Podcast Summary: The Iced Coffee Hour – Body Language Expert: STOP Doing This, It’s Making People HATE You! | Charisma On Command
Date: December 8, 2025
Hosts: Graham Stephan & Jack Selby
Guest: Charlie Houpert (Charisma on Command)
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This episode features Charlie Houpert, founder of Charisma on Command, diving into what makes people charismatic, how body language and conviction affect influence, and practical (plus philosophical) strategies for developing charisma. The conversation also covers social skills, honest self-expression, the interplay between confidence and authenticity, and how mastering charisma impacts personal and professional life. The trio weaves in business lessons, negotiation stories, finance choices, and classic Iced Coffee Hour banter.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Defining Charisma and Its Importance
- Core Definition: Charisma is recognized as alignment between one’s energy, words, and body language that inspires others to follow or trust them.
- Why It Matters: Charisma is the “gate” to influence; it recruits trust and turns ideas into movements.
- Conviction as a Factor: Conviction and internal alignment are more important than strictly the words used.
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“...one of the things that is most effective for influence is conviction.”
(Charlie, 00:30)
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2. Charismatic Personalities: Why Do Some Stand Out?
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Example: Donald Trump cited as a master of charismatic influence, not necessarily for agreeability, but for his unwavering convictions and ability to direct the conversation and news cycles.
- Quote:
“...the thing that won him the election was the way that he handled the media.”
(Charlie, 03:21)
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Unique Blend: The difference between being too much of a fan vs. being aloof; the ideal is a balance of friendliness without neediness or detachment.
- (Charlie recounts first meeting Jack, 02:16)
3. Practical Steps To Build Charisma
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Immediate Tactics:
- Improve first impressions: “When someone says, ‘How are you?,’ find a way to be better than ‘good’... inject energy or tell a short, real story.” (Charlie, 15:33, 22:03)
- Practice with strangers or ‘low-stakes’ environments like elevators, reception lobbies, or doormen to “prime” yourself for more important conversations.
- The “one more sentence” rule—add a little bit to standard small talk.
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Preparation: Don’t just focus on the in-person moment. Use pre-event rituals (music, joking with friends) to boost baseline enthusiasm and engagement before important events.
4. Authenticity & Vulnerability: The Secret Weapons
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Be Real: Faking positivity or overplaying enthusiasm backfires; authenticity—especially when appropriately vulnerable—is highly attractive in close contexts.
- Quote:
“If I wasn't doing good ... I think it's very charismatic to lead with some vulnerability in those closer relationships. In fact, that is how loose acquaintances become close friends.”
(Charlie, 18:12)
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Social Calibration: Awareness of the situation and relationship determines how much energy, honesty, or vulnerability to show.
5. Body Language, Posture & Eye Contact
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Open Body Language: Sends feedback to oneself that “you are safe,” facilitating relaxed, confident conversation.
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Eye Contact: The “tractor beam”; must be present and authentic, not just a box-ticking habit.
- Quote:
“Nothing communicates that I'm with you like eye contact.”
(Charlie, 27:29)
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Vocal Tonality: Matters greatly, but shouldn’t be over-obsessed over. Should serve natural expressiveness, not forced gestures.
- (Charlie’s story on copying a guy’s firm finger gesture, 20:20)
6. Confidence vs. Charisma
- Depth of Trust: True charisma involves confidence that is less about “I can do this” and more about “I’ll be okay no matter what.”
- Confidence Internal; Charisma External: Confidence is self-trust; charisma is how that internal trust translates to others.
- (See 13:49–15:28)
7. What Ruins Charisma?
- Overthinking and Nervous Self-Consciousness: Trying too hard or juggling too many “tips” at once kills charisma. Work on one thing at a time.
- Insincerity: “Nice guys” often fail because they’re people-pleasing inauthentically rather than honestly asserting themselves.
- Inauthentic Enthusiasm: Contrived positivity is off-putting; authenticity combined with social awareness is key.
8. Charisma, Influence, and Manipulation
- Is Charisma Manipulative? It can be if used as a mere tactic for a response, rather than an outgrowth of authenticity. The intent behind the behavior defines whether it manipulates.
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“I think the superficial aspects of almost anything that people work on themselves for ... are manipulative.” (Charlie, 70:35)
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9. Dealing With Difficult Social Situations
- Talkative/Interruptive People: Sometimes, the answer is to exit (“announce what you’re going to do next”), sometimes to artfully steer to values, sometimes to compassionately listen and draw out their deeper need.
- (Strategies for ending or redirecting off-topic, draining conversations, 59:25–66:54)
10. Business, Friendship, and Negotiation Lessons
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Business Partnership Lessons:
Open, honest (even if conflict-laden) conversations early on are better than avoiding conflict. Avoiding tough talks only deepens later divides.- (Story of buying out his co-founder, negotiation tactics, and emotional undercurrents, 93:36–100:58)
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Valuing Work: The “I’ll buy from you / you buy from me” negotiation tactic to approach true market value.
- (Charlie, 97:38)
11. Social Anxiety and Practice
- Exposure With Safety: Charlie advocates improv or stand-up classes as accelerators to build presence and confidence (“best way to get better at speaking, flirting, interviews, friends”), but even small steps—like continually interacting with strangers—are game changers.
- Improv Games: Role-playing and spontaneous storytelling help break the “I’m being weird” mindset.
12. Modern Life: Technology vs. Social Skills
- Risks of Automation & AI: Less need for social contact may lead to “rusty” social skills and lower personal fulfillment—even as ordering, dating, and working become more virtual.
- (See 56:40–59:04 for discussion on the loss of opportunities to practice and its consequences)
13. Controversial and Fun Charisma Examples
- Suspenders Story: “Peacocking” by wearing something distinctive (like suspenders) as a conversation starter; it works due to sheer noticability, despite skepticism from others.
- Canned Pickup Lines: Their main function is as a “training wheel”; true charisma eventually drops them for genuine, playful engagement.
14. Financial Philosophy
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On Quirky Money Choices: Charlie discusses shunning traditional retirement accounts, preferring to bet on himself and his business, even at a mathematical loss out of principle and personal motivation.
- (Debate with Graham and Jack about cashing out a 401k, 103:46–114:28)
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Emotional Side of Money: Financial decisions are rarely about pure math—emotional reasoning and self-alignment matter.
15. Tier List Segment: Charismatic People & Traits (1:20:33+)
Charlie ranks various figures and attributes by “charisma power.”
- S-Tier: Donald Trump, Andrew Tate, Fame, Humor.
- D-Tier: Name dropping.
- F-Tier: Mystique (overrated), Never apologizing (despite its effectiveness for some).
(Full rundown from 1:20:33+)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Conviction:
“It is the degree to which you believe and can sub communicate with your tone, your body language, that you are internally aligned with the things you’re saying.” (Charlie, 00:30) -
On First Impressions:
"It’s the gate that... determines if the inner goods ever get exposure." (Charlie, 73:09) -
On Vulnerability:
"If I wasn’t doing good...I think it’s very charismatic to lead with some vulnerability in those closer relationships." (Charlie, 18:12) -
On Peacocking:
“Suspenders reliably would have women come up and just...snap them. All the dudes would roll their eyes, and it just works.” (Charlie, 80:43) -
On Negotiation:
“When he did that and he looked at it and he really went... and he sat on the other side of the table ...I’ll pay you 20% more than that and we can close.” (Charlie, 98:55) -
On Charisma vs. Confidence:
"Confidence is about an internal sense of alignment. And charisma is how that internal alignment translates both internally and to the people that are experiencing you." (Charlie, 15:02)
Timestamps for Key Segments
- Introduction of Charisma & Conviction: 00:30–01:23
- Defining Charisma, Charismatic Examples: 02:16–04:08
- Practical First Impressions/Preparation: 15:33–22:03
- Body Language, Eye Contact: 25:26–28:31
- Authenticity vs. Contrived Enthusiasm Debate: 36:54–39:18
- Business Negotiation & Partnership Lessons: 93:36–100:58
- Improv & Social Anxiety Advice: 48:43–55:43
- Modern Tech’s Impact on Social Skills: 56:40–59:08
- Tier List (People & Traits): 1:20:33–1:32:57
Tone & Style
The discussion is open, humorous, and self-revealing, blending practical advice with philosophical depth. Graham and Jack balance Charlie’s insights with playful challenges, personal anecdotes, and classic Iced Coffee Hour quips.
For Those Who Haven’t Listened
This episode will reshape how you view charisma—not as a fixed trait, but as a practiced, ever-evolving blend of internal conviction and social awareness. It’s honest, actionable, and richly detailed, blending psychology, business, and real-world stories. If you want to be seen, heard, and trusted—or just want to not suck in elevators—this episode is a must.