“It’s DISGUSTING!” Logan Paul Breaks Silence on $16M Pikachu, Getting Married, & Spending Everything

Summary

The Iced Coffee Hour — Episode Summary

Episode Title: “It’s DISGUSTING!” Logan Paul Breaks Silence on $16M Pikachu, Getting Married, & Spending Everything
Air Date: March 1, 2026
Hosts: Graham Stephan & Jack Selby
Guest: Logan Paul
Location: Logan Paul’s home, Puerto Rico

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Brief Overview

In this unfiltered, wide-ranging conversation, internet megastar, WWE wrestler, entrepreneur, and collector Logan Paul sits down with Graham Stephan and Jack Selby. They dive into Logan’s unparalleled spending habits—including on a record-breaking $16M Pokémon card and a $4M wedding—the inner workings of his finances and businesses, how criticism shapes his worldview, and the psychology behind risk-taking, discipline, and internet fame. The episode covers controversial topics head-on, including public misconceptions, his storied past, the real drivers of his success, and brotherly rivalries.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The $16.5M Pikachu Illustrator Card Sale (02:00–12:00)

• Why Sell Now? Logan describes the surprise at the final bid far exceeding expectations ($16.5M vs. his estimate of $10.7M), and shares the underlying logic for liquidating even a prized collectible: “I’m good at making money. I’m even better at spending money, guys.” (03:12)
• Thoughts on Auctions: Explains how auction house premiums work and his unique financial arrangement for the sale, including a $2.5M advance and 15% of the buyer’s premium (09:00).
• On Collectibles Over Stocks: “What am I going to do with the stock, bro? ...I go to the vault, I look at my card and I feel good. I feel like Ash Ketchum out there, bro.” (51:01)

2. $4 Million Dollar Wedding & Spending Philosophy (03:45–07:14)

• Logan details the costs and rationale behind throwing a $4M wedding at Villa d’Este, Lake Como—even though the planned HBO reality show tie-in didn’t materialize.
• Flowers Alone? “They came to me with a 500k flower budget. I said, baby girl, they’re flowers!” (04:13)

3. Money, Motivation & Discipline (11:36–15:42)

• Consistency: Logan attributes his resilience and "winning" primarily to daily discipline and consistency, regardless of external perception or criticism.

  "I would bet on someone who is consistently good way more than I would bet on someone who is infrequently great. Consistency is everything." (12:45)

• Goal Setting: Advocates for writing down and vocalizing goals as powerful motivators.

4. Collection Strategies: Taste Over Investment (28:51–34:09)

• On Value Addition: Logan discusses how his personal branding and storytelling drive massive premiums on collectibles like Pokémon cards and even dinosaur fossils (29:00).
• Why Dinosaurs? “When I come downstairs in the morning and I see a 66 million-year-old Triceratops skull, it puts my humanity in perspective.” (55:25)
• Collecting Taste: “Very rarely [do I buy for investment]. It's taste. I buy things I'm interested in. Hopefully they hold their value.” (48:34)
• Spending Example: “I spent $5.3 million on a Pokémon card. And, like, people thought I was insane.” (01:17, 28:39)

5. Public Perception, Criticism & Internet Culture (17:19–23:15, 78:52–90:53)

• On Misconceptions: Logan distances himself from trying to please everyone and says happiness is the ultimate goal:

  “The ultimate goal for every human being should be to become happy... if I’m an unhappy person, none of it fucking matters.” (18:01)

• On Online Rumors & Narratives:

  “People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important or objective.” (82:05)

• Invalid Criticisms: Rebuts the 'scammer' label and details efforts to prove good intentions, sometimes in court (78:55).

6. Family, Brotherly Dynamics, and Competition (93:00–99:32)

• Relationship With Jake: Their bond is stronger than ever despite public spats.

  “We’ve had a bunch of ups and a bunch of downs. But... the downs make the relationship that much stronger if you can work through them.” (93:55)

• Sibling Rivalry: Honest discussion around jealousy, competition, and their respective strengths.

7. Businesses, Net Worth, and Financial Exposure (39:32–47:56, 61:15–78:47)

• Business List: Prime, Lunchly, Anti Fund, WWE, Impaulsive, Rip It, YouTube, and family.
• Surprisingly Low Liquidity: “You’re way off on the liquid... Guys, I spent money.” (45:17)
• Prime & Handling Scandals: Addresses litigation, false rumors (like "forever chemicals"), and navigating being an ‘influencer brand’ in a legacy-dominated market.
• On Not Chasing Money: “Money seems to be a byproduct of the things I love doing.” (27:35)

8. Alternatives to Traditional Investing (52:27–59:18)

• Logan consciously avoids stocks, preferring tangible or personally meaningful assets.
• Dinosaur Investment: “Dinosaurs are one of the best asset classes to invest in, in my opinion, because it’s also the coolest piece of art you will ever see.” (54:54)
• Philosophy: Owning unique items for the joy and narrative value—potentially boosting their value due to his own brand’s storytelling power.

9. Physical & Mental Fitness as Foundations (100:07–107:04)

• Priority on Fitness: Logan argues fitness precedes financial or other life success.

  “Fitness is the first step to greatness, without question. If you’re not taking care of yourself, how the fuck can you take care of anything else?” (100:07)

• Consistency in Workouts: Six days a week, detailed unique routines like weighted jump roping (102:55).
• Discipline & Routine: Attributes much of his stability to fitness discipline.

10. Reflections on Failure, Lessons, and Authenticity (116:25–119:13)

• On Adversity:

  “Most people that are very impressive have come across a lot of failure... Your response to failure will determine if you become successful or a real failure indeed.” (116:49 – Graham)

• Advice for Viewers:

  “Try to structure some discipline in your life. ...Find the thing that makes you tick.” (112:59–115:52)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• Logan on Consistency:

  “I would bet on someone who is consistently good way more than I would bet on someone who is infrequently great.” — Logan (12:45)

• On Why He Sold the Pikachu Illustrator:

  “I’m good at making money. I’m even better at spending money, guys.” (03:12)

• On His Own Spending Logic:

  “What am I going to do with the stock, bro? ...I go to the vault, I look at my card and I feel good. I feel like Ash Ketchum out there, bro.” (51:01)

• Reflections on Fame & Criticism:

  “People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important.” (82:05)

• Wedding Cost Rundown:

  “They came to me with a 500k flower budget. I said, baby girl, they’re flowers!” (04:13)
  “Half of the wedding was the venue—$2 million out the door... because it’s the only way they would let us film there.” (07:07)

• On Investing in Collectibles over Financial Assets:

  “More of my net worth was in cardboard than any financial advisor would tell you makes any sense.” (50:24)
  “Dinosaurs are the greatest species to ever roam the earth... To own a piece of that... Nvidia stock can’t make me do that.” (55:25)

• On Wealth and Happiness:

  “If I’m an unhappy person, none of it fucking matters.” (18:01)
  “It’s made me more appreciative, which I think manifests itself in interesting ways.” (59:21)

• Fitness Priority:

  “Fitness is the first step to greatness, without question.” (100:07)
  “Put on your sneakers and walk into a gym and see what happens.” (101:46)

• The Hard Truth about ‘Victim Mindset’:

  “I think a lot of people are generally unhappy even if they don’t know it... The only way to make themselves feel better is to pretend everything is happening to them.” (110:47)

• Why He Still Makes Risky Moves:

  “I have a bit of occupational ADD where, like, I cannot function if I’m only working on one or two things. I have to keep my mind busy.” (46:44)

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Finance & Business Highlights

• Net Worth Breakdown: Google estimates of $150M liquid are “way off”; real liquid assets much lower due to lavish spending (45:17–45:24).
  • Large exposures: Puerto Rico real estate, high-end collectibles, large stakes in Prime and new ventures like “Rip It.”
• Unconventional Approach: No stock market investments, limited bonds/treasuries—prefers tangible assets he can enjoy, with high narrative and cultural value.

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Logan’s Life Lessons & Advice (Scattered, Keyed at 12:45, 100:07, 112:59)

• Consistency and discipline are foundational—prioritize showing up, even on low-motivation days.
• Set, write, and vocalize specific goals; manifestation through clarity and repetition helps.
• Invest energy in what makes you come alive—passion often precedes profit.
• Criticism is inevitable—focus on authenticity, not people-pleasing, and realize you can’t control public narratives.

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Rapid-Fire & Fun Moments (121:14–124:48)

Who wins in a fight?
Boxing — Jake; MMA — Logan (121:30–121:36)

Mount Rushmore of Social Media Creators:
Mr. Beast, Speed, Smosh, Mark Rober (122:42–124:15)

Most famous contact:
The Rock, Kevin Hart, Tom Brady (124:31–124:48)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:00] Pikachu Illustrator Card Sale
• [03:45] $4M Wedding Breakdown
• [11:36] Secret to “Winning” – Consistency & Discipline
• [28:51] Collectibles, Value Building, and Taste
• [39:32] Business Ventures, Net Worth
• [45:17] Real Net Worth & Spending Habits Revealed
• [51:01] Why Avoid Stocks? Emotional Value of Collecting
• [55:25] Dinosaur Collecting Philosophy
• [78:52] Online Narratives, Criticism, and Court Fights
• [100:07] Fitness as the First Step to Success
• [112:59] Logan’s One Piece of Advice
• [121:14] Rapid Fire — Logan vs. Jake, Fun Questions

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Tone & Style Notes

• Candid, self-aware, and sometimes self-deprecating; Logan mixes bravado with reflection.
• Humorous, banter-filled exchanges among all participants.
• Willingness to address criticism and mistakes head-on, without shying away from controversy.
• Highly motivational, particularly regarding discipline, consistency, and pursuing passion.

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In Closing

This is a landmark episode for those interested in the realities of influencer wealth, risk-tolerance, and how to build a multifaceted empire exuding both passion and controversy. Logan Paul’s advice and financial approach are unorthodox, sometimes criticized, but consistently focused on living fully, loving what you do, and leveraging the immense—and sometimes absurd—liberation that comes with going all-in on your interests.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Logan Paul]

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[Graham Stephan]

It is absurd. How you stay winning. What is the one thing you chalk

[Jack Selby]

all of that up to, bro?

[Logan Paul]

You gotta have discipline regardless of how you or others feel. I take big risks and I like to make money and I like to spend it more.

[Graham Stephan]

What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs but zero in the stock market?

[Logan Paul]

What am I gonna do with the stock, bro? I spent $5.3 million on a Pokemon card. And like, people thought I was insane.

[Jack Selby]

What does your current collection look like today?

[Logan Paul]

Gangster?

[Graham Stephan]

Logan Paul, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee hour. What an honor.

[Logan Paul]

Thank you. Thank you for coming to my house. You guys made this easy for me. I really like your work and I think you're, I think you're good interviewers. I think you're good conversationalists.

[Graham Stephan]

Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Logan Paul]

You guys compliment each other.

[Graham Stephan]

Well, we have to ask you. This past week, you sold the most expensive trading card ever in history. $16.49 million for the Pikachu Illustrator card. I just got to know being in this house, this just absurd house. Let's be real here. This, it's beautiful. It's gorgeous. It's in Puerto Rico. You have an amazing yard.

[Logan Paul]

Thank you.

[Graham Stephan]

Everything is to a tee. Why even do it? Why even sell the card? Does the money even make a difference?

[Logan Paul]

That's a great question. Um, I didn't know you were gonna open with this. You'll find my, my brain takes a second to wake up. I, I, I find I'm, I'm always tired these days. Like, I'm always tired. Okay. Why even do it? Okay, well, it's easy to say now. Why even do it? You know that you, you, you already have like everything you need. And that's so true. But I also spend a lot of money. And we did not know that it was going to sell for that much money.

[Graham Stephan]

No one had any idea.

[Jack Selby]

What did you think it would sell for?

[Logan Paul]

My guess was 10, 7. $10.7 million. That's what I was saying. And I. And I felt confident in that guess. I. I felt confident it would hit $10.7 million. Even on polymarket, the over. Under for $16 million was, I think, like 10, 15%. So even.

[Jack Selby]

Even.

[Logan Paul]

Even traders on polymarket weren't entirely sure about what this thing was going to sell for. And so now it's. It's easy to look back and be like. Like $16 million card, man. Like, it's an auction, guys. It's an auction, and it entirely depends on how much people are willing to pay for it. Why sell the card? I'm good at making money. I'm even better at spending money, guys. I spent. I spend. I spend absurd amounts of money on things that I like are sometimes not good investments. I spent a lot of money on a wedding.

[Jack Selby]

How much was the wedding?

[Logan Paul]

I mean, yeah, we're talking about money on this podcast. I spent $4 million on my wedding. So, like, $4 million. Where does that go?

[Jack Selby]

How do you do that?

[Logan Paul]

I could show you the budget.

[Graham Stephan]

I would love to see, like, how much did just the flowers cost for your wedding, bro?

[Logan Paul]

Like, I'd say, correct me, I'm wrong. Probably between 250,000.

[Jack Selby]

What?

[Logan Paul]

$400,000? Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

That is more. That is like 10 times your wedding. Like, that is Bo.

[Logan Paul]

Boys.

[Jack Selby]

It's a house.

[Logan Paul]

I cut that down. I cut that down. They came to me with, like, a 500k flower budget. I said, baby girl, their flowers, like, what do you like how the arc. The arc for the. For where we were standing was like $50,000.

[Jack Selby]

Do they know it's you? And do they say, oh, this is Logan, but we could charge a little more.

[Logan Paul]

It's entirely possible. I also do think, generally, I think you get what you pay for. Our wedding planners, the Lake Como wedding planners are very good. They're very good. And we got what we paid for. It was. It was the best three days of my life. And so I'm not going to lie to you. Before the wedding, when I knew I was dropping $4 million on this, and, you know, like, you're paying for an experience, but, like, it goes away. That's. That's a sunk cost. You're $4 million. So it's. This better be the best three days of my life and genuine, generally or genuinely.

[Jack Selby]

It was.

[Logan Paul]

It was the best three days of my Life and like, I think a lot of the people there as well. And so at the end of it, I was okay with going, okay, I spent $4 million for everyone that I know and love to have an unforgettable weekend. Like a weekend so memorable. If you're on your deathbed and you're like final, you're like, images are flashing through your life, like, I think the wedding is going to pop up for most people.

[Jack Selby]

I would agree with that. I agree with you.

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, it better be $4 million.

[Jack Selby]

But you weren't even there for my own wedding.

[Logan Paul]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Selby]

Yes. Well, I'm on my deathbed. I'm gonna remember the videos of your wedding.

[Logan Paul]

I should have come. That would have been fun.

[Graham Stephan]

I just can't fathom $4 million. Like why, why four? Why don't you just stop at three? Is the difference between three and $4 million really that much?

[Logan Paul]

I'll tell you what happened. We were shooting a reality show called Paul American. When I do something, I generally go all in. And we had shot season one. We were getting ready for season two and we were waiting to see if it got picked up by hbo. That's when we were scouting wedding venues. And I figured the wedding would be a good season finale for potential season two. I fell in love with this one venue. It's called Villa d'. Este. It is a top three hotel in Italy and in Lake Como, it's like probably number two. I fell in love with it, like, which sucks for me because if I fall in love with something and I have to have it, and I do have the money, although financially irresponsible, but I have the money. I tend to like make that decision. And so I committed to this villa, which was a three day buyout of 150 rooms at the one of the nicest hotels in Lake Como. So, bro, it's $2 million out the door. $2 million.

[Jack Selby]

That was half of the wedding.

[Logan Paul]

Half of the wedding, yes. Was, was, was the venue. Because it's a full buyout. Sorry.

[Jack Selby]

Wow.

[Logan Paul]

It. I had to buy it out in full because it's the only way they would let us film there. And I did that thinking we were going to get a season two for our reality show. And then the reality show did not get picked up for season two. So I'm, I'm already in. I can't like back out. And $2 million out the door, which I thought like the production would pick up a little bit of the expense because it's the season finale. It's like we're doing it for the show. And so I ended up just eating that cost which, which stung a little bit. But again like the experience at the end of it was like, guys, I'm telling you, the best three days of my life. If I could hit a button and go back to that weekend, one moment in particular for the rest of my life, like you, just you. It's a priceless moment. So like the $4 million is a wash, but it's still $4 million. And so I'm looking at that, looking at this house I just bought, not cheap. And I'm like, man, the Pokemon market's popping. If there were ever a time to sell this card, if there were ever a time to sell this card, it would be right now. Ken Golden Maniac gives me an insanely healthy offer. I thought

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[Logan Paul]

invites me to his office. He says he's going to give me a two and a half million dollar cash advance and a cut of the entire Overall Pokemon/TCG auction. I thought okay, two and a half million dollar advance. 115 of the hammer price, which I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you guys like that. No one knows because I respect you and I like your podcast and it's also like a financial podcast.

[Jack Selby]

And like I think that's stuff I'm so into.

[Logan Paul]

That's kind of the point of it and I know you're into it. So yeah, 115 of the hammer price, which means I think the final bid was 13.3 million if I'm not mistaken, or 13.8.

[Jack Selby]

I believe it was something like that.

[Logan Paul]

Something like that. That's 100%. So I get 115% of it. So on auction houses they have what's called a buyer's premium. It's essentially the fee that the auction house takes for putting everything together, finding the buy, the bidders, finding the item and just that's their, that's their finder's. Fee, if you will. The buyer's premium on my Pikachu illustrator was 24%, which is high. That's high. But typically they're all like 20% anyways, which is, which is high. I've always found that high. I'm a bidder at auctions and when I'm bidding, I'm like, like an extra 20%. Like, like for the auction house. Like, damn. But that's, that's just the name of the game. That's, that's the name of the game and that's the magic of the auction. The, the, the model that is an auction. So the, the, the buyer's premium on my Pikachu illustrator was 24%. Well, I got 15% right. So 15%. This, the math is weird on this. If the buyer streamer was 24%, 15% of that went to me, plus an additional 4% of the entirety of the auction.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay, so every single person we talk to on YouTube, we always ask who is winning at the end of the day. Like, everyone looks at YouTubers lives and like, wow, like that sounds incredible. Like by 100%, by all means. Like we live very, very lucky lives as YouTubers, but as YouTubers, you're always comparing yourself to someone else. It's human nature.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I agree.

[Graham Stephan]

Everyone looks at you and they always say, Logan Paul and Jake Paul are winning. And by winning we mean, like, regardless of whatever is happening in the world, you guys will stay on top. In terms of popularity, in terms of money, in terms of family, in terms of like, overall quality of life, the amount of opportunities, the connections, what you're doing in life. It is absurd how you stay winning. I'm just curious, what is the one thing you chalk all of that up to?

[Logan Paul]

A lot of things come to mind when I want to answer that question. The most simple way I could answer that question is probably saying the answer is probably consistency. Consistency, regardless of how you or others feel. And I mean that in the sense of if I wake up and I don't want to go to work or I don't want to go exercise, like I don't really care how I feel. I've made like a commitment to, to be great and I have these goals that I want to achieve. So like 99% of the time I'm still going to hit the gym or I'm going to go answer the emails. Contrarily, when I say how others feel, obviously like you guys are sitting with like a polarizing human being and there's a lot of noise out there, some of it warranted, a lot of it not warranted, but there's noise for everyone. How you or the people online feel about me is completely irrelevant to me. I don't care. I'm going to stay consistent and show up for myself, my family and my goals every single day. I would bet on someone who is consistently good way more than I would bet on someone who is infrequently great. Consistency is everything.

[Graham Stephan]

If that answer bothers you, then I recommend looking inwards and seeing what is it, because on paper, objectively, you are winning. And I 100% agree. Consistently good beats inconsistently great, without question. For those that are listening right now that want to add consistency into their life, how do you do it? Like, what is the source of this motivation? Even on days where you're not feeling it?

[Jack Selby]

Do you think you were born with that, man?

[Logan Paul]

I don't know. Some. Some things I'll definitely be like, yes, I think, like, I was genetically wired in that way this way. I don't think so. I think, I think I was conditioned this way by, by my parents, specifically my father. But it can be like, learned. It can be influenced into someone. Like, I always, I say this a lot as well. Like, allow yourself to be influenced and inspired by people. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think. I don't think people do that enough. Like, when they see someone online, it oftentimes feels like comparative, which is like you said, that's like a natural human condition. Like, like I see them doing something and I compare myself to them. Okay, that's fair. Maybe they're doing something that you envy or that you like. But for me, I, I allow that to inspire me. Like how? Like, okay, that's awesome. What can I learn from that person? So allow yourself to be inspired. But the answer to your question is this is where it gets kind of hard, bro. You gotta have discipline. You gotta be disciplined. And that's, that is a, that is a difficult thing for a lot of people because to be disciplined, you have to have like a motivation that. I'm not entirely sure where that always comes from. I can rationalize my motivations and why I'm so disciplined, but you have to be disciplined. I will say for me personally, and I found this as like a 14 year old, being goal oriented really helps. Having goals, like goals that you write down on a paper and that when you achieve them, you can take your pen and just cross it off the paper. Something, something about that to me is, is deeply fulfilling. You walk into my office over there and you'll see goals on a piece of paper with a few of them crossed out and it's like goals, agenda items, thing to do, things to do. Because I think when a you vocalize your goals, B write down your goals, C. Visualize your goals like you are what you attract. You really are what you attract. It's, it's called manifestation is what I'm talking about. Some people call it prayer. I call it, it's, it's kind of like can be considered the same thing. But be becoming goal oriented I think is very important. And having discipline is, is absolutely essential for any amount of success now with

[Jack Selby]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack Selby]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack Selby]

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[Jack Selby]

What do you feel like people most misunderstand about you?

[Logan Paul]

My, my knee jerk reaction to that question is I'm not sure if I concern myself too much with what people think of me. Maybe I did at a point in my career, but like, I'm 30 now, okay? Which is even crazy to say. And it's different than being 29 for all the 29 year olds out there. Like, it's, it's different. I'm, I'm 30 years old. Like now I'm not like a young kid who's successful now. I'm just a rich white guy. Like that. That is the difference when people say, look, yo, how old are you? When I was 29, they'd be like, dude, he's so young. Wow, good for you. Whole world ahead of you. How old are you? 30. They go, they go, oh. And I have to just sit there and be like, yeah.

[Jack Selby]

I'm like, why don't you lie to say you're 29?

[Logan Paul]

Can't lie. Can't do it. I'm 30, bro. I have a wife and a kid. I have a wife and a kid. I think in my youth, I spent a period of time going, why doesn't everyone like me? I want to be universally liked. And I have come to understand that for every person online or a celebrity influencer, anyone who's putting themselves out there, that is unrealistic. It's so unrealistic. The sooner you can swallow that pill, the happier you will be. And by the way, we can sit here on this podcast and talk about success and money and career accomplishments. The ultimate goal for every human being being should be to be, become happy. What, what more can you ask for than being happy? Peace of mind. And that's, that's hard. That's hard. And maybe the other stuff helps you get there, but like, for all of this is great and I'm, I have so many blessings in my life, but if I'm an unhappy person, none of it fucking matters. And so for me, when I realized, oh, I, I, I cannot please everyone. And because I know I can't do that, I'm going to stop trying to rationalize their thoughts. I'm just going to try to live the best honest life that I can with people that I love and raise a family and hopefully be happy along the way. That's where I check that box.

[Graham Stephan]

You know, I. People probably want us to be hypercritical of you, and you should.

[Logan Paul]

And you, you you should.

[Graham Stephan]

Where? I feel like I have an educated opinion on it. But one thing I remember. You definitely don't remember this. Years ago. How many years did we go to his house in la?

[Jack Selby]

Five years ago.

[Graham Stephan]

Five years ago we went to your house in LA because Graham bought a pack from you. You were there when you did the live stream. Yes.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah, we picked up the. We got the Gyarados.

[Logan Paul]

I know, I know, I know.

[Jack Selby]

I remember.

[Logan Paul]

I remember you.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, yeah, I was there, bro.

[Logan Paul]

My memory.

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, you meet literally millions of people.

[Jack Selby]

Also.

[Logan Paul]

Also hit my head for a living. Like, it's like.

[Graham Stephan]

So I remember I took a picture with you. I posted on Instagram. People couldn't believe that I met you. Like, my hometown friends, whatever, they all asked me, how was it, you know, oh, Logan, I heard he's like, kind of like a D bagger. He's this or he's that. A lot of people also were like, holy cow. Like, you met Logan Paul. That's the coolest thing ever. And they asked, how was it? And I remember thinking to myself, you had no reason, not a single reason in the world to hear me out. I'm a random dude, right? And then I remember I. I said something to you and you didn't quite understand. You could have just blown me off. And you're like, wait, what was that again? Like, I want. I want to hear your thoughts on this. And I was like, like, this is interesting. When he's talking to me, he's not focusing on anything else. You were genuinely just focused on that exact moment. Even though I'm a complete random stranger, 22, 21 years old, nothing going on, really. Some stuff going on. You had the space to, like, listen to me, which was really interesting. And then I met you again when we filmed with Jake. Same exact thing. Like, I was there. You were 100% all attentive, all in on the conversation. Your focus was unmatched. And the same thing even goes today. It's like, you know, maybe one day I'll become wildly successful so it could pay you in dividends, who knows? But also, back in the day, you had no reason to listen to me whatsoever, but you did, which I was like, I was impressed by. I was like, I felt honored by. And at the end of the day, I think you're a really good, just inspiring person because, you know, you look at your. Your stats on paper and you're winning. That's just. There's. There's no contest in the fact that you're winning.

[Logan Paul]

I appreciate you saying that I try to give everyone the time of day. I do think people's thoughts matter, and I want to hear them out. But ultimately, at the end of the day, it's like, a thought or an opinion.

[Jack Selby]

What.

[Logan Paul]

How do I feel about it? And whatever you were saying, obviously, like, I thought had some merit. And you are, like, a smart individual, and you are on a path to great success, I think, with this podcast especially. But, you know, using this as a stepping stone for, like, other stuff you want to build or do I think is. I think it's good. But I try to give people the time of day, and I try to lock in. I don't want to be one of those, like, celebrities or, like, wealthy individuals who does this to you. And I'm sure you guys come across this. We, like, out and about and, like, talking to you. And if you're talking to me, it's like they're kind of, like, looking past you, and they're, like, seeing, like. Like, what's. What's beyond this conversation. And I. I want you to know, I experience that even, like, having some accolades myself. I'll meet people who. I'll be out and about at a social gathering, and it's the, like, looking past, talking to me kind of like. Like, to me, when people do that, it's like, it's a little bit, like, this doesn't interest you enough. And I do think that the ability to listen is an underdeveloped skill that most people have, and the answer to a lot of people's problems when it comes to, like, social dynamics or even conversation, like, open your ears and, like, really listen. I took acting classes for a while, and they harped on listening in being the thing that will enhance your acting ability. It's even that way in wwe. Like, like, to. To be believable in wwe, which is, by the way, where I find the pocket. If you open your ears and you're really listening to what the guy across from you is saying, you can go anywhere with it, especially if you know your why. But that's another conversation.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay. I mean, I want to dig into that. And, like, I point is, this is a money podcast. We got to dip into the finances. No matter how much I want to talk about all that stuff. Circle back finances. Okay, what was the first big check that you got and what did you spend it on?

[Logan Paul]

I was a Viner. Rest in peace. I got a deal with Pepsi, and they were gonna pay me $36,000 for three vines. That's 12K a vine, bro.

[Jack Selby]

Was that your first deal?

[Logan Paul]

It was not my first deal. It was my first big deal. My first deal was actually for a product I still use to this day on my phone. It's called the Fly Grip. This one's broken. What a horrible display for them. But I'm just getting over sickness. That's why I keep hacking up a lung. This one's broken. But I. I use the product to this day and I asked them for 10 equity back in the day. They said no.

[Graham Stephan]

Have they blown up?

[Logan Paul]

No.

[Graham Stephan]

That's crazy. You still use it, bro.

[Logan Paul]

10 years. It's. I put it on every phone case. This one's broken again. You guys should have given me the equity. But I guess it doesn't matter anyways. Yeah, but I think this, the site's like, right? Yeah, yeah. Like they, they did not optimize.

[Jack Selby]

Okay.

[Logan Paul]

And. And I am obsessed with the product. That was my first deal. $2,000, by the way.

[Graham Stephan]

Wow.

[Logan Paul]

$2,000 as an 18 year old.

[Jack Selby]

But you went from 2,000 to $36,000?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I was rich.

[Jack Selby]

What do you. What did you spend the money on?

[Logan Paul]

I bought a 2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8.

[Jack Selby]

All of it? The whole thing? Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Was it worth it? Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

When? 169 in that beast. Where? On the way to Vegas.

[Jack Selby]

You're supposed to say Tijuana. In Tijuana somewhere in Mexico. Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

There was. There was a strip from LA to Vegas.

[Graham Stephan]

We do that drive all the time.

[Logan Paul]

You do it? You know it?

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

There's a strip there where you can rip it. Whoa, that's cool. I'm starting a company called Rip it, so it's cool to use it in a different context where you can rip, bro. So there was one time. Do you know the drive From Vegas to LA, how long it is?

[Graham Stephan]

It's like four and a half hours.

[Jack Selby]

Three and a half hours. Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

I made that drive in like two hours and 25 minutes one time.

[Jack Selby]

At what time?

[Logan Paul]

4:00am oh, wow. I was going so fast for such a long time. Not a single car on the road just going in that car. I've had some memories in that car. That was when I was young and I used to drive fast and honestly didn't value my life the way I do now. But I bought that car. I packed up all my belongings, all three of them, including my bird, and moved from Ohio to LA in that car. But that was like the first purchase I made. I was like, as an 18 year old, I bought this car and I was like, this is insane. Like I made It.

[Jack Selby]

Mom, when do you think you made your first million dollars?

[Logan Paul]

I know when I made my first million, I was 21. I made a list of goals and one of them was to become a millionaire by 21. And I was upset that I became a millionaire at 21 and not by 21. And. And, and my rule, by the way, was million, liquid, million in the bank after tax. After taxes.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, yeah. Which. There's a. There's a. There's a big difference. Jake actually had a clip on your guys pod. I know which one you know I'm talking about. But people were impressed with his ability to understand the difference between, like, having paper money and being like liquid, which, you know, you have to.

[Jack Selby]

Makes sense.

[Logan Paul]

You have to account for. Surely.

[Jack Selby]

And how did your perspective on money change over time?

[Logan Paul]

I don't think it has, which I don't think is a great answer. My relationship with money has not changed. The stakes have just gotten a lot higher. I take big risks and I like to make money and I like to spend it more. But it's, but it's weird because it's like, it's also not like I'm chasing money. I don't have like this yearning desire to be a billionaire.

[Graham Stephan]

But why does the average person probably think that you do? Because you do all of these things that are extremely, like, lucrative. It. Does it just so happen that all of the things that you enjoy end up.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah. You don't have any businesses going on.

[Graham Stephan]

In fairness, there was no money in Pokemon, and then you went all in on Pokemon and then it ended up blowing up the entire thing. So in fairness, you have. That is true.

[Logan Paul]

Money seems to be a byproduct of the things I love doing. I made YouTube videos for 10 years before anyone realized that you could become a YouTuber and make a career out of it. I played thousands of hours, thousands of hours of the Pokemon games before I ever made a penny from Pokemon and Pokemon in particular. For me, there's a trifecta. You guys know I say this all the time. It's business, it's passion, and it's content. It's. It's. It's the perfect trident for me. And Pokemon checks those boxes that. That's like kind of my. My perfect pocket when I can sit somewhere between, like, storytelling something I really give a about and like, is this a. Is this a. Will this be financially viable for me? Like, how could you not do something like that? That's like, that's like a perfect position for anyone to sit in And Pokemon is that WWE is kind of that as well, actually. WWE is that I get this. I get to, I get to do a lot of things where, like, I can sit in that pocket.

[Jack Selby]

Do you approach things differently now, though, than you did back when you were, like, 18 to 20?

[Logan Paul]

No, I, I, I'm still a massive risk taker, bro. I spent $5.3 million on a Pokemon card in 2022. And, like, people thought I was insane.

[Jack Selby]

How much of the value of the Pikachu Illustrator today was attached to your brand and your marketing around the card?

[Logan Paul]

That's a great question, because if I

[Jack Selby]

were to sell the card, I don't think I could get the price that you did. Even the Charizard, the PSA 10, the Logan Paul box break, sold for almost a million dollars. That card. How much more was your name attached to it?

[Logan Paul]

Let's do Math. The previous first edition Charizard price was $550,000. The one that said Logan Paul Break on it, that I pulled from a box break, sold for 950,000 dol, roughly 2x, a little under 2x.

[Jack Selby]

But do you think that's also because the market has been going up and

[Logan Paul]

that maybe that that $550,000 sale was, like, a month ago?

[Jack Selby]

So the market seems to have gone up a lot in the last month.

[Logan Paul]

Maybe like 10. Maybe like 10%. So, like, okay, maybe like one and a half to 1.75x because of a premium related to me. So to answer your question, if you would have bought the card for 5, 3 and you would have sold it, I bet you would have gotten 10 million. The difference is, in a very simple way, what we're equating to, like, anything related to Logan Paul or because it was in my hands, is not so much about who I am or, or my brand. I think it's how I intertwine with the franchise and what has happened because of it. I kind of view myself as, like, a vessel for telling stories and for making big moments in Pokemon, and I think that that is much bigger than me. I happen to be the vehicle for these big moments and for these incredible stories to be told, and I intend to do more of that. And, like, yes, it's my name, but I think that Logan Paul Break represents way more than, like, Logan Paul. It's not like, oh, Logan Paul touched this card. It's no, this Charizard was pulled in one of the most significant Pokemon moments in history on Logan Paul's stream. Does that make sense?

[Jack Selby]

It does.

[Graham Stephan]

So you say that you're sort of just like the vessel. You're telling the story, but you're not like making the story. The story has existed. It's like kind of avalanched for a long time. I am.

[Logan Paul]

All I am doing is shining a giant spotlight on something that deserves to be spotlighted. That's how I view it. I bro, I love Pokemon.

[Graham Stephan]

When's the last time you beat a Pokemon game?

[Logan Paul]

I just beat Scarlet.

[Graham Stephan]

Are you kidding me?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I just beat Scarlett.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you play it on Delta emulator?

[Logan Paul]

I've been recommended it.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay.

[Logan Paul]

I have to say I was not happy with Scarlet. No, I think, I think, I think, I think there's an extreme disconnect for like the games that I grew up playing and like the games.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the best Pokemon game of all time?

[Jack Selby]

The spoiler later in the episode, we talk about hair loss with Logan and the idea of flying to Turkey for

[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack Selby]

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[Logan Paul]

I mean, bro, I gotta say, Crystal Emerald, why?

[Graham Stephan]

It just is. The map is perfect, the pacing of the game is perfect.

[Logan Paul]

I mean, also, I'm biased because Crystal was the first, first game. Yeah, that I, that I played. And also so every like three years I'll get this bug to go back and, and, and run, run the old school games and like, like actually feel like a child again, which is awesome. And I recently did it with gold. And when you beat the game as an adult, it's kind of like, okay, how many times do I want to run the elite four back? Like, I can do it a couple times before I'm like, man, my Pokemon are like, level 55 to 70. Like, I. I'm kind of capped out here. And I liked the Battle Tower a lot in crystal, and I thought gold had it, and it didn't. It didn't have the Battle Tower. And I was. I was looking forward because the Battle Tower provides, like, a variable that you can, like, test your skills, and it's hard. Two in crystal. And it didn't. I. I ran through it. I beat it, and it didn't have it. I was like, damn, I played the wrong game. I didn't realize it wasn't in that generation.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay, I mean, let's. Let's not get too distracted here. But you have to nuzlock. If anything, you have to do a Nuzlocke run.

[Logan Paul]

What is that? Nuzlocke.

[Jack Selby]

Oh, my God.

[Logan Paul]

No. You gotta help me.

[Jack Selby]

I've never heard of that either.

[Logan Paul]

Help me.

[Graham Stephan]

To people that are big Pokemon gamer fanatics, Nuzlocking is a custom set of rules, totally viral. It's like. It's. It's a very rigid way of playing the game that makes it challenging and way more dopaminergic when you really. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

On what? On what? On what system?

[Graham Stephan]

Any system. It's not like. Like, I mean, there are ways that you can get, like, a Pokemon Emerald Nuzlocke rom.

[Jack Selby]

Whoa.

[Graham Stephan]

On your phone. So you can just play with the rules already implemented into the game. But the general premise is you cannot level your Pokemon higher than the level cap, and the level cap is the highest level Pokemon of the next gym leader. You also can only ever catch. You can only catch the first encounter you get on any route. So if it's Route 101, whoever you run into first, whether that's Zigzagoon, whether that's Puchyna, whether that's Worole, you have to catch that and then the next Route 102, the first encounter. And so it doesn't let you build the exact same team. You have to play with a random set of Pokemon that you would not normally play.

[Logan Paul]

That's awesome, because.

[Graham Stephan]

And if a Pokemon ever faints, you have to trash it. You can never use it. So you. So if your Pokemon cannot die, you have to nuzlock. The stakes are way higher. It's. You'll. You'll die. You'll have to restart your run. You'll lose. It's. It's incredible. Nuzlocking is. It's a game changer. It adds so much more excitement to these games because every game will be exactly the Same. You're gonna play with the same Pokemon. You're gonna get over leveled and then the game's gonna be easy.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

This adds stakes and strategy.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I know. I have my like starting six that I like. It's just, I'll wipe everyone somehow.

[Jack Selby]

He's like, pokemon Snap.

[Logan Paul]

That was, I like, that was an og.

[Jack Selby]

Remember when they did the picture thing? Yes, of course I did that. I went to Blockbuster and I printed it out, I sent it in and I tried all of that.

[Logan Paul]

It's, it's, it's truly the greatest franchise ever because it just, it's just, it's perfect. It's the perfect franchise. And I, I tweeted something recently where I was like, man, Pokemon should do like bring like, see if you can inject a nostalgia into a game that they're releasing. And I was like, use like old school sprites and designs, like the pixelated like eight bit kind of style with all of the new Pokemon. So like the look and feel that, that we know and love but with, but with the new Pokemon and, and kind of like inject nostalgia and man, some of the Pokemon community, like, I mean, they're like, David, you heard a Fire Red and Leaf Green. I'm like, that was 22 years ago, bro. Do you understand what I'm saying? It was 22 years ago and there's a rumor that as part of the 30th anniversary for Pokemon, they're going to re release Firered and Leaf Green on Switch in this pixelated sprite style. In which case I'm just like, bro, I'm not just like saying this right? Like, I'm not, I'm not just like a random guy being like, here's an idea. Like, bro, I've.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm with you.

[Logan Paul]

I've had some.

[Jack Selby]

No, I mean, I've seen your passion for Pokemon. Like, it's real, it's genuine and it extends beyond anyone else I've talked to.

[Logan Paul]

There are people who do not believe I like Pokemon. It is, it is, it is a, it is a criticism that, that I think is insane. Especially because, like, bro, I have one tattoo. It is a Squirtle. I got the tattoo before I ever bought a trading card as an adult. I didn't even know, I didn't even know it was a viable look at it.

[Graham Stephan]

It's, it's, it's there.

[Logan Paul]

It's, it's, it's, it's cool. Squirtle. Yeah. And so like dog, I think it's like, it's Like. Like that where I'm like, bro, y' all are just trying to invalidate everything I do.

[Jack Selby]

How many business ventures do you have right now?

[Logan Paul]

7.

[Graham Stephan]

What are these ventures and what do their numbers look like? How do they compose your income net worth?

[Logan Paul]

I will say them, and then you can dive into each one.

[Jack Selby]

Sure.

[Logan Paul]

Prime lunchly anti fund. WWE. Impulsive. Rip it. I guess my. I guess my YouTube channel. Yeah. My vlogs. And then this isn't a business venture, but as far as, like, how I value or, like, divvy my time, my. My family is, like, very high on that list. Obviously, it's my family, so it's number one. But as far as the time divvying up, this is. Those are the. Those are the eight things what surprised

[Jack Selby]

you in terms of being the most lucrative?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, like, I don't know. Money's money's. Money's. Money's. Money's hard to make. And. And. And none of it is, like, coming easy, bro. Like, it's hard. What's the hardest part about it? I will say the first thing that comes to mind is with prime and Lunchly, being that we have entered the CPG space where there are legitimate corporate giants, right, that have been around forever, like legacy brands, we have found it both a blessing and a curse to be the underdog represented by influencers. You know, me and KSI, at the end of the day, like, boil us down to, like, what we are. We're, like, we're creators. We're content creators, which is a blessing because it allows us to surprise and shock people. And, like, flashback to when prime first came out out, man, it was the hottest. It was the hottest drink on the. On the planet. There was a. There was a South park episode entirely devoted to spoofing Prime. You know, drink cred, bro. We got cred, boys. Which is.

[Jack Selby]

Which is.

[Logan Paul]

Which is insane. I just saw it in Fortnite, bro. They put. They put the prime parody cred in Fortnite on their south park characters. Like, out of all the things in the south park franchise, they put.

[Jack Selby]

Have.

[Logan Paul]

Could have put in Fortnite. They took a cred bottle, which is insane. It's such an honor. It's such an honor. But this, like, really broke through the mold, right? Because people are like, holy. These influencers came together. They told a cool story. They have a really good product that actually makes sense. A better for you hydration drink. That. That's our thesis. Better for you products. That's what we did with Lunchly as well. We kind of saw it turn on us a little bit because it's almost like you live and die by the sword. Because when these fake narratives were spun up about. So for prime, it was like PFAS Forever Chemicals. We got sued, destroyed the lawsuit. There's no merit to it. But like, bro, the headline for every TikTok lawyer looking for clicks is like, prime soon for PFAS Forever. And, and, and so the hardest part, that's, that's a lot of context. The hardest part for us has been having to consistently fight these negative narratives that most of the time have little to no truth to them, that do damage the goodwill of the brand that we've built. And people unfortunately believe it.

[Jack Selby]

Are there any narratives that are true? Like, I've been seeing these videos lately. It's like, prime is dead. Prime sales are down.

[Logan Paul]

I see that.

[Jack Selby]

It's fair. Like it's on the clearance section.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I see that.

[Jack Selby]

How much of that is true?

[Logan Paul]

It's completely untrue. It's completely untrue. Bro, if I told you the sales we were doing, you'd be shocked. People still see the value in our product because it tastes good and it's better for you. Like, I, I, I, I genuinely, I see people drinking Gatorade. I'm like, what are you doing?

[Jack Selby]

Do you ever think there's other brands conspiring behind the scenes to try to like, hey, let's, let's knock prime down a little bit.

[Logan Paul]

I will say I found it a little odd when Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer was making a press conference about an energy drink that happened to be called Prime. It seems a little weird that the Senate majority leader would take time out of his day to address an up and coming influencer product called Prime. It is my opinion that there was some behind the scenes lobbying going on by big corporate giants that saw the disruption that we were causing in the market and came up with an incredibly creative way to disrupt the uptick of our brand.

[Jack Selby]

To me, it seemed like maybe there was this like parental confusion between this, the energy drink and that, what you're drinking. And then the parents are buying this for their kids who are like 10 years old. And then they're getting wired at school and sharing with their friends and like that. That's how I interpreted that.

[Logan Paul]

We are in the stance of we've done a lot to try to differentiate the products. I mean, one comes in a can, one comes in a bottle. One is marketed as 18 plus, the other is says energy drink on it. The other says hydration I'm curious.

[Jack Selby]

Google estimates your net worth at $150 million. Is that accurate? And where do they get these numbers from?

[Logan Paul]

Where do they get the numbers from? I don't know. That's not accurate.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay, we're gonna guess.

[Logan Paul]

Okay.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay, I.

[Jack Selby]

Are we talking liquid or are we talking, like.

[Graham Stephan]

Well, I was. What I think is that you might have, like. What I think is that you might have 80 to 90 million liquid. That's what I think. And in equity, in prime, another 150. I mean, I could sit and do some napkin math to hopefully be a little more accurate. 200 million in equity in prime. That's what my guess is.

[Jack Selby]

We were trying to figure this out earlier. My number's the same as Jack. I think about 80 to 90 liquid. And then.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, 200 ish. Prime equity.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

You're way off on the liquid.

[Graham Stephan]

So 30 million liquid, 40 million liquid.

[Logan Paul]

You're much closer.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay.

[Jack Selby]

Really?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Guys, I spent money.

[Jack Selby]

The house and the collectibles and, bro, I spend money.

[Graham Stephan]

But tax.

[Logan Paul]

You.

[Graham Stephan]

You don't even pay very much in tax.

[Logan Paul]

I spent money. I don't know what to say.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay, well, we got to get into some of the spending, because that's honestly surprising.

[Jack Selby]

I thought that for sure.

[Logan Paul]

What's the point of having liquid cash?

[Jack Selby]

Margin of safety. I feel. I'm not talking margin. I'm not taking, like, cash cash. I talk investments. I can fix stock, bonds, a few treasuries.

[Logan Paul]

Nope.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you have stocks?

[Logan Paul]

Nope. No way.

[Jack Selby]

Kidding me. Do you. Do you have a financial advisor?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. He thinks I'm a lunatic.

[Jack Selby]

Then why even hire this person to begin with? You're not going to listen to him.

[Logan Paul]

I consider him more of a certified public accountant, okay, Than an advisor.

[Jack Selby]

And what does this person tell you to do that you don't listen to everything. Part of me wonders, why do you need to do different business? Because from my perspective, I see, like, WWE is like, massive. Prime is massive. You got your podcast that you could be doing anytime, and, like, and you got a wife and a daughter. It just seems like that's a lot. Like, most people couldn't even handle two of those things. Like, why keep pushing it and doing new brands and building new things?

[Logan Paul]

A, I feel compelled to. Like, I genuinely feel called to make this stuff. B, I have a bit of occupational ADD where, like, I cannot function if I'm only working on one or two things. Like, I have. I have to. I have to keep my mind busy. And actually, besides this past Monday night where, like, I did throw a Couple back to celebrate the illustrator sale. I've been sober and that clarity, like, has made me like a working maniac. Like, all I can think about is work. My, my brain is just like exploding with ideas and like, have to get them out. Have to, have to do, do, do, do. I feel, I feel called to. And I also feel that I have a ability in the collecting space to like make something really good. And it made a lot of sense for me because, like, I, I clearly like, have some influence as like a collector. It feels like there's meat on the bone if I'm not taking an opportunity to try to build something disruptive in the collectible space.

[Jack Selby]

You do have an eye to be early. It seems like to a lot of the collectibles. What really caught my attention is you were collecting a Bob Ross and you were bidding against Drake.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Did you see it? It's in there.

[Jack Selby]

No, I didn't see it.

[Logan Paul]

You should check it out.

[Jack Selby]

But that was something where I thought, oh, man, now I want a Bob Ross. And that was never something I'd think about. Or even the Space Jam that was down there. I'm like, that is so cool. And now I see one on ebay, which I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna go ahead and buy.

[Logan Paul]

You have to.

[Jack Selby]

But how do you, you figure out what's going to be going up in value? Do you, do you buy it with future value in mind or do you just buy what you like?

[Logan Paul]

Very, very rarely. Very rarely. It's taste. I wish I had like a answer you could dissect, but it's taste. I buy things I'm interested in. Hopefully they hold their value. But like, yo, flashback to two years ago, like, yo, brother, your Pokemon card was not holding its value, dog. Like, Pokemon had a lull, a big lull. And it's easy to say now. Like, man, Pokemon's exploding. It's like, if you believe in the long term vision, no problem. I do. Especially for Pokemon. Bob Ross is a legend, bro. Legend. And his art is actually really good.

[Jack Selby]

I know.

[Logan Paul]

It's really good art. So, yeah, I got a Bob Ross. And yeah, I lost an auction against Drake, but I got all sorts of stuff that I think is like best in class assets. And I also sit in this unique position where, like, if I tell the story around the thing right, I take my spotlight and go, yo, look at this. Here's why it's important. I think people go, oh yeah, I can see why that illustrator is worth that much. It could only be one at an illustration contest. Only 39 of them are awarded. And it was created by Atsuko Nishida, the creator of Pikachu. It's a Pikachu created by the creator of Pikachu. That's insane. You couldn't buy this card from a pack. You had to be earned by the best illustrators of Core Comic Contest. Like, that's. That's an interesting story that, like, no one knew and now people know and like, the value's there.

[Graham Stephan]

So you're telling me you had a third of your net worth in a Pokemon card?

[Logan Paul]

Hold on a second. We never actually said what my net

[Graham Stephan]

worth was, but liquid ish. I mean, like, would you consider that liquid net worth? It's. It's. It's b. It's mostly. I mean, you could price offload that relatively quickly.

[Logan Paul]

More of my net worth was in cardboard than like any financial advisor would tell you makes any sense.

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[Logan Paul]

What am I going to do with the stock, bro?

[Jack Selby]

Let it appreciate dividends, compound interest.

[Logan Paul]

I go to the vault that we store the cards in. I look at my card and I feel good. I feel like Ash Ketchum out there, bro.

[Graham Stephan]

We got to talk about how you're wasting money because there has to be some phantom drain. There has to be some money that's being.

[Logan Paul]

Bro, I just told you, I spent. I sent 101.2 million to the wrong wallet. Like, talk about wasting money. It's gone.

[Jack Selby]

But if we talk about in the big picture, I mean, it sucks, but it's not going to be life ruining.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the worst money you've ever spent?

[Logan Paul]

My $90,000 Mercedes couch. That Erak jumped from a plane with such a stupid decision.

[Jack Selby]

Whose idea was that? To buy the couch?

[Logan Paul]

Erak?

[Jack Selby]

No, you.

[Logan Paul]

Oh, sorry. To buy the couch?

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Me. Yeah. The idea was this because I had just bought a Mercedes lifted G wagon.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

And the idea was that when I get home, I hop out the Mercedes to go sit on some Mercedes. I thought I was a gangster, bro. I was in my like, like YouTube too flex era, where like, we're like, you know, I Bro, I'd wear like a whole handful of rings and chains and look like a dwebo. Like, bro, I look back at my 2016, 2017 vlogs and like, I hate myself. Like as a 30 year old man, I look back and like, I would not have been a fan of myself. You know what I'm saying?

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

And so I see some of these youngsters these days and I'm like, man, they're young, you know, they'll age up. Everyone, everyone changes.

[Jack Selby]

How much do you think you've spent on Pokemon cards?

[Graham Stephan]

Just that 10 mil.

[Logan Paul]

At least.

[Jack Selby]

Are there any of those cards you regret buying?

[Logan Paul]

No.

[Jack Selby]

What does your current collection look like today?

[Logan Paul]

It's gangster. It's incredible. I'm sitting, I'm, I'm sitting in the best position I've ever sat in as far as a collector because I've diversified. Five years ago I was very vocal about collecting Pokemon. Then I realized something. If I'm vocal about something and a market spikes and I want more of it, I've essentially just bid against myself because now everyone's charging 1.5 to 2x of what they were charging because I told the story about it. And so now I've been collecting in silence on some things that I just have not spoken about because I'm well aware that like, if I tell you I love dinosaurs and like, I've probably spent a million dollars in dinosaurs, I'm gonna have to spend $2 million to get the same thing. And like, and like I've experienced that as well. Dude, I put a put, I put a two million dollar offer on a dinosaur skull. The guy said no.

[Jack Selby]

Did he know it was you?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, he knew it was me.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you think that hurt you sometimes?

[Logan Paul]

Sometimes. Because here's another thing. I will not overpay because I'm me. You will risk losing the deal.

[Jack Selby]

Why can't you have a lawyer reach out on your behalf? Because I've noticed I've wanted a dinosaur for a very long time. Any sort of fossil or foot or skull. And then Ken Griffin bought that stegosaurus and the values have now just like quadrupled. I can't buy a dinosaur anymore.

[Logan Paul]

I watched, I watched the auction happen live. I was going to bid on it. The estimate was between 4 and 6 million, brother. 4 and 6 million. We sat there with the auction live, ready to hit bid. 4.4 million 4.5.

[Graham Stephan]

You guys are probably on all the same auctions.

[Logan Paul]

Oh yeah, that is hilarious. And so I'm watching this, that stegosaurus go up I'm like 11 million. This is crazy. Twice the estimate. 25 million. 30. Eventually I was like, bro, what's, what's happening here? It's actually that auction that made me realize that my car could go nuclear, which is what happened.

[Jack Selby]

Same thing happened with the Paul Newman Rolex Daytona. When that sold at a crazy price, it brought up the entire watch market with it.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. So dinosaurs are. Dinosaurs are. They're one of the best asset classes to invest in, in my opinion because it's also the coolest piece of art you will ever see. It's a dinosaur. My prized possession is a 66 million year old triceratops skull.

[Jack Selby]

How much do you buy that for?

[Logan Paul]

500k.

[Graham Stephan]

What's it valued at now?

[Logan Paul]

Probably a million. Bought it like three years before, years ago. So I wish it was in this house. It's in my other house.

[Graham Stephan]

What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs but zero in the stock market?

[Logan Paul]

It the am I going to do with the stock, bro? Let me tell you what happens when I come downstairs in the morning and I see a 66 million year old Triceratops skull sitting there. It puts my humanity in perspective. In one moment I go, man, we really are just like an evolved speck of dust that we have this short little amount of time to live on this earth. The dinosaurs were the greatest species to ever roam the earth. Do you know how many years they were around, guys? Hundreds of millions of years, literally. Do you know how many years humans have been around? Between 200 and 300,000. To put that into perspective, it's like, bro, we are, we are a blip on this radar of earth. The dinosaurs are the greatest species to ever roam the planet. To have a, to get to own a piece of that and like let myself be inspired and like count my blessings every day and like look up at the sky and realize my humanity like probably, bro, Nvidia stock can't make me do that. Shout out.

[Jack Selby]

Jensen, are you buying more dinosaurs?

[Logan Paul]

I can't afford them, bro, because I like poker.

[Jack Selby]

Maybe, maybe if you invested those investments would be able to buy your dinosaurs.

[Logan Paul]

I, I. Let me tell you something.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Had my beautiful daughter. I had about six months of like a bit of a lull where I wasn't doing WWE and I was taking my time to be a dad, but my brain like just will go, go and I'll just start like conceptualizing and stuff. And I got very deep into starting like a, a dinosaur company, a fossil company, because I know. Yeah.

[Jack Selby]

I mean, look, I honestly Believe dinosaurs are going to be. I agree. I mean, I've gone down all the documentaries on like the fossils and the dinosaur market. Who's buying these and why? Geologists say, oh, they should be in collections, not in private hands. Means I've seen. Seen everything. It's true. So that's obsessed with them, bro.

[Logan Paul]

They're incredible.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

That, though, is the dilemma. And I'm glad Ken Griffin is loaning his dinosaur out to, I think, the Museum of Natural History. Yeah. In New York, because, like, to have a specimen like Apex, that stegosaurus that sold for 44.6 million being a private collection is like, a bit of a shame. And I even like, I have this triceratops call, right? And like, I'm like, yo, maybe, maybe it should be in a museum. Maybe it should. Triceratops, there's a lot more of them. So, like that one, maybe. But like the, the, the, the one of one stands or shoes, the big T Rex, like that, bro, those can't be in private collections. So I do hope that if people are collecting like these otherworldly best in class, 70% bone completion specimens, I'd like that they'd be in museums or collections where, like, young people especially can see them and allow themselves to be. To marvel at this spectacle that is prehistoric fossils.

[Jack Selby]

In terms of spending, though, what was the logic behind buying this house?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, yeah, it is really expensive. It was not like a financially sound decision because of how much money it was. A couple, like, kind of practical things, I think, like, you can understand. One, our old place, there was construction next door that started at 7am every single morning. We have about another two years of that, I think. And like, that's tough, bro, because I need sleep. If I, if I don't sleep, I'm not gonna be able to do. I'm not gonna be able to survive. I also was ready to enter my billionaire phase, bro. To be honest with you. I was ready to. I was ready to level up and become like a big boy and put my back against the wall and live in an environment that I felt would be conducive to my work and, and force me to lock in. I. I told myself if I, if I moved in this house, I would stop smoking weed. Which is like, bit of advice for me. I gotta, I gotta watch that demon. It truly is the devil's lettuce, truly. And I did. And I've been locked in, bro.

[Graham Stephan]

Has having more money made you happier?

[Logan Paul]

It's made me more appreciative, which I think manifests Itself in, like, interesting ways. Like, it's. It. It's. It's made me more grateful. Like, bro, I look. I am, like, glancing outside every so often. Like, I can't believe this is my house, and I'm so grateful for it, and I pray every day, and I just thank. And that gratitude is, like, Provides an interesting level of happiness. I think that, like, doesn't. It hasn't gone away. Like, I also am someone who am pretty good at perspective, which is, like, way easier said than done. But if you can master the art of perspective, like, you're sitting in a good spot. But, bro, how can I complain about anything in this house? Suffering is suffering. Shut the up, bro. Shut the up. You're a billionaire in, like, a. In a beautiful house, and there's people, like, suffering on the streets, bro. Like, shut the up. You're like, you're good. And I get it, bro. I have bad days, and I'm gonna complain, and I'm kind of being a hypocrite a little bit. But, like, bro, it could be way worse, dog. You know what I'm saying?

[Jack Selby]

So you found that you. You got more motivation buying the house and having this huge purchase that kind of lit the flame. Like, your back is up against the wall now. You got to make it work.

[Logan Paul]

I've always loved doing that. I've always loved doing that back against. Because I'm a fighter, bro. Like, my back's against the wall.

[Jack Selby]

Jake does the same thing.

[Logan Paul]

We do the same thing. We're similar in this way way.

[Jack Selby]

We.

[Logan Paul]

We. We spend money in a way that, like, makes us have to continue working. And I also know other successful people who. Who. Who do this as well. Like, spend the money. God make. God make money, bro. God, no choice now. You don't want to let your family down. You.

[Jack Selby]

I don't.

[Logan Paul]

I don't want to lose the house.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you think money has changed you at all? Would you say it's for the better or for the worse?

[Logan Paul]

I think it's for the better because I've been humbled so many other times by life in various regards. Everyone on the Internet knows what I'm talking about. But, like, dude, I've failed, like, more times than one in front of the whole world that can destroy a person or humble them. But a humility check for any man is not a bad thing. In fact, I think most people need it. I've had a be checked by life, like, multiple times, and I think it's led me to, if I do say so myself, be like, A semi grounded person who is still somewhat in touch with reality, although living an extremely unrelatable life and having a lot of resources. And I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm like, I'm proud of myself for that, to be honest with you.

[Jack Selby]

Side tangent here. I just want to say one of my favorite videos of yours was the Tetris video.

[Logan Paul]

You dude. Thank you. Thank you so much. That was such a fun video to make and I, I think it went like under the radar.

[Jack Selby]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Logan Paul]

We travel so much for wwe. Like every Monday I'm on the road and I'm also in Puerto Rico, so pull up a map. It's an island to the bottom right of the United States. We can fly commercially, commercially, pretty easy to the east coast, which I'm not opposed to because it, obviously you save way more money. And I like, I definitely joke about it, but like, like, if you can fly commercial, like fly commercial, fastest dollar earned is the dollar save. That said, flying private is truly one of the greatest luxuries a human can experience. It's, it is, it is incredible for, for so many reasons. I've had some of the most remarkable conversations I've ever had in my life and experiences on private jets. And obviously that sounds like pompous and like, maybe a bit out of touch, but man, it's a, it's, it's a, it's a wild experience to get to, to get, to fly 40,000ft in the air on, on something that is like solely yours. And you don't have to go through tsa. You can eat food up there. It's just, it's just quiet. You can sleep.

[Graham Stephan]

Could you, could you financially Justify buying a private jet right now.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Jack Selby]

And why don't you? Because it feels like that would also light the fire.

[Logan Paul]

Spending a lot of money on other stuff. Bro. Bro. Collectibles.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay?

[Logan Paul]

For example, rip it, bro.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

I'll have invested over $7 million by the time that we launch.

[Jack Selby]

Does Nina ever say, hey, Logan, maybe we shouldn't be spending. Maybe let's put some aside. Does she ever?

[Logan Paul]

Yes. But something happened that made her no longer do that. On an episode of our reality show, Paul America Game, I told her I bought Wayne Gretzky's final championship game hockey stick for $336,000. She was like, what the is wrong with. Like, in a nice way. She was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe you bought a stick for that much. I'm like, it's Wayne Gretzky. He's the great one. You know, my stupid man brain, like, rationalizing this insane purchase. And then I think a lot of people were like, it's commenting. It's his money. Don't tell him how to spend it. Whatever. And she was like, okay, fine. Like, I. You know what? You're right. Spend the money how you want. And I also think she sees that, like, the stuff that I buy holds its value because they're best in class assets. They're grails.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

You know, and so I think she's gotten a little more trust in my ability to spend money and then have it store its value and hopefully one day make money.

[Graham Stephan]

It's just insane to me that you have more money in a stick than

[Jack Selby]

you do in stocks.

[Graham Stephan]

In stocks.

[Logan Paul]

I don't have. I don't have a single stock voice.

[Graham Stephan]

Have you ever had one?

[Logan Paul]

Yes.

[Graham Stephan]

What happened?

[Logan Paul]

I found E Trade annoying.

[Graham Stephan]

And so you just, like, told your guy, hey, get me out of everything.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Did you make money when you had the stocks? No.

[Jack Selby]

So you've only ever lost money in the stock market?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, technically, yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What stock was it?

[Logan Paul]

I don't know.

[Graham Stephan]

And who told you to buy it?

[Logan Paul]

Don't know.

[Graham Stephan]

So you downloaded E Trade, transferred money and bought something, sold something, got out, and then bought a dinosaur head?

[Logan Paul]

It's about right.

[Jack Selby]

I think over the next 20 years, I do think a dinosaur is going to outperform the stock market. In fairness, it depends what you buy. What's the dinosaur to buy? If you have a budget under a million dollars to buy a dinosaur.

[Logan Paul]

Okay. Or.

[Jack Selby]

Or how much is to get a grail piece? That's not like, you know, $40 million.

[Logan Paul]

Buy it. Buy a T Rex tooth, bro.

[Graham Stephan]

How much are those?

[Logan Paul]

Probably 50,000 plus dollars. Depends what size you buy. But like, I have one in that room, but like, I bought it for like $30,000. It's worth like 60 now.

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, that is pretty cool.

[Logan Paul]

It's a Tyrannosaurus Rex tooth. And those. I don't want those. The argument of like, it should be in a museum doesn't apply because there are a lot of T. Rex teeth, but like, not enough to make it the value.

[Jack Selby]

Doesn't that make it less valuable because there's so much many teeth out there?

[Logan Paul]

That's where this gets interesting. This is what I realized when I was starting thinking about starting a dinosaur company. Okay, I. I pulled the T. Rex tooth from the earth myself. We went digging, which is also I hear some people being like, well, dinosaurs, maybe dinosaurs didn't exist. Go yourself, you idiots. Of course they exist. I pulled the T. Rex tooth out of the earth myself.

[Jack Selby]

Could have been planted there by somebody.

[Logan Paul]

No chance. Zero percent chance. No way.

[Jack Selby]

Kidding.

[Logan Paul]

No, it was, it was. And it was an incredible experience. Experience. And in that moment, right, I'm looking around. We're in the middle of Montana with the Hell Creek hooligans. Shout out to the hooligans who just unearthed, by the way, the largest T. Rex tooth ever found ever. Just like 13, 14 inches long. It's like this big. It's insane.

[Jack Selby]

Is this the guy that owns all the land there?

[Logan Paul]

He does own a lot of land. I don't know if it's that the guy, but yes, he owns a ton of land. Sure, we're on that ton of land. I'm looking around, bro. We're in the middle of nowhere. We're in the middle of nowhere. And I'm like, dude, how did you find this little plot of dirt to dig in that is like, uncovered in a Kylosaurus skull. He found a Pachycephalosaurus there. He's in the middle of getting like a, like a femur out of the ground. And so I'm like, how the did he do this? It's like a needle in a haystack. But then I started thinking about what I told you about earlier. Dinosaurs were around for hundreds of millions of years. Humans have been around for 300,000 years. Do you know how many dinosaur bones there are in the earth? They're probably, bro. Everywhere there are dinosaur bones everywhere. You gotta be in the right area, right? There's like a dino straight in middle America. But if you can figure out how to optimize and Efficiently find and extract the dinosaur bones from the earth. There's a real business there. Because, dog, let me tell you something. No offense to the hooligans and I love these guys, but sticking your knife in the ground and twisting it just to find a teeth for eight hours a day. A tooth for eight hours a day is not a viable way to optimize the extraction of fossils from the earth.

[Jack Selby]

So theoretically, it'd be like a machine or something, just stomps and scans. Right?

[Graham Stephan]

Wouldn't that make you bearish on the prices of dinosaur memorabilia, like effects? So is it a good or bad investment?

[Logan Paul]

I don't think anyone has the wherewithal in the dinosaur space to do what I'm saying. There are few people who could do it, some of which are. Some of whom are friends of mine. But it's hard. It's like a real operation. And I got. I'm telling you, I. I got close to doing. I have the sick is.

[Jack Selby]

I feel like they're going to do it when the value reaches a certain point and then the cost of not doing that becomes higher than what they're able to unearth.

[Logan Paul]

You just got to have the. You got to have the grit and the drive. I become obsessed with these things, bro. Obsessed. Right now. I am obsessed. Well, I'm always obsessed. But right now, especially I'm obsessed with collectibles obsessed. That's why I have to make Rip it also. It's called Rip It. What a dope name, bro. It's my proudest brand name accomplishment ever that we got the trademark for Rip It.

[Graham Stephan]

Is there a number where you would feel done financially?

[Logan Paul]

No.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you plan on being a billionaire?

[Logan Paul]

No, I think I'll. I think I'll become one. But like, I don't plan on it. I think I'll become one, though. God willing.

[Graham Stephan]

At what money amount does more money stop making such an impact on, like, overall happiness and, like, what you are able to do? You.

[Logan Paul]

I've heard about, like a hundred million. The difference between like a hundred million and a billion is kind of like, marginal, I think. Then I also think there's like another level of like the billions and billions that is like a level of wealth like you can't even understand. I can't even understand it. I've seen it. It's like, unfathomable.

[Graham Stephan]

In your own life, was there a certain inflection point where, like, more money didn't really make that much of a difference?

[Logan Paul]

I think I'm here, but not. That's actually not. That's actually not true at all because like bro, I, I like if you, if you, if you gave me $16.5 million for example, I could spend that tomorrow. Tomorrow.

[Jack Selby]

What would you buy?

[Logan Paul]

Pokemon cards. I am currently on a. A Pokemon mission unlike no other. That is. Will be the most insane story that's ever been told in Pokemon.

[Jack Selby]

How much do you think Gary King, Pokemon's collection is worth?

[Logan Paul]

At least 10 million.

[Jack Selby]

I don't think more than that. Given that he has so many of the first edition PSA 10 charizards. Does he have like 20 of them?

[Logan Paul]

No, no, no. I think he has like between 8 and 10 that I know of. Who knows? He's a gangster. But he has a sealed case of first edition boxes that he opened just to check if it was first edition boxes. And it was so like let's. It's essentially sealed. That alone is worth. It's the thing I tried to buy that I got scammed out of the, the. The GI GI Joe cards that turned out to be GI Joe cards. That alone is. I mean that's probably 6 to 7 million. So yeah, I guess you're right. He probably, I don't know, probably between 10 and 50 million. Probably maybe more.

[Jack Selby]

I think it's 20.

[Logan Paul]

God dang.

[Jack Selby]

Because what he does, I've noticed it's always up on ebay when you search for Pokemon and he prices it about 30 something percent higher than the market value and it consistently raises. I remember when it was $5,555,000 for the whole collection and then it went to 10 and then 15 and 20. I think it's 33 now.

[Logan Paul]

So for example, if I had like a ton of money, bro, I would just clean these collections. Cuz I just really believe in Pokemon. Especially cuz like dude, you ever see kids rip packs these days?

[Jack Selby]

They're careful about them.

[Logan Paul]

They are obsessed. Young people are obsessed with ripping packs. They're playing the game. Pokemon is still the highest grossing franchise in the world. To me that is a determinant that tells me Pokemon has at least another 10 to 20 years. Because in the same way that it affected me as a child and then I grew up and got some money. Which by the way is the same same thing that happened to A.J. scaramucci, the guy who bought my card when we were talking at the end. He's probably 33 and guess what? Him and his brother love Pokemon. They went to tournaments, they were battling, they were invested in Pokemon. Then all of a sudden these little youths grow up and make some money and can spend their money on this alternative asset class. And so it will happen for the youth now who will grow up and make some money and be able to invest in, invest copious amounts of money on Pokemon.

[Graham Stephan]

So how are you investing your money today? Like where is your like net worth allocated? Real estate? No stocks. Like what percentage Pokemon as opposed to other alternative investments?

[Logan Paul]

A lot of it is in real estate. Like I've, I have two houses here, bro. Like it's a lot. There's a lot of money. A lot of it's in Pokemon. A lot of it's in this, this collectible platform that I'm personally investing into. Like, like besides the real estate, bro, I'm kind of just kind of like betting on myself a little bit. Betting on myself, investing in myself and like the things I'm buying, at least the collectible stuff is stuff that I think like stories can be told around it, you know, or like that deserve that spotlight that I mentioned.

[Graham Stephan]

And then of course you have prime which. Have you ever been offered a buyout?

[Logan Paul]

Buyout?

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

No. No.

[Graham Stephan]

Never once?

[Logan Paul]

No. Everyone wants to invest in it.

[Graham Stephan]

Would you sell prime for 5 billion right now?

[Logan Paul]

It's funny because that's obviously like a ton of money. Guys. That would make me a billionaire overnight. But like. Close your eyes, exhale, feel your body

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[Logan Paul]

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[Jack Selby]

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[Jack Selby]

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I'll be with you every step of the way. One in four was a fraud paying American. Not anymore. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com podcast terms apply. I think I've reached a point where I just don't know. I don't know, like money, like it money, but like the. It's just A number like it becomes a bit marginal. I think I'm at that point. This. Your question earlier. Like, I think I'm at that point where it's like, I don't know

[Graham Stephan]

if it's worth it. I guess I could phrase it like this. There comes a point in your life where you will not do something simply for the sake of more money.

[Logan Paul]

Oh, I'm there.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I'm there.

[Graham Stephan]

So money is not the biggest motivator. It becomes something else.

[Logan Paul]

That's. Yeah, that. Yeah, that's where I'm at.

[Jack Selby]

What do you think is an invalid criticism that you get?

[Logan Paul]

To put this the most blunt possible, is that any inclination that I'm a scammer, like, that is. That is. It's patently false. And unfortunately, I'm in a position where the only way to prove that is in a courtroom, which I intend to do sooner rather than later. And I'm looking forward to it because online a lot of false narratives can be spun up, and unfortunately, people believe them. But, yeah, I'd say it's. I'd say it's that the businesses that I build are not started with anything but the best intentions. Like, bro, I don't. I don't. If it's not abundantly clear to you, like, I'm not chasing money. I like building. And it happens to be a byproduct of things that I make. Like, I'm good at making it, I'm better at spending it. But, like, I like building. And I. And I. And I try to make stuff that I think is disruptive and fun and people can use and, like, it doesn't always work out. And I think there is a bit of a misconception that people have in that something not working out in a business setting doesn't mean you had bad intentions. Does that make sense? Especially now, especially if you can be made into clickbait and like. Like a YouTube thumbnail. And, like, people can make tons and tons and tons of videos about you to enrich themselves and get attention. Like, bro, God bless you. Go, Go do that. Get that bread. But when you lie over and over again, video after video, time and time again, and you know you're lying, eventually you may find yourself being held accountable in a court.

[Jack Selby]

I have noticed that a lot of times people will, to me, almost like, make something up, and then everyone sees this and it gets a lot of likes, and then they treat it as fact. Because that one comment got a lot of likes. Like, recently, apparently Jack had a trust fund. I was unaware of And Jack, Elon

[Graham Stephan]

Musk is a distant relative of mine, according to the general public, because there's another individual that shares my same name, Jack Selby. And he was a part of the PayPal mafia. I've never met him.

[Logan Paul]

Him.

[Graham Stephan]

I've never spoken to him. I tried to speak to him. Didn't work out. And he somehow knew Elon. And Elon is apparently my father, but he's not. And so this got a bunch of likes. And then people were responding to this comment saying, wow, I never knew Jack. I've been watching this podcast for five years. I never knew he was a descendant of generational wealth. And then other comments are like, yeah, you didn't know that. And then also this. And I'm like, where did this, where did this come about?

[Jack Selby]

It was also crazy. I mentioned a while years ago that my dad was an animator for Disney in the 80s and 90s. Awesome. And then someone spun that up that my dad was an executive at Disney and that he gave me clients when I started in real estate, and that I wouldn't have been successful if it were not for my dad being an executive at Disney, feeding me clients at 18 years. And I have no idea where they come up with this, but everyone's like, oh, wow. No, I had no idea. It's funny. Graham never mentioned this. Why would he be hiding this? Oh, now it all makes sense.

[Logan Paul]

Boys, I'm going to tell you something. People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important or objective. Unfortunately, it doesn't even. It doesn't matter. Especially with AI now, people are not going to know what to believe. And so they'll either believe everything or believe nothing. But I think people are idiots, generally speaking, and will probably believe everything. They do not care about truth. They do not care about resolve. They do not care about nuance. So if a headline makes sense to them that fits their interpretation of reality and what they're seeing, that's what they're going to be glued to. And then if they find out facts that negate that information, Facts, facts, evidence, truth that negates that evidence, they. They don't care. Doesn't matter to them. It doesn't. Doesn't fit their reality. And so, like, bro, I'm done, like, trying to convince people, bro, you gotta believe me. I'm even. Even. That's. That's why, like, I have no interest in talking about certain stuff that, like, no matter how much I say, like, people always are gonna have something to say. And, like, if you want to get to the bottom of it. Great. Like, let's. Let's lawyer up and. And. And flesh it out in a courtroom setting, because you can't hide in court. And for that reason, it's fantastic. Truth matters. Like, it's a jury of your peers, not dumb YouTube audience that's influenced by the other guy. The echo chamber comment section. Like, that's insane. That's. That's not facts, bro. Even. Even on X. Bro. Some of I get community notes on X flames me, but a lot of the times it's incorrect. Like, it's a community note written by members of the community, upvoted by members of the community. And if you're someone like me who has a large community that doesn't like you, they'll all just gang up on you on Twitter. You can't even trust a platform that prides itself on truth and objectivity and facts to say truth, objectivity, and facts.

[Jack Selby]

Here's something you can clear up, though. The Pikachu Illustrator card got graded to PSA 10. They say that you got it regraded to 10. I think you should set the record straight on that.

[Logan Paul]

I don't even know what to say. This so, so ridiculous to me. Like, I bought it as a 10. Like it. There's a video online with like six. Don't I think, like 8 million views, maybe more of me buying it as a PSA 10. So I. Wait. This. This one. I don't understand at all.

[Jack Selby]

The.

[Logan Paul]

I bought the Pikachu illustrator as a 10. There is objective proof. That's a fact. You can watch it link in description. What is the. Where does that even start? Like that. This one's crazy because it's like, it's so. There's. It's so cut and dry. That card had been graded 10 for like a decade. What's like. Help me understand.

[Jack Selby]

Actually, they say that your connection got it regraded as a 10, but it

[Logan Paul]

was a 10 when I bought it. You gotta help me, Graham.

[Jack Selby]

I'm just saying that's what they're saying, and that's something we could dispel.

[Logan Paul]

But how does that.

[Jack Selby]

But like, do you think. Do you think you saying this is just not going to make a difference? There's no point.

[Logan Paul]

Hell no.

[Jack Selby]

Hell no, bro.

[Logan Paul]

Some. They will go watch the video of me buying the card as. As a 10 from the guy who had it for five to 10 years before me, where he bought it as a 10, and they'll go. I don't even know what they'll say. This is like I have a disconnect with a portion of the Internet because I just don't understand the criticism. And then if I, if I talk about it like, there's always something else. Okay, bro, this, this podcast alone will feed commentary channels for the next three months. Like, they will have a feast with this thing. And bro, God bless you guys. Honestly, God bless you guys. Get that bread. Just if you can keep it truthful.

[Jack Selby]

What do you say to the criticism that the PSA 10 should have been a 9 based on its condition?

[Logan Paul]

My opinion about the grade of that card is that it's the best Pikachu illustrator that I've seen and I have tens in worse condition. It's a 10. Yeah, that's my opinion. It's, it's, it's, it. The card is unequivocally, objectively a 10. I don't know if the concern that criticism is so much directed at me or like it is at the end of the day. Right. Which doesn't make sense. I didn't grade the card. The card was great at my PSA 10, 12, 11, 13, 14, I don't know, years ago.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah. My understanding to the grading back then they were a little more lenient than they are today with like the technology and everything. So today's 10 is actually a lot harder to get than like seven years ago. It's my understanding.

[Logan Paul]

I'm not sure. I don't know.

[Jack Selby]

Okay. But like, bro, I mean, the card

[Logan Paul]

says 10 on it. It's the only double digit illustrator in the entire world. And the buyer, AJ Scaramucci, said the following to me. He said he's like, I did my diligence. I looked at the other alleged better condition cards than this one. He specifically pointed out another one that he saw that is supposedly in better condition. And he landed on this one one. And there were two other bidders above $15 million. Which as a buyer for me is like, if, if I was buying, it's, it's validating. You're not the only one who thinks this is worth over $15 million. And bro, these people are rich because they're not dumb. It isn't dumb money. They did their diligence and like, there will be criticism around anything I do. It does not matter if it's true. People love to run with anything. That tears me down.

[Graham Stephan]

What do you think started this like cascading effect of criticism towards Logan Paul, Japan? That was it?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

And beforehand you had not experienced anything, really?

[Logan Paul]

No, I was, I was, I was literally YouTube's golden boy.

[Graham Stephan]

So everyone loved you. There was no. What ha. Logan Paul, The. The rise and fall. There was nothing like that. No, it was simply that.

[Logan Paul]

It was. Yeah, it was. It was. It was the mistake that I made in Japan. And here's where it gets tricky. That's a re.

[Jack Selby]

That's.

[Logan Paul]

That's valid. Like, bro, I up. I made a. I made a colossal mistake, and it was a moral. It was a moral mistake. And so, you know, a lot of people close their mind off to the idea that this is, like, a young person who, like, had his priorities shifted and, like, can become a better human being. It's. Oh, like, he had a moral dilemma. He's gonna have a lot more. And he's a piece of. He's evil. Like a bro. I see comments online saying, like, I'm evil, evil, bro. Like, Hitler's evil, evil, bro. That's a. That is a strong word. And if that's someone's opinion about me, bro, honestly, God bless them, I think they're entitled to that opinion. And that's. That's just the way that cookie crumbled. And I think their mind's probably closed off to letting me prove that, like, I'm a human being who. Who made a mistake and tried to learn from it.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you think that you dealt with that the right way? Should you have made an apology video for Japan?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Yeah, I was. Sorry.

[Graham Stephan]

Worry

[Logan Paul]

up. I genuinely believe. I. Up to this day, I'm like. Like, if you. If. I don't know if this was on your list of questions, but, like, if you were to ask me, what's one. Regret. Regret you have in life. You know, I have more than one. But my actions in Japan, it is a regret. Although I think I became a better human because of it, and I certainly tried to do that. And it wasn't like. It's like, like, yeah, please forgive me. I'm like, I'm a good guy. It was like, all right, I'm gonna, like, try to, like, earn the ch. Like, literally just earn the chance to be forgiven. I want to. I want to earn the chance to be forgiven. Just a chance. Please try. Like, let's see if you can open up your mind. And, like, I. I'll prove that I can be forgiven. And that was, like, eight or nine years ago. And, like, I. I think I've done a decent job of it, but because that happened, it's a lot easier for people to then point their finger at me and go, like, oh, his business failed. It's a scam, bro. The business like ultimately didn't work out. But to accuse me of mal intentions right off the rip, especially if you have the facts proving otherwise is that's, that's actionable. For example, do you think that you

[Graham Stephan]

needed that to happen?

[Logan Paul]

Yes, I do. I was just heading. Headed down a very bad path and would have like done something that, with that would have had a permanent consequence. But why that is a regret is because there's like a victim who has a family and like, they didn't need to see that.

[Jack Selby]

Bro, did you ever find out any information on you did.

[Logan Paul]

They did not want to speak to me.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

And I understand. And that's something I have to live with. Bro. You know that you sleep in the bed you make? I made that bed. And like, all I can do is try to become a better human being because of it. But I think because there was a, a lapse in morality in that moment, people assume, and this may even be valid, people may assume that like, that lapse is like a permanent part of someone's personality. Some people believe that, some don't.

[Jack Selby]

What do you think is a valid criticism?

[Logan Paul]

This, this may be something that is. Was known a little more like personally in my circles, but I'm pretty candid, like, to the point where it can come across as like, rude. Like, I'm pretty blunt. You know how they say treat others the way you want to be treated. I find that to be total. I don't like. Or beating around the bush. And if something's wrong, I'm like, bro, you had a thing in your eye earlier. Like I told you, like, I don't care. Like, like, like this is.

[Graham Stephan]

Thank you.

[Logan Paul]

This. Like, we, let's, let's cut this. Let's get to the root of what we're trying to say here. Yeah, it's, it's a little like, it can sometimes rub people the wrong way, but like, that's how I prefer to be treated because, like, I don't have time for. And a lot of people want to be babied. Full grown men want to be babied and coddled into finding out what you're trying to say. I don't care to do that. That when I think that's a valid criticism.

[Jack Selby]

So we recently had Jake Paul on the podcast. How's your relationship with him today?

[Logan Paul]

Like, it like, varies, like day by day. Yeah, it's, it's definitely the strongest it's ever been, but I think he's going through a lot right now of good. But also like, he broke his jaw.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

And that sucks. And that's proven to have some complications. His fiance just won Olympic gold.

[Jack Selby]

Saw that.

[Logan Paul]

And silver, which is insane. He's traveling all over the world. He's busy. He just had this huge fight. And so, like, we haven't been as connected as we usually are, but, like, that's, I guess, like, one of the side effects of having, like, a brother who's building an empire. But overall, I'd say our relationship now is, like, stronger than it's ever been because we've. We've had a bunch of ups and a bunch of downs. But, like, ultimately, I think the downs make the relationship that much stronger if you can work through them.

[Graham Stephan]

What was the biggest disagreement you've had with Jake?

[Logan Paul]

I mean, bro, the most recent one is, like, the disagreement that's very public right now on X and very current. Like, it's. It's not. It's. It's bad.

[Jack Selby]

How much does that spill over into your personal life?

[Graham Stephan]

Like, are you texting him?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Yeah. And, bro, let me just. Before we even dive into this, let me say this particular one is complicated because although I vehemently disagree with his position on this, and I can say that, and I believe I have, even as his brother, the right to say that you. I love him so much, dearly, and I love my family members, and I'm sure people can understand this. That doesn't mean I share their views. And in some regards, I believe I have the right to express my disapproval. And, like, I don't know if, like, there needs to be pushed back all the time. Like, you'd support your brother no matter what? Like. Like, yes. But this one's pretty egregious to me, and so I felt it important to vocalize that we are different people. I love him. I disagree with this viewpoint wholeheartedly.

[Jack Selby]

I'm surprised how often people confuse you too.

[Logan Paul]

That's the issue. And that's why it does bleed over into my life. People think I'm him. People think we're the same person.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

I could call Jake. He gets called Logan. They think we're the same person.

[Graham Stephan]

Person.

[Logan Paul]

And so. And so it's like, it's.

[Graham Stephan]

It's tough, you know, it's hilarious. Not to completely 180, but, like, when we had him on our show and we asked what the biggest disagreement, like, where your relationship with him was in the most turmoil, what would you say it was?

[Logan Paul]

My guess would be, like, politically for

[Graham Stephan]

him, it was when you guys were making diss tracks.

[Logan Paul]

Oh, I mean, I Mean, bro. That's.

[Graham Stephan]

He said that was like a violently.

[Logan Paul]

That was bad. That was bad.

[Graham Stephan]

Like, that's crazy, because to me, as a viewer, like, I was just like. I don't even know how old I

[Logan Paul]

was at the time.

[Graham Stephan]

Just like.

[Jack Selby]

Like, oh, oh, they did a diss track watch. And then I'm like, in my mind somewhere else. All right. That was.

[Graham Stephan]

To him. He's. He was like. As soon as he said that Team 10's not even making any money, he's like. Then I was angry. Like, that was.

[Logan Paul]

That was so funny. He told me that was a bar.

[Graham Stephan]

He.

[Logan Paul]

He was like, that was a good line to. Your investors know that?

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Your Investors know Team 10 ain't making any money.

[Graham Stephan]

And you thought that's the thing that really hurt.

[Jack Selby]

Like, really What I wrote wrote that.

[Logan Paul]

I was like, God damn, bro, we going crazy. Yeah, bro. How to put him in the dirt for that one. I don't know what I even said in the song, but now I gotta go and put you in the dirt. Like, but it's all out there. And that was real. And that was a. Became like an era of YouTube, the YouTube diss track era championed by me and my brother. It was insane.

[Graham Stephan]

Who has a better musical career?

[Jack Selby]

You were Jack.

[Logan Paul]

I don't know. But we both have platinum records, which is crazy because it's like.

[Jack Selby]

I would say it's Everyday Bro is more known.

[Logan Paul]

Absolute banger. Yeah, Every day.

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, Nick Crompton just really took that to the next level.

[Logan Paul]

Absolutely. He just crushed it. Everyday Bro's a banger. Jake definitely tried to make a run at music. I did too. I did too. Then I think we both realized that we're just not. We don't have the it factor. I don't got the talent sucks.

[Jack Selby]

What is Jake taught?

[Logan Paul]

If you.

[Jack Selby]

And do you ever look at what he has or what he's accomplished with, like, any envy or jealousy, I think

[Logan Paul]

I'd be lying if I said no. I don't know any, like, specific examples that come to mind, but it's definitely a very easy narrative for people online to like, he's jealous of his brother. And Jake's even approached me once and been like, bro, you're jealous of me. And I had to be like, dude, from the bottom of my heart, like, I'm in the happiest place of my life, and I'm so glad you have everything you've ever wanted, and so do. I don't have an ounce of jealousy for you. Like, there was. There was. There was a Narrative online for a while that I was jealous of his fight career, which I like. I think the way these things get spun up is by like a look or something said or me being like, oh, I think I could beat you. And then people like, he's just jealous. No, I'm like a delusional optimist. Like Jake thought he could be Anthony Joshua. No, bro. Like, no. No shot. But like he believed it. So then I kind of believed it. Like that's just the way. That's the way work. I. What he's taught me to answer that or what have I learned from him? He's got this ability to be patient that I really appreciate. His long term vision is more fleshed out than mine and in many ways he is more disciplined than me, which is an ultimate contributor to his success. He's extremely disciplined when he wants to be.

[Graham Stephan]

Is there anything he has in his life right now that you are a little bit jealous of? Private jet.

[Logan Paul]

Well, no, because he lets me use the private jet.

[Jack Selby]

Like.

[Logan Paul]

Like we. That's brotherly love right there.

[Jack Selby]

That's.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, like we get to pay at cost.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Like we get an extreme discount, man. I think jealous is the wrong word. Like, because jealous implies a bit of like, you don't want I should have that? No, I mean like it's all just things. And I think. I think the things that he has are like incredible. And I'm happy for him. I think his ranch is. That looks awesome. Purchase 5,500 acre ranch, bro. That's nine square miles.

[Jack Selby]

There might be dinosaurs on there.

[Logan Paul]

Doesn't appear to be in the dino bell. It's. It's in Georgia. You've looked. Yeah, yeah. Like he may. He may find. He may find something in there, but doesn't appear. Nah, bro. Like, I don't know. Not really.

[Graham Stephan]

You've also mentioned though recently that you're locking in. So you quit a lot of vices that you had. You're trying to focus on health.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you think if someone is a viewer, let's just say is broke and out of shape, the first thing they should do is get in shape or try to get their money up.

[Logan Paul]

Fitness is the first step to greatness without question. Undoubtedly. I used to not think that. I used to not think that. But if you're not taking care of yourself, how the can you take care of anything else? Your body is your temple. This is the one vessel you have. When I pray, I pray that I was put in this vessel. It's just a vessel, guys. My consciousness Is like wherever. But I've been programmed in this body. Treat it like a temple. Why would you not? And if you don't have discipline about the thing that's powering your entire existence on this planet, how can you expect to have discipline anywhere else? Put on your sneakers. I thought about writing a book one day and calling it put on your sneakers to me will alter like your intention of what you're doing. If you have your sneakers on and you show up in a gym like you don't, bro, just I dare you, I dare you to do this. Put on your sneakers and walk into a gym. What do you think you're gonna do?

[Graham Stephan]

Walk out.

[Logan Paul]

Out

[Graham Stephan]

straight to the treadmill? No incline? No. Probably like, no. Probably work out harder. Cuz honestly, sometimes I'll work out in Birkenstock, sometimes I'll work out in like slip ons. But I haven't even thought like, I haven't worked out in like, like running shoes in a while, bro.

[Logan Paul]

You don't even got to like just put on your tennis shoes. Go walk in a gym and see what happens if you turn around and walk out of that door. What kind of person are you, bro? You're in sneakers at the gym. In sneakers at the gym, bro. Go walk on a treadmill. I don't care what you do. Go walk on a treadmill next day. Go walk on the treadmill next day. After that, put it at 1% incline. Like start somewhere.

[Graham Stephan]

Fitness.

[Logan Paul]

Fitness, I think truly is the first step to greatness.

[Jack Selby]

How do you maintain your physique?

[Logan Paul]

First off, I'm incredibly consistent with my workouts. I've been working out for six days a week. Week. No matter how much I'm traveling or working or sleeping probably for the past year. So back to the consistency thing. And I noticed around month 4, 5, 6, you start to like, for me anyways, my body starts to look like really chiseled. I'm religious about recovery and I'm pretty specific with my pre workouts and post workouts.

[Jack Selby]

What do those look like?

[Logan Paul]

Well, from me, it's prime energy. Pre work, pre workout. Which like yes, it's my brand. Yes, I'm inherently a little bit biased. That thing makes me run through a wall at the gym and like it's way, way better than working out without it because like I like, I can power through a workout. I also think the type of workouts I do. He laughs at me. But I think, I think, I think the type of workouts I do do. Not a lot of people would do and I think, what do you mean?

[Graham Stephan]

What type of workouts do you.

[Logan Paul]

So every workout pretty much I start with a weighted jump rope, 15 minutes and then this is like a peak workout. At the end, at the last 10 seconds of every minute, you do double jumps.

[Jack Selby]

Oh, wow.

[Logan Paul]

Okay, so first off, I dare you to jump for 50 minutes with a weighted jump rope.

[Graham Stephan]

Rope.

[Logan Paul]

You're gonna die. Second off, the double jumps for the last 10 seconds. At the end of every, every, every minute gets you shredded in your whole body and you're doing cardio. After that, you start your workout, like your actual workout. And so like to me, it's an easy way to both shred and get cardio. Burn a ton of calories. You're accomplishing a lot and working a lot of your body. Just, just jump jumping rope and you could do it wherever and then obviously say post workout. So Prime Shake yet yet again is another prime product.

[Graham Stephan]

But what's your macros looks like?

[Logan Paul]

I don't count them.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you just generally try to eat like low calorie high protein? Like when's the last time you had like fast food?

[Logan Paul]

Probably the other day at the FBO we had some McDonald's hash browns.

[Graham Stephan]

So lean though, year round.

[Logan Paul]

A my metabolism, it might be genetics or like, like genetics are pretty important, bro. And like I, I have really good genetics and a crazy metabolism. Like I was the skinny kid and the small kid in high school. Then I hit puberty and like filled out. So my metabolism was crazy. But I would say I feel like intermittent fasting has a little something to do with it. I generally don't eat a full meal until about 3 to 5pm that's when I eat breakfast. And then like I said, I'm also religious about recovery.

[Graham Stephan]

And what's your workout split look like? Or is there any specific workout that has worked incredibly well for you that people don't do?

[Logan Paul]

I mean, yeah, it would be the jump rope. Okay, jump rope. And then, and then I'll, I'll alternate what I'm doing each day based on like specific parts of my, my body.

[Graham Stephan]

What do you think is the most underdeveloped muscle in your physique?

[Logan Paul]

Probably my legs.

[Jack Selby]

It's always calves for me. These are tough.

[Graham Stephan]

When have you ever worked out your calves?

[Jack Selby]

I just did the other the other week. We got new equipment at the gym. Okay.

[Graham Stephan]

Aside from that. Yeah.

[Jack Selby]

But I stopped doing it because I never saw results for cats. It's tough. Ever. And I was like, why am I spending time on this? I think your calves are like the same because I jump rope.

[Logan Paul]

I jump rope, bro. Think. I think it's all just calf, calf, calf, calf, jump rope. You know how many times a jump rope, bro? I've been jump roping for five years straight. Then you add that weighted jump rope and you just go nuts.

[Jack Selby]

What do you listen to in your jump roping?

[Logan Paul]

I. I'm not incredibly particular. Nina's a great dj. She has a dope EDM playlist. I like edm.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay.

[Logan Paul]

Because it's a good tempo. And then I'm down one of these 18 Prime Energy. Go work out with some EDM sneakers at the gym.

[Jack Selby]

Add that I'm only half and I feel pretty locked in.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. Do you look smacks?

[Logan Paul]

No, I don't look. Looks, Max looks. Maxing is interesting.

[Graham Stephan]

It's.

[Logan Paul]

It's interesting.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you like looks maxing?

[Logan Paul]

I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. I feel like if people want to look smacks, like, go for it. Like, anything to make you feel comfortable in your own skin.

[Graham Stephan]

Would you lose your current physique for $100 million dollars?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

And then just get right back into shape?

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Jack Selby]

But let's say you could only be out of shape.

[Logan Paul]

No, no, I'm already. I already have some genetic dispositions that concern me specifically with my heart that run in the family. And so, like, I have to. I have to be health conscious. Like, bro, again, 30 years old. Get a clearly scanned on your heart. See, like some of my arteries have like 20% buildup up, bro.

[Jack Selby]

What's your cholesterol?

[Logan Paul]

It's not high. It's not cholesterol.

[Jack Selby]

What's causing the plaque?

[Logan Paul]

Genetics, I think that's what I was

[Jack Selby]

told because usually that shows up with high particles and cholesterol. If you do like a blood work, take my cholesterol because I have the same thing and I've been bringing it down with omega 3s.

[Logan Paul]

I take omega Threes.

[Jack Selby]

Okay.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the best piece of content you've ever made?

[Logan Paul]

It's gotta be my Pokemon content.

[Graham Stephan]

The best piece of content.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, you've been making content for so long.

[Logan Paul]

The 99, our 99 originals was spectacular, if I do say so myself. It's definitely my proudest accomplishment in content, but I think the best would be Pokemon related stuff. And I only say that because I just went back to watch it recently because I'm scripting this next quest that I'm on and I was watching it and I was like, bro, this content is incredible. Like, I don't know when the last time you guys have watched that. That those Pokemon videos, like, like pursuing the Pikachu Illustrator or buying the $200,000 first edition. It's really good, if I do say so myself. Yeah. I don't know how anyone can watch it. Be like, this sucks. And I think that's why it has so many views. I remember when I posted being like, why does this have so many views? And I watch back now I'm like, oh, it deserves 10 million views. This is incredible. Incredible.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah, they're really good videos.

[Logan Paul]

Thank you.

[Graham Stephan]

Thank you.

[Jack Selby]

How often have you gotten scammed when buying cards? Because I saw that one Pikachu Illustrator, and you peel it off. Was that real? Is that like an actual scam? Or did you find one of these

[Logan Paul]

cards that was real? I did not have a lot of conviction that it was a real card because it was like some kid in the area who was like, yeah, I found this, like, found this card. My guess is that he was the one who printed. Printed it out, and it didn't entirely look real. And I threw him. I threw him him a couple thousand dollars because he was like, yeah, dude, just keep it. And I'm like, this probably isn't real, but I don't know how he made it. And then I got home and I was eating. I think it was pasta. You can see in the bowl in that video. He was eating pasta. And I was like, oh, my God, this is a sticker. So, bro, I take this fake Pikachu illustrator. I see that it's a sticker. I peel it off, and then in anger, I punch through the window. I punch through the window and sever my wrist and end up spending the night in the hospital two miles down the street. I get discharged from the hospital at 4am and I'm like, you know what? You sleep in the bed you make. I'm the who punched through a glass window in my house for stupid video. I'm a walk home. So I got Real humbled at 4am Walking home, bandaged up. And by the way, wow, wrist, brother.

[Jack Selby]

I thought.

[Logan Paul]

I thought I was going to die. I. I run upstairs to. To Mike. Mike's room. Who's. Who's. I think he was streaming, by the way.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

I'm like, bro, you got to take me to the hospital, bro.

[Graham Stephan]

Like, this is.

[Logan Paul]

I hate to interrupt, but I think this is serious. I'm bleeding out on my wrist, dude. Right on that vein as well.

[Graham Stephan]

Gosh.

[Logan Paul]

From a fake Pokemon card.

[Jack Selby]

Why hit the window why do that?

[Logan Paul]

I thought it was fun. Funny. I thought it was. I thought it would be funny if I was like, I was like, I'm pretty sure this card is fake. I think it's peeling. I'm gonna make a video and punch through this window. It's funny the lessons you learn from doing stupid.

[Jack Selby]

I remember that though, got my attention because I think you were eating cereal

[Logan Paul]

as you were doing. Maybe it was cereal.

[Graham Stephan]

On the topic of philosophy, I'm really fascinated by your mentality because like we addressed it seems like regardless of whatever's happening, you're able to persevere. Why is it that you think so many people have a victim mindset? And obviously we don't need even need to like address why having a victim mindset is bad. It just defers blame to everything else. So you take no responsibility.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

And no one will fix your life. Only you can do that. So you need to accept responsibility for your life.

[Logan Paul]

I mean, you're, you're saying it, but there's nothing, there's.

[Graham Stephan]

Why do people, why is it so pervasive?

[Logan Paul]

There's nothing like revelatory here that I'm going to say that like, you guys probably don't know or haven't said yourselves, but I think a lot of people are like generally unhappy even if they don't know it. I think there's potentially like deep feelings of inadequacy and the only way to make themselves feel better is to pretend that everything is happening to them. The world is happening at them. Life is, life is serving them up. The situation versus is becoming an adult and grabbing this by the horns and taking charge of your own life. It's my daughter. She's having fun. Like it's, it's, it's, it's difficult to like manifest your reality and go do things and find motivation or do like do things that compel you. And I think it's easy to place blame on other people and make yourself a victim of life. It's easy, bro. Like you feel like about your life. Go on YouTube, bro. Leave a hate comment. You know, many hate comments I've left.

[Graham Stephan]

How many?

[Logan Paul]

One.

[Graham Stephan]

To who?

[Logan Paul]

I don't know. I was just 12 years old. I was 12 years old and I went to go leave a hate comment on a video and I pressed a post. I pressed post and I remember as a 12 year old thinking, holy, I'm a hater. This is crazy. Why did I do that? What's, what is wrong with me? Like, why? But you know, that person could have read that video or my comment and been like, holy.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

El Doggy J Slice thinks I'm a loser.

[Graham Stephan]

If you were to give one piece of wisdom to the viewer right now, probably an 18 to 35 year old

[Jack Selby]

man, male, 97% chance.

[Graham Stephan]

Chance it is. Unfortunately, 2%, 3% of that's a woman.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah. If you are the 2 to 3%, by the way, please comment. Please let us know.

[Graham Stephan]

It helps.

[Logan Paul]

Mike does this with his viewers. They're called the 7%.

[Graham Stephan]

The 7 7%.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What would you say to these people? Maybe they're dissatisfied with where they're at in life.

[Logan Paul]

I kind of said this earlier, but my number one advice would be do your best to get some discipline. Like try to structure some discipline in your life. And perhaps writing down your goals would help with that. It certainly helped me becoming goal oriented. Because if you know what you're trying to achieve and bro, I'm saying this can be the smallest thing. It doesn't matter. Make your bed every morning. Make that a goal. I don't care. Like, start small. You don't climb a mountain in one step. You start with one step. You don't eat an elephant in one bite. I don't know why you'd be eating an elephant, but it's like a saying. Yeah. And so like start small, Stop comparing yourself to other people and find the thing that makes you tick. I truly believe this.

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[Logan Paul]

You'll have celebrities and influencers and motivational speakers tell you like, like you could do whatever you put your mind to. You know, we're all, we're like, everyone's made equal. Like you could do it. That's. I'm going to be honest with you, that's not true. And I know that because I've tried to do things that, like, I work hard, I work really hard. And I will immerse myself in a project or an endeavor and just go all in. And I found that no, no matter how all in you go, even if you go so hard, you want it to work out so bad, sometimes it just doesn't work out. It doesn't work out that it's happened to me before. And so, like that, like, yeah, just work hard. You'll win no matter what. Doesn't always apply. What I think can apply is finding what makes you tick. Find out the thing that makes you want to get out of bed every morning, even if it's something that you don't even consider for one second. Could be, like, a viable business opportunity, because if you do what you love every morning day, you'll never have to work a day in your life. It is so cliche. It is so true. And I don't care if it's bro collecting prime bottles. Like, for example, there's a guy on YouTube who loves collecting prime bottles, prime creations. He's got, like, hundreds of thousands of followers. And, you know, God willing, this becomes a. A crazy brand one day. And, well, I guess it already is, but, like, you know, a legacy brand one day, which is a goal of ours. And, like, you know, his. His collection's gonna be worth a lot of money. Like, the things that interest you, there is someone else out there who it interests. And so, like, what I do believe is everyone does have something special in them that they can exploit and work hard to maximize. But you have to find it, and you will find it by going out and doing and having hard conversations and looking inwards and. And meditate, pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone. But, like, it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. But, like, hopefully you find it. I found professional wrestling at 27 years old. I was 27 years old, and I found the thing that I truly believe I was born to do. 27 years, which I still think is incredibly early.

[Graham Stephan]

No, that was hyped. Yeah.

[Jack Selby]

Honestly.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, that. That sounded like you could have recited that from something else. I mean, that was phenomenal.

[Logan Paul]

Thanks.

[Graham Stephan]

You know what? I love a lot of the people that we bring onto the show. Obviously, we've spoken to so many impressive people. Most people that are very impressive have came across a lot of failure. And if you're lucky, failure will then result into you rounding out your personality more. If you're unlucky, then failure can turn you bitter and displeased with life. And it's kind of your response to failure will determine if you become successful or a real failure indeed. Because if you. You're. If you're the right type of person, a failure will become a learning experience, which will then result in more successes. So I see you as someone who has came up against a lot of failure in your life, but every single time you've utilized it in the proper way, like, you did the right thing. You did the thing that rounds out your personality, that lets you learn from it to then hopefully lead to more successes than failures. But a failure to you is just an opportunity to grow, which I know is super cliche and cheesy once again, but it seems like your personality is, like, incredibly rounded out, way different than, than what I would have thought. And obviously, I had the pleasure of being able to sit across from you and ask you questions. A lot of people obviously will not get this opportunity, and they're going to continue to have their beliefs about you through the computer screen. But I am basically 100% confident if they had the opportunity to sit across from you and just have a conversation with you, like, man to man. Man to man, then they would come to the same conclusion. Conclusion.

[Jack Selby]

I want to ask you something.

[Logan Paul]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[Jack Selby]

Why did you do the podcast? Why come on here? Yeah. Because you didn't, you didn't have to do this.

[Logan Paul]

Hey, I know we've been talking about it for a while.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

There's a bit of persistence on your end that is admirable.

[Jack Selby]

We're good at that.

[Logan Paul]

It goes a long way, guys, because, A, I said it when we first hopped on. I respect your work. I like you guys as interviewers. I see the types of questions you're asking and, like, I've found we've had a rich conversation, although it's been me talking most of the time. But, like, I think you can, I think you're good at getting the best out of people, or at least like a good version of people out of themselves. And so, A, I respect the platform and I, I'm grateful for the opportunity to come on it. And then B, you're persistent. I also thought that following this Illustrator sale, like, we kind of have something to talk about. It's, it's, I, I, I'll do things sort of, if there's, if I find that there's, like, material.

[Graham Stephan]

Sure.

[Logan Paul]

I think the Illustrator sale is interesting and I think there's a lot of fodder happening. And so, like, it was nice to talk about it.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah, no, we've, I've really appreciate it. Like, to have this opportunity for us to. Is massive.

[Logan Paul]

Really.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Thanks, guys.

[Jack Selby]

Because I remember when I started making YouTube videos in 2016, and at that time, you were the one that was really doing, like, major things. And I don't know if you remember this. We actually met. I think it was 2015. It might have been at 24 Hour Fitness on Hollywood Boulevard.

[Logan Paul]

Holy no Way.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

No way. I went for a very short amount of time.

[Jack Selby]

Exactly.

[Logan Paul]

That's where I met George Jenko.

[Jack Selby]

Really?

[Logan Paul]

We could have been the best friends.

[Jack Selby]

Wow.

[Logan Paul]

It's where I met George.

[Jack Selby]

That's crazy.

[Logan Paul]

That is crazy.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

What do we say? What was the conversation?

[Jack Selby]

I think I just went up there and said, hey, man, I enjoy your videos.

[Logan Paul]

Damn.

[Jack Selby]

And you were like, oh, thanks, bro. Thanks. Really appreciate that. Like, you, you were nice, but you were also, like, in between sets and I didn't want to, like, bug you. I'm like, oh, great meeting you, man. See you around.

[Logan Paul]

George said he liked my vines. And then he just bothered me in between all the sets and this person's name, but he's funny. So I exchanged numbers and then we became best friends.

[Jack Selby]

See, I'm so aware of people that I just don't want to bother people. It's like even texting people sometimes, like, oh, Jack, I don't want to bother these people, but I found that sometimes that, like, I should be sending these texts.

[Logan Paul]

It's fair. I. I'll tell you. I'm. I am. One, two, three, four unresponded messages. Deep with Palmer.

[Graham Stephan]

Lucky.

[Logan Paul]

That's happens. It's pretty bad.

[Graham Stephan]

So wait, he's texted you or you've texted him?

[Logan Paul]

I've texted him four times with no response.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm sure he's a busy guy.

[Logan Paul]

He's a very busy guy. Yeah, he's running a few real big companies.

[Jack Selby]

But like, but like, but yeah, I wouldn't be offended by that. I'd be like, all right,

[Logan Paul]

I'll get the occasional, like, unrelated text back about something random. And it's almost like those four didn't happen. So I'm like, yeah, I've come to accept that, like, like, that's the relationship. He's doing a lot of things and that's fine, bro. Like, persistence is a. Is a. Is valuable and it can go a long way.

[Graham Stephan]

Well, we have some rapid fire questions to ask. You here to end this out first. Starting it off. It's a few you or Jake questions. Okay, who has the best song? You or Jake?

[Logan Paul]

Jake.

[Graham Stephan]

Who has more money? You or Jeff? Jake.

[Logan Paul]

Jake.

[Graham Stephan]

Who wins in a fight? You or Jake?

[Logan Paul]

Boxing or mma?

[Graham Stephan]

Boxing.

[Logan Paul]

Jake.

[Graham Stephan]

Mma.

[Logan Paul]

Me.

[Graham Stephan]

Who has a better hairline? You or Jake?

[Logan Paul]

Me.

[Jack Selby]

Could we see it? Can we see that?

[Graham Stephan]

It's not.

[Jack Selby]

That's not bad.

[Logan Paul]

It's not horrible.

[Graham Stephan]

No. Well, you would think that if you keep it kind of like covering up your forehead that it would be.

[Logan Paul]

It's not horrible.

[Graham Stephan]

It would be higher.

[Logan Paul]

I'm looking forward to the day that we buzz it off and I enter my Jeff Bezos era.

[Jack Selby]

Why. Why wouldn't you just do a hair trainer transplant?

[Logan Paul]

Like.

[Graham Stephan]

Like, go to turkey.

[Jack Selby]

Turkey, yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Looks max.

[Logan Paul]

I've. I've heard that the turkey hair transplant doesn't always work.

[Jack Selby]

Well, it doesn't have to be turkey. I mean, there's some really great doctors in the United States.

[Graham Stephan]

Like, you probably have the money to.

[Logan Paul]

It just seems like I could get it done.

[Jack Selby]

Hair loss at this point can be cured and solved.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. You think we're there for the mo.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Visually.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Good shout. Yeah, good shout. Okay, let me know if you know a guy. Actually, I do know a guy. I do know a guy who's apparently very good. I'll get it done.

[Graham Stephan]

Who are the Mount Rushmore of social media?

[Logan Paul]

Mount Rushmore of social media.

[Graham Stephan]

Top four, like, made the biggest impact.

[Logan Paul]

Speed. Mr. Beast.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah, I was about to say Casey Neistat has to be on there.

[Logan Paul]

I love Casey, but he's not for me.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay.

[Logan Paul]

I love Casey.

[Graham Stephan]

It's got to be a vlogger. You were David Doverink.

[Logan Paul]

Smosh. Smosh.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Logan Paul]

Smosh. For sure.

[Graham Stephan]

Maybe.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe Just not only not because, like, it seems like those, like, OG V1 1 YouTubers kind of, like, gave up or something. Like, there's an argument for, like, Jenna Marbles in there, you know? But I don't. I don't know because I don't know if they're still going. Like, smosh is still going. And, like, Anthony and Ian. You'll see him pop up here and

[Jack Selby]

there, and it's hard to pivot after a certain time stuff.

[Logan Paul]

It's really.

[Jack Selby]

And it's mentally draining to keep it going for 10 years plus. And your audience grows up, and it's hard to keep capturing that same thing.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, you got to adapt. Yeah, man. I don't. I don't even know, like, there's an argument for Roman Atwood.

[Graham Stephan]

Even.

[Jack Selby]

Even.

[Logan Paul]

I. I would say.

[Graham Stephan]

I would.

[Logan Paul]

I would.

[Graham Stephan]

Lowkey.

[Logan Paul]

Say there's an argument for Mark Rober as well.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Logan Paul]

Like, bro, Mark makes some bangers that are really unique. Bro. When I seen those squirrels going through that obstacle course, I was like, who the is doing this? Yeah, I'll say. Mark. Yeah, mark. Mark Smosh. Mr. Beast. And speed.

[Graham Stephan]

Who had better vlogs? You were David Dobrik.

[Logan Paul]

Overall, David in the COVID era.

[Graham Stephan]

Me. Who's the most? Oh, go ahead.

[Logan Paul]

I was Gonna say my I'm proud of my Covert era vlogs.

[Jack Selby]

Those are good.

[Graham Stephan]

Thanks.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, those are fun.

[Graham Stephan]

Who's the most famous person in your phone?

[Logan Paul]

Probably, probably the Rock or Kevin Hart.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you text them frequently or.

[Logan Paul]

No, not frequently. I don't want to bother them.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah, they're probably like, why does Logan never tell you he must not like us.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Or, or, or, or Tom Brady, who's very responsive.

[Graham Stephan]

That's insane.

[Logan Paul]

And, and just a great guy. He's awesome.

[Jack Selby]

That's wild.

[Graham Stephan]

When's the last time you were in a grocery store?

[Logan Paul]

Probably a couple months ago. We took Esme to the grocery store.

[Graham Stephan]

You can't go to grocery stores.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, I go to grocery stores. Yeah. Because my wife likes to shop and she's, she's a pretty good cook and we found out like, we're taking advantage of the section where you can put the baker baby, so they face you when you push the car. When you have a kid, it's, it's, it's different because they're having so much fun. They're sitting there, you give them something to play with.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the most you've ever spent on a first date?

[Logan Paul]

On a first date? Oh, man. Man, I don't know. Probably nothing crazy because I, I, I, I, like maybe just like a nice dinner or something because I, because I do think, like, I think there's something to be said about providing too much monetary value on like a first date date. Like if a girl knows you have money, you gotta expect that. Like, how can we know what her intentions are? So if you go to like McDonald's or something and they're still cool with it, like, it's kind of a plus because I don't know, maybe they can just like kick around and have a fun time without having to go to like a five star restaurant.

[Graham Stephan]

I don't know who's the smartest person you know?

[Logan Paul]

Probably my partner in Prime.

[Graham Stephan]

Are you still going to run for president at 35?

[Logan Paul]

I think I've kind of changed my tune on that at the moment. I think about it here and there and like people are listening to this and probably think it's ridiculous, but I think like both my brother and I have proven and just the world itself has proven that like kind of anything can happen. And if you have the drive and like wherewithal to pursue something, I think I could definitely make a good run at president. The issues that I'm having right now with that is one, I feel like it's a really hard job like it's an impossible job. Like I feel like it's really difficult and a lot of energy and work. I have a bit of an energy problem. Like I started this podcast saying I'm always tired. Like I'm, I, I get tired. Like I, I'd like to sleep eight to nine hours a night. I don't think a president can do that. We'll see what happens. Moreover, the other thing I'm running into is that I think at least now my ego would tough time serving people. At least 50% of people who hate you. You know that right? Like you're president, half of the country hates you. If you're lucky, 25 to 30% of

[Jack Selby]

and trying to actively you too at the same.

[Logan Paul]

Oh, and trying. And trying to kill you, bro. Oh, oh, oh. Don't even get me started on the methods of assassination that are going to happen. Wait till they have drones this big, bro. And they can just mosquito fly a drone from 50 miles away into your head.

[Jack Selby]

Have you seen this? China robots, bro.

[Logan Paul]

They're cook, bro. Presidents are going to have to give speeches in drone proof bunkers, glass little like boxes. It's going to be horrible. But like, yeah, I think like I would have a problem knowing I'm giving, I'm giving my all to try to make this country and its people the best that we possibly can. And half of them want you to die and do not agree with your position. That's tough. That, that's, that's tough, bro.

[Jack Selby]

Eventually I think we're going to have

[Logan Paul]

an AI press president one 1000% and if the president is AI, is, is not AI they will be told exactly what to do and say by AI.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah bro.

[Logan Paul]

That's not insane statement.

[Jack Selby]

It's.

[Logan Paul]

It is 100% inevitable.

[Jack Selby]

Everything is just going to be automated.

[Logan Paul]

100%.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah bro.

[Logan Paul]

They're going to be able to, to do the job better than anyone. Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What's your most insecure physical feature?

[Logan Paul]

It used to be my acne. I had very bad acne. And then it used to be I think probably like my hair, like my hairline. But like I think I've just gone through enough and like accomplished enough and made enough money to like stop giving a like bro, I look how I look. Or, or maybe it's just being 30 years old. Like I look how I look. This is the best I got, bro. Like what, what can I do?

[Graham Stephan]

Are you happier than the average person?

[Logan Paul]

I think so, yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the most you've made in a single day? It was the Other day it was the Pokemon Illustrator. Well, beyond that.

[Logan Paul]

No, no, not that. But, but, but, but that's kind of tough because none of these things are like. None of these things.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, it was a big buildup.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, they have, they have massive buildups. Yeah, everyone knows I made, I made, I made Maverick Me, maverick merchandise. Made $3 million in three days. We made a million a day, which was insane. But like, but like. Are you talking about, like, get a check cut to you on this day?

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, Floyd Mayweather.

[Logan Paul]

No, I didn't make as much money as you'd think. Friday.

[Jack Selby]

Did you, did you get paid from that?

[Logan Paul]

He still owes me a million and a half, maybe more.

[Graham Stephan]

How does he owe you the money? Why don't you just like, here's what happens happened.

[Logan Paul]

He pre sold the fight using my likeness to some company in I think Dubai or like the Middle East. This is my understanding of it. For $10 million cash. We ended up doing the fight in the States with a different company. That is the company that put on the fight. That is the company that Peyton. But he sold our fight with my name and likeness to someone else in Dubai for $10 million cash. Cash. It's our fight, bro. Our deal was 15%. He smoked me, so I got 15% of it. 15% of $10 million is $1.5 million. That company that paid him that money is suing him. I actually don't know the status on that lawsuit. I should check in because he still owes me money, but he has a bunch of legal trouble at the moment that I don't. I'm. I don't think I'm ever getting the money.

[Jack Selby]

He just sold his house in Vegas.

[Logan Paul]

Is he really? Yeah, I think. Yeah, he's, he's.

[Jack Selby]

He got, he's facing a rinsed on that house. He started at $14 million. He custom built the house, by the way, in like 2006. Yeah, started 14, reduced to 12.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Jack Selby]

10. Eight came on the market and I always. It was a lot of house for eight. Yeah, for a 6.6.

[Logan Paul]

Oh, he really got just.

[Jack Selby]

The cost to build that house was 9 or 10.

[Logan Paul]

Whoa. He got rinsed.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Godamn.

[Jack Selby]

It was huge.

[Logan Paul]

Godamn.

[Graham Stephan]

Who would win in a fight? You or 100 grams?

[Logan Paul]

Probably 100 grams a lot. 100 grams. It's a lot of people, bro. It's like, it's like the one silverback versus 100 guys, bro. Silverback doesn't stand a chance. Silverback scene 100 grams is a lot.

[Jack Selby]

I crush it.

[Logan Paul]

I could probably take. Yeah, I could take out, bro. No joke. I could probably take out between four and eight of you.

[Jack Selby]

That's so impressive.

[Graham Stephan]

Do you feel offended by that at all?

[Logan Paul]

What?

[Jack Selby]

Objectively, I think it's probably true.

[Graham Stephan]

Maybe nine would be two. Nine. He'd have two people on each leg.

[Logan Paul]

Yes, exactly.

[Graham Stephan]

And you'd be like. You'd be down one on your head.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. I can only give so many one shots. Like, I would have to be really fluid with my motion. No wasted movement. Not a single percentage of wasted movement. Movement. And one shot. Him just jaw, body, jaw, body.

[Jack Selby]

There's no way we surround you. There's. You would throw a shot, then what

[Logan Paul]

I would do in a surrounding situation is break the wall in one portion. I'd have to. I'd have to break the wall, then fight from behind. I can't allow myself to get flanked. Yeah, I can't. I cannot get flanked. You. You guys would smoke me, though. How much? How are you? Are you guys prepared for the influx of hate comments that are coming on this video and social media? I can't believe you would sit down with. With this.

[Jack Selby]

You know what's so funny, dude? I get all the hate. Jack gets nothing. Any single time.

[Graham Stephan]

I do get hate. Good, guys.

[Jack Selby]

It's. But no, it's never Jack. It's always like, I can't believe Graham would do this. It's 50. 50 Jack. And I. Jack gets off clean. And I say Jack is the best thing because we split this 50.

[Graham Stephan]

50.

[Jack Selby]

But I get 99% of the hate. 99% of the backlash is me. Even though we're 50. 50.

[Logan Paul]

That's fascinating.

[Graham Stephan]

Well, he has a huge personal brand outside of the iced coffee hour.

[Logan Paul]

Okay. Yeah, so that's. That. That's. That's definitely why. Yeah, yeah. For sure.

[Jack Selby]

Yeah. But the point.

[Graham Stephan]

I just get to say I'm just an assistant. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Selby]

Anytime something goes bad, I'm just the assistant.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

Are you prepared, bro?

[Jack Selby]

Like, is it going to be that bad? I don't think it's going to be.

[Graham Stephan]

I mean, people are gonna be like, why didn't you ask these certain questions to me? At the end of the day, it does not matter. Like, as much as I do love making great money and running this. This business, this podcast. The objective of the podcast is to not make as much money as possible. That is not it. The objective of the podcast is to scratch the curiosity itch that, you know, we've had for so long to talk to people that we want to talk to. For me, that's all I could ever ask for. So, look, if we get hate, so be it. That's fine. I try not to be bothered by it, you know, being online for as long as we have. Like, at a certain point, like you said, hate will just be a byproduct of being online, so. And Graham said, yeah, Jack doesn't get. I do get hate sometimes times. Don't discount me. That's a little bit of hate right there. No, but to me, it stopped bothering me for the most part once I saw just, like, how ridiculous it is.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah, well. Yeah, it gets. It gets crazy, bro.

[Graham Stephan]

Final question.

[Logan Paul]

Okay.

[Graham Stephan]

Who had the best verse in It's Everyday, bro. Yeah.

[Logan Paul]

It had to be Nick Crompton.

[Graham Stephan]

That's what I've been saying all these years. That is what I've been saying all these years.

[Logan Paul]

Yeah. Okay, boys.

[Jack Selby]

Logan, thank you.

[Graham Stephan]

Thank you so much. This means the world to us. Thank you guys all for watching. Watching. Flew all the way to Puerto Rico to make this happen. He invited us into his home. So kind, so generous. Also provide. They provided me with an amazing breakfast. Yes, these are delicious. Go get some. Thank you all for watching. Till next time.

[Logan Paul]

Yes. Thanks, guys.

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