What’s Wright - QB Interventions: Joe Burrow TRADE? Hurts & Lamar STRUGGLING, Lakers KNOCKED OUT | Nick Wright

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd — What's Wright with Nick Wright

Episode: "QB Interventions: Joe Burrow TRADE? Hurts & Lamar STRUGGLING, Lakers KNOCKED OUT"

Date: December 12, 2025
Guests: Nick Wright (host), Damon Amendolara

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Episode Overview

This episode of "What's Wright" with Nick Wright, a segment of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," dives into the latest drama and dilemmas surrounding NFL quarterbacks (especially Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, and Lamar Jackson), examines NFC and AFC playoff scenarios, and closes with debate on the state of the Lakers amid NBA Cup action. Nick applies his trademark candor, skepticism, and big-picture storytelling to explore not just player performance but team trajectories, trade hypotheticals, and organizational crossroads.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chiefs vs. Chargers: Season-Defining Matchup

Timestamps: 05:39–16:51

• The Stakes:
  The Chiefs are “almost facing elimination,” with the Chargers game described as a must-win for both teams if either wants to control its playoff fate.
• Chiefs Perspective:
  Nick confesses he’s still emotionally open to believing in the Chiefs’ playoff push if they win, despite their month-long slump:

  "Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style." (06:15, Nick Wright)

• Chargers Urgency:
  Nick argues this is the most open the AFC may ever be, and with Justin Herbert in his prime, the Chargers have to seize the opportunity—meaning, they "must" knock out a weakened KC.
• Playoff Calculus:
  He runs through the tiebreakers, schedules, and potential Week 18 showdowns, emphasizing if the Chargers lose, they risk missing the postseason entirely yet again.

  "If they lose to the Chiefs, and then lose just one of Cowboys, Texans, then Week 18 in Denver could be win and you go to the playoffs, lose and the Chiefs take your playoff spot again." (12:23, Nick Wright)

• Chargers Organizational DNA:
  Nick is skeptical of L.A.’s ability to win high-pressure games, citing Herbert's struggles in big moments:

  "In the three biggest...games that he's played in, [Herbert] has not played anything close to his best ball." (14:23, Nick Wright)
  Nick lists Herbert’s lackluster stats in recent elimination or playoff games (15:00).

2. NFL Quarterback Interventions: Mayfield, Hurts, Lamar

Timestamps: 24:09–34:02

• Baker Mayfield:
  Nick is “least concerned” about Baker’s current struggles, chalking it up to his streaky history and shoulder injury:

  "He's had these little peaks and valleys in his career ... I think Baker will bounce back at least enough to where they stabilize." (24:33, Nick Wright)

• Jalen Hurts:
  Hurts isn’t in trouble, but Nick insists fans and media must accept his “obvious limitations,” especially visible when the Eagles can't dominate at the line of scrimmage. “If Jalen is not willing to activate the quarterback-driven runs and scrambles, that Eagles offense is going to be very, very laborious.” (26:00, Nick Wright) Nick questions the Eagles' hold on the division if Dallas gets hot, warning that Week 18 could be a win-and-in scenario.
• Lamar Jackson & Baltimore:
  Lamar’s in his “worst stretch of football” ever, and Nick speculates about emotional exhaustion or a broken relationship with John Harbaugh:

  "This trend of Lamar missing one of the practices in the week leading up to a game ... sure appears to impact his play. ... It just feels to me like it's more than that... at play here." (29:41—32:08, Nick Wright)
  He floats a bleak theory: Lamar is “resigned” and ready for the next chapter, hinting at a possibly fractured dynamic between QB and coach.
  The only “glass one-tenth full” scenario Nick offers for Ravens fans: sneak into the playoffs as a regular-season underachiever, then reverse their historic trend of playoff flameouts (32:50).

3. Joe Burrow’s Future: Frustration and Trade Speculation

Timestamps: 34:02–44:01

• Burrow’s Alarming Presser:
  Burrow hints at disillusionment:

  "If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it ... if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for?" (34:10, Joe Burrow)
  Nick’s take: “If I’m a Bengals fan, that’s a five alarm fire.” (34:29, Nick Wright)

• Andrew Luck & Carson Palmer Vibes:
  Nick compares Burrow’s state to Luck’s abrupt retirement and Carson Palmer’s breakup with the Bengals, recounting Palmer’s ultimatum after years of frustration (41:00+).
• Trade Hypotheticals:
  Nick proposes a package for a Burrow trade ("three first and three second rounders") but insists:

  “Being in a position where you have to trade prime Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is no getting around it." (38:15, Nick Wright)

• Organizational Dysfunction:
  The segment underscores the Bengals’ tragic NFL history and players' struggles to tolerate it:

  "[With] all of the physical real weird injuries he's dealt with...and contract disputes every year—it’s a tragic organization." (38:13, Damon Amendolara / Nick Wright)

4. NBA Cup & Lakers Reality Check

Timestamps: 48:46–56:46

• Lakers Knocked Out:
  The Lakers, missing a matchup against the Thunder, lose to a “Wemby-less Spurs.” Nick responds to Rich Paul’s controversial comment:

  "Does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team? … I don't think the message is totally incorrect." (49:09–51:30, Nick Wright)

• Thunder’s Ascension:
  Oklahoma City’s Cup blowout wins and regular-season dominance make them the clear favorites:

  "The Thunder in their current form, right now look head and shoulders better than absolutely everyone, and it's not close." (54:09, Nick Wright)
  Nick boosts his own earlier call to bet on the Thunder to break the Warriors’ win record.

• Lakers’ Path:
  Still, Nick says with the “right draw” and health, the Lakers could be a conference finals team—but only if they avoid the Thunder.
• NBA Landscape:
  Nick muses on the Thunder’s depth and the lack of “super villain” playoff closers on teams like Houston that might challenge OKC.

5. Additional Quick Hits

Timestamps: 56:46–63:18

• Bills vs. Patriots (AFC East Pivot):
  Nick thinks the Bills should be favored and must assert AFC East supremacy before New England “elbow[s] them off their corner.” If the Pats sweep the Bills and have a deeper playoff run, Buffalo could become a non-factor.
• Drake Maye vs. Josh Allen Future Rivalry:
  Nick cheekily dubs it “Drake & Josh” and proclaims this could be one of the NFL’s best divisional rivalries for years:

  "Drake May [quarterback] could be a perennial MVP candidate and not necessarily better than Josh Allen, but ... I think Drake May is already a top five quarterback." (59:26, Nick Wright)

• Rams vs. Lions, NFC Importance:
  Nick predicts the Rams will win and solidify their top seed, but a Lions victory would tighten up Detroit’s playoff hopes. A loss would continue Detroit's win-loss rollercoaster, making postseason advancement shaky.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Chiefs & Emotional Fandom:

  "Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style like that." (06:15, Nick Wright)

• On Joe Burrow’s Future:

  "If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it... if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for?" (34:10, Joe Burrow)
  “If I’m a Bengals fan, that’s a five alarm fire.” (34:29, Nick Wright)

• On Lamar Jackson & the Ravens:

  "Lamar is in the midst of the worst stretch of football he's ever played.... I think Lamar is over Harbaugh, and I think Lamar is ready for the next chapter in Baltimore." (29:41–30:36, Nick Wright)

• On the Lakers & Rich Paul’s Critique:

  "Does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team?" (51:21, Nick Wright)

• On the Oklahoma City Thunder:

  "Oklahoma City looks like one of the greatest teams ever. There is no way around that." (54:09, Nick Wright)

• On AFC East QB’s Future:

  "I think Drake and Josh is going to be an awesome divisional quarterback rivalry." (59:26, Nick Wright)

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Segment Timestamps

• Chiefs vs. Chargers Playoff Stakes: 05:39–16:51
• Quarterback Intervention: Mayfield, Hurts, Lamar: 24:09–34:02
• Joe Burrow Dilemma/Trade Hypothetical: 34:02–44:01
• Lakers Out, NBA Cup & Thunder Talk: 48:46–56:46
• AFC East, Bills vs. Patriots, Drake Maye/Josh Allen: 56:46–60:36
• Lions vs. Rams, NFC Lines: 60:36–63:18

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Tone & Style

Nick Wright brings a blend of deeply informed stat breakdown, sports history analogies, and irreverent wit. He oscillates between fan-level agony (regarding his Chiefs), ruthless analyst (calling out Hurts' and Lamar’s “limitations”), and big-picture historian (invoking Luck, Palmer, NBA superteams, and the business side of sports). Damon serves as both a sounding board and straight man, teeing up Nick’s digressions and keep-the-plot-on-track interjections.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a must for fans invested in NFL QB storylines and NBA power dynamics. Nick’s blend of analysis and storytelling makes high-stakes sports drama accessible and engaging—even if you haven’t watched a game all week.

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[Chris Simms]

Welcome in what Driving The Great Episode 402. This episode of what's Right in the Grid is presented to you by our dear friends at Boost Mobile. Very busy last 48 hours or so for me and a lot to get to in today's show. So. Demanze. Great to see you with a.

[Demontez Stitt]

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[Demontez Stitt]

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[Chris Simms]

Nipsey Hussle. Yeah. The late Nipsey Hussle. That's what I thought. That's a love that. If you're watching on YouTube, Demonte is wearing a marathon T shirt which just looks outstanding. You look great. You look better rested than I would have expected.

[Demontez Stitt]

So it seems like last night was a good one. Last night was a good one.

[Chris Simms]

Okay, good.

[Demontez Stitt]

Got all the big cries out at like 8, 9pm so.

[Chris Simms]

Okay.

[Demontez Stitt]

Like 2, 3 in the morning. We were good.

[Chris Simms]

Okay. Awesome. I'm glad you're getting some rest, getting acclimated. If people are like big cries. What are you guys talking about? Demonte's going through a really hard time and he's been emotional lately. No, Demonte's got a one month old at home and so he's. He's dealing with that. Let's get right to it. Straight to voicemail. Brought to you by Boost Mobile. Mike Evans is back. I'm gonna go ahead and say he's not gonna average 215 yards a game over the final four. So the thousand yard streak is over. Philip Rivers is returning. We will cover that in the gambling show. And listen, the producers are saying. Are Nick and Pablo beefing again? Listen, Nick and Pablo were never beefing. I have also never been shy or ambivalent about the fact that maybe there is something psychologically wrong with me. But I have a list. And it's through no fault of their own of what I consider to be media rivals, which is anyone in my field or my field adjacent who is my age or younger. And I have said many a time that I must vanquish them. And after yesterday, one less person to vanquish. Let's get to the Chiefs. Go ahead.

[Demontez Stitt]

So your Chiefs are almost facing elimination. They are at a rough spot. This is a must win against the Chargers this weekend. They are plus 500 to to make the playoffs. You said with this game you would believe in them. Again. You, you also had a crazy take about this being a must win for the Chargers on your show. Did you care to explain both of those?

[Chris Simms]

Okay, sure. So listen, all +500 doesn't seem like as long of a shot as it feels like plus 500. It feels like the way. And what I said about what I would believe in is. I understand it is irrational, so to speak, but what, what is definitively true is if I know myself and if the Chiefs win this weekend within the Titans on deck with the possibility of a Chargers collapse, I will be. Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style like that. That is true. Um, it's also noteworthy to me that this line is up to I think five and a half. The Chiefs that haven't played a good 60 minute 4 quarter football game in a month and a half are a five and a half point favorite over the nine and four Los Angeles Chargers. And so I will get more to the chief side in a second. But I do want to explain what I was saying yesterday about this being a must win for the Chargers. And I suppose that is a matter of perspective. But the per. If your perspective is that the Chargers in an AFC that will likely never again be this wide open in a playoff field where Herbert walks into it likely as essentially the second most experienced quarterback to Josh Allen in the afc. Well, Aaron Rodgers would be the most experienced. But I almost feel like at this point like that circle has come all the way around where his experience works against him because he's so damn old. And so let me put it like this, this is maybe the better way to put it in this playoff field. Herbert will be one of only three quarterbacks that are in the prime of their careers with it being Josh, him and the Prince. Most people believe he's better than the Prince. He's obviously older, more experienced than the young guys. So in that regard that really works in their favor. They are coming on. They are while still dealing with injuries, getting healthier. They just got their running back back, their first, their Omari and Hampton, their first round pick. When John Jim Harbaugh got there, he talked about winning multiple Super Bowls, right? He talked about this being a championship operation. And so if you are looking at the Chargers from through the prism of can they for the first time since Philip Rivers was there, go on a real playoff run? Can they for the first time since the mid-1994 potentially make a Super bowl then in order for you to believe they have that gear they absolutely must go into arrowhead and end the chief season. This Chiefs team is playing its worst football is wildly banged up and in fact I do want I meant to check this before I want to see if they've updated it real quick. Yes they have. So the Chiefs injury report Trey Smith back but Juwan Taylor still has not practiced so much like the Chargers. The Chiefs are going to be going potentially going into this game without either of their starting tackles or their top backup tackle in Wanya Morris. So the and the Chargers have the opportunity to into the Chiefs officially put them out and if they don't then I will feel like I know one thing and start to be concerned on the Charger's behalf of another thing. The thing I will feel like I know is is this team doesn't have win three straight playoff games get to the super bowl gear it because I don't think they there are parts of that Eagles game that they should feel great about and then there are parts of that Eagles game where they should feel very very fortunate that Jalen Hurts gave it away at the very end. So I I will feel like I know they don't have a Super bowl gear and the thing that I would be concerned about demands a if they lose this game is that they might be playing in Week 18 with the playoffs on the line. So that is the wrinkle here. The wrinkle here is and there's a lot of ifs here this is why it's plus 500. But if we assume the Colts are not going to go well I guess for the Chargers case this doesn't really the Colts don't really matter but I'm going to include them anyway aren't going to go three and one or better down the stretch. Then that final AFC playoff spot likely comes down to Chiefs Chargers. Again if the Chiefs win this weekend and if they do and then we assume Kansas City is going to be Tennessee the following week then it can start to get a little tight for the Chargers because after the Chiefs game they have three straight brutal opponents. They are at the Cowboys home for the Texans. And then this is the game that I'm focused on at Denver in a game that might for the Broncos be win this game and you are the 1 seed Denver and the Chargers will be in a position of if they lose to the Chiefs that if again I said there were going to be a lot of ifs they don't win both of them Cowboys Texans if they lose just one of those games then week 18 in Denver could be winning. You go to the playoffs, lose, and the Chiefs take your playoff spot again. That is assuming the Chiefs beat the Titans and Raiders and they win a home game against Denver in week 17. That'll be very difficult. So that's the. For a team that I think has, as far as its organizational DNA, has a lot of hitting tight in big spots.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah.

[Chris Simms]

And whose quarterback in the three biggest. The two playoff games and the one other, if you remember, win and you're in week 18, game that he's played in, has not played anything close to his best ball. I'd be a little nervous about it. Go ahead.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah, I was about to say I feel like the last time he was in that spot he threw like four picks or I could be.

[Chris Simms]

No, the playoff game. The playoff game was for four picks.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah. Okay.

[Chris Simms]

Last year.

[Demontez Stitt]

Last year.

[Chris Simms]

So the, the, the three, it, there's been one winning you're in and two playoff games. The winning you're in was against the Raiders in week 18 where he had an 80 passer rating, completed 53% of his passes, they lost in overtime and the Raiders with their interim head coach went to the playoffs. The playoff games were a 27 point lead late in the first half and then did absolutely nothing the entire second half and they lost by a point to the Prince. And then last year a 1 touchdown, 4 interception, 40 passer rating, playoff game where he completed 44% of his passes.

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[Chris Simms]

The chart flip side is Chargers win this weekend and it's all good. You essentially lock up a playoff spot, you definitionally knock the Chiefs out of the postseason and it's good. And so that's why this is such a huge game for the Chargers and for Kansas City. We are just going to find out if the three time defending AFC champs have any fight left in them or if the last three years, and you know, bigger the last seven years have taken a toll and you know, this is it for the year. It'll be a sad way to go out if that's how they go out. But given how they've played the last month, I'm not going to sit here and project this confidence that there's no chance they go out that way.

[Demontez Stitt]

Is that game going to have a roof on it? Is that going to be in a dome or is which game when they play the Chargers?

[Chris Simms]

No, it's in Kansas City.

[Demontez Stitt]

Oh, yeah. All right.

[Chris Simms]

No, no, no.

[Demontez Stitt]

I was curious about, I mean, if it was in a dome, I'm definitely taking the Chiefs, but it's not a Dome. So I don't know.

[Chris Simms]

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[Chris Simms]

All right Damonte, let's talk about some quarterbacks.

[Demontez Stitt]

Let's talk about some slumping quarterbacks. First off your guy Baker Mayfield's kind of falling off a cliff since a few weeks ago. They are asking if Jalen Hurts should be benched after winning a Super bowl and Lamar Jackson is just not. Lamar, I'm praying for you Lamar. What's your level of concern for each quarterback first off and who do you expect to bounce A bounce back a.

[Chris Simms]

Bounce back first from Listen, I think Baker will bounce back but this has been a really grizzly stretch for Baker but I think Baker that I don't know if there's a positive or negative but I'm going to at least in my mind make it a positive. With Baker it's very simple. He's just not playing well and he's had these little peaks and valleys in his career. Like now he is dealing with a left shoulder injury and so that does make you a little concerned because that can linger and it's an injuries dealt with before but I think Baker will bounce back at least enough to where they stabilize they win that division and and Baker's been a gamer in the playoffs his whole career so Baker is the one I'm least concerned about.

[Demontez Stitt]

Go Hurts.

[Chris Simms]

I'm not so much concerned about him demons a as I am just accepting of what I feel like are some his pretty obvious limitations which again limitations doesn't mean you're bad and it limitation having limitations does not mean that you're not a good quarterback or obviously the guy the reigning you're not.

[Demontez Stitt]

Good at something though. There's a limitation, right?

[Chris Simms]

It means there are. It means you are not a whole complete yeah, well you're not excellent at everything. Let me put it as kindly as I can. And I think what we're seeing and what we saw in 4K Monday night was Jalen hurts limitations as a hit every quadrant of the field drop back passer are glaring and when he is in the situation he's in now where it's like oh, the offensive line went from maybe the best in the league to mediocre. The running game went from the best in the league to mediocre and we are going to need the quarterback to go out there and make plays if Jalen is not willing to activate the quarterback driven runs and scrambles more than that Eagles offense and is going to be very, very laborious. Everything is going to be hard and so that is to me just the a reality that is not going to change it. He, he's not going to get any taller. He's not going to all of a sudden become a pinpoint intermediate over the middle of the field passer and you've got to find ways to scheme and coach and work around that. But I am really concerned about Philadelphia and I am not writing in pen that they are winning that division because again there are some ifs here. I understand. But if you believe that the Cowboys are going to beat the Vikings this weekend, I do beat the Chargers in Dallas next weekend, they certainly could. And then win at the Commanders and then if you believe that the Eagles let's just give them the next two wins that they're going to win against the Raiders and win against the Commanders but then believe they are going to lose to the Buffalo Bills. So if the Cowboys go 30 and the Eagles go 2 and 1 with a loss in Buffalo then the Eagles will enter week 18 facing the situation of if Dallas beats the Giants and those games would be played simultaneously, the Eagles win the division by beating the Commanders and their season is over by losing that game. And this Eagles team that has been hanging by a thread emotionally throughout the year, I would be very nervous about that that becoming reality. And so it doesn't take some massive swoon for them to be facing a winning you're in losing, you're out week 18 game. It's a somewhat to me likely scenario so I'd be worried about that. With all that, said Damanze, I am most worried about what's going on in Baltimore.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah.

[Chris Simms]

So I. Lamar didn't practice again yesterday. So that's now five straight weeks. He's missed at least one day of practice. It was not. He was not listed as missing practice with an injury. It was listed as rest. And Harbaugh was asked about it and said, listen, basically, if the player. You got to trust the player, and if the player says he needs it, then we're giving him the day. I think it is also very fair to say that this. I don't even know if I want to call it a strategy, but this trend of Lamar missing one of the practices in the week leading up to a game has not let. Has. Has shown. It sure appears to impact his play.

[Demontez Stitt]

He.

[Chris Simms]

He is in the midst of the worst stretch of football he's ever played. And my. This is just a blind theory. Demands a. But I think Lamar is over Harbaugh, and I think Lamar is resigned to a degree, to the fate of the season. And I think that Lamar is ready for the next chapter in Baltimore. And so I don't think we're all of a sudden about to see great Lamar. I think he'll be better than he's been the last month, but I don't think. I think Lamar is ready for the Harbaugh, Todd Monken Mini era and the long Harbaugh era to be over. And I think the fact that John Harbaugh cannot seem to get a handle on the health and practice status of his star quarterback is an ominous, ominous sign. So.

[Demontez Stitt]

I'm surprised you said it's hard. Like some of the stuff that I see going on with LeBron or LeBron, Lamar, it doesn't really seem like a. Like a Harbaugh problem. It kind of seems like a Lamar problem. But you're. You're saying that you might be despondent to him, and it's just like.

[Chris Simms]

Yeah, I mean, I just. I agree with. I think the biggest problem right now for Baltimore is their star quarterbacks having the worst stretch of his career. But I. It just feels to me like it's more than that right now at play here. Do you. Do you have a Baltimore super bowl take?

[Demontez Stitt]

Well, I feel like it kind of.

[Chris Simms]

Feeds into SAG here.

[Demontez Stitt]

It kind of feeds into the betting show later. I think it would. You know, it would. It would require me to reveal one of my legs.

[Chris Simms]

Oh, okay. So we tease that, I think. Yeah.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah, exactly. I'll Save it for the next show, okay. Because it'll make more sense.

[Chris Simms]

Okay, Here is the glass 1/10 full version of the Ravens moving forward. They're going to win just enough to win that terrible division. They win the final game against Pittsburgh and they get in at 9, 8 or something. And a Ravens team that has very consistently been this regular season juggernaut and then playoff underachiever reverses it this year, where they are a regular season underachiever, go into the playoffs with no expectation, with people not believing in them, and that is why they end up going on a run. Do I believe that is likely? Absolutely not. Do I even know if that is possible? Not really. But that would be. If I were a Ravens fan. That's what I would be trying to convince myself is going to happen. All right, let's talk Joe Burrow.

[Demontez Stitt]

So we all know Jord Joe Burrows had it pretty rough over there in Cincinnati. He had a press conference yesterday and here's what he had to say.

[Chris Simms]

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[Demontez Stitt]

Have the Bengals broken Joe Burrow?

[Chris Simms]

You really don't like when your franchise quarterback who's not yet turned 30, says, if I want to keep doing this, that is, if I'm a Bengal fan, that's a five alarm fire. And it is a shocking, it's a shocking enough quote. I thought about leading the show with it, but I, I, I feel like you guys, when the Chiefs are down, want to hear my Chiefs pain and cope. So I led with the Chiefs. But Joe Burrow, who, you know, still has, what does he have four years left on his massive deal. Yeah, four years left on his five year, $275 million contract. Him talking about if I want to keep doing this, I, I would be lying if I did not say it at least briefly. Gave me Andrew Luck vibes of, oh, man, has this guy just his body's been through so much. He was so close so early and now the team seems to be getting further away that he's like, I don't, I'm not enjoying this.

[Demontez Stitt]

And also seeing his predecessors continuously, you know, make it to the postseason and battle it out and he's had to sit out a couple of them.

[Chris Simms]

Probably right. Takes a toll on the brain playoffs in a row. And I also think there is the emotional toll of man, my second year in the league, I have the ball in my hands in the super bowl with a chance to go win it after beating my homes. My third year in the league, I have the ball in my hands in arrowhead with a chance to go back to the super bowl tie game and really vault myself above Patrick. Been in the league three years, made back to back Super Bowls. You have it. You've lost to me. And those two moments, those two drives where his blocking broke down by the way, on both he got hit on the final pass of both seasons in the Chiefs game he didn't even, wasn't even a final pass. Chris Jones just sacked him the Rams game. Aaron Donald gets right to him but he's. He takes the field in year two in the super bowl saying touchdown. I'm a champion forever. He takes The Field Year 3 AFC Championship Game Field goal. I'm back in the super bowl and I kind of own this Mahomes rivalry. And now we're at the end of year six and that was his last playoff touch. That's tough. That's like a really. And then you add to it all of the physical, real weird injuries he's dealt with. Turf toe and the wrist thing and dealing with the different franchise holdouts and contract disputes every year.

[Demontez Stitt]

Tragic organization.

[Chris Simms]

Well, yes. And it is, it is why some people said you know, do an Elway or an Eli and don't go there. And so you know people asking what would a Joe Burrow trade look like? I mean to as I did on TV yesterday and you know I'll do on radio again or on podcast today. To quote Mike Meltzer, being in a position where you have to trade prime Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is no getting around it. But what would a Joe Burrow trade look like? Three first and three second rounders. Your first and because you can, you're only allowed to trade three picks in the league. The Daniel says Miles Garrett and the Browns picks, they would never listen. I don't think they would trade Joe Burrow but if they were to, they certainly wouldn't do it in the division which is a bit of a shame because the Browns have all the picks like the another team that has, you know, the team that could trade you for first round picks other than the Browns is the Rams because they have two picks in this upcoming draft. But. And that would be a really interesting one if the Rams did bleep them picks again. But that would only make sense if Stafford were retiring after this year. You know what I mean? Like they wouldn't they. You couldn't roster Stafford and Burrow to be like, hey, Burrow's going to sit a year and then take over. So the timing of that wouldn't work. But this is if I'm a Bengals fan, I am terrified of that press conference. Terrified of it. And we've seen guys walk away. We haven't the only. You're way too young to remember this Demonte but the only and he wasn't quite quite a star at this point in his career, but he, he so hold I'm just going to, I'm going to tell this story in a different way. Once upon a time in Wow. I didn't even think about this. Great job Nick, for putting this together in real time. Once upon a time there was a number one overall pick quarterback who after seven eight years in the league with some wasn't us. He was not Joe Burrows level, don't get me wrong. But one year he led the league in touchdown passes, finished top five in MVP voting. It was actually his second year, probably his high water mark. Went to the playoffs a couple times, had disappointing postseason defeats and one of the postseasons suffered a catastrophic injury on right when the first playoff game started. Essentially that player right after he turned 30 woke up one morning and said I'm either retiring or you're trading me, but I am not taking another snap for this franchise. And that number one pick quarterback name was Carson Palmer. And Demon, I'll give you one guess. What franchise do you think he played for?

[Demontez Stitt]

The Chiefs.

[Chris Simms]

Oh man, you blew that. That's the worst job you've done in a long time.

[Demontez Stitt]

Carson Palmer. No. Who did Carson Palmer play for? The Bengals.

[Chris Simms]

I'm talking about Joe Burrow and the dysfunctional Bengals and I gave this whole story so I'm going to let you have another try.

[Demontez Stitt]

No, it's the Bengals.

[Chris Simms]

What team? The Bengals. Good job. That was, that was I was really trying to set I I, I know this happened literally when you were a t small child, but I thought I gave you enough enough context.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah. No, the nature of it. Yeah.

[Chris Simms]

100% the it was the Bengals. And so the only other guy like and I'm Joe has not demanded a trade. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he has, but.

[Demontez Stitt]

Sounds like he's closer to demanding a trade than not demanding a trade at.

[Chris Simms]

Some point or walking away.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah.

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[Chris Simms]

All right, before we get to some of the other NFL stuff, let's discuss some of the NBA cup and Lakers and basketball stuff.

[Demontez Stitt]

So last night your Lakers got knocked out of the NBA cup by a Wimby list Spurs. This is coming right after Rich Paul said that the Lakers aren't even a Western Conference Finals team. Oh what? How should Lakers how should Lakers fans feel like feel right now?

[Chris Simms]

First of all, I haven't listened to the pod yet, but I'm being told Rich was just firing off takes, including advocating for, I think Lamar to be traded, advocating for Mahomes to be traded to the Cowboys and then throwing in that yeah, the Lakers don't have enough and here's the thing about what Rich said and last night's game. Cause they're kind of tied together. First of all, it needs to be noted people are talking about what Rich said as If Rich has one client. LeBron James. It's like wow, LeBron's agent says the Lakers don't have enough. Rich has 50 clients all over the league. LeBron is obviously the most prominent, obviously the most noteworthy. And LeBron and Rich founded that agency together. But it is one could argue that you know Rich, Anthony Davis, not one could argue he is Anthony Davis is a client. Tyrese Maxey's a client like Rich ads clients all over the place, right. And if he's going to do this pod, he's always going to be given takes about teams that, you know his clients are on. It's why this is going to be so fascinating to see. And I really like Max Kellerman a lot. And so I think it'll, you know, good for them on that venture and good for them for making waves with the first episode. Furthermore, I understand people might not like hearing it or might not like who the messenger was, but does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team? Now maybe that's more about that. No one is because the Oklahoma City Thunder exists who by the way won their NBA cup game last night by 50. And the the biggest to me the most disappointing part of the Lakers losing that game was was I would have liked to see how the Lakers stack up against a fully healthy Thunder team in a as meaningful of a regular season game as you're going to get the NBA cup semifinals. But instead they lost to a Wimby list spurs. Which speaks additionally to I think Rich's overall point, which again I disagree that the Lakers are not Western Conference finals caliber. Like I do think if they got the right draw and if they're healthy, they could make the conference finals. If they're on the opposite side of the bracket of the Thunder, which means they're the two or the three seed. But when you see the spurs are now have the same record as the Lakers at 17 and 7 and Wimby hasn't played in nearly a month, you do start to be get concerned about, well how, how even if you set Oklahoma City aside, where do the Lakers stack up in the West? Like Denver is outstanding. Houston unbelievably has the best offense in the league and the spurs are have won seven of 10 and their young guards are playing out of their mind and Wimby at some point is coming back so people can dislike what Rich said. But I because of who the messenger is. But I don't think the message is totally incorrect. Now evidently Wimby could return this weekend, which maybe gives us a chat. Wimby game in the NBA cup semifinals, which would be sick. But I would imagine when Wimby comes back, he's going to be on a minute's restriction and we're going to be very cautious with him. Let's talk a little more NBA cup to Monze real quick.

[Demontez Stitt]

So the Knicks and the Magic are coming out the east and the Thunder and the spurs coming out the west like you just discussed. And they just, they did win that game by nearly 50 and they're minus two 50 to win the whole thing if they steamroll the tournaments of the league. Pack it up and just come again next year.

[Chris Simms]

I listen the Thunder in their current form right now look head and shoulders better than absolutely everyone. And it's not close. It's very hard to repeat. No one's done it since the Katie Steph Clay Draymond warriors and no one's come close to doing it since then. Nobody's made the finals to defend their title and I don't think anyone's made the conference finals the year they were defending their title since the Katy Steph Warriors. But it feels like it would take act of God for this Oklahoma City team to not make the conference finals and it would take a legendary legendary Nikola Jokic or Luka Doncic or and this is where you worry about the Rockets a bit because they don't have one of those super villain guys that can just, you know, put a team on his back over the course of an entire one round against a super team. I, I don't want there to be no drama or suspense or stakes to this NBA season. But right now Oklahoma City looks like one of the greatest teams ever. There is no way around that. And I told you guys a month ago that getting them at 16 to 1 to break the warriors wins record. I liked that bet. And now God only knows what it is. It's probably like five to one and at that time you could still get plus like 350 on them hitting 70 wins. At this point I'd be shocked if they don't win 70 because their depth makes them. They basically can deal with an injury to anyone on the roster other than Shea and be totally fine. They, you know, they, they started the season without J Dub. They've had different guys out and none of it matters I'd love to see Wimby back and see what Wimby can do against them in the NBA cup, but I don't think that'll really be a fair test of it because it's, it would be Wimby's first game back. All right, let's talk a little more football before we move on.

[Demontez Stitt]

New England upset Buffalo back in October and now Vegas doesn't know who should be favored in this next matchup. It's flip flop back and forth. Who do you think should be favored in this Bill's New England game?

[Chris Simms]

Listen, I think the. And we'll talk about this more in the pick show. I think the Bills are going to win. And part of that's because I think that the Bills like.

[Demontez Stitt]

The.

[Chris Simms]

The Bills can't let the Patriots this quickly elbow them off their corner like the Patriots cannot. And I understand this isn't like deep analysis, but it is just how I feel. The Bills cannot allow the Patriots to become the true class of the AFC east before the Bills make a Super bowl with Josh Allen. That would be a catastrophe. And so I just don't. I, I also think that Josh just played a 10 out of 10 game against Cincy. I do think, by the way, the Patriots are going to win the division. Don't get me wrong. Like, I think the Patriots are going to hold on to their divisional lead and win the division, but I don't man, the. This would be a disaster in Buffalo if before they actually have a like play for a championship, New England becomes like the preseason favorites in the AFC east. Which if they sweep them this year and have a more a sturdier playoff run than Buffalo, then they definitely will be.

[Demontez Stitt]

Would just be really sad. It's like, oh, Patrick Mahomes, the boogeyman, the boogeyman. Drake May comes in. Drake May's the reason. That would be wild. Who do you think will be the best quarterback in the AFC in five years.

[Chris Simms]

In the AFC east five years from now? Five years from now? Drake.

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah.

[Chris Simms]

I think that it's not like Josh is. Well, I don't know. Listen, I, I think Drake and Josh is going to be an awesome divisional quarterback rival.

[Demontez Stitt]

Drake and Josh is in there. That's crazy. I didn't realize that.

[Chris Simms]

Yeah. Is that one of your shows?

[Demontez Stitt]

Yeah. Yeah, man. That was like one of my favorites back I think was Nickelodeon. But yeah, Drake and Jo.

[Chris Simms]

Yeah. And listen, I, I get a little annoyed with some of the Patriot stuff because of Wilds, but I think Drake May is awesome. I think he's awesome. And you know, Josh Allen is an all time great already. So I, Drake May could be a perennial MVP candidate and not necessarily better than Josh Allen, but they to me, what Josh has to deal with over the, you know, rest of the prime of his career with Drake maybe is so much tougher than what Patrick is going to have to deal with with Bo Nix or even Herbert. Like, I think Drake May already is better than Herbert and I think Drake May is already a top five quarterback. All right, let's talk a little Lions, Rams, quickly before we get to our gambling show for tomorrow.

[Demontez Stitt]

So the Rams are at the top of the nfc. You've got a lot of faith in them. They're at the top of your tiers. They got Detroit this week, though. It's a big test who could make a bigger statement with a win in this game.

[Chris Simms]

Well, listen, this game is wildly important for both teams and it's wildly important for both teams in this regard. Like, the Rams have just been rolling and killing people. I know they lost two weeks ago, but that feels like a bit of a blip. But because of that loss two weeks ago, if they were to lose this game, the, the chances of them going from pretty clearly the best team in the conference all year long to the five seed because Seattle catches them becomes very real. And so it's important for the Rams in that regard. It's important for Detroit because Detroit has, is. Has extra rest, is coming off maybe their best game and best win of the season. And they are fighting for their playoff lives. And so I expect the Rams to win this game. And if the Rams do win this game, then all of a sudden we're right back to where we've been with Detroit, which has gone win, loss, win, loss to Monze dating back to week five. They beat the Bengals, lost to the Chiefs, beat the Bucks, lost to the Vikings, beat the Commanders, lost to the Eagles, beat the Giants, lost to the packers, beat the Cowboys. And now they play the Rams. And that's no way to make the postseason. And so. And I like the Rams in this spot. Do I like them enough to lay the six points that we'll find out on the gambling show tomorrow, which Damanz and I are about to record right now. So thank you to everybody. Reminder, I didn't ask you guys to do this off the top. I was too busy basking in my did I just lose connection or am I back? Are you guys with me? Maybe the pod. They knew we were taking a break. They were like, where our Internet's gonna freeze up like rate subscribe Review everybody if you would please. It greatly helps us. I didn't ask you that off the top. I will ask you that right now. Our Red Hot I mean just winners after winners gambling show comes to you this time tomorrow. We will see you guys then. Thank you to Blue Duck and the Volume. Thank you of course to boost Hard Rock and our friends at Zen. Talk to you guys tomorrow for the week 15. Oh my goodness. Week 15 gambling show.

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