THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - Jon Jones Vs Dana White CHAOS & Kamaru Usman is BACK!!

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - Jon Jones Vs Dana White CHAOS & Kamaru Usman is BACK!!

Release Date: June 15, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Description: The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers a thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven exploration of the top sports stories of the day. This episode delves into the tumultuous saga between Jon Jones and Dana White, the highly anticipated Canelo vs. Crawford boxing match, debates surrounding modern boxing regulations, and Kamaru Usman's comeback in the UFC.

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1. Jon Jones vs. Dana White Saga

Timestamp: [02:01] – [15:10]

The episode kicks off with Wade discussing the ongoing controversy surrounding Jon Jones and Dana White. As of June 10, 2025, there remains significant uncertainty regarding Jon Jones' future in the UFC's heavyweight division. Wade expresses frustration over the lack of clarity and transparency:

"Doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to anybody outside of a couple things that maybe you could say." ([02:15])

Dana White's recent press conference marks a pivotal moment where he addresses the situation for the first time. According to Wade, Dana White appears perplexed by Jon Jones' contradictory statements about vacating the belt:

"Dana White finally was in front of the media... Jon is completely and utterly ducking Tom Aspitall, and the UFC is letting him get away with it because they're trying to, I guess, make a second attempt at making this fight." ([07:00])

Wade criticizes both Jon Jones and Dana White for their handling of the situation, suggesting that the UFC is prioritizing business interests over resolving the division's chaos. The frustration stems from Jon Jones initially agreeing to fight Tom Aspinall but subsequently backing out, leaving fans and the heavyweight division in limbo.

"You've gotten to the point where he is not willing to cooperate, and instead of taking your belt back from him, you'd rather just do this, leave everybody in suspense." ([06:37])

Dana White's inability to provide concrete answers exacerbates the situation, leading Wade to question the UFC's long-term strategy and its impact on Jones' legacy.

2. Dana White's Press Conference with Ariel Helwani

Timestamp: [06:21] – [15:10]

During Dana White's press conference, moderated by Ariel Helwani, Jon Jones' intentions come under scrutiny. Jon Jones has publicly stated his readiness to vacate the belt:

"He said he doesn't care if you strip him. He would vacate it." ([06:35])

Ariel Helwani probes deeper into whether Jon Jones is genuinely willing to relinquish the title or if he's attempting to evade the fight with Tom Aspinall. Dana White remains non-committal, expressing uncertainty and the need to resolve the situation:

"We'll figure it out." ([07:00])

Wade interprets Dana's responses as a sign of growing frustration and diminishing patience with Jon Jones' inconsistent actions. He anticipates that this ongoing saga could tarnish both Jones' legacy and the UFC's reputation within the heavyweight division.

3. Canelo vs. Crawford Fight Announcement

Timestamp: [15:10] – [26:08]

Shifting focus to boxing, the podcast highlights the official announcement of the monumental fight between Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford, scheduled for September 13th and streamed live on Netflix. Wade emphasizes the significance of this bout, dubbing it "the fight of the century."

"Canelo Crawford, 13th of September in Las Vegas... it's officially happening on September 13th live on Netflix." ([17:59])

Turkey Alishik, representing TKO Boxing, delivers heartfelt thanks during the announcement, underscoring the fight's historic nature. Wade discusses the potential impact of broadcasting such a high-profile match on a streaming platform like Netflix:

"American boxing, especially with Keyshawn Davis last weekend... needs to grow, and this could be a way to potentially do that." ([21:48])

The move to Netflix is lauded as a strategy to make boxing more accessible, combating the high costs traditionally associated with pay-per-view events. Wade anticipates substantial viewership, potentially reaching 20 to 30 million viewers, thereby rejuvenating American interest in boxing.

"This is a massive deal... after that it's free. This is a massive deal." ([20:16])

4. The 'No Running' Debate in Modern Boxing

Timestamp: [26:08] – [74:28]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the debate over the introduction of a "no running" rule in boxing, spearheaded by influencer Showbiz and supported by promoter Turki Alishik.

a. Showbiz's Petition and Rationale

Showbiz, a prominent YouTuber, has advocated for the "no running" rule to curb fighters who prioritize excessive movement over engaging in decisive bouts. He argues that this trend undermines the sport's integrity and diminishes spectator interest:

"The tendency of some fighters to prioritize excessive movement or running over engagement... I am advocating for the introduction of the no running rule to ensure the essence of boxing is preserved." ([26:05])

Wade draws parallels between this situation and basketball's shift towards three-point shooting, suggesting that while technique is vital, overemphasis on certain strategies can detract from the sport's fundamental appeal.

b. Turki Alishik's Support and Industry Impact

Turki Alishik echoes Showbiz's sentiments, emphasizing the need for active participation and discouraging fighters from avoiding engagement. He advocates for penalizing excessive movement similar to how excessive clinching is handled:

"The no running rule would serve to discourage fighters from resorting to constant movement as a strategy to avoid fighting." ([26:05])

Wade discusses the potential implications of such a rule, acknowledging that while it's controversial, it aims to enhance the spectator experience by promoting more dynamic and engaging fights.

"This doesn't mean you can't be defensive as a fighter. It doesn't mean you can't move as a fighter... It's about fighters intentions to avoid fighting." ([72:03])

c. Online Reactions and Wade's Perspective

The proposal has sparked significant online debate, with mixed reactions from the boxing community. Some argue that it restricts fighters' natural defensive strategies, while others support it as a means to make fights more entertaining.

Wade defends the initiative, advocating for a balance between defense and engagement:

"A high level defensive artist is one that not only can make you miss without always completely disengaging from the action, but also can make you miss and make you pay." ([26:05])

He emphasizes that the rule aims to discourage fighters from avoiding meaningful engagement without compromising legitimate defensive techniques.

5. Kamaru Usman's Comeback and UFC Fight Night Atlanta Review

Timestamp: [69:59] – [74:28]

The episode shifts back to Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) with a review of UFC Fight Night in Atlanta, highlighting Kamaru Usman's return to the octagon.

a. Fight Breakdown: Kamaru Usman vs. Joaquin Buckley

Kamaru Usman faces Joaquin Buckley in a five-round main event. Wade provides an in-depth analysis of the fight dynamics:

"Kamaru did just do the best things to win the fight." ([72:03])

Usman's strategy centered on forward movement, takedowns, and ground-and-pound tactics, effectively neutralizing Buckley's striking prowess. Despite Buckley's attempts to defend takedowns and land significant strikes, Usman's superior wrestling and control time dominated the match.

Key moments include Usman's effective use of elbows and continual pressure, leading to Buckley's eventual defeat via technical decision.

"His control time, his elbows, his punches, his maneuvering, his experience and his ability won him this fight." ([73:41])

b. Kamaru Usman's Legacy and Future Prospects

Wade reflects on Usman's career, acknowledging his status as one of the greatest 170-pound fighters of all time. Despite recent setbacks, Usman's performance in Atlanta reaffirms his enduring prowess and potential for further accolades.

"Kamaru Usman is not your regular UFC fighter. He's one of the greatest 170 pound fighters that's ever lived." ([72:03])

He expresses optimism about Usman's future endeavors, suggesting that Usman's dedication and skill will keep him relevant and competitive in the division.

c. Dana White's Remarks and Community Reactions

Post-fight, Dana White commends Usman's performance, highlighting his resilience and star power. Wade notes the broader MMA community's resilience and support for Usman, despite criticisms and challenges.

"That's it. That's all you could really say about that performance." ([74:24])

6. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Wade wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage in respectful debates about the discussed topics, emphasizing a collective passion for improving the sports of boxing and MMA.

"We can all do better. That's what I think though. You guys let me know in the comments where I get it wrong and let the debate continue respectfully, please, on all sides..." ([73:28])

He reiterates the importance of evolving sports strategies to maintain spectator interest while preserving the integrity and essence of boxing and MMA.

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Notable Quotes:

• Wade: "Jon is completely and utterly ducking Tom Aspitall, and the UFC is letting him get away with it because they're trying to, I guess, make a second attempt at making this fight." ([07:00])

• Dana White: "He said he doesn't care if you strip him. He would vacate it." ([06:35])

• Showbiz: "The tendency of some fighters to prioritize excessive movement or running over engagement... I am advocating for the introduction of the no running rule to ensure the essence of boxing is preserved." ([26:05])

• Turki Alishik: "The no running rule would serve to discourage fighters from resorting to constant movement as a strategy to avoid fighting." ([26:05])

• Wade: "A high level defensive artist is one that not only can make you miss without always completely disengaging from the action, but also can make you miss and make you pay." ([26:05])

• Wade: "Kamaru Usman is not your regular UFC fighter. He's one of the greatest 170 pound fighters that's ever lived." ([72:03])

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This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd intricately navigates through pivotal moments in both boxing and MMA, offering listeners a comprehensive analysis of current controversies, upcoming major events, and evolving sports regulations. With insightful commentary and critical perspectives, Wade effectively highlights the dynamic nature of combat sports and the continuous efforts to enhance their appeal and integrity.

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[Wade]

The Jon Jones saga continues and I just. I don't understand. Doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to anybody outside of a couple things that maybe you could say. But as of today, June 10, 2025, we still have. I don't want to say no answers, relatively no answers on Jon Jones and his whereabouts and where he will be as far as the UFC is concerned in their Heavy division, the most important division in combat sports. There is some. Some developments. They don't really answer any questions, but Dana White finally was in front of the media, so this is the first time we've heard him speak about the whole Jon Jones situation and what's going on with what happens next with Jones, what happens next with the heavyweight division, and some things that even Ariel Hawani is saying. And by the way, I've seen this recently, and I'm kind of just like, what. What has happened to people online. There's this, like, lack of trust in Ariel Hawani's reporting when he breaks news or when he says things that are happening behind the scene eventually will come out. I don't know where people are like, oh, I can't trust Ariel. I can't. I can't trust Ariel anymore. Like, if you don't like Ariel's opinions on things, because he does from time to time offer opinions that aren't based on reporting. They're. Or they're not based on his reporting. They're just based on the way he sees a fighter or the way he sees a fight, whatever. But when Ariel reports stuff, it's pretty much dead accurate. I don't. I don't remember the last time Ariel missed a big store. I really don't get it. Like, you don't. You don't have to like Ariel. I personally do. He's a good friend of mine, I would say. And this week, he had this to say, I guess, on his show, that Jon Jones. Because we all asked the question, you know, is Jon Jones running from Tom Aspinall? Is the UFC just not making the fight? Apparently it's not what John has been saying in the public, that the UFC knows his stance and they can strip him if. If they want that, that he's willing to vacate, that he has no problem getting rid of the belt, that this thing is already said and done. Because that seems to not be the case. According to Ariel Helwani, Jon Jones had initially agreed to fight Tom Aspinall, then went back on his word and backed out of the fight. Quote, Dana White said, jon Jones was offered the deal and accepted the deal. The problem is he didn't tell you the whole story. He didn't tell you how he went back on his word. Eventually, that part will come out. So this, to me, changes a lot of things from it just being the UFC's not doing their job, not doing their job. And again, I'm still on that bandwagon. The UFC needs to do something about this. But this is a clear duck at this point. Point blank, period. There is no other way to say it. John is completely and utterly ducking Tom Aspitall, and the UFC is letting him get away with it because they're trying to, I guess, make a second attempt at making this fight. But if you've already met the man's demand and he says yes, then says no, what else is there to say? What else is there to. To. To even go back and forth with? It's over. You've gotten to the point where he is not willing to cooperate, and instead of taking your belt back from him, you'd rather just do this, leave everybody in suspense. And again, you could say, yes, Wade, it's because of the 2026 TV rights deal. And, yeah, okay, that's fine. But when they get a new deal, are they going to give John more money? Is that what the thinking is? Because let's say they get the new deal, then they strip John. What was the point the entire time? John's name is going to probably drive up the deal to some degree, but enough to completely stall your heavyweight division for two years. It's easy, just take the belt off him. But the, like. The more incredible part is how. I don't even know how to describe aloof Dana White seems to the whole thing like he's just like, bizarrely surprised by what's been going on with Jon Jones. This will start to affect his legacy now. Now you get to the point where you start to tarnish things because you had an opportunity to just say no, and I want to go out the way I went out with my win over Stipe and having the two belts and all of that, and your legacy's fine. Or you had the opportunity to play your game with the UFC, ask for your 10 to 20 to 30 million, see if they'd buy, and then ultimately, if they did, we have the fight. But when you say, yes, okay, that's the number I want, I'm ready to go. And then say, you know what? Never mind. That starts to me, it just is like, okay, you clearly are either scared or you don't like this fight. It's hard to start seeing you as, or I guess keep seeing you as the goat when you don't want to fight yet you don't want to give the belt up anyway. Here's Dana press conference Saturday night after UFC316 talking about the fight.

[Dana White]

I want to ask you about something else outside of tonight. It's a conversation we've had many times now. The Tom Aspinall, Jon Jones fight. It's a bit different now. Right. Because Jon's been tweeting a lot about the fact that he's told you his plans, he's ready to vacate the belt and all the rest of it.

[Ariel Helwani]

He said he's ready to vacate the bar.

[Dana White]

He said he doesn't care if you strip him. He would vacate it.

[Ariel Helwani]

Crazy. Yeah, I've been busy. I haven't been keeping up with the gossip. He comes back. He's either back today or came back yesterday or whenever he, you know, he's in Thailand, so he's home. We'll be home tonight and Tuesday. We'll figure this out.

[Wade]

It is Tuesday. We better figure it out. Here's the other thing. Dana just seemed baffled by the fact that John has come out and said, oh, yeah, they can strip me if they want. I'll vacate it. They can strip me, I'll vacate it. That's not a guy that seems like he has heard the same thing behind the scenes. He's like, oh, that's crazy. Now, he could be lying about the whole, oh, well, I didn't. I didn't see any of that stuff online or whatever. But that was a genuine reaction. Like, what the. That's not what we've been hearing. That's what I got out of that. And this is where I think Dana starts to turn on Jon Jones a little bit. Not turn on Jon Jones, because that's a whole different conversation. I mean, flip the script on Jon Jones, because it seems to me like this is becoming not just for the fans, not just for the media, not just for the division, but for the promotion. A headache. Like, more than it's worth to deal with. Like, they're on their last legs of saying, all right, man, we're really trying to make this. This fight with Jon, but even we're getting fed up with this, because that doesn't seem like the same answer he has gotten from Jon Jones because he.

[Dana White]

Also called out Francis Ngannou. He said he'd rather fight Francis, which I see.

[Ariel Helwani]

Who did?

[Dana White]

John.

[Ariel Helwani]

Yeah.

[Dana White]

Okay. Not that interested in that then. But if he doesn't fight Tom Aspinall and he does walk away, do you think he's ducked him? Would you?

[Ariel Helwani]

Tom Aspinall is the guy. He's the guy. I don't know. Yeah, we'll have to see how this play. Listen, if the guy wants to retire and doesn't want to fight, nothing you do. I didn't want Habib to retire. I didn't want. I thought DC should have stayed in longer. So it's. It's. It's none of my business. I'll do what I can to make the fight, if we can. If, you know, if he's talking that crazy shit. I didn't realize that.

[Dana White]

Yeah.

[Wade]

Again, I'm a little baffled now. I know that Dana just can't keep track of Jon in all instances. You would think that he has people that would let him know where things are going or let him know what's being said on the Internet versus what's being said behind the scenes. The point is there's clearly some miscommunication going on. Clearly. And it seems like it's from the side of Jon Jones. Shocking, I know. But again, you hear the way Dana's responding to this. It's not like, let me just play down the question and move on. There's parts of that, but it's also like a frustration level growing as these questions or as these quotes from Jon Jones keep coming out. You hear him right there? Well, if he's talking that crazy shit, then, yeah. I don't know. This is something that's clearly, again, to me, the UFC has taken a stance now. They're like, listen, we're getting tired of this. That's what I hear when I. When I listen to Dana White, outside of the croaky voice and all that.

[Dana White]

Last one on this. I remember the time when GSP announced he was walking away after the Johnny Hendrix fight. And you said he owes it to the belt and the company to at least defend it against the guy that fight for it. Do you think that's kind of the same here with John?

[Ariel Helwani]

Yeah. Yeah. But John's been. John's been John since he walked in the door here.

[Wade]

And, yeah, by the way, Oscar stuck it on him. Holy shit. This is something I said in my video a couple of weeks back about how Dana reacted to George St. Pierre potentially floating the idea of retirement right after the Johnny Hendrick fight and how he's approached or how the UFC's approached, approach this. This talk with Jon Jones been completely different.

[Ariel Helwani]

Jon's been John since he walked in the door here.

[Wade]

That doesn't mean anything, by the way. All Dana means when he says that is that John's tough to deal with, whereas gsp, he could probably snap his fingers. And gsp, because he was a good guy and a company man, would oblige. Dana knows that John is tough to deal with. And oddly enough, Dana's always had a soft spot for John. Even when John was the biggest up in UFC history as a champion, Dana still would have allowances. And he's. Honestly, again, because John's the greatest of all time. He's had some of those allowances with Conor McGregor. Not that they're on the same level, but Conor throws the dolly through a bus window, gets arrested, they make the fight. We all wanted to see it, so it happened.

[Ariel Helwani]

And, yeah, I was younger then. Really doesn't go the way you would like it to go all the time.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Dinner.

[Wade]

What did you make of younger than. And the relationship doesn't go the way you want it to all the time. No idea what that means. All that tells me is that Dana's, like, lost his fastball as he's gotten older. That's what it tells me. I was younger then. Like, it's not wisdom to not put your sport above people playing around with your belts. That's not wisdom. You know, I'm saying Dana being like, well, I'm older now, and I get the. He does get the business better than I do. But what does that mean, you gotten older, and by virtue of the wisdom you've gained, you're just letting John run amok in your heavyweight division. I want younger Dana. If that's the case, I want the Dana that's going to go. Listen, you're running around with our belt. That's the UFC's belt. And if you're not going to defend it, it's step up or step aside. It's really simple. We appreciate you for being the goat. We appreciate you for doing what you did. We don't need you. And that's the reality, is they don't need John. So, yeah, okay, the fight would be great if Tom and John could get on board. Maybe you don't want to bury that relationship for the fact that potentially John could turn around and say, yes, but at what point. At what point do you start looking like actual clowns? And we're past that. I wonder, is there anything that PFL or Francis could do to make that a realistic option for you guys, or are you fully focused on. On Aspinall?

[Ariel Helwani]

Yeah, it's Aspinall's fight. I mean, we've been talking to this kid forever about it, and it's his fight. Listen, you can't make people fight. If John doesn't want to fight, we can try to make him fight. We can throw things at him that inspire him to want to fight. But we'll figure it out.

[Wade]

I mean, number one, no, Dana is not going to Do a deal with the PFL and Don Day. Did you guys see. And this is one of the dumbest things I think I've ever seen out of a promoter. Not because, you know, it's just tacky to do, but just because it's insane to think this is how you should deal with Dana White, who clearly already does not. Dis. Does not respect the PFL shits on them. And you expect this to be a serious thing. Don Davis came out when Francis was going back and forth with Jon, and Francis still signed with the pfl. Don Davis decided he was going to make a proposal. Winner take all. Yeah, this sounds great. Sure. It's never going to happen. Why in the. Would the UFC ever do that? 100% of the profits go to the PFL if Francis wins. 100% of the profits go to the UFC if John wins. This is not what serious people do. The UFC has. And again, I'm not trying to be a bootlick or whatever, but the UFC has no reason to work with the pfl. All they have to do is wait the PFL out. That's all they have to do until they eventually either go under or lose their funding or whatever else that happens. Because the PFL is not in good shape. Then. Yeah, it was kind of crazy how. How much interest John showed in the Francis Aganu fight. Like, there was some. Some tweets going back and forth. What would happen if he came to you and says, like, I'll fight, but I won't fight Aspinall. I would fight Ngannou. Would you even be interested in that, or.

[Ariel Helwani]

No, I don't have Ngannou under track contract, and Aspinall is the guy.

[Wade]

Right. If you were put in the position, would you maybe try to get Ngannou back under contract or. No?

[Ariel Helwani]

Probably not.

[Wade]

Yeah, understood. In other words, he looks at the PFL like a fucking joke because they have treated themselves that way for a very long time. He's not going to promote a fight that he doesn't have a fighter under contract for, unless it's in a promotion that he doesn't necessarily run, like boxing. And also, Tom is the guy. These are all good things to hear from Dana, but then if Tom's the guy and Jon has the belt, either make the fight or make Tom the guy for real. Not just out of. Not this lip service. You need to make him the guy for real. Yeah. One more thing on just. Jon, I know you said you can't make him fight Tom, and it's ultimately up to him. I Know, you've basically been on every wave in this sport. In your heart. Do you believe that this is just the, the process or is it ultimately you'll get him to fight in.

[Ariel Helwani]

It's definitely the process with Jon Jones. Been going through this since the day he started here and it's. Yeah, it's definitely the process.

[Wade]

Do you believe it will happen though?

[Ariel Helwani]

Him and Anderson Silva, every time, you know, throughout the history of being in business with those guys, when it comes time to get them fight, it's like dealing with artists. Jon Jones agreed to do the fight. So Jon Jones was offered the deal and accepted the deal.

[Wade]

How does Jon accepting the deal, accepting the fight, and then turning his back on the entire thing? When he gave you his word and he's not doing it, how does that make you feel better about the fight happening? How does that make you feel like it's going to happen? I get it. John's a tough guy to negotiate with and he plays games and negotiations and you're dealing with an artist. At a certain point, it's just game. But there's just. There's always been problems with Jon. But this one's unique in the fact that Jon is saying he will make the fight happen and then not make it happen whilst also not making any effort to actually get a fight done. Like this is insane. It's. It. It's over to me. But Dana's still holding out hope. Again. The only thing I can see is that what's being left unsaid here is the, the, the TV rights deal. I don't know why no one asks him about that. Like, the media did a good job here of really sticking it on Dana and really asking him some tough questions. But why is no one asking about that? Like, okay, Dana, what is it that you're waiting on? Is it the TV rights deal? He might not. He would find a way to probably skate around that answer, but I think that's. That's the one thing that's not being asked, and I don't know why. We got some answers there. Apparently, John, did you know, say yes to a deal and then completely reverse position and turned it down, which is why you need to strip him of his UFC belt. At this point, it's fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Dana, you're doing it to yourself for short term potential gain and long term potential loss. I think it's going to be of detriment more than it's going to help because I don't think Jon is Coming back. But what happens with Jon Jones and Dana White in the UFC in this Tom Aspinall situation? Will he. Won't he fight? We're all tired of it, but the news keeps slowly, painstakingly, slowly rolling in. We have some new information, but really nothing new to go off of as far as the fight actually happening. Do I think it will? No. And I think it's time to move on from Jon Jones, but that's just my opinion. What happens next? Guess we'll find out. Today we have some breaking news in the boxing realm. We had heard rumors about it. We'd even heard, you know, what, somewhat unofficial announcements about it. But Canelo vs Crawford is now official, ladies and gentlemen, it's officially happening on September 13th live on Netflix. This one is a banger. They're calling it the fight of the century. It's definitely the biggest fight in boxing right now, and I am so pumped for this thing. Now we're going to get into the minutia of it and all the stuff that's going to be happening and all the press conferences and everything else that's planned around it. But before we do, let's go to he himself, the big. He had a message about this fight. We're going to take a look and see what Turkey Alishik is saying with this official announcement.

[Turkey Alishik]

Canelo Crawford, 13th of September in Las Vegas. Thank you for everyone. Thank you, Canelo. Thank you, Crawford. Thank you, Netflix.

[Wade]

Thank you, Wade. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe thanks. Thanks to Wade. I don't know. I was here. I didn't get a thank you. Come on. He. You're right. I didn't have anything to do with this. We continue.

[Turkey Alishik]

Thank you, Bella. Thank you all, your team and Netflix. Thank you, Nikhan tko. Thank you, Dana. My brother, who he. He will promote this fight with me. Thank you for.

[Wade]

Okay, before we. I love Turkey, man. Look at this pose. It's amazing. So before we go on. Yeah. A lot of people had had some. Some thoughts about potentially Dana White and Turkey not promoting this together because Dana White's name was not on one of the recent press releases, but I didn't think that he was. I didn't have any inside sources, but I didn't think that that was the case. I figured if Dana had signed his name onto something and that Riyadh season was going to be doing this deal with TKO to make. You know, they haven't really named it yet, but TKO Boxing, whatever that's going to be, that they were going to follow through with, is Interesting, though, because Dana White will have a hand in promoting two major combat sports events on the same day. And I don't think that they cancel out business the way that everybody else thinks that they potentially will. I think people put too much stock into people picking and choosing. This may happen, but with Netflix being involved, and because boxing audiences are far different from MMA audiences, you can look at my channel and see that, like, it's not. They're not the same audience. Most people that enjoy MMA watch mma. Most people that enjoy boxing watch boxing in. The crossover between the two is very minimal. Honestly, the crossover between the two might be the Jake Paul fights, you know, the, The. The crossover boxing fights, but this one will have mainstream appeal. I do think that it being on Netflix is going to help, which is why I think Dana was more on board to do it, because two pay per view events running against each other doesn't hurt his pockets, but it may potentially get in the way of business for somebody. This one and UFC317 I don't think are going to really. They may overlap time wise, but they're not going to really do much as far as running into each other.

[Turkey Alishik]

Thank you for everyone. Thank you, Canelo.

[Wade]

Thank you, Crawford from your city.

[Turkey Alishik]

Thank you, Netflix.

[Wade]

Yeah, Canelo Crawford will be free because, yes, you'll need Netflix to watch, but this is the same playbook that Jake and Mike Tyson used on Netflix. I think it's a good idea. There's gonna be a ton of eyes on it. That's why I said it's the biggest boxing event of the year. American audience, I think, desperately need, because right now, American boxing, especially with that with Keyshawn Davis last weekend, we have, you know, younger guys like Abdullah Mason, we have Emiliano Vargas, we have those guys, Richard Torres. But American fandom in boxing right now needs to grow, and this could be a way to potentially do that. The buffering issue, we'll see. I think that that was a first event thing, but then again, I think the NFL might have had some issues with it as well. But I think the Netflix platform is such a good one for people that are on the fence about buying a boxing pay per view. And let's be honest, for years, boxing cards have been astronomically priced for pay per view. The UFC does it too now. But there are some of those fights that just aren't worth pay per view. Like, they're not worth the amount of money charged. And I'm not singling out any fight or fight promoter, but it's just in general, sometimes they are way too overpriced here and in other countries, it's a lot cheaper. So for this, this is a big deal for American audiences who are used to paying 50, 60, $70 to watch a fight to now get that fight for, you know, whatever it is, your Netflix subscription, $10, $15 a month, but you're not paying anything on top of that. Essentially, after that it's free. This is a massive deal.

[Turkey Alishik]

The Ring magazine.

[Wade]

Thank you, Wade.

[Turkey Alishik]

Thank you for everyone. This is the biggest fight in boxing and in history in the last 10 years and maybe more. Thank you. Shefford from the team of Canelo. Thank you.

[Wade]

Is this the biggest boxing fight in the last 10 years? I mean, again, if you take away Jake and Mike Tyson, which numbers wise is not going to be beat, probably. I mean, the numbers they're going to get on Netflix are going to be huge. If they surpass Jake and Mike, that would be insane. I don't know though. I don't know that they're going to get there. But what they can do is surpass pretty much every other number. They're going to surpass Eubank, Ben, they're going to surpass any of that. Maybe not. When was Connor and Floyd? We're coming up right at the end of that Connor, Floyd thing. Floyd and Manny was before that. But of the last decade, this will probably be the biggest one. And the reason that you put Manny and Floyd and Connor and Floyd in there is because their numbers were behind the pay per view wall. Right? Like, you can't really compare numbers on Netflix to the amount of numbers they drew on pay per view. That was crazy. But they certainly will do. I mean, I don't want to put a number out there and be wrong, but I'd be surprised if they didn't do at least like 10, 20, maybe 30 million. Right? I think you could, I think you could definitely get 20 to 30 million people to watch this.

[Turkey Alishik]

And this is very good opportunity for the talent in boxing. We will make the undercard, all the undercard about talent because we have the biggest fight. We don't need big fight in the undercard for that. We will give the chance for the talent. If you think you are ready to be in the undercard of Canelo Crawford, come talk with us.

[Wade]

That's it. Me and Aaron the plumber undercard. Let's go, dude. Okay, so realistically, this is an interesting, like jokes aside, this is an interesting take from Turkey. He's like, we don't need to sell this fight anymore because the headliner Sell it. We just want talent. Now the question I guess I would have is where does the intersection between talent and hype differentiate for Turkey? Because he has a bunch of ring ambassadors, right? He has Moses Atoma, he has Abdullah Mason, he has Keyshawn Davis, he has a lot of these guys. Shakur Stevenson, which is, you know, probably going to be a little bit of a tight window for Shakur, but you never know. There's. There has to be a way to get talented guys that potentially can be stars on that card. I think Abdullah Mason should be on that card card. He's super talented. I'm, I'm also a fan of Emiliano Vargas. You guys know this. He. That would be great. I don't know if he has something going on with, with the ring or not, but Moses Atama is fighting very soon, I think in the middle of July again. Bam. Rodriguez, sure for I'm down with it. But I guess what he's trying to say is we want talent to expose the talent to new boxing fans. But at the same time, the most talented people are the, the, you know, fighters on the rise as it is. But I like, I don't mind prioritizing talent on the undercard because you're trying to use this card to build interest not only in, you know, the sport, but also in some of these fighters that don't have the name Canelo has, right? You're building interest in the main event just by it being the main event. But the fighters themselves that are, you know, and they're, they're rise to the belts or just got a belt or whatever they can definitely use from this exposure. And again, the only thing we have to compare it to is the Jake Paul Mike Tyson card. And some of the fighters on there have massive benefits from being there, like Katie Taylor, Amanda Serrano already were big names by the time they were the co main event, but they had 50 million people watch them. 60 million, whatever it was in that co main. Mario Barrios, even though he didn't have a great performance on that card, he's getting Manny Pacquiao in his next fight, right? He's still that he's the champ. I think it was a draw that he had on that car. But get a Manny Pacquiao fight after being on that, you know, name value, talent, there has to be somewhere in the middle. But again, it's just mostly because the talented guys are the ones rising in the sport and creating a name for themselves as it. I think what Turkey is saying is like, we don't need Anthony Joshua on the card, right? We don't need Tyson Fury on the, we don't need like some of these higher level to the casual audience, big names on this card. We want the younger talent to come through.

[Turkey Alishik]

Thank you and see you in Vegas. 13 September.

[Wade]

Inshallah, there we go. September 13, you will see big he, Dana White and of course, that absolutely stacked main event. Speaking of Dana White, here's what he had to say on the announcement. Quote, Turk Yellow Shake wants to make the biggest fights that fans want to see in boxing. And this is right up my alley. Are you kidding me? That the first boxing fight I'm going to promote is Canelo versus Crawford. It's literally a once in a lifetime fight. Live on Saturday, September 13, streaming globally on Netflix, two of the greatest boxers in the sport will meet in an historic fight from Las Vegas. Now, this was originally supposed to be a Friday fight and Netflix does do a lot of Friday events. I think it's probably because they have, you know, American sports that they run up against on Saturdays, but this one is different. They're gonna do it on a Saturday. And I have a feeling that's because of a couple of different factors. Number one being Canelo is a Saturday fighter and he wants his fans to be able to see him. And he is the big draw of this card. Let's be honest. He is the biggest, the biggest draw probably outside of, you know, Anthony Joshua in the UK or Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury in the uk, he's probably the biggest draw in boxing. He's going to have some say. And I think that probably he was like, I'm not doing this Friday thing where my fans can't come out. We're doing it on Saturday. So that's Dana White's thoughts on it. I am super interested to see Dana in boxing and how that whole thing is going to go. Another big update that we got today as well from the Ring magazine is that this will be a three press conference tour right at the end of June here, essentially all in the span of one week from Friday to Friday. We have three press conferences for Canelo and Terence Crawford. Three different cities. One will be in Riyadh, one will be in New York, and one will be in Las Vegas in the T Mobile arena now. Oh, this one's at Fanatics Fest too. Ooh, okay, I like this. I like this. Fanatics Festival in New York. This is where again, Jake and Mike Tyson did their press conference. And it was rowdy up in there, right? New York's Always got some rowdy fans. I hope that all of these, I don't know how the Riyadh one's going to go, but I hope that most of these at least are in front of fans. Not that these guys have like generational beef and that they're, you know, either of them are massive talkers. But you want some juice, you want some energy for this, right? I think you want a little energy. So putting it in front of fans at Fanatics Fest, that's good. And the T Mobile, that's more location than anything else. So that's more information. But we actually have the official article, the official news bulletin. Drop this was dropped three hours ago. Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford lands on Netflix Vegas to host a super fight. Now, something I'm not seeing so far is a venue, right? We know the date, we know the city, but we don't have the venue yet. And I think speculating, because I don't have the answer, guess we'll find out. But I think it's because they're trying to negotiate or trying to find a way to get Allegiant Stadium. I have to think that, although I don't know what, if anything's going on in T Mobile arena on that day. If they try to get the sphere, I mean. Sure, that too. Part of me though wants to have it in a, in a, in a traditional boxing setting, you know, I don't know. Part of me just wants it to be in T Mobile. The Terrence Crawford. The Canelo Al vs Terrence Crawford super fight for the ring and undisputed super middleweight championship will take place September 13th in Las Vegas. Be streamed globally on Netflix at no additional cost to the 300 million plus subscribers. Yeah, if they hit 30 million to 60 million people watching this, that would be a massive number. Alvarez is boxing's top star. Will defend his 168 pound crown against Crawford. A fellow future hall of famer will climb two weight classes for the biggest challenge of his career. Again, I've talked about this. I don't think that the weight is going to be that big a difference. Maybe Terrence fighting at that weight will make a difference to him personally. Right. Like it's just not going to feel the same or it's going to be a little bit to maneuver. But Canelo is not like Canelo. Size does not scare me if, if, if I'm a Terrence Crawford fan because I've seen both of them during fight weeks and out of fight weeks and there isn't much of a size Difference there. Terrence looks maybe even like bigger frame wise. Alvarez is the Ring's number eight pound for pound boxer and owns the Ring magazine championship at 168lbs. This will be the Mexican icon's 10th defense of his Ring Magazine super middleweight championship. Quote I'm super happy to be making history again and this time on a Riyadh season card that will be broadcast on Netflix. Said Alvarez, 34, Jesus Canelo is only two years older than me. I have done nothing in life. My goodness. On September 13th, I am ready to show once again that I am the best pound for pound fighter in the world. And then we had a quote it looks like from Terence Crawford. He says my perfect record speaks for itself. I'm the best fighter in the world and no matter the opponent or weight class, I always come out on top of. Crawford said on September 13 My hand will be raised once again as the world watches greatness. Okay, so yeah, again we just, we don't have the one thing which is the place right the, the actual location of the bout. That's the only thing really missing at the moment. But other than that, I listen, I love this fight. Obviously David Benavidez right now is the fight I think in a lot of people would, you know, in a pie in the sky scenario want to see. But I love this fight. I'm not going to complain about it because it is two of the best in the world going at it. And yes, weight class is a little bit different for Terence Crawford, but he's not fighting what I would consider to be a normal 168 pound fighter. Canelo is not that right. Canelo has moved up multiple weight classes to get to 168. So they're really, I mean, when you, again, you look at him standing toe to toe here, you don't see a massive size difference for Canelo. In fact, you kind of see the opposite. Wade, how do you see the fight playing out? Right now? I'm leaning Terence Crawford. Crawford. I'm leaning Terence Crawford right now. Not just based on Canelo's last performance, but based on Canelo over the last few years. If I'm being honest, I just, I haven't seen the Canelo of the entry into 160 that was able to be defensive while being in front of you, that was able to not just throw power punches, but his jab was there. He was able to set things up. And again, he's done that. But it's just the punchline, no pun intended, hasn't been there for Canelo. Sure he dropped Berlanga, but he wasn't able to stop him. Dropped Munguia, wasn't able to stop him. And maybe those are in, in retrospect, good wins, but I don't know. I think he's going to need a little more than just the power punching to beat Terence Crawford. All right, so we are back on the way concept presented by the Ring magazine and today I saw a very interesting debate going on and it all stems from modern boxing. Right? What do people say is the biggest problem with modern box? Maybe some people would say up until recently we don't get the fights we want to see. Or maybe some people would say modern boxing has favored fighters that look to win on the judges scorecard versus go out and win a fight. Win a match versus win a fight. Now I don't think that's as black and white as the statement I just made. I think there's a lot of gray area in there. And because of recent performances like Times Square with Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, Ryan Garcia, Canelo Alvarez, William Skoll and others, there has been a little frustration in the way fights are going and the way fights potentially can go and how to fix fights that are considered boring or fighters that are considered runners or match winners, not fight winners. And recently even another YouTuber named Showbiz the Adult shout out. My brother has introduced the no running rule in his opinion to stop some of the lackluster performances in boxing guys that are again trying to win on the cards, not trying to win a fight. And today Ricky Ella Sheikh laid down the hammer. He said no more running will be permitted on his events and the Internet kind of lost their minds. But I think he might have been taken out of context a little bit. And I understand how this is going to sound because I'm working with the ring, but also I kind of agree with him and showbiz and I'll explain why the breakdown. All right, so let's go back to where this all started. Showbiz the Adult after the performances, I assume of Devin Haney, of Ryan Garcia and of William Skoll over what should have been one of the biggest weekends for boxing in modern history turned out to be one of the more lackluster and kind of wet fart performance wise weekends of boxing. Shout out to Inoue for saving the weekend. It was just last month that all this happened, but showbiz had enough of it and he implemented something called the no run rule or at least a petition to change.org to potentially change the sports of Boxing through the no run rule. And listen, I'm sure that the Internet has already let showbiz hear it about how running is not what Devin Haney was doing or running is implemented in the sport of boxing because two guys standing in the middle and trading blows in a gladiatorial fashion isn't necessarily the sweet science. But I do think the sweet science has been bastardized a little bit to mean something that it never was supposed to mean. And we'll get into that. But at the end of the day, this is one man's opinion in showbiz and I think it's a good one. But you don't have to agree with it. No need to go after him or anybody else as a casual of boxing or don't know what they're talking, none of that stuff. Because let me tell you, showbiz more than most people in the sport of boxing that have a platform, including myself, knows the sport inside and out and the history of it. So let's take a look at this. I just wanted to put that out there because let's all just relax a little bit bit. Let's just engage in the conversation. Everybody's passionate. The people especially that are the hardcore boxing fans, we know you're passionate, but let's just engage in the conversation without getting personal with it. Here is the issue. He says, I've been passionate about boxing for years and as a devoted fan and now as a contributor to the sport, the thrill of seeing two fighters engage in a battle of skill, strength and strategy is unmatched. But recently an issue has overshadowed this excitement. The tendency of some fighters to prioritize excessive movement or running over engagement. This is why I am advocating for the introduction of the no running rule to ensure the essence of boxing is preserved. Now just off the first paragraph, Showbiz is specifically talking about running. Now when he says the prioritization of excessive movement, I consider that, yes, running. But I also consider it strategy to win a fight by winning on the Marcus of Queensberry rule set or on the judges scorecard. The sweet science as now it's been referred to. The problem that I see with boxing right now, much like in basketball when Steph Curry decided he was going to pull three pointers from 35ft and he could do it and it was effective and he was consistent, he changed the game of basketball, honestly, in my opinion, for the worst. Because now guys that aren't Steph Curry, even though they can be great quality shooters and spurts, and even though teams like the Celtics hit A bunch of threes. From time to time, the NBA has foregone a more fluid game of basketball. A game that includes both short range, mid range, three point range and defensive presence, along with a big man. I could go on, in lieu of essentially putting four players, maybe even five on the floor that can potentially in some cases shoot the three and jacking up about 50 to 60 of them. Again, what does this discussion have to do with boxing? The same principle almost lies true with some of the greatest fighters that could do everything, but chose in certain instances to do the thing that we now call running or the thing in their version or in their way that they could get away with that other fighters can't. It's much like we talk about Floyd Mayweather protecting the o, right, the 50 and O mark for Floyd, and how fighters want to move like Floyd did because he changed the sport. He also in some ways changed the sport in the ring. And not to say that Floyd was the first person to box on the back foot and look to move laterally to win fights when his hands broke. And he was not as sure of a puncher moving up in weight. Other fighters did that as well. Muhammad Ali, for example, yeah, he had performances where he was a lateral mover, or, you know, the George Foreman performance where he just took a beating on the ropes, but, you know, fought very defensively. There's been other fighters throughout the history. Sugar Ray Leonard and the Marvin Agler fight was very much lateral movement. But that's, that's the greatest of the great of all time. And they did it in spurts, not entire performances, entire careers made off of fighting that way. This is kind of what I mean when I say the greats sometimes did things so well that it spoiled other fighters into thinking that was the specific way to fight. Now, again, you can't really tell people how to fight, but I think the point that showbiz is making here is somewhere along the lines, fighters saw that this was a easier way to win fights, stay safe, make money, and continue to move forward in their careers. And I guess you can't really blame them when it's allowed to happen. But as spectators of the sport, as fans of the sport, it made the sport less interesting to watch. And make no mistake about it, whether we want to call boxing the sweet science or not, this is a spectator sport. And you can be damn sure that people do tune in to watch fighters fight each other. They don't tune in most of the time to watch a stalemate. And even someone like Guillermo Rigonda who was a defensive master, didn't have a lot of fans that would tune into a bunch of TVs. In fact, he was kind of blackballed off TV, off pay per view at least because his style was just not interesting for people to watch. It was a defensive boxing presence of the highest order, but it just wasn't conducive to building a fan base, to building the sport. It worked for him, but again, as an exception to kind of what the sport is meant to be, which is, yeah, a fight. Boxing is not just about hitting and avoiding punches. Thank you. It is a testament to the courage and tenacity of its athletes. However, many consecutive rounds of excessive avoidance of engagement undermines these qualities and affects the sport's integrity. Quote, the no running rule would serve to discourage fighters from resorting to constant movement as a strategy to avoid fighting. This rule would allow referees to deduct points for excessive movement with the intentions to avoid engaging instead of fighting, similar to the penalties given for excessive clinching. So showbiz here is advocating for an actual rule set to be developed where fighters are discouraged from excessively disengaging from action. This is a little bit controversial, to be honest, but there is warnings about excessive clinching, which is in effect, the 180 degree version of the no running rule is, as it were, as it's mentioned here. Right. Referees will get upset with you and will warn you and potentially will take a point while calling fights. I've seen this happen before where referees will give, you know, multiple warnings and even sometimes take a point for excessive clinching. Now the question you have to ask is why are they taking those points? And the answer is simple. Fighters are holding on to their opponents so that they don't have to fight, so the other opponent won't hit them and they don't have to hit the opponent. They can rest, they can recover without taking damage. And that's kind of what he's upset about. And providing this whole petition for is the opposite of that, but kind of the same thing. Fighters disengaging from all action and moving laterally without a plan to really engage at all, just simply to avoid taking damage. And in the very small pockets of windows, they can land a punch, they will and continue moving. This does absolutely turn fans that either you want to call them casuals or people that may have an interest in getting into boxing, they turn away from the sport. And it's so easy to see, it's not even close to like watch a fight from the 1960s, 70s, 80s or 90s between again the heavyweights of the 60s and 70s, the middleweights of the 70s and 80s, or the heavyweights of the 90s and go oh yeah, no, this is completely different from the fight we see today, especially in the lower weight classes. I mean watching guys like Wilfredo Gomez and Salvador Sanchez like it's night and day. Different from watching some of the guys in the lower weight class of today's boxing. Again, the simple point is excessive avoidance of fighting in a fight turns fans off to watching what is happening and loses not only that fighter fans, but potentially fans of the sport in general or potential fans of the sport. The objective is clear to maintain the dynamic and engaging nature of boxing. This aligns with existing regulations such as those that penalize excessive clenching and would enhance the spectacular experience by encouraging continued action and engagement in the ring. This is not about diminishing defense or movement to avoid punches, which I like that he said that and we'll get into in just a second. This is about fighters intentions to avoid fighting by prioritizing excessive movement over many rounds of a fight, reducing the expected experience from fans, the fighters careers and the status of the sport. I really like that he included the part about like this doesn't mean I want a war and I want guys to stand with one foot in a tire and just swing until someone falls completely flat on their face on the camp. That's not what showbiz is advocating for. And I think this is where the discussion overall is being lost by pretty much everybody online. But we'll get back to that. But again let's just keep in our minds as we continue to read through this. This doesn't mean you can't be defensive as a fighter. It doesn't mean you can't move as a fighter. Again, this is a frustration by a fan and now contributor to the sport. And I think he speaks for a lot of people when he says that there's an excessive and purposeful avoidance of action from a fighter that just does not want to engage. Not about being defensively sound and then capitalizing. It's about continuously avoiding any sort of interaction with another fighter in lieu of excessively moving and staying away from danger until again you can land a handful of punches per round. That's a boring way to fight and fans know it. I know it, you know it. You can hide behind the, the veil of this is the sweet science. This is, this is what technique is. And sure, okay, you know, by the letter of the law I guess you're right. But it ain't interesting. And it ain't growing. The sport fighting that we keep going. Backing for this initiative comes from the numerous fans and stakeholders who have witnessed. Wait, stakeholders is interesting. Who is he talking about there? I mean, he could have been talking about Turkey right here. Stakeholders, you know, who have witnessed this trend and share concerns about its impact on boxing viewership and appeal. Statistics reveal that boxing viewership tends to drop when matches are perceived as less engaging. True. Ensuring active participation in the ring is in the sport's best interest. I call upon the regulatory bodies to consider this proposal seriously and engage in a meaningful discourse with athletes, referees and fans. Together, we can preserve the vitality and attraction of this historic sport by supporting the implementation of the no running rule. Shout out to Showbiz if you guys want to go sign it. I think the link is in his Twitter or in the subscription of his channel and maybe I'll put it in the description of mine as well. By the way, look at that picture of Showbiz. He kind of looks like. He kind of looks like Ashton hall there. And everybody on the Internet's had their say about that petition. But now he is weighing in and as everybody knows, he's come in and, you know, completely disrupted the sport and is and has done things to bring boxing into a mainstream audience. Once again, not only the Canelo Alvarez Terence Crawford fight happening on Netflix in Las Vegas. We had the Times Square card. We had Usyk and Fury two times. We had Better Bev and Bivol two times. He's making fights people want to see. And now he's agreeing with Showbiz on this specific thing. Maybe not about, you know, how to implement the no running rule if it were a rule, but he agrees that people need to stop doing this. And in fact, he is kind of putting a mandate down today, or I guess yesterday. Now tweeted out, from this point on, I don't want to see any more Tom and Jerry type boxing matches where one fighter is running around the ring and the other is chasing. Maybe he meant to say we can no longer support these kinds of fights with Riyadh season and the ring, we want to support fighters who leave it all in the ring and fight with their heart and pride. And the Internet went crazy. Now, again, I agree with him. Tom and Jerry type of fighting is rough to watch, especially when it's not done with the purpose of finding ways to finish the fight. If there's one fighter that's looking to move forward and one fighter that's consistently just not wanting to engage at all it makes for a boring fight. It just really does. Like if there's a fighter not engaging or moving to set up the engagement, right, sliding laterally to catch an angle or get out of the corner or turn the corner and then reset the action and fight. That's not what he's talking about. He is speaking specifically about fighters that are consistently moving away from the action in lieu of trying to capitalize on a fighter walking forward by engaging them and knocking them out. And there's again a bit of a mixed bag as it will be with the Internet. BJ Flores I agree with Turkey and Antonio Tarver. I agree the new day in boxing. I'm only trained, skilled fighters. You have some people that don't like and still boxing, you can't control how fighters fight to win. We all want a good scrap and unfortunately it's not your gift to decide how a fighter comes to win. Messages like these start to make you a bit controlling make the fights, except might some might be shit. This isn't power Slap. So I mean, that's true. Turkey can't control how people fight. That's 5,000% true. That's never something he's going to be able to do. But again, I don't think this is Turkey trying to control fighting. It is him trying to encourage fighters to fight again, to win fights by fighting, not winning boxing matches, by running or moving laterally excessively, or trying not to engage. Again, we go back to that point, but again, I think people are mistaking what Turkey wants to see. He wants to see offense and defense, but done in a way that fighters can engage in the fight. Defense doesn't mean completely disengaging from your opponent. It can happen in certain points. Again, to reset the action, to reset footwork, to cut an angle, to turn the corner, to get out of the corner, whatever it is. But those are moments in a broader context of trying to hit the opponent while also not being hit. It isn't, at least it shouldn't be, in my opinion. Touch the opponent, hit the opponent once, maybe twice, and then completely get out of dodge until the next time you want to engage the action. Just to do the same cycle over and over and engage in the action is just one or two punches because any more would leave you in the pocket to be countered. So you have to completely disengage defense and boxing, yes, is multifaceted, but a high level defensive artist is one that not only can make you miss without always completely disengaging from the action, but also can make you miss and make you pay. That is the sweet science to me. To me, offensive boxers are only heightened by their defensive ability. A guy like Canelo Alvarez, while yes, his output hasn't been great lately, he's one of the better defensive to offense transition boxers I've ever seen. His ability to make you miss and make you pay is unlike any other. And someone that later in his career might have been faulted for running too much was Floyd Mayweather one of the best forward moving counter punchers there was. He would make you miss in the pocket and hit you with a pull right hand and make you pay. That is what defensive boxing is to me. Your offense is heightened by your defense. If you're able to make someone miss and then counter them, the punch impact increases, your ability to land flush increases, the damage increases, you get more entertaining fights, and so on and so on. But for the people that say that Turkey can't control how fights happen, they're right, he can't. What he can do is discourage a certain type of fighting by partnering with fighters that share the same vision. Fighters that want to fight, people have to get out of their mind that, I mean, let's just be honest, the Devin Haney style of fighting in the, in the Jose Ramirez fight is what defensive boxing at its highest level looks like. It's not. What makes for a great fighter is to have that in their bag if things aren't going their way, if they need to reset the fight, but also to be offensively dangerous and defensively responsible in the pocket. But we're talking about a select few fighters, and those select few fighters, some of them have been considered the best in the world while fighting a very timid style. And it makes them not pay per view friendly, it makes them not entertaining for fans and unfortunately for them puts them in a position where they're not big stars and really no one is paying attention when they fight. So yeah, I don't know, it's just that their careers become this here today, gone tomorrow kind of surface level. Well, hey, yeah, that guy fought, I guess. But no one's really resonating with that. No one's eager to see it. In fact, most of the time they're just eager to see someone get knocked out because they hate the way they fight. But again, I just, I think that people are really focusing on this point that Turkey is saying, I don't want runners. Which to them means that Turkey is saying, I want people to stand in the middle of the ring and swing it out until someone hits the Canvas, which is not true. Lomachenko just retired, had insane footwork and movement in the pocket. You didn't see Lomachenko moving backward a ton. You saw him shifting in the pocket. And, you know, ironically enough, one of the better fights that Devin Haney had is one where he had to dig in and fight another fighter that could move. He had to, because Lomachenko just had as good a footwork as he did. You couldn't get away from Lomachenko. He brought one of the best fights out of Devin Haney that we've seen. And Devon won the fight. Even if you don't agree that he won, whatever on the cards, Devon won that night. It was because someone had the ability to make him fight. And for people trying to make this like, oh, you're just talking about Devin Shakur. Those are the two names that come to mind because of the performances in recent memory. But I just saw a fight in the UK and I can't even remember the guy's name. That's how unmemorable the performance was. But he did the same thing. I think he ended up getting beat because of it. I don't know what happened, but it was just so boring, and it was so. Just. Just disengaging, not only in the fight, but as a fan, just being like, all right, bro, well, I'll go do something else now. Because clearly, one guy wants to fight and the other guy does it. So why would I watch this? When it comes to Turki Allah Shaykh, he can kind of implement something like this, where he looks at fighters and says, I like that style of fighting. I want to bring them on as an ambassador. I are on a Ring Magazine card or two Riyadh season. And whether you like it or not, he does have a lot of leverage. And that may be the one thing that changes the way fighters fight is if Turkey is signing some of the biggest fighters, he's signing some of the biggest fights, and you want an opportunity over there, you may have to change the way you fight. If you're not necessarily doing that. And Turkey's like, well, I just. I'm not interested in signing you, then I have no problem with that. And I don't think any. Any fight fans should. That's what the free market is. That. That's what everybody enjoys about boxing, that they're frustrated with. With. With the UFC or some of these other companies is that there is competition out there, right? You have the Ring Magazine, you have these other promotions that you don't like that Turkey doesn't like that, then your favorite fighter can go fight on Matchroom or they can go fight on PBC or somewhere else. Ultimately, that is his decision. So no, Turkey can't change the way fighters fight. But that's not what Turkey is saying. He's giving you all the message that if certain fighters, and I'm sure they know who they are, if they don't, then maybe they'll find out. But, but if they continue to disengage, if they continue to skate by, if they continue to try to win matches and not fights, they won't find themselves on a Ring Magazine card and they won't find themselves on a Riyadh season card. That's what I think. You guys let me know in the comments where I get it wrong and let the debate continue respectfully, please, on all sides, because at the end of the day, everybody, we all love the sport. It's just a matter of making it the best it can possibly be by providing what it is that we think is wrong or what fighters or commentators or contributors or fans or whatever, whoever else, promoters can do better. Because I think we can all do better. That's what I think though. You guys let me know in the comments what happens next. Is showbiz gonna actually get a no running rule implemented? Are you gonna see Ring Magazine or Riyadh season cards a little different based on who is fighting in a certain way and who's going to be on them? I don't have any of those answers yet, but as far as this avoidance of contact in a combat sport goes, it's gotta change. That's what I think. But guess we'll find out. He was and still is the boogeyman of the 170 pound division of the UFC. And folks, I'm talking about Kamaru Usman, bad knees and all. He says y' all need to shut the F up because he can still do what he does. And he did just that in the main event of UFC Fight Night in Atlanta. But Kamaru Usman also rewound the clock, showed you that 38 is just a number that happens to be his age, but does not affect that he is one of the greatest 170 pound fighters of all time. Still potentially mounting a comeback for that goat status. What happened in the main event and throughout the entire card of UFC Fight Night Atlanta? The breakdown. Let's go. All right, so main event we'll get to, but let's let's talk about this card in general. The UFC Fight Night Atlanta card was a bit of an odd one. Started out really well. I'm not going to talk about every fight on the prelim card, but there were some good ones. Philip Rowe came back from the brink of death pretty much in his fight and won by tko. Stoppage. Malcolm Wellmaker, who is at the tender age of 32 yet somehow is still a prospect in the sport of mma. That's kind of where we're at. He was nine and oh, coming into this thing and he fought a familiar face to UFC fans. Well, maybe not because his face was so battered the last time we saw him. Chris Moutinho. That's right. The man that Sean O' Malley gave a 10 piece chicken nugget to and Sean Peterson beat the out of him, but he found a way to hang in. Didn't go so well for him tonight though, because Malcolm Wellmaker, who again is 32 but I consider a prospect, gave him a right hook to the jaw off a faint of a front kick and absolutely sent him to the shadow realm. That was something I did not expect to happen. But I also didn't know much about Malcolm Wellmaker. And what a performance, what a moment. Probably should have if he didn't get knockout or performance of the night. Jose Ochoa, big time win versus Cody Durden. Nasty punches there put him out like he was on a stretcher. And then as we got closer to the main card, listen, this Paul Craig Hadolfo Bilato fight was insane. Bellotto was seemingly winning the fight and then put on an Oscar worthy performance by flailing about after. Yes, getting hit with an illegal up kick that kind of hit him in the jaw, kind of hit him in the shoulder, but he looks at the referee as he's falling down. Almost again, Oscar worthy cinematics. And it's like, ref, you going to do anything about this? Hits the ground, closes his eyes, thinks for a second and then starts spasming and flailing about like a fish out of water. And then suddenly, almost as if it was scripted, he wakes up and starts defending takedowns against the referee and starts to act as though the referee's trying to get into his half guard. He's got to get frames on him. It was a joke. I mean, if you could see the pictures online, maybe there is some that we can find really quick. I mean, this is the best way to describ, describe it. You see him looking at the referee while falling and then all of a sudden he's dead. He faked being seriously injured by a head kick and usually I'm not the guy to say all fighters are faking things to try to get a win or try to get out of a fight. But that one was pretty clear that it did not affect him in the way that he put on that it did. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope that I am, but that looked clearly a bit, a bit stagey. But anyway that was just kind of the weird part of the card and it kind of started to snowball from there because then Alonzo Minifield as a plus 500 or plus 550 underdog beat Omar Sai who was undefeated in a three round, not very much going on decision. This was one of the slowest fights maybe I've ever seen and I don't know why it happened to go that way, but it just did. And Alonzo Menafield cash for all the underdogs. I should have put money on him. I didn't. Mansoor Abdul Malik vs Cody Brun was next. And again this was a weird one because Cody Brundridge could have been up 2 to 0 in this fight going into the, the third round. It could have been a one one back and forth kind of, you know, lackluster fight. And then the third round starts and we got fireworks, runage moving forward, throwing big time punches, swinging for the bleachers, Mansource winging back and all of a sudden we got a firefight on our hands. And somewhere in the middle of the firefight they separate and come back together and there's a head clash. And the head clash from Mansoor to Cody Brundage puts Brundage down at a legitimate head clash. And then Mansoor follows up with ground and pound and wins. But it was really because the head clash in a fight that otherwise would have been a draw. 36 seconds into the third round, the referee gives a technical decision victory to Mansoor. For reasons I don't really understand, the damage that happened to cause Brundage to fall down and to clasp at his head was a clear head clash. And you're only 36 seconds into the round. How do you determine who won that round? Very odd. But you know, I thought we could have seen a draw there or a no contest, but that's not what happened. And then a fight that I thought was going to be the start of the resurgence of the once again reminder that Cody Garbrandt is yet to make his second title run, unfortunately was not meant to be. Rayoni Barcelos comes in and you know what, he beats Cody Garbrandt in a decision. But this was a typical Cody Garbrandt fight. He rocked Barcelos in the first round, put him down, and instead of capitalizing on it, he pulled out a hand sniper and kind of pointed it at him and then did like a Fonz double click in finger guns and danced for a little bit. And Barcelos got to his feet and recovered and Cody got tired. He started getting hit to the body in the second round. You saw some of the bad habits of Cody Garbrandt creep back in, which I say creep back in, but they never really left. His head never moves off the center line, he ducks into uppercuts and knees. And his striking just hasn't gotten better. From the kind of short arm furious punching blitz that we saw all the way back when Cody was making his run in 2016. It just, that's what it feels like. It feels like Cody Garbrandt has never gotten better from his peak of 2016, 2017, going from unranked to winning the world championship. He has some swagger, yes. He has some ability, yes. He's got fast hands, he, he's got power. But defense, his variety, his thought process and his decision making just have not gotten better as a UFC fighter. And you know what, Congrats to Marcelo for the win. It really does show you how good Umar Nurmagomedov is for how nasty he treated Barcelos, but he is my goat of just complete chaos and opium that somehow he will be better than he previously was. It's never the case. It never works out that way, but I hate it for Cody. Congrats to Barcelona. And then we had our co main event, Miranda Maverick versus Rose. Naming units. Another fight that had its moments. Rose landed a nasty left hook and dropped Maverick. And at one point you could argue that Miranda Maverick won the first round and the second, which is why I wasn't really understanding of a 30:27 decision for Rose. But regardless, she did have the one knockdown. She did land two takedowns. You know, the striking department did go Miranda's way. All in all, a somewhat close fight, one that you could argue Miranda should have potentially won with the first couple of rounds. But I'm fine with Rose winning that what she does next, I have no idea. But Thug Rose is clearly back. Can she make a run back at the belt? Can she get the belt back? Can she find that I'm the best form once again? We'll see. But then you had the main event, and on a night where things were just a little bit off and a little bit weird, Especially leading into the main event where Joaquin Bust Buckley was having trouble even entering the venue. Security would not let him in for a moment for his main event spot. You figured this main event might be a little bit odd, it might get a little hairy, it might get a little sketchy, and that just didn't happen unless you're a Joaquin Buckley fan. And a lot of people in the MMA scene did pick Joaquin Buckley. I actually didn't make a prediction video, so I'm not going to toot my own horn when I just flippantly threw out there yesterday that I thought Kamara Usman would win this fight. Because that's not really fair to do for people that actually did breakdowns and predictions. Even if they got it wrong, I'm not going to claim I got it right. And also who gives a if you got it wrong or if you got it right. You guys are out there claiming MMA expertise because you picked a fight, right? You dumb. Kamaru Usman, Joaquin Buckley, five round main event and this one right here was a reminder even for a guy like me who has seen Kamaru Usman come up through the ranks of this sport. Right after he started being called Marty Usman, but after he was Marty Usman from Nebraska, but before, before he was close to a world title when he was smoking people like Emil Meek and John Strickland and others at 170 pounds and getting on the microphone after performances that some people didn't like and some people did, talking about that's only 30%. Watching his rise and eventual championship run where he was least, you forget lapping the division. That means beating contenders over and over in rematches and three match. There was no three matches but, but it sounded fun to say anyway. Kamaru had fallen on some hard times, recently lost the Hamza Chamayev fight, obviously lost both the Leon Edwards fights. And you thought, okay, 38 years old, maybe he's done for. You know, maybe it's, it's time to go ahead and say, hey, it has been a legendary career. But just like every other legend, your time ends at a certain point. And especially off those three losses and a 600 day layoff. What was it going to look like at 38 years old for Kamaru Usyk? And on the other side of it, Joaquin Buckley was riding a however many fight winning streak. Let's take a look. He had five fight winning streak coming into this fight, with the most recent two being a nasty KO over Stephen Wonderboy Thompson and a KO TKO over Colby Covington. Now what he did To Joaquin Buckley tonight, ladies and gentlemen, was pure domination of the highest order. And no, it wasn't the most flashy and it wasn't the most intricate game plan in the world. He walked forward, looked for Joaquin Buckley to throw big, powerful, fast punches. Level change, got underneath, it took him down, used his ground and pound, used his wrestling control. And Joaquin Buckley up off the top position on the ground. That's what happened round after round. His control time, his elbows, his punches, his maneuvering, his experience and his ability won him this fight. Nasty elbows in the first round cut up Joaquin Buckley's eye. From that point, it wasn't a ton of like eye opening, devastating damage coming from Kamaru in those top positions. No, but he was landing, he was scoring, and he was keeping Joaquin Buckley on the ground while he was able to land. And also he was taking him down time after time. In the second round, he shot a takedown from what felt like a mile away and landed it on Joaquin Buckley. And that'll probably be the most frustrating part for Joaquin Buckley fans tonight. Is like how going into a fight with Kamara Usman had you not worked on more wrestling? Or is it just that Kamara Usman had great timing tonight. He got to Joaquin Buckley's hips, he was able to get ends class and he was able to turn the corner on him multiple times before Buckley was able to even try to defend. There were multiple moments on the feet where Joaquin Buckley was clearly the more dangerous fighter. Kamaru did a good job of not committing too much. There were times where he got a little reckless, but not committing too much to the exchanges on the feet, stayed behind his jab, which is still, I think, a very good jab for mma. Tried to frame and circle out a lot, but moments where he got a little greedy and showed some of the big holes in Kamaru Usman's game, which are, you know, his combination striking, him standing in the pocket, looking to exchange with a guy like Joaquin Buckley, who is a very good combination striker. Usman would dip his head, kind of do the old duck and chuck, and it didn't look great. And even sometimes duck the head and look for the Muay Thai clinch and you'd see Buckley look for the lead hand uppercuts or the flying knees, and they were the right ideas. They just weren't landing as clean in the first, I would say two rounds. You could say Buckley potentially took the third because he did land some nasty punches in the third round. I think one of the right hands that he had from the southpaw position clipped Kamaru. And as soon as Kamaru got clipped with a big shot, immediately, single leg take down. I'm taking this fight back over. We're not doing that. Those were the moments where Kamaru Usman started to win back the fight. Those were the moments where Joaquin Buckley's striking ability didn't matter anymore. As good as he was on his feet and as good as he could have been in this fight. Like, if Joaquin Buckley had better takedown defense, this fight was going to be a problem for Kamaru Usman. Absolutely. But he just didn't have it. He just did. Not until the fifth round. And it wasn't a matter of Joaquin Buckley all of a sudden learning takedown defense, but he stuffed, I want to say, five or six takedowns in the fifth round, which shockingly enough, was his most successful round because he didn't have to get up off his back. He did have to use some effort to defend takedowns, but surely it's less effort than trying to get up off your flat back on the ground. And once he was able to sprawl and once he was able to defend takedowns, he was able to get more shots off and in turn allowed him to land some big, heavy, significant strikes. Fair play to Kamaru. He had a chin because he was getting tagged with some of that stuff in the fifth round. But I saw something online, people are like, he just learned how to do takedown defense in the fifth round. No, I mean, yeah, definitely. He started to find patterns in what Kamaru Usman wanted to do when especially Kamaru started just looking for a single leg and not going power double legs tiring to do. And that's another part of it. But Buckley saw patterns. He was able to use that muscle memory to start to get his underhooks. That was another thing. He started to actually use underhooks. More of what I think happened in the fifth round was that Usman had shot a ton of takedowns. He had used a lot of energy to control Buckley on the ground, and they were both sweating profusely. And the takedowns became more difficult and Buckley got some confidence. He had not had any confidence outside of that, that third round where he landed some big time punches, but he had no confidence in stopping Kamara Usman from doing whatever he wanted. And it was fading round by round. But the more he defended takedowns and the more he was able to start sensing patterns, he started to develop a little bit more confidence, a little bit more swagger, and that all turned to him being more successful on the feet. I think there's a lesson to be learned. That's the, that's the famous quote right from Conor McGregor and now kind of used pretty much everywhere in fighting, you don't, it's win or learn, not win or lose. And I think for Buckley, he's, he's humble enough as a guy to be able to go, you know what, Mara Usman's still that guy at the top of the division. And this was a dominating performance for at least three of those rounds, potentially four. But Joaquin Buckley is by no means done at 70, he's 31 years old. He can definitely get better. For everybody online, talking about, oh, oh, he's never getting better, he'll be just fine. This is the first time he's experienced this kind of wrestling domination, but he'll be just fine. I think he'll come back and be just as devastating. Look, you, you look at the numbers here too, by the way. It's not like the numbers show a crazy dominant fight or Kamaru Usman outside of obviously the total strikes, but you look at significant strikes and Buckley had a lot. He defended nine takedowns. Like, that's not on paper as dominant as it actually was. But there's, there's moments there of hope for Joaquin Buckley to go, you know what I can in if they do put him in there with another grappler like a Sean Brady or someone like that, that he has an ability to stuff takedowns, and when he's on his feet, he's fucking dangerous. And so Kamaru Usman got on the mic afterward, very emotional. I think some of it has got to do with personal stuff that he's going through, but some of it's got to do with us, the MMA online community, talking crazy to him, talking about he has no knees and he can't do it and he's washed up and he's old and, yeah, you know, all those things for the most part, as a general consensus, when you're 38 and you're coming off three losses and you haven't fought in 600 days, and that stuff would lead you to believe that the, the show is probably over. Pack it up, let's go home. Once again, Kamaru Usman is not your regular UFC fighter. He's not even your regular UFC former champion. He is one of the greatest 170 pound fighters that's ever lived. And it's time to just shut the up and say, respect, legend. You just did the damn thing once again and reminded everybody who the you are. That's it. That's all you could really say about that performance. Now, as far as what's next, well, as Kamaru is going to tell you what he thinks is not necessarily a great matchup, but what I think is the only match to make for him right now. Below Muhammad quickly tweeted, see you soon. I know your eyes are on a title fight fight, but if the UFC comes to you, that's also a pretty big fight. Former champ for former champ. A lot of backstory. Is that something you would entertain if the ufc, you know, came to you about it? Who is it below Muhammad, who's a former welterweight champion below Muhammad? Next. I forgot it.

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Thanks, champ. Remember the name, but he forgot it. Now, I don't know if that's very clear, clever, like fight setup from Kamaru Usman. I have a feeling he genuinely is like, I don't really give a about fighting Malal, but here's the thing. Mara Usman and Bilal Muhammad have a brewing rivalry right now. They have a rivalry based on the fact they keep chirping each other. You heard it there. There's this apparent missing podcast footage of Bilal and Kamaru legitimately getting into a fight on Kamaru and Henry Cejudo's podcast. The message from tonight's card, it was an odd one. It was a bit of a clunker. It had some moments, it had some bright spots and it had some lull. But at the end of the day, it had a reminder that Kamaru Usman is the exception to the rule when it comes to former champions aging out of the division, aging out of the sport, and going on a downhill slide to eventual despair and unfortunate retirement. That is not his story. It's history he's trying to make, but that's not his story. His story, ironically enough, will be history in the making. I think that Kamaru has much left to offer this sport, and I've seen some people say, I didn't show me he can beat anybody in the top four. Maybe not, but I'm not going to doubt Kamaru anymore. Most recent losses he has are to Leon Edwards and Hamza Chimaev, one of which is not in the division. And at the time he lost to Leon, it was challenging for the belt and then he was defending the belt and then trying to rechallenge for it. And also the first fight he was dominating Leon Edwards and then got head kicked. So I think there's a lot more parody still left for Kamaru. Usman. I think it needs to be Valal Muhammad so he can either forget or remember the name next. But regardless, what a win, what a performance for Kamaru Usman, and I think Joaquin Buckley is going to be just fine. I think. I still think he's super dangerous. I think he's just got power and speed and ridiculous timing in his hands. He just needs to get some wrestling defense, some takedown defense, and get his back to the cage, get under hooks and find ways to circle back to the middle of the octagon where he can really do damage. I think he can still do that, but you guys let me know what you think down in the comments below. This is my recap review for UFC Fight Night Atlanta. I guess I'm, I'm doing this MMA thing again, man. I. I am. I'm. I'm still doing the Ring magazine content. We still have boxing cards that I'm gonna commentate coming up, and I'm kind of bouncing back and forth. Call me Combat Sports concept at this point because I'm all over the place with this. But yes, you guys. Let me know what you think down below. What did you think of the card? What'd you think of the main event? What happens next for all the fighters? I don't have those answers, but guess we'll find out.

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