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Nick Wright
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On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.
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Nick Wright
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Nick Wright
Welcome in what Drive with Nick, right. Episode 426, our Super Bowl 60 recap show. This episode of what's right with the Grind is presented to you by Boost Mobile. A few programming notes for the show and this is a really good reason to subscribe on all platforms. YouTube, iTunes and Spotify. Again, you have to Itunes and Spotify wherever you listen to your podcast or if you listen on a third party app, whatever you do because of travel for the TV show, we're going to the Daytona 500 tomorrow. And if anybody knows anything about me, it's, you know, nobody knows more about NASCAR than your guy. Nick Wright will be live at the Daytona 500 because of that, Thursday's episode might be a audio only episode. Additional travel the following week where next week I am going to Los Angeles to do my first in person appearance with Colin Cowherd in years to see Damanze and my granddaughter Mila. Good to see you, Damanze. Do a little NBA all star festivities and then going to Las Vegas to play in a big poker game that you guys can watch. That's another thing. Gosh, I'm really doing a bad job discussing these things with you. By you, I mean the producers. I should ask the poker go people if we can live stream that, you know, along with them. I'm not even sure if we. But you'll be able to watch that in some capacity on Wednesday. So Thursday I will still be in Vegas and I will be coming off either one of my biggest, you know, potentially one of my biggest gambling wins or the flip side of that coin losses of my life. So I don't know if Thursday morning I'm going to want to get up bright and early from Las Vegas and do the podcast. Which is why we, I think Thursday next week are going to do a steal straight from Bill Simmons style mailbag podcast. So you send in your questions now and throughout the next few episodes and we will. And especially today because we're live on YouTube right now and they can be anything. They can be NBA, NFL career, life, parenting, anything. And Damanze and I will do that together in Los Angeles on Tuesday. So that episode will be for you guys next Thursday. So, you know, post football schedules change a bit. We're still going to have at least two episodes every week. We're not on vacation and we will have three episodes most weeks. But there's the scheduling update. So again, the way to just make sure you get everything you want. Subscribe to the podcast on all platforms. Daman say, how are you doing?
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Damanze
Very well. Excited to talk about the Super Bowl. Yeah, it was a good weekend.
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Nick Wright
Did you. Before we even really get into the game. This is a bit of a litmus test. Okay. Did you enjoy watching that game?
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Damanze
Oh, yeah. I mean, hey, you want to call me a casual, that's fine. I like to see some plays on offense. I was a little underwhelmed with the game. I was a little underwhelmed. But I, I mean, I understand. I understand the great. There's great defense being played.
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Nick Wright
No, I'm so. I'm not. I'm not calling you a casual because I. So here is what your mom got mad at me yesterday because I didn't even realize it. But evidently during the game when your mom and sister and my mom were commenting that it wasn't a very exciting game, evidently I kept saying, it's professional football. This is great. I didn't even know I was saying that. I just evidently I said it repeatedly and I was like, this is a great game. And then yesterday I just said offhandedly that it was kind of boring. And your mom's like, what are you. You said all throughout the game how great of a game it was. And so here's the thing. I can appreciate a low scoring game. I think low scoring games can be great, but it needs to feel more in the balance. Like a low, a six to three game where any one play to me could be captivating.
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Damanze
Right.
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Nick Wright
This didn't quite feel like that. It felt like it was one team dominating the other and there wasn't a lot of intrigue in the outcome.
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Damanze
Both the defenses were pretty solid, but yeah, I mean, the New England offense, it was just like they were still playing in the snow. It was pretty. It was pretty bad, Right?
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Nick Wright
So we will get to all of that first straight voicemail brought to you by Boost Mobile. Sam Darnold and Kenneth Walker III celebrate at Disney one of the most charming American traditions. Making our hungover gladiators after the greatest day of their life hang out, you know, at seven in the morning with Mickey Mouse. It'll never make total sense, but it's awesome. So Demanze nailed the Gatorade bath color. That's a nice little plus.
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Damanze
Almost nailed Cooper cup most receiving yards, but I think Matt Collins screwed there at the end.
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Nick Wright
Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. And then, so my favorite super bowl commercials. So I have a confession here. I would have or +275, great job de mon on the color of the Gatorade. And I don't want to spend too much time on this, so I'm just going to say it quickly. If you'd have asked me right after the super bowl what my favorite commercial was, I. I would have snap said it's like, man, that ring camera.
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Damanze
Oh, geez.
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Nick Wright
About finding lost dogs.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
I was like, that's awesome. Yeah. And then I get on social media and everyone's like, you living. This is the. So this is the surveillance state. This is how they take over our lives. And I was like, oh, damn. I was just thinking about lost dogs. I was like, I thought it was a pretty compelling case. Like you just put things up on the telephone pole. Now we can find the dog. And then they're like, don't you know anything about. About how they're going to use this to enslave us? And I'm like, sweet Christ, I wasn't thinking that much. So I don't know. So I have to put. So I. I don't know what my favorite super bowl commercial was. I need to do more investigation. All right. I will, at some point on today's show, discuss. Oh, man. The hot, almost too hot to touch topic of the halftime show. Oh, boy. Do people have takes and do people make fools of themselves with their takes so consistently up to and including. I think we've seen our first real retreat in the culture wars. 1 Jake Paul. Jake Paul. Well, Jake Paul, who lives in Puerto Rico to avoid taxes. Jake Paul had like, a little tweet storm about how much he hated the halftime show and how offended he was by it.
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Damanze
Offended.
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Nick Wright
And then. And then the next day tweets out, yo, what happened on my Twitter yesterday? I love Puerto Rico. I love Bad Bunny. But, like, it was, like, not believable at all. He was pretending he didn't have those opinions, even though his brother, who's also not known to be a Mensa member, tweet is like, I gotta say, I disagree with my brother Jake on this. So I. So I don't know. Some really bad takes. No, some really bad takes by some really bad actors. And I mean that bad actors literally and figuratively, I guess, in the case of the Paul brothers. But we will get that. We will get to that later. But first, Damanz, let's get to Super Bowl 60 champions.
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Damanze
Yeah. For the second time in franchise history, the Seahawks are Super bowl champions. That defense was prolific. Darnold managed the game. He didn't turn it over. What were you most impressed by in the game?
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Nick Wright
Well, so it. Obviously, it has to be the defense, and we will. I. But I think Darnold does deserve credit, which we'll get to. And I'm going to get right to the Super Bowl MVP piece of it, because that, to me, is about the defense. I think the voters should have colluded. And by that, I mean I think the voters should have, you know, gotten on a group text or something and said, hey, do we think Seattle's defense is the MVP of this game? If so, let's all get together and pick a guy to represent that. Because the. The. The reason it's so hard for a defensive player to win mvp, barring a Von Miller type of performance, where it's just one Guy wrecking the game is those votes can be split so much and I gotta think that Devin Witherspoon and Derek hall and Byron Murphy all were in contention. And because of that, Kenneth Walker, who again, he did have the most rushing yards in a Super bowl since terrell Davis nearly 30 years ago. He had an awesome game and he would have probably won MVP going away if there hadn't been a hold on the 40 yard touchdown run at the end. That the. It doesn't feel indicative of this game for an offensive player to have won mvp. And so my vote would have been for Devin Witherspoon because I thought the way they deployed Devin Witherspoon, Demons A who in the entire Regular season had 21. I'm regular season and playoffs prior to the Super bowl had 21 pass rush snaps and in the Super bowl had seven. So he was a guy who rushed the passer a little more than once a game in the regular season and then they kept spamming it in the super bowl and the Patriots couldn't re. Couldn't respond. He got a sack, he got a hurry, he hit the quarterback three times and he forced the fumble. That actually wasn't a fumble because it ended up being ruled an interception that was returned for a touchdown. So Seattle's defense, which Mike and and we, we talked about this a lot in the week leading up to it. Young quarterbacks get eaten up by Mike McDonald's defense. They're now 1 in 10 scoring less than 16 points a game. Quarterbacks of any age, the first time they play a Mike McDonald defense, dating back to his time in Baltimore and Seattle are like 10 and 33 scoring less than 16 points a game. He crushes people. And so I. The story was Seattle's defense making the Patriots look poorly coached. And they're not poorly coached, but they looked poorly coached in that game. It looked like you wanted to say something there to go ahead.
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Damanze
Can you not. I know you, you usually give it to one player. Can you just give the MVP to the defenses, like as a whole?
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Nick Wright
So I would have loved that. Right? You can't. But yeah, I mean that, that was.
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Damanze
It was so clearly like it was them.
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Nick Wright
It was every level of them. It was every, every guy on the Seahawks defense except for the guy who punched Stefan Diggs in the face and got away with it. Probably deserved a share of that defensive mvp. And so it's. Listen, I'm not going to freak out about Kenneth Walker winning it. He had a great game. And it typically goes to an offensive player. But the story was that Seahawks defense that if you're not named Matt Stafford or oddly Baker Mayfield, that Seahawks defense put you in hell all year long. All year long. Long like that. Is it the other thing this super bowl was a validation of was the mvp, even though it was incredibly close. But if so, the Seahawks defense allowed 38 in a loss to Baker in a game that I think Daniel got me, made me some money by telling me to do the Baker Mayfield live comeback bet. And they ended up winning the game. And they allowed 37 to the Rams in the regular season and 27 in the playoffs. But the other games Seattle played this year, they allowed 17 to Purdy, 17 to Rogers, 13 to, I think it was Spencer Rattler at the time, 20 to Kyler Murray. And again I'm just looking at points allowed. So there might have been defensive touchdowns scored by this team. So maybe the Seattle even is actually allowed less. 12 to Trevor, 19 to C.J. stroud, 14 to Jaden Daniels in a game that Jaden got hurt in. So I the 22 to whoever's playing quarterback for the Cardinals at that point. 21 to Stafford the first time, 24 in the to Cam Ward, 0 to Brosmer, 9 to Kirk Cousins, 16 to Philip Rivers, 10 to Bryce Young, 3 to Brock Purdy the second time, 6 to Brock Purdy the third time. And 13 to Drake May and the Patriots. And really seven. Like they allowed seven with the. When the game was actually in the balance. It was a dominant, dominant start to finish performance. And, and by start to finish, I mean of the season. And so they, they are now the fifth team ever to, if you care about dvoa, to finish the year, number one ranked DVO A defense and number one ranked DVOA overall. Four of those five teams won the super bowl and the one that didn't was Mike McDonald's Ravens team that ran into Mahomes in the AFC title game. They were a great team.
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Damanze
And.
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Nick Wright
Those of us that said the NFC Championship game was the super bowl were correct. The two best teams in the NFL this year were the Seahawks and the Rams. And they played three times. They were all very memorable for different reasons. And the right team won the championship this year. And so I have, I have no complaints. I have no qualms with. I said that this had the potential to be a weird year and it kind of was a weird year. But I also want to make this clear and I know nobody's thinking about like the Chiefs being in the super bowl at this point for this season. But at like Week 6, the Chiefs were the super bowl favorites. Okay. Had the Chiefs rallied the way I thought they were going to and the way some of the bookmakers thought they were going to, and had Mahomes not gotten hurt and had they ended up in these AFC playoffs where I think they could have made the Super Bowl? This Seattle team is the exact type of team that has beaten the Chiefs up in Super Bowls.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
I mean, the. The front that was the Eagles getting correct. It was. And by the way, and this is, you know, it is really good, and I'm really happy for that. The Rams demand, say, got the super bowl they got five years ago.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Because if you're a Rams fan last postseason, you play the Eagles to this much, you're down six ball at the 15 with a minute left to win the game. You lose, and then the Eagles curb stomp their next two opponents.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
To win the super bowl this year, you have the ball at the 14, down four more than a minute left, the game wouldn't have been over. But a chance to take the lead against Seattle, you don't convert. And then Seattle curb stomps New England in the Super Bowl. Like the Rams, the last two champions have played nail biters with the Rams in the playoffs and then beaten their next three opponents by like a combined 70 and not quite 70. Yeah. And so it goes to show how hard it is to win the Super Bowl. And. And it also, also it goes to show how important it is when you get to a Super bowl to finish the deal, because imagine how the Rams would out. Really. And I know it's a bunch of different players, But Stafford and McVeigh are feeling if their last two seasons ended this way. And when they were in the Super Bowl, Joe Burrow had beating them on that last drive. So Seattle's the rightful champs. Seattle's been the best team. And Seattle deserves a lot of credit to Monse for John Schneider twice winning Super Bowls with quarterbacks who at the beginning of the year, they won the super bowl were just considered. God.
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Damanze
Questionable. Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Russell Wilson turned into a great player. Who Russell Wilson, his second year in the league was just a guy. Sam Darnold was just a guy. And. And we're going to talk more about Darnold in a bit. But, you know, credit to John Schneider for. And gutsy moves, man. Moved on from Pete Carroll, which I criticized. Y moved on from Gino Smith for Sam Darnold, which I heavily criticized. The. The Russell Wilson trade, I applauded. But they so many Devin Witherspoon, Charles Cross. So many of the key guys from that super bowl were picks they got from Denver in the Russell Wilson trade. So let's talk a little more about the Seahawks. I know you have follow ups here.
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Damanze
Yeah. Do you think this is just the beginning for the Seahawks, their favorite. Well to repeat next year.
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Nick Wright
Yeah. But nobody's like a big favorite. You know the there's everybody's tightly.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Gested Very, very, very, very, very hard to repeat. Now Seattle almost did it a couple years, you know, not couple years ago, 10 years ago with a similar blueprint and Darnold won't be super expensive next year and the defense is young but we don't have and maybe listen, who knows what Darnold's going to turn into. We don't have instances certainly in the modern NFL of anyone repeating without a super duper star quarterback. And it's in the modern NFL it's Bradshaw. I mean in all of NFL I think I can do this. It's Bart Starr. Bob Greasy was not a super duper star Bradshaw twice. Montana, Aikman, Elway, Brady Mahomes. That's your list. So after, you know, after Greasy the worst quarterback of that group is Troy Aikman. So I, I think repeat very, very tough. But I do think they are positioned really well and. Well, this gets to your next question about the rest of the league. Yeah.
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Damanze
What did Seattle prove to the rest of the league by winning this game?
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Nick Wright
Well, so here's what, here's the question I would have for you. What do you think's easier? Finding the next Patrick Mahomes echelon guy or building a super defense? Because, and I don't, I mean it.
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Damanze
Might be, I think it might be easier to find.
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Nick Wright
I don't know.
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Damanze
I was going to say, I don't know. It's like one guy, the defense, that's a bunch of guys.
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Nick Wright
So the, so here is, here is the lesson I would take from if I'm the rest of the league from Seattle winning, don't hamstring yourself from being able to build out this great roster which by the way starts with just drafting well which everyone has the opportunity to do by lying to yourself that your quarterback can be the next Mahomes. So if, listen, if your guy, you obviously are always in the draft looking for that guy. But if after a couple years, you know, deep in your heart he, you know he can be good but he's never going to be that guy. It doesn't mean you can't win a super bowl with him. But it does mean you won't win a Super bowl with him. If without that in order to. Well, no, if in order to pretend he's that guy, you pay him like he's that guy.
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Damanze
You oh fair.
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Nick Wright
You know, you don't have right Benjamin team to his will as if he were that guy. But it is really interesting that you know, this decade the way to win a Super bowl has been have Patrick Mahomes or have this stacked NFC roster. Seattle, Philly, you know what Patrick Mahomes or Brady. Because I don't think Tampa was like a stacked roster. They were a good team that had Brady. But remember even when the Rams when they won it, they had traded for Jalen Ramsey, they had traded for Stafford, they had gone all in in that moment. And. And so I think the other thing that I do think this season was a reminder of and this is for both teams in the super bowl, man, you have the right coach and things can get very real very quickly.
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Damanze
You think we should have been talking about McDonald this whole time instead of rail? I feel like we talked a lot about Rabel and his coaching ability.
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Nick Wright
McDonald, I listen. And the Ravens defense hasn't been the same since he left.
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Damanze
Right.
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Nick Wright
I do think as silly as this sounds, there is a real coastal bias as far as I think guys on the west coast don't get as much attention from east coast based media as guys on the east coast. So like I think of Mike McDonald was the coach doesn't have to be a super marquee team. Was doing this with the Washington commanders. He would have had better PR so to speak than he got like Seattle is, you know, very often kind of buried in that 405 window on Sundays. They weren't the super marquee team. But McDonald was brilliant. He was brilliant.
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Damanze
He's also like super stoked. He doesn't really show too much character. Even like the super angry coaches, I feel like they're angry. But him, he's just stone faced like the whole time.
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Nick Wright
He doesn't have a huge personality.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
I mean I'm not saying he's bad personality but.
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Damanze
No, but yes. As far as like PR and stuff. I feel like people fall in love with like Dan Campbell and stuff like that. Like that like with the outwardly projecting yourself and. But yeah, he's a little bit more.
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Nick Wright
And for Vrabel it also helps. He was a very memorable player. I know not for you, you're too young. But the guys my age remember variable winning Super Bowls with New England and variable's also, you know, more engaging. But at some point, the variable PR and I talked to this on the TV show and I think Varel's a great coach, but the articles, the days before the super bowl when they were like, guess what, guys? He simulated a long halftime at practice. That's how locked in he is. It's like, no shit, man. Like that. We're not reinventing the wheel here. All right, Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock BET Florida Sportsbook. I know it's tough. No football, but like the song says, I bet I will survive. How about that? With Hard Rock Bet, there's always something to bet on every night. Hoops, hockey, so much more. Plus all the great same game parlays, live betting and player prop options you're used to. And did you know Hard Rock Bet is the official sports betting partner of the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic? So they know hoops. If you haven't signed up with Hard Rock Bet yet, there's never been a better time. New signups can double their winnings on their first 10 bets, max of 50 bucks. That's right. If you would have won 100 bucks on your bet, make that 200. Hard Rock bet Sportsbook app is the only legal sportsbook for whenever you're in Florida, and it's also live in Arizona, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois, Colorado and Michigan. Coming soon to more states as well. Plus, Hard Rock Bet offers new promos daily. So whenever you're listening, just open the app and check out what they've got. Any day of the week, download the Hard Rock Bet apple and make your first deposit payable and bonus bets. Not a cash offer offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida, offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. Must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia. To play, terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1-833-play wise in Indiana. If you or know has a gambling problem, wants help, call 1-800-9 with it gambling problem, call 1-800- GAMBLER Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. This month, IHeartRadio is celebrating the stars of the 2026 winter game. St. Paul, Minnesota is curling country and Tabitha Peterson is its strategic mastermind. As the skip of the women's squad, she's known for her calm demeanor and clutch shot at making under extreme pressure. After leading her team to world championship medals, she returns to Olympic ice with unfinished business. Pearson's experience gives the Americans a fighting chance against the world's best, and she's ready to sweep her way to the podium for more Winter Games Gold Search olympics on the iHeartRadio app on June.
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11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Awjay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the Sheriff's department. The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?
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Show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up man? It's your boy Nab Green from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nab Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Another team who ain't going to the playoff? The Chiefs. What's a wrap? It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake.
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Nick Wright
May up there, Josh Allen up there still.
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Nav Green
Oh my boy Matthew Stafford.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
Where did Nicks at?
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Nick Wright
He ain't too far behind.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
He did all this talking.
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Nick Wright
What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically bro is crazy.
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Nick Wright
He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.
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Nav Green
I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.
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Nick Wright
The best lie is partial truth.
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Nick Wright
All right, Damanzi, let's talk Darnold before we get to the Patriots side of things.
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Damanze
All right, so Darnold went from seeing ghosts to winning the Super Bowl. We know his path has not been the easiest one. Been pretty crazy. Has there been any other athlete that you can compare to Darnold's pathway or is he like a one of one?
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Nick Wright
I mean, brew brought up. Oh my gosh. Now I can't. Guy got Jim Plunkett. Thank you guys. Yesterday, as I mean it is a good. It is a good comp and I loved that Brew went there with it. Jim Plunkett was the number one overall pick in the draft and then Demons A was. He was the number one overall pick in the 1971 draft and busted out with the Patriots. Then, you know, busted out with the Niners pre Montana, then went to the Raiders as a backup and won two Super Bowls with the Raiders and was right and was. Yeah, it's an all time. So that's the. That is the gold standard of this. But Darnold also was the first silver medalist. No, but he was the third pick. I mean he was the third pick of the draft. A little, little known part of First Things first lore, if you will. Darnold was one of our first in studio guests back when it was me and Chris Carter. It was right before he was drafted or no, it would have been right after. No, I think it was right before the draft and Chris brought with him his hall of Fame tie and gave it to Darnold and along the lines of like, oh yeah, wear this when you make it right? Type of thing. Darnold Right.
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Damanze
And then seeing how it's like, kind of panned out the first few years.
- [36:36]
Nick Wright
Of his career, it was a disaster. He was a punchline.
- [36:40]
Damanze
Yeah, he.
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Nick Wright
He was a punchline. And so I do think the fact that. And the Wilds talks about this a lot, and he's not wrong. The seeing ghost thing was brutal. It was also borderline unfair. Like, NFL Films miked up never embarrasses guys. Like, they get a lot of audio that they don't use. It's not like it's a live stream. And that wasn't like caught on a hot mic. He was miked up and then they played it on the broadcast, which was kind of a violation.
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Damanze
Like, I actually never knew that that came from, like, out of his mouth. I thought that was something that somebody like people always referred to. It was like, he's joking.
- [37:34]
Nick Wright
He was.
- [37:34]
Damanze
He actually said it. That's really.
- [37:36]
Nick Wright
He was playing a Monday Night Football game against New England. I. It might have been his last start ever with the Jets. I mean, I was like on the sideline.
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Damanze
I'm seeing ghosts out there, guys. To one of these guys or whatever.
- [37:54]
Nick Wright
Correct. That's exactly what happened. So I'm going to look because his last start ever with the jets was January 3, 2021. Was that a Monday, is the question I'm asking it? No. So maybe that wasn't the game. The. That. Oh, no, it was. So let me see. The October 21, 2019. That was the game. So October 21, 2019 was a Monday. The jets lost 33 to nothing. He was 11 of 32 for 86 yards, four picks, no touchdowns, bad game to start year two in the league. And he said, I'm seeing ghosts out there. And even though, by the way, that year the team went seven and six outside of. Or when he played outside of that game, he had 19 touchdowns, nine picks. That was the memorable thing. And then the next year, he was brutal, and the jets were brutal. They move him on to Carolina. He actually has like a decent stretch in Carolina, but it doesn't matter. And he's goes and be the. And he's the backup in San Francisco and then has that remarkable year with the Vikings. But we all give, hand up all the credit to Justin Jefferson and Kevin o' Connell and then feel validated by his final two games of the year and then goes Seattle. And this is what I want to say about Darnold, because he wasn't great in the Super Bowl. He was very good at avoiding the disaster, and he was Playing with fire early. First pass of the game I thought could have been pick six. Ended up being a 14 yard game. Patriots were like you. The Patriots approach was you're going to blow it. The Patriots offensive approach early was don't make a mistake because Darnold's going to blow it. And listen, he missed some throws but he didn't make the disaster mistake. And I thought three times demons he.
- [40:25]
Damanze
Was going to get saved.
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Nick Wright
Yes. Yeah, he looked dead to rights and got out of it. And those were big plays. But here's the other thing I'll say about Darnold as far as how heavy this super bowl championship is for him in a good way. If you agree with me that the real super bowl was the NFC championship game, well then you have to acknowledge he was the MVP of that game. Guy threw for 3:53 touchdowns. A 1:28 rated like was awesome going bar for bar with Matthew Stafford. So if that was their toughest game of the year, he delivered. He absolutely delivered. And so listen, he's 28 years old, turns 29 in the off season.
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Damanze
He's will be his permanent home here there in Seattle.
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Nick Wright
I mean I would imagine he gets an extension this summer.
- [41:40]
Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
And they can. So here's what they could do. I would imagine so because he's on a three year, hundred million dollars deal. Right. So his cap hit next year's 38 million in the year after is 41. I would think they could give him like another. They could give him three years, 150, 50 million a year thereabouts. And make it so he's always one of the lower paid quarterbacks because they can put some of that on this year's cap. Like they can spread that out the 80 million cap dollars they owe over the next two, three plus one 50. So that would be 230 million in cap dollars over the next five years. So that's 46 million a year average. That's still a bargain for a quarterback. So yeah, I mean I think he's going to be in a good spot and you got to be happy for him. And he was so good in the NFC championship game. And so he has kind of taken Baker's corner as the gold standard of the contemporary redemption story arc. Like Baker's had a really good one, but Darnold's now damn super bowl champion.
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Damanze
Yeah.
- [43:14]
Nick Wright
All right, let's. Let's talk about the other side of the ball. All right.
- [43:19]
Damanze
Everything was vindicated that the folks were saying about the Patriots and Drake May in this game, New England's offense was shaky. They could not do anything. But obviously this is Drake May's second year in the NFL. How are we feeling about New England side of things?
- [43:34]
Nick Wright
Well, listen, I wanted to start with Drake May. He was awesome this year, schedule or not, he was awesome week to week in the regular season. I didn't think he was the best quarterback in the league this year. I thought that was Matt Stafford, but he was the most consistent. He almost never had a bad game. He, I didn't think he had the greatest supporting cast and he was excellent. That is an objective truth. Another objective truth is he was somewhere between pretty bad to downright awful in all four playoff games. There's not one playoff game you can point to and be like, no, that's the game. He was excellent. The first game of the playoffs, they scored 16 points, he threw a pick and had two fumbles. The second game of the playoffs, he threw a pick, had four fumbles, including a couple when it was so clear the only way they could lose was him turning the ball over because CJ Stroud was self immolating on the other side of the field. Third game of the playoffs, he had 40 yards before there was a, a drop of snow falling from the sky and they scored seven points. And in this game he did absolutely nothing through three quarters. And then the moment is very interesting to Monze. First nine drives, all punts, then final five drives when it was like, okay, gotta go for stuff. Did score two touchdowns and had three turnovers. The moment it was, all right, we gotta start trying to play for big plays. He's turned back into a turnover machine. He was sacked 21 times this postseason, the most by any quarterback in a playoffs ever. Not all of that is on him, but some of that is on him. These were not all instant sacks. And he fumbled seven times in four playoff games, the most of all time. So I, I think he's really good. But.
- [46:22]
Damanze
You give him a big break for it being a second year, right? Or no, like it's.
- [46:26]
Nick Wright
No, no, no, I give him a big break for it being a second year. I don't immediately say though, oh, and he'll have a ton of chances to make up for this. No, that he's. I like right now, I would say I don't think the Patriot, like right now. If I were to do way too early playoff picks for next year, I wouldn't have the Patriots in it.
- [46:57]
Damanze
Oh, okay.
- [46:58]
Nick Wright
Like, so that is so. I just think so. Here is the thing also, the schedule changing up and stuff well, when, when I tell you how the schedule has changed up, I don't think you're going to believe it. Because it's not just that they have a first place schedule to Monse, it's that they draw. As far as the way the NFL schedule works is you play everyone in your division twice, that's six of your games. Then you play one other division in your conference that rotates every year, one other division in the other conference that rotates every year, and then you have three strength of schedule games. The meaning if you were the division winner, you play the two division winners in your conference that aren't on your schedule, plus one from the other conference. So the Patriots go from. And this is the important part about the schedule. Every year someone has the easiest schedule by definition. That wasn't why the Patriots schedule was noteworthy. Patriot schedule was noteworthy because it was the easiest schedule anyone has played this century and the second easiest schedule anyone has played in 50 years. So it wasn't just the easiest this season, it was by opponent winning percentage, the easiest in 25 years and the second easiest in 50 years. So that, that wasn't just because they were playing, you know, a last place schedule. It was also because they drew the NFC south, which wasn't good, and the AFC north, which turned out not to be good. Next year they draw the NFC north and the AFC west. And their home road splits are tough. So here the Monze are and they get a little unlucky. Nine road games instead of eight because that alternates every year they have nine road games. Daman's, these are, this is the Patriots road games next year. Jets, Dolphins, divisional games. Fine, you play. Yeah, the Bills, a divisional game. Here are their other six road games. The Bears, the Lions, the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Jags, the Seahawks.
- [49:34]
Damanze
Ramping up.
- [49:36]
Nick Wright
Well, it's all of your non divisional road games are playoff teams, except for the Chiefs and the Lions. And now at home you get your again your divisional opponents. Jets, Dolphins, Bills. And then at home you also get the Raiders. So that's nice. And your other home games are Vikings. Okay. Steelers. Fine. Packers, Raiders. I'm sorry, Packers. I already said Raiders, Packers, Broncos. Pardon me. So it is. You have the history of in the last 30 years, one team that lost the super bowl got back to it the following year. The 2017 Patriots did. But they were maybe a little immunized from the super bowl hangover because they had won the Super bowl in 2016. So it wasn't quite as emotionally devastating. And 11 teams missed the playoffs outright or 13 teams. And. I think it's 11. Let me make sure I have this right. 7. No, this is what it is. 17 teams after losing the Super bowl made the playoffs. 13 won a single playoff game or one. At least one playoff game. And only. Or I have that wrong. Ignore me on this because I. Josh sent this to me yesterday. I don't have it committed to memory. Only one team's made it back to the super bowl, and the majority of teams in the last 30 years have either missed the playoffs or been one and done in the playoffs. That I know. The other numbers I don't have committed to memory. So it's tough. And I know people are going to talk about Drake May's shoulder. I. I do not attribute that performance to his shoulder. In part because his best passes of the game were late. Like after he'd been hit even more. I also.
- [51:59]
Damanze
He did. I feel like his receivers kind of dropped some stuff too. Like it was on there. I feel like some of the plays. Yeah, he was there and they just were.
- [52:07]
Nick Wright
I don't know.
- [52:07]
Damanze
Couldn't get it.
- [52:08]
Nick Wright
But it was a bad game by everyone on the Pats offense. Oh, worst game by left tackle Will Campbell.
- [52:16]
Damanze
Yeah.
- [52:17]
Nick Wright
Who. Now that's another thing we're talking about, like the Pat's future. They spend the number four overall pick on a guy who might just be a decent left guard. That would be a problem. You draft them, be a franchise left tackle now, maybe he'll get better. But that was fuel for it. Yeah, that was a rough one.
- [52:40]
Damanze
And.
- [52:42]
Nick Wright
I. You just don't know. And so I'm going to give you another fact. And I'm not trying to listen. I. I've been very pro Drake May all year, but I also thought the revisionist history on why he was struggling in the playoffs, as if every game was played in the weather of the final quarter and a half in Denver, was nonsense. I also thought that people, Pat's fans kept saying, well, look at the great defenses they've played and they were great defenses. But I don't. I personally, while I might not just kill you if you play poorly against a great defense, you don't get atta boys for playing a great defense and playing awful. Like there's no credit to be gained from playing really bad.
- [53:38]
Damanze
They escaped.
- [53:39]
Nick Wright
Right. And so I. Things fell very nicely for New England along this playoff route. They earned that. Good for them. The team that's got to be absolutely sick to their stomach is the Broncos. Like, man, if Bo Nicks. Now maybe the Broncos get beat up by Seattle, but they feel like we were better than New England and our quarterback got hurt. Here's another one. Damanze. In the last 50 years there have only been two quarterbacks to lose the first Super bowl they play in and ever win one, just two. And that is Jalen Hurts and John Elway. John Elway lost his first three in the 80s and then got to back to back in the 90s. And there's not many quarterbacks. There's not many others. I'm trying to think who it would be who are even the quarterbacks other than those guys to lose their first super bowl and even get back to a Super Bowl. Well, Jim Kelly, obviously. He went to four in a row. Ken Anderson, maybe. I don't know.
- [55:01]
Damanze
Regardless, next year.
- [55:03]
Nick Wright
Well, Joe Burrow, maybe Burrows, but so no but the. The Joe Burrow things instructive.
- [55:11]
Damanze
Yeah.
- [55:11]
Nick Wright
Bengals fans after year 2 as sucks we didn't win. We'll be right back. And the next year they were close. They were in the AFC title game and then never there again. The one everyone always will bring up. So I'm not breaking news here is the Miami Dolphins, year 2 Dan Marine. They're 14 and 2 Dan Marino wins league MVP. They go to the Super Bowl. They get beat up by the Niners. The next year they're in the AFC championship game. We're right there. We're going to be there every year with Marino the rest of Dan Marino's career. They made the conference championship game once and made zero more Super Bowls. It's hard and it's just particularly hard in the AFC when I would imagine demons a next year Chiefs, Ravens bounce back a bit. Are the Bengals going to be just an embarrassment forever? Are they going to finally get their act together? There's. There's just a lot of. So this was a great year for New England, but there the reason they were 14 and three was an MVP candidate quarterback. And they didn't get that in the playoffs. And there's a combination of factors. It's defenses, it's he's banged up, it's competition, it's weather. It's that, you know, he got a little tight. In my opinion. It's all of it. But you're not guaranteed to be back there. And I say one other thing. Sacks are not exclusively a quarterback stat. But they are. They also aren't, you know, totally removed from quarterback play. And Drake may now in how many games is the kid played? He's played 30 games. Okay, 29 starts. So 29 games in the regular season, four in the playoffs. So he's he's had 33 starts in his career. In those 33 starts, he has been sacked 102 times. That that feels like too big of a number and is something that I would be at least a little concerned about. All right. You ever notice how everything keeps going up? Rents going up? Streaming services going up? Your favorite burrito spot wants to charge you extra for Salza. Not with Boost Mobile. With Boost Mobile, you and your phone bill don't have to play the Will this go up Soon Game. Why? Because Boost Mobile has a limited talk, text and data plan at a price that'll never go up. In fact, it's the same price you'll pay for life. So switch now for unlimited wireless at a price that will never go up. Only at boost mobile. After 30 gigs, customers may experience lower speeds. Customers will pay $25 per month as long as they remain active on the Boost unlimited plan.
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Nick Wright
Josh Allen up there still.
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Nav Green
Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford.
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Nick Wright
He ain't too far behind.
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Nick Wright
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Nick Wright
Hey, he should be in that conversation.
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Nick Wright
Real quick, before we get to the MVP voting, which happened after our last show, reminder, please send in any questions because we're gonna do a mailbag style podcast next week. All right, Demanze, let's go to the Stafford stuff.
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Damanze
Oh, yeah. So as we know, Drake May or Stafford beat Drake May by about a vote in the MVP race. After seeing this game, he also announced that he's returning next year. But after, after seeing this game, do you think that the voters are correct?
- [63:41]
Nick Wright
Well, you know what I think? Yes, definitely. I also think that it was. Flawed logic to do what some folks were doing, which is Stafford carved up the Seahawks defense. Stafford's, you know, and Drake May were 1A, 1B and MVP voting. So why can't Drake May carve up the Seahawks defense when Stafford carved up the Seahawks defense with the help of Sean McVay, with Pukinakua, with Devonte Adams, and with the benefit of having played them by the time they got to the NFC championship game five times in the previous 14 months because divisional opponent and all of that, like that's just. That's not what it was. Matt Stafford deserved league MVP this year. He was the best player in the league this season. I don't think it is all that close. It was closer than it should have been and I think the super bowl put a spotlight on it. As mad as people were at my buddy Sam Monson for the Justin Herbert MVP vote, I do want to spend a second about the, you know, my, my pal, friend of the show and voters obsession with him, Josh Allen in getting two first place votes. So this is now. So again, he should be on the ballot. No question about it. But first place means you think they should win it. I also have a theory that I stumbled upon. We were talking about hall of Fame stuff that I wonder if people would vote more honestly for hall of Fames and awards if this is how they did it. We're going to have 50 voters. Everyone's going to fill out their ballot and we are not counting the votes. We are putting all of the votes in a big bin, stirring them up and picking one ballot at random. And that's the award because I know. So just hear me out on this. Think about the hall of Fame thing with Belichick.
- [66:27]
Damanze
Yeah.
- [66:29]
Nick Wright
If people, if, if that's what. Because I do feel like some people like with the hall of Fame. They're like, well, this guy's gonna get in. I'd rather my vote go for this person. Try to try to game the system. I think Sam Monson, when he voted for Justin Herbert or even the people who voted for Josh Allen, they did not think this guy's going to win. What they thought was, I want to, you know, shake how much value. Right.
- [67:00]
Damanze
Yeah.
- [67:02]
Nick Wright
But if people knew, no, there's not going to be other people to fix your mistakes, so to speak. We are, we trust you 50 voters and one of your ballots is just going to be the ballot and there's no way of telling whose. I do wonder if people would be like, okay, I need to.
- [67:25]
Damanze
Yeah, I can't put Justin her fine with.
- [67:27]
Nick Wright
Right. I can't. So I and I feel the same way. It's very, very difficult to make the case. Josh Allen had a better year than Stafford or Drake.
- [67:37]
Damanze
Yeah.
- [67:39]
Nick Wright
And this is now. And I only care about the first place votes. Piece of it. So I. We now have had the following instances and I'm not picking. This is not Josh's fault. And in fact a lot of the blowback, if there is any or backlash Josh Allen gets is because of some of the media treatment that is indicative of these votes. Because I don't think Josh Allen thought He deserved league MVP this year, but two of the 50 voters did. And here is the trend that I'm talking about and I'm going to use very simple numbers here. Okay, I understand it's more than that and I get it, but I'm going to. It's a podcast and so I can't show it to you graphically this year. Matthew Stafford had 4,700 yards. His passing numbers, 4,700 yards, 46 touchdowns, eight picks. Josh Allen had 3,600 yards, 25 touchdowns, 10 picks and two people voted for him for MVP last year. He won it. I thought he should have won it, but again, if we're just doing the passing numbers. He had 3,700 yards, 28 touchdowns, six picks. Lamar had 4,100 yards, 41 touchdowns, four picks. Fine dog. Josh Allen got a first place vote the year before when he had 29 touchdowns and led the league in interceptions with 18. Dak Prescott did not get a first place vote that year when he had 36 touchdowns and half the interceptions. 2022 when Patrick Mahomes had 41 touchdowns, 12 picks and 5,200 yards. Josh Allen got one first place vote when he had 4,200 yards, 35 touchdowns. And 14 picks and the maybe the best one in 2020 when Aaron Rodgers had 48 touchdowns and five picks and Mahomes had 38 touchdowns and six picks and both teams had better records than the Bills. Josh Allen got four first place votes when he had 37 touchdowns and 10 picks. Eds. There are a couple MVP voters that are just Josh Allen no matter what voters. And it's baffling to me.
- [70:42]
Damanze
Show yourself.
- [70:44]
Nick Wright
And so I, you know I. But the voters did get it right and I think it's good for everyone involved, including Drake May that he didn't win mvp. Yeah, I. Stafford deserved it. And it does cement Stafford as a Hall of Famer in my opinion. And I'm glad. Now these again these folks doing the top 10 quarterback stuff like we. We gotta the Let me see if I can find my all time quarterback see if I can find my all time quarterback pyramid because I didn't want to do it off top of my head. But give me one second and then we'll get out of here. All time quarterback pyramid. I should have had this before. No, that's the all time. No I don't. Gosh darn it.
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Damanze
You think of the Rams. There are any other teams in Cancun turning their TV off piss because they should have been there and they could have won that game.
- [71:46]
Nick Wright
I mean just the Broncos. Yeah, you know what I mean? Just the Broncos. Broncos. Let me try. I'm gonna try one other thing on this. Go ahead. Sorry.
- [71:55]
Damanze
No, no, no. I was gonna say the Texans, but the Texans have no way of getting there with their quarterback play. So.
- [72:03]
Nick Wright
So the. Well, yeah but okay, I found. I found one of my older all time quarterback mountains. Just real quick if we are for people that are wanting to do Stafford where he ranks and again is a hall of Famer now in my opinion. But quarterbacks who without a shadow of a doubt have to be ahead of him in the all time quarterback rankings. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Johnny Unitis, Bart Starr, Otto Graham, Sammy Bar. Because people tell me I'll trust him on it. Drew Brees. And then we can start discussing him versus Big Ben, Lamar. Big Ben and Lamar. Like that. And Josh Allen to round out your top 20. What? Okay, what did you think I was talking about?
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Damanze
Where's Stafford? Out there.
- [73:39]
Nick Wright
That right. So that's. Those were all the guys that I just said ahead of him. So. Okay, so of all time quarterbacks I'll do it again.
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Damanze
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Brady, Mahomes, Peyton, Montana, Marino, Elway, Rogers, Farve, Staubach, Bradshaw. Those are the 10 kind of modern era guys. And then I will add the old timers, which are Unitis, Star, Graham, Sammy Ball. Now we're at 14. Then I would get to Steve Young, Drew Brees, and then after that we can have the discussion of after those 16 guys. Stafford alongside Lamar, Kurt Warner, Troy Aikman, Big Ben, Josh Allen. Like to round out your top 20. Top 25, that's the neighborhood he's in. But this top 10 all time, it's just not. It's much like a lot of people's top tens. The people saying it would not actually say it if they put pen to paper. So that's, you know, that's. Did you. Did you think I had them too high, too low? I know you don't have the.
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Damanze
No, I understand. I mean, yeah, there was just a bunch of, a bunch of those guys. You know, I obviously did not watch, but I thought Matthew Stafford was. I thought he'd be a little bit higher up in your list.
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Nick Wright
The problem for Stafford is the, the decade plus in Detroit when he was a good player but not great and like, oh, and three in the playoffs. Made one Pro bowl, like just, you know, and so again he's hall of Famer now. To me, I'm ahead of Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, those guys. But top 10 all time is just a bananas opinion. Bananas. All right, maybe audio only podcast on Thursday. Keep the questions coming because we will do a kind of a mailbag style pod next week. But yeah, subscribe wherever you get your podcast. That'll help us out and make sure you guys get to see whenever the podcast does come out on whatever platform it is. But yeah, but please, if you're not watching live, by the way, put your mailbag questions in the comments on YouTube and we can get to them that way. All right, Huge thank you as always to Volume and to Blue Duck. Thank you to Damanze, to Boost Mobile and to Hard Rock bet. And I will see you guys live or you guys will hear me live from Daytona on Thursday. And I'll be on TV with Colin in about 90 minutes. Talk to you guys then. What's right?
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