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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Fri Dec 12 2025

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd — What's Wright with Nick Wright

Episode: "QB Interventions: Joe Burrow TRADE? Hurts & Lamar STRUGGLING, Lakers KNOCKED OUT"

Date: December 12, 2025
Guests: Nick Wright (host), Damon Amendolara

Episode Overview

This episode of "What's Wright" with Nick Wright, a segment of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," dives into the latest drama and dilemmas surrounding NFL quarterbacks (especially Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, and Lamar Jackson), examines NFC and AFC playoff scenarios, and closes with debate on the state of the Lakers amid NBA Cup action. Nick applies his trademark candor, skepticism, and big-picture storytelling to explore not just player performance but team trajectories, trade hypotheticals, and organizational crossroads.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chiefs vs. Chargers: Season-Defining Matchup

Timestamps: 05:39–16:51

The Stakes:
The Chiefs are “almost facing elimination,” with the Chargers game described as a must-win for both teams if either wants to control its playoff fate.
Chiefs Perspective:
Nick confesses he’s still emotionally open to believing in the Chiefs’ playoff push if they win, despite their month-long slump:

"Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style." (06:15, Nick Wright)
Chargers Urgency:
Nick argues this is the most open the AFC may ever be, and with Justin Herbert in his prime, the Chargers have to seize the opportunity—meaning, they "must" knock out a weakened KC.
Playoff Calculus:
He runs through the tiebreakers, schedules, and potential Week 18 showdowns, emphasizing if the Chargers lose, they risk missing the postseason entirely yet again.

"If they lose to the Chiefs, and then lose just one of Cowboys, Texans, then Week 18 in Denver could be win and you go to the playoffs, lose and the Chiefs take your playoff spot again." (12:23, Nick Wright)
Chargers Organizational DNA:
Nick is skeptical of L.A.’s ability to win high-pressure games, citing Herbert's struggles in big moments:

"In the three biggest...games that he's played in, [Herbert] has not played anything close to his best ball." (14:23, Nick Wright)
Nick lists Herbert’s lackluster stats in recent elimination or playoff games (15:00).

2. NFL Quarterback Interventions: Mayfield, Hurts, Lamar

Timestamps: 24:09–34:02

Baker Mayfield:
Nick is “least concerned” about Baker’s current struggles, chalking it up to his streaky history and shoulder injury:

"He's had these little peaks and valleys in his career ... I think Baker will bounce back at least enough to where they stabilize." (24:33, Nick Wright)
Jalen Hurts:
Hurts isn’t in trouble, but Nick insists fans and media must accept his “obvious limitations,” especially visible when the Eagles can't dominate at the line of scrimmage. “If Jalen is not willing to activate the quarterback-driven runs and scrambles, that Eagles offense is going to be very, very laborious.” (26:00, Nick Wright) Nick questions the Eagles' hold on the division if Dallas gets hot, warning that Week 18 could be a win-and-in scenario.
Lamar Jackson & Baltimore:
Lamar’s in his “worst stretch of football” ever, and Nick speculates about emotional exhaustion or a broken relationship with John Harbaugh:

"This trend of Lamar missing one of the practices in the week leading up to a game ... sure appears to impact his play. ... It just feels to me like it's more than that... at play here." (29:41—32:08, Nick Wright)
He floats a bleak theory: Lamar is “resigned” and ready for the next chapter, hinting at a possibly fractured dynamic between QB and coach.
The only “glass one-tenth full” scenario Nick offers for Ravens fans: sneak into the playoffs as a regular-season underachiever, then reverse their historic trend of playoff flameouts (32:50).

3. Joe Burrow’s Future: Frustration and Trade Speculation

Timestamps: 34:02–44:01

Burrow’s Alarming Presser:
Burrow hints at disillusionment:

"If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it ... if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for?" (34:10, Joe Burrow)
Nick’s take: “If I’m a Bengals fan, that’s a five alarm fire.” (34:29, Nick Wright)
Andrew Luck & Carson Palmer Vibes:
Nick compares Burrow’s state to Luck’s abrupt retirement and Carson Palmer’s breakup with the Bengals, recounting Palmer’s ultimatum after years of frustration (41:00+).
Trade Hypotheticals:
Nick proposes a package for a Burrow trade ("three first and three second rounders") but insists:

“Being in a position where you have to trade prime Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is no getting around it." (38:15, Nick Wright)
Organizational Dysfunction:
The segment underscores the Bengals’ tragic NFL history and players' struggles to tolerate it:

"[With] all of the physical real weird injuries he's dealt with...and contract disputes every year—it’s a tragic organization." (38:13, Damon Amendolara / Nick Wright)

4. NBA Cup & Lakers Reality Check

Timestamps: 48:46–56:46

Lakers Knocked Out:
The Lakers, missing a matchup against the Thunder, lose to a “Wemby-less Spurs.” Nick responds to Rich Paul’s controversial comment:

"Does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team? … I don't think the message is totally incorrect." (49:09–51:30, Nick Wright)
Thunder’s Ascension:
Oklahoma City’s Cup blowout wins and regular-season dominance make them the clear favorites:

"The Thunder in their current form, right now look head and shoulders better than absolutely everyone, and it's not close." (54:09, Nick Wright)
Nick boosts his own earlier call to bet on the Thunder to break the Warriors’ win record.
Lakers’ Path:
Still, Nick says with the “right draw” and health, the Lakers could be a conference finals team—but only if they avoid the Thunder.
NBA Landscape:
Nick muses on the Thunder’s depth and the lack of “super villain” playoff closers on teams like Houston that might challenge OKC.

5. Additional Quick Hits

Timestamps: 56:46–63:18

Bills vs. Patriots (AFC East Pivot):
Nick thinks the Bills should be favored and must assert AFC East supremacy before New England “elbow[s] them off their corner.” If the Pats sweep the Bills and have a deeper playoff run, Buffalo could become a non-factor.
Drake Maye vs. Josh Allen Future Rivalry:
Nick cheekily dubs it “Drake & Josh” and proclaims this could be one of the NFL’s best divisional rivalries for years:

"Drake May [quarterback] could be a perennial MVP candidate and not necessarily better than Josh Allen, but ... I think Drake May is already a top five quarterback." (59:26, Nick Wright)
Rams vs. Lions, NFC Importance:
Nick predicts the Rams will win and solidify their top seed, but a Lions victory would tighten up Detroit’s playoff hopes. A loss would continue Detroit's win-loss rollercoaster, making postseason advancement shaky.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Chiefs & Emotional Fandom:

"Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style like that." (06:15, Nick Wright)
On Joe Burrow’s Future:

"If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it... if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for?" (34:10, Joe Burrow)
“If I’m a Bengals fan, that’s a five alarm fire.” (34:29, Nick Wright)
On Lamar Jackson & the Ravens:

"Lamar is in the midst of the worst stretch of football he's ever played.... I think Lamar is over Harbaugh, and I think Lamar is ready for the next chapter in Baltimore." (29:41–30:36, Nick Wright)
On the Lakers & Rich Paul’s Critique:

"Does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team?" (51:21, Nick Wright)
On the Oklahoma City Thunder:

"Oklahoma City looks like one of the greatest teams ever. There is no way around that." (54:09, Nick Wright)
On AFC East QB’s Future:

"I think Drake and Josh is going to be an awesome divisional quarterback rivalry." (59:26, Nick Wright)

Segment Timestamps

Chiefs vs. Chargers Playoff Stakes: 05:39–16:51
Quarterback Intervention: Mayfield, Hurts, Lamar: 24:09–34:02
Joe Burrow Dilemma/Trade Hypothetical: 34:02–44:01
Lakers Out, NBA Cup & Thunder Talk: 48:46–56:46
AFC East, Bills vs. Patriots, Drake Maye/Josh Allen: 56:46–60:36
Lions vs. Rams, NFC Lines: 60:36–63:18

Tone & Style

Nick Wright brings a blend of deeply informed stat breakdown, sports history analogies, and irreverent wit. He oscillates between fan-level agony (regarding his Chiefs), ruthless analyst (calling out Hurts' and Lamar’s “limitations”), and big-picture historian (invoking Luck, Palmer, NBA superteams, and the business side of sports). Damon serves as both a sounding board and straight man, teeing up Nick’s digressions and keep-the-plot-on-track interjections.

Summary Takeaway

This episode is a must for fans invested in NFL QB storylines and NBA power dynamics. Nick’s blend of analysis and storytelling makes high-stakes sports drama accessible and engaging—even if you haven’t watched a game all week.

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Transcript

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Chris Simms (5:58)

Okay, sure. So listen, all +500 doesn't seem like as long of a shot as it feels like plus 500. It feels like the way. And what I said about what I would believe in is. I understand it is irrational, so to speak, but what, what is definitively true is if I know myself and if the Chiefs win this weekend within the Titans on deck with the possibility of a Chargers collapse, I will be. Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style like that. That is true. Um, it's also noteworthy to me that this line is up to I think five and a half. The Chiefs that haven't played a good 60 minute 4 quarter football game in a month and a half are a five and a half point favorite over the nine and four Los Angeles Chargers. And so I will get more to the chief side in a second. But I do want to explain what I was saying yesterday about this being a must win for the Chargers. And I suppose that is a matter of perspective. But the per. If your perspective is that the Chargers in an AFC that will likely never again be this wide open in a playoff field where Herbert walks into it likely as essentially the second most experienced quarterback to Josh Allen in the afc. Well, Aaron Rodgers would be the most experienced. But I almost feel like at this point like that circle has come all the way around where his experience works against him because he's so damn old. And so let me put it like this, this is maybe the better way to put it in this playoff field. Herbert will be one of only three quarterbacks that are in the prime of their careers with it being Josh, him and the Prince. Most people believe he's better than the Prince. He's obviously older, more experienced than the young guys. So in that regard that really works in their favor. They are coming on. They are while still dealing with injuries, getting healthier. They just got their running back back, their first, their Omari and Hampton, their first round pick. When John Jim Harbaugh got there, he talked about winning multiple Super Bowls, right? He talked about this being a championship operation. And so if you are looking at the Chargers from through the prism of can they for the first time since Philip Rivers was there, go on a real playoff run? Can they for the first time since the mid-1994 potentially make a Super bowl then in order for you to believe they have that gear they absolutely must go into arrowhead and end the chief season. This Chiefs team is playing its worst football is wildly banged up and in fact I do want I meant to check this before I want to see if they've updated it real quick. Yes they have. So the Chiefs injury report Trey Smith back but Juwan Taylor still has not practiced so much like the Chargers. The Chiefs are going to be going potentially going into this game without either of their starting tackles or their top backup tackle in Wanya Morris. So the and the Chargers have the opportunity to into the Chiefs officially put them out and if they don't then I will feel like I know one thing and start to be concerned on the Charger's behalf of another thing. The thing I will feel like I know is is this team doesn't have win three straight playoff games get to the super bowl gear it because I don't think they there are parts of that Eagles game that they should feel great about and then there are parts of that Eagles game where they should feel very very fortunate that Jalen Hurts gave it away at the very end. So I I will feel like I know they don't have a Super bowl gear and the thing that I would be concerned about demands a if they lose this game is that they might be playing in Week 18 with the playoffs on the line. So that is the wrinkle here. The wrinkle here is and there's a lot of ifs here this is why it's plus 500. But if we assume the Colts are not going to go well I guess for the Chargers case this doesn't really the Colts don't really matter but I'm going to include them anyway aren't going to go three and one or better down the stretch. Then that final AFC playoff spot likely comes down to Chiefs Chargers. Again if the Chiefs win this weekend and if they do and then we assume Kansas City is going to be Tennessee the following week then it can start to get a little tight for the Chargers because after the Chiefs game they have three straight brutal opponents. They are at the Cowboys home for the Texans. And then this is the game that I'm focused on at Denver in a game that might for the Broncos be win this game and you are the 1 seed Denver and the Chargers will be in a position of if they lose to the Chiefs that if again I said there were going to be a lot of ifs they don't win both of them Cowboys Texans if they lose just one of those games then week 18 in Denver could be winning. You go to the playoffs, lose, and the Chiefs take your playoff spot again. That is assuming the Chiefs beat the Titans and Raiders and they win a home game against Denver in week 17. That'll be very difficult. So that's the. For a team that I think has, as far as its organizational DNA, has a lot of hitting tight in big spots.

Chris Simms (16:58)

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It means there are. It means you are not a whole complete yeah, well you're not excellent at everything. Let me put it as kindly as I can. And I think what we're seeing and what we saw in 4K Monday night was Jalen hurts limitations as a hit every quadrant of the field drop back passer are glaring and when he is in the situation he's in now where it's like oh, the offensive line went from maybe the best in the league to mediocre. The running game went from the best in the league to mediocre and we are going to need the quarterback to go out there and make plays if Jalen is not willing to activate the quarterback driven runs and scrambles more than that Eagles offense and is going to be very, very laborious. Everything is going to be hard and so that is to me just the a reality that is not going to change it. He, he's not going to get any taller. He's not going to all of a sudden become a pinpoint intermediate over the middle of the field passer and you've got to find ways to scheme and coach and work around that. But I am really concerned about Philadelphia and I am not writing in pen that they are winning that division because again there are some ifs here. I understand. But if you believe that the Cowboys are going to beat the Vikings this weekend, I do beat the Chargers in Dallas next weekend, they certainly could. And then win at the Commanders and then if you believe that the Eagles let's just give them the next two wins that they're going to win against the Raiders and win against the Commanders but then believe they are going to lose to the Buffalo Bills. So if the Cowboys go 30 and the Eagles go 2 and 1 with a loss in Buffalo then the Eagles will enter week 18 facing the situation of if Dallas beats the Giants and those games would be played simultaneously, the Eagles win the division by beating the Commanders and their season is over by losing that game. And this Eagles team that has been hanging by a thread emotionally throughout the year, I would be very nervous about that that becoming reality. And so it doesn't take some massive swoon for them to be facing a winning you're in losing, you're out week 18 game. It's a somewhat to me likely scenario so I'd be worried about that. With all that, said Damanze, I am most worried about what's going on in Baltimore.

Chris Simms (38:15)

Well, yes. And it is, it is why some people said you know, do an Elway or an Eli and don't go there. And so you know people asking what would a Joe Burrow trade look like? I mean to as I did on TV yesterday and you know I'll do on radio again or on podcast today. To quote Mike Meltzer, being in a position where you have to trade prime Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is no getting around it. But what would a Joe Burrow trade look like? Three first and three second rounders. Your first and because you can, you're only allowed to trade three picks in the league. The Daniel says Miles Garrett and the Browns picks, they would never listen. I don't think they would trade Joe Burrow but if they were to, they certainly wouldn't do it in the division which is a bit of a shame because the Browns have all the picks like the another team that has, you know, the team that could trade you for first round picks other than the Browns is the Rams because they have two picks in this upcoming draft. But. And that would be a really interesting one if the Rams did bleep them picks again. But that would only make sense if Stafford were retiring after this year. You know what I mean? Like they wouldn't they. You couldn't roster Stafford and Burrow to be like, hey, Burrow's going to sit a year and then take over. So the timing of that wouldn't work. But this is if I'm a Bengals fan, I am terrified of that press conference. Terrified of it. And we've seen guys walk away. We haven't the only. You're way too young to remember this Demonte but the only and he wasn't quite quite a star at this point in his career, but he, he so hold I'm just going to, I'm going to tell this story in a different way. Once upon a time in Wow. I didn't even think about this. Great job Nick, for putting this together in real time. Once upon a time there was a number one overall pick quarterback who after seven eight years in the league with some wasn't us. He was not Joe Burrows level, don't get me wrong. But one year he led the league in touchdown passes, finished top five in MVP voting. It was actually his second year, probably his high water mark. Went to the playoffs a couple times, had disappointing postseason defeats and one of the postseasons suffered a catastrophic injury on right when the first playoff game started. Essentially that player right after he turned 30 woke up one morning and said I'm either retiring or you're trading me, but I am not taking another snap for this franchise. And that number one pick quarterback name was Carson Palmer. And Demon, I'll give you one guess. What franchise do you think he played for?

Chris Simms (49:09)

First of all, I haven't listened to the pod yet, but I'm being told Rich was just firing off takes, including advocating for, I think Lamar to be traded, advocating for Mahomes to be traded to the Cowboys and then throwing in that yeah, the Lakers don't have enough and here's the thing about what Rich said and last night's game. Cause they're kind of tied together. First of all, it needs to be noted people are talking about what Rich said as If Rich has one client. LeBron James. It's like wow, LeBron's agent says the Lakers don't have enough. Rich has 50 clients all over the league. LeBron is obviously the most prominent, obviously the most noteworthy. And LeBron and Rich founded that agency together. But it is one could argue that you know Rich, Anthony Davis, not one could argue he is Anthony Davis is a client. Tyrese Maxey's a client like Rich ads clients all over the place, right. And if he's going to do this pod, he's always going to be given takes about teams that, you know his clients are on. It's why this is going to be so fascinating to see. And I really like Max Kellerman a lot. And so I think it'll, you know, good for them on that venture and good for them for making waves with the first episode. Furthermore, I understand people might not like hearing it or might not like who the messenger was, but does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team? Now maybe that's more about that. No one is because the Oklahoma City Thunder exists who by the way won their NBA cup game last night by 50. And the the biggest to me the most disappointing part of the Lakers losing that game was was I would have liked to see how the Lakers stack up against a fully healthy Thunder team in a as meaningful of a regular season game as you're going to get the NBA cup semifinals. But instead they lost to a Wimby list spurs. Which speaks additionally to I think Rich's overall point, which again I disagree that the Lakers are not Western Conference finals caliber. Like I do think if they got the right draw and if they're healthy, they could make the conference finals. If they're on the opposite side of the bracket of the Thunder, which means they're the two or the three seed. But when you see the spurs are now have the same record as the Lakers at 17 and 7 and Wimby hasn't played in nearly a month, you do start to be get concerned about, well how, how even if you set Oklahoma City aside, where do the Lakers stack up in the West? Like Denver is outstanding. Houston unbelievably has the best offense in the league and the spurs are have won seven of 10 and their young guards are playing out of their mind and Wimby at some point is coming back so people can dislike what Rich said. But I because of who the messenger is. But I don't think the message is totally incorrect. Now evidently Wimby could return this weekend, which maybe gives us a chat. Wimby game in the NBA cup semifinals, which would be sick. But I would imagine when Wimby comes back, he's going to be on a minute's restriction and we're going to be very cautious with him. Let's talk a little more NBA cup to Monze real quick.

Chris Simms (60:49)

Well, listen, this game is wildly important for both teams and it's wildly important for both teams in this regard. Like, the Rams have just been rolling and killing people. I know they lost two weeks ago, but that feels like a bit of a blip. But because of that loss two weeks ago, if they were to lose this game, the, the chances of them going from pretty clearly the best team in the conference all year long to the five seed because Seattle catches them becomes very real. And so it's important for the Rams in that regard. It's important for Detroit because Detroit has, is. Has extra rest, is coming off maybe their best game and best win of the season. And they are fighting for their playoff lives. And so I expect the Rams to win this game. And if the Rams do win this game, then all of a sudden we're right back to where we've been with Detroit, which has gone win, loss, win, loss to Monze dating back to week five. They beat the Bengals, lost to the Chiefs, beat the Bucks, lost to the Vikings, beat the Commanders, lost to the Eagles, beat the Giants, lost to the packers, beat the Cowboys. And now they play the Rams. And that's no way to make the postseason. And so. And I like the Rams in this spot. Do I like them enough to lay the six points that we'll find out on the gambling show tomorrow, which Damanz and I are about to record right now. So thank you to everybody. Reminder, I didn't ask you guys to do this off the top. I was too busy basking in my did I just lose connection or am I back? Are you guys with me? Maybe the pod. They knew we were taking a break. They were like, where our Internet's gonna freeze up like rate subscribe Review everybody if you would please. It greatly helps us. I didn't ask you that off the top. I will ask you that right now. Our Red Hot I mean just winners after winners gambling show comes to you this time tomorrow. We will see you guys then. Thank you to Blue Duck and the Volume. Thank you of course to boost Hard Rock and our friends at Zen. Talk to you guys tomorrow for the week 15. Oh my goodness. Week 15 gambling show.