What's Wright - Best Of - Bill Belichick SNUBBED, Giannis TRADE DESTINATIONS, Seahawks to Super Bowl | Nick Wright

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: What's Wright - Best Of - Bill Belichick SNUBBED, Giannis TRADE DESTINATIONS, Seahawks to Super Bowl | Nick Wright
Date: January 31, 2026

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Overview

This episode of “The Herd with Colin Cowherd” features Nick Wright as he dives deep into three major sports stories: Sam Darnold leading the Seahawks to the Super Bowl, Bill Belichick’s surprise Hall of Fame snub, and the dramatic NBA trade market surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo. Throughout the episode, Wright offers candid analysis, strong opinions, and lively banter with co-host Damonte, unpacking the impact and backstory to each headline.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Seahawks' Stunning Super Bowl Run (02:58–19:09)

Sam Darnold's Redemption

• Nick Wright breaks down the narrative surrounding Sam Darnold, who leads the Seahawks to the Super Bowl after years of being doubted.

  • “He continues to play the best football of his life. Who could have saw this coming outside of maybe like Colin Cowherd?” (Damonte, 02:58)

• Wright self-reflects on his own skepticism of Darnold and recognizes a turning point after Darnold's rocky middle-season games.

  • “In the biggest game of his life, the guy had the best game of his life. And if you can't give someone credit for that, then I don't know what the point of playing the games is.” (Nick Wright, 11:17)
  • He credits the coaching staff, particularly Clint Kubiak, for trusting Darnold to throw in critical moments instead of running out the clock (09:34–11:07).
  • Notes how Darnold wasn't just a passenger: “They did not feel like they have to coach around Darnold in this spot and they shouldn't have.” (10:58)

• Darnold’s journey is compared to other quarterbacks; debate arises over which teams should feel worse for giving up on him—the Jets, who drafted him, or the Vikings, who dropped him after a single successful season.

  • “I think it's going to be the Vikings… with the, with the Vikings, you literally just saw it last year and you dropped him.” (Damonte, 12:16)

Seahawks’ Roster Strength

• The panel agrees the Seahawks are arguably the best-rounded team, aside from quarterback, lauding their defense, receivers, and overall depth (13:19–14:56).

  • “They have maybe the best receiver in the NFL. They have a good running game. They've built their offensive line. That is a great, great team.” (Nick Wright, 13:21)

• Extended praise for receivers: Jackson Smith-Njigba (JSN) and Puka Nacua are hailed as the league’s top two (15:06–16:46).

  • “I think JSN and Puka have supplanted Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. I think it’s JSM, Puka 1, 2, Jefferson Chase 3, 4.” (Nick Wright, 15:41)

Darnold’s Place Among Top QBs

• Discussion shifts to where Darnold ranks among quarterbacks (16:46–21:14).
  • “Do I have him in the top five? No, I don’t. And the top five is going to be awful tricky because top six is easy…” (Nick Wright, 17:30)
  • Burrow is named as the likely odd man out of the current “big six” due to injuries and playoff drought (19:26–20:39).
  • Wright distinguishes between “best” and “most valuable to start a franchise,” saying he'd pick Mahomes, Allen, then Drake May, factoring age and longevity (20:40).

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2. Bill Belichick Snubbed from Hall of Fame (28:27–47:33)

Explaining the Snub

• Damonte introduces the controversy: “Bill Belichick isn’t getting in. It’s a little weird. All of his accomplishments. What do you make of the situation?” (Damonte, 28:27)

• Wright provides context for the Hall of Fame process and lists reasons voters may have excluded Belichick:

  • The most likely: Spygate and other cheating scandals as a “punishment” or “penance” to deny him first-ballot status.
  • Some voters argued for supporting overlooked players like Roger Craig or Ken Anderson, fearing they may never get in otherwise (29:25–33:00).
  • “In order for Bill Belichick not to be elected, he would have had to lose at least 11 votes. You need 40 of the 50.” (Nick Wright, 33:06)

• Wright clarifies his personal stance:

  • “If I were a voter, I would have voted for Belichick. Spygate was not to me such a mortal sin that… it overshadows what is an unimpeachable resume of coaching excellence.” (Nick Wright, 34:51)

• He also notes potential consequences:

  • The snub impacts other coaches (e.g., Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan) since Belichick will likely continue to occupy the lone “coaching finalist” slot until he gets in (36:55).
  • The newer NFL generation may now learn more—or form impressions—about Spygate due to the snub (39:00–41:05).

On Voter Rationales and Fixes

• Wright is skeptical about arguments that deprioritize Belichick in favor of others just because “this guy might not get another opportunity.” (41:26)

  • “If we are simply saying those two guys plus Kraft and Belichick, you can only vote for three of them and the cheating is not factoring in… then Belichick must get one of your three votes. He must.” (41:26)

• Offers creative fixes:

  • Supports a “Patriots class” in the Hall of Fame (Gronk, Brady, Belichick all going in together), with a rules tweak for immediate eligibility.
  • More broadly: “I think these one-off rule changes can be… as a testament to their greatness.” (Georgia Hardstark/Nick Wright, 43:53)

• Highlights unintended consequences:

  • Positive: Bill Polian’s credibility is questioned due to contradictory statements about his own vote (44:35).
  • Negative: This year’s Hall of Fame inductees won’t get their due, with attention focused on Belichick’s absence (47:33).

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3. NBA: Giannis Antetokounmpo's Trade Market (53:02–71:15)

Giannis Requests Trade – Who’s a Player?

• Damonte lays out the scenario: Giannis is requesting out of Milwaukee after 12+ years, and aggressive offers have come from the Warriors, Knicks, Heat, and Timberwolves (53:05).

• Wright breaks down each suitor:

  • Knicks: Unlikely, as “they have no picks to trade. They can give them swaps… but I don't know why Milwaukee would be interested.” (53:21)
  • Warriors: Can offer picks, plus Jimmy Butler (for salary match) and Kaminga, but Wright isn’t impressed: “If I’m Milwaukee, I hate that trade package.”
  • Heat: Matching salary would force them to gut the roster, so Giannis would join a weak squad (“...it's just Giannis and Hero…” 57:01).
  • Timberwolves: Similarly limited by lack of asset-rich offers (“They just don't have the draft picks… I don't know how you make it work.” 64:41).

• Most Intriguing Destinations According to Wright:

  • Atlanta Hawks: Have valuable picks (incl. Pelicans and future Milwaukee picks) and expiring/flexible contracts.
  • San Antonio Spurs: Can build a package of 5 firsts (none their own), attractive for Milwaukee’s rebuild, and can pair Giannis with Wembanyama without losing young guards (58:30–59:49).
    • “Barnes and Vassell get the money to where it needs to be. So you still have Fox, you still have Castle, you still have Harper…” (Nick Wright, 59:54)
  • Houston Rockets: Can center package around Alperen Sengün and Brooklyn’s/Phoenix’s valuable future picks (60:07–61:57).
  • OKC Thunder (potentially in the summer): Could offer a huge array of first-round picks and Jalen Williams, conditional on their playoff outcome (61:59–64:41).

How Should the Bucks Handle Giannis’ Request?

• Wright advocates for a balanced approach: Ask for Giannis’s top five destinations and try to accommodate, but maximize return.

  • “I think the Bucks should ask Giannis what his five favorite destinations are and say we will do our very best to send you to one of those five, but we can't let you just pick.” (66:01)

• Insight: Milwaukee's asset situation means tanking isn’t helpful (66:34–67:35). The Bucks have traded out multiple picks and swaps—so maximizing trade value is critical to avoid remaining stuck.

Would a Warriors-Giannis Trade Make GSW Favorites?

• Wright questions if swapping Butler for Giannis would make the Warriors title favorites:
  • “The Warriors with a healthy Jimmy Butler were miles away from contention this year. Is the gap between Giannis and Jimmy Butler so massive that it takes them from miles away to championship caliber? I don’t think so.” (69:43)
  • He suggests Draymond-Giannis lineups would stretch even Steph Curry’s “gravity” and that the GSW package just isn’t strong enough (“If I’m Milwaukee, I hate that trade package.” 71:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Darnold's Breakthrough:

  • “If you can't give someone credit for that, then I don't know what the point of playing the games is.”
    (Nick Wright, 11:17)

• On Hall of Fame Voting for Belichick:

  • “If I were a voter, I would have voted for Belichick. Spygate was not to me such a mortal sin that… it overshadows what is an unimpeachable resume of coaching excellence.”
    (Nick Wright, 34:51)

  • “I think these one-off rule changes can be… as a testament to their greatness.”
    (Nick Wright, 43:53)

• On Giannis and the Trade Packages:

  • “The Spurs can include a bunch of potentially awesome picks… and still have Wemby and Giannis on the court at the same time. That to me is a legitimate possibility.”
    (Nick Wright, 59:54)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Seahawks’ Super Bowl run & Darnold analysis: 02:58–21:14
• Receivers: JSN & Puka rise; ranking NFL WRs: 14:56–16:46
• Darnold’s Top 10 QB status debate: 16:46–21:14
• Belichick Hall of Fame snub explained: 28:27–47:33
• Belichick’s legacy & unintended consequences: 44:35–47:33
• NBA: Giannis trade packages & scenarios: 53:02–71:15

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Tone & Style

Nick Wright remains sharp, opinionated, and self-aware throughout, combining strong statistical analysis with moments of humility (“hand up in that regard where I was as loud as anybody, saying I thought they got worse at quarterback…”). The camaraderie with Damonte brings a lively, conversational tone. Wright’s stance on controversial topics like Belichick or trade strategies is nuanced, blending fan passion with inside knowledge, always circling back to what he believes is fair and logical.

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For listeners or sports fans who missed the episode, this summary captures the essential analysis, takes, and storytelling at the center of “The Herd” and Nick Wright’s distinctive approach.

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[Damonte]

All right, the Seahawks are headed to the super bowl and that is not despite Darnold. That's with Darnold. He continues to play the best football of his life. Who could have saw this coming outside of maybe like Colin Coward?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. So this is from the. This is not stunning. Once the season started being played and again I picked the Rams, but everybody, by the time we got to the playoffs, we knew Seattle was excellent and Seattle could get to the Super Bowl. And by the time we were midway through the season, we knew Seattle was a really, really good team. This is stunning in the context of the feelings on the Seahawks from before the year and that I will go hand up in that regard where I was as loud as anybody, saying I thought they got worse at quarterback, that I thought Geno was a better player than Darnold. They were moving on from Geno to go to Darnold, where I last year gave basically all of the credit that Darnold otherwise, you know, deserved to Kevin OConnell and to Justin Jefferson and to the operation in with the Vikings and said the 14 wins and 4,000 yards were basically phony. And because of that, I didn't, I shouldn't say I thought they were phony as much as I thought they were. I as much as I thought they were more of more of his coaching, his team, the infrastructure and less of him. And the fact that he played so poorly in the Week 18 game to get the one seed and then so poorly in the playoff game, it confirmed every Sam Darnold concern or skepticism any of us had. At least it felt like it did. And then this year when he was absolutely rolling until they played the Rams the first time and in that game he threw four interceptions, it was double stamped, triple stamped, pumpkin mode. The lights are too bright for this guy. And then something interesting happened. When they played the Rams a second time, which was the first three quarters of that, he was about as bad as he was the first time they played. He had two turnovers instead of four. They seemed to be afraid to really cut him loose. And then in the fourth quarter and then that drive in overtime, he was excellent and he didn't really like build on that momentum because after that game he didn't have any great statistical games. He just kind of stayed out of the way. But it did seem like that was a moment for him. And then week one of the playoffs, he didn't make any mistakes. They won by 35 points, but he didn't have to do much. And then Sunday night to go to the super bowl, he went throw for throw with Matthew Stafford and the team. I thought it was really interesting that by the end of that game you, you saw how much his play caller, Clint Kubiak and his head coach who has to sign off on those decisions, how much those guys believed in Darnold on that last drive. I'm trying to pull up the play by play, which really weird right now. Really weird. I always go to box scores and play by play on ESPN.com ESPN does not have for the Rams or the Seahawks on their schedule page. I, I have it now here. It just, it doesn't have it listed as a game having been played, but I've got it now. On the final drive of the game for the Seahawks, this is what they did when they could have been in just grind clock mode. 2nd and 7 with 326 left, Sam Darnold pants. 3rd and 7 after an incompletion Sam Darnold pass. That was the Cooper cup play. On that play, by the way, McVeigh, who has some game management issues, that's the one where he called the timeout and then was asking them about challenging it. I just want to like clarify to everyone what was going on there. That the problem for McVeigh was I don't think they were telling him you're not allowed to challenge. I think they were telling him because you have already called timeout. If you challenge this and lose, that will cost you an additional timeout. That is not on the officials, that is on McVeigh to recognize in real time that he had both of his challenges left. He was going, there was three minutes left. But you can only use your challenges until the two minute warning. That was a spot and I, and I just, I'm not trying to give myself too much credit, but it's not second guessing because I said it in real time. What McVeigh should have done in that moment after the Cooper cup play instead of calling timeout to then look at it and see if you want a challenge, snap challenge. Because in that specific spot a challenge is the exact same as a timeout. If you it's going to stop the clock. If you're right about it and you win it or whatever, you get your timeout back. If you're wrong, it costs you the exact same thing as using a timeout would. You don't have to conserve your challenges anymore because there's only a minute remaining. You haven't used any. So he made a mistake there. Flatly, he just made a mistake. It probably wouldn't have changed anything because I don't think that play was being overturned but that he made a mistake there, but to the point I'm making. Second down, they let Darnold pass with 326 left. Third down, they let Darnold Pass with 3:20 left. Second and 10 with 305 left. They let Darnold pass second and seven with 217 left. And. And the Rams, out of timeouts, they let Darnold pass. And so they put real faith in him. That second and seven play when he threw it incomplete. But there was defensive holding called just to give context. The Rams are out of timeouts if they run the ball there. If they just go into like take knees mode, that play runs it down to the two minute warning. The next play runs it down to 1:15 and the Rams are getting the ball back. Best case scenario with like 1,05 left by throwing the ball, you really took a big risk, not only of turnover, but incompletion where the Rams would have real time. They trusted Darnold. Now, he did throw an incompletion, but there was a penalty away from the play. But still it shows. They did not feel like they have to coach around Darnold in this spot and they shouldn't have. In the biggest game of his life, the guy had the best game of his life. And if you can't give someone credit for that, then I don't know what the point of playing the games is like. If Sam Darnold isn't at least on the precipice of potentially, I don't even know if I should say potentially of being a top 10 quarterback, then we're just saying he's ineligible because of the beginning of his career. Because last year he was exceptional all year until the biggest games. And then this year he wasn't quite as good as last year, but he was really good all year and then he played the best game of his career in the biggest game. You have to give the guy credit and I don't know who demands a. Who should feel sicker about Darnold turning into this guy. The jets are the Vikings. The jets drafted him and had him for years and just gave up on him. Or the Vikings, who had him for one year and saw what happened and then moved on to go to jj.

[Damonte]

I'm sorry, I think. I think it's going to be the Vikings. I mean, you just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Why are you apologizing?

[Damonte]

Yeah, because I know Paul. Paul. We were just talking about this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Our producer. Paul's a Vikings fan. Fair enough, but go ahead.

[Damonte]

Yeah, I mean, he just came off of 14 wins last year, so, I mean, they saw it. The jets just drafted him in the beginning. I think it's easy to say that in, like, hindsight, but with the, with the Vikings, you literally just saw it last year and you dropped him. But that's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, so. And. And the Vikings kind of tepidly wanted to bring him back, but not for the money he got from Seattle. And now he's one of the best bargains in the whole sport. And so I just. And to be clear, I think everyone has acknowledged throughout the course of the year that if you remove quarterback and just evaluate teams based on everything that, you know, everything they have aside from quarterback, that the Seahawks had an argument that they were head and shoulders better than everybody else.

[Damonte]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so. And their defense, even though Stafford was. And listen, Stafford's a great player. He's a great player and he was great in that game. The. And so I'm not holding that loss against him. And we'll get to the Stafford side of things in a minute. But the reason I liked the Rams in that game was because, yeah, I thought the Seahawks had the slightly better roster, but the Rams had the far, far better quarterback. And Sunday night, Darnold went throw for throw with Stafford. And if Stafford can play, doesn't have to play at that level, just a minus level quarterback, then Seahawks are head and shoulders, best team in the league because they have an excellent D line, they have excellent backers, they might have the best secondary in football. They have maybe the best receiver in the NFL. They have a good running game. They've built their offensive line. I. That is a great, great team. And they're now 15 and I'm sorry, 16 and three. And their three losses demand, say, are week one of the season by four, a 3,835 loss to Tampa where they had a touchdown lead with 230 left and 21:19 to a Rams team that they then beat the next two times. Just a great. I mean, they have had a great season. Let's talk js. Let's talk receivers.

[Damonte]

Oh, yeah. JSN and Puka put up big games. Where do you think they brink among top receivers or league's best receivers?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think they got to be the two best.

[Damonte]

Yeah, I was about to say one and two.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I, I think so. I think it's JSN 1, Puka 2. And, and I mean it's with respect to Justin Jefferson, but I just think those two guys are two best receivers in the league.

[Damonte]

Yeah. And Justin Jefferson had a little bit of a weird situation this year. I do think it's a little, it might be a little bit too hasty get putting Justin, Justin Jefferson behind but.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just don't know. Like, I mean just Justin Jefferson's unbelievable. He's a future hall of Famer and he is an all time great receiver. I, I don't know. So Justin Jefferson last year with Darnold, I mean it feels like it's kind of apples to apples. Last year with Darnold, 1500 yards, 10 touchdowns, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. This year with Darnold 1800 yards, 10 touchdowns. I JSN had 119 catches. Justin Jefferson had 103. I don't know. It's really close but I think, I think JSN and Puka have supplanted Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. I think it's JSM, Puko 1, 2, Jefferson Chase 3, 4. And I mean there's no shame in that. They are all building their own all time great careers and resumes but that, that's where I have it. All right, one more on this.

[Damonte]

Are you a full Darnold believer at this point? I.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Think he's really good. I, that's the. I think he's really good. I think that you can't have that type of game in a conference championship game. And I know people love to say that quarterbacks aren't going head to head with other quarterbacks. I get that. But I do think there's additional pressure on a quarterback if they're standing across the field from another guy who, from a guy who's great and who they know is going to be able to do damage. And so doing that in that spot against Stafford I think is pretty remarkable. And so I got to put like, I can't say that I believe in Trevor more than I believe in Darnold. That's not fair. They both had great pedigrees. They, they. You know, Trevor showed flashes earlier than Darnold, but Trevor hasn't reached the heights Darnold, Darnold's reached. And so I don't I don't necessarily trust Jared Goff more than I trust Darnold. And those are two guys in Trevor and golf that I consider top 10 quarterbacks. And so, I mean, if that. Do I. Do I have him in the top five? No, I don't. And the top five, by the way, top five is going to be awful tricky because top six is easy. The big four that it's been, Mahomes Allen, Lamar Burrow had been the top four, I should say. Matt Stafford's got to be there and Drake May's got to be there, and we'll get to Drake May. I know he hasn't been great this postseason, but what he did over the course of the regular season, now they're in the super bowl, it kind of stamps it. Even though he hasn't individually been great this postseason. I don't know which of those six were kicking out of the top five, but one of you can't have six guys in your top five. Do you have a gut reaction on that, Demase?

[Damonte]

I mean, I feel like I know who you're going to pick, but, I mean, I think.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Who do you think I'm going to pick?

[Damonte]

Oh, well, actually, you know what?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's good.

[Damonte]

It's got to be Lamar Allen. I feel like it's one of the. I don't know. It's actually pretty tricky because Burrow didn't, you know, he had, I think.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think, gun to my head. I would. Burrow would be out.

[Damonte]

Yeah, I just. With the injuries and him not really being in the playoff picture at all in the last couple years. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I think Gundam. I can't.

[Damonte]

The.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It would. It's not. And again, I know people think that I'm just, you know, wildly unfair to guys that aren't my guys or whatever. And I. I can't ding Lamar for injuries and not. And be like, Burrow's not dinged for it. I can't ding Lamar for missing the playoffs once and ignore Burrow missing it three years in a row. And so whatever the circumstances are. And so for me, I think Burrow would be on the outside looking in. I think it would be like if I were. If I. And now what I will say about May versus Lamar is this. And maybe you'll think this is unfair if you were to ask me. League disbands, new league starts. Who do you want? You know, you. It's fantasy draft time. But for an actual team number. My number one overall pick. So this is where age matters.

[Damonte]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

My number one overall pick would be Patrick, my number two overall pick would be Allen and my number three overall pick would be Drake May that that's where I would have him ahead of Lamar that the and so but that's incorporating age and durability stuff and those things and where you know that question the most interesting person involved in that is where do Caleb and Jaden slide in in reference to Lamar and Burrow? Stafford's an easy one because Stafford's just like out of it.

[Damonte]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because he probably only has one or two years left. But the other guys who are right around 30, you know 30 and all four of those guys that are right around 30 or at 30 have interesting longevity questions right now. Yeah Mahomes we would think will age the best and you know he's been the health coming off his worst injury but he's right but he's coming off a devastating injury so there's a little yeah but there Allen's never missed a game due to injury but man oh man he plays such a punishing style. Lamar is dealing with his most injury riddled season of his career and does you know it seems like age has taken away from some of running ability. Yes is and Burrow has been an injury concern since he came into the league. So all those guys have their own little yeah buts if we're being fair about projecting it. And while I'm wearing a sweatshirt that says Kansas City versus Everybody, I am shockingly fair when it comes to how we're kind of trying to logically look at these things. All right, before we get to the other stuff, let me remind you guys, today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock bet, Florida's sportsbook. The Big Game matchup is set and I cannot wait to see the Patriots versus the Seahawks. Hard Rock BET has all the different ways you can get in on next a week from Sunday's action. Here is what I'm liking right now. I feel like a JSN anytime touchdown sitting right around even money minus 115 feels pretty good to me. If you haven't signed up with Hard Rock bet, there's never been a better time. This week they're launching a brand new welcome offer for new customers. Plus, Hard Rock Bet is kicking off at $7 million big game bonus party available to all users. You're definitely not going to want to miss that. And if you're in Florida or Jersey, the Big Game energy doesn't just live exclusively on the app. Head to a Hard Rock casino property for drawings. Giveaways and all the excitement leading up to kickoff. Hard Rock Bet also offers new promos every day, so if you're listening to this later, just open the app and check out what you've got any day of the week. That's Hard Rock Bet. Download the Hard Rock Bet app and make your first deposit today. Payable and bonus bets Not a cash offer offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida. Offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. Must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia to play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida, call 1-833-play- wise in Indiana. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem wants help, call 1-800-9 with it. Gambling problem call 1-800- gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia.

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I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to mind games on the Internet, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Announcer]

On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help.

[Narrator (Valley of Shadows)]

Within days, tips started flooding into the Sheriff's department.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of.

[Podcast Announcer]

Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[Robert Smith]

A homicide captain saying detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?

[Narrator (Valley of Shadows)]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert.

[Podcast Announcer]

Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Narrator (Valley of Shadows)]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jacob Goldstein]

The Volkswagen Beetle started out as Hitler's dream car. It wound up as a beloved hippie icon and the best selling car of all time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How did that happen? I'm Jacob Goldstein.

[Robert Smith]

And I'm Robert Smith. On business history, we tell the surprising stories behind the inventions and entrepreneurs that shaped our economy.

[Jacob Goldstein]

And the story of the Beatle is truly surprising. It has so much in it. It has Nazis, it has the German economic miracle.

[Robert Smith]

And it features one of the most famous ads of all time. An ad that really redefined what advertising was in the United States.

[Jacob Goldstein]

The calculation was that there was some number of Americans who were ready for something different, who were ready for something that was counter to the culture it, if you will.

[Robert Smith]

Perfect timing.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Decade of the 1960s.

[Robert Smith]

Listen to Business History on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and watch episodes on YouTube.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect podcast network. Another team who ain't going to the playoff? The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now. Then Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy Matthew Stafford.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where did Nicks at?

[Nav Green]

He ain't too far behind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He did all this talking.

[Nav Green]

Hey, what Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better web Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And what conversation?

[Nav Green]

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever. You get your podcast.

[Damonte]

All right, so the reports came out that Bill Belichick was snubbed from the hall of Fame and from the outside, looking in like a newer fan like myself. Belichick isn't getting in. It's. It's a little weird. All of his accomplishments. What do you make of the situation?

[Georgia Hardstark]

So, you know, it's really interesting. I didn't know you were going to say that at in the offset about a newer fan, but it is a intriguing angle to it because there are people and you're 27 years old, your age, there are players in the league your age and younger that probably have no recollection at all of Spygate. And I do not want, and I am not going to relitigate the ins and outs of Spygate. I don't think that is a good use of our time. But the reason I bring it up is that is the simplest explanation as to why Bill Belichick was not a first ballot hall of Famer. And I understand Vahe Gregorian, the columnist for the Kansas City Star who has a Hall of Fame vote, he wrote a column explaining he was one of the people that did not vote for Belichick. And it had nothing to do with, with Spygate, with the cheating scandals that it was simply here is the way the hall of Fame works. Just so everybody understands the regular hall of Famers, the ones that Drew Brees is up for induction, Larry Fitzgerald, that players that retired recently, they have this giant list of eligible people to consider. They whittle it down to 25 semifinalists. They then whittle that down to usually, I think, 10 to 15 finalists and then at most five people from that group make it. There is then a separate procedure, but with the same voters that consider five other finalists. Those five other finalists come from three buckets. They will consider one contributor finalist this year that was Robert Kraft, one coaching finalist this year that was Bill Belichick, and three senior committee player finalists, meaning guys who did not make the hall of Fame through the initial proceeding from, but now are eligible again through the senior committee. And those three finalists were L.C. greenwood, Roger Craig, and gosh darn it, put it in the doc. I forget who the third other senior committee finalist was. And the way it works is for those five finalists, each voter can vote for a maximum of three people. Now, you can split that however you want. You can vote yes for the one contributor, one coach and one of the players. One of the three players. Or you could go two players and one coach or two players. Ken Anderson is the other player finalist. I forgot. Or you could go all three players. Vi Gregorian explained he didn't vote for Belichick and it was because he thought those three players were hall of Fame worthy, that if they didn't get in now, they were likely never going to get in. He thought because they're not guaranteed to be the three finalists next year. And so he voted. He uses three votes for them. I think there is also the Possibility that this was unintentional in this regard, that people in that room demon say were like, you know what? I'm sure Belichick's getting in. So I don't want to use. He doesn't need my vote. So I'd rather use my vote because I'm a big Roger Craig guy and I think he's not going to get in that. That could happen. There's a lot of different ways that someone who is a deserving candidate can lose a vote or two. But in order for Bill Belichick not to be elected, he would have had to lose at least 11 votes. You need 40 of the 50. And while everyone from Tom Brady to Jimmy Johnson to Patrick Mahomes to LeBron James to Troy Aikman, everyone was unanimous in how outrageous Belichick snubbing was. I saw the news and I said, well, I suppose I understand. And the reason I understood was because I read it as he lost some amount of votes because hall of Fame voters felt like this was their opportunity and maybe for some people, their responsibility to punish him for at least one of, if not multiple cheating scandals.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Which he was not only embroiled, but in Spygate adjudicated by the NFL to have orchestrated, benefited from and he was penalized for greatly. They find him the most the league can find Coach. Half a million dollars and they took a first round pick from the team. Those were massive, massive penalties.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This, My opinion on this might sound counterintuitive or incongruous. I hope it doesn't. If I were a voter, I would have voted for Belichick. Spygate was not to me such a mortal sin that. That it overshadows what is an unimpeachable resume of coaching excellence. But I can feel that way while also understanding that others may not. I also can feel that way and I do not think it is contradictory for many of the people if we. I do. I would not find it Contradictory if the 50 hall of Fame voters from this year were the exact same 50 next year and next year Belichick got in unanimously. Because I do think one could argue that if you were a Hall of Fame voter, you might feel like, yes, Bill Belichick deserves to be in the hall of Fame, but we would like to deny him the minted distinction of first ballot hall of Famer, that that is the penance for Spygate. And I don't find that outrageous. Now there is Daman, a real knock on effect of Belichick not getting in this year. Because if. If people Understood and were paying attention to the way I explained the way the the current voting process works. Each year there is only one coaching candidate that becomes eligible that that will not as eligible but that gets voted on. So if you are Kyle or Mike Shanahan or Tom Coughlin and you have hopes of being a Hall of Famer or I guess in theory Mike Tomlin could be eligible next year but I would imagine they would make him wait because they think he might be coming back to coach. If you are one of those coaches and you assumed Belichick gets in this year and then next year, you know, maybe I'm the coach who's nominated and I could get in. Well now that ain't going to happen. Yeah because this year the coaching candidate Bill Belichick didn't get in and next year the coaching can Belichick will hold that spot I would think as the coach that comes up for vote every year until he gets in. So there is a real knock on effect to it. The other knock on effect. That is what I was getting at when you first mentioned this at the beginning of the show. I do think there is a generation of people including active players in the league that didn't know two things about Spygate and are now learning about it. Yeah, there's like wait so what happened? And fair or not that will put a slightly different light on that first half decade plus of Patriots dominance. And I don't think that's unfair. It happened that was and I understand Jimmie Johnson saying we all tried to do it and this that again I'm not trying to rejudicate Spygate but the NFL found out the Pats were doing it, told them to stop and they did not stop. And then Even in the 20 like 2017 there was a real sketchy were you guys pretending to fit film a team documentary and actually filming the Bengals sideline during a Bengals Bears game before they played you guys that happened in the league had to step in. The Patriots played with fire whether it be deflate gate which fell at Tom Brady's feet, Spygate which fell up Belichick seat or any of the other things that were more allegations than proven throughout their run. And it is not nearly enough for me to be like vacate the trophy titles is strip them of the banners. I'm not saying that. Not even close to saying that. But I understand if a Hall of Fame voter said this is your penalty and I don't think it is double jeopardy nor do I think it is outrageous if the voters at the hall of Fame said, listen, yes, we understand that this was adjudicated almost 20 years ago, but we haven't ruled on it. We have not had our say on it, and we are there for. And again, this is the. Assuming that this was the reason he missed out on at, you know, enough votes to not get to 40. Some folks said, no, the, the cheating bothers us because I don't think there's any other realistic explanation as to why he would miss out on at least 11 of the 50 votes. And I don't.

[Damonte]

Oh, the thought that the other guys should get in, you know, thinking that Belichick was going to be there next year and get this guy. And now it's also, I think, you know, making it a personal thing like that. I just think is a little. Is the guy first ballot or not? Like for. In that guy's case, that he's saying that, oh, I wanted this other guy to get in, but in that, I just think that if the guy's first ballot.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I don't like. I don't like that explanation. I don't like the explanation of I'd rather make this guy wait because this guy might not get another opportunity. Yeah, I mean, I. Again, everyone's entitled to their own process on it. I don't like that explanation. I. It's bad luck for one of those guys. But with respect to Elsie Greenwood, Roger Craig and Ken Anderson, and if we are simply saying those two guys plus Kraft and Belichick, you can only vote for three of them and the cheating is not factoring in Right. Then Belichick must get one of your three votes. He must. And then you have to go make a tough decision on the other two. Now, Damanza, you know, I promoted the idea of this year putting Craft in, and I think he might get in. And then next year, when Gronk comes eligible, either having Gronk and Belichick wait an additional year to win, Brady's eligible, or the hall of Fame, which is going to have to do a lot of it would appear, because my opinion's in the minority, you know, kind of PR fixing over the next few weeks and months. I. They could also simply say, hey, we're adjusting a rule. By the way, if you win more than five Super Bowls, we are shortening your mandatory weight for hall of Fame eligibility from five years to four years. So Tom Brady's eligible next year and putting Gronk, Brady and Belichick all in together. My initial idea was and have the other three player spots go to guys who have been multi time finalists or semifinalists, Adam Venatori, Rodney Harrison, Vince Wilfork and have an all Patriots class. But at the very least having Gronk, Brady and Belichick all go in next year would be sick. And I I'm all for one off rule changes that impact one person as a testament to their greatness. Like if they said hey new rule. Any player with five or more super bowl rings you don't have to wait the full five years. That's not, it's not going to be like oh my God, so many guys is going to apply to no Brave Fair. And it was, it's similar. It's, it's of the same thought process that if Adam Silver came out and be like by the way we changed a rule over the summer that in any Circumstance where the NBA's all time leading scorer is an active player, he is an all star that year just and by the way that would only apply to LeBron right now and next year. Like the I think these one off rule changes can be guys are doing.

[Damonte]

Stuff that hasn't been done before and.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And you don't have to and if some, if that rule ever applies to anyone else, it will be because of their, you know, unfathomable greatness. And so we'd be fine with it. And so that's my, that's where I fall on this. Now I will say this, there are two unintended consequences of this Bella check snubbing. One I find to be positive, one I find to be negative. The positive one is this. I think this is Bill Polian's Emperor has no Clothes moment. And I don't mind that. I've never been a Polian guy. Bill Polian hit the jackpot in his team, had the number one pick when Peyton Manning was coming out, and then in my opinion did a very poor job building teams around Peyton to the tune of polio philosophy was we're going to build the best team imaginable to play with a lead and to play indoors, which was awesome most of the time. But you were not always indoors in the playoffs and you did not always have the lead. And that along with Peyton's own shortcomings, is why they didn't win as much. Bill Polian also is a patient zero of what I consider to be a near decade long outrageous Lamar Jackson discourse because he's the guy who said Lamar should play wide receiver instead of quarterback, which then had a rubber band snapping impact on how Lamar is discussed positively and negatively today. And Polian has made a total fool of himself in this process, he told Sports Illustrated. I'm 100% sure he sold Sports Illustrated. I voted for Belichick. He then half hour later told ESPN, I can't quite remember. I'm 95% sure. And then the next day read a prepared statement on serious being like I voted for Belichick. So Polyan being made a bit of a fool of is just a happy accident of this maybe the other unintended consequence to Monza that I think is a bummer is for the guys who do get in this year. So Drew Brees is going to get in, Larry Fitzgerald is going to get in, and whomever else does, Robert Kraft is probably going to get in. The story of the the 2026 Pro Football hall of Fame induction will not really be about who is getting in, and it will be about who is not there. And that's a bummer for them. And that's, you know, that's the it.

[Damonte]

Just all everybody's talking about with this one correct.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so does and especially for those senior committee guys like the while it won't be accurate that all of them took Belichick spot, it will be at least somewhat accurate that one of them did. And so and we won't know who. So whether it's Kraft, Ken Anderson, Roger Krieger, L.C. greenwood, it'll just not feel quite right. And so that's that's a shame of it. Again, I think you should be in, but I understand why some voters might have felt differently. By the way, if you're thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone 17 Pro, designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever, but you're also thinking about the traffic on your way to the store or transferring all your data. Good news, when you order a new phone online with Boost Mobile, they'll send an expert to your home. How about that? Or home. Or work to deliver your brand new iPhone Pro and get you set up on Boost Mobile within minutes. No hassle. So how about that? You get the new iPhone, it comes right to you and a tech comes in. Get all your stuff transferred, get you set up on the network. Visit Boost mobile.com to get started. Delivery available for select devices purchased at Boost Mobile. Terms, of course, do apply.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What if mind control is real?

[Cam Jordan]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Damonte]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold itself to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all. NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Announcer]

On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help.

[Narrator (Valley of Shadows)]

Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of.

[Podcast Announcer]

Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

[Robert Smith]

A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?

[Narrator (Valley of Shadows)]

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert.

[Podcast Announcer]

Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wouldn't do it alone.

[Narrator (Valley of Shadows)]

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jacob Goldstein]

The Volkswagen Beetle started out as Hitler's dream car. It wound up as a beloved hippie icon and the best selling car of all time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How did that happen? I'm Jacob Goldstein.

[Robert Smith]

And I'm Robert Smith. On business history, we tell the surprising stories behind the inventions and entrepreneurs that shaped our economy.

[Jacob Goldstein]

And the story of the Beatle is truly surprising. It has so much in it. It has Nazis, it has the German economic miracle.

[Robert Smith]

And it features one of the most famous ads of all time. An ad that really redefined what advertising was in the United States.

[Jacob Goldstein]

The calculation was that there was some number of Americans who were ready for something different, who were ready for something that was counter to the culture, if you will. Perfect timing in the decade of the 1960s.

[Robert Smith]

Listen to Business History on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and watch episodes on YouTube.

[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors not so accurate stats and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect podcast network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now, then Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy Matthew Stafford.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where did Bo Nicks at?

[Nav Green]

He ain't too far behind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He did all this talking.

[Nav Green]

Hey, what Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, Damonte, let's talk a little hoops here.

[Damonte]

End of an era. Giannis, currently hurt, been on Milwaukee Bucks for 12 and a half years, is asking out of Milwaukee per se. There's been aggressive offers from the Warriors, Knicks, Heat and the Timberwolves. What are we making on this?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, so I don't. Let me just start with the Knicks. I don't see how the Knicks can make an offer Milwaukee would be interested in because they have no picks to trade. They can give them swaps like I. The. So that's the one that I don't. I understand why Daman say the Knicks would want to do it, obviously, but I don't know why Milwaukee would be interested.

[Damonte]

But with the warriors, though, I mean, I heard they were offering Jimmy Butler. I get there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, so that would be. Yeah. So here's the thing on the warriors, the warriors at least can trade picks and Milwaukee might want to, you know, full on rebuild. So that to me though also like Butler and Kaminga, plus, let me see. I. The picks that the warriors have available. So I think it was first, I guess. But yeah, so the warriors can trade four firsts. They can trade their firsts in 26, 28, 30 and 32, and they can trade swaps. So they could do, you know, a massive, massive draft pick deal. And the warriors could. They would include Jimmy Butler because it's the only way to make the salaries work. So I think it's basically the framework of. It would be Butler and Kaminga for Giannis and I Think Kuzma and that's how the salaries line up and then you trade a bajillion picks and I don't, I don't think that is a great deal personally. And Milwaukee is in this weird spot, remember where them bottoming out does not benefit them because they don't have their own picks. They have traded or swapped their next four years of picks in Milwaukee. So them being awful, it doesn't allow them to replenish it. Which is why I have been promoting the Hawks trade which the Hawks have this benefit of they have the first round pick next year or this coming year that is the better of New Orleans and Milwaukee which will be New Orleans pick and they have Milwaukee's first round pick in two years. So if the Hawks were to move the the trade I came up with yesterday, Chris Staps and former number one overall pick Risa Shea for the New Orleans pick this year, which might be the number one pick of the draft and Milwaukee's pick next year. That to me if I'm the Bucks is at least interesting. But the Hawks are not listed on these teams. My issue with the Heat demands a is I don't see a scenario why the Heat would be in a much better position.

[Damonte]

The amount of money they'd have to match right from there from their team.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. So like what is this Heat team going to look like once you have made the trade to get giannis? The only first round picks they can trade are in 30 and 32. You're I guess you'd have to include Bam but then it's just Giannis and Hero and like that to me does not put Giannis markedly closer to a title. So I there I really like the Hawks one if that's not what Giannis wants to do. There are, there's a Rockets one that's interesting and there is a Spurs one, both of which I discussed yesterday on the show but we can discuss here. So the spurs have okay the following picks that they can move off of Atlanta's first this year and next year. Okay that's interesting. Boston's first in two years, Dallas is first in 2030 and Sacramento's first in 2031. So the spurs can move five first round picks, none of which are the spurs picks which is the key here. Like if you're Milwaukee you're like your team's about to have Wimby and Giannis and those in those great guards, your picks are going to suck. So the spurs can include a bunch of potentially awesome picks. Like I mean the Sacramento picks a long way down the road, but an unprotected Sacramento first round pick is gold. Who knows what Dallas looks like in five years, who knows even what Boston looks like in three years and then Atlanta the next two years. Like that to me is interesting. And here is what I think is the most intriguing about the spurs offer to Monze that I came up with. They, they can make the money work without trading any of their young guards. Barnes and Vassell get the money to where it needs to be. So you still have Fox, you still have Castle, you still have Harper. And that to me is if Milwaukee's like, listen, we're going to rip it down and have these other teams picks.

[Damonte]

To build with Wimby and Giannis on the court at the same time sounds insane.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Would be bananas. So that to me is worth considering. Five first round picks, none of which are the spurs picks and the Spurs. So the spurs keep their own, their own picks and they keep their young players. That to me is a legitimate possibility. And then there is the Rockets one, which the Rockets have two potentially very valuable draft assets and they're in the same draft. Amaze. Not this coming year, but next year they have Brooklyn's first and Phoenix is first. Now Phoenix is building a little something, but Brooklyn is miles away. And so the Rockets that Brooklyn picks very valuable and they can trade Van Vliet. And I think you would then have to include Shingo.

[Damonte]

You think the Steven Adams injury might force them to try to be extra aggressive for Yanis?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, or it might, or it might make them hit the, hit the brakes. They might say we're not quite as close, but amen Thompson, Tari, Reed, Shepherd, Kevin Durant, Giannis, that to me is a real thing and real interesting. And Shingoon and Yan, here's the thing, I'm sure they wouldn't want to. And if you're Milwaukee, you get Shingoon, who is a star and Brooklyn's pick in two years and you build it up from there. And Shingoon and Giannis to me, to Monte, don't really fit together because now two of your five best guys are just non shooters.

[Damonte]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so that, that to me is interesting. And then I'm going to throw one other just possibility out there. Okay. And this possibility is if this postseason goes poorly for the Thunder. So this would not be a trade deadline deal. But the Thunder are in this really weird position where over the last two years they're awesome at full strength, but they are oddly unbeatable. When Jalen Williams doesn't play. They're 34 and 3 over the last two years when J Dub doesn't play and he has a five year max that starts in the summer. So if Milwaukee waited until the summer, could the Thunder put together a package of Jalen Williams at his new max deal plus one other guy, be it Isaiah, Joe, Aaron, Wiggins, Caruso, the other Jalen Williams, you know, whomever. And then they have so many picks. They have the Clippers first round pick this coming year, the Rockets first round pick this coming year, they have Philly's first round pick this coming year. They have in 2027, the Clippers first round pick, they have the Mavs first round pick in 2028, they have Denver's first round pick in 2029 and of course all their own. So the Thunder could, they're not going to do anything now and they should. But if this, if this doesn't happen at the deadline then I would watch OKC depending on how their postseason goes. But those to me are Atlanta, Houston, San Antonio at the deadline are all so much more interesting than any of the four teams that the that have reached out to Milwaukee. And when we talk about.

[Damonte]

Go ahead.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, I didn't talk about the Timberwolves. That's interesting. So Timberwolves problem is he's making a lot. They just don't, they just don't have the draft picks. And so I don't know how you make it work. I don't know what package you can build for the Bucks. That is super intriguing. And the Knicks are in a very similar bucket where. I'm sorry, I'm scrolling my Google Doc about the future draft assets but the, the Let me find where the Knicks are on here. The Knicks have traded away all their picks and so all they can offer you is swaps and players. So like it would really have to be something close to like Giannis for cat and that don't make any sense for the Bucks. So I don't know how the Knicks make it happen.

[Damonte]

Do you expect so?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh sorry, go ahead.

[Damonte]

Do you expect the Bucks to send Giannis where he wants or just to get the most value out of him?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think the Bucks should ask Giannis what his five favorite destinations are and say we will do our very best to send you to one of those five, but we don't want to go right. We can't let you. And you know what, Send us your 5 favorite. You could do it a couple different ways but I think if it's like send us five places, and we will work diligently with those five teams. But I don't think you can just let him pick because if he picks New York, yeah, you're just screwed. Like there's just. And I feel similarly if he picks Golden State, I just. If you're milk. One of the big keys here is Milwaukee does not own their own picks. So that's the part that I just want to emphasize real quick about Milwaukee and what, you know, tanking and what it means for them. Before we move on, here's Milwaukee's situation. Okay? This coming year, They. This year they will have their pick. Unless somehow their pick is a better pick than the Pelicans pick, but they'll have. And then they'll get the Pelicans pick. This year, though, they have their pick. In 2027, their pick goes to New Orleans or Atlanta. In 2028, their pick goes to Portland or Washington. With somebody else's pick coming to them in 2029, their pick goes to Portland or Washington. In 2030, Portland has the opportunity to swap picks with them. So 27. No, this year through 2030, but really 2027, because we know New Orleans is going to have a worse pick than Milwaukee this year after this upcoming draft if they. They either don't have their pick at all or they're gonna have to swap their pick for a worse1. So bo just stone bottoming out does not allow them to replenish their assets as quickly. So I. I'm not certain he gets dealt before the deadline, but if he does, the teams that can make the best trades are Atlanta, the Spurs and the Rockets and the warriors and Knicks, I'm sure. And let me ask say one other thing, and I don't know where you stand on this. Demonstrate. I don't think that the warriors trading Butler and Kaminga, and I know Butler's out for Giannis, guarantees them anything. I still don't. I don't know that I would look at them as favorites in the west or even favorites to make the conference.

[Damonte]

Finals just because of the drop off of not having Jimmy Butler as well or just this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, yeah, I mean, that's Curry, I guess. I look at it like this. Let's just say Kaminga's a zero for them, right? The warriors with a healthy Jimmy Butler were miles away from contention this year. Is the gap between Giannis and Jimmy Butler so massive? And it's huge that it takes them from. But it takes them from miles away from contention to championship caliber, right? I don't think so. And I am. You would really be testing the limits of the staff gravity when you're playing lineups of Draymond and Giannis in crunch time. You know, it's great as it. And so I just. I don't think that is as sure. Now, obviously, if you're the warriors, you do it. But I'm saying I don't know if.

[Damonte]

It'S far from contention now. And then with Giannis, it'll just be like, all right, maybe they'll give somebody trouble in, like, the first or second round.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's how I would feel. I would feel like their ceiling would still be the. Probably the conference finals, maybe not. I'd have to see a play together and Giannis and Steph together. It'd be unbelievable. But I wouldn't look at that as it might be a juggernaut. But I also just. If I'm Milwaukee, I hate that trade package.

[Damonte]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What you're giving me is this guy picks and a guy with a torn ACL and Kaminga, who. Who you've been trying to get rid of. Like, I just. That's not a good package to me.

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