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Episode Title: Housing Expert: Do Not Buy A Home Until You’ve Watched This! | Jason Oppenheim
Host(s): Graham Stephan & Jack Selby
Guest: Jason Oppenheim
Release Date: September 22, 2025

Overview

In this in-depth episode, Graham and Jack sit down with renowned real estate broker and TV personality Jason Oppenheim (The Oppenheim Group, Selling Sunset), to dissect the state of the housing market in 2025. The conversation unfurls with Jason’s candid, experience-driven takes on investing, California’s policy missteps, the misconception of a real estate bubble, and personal finance philosophies — all through the no-nonsense tone that defines both the hosts and their guest.

Key Topics & Insights

1. Jason’s Background & Real Estate Credibility

• Jason’s family has been in LA real estate for five generations
  • “Started the Oppenheim Group real estate brokerage. Done about four to five billion dollars in transaction volume.” (00:00)
• Professional highlights: Attorney by training, offices in San Diego, Newport Beach, LA & Cabo; 100+ agents.

2. State of the Housing Market in 2025

A. Is There a Bubble?

• Jason strongly disputes claims of a real estate bubble:
  • “I vociferously disagree. Who the hell says that?...That’s so dumb. There’s a lot of dumb on Twitter.” (01:12, 01:19)
  • “We’ve been coming down. Prices have been coming down, and volume’s been coming down...We’ve had some of the [worst] three years in real estate.” (01:30)
• Volume at historic lows (lowest in 50-60 years).
• Prices have not peaked; major cities are struggling post-COVID, especially Democratic-governed ones like LA and New York, while cities with moderate governance (Miami, Austin) fared better due to policy (lower taxes, less red tape). (01:30–02:52)

B. “Doomed” Cities & Policy Failures

• Problem cities: Miami, Austin, Las Vegas, Nashville (“I wouldn’t get near those places right now.” (00:27, 26:35, 28:21))
• California/LA: “When any one party gets too much control, they veer off track. California’s veered off...because it’s been dominated too long by people that don’t have any pushback.” (00:36, 24:49)
• Effects: Exodus of wealthy, budget shortfalls, stifled growth.
• Critique of LA’s “mansion tax” (5-6% tax on high-value sales):
  • Sales above $5M down 70%
  • Has stifled property tax revenue and underperformed projections (04:10–06:21)
  • Notable: “The UCLA public policy department argued for the mansion tax and then had to come out and say...we were wrong. Essentially the mansion tax has been terrible.” (04:58)

3. LA’s Homelessness & Regulatory Headaches

A. Homelessness & Urban Decline

• Despite $24 billion spent, homelessness is 40-50% worse over eight years in LA.
• “Our policies are terrible...But it just got so bad...it regresses to the mean.” (08:55, 08:51)
• Wealthy are leaving due to taxes and crime.
• Overregulation in building: Impossible ADU permitting, excessive ADA requirements, water system mandates, unnecessary bureaucracy.
• “They don’t pass these things to purposely harm economic activity — they just aren’t smart enough to figure out all the damage they’re causing.” (53:33)

B. Rent Control and Tenant Regulations

• Rent control “hurts the very people it’s trying to help” by disincentivizing new construction and investment (23:30–24:38).
• Tenant protections overreach:
  • Impossible to remove tenants, even in luxury properties.
  • Owners forced to accept tenants with criminal history (“justice-involved individuals”).
  • Rampant, lawyer-fueled litigation is undermining landlord confidence.

“There's no longer just cause eviction. You cannot get a tenant out — that tenant can now live there forever.” – Jason Oppenheim (51:03)

4. 2025-2026 Real Estate & Investment Philosophy

A. Should You Buy or Rent?

• “I’d probably rent for a while. I don’t think real estate’s probably going up. Maybe flatline for a little bit...” (26:35)
• “If you can get a good rental, then rent. I don’t know why people always think, ‘Oh, I don’t want to throw my money away on rent.’ ...If you own, you’re throwing your money away on interest at a bank. It’s no different.” (26:42)
• Avoid booming, overbuilt areas; invest where land is scarce (e.g., Newport Beach).

B. Jason’s Investment Playbook (2025-26)

• Massively leveraged into 30-year Treasury bill ETFs:
  • “I put $2 million into an ETF called TMF, which is like a leveraged...three times leveraged [bet on long-term Treasuries].” (28:48)
  • “You're already going to get a 4 to 5% return. Then if interest rates come down...my $2 million will be worth like $3 million.” (28:51)
• Also holds stock market positions; takes a “macro, common sense” approach — bets against overreaction.
• Skeptical of over-analysis:
  • “Just shut up with all the details, like macro approach. It doesn’t make sense that you could buy a risk-free government bond and get a guaranteed 5% return.” (32:56)

C. Thoughts on Creative/Seller/Subject-To Financing

• Jason dismisses most “creative” strategies:
  • “Anytime anyone even says the word creative financing, I’m like, shut the up, get out of here.” (103:45)
  • No “good way” for sellers to extract their equity or reduce risk with subject-to deals or lease options; best practices don’t support it for sophisticated or high-value sellers.

5. Broader Economic Forces

• AI will be deflationary; puts downward pressure on wages and may push interest rates lower as unemployment rises.
• Mortgage rates at 2% likely won’t return in our lifetimes, but rates around 4.5% are a realistic target. (36:42–37:00)

6. Personal Finance & Philosophy

A. Spending, Wealth & Mindset

• Jason is openly risk-tolerant:
  • “In order to make money, you have to be pretty risky. If you are too careful...you’ll have $2 million in 20 years. More aggressive, probably $5 million.” (63:42)
• Sees money as “fun coupons;” spends freely on cars, travel, friends, and experiences.
• Highest ROI: Spending money on others.
  • “I love being able to do things with my friends...I get the enjoyment of it and they get the enjoyment of it. It’s a great thing.” (68:30)
• On optimal wealth: Enough to keep appreciating nicer things, but not so much you stop appreciating anything. (68:51–70:41)
• “Money does buy happiness. People tell you that it doesn’t, but I think it does...Money definitely buys happiness though...spend it on your friends.” (71:42)

B. Financial Anxiety, Stress, & Therapy

• Jason’s journey: Therapy and “don’t sweat the small things” have made him a better boss and happier person.
• “99% of things resolve themselves, 99% of things, when you look back on them six months later, were not nearly the big deal that you thought they were.” (84:13)
• Uses personal notes and ChatGPT as reflective self-coaching tools.

7. Billionaire Psychology & Social Realities

• No “magical” trait to being a billionaire: Intelligence, critical thinking, and hard work are necessary, but luck/place & time play bigger roles than people think.
  • “I think you could replace top 1,000 wealthiest people in America with probably a million other people and nobody would know.” (92:17)
• Billionaires typically avoid a victim/entitlement mentality. Grit, realism, resilience are what matter.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Anyone with common sense can see it’s true...The LA Times...has come out...saying [the mansion tax] has been an abject failure.” – Jason (06:54)
• “No one’s going to do that — there’s no discretion, there’s no common sense. It’s too bureaucratic.” (15:02)
• “People are just so stuck in their ways and they just double down and bulldoze through without pulling back and saying, hey, maybe there’s another way to do this.” (39:16)
• “Don’t even get me started on entitlement...My response to people who even use the word is — no, you’re not [entitled]. None of us are.” (44:40)
• “You have a problem because I went gambling with you and you lost like $30 and you got so upset. I was like, dude, I’m like losing like $7 grand, and I don’t even give a.” (79:35)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Bubble Talk & Market Analysis: 00:12 – 02:52, 07:15 – 08:01
• LA & CA Policy Critique: 03:02 – 06:48, 08:51 – 13:37
• Homelessness Discussion: 08:51 – 09:36
• Mansion Tax Breakdown: 04:10 – 06:21
• Regulatory & Tenant Issues: 13:37 – 16:02, 51:03 – 55:32
• Should You Buy/Rent in 2025: 26:33 – 28:21
• Investment Strategies: 28:38 – 34:10
• Rent Control & Incentive Problems: 23:30 – 24:49
• Spending Philosophy, Wealth & Therapy: 63:21 – 79:21
• Luck Versus Skill Among Billionaires: 90:57 – 99:35
• Boss Philosophy, Motivation & Therapy: 99:38 – 88:47

Conclusion

This episode is a candid, conviction-driven ride through the current chaos of the real estate market. Jason Oppenheim’s advice is cautious yet practical: avoid hot markets where supply is plentiful; be wary of cities with anti-growth policy environments; invest sensibly and don’t let the fear of “throwing money away on rent” drive your decisions. But beyond the market, the episode is packed with life wisdom — about risk, abundance, happiness, and the value of unlearning stress. If you want a shrewd, unvarnished take on where to put your money — and how not to lose your mind over it — Jason’s perspective is unmissable.