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The Hurdle Rate Podcast
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Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives.
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Look For The Helpers | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 68
Yesterday00:47:42Summary readyIn this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the Coldcard self custody exploit and how the Bitcoin community responded to it, before turning to what the event revealed about how few people understood the cryptography they were relying on. We dig into the yen hitting its weakest level in forty years and what a fragile treasury market means for everyone holding dollars, Strategy's decision to sell Bitcoin and build a cash reserve, and the game theory behind buybacks. We close with a deeper look at the traditional capital that is starting to fill gaps this market used to fill on its own. Here's the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Timestamps 00:00 - Welcome To The Hurdle Rate 02:03 - The Weekend That Tested Self Custody 03:34 - Look For The Helpers 07:48 - Why A White Hat Could Not Have Saved This 13:11 - A Humbling Event For The Whole Market 17:09 - What People Did Not Understand About Cryptography 20:58 - Bitcoin Recovers From The Drop 23:24 - The Yen At Forty Year Lows 28:38 - Who Actually Buys Treasuries Now 33:48 - Fragile Markets And What Props Them Up 36:42 - Strategy Sells Bitcoin And Builds Reserves 41:33 - The Game Theory Of Buybacks 42:37 - Traditional Capital Fills The Gap 46:38 - What The Clarity Act Would Open Up Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/
SummaryWe’re Playing For Trillions | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 67
5d ago00:45:08Summary readyEpisode 67: We’re Playing For Trillions In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strategy’s Q2 2026 earnings call and its focus on returning STRC to par while building a trillion-dollar digital credit market. We explore why liquidity, simplicity, and preserving Bitcoin’s upside remain central to the strategy, along with the risks of borrowing against Bitcoin or using derivatives for short-term cash flow. Matt and Ben share lessons from meeting investors in Hong Kong, while Jeff explains how Strive is working to differentiate itself within the insurance industry. We close with a discussion on bringing Bitcoin to traditional institutions and the Federal Reserve’s shift away from heavy forward guidance. Here’s the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome to The Hurdle Rate 01:30 - Why Digital Credit Is a Trillion-Dollar Opportunity 03:00 - Consolidating Liquidity Around STRC 07:30 - Building an Ecosystem Around Digital Credit 10:30 - Reading the Market and Maintaining the 12% Dividend 13:30 - STRC, Short Interest, and Minimizing Volatility 16:30 - The Risks of Borrowing and Derivative Strategies 22:30 - MSTR’s Long-Term Leverage and Holding Period 24:00 - Bringing Digital Credit to Hong Kong Investors 30:00 - Why Strive Rejects the “DAT” Label 33:00 - Strive’s Balance Sheet Growth Despite Bitcoin’s Decline 34:30 - Bringing Bitcoin to Wall Street 42:00 - Fed Policy and Kevin Warsh’s Communication Strategy 45:00 - Closing Thoughts Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ Disclaimer: The content in this video is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be considered financial advice. We are not financial advisors, and you should consult with a qualified professional before making any financial decisions. All investments involve risks, and you are responsible for your own decisions. True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [www.sec.gov](http://www.sec.gov).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.
SummaryEpisode 66: Social Investing
2w ago00:59:22Summary readyIn this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the slow summer market and strategy's focus on building up its balance sheet to improve credit quality. We explore how Strategy and Strive are navigating macro uncertainty, steadying operations, and executing consistent Bitcoin buys through the summer doldrums. We also dig into the derivatives market, short interest dynamics for ASST and SATA, and how lending out shares ultimately impacts corporate dividend payments and tax treatment. We close with a broader discussion on structured finance, the emergence of AI agents in retail investing, and the long-term potential of building durable digital credit structures to onboard massive institutional capital into the Bitcoin era. Here’s the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome Back to the Hurdle Rate 11:09 – Trading Volumes: MSTR vs. IBIT 12:33 – Analysis of Short Interest & Derivatives Markets 16:04 – Tax Treatments for Lending Shares & Manufactured Dividends 20:10 – Short Squeezes & Conserved Energy in Equities 28:49 – Robinhood Retail AI Trading Agents 30:00 – Deconstructing Chamath’s Crypto Tweet 31:59 – Unlocking Institutional & Corporate Demand for Bitcoin 32:52 – Private Credit Markets, Structured Finance & Insurers 51:50 – Step Function Improvements in Leverage Solutions 56:28 – Battle Testing Management Teams & Risk-First Approaches Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ Disclaimer: The content in this video is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be considered financial advice. We are not financial advisors, and you should consult with a qualified professional before making any financial decisions. All investments involve risks, and you are responsible for your own decisions. True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [www.sec.gov](http://www.sec.gov).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.
SummaryEpisode 65: Shifting Institutional
3w ago00:58:25Summary readyShifting Institutional | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 65 In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew opens with updates from Strategy, Strive, and the digital credit market before recapping the major developments from Q2. We cover Strategy’s growing cash reserve, market feedback, and the evolution of Bitcoin-backed credit. We also explore institutional adoption, structured products, AI, intellectual property, and the limits of government intervention in the debt crisis. We close it off with thoughts on outdated financial systems and Bitcoin’s expanding role in traditional capital markets. Here’s the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Time Stamps: 0:00 Welcome to The Hurdle Rate 5:19 Digital Credit During Quiet Markets 8:01 Strategy Rebuilds Its Cash Reserve 11:51 Market Uncertainty And Bullish Catalysts 17:21 STRC And Convertible Debt 19:37 AI, The Fed, And Protecting IP 24:14 The U.S. Debt Crisis 31:39 Bitcoin-Backed Institutional Credit 35:30 Building Structured Bitcoin Products 43:12 Growing Institutional Bitcoin Interest 48:02 Stablecoins And Outdated Settlements 53:05 Bitcoin Stewardship And Constructive Engagement 58:29 Closing Thoughts Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ Disclaimer: The content in this video is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be considered financial advice. We are not financial advisors, and you should consult with a qualified professional before making any financial decisions. All investments involve risks, and you are responsible for your own decisions. True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [www.sec.gov](http://www.sec.gov).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.
SummaryEpisode 64: Building The Track Record
4w ago00:45:27Summary readyEpisode 64: Building The Track Record In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strategy’s sale of Bitcoin to fund dividend payments and why the market’s reaction may signal growing confidence in Bitcoin as a liquid capital asset. We explore how Strategy and Strive are using balance sheet management, digital credit, and capital markets access to keep their models moving through volatility. We also dig into SATA’s short interest, the idea of a “controlled burn,” and how Strive is thinking about protecting shareholders while allowing the market to function. We close with a broader discussion on patience, positioning, and building durable structures in the Bitcoin capital markets era. Here's the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Time Stamps: 00:00 Welcome to the Hurdle Rate 03:20 Why Selling Bitcoin Helps STRC Confidence 05:37 Matt Cole on Strategy’s Long-Term Move 09:05 Bitcoin Absorbs the Sale 13:53 Bitcoin Liquidity Compared to Real Estate 17:29 Why the Model Still Works Without Capital Markets 19:03 Bitcoin CAGR + Balance Sheet Strength 23:14 Strive’s Dividend Math Compared to Strategy 27:40 SATA Short Interest + “Controlled Burn” 34:20 Jeff Explains Controlled Burns and Wildfire Incentives 41:56 Why Strive May Let SATA Trade Freely 44:05 Patience, Positioning, and Market Discipline 45:07 Closing Thoughts
SummaryEpisode 63: The Digital Credit Capital Framework
Jun 3001:14:12Summary readyEpisode 63: The Digital Credit Capital Framework In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew opens with the latest on digital credit volatility and the broader market backdrop, before digging into Strategy's capital framework and how management is navigating stress in the system. The conversation turns to institutional behavior, the realities of managing a cash balance sheet, and the dynamics of leverage and short interest within digital credit. We unpack high yield investing perspectives, what resilience and company DNA actually look like in this market, and the specific investor protections built into SATA. We close with reflections on what it takes to build durable structures in the digital credit era.
SummaryEpisode 62: Digital Credit Weakness
Jun 2200:53:45Summary readyEpisode 62: Digital Credit Weakness Full episodes: https://tnorth.com/hurdle-rate/ In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the mechanics of volatility and liquidation events, before turning to shifting investor behavior and how markets react to sudden liquidations. We dig into how digital credit stacks up against traditional financial instruments, the innovations shaping the future of the lending landscape, and what it takes for protocols to remain resilient in brutal bear markets. We close with a deeper look at the Federal Reserve, the opinions surrounding Kevin Warsh, and why navigating economic uncertainty requires a unique strategy for the anticipated super cycle ahead. Here’s the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. 00:00 - Welcome To The Hurdle Rate 06:24 - Analyzing Volatility and Liquidation Events 11:28 - Understanding Market Reactions and Investor Behavior 17:23 - Comparing Digital Credit to Traditional Financial Instruments 22:11 - The Future of Digital Credit and Market Innovations 30:52 - Resilience in Bear Markets 36:07 - Opinions on Kevin Warsh and the Fed 41:48 - Navigating Economic Uncertainty 51:53 - Optimism for a Super Cycle
SummaryEpisode 61: What’s Your Time Preference?
Jun 1600:52:47Summary readyIn this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the latest corporate Bitcoin market activity and Strive's growing Bitcoin holdings, before turning to Strategy's Bitcoin sale and what the balance sheet math actually reveals about risk and permanent impairment. We dig into historical bear market scenarios, how to manage amplification ratios, and the product management and demand dynamics shaping the treasury company landscape. We close with a deeper look at what digital credit actually is, and why it matters for the road ahead. Full episodes: https://tnorth.com/hurdle-rate Timestamps 00:00 Welcome to the Hurdle Rate Podcast 01:44 Market Acceleration and USD Reserves 06:04 Holistic Capital Structure Strategy 12:20 Designing Long-Term Capital Vehicles 17:21 Analyzing Recent Bitcoin Flows 18:11 SpaceX IPO and Major Capital Events 29:18 Bitcoin on Institutional Balance Sheets 36:51 Takeaways from Bitcoin Prague 41:20 Onboarding New Investors via Digital Credit
SummaryEpisode 60: The Math of Amplification
Jun 200:50:39Summary readyEpisode 60: The Math of Amplification In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the latest corporate Bitcoin market activity and Strive's growing Bitcoin holdings, before turning to Strategy's Bitcoin sale and what the balance sheet math actually reveals about risk and permanent impairment. We dig into historical bear market scenarios, how to manage amplification ratios, and the product management and demand dynamics shaping the treasury company landscape. We close with a deeper look at what digital credit actually is and why it matters for the road ahead. 00:00 - Welcome To The Hurdle Rate 00:50 - Corporate Bitcoin Market Activity 2:42 - Strive's Bitcoin Holdings Update 04:41 - Market Transparency And Liquidity 13:11 - Strategy Sells Bitcoin: Balance Sheet Analysis 18:01 - Risk And Permanent Impairment 19:59 - Historical Bear Market Scenarios 27:36 - Managing Amplification Ratios 40:15 - Product Management And Demand 45:32 - Defining Digital Credit
SummaryEpisode 59: Scale Like Crazy
May 2700:47:33Summary readyEpisode 59: Scale Like Crazy 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 1:08 - Jeff’s Podcast Circuit & Strategy Retires Debt 21:27 - Strive’s Big Week 32:42 - Strategy’s Retail Q&A 41:29 - Kevin Warsh is The New Fed Chair
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