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“Harder Than A 9-5 Job!” Stable Ronaldo on Making $400,000/Month & Losing Everything
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Ronaldo
Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a four litre jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping. Oh, come on. They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip.
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Jack
Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.
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Ronaldo
Whatever. You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia made to travel. Failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I think you have to lose everything to gain everything. Today I'm building a 1 of 1 GT3RS. People are like streaming isn't harder than a 9 to 5. When I was playing video games, having fun, it wasn't overnight. I spent four years making no money. Like I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. It's all luck at the end of the day to an extent, but it's also the grind. Like you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing.
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Graham
So when did you first start making real money?
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Ronaldo
Then? Right after I won that tournament. It was quickly where I was making like a million in a year. Like it was like off the bat. Mess me up. Are you crazy?
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Jack
How do you come up with all these ideas?
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Ronaldo
Every second that you're not trying to one up yourself, there's someone out there in the world that's doing that.
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Graham
So what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made?
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Ronaldo
My cat. Huh? He made me millions of dollars. No, he made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. How would he bite? No, he's, he's just NER did Faze.
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Graham
Kick out a bunch of members. Ronaldo, thank you so much for coming on the iced coffee hour. Really appreciate it. What car did you pull up here in?
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Ronaldo
An Uber.
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Graham
An Uber?
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Ronaldo
Yes.
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Graham
You were expecting you to pull up in some like crazy supercar?
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Ronaldo
That was the first thing you told me.
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Jack
Yeah. I thought you're gonna be driving the Porsche.
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Ronaldo
If you, if, if I came in the Porsche, you would have heard it. I'm talking about I have the loudest Porsche.
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Jack
You modified it?
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Ronaldo
Yeah.
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Jack
What do you do to it?
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Ronaldo
So I put like a twenty thousand dollar exhaust onto it. It's like my friend, he works at R1 and he put like this crazy exhaust, but it's like the loudest one in California. I'll take the full credit for that. I don't care.
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Jack
Do you not get pulled over?
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Ronaldo
No. It's a new. It's registered in New Jersey. I flew in from New Jersey. Every time I get pulled over. No, I came for the weekend.
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Graham
Are you nervous saying that?
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Ronaldo
Like here on what are you talking about?
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Graham
Being posted online.
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Ronaldo
There's no way to prove it. I came here for the weekend.
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Graham
Why do you like cars?
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Ronaldo
It's my form of therapy. I think other people like have different forms of therapy and personally like when I started getting into cars, I just, I fell in love with it. I fell in love with like the culture and then like driving is just fun to me. Like some people I, I don't know. What do you like? What do you like to do?
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Graham
Pickleball.
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Ronaldo
Yeah, see I could never do pickleball. Like pickleball is athletic. I run out of breath.
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Jack
So I get the appeal. With cars that used to be my therapy. I used to have a Lotus Elise and then upgraded to a Lotus Exige. This is years ago, but I used to take it down Sunset through the Malibu Canyons.
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Ronaldo
That's where I go.
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Graham
Yeah, he's being humble. He has a 4 GT as well.
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Jack
Yeah, this was years ago.
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Ronaldo
Oh my God. Wait now talk to me. What other cars do you have?
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Jack
2010 Tesla Roadster. So it's like the OG Tesla Roadster and then a Lotus Aora GTC.
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Ronaldo
Oh my God. Oh, so he makes money. Money.
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Jack
No, no.
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Graham
So he justifies it cuz he tries to buy the cars that will go up in value.
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Ronaldo
He's like, that's what everyone says.
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Graham
Finance max. Well how much did you pay for the 4 GT?
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Ronaldo
Paid 306 for buy it. What year that was?
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Jack
20, 21. Now it's probably worth about 425. 430, give or take. So I, I've made 50%.
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Ronaldo
How many owning the for drive it? Cuz I drive my. That's the thing.
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Graham
He was even hesitant to drive it to get his marriage license signed. Like he was like do I do it Jack? It's down on the Vegas strip. Like I'm, I'm concerned about that.
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Ronaldo
See, I buy cars to drive a Melissa thing like I've had. My first car was like a Tesla Model X. That was like when I was like 17, that was my first car. And then I had a Audi RSQ8 and then I drove the shit out of that. Almost broke it. And then I bought a Porsche and then a BMW and then the Porsche GT3 RS and then a Mercedes.
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Jack
So I heard on a podcast that you say you like to spend 10% or less of your income on cars.
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Ronaldo
Oh, okay.
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Jack
Where did that Come up.
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Ronaldo
So I've always known, like, the rule of thumb is if, like, if you make like $1,000, you shouldn't spend more than like $100. You know what I'm saying? $10,000. You shouldn't spend 1,000. Do like, you could always spend more. It doesn't matter. But the way I view it is, like, if I make like $50,000 in a month, like, I shouldn't be spending more than like 5 to 10,000amonth on a car, whether that be like financing, leasing, but that comes with like, because you also have gas, you also have insurance, you also have all that. So I kind of added it all together in like one. That's kind of how I am. Because how many car.
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Graham
Or is that just fun expenses in general?
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Ronaldo
It's kind of a mixture. The thing is, I cut a lot of my expenses. Like, like when I was like, I would say relevant to like the last year and a half, like, when my stuff started to really, like, elevate, like, my career. When I started making like hundreds of thousands a month, it was more or less like, I stopped buying a lot of. But I used to buy like, a lot. Like, I used to spend like 30, $40,000 a month on, like, clothes.
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Jack
Serious?
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Ronaldo
Yeah. How.
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Jack
How do you spend $40,000 when you buy.
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Ronaldo
You have an Amex is just, it's.
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Jack
I know you have to pay the bill.
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Ronaldo
I know.
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Graham
Wear the clothes.
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Ronaldo
Like, but the thing is, I stopped, like, I swear this shirt I bought like two years ago.
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Jack
Yeah, but walk us back, though. What would you spend 40,000 dol month on?
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Ronaldo
I mean, food, clothes, gifts. I'm a gift giver. I like buying for other people.
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Graham
Yeah, but I mean, I buy food, I buy clothes.
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Ronaldo
Occasionally you, you, you go into Cartier and my girlfriend wants a matching ring. I'm like, okay, it. Let's get matching rings. It's $10,000 for both rings. So it's like, I don't do that no more.
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Jack
Yeah, but at the time, what was the logic behind it? Were you just not worried about money or was it just you knew you're going to make more soon?
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Ronaldo
Honestly, that's a good question. I feel like I was never worried about money, not just because I had money. I just always knew that I could figure out a way to get money. And that goes back to, like, when I was younger. Like when I was like, 15. Like, I was figuring out ways to make money. Like, I just, I said, you know, so you. I regret it. I regret spending that much money. Like, I Don't. I don't do anywhere close to that no more.
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Graham
You knew you were going to be successful at a young age.
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Ronaldo
Yeah.
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Graham
And how did you have that confidence if you had no evidence for the confidence?
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Ronaldo
Well, when I was in school, I was like, okay, I can't do anything in life. I'm not smart enough. I had a 2.1 GPA in high school. I had about 500. No exaggeration. I think it was like 400 or. I don't know. It was like, in the hundreds of missing assignments for. Because I graduated Covid year but I was still in school. And like, I don't know. But I knew I wasn't going to go to school. I was like, it's impossible. I couldn't get into college. There's no way. My mom didn't think I was going to get to college, but she didn't care. Um, but I knew I was going to be successful in some because, like, I used to flip, like, supreme and, like, sneakers and like, all this, and I would have, like, 300 and I turn into, like, 5,000 in, like, two weeks.
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Jack
So you like making money?
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Ronaldo
Yeah, I used to do that when I was like, 15. Like, I was flipping shoes for, like, yeezys and all that. Like, I was figuring out ways to get, like, a bundle of yeezys.
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Jack
How do you learn how to do that?
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Ronaldo
Boredom.
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Graham
So that was your evidence that you could be successful later in the day?
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Ronaldo
I just knew I could figure out a way to make money. That's. That's how my mom was too. Like, she, like. I just knew I could make money somehow. And I got lucky, though, with the Internet. I'll be honest.
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Graham
Do you think that you need to be smart to be a good streamer? No, but it doesn't. Doesn't it involve, like, building a business? Like. No, it is a business to make money. It's for entrepreneurial.
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Ronaldo
You.
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Graham
I feel like you have to be some sort of intelligent.
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Ronaldo
I would say there's different levels of intelligence. There's book smart. There's like, street smart. There's like, you know, you could be business smart. Like, and. And I think business smart is different from, like, book smart because it's like, anyone can, like, like, there's different. Like, I'm sure you might be able to figure out math equations better than me or something like that, and then I might figure out something different. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think school, though, it's like, I didn't learn a single thing that helped me. Now at All.
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Jack
I felt the exact same way. I think I had worse crazy than you, too, in school, dude.
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Ronaldo
I. I genuinely. No exaggeration. I don't remember a single thing from school.
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Graham
So you think some streamers then, are kind of dumb?
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Ronaldo
I think most streamers are kind of dumb, but there's different dumbs. Like, it's the same thing. It's like, there's streamers that are probably dumber than me, that make more money or figure out ways to make better content. Like, there's. There's levels to a lot of things, but I definitely think. I'm not. Like, I don't take myself for an idiot, but, like, when it comes to, like, books and, like, you know, like, school stuff, like, and all that. Yeah, I'm not. I couldn't tell you.
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Graham
I think some people are a little too smart for their own good, and they tend to overthink things, which then leads them to have, like, analysis paralysis. And they don't even move. They don't have action because they're thinking about all the negative potential consequences of going out and trying something.
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Ronaldo
Well, that's. That's. That's like a big thing. It's like, a lot. I feel like a lot of people, not just streamers and including myself, like, they're scared to fail. And I feel like that's, like, one of the most things that I found success in. Like, when I failed, a lot of times, it's where I found my peaks. Like, when I first started streaming, I streamed for, like, three years, and I had, like, two viewers. I was playing video games, like, when I was 16, when I. When I was flipping clothes and all that. And I didn't find success in it, but I kept doing it. And then I finally found a win where I was a competitive gamer for Fortnite, and I won a tournament, and that's how I made, like, my first bundle of money. And then that's when I started having viewership. Covid came in, I had viewership, then I lost it all. And that's where I failed again. Like, I. It's like a crazy story. It's. Yeah, it goes in detail, but, like, when I failed again, I, like, people were telling me, like, oh, like, I peaked or whatever. Like, because you know how the Internet is. Once you peak, some people just forget about you. That's it. But when I failed again, I was like, okay, I want to. I had the drive to keep going again. That's how I'm peaking now, you know?
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Jack
So it's like, how'd you get so good at video games.
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Ronaldo
I've always been good at video games. How?
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Jack
Because a lot of people, like, play video games, and I'll argue they're wasting their time. Like, they could be doing anything else productive. So why did you do video games? Get good at it and make, like, hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm really honest.
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Graham
Hundreds of thousands, right? It was in turns, man.
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Ronaldo
Yeah.
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Jack
No, no.
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Ronaldo
From video games. From video games. Video games. I get it. Yeah. From video games.
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Jack
200 grand.
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Ronaldo
So when I first started playing video games, I started playing, like, Call of Duty, and, like, I was blowing people out of the, like, my age. Like, everyone was just. No, but I was really, like, really, like, advanced for my age. Like, everyone always says, like, oh, I could have gone pro. And cod, like, all the. All kids say that. Like, they're like, oh, I'm so good at Call of Duty or whatever. But, like, I was really good. I was better at games than other people. I like, even to this day, you know, like, Phase Adapt. I don't know if y' all know who that is. He was a Call of Duty pro, basically, with Quickscope, and I beat him still to this day. Right. I'm better than him at video games, and I'll always be better than.
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Graham
So it's just a natural talent.
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Ronaldo
Natural talent, yeah.
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Graham
But you think most people that play video games are probably just burning time, basically?
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Ronaldo
Yeah. It's hard to say because I have, like, friends in real life, and I watch them play video games, and I'm like, oh, okay. Like, you look like you have no clue what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, certain people, I think, don't have it, and they want it, but they can't get it. But I don't know. Like, competitive is a whole different story. Like, playing casually and competitive is, like, crazy difference. Like when you were saying, like, the 200,000 when I won. Yeah.
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Jack
Like, explain that, by the way, for people that.
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Ronaldo
So I won a tournament back in 2019. I want to say 2019 in December. It was called FNCS. It's like Fortnite basically has this competitive series that they do. Fortnite. Competitive series. I think it's what it's called FNCs. And every single, like, three months, they host, like, a big tournament where millions of people can try to qualify to win hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. They're actually doing one this weekend for, like, $2 million. I don't play anymore. But, um. And I was. It was like one of the first FNCS's. And I was really good and I had a team with me and there was like millions of people who tried to qualify. And only I think it was. I think it was like 20 teams of four. So the, the format was like four people in one group, and there was 20 teams or something like that, or 25 teams, like a hundred players total. And we ended up qualifying for it. So, like top 100 out of like millions. And then when, when it's the top 100, it's obviously the best of the best. And then we won that tournament. And that was like, it was like $200,000 split for four people.
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Graham
And that was your first real grasp at like, attention online because you were streaming beforehand. But after this event and winning the event, obviously people are going to be wondering, like, who are these people that won the event? And then maybe your viewership started to go up a little bit.
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Ronaldo
Oh, yeah. Like, that was my boost and everything. That was like before COVID too. So like, it kind of like it was like a butterfly effect. Like, once I won that, the Internet, like found out who I was. I started averaging like 100 viewers.
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Graham
How much do you make when you aver 100 viewers on Twitch?
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Ronaldo
So it's funny, I was making like, it depends. It's all based on hours. So, like, if you stream like a hundred hours with a hundred viewers, you could probably make around like three to $4,000 a month, $5,000 a month, which is amazing.
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Graham
So 100 hours in a month.
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Ronaldo
Yeah.
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Graham
So that's. That's like. What's that wage then? That's like what, 30. 30 bucks an hour? 40 bucks an hour. So you should just do that like eight hours every single day like a normal job. And you'd be making 70, 80.
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Ronaldo
But it's crazy because it was so funny. I got offered by Facebook when I was averaging 100 viewers. It was like right when I started becoming a thing. They offered me like 17k a month at like 17 or 18, however old I was. And it was like, I don't know how much that is a year of someone to the math books.
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Jack
About 200 something grand.
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Ronaldo
Book smart. Yeah. 200 something thousand dollars a year. Like 17. And this is before I knew I could. I was going to make money. But I remember I was talking to my mom. I. I declined it. And I wasn't even making 17k a month at that time. I was just like, there's just better opportunities. But yeah, it was crazy because that would have never. I Would have never been here.
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Graham
So they wanted you to go to exclusive on Facebook.
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Ronaldo
They wanted to take me to Facebook for 17k a month. And I was like, no, I wasn't even making like one fourth of that, but I was just like, I don't know. I had a feeling that I could do something better.
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Graham
So when did you first start making real money then?
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Ronaldo
What's real money like.
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Graham
Like, to the point of, you know, probably like 100k. Like, I mean, well, 100k a year, but I'm also gonna sound completely like real money because that's 100k a year still is, like, insane. But I'm just saying, in terms of. In terms of like, in terms of streaming, changed clips, of people saying, oh, yeah, making like 200k a month or 100k a month.
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Jack
When.
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Graham
When did you start making, like, a couple hundred grand a year? When did. When did it really take off?
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Ronaldo
I would honestly say right after I won that tournament, when I started to get exposure, I started to stream way more. And streaming is, like, quick. So it's like people come in and they leave. They might never come ever again. So it's like. But Covid happened as soon as that happened as soon as I won. And that's where, like, everyone was on the Internet. That's where everyone was on Twitch. I honestly started seeing hundreds of thousands almost instantly after I won that. It was like, very quick because it was like I had months where I was making 30,000 right after that. Then it was like 40,000. Then it'd be like 30,000, and then it'd be like 60,000. And then you get to quarter three, quarter four of the year, and it's like 70,000amonth, 80,000amonth. And I remember Christmas, it was like 110. And then this is before sponsors. Like, it was. It was quickly where I was making, like a million in a year. Like, it was like, off the bat almost. And that's where I was like. I feel like it was like a blessing in disguise. What was not taking that Facebook deal because it was like, almost instantly after there.
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Graham
But I imagine going from someone that wasn't earning that much when, you know, you were in your teens and whatnot.
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Ronaldo
I had really good graphs of money, and I think that has to do with my family. Like, my mom, because I. I've seen my mom, like, work multiple jobs for me and try to put up, like, food on the table, etc, so, like, I never was the type to, like, spend. Like, when I first got. When I got my first check, the $50,000 that I won from the 200. I offered it to her. I actually wrote her a letter and tried giving it to her. She declined it. And then I upgraded my computer so I could play better and stream better. But I did buy off white Jordan ones. That was my first.
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Graham
How much do those cost?
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Ronaldo
Those were like 3,000 at the time, but I still have them. Those were like my trophy. That was the only stupid thing I bought when I first made money. But everything else I kept. Like, I remember seeing in my bank, I'd look at my bank and be like, yo, this has $47,000. And I'm like, yeah. I'm like 17. I'm like, oh, man.
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Jack
What about taxes? You thinking about taxes? Filing how you.
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Ronaldo
At first I wasn't. Because I was like, $40,000. I was like. I was like, I'm gonna try to skip taxes. Low key. I did. I did pay my tax. I pay my taxes. I pay my taxes. Everything. I paid more than what I owe just because I love the government. So I made the $50,000. And when I made the $50,000, I would look at it, but I would never spend it. Like, I'd always just let it sit. Like, I've always liked seeing money in my bank, which is stupid, by the way. You shouldn't have money in your bank.
- [16:33]
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Ronaldo
By the way, you shouldn't have money in your bank, but I would always like seeing it. And then when like I started seeing like $50,000 come in, like $100,000 come in, etc, I would just. I. I literally never spent money. The. The only thing I bought as soon as I made, I think it was $300,000, which took me like four months, five months. I. I bought the house that my mom was living in. I paid it off and now I just let her have it. So basically. But that house right now is from $300,000. Now it's worth like half a million dollars. So, yeah, when I'm ready to kick her out now.
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Jack
When I was doing research for this, I've seen a lot of these videos. Like the rise and fall.
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Ronaldo
Yeah.
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Jack
And then the rise back up again. What's it like having those videos made?
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Ronaldo
Oh, I mean, do you watch them? I. If you know my story, like, this could be like a 30 minute. Just talk of just my story. I. A lot of people, I feel like, respect me a little bit more than like a lot of people, only because I was like really high up. Like, I peaked like crazy during COVID Like, everyone knew me on Fortnite. Everyone knew me on Twitch. A sense like they just knew who I was. And I was seeing numbers that I never seen before. Like, people were talking about me like, yo, this guy's the new xqc, the new biggest streamer, whatever it is. Because I was averaging like 30,000 viewers out of nowhere. Then it'd be like 60,000. That'd be like 70,000, which is insane on Twitch. That's like top 00001. That's like top five on Twitch basically at the time. And then it just slowly started to decline over time when Covid went away, when Fortnite became less big. And I also lost like hope in playing the game. Like, I got bored, I got depressed, etc. I had a lot of happen to me in life. And that's kind of where it like flatlined. And there's a website, if you go, it's called Twitch Tracker. You can literally see it if you want. And if you type my Name. And you could see the line go up and then down like crazy. And then it went back up again because I was like, I gotta get up. You know what I'm saying?
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Graham
But then how are you okay making, you know, like, I'm guessing when you're averaging 60, 60,000 viewers, like, you could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month.
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Ronaldo
Oh, you do? Yeah.
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Graham
And then you see that decline and then you see revenue.
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Ronaldo
I went from making around, I could probably, if I had a laptop, I could literally pull it up and show you. I went from making, I would say an average of like 60 to like 120,000amonth just on Twitch for like a good year and a half. And then right as it started to decline, it went from like 60 to 40 grand a month, then 20 grand a month, then 10 grand a month, and then 2. Like, I had a month where I made 2 grand a month. Like, I just.
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Graham
How are you okay seeing those numbers?
- [20:13]
Ronaldo
So I was, I wasn't, I was, I was spending around. I, I lived in LA at the time alone, and obviously my numbers go down. Friends stop hitting you up. Certain people, like, friends I thought I had, like, you know, aren't my real friends. Family, like, different type of thing, past relationships, you know what I'm saying? There was a lot that happened, but I lived alone and I had my, my rent, my rent was like 5, 000amonth at the time. Talaria, by the way, in Burbank, that place is $5,000 a month. And I lived in a little square it ever. I love living there. Low key, but it was not worth it. But I was paying like 5,000amonth. And then my expenses, like when I, I would go shopping, I'd get depressed. Shopping, people do that or like buy food or whatever. I was spending more than I was making a month. So I was noticing a decline in my bank, like really quick. And at the time, I don't want to sound like out of touch, but like at the time I had like 100, like 60 grand, 200 grand in my bank, but I was losing like 10 to 20 grand a month.
- [21:15]
Jack
So you see it just running.
- [21:16]
Ronaldo
So I was really, I was running out. Which, by the way, I know that's a lot of money. That's, that's, that's a lot of money. It's my fault. I lost the money. I. Whatever, right? However this gets cut up and they're like, oh, be grateful. But no, I would see money. I would see money start to go down and I'm like, I have texts with my mom. I was like, I'm. I was like, I don't know what to do. And then I literally just stopped spending money at all. And I lived off like 160 grand. I barely moved anything for like four months. And then I was like, like, it. I gotta stream again. I gotta do this again. And I found love in streaming, though. It was really fun. I. I truly. Like. It sounds corny, cliche, but, like, genuinely, like, I never did it for money. Like, I genuinely liked streaming. That was the craziest part, because I always wanted to be an online entertainer. So when I had the opportunity for it, I was like, oh, this is amazing. This is everything I ever wanted. That's why I. I really don't look about how much money I make now. I know how much money I make now, but, like, I don't. It doesn't phase me no more. Like, you'll have. People will go crazy if, like, you make a hundred grand a month and the next month you make 90. Oh, I failed. You know what I'm saying? Cause it's like, how did I not reach the same level? I don't care about.
- [22:18]
Jack
How do you make sure you're not overspending?
- [22:21]
Ronaldo
I don't buy. I don't buy a lot of stuff.
- [22:22]
Jack
So your default is don't spend it.
- [22:24]
Ronaldo
Oh, I don't. I don't buy a lot.
- [22:25]
Graham
How much do you think you personally spend per month?
- [22:27]
Ronaldo
Oh, I know how much I spend. I have my amex. I like.
- [22:30]
Graham
How much do you spend?
- [22:31]
Ronaldo
Last month I spent 10,000 on my Amex, which is a lot. Yes, it's a lot.
- [22:35]
Jack
That's actually not that bad. Are we talking about for, like, business expenses too?
- [22:39]
Ronaldo
So. Yeah, not with business expenses, but like, I don't really count this because it's price right off. But like, so my employees, I have someone who. Who gets paid around like 5,000. I have my YouTube editor who takes, I think it's like 30% of my YouTube because he does the thumbnails, he does the editing, he does the posting, he finds the whatever it is. I have my TikTok person who takes around, like, I think it's like 40% of my TikTok because I just let him have it because it makes good money and then I pay him on top of that. But business expenses, not including the percent. I only spend like 10k a month on, like, employees too. So it's like, if I have 10k a employees 10k a month, that's $20,000.
- [23:16]
Graham
Yeah, that's light compared to how much you're making.
- [23:18]
Ronaldo
Yeah, well, yeah, I would say so. And it's. But it's also like tax related, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it is, it's, it's going.
- [23:24]
Jack
To help you make more money.
- [23:26]
Graham
We spend more than that on business expenses for the iced coffee hour per month.
- [23:29]
Ronaldo
Oh, yeah, Way more.
- [23:30]
Jack
Oh, my gosh. Each episode when we, like, break down the cost to produce, it's way higher. And had you told me this like five years ago, I'd be like, dude, don't. Let's not do it.
- [23:38]
Ronaldo
The thing is, there's certain days or there's certain months where, like, investing into content too. Like, I, I, I use that on my Amex. But like, most of that money, the 10,000amonth, is from my content. Like, I really don't buy clothes at all. Like, I don't. Or I don't buy jewelry. I don't buy none of that stuff. But the $10,000, like, for instance, like a good example is I just did this Elden Ring thing. I don't know if you guys know Elden Ring is. I played it last month and I spent around like 30 to 40,000. No, I think it was 30,000 on building the set where I did only a white room where I couldn't leave the room. It was just white where I couldn't leave the room until I beat Elden Ring. And, And I put $30,000 into that, which is. People will be like, oh, you're investing $30,000 into content? That's kind of crazy. But the return was like 80 to $90,000. So I tripled for what I put in. So it's like, it pays off for, like, what you do.
- [24:23]
Jack
How do you come up with all these ideas? I gotta say, I, I feel like streaming is one of the hardest things.
- [24:30]
Ronaldo
When it comes to. Thank you. No, it's harder than a 9 to 5. Thank you.
- [24:33]
Jack
I used to go live once a week years ago, and it was tough to be live for an audience and constantly have to be on. And that was for like an hour and a half. I like this.
- [24:43]
Ronaldo
I like this. A lot of respect, because anyone can. The, the argument is, by the way, you can make this into a funny clip however you want because I'm serious about this too. People are like, streaming isn't harder than a 9 to 5. There's different ways. By the way, I'm telling you, he might be giggling about it. I'm telling you, it is hard. And I give Credit to people because I want to see people do it. People are like, oh, I could become a streamer. So do it. So become a streamer.
- [25:10]
Jack
Okay, so I'm going to make the argument that streaming is harder than a 9 to 5 because if you're not at the top of your game every.
- [25:16]
Ronaldo
Single minute, it's your entire career falls off every second.
- [25:21]
Jack
A nine to five you could technically skirt by doing the bare minimum. If you did that on streaming, no.
- [25:25]
Ronaldo
One would want argument people have when they say 9 to 5 is, is harder or easier or yeah, when they say streaming is easier than 9 to 5, the only argument is like, oh, I see what you do on stream. I could do that too. But how did I get to this point? How did I get to this point?
- [25:39]
Jack
I recommend anybody do that when they say like, oh, YouTube videos are so easy. Absolutely. 100. I recommend doing it easy.
- [25:45]
Ronaldo
Do it. It's free. You could, I could, you could literally start a stream right now.
- [25:48]
Jack
Here, here's where the argument turns though is when they say a 9 to 5 is hard relative to how much you make. And so when you look at like the hour to hour that you get, it's like, well, yeah, I would do that if I was making millions of dollars.
- [26:01]
Ronaldo
Yeah, for sure. But also the people that say that they would do it if they got paid millions, they don't understand like there's always comparisons are like, oh, do you not understand a 9 to 5? You're not, you're not making as much money and like how can you be sad as a millionaire? Is the argument always or whatever. It's like that. But it's like when you're in the position, you understand the position more similar to a 9 to 5. It's like if I was working a 9 to 5, I would understand the position more. So people who say people who work nine to fives or whatever.
- [26:27]
Graham
Which by the way, that has never streamed.
- [26:28]
Ronaldo
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's no shame in working. Sorry for the saying the slur a job. There's, you know, I'm saying like, is that, is that a slur? I don't know.
- [26:36]
Jack
We don't say that word here.
- [26:39]
Ronaldo
No, but seriously, anyone who works a job there's like it. I would understand their position if I work their job the same way. They have no input on my position because they've never worked my job to my level. It's the same thing. It's like if, if, if I, if they want me, if people want me to Respect a nine to five which I do. They have to respect what I do. That's the thing is they, they, they don't. They see entertainers as like puppets or it's like it's easy etc. It's like it's not, it's not easy like to get to your guys position how you built your podcast, it wasn't overnight, you know what I'm saying? Same thing with me when I was playing video games, having fun. It wasn't overnight. I spent four years making no money. Like I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. But like most people they'll be like oh year one I don't make money, oh should I quit? Year two I don't make money, oh I'm done. You know I'm saying it's the, it's the meme of the guy with the diamond pickaxe in the mind, you know what I'm saying? He's right, he's right there.
- [27:28]
Jack
It's like so how do you come up with ideas? Because the difficulty with streaming that I've noticed is you have to keep like one upping yourself and if you, if you elevate the problem, you stay there then people get bored.
- [27:38]
Ronaldo
The problem is there's people doing it right now as I speak. They're trying to one up me right now. Whether they're small, whether they're big, they want, they're it. The saying is there's not like a saying but it's like I guess like a good way of examining camp. Like an example of this is like when you look at YouTubers back in the day, they're inspiring like kids, right? Like Roman Atwood, he's inspired. A great example is literally Kaiser Nat right now. So he just Kaisen that just had Roman Atwood. But Roman Atwood made vlogs for entertainment, right? He didn't realize he was entertaining Kaisernan that's what he was talking about. And now look where Kaisen at is someone who was chasing that. Like right now there's someone who probably watches me who wants to be better than me, you know what I'm saying? Like not they don't want to be better me in a way like oh I want to be better than Ron. But they're like they want to be a YouTuber, they want to be a streamer and they, and realistically there's probably going to be someone that's more successful than me, who watches me or who knows who I am. So it's like every second that you're not trying to one up yourself. There's someone out there in the world that's doing that.
- [28:30]
Jack
So how do you come up with ideas, dude?
- [28:33]
Ronaldo
I mean, it's really just reformatting, like, other people's ideas. I wouldn't. I'm not going to sit here and say I'm super creative, but, like, I. I do think that's how the Internet is now. I feel like everyone has done a lot of things and it's just reformatting it in your own ways. And I think that's the whole point of entertainment is like, people are like, oh, you steal content or you copy content? Like, when I did Elden Ring, people were like, oh, XQC has done this. Kaisenat has done this, or whatever. You just stole their idea because it did good. I was like, in a way, I was like, yeah, it does good on the Internet. Like, I got inspired, right? People don't like to use that word, inspired, because they don't believe in that. You know what I'm saying? They think it's just, I copy, I copy, copy, copy. But then I was like, okay, I had this idea with one of my business people who, when I was saying, like, my employees who helps me with ideas, he basically plans my whole month. But we had an idea where that we wanted to stream in a white room where I literally didn't read my chat. I didn't have my phone for five days. I didn't know what time it was, and literally was gonna be nothing. Like, I'm talking, like, it literally would have just been like a surveillance cam of just nothing for five days, just me sitting in the room. And then I thought about. I was like, why don't I play Elden Ring in the white room? And I can't leave it until I be Elden Ring. And I. And I look on, like, YouTube. I look on places. No one's ever done that. So it was like my own spin off. And I think that's where I found success in that. You know, like nobody, nobody it, but, like, creating ideas. I feel like it. I don't know. It's like, how did you guys create a podcast? Like, there was podcast before. You know what I'm saying? It's like you. You have to create your own spin off it. Like, whether it be like, talking about finances or talking about, like, things that people don't get to see, you know, it's like questions like that. But I. I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm the most creative, but I'm definitely creative in a sense that, like, anything gets put in front of me, like, I can turn into something, you know, now. So I don't know if that answers your question.
- [30:21]
Graham
Yeah, I'm also curious. We. We spoke about, you know, expenses and then how you're reinvesting back into things. We spoke about cars. Another thing is watches, because we did see that you wore a. In your engagement photo. You're wearing ap Royal oak skeleton.
- [30:36]
Ronaldo
Not actually engaged.
- [30:38]
Graham
Well, yeah, I don't see it.
- [30:39]
Ronaldo
It was a promise ring. I forgot to wear it. I'm not gonna lie.
- [30:41]
Graham
I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see a ring there. I'm curious. Is it real?
- [30:45]
Ronaldo
Yes. How much is that? So that watch, I believe, is around, like 120, 130. It's a 38 millimeter, I believe. I could be wrong. I think it's 38 or 39. I forget. But I have all the boxes. I have all the papers. How'd you get it? I actually got it certificated or whatever from ap, because I went there.
- [31:07]
Jack
Yeah.
- [31:07]
Ronaldo
Where'd you buy it? Through a friend. His name's Zombs. He sells watches to, like, streamers. He sells watches, like, xqc sells watches to all these people. He's very legit. He gets all of his watches from the places, and he gives good deals. But, yeah, it was 120,000, 130,000. But I don't really wear it that much because I'm scared to wear it. But I have insurance on it, so if anyone wants to come rob me, go ahead, take it off my wrist. I have insurance.
- [31:30]
Jack
Why buy that one? Are you big into watching?
- [31:34]
Ronaldo
I always wanted an ap. Okay. And then I always wanted the. Obviously, the open work, like, the skeleton look. And I love rose gold. I think it's good with my skin. And I remember one day I actually have a picture, I think I tweeted before where one of my friends let me wear his. And I was like. But I told myself that whenever I buy my first watch or not my first watch, but I told myself whenever I buy my first ap, I want it to be that one. And I want it to be like, during a special event. And that was. I bought that watch after last year, actually, funny enough, literally today, basically, like 30. It was, like, in October around. But we we, streamed, you know, Faze clan. We we streamed 30 days straight, 247 last September, which would be right now. And then after that, I found so much success in that. I was like, you know what, bro? I'M just gonna buy my dream watch.
- [32:20]
Graham
So how much money do you spend.
- [32:21]
Ronaldo
On watches right now? I have the Batgirl Rolex 2025. That was a gift from Los Polos. Shout out to Los Polos. I beat him in a 1v1 on Fortnite for it. I gave him 99 kill leads where he had 90. He had to kill me once. I had to come 100 times. I beat him. So he gave me that. Steve will do it. Gave me the Rolex, Starbucks, the green dial one I had. I don't remember I have a Rolex. I forget which one that clicks bought me. It's just like a datejust I believe. And then I also have a Cartier. I get gifted a lot of watches. I have a Cartier skeleton. It's the black Santos black one that was gifted to me by Jason, my friend and faze clan. And then I bought my mom an ap. It's a white. I forget what it was. It's like 36 millimeter. It's like a white face. I, I don't know what it is, but it was like 30 something thousand dollars I bought for that. And then I bought my watch.
- [33:21]
Jack
So that's a solid collection.
- [33:23]
Ronaldo
Yeah.
- [33:24]
Jack
You need to patek, though.
- [33:25]
Ronaldo
I know. I've, I've recently started to get into them because I saw someone wear and I was like, I didn't really understand them. I thought they were like. I was like looking at them, I'm.
- [33:32]
Jack
Like, I'm like, bro, they look pretty plain.
- [33:35]
Ronaldo
Yeah, I was gonna say they look plain, but I, I like it. It's like a pie, a status piece. Like, you pull it out. It's like, okay, it.
- [33:40]
Graham
If someone paid you $100,000 for one year to only wear an Apple Watch 24 7, would you?
- [33:46]
Ronaldo
Yes.
- [33:46]
Graham
What about $500,000 for one year to only ever drive a Toyota Prius?
- [33:51]
Ronaldo
Can I drive my car for fun on the weekend?
- [33:53]
Jack
No, just.
- [33:54]
Graham
You can only drive a Toyota Prius for $500,000 a year. Would you do it?
- [33:59]
Ronaldo
Yes, I would do it. Why not? A car is a car. Car gets you from point A to point B.
- [34:04]
Jack
Because you love cars.
- [34:05]
Ronaldo
I do love cars, but I also.
- [34:07]
Graham
Would you do it for 100 grand?
- [34:09]
Ronaldo
No. There we go. There we go. No, I, I, I, I, I honestly think, like, that's actually a good point. Like, funny enough, like joking around with that, but, like going into a point like, when I bought my car, I. People are like, oh, you bought a car to be flash. You bought a car to be stupid. I Bought it because it's like unironically. Like, that's my life. Like, I love driving cars to the point where if I have to spend a stupid amount amount of money on a car, it's not stupid to me because, like, that's what makes me happy. That's what gives me a drive. Like when I was talking about, like my fall off or whatever, and then I started to come back, my goal was always to buy a Porsche 911. And then on my 21st birthday, I bought a GT3 and I was like, I bought it. And I was like, this is the stupidest ever. But it drove me play on words. Yeah. It drove me to like, make more money and be and work harder because I was like, okay, I have this car now. I have to upkeep the car. You know what I'm saying? Like, I have to work, I have to keep going. And, and that, that kind of, that's what drives me in life is cars. I swear.
- [35:05]
Jack
It's interesting. A lot of people are motivated by, like, spending all their money down and then they gotta make it back.
- [35:11]
Ronaldo
Yeah. I mean, to me, it's stupid as. But like, it's not materialistic stuff for me. Like, it really isn't. It's. It's unironically. It's like how I have a drive in life. Like, I swear, like, if you told me I'm an idiot for buying a car, I wouldn't believe you because it makes me want to work harder, makes me enjoy life. Like, I drive my car every single weekend to Irvine, California, or like Laguna beach or Newport just to like, that's how I enjoy my life.
- [35:37]
Jack
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- [36:49]
Ronaldo
So it's a good question. I'm the same person off cam, on cam, I promise you. And you can ask a lot of different people that. There's two points where it's kind of dangerous. And I think it's. It goes back to, like, high school. I was always kind of, like, autistic, basically. Like, I would run around. Sorry if that offending. I would run around and just do stupid or, like, just be annoying or whatever it might be. And it's still here to this day. Like, for instance, like, we got swatted once at the house, and there's no cameras, by the way. We all go outside, there's no cameras. And one of my friends was reaching in his. His, like, pocket for his, like, ID to show the cop, and I was like, screaming, like, there's no cameras. I was like, he's screaming. He. I was like, he's reaching for a gun. He's reaching for.
- [37:32]
Jack
You said that?
- [37:32]
Ronaldo
Yeah, off camera. Because that's just who I am. Like, I just. I joke.
- [37:35]
Jack
What if he got. Like, you know, he's not gonna get.
- [37:39]
Ronaldo
It was a joke. But, like, the cops are cool. Like, I. The thing is, I feel like a lot of people nowadays, like, streamers, like, try to form clips like they really do. And like, I made a saying once. It was a joke. I said, I am the clip. Like, that was like, the joke. I. I really don't, like, intentionally form clips. Like, it just naturally happens. Like, I've never paid a clipper. I don't know if you know that people pay clippers for TikTok. I've never done that. Like, stuff naturally happens. And I think that's why people also enjoy me. It's because I don't fake who I am. I also think it's very easy to see who is fake and who's not when you watch streamers. Like, I'm. I'm sure you guys have watched entertainers, and they're like, okay, he's putting on an act for, like, kids. He's putting on an act for people, whatever it might be. And then you probably watch people who are like you're fans of, I'm sure because you're like they're authentic. Like I think it all goes to that, like if you're authentic off camera, on camera is gonna be the same.
- [38:30]
Graham
Are you, are you autistic?
- [38:32]
Ronaldo
I think so. A little bit. I have adhd. I don't know if that's accountable.
- [38:35]
Jack
You know what? We all kind of think we have a little bit of autism.
- [38:38]
Ronaldo
I think, I think it's just brilliant.
- [38:40]
Graham
Of like, you know, scrolling on your phone all the time. How could you not?
- [38:43]
Ronaldo
You know, I think we're all autistic, honestly. I think, I think autism at adhd. I don't even believe doctors are real, bro. Like I think I low key think like the doctors made it so we have to like diversify aut a what if we all have it? You know what I'm saying? Like then no one has it. You could have down syndrome.
- [39:02]
Graham
I, I really could. Yeah. I think if anything that he probably does know.
- [39:07]
Jack
I've looked up the symptoms for autism and I'm like, I hit a lot of these things, right?
- [39:12]
Ronaldo
What do you call? No, I do too. I think we all, I could on.
- [39:15]
Jack
These like little niche topics and for me it just happened to be YouTube and Finance and like re I I.
- [39:23]
Ronaldo
Yeah, the most brilliant people in the world are autistic. Like they are like they, they're just creative. And that's where I think I have a little bit of something because it's.
- [39:30]
Graham
Like you're the most brilliant person.
- [39:32]
Ronaldo
I'm up there, I'm getting there close.
- [39:33]
Jack
But you have to have an obsession but then treat it so seriously. That's all you think about.
- [39:37]
Ronaldo
Oh, you have that level of how you become successful.
- [39:40]
Jack
Yeah.
- [39:40]
Ronaldo
It's like it doesn't happen because you believe in it. Like you have to sit there and believe in it. Like. Yeah, I don't know.
- [39:47]
Graham
So if you are the clip, then what are the top three Ronaldo clips of all time?
- [39:52]
Ronaldo
The payphone one that happened when I was actually right before I won FNCS even I was singing payphone and somehow this clip generated billions. It still to this day and people love it.
- [40:03]
Jack
You price why So I had to look it up. I've never heard of it and I and I found the video and it was like tens of millions.
- [40:09]
Ronaldo
Oh no. There's videos taken down like on the original one on YouTube had like 40 to 50, but I got taken out for copy.
- [40:14]
Jack
I saw It. I didn't think it was anything special.
- [40:16]
Ronaldo
No, it wasn't. It wasn't. Wasn't. It wasn't anything. That's why. I still don't understand why it's. That's what I'm trying to tell you is I didn't farm it. It just happened. And it's like, but why do people like it? I don't know.
- [40:25]
Graham
They say, like, they. They think your joy is infectious.
- [40:28]
Ronaldo
Yeah.
- [40:28]
Graham
Like, it just seems like you're so happy in it.
- [40:29]
Ronaldo
I still don't know, But Adam Levine. I want to still meet him. That's, like, still my goal to me.
- [40:34]
Jack
Can you not do that? I feel like.
- [40:37]
Ronaldo
Yeah, I saw that. I'm about to ask. See if I can get.
- [40:39]
Jack
Dude, I feel like that would be a really easy one for you to do.
- [40:42]
Ronaldo
I just want a picture of him. That's it.
- [40:44]
Graham
You should do, like, an. A real authentic cover of it where you rent out a studio space. You got, like, dramatic cameras, like, zooming in. You're, like, really getting into it with the mind.
- [40:54]
Ronaldo
I sing that song. It. It goes. People see it, people. It goes viral.
- [40:58]
Jack
Like, is there any chance you could sing it? No, Please, just.
- [41:02]
Ronaldo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- [41:06]
Graham
So that's what.
- [41:07]
Jack
Okay. What if I paid you 500 bucks to sing?
- [41:09]
Ronaldo
Sing it, bro. Keep your money, bro.
- [41:12]
Jack
Like, actually, what if I. Oh, you.
- [41:13]
Ronaldo
You want to clip? I'm out of.
- [41:15]
Jack
Hey, like, actually, s. I couldn't do it, bro. 20 seconds.
- [41:19]
Ronaldo
I couldn't do it. I need. I need energy.
- [41:21]
Jack
And how much would you need to sing the song? I'm just seeing if this is a price is worth.
- [41:26]
Ronaldo
You got cars, right?
- [41:28]
Graham
The 4 GT?
- [41:29]
Ronaldo
Yeah. You could put 50 miles on your 4 GT. I'll sing it. Yeah. See, look at you.
- [41:35]
Jack
50 miles in. In what length of time, though?
- [41:38]
Ronaldo
A lot. It's all good, bro.
- [41:40]
Graham
I'm curious. That's. That's the first clip. Clip number one. What about two and three?
- [41:44]
Ronaldo
I'm sure you're thinking of one. It's when I got slapped by Bradley Martin. I don't know if you've seen that clip. Yeah, that wasn't planned at all. I was talking to Bradley Martin. This is the first time I saw him in real life. But my man, my management at the time, he wasn't my manager, but, like, he was, like, helping with them. He put me in contact with Bradley Martin, and Bradley Martin knew who I was, and he'll tell you this like it was no ill intent. He actually, the clip is he played payphone right on the speakers in the gym. So I was like, oh, he's with me. I was like, he knows who I am. Blah, blah. We're with each other. Keep in mind, I don't know who Bradley Martin is. I'm not in the gym. Right. I didn't know who he was. I've heard of him, but whatever. I took his hat off because I was like, oh, it's a joke. Like, we're going joke for joke, right? I didn't think much of it. That's like, friends with each other, right? Slap the. Out of me. And then obviously, there's two sides of the Internet. One, why the did you slap him?
- [42:30]
Jack
That was so overreaction.
- [42:31]
Ronaldo
The other one is, don't touch a man's hat. And then it's like, whatever. I don't really give what happened. But that clip went everywhere viral. And that actually helped me a lot. My career.
- [42:42]
Jack
You know what's funny? I saw that clip on Twitter when it happened. I had no idea that was you. Yeah, so that was my first introduction.
- [42:49]
Ronaldo
People don't know the full story. Like, I had no. Like, people thought I was just, like, annoying little kid, like, just being a jerk work. Like, that's kind of where, like, people were like, oh, streamers are just annoying little pieces. Whatever. I had no ill intent. Like, I. I'm a genuine person off camera. Like, I care for people. Like, I'm not like an. Like, I'm not gonna go run around screaming in public, like, too much. Or like, I. I know my. Well, no, I know my place, but I know my place. It's like, I know when to do things and when not to. Like, I have good social awareness. Social cues with that type of stuff, which I feel like a lot of streamers don't nowadays because they see clips of me or they see clips of other people and they're like, oh, they do it. Why can't I? But it's like, it's all social cues. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know when to do it, when not to. And people are gonna say like, oh, no, you don't. Like, it's clear you don't.
- [43:30]
Graham
I do.
- [43:30]
Ronaldo
I know what I'm doing. And that's why I think I'm at. Where I'm at is because I knew what I was doing.
- [43:34]
Jack
That slap looked like it hurt, though.
- [43:36]
Ronaldo
It did, yeah. What's a six foot, five? Dude?
- [43:39]
Jack
Dude, his hand is, like, massive.
- [43:41]
Ronaldo
What's he. He's like 6, 3, 6, 4. I'm 5, 7. He's 260 pounds. I'm 140 pounds. Yeah, he has muscle. I don't. Yeah, it hurt.
- [43:54]
Graham
And what about the third clip?
- [43:57]
Ronaldo
I don't know. What do you think? What have you seen?
- [43:59]
Graham
I don't know. This is. This is up to you. I mean, I've.
- [44:00]
Ronaldo
Dude, I don't know. We basically. Last year we streamed 30 days. Like, right now, we went to a college. And when we went into the college, we started going up to dorms. Like, we went to girls dorms, guys dorms. But we knocked on this girls dorm and she let us in. And I guess someone called the college while we were streaming. It was like eight of us streaming in there, and. And they were like, oh, they're harassing women. Blah, blah, blah. Which we weren't. They were just doing it. So the cops would come. So the cops started to come up to the dorm and they started to, like, arrest all the phase guys. Like, not arrest them. Put them in cuffs, like, detain them. And then I slammed the door of the girl's dorm. Like I was in the room with them, and I hid in her bathroom. And, like, she was with it. She didn't care. She thought it was hilarious. But then, like, the cop ended up coming in and finding me in the bathroom, and I went like this or you have to look at it. I don't find it that funny, but it went everywhere. It was like a stupid clip.
- [44:48]
Graham
So I'm curious, when you're streaming, I know it's a big thing to, like, dox people and to share their location. Call the cops and say that there's like a B OMB threat, basically. How often does this happen to you? How do you. Every day.
- [45:01]
Ronaldo
It happened yesterday. Yeah.
- [45:03]
Graham
So what is the experience on your end? Because I know getting swatted is like, you know, it's.
- [45:06]
Ronaldo
Well, it's like the Internet. It's like there's two sides. You have the culture side of the Internet, which is like, you know, a different side of the Internet. Like, rap people, like, you know, like, it's just like kids. Like, kids with, like, Hypebeast, you know, Hypebeast. It's like, it's like that side. And then you have, like the. The nice side, the pleasant side. And then obviously the mixture, like, I have, like, more of, like, the culture, I feel like. So it's like kids that, like, are go to, like, it's like the Hypebeast era. And, you know, there's a lot of weirdos. So when they call the cops, I Mean, they say, oh, I have a someone, whatever it might be, right? They come to the house, but they know because they know who we are. So it's like they don't really care, but they have to clear the house. It's just scary because it's like, you never know, there might be a new couple on the job that day who's like this. I'm scared for my life and me, but I don't like to think that way. And it's like, how many times do.
- [45:53]
Graham
You think you've been swatted?
- [45:54]
Ronaldo
Over 50, easily. 50, easily. Especially when I used to live in New Jersey. But it's so funny. I, I'll pull it up right now. It's so funny.
- [46:01]
Jack
Do they get in trouble for.
- [46:03]
Ronaldo
Yeah, some of them. Some of them I have like, like, look at this. I have like 8 cops numbers. Just cop, cop, cop. Because they would call me.
- [46:09]
Jack
How do you know which cop is who?
- [46:12]
Ronaldo
I just did it. I gave every single cop my number. I was like, if you ever hear that, like I. Someone at this address or something like that, just call this number and I'll tell you.
- [46:19]
Jack
That's the perfect cover up though, don't you think? What that like now you could go and do that and they'll just be like, ah, yeah, it's another.
- [46:25]
Ronaldo
No, they do it all the. That's the thing is people who swat us.
- [46:27]
Jack
No, I was, I was making a joke.
- [46:29]
Graham
You were. To actually go out and commit a crime, it's like, it's the perfect, you know.
- [46:32]
Ronaldo
Oh yeah, exactly.
- [46:34]
Jack
Someone calls to be like, n. Just another.
- [46:35]
Ronaldo
Yeah, yeah.
- [46:38]
Graham
Yeah. Just don't look under the, don't look under the street.
- [46:41]
Jack
Nothing there.
- [46:41]
Ronaldo
No, you're good. No, but I mean they come, they still have to clear it. It's like their job. They still have to clear, but they'll be less of like a hassle. Like the first time it happened when we live in la, they came to the house, put us all in cuffs aggressively and just ran through the house. Then the second time they were like, they all came but there was like, it was like slow. It's cool though, you know, it's like I'm not scared of it no more. But I do have weirdos that follow me. I do have weirdos that wait for me outside the house, which I'm not scared of though. I.
- [47:05]
Jack
They wait for you outside the house. And what's, what's your interaction with them?
- [47:09]
Ronaldo
Like I just ignore them. But like there's weirdos like right now even I don't Even think people know this, but there's like a weirdo who keeps coming at like 2am basically like four dudes and they say they're looking for me. I, I'm not scared of them because I don't wear my jewelry out. So if you want to come rob me or beat me up, go ahead. I don't know. I have private security who runs around always and protects me, so it's up to you. But. Yeah, no, there's, there's weirdos. There's weirdos. Scary. Trust me, I don't like living in la.
- [47:35]
Graham
What's the closest call you've ever came to some sort of, you know, crime or attack?
- [47:39]
Ronaldo
I don't even know if it had to do with, with, with streaming or just in life.
- [47:42]
Graham
Let's do both.
- [47:43]
Ronaldo
Uh, in life. I was on Hollywood Boulevard and my BMW when I had at the time, time. And I don't know why. This guy got really mad. I, I think I cut him up barely. But it was like nothing crazy. It really wasn't. Yeah. And he started following me through Hollywood Boulevard, like fast, like on me. And it was his girlfriend. And you know me, I'm, I'm Italian. I was, I look out the window. I go like this to the guy and his girlfriend was driving and then she speeds up on me and I see it in my rear view mirror. I'm with my girlfriend and my friends. He's reaching in his bag for like a gun and I, I'm pretty sure he had had a. And they were really on me. I'm a better driver than you. So I, I allegedly on Hollywood Boulevard, you know, like when the crosswalk happens, there's like people that walk or whatever as people are walking. I went around them and the guy had to stop because there's people walking. But it was like really scary.
- [48:34]
Jack
That's why you don't honk in la.
- [48:36]
Ronaldo
Oh yeah, you just. Because you never know.
- [48:38]
Jack
There's no weird. Gonna be like, there's weirdos.
- [48:40]
Ronaldo
People.
- [48:41]
Jack
One day, it's just like their day's gone bad and they snap.
- [48:43]
Ronaldo
No. Yeah, you gotta be careful. And even I was doing with streaming. It's kind of like the similar. It's like people just see my car, whether it be kids, whether it be older people, and they're like, oh, I'm gonna follow him. They, they don't think of me as a real human. They think of me as like an entertainer. So they're like, I'm gonna follow him, whatever, throw at his car. Like I've, I'VE went to car meets where kids throw at the car and then they get like attacked by my fans though. But like, I've never really encountered something scary scary. I've had like, friends encounter stuff re really recently and that's kind of where I'm on edge recently. But like, like I'm very like, aware of my surroundings and et cetera.
- [49:17]
Graham
So if streaming's harder than a 9 to 5 and someone wants to put them themselves through that, that pain and.
- [49:22]
Ronaldo
Discomfort, you could never.
- [49:24]
Graham
I'm curious, is there still opportunity to. To grow on Twitch today? And what do you think is. Is the main thing if someone wants to grow on Twitch, they should be doing, uh.
- [49:32]
Ronaldo
If you want to grow on Twitch, I honestly think you should. It's clips. It really is clips and it sucks. I feel like the game is really up right now. It's probably the hardest. I mean, I wouldn't say it's the hardest it ever is because there is. There is never the hardest time ever, right? Like, on YouTube, it's the same. It's like, oh, it's so hard to become a YouTuber. It's always going to be the same. Hard right pause. But it's going to be like, it's always going to be hard to become a streamer. It's always going to be hard to become a YouTuber. There's never a right time. But like, right now it's just hard in a way where it's like, bro, like, if you start your stream on Twitch, like, and you're not known, it's like, why would I watch you type of thing. Like, there's so many creators that are big now and like, people hop on the bandwagon of like, oh, if you don't have a certain amount of viewers, why would I watch you?
- [50:16]
Graham
It's like, really, you shouldn't even be spending a bunch of your time streaming on Twitch. Instead you should be trying to find a way to.
- [50:21]
Ronaldo
If I started fresh right now, I would stream on Twitch, like four hours probably, or like three hours, maybe even two. And not farm clips, but be myself. Whatever, whatever I want to do, whatever type of content, even if you have 0 viewers, you have to fake it till you make it. Like, pretend that you have an audience watching you, you and still create the content that you want to create. Clip it, put it on tick tock, and then keep streaming every day. Because when people start seeing your clips, even if you have five people see your clip, one of them might be like, oh, like, this guy's kind of funny. I'm gonna go on Twitch to see if he's live. And if you're live, when he's reacting to it, right, that guy might become a loyal viewer, you know what I'm saying? Like, that guy might be like, oh, this guy's funny. And then you keep doing. It's like compounding, you know, it's like you just gotta. The biggest problem is people don't do it. You just gotta do it it.
- [51:07]
Graham
So if you could buy stock in three streamers right now, who would you invest in?
- [51:11]
Ronaldo
Oo, three streamers right now. You know, it's crazy. I'm very good at this. Like, very, very good at this.
- [51:17]
Graham
Who have you picked out in the past?
- [51:20]
Ronaldo
See, I. People are going to be like, cap in the comments, bro. When I was watching Aiden Ross, I have text messages with him DMS when he was averaging still. This is great viewership, by the way. Like 3,000 to 5,000 to 10,000. Which is by the way, some people are like, oh yeah, he already made it. He did, he already did. But I knew he was. I texted him, I was like, yo, you're going to get to this level. You're averaging like 50 to 100,000. We used to have talks about it. He'll even say it himself. Like, I used to text him about it. And he, he became one of the biggest at the time. And then same thing with my friend Jason. Shout out to Jason. He. He was averaging like 1 to 2000 viewers, peaking around like 4. And I told him, I was like, bro, you're going to be like really big one day. And I don't just say it just to say it. Like when I say it, like, I only say it to a select few. You. Not that my word means anything, but like, I was like, yo, you're gonna do this, you're gonna do that. Sure enough, he's like that to right now. Someone I know named Plaque Boy Max, he used to be in Face claim. He actually just left. He was averaging around the same, like a thousand or two thousand. I told him, you're gonna be the biggest one day, like for this reasons, etc. And sure enough, he is like, people know him for those reasons. And I don't know, I just feel like I have a good eye for talent. And I think that's why I even believe in myself, is because I know I can get to a certain level.
- [52:32]
Jack
But what qualities do you see in them that makes them stand out?
- [52:34]
Ronaldo
That just like hunger? To be honest with you, you could tell when someone wants it, when someone Doesn't. It's very. Maybe not to everyone, but to me, like, I could tell when someone is about it, when they want to become a streamer, because it's like, you could say you want to become a streamer. If I don't see you live every single day during the certain amount that I did, I'm like, okay, well, he doesn't want to become a streamer. He's never. He's not gonna make it. And it's not an ego, and it's not me being a dick. It's just me telling the truth. And I feel like that's what a lot of people are scared of, is, like, being told the truth. So it's like when people are like. Like, I've had fans come up to me like, I want to become a streamer. I'm like, no, you don't. I was like, why? Why would you be coming up to me saying, you want. You'd be streaming. You know what I'm saying? Like, you would be doing what you want to do. It's like. It's the same I did when I wanted to become a YouTuber. I didn't sit there wishing every day I want to become a YouTuber. I tried to act on it, you know? And it's like, it's all luck at the end of the day to an extent, but it's also the grind, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't get lucky not doing anything. Like, you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing. Right?
- [53:27]
Graham
So if you're buying stock in three streamers right now, who would you invest in?
- [53:30]
Ronaldo
If I had three streamers that I would invest in, it's actually. I've got one that maybe people are like, he already made it. But, like, I'll get into that. I think this dude named Fact City, he's a Fortnite streamer right now. He used to average around, like, 500 to a thousand viewers. And funny enough, I told him we used to have dinners. And this is like, when he's like, dude, I don't know what to do, blah, blah. I told him. I was like, bro, one day you're gonna average this many viewers if you just stick to it. And he. He stuck to it. He'll. He'll fully admit it. It's funny. I actually could pull up a clip. He. He mentioned it yesterday. He streamed where he, like, thanked me for believing in me, literally yesterday. It's so random. I just thought about that. But I think this dude named Fact City. He's a Fortnite streamer. He used to average, like, 500 years. He averages like 5 to 10,000 now. But I think if he did IRL content and he expanded a little bit on top of his Fortnite content, he could be literally as big as me. Not an ego way, just, like, to the point where he can do whatever he wants on stream. I truly think he's funny. This dude named Yousef. He's a streamer. He, like, irls a lot. He averaged around, like, 2, 000 viewers. I think once Yousef gets that click where people are like, oh, what the is he doing? Type of thing, like, he just has that one moment. I think his career is gonna skyrocket because he has the drive and he has the work ethic, and I think he's gonna get the credit he deserves soon. And then one that already made it. But I know a lot of people are like, for. Maybe not for God about him, but, like, don't take him as seriously when it comes to content. I think Sketch. I think Sketch can get to a new peak. I think that kid is hilarious, and I know people are gonna be like, oh, but Sketch is already huge or whatever. Yeah, he's. He's huge, but he also doesn't stream as much. He doesn't post on YouTube as much, and he's not consistent with his content. He's more or less like a household name, but he doesn't really make much content anymore. He'll even say that himself. It's like, I think if he took it seriously and he really wanted to, he could become way bigger than he is right now. And. And I. I think, yeah, Sketch.
- [55:21]
Graham
Sketch. He should get back on.
- [55:22]
Ronaldo
On live.
- [55:23]
Graham
Yeah, we look forward to it.
- [55:25]
Ronaldo
Like, he streams and he does YouTube, but he doesn't do it as consistently as he should. And it could be because he's already made a ton of money or he's, like, comfortable with where he's at. But, like, I. I truly think he could reach a new level.
- [55:36]
Jack
Why don't you go and invest or help the smaller streamers and, like, maybe work out a split and say, hey, I'll help you get to, like, 10,000 viewers, and we could split, you know, come up with, like, a revenue to share, and we'll grow together. Kind of like what Faze is doing.
- [55:53]
Ronaldo
We'll say it again.
- [55:54]
Jack
Kind of what, like, Faze's whole thing? Yeah, let's bring you up with us.
- [55:57]
Ronaldo
I'll break that down too. I kind of do it in a Way where. Jesus. I don't really expect much in return. And it's kind of because there's different levels of business models, right? Like, I could invest in someone by giving them money. I can invest in someone by helping my. Helping their viewership, by bringing my viewership to them. Maybe tell them to go over. And then maybe in return I want you to collab with me. Or maybe in return I want you to give me money. The way I do it is when I truly believe in someone. A great example is the guy Factsity. He used to average 500 viewers. I would host him all the time with like 8 to 20,000 viewers. And I just. I just hosted him because I loved him. I thought he was hilarious. My viewers thought he was hilarious. And this isn't an ego. He admitted this. I pull up the clip yesterday. He was like, shout out to Ron for hosting me so many times. He always believed in me. Like, it helped me a lot. Like, I'll always love him. It's like that, that I. I find is better than money. Like, I wouldn't. I don't want money in return. I want to just see my brain, like, realize that, like, okay, like, I helped someone who actually is grateful for being helped and isn't a dick about it. Did I make him? No. But, like, did I help him? Yeah, it's something he admitted and that. And I find that way more of a better return than money. And also in the long run, it's like. And if you want to think in a business way, if I help Fact City and he does become extremely big, he's going to want to do with me, too. So it's like his viewers are going to want to talk to me. His viewers are. Want to come to me. So it's like we. We trade off at each other in a special way. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's obviously all transitional at the end of the day. That's how the Internet is. But, like, the way I invest into people is, like, friendships. Like, I. I value my friendships with a lot of people. And I'd like to consider Faxi, like, one of my good friends.
- [57:37]
Jack
Who's the most famous person in your fun phone?
- [57:39]
Ronaldo
Okay. The most famous person in my phone. There's different levels of fame. There's like Kai Sinat fame. There's like a Bronnie James fame. Like, what do we. What do we think? Because I have, like, in my phone this top three. Just, like, overall, probably Bronnie, I would assume he's the Most famous because LeBron. So, like, everyone in the world knows who Bronnie James is mostly.
- [58:00]
Graham
I don't think Graham knew who Bronnie James was. I just.
- [58:02]
Ronaldo
I mean, LeBron's son. If I told you LeBron's son.
- [58:04]
Jack
Okay, then I would.
- [58:05]
Ronaldo
That's what I'm saying. LeBron's son.
- [58:06]
Jack
Okay.
- [58:08]
Ronaldo
I have Kai's. I'd say Kai Sinat is pretty famous.
- [58:13]
Jack
When did Faze Clan come into the mix of all this?
- [58:17]
Ronaldo
I've been a fan of Faze since I was 13. Like, 12, maybe. I used to cry when I got into their lobbies on Xbox360. So I've been a Faze fan forever. But Faze Clan got in the mix of streaming because when I started to stream more, I was in an organization called nrg. And then when I left, Faze wanted to pick me up, which was my dream. And I joined Faze clan around 2022, 2023. But that was when Faze was kind of dead. Like, my career was kind of not that big. And then Banks had an idea to have me, and he basically wanted to rebuild Phase, like, how it used to be, like, having, like, the phase of that Phase Rain, phase Banks, Phase Apex, Like, Phase Tico, like, all these guys. He wanted to rebuild it basically, really for, like, a new generation. So he chose me to be a part of that, which I'm forever grateful for. That made my career borderline, like, doing Phase again. And he chose Jason the Ween, which was my friend. I mentioned Plaque Boy Max Silky, and then Lacy Black Boy Max Lacey Stable, and Auto Silky. Jason. Yeah, and Jason and he basically wanted to do a house in la, and then we ended up just doing it. We ended up just coming together, and Faze backed us up. They paid for the house, they paid for our content. And sure enough, when you put five creators who love each other and we're friends with each other in the house, I mean, it turned out to be successful.
- [59:39]
Jack
So what's the vetting process like on that?
- [59:42]
Ronaldo
What do you mean?
- [59:43]
Jack
Like, the vet, like, making sure that we're gonna be, like, good in writing. Honestly, everything is aligned.
- [59:50]
Ronaldo
Fun part about Faze Clan is there is not done. I mean, there's like. There's, like, lines of, like, what we want to do and what we want to accomplish. Yeah, but when we went to the house, we just said it, like, you know, we were like, let's just try to make this work. Did we? Was there a stupid amount of money being spent a month? Yeah, but, I mean, it was more or Less like it's the, it's the risk and the reward. Like as a business you're not going to see the green forever. Like and for a long time, like it was in the red obviously, but it was like another risk. We had a new investor for Faze Clan, the guy I put a lot of money in and then we invested into the house and we said it and then we just started owning the Internet.
- [60:24]
Graham
So how does the business of Faze work now? Like who owns Faze? How many shareholders are there? Are you a shareholder in phase? How are distributions made? How do you pay Faze? How do they pay you?
- [60:32]
Ronaldo
Yeah, so we own percentages of Faze, all individually. All of us. Obviously we don't own a crazy, crazy amount because we're not the ones who put up millions of dollars a month to do the house. Millions of dollars for employees, for content or whatever. But I know Game Square owns a percent. Those were the original investors. Matt Kalish, the owner of DraftKings, owns a majority, which by the way, Matt Kalish is. Might be the greatest all Dick ride. I don't care that he's a billionaire or not even just because that he's by the greatest human that I've met who it. I'm talking like he's a, he's a billionaire. He's a real life billionaire and he'll come to the house, hang out with us, talk to us. He'll. If I call him right now, he'll pick up the phone. I swear to God, he'll pick up the phone. I've called him at like 2am for just business advice. He is a genuine dude and I think he's probably one of the greatest CEOs for us. Like it was. He really wants to take care of us and he's really good, good with his.
- [61:22]
Graham
So if he owns 51 and then.
- [61:24]
Ronaldo
I don't know what percent he owns because we also own percent. Like that's what I was trying to say. Like whatever online is wrong, but I know that I own a percent, like more than a percent. All the Phase guys own more than percent, which I have the shares, I think they're valued at I don't know, maybe like half a million six hundred thousand. But I mean it's. Someone has to buy it, you know what I'm saying?
- [61:43]
Jack
So, and so you split then some revenue with the overall business in exchange for having. So the way the business model works.
- [61:52]
Ronaldo
From what my understanding is because obviously this is only our year two. We're not even on year two. We're about to. Actually. No, Yeah, I would say we're. We just hit year two of the remodel, so we're still figuring it out. But basically the plan is, it's like, you know, when we create IPS, if FaZe wants to invest in that phase, basically just put us on, like, helped us get more recognition. And now the way the brand makes money is if we bring sponsorships, if we bring ips, if we bring products, they would. Would help take a percent from that. But it's not like some where it's like, oh, you have to give us 50 of your. No, it's like, okay, if you want to drop a product, right, I'll help you. I'll put up X amount of money for you, but in return, you just have to give me 30%, which is completely fair. Right? He's kickstarting it and he's willing to take that risk. And he's verbally told me, he's like, oh, yeah, if it fails, it fails. You know what I'm saying?
- [62:38]
Graham
Like, you're not really allowed to do work like that with other people.
- [62:40]
Ronaldo
I mean, who's going to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into me, millions of dollars, and take the risk it might lose. Lose it? I'm saying. So it's like. So it is fair if he wants 40, if he wants 50. It depends, you know what I'm saying? Like, if I do a, like a, like a thing I want to do is I want to do something to do with cars, like just drag races or laps, like, like courses. If I have to ask for millions of dollars, he'll find me people to invest millions of dollars into me, and he'll take that risk. But in return, he would be like, okay, Yeah, I want 40. And I'm like, yeah, that's fair. That's completely fair. Because I'm not gonna put. Put a million dollars. I'm. To be honest, I'm not. Yeah, I, I don't want to take that risk because I don't have the liquid to do that. So it's like, yeah, but that's kind of how the business model is. And it, it does work, and it will work. You know, do I think Faze as a whole is a profitable business? I don't think any organization in gaming is like a profitable thing because they spend too much money. But I do think the way to become profitable is stuff like that. Like, if I made a prime. Right, right. That company's worth a billion dollars. And Matt Kish owns whatever half a If you make half a billion dollars, if they sell for a billion dollars, it's like, okay, we're profitable. So it's like, so it seems like.
- [63:47]
Graham
Kind of what it is, is he front loaded a lot of the money for you guys to be able to have the capital and access to grow on, on streaming. And then I could be very wrong.
- [63:56]
Ronaldo
But I'm pretty sure, yeah.
- [63:57]
Graham
And then because of that, you guys just have a close rel. A tightly knit relationship with him where if you guys want to do something, he's the first guy you guys go to and then he kind of, he's able to get his hands and you know, if you guys want, he also.
- [64:08]
Ronaldo
He also truly believes in it and that's why he's very important.
- [64:13]
Graham
It seems cool. It's a more of a handshake thing, but if it works out, it works out.
- [64:17]
Ronaldo
It's cool. He's just, he's, he's very smart, he's not dumb. And I, I think he just is. He's like the greatest person, right? Like, he really takes risks for us and it feels like family. And obviously there's always going to be opinions on the Internet because people are like, phase this, phase that, whatever. You obviously see all the negative like negativity of that type of stuff, but it's like, like, I don't know, I feel like right now Faze is in. Faze is in its best spot right now, in my opinion. It's the most fun I've had. Most fun I've. People said they've watched, so.
- [64:49]
Graham
So why did Faze kick out a bunch of members?
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- [67:48]
Graham
So why did Faze kick out a bunch of members?
- [67:50]
Ronaldo
Do you know those members?
- [67:52]
Graham
I know a couple of them. I know they kicked out Blaze, and I was. I was upset about that.
- [67:57]
Ronaldo
Did Blaze make content?
- [67:58]
Graham
Not really. And he. He made a video where he was like, I get it, you know, Like.
- [68:01]
Ronaldo
I get why they. I also think it's like, you, like, so there's two different people that get kicked. There's the newcomers and then the OG Phase, right? People are like, okay, Apex, Rain, Tico, Temper, Faze, Blaze, whatever, right? You can kick them out of phase, but they're still phase, right? Like when we. I think. I think when they did the kick out type of stuff, it was more or less. It's like, okay, you're just not involved in our content. No, more like, because they don't want to be, truthfully. And if they do want to be, like, I don't know. But, like, from. From what I'm understanding, because I'm not the one who kicked them. I wasn't even in phase when they kicked them. I was, but, like, I wasn't the guy in charge. It was more or less. There were so many people in phase that you guys probably don't even know. And then there was the random people that were in phase that you guys have no clue. Like, if I named some people, you probably wouldn't even know. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, those people got kicked because it's like, what is Faze Clan now? Faze Clan used to be what you just said. A Phase Blaze, a Phase Rain, a Phase Adapt, a Phase Temper. Like, those were household names that people knew. And it was such a tight group. And everyone's like, I want to join Phase. But if you have like a hundred people, people who. Some make content, some don't. Some want to grind, some don't. Some don't even care to be on YouTube, don't be. Care to be on streams, whatever. It's like, what is. What is this about now? Is it.
- [69:13]
Jack
Why don't they want to be answered? Like, I don't get it. To have such a big opportunity to.
- [69:18]
Ronaldo
Then, like, I get. I'm not going to say names, but there's been people in phase who are guaranteed half A million dollars a year, and then half a million dollars on top of that with sponsors. And they didn't stream. They didn't. They didn't want to work.
- [69:28]
Jack
Why do you think they're not wanting to work?
- [69:30]
Ronaldo
When you put something in someone's face, case, it's very easy to take and not, like, give back. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's very easy for someone to. To say, like, if I. If. If I offered you a job, right? And I was like, okay, I'm gonna give you a million dollars a year. Your instinct is probably like, oh, what the. I'm getting a million dollars a year. You sign the contract, whatever it is. I'm like, okay, you have to do YouTube videos. You have to do. You have to do a couple YouTube videos a month, right? There's no. There's not a real situation, but, like, a couple. A couple of you do a month, you might be like, like, okay, I'm gonna do the couple YouTube videos a month, and that's it. I'm not gonna go above and beyond, et cetera. And that's kind of what it was. It's like, they would do the bare minimum, if that, and then they'd get lazy because they're like, okay, I'm guaranteed a check. You know what I'm saying? I sign a contract. So it's like, it's very easy for people to see numbers and just get motivated by numbers and not disciplined. You know, like, this goes with viewership. This goes with revenue. This goes with. With followers. Like, I'm sure you've seen tons of artists who make a quick amount of money and they get comfortable, and they're like, okay, you know, I can chill. And that's how they lose it. Same. It's the same concept, you know, it's the entertainment industry, so it's like, yeah, it's all the same concept.
- [70:40]
Jack
It's so frustrating to me. I've seen so many people in that exact same position where they start doing really well, they start making a ton of money, and they get so comfortable.
- [70:48]
Ronaldo
To it, and then they just slack.
- [70:50]
Jack
Off, spend the money, and they're like, like, oh, two years later. And that's why this out. Yeah.
- [70:55]
Ronaldo
And I. I'm honestly. I've got a good analogy for it too. Actually, before I even say I'm a victim to it, it's, bro, look at Covid. Look at all these tick tockers who were making money, thought that they were rich, thought that they were crazy influencers, and they're Scrambling now, because it's all going away. They got comfortable, you know what I'm saying? The Internet changes, the world changes. Etc. But again, I, I am a victim to it. And I think that's how I originally, like, fell off, is because, because I got so comfortable. I'd go live and I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna get 20,000 viewers today. I'm gonna make $20,000 today.
- [71:24]
Graham
I'm cool.
- [71:25]
Ronaldo
I'm okay. Then I don't go live the next day. Cause I'm like, oh, I'll just go live a day after and I'll have this amount of viewers. I'll make this amount of money. Then it would drop down a couple of thousand viewers. I'd be like, oh, it's whatever, bro. I'll average 15,000 viewers tomorrow. I'll make $10,000 tomorrow. It went down again, and then it would slowly go down. And then that's when I started getting in my own head. I'm like, if I don't have this amount of viewership or if I don't make this amount of money, I don't enjoy it anymore. And that's where I really realized I lost my passion. And that's where I had to take a step back, realize what I had be grateful for, and come back and actually make content that I believe in and enjoy. So. And I think that's why I thrive right now is because, like, even coming here, like, when I DM'd you guys, it's like, because I'm like, I enjoy talking about stuff like this. Like, I enjoy actually, like, bringing attention to, like, this, because I think a lot of people need it.
- [72:08]
Jack
How does it feel, though? If you're not streaming, you're, like, technically leaving money on the table, so.
- [72:13]
Ronaldo
Yeah, I think about that a lot. Um, for instance, like, if I don't stream today, realistically, I'm just being honest, transparent. I would probably miss out on, like, if I streamed eight hours today, I'd probably miss out on like, eight to $15,000 just off streaming. But it's like, at the same time, I don't stream for money. And I know people might be like, cap, but I really don't. I, I, I, I like taking breaks. I like. And I wouldn't even consider it a break if I don't stream today. I did this, you know, I'm saying I did something productive. As long as you're doing something productive in your off time, you're not leaving money behind. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're you're not even leaving opportunity behind.
- [72:47]
Jack
How does that, how do you have that mentality? For me, that was very difficult because from 2019 through 2023, really, I wouldn't take a day off. I refused because every day I took off, I know I'm leaving like, I'm paying X amount not to work today. And I'm like, I'd rather just work.
- [73:04]
Ronaldo
Well, it's the wrong mindset in my head because it's like there's unlimited money in the world. There's always going to be money on the table. It's just about how you want to go get it. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's, there's ways you might, you might figure out a way how to make more money than you've ever seen tomorrow. And you might not realize it and be like, why the am I doing a podcast? But then you still do the podcast, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's an up, there's chance of that. And I think it's just when you say like, how do you not get scared? Or how do you not have that mentality? I think it's more or less in my head said it also has to do with my beliefs in the world. Like I believe truly, like it's so cliche, but it's, it's really how I believe. It's how I, it's how I operate. It's like I believe I'm a good person, that good opportunity will happen and I feel like I'm always going to have fortune in my life. So it's like I don't worry about taking days off if I don't make amount of money or etc.
- [73:50]
Jack
You have an abundance mentality. I very much have a scarcity where every damn like, all right, this is it, the thing's changing tomorrow.
- [73:56]
Ronaldo
But the thing is I, I have that mentality with streaming because I don't think about it money wise but I think about it like, like, okay, I could fall off tomorrow. Oh, I could lose viewership tomorrow if I started going from 20,000 viewers to 10,000 viewers. It's like, okay, you split your revenue, you split your relevancy. So it's like comes and goes and it's like again, analogy is like the tiktokers, when these TikTokers are getting 5 million views a video and then all of a sudden they start getting half a million views, it's like, oh, what the do I do? Type of thing. So it's like it's the same thing with YouTube. If you upload this video and it's a 1 out of 10, you guys would be like, yeah, this is amazing. Whatever. And if this video is a 10 out of 10, you're gonna be like, okay. Like, and then you might, like, think about, should we have more streamers on? Should we do this? And it's like that.
- [74:35]
Graham
You.
- [74:36]
Ronaldo
You just gotta work. You just gotta do it. You know what I'm saying? It goes back to what we said originally. It's like, you just gotta just not care and just do the how you want to do it. So if you think you should work every single day, do it. Seriously, do it. But I. I do think taking breaks is good for you. If it's not like a break. Like, even when I go, like when I was mentioning how I drive my car, it's not real break. I might not stream, I might not post, I might not even do a podcast. It's not a real break because it's helping me mentally. When I'm taking this break, it's like I'm so. I'm clearing my head so I can work better. I'm clearing my head so I can think of ideas. I'm clearing my head so I can just figure out what I want to do next. You know, if you work every single day, you have no opportunity to think, really. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
- [75:21]
Graham
At a certain point, I feel like you get a higher ROI just from thinking than you do from doing. Whereas, like, in the beginning, I think you should do a. A whole lot more doing. Maybe like 80 doing 20 thinking. And then it kind of shifts over time to, like, more thinking more. Kind of like, honestly, I get a high ROI from, like, going on a little vacation or like a weekend trip just to let my body, like, calm down. And then I'll come up with an idea on that trip, and then I'll execute on it, and it'll be a game changer.
- [75:44]
Ronaldo
I like to do this thing called Toilet Thoughts. When I get on the toilet, I think better.
- [75:47]
Graham
How long do you usually spend on it?
- [75:48]
Ronaldo
Sometimes I sit on the toilet just for an hour, and I'm like, I'm really starting. But I start thinking of ideas, standing with, driving. Sometimes I'll drive. Drive. No music. I'll literally just drive and I'll be like, okay, I want to do this, I want to do that. It starts. It's like how. It's a form of therapy, but like a great example of people. Like, what you were just saying, like, return of a investment Investment, yes. Roi, roi. When you take breaks is like, look at someone like Logan Paul, a great example. Or Jake Paul, a great example. These guys uploaded every Single day for 2 years, 3 years. Every single day. Day. 5 million views a video. 10 million views a video every day. These guys are probably making like, what, $50,000 a video, $70,000 a video, millions of dollars on merch. But then they randomly start taking breaks. But now look, look how brilliant they are. It's like they figured out ways when they took breaks to become bigger, become better things. Another great example, more relevant to like, I guess my space is like KY at KYSON at used to stream every single day. I'm sure every single day he's making 20 to 30, $50,000 off stream, streaming off sponsors, whatever, more money. But like, when he's streaming every day, he's like, okay, I'm. I'm. I'm making like fifty to a hundred thousand dollars today. Okay, I could go buy my. A dream car tomorrow. I could go buy a dream watch tomorrow. But like, when he takes these breaks, look what he's doing right now. Like, you know, I'm saying he creates these bigger ideas and these crazier ideas because he took a break. He wouldn't be able to do what he's doing right now if he didn't take a break. He wouldn't have thought of it. He wouldn't have. And he knows that. And it's like anyone knows that. It's like you become brilliant when you take more breaks because you could think of better ideas.
- [77:19]
Jack
How do you balance streaming working with having a relationship?
- [77:22]
Ronaldo
Now? It's, it's kind of interesting because the way my relationship works is, and I think a lot of people should follow this formula is really building a foundation off the bat. And it sounds very normal, everyone says that, but it's like really solidifying a boundary and foundation. Like, when I met my girlfriend, first and foremost, I told her I was like, you cannot have a social media presence. I just don't want it. And I'm like, if that's controlled trolling, I get it. Like, I actually, I'm very understanding. Like, I'm like, okay, I get it. Like, why is my boyfriend not wanting me to be public or whatever? But I'm like. And she really respects it. And that's why I love her, is like, because I just don't. When I'm online, I'm online. When I'm offline, I want to have an offline life. Like, I want to enjoy my life. So it's like when I, when I met my girlfriend, I was like, yeah, I just, I really don't want you public on like tick tock, social media, streaming, whatever. It might be like she could go live tomorrow, probably average like thousands of viewers and make hundreds of thousand dollars off my name, but she respects me enough to not do that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I told her, I, I just, I, I don't want you online. When I work, I want to be able to work. Like I don't want to be able to be like bombarded or like clinginess or like pettiness over small things. Like I like to keep my private life private. And it sucks too because then there's weirdos on the Internet like, oh, what does she look like? What is she hiding if she's not public? And that's why, like I'll show her face. Like I posted her before just so I could get rid of the stalkers and all that. But like, yeah, she doesn't come on camera. She doesn't, she doesn't do anything. I like to keep it private.
- [78:49]
Graham
So a lot of people would be wondering if you're young, you're making a bunch of money, you have a bunch of freedom, you're so successful, like why would you settle down into some sort of a relationship when you could optimize on building the business, making more money, grinding. When you have this like kind of golden egg right in front of you, you can just keep harvesting.
- [79:05]
Ronaldo
Because I think a lot of people have, have two. Okay, so this is a great question because there's, there's ways to balance this and I feel like that's a problem with life is people don't find balance. Like I think if I didn't have a girlfriend, I wouldn't be successful in other ways. I wouldn't. When I'm off stream, I was, I used, I used to end stream and just be super stressed. Just super like not. And I wouldn't be relaxed. And when I'm with her I feel more relaxed or I feel better. But like I also don't let it affect my business side. And a lot of people do and they'll say it doesn't, but then it does a little bit. Like I truly, I tell her, I'm like, oh, like, like I, we've had arguments, it's a relationship, you know, I'm saying you're going to have arguments, you're going to have ups and downs. But like I would tell her, I'm like, I Can't let this affect my day to day. I was like, I can't let this affect my job. If so, like, we have to be done type of thing. And it's like. It's not like ultimatums, but it's like, I try to find a balance of having a relationship and having work, and I think I do a pretty good job at it.
- [79:55]
Graham
Yeah, you set. Your frame is kind of where it's at, but. But what I'm curious is a lot of guys in your position, if you're young, you're living in the pussy west, you want what they're whipped. I don't know what that technically means.
- [80:06]
Ronaldo
You know what that means? Yeah, of course. You.
- [80:07]
Jack
You haven't heard the term.
- [80:08]
Graham
I don't know what that technically means.
- [80:10]
Ronaldo
It's like, basically like, your girlfriend will control you.
- [80:13]
Graham
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
- [80:15]
Ronaldo
I thought that's what you're saying.
- [80:16]
Jack
No, no, Jack is. What Jack is trying to say is that you would, you know, go out.
- [80:20]
Graham
To, like, cars, cars, bars, clubs and things and just like, go try to find a girl. Like, yeah, play the field. You could flex all the stuff you have going on. Your cars, your watches, your money stuff, your influence and stuff like that, and just have. Have like 50 girlfriends at once. You know what I mean? Like, why is it such a common thing out here for people with your demographic and yet you don't do it?
- [80:40]
Ronaldo
Well, it's the same. It goes back to what I think. I think it was what you said. It was like, when you make so much money, like, are you good with your money or whatever, right? It's like these guys who get so many followers, they're quickly to just, like, want to flaunt it. Like, when. I don't even know if we have it on camera. When I was telling you, like, on. I was like, yeah, I don't really like to show, like, numbers and all that because it's like, I just don't care. And I think it's just how I grew up. Up. Like, when I was in high school, I didn't kiss a girl until I was, like, 18. I didn't. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't lose my virginity to my first girlfriend. Like, I wasn't putting my dick in random. Like, I wasn't, like, flexing when I won money. Like, I wouldn't go up. Like, people would flex their clothes. People would flex their money. Like, I just don't. It may seem like I do sometimes, but I really Don't. And I think, like, all these other influencers have this, and they're like, I want to be someone who I'm not. There's people who buy cars. Cars. Right. Buy cars. They don't actually buy them, but they say they buy them.
- [81:30]
Jack
What are they doing? Leasing or renting?
- [81:31]
Graham
Both.
- [81:32]
Jack
They do make a good financial sense, though. If they're writing it off, sometimes I'm.
- [81:37]
Ronaldo
In favor of do it. I agree. No, you can lease a car for. However, that's not my problem. It's when you fake it and you say that you own it for real, and then you try to flex this fake lifestyle. Or, like, if I rented a car.
- [81:49]
Jack
For the weekend, how many people do that?
- [81:51]
Ronaldo
How many people do that?
- [81:52]
Jack
How common is it? It's like, percentage would you say?
- [81:55]
Ronaldo
I would say 85 to 90% of people don't own what they say they have. And I know that from meeting people, and I know that from hearing things from people from people and seeing. Keep in mind, I. I have the check that I paid from Wells Fargo, $400,000 for my GT3Rs, because I bought it cash, because I wanted that car, because I wanted it.
- [82:14]
Graham
That's interesting because you're, like, around the YouTube and streaming streamer, like, community a lot. We are. Sure, we're around the YouTube community a lot. Not very much the streamer, but most of the people we're now spending time with, especially on the podcast, are, like, entrepreneurs, like, business people that own things. Like, for example, if we have Papa John on here, we don't need to validate that he actually owns his cars. But these, Papa John, these are.
- [82:34]
Ronaldo
Because when I walk in the room, you could tell once. I'm sure you could tell when someone's legit and when someone's not. It's. It's a. It's again, it's a human trait. It's like, me personally, like, if someone walked in here and you had 10 people and you told me, each one of these guys or a millionaire, and they all. Whatever. They all had jewelry or whatever, I could tell you which one is probably the real millionaire.
- [82:50]
Graham
So how did you meet your girlfriend?
- [82:52]
Ronaldo
I DM'd her. And I know people are gonna say, oh, okay, you DM'd her. She. I DM'd her to play video games, and this was off camera.
- [83:01]
Graham
How did you see her, though?
- [83:02]
Ronaldo
It was a random TikTok with 20 views, and I was literally depressed, and I wanted to play Valorant at the time, and she was playing Valorant, and I was like, okay, let's play Valorant together. At first it was like nothing. Still was nothing for like a couple times. But then we just started to talk more and she was single, I was single, and I just had fun having conversation with her. You know, I enjoyed just being around her. So it was more or less like I talked to her, we played video games, and we eventually met because we're both in California and the rest was kind of history. But I know a lot of people are like, okay, well, she responded to you because you have a check mark. She responded you because you have followers. She responded you because you have money. There's very. In my head, and I don't think there's always going to be comments. No matter. I could say anything on this mic right now, and there's going to be someone out there. They be like, oh, yeah, he's brainwashed. Oh, yeah, he's fallen for it. No matter what I say, I could say the most perfect articulated sentence. It's not going to matter. So that's why I don't even care to give a reason. But, like, I know she's not a bad person. There's obviously trials and tests that you mentally. She knows. It's not like I'm being a dick. It's like I've told her. I'm like, yeah, like, you know, there's ways to tell if someone's a nice person, a good person, and she also has money, her family has money also.
- [84:10]
Graham
There's nothing wrong. I feel like you can contend with this with saying that if you do have status, money, influence, stuff like that, that that will generally just be attractive to a girl. Because I feel like girls kind of. They seek out some sense of, like, a provider, some guy that can, like, make them feel safe and comfortable. And if you have those qualifications, it's not only that you have the money and the influence and the power, but it's also that, like, you have.
- [84:31]
Ronaldo
Then you have all these people that.
- [84:32]
Jack
Are Confidence, you have the character that.
- [84:35]
Graham
Would let you achieve those things.
- [84:38]
Jack
Passion.
- [84:39]
Ronaldo
Exactly. And that's why, like, I'm telling you, like, no matter what we say, by the way, there's gonna be comments that are like, this guy's brainwashed.
- [84:47]
Graham
Of course there will be.
- [84:48]
Ronaldo
So that's why it's like, it goes back to also what you just said, like, having these character. Character characteristics of, like, being charismatic and, like, passionate about something. It's like a lot of these guys don't. So when they see someone like me, if I DM a girl and I Have followers. They're quick to be like, annoyed by it. Be like, oh, yeah, she's only fudge you because you have followers. Whatever. It's like, truthfully, I had a girlfriend before I had followers, before I had anything, and look where that got me. I didn't, I didn't date her. So it's. I think that statement's wrong. And I, I don't know. I think we were just dumb.
- [85:18]
Graham
So how long do you think you're going to date her before you guys try to take it to, to a different level? You gave her a promise.
- [85:22]
Jack
Yeah. What's the logic behind the promise ring?
- [85:26]
Ronaldo
She probably would. She taught me more things than I've, by the way, like, ever experienced, like in life about certain things. Traveling, certain places. She's taken me, like, just like being there. And she's shown me that, like, no matter what, when, like I get annoyed, when I get angry, like, you know, it's human traits. Like when I get worked up or stressed or whatever, whatever. She's not quick to jump the like, oh, you're being annoying. You're being an like. Like how some girls would be like, pettiness like childish, etc. Like, she's understanding and. But I just know, I just love this girl. So it's like I was like, you know what? It's my one year anniversary with her. I was like, it's like we made a year. You know, here's.
- [86:03]
Jack
But why, why a promise ring over, like a nice necklace?
- [86:07]
Ronaldo
I think it's just like earrings. I think it's just like tradition. You know, when someone gets a promise ring, they're like, they think it's cute. They're like, oh, it's like another level.
- [86:14]
Jack
Of like, here's my friendship.
- [86:16]
Ronaldo
Yeah. Yeah.
- [86:17]
Graham
And so if you end up marrying this girl, are you getting a prenup?
- [86:21]
Ronaldo
A hundred percent. A thousand percent. And she knows that she wants a prenup herself.
- [86:25]
Graham
How early did you bring up the prenup conversation?
- [86:28]
Ronaldo
He's not as quick as possible. She knows that she wants a prenup. She said the same thing. She's like, I want to make sure my assets are safe. That's what she said. And I was like, yeah, that's respectable.
- [86:38]
Jack
It comes from a wealthy family, I take it.
- [86:40]
Ronaldo
I would say to a degree. But like, even in general, she, she wants to go to law school or something like that. And she was saying, like, she wants to just protect herself. Even if she has money. She doesn't have money. But like, when I brought up the Conversation. She wasn't like, oh, so you don't trust me, like, with money, like, bro, if that was.
- [86:53]
Graham
Because that's a red flag.
- [86:54]
Ronaldo
Well, if that's the case, I wouldn't have dated her. That's my point is like, I've, I've. There's like those trials that you go through where you figure out if this girl, like a girl's legit. It's the same thing with guys if a guy's legit, you know, so it's like, yeah, I mean, the prenup was off the bat. She knows that though. And like, even like, like we talked about it, like, even like, recently, like, oh, like about, like, money, etc, and I'm like, yeah, I'm always gonna protect myself. And she knows. This is like, I've said it since the beginnings. Like, I'm always going to protect my business and I' going to put my business above us. And I said, it's rude. I'll be honest with you, it is rude, but I'm always going to put my business ahead of you. It's just how it is. And it's like, if you want to date someone like that, you can. If not, if not, do you think.
- [87:32]
Jack
That would ever change? Like, let's say you have kids one day.
- [87:35]
Ronaldo
Could always change. Emotions can change, hormones can change, like, people can change, whatever. But I'm not going to change.
- [87:42]
Jack
I think at this stage in your life, it's probably the smart thing to do until you, like, actually settle down.
- [87:46]
Ronaldo
That's what I'm saying. Like, if family, if changes, then moves, like, stuff moves accordingly, you know what I'm saying? Like, stuff will move accordingly to stuff that changes. And it's like, I'm not a dumbass. I've seen what happens with my mom and my, my father at the time. They're divorced. But like, I've seen, like, how it operates. I've seen in real life, like, how families tear apart or like relationships break. And it's like, I'm not a. And I'm not gonna, like, if does change, God forbid. It's like, I'm gonna move accordingly. And I, I know how to move. I'm not going to. Like I said, I'm not going to be whipped. I'm not going to be like, oh, please come back, please stay type of thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm never. This is the mentality, I guess. Yeah. I don't know if that answers.
- [88:27]
Jack
Do you know when you guys are going to move in together or when that might happen.
- [88:30]
Ronaldo
Not anytime soon. Because I told her, I was like, I'm not going to lie. Like, rent's paid right now by Faze Clan Shout Out. Faze Clan Content's being paid for. It's like, why would I ever take that for granted, I guess, and like try to move out or try to spread myself. And this is how it is. Yeah. You know.
- [88:47]
Graham
Now, on. On the topic of money, I'm curious. Where is your money coming from?
- [88:52]
Ronaldo
What do you mean?
- [88:53]
Graham
Like, what. What income sources do you have?
- [88:55]
Ronaldo
Okay, so right now I have twit, I guess in order, Twitch is probably my biggest check. I would say month to month because that's, that's what I'm most consistent in.
- [89:08]
Graham
Are you comfortable saying numbers or do you.
- [89:10]
Ronaldo
Yeah, I. Yeah. Okay. For an average month right now if I stream around 140 hours, I'm pretty much around 150 to $200,000. If I exceed that with like, for instance, like the month of the Elden Ring marathon, I streamed about 100. No, I streamed about 210 hours. And that is with the investment. I did the 30,000 that I put in. And then that whole month, 210 hours it was with daily streaming. And then the Elden Ring thing, I made, I think 210 hours. I think I made $230,000 on the month of Twitch that month. And then alongside, I've had sponsorships. I won't say what sponsorship, but you could figure it out. But I've had a. I'll have sponsorships. That's another source of income is sponsorship. Sponsorships is like one of the biggest things. There's month to month sponsorships that are like a 10 to 20, 30 grand, where I get paid 30 grand a month for like six months if I do like deliverables or whatever. And then there's sponsorships that are like one off. Like for instance, instance, if I do like a Battlefield, like I played Battlefield, I'm not gonna say how much it was, but. Because I can't. But I did Battlefield and that's like a big check. Like that ranges from anywhere from 200, 000 to 400, 000 just for like those deliverables in a month. And yeah, I've had months where I've made over half a million to almost a million dollars. Actually. I don't know if I had.
- [90:25]
Jack
You haven't cracked the million mark yet?
- [90:27]
Ronaldo
No. I don't know. Have I? I probably have. I think. I think I have. There was a point where I Had a gambling deal. I did it for two months. I got paid a hundred K a week for two months.
- [90:37]
Jack
And what happened after the two months?
- [90:39]
Ronaldo
It just went downhill. They got rid of it off Twitch. But I also had to realize that gambling is just so with the gambling.
- [90:45]
Graham
Deal, I'm curious, do they. They fund your account as well to gamble that money?
- [90:49]
Ronaldo
Right? Well, so there's two different gambling thing and that's why people would think it's not legit. There's people who get fill balances where they get paid, let's say like a hundred thousand dollars and they can only keep 20% of what they win. I got paid a hundred thousand a week. But if I, I lost $80,000. I made only 20,000. Only I made $20,000 that week.
- [91:05]
Graham
Did they tell you how much you have to be gambling?
- [91:07]
Ronaldo
So that was a big thing. I finessed the system. They didn't tell me. So that's why they got mad. That's what I was doing. I was doing $1 spins. I ended up making sure I cashed every single week, $85,000 minimum. They got mad.
- [91:19]
Jack
Did you find that viewership declined doing $1 spins versus Togi, who's doing like a thousand to like 5,000.
- [91:26]
Ronaldo
For sure, it's more entertaining. But it's like, you know, there, there's different, there's different worlds, you know, like look at train wrecks. Train wrecks gets paid over, probably like no exaggeration, like $30 million a month. But people are like, oh, he gets paid 30amonth. He's not actually cashing in 30, $30 million a month. He, he can, but the thing is he gambles it. And that's why he gets paid $30 million a month. Because the guy who runs steak knows, okay, if train wrecks gambles $30 million this month and he loses it all, I won because it's back in my pocket. But if he, if he doesn't gamble, I'm going to be on edge and be like, why would train wrecks is. He's very smart with his money. I've talked to him a lot. But yeah, he could have been getting paid like with affiliate money that's guaranteed.
- [92:08]
Jack
Speaking with a lot of these guys, they're so smart. Like when you actually talk to them, it's so strategic and they're not dumb. Like speaking to Togi, even like just hearing his dedication and passion and like what he's into and like everything is thought out. And I'm seeing on the outside, just looking in, I'm like, oh, dude, this is a. A train wreck. But it's not. Not. And I think a lot goes on behind the scenes. You just have no idea.
- [92:31]
Ronaldo
Yeah, I mean, I can't speak for Togi as much because I don't know him, but, like, train wrecks. Probably one of the most wealthiest people I know who. Who's shown me his wealth. Like, he's wealthy. Yeah, he's very smart with how he does everything, and he's very smart with how he makes money. And the Internet could think these guys are fake. Again, this goes back to what I said. No, at the end of the day, as long as they know they're not fake, and I know I not fake, like, faking my lifestyle or whatever. Like, bro, it's re. It's a real world. I think it's just unfathomable to people like that that there a concept. Like, when I mentioned he was getting paid $30 million a month, you were like, like, I've seen it. I've seen it because I've. I've seen people get paid $4 million a week just off gambling. I've seen these. I've literally, vividly, in person, have seen numbers being transferred. Because it's. It's. It's how it is.
- [93:17]
Jack
You don't have to name anybody. But what's the biggest amount that you've seen?
- [93:21]
Ronaldo
Seen? Oh, I mean. I mean, based on this conversation, it's pretty easy to understand. I'm not going to say his name, but there's a point where someone clicked on their balance on a website, like, in their vault, and it was like. I think it was like 11 million, $12 million just sitting there. And I was like, can you take that out right now? And he took it out. He just took it out. That's what I'm saying. I'm like. I'm like, okay, and what does it.
- [93:45]
Jack
Mean when it's like, in a vault that's just like.
- [93:47]
Ronaldo
That's just like, if you don't want to play with it, if you just want to keep it on the site, it's like a bank for the.
- [93:51]
Jack
I see.
- [93:51]
Ronaldo
But like, he. He took it out.
- [93:53]
Jack
But what about, like, the biggest deals that you've seen in terms of, like, amount per week or per day?
- [93:58]
Ronaldo
Oh, brother. I. I've known. I know people who got paid millions a week, like, just to gamble. Like, I mean, it's. It's a real world because in the return, it's like all these people. Look at us, we're talking about it right now. It that's marketing, you know what I'm saying? They're paying for, they're putting their money for each buck. It's like we're talking about it right now. There's probably someone in this video going to be like, oh, I'm going to go, I'm going to go gamble real quick. Because they talk about it like these guys telling you it's, it's all marketing and it's, it's genius. Is it a lot of money? Yeah, but it's. The gambling world is like money's always coming in, money's always going around. It's like, why would Coca Cola spend millions of dollars every year on advertising if everyone knows what Coca Cola is? It's to stay relevant, you know what I'm saying? So it's like the same concept.
- [94:38]
Jack
What do you think the future is for those sort of streams, like the gambling streams? Do you think they're going to continue cracking down on it?
- [94:43]
Ronaldo
For sure, but it's never going to go anywhere. What do guys you going to do? How are you going to get rid of gambling? It's a, it's a, it's a world thing. It's like a big thing in the world. You know what I'm saying?
- [94:51]
Jack
Probably age, probably age verification where you have to like Submit your ID and be 18 or 21 to like watch these streams. That would, that would crush the industry.
- [95:01]
Ronaldo
But there's a reason they don't do it is because it's a profitable business and they're taking percent. These sites are giving platforms money to be on their site. Like telling you all it takes one.
- [95:12]
Jack
Regulator because they've, they've been starting to do that with the, the hub website websites where they like require that you give id. I wouldn't know, but Jack has been telling me about this.
- [95:21]
Ronaldo
What do you mean? Hub websites, bro.
- [95:23]
Jack
Jack, you haven't heard The Hub, the hub sites.
- [95:26]
Graham
I haven't heard of that. The fact that, the fact that you even have like some sort of nickname for it just goes to show, bro. You're in the trenches.
- [95:34]
Jack
You're Jack.
- [95:35]
Graham
No wonder you like left mid podcast to walk over there.
- [95:38]
Ronaldo
Yeah, it was like a couple minutes.
- [95:40]
Graham
I mean that's not bad. Yeah, it's fast.
- [95:42]
Ronaldo
Yeah. Yeah.
- [95:44]
Jack
Just got check my phone real quick. They post a new video.
- [95:48]
Ronaldo
No, but yeah, it's like it, it. It's an industry, bro. It's never going to. I don't think it'll ever go away even if they do the age verification.
- [95:55]
Graham
So if you're. You're making what, 400,000 or so a month?
- [95:58]
Ronaldo
On good months? Yeah.
- [95:59]
Graham
So like 300 to 400 grand? Yeah, in. In months. I'm curious, who do you think has the deepest pockets then of all the streamers of like, of like, like Aiden Ross or XQC or Train? Those are probably the people I think.
- [96:14]
Ronaldo
Trainer X.
- [96:15]
Jack
Easy.
- [96:15]
Ronaldo
I've known he's told me some things and I've. I've seen it. He's deepest pockets. Easy, Easily.
- [96:22]
Graham
But what about Aiden? Doesn't he own a percentage of like kick and stake?
- [96:27]
Ronaldo
Yeah, Aiden has great money. Great, great money. And I know that too, because I've. I've been to his house before, we've talked. Etc. But XQC is poor. As. By the way, that guy's poor. Like dirt poor. Dirt poor. I'm talking like, he doesn't even have a. No, he's. He's poor, bro. Why is he poor? I just, I don't. With that guy, bro. He just doesn't make an insight. Of course, of course.
- [96:49]
Graham
That's a clip. He's the clip.
- [96:51]
Jack
All right, so where do you invest?
- [96:54]
Ronaldo
Me?
- [96:54]
Jack
Yeah.
- [96:55]
Ronaldo
So right now I have houses. I do a little bit of real estate where I bought houses. I've never done like Section 8 and Airbnbs, but like, I. I'll just buy houses just to maintain for the market. I just actually.
- [97:06]
Jack
Where do you buy houses?
- [97:07]
Ronaldo
I do New Jersey.
- [97:08]
Jack
Oh, really?
- [97:08]
Ronaldo
Yeah, because that's where I'm originally from. Okay.
- [97:10]
Jack
Property tax here is high, though.
- [97:12]
Ronaldo
Yeah. But it's just, it's also more comfort because I know, like, I can go and watch over. I'm about to start getting into people watching over property so I can invest more like a financial company, all that type of stuff. But I do that. I don't do crypto. I don't really do assets. Like watches, I guess, like what you were saying, like back to cars. It's like if you don't drive it. Same thing with watches, I guess that's an asset. It is, but it's like they go up and down. Like, look at the COVID market. Like, that went up, then it went down. So it's like. But most of my money either goes into real estate and then like obviously into like just stocks. Like, I have my management that just puts stuff.
- [97:45]
Jack
Stocks doing, like index funds.
- [97:47]
Ronaldo
Yeah, of course.
- [97:47]
Jack
Okay, cool.
- [97:48]
Ronaldo
But I mean, most of my money, I'm not gonna lie, is it's just like invested into real estate. To be honest. I just, I like, are you getting.
- [97:56]
Jack
A good return on real because with the price is the way they are now if unless you're buying it outright but even if you look at the return buying it outright it's not like.
- [98:03]
Ronaldo
It'S not crazy more comfort for me.
- [98:06]
Jack
It'S just like a security A great.
- [98:08]
Ronaldo
Example is like faze rug like what he's taught me and he's said this too dude. Yeah, he's have you guys him on here?
- [98:14]
Jack
No I would love to get phase yeah, we tried. Oh my God.
- [98:19]
Graham
I met him and I, I was like and because he knew what we were doing I was like dude, you should come on. He was like. He's like I'm super, super down.
- [98:24]
Ronaldo
Yeah.
- [98:24]
Jack
He wanted us to go down to San Diego and we're like yes, win. And he's like I, I don't know this kind of.
- [98:30]
Ronaldo
He's very busy. Yeah but he's taught me he's like I'm not gonna say how many properties he has but every time he gets a check he buys a house after.
- [98:39]
Graham
Outright completely just like a single family home.
- [98:43]
Ronaldo
I, I, I don't know what type.
- [98:44]
Jack
But he'll buy he does like multi a lot of multi family.
- [98:49]
Ronaldo
It out so he owns it. Even if it's a lot of money, he'll buy it out so he owns it. I'm pretty sure rug you can correct me if I'm wrong but this is what he told me and he has a lot of properties and like I just, I get so inspired by that because every time he gets a check he's not blowing it on stupid. It's either his content. Like sure he'll buy like some stuff but like everyone does that. You have a life, you know, you only live once. But he's very smart. He'll buy stuff that he'll know is a return eventually. So like when he decides to be done with YouTube, he's sitting on X amount of money with real estate that's been going up and then also that he can rent out. It's like for you'll be forever safe. You know.
- [99:24]
Jack
He's very smart when it comes to that. But I think he's buying a lot in California. I could be in California.
- [99:30]
Ronaldo
It might be San Diego down there though. Like that might be better.
- [99:33]
Graham
So, so aside from Mr. Beast, who do you think is going to be the second YouTube billionaire or content creator? Oh okay.
- [99:41]
Ronaldo
Easily Jake Paul too. I think Logan Paul will be there before Logan Paul is, he's, he's a, he's just a mastermind with content. He When I'VE met him too. He's very good at, like, just. He's very good at life. And people take think he's a dumb. He's very good.
- [99:57]
Graham
So what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made?
- [100:00]
Ronaldo
The best investment I ever made myself.
- [100:06]
Graham
The $8,000 computer you bought.
- [100:08]
Ronaldo
Yeah, actually, I got a funny investment. My cat. And you're going to think it's a joke. I bought that cat for. I bought a cat. I named him Burger. I bought him for $100. I'm not. This is a true story. You can go on Tik Tok. I bought him for $100. He's made me.
- [100:23]
Graham
Flipped him for 400.
- [100:23]
Ronaldo
He made me millions of dollars. No, he made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. How I. I went so viral because of him. I'm not kidding. Like, when I was playing Fortnite every day, like, when I was coming back, I was playing and I bought this cat and you can literally look it up on Tik Tok Burger. Like, it'll come up as a burger the cat. We're talking like celebrities found him. Like Madison Beer started talking about him. Like, all these people started talking about him. And these clips would generate, no exaggeration. Every time I post him. It'd be like 5 million views, 8 million views, 10 million views. 10 million views.
- [100:52]
Jack
Why?
- [100:53]
Ronaldo
I don't know.
- [100:54]
Jack
What do you mean you don't know?
- [100:55]
Graham
There's something up with Burger.
- [100:57]
Ronaldo
He's just a. It's a funny cat. It's a funny, funny name. And like, this he would do on stream. Like, bro, it's like one of those cats. A hundred dollars. It's like they were gonna probably kill the cat. I don't know. They were gonna do something with the cat. They weren't gonna keep him there. So I bought them. And this was jumping on me on stream, like jumping onto the cameras doing stupid and people just find it hilarious. And it turned into like a character that went viral all over Tick Tock. And people started coming into my streams more. They started watching me. Then they would wait for my cat and then they find me funny. And then they'd stay for me. So I'm not kidding. That was probably the greatest investment I've ever.
- [101:29]
Jack
So people should be adopting more cats. Go to the shelter. Check out the cats. Go to the, like, the shelters and take them from those they don't.
- [101:37]
Ronaldo
So ser. I'm telling you that I'm not kidding. Like, it sounds like a joke. That was my greatest investment. I swear To God. And what's your worst investment? My worst investment? I would say such a answer, but I would say just clothes and jewelry. It's like besides watches, like, I would say like buying like diamonds and, or buying like Balenciaga or like, like that it doesn't matter. And it's such a, it's, it's hard because a lot of kids will do it and I'm a victim to it. It's not about like propaganda, like people like, like streamers wearing it or like YouTubers wearing it, or like athletes or celebrities like, oh, this cool, you should rock it. Or if I walk around with a thousand dollar T shirt, everyone's like, oh, that guy's got a thousand dollar T shirt. He's cool. Cool. I, I kind of grew out of it a lot recently because I'm like, what the am I doing? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'll, I usually like, if I buy expensive like clothes, it'll be like unbranded or you won't be able to tell. Like for instance, a great example is like there's these Balenciaga jeans. But you wouldn't be able to tell they're Balenciaga. They were like 1,500, but I could wear them 10 times in a week and no one would know I'm rewearing them. And it's like that to me is a better investment. Like a logo on my chest, etc. This was a gift. So I mean it's like, do you.
- [102:49]
Jack
Know what this is?
- [102:49]
Ronaldo
This is probably Goodfellow. Nah, Tom Ford is it. That's what I'm saying. If I wore a Good Fellow.
- [102:55]
Jack
And that was a gift too.
- [102:57]
Ronaldo
No, but it probably, but you could wear that 10 times a week and no one's gonna be like that to me is a good investment though, Like a better investment than like, like, bro, I'm not kidding. On my streams every day, I wear a black T shirt. I wear a Good Fellow T shirt. I bought 20 from Target for $20 and I wear it every single day.
- [103:14]
Graham
So they say past a certain point in income, life quality doesn't really increase. Increase. What line would you draw on the income scale? Like where would you say life doesn't get better?
- [103:24]
Ronaldo
Define better though, because everyone finds something better. Like for instance, like I need. If I made a million dollars a month, I'd find my life better right now because I could buy cars that would make me happier. It's not about materialistic.
- [103:32]
Jack
You could buy a Koenigsegg.
- [103:33]
Ronaldo
I could buy a Koenigsegg. Cash.
- [103:36]
Graham
But like, like I would say there's obviously diminishing returns, where it starts to slow down, you know, but like, where would you say really that line is to be drawn? Where it gets, goes from, like, you know, way, way, way better until, like, okay, sure, like, you know, I can get these luxury items that don't really.
- [103:51]
Ronaldo
I would say. I don't know if this is going to answer your question, maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I would say life gets better when you realize you can pay your lifestyle. Meaning, like it depends your lifestyle. Like if your lifestyle is, I want to live in a nice house and have two kids that are going to college and be able to buy a car for them, etc, like that. That's like a lifestyle most people want to live. If you can make a certain amount of money, like for instance, like for me, I think if I even. How much money I have, even my lifestyle right now, if I was guaranteed like $300,000 a year, I could live the life that I want. Is that what I want? No, because I obviously, I want stupid, like cars. I want a stupid house. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what everyone wants in their life. But it's like I could probably comfortably, like, go on vacation with like, what, what would you say, like 250, $300,000 a year? Like you could. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
- [104:38]
Jack
Nicely.
- [104:39]
Ronaldo
That's what I'm saying nicely. Like you could go on vacation multiple times a year. You could. Actually, it depends though, because if we're in California, you lose half of that. So I don't know. But I mean, it's like to me, I. I guess if you want to ask that question once, I'm just like, I get it back in my head. So it's like, what. So, like, what would I be comfortable with making a month or a year?
- [104:56]
Jack
No, like beyond a certain point is.
- [104:58]
Graham
People say beyond a certain point, money stops being, you know, super, super, super enticing. Because like, if you're making, obviously the quality of your life is going to be dramatically better if you're making 60 grand per year than if you're making 10 grand a year for sure. And then like, you know, 100 grand a year still, like way better than 50 grand a year. 150 is still, I feel like a decent amount.
- [105:16]
Ronaldo
I feel like you're always going to chase that though. That's why. Sure.
- [105:18]
Graham
But like past a certain point, like, there comes a time like, you know, the difference between 100 grand a month and 300 grand a month isn't really going to be like the most exciting thing.
- [105:26]
Ronaldo
I feel like you think so.
- [105:28]
Graham
I don't know. I've never made, you know.
- [105:30]
Ronaldo
Well, that's what I'm saying. But that's what you drive to. No. So that kind of answers your own question. It's like, I don't know how much money you make a year, but like, wouldn't you want to, to double that? Wouldn't your life change? And then if you had doubled that, wouldn't you double that again? Wouldn't your life change even more? It's like when some people are like, I wish I could make 100k a month. Okay, what happens when you make 100k a month? Are you gonna wish I want to make 200k a month? Like, I don't know if your life necessarily changes and I don't know if this is even a good answer for your question, but it's like, I don't, I don't really know. I feel like life doesn't change. It's such a stupid answer. But like, I feel like life doesn't change depending on how much money you have. I truly don't. I think if I made, I mean, obviously like if you're like very low class. Yes. But I think like once you reach a threshold of like you're making like middle class, like high end middle class, it's like, which I don't know how much that is right now. I'm out of touch.
- [106:19]
Jack
Probably about 250, I believe is like the high end middle class.
- [106:21]
Ronaldo
If you're making 250 a year, I don't think you're going to see a big difference making 500,000. I agree. But I think you're going to be able to enjoy life more.
- [106:28]
Graham
There we go. That's kind of what I'm getting.
- [106:30]
Ronaldo
I think you'll be able to like, like have more fun, buy more stupid. So in a sense that could make your life better. But if I made a million dollars a year and I make $3 million the next year, yeah, I'm gonna be hype and I'm gonna definitely have more life in me. Just truthfully.
- [106:47]
Jack
So you're talking a lot about manifesting another podcast that I've seen. What are you manifesting now?
- [106:52]
Ronaldo
It's crazy. I. Cause going to what you said, I've manifested every small thing in my life.
- [106:56]
Jack
Yeah, no, I agree with you. I've been very much the same way.
- [106:59]
Ronaldo
Like, yeah, I wanted to be a streamer I figured out a way I wanted to buy a car even when I wasn't making money. I figured out a way I wanted to buy the upgrade of the car. I figured out a way I wanted to come back. I want to join Faze clan at 12. I'm in Faze Clan. You know what I'm saying? I figured out ways. I think manifestation is a real thing and I think it's one of the biggest things in the world because the world runs off like energy. And I think if you put out good energy, you get good energy back. And I feel like if you're a good person, good things happen to you. And it doesn't have to be instant, it doesn't have to be in a year. It could be when you're almost on your day deathbed. You might live another day because you were a good person. That's just how the world works in my head. What are things I'm manifesting now, though? I'm really just manifesting just more success, honestly. Like, I just want to be able to stay in the entertainment business and provide content and provide even motivation like, like this to people who want to be in a position like me or want to exceed the position of me. Like people should want to exceed who I am if they're fans of me. Like they, they, I, I want to inspire people to do that. And honestly, that's like my biggest manifestation is like I just want like good energy around me and I want to put out good, more good energy and hopefully I could stay in the space without overworking myself, you know, Like, I don't want to, I basically just don't want to fall off again. Like, I, I, I don't care how much money I make. I just want to be in the business. Like, I just, I love it. I love the entertainment.
- [108:13]
Jack
You should do more of that, like more inspirational stuff. I know sometimes it could like borderline kind of cheesy, but.
- [108:19]
Ronaldo
No, but that's why I think you.
- [108:20]
Jack
Have a gift when you really sit, say this, that you're just going to inspire like one person who's going to go and take that action.
- [108:25]
Ronaldo
Well, that's the thing. If you have a course of people and you inspired 100 of those people, it's like realistically, out of a hundred, if you inspire a hundred thousand people better now, jeez, like if you inspire a hundred thousand people, let's be real, one of those people are going to be extremely successful. So it's like, that's the whole thing is like the mindset I think people forget is like, if I can inspire one person that one day might exceed my limit, which they probably will, that's like a, that's, that's, that's, that's like a goal of life, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, it's a gift of life. It's like being able to inspire people. And I think people take for granted or they don't comprehend that this is like again, what you said, it's cheesy, but it's like they don't comprehend that this is one life, you know what I'm saying? So like when I die, it's like, what can I actually leave behind? If I can inspire someone or have someone be big and huge, it's like that's a success in life. And to me, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know that's how I am.
- [109:14]
Graham
So if you want to say the one thing that you think can actually inspire the most amount of people, if you're just speaking directly to them, there's going to be a lot of. Listen, listeners here that are like on a long car drive, maybe they're at the gym, maybe they're just like chilling on their couch. They need to hear this one thing. What would it be?
- [109:26]
Ronaldo
If you can't give a hundred percent and you can only give 10%. Right. Of your energy, but you give that 10% of your energy, you gave 100%. Think about it. You understand the quote? You understand it.
- [109:41]
Graham
Whose quote is that?
- [109:42]
Ronaldo
My quote.
- [109:43]
Graham
Oh, no, I get it.
- [109:44]
Ronaldo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But serious though, if you can't give 100% in something in life and you can only give like a 10, 10, and you give that 10, you gave.
- [109:50]
Jack
100, then you're giving a hundred percent of what you have still.
- [109:54]
Ronaldo
That's what I'm saying.
- [109:55]
Jack
Even if it's 10 giving.
- [109:57]
Ronaldo
But that's the problem is most people won't give an effort. That's the thing. And I think failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I think you have to fail. I think you have to make mistakes. I think you have to lose everything to gain everything. You know, that's how I'm here. I lost everything at one point and I understood it, I appreciated it and, and I realized what I had and that I made sure I don't lose it again. You know, I couldn't agree more.
- [110:20]
Graham
And I also think it's important to have a good relationship with failure. So like, if you fail, you're able to like, look back on that failure and see it as like, okay, it's an opportunity. Let me use this failure as a way of learning what not to do. Instead of like, you fail.
- [110:33]
Ronaldo
It's like, what do you do? You just going to quit? Yeah.
- [110:36]
Jack
That's how I've always viewed it. Like, if. If there's some sort of failure, I try to look at that, like, what is this trying to teach me to improve in the future? And like, how is this to going. Going to make the world better?
- [110:46]
Ronaldo
It's the only way.
- [110:47]
Jack
Yeah.
- [110:48]
Ronaldo
And it really is, because it's like the people who see failure and they just quit, it's like, okay, I mean, that's your aspect on life. It's like, you're not going to become rich. You're not going to become wealthy. Saying, seeing a failure and being like it. You know what I'm saying? Like, these guys who are billionaires are like, are they good people deep down? I don't know.
- [111:04]
Graham
They've probably failed way more than they probably failed.
- [111:06]
Jack
You got to watch that video, the jubilee video, the capitalist versus, what was it?
- [111:10]
Ronaldo
Like, socialist.
- [111:11]
Graham
Holy.
- [111:11]
Ronaldo
No, but that's what I'm saying. People are just like, if you seriously.
- [111:14]
Jack
Watch this video, it's like an hour and a half. It is one of the best videos that I've seen on YouTube. Patrick bet David, if you're familiar with.
- [111:20]
Ronaldo
Him, I've heard of that guy.
- [111:22]
Jack
He sits down, he talks about business, money, mindset. And you see the stark difference between the people on the other side, victim mentality. The woe is me, I can't do it.
- [111:32]
Ronaldo
My mom had three jobs after getting divorced and my dad took all the money and she was losing money and she was still putting table food on the table. She was still figuring out ways. I'm telling you, it's a. It's a mindset. It's like these people are victimizing themselves. It's the truth. And the problem is the people who get upset about that, that are watching this video, they're the proof in the pudding. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are the people that I'm talking about. It's like, they don't want to change their mindset because they want to give up on life. And that's why it's so stupid to say, but that's why you're always going to be like, in this, like, matrix.
- [112:01]
Graham
It says, if you heard, you heard what he said. And your initial thought process in response was like, easy for you to say. If, if you're Thinking right now. Easy for you to say.
- [112:11]
Ronaldo
To say.
- [112:11]
Graham
I think he's speaking exactly directly to you.
- [112:13]
Ronaldo
Yeah, because I've been in the position. That's what I'm saying. It's like I'm. I'm. I. I haven't been in position to work a 9 to 5. I understand it gets hard, and I understand it's harder. And I'll never understand that position because I've never done that. I've never had a family where I'm working and I'm trying to put food on the table, whatever. I'm grateful for my life. And it is easy for me to say in that sense. But I also. You can't. The people who live that life, they can't say it's easy for me if they've never lived my life to. How did I get to this point?
- [112:37]
Jack
Point.
- [112:37]
Ronaldo
How did I. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. To. To wrap that part up. It's like, you. You have to. You have to fail. You have to fail, and you cannot let it affect you. As soon as you let it affect you, it's like, all right, you're not. You're gone. It's like that.
- [112:50]
Graham
It's a real failure.
- [112:51]
Ronaldo
Yeah, you're done. You're done. It's your mindset on life. If I had the mindset when I wasn't doing as good viewership wise, it's like, what? I wouldn't have been here. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you just. I hope this video gets a 10 out of 10. No, I'm just kidding. So you guys learn.
- [113:07]
Graham
All right, so we have a tier list for you. There's a fun little thing we're gonna do at the end. Let us know what you thought. Let us know what you think about each streamer. Drag them into whatever category you think.
- [113:15]
Ronaldo
They think about them. In what way?
- [113:17]
Graham
Just in any.
- [113:19]
Ronaldo
I gotta explain.
- [113:20]
Graham
I would say think about them in the first way that comes to mind.
- [113:23]
Ronaldo
Okay, I'll be honest with you. I think one of the. These people. I don't know. Okay, so first is Aiden Ross. I think Aiden Ross will never get the respect that he deserves. I think it's more or less for his controversies that he's had. I think people don't really respect him. A lot of what he's done and how he's built Twitch. I would dick ride all I. Whatever. I think he's s. Tier. I think he's a genius when it comes to stuff. Do I Think he's as passionate as he is now. The truth is no now. And Aiden, if you're watching, I hope you become passionate. You see my text all the time. I've tried telling him I think he could be at a whole new level, a whole new level if he was more passionate. Do I think his work ethic is good right now? Yeah, but he's genuinely. He's a smart person. He's. People think he's a dumbass. He's a smart, smart person. Agent. Agent, I would say. Like I don't see if I put him at bay B tier my dick. No, but I think agent is at the top of bt. Like. No, but the thing is I, I don't. I actually, I'm gonna put agent at a tier only because he streams so consistently. He doesn't care about numbers and he creates actual content like he's a genius when it comes to content. He's very passionate about what he does and I think he, he, he's always going to find success in his own ways. And he's been doing this for like eight years too. He, he's, he's really smart. He deserves everything that he's got. Fousey, Fousey, bro, please don't find me in the random streets and beat me up. I'm gonna have to put you at D tier. The only reason I wouldn't put you at F tier is because you were very successful when it came to content early on to YouTube and then you found success in streaming and then you just went off the rail. Like he went off the rails. Like I feel like he, he didn't really. I don't know, bro. Something was going on mentally. Yeah, sorry.
- [115:14]
Graham
He's got great clips though. Like the vape in the pool. Everything he does does is just viral.
- [115:19]
Ronaldo
He's hilarious. And actually I'd put him at seats here. He's hilarious. But I couldn't put him anywhere above seats here because it's like he's so all over the place. He takes breaks for months, sometimes years and then goes on these rants, etc. Jack Doherty. This is going to surprise a lot of people. Jack DY is the cringiest kid ever. He's a annoying, cringe kid, but it's also funny enough. No one will believe this. It's all an image. I don't think the kid is actually like that. He's a genius when it comes to making money. I know how he makes money. He signs these only fans group girls. He does real estate. He may, he May flex, he may be cringe, he may be stupid, but at the end of the day, like, this kid is doing all this for market value. Like, people are talking about him. We know who he is because he's annoying, cringe kid and he's smart. So he. I would put him at C tier also, but I put him above Fousey because Jack probably knows how to make really good money. Hassan. I don't really watch Hassan. I know that it's obviously political, so I, I can't really take notes on that because I don't watch him. But I know Hassan is like, should I just put a new. What should I do for people? I don't want.
- [116:28]
Graham
Just don't. Just skip it.
- [116:29]
Ronaldo
Okay? But he's smart. Hassan's smart. He knows. He knows how to do Jason. I've had faith in Jason prime since I met him. The day I met him, I known him when he had like 500 viewers. I genuinely think he is an S tier streamer. And I'm not even just saying that because he's my friend. I just know he's S tier streamer because I know he's always going to be figuring out some ways to make content and he's always going to figure out a way to be successful. And I think that's a trait that not a lot of people have, is finding ways to always be successful and always make content. Oh, Johnny Somali. I'm not going to lie. I've never watched Johnny Somali, but I'm pretty sure he's in jail right now. He is. He ruined IRL streaming to an extent. I think he, he, he, he tried going above and beyond and he's the, he's actually the exact thing that people think I am now. Like, I'm an annoying IRL streamer, but I'm not. Like, I know my boundaries. He didn't, he didn't know his boundaries. So what, like beat here S tier F. Kai Sinat. They're going to call me Dick Riding, but kai Sinat is 100,000% s tier. And I only think that because this man figured out ways to shift. The biggest thing is why I also put Aiden here also. And I know the controversy is like, Aiden Ross, Kaison at bro. They both, they're both good in their own ways. Like, Aiden Ross figured out a way to bring the culture onto Twitch. Kaisen, that figured out a way to also bring the culture on Twitch. And like, it's, it's so brilliant how Kai does. His people don't want to give him credit I understand it. It's just how the Internet it is. But he's very smart and he makes great content and he figures out ways to be at the top of the level. He's. He's the top of the top, you know what I'm saying? And I also think he's going to be bigger than streaming. I don't. I don't, don't I. You can quote me now. I guarantee you he will not be streaming probably in two years, if that, maybe even a year. I think he's going to do way bigger things off camera, Whether it be YouTube, whether it be movies, etc. I think it's going to be another form of like how a Logan Paul was. How it's like they're not. He's not a YouTuber no more. He's a. Whatever. I think Kai's not going to be a streamer as much. And if he is going to be a streamer, I think he's going to stream rarely. I think he's going to host like bigger events. Lacy. Fat. Is there a fat one? N. Lacy. Lacy. I would also put at an A tier and not just because he's my friend. I don't know if people are going to be like, oh, a tier that's too high. Maybe he's at the top of B. But I would say he's only a tier only because he's. He is the same way as agent. He streams almost every day. And he also figures out a way to make organic content, whether it be collabing with people, which is hard to do. A lot of people can't collab with people. But he also just makes. He makes content for everybody and his clips, he. He does a lot of stupid and I think he's. I think he's brilliant. People won't give him credit, but I think he's brilliant. And it's obviously funny because I'm putting my friends at the top, but I think that because I'm around them the most, so I know how they are. Who. Who is? I don't know. Entourage. A what?
- [119:26]
Graham
A band.
- [119:27]
Ronaldo
I don't know. He's got a whole entourage.
- [119:30]
Jack
Roadies.
- [119:30]
Ronaldo
Ludwig, I would say Ludwig is also a very. I would say he's highest on a. Only because Ludwig is mainstream, but I feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture. People might think I'm crazy. I feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture of like where if he went to stupid example and he doesn't need this, by the way, but like, if he went to a Travis Scott concert, I don't think anyone's going to crowd Ludwig because it's like a different audience. You know what I'm saying? And he doesn't need that. He is brilliant. He's crazy big on YouTube. He's. He, he has a whole different audience that I can, I don't even have. I would never have that audience. And he, he's at the top of A tier and. But see, the thing is, I put Jason at S tier, so I don't know. But the thing is, I put Jason at S tier because I'm dayto day with him and it's like, I know his plans. I don't know lwig's plans, but I would consider lwig a borderline S tier. He was the first person to break the record on Twitch for the subathon, for how many subs you had. He creates new ideas every day. He's. He's brilliant. Mizk. I'm not really a fan of Mizk. I think he's cool. He does content every single day too, I think. Even if. I don't know, I just, I. I don't watch his content, so I can't give too much on it. But I know he's not a C tier. He's not on the same level as Jack Doherty and Fousey, but I would put him at B only because it's like, I don't watch him, but what I've seen is, is like, it's like more of like older Twitch stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, more like stuff. I don't know. I. I just feel like there's not much advancing from that stuff, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know, maybe I'm. Sounds stupid. Sure. N. Leon. I would put him at A also because he just, he, even though people hate him, even though people think he's cringe, he always figures out a way to collab with some of the biggest names and like, he'll figure out ways he'll put his money where his mouth is. Doesn't matter if he pays clippers, etc, He. He. He's successful and he's, he's. He's at a point so you can't hate on someone who's successful like you. You can't. He finds ways for everything. Ninja. You, ninja. Oh, that probably would have been one of my viral clips too, when I should have mentioned that.
- [121:35]
Graham
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [121:36]
Ronaldo
Me and him had beef. I don't know if you know about that. Yeah, We.
- [121:39]
Jack
We did our research.
- [121:40]
Ronaldo
It might have been the craziest. Yeah, I saw it. Ninja. I'm not going to lie. I looked up to you for a long time. And then obviously, our drama happened. It made me really sad. But I have to give you credit where credit is due. I would say A. See, like, if we're going off right now, I would have to put you at an A. I would put you at an S, but it's like he's not doing what he should be doing right now. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he didn't advance the level he should have with how much popularity he had. But he made Fortnite as big as he borderline made me, if you think about it, because he made Fortnite, which Fortnite made me. Yeah. So I will put him at an A tier because he's still one of the goats and you have to give credit. But I wouldn't put him at S because right now I'm thinking about current state of the Internet, and I feel like he doesn't do as much watch right now. Pokimane. I can't. I don't really watch her. Do I respect her? Yes. But I don't watch her. But I also don't see her stream that much, and I feel like she doesn't do anything crazy. And I saw she dropped a cookie bag for 40 or something like that. I don't know if y' all saw that, but I think she's a genius, and I think she's smart with how she does. She's a business person. At the end of the day, I'd put her at B tier only because I don't watch her and I don't know. And, you know, it's crazy. She's probably gonna see this and somehow get mad and probably never talk to me. Speed. Speed is easily up there on S. And I'd put him there not just because he's the biggest, but he figured out ways where anything he does is just like, it's. It's brilliant. And it's like he. He. He changed how the culture is of streaming. He made IRL streaming, like, way different. Where, like, for me, I would be able to go outside and go to In n out, and people would love it. Speed, he goes to, like, all these places with crazy plan segments, and it turned IRL streaming into, like, what it is today. I feel like. And I feel like a lot of people want to be like, a Speed when they think about. I want to be an IRL Streamer. I want to be a streamer. It's like a speed, you know, So I. Speed is definitely the goat. Tim, the tap man. Again, I'd put him at B only because I don't watch him. And again, he's a gamer. He's very consistent. He's been doing it for like 8, 10 years, 12 years, whatever. And he's been successful all 12 years. So actually I'd put him above. Yeah, I'd put him an A. I'd put Tim, but then I have to put. Yeah, I put him the tap man A because he's just always been consistent and he's always went live no matter what. Tagi. Togi. How do you say his name? Togi. See, I don't really know Togi. I don't watch him. But he's hilarious. He's a rich dude. I'm gonna put him at B though, only because I don't watch him. But I've met him in person one time and it was like 50 seconds and he was hilarious. He was super nice. Really. I really respect him a lot. And he's. He's the dope. He's really good person. Vitali. He's in jail right now. No. Yeah, in Philippines or something like that. Vitali, I'mma put you at D above Johnny Somali because you actually. You bro Vitali, you hate him or not? Early YouTube.
- [124:37]
Jack
Oh, he changed the game. The Miami Zombie game.
- [124:40]
Ronaldo
He. He had some of the best gold.
- [124:42]
Jack
The gold digger pranks.
- [124:43]
Ronaldo
He was the. He was just goated. Etc. He's a good dude though. I'm sure deep down he's just up in the head. I put him at D. Oh my God, Josh.
- [124:53]
Graham
Imagine if he had a content house with him. Johnny Somali and Fousey.
- [124:59]
Ronaldo
Jack Doherty.
- [125:00]
Graham
Imagine that content house. That right there. I think they should do it. And Sam Hyde, dude, I think that would be the.
- [125:05]
Jack
And Josh Block.
- [125:06]
Graham
And Josh Block. That would be the most gift genius content dude they could make. They would be making so much.
- [125:13]
Ronaldo
Especially if they all. So many. Yeah, the whole would die so quickly.
- [125:19]
Jack
Gideon, just doing like.
- [125:22]
Graham
Videos.
- [125:23]
Ronaldo
Bring them to the house. That.
- [125:26]
Graham
That's good.
- [125:27]
Ronaldo
Josh Block. He's f. Only because this kid obviously has problems and they take advantage of him. He. Someone's got to save this kid.
- [125:36]
Graham
I'm not.
- [125:37]
Ronaldo
I don't know what to talk about about this guy because I don't watch him. But like anything I've seen of him, it's sums something's up about him. XQC Poor probably. Yeah, very poor. That's what I've heard. Yeah. Doesn't really have much money. Fakes. He fakes every. He viewbots to every thought.
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Jack
Yeah.
- [125:54]
Ronaldo
Everything that he does is just view botted. It's. It's fake, it's poor. It's just XQC though. Xqc. You're to go, bro. You're up there the same level. No one will ever be able to discredit you. From a Kai to a Speed to an Aiden. Doesn't matter if you have 10,000 views viewers. Doesn't matter if you have a hundred thousand viewers. You are the most successful streamer in ways that people might not ever see. He's. If you go to his Twitch tracker where it shows how many days he's live. He's almost live every single day for the past six years. And we're talking not two hours. We're talking 10 to 24 hours a day for six years. I'm. I'm so serious. He's the only person in the world, I'm pretty sure, right? Yeah. He's the only person in the world who's ever done this.
- [126:35]
Graham
How do you think that's really unhealthy?
- [126:37]
Ronaldo
100%. He. He. He's openly admitted it's unhealthy. And you obviously see the real side of him because he's live so much. That's all. His whole life is documented and. But he's just so brilliant and he set the foundation for Twitch and people don't even realize it. Like the people who, who like. I'm just being honest, bro. It's like even before an Aiden Ross and a Kai and a Speed and a Me. Doesn't matter. It's. It's like XQC was the one doing these IRL streams when they weren't popular. XQC was the one who was playing games when they weren't popular. Making content that people didn't see. Like he's. He's a genius. Do I think he's up to par with everyone now? No. And I'd say that to him just because it's like he knows that though. It's like he doesn't care to keep up with how popularity is now. I think he just streams. Just a stream. But he. He's a genius. He's one of the smartest streamers ever. Cry and we might ever see. I don't know. Cool.
- [127:30]
Graham
Is that the whole list?
- [127:31]
Ronaldo
Yeah. Besides the song, where would you put yourself? I put myself at an A. I'm not an S. I don't think I'M ever going to be an S. I don't think I'll be an S. Only because it's like you have to do so much different to become that level. And personally, I love where I'm at. I'm not comfortable, but it's like I'm happy with it, you know?
- [127:52]
Graham
So you think Johnny Somali is ranked higher than Johnny Joshua Block?
- [127:56]
Ronaldo
Yeah, put Joshua Block up. Put him. Put him up a little bit.
- [127:59]
Graham
All right, we'll put him in B. Yeah, right? That's it. Awesome, dude. Seriously, thank you so much for coming on the iced coffee hour. That was a blast. Really fun to talk to a streamer. We want to get into talking to more streamers, so hopefully this kind of opens up the gates for that.
- [128:14]
Jack
Yeah, dude, really, like, this is one of the more enjoyable ones because I feel like we could just, you know, shoot the.
- [128:20]
Ronaldo
Do me a favor, when you cut up the clips, whoever's doing it, please don't make me look too bad.
- [128:23]
Graham
Okay? Yeah.
- [128:24]
Ronaldo
But I know we can go get whatever you need, but we'll do our best.
- [128:28]
Jack
We'll put your info down below in the description. And yeah, really appreciate this. Big thank you to White Glove Estates. Again, their info is also down below for allowing us to use this. They are a lifesaver. So if you want to check them out, highly recommend it. Especially if you're in Los Angeles.
- [128:42]
Graham
Shout out to you guys for watching. Thank you so much. Shout out. Spencer. He's listening to the audio. Thank you, Spencer. Until next time. See you. Thank.
- [128:49]
Ronaldo
Peace.