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Or what do you.
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What do we said?
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I have singles. It's like, what is this, a double? This is.
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This is big news, actually.
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It's.
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But go ahead, tell the people.
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All right, so I am hearing from reliable sources that Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. Yes. More than 10 years later, a rematch is being seriously discussed to take place next year on Netflix. And Netflix, of course, is very much into eventizing these. Whatever they put on, whether it's boxing or tennis. And so far, they've done Jake Paul, Mike Tyson. They just did Mayweather. Sorry, they just did Canelo against Crawford. And obviously a rematch between Mayweather and Pacquiao, even at this stage, would classify as a big event for Netflix. And I think it's a real possibility this is going to happen. Mayweather is now 46, I believe, and Pacquiao is around the same age. But look, this was the biggest fight in boxing history when it happened. And I think all these years later, a rematch, if it happens, especially after the way Pacquiao looked in July against Barrios, there would be serious interest.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Yeah, I mean, when. All right, so there's the announcement, apparently in talks, in serious talks sometime in 2026 on Netflix. Mayweather, Pacquiao, too, and what Cops said there, I agree with a lot of it. Number One, I agree that this, regardless of the skill level, regardless of the, the time out of the ring, regardless of all of that, this would still be a very sought after fight. And I don't know if that's a good thing for boxing that we continue to have to find. I don't want to call it a gimmick fight, but we continue to have to rely on the past, the greatness of the past versus the greatness of the present to provide big, monumental events. And yes, I'm referring to Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, but to be fair, we did just have Canelo and Crawford on Netflix, so there's that. But I don't know, I really don't know how to feel about this. Like, am I upset about it? No. Is it the thing I'm most excited for in 2026 for the sport of boxing? No. Will I watch it? Yeah, I will. Because this is a bit of a different thing than Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, Both these guys are old. Both these guys, I mean, I'm just saying it like it is. They are. Both these guys were at one point the highest level in the world, but when they fought, it was about five years too late then. That was 11 years ago. And we saw how the fight went then. What would make it any different now? The only thing I can think of, because they're a little older, a little slower and they're still willing to get in there and do it, that maybe we would get more of a slugfest. I, I still don't know if Mayweather's reflexes have diminished that much. I mean, we saw Manny Pacquiao go toe to toe with a sitting world champion in the sport of boxing right now, Mario Barrios. That may be more an indictment on the sport than this fight would even be the fact that 46 year old Manny came out of retirement after three years and went toe to toe and arguably beat Mario Barrios. Let's be honest, that's probably more of an indictment on the sport than this fight would ever be. But you're still going to get that feel of like, oh man, here come the novel fights. All right, this is what we're doing. I don't necessarily feel that way. You're gonna get that feel with a lot of the hardcore boxing fans. But just like a Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, just like a Javante Tank Davis, Jake Paul, just like a Floyd Mayweather, Logan Paul, you're going to get more of an attention outside of your hardcore fan base from casual audiences to watch a fight like this. And in that way it is a net good for boxing. It just means more eyes on the sport. That is a good thing. And again, this doesn't feel like as much of a gimmick because they are two legendary names in the same or around the same weight they had already fought before. You're talking about pound for pound, number one, number two, greatest all time in those weight division. I mean, you can argue for the heavier guy. I'm just saying these are two of the greatest and if they want to do it even in their old age, I wouldn't recommend it. But then again, Manny just fought a world championship fight and looked okay compared to what he was in there with. So I, I don't mind it. I, I will watch this, I will break it down, I will enjoy it. And yes, you can call it a novelty fight, you can say it's a one off, you can say it's an entertainment fight. But what the difference in this, in something like a Jake Gervonta fight, there isn' inherent advantage, weight wise, experience wise. There isn't a sitting world champion involved in this fight. If you're taking time out to do it, there isn't a massive age difference. This is two of the best in their time fighting years later. This is almost more so like the Roy Jones Jr. Mike Tyson exhibition that happened in 2020. I think this is more like that than it is, you know, Jake versus Mike. And the Netflix thing is a great move. I mean, Netflix is, I think, doing it right when it comes to finding things that people want to see grabbing attention when procuring sports their platform. You don't see Netflix going out, no offense to, you know, smaller events in boxing or MMA or really anything but you don't see Netflix going out and grabbing, you know, a regular fight night to put on their platform. You don't see Netflix going out and showcasing high school football or even college football. You see them going after the biggest and most watched events they can possibly make. And I think again, that's a good thing that boxing is included in it at all. Right? You're seeing these exhibitions with Jake and you're seeing the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fighting. And those do bring a ton of audience, whether you like the fights or not. They do. And again, it brings more people to the sport. Do I wish that more people came to the sport for, you know, championship bouts between guys like Teofimo Lopez and Shakur Stevenson? Or that we could showcase the Ring 4 card on Netflix for David Benavidez and Anthony Yard and Devin Haney and Brian Norman Jr. Of course I do. But you have to find a way to remind people about the sport of boxing. You have to find a way to get it in front of a massive audience to then have that trickle down effect of the people that come for the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul's, the Jake Paul, Gervonta Davis, the Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao 16 years after it showed have happened, or even the Crawford Canelo fight and hold on to as many of those people as possible that are interested in this sport. And in that way, again, everyone eats. And I think it is good for boxing. Now you're always going to have this discussion of like what's better for the sport. Is it a good thing, is it a bad thing? You're going to have people that go, no, I don't want to see this because they're two legends that are going to look like lesser versions of themselves than we remembered. And in that way it may hurt their legacy. I'm not one of those people. I can separate the best from when they were the best to what they are now. And if these guys were, I mean Floyd's close to 50, he might be 50 at this point. I don't even know. This is going to be a lesser version of that. But it's not like, you know, someone in their 60s doing this or even Mike in his late 50s doing this. And even then I could separate like Jake Paul beating Mike Tyson in a pro bout was not in any way, shape or form. Me looking at his legacy and being like, damn, Mike lost to Jake Paul's legacy done. No, he was 58. You know, I could still go back and see 21 year old Mike Tyson or in his 20s in general and how that guy looked and who he was and what he meant to the sport versus what he was at 58. And they're two different people. You should be able to separate those. But some people won't. And there will be a generation of kids that do watch this fight and go, well, these are supposed to be the greatest of all time. They don't look like that. These guys don't even look as good as whoever, you know, name the person that they want to watch, you know, whatever. So there is that risk you run like, oh, this is supposed to be the two goats, like Manny Pacquiao, eight division world champ. What are we talking about? And he doesn't necessarily look like that, but I will say Manny looked decent enough. I get 46 years old versus Mario Barrio, so he still got it, at least to some degree. And we've seen Floyd in these exhibitions, you know, with Leah Gotti stepbrother, if you know, you know John Gotti iii, We've seen him against Logan Paul, we've seen him in these, these Deji, these exhibitions where he still has his reflexes, he still can fight. But oddly enough, this might be a hot take when I watch it the second time around. You know, Manny had the shoulder issue the first time in 2015 and they were still at the top of boxing, but their skills were fading. But this time around, Demian a little older, a little slower, you may get a better fight out of it. Not necessarily a better looking aesthetically or higher skilled, but you may get a better, just a generally better fight. And again, you do something like this because it was at the time and still is the most watched behind pay per view fight ever. They generated $600 million, I think or something like that for that fight. And that was the fight that everybody wanted to see. And if you can capture that same feel behind Netflix, which doesn't, I mean, yes, it has a paywall, but it's not pay per view behind that. You're going to get a lot of people that tune into this thing once again just for that last go around, that last ride off into the sunset. So I listen, I don't think we're going to see anywhere near the skill that we would have seen had this been 2011, you know, 2010 when it should have happened. But we still are going to get a decent enough fight. And I, you know, I get both sides of the argument here when you're talking about do we want see it? Is it really good for the sport? Do we really need to see it? Are we going to have a better way of building the next generation of fighters to where we don't have to rely on these big one off, you know, exhibition type fights. I get all that and I hear it all. But I also think there's something to be said for if guys still have the ability, if they still are with it mentally and physically and they still can draw a crowd, who's to say that we should stop them from fighting? It may not be the best look, that this is who you get the biggest viewing numbers for. And that should be an indictment on boxing building its next generation of stars. But just like a Jake Paul, Mike Tyson card, just like a Canelo and Terence Crawford card, you use those big names in the main event to have the trickle down effect of all the fighters underneath that card. So yes, you know, you have the novelty act kind of way too late, rematch at the top of the car. But then you have potentially a Shakur Stevens, a Tiafimo Lopez, potentially a Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, potentially a Abdullah Mason, Emiliano Vargas, potentially a Moses at Talma, Jayo Pattaya. Like these names of the great boxers that currently reside in their divisions that we don't necessarily look at as those guys that are coming up or maybe that the casual audience doesn't necessarily know yet. You utilize that undercard for those type of guys and hopefully the eyes that are on that card just like a Jake Paul, Mike Tyson get to see 75 million people, watch Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano, you get that same kind of trickle down effect for those fights. Fighters and they become more popular because of it. That I think would be the best case scenario. Here is Malik Scott talking about what he thinks of the fight. Piggyback off of what Shady was saying. I actually believe people will feed into it heavy because we're talking about two of the elites of all time. They both are extremely technically sound. They both are known for what they have done in the ring. Obviously Mayweather got the huge promotion market behind him. So does Pacquiao. I just think it does numbers. And I also would be like a.
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Dana White
Huge fan of it.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
I think think the way how Floyd is looking lately, whether it's in the gym and the way how Pacquiao has been looking his last fight, I'm, I'm really into the fight if they, if they're going to do it again, especially.
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Mams Taylor
If it's going to be on the.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Best stage in the world, the ring, the Netflix and the same type of numbers. Again, I, I kind of agree with that now again, I know it's not the most consequential fight ever, but if they still are with it and both guys have shown physically and mentally they are still with it, if they still have an ability, if they still have a hunger to fight. And yes, it's a money fight, we get that. But this time the stakes aren't as high. We don't have world championships involved. You can kind of free up the rest of the division because people are talking about Manny Bacchiao fighting for another world title. Let's not do that. Let's have him go over here and fight this thing with Floyd because they're at the same stage of their career, they're at the same or similar skill level. And we always ask the question what happened if they fought earlier? But now we would get the answer to what happened if they had fought Again, with a healthier or relatively healthier Manny Pacquiao or, you know, later in age when Floyd slows down. I don't know. But you are going to potentially get some of the questions answered there of one of the greatest tandem of fighters that we never got to see at their prime. But, hey, if we get one more time around and one more do si do, I'm not gonna say no to it. I. I am fully aware and into this fight. I like this fight. And again, it doesn't mean that it has to be consequential for the sport. And maybe in the grand scheme of things, you want to get away from stuff like this because it does outshine the current talent in the sport. Right. You don't want to have to rely on hitting the old Faithful, which is, let's pull somebody out of retirement because everybody knew them. No, you want to create new stars so that people do know them, but for this, because it really doesn't affect the sport as a whole because it's, it's. It's almost off on its own island. I say, yes, I'm into it. You guys let me know down below what you think. Breaking news, 2026. It was supposed to be Floyd and Mike Tyson, which I was not into at all. Thank goodness that's not happening because I just don't why. It makes no sense. We're talking about Mike, who's going to be 60, and Floyd, who, yes, is still going to be close to 50. And the weight difference, and that seems like a lot more of a circus freak show than this ever would. Give me this fight. If we're gonna do something like this, put it on Netflix. Have the boxing people that recognize those two names come in, see a very talented undercard, become fans of those guys and elevate the sport. That's what I think. You guys let me know down below what happens. Does this thing even get off the ground? Is this for real? Lloyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao, 2026 on Netflix. I don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out. All right, so we are back on the way. Concept presented by the Ring magazine. And today I wanted to make this video. I really wanted to make it in the last video we did. I know I'm talking a lot about U 321 and Tom Aspen all, Cyril gone, Jon Jones, this entire saga, but I can't get enough of it. I'm enjoying dipping my toe back in the MMA space as well. Who knows? Maybe. Maybe it's not A toe dip, maybe we dive in. But today I, I, I said something on Twitter after UFC321 that I am starting to see more and more as a reality of the situation, and that is that Dana White hates Tom Aspinall. I, I can't unsee it. It seems like every time I, I look at an interaction with those two, and especially at the post fight press conf. White after Tom Aspinall gets poked in his eyes and again, not his fault, can't really do anything about it and can't continue fighting because he can't see because both of his eyes have been poked. Dana had a, let's just say less than supportive response, which I pointed out here seems pretty insane because that's his heavyweight champion of the world. And I just quote tweeted a happy bunch tweet by saying, oh, yeah, no, Dana hates Tom Aspinall because of the video we're about to watch. Why does this keep happening? It's a familiar pattern. Dana White having issues at the top of the food chain, especially with his heavyweight champions. And I'm gonna get into what I think is exactly why. It's not just money. That's part of it, but it's a long list of things. What do I mean? The breakdown. Let's go. All right, so here is Dana White talking about the Suril gone Tom Aspinall situation after the fight on Saturday night. And let's just hear his response to what it is that happened and the questions being asked and, and just how the, the head man of the UFC goes about answering what clearly was not Tom Aspinall's fault, getting poked in his eyeballs and how he's there to either support or promote his heavyweight champion. Let's take a listen at this.
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Podcast Host
Obviously not a way we want to see a main event end, any fight end. Give us your reaction to the eye poke and how to win out.
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Dana White
I mean, I feel the way everybody feels great showing shitty ending. You know, I think that after the, after the Jones fight, a lot of people wrote Cyril gone off. He looked damn good tonight. Yeah.
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Podcast Host
What did you think about the.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
All right, so first off, yes, what Dana says is true. Like a lot of people did write Cyril gone off for this fight. Cyril performed better than a lot of people thought he would. Tom I thought performed how I assumed he would in the first round. I thought the second would be a little bit of a different story. But Sorrel was better than I thought he would be, and a lot of people thought he would be. And for the People that thought Tom was just going to bulldoze Cyril. This was a reality check. That MMA math doesn't work. Just because Jon Jones beat someone in two minutes doesn't mean that because Tom you feel is better than Jon Jones, he's going to beat him even quicker. Right? It's not how it works. Styles make fights and that's why you can't make the comparison on the other side that Jon Jones is so much better than Tom Aspinall because he beat Cyril gone. Yes, it's a. It's a common opponent, but by that logic, like, it took Jon Jones decision to beat and he really didn't beat Dominic Reyes or the Gustafson first fight. Like, you could do that all day and be like, well, this guy beat him better, doesn't really matter. But notice there Dana didn't answer his thoughts on the I poke. He just said, I feel how everybody feels. And surreal looked good. Nothing about Tom there. What from.
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Podcast Host
What did you take from those four minutes?
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Dana White
Look like we're in for a few rounds and it was going to be a good fight.
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Podcast Host
It would seem obvious that a rematch is right on the cards. Would you like to just rebook these guys as soon as Tom is able to get back in there?
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Dana White
Yeah, Total pain in the ass, but yes. Yeah.
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Podcast Host
Have you got any meta?
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Again, it's a total pain in the ass. And he's right. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to have to do this again, but there is a silver lining that, yes, you now get maybe a bigger fight than you would have. This is one of the worst things that could have possibly happened on this card for sure. Especially seeing as the UFC has this relationship with, you know, know, Abu Dhabi in the Middle east, and this is them paying a ton of money for this fight to kind of flop. Like, it not even kind of. It flopped and so did the majority of the the card, really. There were great performances, but as far as name value, monetary value, the whole thing wasn't a ton of star making performances. Outside of Quilling, Sal killed that guy. I'm gonna be watching every one of his next fights. But look at Dana's attitude toward it. It seems like he's just more upset, like he's a pain in the ass. We got to do this again. Not like, oh, I hope my heavyweight champion is all right. I don't know. I just watching him answer these questions, there isn't really any thought given to the actual eye poke and how it's affecting Tom more. So just like, oh, gotta do this shit again, like he does. It seems like he doesn't want to deal with this situation and not just Aspinall gone, but really Tom Aspinall again. I could be reading too much in, but that's just the way I'm hearing him. It almost seems distraught and kind of like I'm fed up with it.
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Podcast Host
Update on Tom, or is it still too soon?
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Dana White
He's on his way to the hospital.
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Podcast Host
It's a bit of a weird question, right? It was ruled in no contest because of a unintentional eye poke. What does it take to make an eye poke intentional? And is there even a way you could ever prove that?
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Dana White
Who the fuck knows? Who gives a shit? What are you gonna do?
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
What? I don't mind the the answer. You could tell he's fed up, is pissed that this is the. The way the thing ended. And I get it, we're all pissed that that's not the way we wanted that fight to go. But it's a good question. That's Oscar Willis with the Mac Life asking about the intentionality of. Of strikes. And how do you even determine it? Because essentially this fight was ruled a no contest because they determined that. And I think rightfully that Cyril accidentally I poked him and because the intention was not mal mal intent pars that you can't disqualify him. And because Cyrille was probably winning that round. Now, there is a bit of a gray area when you talk about the intentionality of strikes landing and what that means. Like, does it matter if you intentionally foul someone because you still fouled them, you still have to pay the price for fouling them. This is why I'm in favor of taking points. Immediate, no warnings involved. But if the fight is stopped, should that not be a dq? Should it be a no contest? I really don't know. I feel like a no contest is the right call because it was so early in the fight because again, to me was a mistake that if Cyril Gahn makes that mistake whilst winning, I don't know, it just doesn't feel right to go full on dq. But he is the reason that the fight was stopped. He is the reason that the fight could not continue. And it was because of a foul. So it's a good question. But you hear Dana like, ah, who gives a shit? It just, I don't know, it feels like a checked out Dana White. It does. When he answers questions like that, like not even even giving time to answer in a way that, you know, he could spin it into promoting the next event or Spin it into. All right. No, we do have to figure this out, because I'm tired of this shit happening. Here's what I'm going to do. Here's how I'm going to make a difference to. To eliminate this from the sport. And I don't know that you can with eye pokes. I don't know that you can in any way assure it's not going to happen, but just that the answer itself is what I'm talking about. He's like, I don't. Who gives a shit? Who the fuck knows who gives a shit that doesn't scream A guy that's locked in when his heavyweight champ, potentially, at this point he doesn't, has got a really bad eye injury and he's like, ah, who gives a. You know, like, that's kind of crazy to hear.
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Podcast Host
I know we, you know, tried to do new gloves before and that kind of didn't work out. Is there anything we can do to stop these eye pokes? Would you ever look at maybe trying to change the gloves again? Or is it just part of the sport? Just shit happens?
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Dana White
Yeah. I mean, no matter what you do with the glove, I mean, they're going to happen.
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Podcast Host
I mean, what did you think for the rest of the.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
It is going to happen regardless. I do think they should change the gloves. I think that the Pride style glove, where they cupped the hands purposely, even if your hands are open, that they're going to have the fingers kind of bent back towards you more than straight out. But then again, if you raise the hand up and those curved gloves are this way, if you're trying to catch stuff, then, I don't know, you're never going to fix it completely. But it's funny when Oscar Willis talks about, you know, we tried the new gloves for a little bit, and the new gloves when the UFC introduced them, were a bit more curved. They did have a bit more of a curvature to them. And funny enough, the guy that had the most trouble with them and didn't want to wear them, and I'm not. I don't know if it was solely because of him, but they tried him out. Jon Jones, fucking hated them, didn't want to wear them, refused to wear them against Cyril, gone. And then they did go back to the original glove. Most people said that was because of the issue of guys not knocking people out and, you know, fights not being as explosive. I don't know the reason, but one of the bigger people that had an issue with the new gloves when they tried them was the Serial eye poker himself. The man that should be in a mo and curly Three Stooges skit. It's Jon Jones. He was gouging eyes, dude. Like, it was almost like sign language, the way he was poking fingers out at people. It was clear he was a problem and still is if he ever fights again. So I don't know if that has anything to do with why the gloves went the other way, but we all know that Dana, he fancies himself some Jon Jones as the goat, so you can tell where he's leaning in that back and forth. If, If John or Tom were to have an issue, he's going to side with Jon Jones. And I know that you said you.
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Podcast Host
You'd want to do. The rematch between Tom and Cyril is very fresh, but any potential timeline for that, like maybe January, the kickoff, the Paramount card?
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Dana White
Yeah, I mean, they're both in shape, other than whatever's wrong with his eye. You know, both guys are not injured or. So as soon as possible.
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Podcast Host
Thank you.
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Dana White
Thank you.
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Podcast Host
Then what about what?
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Yeah, I think that if, If Tom. Which we've seen Tom's video now, we did a breakdown on that a couple days ago. I think that if you. If Tom is healthy, then it would be a perfect situation. I mean, knock on wood, nothing bad happens again because you can't have a. You can't have. Oh, God, I don't want to put it out there. You can't have another flop for your first fight on Paramount. If you guys remember, the JDS and Kane fight, I think was the one on Fox when they debuted, and it was a. Some. I forgot what happened, but it was a shitty first debut. When the UFC first went to Fox, it was not a great night. You can't have that kind of thing happen. So again, hopefully nothing bad would happen again for these two, but that would be a perfect landing spot for Tom Aspinall. And surreal. Gone is is that first Paramount card in January, because you're kind of booked out to the end of the year and you do want to make a splash on that first card. They were thinking maybe it'll be Ilya, maybe not. Now you have a perfect opportunity to slide this fight in there. People are going to be more interested in it and there's going to be a bit more of a buzz based off this first fight, based off the controversy and based off the performance of both guys in the time that we saw. So I think that would be a perfect spot.
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Podcast Host
The rule, it's only the second time in a championship fight that we do Have a no contest for such thing. We just have to go by the judges and the fighters will. That's just the way it is for him to say after five minutes, I can no longer continue. What I'm trying to figure out is, is there different levels of ipox? You see what I'm saying?
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Dana White
Nobody sees what you're saying, sir.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
What kind of question was that? I guess what the guy is asking is like, is there a way to determine severity of eye pokes and is there a way to based off that, delineate between no contest and disqualification? And the answer as of right now, I don't think. Unless you saw like a Jon Jones thing where his hand is fully extended and his, his fingers are parallel to the ground. He is like, you know, on purpose, like, I'm gonna stab you in the eyes if you come any closer type of thing. Like he's jabbing with his hand open and he's like, ah. I don't, I don't know if there's a way to, to determine intentionality, but that would be the way to delineate between no contest and disqualification. I think it was MMA guru that, that said he would like to see if you're down on the scorecards and you do something like that, then, yeah, you're getting DQ'd. Morning, Zoe.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Up, then no contest. But I. I don't know, man. I think there just needs to be a clear one rule application for everything. If that means you get DQ'd as soon as you. I poke someone and they can't continue, then fair. Okay. If that's what we need to do to make a concrete rule on these things, yeah, it's gonna suck. But that at least discourages it to a point of like, I may lose if I do this. Even if it's so let me be extra cautious on it. Right. Like, we have these kind of things in place for head kicks when people are on the ground or, you know, what used to be 12 to 6 elbows. Like, those things are pretty hard stance. You don't do them or you get DQ'd. Maybe we can do something like that for eye gouges.
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Podcast Host
It's only up to the fighter to stay, whether or not he wants to continue. Yeah, that's just the way it is.
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Dana White
Oh, yeah, what am I say, hey, Tom, guess no, you're going to keep fighting. Fighting.
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Podcast Host
Serial. Tried to tell him or go toward him. And Jason Arasak said, don't talk to the opponent at that point. So I guess they were trying to figure out to one another, you can't.
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Dana White
Just like, you know, I can't make people fight, right? If I. If I want to put together a fight, I can't make people fight. And you definitely can't make somebody continue if they. If they feel they've been injured. Only Tom knows what happened. You know, could he see? Couldn't he see? Could he continue? Only he knows that.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
This is what I'm talking about, man. Again, you see the way he answers that question now, again, the question was asked really weird, like, oh, only. Only the fighter can determine that. And he kind of walked Dana into saying, like, again, how do we make a concrete ruling here? But again, we're talking about Tom's choice, in Dana's words, choice. Only he can decide whether he wants to fight or not to continue fighting with.
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Podcast Host
With.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
With no vision in one eye and blurry vision in the other, versus, again, I don't think Surreal did it on purpose, but Surreal committed the foul. He is in the wrong here. Tom is not in the wrong. And the same way I said this about Henry Cejudo and Song Ya Dong, where he got Song Ya Donged in his eyeballs. You can look at this fighter as a referee and ask him what he wants to do, and that's a terrible way of judging, in my opinion. Because the rules should protect a fighter in this moment more so than the old, you know, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get on with it. Fight, fighter. Because in every scenario where a fighter. Not every, but a lot of scenarios where a fighter continues on after being eye gouged, they lose. DC in the Steepe Fight Stipe in the DC trilogy as well. Henry Cejudo, Song Yidong. These are things that continually happen because they're compromised. And for Dana to sit there and. And talk about, well, only Tom knows if he could see or not. And I can't make guys fight. I can't make them while not giving any sort of, like, hey, yeah, surreal up. It's his fault that this happened. And if he doesn't do that, then we're not having this discussion. We don't hear that from Dana. I mean, he's not saying it, but he's kind of saying, only Tom knows if he was really hurt or not. Only Tom knows if he was looking for a way out or not. Like, he's not saying those specific words, but he's essentially doing that. And that's fucking crazy. Tom, we saw Go to the doctor, he described it as his eyeball feeling like his eyeball was poked into the back of his skull. That's what happened, dude. Again, I don't think the intentionality really matters when we're talking about who should be, you know, receiving the blame for this. And it really shouldn't even be like, a who should be receiving the blame. How do we go forward having confidence in the heavyweight champion of the world if not only the. The online fan base is like, ah, look at Tom. Scared, quitter, blah. You have the freaking head of the UFC being like, well, I don't really know. I can't make him fight, you know, only he knows. What are we doing? I was disappointed in the way this fight was built up. I'm more disappointed in the way this is being handled at the presser. This is crazy. You try not to venture into, like, having personal bias, but Dana clearly likes some fighters and doesn't like others. I don't know how you look at this and don't think Dana has a bias to, like, not like Tom Aspinall, because that's what he's telling us here.
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Dana White
First of all, I can sit here right now. The fight just got over however long ago. What makes sense is to do the rematch. It makes sense, you know, sitting here tonight. So, yeah, that makes sense. I'm not saying that's what's going to Happen. Anything can happen between now and, you know, when I get him. We're not talking this Tuesday, I go from here to Saudi. I go to Qatar, then Saudi. I'm still here for another eight or nine days. So I, I don't know what's going to happen. I. I'm not saying anybody's going to be a number one contender outside of Cyril gone, I don't know. But right here, right now, being honest, which I never do this ever is talk about, you know, what, what next fight's going to happen. The rematch is what makes sense.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
I was going to say he's talking like, the rematch may not even be the thing he wants to do or that they go with. He's like, I'm not saying that's what happens next, but it makes sense. Sense. If you don't give this fight a rematch, that would be even worse. I mean, yeah, you could do like, imagine Tom is like, oh, I'm not going to give that guy a rematch, that cheater, or whatever. And you do Tom versus Volkov, too. Ah, you, you have to ride this wave. You have to. I think Dana wants to, to see it out and see the rematch, but there's so much now built up to this fight. There's so much attention around it. It would be a flat miss to not do it again. Ironically, this eye poke has, has garnered more attention around this fight than it ever had before any of that stuff. This fight, it was a big fight for the people in the, in the MMA space, but now it's reaching other levels of casual fans that are going to be locked in for this second one because they're on one of two sides. They're on the surreal. As a cheater, that guy. I hope Tom knocks him outside or Tom Aspen all quit. He didn't want no part of it. I hope Sorrel gets the job done even more this time. Like, you're seeing these splits happen right now in the MMA scene, you have to run with it. With the few things we've seen into this fight, I feel like Cyril was doing pretty well. Do you feel the same? And do you feel that he's earned respect so that people would care even more when you make this fight again and the odds would be more equivalent?
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Dana White
Yes, yes, I agree. I think that I said earlier, because of the Jon Jones fight, I think everybody was sleeping on Ciro Gane and sort of wrote him up off.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
I agree.
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Dana White
And he's right behind me. He's coming in next, so you guys can ask him how he Felt, but I feel like, you know, I'm sure in his camp he was training like a animal for this fight, and it's unfortunate that it ended the way that it did. And yes, I think that there probably will be a lot more interest in the rematch after they saw, you know, I mean, he had Tom bloodied up and know Tom didn't. Didn't want to continue in the fight, so. Dog rematches, very interesting.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
You only answer a question that way. If you fucking hate your heavyweight champion, you can't convince me otherwise. Yes, the question was asked about Cyrille, but Dana attributes all of the things that happened good in the fight to just Cyril gone. You hear him talking about, you know, people wrote Cyril off. I agree with him, by the way, based on the Jon Jones fight. People did write Cyril gone off and say that Tom was going to run through him and all that, but. But you hear him then go, yeah, you know, I bet Sorrelle was training like an animal for this. Not mentioning that Tom Aspinall's been off for 15 months. He was probably training his ass off too. No, and mostly the time he took off was because he was trying to lobby for a Jon Jones fight that the UFC never got done for it. This is the way a fan of Sorrel or Jon Jones and a hater of Tom Aspinall speaks. Again, maybe it's just me reading too much into it. That sounds like coded language. Like, yeah, Tom didn't want it anymore, you know, Again, yeah, he had him bloodied up and he just didn't want to go. No, he got his eyes gouged and he couldn't see. What are we talking about? This is your heavyweight champion. And again, I have to think you only speak this way if you have a preconceived bias. And I say preconceived because I don't think this just developed tonight. I don't think this just happened where, you know, Dana just decided, ah, fuck Tom Aspinall. He's a quitter or whatever. I think it's because of the things we've talked about in previous videos, like something like this this week, week from Andy Aspinall, which, by the way, I will say is a terrible, terrible thing for Andy Aspinall, Tom's father and head coach, to be doing during fight week, talking about how he's going to take Tom out of MMA and take him into boxing because the pay is better over there, they only have a couple fights left, and that he doesn't want him to sign a new contract. With the ufc, this is stuff that you don't do as the sitting heavyweight champion, because all it does is burn bridges with the decision makers at the ufc.
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Podcast Host
You said that you wanted a boxing champion. You're okay with an MMA champion, but you to wanted a boxing ch.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Boxing for sure. The money is more money. Yeah, more money.
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Dana White
Why not?
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Podcast Host
Would that. Would that be an outcome for him? No, it's three more fights on the contract now.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Okay. So I don't want to sign a new contract.
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Podcast Host
Okay.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Personally, now, that was before the fight. Tom now has two fights left on his deal and, man, I just have a feeling it's going to be a rough two fights. They're going to try to give Tom Aspinall because again, if you remember back when Dana White had issues with Francis Ngannou heading into the last part of his career, remember Dana White was all aboard the Francis Ngannou train when he was going to fight Stipe for the first time. And Dana White, remember he had some issues with Stipe at that time. All the talk was about Francis, how he hits harder than a chevy Cruz going 20 miles an hour or something, and how he's the most devastating whatever in heavyweight history. This is all things that were being said about Francis Aanu before the first Stipe fight. And then Stipe beats Francis. I'm pretty sure Dana didn't put the belt on Stipe after he beat Francis again, then a little sign that there wasn't a great relationship there. I think Stipe took the belt, gave it to his coach and let the coach put it on him. And then Dana got in the press conference afterward and I think was trashing Francis a little bit. He wasn't prepared. He got. He was. He was smelling the roses and all that. And then he got back on the Francis train. Francis started to. To get those wins back and beat Stipe the second time. And all of a sudden Dana White was saying, Jon Jones shouldn't come up and fight Francis. And Godo, he don't want that smoke, essentially. And then, then as things played out a little further and Francis got toward the end of that contract and you started to hear Dana White talk about how Francis had the wrong people around him and how he was hard to deal with. And Dana can be right about all those things. And it maybe is that we're seeing more and more now with Francis. But the point I'm making is this is a pattern of behavior. If you give Dana an opportunity to look at you as somebody that's not going to be good for Business that someone that doesn't want to do business, or that someone that's going to turn their back on the ufc, he's not going to like you. And this is why I think he's starting to hate the Aspinalls and Tom Aspinall in general. Not to mention one of the cardinal sins when you're dealing with Dana White. One of the things he hates more than anything, and I agree with him on this, is a champion that won't fight his friends. And again, it's not like any other sport where you're playing the sport against your friend, but this is fighting, so emotions can dictate how you defend whatever. Here's Dana White responding to Tom Aspinall saying essentially he wouldn't fight one of his friends that just entered the UFC.
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Mams Taylor
That the guy that's currently ranked number 10 is his friend anti delight and he would vacate the title if Elijah got to a point where he was.
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Podcast Host
Going to fight for the title. He's one of like my genuine friends. I would never.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
I'll vacate it and he can have his time.
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Podcast Host
Really, I wouldn't fight him.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
There's some stuff to me that's like, more important than like, money and titles.
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Dana White
You know what I think about that? Before you even ask me, I hate that. You know, you know, many friends, relatives, name it, have all fought each other before. It doesn't determine whether you are friends with somebody or you hate somebody. You're competing against them to see who the best is. But that's his decision. If he defends the title and does whatever he does, to even think about vacating it because you don't want to compete against them, somebody is absolutely insane. But he's a grown man. That's up to him.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
This is the type of stuff I'm telling you. It's been building now, and this was just this week, this was just this fight week. So I have to think it's been building for a while now. But when you see all this evidence laid out, I think my assumption here is pretty clear. Dana White fucking hates Tom Aspinall. I think he hates dealing with him or his dad. I think he hates the outcome of this fight and probably attributes it more to Tom than he does Cyril gone, which I think is insane. And I think potentially this could be also a part of this Jon Jones discussion that's been going on for the last, it feels like year now about who is the best in the world or top pound for pound, number one. Dana has always had issues with Jon Jones, but For whatever reason, recently has stuck by him for pound for pound for best ever, for best in, in the UFC right now. And even after the Tom Aspinall fight fell through, he is still somewhat taking that side of things. Things which as the promoter, I feel like you could. You don't have to do that. Dana's always run it his way and he's gotten personal with people before the Tito Ortiz of the world, which I think he was right about in some cases. He had his grievances and he was fair there as well. But you know, Francis Ngannou and there's been so many. But I just feel like this is the, the, the worst thing that could possibly happen for Tom Aspinall right now is the pile on effect that's happening online, the eye poke of doom. His dad saying a lot of these things this week. I think that was a terrible move, him saying he doesn't want to defend versus his friends. The idea of him moving to boxing and leaving the heavyweight division, all of it is bad. And now he essentially has to fight Cyril gone and the UFC in this rematch in January and hope to God nothing bad happens because as of right now, all blame, all hatred from the top from the decision makers at the ufc with Tom still having two fights left. They don't like him. That's what I think. You guys let me know down below. I don't think this thing is going to get better before it gets worse. I hope so, but. But it doesn't look like this relationship is panning out. We've seen this story before. It usually ends ugly. What do you think happens? Don't have those answers, but guess we'll find out. Folks, we are back on the way. Concept presented by the Ring magazine and oh my goodness, what just happened? I was at a family get together. As you can see, I'm back home in Tennessee. I was just hanging out with the fam and all of a sudden a massive trailer from Misfits just dropped and they're calling it the Fight Before Christmas. We predicted this, this just a couple of, I guess weeks ago now, massive announcements. Andrew Tate apparently storming the castle here. Trojan Horse into Misfits. There's so much to get to, but the main thing I'm taking away is that there is some at least what seems to be ruffling of the Feathers Mallard between KSI and Misfits. Ma' am saying he's done with I, we, we. Let me just get to the trailer and I'll tell you guys what I actually think because What I'm not so sure about is that what we're seeing is the actual case of what's going on with Misfits. I have my own theories of what's happening behind the scenes, but I'll get to that as soon as we break down the fight. Before Christmas. Dubai, December 20, 2025. Andrew Tate is for sure fighting, but it's a whole lot more than that. What do I mean? The breakdown. Let's go.
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Mams Taylor
Ladies and gentlemen, some of you may know me. Mems Taylor, president of misfits Boxing.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
I have to stop it. We're not even 11 seconds into the video, and the first thing ma' am says is, some you may know me. If anybody is watching this video that doesn't know who Mams is, maybe they're new fans to misfits, but I don't know why that cracked me up. And he's got the. The shades on. Oh, my goodness. All right, real quick, we have. We have. It looks like new sponsors, duel.com and does it say memo house or meme House, Something called Memehouse. Two new sponsors of Misfits. Right away. That's what I'm seeing. We're gonna hit a new rockstar style breakdown with this. Mams has got some sort of designer shades on, and the designer shades have a design on them that's gotta be some double entendre. The beard is gray with white, meaning he's either ready for his winter phase or there's been a lot of stress going on behind the scenes of Misfit. Stay tuned for that. And then he's got his Gucci denim jacket on, which, you know, every farmer in Tennessee wears. I love man's dude.
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Mams Taylor
I come here today to give you some news. Some of you want.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
What is the chessboard looking like?
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Podcast Host
Chess.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Look at that.
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Mams Taylor
Like it?
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Some of you will, okay, but you'll.
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Mams Taylor
Understand because it's coming from a place of truth. Misfits boxing has been around for just over three years now. Three amazing years. We've achieved some incredible accomplishments.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
When KSI said, it is crazy, I know I'm pausing a lot. It is crazy to think that Misfits has been around for three years. 2022. I remember it like it was yesterday. It was incredible. I mean, there was so much potential and hype for this company, and this card was insane. And KSI, with the two fights in one night, don't really know if that worked out so good for Swarms. And it kind of did for Swarms and Pineda. I'll be honest, and then you had. Kafuzi was on that card. Deji was on that card. Chris Eubank Jr. Was on broadcast team that night. True Jordy legend, by the way. A guy that. That doesn't get enough credit in this scene. A guy that should be a part of this scene still. Keemstar was there freaking everybody. It was insane. That was one of my first massive opportunities as well.
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Podcast Host
Wow.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Three years later, man. Insane.
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Mams Taylor
When KSI said, I want a box, I said, let's have your own ip. You don't need to work for a anyone. Let's create our own ip. I came up with the name Misfits Boxing. I coined the phrase crossover boxing. I put everything together. We had a tremendous run. KSI was fighting two, three times a year. And then KSI said, hey, I need a break from boxing. The break was over. It was time for him to fight. He got sick. He hurt his hand, fell. Fair enough. Then it happened a second time and almost sank the ship of misfits.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Ma' am is kind of turning on KSI here. You hear him in the first part of this thing go, you know, I built the name or I created the name. I coined the term crossover boxing. I handle all of the details. I did a lot of this. Ma' am's like puffing his chest out saying, listen, KSI, you know, he just kind of showed up. I did all the work behind the scenes. This is my shit. That's kind of what I'm getting at here. Now I can't even believe what I'm seeing. You have to take a lot of this, I think with a grain of salt, because you. You know what misfits and what mams likes to do. Very much entertainment factor, very much. We're gonna get you to buy in because of a storyline here. Is that what I'm seeing? Am I seeing a storyline created right in front of my eyes here? Because if there's one person I had known mams to never turn on ever, it was KSI and vice versa. Versa, right? There's been multiple opportunities for that to happen, and both guys have stayed loyal. That's a massive trait of both of them guys.
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Podcast Host
They.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
They stay loyal to people that are loyal to them. But this is interesting. This is interesting. I'm getting worked here. I know I am, but I think it's hilarious. It's awesome boxing.
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Mams Taylor
And since then, it's been a tweet here, a story there. That's it. He's the CEO. Where's my misfits gonna go from here? It's got to be a two way street when you have a partnership and this is a one way street and this street is going down. I won't allow Misfits boxing to go down.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Hey, he ain't lying. Hey, hold on again, this is probably a work. You know, saying this is probably like a storyline, but we're talking about promoting this company now, is it? KSI's full on responsibility, he has other things to do. But you know what I'm like, man, you know what I mean? There's a tweet here, there is a story there. You know, he ain't lying. KSI, you know, he has the sidemen, he has baller league I think is what he does now. He has Britain's Got Talent and obviously prime and he's just doing a lot of stuff. So yeah, you know, his attention hasn't been on Misfits as much as somebody like Mams who is pretty much full in with this thing. So even when I know this is probably a storyline, he's still taking some little slick shots like, hey, I'm gonna tell the truth a little bit here. I'm gonna get my shit off KSI. If you watching, just. Just know that I meant it, all right? Just know that I meant it. Okay, ma', ams, but I had a.
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Mams Taylor
Board meeting earlier this morning and KSI, you are no longer the CEO of Misfits Boxing. You have been relinquished of your duties as CEO. We need a new CEO.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Okay, so Mams had a meeting of the Misfits board of which KSI was not invited to and they have unanimously approved the removal of KSI as the CEO. So out of here. So I tend to look at this and split it down the middle. Yes. This is probably storyline. This is definitely a WWE type of work. And on the reality side, gets KSI done with the company? Probably not. Is it going to take more of a backseat role? I think this promo is telling us yes, which I find even more interesting when you look at this in a realistic way. This probably does mean KSI is going to take steps away from the company as being maybe the face of it as someone that's going to be on the, you know, day to day involved with it and he's going to focus on other things while still having his connection, probably more behind the scenes. No offense, but does he bring a ton to Misfits if he's not fighting? Are you tuning in to watch KSI? Watch the cards. You know what I mean? Like what is he. Are you tuning into the press conference? To see him sitting in the middle. I'm just saying it's not the worst idea if he's not going to be fighting, which I think as of a couple of days ago. Leo, you can find the tweet. I'm pretty sure KSI said he still hadn't scheduled hands hand surgery yet, which I could do a whole nother video on. But I think it tells me KSI not only is not going to be fighting anytime soon, he may never fight again. Because if he's not gotten hand surgery now to get ready for, you know, a fight in the new year, these things when you tend to put them off and you have other ventures and other projects that you're passionate about and more and more and more you lean into those, eventually you will find your way away from the sport because you have to be locked in to be boxing. You just have to have to. And if you're not going to commit to even getting the hand surgery, which again, I'm not saying he should if he's got these other things he's doing, but if you're not going to commit to that, if that's not something that's priority number one or two on your list of things to do, it tells me not only is, are you not prioritizing that, but that ipso facto means you're not prioritizing fighting. And we knew that kind of beforehand, but now it kind of reinforces that. So I don't mind this. Take it for how you want in storyline or not. It's probably a good thing that they're trying to jumpstart something in this company. I like it. But the question now becomes in storyline, who's gonna be the new CEO? I think I know, but a CEO.
- [54:50]
Mams Taylor
Who'S going to dedicate their life to this brand. A CEO who's going to fight for this brand in the ring, out the ring.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Mans is like, I'm fighting. It's me. He strips off the jacket, now he's got boxing gloves on. I've been hitting the punch machine. It's my time.
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Mams Taylor
And that CEO is here. That's. Oh, please welcome on you CEO.
- [55:20]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Oh my God. Oh no, dude.
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Podcast Host
Say hello to your new CEO. I wouldn't say it was a hostile takeover, but it was certainly planned. And man.
- [55:32]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Oh my God. Andrew Tate is the in story line new CEO of Misfits. All right, before we even hear the spiel, actually, should we just let him do his thing? Let's. Let's hear Andrew Tate spiel. Then I, I'll give you my thoughts? Because I think I know where this is going to go. I think. But let's, let's watch.
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Podcast Host
Hams and I are going to be working together to finally put Misfits where it belongs on the world stage. The largest disruptive force in sports entertainment history. So considering that somebody who failed at their obligations to make this organization as big as it should have been has been ousted and I'm the new CEO, I guess it's my job to make the most entertaining fights. Who's the person who everybody wants to see fight? Who's the guy I can sign that everybody will tune in to watch Fight? It's me. Isn't that convenient? Quite easy. I heard he's a great guy. Easy to work with.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
It's me. All right, so. So a couple things I'm seeing. We're gonna, we're gonna. I know I'm gonna let it play in a second. But number one, Tate's playing a role here, clearly as his way of being introduced to the Misfits fan base. I will say this is going to be very controversial. And like ma' am said at the beginning of this, some people are not going to like this at all. Because of the allegations, because of the things that surround Andrew Tate as far as his reputation, as far as the. Like I said, the allegations against him with all of the different ones across his entire life, it seems like. And the controversy that comes with that. Right? There's a lot, a lot of controversy that comes with Andrew Tate. But he is also one of the most popular people on the planet, bar none. Andrew Tate, even now in 2025, is one of the most talked about people in this kind of crossover thing, space, whatever. Whether it's politics, whether it's pop culture, whether it's even fighting, people do forget that the guy was a somewhat accomplished high level kickboxer. Now he's not only in storyline but going to to become CEO, whatever that means. But what this really tells me is that Andrew Tate is going to have not only opportunities in the ring, he's going to probably have some influence on these Misfits events. I mean they are going to Dubai. I don't even think Andrew Tate can compete in. Morning, Zoe.
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In the UK right now. Definitely not in the us I could be wrong, but that's already an influence. And also, you hear how he's taking little shots at KSI. I could be wrong about this. This could be a way of, like, distancing KSI, like I said, from the company early on, just because he's got so many obligations. But. But this also could be potentially, if they're looking for a KSI fight not soon, but down the line, new CEO, old CEO, I mean, it's straight out of WWE. It's straight out of the actual Vince McMahon playbook. Vince gets ousted from the company and Eric Bischoff takes over. And Eric Bischoff is there and he's the new CEO for a couple of months, for a year. And then all of a sudden, Vince music hits here he comes back to take his company, right? Or he has someone like stone Cold fight on behalf of him. I don't know. But if we're talking about, like, storyline stuff when he's taking those little subtle shots at KSI, that's what it makes me think. But this is wild. I mean, this having Andrew Tate be the main character of Misfits, I don't think I ever saw coming. I saw him, you know, fighting on Misfits. I. I mean, we called this a couple of weeks ago. It was pretty much a done deal. And I thought he would even do it beforehand. I thought he was going to fight Jake Paul in 2023. But having him be the main character, let me tell you something, it is going to get spicy online again. It's going to be good. It's going to be bad, but I guarantee you people will not be indifferent about Andrew Tate just joining Misfits. People are going to have something to say regardless. I haven't even been online yet, but I can almost guarantee there is a complete whirlwind of people talking about this because it's almost unbelievable that he would fight again, but now, not only that, he has some sort of influence in the company, potentially, allegedly. I don't know, it could just be for show, but still, they're putting an event on in Dubai for him. He's taking the main stage here. Let's keep it going.
- [63:47]
Podcast Host
So for that reason, I myself, myself am going to be fighting as CEO on the next Misfit Show, December 20 here in Dubai. And if I'm gonna fight, I mean, it's been a while. If I'm gonna train and get in there, I may as well do it for a belt. And if it's gonna be for a belt, it may as well be for the biggest one. So I as CEO, order a mandatory title defense for the heavyweight Misfits belt between myself, Andrew, the top G, King Cobra, Tate against Chase d'.
- [64:16]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Amore.
- [64:16]
Podcast Host
You don't have a chance and you don't have a choice, Chase, you have to do it.
- [64:21]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
That's kind of a nasty line. You don't have a chance or a choice, Chase, you gotta do it again. It's Andrew Tate and this is going to be controversial for sure. I just, I like the idea of bringing in a CEO that is going to fight and he's picking matchups for himself. Again. It does remind me of WWE esque heel work. Like, I'm going to pick a fight, I'm going to put myself in the best opportunity and I'm gonna pick whoever I want to fight and then at that point they gotta fight me. Guess why? Because I'm the boss around here and you don't have a say in the matter. It's kind of like I said, it's, it's Tate, but it's also the, the idea behind it is a pretty ingenious one. If you're just falling in love with the storyline, if you're just taking the storyline for what it is again, in reality, this is Misfits way, in my opinion, of making a big fight for Tate, of giving attention to this fight for Tate, and Tate is going to promo the shit out of it. He's already done a better promo right here, no joke. And I don't even mean this to be like, oh, Tate versus KSI. But this is one take into the camera. And this is better than anything KSI has ever done when it comes to promoing his fight, potentially or any other. I'm sorry, this is where Tate's strong suit is and not necessarily where KSI's is mandatory.
- [65:27]
Podcast Host
So I strongly recommend you train. You may be younger than I am, you may be more active, you may be bigger, but everybody has a plan until they're punched in the face. December 20th, Misfits, our largest show ever produced here in Dubai, and I will be headlining myself.
- [65:52]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Okay, so there it is. The Fight Before Christmas. Really nice poster, by the way. Okay. Misfits. Misfits Mania. The Fight Before Christmas, headlined by Andrew Tate, Chase D'. Amore. December 20 in Dubai. All right, so we kind of knew that part. That part part. You know, we had done a video on a couple weeks ago, knowing that that was coming down the line. I did not expect this part. This. This again, I think, storyline, version where Andrew Tate performs a hostile takeover of Misfits. That's a nice wrinkle. Again, Andrew Tate, very controversial. A lot of. A lot of people are going to, you know, walk on eggshells when it comes to this one because they just genuinely don't know what to think about Andrew Tate. Now, this is just part of the storyline going on here, right? Because right after this went down, I saw what I'm about to show you guys now on Twitter, you see Andrew tate here. Misfit CEO, Combat Executive Officer. I like that. So KSI, as soon as this was tweeted, put out these 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 tweets. And when I tell you I got flashbacks and not in a good way, I. I was seeing demons. When I saw this Twitter timeline light up with KSI tweets, it took me all the way back to my situation with KSI. I'm just lucky this time I wasn't the one on the other side of the gun. All right, KSI was taking shots. First off, he said, lol to this Misfits boxing thing. Then he said, this year, people are trying to test me for real what the actual. What is going on? This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. Let's make Andrew Tate the CEO of Misfits. Are you serious? Then he comes up with, you know, legit, can't be asked. Then, you know, f mams. Then he says, this one bro has been focused on Misfits rather than managing me. Me and you decide to do this. This is interesting, because do I think KSI is playing into it? Yes, a little bit. I think that this entire like f Mams this year, people are testing me. What's going on? Dumbest thing I've ever seen. I think those are a little bit of like, okay, like again, because I believe this is more of a way to take something off KSI's play. I think this is KSI going, you know what, what I'm bringing to misfits right now isn't necessarily as valuable as what I can do in other places. But I still want this thing to grow. I still want it to be a big thing. How do I it do do that? Well, I'm going to take a back seat, Mams. You go full on creative. You do something with this that doesn't have to involve me and I will, you know, I'll be over here, whatever. When you need me, I'll be here. That's what I think's happening. But when I, when I see this one right here, bro has been focused on Misfits rather than managing me. And you decide to do this. I kind of believe this is a little bit of a shot. A little bit. Because Mams took a little bit of a shot. I think they talked about this behind the scenes, but I think this is a little bit of a shock because KSI has mentioned, mentioned, you know, he hasn't been able to do music recently that was out of his control, something like that. And then, you know, obviously he can't fight right now and he's just doing videos. He's clearly frustrated about something. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the position he's in, if it's waiting, whatever he needs to be doing. But he's clearly hinted at and, you know, we'll see if we can find the tweets. He's clearly hinted that he's been frustrated this year, that this year has not gone well for him, that he can't seem to, you know, get it right this year. But next year is going to be his year. So there's something going on that I don't know if this is about, if it's, you know, using that to build this big storyline. I have a feeling that everybody's kind of in on this and they're all playing nice behind the scenes, but maybe not really in front of the crowd because we're trying to build a storyline here, but that storyline. I think again, I could be wrong if KSI does. And I'm saying right now, if I'm putting percentage out there, I think 20% chance KSI ever fights again. 20 to 30. Based on the fact he's not got the hand surgery, based on the fact that he's not really pressing to get the hand surgery. Based on, on this kind of move, which I think is more window dressing to kind of oust KSI from being the face of the company and then having someone step in there. I don't think you'll box again unless he just gets, you know, he gets the hand surgery and starts to feel better and it works out. But there's so many factors. But if he was. They're leaving the door open for this potential old KSI CEO taking back his company. They're leaving the door open for that, I think. Now let's take a look at some of these interview clips from Andrew Tate talking about the entire situation. So let's, let's, let's hear this.
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Podcast Host
Why choose Mrs. Boxing? Well, KSI tweeted something that annoyed me about three years ago. So, long story short, I took his company from him and considering that I'm the largest name on the planet, if I'm going to fight on an organization, why not fight on an organization I own a percentage of? It makes a lot of business sense. I also intend on.
- [70:14]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Does he actually. Okay. I still think it's a work. But did they actually give him a percentage of the company? Did they really do it? I would have been shocked had he not said that specifically, but I don't know. Andrew cut a promo like it was nothing. So he could be a fantastic worker. There's no way they gave him an actual percentage of the company though, right? Maybe. I don't know anymore. I genuinely have no idea. The only thing I can remember from KSI and Andrew Tate three years ago, obviously the sexual assault allegations that Andrew Tate, I think it's maybe still going through. I don't even actually know where those cases are or what the details are there. But I want to say that Tate got banned or maybe he got arrested at that point and he was in prison or he was going to prison and KSI tweeted something like karma or like, I don't remember. It was something around that I'm pretty sure. Or like, you know, Tate getting ratioed by Greta Thunberg. I'm not exactly sure, but it was something super personal at Tate at the time and maybe that that's why he's held this grudge again. It could be storyline. It probably is, but I'm trying to just think back of what he would even be Talking about, I think there's.
- [71:15]
Podcast Host
A lot of fantastic names on Misfits. There's a lot of people who are already doing fantastically well and they can do even better. I think we can become even bigger as an org. My intention is to make the org a lot bigger than it is and make sure everybody gets paid even more money. So why not? I mean, I, I'm approaching this as a businessman, I'm approaching this as a fighter. I see the potential in the future of this. I think that, that, you know, celebrities fighting or influencers fighting just seems to keep growing. So Misfits have already got a fantastic platform. They're already in a great place and I think with my help we can take it to the next level.
- [71:45]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
I'm very interested. Again, he's talking like he legitimately wants to help out behind the scenes as well. I'm, I'm so interested. I have to know, like, I have to know if this is real. I don't know if I got to interview Mams, if I got to interview Andrew Tate, I don't know. But I have to know how legit is this? Is he actually a part of the Misfits? Guys, I might have to go and interview KSI. I know this is like, it's going to seem like me trying to like, whatever, but I think I need to know what is this, is this real? I want to sit down with all three of them and figure this out. Maybe not at the same time, but all three in separate interviews. You guys let me know if you'd want to see that. Is this how, is this how KSI and I finally dap it up? Because I genuinely don't know what's happening. Andrew is talking like he is legitimately the CEO. My head wants me to go, no, Wade, you're getting worked. Don't fall for this. But then again, he's talking about like the stuff he actually wants to do behind the scenes here. It's so odd.
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Podcast Host
Let's talk about this then. You fight December 20th, but surely it's not just a one time thing, right? Surely you've got a plan in your back, your mind that you want to have three, four, five fights. What's on your mindset here? How many? Well, there's a lot of people who need punching in the face and this is the world we currently live in, you know, and I know there's a long, long list of people and no matter how well I perform on the night, there's going to be people with an opinion who said, ah, you know, Chase isn't experienced enough or Andrew didn't look that good or he looks sloppy or whatever. There's always going to be somebody with something to say. There's a lot of people who've been saying my name already, and I'm sure they're going to pop up trying to catch a payday, because I'm the biggest payday in sports entertainment today. There's no doubt about that. Darren Till's tried to already catch a payday off my name. But, you know, it's a. It's a beautiful world and there's plenty of targets. There's plenty of people who genuinely deserve to. Deserve to feel damaged. Who are these targets you keep mentioning? Let's name some names. I'm capable of dishing out damage, right? God has blessed me with the capability to hurt other people, and a lot of people deserve to be hurt. So we're going to see what happens after the 20th. We're going to see what date and what person deserves to feel the wrath of Andrew Tate. And if I have to hurt somebody, I'll hurt somebody, because I'm a professional. That's what I'm paid to do.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Okay? So the only name mentioned there is Darren Till. But I have a feeling I just. I predict these things. I think that depending on what happens with not Only Tate on December 20, we have Jake, Paul Gervontae, Tank Davis in three weeks now, maybe less. Something just tells me that in 2026, there's going to be opportunities for Jake to move around and do what he wants. Obviously, Tate and Jake were years ago supposed to face off and have a little brouhaha, right? You guys remember in Dubai, I was there when they faced off. It was for Deji and Floyd's card.
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Podcast Host
It was wild.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
There's something more to this than just Chase Damore. You have to know that there's something chased him more than this behind the scenes planned for Tate. And again, you have to get through the first one. And Chase has fair play to him. Gotten better over time, but there does seem to be a little bit more behind. Here's Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan Tate on potentially tag team boxing. Let's look at this.
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Podcast Host
Would you guys ever consider doing a tag team? Is that something you would ever be tempted to. To two brothers? It'd be very historic. It'd be historic.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Yeah.
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Podcast Host
We're open to the idea. Why not? Are you open to that, Tristan? It would be very interesting to do. I don't think tag team works in real sports, though. Sure. In wwe, it works, but I don't.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Think in a real fight sport there.
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Podcast Host
Would be any system where a tag team would be feasible. Mrs. Boxing does tag team boxing. Does it really?
- [75:02]
Podcast Co-host/Analyst
And you have your own.
- [75:03]
Podcast Host
Yes. Ah, well, you're the CEO, Andrew. You tell me, would you want to make that happen? I'm the CEO.
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Podcast Co-host/Analyst
Maybe. Yeah. Let's do it. Do it.
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Podcast Host
Let's, let's find the right opponents after December 20th. That's my number one focus. When that's done, I'm open to anything. The Paul brothers, Logan Paul and Jake Paul versus Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate. You know, Logan's actually. Sorry, Jake's actually a friend of mine. I've got to know him very, very well. I'm not afraid of the Paul brothers at all. And, you know, if it came down to Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate versus Jake Paul and Logan Paul, the Tates win every single time in every single way.
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I don't know. I don't know about that. But I tell you, I would watch it. I would absolutely watch it. That'd be some pretty entertaining stuff, but. Okay, let's talk about it this way. What do I think about this entire thing? Number one, I do think this is storyline. I think this is Mams trying to inject life into misfits boxing. I think it's a very risky play based on how the audience reacts to Andrew Tate, who we know is very controversial, who we know has a lot of allegations. We know is someone that everyone is going to have a reaction to, good or bad, and that is what you're hoping for. This is going to cause a wavelength, a reaction, a sonic boom through the Internet. And I think it will, right? Especially if Andrew Tate wins. He still has to win, right? He's going to do the promo. He's talking like he's actually part of this, like he actually has a stake in misfits. I want to get to the bottom of that. That's what I want to know more about. Not the whole CEO. Like, yes, that's a fun storyline and I'm, I'm all in with the story. I'm ready to see where they take it. I, I'm gonna want to watch that as a fan, but I want to know for real, like, what is the play here? I want to interview KSI. I want to interview Mams and, and see, like, what is really going on here. But on that note, you still need to go out and win for this whole experiment to work and not blow up in your face. Tate has to win versus Chase Amore who I listen, I know Chase hasn't been fighting long and he's not necessarily the most technical but he's a big dude, he's strong, powerful, he touched you with the right hand, it's going to hurt you. Right. So you still have to win the fight. But oh man, this is going to be controversial. This is going to be interesting to see the reaction and I'm going to start right here with you guys. Guys, what do you think of this? Because I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Not Tate fighting but this storyline of Tate coming into the company. KSI going off on Twitter. I think again that's more storyline but there might be some real feelings behind it. Just like mams with the dripped out cowboy gear was the one shots KSI's way again. Does this mean they're going to try to have KSI sit out come back for a big time fight in the future? Are they going to set Andrew up for a big time fight? Potentially if he's going to get past Chase Damore against people from outside of the company. I wonder what does this mean for Misfits relationship with Dazn? Because I know Dazn has a lot of influence as to who they let on their platform. And Andrew Tate, again massively controversial has been banned off a lot of platforms. Will he be allowed to be on this? Is this misfits going in a different direction? I don't know. I'm just wondering how long is left on that deal now? I think it was a five year deal. Are we. We're still two years left in it, so I don't know but that's another thing to, to to consider like how where is this going to air? I didn't see a zone logo anywhere in this trailer, which I'm not saying that thing but does it? I don't know. You guys let me know though as well down below. What do you think of this? Andrew Tate is coming to Misfits. He's taken over by Storm. The new CEO KSI is pissed. He's gone apparently. Allegedly. And it's probably more storyline than it is real. But what's really going on? That's what I want to know. What is really going on behind the scenes? I need to get to the bottom of this thing and I think I'm going to try to do it. You guys let me know what you think. What happens on December 20? Who else is on the car? Don't have those answers yet but I know know is going to be interesting as Far as how you guys react and what the next steps are, guess we'll. Folks, welcome back to the way concept presented by the Ring magazine. And today we have breaking news. Jake Paul, Gervonte Tang Davis. The fight is in jeopardy and it's for a reason that I think you all could believe, but maybe can't believe is happening again. This fight is only two and a half weeks from going on. November 14th is the date we are supposed to think that Jake Paul and Gervonta Davis are going to be fighting on Netflix. But ah, not so fast, my friend. There's another, yes, I said another domestic abuse allegation against Gervonta Davis and that may either destroy, postpone change. The entire event is happening in real time. So we have to talk about it. What is going on with the Jake Paul Gervonta Davis fight? The breakdown. Let's go.
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First off, I just want to say I was starting to get more into this fight as we got closer to it. I've seen videos of Jake Paul training with the likes of Ray Ford, Montana Love, Shakur Stevenson and others in his camp. I saw a picture. No video. I would love to see the video of Jake Paul sparring Shakur Stevenson. I want to know what's going on down there in Puerto Rico. I've told you guys this many times, Jake takes these fights very, very seriously. And I just thought, okay, this, this is going to get a little more interesting than I previously thought. I thought it would be a bit of a mismatch, a bit of a, you know, boxing experience to Gervonta Davis. Jake bringing the size and power and we're going to get one of these stalemates where no one wants to take a real risk and both guys are going to get paid. Turns out no guy may get paid or Gervonta Davis might be kicked off the card because we have a new not champion, a new domestic violence abuse allegation against Gervonta David. There's been a lot of allegations against Tank and some of those have been dropped that others have not really been pursued and you don't really know what's what behind the scenes with people. But when things like this happen over and over, I think this is his fourth or maybe fifth allegation of domestic abuse. You kind of start to have to look at the person that's being accused of such and go, why do you keep ending up in these situations and the way it's described? We've even seen Tank do some of the things already on camera. But let's get into this thing and then we'll just go right into the report from Chris Mannix here. Show Shout Out Mannix. Obviously you guys know him as a commentator with the Zone. Covers boxing, covers basketball as well. For si, Chris Mannix on Twitter says Netflix and reps for Jake Paul have been exploring potential replacements for Trevonta Davis, Sources familiar with the situation told SI. Now Paul Davis, scheduled for November 14, is in limbo after new allegations of domestic violence against Gervonta Davis. I was in the car, I didn't know if this was real, but I had seen a report and this came out, I think on October. It came out a couple days ago, but it was from October, October 27th. And there was a civil suit over domestic allegations just two weeks ahead of this fight. This is from Andreas Hale, our guy over@espn.com he essentially wrote the article on it and went into details. So let's take a read. Gervontae Tank Davis has once again found himself in legal trouble just two weeks before his exhibition fight. And yes, it was going to be an exhibition, though it was billed as a exhibition with, you know, a winner in lose loser. But let's be honest about it, two guys, massively different weights, massively different experience. It was going to be an exhibition. On November 14, a new civil lawsuit filed in Miami Dade county has put the WBA lightweight champion in hot water over another alleged domestic incident. I'm not going to cast dispersions about the differences between the civil and criminal here. I'm not sure why, if there was an actual domestic abuse case, why there aren't being criminal charges filed. Maybe this is a better way of going about it it but I, I, I don't, I don't really know the, the ins and outs of why you do one versus the other. I mean a criminal charge would obviously be more severe and would be, you know, getting the actual criminal punishment that Tank deserves for if the domestic abuse allegations are true. I know there's been allegations and criminal allegations in the past that haven't necessarily worked out or whatever have the case is. But this one is a civil lawsuit. So not a criminal charge we're talking about here, but a civil lawsuit. And according to the lawsuit acquired by espn, Davis is accused by ex girlfriend Courtney Rosal of battery, aggravated battery, false imprisonment, kidnapping and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Now kidnapping, aggravated battery, false imprisonment, I'm pretty sure those, those get into felony charges should they have been criminal. But we're talking about a civil lawsuit Here, which again, I'm a little confused on why that part is happening. But as we read here, this lawsuit comes two months after Davis's previous domestic violence case was dropped by an ex girlfriend and mother of two of the boxer's three children. So this is two months after another allegation was dropped. So there wasn't any charge or anything there. But Tank seems to find himself in these situations or, you know, be the perpetrator potentially in some of these situations over and over and over. And as much as I love Tank as a boxer, as much as I think he's one of the most talented boxers, one of the most skilled guys in the, in the sport itself, he is a massive, massive screw up. I mean, unbelievably a massive screw up for the guy with his amount of talent, with his amount of popularity and eyeballs that, that drift to him in this sport. A true potential star in this sport to have these types of issues over and over. When you talk about change in your life and not being a violent person anymore and not wanting to box and raise your kids and do this. And again, I'm not even trying to do the personal stuff, but how do you keep finding yourselves in these situations after an allegation earlier this year and now another one? You know, if it was one or two, I could start to go, okay, well some people are plotting on him, whatever, you know, that can happen. But this is just too much of a coincidence when things are happening over and over and over again. He is just a computer complete screw up. Get $50 million on the line and potentially we're not even going to see the fight. Now I don't know what's going to happen. No official reports on what's going to go down with this fight. Is Tank still in the card or not? We don't know. But this is just unbelievable, man. I never can understand when athletes do this stuff. We continue. ESPN also confirmed with one of the woman's attorneys that a report was filed on Tuesday with the Miami Gardens Police Department. Messages left with the department were not immediately returned to espn. So they have filed a report which would be, you know, escalated to potentially, if evidence was found found by Miami Gardens Police Department that would probably be elevated to potential investigation of the said aggravated battery, false imprisonment, kidnapping. So they've not only filed this civil suit, but they also are pursuing criminal investigation at least. And that's up to the police department. So I guess we'll see there according to the complaint. Now here is where it gets brutal. Here's Where I look at this entire thing because I've read this lawsuit or at least part of it, to know that it gets really, really, really ugly here. And this is where I say that this isn't just a happenstance thing, at least in my opinion, because we've seen some of the similar qualities that are being alleged in this lawsuit that Tank has shown on camera before, I think at a celebrity basketball game years ago. But let's read this. According to the complaint, Davis allegedly stormed into Toosies Miami gentleman's club where Razul worked as a VIP cocktail server in the early hours of Monday and attacked her in a back room of a club that did did not have cameras. She says Davis dragged her through a stairwell, kitchen and the back exit before physically assaulting her in a parking garage. Now, I don't even know if I can show this video on YouTube, but there is a video. I don't remember the year, but a girl, whoever I think Gervonta was seeing at the time was at a celebrity basketball game. He walks directly up to where she is sitting and snatches her up and drags her out of this basketball gym in a similar way that's being described here. And usually when you have have someone that in this case is alleged or has committed a crime that continues to be put in that same position, they usually act the same way if they have not learned from said mistake or gotten help for said issues or just that same person. Now again, I'm not trying to allege this or that. I don't know the situation. But that sounds a lot like what we've seen Gervonta do. At least the dragging of someone out of a venue, a female out of a venue, aggressively with physical intent to harm. We've seen that before. This is why I can't look at this situation and go, yeah, she's probably lying. Yeah, you know, this is probably not what she's saying it is. We've seen on camera something really similar and this is not the first or second time he has been accused of domestic violence. We've seen it. 1, 2, 3, 4. This would be the fifth time I think that we've seen this from Gerate Davis. Does that sound like a coincidence to anybody? Roswell said she was in a five month relationship with Davis prior to the incident and cited multiple, multiple instances of domestic abuse, violence and threats made by the fighter concerning her safety and well being. Roswell said in the lawsuit that there were quote, at least four previous incidents in which Davis quote, physically assaulted and choked her on two occasions, she said Davis threatened to kill her. I mean, this is just awful. Again, allegations. I can't prove any of this to be true, but if it is, this is awful behavior. This is complete and utter disregard for the position he's in for another human's life, for the position of just any relationship, any family, nothing, no thought about it. Just a bad, awful person. And someone that if this is true and all these things are true, should be locked up. You can't have people committing domestic violence over and over and over and over and act like things are going to change because they're a star athlete. Can't happen. But like, what. What lesson does that teach it for people that are going to say, well, how do you potentially postpone or want to change an event over a civil lawsuit? This is why, when you open the civil lawsuit, when you look at companies like a Netflix or an MVP or partners or brands or sponsors that want to be involved with this type of event, do you think they're going to be okay with a guy that repeatedly. Not in the past. Because Mike Tyson had allegations and ended up being charged for very severe. I mean, we'll just say it was rape back in his day, and he went to prison for this recent. When you're doing something like that or alleged to be doing something like that, and you have a history of those allegations or. And we have a history of seeing the physical, just call it what it is, battery that you can put on females outside of the ring. I don't think that's something that Netflix is wanting to be a part of at that point. And I think that even Jake, who is. And not even really clowning, but being like you're a domestic abuser on stage to Gervonta Davis, like, talking about putting his hands on women. I don't know if Jake wants to be involved with somebody like that. Yes, Tank is a massive star in boxing for sure. And again, I can't sit here and act like this is fact, because I don't know. And I can't sit here and go, oh, well, you know, lock him away and throw away the key. I can't do that either, because I don't know. But if this turns out to be true, then will it have been a great look for Netflix to have him? Would it have been a great look for Jake to have. Do they believe he would even make it to the fight? Are criminal charges coming? Like, that's another thing we're not talking about. Are criminal charges about to be levied, which is why they're starting to look for potential replacements. We have documented, apparently evidence or at least testimony from Roswell here, the first of the incidents, talking about the two occasions where she alleged David's said he was going to kill her. I guess here's one of the first incidents that took place on September 2nd when Davis allegedly threatened to kill Roswell for not responding to his calls and text messages. A second incident took place on September 23 this year and she says Davis accused her of infidelity and texted, I'll kill you. Later that day, Davis allegedly physically assaulted Roswell, choking her in public at Playa Miami, a restaurant in the Lincoln Road shopping district. If someone is willing to. To physically abuse another person in public. Again, alleged, I don't know. I don't know if camera's caught this. I don't know. We've seen him do it before in public around people. What in God's name is going on when people can't see, when there is no threat of someone stopping you calling the police, eyewitness, Anything else? If Gervonta is that comfortable allegedly potentially assaulting this female and others in public, what's happening when they're behind closed doors? And to me, again, when I read some of these statements, it makes it more plausible that the things that are being said about him that happen in public and, and maybe not public are actually happening because he's so brazen about. We continue. The suit says that Davis sent Roswell a text message after this week's incident stating, quote, I'm on my way to your house, which Roswell interpreted as the boxer heading to her home to continue assaulting her. Lawsuit says that Roswell is currently suffering from ptsd, anxiety and extreme fear while saying that she is living with others because she no longer feels safe alone and is actively seeking therapeutic treatment to address the severe emotional and physical harm caused by Davis. The attorneys are demanding compensatory and punitive damages along with a request for jury trial. Davis has had numerous run ins with the law over the years, including charges related to domestic violence, fleeing the scene of a car accident. Several of his cases have been dropped, but he was sentenced to a 90 day house arrest and three years probation for a 2023 hit and run case in Baltimore. ESPN reached out to representatives for Davis who have yet to respond. ESPN also reached out to representative for Jake Paul's Most Valuable Promotions to see if this lawsuit would affect the status of Paul Davis at the Kaseya center in Miami on November 14th. Most valuable promotions did not respond to the request for comment. So that is where we leave that part of the story. Now, if you're asking questions on why would they cancel this event purely based off an allegation, I kind of already talked about it. If you're Netflix, if you're some of the sponsors involved with this event, if you're MVP and Nikisa and Jake, if this thing, if you have more information about it, then we, the public do now. And I don't know if that's the case or if they know that charges potentially are coming. You have two weeks to make a decision. We just learned in the last fight that Jake had against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. They arrested Chavez the day after Jake fought him. Meaning had the LAPD or whoever ICE I think is actually who had gotten to him, had ICE agents found Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. A day earlier, the fight would have been canceled. They deported him. They said they didn't know about. About it. I don't know if that's the case. But if they took Julio Cesar Chavez away a day before the event, would the event even happen? And MVP has had a. I don't want to say had a history, but they had a misfortune. I will say Jake has had a lot of misfortunes around his events. Tommy Fury pulling out two weeks ahead of time. Tommy Fury canceling an entire event set in New York. Short notice. Tyron Woodley, short notice. Other fights as well. Short notice. Mike Perry after the, the Mike Tyson situation happened. So they've had to kind of change gears on the run multiple times before. And this is maybe another instance of that. And it's one of those questions that I think would probably be better answered, like, do you want to keep the event on the date November 14th? Do you want to move it back? You want to wait and see what happens with the legal process? Or do you want to seek out other opponents? Which looks like, again, according to Chris Mannix, that's what they want to do. They're going to seek out other opponents. Now, what that tells me is if they're looking already, then they're moving past the Gervonta Davis fight. That's what it tells me. And I don't know that that's the case. I don't have any sources. But there wouldn't be need to look for other potential opponents. If you were confident that Devonte was either going to make the walk or that you are confident in the decision to keep him in the main event, to keep him for this event and for the powers that be, Netflix MVP sponsors Whoever that they would be confident still running this event if he was on the call. The fact that they're already looking tells me the red button has been hit or, you know, the hand is hovering over it right now. You get into the corner question of who is going to be a replacement opponent for Jake right now, and the answers would be in my mind on short notice if it were me. And this would be a bitter pill to swallow. And I don't know that Netflix would want to do this. And I don't know really how that works. I would postpone the event. I'd move it to January, I'd find someone else. January, February, whatever. I'd find someone else in a quick turnaround time to give them eight weeks to train, 12 weeks to train, whatever. A Tommy Fury, by the way, would be my option if it were me. Again, there's probably so much more going on behind the scenes that I don't know, but if it were me, Tommy Fury would be the guy I'm calling and I'm giving him eight to 12 weeks to get ready and we're running it right and it's a massive expense and everyone's going to lose money and it's going to be a problem, but I don't know who you get in two weeks. Anthony Joshua is not fighting on Netflix. He is exclusive to the Zone. Francis Ngannou, I really don't know. Someone mentioned Francis Ngannou. I don't know how that would work. Carl Frach could be an option. Carl Frach would be, you know, a decent enough name for them to get for Netflix. Have a bit of the UK behind it. Again, you're talking about eight weeks now. A little more than that. So how, how quickly could you turn that around? I would have said Andrew Tate, but Andrew Tate looks like he's locked up for December, so you can't really do that and you wouldn't be able to do it in the us so that's a no go. You know, you could try to, to throw as much money as possible at a guy like KSI and do that. I mean, people would go crazy for that. I don't think KSI can fight right now though, because of the hand and he needs surgery. I mean, I'm running through the list here, guys, you know what I mean? Like, who else is there? I can't come up with the name worthy of Netflix available right now. Jorge Masvidal. Maybe a Nate Diaz rematch. Yeah, I, I, I can't think of anyone. Who else is there right now? You Built this whole thing around Gervonte and then the plan was to go into 2026 and think about KSI or Anthony Joshua or, you know, wherever else you go from there. But now this throws a massive wrench. And by the way, this is twice now that Gervonte Davis has kind of been the reason for them not being able to see schedule this event because Gervonte goes out and has the stinker against Lamont Roach. Roach fought really well, I thought, won the fight. They can't do that. They have to wait a little longer. Jake goes and fights Julio Zither Chavez and now they're trying to do this. But man, I, I almost feel bad for Jake. I do because this isn't his fault. He's done everything he should do for this as he kind of always does. And the other side once again is a complete screw up. And I, by the way, I want to say this. People were talking about ticket sales and while ticket sales, sales, at least from my perspective, I don't have the numbers behind the scenes. They don't look good. They do not look good. And that was another part of this. They moved the fight from Georgia. Georgia didn't want any part of it. They're in Miami. Ticket sales didn't look great so far. Again, maybe you have a massive walk up fight week, but I'd heard there was a lot left and you know, if you go on some of these resellers, it looks like there's a lot of seats left. But do I think that would be the reason that somehow this article would come out now and this, these talks would come out now? I don't think so. It seems like again, not even seems like the allegations is from the night of October 27th. This just happens to be awful timing. I think it's a massive coincidence. I really do. And I don't think ticket sales are like a driving factor in this. They were bad, or at least from what I was seeing, they were bad. But I don't think they didn't have anything to do with this. They were probably hoping for and planning for a massive close during these last two weeks and then the walk up on fight night to be better. And it probably would have been. It probably would have been better. I mean they're two massive stars. So those ticket sales probably would have picked up and I think would have done relatively well. Well or pretty well into fight week. But the build for this has been very slow. It's been very start stop. People don't know when the fight's been, what place the fight's going to be in, they're doing different venues and all that. And then you have this, which again, I think is a coincidence. And it's all again, the allegations coming out when they happen is one thing, but doing it again, allegedly. If you're Gervonta Davis on the October 27, doing it again, being put in this position and failing again, he is an unbelievably bad screw up as an individual. If all this is true and the more that things line up with the things that are being said about him and previous video altercations that we have and how dark and sadistic, I'm going to kill you. Aggravated battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, keeping people held hostage. This is a bad dude. And I don't mean in the sense of like he's the best fighter, whatever. I mean he's bad person if this is what's going down. And again, it's not just one allegation. It's not just two allegations. This is five allegations, most of which sure have been dropped. But how many more are going to keep happening with the same pattern of behavior over and over before someone says enough is enough? And maybe that's what's happening here. If that's what happens, by the way, that's a hard decision to make because you're basically throwing away your event. But kudos to them, honestly, kudos to Jake, Nikisha, Netflix, whoever. If they find out that this stuff is true, if they have more information than we do, and I'm not saying saying it is, if we find out it's all allegations and false. I've seen fighters fight while fighting allegations, fighting charges. I've seen that happen before, athletes in other sports as well. But if they find out this is true or they have more information and they decide we can't allow this to be on our platform, kudos to them because that, that's the right move. Again, it's that that gray area between what's the allegation and what's the truth behind it. But that's where we're at right now. It's a civil suit. As of right now, apparently the plaintiff or you know, the victim, victim is going to pursue criminal charges as well. But as of right now, according to Chris MANNIX over at SI, because of the domestic abuse allegations from October 27th, just a couple of days ago, Gervonta Davis is now being sued by his ex girlfriend for battery, aggravated battery, false imprisonment, kidnapping and intentional infliction of emotional damage. And according to Chris Mannix. The event runners For Netflix Paul vs Davis are looking for potential replacements for this fight. They don't have answers yet. We don't even have any names yet. We have no idea what's happening yet. All we know is that this event is in serious jeopardy. And I'm taking this super serious because when someone like Mannix writes it, he's not blowing smoke up your ass. He is telling you the truth. So you better listen. I don't know what's going to happen with this, but I know what you guys are going to say. Y' all probably want this thing canceled. I just feel like. I feel like it's that. That sucks for Jake as as much as maybe people didn't want to see the fight. He did everything he was supposed to do. What do they do next? Can they find a replacement? Who would it be? I don't have those answers. And. And I have no idea what happens. But guess we'll find out. What's that sound?
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