What's Wright - Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford Predictions w/ Nick Schulman

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd: What's Wright — Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford Predictions w/ Nick Schulman (Sept 13, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this special bonus episode of "What's Wright with Nick Wright," poker Hall of Famer and boxing analyst Nick Schulman returns for an in-depth look at the much-anticipated Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford super fight. Host Nick Wright interviews Schulman about the magnitude, context, and technical nuances of the bout—framed by one of boxing’s rarest leaps in weight class—and explores what victory could mean for either fighter’s legacy. The conversation blends high-level expertise, actionable betting talk, and big-picture sports fandom in a lively, accessible style.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Supreme Anticipation: The episode presents the Canelo vs. Crawford fight as perhaps the “fight of the decade,” with historic implications for both boxing and its mainstream appeal.
• Expert Analysis: Nick Schulman, renowned for his dual expertise in poker, gambling, and especially boxing, breaks down the matchup with rare insight, making a case for why Terence “Bud” Crawford might pull off one of the sport’s most audacious upsets.
• Bets & Legacy: Discussion revolves heavily around the implications for each man’s legacy, the betting markets, and how to interpret the odds given the unusual nature of Crawford's two-division leap up in weight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Table: Why Is This Fight So Important?

• Weight Jumping Rarity

  • Terence Crawford is leaping from 154 lbs to fight Canelo Alvarez at 168 lbs, a move Schulman calls “quite rare” in the modern era. Reference to historic analogs like Pacquiao and Sugar Ray Leonard’s leaps (08:07).
    • “To move up two weight classes like this is somewhat unprecedented in the modern era.” — Nick Schulman [08:54]

• Motivations and Mindset

  • Initially, Schulman believed Crawford was cashing out, but changed his mind, sensing true belief from Crawford’s camp (08:56). He now both personally and strategically picks Crawford to win.
    • “I think he believes he will win. I think his team believes he'll win, and I believe he'll win.” — Nick Schulman [09:48]

Betting Lines & Public Perception

• Market Sentiment
  • Canelo’s a favorite, though not overwhelmingly so, “like Packers money line over Commanders”—implying an upset is plausible (10:28).
  • Public and media often cite size as reason for doubting Crawford, but Schulman says such takes miss Crawford’s generational talent (11:24, 12:54).

Schulman’s Crawford Analysis: Resume & Skillset

• Personal Betting Experience

  • Schulman has unwaveringly bet on Crawford since being wowed by his in-ring intelligence and versatility (13:07–14:41).
    • “…ever since then, I … have actually been business partners with Bud. The business plan … he fights, and I bet on him every single fucking time. And guess what, Nick? Business has been booming.” — Nick Schulman [14:24]

• Highlight Victories

  • The discussion features mini-breakdowns of:

    • Kell Brook Knockout – Praised for incredible timing.
    • Jose Benavidez Jr. – Stopped him with a “crazy uppercut sequence.”
    • Sean Porter Stoppage – Famous corner exchange:"He's up? How? … Bud, it's time to go." Crawford then wins by stoppage.
    • David Avenisyan KO – “Put him out cold in the middle of the ring.”
    • Errol Spence Jr. – Defensive counters and timing highlighted as generational (22:48–26:51).

    “He landed the shortest little right hand … timing beats speed and precision beats power … shocked Brook to where he kind of didn't know where he was.” — Nick Schulman [22:48]

• Addressing Criticism of Opposition

  • Schulman rebuts the idea that Crawford’s resume is weak, detailing the elite quality and context of his victims (15:19).

Canelo’s Legacy & Current Form

• Origins and Style

  • Canelo turned pro at 15, has “fought everybody,” and reinvented himself as more of a power-punching pressure fighter over time (33:48–34:45).
    • “He's a global superstar. He's an icon.” — Nick Schulman [34:45]

• Where Is Canelo in His Career?

  • Schulman suggests Canelo has shown signs of age/slowing (“stuck in the mud”) but remains a tactical, dangerous champion (35:22). His recent performances have been good but not at his explosive best.

    • “He doesn't look like prime Canelo to me, but he's very intelligent … interviews … sharp … I believe he will be prepared … but after 65 professional fights...you never know. I mean, Father Time is undefeated.” — Nick Schulman [36:41]

    • Nick Wright notes the irony that Crawford is biologically older but “the younger fighter at this point.”

Activity Levels & Team Chemistry

• Inactivity vs. Consistency

  • Canelo has fought more often than Crawford recently, but Schulman points out Crawford “lives in the gym” and compares him to Mayweather’s year-round conditioning (30:04).

• Team Dynamics

  • Schulman praises Crawford’s stable, humble, and innovative team, specifically naming trainer Brian “Bomac” McIntyre (31:19).

The State of Boxing & Superfight Context

• Historic Magnitude

  • Schulman places this fight among the biggest ever: “up there with Mayweather-Pacquiao, Tyson-Holyfield, Canelo-Triple G 1 & 2, Canelo-Floyd.” (44:53–46:45)
    • “From a purest standpoint, this is up there with anything … I think any boxing fan can recall in quite a while.” — Nick Schulman [45:02]

• Saudi Influence, Purse Questions, and Boxing’s Future

  • Discussion of Saudi money changing the game, with Canelo and Crawford both potentially making unprecedented sums; Dana White’s involvement and the proliferation of titles is analyzed for its pros/cons (38:46–40:48).

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Betting Strategy & Predictions

How Will the Fight Likely Play Out? (47:12+)

• Canelo Victory:

  • Canelo would need to “win with sublime skills,” either by clear decision or possible late stoppage if the weight difference is just too much.
    • “I suppose [Canelo could win by] backing Bud down and just wailing on him with huge shots ... winning a clear decision where Bud is wounded ... or even getting the stoppage.” — Nick Schulman [47:12]

• Crawford Victory:

  • Schulman picks Crawford. Expects Bud to “take his time, find his openings, and beat the brakes off him,” believing he’s live even for a late stoppage (which would shock most). His belief is rooted in Crawford’s extraordinary ring IQ and timing.
    • “I think Bud is live for the stoppage, which is something like 10 to 1. No one thinks it's possible. I do. I think he could land something that Canelo does not see …” — Nick Schulman [51:09]

• On Judges/Scoring:

  • Historically tough to get a decision against Canelo (“you can’t beat Canelo in Vegas”), but Schulman senses “a changing of the tides,” perhaps more fair judging this time (53:52–55:34).

Betting Insights & Tactics

• Current Odds

  • Canelo is about -165 to win outright; Crawford around +140 to +180 depending on timing.
  • Prop bets: Canelo by decision ≈ +130 (as per Hard Rock Bet). Crawford by stoppage (KO/TKO) is around 10:1 [50:53].

• When to Bet

  • Schulman monitors the lines constantly, suggesting Bud backers may want to wait for late “hometown” money on Canelo from Mexican fans, which could move the price in Crawford backers' favor (56:16).

    “For something like this [fight] is constantly refreshing the line ... a lot of Mexicans are going to come to town and start firing Canelo. So my theory ... is that if you want to bet Bud, ... wait.” — Nick Schulman [56:16]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Betting Trust:

  • “Ever since then ... I’ve actually been business Partners with Bud. ... He fights, and I bet on him every single fucking time. ... Business has been booming.” — Nick Schulman [14:24]

• On the Fight’s Rarity:

  • “To move up two weight classes like this is somewhat unprecedented in the modern era.” — Nick Schulman [08:54]

• On Canelo’s Global Status:

  • “He’s a global superstar. He’s an icon.” — Nick Schulman [34:45]

• On the Legendary Vibe:

  • “From a purest standpoint, this is up there with anything ... any boxing fan can recall in quite a while.” — Nick Schulman [45:02]

• On judging bias:

  • “There’s an old adage, you can’t beat Canelo in Vegas. ... Floyd won 13 rounds of a 12 round fight!” — Nick Schulman [54:28–55:08]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:24 — Episode Introduction, framing the magnitude of Canelo–Crawford
• 08:07 — Weight jump context/history
• 13:07 — Schulman’s unwavering history betting Crawford
• 22:48 — Breakdown of Crawford’s highlight victories
• 33:48 — Canelo’s background as a legend and stylistic evolution
• 35:22 — Is Canelo past his prime?
• 44:53 — Placing this fight in historical context
• 47:12 — How each fighter’s win would look
• 51:09 — Schulman’s detailed Bud win prediction (even by KO)
• 53:52 — On boxing politics/judging and implications
• 56:05 — Schulman’s betting approach and line-tracking

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Episode Tone & Flow

• Lively, hyper-knowledgeable, and fan-focused; Schulman offers passionate, nuanced, and direct commentary, sprinkled with personal anecdotes and humility.
• Wright acts as a sharp, self-deprecating interviewer, frequently ceding the floor to draw out Schulman’s expertise.

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Final Thoughts

• Schulman’s pick is clear: “I’ve believed for a long time that [Crawford's] the best guy in the world ... It all leads to this moment.” [52:19]
• Both agree: This is not just fight of the year, but “up there with the biggest fights of all time.”
• Schulman encourages viewers not to sleep on Inoue fighting the same weekend—a nod to true fight fans.

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For anyone seeking context, history, and expert-level analysis on Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford, this episode offers one of the most comprehensive, accessible, and passionate discussions available—a must-listen for boxing fans and curious newcomers alike.

Transcript

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Welcome in what's right with Nick Wright. As promised, a special bonus episode. One of our now very few two time guests, our boxing and gambling and poker correspondent. But in this episode we are going to focus exclusively on the boxing piece of it for and tell me if I'm wrong. Not just fight of the year, but arguably the fight of the decade. The last few years at the very least. It is Poker hall of Famer and for my money, the sharpest of the boxing Sharps, Nick Schulman. Nick, great to see you. Fight of the year, Fight of the decade. How excited are you for Canelo Crawford?

[Nick Schulman]

So excited. Great to be here. Every time football comes back, it's like I, I sort of remember what a big sort of deal you are, you know, So I really appreciate this. Crazy. Because you're my boy. You know, I'm kind of just poker in the fights, but whenever it come, like. Oh, yeah. So I, you know, I'm very honored to be here and I know how hard you work, so thank you, sir.

[Nick Wright]

Thank you, brother. We have. Listen, if people didn't see your last appearance, I'm going to give a quick recap of it. So Nick told us Manny Pacquiao can win that fight. Yeah. Throw the shades on. Nick said Manny Pacquiao can win the fight. And Nick got pacquiao at plus 400 correct.

[Nick Schulman]

4 10, but 4 10.

[Nick Wright]

Okay. No, no, I'm not, I'm not going to shortchange to 10 cents. He went off at 2 to 1 plus 190 plus 200 something. You got a great number. You were at the fight with six seats. And I don't think in the moment realized the gravity of how bad you got scammed in that fight.

[Nick Schulman]

I realized he was minus 800 on Penny Live after the 10th round. Yeah, but.

[Nick Wright]

So, so Manny, somehow that fight ended up being a majority draw, which is just as painful as it gets.

[Nick Schulman]

And.

[Nick Wright]

But you were definitively on the right side of it. We. And now, to be fair, also. And here's the thing. I love boxing, but I love boxing the way some of the professional poker world loves, you know, like the EPL where they watch it and they bet it. But if you asked them to take like 100 question test, they wouldn't do great on it. And so I can't speak with real authority, which is why I bring you on. But you really liked some. An undercard. And so I was like, listen, this was the one. I forget who it was, but he was. I don't want to. I don't want you to tell me because it'll spoil the story. And so I bet it. I was like, yeah, Nick likes it. I bet it. I. And I was rolling with you. And then we turn the fight on and I see the guy that I Bet against is 6 8-1-450. I text you and I'm like, yo, we got like a foot and a half height difference. And you just text me back. They don't call him the Towering Inferno for nothing. For nothing. And our guys Just couldn't land a shot. I. But.

[Nick Schulman]

Well, yeah, go ahead. No, no. I mean, no, please.

[Nick Wright]

So. But during that preview of the Pacquiao fight, we talked a little. Canelo Crawford, you gave away Ivy's gambling position. We talked about this, the magnitude of this fight and we said we were going to do this again. So I am now. And I'm also going to say one more thing and then we're really, I'm going to cede most of the floor to you because I do this. And by the way, if people are watching as Nick drinks some wine, I have one rule for the podcast. If I am doing broadcasting after 6pm Eastern, I'm drinking during it. This is. We are taping this on a Wednesday night.

[Nick Schulman]

I'll loop my friend Will.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, thank you. It will post sometime, I think either Thursday or Friday. Set you up for the fight. But I'm doing this for three reasons. One is it's the fight of the year and it needs to be covered. Another is I love the idea of boxing becoming super mainstream again. And I want to, and I want to help however I can because at its core, there is something just human about wanting to watch two grown men stand in the center of a ring and see who ends comes out. And third, and this is the part that Nick may or may not appreciate. I happen to truly believe that Nick Schulman's boxing knowledge plus his broadcasting chops would make help make boxing more mainstream if he was a part of some boxing broadcasts. So this is my entry point to pushing him in that direction. So I am going to essentially interview you as if I know nothing about the fight, even though I know at least a little bit about the fight. So the story going in for the undefeated Terence Crawford against the legend Canelo Alvarez is that he is jumping, what, from 154 to 168. How set the table for how he even got to 1:54, he being Crawford. And is that the story of the fight?

[Nick Schulman]

That's, I mean, aside from them both being all time greats, that's absolutely the, the main focal point here. A weight jump of this magnitude is quite rare. You've seen guys move up the ranks, you've seen Pacquiao beat bigger guys. Roy Jones Jr. Nobody thought he'd ever be fighting at light heavyweight, heavyweight. He was up there doing crazy things. Sugar Ray Leonard beating Marvin Hagler is the, the one that everybody really talks about. Nobody gave Ray Leonard a chance in that fight and he went in there and boxed. You know, he did his thing. But yeah. To move up two weight classes like this is somewhat unprecedented in the modern era.

[Nick Wright]

Why is he doing it?

[Nick Schulman]

Well, it's interesting, you know, when they first announced the fight, I will admit, I was thinking, wow, they made Terrence an offer that he can't refuse to lock up generational wealth for his family. But this is wild that the number one pound for pound guy has to go up multiple divisions to fight. You know, one of the best guys at that weight, perhaps Canelo, slipping a little bit, but that was just my knee jerk. And even Terrence said himself in an interview that he feels his ceiling is 154. He said that fairly recently. So I'm like, I gotta take him at his word. But now that things have come to a head and the pre fight has happened and everything, I think he believes he will win. I think his team believes he'll win, and I believe he'll win.

[Nick Wright]

So the. And we'll listen. The market is not. I don't listen. You get a sharper price probably than most would. And you. And you've been looking at this for months, but as we sit here today, it's right around minus 1:55, minus 135 or plus 135. Like, is that where. I don't know what you're.

[Nick Schulman]

I was seeing more like 180, 160. But.

[Nick Wright]

Okay, all right, so then I listen. So meaning with Canelo being the favorite.

[Nick Schulman]

The point I can favorite.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, Canelo is the favorite, but he is not a overwhelming favorite. He's not even that substantial of a favorite. For our. If, if it is minus. If it is minus 180. Just to give context for that, for our, you know, football fans out there, that is the same as the packers money line when they're a three point favorite against the commanders for Thursday night football. Like minus 180 is though those upsets happen all the time. So the. So is it fair to say this? The boxing world believes Terence Crawford's the better fighter at this point than Canelo Alvarez, but because of the weight change, that is what's tilting the scale. Not that people think Canelo, and this is unfair, but is purely a better fighter.

[Nick Schulman]

You know, it's so interesting, Nick. It's like every take you hear, for the most part, Canelo's too big, he's too strong. If, if you, if you talk to the public, that's what everybody thinks. And there's a few takes from trainers too, that really kind of bothered me. Joel Diaz and Abel Sanchez come to mind. They're Just saying, like, Crawford's got no shot. Love him, but, you know, he can't do anything to Canelo. I'll take you back to the last time I bet against Crawford. It was 2016. I was playing the World Series of Poker, and I was playing with Ivy. I was just playing cash, but. And once again, just qualifier. I'm not a tout, you know, I'm going to black out and go nuts and give all my picks and plays. But just so you guys know, you know, protect yourself at all times in the betting. But Ivy said, you know, you like the fights, right, Nick? You want to go tonight? See, bud? I said, absolutely. So he slid me a ticket, and he was fighting Victor Postal, and he was something like minus 600. I got. I got somewhere around six to one on postal. Rangy, good jab, smart, Eastern European. I'm always high up on the Eastern Europeans in general because they tend to be quite humble, pragmatic. You know, maybe a little bit of that's from poker, but also in boxing, they're a little bit slept on in America sometimes. This is a popularity contest. These guys can really fight.

[Nick Wright]

I don't want to interrupt the story, please. Who's the favorite in this?

[Nick Schulman]

Going back to 2016, Crawford was a 6 to 1 favorite.

[Nick Wright]

Okay, so Crawford was minus 600. You bet the dog. You bet.

[Nick Schulman]

I bet the dog.

[Nick Wright]

Got it.

[Nick Schulman]

Go ahead, keep going. I pulled up to the arena, and, you know, much to my pleasure, I realized I had the best seat in the house. And I was alone for four rounds as Crawford was getting his shit off, switching stances. I knew he was great, but this was like something really special and the camaraderie with his team and everything. Ivy pulled up middle of the fourth round and. And spent the entire fight on his phone betting basketball. You know, just eight, seven and a half, not eight. Right. Texting, you know, every once in a while, he'd, like, pop up and come with like, a yes, sir, you know, but then right back to work. So finally, in the ninth round, I said, by the way, Phil, do you have a sa. Did you bet this fight? He said, oh, this fight? I have Crawford, Nick. But you never know. It's boxing. Anything can happen. He got this smug kind of smart, you know, in a Bronx tale, when. When. When mush bet the horse and palmitary rips up the tick, that's what it felt like. I was like, okay, right. And a lot of people don't know this, but ever since then, I. I've. I've actually been business Partners with Bud. And the. The business plan, yeah, it's. It's crazy. And the business plan, it's a really simple one. He goes out there and fights, and I bet on him every single fucking time. And guess what, Nick? Business has been booming.

[Nick Wright]

You've never lost.

[Nick Schulman]

Why would I switch up on my man now? You know what I mean?

[Nick Wright]

So this is. So this is what I want. And listen, die hard boxing fans, and.

[Nick Schulman]

By the way, sorry to cut you off, but after Postal, he rattled off 11 straight stoppages. They call his resume into question, but he beat Jeff Horn, who was undefeated at the time, who beat Pacquiao. He beat David Benavidez, his brother, in a. In a fight where he didn't really engage. And then he found just a gorgeous stoppage. He beat Amir Khan. He beat Kell Brook. We'll get into it. But. But he beat the Mean Machine Cavalierskis, who's great. Please, just. Sorry, go on.

[Nick Wright]

No, no, no. So you got. You got exactly where I was going, which is. And I promise for Canelo fans, we're going to get there. But I want the. What really perked my ears up about this is when we were talking about this a month ago and you said, ivy. And now I'm going to sidebar it real quick. I have. This is a weird thing about the way I'm wired because of the industry that I'm in and the people I've been around because of the industry that I'm in versus poker and the poker world. I have been lucky enough to. I mean, I guess I can say this because it was public. It was. I didn't talk about it, but it was all over the Internet a few months ago. I'm at a Grizzlies game and at the Grizzlies Lakers, and at the end of the game, LeBron James comes over, hugs my wife, tells her it's great to see her, daps me up and like. And I was as, you know, as Leonardo DiCaprio would say in the Departed, my hand didn't shake like that felt. It didn't feel normal, but like, it was. It wasn't like a. As big of a thing as I think people would assume here. Friday night, I'm going to Kansas City to do our first Things first show. But then after the show, Patrick Mahomes Steakhouse. This is grand opening, and I'll probably get to spend some time with Patrick, who I've become, I consider a friend. That's not like, I'm. I'm not saying that for any reason. Other than like to set the table for what I'm about to say. With that said, about three months ago, I was in Vegas at the World Series with Jared Bleznick, and Blez is like, hey, you know what? I was with Blez. But it wasn't Bless who did this. It was Nacho Barbero. Legendary Nacho. I see him as for poor people. And Nacho says to me, have you ever met Ivy? And I'm like, no, I actually haven't. And Nacho says, he's like, oh, you have to meet Ivy. And in that moment, my heart raced like I was a child. Like my, my nerves of the situation, it, it was so unlike anything that's happened to me as an adult. Because if you don't run in those circles and you're a poker fan or gambling fan, he is LeBron Mahomes, whatever you want. Like this legendary larger than life figure. Which is why I say all that to say this, when you said that Ivy thinks Bud might be the best ever. Pound for pound, the best ever was like, holy shit. That's not a, that's not going to be a comment that's thrown around loosely. So my question is, I know he's one of all these fights. What has happened over the last decade that is there a moment? Is there a sequence of moments? What is the evidence or the reasoning? Someone would believe that. Reminder about our friends, our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. Everybody knows and loves the Hard Rock hotels and casinos. And now you can use the top rated Hard Rock Bet sportsbook to place your bets all NFL season and beyond. Hard Rock Bet is the only legal sports book in the state of Florida, the only one in Florida. And it's also available in Arizona, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois and Colorado, with more states launching all the time. You can also play on Hard Rock Bets online casino if you are in New Jersey. Throughout the football season, we'll be using Hard Rock Bet lines to make our predictions for the biggest games as we gear up for the NFL season. Sign up for Hard Rock bet. Make a $5 bet and you'll get $150 in bonus bets. If you win, head over to Hard Rock Bet and sign up to make your first deposit today. Payable and bonus bets. Not a cash offer. Offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida. Offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. Must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia to play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1-888- admit it in Indiana. If you or someone you know as a gambling problem wants help, call 1-809 with it gambling problem. Call 1-800- GAMBLER in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia.

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[Nick Schulman]

And, you know, that was indeed a profound sentiment from Ivy. My favorite Bud moments, in no particular order. Number one, the Kell Brook stoppage. Now, you can say what you want about where Brook was at his career was at in his career, but. And I've ran this back hundreds of times, and I'm not saying that to sound deep, I just. He landed the shortest little right hand. They're both on the inside, kind of like right on top of each other, and they punch at the same time. As the legendary Conor McGregor once said, Timing beats speed and precision beats power. But it shocked Brook to where he kind of didn't know where he was. And if you want, go watch it. For people that haven't seen it, it's the knockdown before the stoppage for the official stoppage. That's one. Another one was Jose Benavidez Jr. Comes to town, comes to Omaha, Nebraska, where Bud is from. Starts going to the barbershop, start talk, starts talking crazy, right? But then he gets out there and fights. Really not to win. Big respect to Jose and the whole family, but he's kind of on the back foot. It's hard to look great against these guys who don't really engage. He's just kind of jabbing, moving, shaking his head. Nope. And somehow, some way, Bud found him in the 12th round and put him out with a crazy uppercut sequence. Wild stuff. And again, do I think Canelo would have beaten Kell Brook And Jose Benavidez Jr. Yes, I do. So I, you know, we're not overlooking the task at hand. Another one was the Sean Porter stoppage, and there's a clip that any boxing fan knows, but it's going into the 11th round, I believe, maybe the 10th, I believe the 11th. Bud's Corner says, we think he might be up on the cards. He wasn't, by the way. Porter, that is. And Bud. Bud looked really surprised, and he said, he's up. And they said, you know, we think he might be up. And he said it again. He kind of said, how? And he looked at another member of his corner, and he said, he's up. And they said, bud, it's time to go. Got him right out. Next round. And it was an amazing sequence. He sort of faked a left uppercut, then let it go. It was like really beautiful boxing. Sublime skills. There was one knockdown where Porter was genuinely, you know, Shocked on the canvas, he looked at his corner, then he got up. Then there was another knockdown where they had a wild exchange in the center of the ring. That's where Porter started punching the canvas. It was a very kind of poignant moment, I guess. You know, he fought his ass off. He's a legend, but it was just kind of like. And his dad threw the towel. And Kenny Porter in the corner. The David Avenician knockout in the center of the ring. A fairly unsung fighter, but again, this is an incredible display of power from in clo. They were off the clinch and he put him out cold in the middle of the ring. This is when he went to another promotion, BK prime or whatever. It was a little bit odd, but that one was shocking. And of course, Nick, the Errol Spence win in its entirety. But especially the little right uppercut. He landed off the ropes in the seventh or eighth round. That's a shot where when you watch it, you don't know what happened. Spence just went down. You have to run it back to see how crisp the timing was. This guy's throwing shots. When you think about throwing something, it's not. The timing is impeccable. All right.

[Nick Wright]

I mean, that was that.

[Nick Schulman]

This is crazy shit going on with this guy is an all time great. And people are so sleep like the. The bud disrespect has gotten wild. And listen, I will eat all these words if Canelo pieces him up and it's just another day at the office, but it's not going to be. He might not be able to win or overcome the weight, but these guys that are acting like this isn't a generational talent who's already unified two divisions and jumping up two more to go for a third. What are we doing here?

[Nick Wright]

Okay, so a few things here that. That's why I. That Nick Schulman needs to be in on these broadcasts.

[Nick Schulman]

Any fight fan, though, there's millions of fight fans out there who could rattle off all those highlights too. But I love you, brother. Thank you. I'm not trying to take away.

[Nick Wright]

I know I make you uncomfortable, but the point I'm making is you're right. A lot of people. There's a lot of people, bro, who know all the stats. I know. But I, I'm. I am. I am aware. But they can't deliver it the way I can. That was. That was awesome. Here's my question before we go to the Canelo side of things. It's actually a two parter. The first one is this because I'M going to show my own ignorance here. Is it fair to say Madrimov is not like a great fighter?

[Nick Schulman]

No, no, no. That's unfair actually.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Nick Schulman]

He is a great fighter and I feel really sorry for whoever has to fight that kid off. Back to back losses to Crawford and Virgil Ortiz. That's the same Madrimov who was a heralded amateur who Dimitri Bivol bought brought into camp to, to prepare for Canelo. And let me tell you something, nobody's going to look good versus that guy. You might get the job done, but no one's going to do that guy. Like, so people love talking about that performance. Like, but by the way, Bud pieced him up and clearly won and had to wait for Turkey Alashi getting into the California hall of Fame. Eight different concerts, strobe lights, a smoke show. It was a crazy delayed event. No problem. The game is the game. But not act like he went out there and looked bad.

[Nick Wright]

I really, that's not even, that's not even why I was asking. I mean it's kind of why I was asking. But here was the point. So Madrimov is a great fighter. He's, you know, back to back tough fight elite.

[Nick Schulman]

He's very good, very, is reserved for.

[Nick Wright]

Okay, sure, but he's, he's not a, he's not a walkover.

[Nick Schulman]

That's a real fight.

[Nick Wright]

But here is. Okay, regardless of that, I'm just looking at timeline since the Spence fight, That's July of 23, but has fought Madrimov and now he fights Canelo in that same timeframe. I mean Canelo has fought, fought four, has had four fights. Now I guess there's two ways to look at that. One is Bud should be fresh and healthy and clean. But how much is it the fact that Canelo is just in the mix? So much more including fighting one of the Charlo brothers. Like and fighting all of these unanimous decisions, it's going the distance. Like how much does that play into what we're, what we could see Saturday night.

[Nick Schulman]

It's a great point. It's very pertinent. Inactivity is, is an issue. But for a guy like this who not only lives in the gym, everybody that's been around this guy attests to that. That's his happy place. That's where he relaxes in the gym. So this is a year round guy, much like a Mayweather who, you know, unretired. And we saw what he did to Juan Manuel Marquez where people were thinking, we don't know. I think it was a 15 month layoff and, you know, his boxing skills were just on full display. And also another thing about Buddha, this guy's team is to me really special. Starting with Bomac. Brian McIntyre, he just seems so humble and so don't make it about me. And he said something that I thought was really beautiful. Terrence actually said this in an interview that when, you know, he strolled into the gym as a kid and has never switched up same team, but as he was rising through the ranks, he went somewhere, I don't remember where, but there were, there were other trainers there. I don't know if it was Olympic trials or Golden Glove, I don't know what it was, but he said, Bomac said to him, listen, any exercises you pick up over there, any tactics, any new wrinkles to your game, you know, bring them back to the gym, teach them to me, because I'm still learning on the job. And he says it to this day, they're always trying to add little things to their game. Esau, Diego, another guy in his corner, wonderful story. Came from Guatemala, tried to make a better life for himself, tried to make it as a pro, struggled to get fights, had a little losing streak. He was in Cali, went to omaha, met Brian McIntyre, Bomac, they struggled. It was, you know, the grind was real. And then in walked 14 year old Bud Crawford. And there's another guy in his team, Red Spikes. And again, you can see interviews with all these guys. They're never, there's no ego there. These are students of the game. So inactivity is an issue for me, more for the guys who, they're in camp, they fight and then they're partying or then they're on vacation. A lot of boxers, because it's a vicious sport and life happens, you know, like it's, we're human beings end of the day. But this guy has wanted to be a world champion since he was a kid and he's been unwavering in this pursuit. That's real, you know that, that's real life. And he's coming. So I don't think it matters that much here, but it's, it is an issue.

[Nick Wright]

All right, let's talk Canelo before we get to how the fight. I mean, it's obvious, you know, what side you're going, but how, how the fight, you see it playing out specifically because Canelo's a legend in his own right and Canelo is the guy who is going to be, I think it's fair to say, more comfortable. Not because Bud's not used to spotlight. But because Canelo is not the one having to change weight. Glasses. What? Again, I'm going to go. As I was saying before, Die Hard boxing fans are going to love this either way. So for the casual fans, how did Canelo Alvarez become Canelo Alvarez? Like, why is he a legend?

[Nick Schulman]

So, Canelo. Hi, sweetheart. Hi, baby.

[Nick Wright]

She can definitely stop by. Both of my daughters have co host.

[Nick Schulman]

You want to come say hi for one second, baby?

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, she absolutely.

[Nick Schulman]

I don't like to put her on. On anything.

[Nick Wright]

Okay. Oh, well, then don't.

[Nick Schulman]

Maybe I'm on TV right now. You know what I mean?

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Nick Schulman]

I love you so much, mama. All right, Canelo. Canelo has been a superstar for a long time. Just, just, just has it. But he turned pro at 15, you know, which is insane. Obviously he has the looks, he has the charm, and he's an unbelievable fighter who's fought everybody. His style is so cool. He's like, he's become a pressure sort of power puncher. But he used to be a slick boxer, kind of incorporating all the elements. But this guy's put on major fights now for 15 years and he's a global superstar. He's an icon. You know, I don't. I mean, we could run through all his moments. No, no, we don't, you know, we.

[Nick Wright]

Don'T have to do that. But is there. What is the. Is there. Is it legitimate to worry that he's obvious? Well, again, tell me if I'm saying, if anything says unfair, it's fair to say, I think clearly he's not in his prime at this point. Is it fair? And if you disagree, tell me, is it fair to say? The question is how far down from his prime he is. And if you had to answer that question, like, where would you put him?

[Nick Schulman]

You know, it's a little bit tricky for me. I think about when he fought John Ryder, I think in Mexico City, and that was the first time I ever watched. And I said, man, you know, he looks a little bit stuck in the mud. He looks just a little bit slower. But he keeps beating guys outside of B Vol. And one thing I'll say, I do think sometimes he will do just enough. Now, when he fought Charlo, Charlo wasn't really engaging. If we're racking up the rounds, getting out of there unscathed and home to our families, you know, I'm talking like I'm in there, but like, what you. Like, you can't really fault him for that. When he fought Edgar Berlanga, he had a really Sweet knockdown. Caught him with the left hook. It was like this shot came out of nowhere fast. But then he just sort of. He gassed a little. He did his thing, you know what I mean? 1, 118, 110. And still when he fought. What's the guy's name?

[Nick Wright]

How long?

[Nick Schulman]

Munguia. Jaime Munguia.

[Nick Wright]

Jaime, yeah.

[Nick Schulman]

Again? Yeah. It's kind of like you felt like he could get the stoppage. Munguia then lost to an Italian dude with a job. I think the guy is like a teacher or a soccer coach. Like something like a 9 to 5 nick. And it's kind of like, okay, that didn't age particularly well, but he got the job done. And his last outing against William Skull, he was struggling to sort of cut the ring off. Listen, he's in Saudi Arabia. And again, he took no damage. He came out of there with a win. But to answer your question, he doesn't look like Ryan Canelo to me, but he's very intelligent. He interviews every time I sleep on him. I find everything he's saying is very smart and sharp and calculated. And, you know, I. I believe he will be prepared to the utmost for this fight. And I don't think he's sleeping on Crawford, but. Yeah, I wonder, after 65 professional fights. 67, you know, you never know. I mean, Father Time is undefeated.

[Nick Wright]

Well, what's weird is Crawford's older.

[Nick Schulman]

Crawford's like, older, but younger in a way.

[Nick Wright]

Exactly. Right. That's what I was going to say it. Crawford is older biologically, but seems to be the younger as a fighter. And I think that's. And again, maybe that's too simplistic. That's my view of it. I. What is the. Are they splitting 200 million?

[Nick Schulman]

I would have to think Saul is getting a little bit more, you know.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, no, I don't mean even split, but I'm saying, like, the purse. The Internet doesn't have this exactly right. I figured you might like. Is it. Is it realistic that Canelo could be getting 100 million and Bud could be getting 50 million, respectively, minimum for this fight?

[Nick Schulman]

I don't know, because we're in unprecedented times where this guy Turkey Alishik, has come in with, you know, big paper from Saudi Arabia, and he genuinely loves the sport. And you know what? I was hating on him a little bit in the beginning, and there's some things that I still found a little bit unsettling. But end of the day, he is putting on immaculate fights and shows, and there does seem to Be some integrity there as far as let's give the people what they want to see and you know, hopefully the judging and so on and so forth is. Is as legit as we can hope for. Now we have Dana White in there promoting his first fight. He's in there.

[Nick Wright]

I don't.

[Nick Schulman]

So is it fair to say Crazy.

[Nick Wright]

I don't love that.

[Nick Schulman]

I don't really love it either. And I heard something today that he's. That they're not allowing these guys from the sanctioning bodies, you know, the wba, wbo, ibc. You always get chills when you. When they start rattling off the 80 belts like he's the former unified WBA. But now I'm hearing White is not allowing Mauricio Suleiman into the ring. Mauricio is a, you know, a Mexican running one of the sanctioning. But I don't know, it's all getting messy and strange and I don't. I kind of like the hood element of boxing but something that when I say hood I just mean, you know, yeah, the streets are involved in this sport, but I want it to be fair. But some. Paulie Malignaji brought up a great point that having multiple world titles gives more contenders a shot. You know, if you only have one belt, it's very, very hard to ever contend for it. When you have multiple, then figure it out. For. For a unified, undisputed champion, it kind of has some flavor. The four belt era, you know, I don't hate it. But anyway, it's complicated, Nick. I don't know what they're making, but it's a lot.

[Nick Wright]

A lot. It's. It's. It's a lot. And it is again, I'm gonna, I'm throwing stuff at you we didn't talk about. But I, if I were to say in the last decade, ish. The biggest fights that you can count on one hand are what I, I think it's pretty definitive. This is one of them. But it's like, like what are this is in line with, you know, give me a couple other fights. As far as the anticipation, not necessarily purse but all of it that goes into it. This is equivalent or. Or bigger or similar to give me a couple. All right. Ever sign up for a phone plan thinking wow, amazing price. And a few months later, surprise, your bill's higher. Boost mobile, you pay $20 a month. Forever. Unlimited talk, text and data starting at just $25 a month. No price hikes, no contract forever. Plus Boost Mobile is now a legit nationwide 5G network. They've invested billions building 5G towers across the country. Visit boost mobile.com or head to your local Boost store today and get unlimited talk, text and data for $25 a month. Forever 5G speeds not available in all areas. After 30 gigs, customers may experience lower speeds. Customers will pay $20 a month as long as they remain active on the Boost Unlimited plus plan.

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[Nick Schulman]

Now I mean Mayweather, Pacquiao. So it's interesting from a purist standpoint, again, not to be pretentious.

[Nick Wright]

That's what I mean. That's what I mean.

[Nick Schulman]

You know what I mean? Like from a purest standpoint, this is Mike Tyson. This right. From a purist standpoint, this is up there with anything that I think any boxing fan can recall in quite a while.

[Nick Wright]

So that's what I was asking. So like when we.

[Nick Schulman]

But even purse wise they're saying this is, there's Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mayweather, McGregor and then this as far as gate and everything, I've heard that, you know, you never know what's real and what's not. But this is up there with Tyson. With Tyson, Holyfield, this is up there with Canelo. Floyd. This is up there with Canelo triple G1, which Canelo lost, by the way, got gifted a draw. Then this is up there with Canelo triple G2 which he lost again. He, he outperformed expectation. Did he back Triple G up for the first time in his career? Yes. Was he, was he swaggy with it and his hands were low and he's shaking his head. Nope. And, and exchanging with the. One of the scariest punchers in the history of boxing? Yes. Do I feel he lost seven rounds? Absolutely. But you know, it is what it is that triple G. How did you know Dick? You just could tell. You felt, you could feel the residual anger. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Wright]

It does feel like there's at least a touch of bitterness.

[Nick Schulman]

Mayweather, De La Hoya, when Mayweather came out not only with 50 cent but the Mexican colored robe and the sombrero, you know. Yeah, I forgot this is up there with these moments.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Nick Schulman]

And let's of course not forget some of the shows Pacquiao put on. And I mean, you know, Usyk Fury, like the, there have been some huge fights. This is up there with any of them.

[Nick Wright]

Okay. I'm going to ask if Canelo wins, it looks like what? If Crawford wins, it looks like what? And I was going to have my third question be. And you think it's going to look like what? But I think my second and third question the answers are the same. But if Canelo wins it, how does it play out?

[Nick Schulman]

So I could see Canelo winning with sublime skills and reminding everybody what time it is. And if you were asleep on him, that was your mistake and he's still Canelo and this and that. Could he hurt and stop Terence Crawford? I guess, man. I guess it's possible. You know, I don't see it. But he is the smaller man. Not in a literal sense. He actually has a longer reach and he's a little bit taller. But Canelo's beefier, he's thicker, he has a bigger frame, and he's more naturally filled out at this weight. And he's been in there with some huge punchers and he seems very, very hard to hurt all time. Chin. I could see Canelo, I suppose, backing Bud down and just wailing on him with huge shots and showing his craftiness and either just winning a somewhat clear decision where Bud is. Is wounded in there at some point and it just. That's how it shakes out. Or I guess even getting the stoppage if Bud wins.

[Nick Wright]

Hold on real quick. Just. I want to stop you real quick. If some. And again, I want to make this incredibly clear. It is very important to Nick that nobody think he's trying to be a tout, as he made it clear.

[Nick Schulman]

Oh, it's the opposite to me.

[Nick Wright]

Right. It is very important to me that I want to respect Nick's wishes that he is not a tout and he is not trying to be. While also I want to get his picks. So we're. It's a bit of a audience to understand. So I am the one presenting this. If someone were going. It sounds to me that if someone's like, I'm fucking betting Canelo, would you like. Betting him to win by decision would be the way you would bet it.

[Nick Schulman]

You know something? Generally you.

[Nick Wright]

Not even.

[Nick Schulman]

No, no, it's a great. No, it's a great. It's a great question. I mean, you have to shop around. You know, there are so many different outs and bookies and. And legal accounts and ways to get down. So number one, I would say look for the best price. If you think Canelo is going to win by decision, try to shop around. Maybe you get. I don't know what that is. That feels like. It's probably like that might even be a small dog because the knockout is on the table as well. Or maybe it's pick them ish.

[Nick Wright]

But I'm looking it up. So our lines. Yeah, I agree with Nick. Our lines are provided by our friends at hard rock bet. But the. I. I think it's like plus one 25.

[Nick Schulman]

There you go. So what I was going to say. And, you know, I don't know if Hard Rock BET will appreciate this, but generally those props they. The bookies and the. The geniuses they hire in the back office kind of know how to present a problem that's hard to solve. You can find value in props. You know, one of my biggest wins ever was a UFC fight where I bet a guy would win by sub, like, plus 2800. It was glorious. You know, by the way, I'm on a huge UFC rip, but it doesn't. You know, it's about time. It's about time.

[Nick Wright]

And on a Hard Rock bet, here. Here's just what it is. If you wanted to bet Canelo, Canelo straight to win is minus 165. Canelo by knockout, technical knockout, or DQ is plus 350. Canelo by decision is plus 1 30. So that's.

[Nick Schulman]

Look, there's a lot of. You have. There's a lot of fans out there who've watched all his fights and a lot of people watching this now, you know, I got that boxing isn't your main thing, but, you know, you. You definitely have a lot of boxing heads out there. So it's really hard to say if you feel the size imposition will be so dramatic for Bud to handle, you know, bet him to win by knockout. I think Terrence is going to take his time, find his openings, and beat the brakes off him with respect and love to anybody that steps in the ring. And I think Bud is live for the stoppage, which is something like 10 to 1. No one thinks it's possible. I do. I think he could land something that Canelo does not see. Shock him from. From the head down to the toes. Hit him with something crazy. And I really do believe that. That Terrence is live to stop Canelo. But the most likely situation I see in my heart, and obviously, I'm a super fan of Terrence. Obviously, I'm biased. I love this guy. I can't. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a huge fan, so you got to be careful betting with your heart. And like I said, that wasn't a joke. You know, combat sports is different than team sports. Sure. Maybe you bet the Chiefs every game because you love the Chiefs.

[Nick Wright]

No, I actually don't. I just will never bet against them.

[Nick Schulman]

You'll never bet against them. Cool. For me with Bud, though, like, this wasn't. This isn't a joke like I, at some point my brain switched on to. I'm just never betting against this guy. You know, it's not the most sophisticated theory, but I've believed for a long time that he's the best guy in the world. So, you know, it all leads to this moment. But it's very interesting and the betting market, if I can, if I may, the market for this, and I wonder how often you think about this in football or what, whatever it may be. But for this particular fight, conventional wisdom says Canelo's too big. It says that this is too tall of an order. In addition to which Canelo is an icon. He's a true household name. And Terence Crawford is like a little bit niche still you, if you go up to people who don't follow boxing, it's maybe now that is correct.

[Nick Wright]

You are correct. Yet he hasn't fully crossed over.

[Nick Schulman]

And yet Canelo is less than a 2 to 1 favorite. I don't quite understand it and it just feels to me like the streets might be talking or something. You know, some big players might be doing some things. But I will tell you this, my mark, I am not a trader, I'm not a finance guy and my market analysis historically has been rather shaky. I've come with some theories and they don't always pan out. But I'm a little confused, confused by this line.

[Nick Wright]

Well, so this is you, you, you, you brought us to and we're going twice as long as I told you we would. So I'll wrap this up quickly soon. But you brought us to what was for good or for bad. What is like an element of boxing which is who's if the fights goes to the cards and it's a true coin flag flip, is there a which of the two fighters is it better for? Let's just call it Vegas to be the winner.

[Nick Schulman]

Well, I, I'm not sure. I, I, I'm not sure. But one thing I do know is there's an old adage, you can't beat Canelo in Vegas. You don't want to go to the cards with Canelo. What about the Arizona Lara fight where he landed eight headshots and by the way, I still think he won the fight because Laura was so on his bike. But it certainly was was nuanced. It's certain he landed eight shots to the dome, Nick, eight and one on decision and one on points. What about C.J. ross who had Canelo Mayweather? 114, 114. Floyd won 13 rounds of a 12 round fight.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Nick Schulman]

What happened there? So I don't want to get too into what might be going on with that situation, because, you know, I mean, but we can all speculate as to why it has seemed very hard to beat Canelo on the cards. And there have been many cards that have come in where it's that sort.

[Nick Wright]

Of feeling in your stomach maybe Bud just has to win in a stoppage.

[Nick Schulman]

I'm feeling a changing of the tides. I'm feeling like integrity might, you know, and again, we'll see. We don't. Only they know who. How this is going to go, but. Yeah, all right.

[Nick Wright]

Do you. Can you. Before you go. And I'm. Obviously, I would never publicly. Maybe privately, but I would never publicly ask you for bet amounts, but can you tell me us your journey of betting this fight? Because it's hard for me to believe it was one time, one ticket, one trip to the window.

[Nick Schulman]

No, honestly, uh, I've only made one bet so far on this fight. It's on my mind. I want it to. To.

[Nick Wright]

To hit real amount of money.

[Nick Schulman]

Yeah, it's an amount of money, but my theory on this. So I refreshed the line for this one for two weeks now, every five to eight minutes. You know, I'm prone to rumination. I have some neurotic tendencies that can turn on me at times, but also as a gift and a curse, you know, and I've accepted myself. But one of them, for something like this is constantly refreshing the line. My theory is that on Mexican Independence weekend, one of the biggest fights ever at Allegiant Stadium, a lot of Mexicans are going to come to town and start firing Canelo. So my theory, which is not particularly advanced, is that if you want to bet Bud, conventional wisdom might be to wait. So I'm eyeing it. I'd love to get Bud at something like 2 to 1 would just be delightful.

[Nick Wright]

However, if I think it's right now in the short term, it's moved a little bit against you.

[Nick Schulman]

If it's by against me, you mean kind of with me, but against what I want to. Yeah. If I'm seeing those tendencies, I'm going to come in again probably pretty soon. And like I said, you know, I'm not a market expert, but I've done this enough for a long time. I tend to have some decent ideas about where the lines are going to end up. So that was my idea. We'll see. And I also have some Bud by stoppage, a little better than 10 to 1. That would be what an evening oh, what an evening. Lord have mercy.

[Nick Wright]

That would be the.

[Nick Schulman]

That would be the my.

[Nick Wright]

His name is Nick Schulman. He was a f. First ballot Poker hall of famer. He's seven. Seven time World series of Poker bracelet winner. He is universally regarded as America's favorite poker commentator. He one day will be regarded as one of the best boxing commentators out there. If I have anything to say about it, it is an honor and a privilege to call him my friend. And when it's not football season, I get to spend a lot of time with him in Vegas. When it is football season, we text about other people's losing football bets and our own gambling weekends. Nick, I appreciate you. You have made me, if I wasn't already heavily invested in Terence Bud Crawford winning. He's a Midwestern kid like me. Is there anything, I would imagine, I don't know. Is there anything that you don't. You want to promote? You want to tell the audience about anyone you want to shout out before we go, any other final thoughts about the fight? Anything?

[Nick Schulman]

No final thoughts. You know, Naoya, in a way, fights this weekend to put eyes on him. He's arguably the best fighter in the world. And, you know, it's a true honor to. To be on your platform. You know, I really appreciate it. And I just want to say when we were kicking in in Vegas and you were getting all sorts of love left and right, it's touching how real you keep it and how, you know, nice you are to every single person that comes up to you, daps you up. You're the same way off the air. And that. That touched me. You know, that's what it's all about, man.

[Nick Wright]

Well, thanks, man.

[Nick Schulman]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Nick Wright]

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[Nick Schulman]

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[Nick Wright]

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[Nick Schulman]

No, that was.

[Nick Wright]

That was a lot. Then a. I think it's fair to say a half drunk Scott Seaver almost tackled it.

[Nick Schulman]

Yeah, Scott, you don't want to. You don't want Scotty. But, you know, aside from that gentleman and he just sort of dropped it, almost like, you know, like, I'll see you outside. Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of like it was like, all right, but. Yeah, all right. Much love, man. Have a great trip. Thank you so much.

[Nick Wright]

You absolutely Give my best to the family and appreciate you coming on. And we'll be back on what's right on Monday or Tuesday, pending what happened to football this weekend. See you guys later.

[Nick Schulman]

We'll try later. Bro.

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