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Even though Wire are considered one of the most important post-punk bands ever, it's actually been a long time since they played in that genre. The band quickly evolved over a couple albums to incorporate more dance beats and front man Colin Newman has been in that groove ever since. In the 80s he was hired by Israel's Minimal Compact to produce an album, then he and Malka Spiegel fell in love and have been partnered in life and music ever since. Their main outlet is their electronic group Immersion who released a new album recently aptly titled WTF??. These two join us this week to explain how their worlds came together, their successful radio show Swimming in Sound came to be, the difficulty of maintaining the business of a music career, and they pull no punches with their thoughts on Elastica. It's a fascinating conversation with two vital artists. Enjoy!