Episode Overview

Episode: Jeff's Farewell To The Human Action Podcast
Date: April 8, 2023
Hosts: Jeff Deist & Dr. Bob Murphy
Theme:
This bittersweet episode marks Jeff Deist's departure from the Human Action Podcast after eight years of thought-provoking discussions on Austrian economics and libertarianism. Jeff and co-host Dr. Bob Murphy reflect on the podcast's evolution, revisit major topics and enduring debates, and look ahead to the show's future content and direction. Jeff also discusses his new book, A Strange Liberty: Politics Drops Its Pretenses, and the changing landscape of American politics and liberty.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. History and Evolution of the Podcast

• Origins as Mises Weekends
  • The podcast began around 2015 as "Mises Weekends," focusing on broad socio-political and libertarian topics.
  • Jeff comments on the oversaturation of political podcasts and the show's pivot to become “purely Austrian.”
  • "We needed to do something that was really purely Austrian... there aren't really any hardcore pure Austrian econ podcasts, at least not shows of any discernible size." — Jeff Deist (02:31)
• Transition to Book-Focused Format
  • The podcast began tackling core Austrian economics texts, providing multi-episode "deep dives" serving as "Cliff's Notes" for listeners.
  • "We will distinguish ourselves from any other podcast just by the sheer substance of the show itself... it'll be like a Cliff's Notes for the various books." — Jeff (02:54)
  • Classic texts covered: Mises’s Human Action, Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State, Socialism, Bureaucracy, and more.
• Shift Back to Broader Topics
  • The demanding workload led to less book-intensive episodes, ushering in Dr. Bob Murphy as a regular co-host and a broader set of discussion topics.

2. Reflecting on Content and Impact

• Longevity of Book Episodes

  • Both hosts agree that the in-depth book discussions are foundational and have long-term value.
  • "Those are classics that people want... people will be going to those 20, 30 years down because... hearing other people who had read [Human Action] and getting up and talking about it, that really helped it click." — Bob (06:47)

• Challenging but Rewarding Content

  • The book-focused episodes attracted a niche but dedicated audience.
  • Discussed the difficulty yet importance of engaging with dense texts like Man, Economy, and State and Human Action.

• Notable Guests

  • Jim Grant is mentioned as a particularly "highbrow" and memorable guest (05:26).

3. Intellectual and Political Shifts

• Changing Nature of Libertarian and Austrian Debates

  • Reflection on the high energy around “anarcho-capitalist” debates in the Ron Paul era and their subsequent decline.
  • The hosts discuss how new, more divisive cultural issues have eclipsed traditional discussions (10:37–14:14).
  • "Discussions and the interest in anarcho capitalism... have sort of peaked and receded... It's not really the debate in front of us anymore." — Jeff (13:21)

• Rise of State-Corporate Fusion

  • Both hosts acknowledge shifts in their thinking about private vs. state power, noting the rapid rise of collusion between major corporations and government.
  • "We've seen what Michael Recton calls governmentalities—we've seen this nexus of corporate and state power." — Jeff (13:54)
  • "Private special interests... were handpicked by... the private special interests that we're saying, 'No, no, it's not them. Don't look at them. That's free market, baby.'" — Bob (16:14)

• Adapting to New Challenges

  • The Mises Institute's record of taking principled but costly stands on issues like the Iraq War and COVID lockdowns is celebrated (10:37–12:08).

4. The Present and Future of the Mises Institute and Podcast

• New Issues for Focus
  • The importance of addressing banking, money, and new digital challenges in light of recent events (e.g., Silicon Valley Bank, CBDCs).
  • "Right now, especially because the banking sector is so relevant... the avenue through which a lot of this stuff is going to transform very quickly." — Bob (19:55)
  • The need to explain the societal and cultural impacts of fiat money and central banking (21:16–22:50).
  • Highlighting the Institute’s unique role in defending both cultural and economic dimensions of liberty.
• Theory and Practice
  • Rejects the idea that theory and practical application are separate; asserts Austrian insights will prove crucial in the coming economic decade.
  • "Theory is how we approach the world and deal with the data that’s out there." — Jeff (26:30)

5. Jeff Deist’s Book: A Strange Liberty

• Content and Central Thesis
  • Collection of essays exploring the idea that America has moved "beyond persuasion" in politics; politics is now about vanquishing opponents, not consensus (27:33–32:26).
  • "It's too late for politics in the United States and in the west, that we're beyond being able to vote our way out of this." — Jeff (27:54)
  • Examines decentralization, secession, and “soft secession” as non-violent solutions to irreconcilable social and political divides.
  • Questions the utility of "mass democracy" at the current scale, suggests breaking up the U.S. into more manageable, locally governed units.
• Post-Persuasion America
  • Concept (popularized by Steve Bannon) that, despite information abundance, Americans are entrenched in their views and resistant to persuasion due to information overload and polarization (34:20–36:07).
  • "... people are digging in more than ever simply because there's so much white noise coming at them." — Jeff (35:13)
• Case for Optimism
  • Despite the dysfunction, there’s hope: decentralization, local action, and entrepreneurial solutions can rebuild what central government cannot (39:51–43:28).
  • "Empowerment starts with honest reflection... it's an uneasy time... but nonetheless, I think empowerment starts with honest reflection." — Jeff (42:53)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Book Pod Format:
  "Those podcasts are still there. You know, they don't have a time element to them. You can go back and listen to them anytime." — Jeff (04:18)
• On Libertarianism’s Changing Questions:
  "The 21st century question is more 'who decides?'... at what level and what degree of centralization or decentralization are we going to have to accept?" — Jeff (17:07)
• On Policy and Division:
  "Politics is no longer pretending to be at all win-win... it's just a pure zero sum game with a lot of nastiness involved." — Jeff (30:59)
• Post-Persuasion:
  "... access to information has never been easier... but Bannon says, no, no, no, it's going the opposite direction. People are digging in more than ever simply because there's so much white noise coming at them." — Jeff (35:10)
• On Optimism:
  "Empowerment starts with honest reflection... people are getting together more at the local level... that makes the case for long term optimism, even if there's some short term pain along the way." — Jeff (43:02)

Important Timestamps

• Origins & Transition to Book Format: [01:17]–[04:18]
• Reflections on Book Podcasting: [06:21]–[07:27]
• Shifts in Libertarian Debate: [13:21]–[16:32]
• Cultural and Political Transformations: [16:32]–[21:50]
• Role of the Mises Institute Today: [19:31]–[23:50]
• Jeff’s New Book and Post-Persuasion America: [27:33]–[36:07]
• Soft Secession & Decentralization: [37:50]–[39:51]
• Case for Optimism & Final Thoughts: [39:51]–[43:28]

Looking Ahead

• The Human Action Podcast will continue under Dr. Bob Murphy’s stewardship, focusing on the enduring topics of Austrian money and banking, while adapting to a world reshaped by digital currencies, increased state-corporate collusion, and sharpening cultural divides.
• Jeff encourages listeners to look for localized solutions and maintain optimism in the face of political and social fragmentation.
• Listeners are invited to check out Jeff’s new book, A Strange Liberty, for a deeper exploration of the episode’s themes.

For Further Exploration

• A Strange Liberty: Politics Drops Its Pretenses by Jeff Deist (available at mises.org and Amazon).
• Classic Human Action Podcast episodes on core Austrian economics texts (accessible via the Mises Institute archives).

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