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Phil
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Phil
Welcome in what driving the great episode431 this episode of what Driving the Grid is always is presented to you by Boost Mobile Damanze. Good morning. Good to see you.
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Damanze
Good morning, Father.
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Phil
A lot to do today. Even though this is the slow. There are a few Es in the sports calendar. I consider early March one of them. I think early March, undeniably. And then late July to early August. Those are the two kind of target ones because late March we get March Madness. Then April, May into early June, we have the NBA playoffs right into NBA free agency and then we have another ebb. And then NFL training camp gets going. And in the midst of all the things that I just said, from late March into April, we have NFL free agency in the draft right now. This really just this week because free agency gets going in not too long. So a bit of an ad. But luckily we have one, I think really good NFL story and it's really a sports media story. It's a little it's 30% NFL, 70% sports media and a bunch of good, interesting NBA stories. And we will get to all of them in the next 45 minutes to an hour or so. First, though, things we are not getting to Straight to voicemail. Brought to you by our friends at Boost Mobile. Trey Young supposed to suit up for the Wizards this week. He was ejected from a game. Also that sometimes the coming off a bench stuff leads to a suspension. So could he be ejected and suspended before ever playing in a game? VJ Edgecomb kicks a fan in the face accidentally. I'm always surprised there's not more things like that because courtside seats are so good and so close. Feels like they're always kind of flirting with disaster. And and Doug Christie does smelling salts demand say do yourself a Favor and spend 15 minutes today during your lunch break at work or whenever. Just doing a not a deep dive, a medium dive into Doug Christie's playing career. And most notably, and this is not being misogynistic, this is just a retelling of the history. Just Google Doug Christie wife and it's for someone who is your age and is unfamiliar with the story of one Doug Christie and his wife when he was playing, who went with them on all the road trips and may or may not have even gotten into a bit of a fight with a player that tried to fight him in the tunnel. It was a very unique and I think I remember something again, maybe I need to do a medium dive on it as well. But whenever I think of Doug Christie, the first thing I think of is the very public and very protective relationship.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
That Ride or die. Now with that said, I am, I cannot, I have no idea the currents. I haven't kept up on that relationship. So I don't know what, I don't know what that is. But when I saw him do the smelling salts, that's what I thought of. All right, reminder to everybody, like, rate, subscribe, review to the pod. It helps us out a lot. We by the way, happy one year anniversary to us. Sunday was one year on the Volume. I didn't even realize it.
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Damanze
That year went by pretty fast. It was pretty quick year. Yeah.
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Phil
Pretty. Yeah. Pretty good. And so shout out to all the folks at the Volume, everyone involved in the show, everybody who helps out. We've been with our, you know, the people that do a lot of the day to day producing Blue Duck since the inception of the pod. We partnered with Volume when once I bought the pod back from Fox and owned it on my own. And one year anniversary and I remember that because a year in I get a nice check and so I was like, hey, March 1st. It's March 3rd. That money is in the mail. Is it wire transfer? Like what's it. Because it's. The bank's been open. All right, time to get to the show. Damanze. Let's get to Celtics Bucks.
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Damanze
All right, so Giannis returned from his five week hiatus and lost to my Celtics with no Jaylen Brown. The Bucks are currently three and a half games out of the play in what is the goal for the Bucks at this point?
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Phil
All right, first I do want to say this. I've been very high on Jalen Brown and his MVP chances and you know, giving him a lot of respect. I'm now going to say something totally unfair. His first team all NBA slash MVP ballot consideration took a bit of a hit last night. Just a tiny one. Not because he missed the game, because the guy is basically an iron man by today's NBA standards, but because he missed the game. And it was and it was just like Peyton Pritchard's like, no problem. I got this Hugo Gonzalez, like watch me throw up. A plus 27 in 35 minutes.
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Damanze
Always has that in him though.
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Phil
Like if he was no does. I didn't know Hugo Gonzalez had an 11 and 16 in him. Baylor Shireman with double. All the starters were in double figures. I they're 20 of 50 from 3 and they just annihilate the Bucks. And again I should give a shout out to the weirdest coach in the NBA, Joe Missoula, because he's cooking. The guy's cooking. And so we'll get to more of the Celtics piece in a moment. I do think the end of this season will have at least some impact on whether or not Giannis stays. So I think we can all agree that the Bucks have no, even if they were to make the play in, have no shot of doing any damage in the playoffs. And making the play in is going to be hard because they're three and a half back, having lost the last two before Giannis got back and then last night's game. And the team they're chasing, Charlotte has been flatly an excellent team for the last like six weeks, maybe close to two months. So I think they are actually more likely, if they were to get in, I don't think it would be because they catch Charlotte, who's the 10, it's because they catch Atlanta, who's the nine, and that's going to be hard. They've, they've played 60 games, they've got 22 games left and they are three losses behind the Hawks, who are on a little four game winning streak of their own. And so the reason I mention even any of that is Giannis, you know, doesn't, I don't think he wants to leave, but I also don't think he wants to stay. I think that he is, he wants to have something that does not exist, the ability to stay in Milwaukee forever and compete for championships in the remainder of his prime and that that is not a world that exists. However, the fact that he has not yet forced himself out of there means I don't think he is dead set 100% on leaving. And if Milwaukee could fight its way into the play in, play good basketball the remainder of the season, then maybe he doesn't force the Buck's hand. Now, there is a very strong argument to be made he shouldn't have to force their hand, that the Milwaukee Bucks leadership should say the best thing for the franchise is to move on from Giannis this summer to see what if the spurs have a disappointing postseason, if the Rockets have a disappointing postseason, if the Thunder have a disappointing postseason, what those teams would give us for a guy who is still unequivocally a top five, almost assuredly a top four. Very strong argument for a top three player in the entire world. It seems like neither party here really has the stomach demons a to want to be the one to officially pull the trigger on a breakup. But I do wonder if if in the final 23 games of their season, the first of which was last night, they go 9 and 14 and finish the year 35 and 47 and, you know, tied with or right behind the Bulls for 12th in the Eastern Conference. If they don't say, okay, it's been an amazing run. Giannis is. Giannis has been there a long time. Giannis came into the league in 2013, which remarkably means this is his 13th year with Milwaukee. 13 years with Milwaukee. That is like context on that. LeBron played 15 with the Cavs and the Heat combined. Both Cav stints, plus the Heat stint. 13 years with a team is an unbelievable run. That's as many years as Michael Jordan played with the bulls. 13 years. And so there is no. He won a championship. It's been an unbelievable career. But I do think that if the Bucks go, what would they have to go probably in their final 22 if they go 12 and 8 and get to 38 and 42. No, that wouldn't be it. Hold on. How. What am I. Oh, they have 22 left. Not 20 left. Sorry. If they go 13 and 9 and get to 39 and 43 and catch Atlanta and make the play in, I wonder if they run it back one more year, which I think would just be a mistake for all parties involved.
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Damanze
Do you think a bad. A bad postseason would be. Or a bad end of season would be more eye opening for Giannis or the Bucks front office?
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Phil
I. I think the Bucks front office has basically decided we're only trading him if he tells us to trade him. I don't think that's necessarily the right thing to. Way to do it, but I think that's. That's what they've decided. So I guess the answer would be for Giannis. All right, let's talk Celtics on this.
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Damanze
So, yeah, that Tatum return is looking likely. Looks like it's coming later this week, actually. And he was talking to the doctor and saying he's not coming back to be a role player. How deep are you reading into that or what are you seeing?
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Phil
So that clip, correct me if I'm wrong, is from very early in his rehab. It was just released, but it was from very early in his rehab. So I think what Tatum is saying to the doctor is we need, you know, this process to come. I don't. So I don't think. I think people are. That's not how I read it. I don't think Jason Tatum is saying, the day I come back, I need to be Jason Tatum that everybody knows. I think what Jason Tatum is saying, I need to rehab in a way so that once I'm all the way back, Rust is off. I've played, you know, once I am back to whatever the peak version of me is, it's the same as the version from before the injury. Do you understand the distinction there?
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Damanze
No, I get, I get it.
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Phil
So I think he's saying we need to approach this rehab so that at some point, not immediately, but at some point, it's like Kevin Durant where you. You see no difference in the player pre and post Achilles on a long enough time horizon that we are not, you know, I will, you know, mix metaphors massively here. You tore your Achilles is different type of Achilles tear and you actually didn't have surgery. And one of the things they told you flatly was if you don't have surgery, you will never regain 100% of the athleticism you had before. You're not a pro athlete. And you know what I mean? You were, you know, you were like, that's fine.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
I think what Jason Jayson Tatum is saying, we need to approach this rehab. So at some point I am 100% of the guy I was before
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Damanze
and go ahead, say that he like, given where the Celtics are right now and when he is going to be coming back, that he is more likely to be a role player than not.
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Phil
I think he will definitively so. I think he's coming back in the next 10 days, right? The next 10 to 14 days. I think he obviously will be a role player for the first. Right. Months back.
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Damanze
Right?
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Phil
Yeah. But if he does come back in the next week to 10, you know, week to two weeks and Simmons said he thinks he's coming back Friday and Simmons pretty plugged in with the Celtics, obviously.
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Damanze
Yeah,
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Phil
I think that gives him enough of a Runway to where he can be by the time the playoffs start. Not his, not peak Tatum. I. If he comes back in March, I do not think he'll be peak Tatum until the beginning of next season. But there is a big gulf between peak Tatum and role player. Pete Tatum was first team all NBA, you know, six, seventh best player in the league. Right, Right. So I think by the playoffs he could be back. He could be the 25th best player in the league, you know, like that. And then maybe by midway through the playoffs approaching that top 15, maybe that's too optimistic. But do I, do I think that Jason Tatum, you know, do you look at Derrick White as a role player? I don't. I look at him as a little bit somewhere between like a step above role player, step above role, step below star.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
So like, and I guess maybe there's not a name for that, so maybe that is a role player, like just a high quality starter. So I think it's like superstar star, high quality starter, role player, bench player, you know, and then on down.
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Damanze
That's fair.
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Phil
I think when I think the day Tatum comes back, he's a role player. I think within a few weeks he will be high quality starter. And I think his goal would be by round two of the playoffs, be a star and get back to superstar next season. And I think that's realistic. Yeah, I think the fact that he had surgery within hours of the injury, that he has been. Everything seemingly has been going great, I think that is realistic. And I just. I've tried to dead this before, but I just want to reiterate it here. I think any discussion about Tatum disrupting what the Celtics have going is utter nonsense. Not because he won't at least temporarily potentially disrupt what they have going. I think he will. But I think what they have going is worth nothing for a team that has championship aspirations. What they have going right now is a really good season and an awesome story that has no chance of resulting in a championship. And so you can disrupt that and it's fine if at the end of the disruption, so.
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Damanze
So Jason Tatum was on the Celtics last year and been on the te. It's. He's also not like a new guy, Phil.
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Phil
Oh, yeah. These guys haven't played with him. I mean, that's a. That's. But I would, I would almost. Again, I'll mix metaphors here, and this won't really work, but if midway through NASCAR race. Car is leading and, you know, like, appears just by that snapshot of time or near the front that they could win it.
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Damanze
Yep.
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Phil
But the. The people in the. Again, mixing metaphors on shaky ground for me, but just stick with me. The people in the. The pit crew and the spotter are like, oh, man, our front right tire is wobbly and it's. At some point in this race, it's going, we're going to lose it.
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Damanze
Right.
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Phil
It does not disrupt your ability to win the race by taking your medicine, pitting, falling a little back in the pack and fixing that, because fixing that is a necessity to have any chance of actually completing the race. That's what I would say. Tatum coming back is, you know, all
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Damanze
your ceiling is a broken tire.
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Phil
Right.
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Damanze
But analogous only go so far.
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Phil
Right. What the Celtics are right now is it's not fake, but it is not championship caliber. And so even if the neck the first few weeks with Tatum are rocky, that gives you a chance to become championship caliber. And so I, I, I also think
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Damanze
that does Jason Tatum get to be Jordan love this year?
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Phil
What does that mean?
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Damanze
Well, you're just talking about how if Jordan love this year over this season he had the team, the complete team. As long as he can just be there and not mess up in a huge way, they should be a Super bowl team. Micah Parsons obviously got injured and got a little derailed, but I saw some similarities there.
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Phil
So I think that's interesting. I'm trying to think if there's another comp that I would have for it because we don't have many examples of a team who all of a sudden is going to drop in this late in the season. A guy who objectively has been and is their best player with hopes of winning the title.
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Damanze
Right Already there, yeah.
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Phil
And so it's very fascinating. This is also where Tatum is a bit of a victim of his own rehab. And I've talked about this, so I'll move on after this. If Tatum just had a regular rehab schedule and there was no chance he was coming back this year, I think this Celtics playoff run would have reminded the world how valuable he is to that team. That this Celtic season when if he never came back, it end it ended in round two in the playoffs. Now, I understand last year it also ended in round two in the playoffs, but in previous years we'd seen the team win the title, make a bunch of conference finals, making NBA Finals, it would. As good as Jalen Brown has been, as good as Missoula has been, as good as the team has been, Remind folks that in order to be able to win 16 playoff games, hell, to win 12 playoff games, there's a requisite talent level that I don't think the Celtics without Jason Tatum have. But it doesn't look like we're going to see a playoff run without Jason Tatum because I think he'll be back by the time I get back from Japan. Again, reminder, no shows next week. We are doing Thursday, but no shows next week because I'll be in Japan. I think that Jason Tatum's back playing ball with the Celtics. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock bet. Florida's sportsbook marches here and that means college basketball takes center stage. The stakes are rising, shots are falling, and now's the time to hit the hardwood with Hard Rock Bet with Hoops on Every Night Every night is a shot to build the same game parlay and score a major bucket. If you ever miss tip off of that big game, don't worry. Hard Rock Bet lets you live bet all game long from the first bucket to the final buzzer so you're never too late to find a winner or grab that player prop you had circled. Still riding high off watching USA Hockey win gold, you can back the Stars and stripes in international baseball to Hard Rock Bet as you covered for all your baseball bets. Join me by stepping up to the plate and signing up today. You can double your winnings on your first 10 bets. Max $50 that's right. If you would have won a 100 bucks on your same game parlay, make that 200 bucks. Plus. Hard Rock bet offers new promos daily, so whenever you're listening, just open the app and check out what they've got. Any day of the week, download the Hard Rock Bet app and make your first deposit today. Payable and bonus bets. Not a cash offer Offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida In Florida, offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC and in all other states must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia. To play terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1833 play wise in Indiana, if you or someone you know has a gambling problem wants help, call 1-800-9 with it gambling problem call 1-800- gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee,
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Phil
All right, let's talk a little Lakers before we get to the Thunder and the Nuggets to maze.
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Damanze
Luca turned 27 over the over the weekend and celebrated that by cooking the warriors. Although him and J.J. redick got into a little sideline debacle. J.J. redick seemed to be trying to approach him. He walking away. You were already waved the white flag on the Lakers. Where are you at now with him? Seems like Reddick and the best player get into it.
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Phil
Well listen JJ Redick is a little petty. We all know this. And Luka can annoy his coaches. We all know this. I thought it was I didn't notice on the sideline thing. Al Harrington who was on First Things first yesterday, his first appearance really good job by him. He's going to be on again today. Pointed out what I didn't notice, which was the, the. The interaction started with Luca not wanting to dap up JJ when he was coming to the bench because he was frustrated about something. And JJ then following him and them talking. And then at the end of it, Luca then offered JJ his hand to dap him up and JJ wouldn't dap up Luca. That part I missed. And then Luca pops up and then Jared Vanderbilt kind of stands up and gets in front of him and diffuses it. Great job by Jared Vanderbilt.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
10 out of 10 IQ awareness. Great job by him. And this is where folks can say this is hypocritical of me, but I, I just know I'm. Luka not dapping up JJ is unfortunate but acceptable. JJ not dapping up Luka is unacceptable because the player coach relationship is different. I know JJ used to be a player.
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Damanze
I was about to say JJ did used to play. So I do think.
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Phil
But JJ's got to be the adult. So let me give, Let me just give a different example. Last week, Chris Finch told Ant, you're getting double teamed. Pass out of it. Yeah, Ant did. Chris Finch was like yelled at him. I don't know if he yelled at him, was like, pass out of it. Then with 30 seconds left, up one, Ant got triple teamed, did not pass out of it. Hit an Impossible 3 and then screamed at Chris. Yeah, started screaming. That's what I do. That's who I am. Whatever it is. That again, I don't even know if that's unfortunate, but I do know that's acceptable. Right? Like that. That is what would not have been okay. Would have been as Chris Finch was like, you're yelling at me. I'm going to scream right back at you after. Because there is. Or even if it had got, let's say he had shot it and missed it and Ant didn't say anything. And then Finch yelled at him the way Ant yelled at him, like I told you what to do. It would feel different. The, the coach has to constantly, at least in public, be above it. And that's something where I think JJ can struggle. Um, but I do think that,
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Damanze
you
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Phil
know, Luca Luka is not a perfect player, but he also is once again having an unbelievable offensive season. And the Lakers have the same number of losses as the Nuggets.
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Damanze
And.
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Phil
And no. And. And there has been a lot of the sky is falling with the Lakers and not so much for Denver, who we'll get to In a moment, Joker, we're talking about how Joker might get robbed of MVP because of games played. That issue and that Luka's got no shot. Both teams are terrible at defense. Both teams have 24 losses. I, I, I'm not. And Joker's better than Luka, but it does feel like Joker is not as much better than Luca as he is as much less criticized. I said that very awkwardly, but the, Let me put it like this. The gap in criticism or critique of Nikola Jokic compared to Luca is far greater than their gap in impact, talent, and ability. And now I understand it. Joker's want. Go ahead.
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Damanze
I was about to say Joker. Joker, I think, gets a little bit of a pass just because he's taking more. Taking more crucial. I, I could see Joker complaining. The dude gets. He gets attacked. But, oh, Luca, I think you're talking about Luca whining. Yeah, I think Luka's a little bit different.
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Phil
And Listen, Joker's won three MVPs. Luke has won none. Joker's won a championship. Luka hasn't. Again, I think Joker's the best player in the world, and I think Luca not evolving his game at all has been a little disappointing. The fact that this year with LeBron and Austin Reeves, he has a higher usage rate than any year he had with Dallas is bananas.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
But he is still 32, 8 and 9 every night, and just a uniquely gifted offensive player. Which brings us to Draymond.
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Damanze
Yeah. So Draymond added his thoughts. He said, now when I turn on the tv, all I see is the media that crushed Nico Harrison, which essentially aided in him getting fired, regurgitating the same things that Nico Harrison was saying about Luca.
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Phil
So I, I don't, I don't know how many in the media are regurgitating the same exact things Nico was saying about Luca. I also, we don't need for the 15th time to relitigate the Luka Doncic trade, but it does warrant reminding Draymond and others. Yes, part of it was it was inconceivable to trade Luka Doncic, but what made it the worst trade in NBA history was that you traded Luka Doncic with four pennies on the dollar without seeing if you could get Giannis and some picks without seeing what, you know, if you could, what his actual market value was. And we now know it because you traded him for Anthony Davis, who you then gave away for nothing. So the verdict is in on the Luca trade. And that, and that verdict is, it is an F triple minus. Even if Luca is out of the league in two years, which he obviously won't be. He was still a guy coming off a 34, 9 and 9 season where his team went to the NBA Finals. Now on Draymond, I am surprised that Draymond has found the time to still be, you know, his real passion. Sports media critic. While he is in the midst of an unspeakably bad year and where, shockingly, ever since Steph went out, his team has fallen apart. And Draymond just completed a month of February where he shot 38% from the floor. 38%. And that was coming off a month of January where he shot 40% from the floor. And he started off March in a bad loss last night when they blew a 17 point lead to lose by 13 shooting 20%. I mean, Draymond, who is a Hall of Fame player and a unique person in NBA history and people can say like, oh, it's, you know, his numbers have never told the story of him. That's definitely true. I totally get that. But that was because he wasn't one of the single least efficient offensive players in the entire league. When you're that, then the numbers do kind of tell the story. And when your team is no longer the best defense in basketball, no longer a top five, no longer even a top 10 defense, and for the year, you're at 41, 40, 31, 70 splits on 8, 5 and 5 averages, I maybe wouldn't be casting too many stones at anybody doing anything, but that's me. All right, now let's talk about Lou Dort, Nicola Jokic and unhinged Oklahoma City fans.
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Damanze
So, yeah, you seemed really bothered by Dorch cheap shot on Jokic and said it could even impact their ability to repeat. OKC fans really didn't like that and are now demanding you go after Jokic and his antics last night. Where are you at on both of those cases?
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Phil
Let, let's start with Jokic last night. Jokic did a kind of a bunch of flopping like a fish last night. There's no denying it. And that was a terrible game. But for the Nuggets against Utah, Jamal Murray was awesome and you damn near lost to a Jazz team that don't want to win. Yeah, that would have been an awful loss. And Joker wasn't that good. And he seemed to be bothered by how he was being defended. So he responded by just kind of leaning on guys when they were essentially boxing him out, but boxing him out, not on a rebound. The idea that anybody would compare that to Lou Dort's mixtape of obviously dirty seeming like trying to injure the opponent plays is laughable. It's it almost doesn't warrant a response but I find some of the OKC fans so delusional that I will respond to them because the they found a clip of me saying I if from I don't know sometime on this pod with you you're on the clip of me saying I don't like okc. Like this guy's always had it out for us. Listen, I'm very, very open about teams, players, styles of basketball. I like or don't like that I found the Shea foul baiting stuff to be an unaesthetically pleasing style of hoop. That's it. So I so and I also think I found some of their stuff a little corny the commercials and the group interviews or whatever but I never once denied them credit. I never once said they're fraudulent team I never want I they are objectively excellent. They have been incredibly well built, they're well coached and Shay and Shay's ascension to this level of all time great player is utterly remarkable. So all that's true. Are you are they the team I root for? No. Is there do I find anyone on their team a uniquely captivating personality? Honestly, I think my favorite personality on the team is Caruso. Easy. Do I you agree with me on that?
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Damanze
Yeah, easily.
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Phil
Yeah. I think he's funny. I think yeah, I like Caruso. Do I think they have any guys that are even by for today's era like truly great players other than Shay? Not yet. We'll see what Chat turns into right now he's a very good player who's great on defense and limited on offense despite the shot. We'll see what J Dub turns into. You know, we'll see. But the no, I I mean that's what I think of that. But they are so deep and so well coached and so strategic and such a terror defensively. They absolutely can win the title again and still be set up. And so all of that is true. Here's what's also true. The current undisputed, unified universal champion of the world of dirty ass basketball is on your team Oklahoma City and his name's Lou Dort and he this is a well earned reputation because there have been so many ooh, that didn't look good. But maybe it was accidental that we just needed the one that looked awful and there's no way it's accidental for us to retroactively re indict some of the previous crimes. So I've Always. I've always defended Dortmund on the play Ja got hurt on, I think in the playoffs, like, where was he supposed to go? But Grizzlies fans thought it was dirty. I was a neutral party on the play where he ran full speed into Wimy's leg. Whereas, like, I don't know, the guy just maybe is a little out of control. I can see how that looks bad, but I'm also not sure. I have been pretty convinced that his tendency of when he shoots a three, just sticking his own foot out to try to have the defender land on his foot to be. I put it in the same bucket as when Draymond used to kick people in the groin when he was going up for layups. And he's like, I don't know what you want me to do. Like, I don't know, bro. Literally anything else, no other player in the league does it as dirty but not provable. Provably dirty, but I believe dirty. That shit on Jokic was an embarrassment to basketball. That was a player who was not expecting contact, who did not have the ball, who was going up the court 75ft from the rim and you stopped your motion, you backed up and you threw your leg and hip into him. Now, I'm not going to go as far as to say you targeted his previously injured leg, but I think that's why he reacted that way. Because whether he thought you were targeting that leg or just being dirty for the sake of being dirty, you could have really heard it. And it is. There are way more demands a impactful or violent things that happen in a basketball game than the Dort play that are not nearly as dangerous. And here's what I mean. You can see a 15 minute cut up of LeBron driving to the basket and guys doing full blown swings that end up hitting him in the head or the side of the head or the back of that or whatever it is, none of those are as dangerous as what Dort did. Because the when you are, and I obviously am not, but I know this from talking to guys. When you are a pro athlete, when you know contact might be coming, you have a way to brace yourself and protect yourself, even if it's, you know, you're doing something else. And every time a guy drives to the basket in traffic he knows might get hit here, that is so different than someone jogging up the court who you snipe from behind. Which is what Dort did. Which is why Demanza Joker flipped out. Yeah, that's why you saw the fury in Joker's Eyes. And I am consistent on this because Joker once did something like this to Markeith Morris.
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Damanze
Oh, well, Markief Morris started it, but
- [49:30]
Phil
yes, Marquis Morris started it. But I'm saying he hit him when he wasn't.
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Damanze
It was a cheap shot. Yeah, it was a cheap.
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Phil
It was a total cheap shot. He hit him when he wasn't looking. And Morris got whiplash. Was out for a long time.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
And I really went after Joker for that because when a guy is not. It's not prepared for the hit.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
It's so different than a super impactful hit you are prepared for. It's the. Again, I'm mixing a lot of dumb metaphors here, but it's the walking into a door in the middle of the night.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
Where you have no, you're not even going that fast, but you had no idea it was coming. And you're like, oh, my, is that the worst pain I've ever been in? As opposed to if one of your, you know, if you're slap boxing or something with one of your buddies and one gets through and hits you when you kind of know that might happen, one has more force behind it, the other hurts way more and stuns you way more. And so here's why I think this matters. Because OKC gets away with a lot. And. And this, I do not begrudge them do business as business is being done. If the referees are going to let Casen Wallace and Lou Dort and J Dub and Every and Caruso play rugby out by mid court with the opposition because the refs don't want to call a foul on every play, don't want the game to grind to a halt, so be it. Your guys play hard enough, they're good enough defenders, they get away with enough. It's a huge edge. Do it. But having your best defender, your most physical defender, your biggest, strongest, toughest defender, who's always had a reputation for being at least a little dirty, take a blatant, obvious cheap shot in a nationally televised game against the best player in the world. Now the spotlight's on you. And I think OKC will now be officiated tighter. And I think that damages their ability to repeat the comp I used on TV and I'll use it again. The Eagles tush push was unstoppable. And then one game early last season, I forget which broadcast crew it was. I think it might have been Brady, but he doesn't. I think it was Brady. But regardless, they show the overhead view and they show all the guys false Starting and the announcers like, well, I don't know what you do with that. The officiating expert in the booth is like, I'm done with this play. And all of a sudden couple times the Eagles got called for a false start. Couple times they didn't whistle the play dead and Jalen ended up fumbling. And all of a sudden the tush push was way less effective. They were less comfortable using it and it stopped being such a devastating weapon. And the tipping point was the extra scrutiny from the live broadcast and then the talk show and discussions afterwards. OKC is now under massive scrutiny. And they play, don't they play Denver again in a few days?
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Damanze
Yeah, I was about to say it adds an extra like hate factor to other teams around the league, especially Denver team that you might end up having to see to get somewhere.
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Phil
So they play Denver on the ninth Monday they play. Oh, they play here in New York tomorrow night. Maybe I'll go Garden crowd will be up and I, I think that you are going to see OKC gat a much more similar whistle to the rest of the league the rest of the year. And I think Dort better watch himself on. I'm not talking about other guys cheap shotting him because there is something to be said first. Dort doesn't do a lot of stuff where he's cheap shotable. Like he's not flying through the lane.
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Damanze
Right.
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Phil
And there is something to be said to just being. Yeah, I'm probably the strongest, toughest guy in this game. So do what you have at it. No, but I think the referees are going to be on high alert for his bullshit.
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Damanze
Yeah.
- [54:40]
Phil
And it was just so unnecessary and
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Damanze
it's so much disciple, ma'. Am.
- [54:48]
Phil
Right. So I mean Draymond, I mean there. He's not the first guy to do stuff like this. Draymond. Pat Bev was first team all world at this. Dylan Brooks.
- [55:02]
Damanze
Yeah, Grace, Dylan Brooks is the guy
- [55:05]
Phil
that Grayson Allen really likes tripping and kicking. But Dylan Brooks is the best comp I would have because Draymond also not current Dylan Brooks. Dylan Brooks a couple years ago Draymond, also in his prime was the best defensive player in the league. And a very useful offensive player like Dort is a better defender than Dylan Brooks was but a worse offensive player than Dylan Brooks. And there to be the enforcer type. But you can be the enforcer type without throwing it in reverse and taking out throwing the three time league MVP on Denver just quickly to Monze. I still think they can win the title and Getting Peyton Watson and Aaron Gordon back is an utter necessity, but they have been decidedly mid for months. They were 21 and six December 18th. So two and a half months of basketball later, they have gone from 21 and 6 to 38 and 24. Which means over their last, what is that, 35 games. They are 17 and 18 and needed to escape against Utah last night. They have the 21st ranked defense. I won't write them off, but I'd be a little concerned about them. All right, before we get to Nick Spurs, I want to remind you guys something you might not want to be reminded about. Prices everywhere just keep going up. Rents going up, streaming services going up, your favorite burrito spots charging you extra for salsa. It's ridiculous, but with Boost Mobile, you and your phone bill don't have to play the Will this go up soon? Game. Why? Because Boost Mobile has unlimited talk, text and data plan at a price that'll never go up. In fact, it's the same price you'll pay for Life. So switch now for unlimited wireless at a price that'll never go up. Only at boost mobile. After 30 gigs, customers may experience slower speeds. Customers will pay $25 per month and as long as they remain active on the Boost Unlimited plan.
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Phil
the level all right Damonte, let's do Nick spurs before we do a little NFL so
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Damanze
you were in attendance to watch the knicks snap the Spurs 11 game win streak. New York also beat San Antonio in the NBA Cup Final. Do you think the Knicks have the blueprint?
- [60:34]
Phil
No, I don't think they have the blueprint but I was really impressed by what they did. Wimy was really good but they also Cat and OG and Anobi who guarded him some and Mitchell Robinson just leaned on him. Just you know he played physical basketball with them and I'm not saying he can't handle physical basketball but it seemed to bother him a bit. And the bigger problem was the spurs couldn't hit threes and the the spurs not being able to hit threes could be their undoing in the postseason season. Stefan castle is under 30%, Dylan Harper is under 30%. Luke Cornett obviously doesn't shoot them. So you're going to have at least one and very often two non shooters on the court which can just make things tough over a seven game series and So I listen that spurs didn't lose in February, so you're not going to panic about them. They've been awesome. It was more about the Knicks who were awesome to start the year, had a miserable three weeks going 2 and 9 and are now 144 in their last 18. With the number one defense in basketball, I think the Knicks are legitimate contenders. If we were to find out Jason Tatum wasn't coming back, I'd be picking the Knicks to win the East. With respect to Detroit, could you San
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Damanze
Antonio be in a finals matchup?
- [62:16]
Phil
Sure, yeah, it could be. I mean the again the spurs making the finals would be way ahead of schedule, but they could do it. And I think the Knicks right now have the second best shot of anybody in the east not being disrespectful to Detroit. And Nick spurs by the way, was one of the saddest finals matchups of my life because as a teenager I was partial to the Knicks because the first NBA game I ever went to was a Knicks game. And I loved Ewing and I loved Latrell Sprewell and the 99 Knicks in the lockout year, made the finals and then just got dog walked by young Tim Duncan and David Robinson in those finals. All right, some NFL news. Breeze hall has been franchise tagged by the Jets. That's shocking to me. But I guess Schefter is saying they're going to try to work out a long term deal. And speaking of running backs, there was a running back traded yesterday. So let's get to that.
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Damanze
Yeah, David Montgomery was traded from the Texans. From the Lions to the Texans. Sorry. Something tells me that you're more interested in the reporting of this trade and not the trade itself. What's that about?
- [63:37]
Phil
So, well first let me just do something on the actual trade quickly.
- [63:40]
Damanze
Okay.
- [63:41]
Phil
I think this is an ins because they gave up a reserve offensive lineman, a seventh round pick and a fourth round pick for David Montgomery. I think that is a wild overpay for the Texans. It is shocking to me that that's what they gave up for David Montgomery who I think is 29 years old or he will be 29 in a few months and is a good player but has never been great. And I think that if you're the Lions and this just frees up more touches for Jameer Gibbs. That's awesome. And the fact that you got a fourth round pick and stuff for him is even better. But I have to and I'm sorry, I. I have to and I won't be anonymous on this one and I'M sure he wasn't the only perpetrator of this, but Ian Rapaport had one of the most ridiculous tweet sequences I've ever seen in any type of reporting. So Rapaport tweets, the Lions are trading standout running back David Montgomery to the Texans, landing Houston a productive power back, per the insiders. Sure, no problem. It's very important that we always, in these tweets, compliment the players because the agents of the players are the ones giving us the info. We all know the rules. No problem. So he's a standout running back and he's a productive power back. No problem. I actually got no issue with that. He then writes, a fifth round pick goes back to Detroit as Knuckles leaves Sonic. Okay, so Dave Montgomery for a fifth. He then tweets Update on Terms. The Texans are giving up a fourth rounder, a seventh rounder, an offensive lineman, Juice Scruggs for David Montgomery. Oh, okay. So a little more than a fifth round pick, like, kind of. Again, but those things happen. Like, those things happen like the. Maybe it was going to be a fifth round pick. And then when it got reported it was a fifth round pick, a different team called and was like, don't call that trade in. We'll give you a fourth round pick for David Montgomery. So then the Texans called, or the Lions called the Texans, like, hey, now we've been offered a fourth. You got to give us more. Whatever it is that happens, that is not my issue. My issue is with the second sentence of the updated tweet, which I will read to you in a moment. But again, I'm just going to read without commentary, the tweet. And the first tweet was David Montgomery for a fifth. The second tweet is Update on Terms. It's the Texans fourth rounder, offensive lineman Juice Scruggs and a seventh rounder for David Montgomery. So fifth round value, but a complex deal, buddy. How bad do you expect us to think Juice Scruggs is? It's the meanest fucking thing anyone's ever said about Juice Scruggs in his whole life. Because you don't want to just say, I, I have the details wrong. Juice Scruggs is a reserve offensive lineman who makes the minimum. And what you're telling us is he's so bad on such an awful contract, again, he makes the minimum that if you take a fourth round pick, add a seventh round pick to it, and then add the Juice Scruggs tax, that drags the value down to a fifth round pick. Get out of Here bro, that is not what it is. That is not fifth round value or a complex deal. It's a mid round pick, a late pick and a backup player for the running back. There is no universe where a 4th, a 7th and a player on the minimum is 5th round value. Why say that? I honestly don't understand it. What, what is people's inability to be like oh, little early on that one. And it's not like it'd be one. I would understand the embarrassment if it's like David Montgomery to the Texans for a fifth and it was actually David Montgomery to the Vikings for a first. It's like oh shit, disastrously wrong. Instead you got the team right, you got the pick range, ish, you know, close. Why would you say fifth round value? I don't understand it. It's such a, and it is so symptomatic of what so much of sports reporting is where I gotta be first. I gotta make sure I pay tribute to the player so the agents let me continue being first. And when that happens, sometimes you're going to be wrong again. It's not life and death, it's not that big of a deal. But to then say, just got a
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Damanze
little excited
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Phil
to, to then say fifth round value. It's just on its face wrong. And I can't believe that that tweet is still up. That tweet is not edited. I, I don't. Again, a fourth round pick, offensive lineman Juice Scruggs and a seventh rounder for David Montgomery. So fifth round value. Juice Scrugg who is Juice Scruggs agent? That guy shouldn't I'm finding out if. Hold on. Juice Scruggs agent is Gosh darn it. Oh, Kenny Zuckerman, Priority Sports Entertainment. Kenny demand an apology from Rapaport rather than simply saying oh I got the compensation little wrong. He told the world your client is such a horrible player that even though he's making the minimum, he drags the value of a fourth round pick plus a seventh round pick down to the value of a fifth round pick. It's just such a farce. People are so funny, man. And by the way, I don't even, I, I, I and I keep calling him a reserve. I want to see if I'm even right about that because the Texas offensive line was pretty shaky. Did was spending too much time on Juice.
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Damanze
I was about to say though, a reserve alignment on the Texans,
- [71:18]
Phil
maybe not great, but he, he was their start. He was a starter for them two years ago and last year he played for them. But Only started one game, but give me a break. I mean, it's just so, so ridiculous. Speaking of offensive lineman, very quickly the Chiefs made the most predictable move of all time. They cut Juwan Taylor. Joanne, Taylor is not a bad player. He's a heavily penalized player, but he's not a bad player.
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Damanze
False start guy all the time.
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Phil
Yeah, the illegal formation. He will be someone starting right tackle this year and he'll make more than $10 million a year. But he was going to be 28 million on the Chiefs cap and he's 8 million dead to cut him. So you save 20 million bucks. So you have to do it. Of all my concerns for the Chiefs going into next season, offensive line is not on that list. Josh Simmons. So here's why I thought you might say that because they just dealt with a ton of injuries last year is what happened. But left tackle Josh Simmons is excellent. Now his, when he left the team for a few games, that was not great. But then he, he was great before, you know, early in the year he was great when he came back and then he got his wrist broken by a teammate accidentally on a block that's not on him. Left tackle is set. Kingsley Sua Mataia is a fine left guard. He's not great. He's not Joe Toney, but they trade way Joe Tuney because they're going to pay other guys. He's fine. They have the best center in the league and Creed Humphrey and a really good right guard. And Trey Smith, right tackle. You have Jalen Moore, you have Asapole, you have Wanya Morris, you have three guys who will compete for that job. Again, I'm not acting like they have the best offensive line in the league, but they have massive need at pass rusher, massive need at running back and they might have again a need at receiver depending on Rasheed Rice's status. So it's just offensive line is not where they should be picking at number nine. And I'm not surprised they cut Juwan Taylor. So, and I would be, I would be gobsmacked if they took an offensive lineman at nine. All right, let's do a couple quick listener questions before we go.
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Damanze
Jason says Nick, people always say Lamar is a future hall of Famer. If Lamar retires tomorrow, is he a Hall of Famer or is that just a projection?
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Phil
No, he's a lock stock hall of Famer. He doesn't have to play another down. He's won two MVPs. He's three time first team all pro. I mean that you're it's as simple as that. Three time first team all pro, two MVPs. You're in the NFL hall of Fame. There's no. No doubt about it. So I think that's pretty simple. The trickier one is so quarterbacks who are active right now who, if they never did another thing, are 100% hall of Famers is Mahomes, Rogers, Lamar. I would say Josh is 95% because he does have the MVP.
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Damanze
Mr. Stafford.
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Phil
Oh, sorry. And Stafford is 95% as well. And that. And after that, like Burrows. Nowhere close.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Phil
And I think Russ is probably on the outside looking at. And is there anyone else?
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Damanze
I'm.
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Phil
Is there any other really old guy? No, I think that's the list. All right, last one.
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Damanze
KG says. I love this Kaminga going crazy thoughts on the Hawks with him. What the heck were they doing with him over there in Golden State? Man, that was crazy.
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Phil
I mean, is this a bad look for Golden State at the moment? I will admit I've never been a Kaminga guy, but he has played well for the Hawks, who all of a sudden have won three straight. I will give the kid credit.
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Damanze
And Porzingis.
- [75:36]
Phil
Well, yeah, I mean, Porzingis has like a. A disease or something. I don't know. An illness. I don't want to. I know they've talked about it. I don't want to get it wrong, but Porzingis has some real medical issue that he just can't stay on the court. It's. It's pretty sad, actually. But Kaminga's been awesome. All right, we will be back on Thursday. Reminder to everybody, like, rate, subscribe, review to the pod. I will be on with Cowherd in a little over an hour. Also, a reminder for you guys because I'm actually about to send them some videos on this. Let me see where we're at on it. That. That Splash Sports March Madness contest is ripping already. It's March Madness Survivor. It's 3 million bucks up top, first prize. There's already, you know, a few hundred entries and we're a ways away from March Madness, so you don't have to worry about it filling up. But I jump in now if you'd like. Again, three million bucks. The first place person in that and they put my face on it, so I hope it does well. 150 bucks.
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150.
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Phil
150 bucks. Yeah, it's reasonable. It's enough to where you. You care, but it's, you know, not so much to where it's cost prohibitive and so yeah, I mean, so if you want to do it, do it. I. I'll buy half of an entry for you. De mon if you'd like. Or you. But then you got to split the money with me. You got plenty of money these days. All right. Like rate subscriber to the Pod. Thank you to Blue Duck and one year at the volume. Thank you to you guys. Huge thanks to Hard Rock, Bet and Boost. Talk to you guys on Thursday. What's right?
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Phil
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