What's Wright - Belichick Hall of Fame SNUB, Giannis DONE with Bucks? + top LANDING SPOTS | Nick Wright NFL/NBA

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Episode: What's Wright – Belichick Hall of Fame SNUB, Giannis DONE with Bucks? + Top LANDING SPOTS | Nick Wright NFL/NBA
Date: January 30, 2026
Guests: Nick Wright, Damanze (Co-host)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into two of the biggest stories in sports: Bill Belichick’s shocking first-ballot Hall of Fame snub and rumors swirling around Giannis Antetokounmpo’s future with the Milwaukee Bucks. Nick Wright and Damanze dissect the reasons and repercussions of Belichick’s exclusion, break down the NBA trade market for Giannis, and touch on key NFL coaching moves. The episode is marked by Nick’s trademark wit, historical perspective, and honest takes on sports’ evolving narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bill Belichick’s Hall of Fame Snub

(Begins ~05:13)

Voting Mechanics & Possible Rationales

• Process Explained: Only one coach is eligible for voting to the Hall of Fame per year. Every voter gets three votes among five “finalists” (one contributor, one coach, three senior players).

  • If voters use all three votes on players, the coaching candidate (Belichick this year) can be left out.
  • “There’s a lot of ways a deserving candidate can lose a vote or two, but in order for Bill Belichick not to be elected, he would have had to lose at least 11 votes. You need 40 of the 50.” — Nick Wright (13:44)

• Spygate’s Shadow: Nick posits the only plausible explanation for Belichick being passed over is the lingering consequences of cheating scandals, mainly Spygate:

  • “I can feel he should be in, but I can understand that other people may not.” — Nick Wright (15:31)
  • Some voters may have viewed this as a “penance” for those scandals, denying him first-ballot status without dismissing his overall candidacy.

• Generational Awareness:

  • Many current players and fans have little memory or knowledge of Spygate; this snub could rekindle historical scrutiny.
    • “There’s a generation of people, including active players, that didn’t know two things about Spygate and are now learning about it.” — Nick Wright (14:30)

Reactions & Ramifications

• Public Outcry:

  • “Everyone from Tom Brady to Jimmy Johnson to Patrick Mahomes to LeBron James to Troy Aikman… was unanimous in how outrageous Belichick’s snubbing was.” — Nick Wright (12:23)

• Knock-on Effect for Other Coaches:

  • Because only one coach makes the ballot per year, Belichick’s spot is locked up until he’s inducted, blocking others in the interim.
    • “If you’re Kyle or Mike Shanahan or Tom Coughlin… Well now, that ain’t going to happen.” — Nick Wright (14:24)

• Unintended Consequences:

  • Positive: Bill Polian made to look foolish over inconsistent stories about his vote.
  • Negative: Inductees like Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, and Robert Kraft will have the focus shifted from their own moment to Belichick’s absence.
    • “The story of the 2026 Hall of Fame induction will not really be about who is getting in, but about who is not there.” — Nick Wright (24:08)

Rule-Bending Suggestions

• Nick floats the idea of one-off Hall of Fame eligibility rule changes to celebrate unprecedented greatness.
  • “If they said, ‘Hey, new rule, any player with five or more Super Bowl rings…’ — that’s not gonna be like oh my God, so many guys, it’s gonna apply to [only] Brady.” (20:47)
  • Suggests a class with Gronk, Brady, and Belichick all inducted together.

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2. Giannis Antetokounmpo: Is His Run With the Bucks Over?

(Begins ~31:28)

Current Landscape & Suitors

• Giannis, after 12+ years in Milwaukee and currently injured, is reportedly seeking a trade. Several teams have made aggressive offers.
• Teams mentioned: Warriors, Knicks, Heat, Timberwolves, Hawks, Rockets, Spurs.

Potential Fits and Trade Scenarios

• Knicks: Unlikely because, “They have no picks to trade. All they can give are swaps and players.” (31:43, 44:09)

• Warriors: Can offer four future first-round picks and Jimmy Butler (to match salary), but Nick isn’t impressed:

  • “If I’m Milwaukee, I hate that trade package.” — Nick Wright (49:38)
  • Doesn’t believe the Warriors would become favorites by swapping Butler and Kuminga for Giannis.

• Heat: Would have to include Bam Adebayo, leaving a shallow team: “That to me does not put Giannis markedly closer to a title.” (35:24)

• Hawks: Intriguing because they possess key Bucks picks and can offer, “the New Orleans pick this year, which might be No. 1 overall, and Milwaukee’s first next year.” (34:13) But Hawks not among frontrunners.

• Spurs: Perhaps the most compelling; they could offer five firsts, none of which are their own, and keep their young core. “To build with me and Giannis on the court at the same time sounds insane.” — Damanze (38:12)

• Rockets: Their offer centers on Brooklyn’s and Phoenix’s 2027 picks plus Alperen Sengun, but Sengun’s fit with Giannis is questionable.

• Thunder: Nick suggests OKC could swoop in with a monster package if their playoff run disappoints.

What Will the Bucks Do?

• Nick: “The Bucks should ask Giannis what his five favorite destinations are and say, ‘We will do our very best... but we can’t just let you pick.’” (44:23)
  • Tanking doesn’t help Milwaukee since their own picks are already traded. Their best deals are with teams offering both picks and young talent.

Memorable Exchange

• “Do you give the Lakers even a 5% chance of landing Giannis?”
  “Absolutely not. There’s no way for the Lakers to get Giannis without trading Luka.” (64:41)

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3. NFL Coaching Carousel & AFC North Hierarchy

(Begins ~49:52)

Bills Promotion:

• New head coach is promoted from within (former OC Joe Brady). Nick is skeptical:

  • “I’m always nervous about these: first-time head coach, calling plays, big job, not everybody can do it.” (50:06)

• Also points out that in their last three playoff losses, the Bills had the ball when it mattered and scored zero points (despite Joe Brady calling plays).

AFC North Landscape:

• New Hires: McCarthy to Steelers, Jesse Minter to Ravens, Todd Monken to Browns.
• Hierarchy: “Ravens one, Browns last, then I don’t know right now Steelers or Bengals two.” (52:47)
• Steelers’ move shows they aren’t interested in tanking for a QB, and McCarthy will at least keep them solid. Browns’ process is a mess due to ownership issues.

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4. Remaining NFL Openings and Coordinators

(Begins ~60:00)

• The Raiders (with #1 pick) and Cardinals jobs are open; Philly OC role remains vacant because many fear Sirianni will be gone in a year.
• Davis Webb may stay in Denver as OC, and ex-Vikings OC Clint Kubiak is expected to get another shot.

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5. LeBron’s Future

(Begins ~61:29)

• LeBron’s emotional return to Cleveland sparks rumors of a third stint with Cavs.
  • Nick’s gut: “If LeBron plays another year and it’s not with the Lakers... it’s Cavs or Knicks.” (62:12)
  • “He is still pretty easily one of the 20 best players in the league... If he goes to Cleveland or New York, that’s a better fit than the Lakers as presently constituted.”

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Notable Quotes

• On Belichick:
  “If I were a voter, I would have voted for Belichick. Spygate was not, to me, such a mortal sin that it overshadows what is an unimpeachable resume of coaching excellence.” — Nick Wright (13:44)

• On Generational Amnesia of Scandals:
  “I do think there is a generation... including active players in the league, that didn’t know two things about Spygate and are now learning about it.” — Nick Wright (14:30)

• On Hall of Fame rule changes for unprecedented greatness:
  “I’m all for one-off rule changes that impact one person as a testament to their greatness.” — Nick Wright (21:04)

• On Bucks’ Pick Situation:
  “One of the big keys here is Milwaukee does not own their own picks… bottoming out does not allow them to replenish their assets as quickly.” — Nick Wright (47:35)

• On the Warriors’ prospects with Giannis:
  “Is the gap between Giannis and Jimmy Butler so massive that it takes them from miles away from contention to championship caliber? I don’t think so.” — Nick Wright (48:05)

• On AFC North Hierarchy:
  “I think it is very clearly Ravens, one; very clearly Browns, last.” — Nick Wright (52:47)

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Section Timestamps

• Hall of Fame Snub Discussion: 05:13 – 29:00
• Giannis/Around the NBA Trades: 31:28 – 49:38
• NFL Coaching Carousel & AFC North: 49:52 – 54:48
• NFL Remaining Openings: 60:00 – 61:29
• LeBron/Cavs Discussion: 61:29 – 64:41
• Listener Q&A: 64:41 – 66:40

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Listener Q&A Highlights

• Lakers landing Giannis? “Absolutely not. There’s no way…without trading Luka.” (64:47)
• Belichick Snub = Precedent for Sean Payton & BountyGate? “He might have to wait and I don’t think that would be outrageous.” (65:25)

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Tone & Style Notes

Nick brings his usual blend of deep-dive analysis and sharp-edged, humorous takes. The tone is candid, sometimes irreverent, and always confident, with an eye toward historical context and future ramifications.

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This summary captures the episode’s central debates, key arguments and personalities, allowing listeners to get the whole story—even if they missed the show.

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[Co-host]

All right, so the reports came out that Bill Belichick was snubbed from the hall of Fame and from the outside looking in like a newer fan like myself. Belichick isn't getting in. It's, it's a little weird. All of his accomplishments. What, what do you make of this situation?

[Damanze]

So, you know, it's really interesting. I didn't know you were going to Say that at in the offset about a newer fan, but it is a intriguing angle to it because there are people, and you're 27 years old, your age, there are players in the league your age and younger that probably have no recollection at all of Spygate. And I do not want, and I am not going to relitigate the ins and outs of Spygate. I don't think that is a good use of our time. But the reason I bring it up is that is the simplest explanation as to why Bill Belichick was not a first ballot hall of Famer. And I understand Vi Gregorian, the columnist for the Kansas City Star who has a Hall of Fame vote, he wrote a column explaining he was one of the people that did not vote for Belichick. And it had nothing to do with Spygate, with the cheating scandals that it was. Simply, here is the way the hall of Fame works. Just so everybody understands the regular hall of Famers, the ones that Drew Brees is up for induction, Larry Fitzgerald, that players that retired recently, they have this giant list of eligible people to consider. They whittle it down to 25 semifinalists. They then whittle that down to usually, I think, 10 to 15 finalists, and then at most five people from that group make it. There is then a separate procedure, but with the same voters that consider five other finalists. Those five other finalists come from three buckets. They will consider one contributor finalist this year that was Robert Kraft, one coaching finalist this year that was Bill Belichick, and three senior committee player finalists, meaning guys who did not make the hall of Fame through the initial proceeding but now are eligible again through the senior committee. And those three finalists were Elsie Greenwood, Roger Craig, and gosh darn it, put it in the doc. I forget who the third other senior committee finalist was. And the way it works is for those five finalists, each voter can vote for a maximum of three people. Now, you can split that however you want. You can vote yes for the one contributor, one coach and one of the players. One of the three players. Or you could go two players and one coach or two players. Ken Anderson is the other player finalist. I forgot. Or you could go all three players. Vi Gregorian explained he didn't vote for Belichick, and it was because he thought those three players were hall of Fame worthy, that if they didn't get in now, they were likely never going to get in. He thought because they're not guaranteed to be the three finalists next year. And so he voted. He uses three votes for them. I think there is Also the possibility that this was unintentional in this regard, that people in that room demand, say, were like, you know what? I'm sure Belichick's getting in. So I don't want to use. He doesn't need my vote. So I'd rather use my vote because I'm a big Roger Craig guy and I think he's not going to get in. That could happen. There's a lot of different ways that someone who is a deserving candidate can lose a vote or two. But in order for Bill Belichick not to be elected, he would have had to lose at least 11 votes. You need 40 of the 50. And while everyone from Tom Brady to Jimmy Johnson to Patrick Mahomes to LeBron James to Troy Aikman, everyone was unanimous in how outrageous Belichick snubbing was. I saw the news and I said, well, I suppose I understand. And the reason I understood was because I read it as he lost some amount of votes because hall of Fame voters felt like this was their opportunity and maybe for some people, their responsibility to punish him for at least one of, if not multiple cheating scandals in which he was not only embroiled, but in Spygate adjudicated by the NFL to have orchestrated, benefited from and he was penalized for greatly. They find him the most the league can find, Coach. Half a million dollars and they took a first round pick from the team. Those were massive, massive penalties. And this, my opinion on this might sound counterintuitive or incongruous. I hope it doesn't. If I were a voter, I would have voted for Belichick. Spygate was not to me such a mortal sin that it overshadows what is an unimpeachable resume of coaching excellence. But I can feel that way while also understanding that others may not. I also can feel that way and I do not think it is contradictory for many of the people if we. I do. I would not find it Contradictory if the 50 hall of Fame voters from this year were the exact same 50 next year and next year Belichick got in unanimously. Because I do think one could argue that if you were a Hall of Fame voter, you might feel like, yes, Bill Belichick deserves to be in the hall of Fame, but we would like to deny him the minted distinction of first ballot hall of Famer, that that is the penance for Spygate. And I don't find that outrageous. Now there is damanze a real knock on effect of Belichick not getting in this year because if, If People understood and were paying attention to the way I explained the way the the current voting process works. Each year there is only one coaching candidate that becomes eligible that that will not is eligible but that gets voted on. So if you are Kyle or Mike Shanahan or Tom Coughlin and you have hopes of being a Hall of Famer or I guess in theory Mike Tomlin could be eligible next year but I would imagine they would make him wait because they think he might be coming back to coach. If you are one of those coaches and you assumed Belichick gets in this year and then next year, you know, maybe I'm the coach who's nominated and I could get in. Well now that ain't going to happen.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Damanze]

Because this year the coaching candidate Bill Belichick didn't get in and next year the coaching can Belichick will hold that spot I would think as the coach that comes up for vote every year until he gets in. So there is a real knock on effect to it. The other knock on effect. That is what I was getting at when you first mentioned this at the beginning of the show. I do think there is a generation of people including active players in the league that didn't know two things about Spygate and are now learning about it. Yeah, there's like wait, so what happened? And fair or not that will put a slightly different light on that first half decade plus of Patriots dominance. And I don't think that's unfair. It happened that was and I understand Jimmy Johnson saying we all tried to do it and this that again I'm not trying to rejudicate Spygate but the NFL found out the Pats were doing it, told them to stop and they did not stop. And then Even in the 20 like 2017 there was a real sketchy were you guys pretending to film a a team documentary and actually filming the Bengals sideline during a Bengals Bears game before they played you guys that happened in the league had to step in. The Patriots played with fire. Whether it be deflate gate which fell at Tom Brady's feet, Spygate which fell up Belichick seat or any of the other things that were more allegations than proven throughout their run. And it is not nearly enough for me to be like vacate the trophy titles is strip them of the banners. I'm not saying that. Not even close to saying that. But I understand if a Hall of Fame voter said this is your penalty and I don't think it is.

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[Damanze]

Jeopardy nor do I think it is outrageous if the voters at the hall of Fame said, listen, yes, we understand that this was adjudicated almost 20 years ago, but we haven't ruled on it. We have not had our say on it. And we are therefore. And again, this is the. Assuming that this was the reason he missed out on at, you know, enough votes to not get to 40, some folks said, no, the, the cheating bothers us because I don't think there's any other realistic explanation as to why he would miss out on at least 11 of the 50 votes. And I don't.

[Co-host]

Oh, the thought that go ahead, other guys should get in, you know, thinking that Belichick was going to be there next year and get this guy in. Now, it's also, I think, you know, making it a personal thing like that. I just think is a little. Is the guy first ballot or not? Like for in that guy's case, that he's saying that, oh, I wanted this other guy to get in, but in that, I just think that if the guy's first ballot.

[Damanze]

Yeah, I don't like. I don't like that explanation. I don't like the explanation of I'd rather make this guy wait because this guy might not get another opportunity. Yeah, I mean, I. Again, everyone's entitled to their own process on it. I don't like that explanation. I. It's bad luck for one of those guys. But with respect to L.C. greenwood, Roger Craig and Ken Anderson, if we are simply saying those two guys plus Kraft and Belichick, you can only vote for three of them and the cheating is not factoring in right. Then Belichick must get one of your three votes. He must. And then you have to go make a tough decision on the other two. Now, Damanza, you know, I promoted the idea of this year putting craft in, and I think he might get in. And then next year, when Gronk comes eligible, either having Gronk and Belichick wait an additional year to win, Brady's eligible, or the hall of Fame, which is going to have to do a lot of it would appear, because my opinion's in the minority, you know, kind of PR fixing over the next few weeks and months. I. They could also simply say, hey, we're adjusting a rule. By the way, if you win more than five Super Bowls, we are shortening your mandatory weight for hall of Fame eligibility from five years to four years. So Tom Brady's eligible next year and putting Gronk, Brady and Belichick all in together. My initial idea was and have the other three player spots go to guys who have been Multi time finalists or semifinalists, Adam Venatori, Rodney Harrison, Vince Wilfork and have an all Patriots class. But at the very least having Gronk, Brady and Belichick all go in next year would be sick. And I, I'm all for one off rule changes that impact one person as a testament to their greatness. Like if they said hey, new rule, any player with five or more super bowl rings, you don't have to wait the full five years. That's not, it's not gonna be like oh my God, so many guys is gonna apply to no Brady. And it was, it's similar, it's, it's of the same thought process that if Adam Silver came out and be like by the way we changed a rule over the summer that in any Circumstance where the NBA's all time leading scorer is an active player, he is an all star that year just. And by the way that would only apply to LeBron right now and next year. Like the I think these one off rule changes can be guys are doing.

[Co-host]

Stuff that hasn't been done before and.

[Damanze]

You don't have to and if some, if that rule ever applies to anyone else, it will be because of their, you know, unfathomable greatness. And so we'd be fine with it. And so that's my, that's where I fall on this. Now I will say this. There are two unintended consequences of this Belichick snubbing. One I find to be positive, one I find to be negative. The positive one is this. I think this is Bill Polian's Emperor has no clothes moment. And I don't mind that. I've never been a Polian guy. Bill Polian hit the jackpot in his team, had the number one pick when Peyton Manning was coming out, and then in my opinion did a very poor job building teams around Peyton to the tune of Polian's whole philosophy was we're going to build the best team imaginable to play with a lead and to play indoors, which was awesome most of the time. But you were not always indoors in the playoffs and you did not always have the lead. And that along with Peyton's own shortcomings, is why they didn't win as much as Bill Polian also is a patient zero of what I consider to be a near decade long outrageous Lamar Jackson discourse. Because he's the guy who said Lamar should play wide receiver instead of quarterback, which then had a rubber band snapping impact on how Lamar is discussed positively and negatively today. And Polian has made a total fool of himself in this process. He told Sports Illustrated, I'm 100% sure he sold Sports Illustrated. I voted for Belichick. He then half hour later told ESPN, I can't quite remember. I'm 95% sure. And then the next day read a prepared statement on serious being like I voted for Belichick. So Polian being made a bit of a fool of is just a happy accident of this. Maybe the other unintended consequence to Monze that I think is a bummer is for the guys who do get in this year. So Drew Brees is going to get in, Larry Fitzgerald is going to get in and whomever else does, Robert Kraft is probably going to get in. The story of the the 2026 Pro Football hall of Fame induction will not really be about who is getting in and it will be about who is not there. And that's a bummer for them. And that's you know that's the it.

[Co-host]

Just all everybody's talking about with this.

[Damanze]

One correct and so does and especially for those senior committee guys like the while it won't be accurate that all of them took Belichick spot, it will be at least somewhat accurate that one of them did. And so and we won't know who. So whether it's Kraft, Ken Anderson, Roger Krieger, L.C. greenwood, it'll just not feel quite right. And so that's, that's a shame of it. Again, I think he should be in, but I understand why some voters might have felt differently. Today's show is brought to you by representing sponsor Hard Rock bet, Florida's sportsbook Big game matchup is set. I cannot wait to see Pat's Seahawks. Hard Rock BET has all the different ways you can get in on the action on next Sunday's game. I told you guys I'm I'm liking the JSN anytime touchdown. It's right around even money at minus 115. I also later in the show I'm going to tell you guys my the one other futures bet that I've already made and it is, well I'll explain it when we get to it. It's an all timer. It is I am, I am betting the under on something where the total is set at less than 5. So we will get to that in tomorrow's show Tom but that'll be it's it's a must bet if you ask me. If you haven't signed up with Hard Rock Bet, there's never been a better time. This week they're launching a brand new offer for new customers. Plus, Hard Rock Bet is kicking off its 7 million dollar big game bonus party available to all users. You're not going to want to miss that. And if you're in Florida or Jersey, the Big Game Energy doesn't live just exclusively on the app. Head to Hard Rock Casino property for drawings, giveaways and all the excitement leading up to kickoff. Hard Rock Bet also offers new promos every day, so if you're listening to this later, just open the app and check out what they've got. Any day of the week Hard Rock Bet Download the Hard Rock Bet app and make your first deposit today. Payable and bonus bets Not a cash offer offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida. Offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. Must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia. To play, terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1833 play wise in Indiana. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem wants help, call 1-800-9 with it gambling problem call 1-800- gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio.

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This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? It's your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect podcast network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild.

[Damanze]

Who?

[Nav Green]

Your MVP right now. Then Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy. Matthew Stafford.

[Podcast Host]

Where did Bo Nicks at?

[Damanze]

He ain't too far behind.

[Podcast Host]

He did all this talking.

[Co-host]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Podcast Host]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever, you get your podcast.

[Brad Palumbo]

The social media trend that's landing some gen zers in J. The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her fired.

[Damanze]

I'm going to take Francesca off the network entirely.

[Brad Palumbo]

The massive TikTok boycott against Target? That makes no actual sense.

[Podcast Host]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

[Brad Palumbo]

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

[Damanze]

So refreshing to have a press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

[Brad Palumbo]

You won't hear about these online stories in the mainstream media media, but you can keep up with them and all the other entertaining and outrageous things happening online in media and in politics. With the Brad vs. Everyone podcast hosted by me, Brad Palumbo. Every day of the week, I bring you on a wild ride through the most delulu takes on the Internet, criticizing the extremes of both sides from an independent perspective. Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad vs. Everyone podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast podcasts.

[Damanze]

All right, Damonte, let's talk a little hoops here.

[Co-host]

End of an era. Giannis currently hurt, been on Milwaukee Bucks for 12 and a half years, is asking out of Milwaukee per se. There's been aggressive offers from the Warriors, Knicks, Heat and the Timberwolves. What are we making on this?

[Damanze]

Well, so I don't. Let me just start with the Knicks. I don't see how the Knicks can make an offer Milwaukee would be interested in because they have no picks to trade. They can give them swaps like I the so that's the one that I don't. I understand why Demons A the Knicks would want to do it obviously, but I don't know why Milwaukee would be interested.

[Co-host]

But the warriors though, the war. The war. I mean I heard they were also in Jimmy Butler. I get there.

[Damanze]

Well so that would be to. Yeah. So here's the thing on the warriors. The warriors at least can trade picks and Milwaukee might want to, you know, full on rebuild. So that to me though also like Butler and Kaminga. Plus let me see the picks that the warriors have available. So I think it was first, I guess. But yeah, so the warriors can trade four firsts. They can trade their firsts in 26, 28, 30 and 32 and they can trade swaps. So they could do, you know, a massive, massive draft pick deal. And the warriors could, they would include Jimmy Butler because it's the only way to make the salaries work. So I think it's basically the framework of it would be Butler and Kaminga for Giannis and I think Kuzma and that's how the salaries line up and then you trade a bajillion picks and I don't, I don't think that is a great deal personally. And Milwaukee is in this weird spot, remember where them bottoming out does not benefit them because they don't have their own picks. They have traded or swapped their next four years of picks in Milwaukee. So them being awful, it doesn't allow them to replenish it. Which is why I have been promoting the Hawks trade which the Hawks have this benefit of they have the first round pick next year or this coming year that is the better of New Orleans and Milwaukee which will be New Orleans pick and they have Milwaukee's first round pick in two years. So if the Hawks were to move the the trade I came up with yesterday, Chris Staps and former number one overall pick Risa Shea for the New Orleans pick this year which might be the number one pick of the draft and Milwaukee's pick next year. That to me if I'm the Bucks is at least interesting. But the Hawks are not listed on these teams. My issue with the Heat demands a is I don't see a scenario why the Heat would be in a much better position.

[Co-host]

The amount of money they'd have to match right from there from their team.

[Damanze]

Right. So like what is this Heat team going to look like once you have made the trade to get giannis? The only first round picks they can trade are in 30 and 32. The you're I guess you'd have to include Bam but then it's just Giannis and Hero and like that to me does not put Giannis markedly closer to a title. So I there I really like the Hawks one if that's not what Giannis wants to do. There are, there's a Rockets one that's interesting and there is a Spurs one, both of which I discussed yesterday on the show but we can discuss here. So the spurs have okay the following picks that they can move off of. Atlanta's first this year and next year. Okay, that's interesting. Boston's first in two years, Dallas is first in 2030 and Sacramento's first in 2031. So the spurs can move five first round picks, none of which are the spurs picks, which is the key here. Like if you're Milwaukee you're like your team's about to have Wimby and Giannis and those in those great guards. Your picks are going to suck. So the spurs can include a bunch of potentially awesome picks. Like I mean the Sacramento picks a long way down the road, but an unprotected Sacramento first round pick is gold. Who knows what Dallas looks like in five years, who knows even what Boston looks like in three years and then Atlanta the next two years. Like that to me is interesting. And here is what I think is the most intriguing about the spurs offer to Monze that I came up with. They they can make the money work without trading any of their young guards. Barnes and Vassell get the money to where it needs to be. So you still have Fox, you still have Castle, you still have Harper. And that to me is if Milwaukee's like listen, we're going to rip it down and have these other teams picks.

[Co-host]

To build with me and Giannis on the court at the same time sounds.

[Damanze]

Insane would be bananas. So that to me is worth considering. Five first round picks, none of which are the spurs picks and the Spurs. So the spurs keep their own, their own picks and they keep their young players. That to me is a legitimate possibility. And then there's the Rockets one, which the Rockets have two potentially very valuable draft assets and they're in the same draft. Amazing. Not this coming year, but next year they have Brooklyn's first and Phoenix's first. Now Phoenix is building a little something, but Brooklyn is miles away. And so the Rockets that Brooklyn picks, very valuable and they can trade Van Vliet and I think you would then have to include Shingoon.

[Co-host]

You think that Steven Adams injury might force them to try to be extra aggressive. Rihanna.

[Damanze]

Well, or it might, or it might make them hit the, hit the brakes. They might say we're not quite as close, but amen Thompson, Tari Reed, Shepherd, Kevin Durant, Giannis. That to me is a real thing and real interesting. And Shingoon and Yannis, here's the thing, I'm sure they wouldn't want to. And if you're Milwaukee, you get Shingoon, who is a star and Brooklyn's pick in two years and you build it up from there. And Shingoon and Giannis to me, to Monte don't really fit together because now two of your five best guys are just non shooters.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Damanze]

And so that, that to me is interesting. And then I'm going to throw one other just possibility out there. Okay. And this possibility is if this postseason goes poorly for the Thunder. So this would not be a trade deadline deal. But the Thunder are in this really weird position where over the last two years they're awesome at full strength, but they are oddly unbeatable When Jalen Williams doesn't play, they're 34 and 3 over the last two years when J Dub doesn't play and he has a five year max that starts in the summer. So if Milwaukee waited until the summer, could the Thunder put together a package of Jalen Williams at his new max deal plus one other guy, be it Isaiah Joe, Aaron, Wiggins, Caruso, the other Jalen Williams, you know, whomever. And then they have so many picks. They have the Clippers first round pick this coming year, the Rockets first round pick this coming year, they have Phillies first round pick this coming year they have in 2027 the Clippers first round pick. They have the Mavs first round pick in 2028, they have Denver's first round pick in 2029 and of course all their own. So the Thunder could, they're not going to do anything now and they should. But if this if this doesn't happen at the deadline, then I would watch OKC pending on how their postseason goes. But those to me are Atlanta, Houston, San Antonio at the deadline are all so much more interesting than any of the four teams that the that have reached out to Milwaukee. And when we talk about.

[Co-host]

Go ahead.

[Damanze]

Oh, I didn't talk about the Timber Wolves. That's interesting. So Timberwolves problem is he's making a lot. They just don't. They just don't have the draft picks. And so I don't know how you make it work. I don't know what package you can build for the Bucks. That is super intriguing. And the Knicks are in a very similar bucket where. I'm sorry, I'm scrolling my Google Doc about the future draft assets, but then let me find where the Knicks are on here. The Knicks have traded away all their picks and so all they can offer you is swaps and players. So like it would really have to be something close to like Giannis for Cat and that don't make any sense for the Bucks. So I don't know how the Knicks make it happen.

[Co-host]

Do you expect so.

[Damanze]

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Co-host]

Do you expect the Bucks to send Giannis where he wants or just to get the most value out of him?

[Damanze]

I think the Bucks should ask Giannis what his five favorite destinations are and say we will do our very best to send you to one of those five, but we don't want you. Right. We can't let you. And you know what? Send us your 5 favorite. You could do it a couple different ways, but I think if it's like send us five places and we will work diligently with those five teams. But I don't think you can just let him pick because if he picks New York, yeah, you're just screwed. Like there's just. And I feel similarly if he picks Golden State, I just. If you're mill. The one of the big keys here is Milwaukee does not own their own picks. So that's the part that I just want to emphasize real quick about Milwaukee and what, you know, tanking and what it means for them before we move on. Here's Milwaukee situation. Okay. This coming year. They, this year they will have their pick. Unless somehow their pick is a better pick than the Pelicans pick. But they'll have. And then they'll get the Pelicans pick. This year though, they have their pick. In 2027, their pick goes to New Orleans or Atlanta. In 2028, their pick goes to Portland or Washington with Somebody else's pick coming to them in 2029. Their pick goes to Portland or Washington in 2030. Portland has the opportunity to swap picks with them. So 27. No, this year through 2030, but really 2027, because we know New Orleans is going to have a worse pick than Milwaukee this year after this upcoming draft if they. They either don't have their pick at all or they're going to have to swap their pick for a worse1. So bo just stone bottoming out does not allow them to replenish their assets as quickly. So I. I'm not certain he gets dealt with before the deadline, but if he does, the teams that can make the best trades are Atlanta, the Spurs and the Rockets and the warriors and Knicks, I'm sure. And let me ask say one other thing, and I don't know where you stand on this, Demons. I don't think that the warriors trading Butler and Kaminga, and I know Butler's out for Giannis, guarantees them anything. I still don't. I don't know that I would look at them as favorites in the west or even favorites to make the conference.

[Co-host]

Finals just because of the drop off of not having Jimmy Butler as well or just this.

[Damanze]

Well, yeah, I mean, that's. I guess I look at it like this. Let's just say Kaminga's a zero for them, right? The warriors, with a healthy Jimmy Butler were miles away from contention this year. Is the gap between Giannis and Jimmy Butler so massive? And it's huge that it takes them from. But it takes them from miles away from contention to championship caliber, right? I don't think so. And I am. You would really be testing the limits of the staff gravity when you're playing lineups of Draymond and Giannis in crunch time. You know, it's great as. And so I just. I don't think that is as sure. Now, obviously, if you're the warriors, you do it. But I'm saying I don't know if.

[Co-host]

It'S far from contention now. And then with Giannis, it'll just be like, all right, maybe they'll give somebody trouble in like the first or second round.

[Damanze]

That's how I would feel. I would feel like their ceiling would still be the. Probably the conference finals, maybe not. I'd have to see a play together and Giannis and Steph together. It'd be unbelievable. But I wouldn't look at that as it might be a juggernaut. But I also just. If I'm Milwaukee, I hate that trade package.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Damanze]

What you're giving me is this guy, your picks and a guy with a torn ACL and Kaminga, who, who you've been trying to get rid of. Like, I just, that's not a good package to me. All right, let's get back to the NFL.

[Co-host]

So at the end of Tuesday's show, we got the news that the Bills were moving their offensive coordinator up to head coach. So you've had a little bit more time to marinate on that. How much closer do you think this pushes Josh Allen to the Super Bowl?

[Damanze]

I don't, I, I don't know if it pushes him closer at all. And I'm always nervous about these and sometimes it works out. But this first time head coach that I'm going to be the head coach and I'm going to call plays and I'm going to like, it's a big job and not everybody can do it. And it was just really bizarre to me that the rationale for Moving on from McDermott was essentially too much scar tissue and too many brutal, brutal losses over the last few years. So we're just going to bring someone in who was in the building and promote him. And also I, I understand the defenses have been awful in these playoff losses. I get that. And you want to hang that on McDermott. That's totally fair. He's a defensive minded head coach. But there's two pieces that shouldn't be ignored. One is I expect the Bills defense in the regular season at least to take a step back without Sean McDermott, but they knew that going in and they don't know who their D coordinator is. Rap sheet. A couple days ago I, you know, lightly reported they were hiring Jim Leonard. And then I saw yesterday Jim Leonard's interviewing for a different defensive coordinator job. So they have not hired him yet. That's pretty clear. So the defense would worry me. And here's the other thing about those playoff losses. Yes, the defense let you down, but the offense, which was called by Joe Brady, had the ball down three or in overtime in each of the last three playoff losses and came away with a total of zero points. And that guy's now the head coach. And so I would be a little nervous if I were the Bills. I understand moving on from Sean McDermott, but it's a real risk and so it would make me anxious. Let's go to the AFC north coaching stuff before we keep going.

[Co-host]

Bunch of coaching stuff going on in the AFC North. So the Steelers now have Mike McCarthy, we got Jesse Mentor, the Ravens, and now the Browns have our old OC Todd Monken. What do you think the hierarchy in the AFC north should be with all this stuff going on?

[Damanze]

I think it is very clearly Ravens, one very clearly Browns last oh okay I was and and then I don't know right now Steelers or Bengals too? Because while listen Mike McCarthy you can say there's a ceiling and like they're going to be well coached and he's going to get good play from the quarterback position. Now I don't like the idea at all of them bringing back Rogers, but I don't think that's a fate accompli and the Bengals are just, you know, running it back once again. And so I listen this is to me demands a good the other we'll see how good Jesse Minter is. Yeah, he was the hot name. If you were going to hire a defensive coordinator, be the head coach, he's the guy you wanted. You got him. You know we don't know but be optimistic. Right. So the and so that's fine. The Steelers making it clear we're not interested in bottoming out to try to draft a quarterback and you know, building something that could be a contender I think is good for you guys like the Steelers will just, you know continue to be I at least for the time being, you know, okay, but not great.

[Co-host]

Not a threat.

[Damanze]

And the Bengals just running it back with Zach Taylor again is see the.

[Co-host]

Worst bananas coach in the division.

[Damanze]

Well, I don't know. I mean I got to see.

[Co-host]

I guess we got to see Jesse.

[Damanze]

Mentor and Jesse Minter too. But the, the Browns. I don't even want to talk about the Browns. The Browns process is so flawed and they hire a coaching firm and then they move. It's just so bad and the owner there is just so bad and makes it so hard to build any type of a winner. All right, let's. Let's. We'll keep going in a second. But first, are you thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone 17 Pro? You know, it's designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever, but you're also thinking about the traffic on your way to the store, the hassle of transferring all your data. Good news. When you order a new phone online with Boost Mobile, they'll send an expert to your home or work to deliver your brand new iPhone 17 Pro and get you all set up on Boost Mobile within minutes. No hassle. Visit boostmobile.com to get started. Delivery available for select devices [e-mail] terms do apply.

[Podcast Host]

What if mind control is real?

[Damanze]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you.

[Nav Green]

What kind of life would you have?

[Podcast Host]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Co-host]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Podcast Host]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Damanze]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Podcast Host]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Damanze]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Podcast Host]

Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Damanze]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Podcast Host]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[Damanze]

A homicide captain saying detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?

[Podcast Host]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[Damanze]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Podcast Host]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up man? This your boy? Nav GR stream from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Another team who ain't going to the playoff? The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh my boy. Matthew Stafford.

[Podcast Host]

Where did Bo Nicks at? He ain't too far behind he did all this talking.

[Damanze]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know, I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Damanze]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Podcast Host]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever, you get your podcast.

[Brad Palumbo]

The social media trend that's landing some gen zers in jail. The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her fired.

[Damanze]

I'm gonna take Francesca off the network entirely.

[Brad Palumbo]

The massive tick tock boycott against Target. That makes no actual sense.

[Podcast Host]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

[Brad Palumbo]

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

[Damanze]

So refreshing to have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

[Brad Palumbo]

You won't hear about these online stories in the mainstream media, but you can keep up with them and all the other entertaining and outrageous things happening online in media and in politics with the Brad vs. Everyone podcast hosted by me, Brad Palumbo. Every day of the week, I bring you on a wild ride through the most dulu takes on the Internet, criticizing the extremes of both sides from an independent perspective. Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad vs. Everyone podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Damanze]

All right, let's quickly get to these other stories before we get to the listener questions.

[Co-host]

So a couple head coach vacancies in the Cardinals and Raiders. And Raiders have the first round pick and a lot of coordinator spots still open, including Denver and Philly. Which one of these remain remaining spots interests you the most?

[Damanze]

Well, listen, I think the Raiders job's an interesting job because you have the number one pick. So that makes it, you know, if you believe in Fernando Mendoza, that makes it an interesting job. And Mark Davis will spend money, so that's first thing. Sean Payton firing his OC is noteworthy, and that's not that plum of a job because you don't get to call plays. So maybe they promote Davis Webb, but Davis Webb, who thought he might get a head coaching job, you know, might be like, I want to go somewhere I can call plays and that's going to be an interesting job to fill. But the fact that nobody wants the Eagles offensive coordinator job because everybody, I think the reasoning is everybody is worried Sirianni is going to be fired in a year. That is something to watch. That job's Been open a while. They've interviewed a dozen people. They don't have it. And I imagine Clint Kubiak is going to end up in Arizona or Las Vegas and then I have no idea who the head coach of the, you know, the final opening is. All right, let's talk LeBron for a second before we get to listener questions.

[Co-host]

LeBron had his homecoming last night and that was ruined by a 30 point blowout. But the reports, a lot of chatter about the Cavs potentially accepting him back into Cleveland if he leaves the Lakers. Where do you see him going? You see him going somewhere else?

[Damanze]

Listen, I, I, I don't think LeBron, I know he was very emotional last night, which made people wonder, like, is that going to be his last game in Cleveland?

[Co-host]

And.

[Damanze]

It certainly could have been his last game in Cleveland. I don't think it's likely. I think he plans to play another year. But when you're in year 23, like if, and you hate to even put this into the universe, but if LeBron suffered a bad injury this season, where it's like, ah, rehabs, you know, six to nine months, then his career's probably over, right? Like if the, and so I think he recognized it was on the board, that was his last time playing there and that's why he was as emotional as he was. But I don't think this is going to be his last year. And the Cavs, you know, at one point seem to publicly be like, no, we're, we're building this, we're good. We don't need Braun back because they won 50 games three years ago and then got clipped in round one. And then the next year they won 48 games and got gentlemen swept in round two. And then last year they won 64 games and they got gentlemen swept in round three. And this year they're good, but disappointing. 29 and 20. If LeBron plays another year and it's not with the Lakers, and I would imagine right now my money would be on he's going to play another year and my money would be on it's not going to be with the Lakers. It's just no insight, just my gut. I think there's only two real options and I think it's the Cavs or the Knicks. Two teams that thought going into last year and going into this year we have a championship caliber team and are now realizing no we don't. And say what you want of endless. Brown was not good last night, but he is still pretty easily one of the 20 best players in the league and can greatly impact winning in a lot of ways, particularly if he's on a team like Cleveland or New York that certainly is a better fit for him than the Lakers is presently constituted. So my I think him going back to Cleveland next year is a very real possibility for a farewell tour of sorts. And I don't think the Knicks is off the table. All right, let's do some listener questions here.

[Co-host]

Lakers fan in the chat are making packages to land Giannis. Do you give that even a 5% chance of happening?

[Damanze]

Absolutely not. There's no way for the Lakers to get Giannis without trading Luca. And while for this year and this year alone with when Austin Reeves is fully healthy, Giannis is probably a better fit on this Lakers team than Luca, you would be insane to trade Luke at his age with his upside for Giannis. And so and so they're not trading him obviously. So no, there's no way to get Giannis to LA without trading Luke and that's not happening.

[Co-host]

Jordan asked does this Belichick snub potentially make Sean Payton not a Hall of Famer because of bounty gate?

[Damanze]

Well, it's interesting. I mean it's certainly a set of Preston. He might have to wait and I don't think that would be outrageous. Again, I think Belichick's going to be a Hall of Famer, but he's just not first ballot. All right, keep going.

[Co-host]

Joey Asked Damanj do you think the new Ravens coach can get the Ravens back on track? I like that he was the defensive coordinator for the Chargers. I think that with Lamar Jackson we'll have the offense figured out so that at the very least. But hopefully Lamar Jackson comes with it next year. But yeah, but yeah, I do think there needed to be a change. I'm not mad at it at all.

[Damanze]

Yeah, it was. I think it can be true that John Harval is a good coach and also true the Ravens needed a change and I think moving on from Harval was good for the team's long term future with Lamar. All right, reminder everybody. Like Rate Subscribe Review to the show. It helps us out a ton. Our preseason gambling recap show plus my single favorite super bowl prop that's on tomorrow's show. So tune in for that Big thanks to Volume and to Blue Duck and of course our great sponsors Hard Rock BET and Boost Mobile. Talk to you guys tomorrow.

[Podcast Host]

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