Life After Breaking Bad: Walt Jr. Exposes The Dark Side Of Child Acting, Money, & Greed | RJ Mitte

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Iced Coffee Hour
Episode: Life After Breaking Bad: Walt Jr. Exposes The Dark Side Of Child Acting, Money, & Greed | RJ Mitte
Date: November 2, 2025
Hosts: Graham Stephan & Jack Selby
Guest: RJ Mitte (Actor, best known as Walt Jr. on Breaking Bad)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Iced Coffee Hour features RJ Mitte, who played Walt Jr. in Breaking Bad. RJ opens up about his journey as a child actor, the realities and predatory pitfalls of Hollywood, the corrosive effects of money and greed, his unique path following Breaking Bad, and hard-earned financial lessons. The conversation weaves through RJ’s personal stories, industry-wide issues, and candid thoughts on fame, money, and maintaining one’s values—offering both a cautionary tale and inspiration for aspiring actors, fans, and anyone curious about life inside Hollywood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Impact of Breaking Bad and the Dark Side of Hollywood

• Unexpected Success

  • RJ didn't foresee Breaking Bad’s cultural impact or its life-changing influence on him.
  • Quote: “It was a dream come true. But it also showed me how dark this industry can really be.” (RJ Mitte, 00:05)

• Corruption and Trust Issues

  • Hollywood's environment can be predatory, especially when fame and money are involved.
  • Quote: “People will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is… I trusted them, and they basically stole everything.” (RJ Mitte, 00:22)

• Financial Exploitation

  • RJ revealed he paid more in taxes (partly due to fraud) than he earned from Breaking Bad.
  • Bad business management (by someone specifically targeting young/disabled/elder actors) resulted in years of IRS debts.

2. Child Acting: Dangers, Drug Culture, and the Pressure to Perform

(Timestamp: 01:06–06:56)

• Vulnerable Environment

  • Child actors are exposed to adult parties, drugs, and unsupervised situations—often with little real protection.
  • “When you’re popular, it’s free… No one’s really protecting them because they’re a star.” (RJ Mitte, 02:15)

• Life After the Spotlight

  • The "party" lifestyle is unsustainable: when fame fades, so does the protection and resources, often leading to crisis.

• Advice for Prevention

  • Importance of parental guidance, emphasizing values over fame, and using cautionary tales as practical education.
  • “You have to instill in your children, and your team, these are not the avenues you want to go.” (RJ Mitte, 05:29)

3. Addiction & High-Pressure Industries

(Timestamp: 06:56–08:54)

• Drug Use in High-Stress Professions
  • Not exclusive to Hollywood; evident in fields like investment banking (e.g., cocaine use among high performers).
  • “That’s why you’ll see a lot of that… They have that high pressure, high stress, and it’s the game.” (RJ Mitte, 08:15)

4. RJ’s Path into Acting & Breaking Bad Origins

(Timestamp: 09:00–13:54)

• Family Hardships & Extra Work

  • RJ’s entry was serendipitous—his sister’s baby modeling gig brought the family to California during his mother’s partial paralysis.

• Getting the Role

  • Empathizes with being cast for authenticity—Breaking Bad wanted someone with cerebral palsy.
  • “Walt Jr. was the very last cast part.” (RJ Mitte, 11:40)
  • Memorable Moment: Getting the part after flying to New Mexico for test screening with the cast.

5. Breaking Bad's Rise & Industry Changes

(Timestamp: 13:54–17:41)

• Script Security

  • Early on, everyone received full scripts; later, only relevant character lines due to leaks.

• Netflix’s Pivotal Role

  • Streaming gave Breaking Bad global exposure (and made it one of most pirated shows ever); prior to that, it struggled for viewership.

• Impact on Society

  • The show increased awareness of meth in mainstream America and was often (incorrectly) accused of glorifying drug abuse.

6. The Business Side: Pay, Residuals, and Financial Pitfalls

(Timestamp: 33:46–47:55)

• Salaries & Residuals

  • RJ received minimum SAG rates as his first job—Breaking Bad’s cast wasn't paid nearly as much as presumed and residuals from streaming are minimal for actors.
  • “No, it doesn’t anymore. Like, that’s been a big issue over the past decade in our industry, especially with older actors.” (RJ Mitte, 35:11)

• Theft and Recovery

  • RJ’s business manager siphoned funds, falsified tax filings, and left him with a decade of debt.
  • Notable Quote: “It only took me 10 years to pay it off.” (RJ Mitte, 45:26)

• Advice to Young Actors

  • “Record it, mark down every dollar… know where your money is coming in and where your money is going out.” (RJ Mitte, 50:18)

7. Life, Career, and Philanthropy Post-Breaking Bad

(Timestamp: 51:16–77:37)

• Current Work

  • Most of RJ’s income now comes from speaking engagements and film roles (about one movie per year).
  • He prioritizes philanthropy, raising more for charity than he personally makes, focusing on Shriners Hospitals for Children and United Cerebral Palsy.

• Views on Money

  • Sees money as a tool, not a goal or measure of self-worth:
    • “Money is a tool… What someone is willing to do for the right number never ceases to amaze me.” (RJ Mitte, 61:13)

8. Collecting & Memorabilia

(Timestamp: 53:13–59:52)

• RJ is a committed collector (Breaking Bad crutches, rock candy “meth”, clothing, etc.), holds onto fan gifts and memorabilia, and refuses to sell his original crutches—even for six-figure offers.

9. Investment Philosophy

(Timestamp: 77:37–87:57)

• Cautious and Diversified

  • Splits between index funds, select real estate, penny stocks (for fun), and even invests (lightly) in cryptocurrencies and unusual ventures (asteroid mining).

• Financial Goal

  • To build a portfolio that provides steady, sustainable income, allowing him to pursue work without financial pressure.

10. Advice on Longevity in the Acting Industry

(Timestamp: 87:57–91:06)

• Consistency & Professionalism

  • Success comes from showing up, being prepared (“punctuality is so important”), and maximizing the moment when readiness meets opportunity:
    • “Life is—the most important thing is when readiness meets opportunity.” (RJ Mitte, 89:00)

• Networking

  • Building genuine, asset-focused relationships is crucial; memorable presence helps open doors.

11. Typecasting and Next Steps

• Typecasting remains a real issue ("You’re still Walt Jr., regardless"), so RJ is careful to select roles that expand his range.
• Dreams of returning to a well-crafted, ensemble-driven TV drama, but recognizes the rarity of a phenomenon like Breaking Bad.

12. The Future: AI, Ethics, and Representation in Hollywood

(Timestamp: 95:16–99:41)

• RJ remains optimistic about tech’s role as a tool, not a replacement for human acting.
• Champions accurate representation for actors with disabilities, though acknowledges the commercial reasons behind casting recognizable faces.

13. Behind the Scenes & Fun Moments

• Fan Interactions
  • Wildest encounters: fans trying to steal his hair, being asked to curse them out like his character.
• Best Career Advice Received
  • “Always be prepared for when readiness meets opportunity.” (RJ Mitte, 125:27)
• Collecting and Holding Onto Fame
  • Has memorabilia from the Breaking Bad set, never sold despite significant offers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Scams in Hollywood:
  “It only took me 10 years to pay it off.” (RJ Mitte, 45:26)

• On Mother’s Influence:
  “My mother would tell me so many stories about my father. Breaking Bad changed my life in a great way…but it also showed me how dark this industry can really be.” (RJ Mitte, 00:05)

• On Money as a Corrupting Force:
  “People will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is.” (RJ Mitte, 00:22)

• On Remaining True to Self:
  “You always have to stay true to yourself...once you start losing who you are as a person, you’ve lost the game.” (RJ Mitte, 74:01)

• On Fame, Fans, and Friendships:
  “I worked really hard to not let fame affect me…to always never let my work get to my head.” (RJ Mitte, 105:55)

• On the Value of Philanthropy:
  “You don’t have to give money… it’s about your time and willingness to volunteer.” (RJ Mitte, 131:20)

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Important Timestamps

• Dark Side of Child Acting: 00:03–04:15
• Drug Culture in Hollywood: 02:15–04:18, 07:56–08:54
• Getting Cast/Breaking Bad Origin: 09:00–13:54
• Netflix & Breaking Bad’s Popularity: 13:54–16:28
• Insider Stories: Set Mishaps & Memorabilia: 18:47–26:44, 53:13–59:52
• Actor Pay, Residuals, Financial Scams: 33:46–47:55
• Advice to New Actors on Money: 50:14–51:15
• Charity Work Focus: 76:55–77:37, 131:20–132:21
• Investment & Financial Goals: 77:37–87:57
• Typecasting & Post-Breaking Bad Career: 91:06–93:53
• Ethics & Sexual Predation in Hollywood: 73:36–75:53
• Fan Encounters/Memes: 124:16–125:08
• Rapid Fire Questions: 121:52–125:48

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

The tone is open, self-reflective, sometimes candidly grim but also humorous and optimistic. RJ Mitte emphasizes resilience, the value of integrity, the importance of financial and personal responsibility, and the need for young actors to cultivate a strong support system.

For Listeners Who Haven’t Heard the Episode

This episode unpacks what life is truly like for a young actor who lands on a cultural juggernaut like Breaking Bad, and explores the personal and financial challenges behind the fame. RJ’s insights are invaluable for anyone interested in the entertainment industry, resilience, or charting a meaningful life after early success.

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Links & Organizations Mentioned

• Shriners Hospitals for Children – National site
• United Cerebral Palsy – National site

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“Always be prepared for when readiness meets opportunity.” — RJ Mitte (125:27)

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Transcript

[Jack]

Did you know how big of a deal it was going to be?

[RJ Mitte]

No. No. My mother would tell me so many stories about my father. Breaking Bad changed my life in a great way. It was a dream come true. But it also showed me how dark this industry can really be.

[Graham Stephan]

How have you seen money corrupt people in Hollywood?

[RJ Mitte]

People will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is. When you have someone that desperately needs it, that's willing to do any, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power. It was just one of those days. You get a letter and it's like your heart drops. I trusted them, and they basically stole everything. And because of that, I paid more in taxes than I got from Breaking Bad.

[Jack]

Were these, like, Hollywood elites? Were these people that people would know?

[Graham Stephan]

Rj, thank you so much for coming on the Iced Coffee Hour.

[RJ Mitte]

Such a pleasure to be here.

[Graham Stephan]

Really appreciate it, man. You seem very well adjusted. Why do you, why do you think so many child actors end up going off the rails or having difficulty later in life?

[RJ Mitte]

So I started when I was 12. I was doing extra work and stuff like that. And, you know, the industry is very different, but living in California and, you know, when you're hot, you're hot, and you're not, you're not. And when you're a young kid and you're easily influenced and, you know, it's the stars, it's the people. It's like, it's glitz and glamour and all these things. And, you know, you don't, I find you don't see, like, the force through the trees, right? And, you know, you hear a lot about drug abuse and a lot of, like, drug activity and kids getting into stuff young and then affecting them, and they come out later in life. And when you're, when you're popular, it's free, right? Everyone's like, people offer me stuff all the time. And I'm like, I'm good on that. I, I, I've seen enough problems. I don't need any problems.

[Jack]

Who is offering you stuff?

[RJ Mitte]

Random, random parties and, like, Hollywood just. I, I was speaking at a university and, and, you know, with Breaking Bad, with the drug content, people are, like, always talking about different types of drugs and, like, different types of comments, and it's there, like, you know, like, you don't have to look very far anywhere in the world to find these types of entities that will be offering or trying to sell and trying to hook. And, you know, for years, it's like, people will be like, here you go. Here's free drinks. I mean, look at every event that you'll go to, like at clubs and parties, it's all open bar. So imagine young kids are going to open bars. They're hot. They just want an Emmy. They just won an Oscar. They just, whatever it is. And like, no one's, no one's really protecting them because they're a star. They don't need protection. And let's go fast forward 10 years. Well, the bar is not open anymore. So now you have people that have been partying and living a certain life for so long and you. Everyone fades out over time. You know, you can't be on, you can't be at the top of the mountain forever, and it's a long way down from the top. And so you've lived this lifestyle for so long, you know, that's where you see people that are making a lot of money and their bills get bigger and bigger and bigger and then the money stops. And then it's like everything's gone. And there's no protection in that. There's no one saying, like, hey, slow down. Like, it's like, no, you got to keep going. You got to make that check. You got to get out there and keep pushing until one day you either. I say pressure is great for making diamonds, but it also can make rubble and it can destroy people. And I just think you can't always keep pushing hard. You gotta take time for yourself.

[Graham Stephan]

What was the closest you got to falling into that pressure?

[RJ Mitte]

I don't really like, you know, I grew up in a weird environment where I was very family oriented at a young age, so. So like, I would like to go out and I. And like, I like to go out and have fun, but my responsibilities have kind of always overshadowed what, what I want to go have fun versus me having a greater responsibility and the consequences, everything I do, I look at. All right, cause and effect. What is the consequence to my action? Is it a positive consequence or is it a negative consequence? And I think throughout my life I've had very different positive influences and negative influences, but I've always saw the aftermath in different capacities. And I think it's really just about, you know, staying true to who you are and, you know, going to the parties, going to the Hollywood stuff, it's cool, but. But like, it wears on you and you just can't do it forever.

[Graham Stephan]

What do you think should be done for child actors in the future to prevent them from falling into that?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, I. There's not really a way to prevent People from living life like, you know, you as. I'm not a parent yet, but, but I have many friends who are parents and I've, I've raised my sister in a capacity and take care of my family. And you know, I think it's, we always want the best for our children and I think it's think of their needs before your own. And especially when it comes to an industry where it's very predatorial, like the entertainment industry, I mean you can go back and look at history on it. It's not the kindest business and it's not a very forgiving business. And I think it's about staying true to who you are, instilling in your children, instilling in your, in your team that's like, hey, like these are the, these are not the avenues you want to go. And using previous examples of, look at what happened when they did these things. Do you want to be like that? You know, it's like, do you want to be like your uncle? Like do you or do you want to be like this? And it's like, you know, again, when you're at the top of it, no one's telling you these things. No one's like, no one's encouraging you to be good. They want you to be out there. They want this sensationalism. And I, I think it's about, you know, saying like, it's like you don't have to get out there to be whatever it is they think you are as long as you stay true to yourself. And I think that kind of will protect you.

[Graham Stephan]

Did you see the Charlie Sheen documentary?

[RJ Mitte]

I haven't, but I want to.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh my gosh, I just started it. He was able to hide a lot of this stuff. A lot of his usage you would have no idea. And he would just go to such an extreme. But he was able to get his work done, which is the most mind boggling thing about it.

[RJ Mitte]

And that's all they care about really. It's like, are you showing up to time on work? Are you saying your lines? Are you hitting your marks? And that consistency. People can hide their problems outside of that. Like drug abuse is such a rampant issue and like it happens under people's noses all the time. Like with Breaking Bad, I did work with the DEA and we had different enforcements and educational type structures in, in the show on like what these things, what these are and people hide it really well. Some of the, some of your like closest friends and family that you would never guess might, you know, I know.

[Jack]

It'S really common or more common than one would think in like investment banking and private equity. Like people are doing a lot of like C O C A I N E in that industry as well as other like crazy, crazy drugs. And those are high performers. Those are people that are working like 80 to 100 hour weeks.

[RJ Mitte]

Well, that, but that's why they're doing those substances. Like that's why you'll see a lot of that. I mean look at Wolf of Wall street. You know, look, look at, look at these types of investment movies and shows where it's like they have that high pressure, high stress where they're putting, you know, 24 hour days and like taking clients out. And it's, it's the game, you know, the game of, the game of whatever they're trying to play. And it's wild, it's out there, the stuff's out there. But if you're smart about it and you just kind of mind your own business and don't tattle, like be like I'm not involved but you do what you want.

[Jack]

Like what was the main reason you wanted to get into acting?

[RJ Mitte]

I started acting to keep, to meet kids my own age. So my sister got cast out of a water park when she was one and a half years old and that took us to California. It was for a Lusso Ball campaign. And I was around 11, 12. My mom, right after my sister was born was in a car accident and was partially paralyzed for about seven years. And my grandparents were both sick, one living in Texas, one in Louisiana. And so we were traveling between the two a lot. And this was kind of an opportunity for us to have a vacation. You know, this job that my sister got as a baby was a six month run at Universal. And we're like, yeah, let's do this thing. It's a six month paid vacation. And I just was with them and was like, okay, I guess I'm gonna try doing it as well. And I started doing extra work and I was on shows like Hannah Montana, Everybody, H. Chris Weed, seventh Heaven, Drill Bit Tay as an extra. And that's the one thing that like I recommend to people is if they want to get in the entertainment industry, especially acting, extra work is like my number one step to, to getting into it because you're going to find out if you like it or not, if you can handle being an extra, you can handle all the other stuff. But there's a lot of people that can't handle the extra work because like, they don't always treat you right. It's super long hours and, and you know, you're. You're low man on the totem pole. They could be like, you know, you, you're a disruption. Never come back. And so I just started doing that to meet kids my own age and was auditioning as well for other shows. Actually, my very first audition was an anti meth campaign.

[Graham Stephan]

No.

[RJ Mitte]

In the state of California. And I didn't get it, of course.

[Graham Stephan]

What do they have you say?

[RJ Mitte]

Well, it wasn't really having me say anything. The, the, the commercial aired. Um, I saw the commercial many, many years ago you probably find on YouTube. But it's this guy that comes in high on meth. And like, I was one of the. I auditioned for one of the kids, the family, right? There's like a mom and two kids and the dad comes in high on meth and like screaming and throwing things and, and it was just like us being afraid and. And I didn't get it. I didn't get the audition. But about six months to a year later, I started auditioning for Breaking Bad and that changed my life.

[Graham Stephan]

So who gave you the script for this?

[RJ Mitte]

So I was auditioning through my agent and my manager at the time, just in general, and Breaking Bad came along specifically seeking people with disabilities. And what was funny is, at the time, I didn't like, you know, there were certain auditions, I would send in my resume that had cerebral palsy on it, and there were, more often than not, the ones that did not say that I had a disability on my resume. And this one specifically came in looking for someone with cerebral palsy. And at the time, there wasn't really a lot of us in the media. There wasn't really a lot of diversification as far as people with disabilities. And so they really wanted someone with a disability. And Sharon Brali, the casting director for Breaking Bad, who had already cast Brian Aaron, Betsy, the whole family was cast except for me. I was the very. Well, Walt Jr. Was the very last cast part. And so I auditioned over six months and my last two auditions were. I, I auditioned in la. They're like, hey, so they like you. You're moving on. They're already filming in New Mexico, the show at the time in Albuquerque. So we're going to fly you to New Mexico to meet the team there to audition for Vince in person, as well as do a test screening with Brian and Anna. And I literally flew in, got in at like 6, 7 in the morning, auditioned at 9. They sent me away. It was against one other person at the time. It was narrowed down between the two of us. And they called me back in for a test screening and then they were like, okay, thank you. I met Brian and Anna. They sent me to my room and I went to bed. I didn't. I had a flight at like 2 o' clock that day. They called me. Vince calls me and goes, hey, so you got the part. Congratulations. Go pack your bags because you're, you're already late. We're already filming, so we need you back here.

[Jack]

Did you know how big of a deal it was going to be? And like, at what point did you realize, oh, like, this is going to be one of the biggest shows of all time?

[RJ Mitte]

You know, we knew we had something special. Like, we knew the show was like, when you read the script, I recommend to people all the time, like, read the pilot. If, if, if you're going to be in the industry at all, read, read the pilot episode, Breaking Bad, because that is, in my opinion, one of the best written episodes. Movie, whatever you want to consider it. And because I consider it more of a movie than a show, that, that pilot episode, because there's this beginning, middle and end. And when you read it, it just leaves you with this, like, what moment? And again, we knew it was special, but you, you just don't know. And Breaking Bad was not liked in the beginning.

[Jack]

Like, how long did you think that the show was going to be? Did they fully write out the entirety of the show in the beginning or did they write it as they were filming?

[RJ Mitte]

You know, every season kind of was written as the seasons progressed. We had an amazing writing team, you know, Vince Gilligan, Peter Goal, and so many other amazing, amazing writings. Like, a lot of them still work together, you know, with Better Call Saul and El Camino. But it was kind of one of those things that we, we could kind of see where it was going, but we really didn't, you know, at any moment something could happen to these characters and they were, they felt very real and organic and in the scenes, everything just kind of made sense. But we got the, you know, as the series went on later and later, they had to be careful with the scripts. People were leaking. In the beginning, everyone got a script. Towards the end you got your parts. So a lot of times you didn't really know, you know, Brian and Aaron, they knew because they were in every scene, but we really just didn't know.

[Graham Stephan]

So you wouldn't get the entire script.

[RJ Mitte]

At the last two seasons, we didn't get the entire script.

[Jack]

What would you say was the pivotal moment of the show, where it went from something that wasn't very well liked to something that was like, okay, everyone is obsessing over this.

[RJ Mitte]

I think Netflix, I think Netflix really put Breaking Bad on the map as far as just accessibility to the show.

[Jack]

That's when I found it.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. You know, we were actually one of the most pirated shows in the history of television. Huge in Eastern Europe.

[Graham Stephan]

Wow.

[RJ Mitte]

Huh. Whoa. But it's funny.

[Graham Stephan]

It's funny. You mentioned that. I read something that said that after Breaking Bad, meth quality actually went up.

[RJ Mitte]

I believe that I would definitely, I would. I mean, I, I don't condone that as that drug, but hopefully it's better products for people. No, you know, I think it really spotlighted, you know, this form of drug abuse in communities, you know, you know, in the early 2000s, methods kind of more of like out in the woods, no one's doing meth. It's, it's, it's these faraway places. And in reality, it's in our backyard. And I think it really. Breaking Bad really opened the doors on the awareness of methamphetamine in our communities. And, you know, some people really thought that we were glorifying it in the beginning, that we were always promoting it. And if you really watch the show, it doesn't end well for Walter White. Like, it really destroys his whole entire family. And I think, I think it's something that really was an eye opener for many people.

[Graham Stephan]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack]

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[Graham Stephan]

What was the filming schedule like?

[RJ Mitte]

Dude, 16 hour days. Like. Like we were. We were sometimes shooting six, seven days a week, two man teams. One time our film got run over by an airplane. Yeah. And leaving. Leaving studio because we shot on film. We were one of the. One of. One of the last series and shows, I guess, to shoot on film. 35 millimeter. And so we would film. And that's what really, when it comes to, like, time restrictions and pressure on set, we have finite amount of film. You know, some of these film roles, you're talking like $250,000, $75,000 just for, like, the roles of these films. And one day it was being shipped because we had Albuquerque being, you know, one of the main bases for us, but we also had the editing stud, California. And so we would have to send those to California. And apparently one day some of them got left out and a plane ran over them and we had to reshoot that whole. I don't know how many days it was, but that was a nightmare. And we were running camera teams A and B and trying to make it up to get back on top of the schedule.

[Graham Stephan]

How do you memorize your lines?

[RJ Mitte]

I have a couple of different ways to memorize lines, and I think it's different for everyone. I say lines rhythmically. You know, I kind of. When I talk and when I'm reading my rhyme, reading my lines, I read them in a rhythm. And so it gives you the basis of kind of what they're saying. And then I sleep on it. I read my lines the night before of what I'm doing that next day, and I go to sleep on those lines. And so I. I kind of believe that when you read at the end of the night, whatever you're reading, it soaks in your brain more. You know, you. You sometimes, like, I'll sometimes run my lines in my dreams, and I find it helps it be more organic.

[Jack]

What was the most difficult line for.

[RJ Mitte]

You to present seeing Breaking Bad? None, man, because it was so well written. Like, Breaking Bad was oddly, one of the easiest jobs I've ever had in the sense of just quality. And. And when you said a line, it made sense. Like, I've done some movies and stuff where I'm. I'm reading and I got big monologues and I'm like, man, how am I supposed to say this? And then like, yeah, you just say it. And so I'm like you say it and they can't.

[Jack]

But let's.

[Graham Stephan]

But let's just say you get like two paragraphs.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Do they want it to be said verbatim, like word for word, or do they say, just get this point across and how you do it, we don't care.

[RJ Mitte]

Depends on the director. Depends on the writer, and it depends on the director. Some. Sometimes they want you to say what they wrote. Like every writer does not want you to ad lib. Any writer that's very proud of their work, they're definitely not going to want you to ad lib. But as far as, like, with Breaking Bad and some other projects, if the ad lib makes sense or like, you know, the, the. In the pilot episode, the do I look like a skater? Stuff, some of that was ad libbed and it worked. But. But when it came down to, like, a lot of it, you did what they put on the page. But again, with Breaking Bad, it was so well written. Like the lines, the movement, even the environment, like on the page. So when you read it, you saw it. There was no question about it.

[Jack]

Was there any impromptu lines or impromptu things that just kind of happened that ended up making it into the show that were a fan favorite? I always think about this one clip I see all the time. I think it's Tom Holland and Robert Downey Jr. And they were in the back of a car and they were. They were filming a scene for Avengers or something. And Tom Holland, like. Or Robert Downey Jr. Goes to, like, assist Tom with like opening up the car door or something. And then Tom thinks he's going in for a hug and so he hugs him and it's like super, super awkward. And then they just rolled with it and it was like a fan favorite. And you could see, like the natural.

[RJ Mitte]

Reaction of the cohesiveness. Yeah, no, there was lots of different moments like that. And I think a lot of it was pausing. Like, a lot of it was looks on the show. It was more of like, just like a look that you would give and, you know, nothing's sticking out. But I think one of the things that always sticks out that's a fan favorite is the pizza on the roof. That was a one and done because they tried to recreate it and it didn't happen again.

[Graham Stephan]

Have you seen the videos of the lady coming out of the house yelling at people? What do you think of that?

[RJ Mitte]

I think when you have one of the most famous houses in the world and definitely one of the most infamous houses in the state of New Mexico, it comes with responsibility and it comes with accountability. And I think you kind of have to, you know, have some leeway with it. I knew the lady that owns the house now. I knew her parents really well. And you know, during Breaking Bad in the beginning, you know, they got, as the show ended, they got much older and people were breaking into their house. They were waking up, finding people in their living room. It wasn't like, just like people going, people were trying to get into the house and that's why they raised the fence. Sadly, it just keep, you know, escalating and, and I think she's trying to sell it at the moment.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, she's asking $3.9 million.

[Jack]

See, that just seems like, like she doesn't care that much about the attention because if she really cared, she would sell it at market or even a little bit above market.

[Graham Stephan]

Look, she said that it was her family's house. It's been in the family for a long time. You just can't sell it. But if she were to sell it, she wants.

[Jack]

It seems people are speculating online that she does actually enjoy the attention a little bit. But I don't know how she goes.

[Graham Stephan]

Out and yells at everybody.

[RJ Mitte]

I think she does, I think it does give her purpose a little. You know, again, it's a fine line. Like, like she's nice to me.

[Jack]

Do you talk to her?

[RJ Mitte]

I. We saw her. We saw her. We were just in New Mexico not too long ago and we saw her and so like, because, like.

[Jack]

Did you hit her up?

[RJ Mitte]

No, it was just, you know, it's Albuquerque.

[Graham Stephan]

Did you just show up to the house?

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, no. I, I, back in the day because I was, I was really close to the family because we spent a lot of time there. Yeah. But like people all think that the inside is what this inside of the show looks like and it's not. We, we shot all the interior, most of the interior, like on a soundstage. The only thing about the house is the exterior in the backyard. But like, yeah, I'm not going to touch that with a ten foot pole, man. I, I think like, you know, maybe 2 million a mil and a half.

[Jack]

I think it makes so much money giving tours of the house, someone can pay a lot of money to go up on the roof to try to find a little bit of pizza and sell that.

[Graham Stephan]

Airbnb would be crazy at even like 1500 a night.

[RJ Mitte]

It's not the same.

[Graham Stephan]

It doesn't matter. Just to be able to stay at.

[Jack]

That house, to be able to stay at the house.

[RJ Mitte]

People would, I would pay, yeah, 1500 bucks a night. That would be the smart. I agree, I agree with that. But like, I, I think it would take a lot of infrastructure.

[Graham Stephan]

Would you buy the house?

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

How much would you pay?

[RJ Mitte]

Not four mil, I'll tell you that. I mean, so everything in that house value is around 350. I, I've, I've, you know, I looked at this estimate. Yeah. I've looked at the numbers.

[Jack]

I.

[RJ Mitte]

So my number for the house, the actual number that I've come up with, I think Walter White, the, the white house value, I'm thinking 1.2. Just out of names, out of like the, the environment. But like if the neighborhood's nice, but like it's not a four million dollar nice neighborhood, you know, I mean, you can't have that. You're going to destroy the market in that community.

[Graham Stephan]

But here's the thing. She putting it up at that price gets a lot of publicity. Because I saw that listing went up. It was on the front page of yahoo and cnn and all these places. The breaking bad houses for sale. Asking 4 million bucks. It drives a lot of people to go and just take a look at it again.

[RJ Mitte]

But there's a fence though, man, I like that's my thing is I wish like the city of Albuquerque or like the state would, you know, re. Redo it. You know, she put up the fence. They've done a lot of remodeling. It's not the same house. But I wish whenever, like the state or someone would come in and bring it back to what it originally was because it was a great house. And you know, it really means a lot to a lot of fans. And I think the impact that breaking bad has had on the city in New Mexico, you know, there has been positive aspect, there's been negative aspects, but there's also been many positive aspects.

[Graham Stephan]

I think. Yeah, Bryan Cranston should buy it.

[RJ Mitte]

If anyone could buy it, Brian could probably buy it.

[Graham Stephan]

There's a Simpsons house in Vegas. You know that.

[RJ Mitte]

Really?

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Jack]

What do you mean, Simpsons house?

[Graham Stephan]

It's the house that was. It's identical to the Simpsons. It was either the Simpsons was based on this house or this house was created to be identical to the Simpsons house. And you could drive by.

[Jack]

I had no idea.

[RJ Mitte]

Yes.

[Jack]

That's really cool.

[Graham Stephan]

Yes. And it looks almost identical to the real Simpsons house.

[RJ Mitte]

See, the question is how many people try to break into it though.

[Graham Stephan]

Nobody breaks into it as far as I'm aware. But it does become a bit of a tourist Attraction where you could go and look at the Simpsons house in Las Vegas.

[RJ Mitte]

That's pretty sick. I think I've seen it on Instagram. There's a lot of, you know, I think what they've done, like, you know, the Sopranos helm. Yeah. And, you know, Beverly Hills, like, the houses in, like, Fresh Prince of Bel Air and stuff like that. I find these are, like, staples of television history. And I think when a house gets to that point, there should be some form of historical preservation.

[Graham Stephan]

You know what? You're right. Because the Home Alone house, they were asking 5.9 million, and I actually thought objectively it was a good deal. The Brady Bunch house, I remember when that got listed and they got like, 100 offers on this house, and it sold way over, asking, I believe, to hgtv because they were going to do something, like, with it. But their other bidder was either from, like, NSYNC or Backstreet Boys. Like, it was some musical artist who is, like, bidding against HGTV to buy the Brady Bunch house. But it's a one of a kind house.

[RJ Mitte]

See, that's the thing. It's. You're, You're. You're not necessarily buying the property. You're buying the history. Like, you know, I do a lot of work with historical preservation and restoring historical stuff in Texas. And, you know, it's, It's. It's one of those things that, that, you know, a hundred years, fifty years will go. Being generous with. 150 years will go by and. And these, like, people will still go visit these iconic locations, and it carries over. And so I think that's what you're. That's what the number is, is the history.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm telling you, we could make a fortune if we go 5050 on this house. Do Airbnb on it, but you promote the house. See, See, that would do so well.

[Jack]

Like, 80, 20.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. Eight. 80, 20.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh, there's got to be some. Some component of. Of you marketing the house. But I honestly think as an Airbnb, it will do insane numbers. Someone has to plug the cash flow on this because at a certain price, you could overpay for it and make your money back in the first year.

[Jack]

Graham, you're giving away some sauce, right? I mean, who's gonna do this?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, no one's gonna do it.

[Graham Stephan]

That's what I.

[Jack]

We did it.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, it would do so well. I'll keep an eye on it. I think I. It would do well. I think you would have to. I think it would be more Than a year to get your capital especially.

[Graham Stephan]

No, but just the amount you overpay. I'm saying if it's like worth 1.2 and you pay like, you know, 1.5, let's just say you make your money back, you whittle it down.

[RJ Mitte]

I think you're probably going to make it back in like five years. Like you can't over, you can't go night.

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[Jack]

That's still like going to take a long time to make it. I guess if you put like 20 down, like what kind of bank is going to lend against like $4 million house?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, hey, you know, you, stranger things have happened.

[Jack]

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[Jack]

What did they pay you just for that first episode?

[RJ Mitte]

Minimum. Because it was my very first speaking job ever. Like, ever. So. So I got the, the regular SAG minimum for it.

[Graham Stephan]

I heard. I or I was researching online.

[RJ Mitte]

I did not have a lot of money. Like, like Breaking Bad was not like, very lucrative as far as, like across the board. Every season we were told that we were canceled. We just did not have the viewership until streaming. You know, that was, again, that was our big moment was when streaming came in and people binge viewed Breaking Bad. But up until that point, it was a struggle every year. And Vince and the writing team, they fought. And a gentleman who worked at AMC at the time named Charlie Collier, and he really fought to keep Breaking Bad on amc like it was a battle.

[Graham Stephan]

So I read online it was $250 for the pilot.

[RJ Mitte]

For who? For you, 250.

[Graham Stephan]

Was it just for the pilot? Yeah. I read something online and again, this is online. It's either like a Wikipedia or like.

[RJ Mitte]

The basic SAG SAG recurring scale. I don't, trust me, it wasn't much.

[Graham Stephan]

It's crazy to me. Do you get residuals, though, on streaming? Because I thought that was the big.

[RJ Mitte]

No, it doesn't anymore. Like, that's a, that's been a big issue over the past decade in our industry, especially with older actors. You know, the streaming services, you don't really get your residuals and that and your residuals once you get older, your residuals are pretty much what keeps your insurance alive, like, once you can't work anymore. And so, so, like it's, it's a very niche industry. You know, I've seen like, you know, how, how these types of interviews work and how the new media structure works. As far as, like, television and film, you know, streaming is good for the networks themselves, but as far for the artists, you're kind of getting the minimum. You get more reach. You can make a name for yourself. But it's not like it used to be.

[Graham Stephan]

So when they took it from TV to Netflix, you didn't see a huge skyrocket in income, despite the show being viewed more times than ever.

[RJ Mitte]

No. You get one check, and you're, like, catching nine years. And, like, that check is like. I mean, I'm not saying that they weren't paying people on Breaking Bad, but, like, I was. I was the youngest kid on the show, you know? I mean, it was my very first role.

[Jack]

So what could happen if you're like, six seasons in or five seasons into Breaking Bad and you're just like, I'm done. What? Like, are you contractually obligated to keep going for as long as they want you to go? Or, like, what happens if you just want to step back?

[RJ Mitte]

Well, with a show like Breaking Bad, you usually die. They get.

[Graham Stephan]

They write it, but then sometimes.

[Jack]

Sometimes they revisit it. Like in Dexter, you know how his dad always comes back and it's like, see?

[RJ Mitte]

But. But if you look at, like, some of those connections and relationships with, like. With, like. Like. Like the actual main character, like, number one on the call sheet, right? Like, those. Those people are really ingrained deep into, like, the producing, writing opinions. Like, they're not just acting. They're. They're across the board on decision making for the show. And so, like, they will be like, I like this guy. I don't care what y' all say. We're bringing him back. And again, that can create conflict, but that's interesting.

[Jack]

So they just, like, if you want to step back, they just basically make it so you've died.

[RJ Mitte]

Like, if. If you wanted. If you wanted out in, like, like, an asshole kind of way. Yeah. Like, shows like Breaking Bad shows like Dexter, like, oh, dude, you. Accidents happen all the time. Like, especially for these characters.

[Graham Stephan]

But then you also probably ruin your reputation in that circle. Like, this guy just walked out on us. Let's not work on.

[RJ Mitte]

Why would you work with someone that's kind of like, like, you know. So here's. It's funny that you bring that up. So I was in a roller coaster accident while I was filming Breaking Bad. I had, like, a real barge chard in my arm. What ripped out all my, like, elbow stuff.

[Graham Stephan]

How.

[RJ Mitte]

I think I was, like, 15.

[Graham Stephan]

Wait, how does this happen?

[RJ Mitte]

So, you know, don't Go the first week to a brand new roller coaster.

[Jack]

You that got hit. Was someone else around you that.

[RJ Mitte]

I was like the ninth person that got injured that day.

[Graham Stephan]

Did they have insurance? That's the first thing.

[RJ Mitte]

So I messed up was I didn't want to wait for the ambulance. It was like a 45 minute wait. And so I was like, I'm going to my hospital right now because, like, this kid's like, I'm like, bleeding out of my elbow. Well, here the ride starts. It hits me in the arm, and then the ride takes off. So the pressure builds and builds and builds in my elbow. And as we're going through this, I'm like. In my head, I'm like, man, this is gonna hurt tomorrow. Like, I. Because of the adrenaline and the ride stops and I just hear screaming and I'm like, oh, my God, what happened behind me? And we go to get off and everyone behind me is wiping, like, blood off of them. And I'm like, what happened? And this, this worker, like, that was working the.

[Jack]

The.

[RJ Mitte]

The. The ride is like, you're bleeding. And I'm like, huh? And I looked down and I'm just like, wait, so what.

[Jack]

What exactly did you hit your arm on?

[RJ Mitte]

So apparently that's. That's a very good question that we never fully found the answer to after a lawsuit. But, but going to. My point of why I bring this up is they told me because I went through like, three surgeries and, like, they gave me a bunch of pills, and I'm like, I'm not taking these pills. And after three surgeries after that, they're like, look like you're injured, but if you are that injured, you should quit your job. And my jaw was breaking bad. And so, like, I made the decision. I was like, I'm done with you guys. Whatever I can. I've done the surgeries, I've done the things. I've done the nerve testing, like, I'm not quitting my job. And. And. And just like, buried it, like, you know, like, just did the physical therapy.

[Graham Stephan]

You didn't get, like, a huge payout from this or maybe there was some. Something.

[RJ Mitte]

I got my. I got my medical bills covered, which was like, a lot still.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh, I know, my God.

[RJ Mitte]

But that was the point. If I wanted to pay out, I had to quit.

[Jack]

So your elbow was like, kind of like, oh, dude.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, you can't see it on camera, but you see there's like a little hole, right?

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

It, like shot in and like, rotated. See the right. It didn't hurt. It didn't hurt at all. But what hurt the most when I got to the hospital, because they're like, hey, so we can't X ray it because it's a puncture wound we have to wear. Got to make sure there's no metal in it. And that, in my opinion, was probably. I'd probably say in the top five most painful things I've experienced in my life. And this dude sat on top of me because of the angle I had to lay like this. And this big nurse was with these big old long pliers just digging in my arm, and I had, like, headphones. I'm just, like, listening to something and like, I'm just like. And good times. But. But the reason why. But, like, the reason why I bring that is they. They wanted me to quit the show. You know, and when you have a show and you have something that you feel very passionate about, there's no reason to walk away from it. You know, there's like, there's, there's. There's every reason to, no matter what, push forward and make it happen regardless. Jeez.

[Jack]

So we're mostly like a financial podcast. It's sort of where we're coming from. And you've claimed before that Breaking Bad did not make you a millionaire?

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, not even.

[Jack]

Not even close.

[RJ Mitte]

I. I've. I've paid more in taxes than I got from Breaking Bad.

[Graham Stephan]

How is. How does that. How is that possible?

[RJ Mitte]

It's just the name of the game with it. Like, you know, young kid like, you just, you. Like, I didn't really see a lot of, like. Like, I, you know, I had a team, a big team at one point, and I was traveling the world doing stuff, and like, so mostly my team, like, I'm like, I was paying to keep my career going.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh, I see.

[RJ Mitte]

Like, I was paying to keep. Keep pushing forward and to keep doing that. And everything went back into the business. So, like, as far as, like, excess.

[Graham Stephan]

Did you have the Coogan account as a kid? So it was that. That was going in there?

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, but not even close to triple digits.

[Graham Stephan]

See, what's crazy is that Google says her net worth is $5 million. Where do they get that number from?

[RJ Mitte]

I honestly don't know. I think. I think it's so What I've earned in my entire life. One thing that did put a damper on me, I did have a bad business manager. I did. I got. I got royally, like, hammered. So what happened in my last four years of my highest earning series?

[Graham Stephan]

What was the justification? Behind the business manager making certain decisions.

[RJ Mitte]

I wanted to protect my funds. So I got a, you know, I was 18, 19, like, 17. 18. You hear all the bad stories, right? You're like, hey, I, I wanted to, like, I was like, okay, I want to get a business accountant. Like, up until that point, I always managed it. My family, we always, you know, filled the sheets out, did the things, always had it. And then I was like, you know, I really, everyone's kind of pushing me to make sure that I have a proper accountant. Dude, I got eaten.

[Jack]

So did he just invest your money poorly or did he siphon funds from you? Like, what was the main and what year was that?

[RJ Mitte]

So I was, I was around 17. So I'd probably say this was around, like, 2011.

[Graham Stephan]

Rough time in the market.

[RJ Mitte]

Like, like 2011, 2012, 2013. And, and so, like, I, I can't go into details because this person I don't know is still out there, but I know she got 14 other actors. I was like, one of this big group that she was targeting, like, primarily people with disabilities, elderly, like, older actors in the industry, and, and worked at the sheriff's department, where she had her office at, so she could, you would have to file at that.

[Graham Stephan]

Sure. And so how does she lose the money? Like, is it, is it poor investments? Is it high expenses? You just didn't get it?

[RJ Mitte]

No, she didn't lose it.

[Jack]

She was just siphoning funds.

[RJ Mitte]

She was siphoning funds. Like, literally, I would write a check. I would write a check to go pay my taxes, and instead of her using it to pay my taxes, she would send me a fake filing of taxes and take that money. And so at the end of the day, though, it's my negligence. So regardless with that, the IRS doesn't really care about you. They only care that you make sure that you are paying it. And anyone else that handles that is your fault because you did not do your due diligence.

[Jack]

Is she still working today or is she, like, in jail?

[RJ Mitte]

She's around.

[Graham Stephan]

That's what happened to the, to the guy. I'm blank.

[RJ Mitte]

It's very common. This is a very, it only took me 10 years to pay it off.

[Jack]

10 years to pay off your taxes?

[RJ Mitte]

It was a rough thing, but, like, you know, it was a lesson learned. And it's like, you know, I, I, I've always been very savvy in my finances. You know, I, I, I was treasurer for my organization for, for eight years, and we, we've always done well, and I've always been Very good about it. And, you know, I'm. I look at it as a blessing and a curse, but it gave me knowledge that, like, no one had.

[Graham Stephan]

Steve Harvey had the same thing happen to him. Yeah, same thing. He was paying his accountant. The accountant will cash the check, and then he would just get a fake receipt.

[RJ Mitte]

A fake receipt? Yeah, they just make a mock of it. It all looks legit. And they're like, here you go. And then like three or four or five years later, with compound interest at like 13, 14% or 17% interest on that total number for each year you get this nice big check coming for you.

[Graham Stephan]

How did you get a letter from the irs?

[RJ Mitte]

I didn't get one until it was, like, too late, like. Yeah.

[Jack]

And did people show up at your house?

[RJ Mitte]

No, I had. I, you know, I have attorneys and stuff that I've, like, because I work, you know, I've. I'm on top of stuff. I wasn't on top of that. And so. So, like, it was just one of those days. You get a letter and it's like your heart drops.

[Graham Stephan]

Who do you call after you get that letter?

[RJ Mitte]

Call your cpa. You call and what is license? You don't. Not her. You call another attorney. You call a forensic accountant, and then you figure out, okay, how. What happened?

[Graham Stephan]

What did she say?

[RJ Mitte]

Good luck.

[Jack]

Would she even talk to you?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, it was comp. It was really, really complicated. Like, so I was able. I was young enough to really, like, be able to, like, you know, I just. I cut her off. I changed. I canceled the accounts. We shut down the system. We shut down the bleeding. And luckily I, like, I immediately was like, hey, guys, like, like, we're good. Let me go. I'm just gonna go work for the next. Whatever, however long to pay this off. And. And so other though there were 13 others, I actually want to make a show about it. Yeah, I've actually been writing a show on this called. I'm not even going to mention it yet.

[Graham Stephan]

How do you. How do you not go after her criminally?

[RJ Mitte]

Well, when the same person that you're trying to go after criminally is the same person, you have to report the criminal filing to.

[Graham Stephan]

Couldn't. Couldn't you report it anywhere else?

[RJ Mitte]

Has to stay California. You have to do it in the area that she's licensed in.

[Graham Stephan]

Couldn't you just have a lawyer do it on your behalf? And it's. It's going to be filed. Yeah, I'd be going after tens of.

[RJ Mitte]

Thousands of dollars, which you don't have at that point. Point.

[Graham Stephan]

Any lawyer, any lawyer would take that.

[RJ Mitte]

On still your negligence.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, you still owe it. But, but my point being is that if she, I've just as an example, got 100 grand, I guarantee she has 100 grand of assets that you could see.

[Jack]

I think it's criminal. It's not like you would do both.

[Graham Stephan]

You'd be going after her personally.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, but it's also wired. It's not in her name. It's all like, it's. It's very complicated. Like, I can't. She's probably hiding because this is still an ongoing investigation. Like I would say we've tracked it to offshore account shell companies. Like, no, this is a. We're not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. We're talking tens of millions of dollars.

[Graham Stephan]

And once it's out of the country, there's really not much you can do.

[RJ Mitte]

You're targeting older actors and you're targeting people that like, are structured pay and once they lose that foundation underneath them, they kind of just can't fight anymore.

[Jack]

It's.

[RJ Mitte]

It's super messed up and did. Happens to millions of people.

[Jack]

Did you talk to all of the other, like, victims of this?

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, yeah, no, no. We're all, we're all in connection. We're all still in contact. There's still a whole thing going on.

[Graham Stephan]

But. But they're pursuing it.

[RJ Mitte]

No, there's nothing to pursue, dude. There's no, there's no.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, I know. Once, once the money goes beyond a certain point, you can't get it.

[RJ Mitte]

There's nothing there.

[Graham Stephan]

But, but you could at least put this person behind bars. We know some great lawyers.

[RJ Mitte]

I'm telling you, it's way more complicated than that though. You think, yes, you can, but you're talking like years of litigation, years of appeals, years of forensic accountants.

[Graham Stephan]

Okay, so the cost of that's probably gonna be in the millions. And then it's like, can you recover? Probably not. What do you do? Put her in jail.

[RJ Mitte]

And then. Yeah, it's conflict again, though. This is very, very common, especially the young actors. Like, like mind blowing. And it happens every day. It's probably happening right now somewhere.

[Graham Stephan]

So what's your advice to newer actors today when it comes to their finances?

[RJ Mitte]

You know, record it, mark down every dollar, you know, keep track of it, you know, stay on top of it, you know, know where you're spending your money, how you're spending your money. I, I think technology today is getting stronger and stronger and where you can't hide money. Like he used to, like, used to is like, oh, yeah, we have this stack of paper. Yeah, just get put in a shelf. No one's gonna find it. Now today it's more digital ties. I mean, again, you know, I. I do my best. I'm. I'm. I'm a fairly a frugal person, but, like, it's. It's really about just knowing where your money. Where your money's coming in and where your money's going out. And once you have those two basic things down, there's more learning. But. But if you know, you know where every dollar is going, like, I can tell you where every dollar that I have goes, like, like down. Down to. To how. How. Where it came in. To where it's going.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Jack]

So where are you making most of your money today and how are you investing?

[RJ Mitte]

I make most of my money through speaking. Speaking engagements. I shoot about a movie a year. I do a lot of, you know, I raise more funds, though, for nonprofits than I make, like, by a lot, which is how it should be. But most of my. Most of my income comes from movies. I try to shoot a movie a year. They're nothing crazy for the most part, low budget, but, you know, that's kind of. It's about grinding, you know, and staying in it and staying active and constantly putting yourself out there for different projects, like here today, you know, like, you know, people are going to see this and they're gonna be inspired and who knows, you know, since we met with Ian and now this, and we've. We've kind of kept this waterfall effect going through this trip and just enjoying.

[Graham Stephan]

It, you know, it is crazy how we got here. So for those that don't know, I saw Beast Games on Amazon, and it was Macy's idea to send Jeff, the winner, a DM on Instagram. I just sent him a dm and he was here a few days later to talk about it. And then we became really great friends with him. And then through them, we met Madge to. Okay. And he was also a winner on Mr. Beast. We became friends, and then through that, Ian Bick.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

And then through Ian, us.

[Jack]

And then on top of that, after this, we're gonna go try the best steaks in the world with Joshua Weissman, who's here in Vegas. And he invited us to go eat some steaks with him. We're like, oh, well, we're filming a podcast. You know, can we bring. Can we bring rj? And he's like, absolutely. Like, that sounds amazing. So now, like, it's weird, like, the Cobweb of.

[Graham Stephan]

You never know what's gonna happen.

[RJ Mitte]

It's a very small world. And I. I find. Treat everyone with. With grace and kindness and care. Like, you really don't know how far it goes, and. And the impacts I can have. And it's. It's definitely been a fun, fun 24 hours.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. So when you got your first big paycheck, though, for Breaking Bad.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What did you spend it on?

[RJ Mitte]

I would probably say it was in the second season when I. When I got a nice. When I got my first nice check, like. And I. I bought me a pair of Louis Vuitton shoes.

[Graham Stephan]

No.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, I still have them today. I wear them. I.

[Jack]

You still wear them?

[RJ Mitte]

I still. Yeah, they still. They look brand new. Why?

[Jack]

How do they look brand new?

[RJ Mitte]

I just took care of them. You don't take care of your shoes?

[Jack]

I guess not. No, not like that. Yeah. Like that.

[RJ Mitte]

No, that was one of my first. Like, I. I honestly don't collect a lot of things. Like, I pretty much have everything that I've ever significantly been given or got myself since I was, like, nine, and I've carried this stuff around.

[Jack]

Do you have, like, a ton of things then?

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. What do you.

[Graham Stephan]

What do you have?

[RJ Mitte]

I got lots of things. No, so, like, I mean, as far as, like, what, like, Breaking Bad stuff, like, I got a bunch of meth from the show. Okay. Like, but, like, from season one.

[Jack]

Okay. So it's, like, matured as time has gone on. It's like a fine wine.

[RJ Mitte]

I don't know about that. Still. Rock candy. I have, like, my crutches. You know, I have. I have those shoes I bought. I have, like, you know, memorabilia.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

I always. I. When I'm given, like, art and stuff, I can't throw it away. I went to try to clear out some stuff, and I felt so guilty when I tried to throw this one piece. I'm like, I can't. I put it back in the box. I'm like, you know, I always want to have that. If one day I run into them and they're like, hey, remember that thing I gave you? I can say without. Without, like, question. Yes, I do still have it. It's. It's in my. It's. It's in my storage unit.

[Jack]

That's dangerous. Because now I feel like most people, when they see it, they're like, okay, if I ever see him, I got to give them something because they'll hold onto it forever. You're just gonna have people, like, creating lines, giving you. Yeah. New Thing.

[RJ Mitte]

It's, it's quite, it's quite the way. But, but I'm a collector. Like, I have all my original Pokemon cards since I was a child. Like, like, like every pack that I opened when I was, like, 9 years old, and they're all still in mint condition.

[Graham Stephan]

What sort of Breaking Bad memorabilia did you keep?

[RJ Mitte]

I have my crutches.

[Jack]

That's cool.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. And they're. They're pretty sick. I, you know, I have, I have, like, a break. I have a Heisenberg hat. Got some pairs of underwear. I have some of my clothes. You know, we, you know, I, I took. Well, really, the only thing I truly wanted after the show was my crutches. That was like my big, My big one grab was like, at the end of the series. These are mine.

[Jack]

So how does anyone fight you on that? They're like, well, I kind of want it. Like, did you. How do you, how do you sneak things away off of set?

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. And do they allow you to take these, or do people just kind of, like, take.

[RJ Mitte]

You know that, you know that saying, it's better ask for forgiveness, permission? So, So I kind of asked the right people, was like, hey, you think this is going to cause a problem? And they're like, do it. And I was like, okay. And. And then a few years later, the Smithsonian wanted him. And I was like, no, I'm kidding. Them.

[Jack]

When you just, like, you just store them?

[RJ Mitte]

I have them. Yeah.

[Jack]

Do you ever use them?

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, they're. They're memorabilia. I.

[Graham Stephan]

Why wouldn't you give it to the Smithsonian, though, for display?

[RJ Mitte]

They're mine.

[Graham Stephan]

Couldn't you give it on a loan?

[RJ Mitte]

No, they don't do consignment.

[Jack]

Oh, really?

[RJ Mitte]

At all?

[Jack]

They have to, but they're missing out. I mean, these are like.

[RJ Mitte]

Well, they have another pair, but they're not the originals. You know, I, I think about this. I use these crutches for seven years straight. Like, that. I was on those crutches for seven years. And like, they, they, they just. I, I had a hard time. Like, like when they were like, I, I thought about giving them, you know, I thought about, like. Yeah. And then I was like, I was like, man, I, I, I rather have them with me. I know they're.

[Jack]

It makes sense. You. It's not like something that was kind of fly by night. Like, this was something that you held onto for a long, long time.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

What about Heisenberg's hat?

[RJ Mitte]

So I don't have an original. I don't have an original Heisenberg hat. Brian has his hat, but I have the same guy who made the. I forget the style of cap. Not bowler cap, but. But that. That. That type of hat. The hat maker who made all of them, we have, like, a box. It's like. Has a photo of Brian as Heisenberg with the glasses, and it's like a yellow top and has this gorgeous hat in it.

[Jack]

That has to be crazy valuable, like the authentic crutches. Like, a hat like that.

[Graham Stephan]

What do you think it's worth? Have you been offered money for it before?

[RJ Mitte]

I did get offered some money for it.

[Jack]

The crutch has got to be.

[RJ Mitte]

They have to be over 100. Yeah, it was over a hundred.

[Graham Stephan]

A hundred thousand dollars?

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, they have to be. No, I got. I got offered. I don't exactly remember the amount, but I do remember it was very significant.

[Graham Stephan]

Is there a price where you would say, all right, a million dollars for the crutches. Two million?

[RJ Mitte]

No.

[Graham Stephan]

Wow. I think movie memorabilia is so cool to buy and collect. I remember the original Beetlejuice book went up for auction, and it sold it some crazy price.

[RJ Mitte]

The guide.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. But it sold some crazy price. But I think stuff like that is so cool to collect. It's one of a kind. It's so memorable. We were watching Gremlins the other night. I was thinking, how cool would it be to get an original little Gremlin, Like a.

[RJ Mitte]

Like a original gizmo.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. My dream would be able to get something from the Nightmare Before Christmas, like one of the actual little stock motion guys. I would do anything to get one of those little things. You're about like this tall wall. I would do anything for. I'm sure they would sell for a stupid price, but I can't see how that wouldn't be worth a ton of money in the future. I love that.

[RJ Mitte]

I. I mean, I. I think again, though, it's all. It's all about perspective. But I, you know, why don't you just, like, hit up Tim Burton? Be like, hey, you mind making me a little jack skeleton?

[Graham Stephan]

So what's funny is I met Danny Elfman, dude. At his warehouse, and he had the everywhere. And I couldn't help but just think, oh, my God. Like, all the little ones just around. All the memorabilia from all of his films were just. With Tim Burton were there. And just to be able to look and be like, that was it.

[RJ Mitte]

How is that insane? Like, I, you know, I'm one of those people. I tell my family, it's gonna be my will. No one. It's gonna Be like, no one's allowed to sell my stuff even after I'm dead. I'm already putting it in there. I'm like, no one's allowed to. Like I'm gonna like, like it's gonna be like a little museum. It's like, it's, it's all yours. I'm not here. It's all yours.

[Graham Stephan]

But, but see, if you put them in the Breaking Bad house that you purchase behind some glass could just be an artifact that people walk in that.

[Jack]

You could get such a good ROI.

[Graham Stephan]

On that I really do.

[RJ Mitte]

But like the thing is though is like what would be like how long before return? What's your initial investment like? Because you know, we're talk, we're. She still wants $4 million and that's not including the, the real estate fee.

[Jack]

And I bet you could, I bet you could negotiate the price down. She would sell to you cheaper than she would sell 100 to other people.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean possibly maybe like a hundred year lease purchase where it's like, okay, hey look, we're going to do this. I want to pay you $4 million in my lifetime.

[Jack]

So.

[Graham Stephan]

Speaking of money though, you've said before that you respect money, but you don't like what it does to people. I'm curious.

[RJ Mitte]

How have you seen money, how have.

[Graham Stephan]

You seen money corrupt people in Hollywood?

[RJ Mitte]

Hollywood? You mean the world? Like literally, like, you know, money is a tool. Like I look at money as, you know, it's a tool, it's sadly a necessity in life. We need money to survive. It doesn't matter who you are unless you are rural, local, native, populate. Like, you know, there's, there's people that have lived a certain way for hundreds of years. You know, but in a modern day society, you know, capital, money, you can't do anything without it. Pretty much you can't. You, you have to have these structures and sadly people like as you offer, like what's my number? Right? You're like a mill, two miles. People do have numbers, sadly. And what someone is willing to do for the right number never ceases to amaze me. And people will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is. And you know, growing up, I've always worked, I've never not had a job in my life. Even as like a five year old kid, I would be like chores around the house, let me go help pick fruit. Let me go do this, let me go. Whatever, whatever it may have been, I always, I always liked working. And, and so for me it's not about necessarily. Like, I need money to survive, but I enjoy the working. I enjoy the camaraderie. I enjoy what. What I'm doing out there. And money just helps it get that way. But I don't really set a number for myself. It's. Does it have. Does it make sense? Are we helping people? Are we changing lives? Are we having an impact? And then it also goes the opposite way, you know, with. With. What's your number? What. What will you be willing to do?

[Graham Stephan]

We do this.

[Jack]

Oh, we do this all the time.

[Graham Stephan]

It gets.

[Jack]

It gets horrible.

[Graham Stephan]

Dude. This is our favorite. The most depraved things in the car of like, yo, what. What would you do that for? Like, 50 grand, 100 grand? And we always get to a number. We're like, all right, I gotta say.

[Jack]

Graham's never for some pretty like. Like, sus. Things are pretty low. I'm just willing to put that out there, guys.

[Graham Stephan]

You know what's funny?

[Jack]

They're surprisingly low.

[Graham Stephan]

Jack paid me once. I thought it was the easiest money ever. We have it on video licking a moldy bagel.

[Jack]

And it was right on the mold. Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

And it was blue mold. And I said, 15 bucks. And Jack says, all right, you have to leave it on there for how many seconds?

[Jack]

I said, you had to leave it there?

[Graham Stephan]

Like five seconds. Like, $15 for five seconds is a great ROI and I. It. I just do it and I feel some like, burning sensation.

[Jack]

Like, you know, what's funny is what is 15 doing for you?

[RJ Mitte]

You can't count on much these days. No way.

[Jack]

Jim.

[Graham Stephan]

This is incredible.

[RJ Mitte]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[RJ Mitte]

On CBS and Paramount.

[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack]

Right now, I don't regret doing it.

[RJ Mitte]

I don't think it's crazy, dude, because you.

[Jack]

That.

[Graham Stephan]

That could be why you are the.

[RJ Mitte]

Way that you are.

[Jack]

Like that mold. I don't know, man. That. That could have some long term ramifications.

[Graham Stephan]

I just.

[RJ Mitte]

I licked it ceiling.

[Graham Stephan]

You know, I lifted and then I just washed my mouth afterwards.

[Jack]

It was. I'm just saying $15 to Graham. Now it's like, like refreshes Schwab account. And instantly in like, literally the millisecond. In the millisecond, he refreshes it. It could vary by probably a thousand dollars. It's not going to make any.

[Graham Stephan]

It was so easy to do not.

[RJ Mitte]

See, that's where, that's where people mix up. It's not about the money or how much the money. It's. It's just about, it's the action of it. It's the bet of it.

[Graham Stephan]

No, it's just the ratio. The ratio is literally like $.

[Jack]

If I can make $15 in five seconds, then my, my minute wages this, my hour wages this. And that's higher than I make when I'm editing.

[Graham Stephan]

Exactly.

[Jack]

And it's like dude, exactly per hour.

[Graham Stephan]

That's a really high amount.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean that is, that is if you, if you take that to minutes to two hours, to two months.

[Jack]

If you could make a career and be a billionaire by just licking moldy bagels with that.

[Graham Stephan]

If I could do that for eight hours a day straight. Fifteen. Sure.

[RJ Mitte]

Your health insurance and life insurance policies in check for that though. Going back to that point about my comment, people, desperate people, you know, money, money doesn't like people with money or people that have power with money don't freely give anything. It all comes at a cost. And when you have someone that desperately needs it, that's willing to do anything, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power. And, and you know what, whether that person is willing to give up who they are willing to, to be to get that power, you know, and we see it in social media, you know, you, you with, with videos and YouTube and stuff. People that like hurt themselves sometimes to get the sensationalism is, is in my opinion like it's a dangerous game.

[Jack]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Graham Stephan]

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[Jack]

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[RJ Mitte]

People that like hurt themselves sometimes to get the sensationalism is, is in my opinion, like it's a dangerous game.

[Jack]

I agree with that. I think that acquiring money for the sake of just simply having money is where it starts to get dicey. If you think that money in and of itself is of value, instead of seeing money as a tool or a vessel to get something else to help other people, to be able to provide for your family, to be able to go on a trip. Maybe it's been years since you've been on a trip and you're like, well, if I get this am of money, I can now do that instead of just, like, getting money for the sake of it. I saw this one video that went super viral. It's unfortunately hilarious, but it's also bad. This guy pays another guy, like, 100 bucks to drink a little bit of IAC.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh, I saw.

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, that.

[Jack]

That's.

[Graham Stephan]

Dude, that's like 20 years ago.

[Jack]

Yeah, but that. That video, like, too like it. It grosses you out. And it also is kind of like.

[RJ Mitte]

It's kind of. Think of the Family Guy episode. What's that one with the ever cat? I don't remember that. Where they all drink the ipecac and they're throwing up all over the house. Oh, man, I gotta check. That's what initially that video I feel comes from. But yeah, no, it. It. When you start putting yourself in harm to make a quick buck, like the.

[Graham Stephan]

Mold, I don't think that's hurtful, though.

[Jack]

See, if I.

[Graham Stephan]

If I genuinely thought I'd be, like, sick or out the day, I wouldn't do it.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, no, but, but, but, like, take that scenario times 50 or times 100 of whatever that is. People do do stuff like that, though.

[Jack]

Like, we asked Togi recently. It was like a viral clip. He's a gambling fitness influencer sort of guy. We asked him if he'd remove a pinky finger for $10 million, and he said he'd. He'd, like, remove his foot if he could for $10 million. And this guy makes a lot of money.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, you could buy a lot of feet for 10 million.

[Jack]

That's a good point. I didn't think about that.

[Graham Stephan]

It reminded me, though. I did get paid snail.

[RJ Mitte]

Okay.

[Graham Stephan]

In Japan. I didn't want to eat the snail.

[Jack]

Was it an edible snail or was it.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, it was cooked in garlic.

[Jack]

That's. That's okay.

[Graham Stephan]

But I didn't want to eat it. And then a buddy was like, I'll pay you 10 bucks to eat it. And I said, sure.

[RJ Mitte]

See, girl? My dad would do this thing to me all the time. Like, it was. He was always like. He'd be like, here, eat this, Eat this fat. I'm like, for a sake, I'll give you 100 bucks.

[Graham Stephan]

We do that with wasabi all the time. Eat the whole thing of wasabi. 20 bucks.

[RJ Mitte]

20 bucks. Bucks. But, you know, I think there's a game, a friendly game of it, but then there's the, the darker version of that. And that's, and that's where the, the power is. And it's like, what would you. Because, you know, it's. We're talking like 20 bucks. 100, like 100 bucks. But there are people that are doing this with hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Jack]

Squid games. Like Hunger Games, sort of.

[Graham Stephan]

But how is that, that, that much different from working a job? Like a high paid, high stress job that you really dislike, but it pays you 200 grand a year?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, there's a lot of people that live in lives that hate their jobs, but they stay because they, it's, it's kind of circle. You know, I, I've definitely done jobs that I did not want to do, but I did it because it was, it was, I was free and it was paying. Yeah. Like, it, like, well then it's a win win. It's a win win.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

But I find you cannot. Once you start questioning your morals. Like, like I believe everyone has a moral compass and sometimes it doesn't always point the way it should. But I believe once you start sacrificing who you are and like what. When you start sacrificing your dreams to chase something else, like chasing someone else's dream, chasing someone else's money. When you start losing what made you. You and what, what made you have passion or art? Because people get in the industry and they struggle. The acting industry is not like a very like, welcoming and warm industry. Everyone's. We're all competing for the similar job. We're all, there's one role that we're all trying to get right.

[Jack]

It's a zero sum game.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. And, and so like, everyone's fighting for that one big break. And, and it's then it's like, okay, you had the big break. Where's the next big break? Big break. And people were like, okay, well, I'll be willing to do this if I can get into this movie or I can get on this show where. And it's not just money.

[Graham Stephan]

Are we talking like predatory behavior of like that, that sort of stuff?

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, like, I mean, but that all is all money related. It's all based in money. It's all based in capital. And what are you willing to do to be on this show. What are you willing to do to get what you want? And I find you always have to stay true to yourself. And I know that's some lame thing that people say, but it's the reality of it. Because once you start losing who you are as a person, what makes you you, you've lost the game.

[Jack]

Were you ever presented with any moral dilemmas like that where you had to like think inwardsly? Okay, well what am, what is the ethical thing to do here?

[RJ Mitte]

I, I, I had a moment where I had some people approach me and I, they're like, come with us, we're going to make you a star. And I said no. And that was the last time I modeled.

[Jack]

So what would, what did they want?

[RJ Mitte]

I'm not going into detail, but I, I, I stopped it before like you.

[Graham Stephan]

Could sense it was going on.

[RJ Mitte]

I knew, I knew they wanted something that I was not willing to pay. You know, it's, there's something in life that we, we have and, and how far are you willing to go? You know, Breaking Bad is a great example of how far are you willing to go. Go to get what you want is either for your family, for, for power, for whatever it is, how far are you willing to go? And, and for me, I've always kind of had like, like I'm not going to step past it.

[Graham Stephan]

How common do you think that is? And do you think it's more common with, with men or women or do you think it's equal?

[RJ Mitte]

You know, I think it's a fine line. I don't think it's because like it's, it's not, it's not a, a, it's not a sex based thing in my opinion. It's a, it's a, it's a power again, it's, it's power, it's money, it's fame, it's, it's all these things. That's the sex, drugs and rock and roll of, of of what are you willing to do to be at top? What are you willing to do to be a star? And there are certain people that like, you see it happen where it's like they're a hit and everyone comes from you and it's sharks, you know, blend the water. The sharks come, they eat, everyone gets fed and then hopefully you stay the biggest shark until another day a bigger shark comes and eats you.

[Graham Stephan]

Sounds really stressful.

[RJ Mitte]

I love what I do. Yeah, I love, I get to do amazing things around the world. You know, I work with numerous charities globally and it definitely is stressful. But when you can see change in the world that you've done, like, and no one like, like, I, I've seen where my work was when I started with Breaking Bad in disability Communities and advocacy and awareness to today, like, I feel very proud of all the people that I worked with and all the teams and organizations and nonprofits that we've, we've worked with and helped and raised funds. And we, I, I raise about, I probably say, two to three million dollars a year for nonprofits and. Right. Annually. And so being able to see that change is, in my opinion, the most valuable thing in this world.

[Jack]

Could you shout out some of those nonprofits right now? We could leave links down below in.

[RJ Mitte]

The description too, if you guys are interested in. I'm a big supporter of Shriners Hospitals for Children. I was a Shriners kid when I was younger. I went to shriners Hospital from 2 to 18. They do amazing things, not just for people with disabilities, but just across the board for families. United Cerebral Palsy. I'm actually going to go in the next couple of weeks to do it for United Cerebral Palsy San Diego. But they're national. You know, these, both, both of these organizations are nationally. And then I work with lots of local municipalities and, you know, I've done stuff with the UN and like, Eastern Europe and Germany and, but those are my, those are my main two. I like to shout out.

[Jack]

And I'm curious, in terms of investing, do you invest in, like, stocks, ETFs, real estate, like, how a good REIT.

[RJ Mitte]

Goes a long way. Okay, sorry, what were you about to say?

[Graham Stephan]

Bitcoin.

[RJ Mitte]

I, I, I missed the biggest bullet of my life in 2009. Man, I remember being at Hollywood Tower. I don't know if y', all, y' all know where Hollywood Tower is off of, by the, by the 101 freeway. My friends live there. And I remember being at this, this, this radio, I forget what radio station it was, but they would have these concerts and stuff. And this dude's telling me about bitcoin. He's like, you gotta get it right now. It's gonna revolutionize, blah, blah, blah, like, all the things. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get it. And, and I don't know, I thought I bought some, I might have a laptop with some on it somewhere that I really hope that I find one day. But I, I missed it. But, like, I like Ethereum. I, I, I do do a little gambling, like Shiba Inu.

[Jack]

Did you make money on it.

[RJ Mitte]

No, I, I mean, I, I, well, well, I, I, I probably say up. I'm like 20% on my crypto market. I don't have a lot of crypto. Like, we're not, we're talking like a couple of GS. We're not talking like, like tons of money. I'm, I'm very careful with my personal funds as far as investing professionally. I, with the companies I work. We have different firms and stuff. And I've been the treasurer for many organizations over the years. And, you know, I'm a big fan of, of, of due diligence and transparency. And most of my work I do, it's like, oh, if here it is, it's publicly, but Charles Schwab.

[Graham Stephan]

Good? Yeah, yeah, they're great.

[RJ Mitte]

I love them. I've, I've had an account with them for a decade.

[Jack]

Do you have a Charles Schwab guy? Like a guy you reach out to? No, I just, we have a guy on the inside. We can put you in contact. Yeah, he's great to call.

[RJ Mitte]

It's kind of like, I just, I like to, I treat my stock count like gambling, so I like penny stocks. No.

[Graham Stephan]

Are you serious? Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

One of those guys.

[Graham Stephan]

How do you get your penny stocks? Where do you find them?

[RJ Mitte]

So lately I've been using ChatGPT to do a lot of the research. I say, hey, find me these types of dividend stocks. These, find me these types of structures with large cap capital and no debt. And I then have it pull up companies that have, like, I have, I've gotten some that have a 1200X on it. Like, I'm not, we're not talking like, a lot of money, but like, like, it went from a, I bought like 200 of of it, and now it's like 800 bucks.

[Jack]

Do you, do you have, like, index funds?

[RJ Mitte]

I have a couple.

[Jack]

Do you have any real estate?

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, yeah, I, I have, I want one. I, I don't like to, I also don't like to plug, plug, like, capital stuff. But there's like a couple I look for for like, index funds or real estate funds that again, have high asset allocation, that have minimal debt and that show gross income coming in. And so, I mean, you can't go wrong if they're making money. Right? And so I look at it across the board of, okay, is it losing money but it has a high asset valuation, or is it gaining money and have a low asset valuation? And so I always tend to choose something with assets, you know, something with tangible resources. And growth potential.

[Graham Stephan]

Very interesting. Well, you got to teach Jack a thing or two about very different.

[RJ Mitte]

It's almost, it's kind of like gambling.

[Jack]

It sounds like it.

[RJ Mitte]

You know, typically I'm a whole, I'm a long term holder. So like I'm someone that like I, I, I have this one stock. It's a interstellar mining company. They have rights to asteroids.

[Graham Stephan]

How, how do you even get a right to an asteroid?

[RJ Mitte]

Is that like you, you file for the right to asteroid anyone? Apparently. Who with the government face?

[Jack]

How do we know America owns it.

[RJ Mitte]

Instead of like no one owns it? That's insane.

[Jack]

But then how do they own it?

[RJ Mitte]

No one owns these flying, flying rocks. So like you have to, so like it's, it's like so NASA identifies these types of structures and you have all this like extra like, like space and they can hit it with certain telescopes. Like you have asteroids that are made out of solid gold.

[Graham Stephan]

So you get money off this.

[RJ Mitte]

So over the next 30 years like they're going to mine these, these things with what, with drone, drone hives, structured stuff. They're going to break all pieces, drop it. Some of it allegedly in orbit.

[Graham Stephan]

I would sell, man, I would get out of this thing.

[Jack]

But how do we know that like they have the right.

[RJ Mitte]

We don't.

[Graham Stephan]

This is a great business idea.

[Jack]

Is this a large percentage of your portfolio?

[RJ Mitte]

No, no.

[Jack]

If it's money that you're comfortable playing.

[RJ Mitte]

Around with, you know, we're talking like, like it's, it's increasing valuable again. I, I don't, I, most of my, most of my income that I make it literally I make it myself. As far as like my stock stuff in my portfolio, I use it with long term like, like I got a couple like million shares of some stuff for a hundred bucks. But like, like, you know what I mean?

[Graham Stephan]

Like he's buying like 30% of the company for like 500.

[RJ Mitte]

I love monopoly.

[Jack]

Are you, are you like like a, like more than 50% owner of any of these?

[RJ Mitte]

Well the one one, the one that I'm talking about, UC Mattress Warehouse.

[Graham Stephan]

He's buying like some kids lemonade stand.

[RJ Mitte]

Basically there's this hustler there, there's these two kids in South Dakota who sell the best lemonade. Like great roi.

[Jack]

Do you, do you have, do you have any desire to also have some like, like other more conservative investments, like an index fund or anything?

[RJ Mitte]

No, I, I, I do like you know, like S and P type stuff. Like you know, I, I mean mean for the most part like I, I do I do consultant for, for different firms and stuff like that. Joking aside, like I, I, I'm, those are my joke ones. But like, you know, it's, for me it's all about like long term structured growth. We reinvest dividends, you know, power utility stuff, structure like that.

[Jack]

Okay. Yeah. I was just, I was just curious though. As long as like you could do all that stuff. As long as you're also doing like.

[RJ Mitte]

No, yeah, no, I, I, I'm, I'm my like look, I'm not rich or anything. Everyone always assumes, everyone assumes I'm loaded. But like I, I work hard for every dollar I have. And, and since I, over the past 20 years of learning in finance and doing different structures and running boards, there's certain things that like, you know where to invest and then there's, there's the gambling.

[Graham Stephan]

Do people ever hit you up for money because they see you on the.

[RJ Mitte]

Show and they're like, dude, must have all the time. When the first, when the show first came out, someone hit me up to pay for their son's rehab and like blamed us and like a whole thing about like the show and it's like we've just had one episode, one episode.

[Jack]

And they already were.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, coming down pretty hard on it in the beginning, you know, know. But like I, you know, I'm really good about protecting myself. I have a very tight knit family. I don't really do anything or put myself to. I, I really don't. I do my best to keep my, keep myself out of vulnerable positions, you know.

[Jack]

Do you have any financial goals?

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. To, to just. No.

[Graham Stephan]

That mining stock.

[RJ Mitte]

That mining stock, I'm telling you, don't bring it down.

[Jack]

If you end up.

[Graham Stephan]

I should sell all of my gold.

[Jack]

Right now because you're going to devalue the heck out of gold. If we have an asteroid that's made out of 24 karat gold and it comes down, I want to invest basically anyone that's holding gold right now, the gold will be. Yeah, it'll become worthless.

[RJ Mitte]

Well, it's a little more complicated than that. There I go. Will always have value. It's in all the technologies. Like it's in your cars, it's in your phones, it's in this microphone.

[Graham Stephan]

Your asteroid could bring it down like.

[RJ Mitte]

50% or raise technology because we use some little gold. Imagine if we had more of it to create stronger technology.

[Graham Stephan]

That's true.

[Jack]

You could hedge your asteroid gold position.

[RJ Mitte]

With like some semi biotech.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh yeah, you could put bitcoin mining facilities on the asteroid.

[RJ Mitte]

Well, it's cooling. Yeah, you wouldn't it anyways. No, but you know, I think it's really when it comes to investments, you always have to have due diligence. You always have to do your research and structure and like, like I, I find again, and knowing where your money's coming in and where your money's going out, like really managing that, there's a lot of people that don't know where their assets are going and there's a lot of money that just like, it's like, oh, you know, oh, it was a dollar here and a dollar there and a dollar there. But over time those dollars really add up. And you know, knowing what your bills are, what your structured system is and the life that you want to live. You know, you mentioned financial goals are earlier. I do, and I do have a lot of financial goals that I'm working towards. And you know, I'm a big fan of like real estate and stuff. Like I have a property, I lived in California, never could afford a house in California, but moved into Texas within a year, bought a home. And so, you know, I think having strong assets are key in your life. And you know, Pokemon cards don't, don't hurt.

[Graham Stephan]

You know, they're going up, they've been going up a lot this last year apparently.

[RJ Mitte]

Apparently. But you know, really creating kind of a steady, stable portfolio income based structure. You know, my, my overall goal for me over the next like 15 years is to really just get a nice portfolio where it has regularly structured systems and kind of just making it where it's like, okay, I don't have to go take that job next Tuesday.

[Graham Stephan]

So what do you think separates actors who have really long great careers versus those who fade out?

[RJ Mitte]

I think it varies depending on the actor. I mean, you know, I think it also depends on the civilization and the time that we're in. You know what, you know, if we look at actors going back since the creation of television specifically, you know, you look at the Starlets of 1940s and 50s and 60s and 70s to the Starlets today, it's a different market, it's a generational growth. It's a different type of either a resurgence or a desurgency emergence of like industry. And you know, I, I find it's about being consistent, showing up on time, knowing your lines, being again, punctuality is like so important in the industry because if, if you miss a day, like, like it was about 25000 a day for breaking Bad. So if you messed up that day, that's 25. That's. That's. That's time and money.

[Graham Stephan]

Money.

[RJ Mitte]

Like you're, You're, You're. Everyone's hurting, and so. And that can come from the smallest little thing and having a strong chain of people that really work together, that show up on time, that keep pushing forward. I think that's what makes. That's where you see these actors that are. That are popping off and then right place at the right time. One thing I learned and I was told at young age, age, life is the most important thing is when readiness meets opportunity. I don't know if you ever heard this, but we're so often not ready, but we have the opportunity, and then we're so often ready, but there's no opportunity. And I find when that iron strikes and you're ready to strike it and that opportunity comes and you're ready for it, that's where you launch and that's where you grow. Grow from.

[Graham Stephan]

How important are relationships and networking? Like, how much is it?

[Jack]

Who.

[RJ Mitte]

You know, I mean, how else did I get here? Like, you know what I mean? This is a great example of networking right now, from Ian to here to late. Like, you know, I. I think it's. It's about networking, but not just networking and partying and doing all the things, but networking in a way that puts you in a light where people see your assets versus, like, oh, that's that guy. Yeah, we see. We see him all the time versus, like, oh, he's coming through. You know, like, there are these stars out. Like, you know, like, if you. When you see Brian walk into a room, right? It's a thing. It's not like, it's not some simple, like some random dude walk into the room. It's like a. Like an energy. And that's something that over time, you. You grow and you learn with and. And you create this energy and I think, like, through trial and error, but being at the right place and the right time with carrying yourself properly and carrying yourself in a way that. That actually helps the community now.

[Graham Stephan]

Does playing Walt Jr. Make it harder to get other work in the future, or does it make. It.

[RJ Mitte]

Does it open doors so hard, man? Like, like, it opened a lot of doors. But I mean, you're still Walt Jr. Regardless. Like, you know, I. I was so young on that show, and so that was kind of like everyone else, you know, Brian and, And Betsy and Anna, they've all had years of experience in shows and movies before they. They Breaking Bad. Was it like a show that changed everything. Right. And for me, that was kind of like the. Like, that was like my first experience of actually being a speaking role and having that ability to walk into this. So for me, I kind of like where everyone else kept building. I kind of had to go back. I had to. After the show was done, I kind of had to backstep into like a guest art role or smaller parts that weren't so. Because they're like, no, he's great. He's great, but he looks like Walt Jr. And it's like, no one. As an actor, you can't carry that. You don't want to carry your roles in every role. And so for me, I've worked really hard in selecting my movies that really highlight my acting ability versus just. They hired me because of. I was Walt Jr. I was on Breaking Down.

[Graham Stephan]

But you know what? Bryan Cranston did a great job because when I first. First watched Breaking Bad the first few episodes, I couldn't get. Get it out of my mind that this isn't how for Malcolm in the Middle. And I was like, that's the dad for Malcolm in the Middle. And it took me maybe a half a season to get that out of my head. Like, he transitioned that really, really, really well. Same with Ed o'. Neill. I would think of him from Married with Children nonstop. And it took a long time, but he was able to. Even now I still think, ah, that's Married. But. But he did it very successfully.

[RJ Mitte]

But it takes time.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

And it takes like. It takes continuously watching being like, okay, okay, that. That's this character. Not no longer that character. And. And I think it. Just having more episodes and more shows. But, like, you know, if you look at Brian and you look at Ed, they've had years of other shows and movies that no one ever knows of. You know, and it's. It's. It's not about, you know, it's about getting that one.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

And being ready for it when you get it. That catapults you into that next thing. And that's kind of where I'm working on right now, is trying to find a show that fits me. I shoot like two movies a year, but. But something that really is that next step. And it's kind of. But it's really hard to make another Breaking Bad again. You know, you don't.

[Jack]

Well, I don't think will ever be.

[RJ Mitte]

It's in Boston.

[Jack]

But I've seen with quite a few people, like Macaulay Culkin.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Like after Home Alone, like, he's Been in plenty of movies since then. Like, I'll see him. He does a great job. Same thing as like, oddly enough, Nat Wolf, if you know who that is, from Naked Brothers Band. Like, he was that when he was a kid and they had a TV show. And then since then, like he's been in some really interesting movies since then.

[RJ Mitte]

But you look at how long after that it was, you know, extreme.

[Graham Stephan]

It's almost like a change of appearance though. Culkin really changed from being a kid to now.

[RJ Mitte]

But, but there's always like this gap of societal transition because they love you so much as this role. Yeah. And then you're 30, like, you know, it's like, it's like you were, you were a child then and now you're an adult. So the transition, it's almost like a shock.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. Same with Harry Potter. Daniel Rad.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. And like, look at his content though. Like he does some, some really far out movies and I find it's all about stretching that view of your, you and, and breaking that, breaking that barrier of like, okay, you were this character for so long and we love this character, we want more of this. But, oh, let's see this. Oh, and then they go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then five years later they go back to that movie and go, you know, I really like that movie.

[Graham Stephan]

So what do you think though, with the future of acting right now with AI and being able to clone people's voices and aesthetics, like for background actors, you could theoretically, like and I think in the news gladiator, like a lot of those people just complete cgi.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. AI. I think everything serves a purpose. And again, as I look at it as money, as a tool? AI is a tool. Do I think it can replace everyone? No. Do I think it will change how we do things, how we see things, the information that we receive, very big, very big way. I think though, it's, it's as the industry comes together, right. And you know, you see like AI boycotts like for voice acting and you see these structures of, like, of the union and pushing back on AI. I think we need a better understanding. I think the technology is still so fresh and so new and it's growing rapidly. I think it's about being able to still protect artists but using different capacities to do that. You know, with the dot com, like computers were created, no one, no one like wanted computers. No one wanted the structure. Like people are like, these are just a fade. And now they're essential in our everyday life. We carry a computer every day. I think It's a double edged sword. But as every industry grows and changes, I think we have to rise above it. You know, as an artist, as someone that protects our brands, our art, our who we are, I don't believe AI can replace us. I think that is impossible. There's something about humanity that nothing else in this world, in this galaxy, whatever, like we are very unique in one phase that we continue no matter what, we grow, we evolve, we adapt. So as we evolve and adapt and as this new emerging industry of technology evolves and adapt and creates new problems, we create problems to fix it. And identifying the issues, identifying the structures and being able, able to utilize it in a way that is conducive for growth in art versus being replacing art.

[Jack]

You know, I'm curious, do you, do you find any issue with non disabled people playing disabled people in TV shows and movies? And what about Dwarves? Because I know that there was like this big thing, I don't know what the politically correct little people, little people, people that aren't little people playing little people.

[RJ Mitte]

This is how I look at able bodied actors playing disabled roles. I think that if you can hire someone with a disability for a role that highlights a disability, you should always do that. Now with that being said, if you're going to get someone like a Brad Pitt to play something, the amount of media you're going to get for that, either positive or negative, is going to raise a question, right? It's going to be, be thought provoking, it's going to inspire, it's going to be like yo, we, we need more change on this. We need social this, we need structure on this, we need these opportunities. And I feel that in the industry we kind of go through these phases of where we see a increase of people with disabilities and well, not, not necessarily disability, but accurate representation, right. Diversified casting. I think there's a fine line of, of bringing it positively, positively into the mainstream media or negative. I see there's both a purpose in that because no one's always 100% accurate. But I think if you have someone with a disability that can play the role that is that part, there's no reason why you shouldn't hire them. But if you want to try to sensationalize or something like, that's what you can do with a bigger name.

[Jack]

So I have a question about some of the lore of Breaking Bad. I'm curious what scene was the most difficult to film either because people kept breaking character because it was funny or because it was just logistically challenging.

[RJ Mitte]

I know the desert the desert was definitely challenging for the crew. I didn't spend a lot of time in the desert. I. Mostly because I was either eating breakfast or chilling in my room. I think one of the hardest. Not the hardest, but I guess emotional parts for me during the series was when Walt Jr finds Brian beat up at his new apartment. And he has a conversation with Brian about his father dying of emphysema and of lung cancer. And at the same time, my grandfather was dying of emphysema and lung cancer. And so it just, that that kind of scene really meant a lot to me and was definitely one of those high, high emotional kind of grass that I really wanted to make sure we got right.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the craziest thing that you've seen someone do to get in character?

[RJ Mitte]

I've, I, I, I can't go into detail about some things, but I've worked with a few method actors.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

And, and do you believe in that? I believe there's a fine line of it. You know, I, I believe, like. Cause like, I'm, I wouldn't call myself a method actor, but, but I do my best to always feel what my character's feeling. I always, I, I do, I find acting really is important on an emotional level, like what those characters are feeling, how that character is feeling. And I use basis of my life and life experiences to make these characters feel a certain way. So as far as that aspect. Yeah, but I don't. When you see people being an ass to people or like getting aggressive and it's like a method, I'm like, I'm like, dude, like, you don't have to be a dick.

[Jack]

You're supposed to be playing a nice person.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, well, no, that's usually because they're not playing a nice.

[Jack]

I know, I'm joking, but.

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, but, but, like, I think it's a fine line, but I also think sometimes it's an excuse to be an ass.

[Jack]

That's interesting.

[RJ Mitte]

Like, and to get away with things.

[Graham Stephan]

So that's what you've seen is that people, like, get into character like that and they won't break it.

[RJ Mitte]

They don't break it. And, and, and they carry it off. And I'm like, I'm like, part of me doesn't think you're acting, man. Like, like, it's like, I, I think you're like this 24 7.

[Jack]

Was there ever a scene.

[Graham Stephan]

Was that Tuco?

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, no. Dude, I would love Breaking Bad from, from every single person on there was a gym. Like, like really, like, quality. Very Meticulous thought out casting. It's on some of the other movies that, that I've done that, that now.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm like, I'm speaking of Tuko, you know, have you seen the lawsuit recently with the Hoes? Oh, so stupid. You hear about this giant, he was washing his car and like he sprayed some kid with water. Well, do they sued him?

[RJ Mitte]

So it goes deeper than that. So I, I found out some information and, and there's a statement by his team because I know, I know Raymond Cruz.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

Very well. Like, like I see Raymond, I, I probably hang out with Raymond. Like Raymond and Daniel and Luis Moncada that who played the Salamanca twins. No, I hang out with them like because like I'll go do comic cons and stuff with them and that's so cool. And so, so from what I understand, these like three girls parked like right on his bumper while he was washing his car and like, and started recording him and he's like, hey, can you move? And he'd splash. And they called the cops.

[Graham Stephan]

Like they want attention. They want attention and money. That's all it is.

[RJ Mitte]

But I think I don't necessarily look, view it as a bad, bad thing for him because he was in the national news, man, everyone brought him up late, brought him back to hardcore. Right to the top. Raymond Cruz.

[Graham Stephan]

So are you saying you need to spray someone with water? We go down to the strip and just have some mayhem down there.

[RJ Mitte]

I'm good on that. I don't need headaches.

[Jack]

Did any cast member have like the giggles? Like they would have a hard time?

[RJ Mitte]

All the time.

[Jack]

Really.

[RJ Mitte]

All the time. We were all laughing all the time.

[Jack]

Which scene elicited the most amount of laughs where you had to just redo it because it was too funny.

[RJ Mitte]

It wasn't about like redoing it or too many laughs. It kind of, you know, Brian having such a comedic background, like everything he brought into it was very comedic. Even when he did serious roles, he really was good about creating an environment on set where, you know, we had really heavy content and it was, it was very stressful content. But as soon as we said cut, everyone was cheering, everyone smiled. Especially on the hard days. We had full support from our staff from, from, from Grips Electric, like painting like set to every. It was all hands on deck every single time. It has been single. One of the best crews I probably, that I've ever worked with and probably will ever work with in my life.

[Jack]

How are your nerves in the beginning of the show to the end of the show? I imagine Stepping in and being this your first, like, talking role. I mean, it's a pretty. Pretty important moment in your life. How were you super nervous in the beginning? And I imagine you found. Found your rhythm.

[RJ Mitte]

I didn't understand. I was such a kid. I didn't understand what this show would be like, you know.

[Graham Stephan]

Did you watch Malcolm in the Middle?

[RJ Mitte]

So I watched Malcolm in the Middle.

[Graham Stephan]

But that would be intimidating to be.

[RJ Mitte]

Like, in the same room. I watched it after Breaking Bad.

[Graham Stephan]

Oh, I see.

[RJ Mitte]

So I watched it. I watched it later, like, and I saw it. But I also. I'm one of those people that I don't correlate people in TV and film together. So when I watch a show or I watch a movie, I don't carry the other work. I only see them in that role.

[Graham Stephan]

Got it. How did fame affect your friendships?

[RJ Mitte]

Early on, I worked really hard on keeping on my friends. You know, I'm still very close with most of my old friends. Do we still talk regularly? No, but, like, I can pretty much pick up the phone and call my best friend from high school, like, and he'd be like, hey, what's happening now? He's like, now he has, like, all my friends now are, like, settled down and like, family of four, like. But I worked really hard to not lose, like, not let fame affect me, not let the. The. Whatever. The. The LA, NY. What I really tried, and I continue to try to always never let my work get to my head.

[Jack]

Do you remember the first time you got recognized?

[RJ Mitte]

I. I. It was probably the first time I got recognized was probably around, like, season four, five. Yeah. Not until later. Again. We were really popular in Eastern Europe.

[Jack]

I imagine now, though, that, like, I mean, you still have a. Like, a young face. Like, you still look young.

[Graham Stephan]

I was about to say, like, you look the same.

[Jack]

You look, like, basically the same, which is great. Like, that's.

[Graham Stephan]

That's a compliment.

[Jack]

Yeah, that's a good thing. I imagine this being like, you know, arguably the biggest show of all time. One of the biggest shows of all time. Certainly that, like, anywhere that you go, it's gotta probably.

[RJ Mitte]

I normally grow a beard.

[Graham Stephan]

Really?

[RJ Mitte]

Like today? Yeah.

[Jack]

Like, do you do a mask and, like, a hat?

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, no. I. I grow the beard. People don't expect me to walk.

[Jack]

Interesting aspect. But you get looks everywhere.

[RJ Mitte]

I imagine.

[Jack]

Imagine does that. Like, there's a complete difference in, like, your life and Graham's life. I imagine, like, going out. Like, it's.

[RJ Mitte]

There's accountability. Right. Like, and. And for me, with this role with this. With this medium. Right. You know, and. And one day you'll get there. No, thanks. But, But. But like, it. I've always carried responsibility with me in what I do, how I go out and how I present myself, because there is cause and effect to my actions. Like, I never, like, I do comic Cons. I enjoy comic Cons because I love memorabilia. So I'll go, I'll buy. Buy stuff and whatever. And the impact that I've seen on fans, lives where you can change someone's perspective or have a conversation with them that they'll never get an opportunity to do, ask a question like this or, you know, I get a lot because of my disability. I get a lot of disability related, like young parents that love the show with a kid with a disability. And, you know, people see you. And now more than ever, people see y'. All. People watch y'. All. They. They listen to it. They rewatch y'. All. And. And there's an impact on them from that. And they have their favorite episodes and their favorite structures. And I. I find when you're out in public, especially having a show, show like Breaking Bad specifically, there's a certain accountability you have to carry with you. And for me, I want every person I engage to leave it with a positive experience, to leave whatever we're talking about and being like, I can go tackle whatever it is I'm tackling. And that's something I truly always carry with me in the back of my mind.

[Graham Stephan]

How did you navigate dating? Because I saw Bryan Cranston on Howard Stern. Said you were crushing it with the ladies.

[RJ Mitte]

Not anymore. I just got one lady. I.

[Graham Stephan]

We got earmuffs.

[RJ Mitte]

No, no, we're good. We're good.

[Graham Stephan]

If you could step now.

[RJ Mitte]

She knows everything. Everything. No, you know, I just went at a time. No, it's. It's. I don't know. I think I did pretty well. I'm pretty happy with my dating life.

[Graham Stephan]

Would they. But would they approach you, or would you approach them? Or how. How did that come to be?

[RJ Mitte]

I was always leery of. Of. Of people that kind of approached me. I was. I'm more like. Was more of a be like, hey, you want to. Like, I. I never use dating apps. Like, so, like, I. I've never used a dating app. I. They. They always scare me. Scared me. Like they're signed.

[Graham Stephan]

People wouldn't believe it if it weren't.

[Jack]

They wouldn't believe it.

[RJ Mitte]

No, they wouldn't believe it. And. And there's actually been people that have pretended to be me on dating Apps. Because, like, I have friends that use that stuff.

[Graham Stephan]

And, like, are they successful on there?

[RJ Mitte]

I think my, My friends are very successful on their apps.

[Graham Stephan]

No, I met people pretending to be you.

[Jack]

Oh, do they have you?

[RJ Mitte]

And they had me. Yeah. I get. My buddy would send me a screenshot, like, on Instagram or something. Be like, yeah, yo, but it's not me, it's Walt Jr. That's how they would have it. As Walt Jr. Yeah. Like, it was, it was a swipe.

[Graham Stephan]

On that just to.

[Jack]

Have you ever been rejected once?

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everyone gets rejected. It's funny because, you know, it's. People see the show, right? And they're like, the show, the show, the show. And, and they don't really care about, about you. Like, like, it's. And, and, and that's fine. Like, if you love, if you love Breaking Bad, I appreciate it. I'm grateful for it. Like, but, like, it's like knowing, and this is something that I've learned to protect myself at a young age, too, was. But knowing not everyone's your friend, I, I think that's something that we. That even I forget sometimes. But not everyone's your friend. Not everyone's there out of kindness. Not everyone's there to support you. You. Like, sometimes people really want to see you fail. And sadly, when you go into life dating, whatever it may be, you always have to remember not everyone's there for good intentions. And you give people the benefit of the doubt. You give them what you give what you get. And for me, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but also know knowing that not everyone's your friend. And you do have to be careful. And especially in an industry like this, like sexuality, like dating, it's a tool. And until you find that right person, that person that, like, is thick and thin, you, you know, you, you find it and you can recognize it once you have it, but it takes time.

[Jack]

Do you still speak with Brian and Aaron on often?

[RJ Mitte]

Occasionally. Like, I, I, I every once in a while. Probably like once every year. So we, we just did a reunion. Yeah, a reunion with Netflix. We gave, we did the SAG Awards, and we presented, I want to say, Best Drama to Succession.

[Graham Stephan]

I heard that show's really good.

[RJ Mitte]

It's really good. Yeah, it's very good. Um, yeah, I'd probably say last year or year before last. So we all got together, and that was the first time we got together in, in quite some time.

[Graham Stephan]

So could you just call them up if you wanted to? Yeah, theoretically.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, yeah. I wouldn't, but yeah.

[Jack]

That's crazy.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, I. They call. We call it. Yeah, it's not a problem.

[Graham Stephan]

That's cool.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah. I wouldn't be like.

[Jack]

I mean, I'm just sitting here hanging out.

[RJ Mitte]

I do get people to ask me to call Brian and I'm like, dude, okay.

[Jack]

That's just.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm going to tell you what would actually do incredible for you on TikTok. There's this trend where you call people and just wish them a good night. If you called Brian and you said, hey man, just wishing you a good.

[Jack]

Night, that would go insane. It's true.

[RJ Mitte]

That would go.

[Graham Stephan]

That would probably get 10 to 20 million views if you were to do that.

[RJ Mitte]

I don't do TikTok though.

[Graham Stephan]

But if this were your first is.

[Jack]

You're spraying down the people with the hose moment.

[Graham Stephan]

Yes.

[Jack]

This is that.

[Graham Stephan]

I. So this would, this would go so viral online. You just calling him, hey, man, just want to wish you good night. Night. And just pause, see what he says.

[RJ Mitte]

See about.

[Graham Stephan]

He has such a recognizable voice.

[RJ Mitte]

But I couldn't, I couldn't post that. Like, I would feel like I would have to be like, hey, I'm doing this to post. You know what I mean? I couldn't.

[Graham Stephan]

I bet he would love it. I don't know. I don't know him, but he would, he would laugh.

[RJ Mitte]

But like, I, I, I also have worked really hard. Not like as much as like my life is entwined with Breaking Bad. I've definitely worked really hard to not infringe on, you know, Bryan Cranston or Paul. You know what I mean? Cause that's the number one for the show.

[Graham Stephan]

I understand that.

[RJ Mitte]

So I do my best. No, I agree. It would pop off.

[Graham Stephan]

Well, just consider it putting it's in your back pocket and you could pull it out at any time.

[RJ Mitte]

You want to hide it back there?

[Graham Stephan]

All right, I want to bring this up too.

[RJ Mitte]

Yes, sir.

[Graham Stephan]

I bet this is not what you expect. Oh, no, but you did some modeling.

[RJ Mitte]

Yes, I did.

[Graham Stephan]

And I wanted to know the story behind this.

[RJ Mitte]

I'm assuming it's me with tits.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah. I don't need to pull it up.

[Jack]

You know what I'm talking about.

[RJ Mitte]

I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Graham Stephan]

What's the story behind.

[RJ Mitte]

Why Vivienne Westwood. No, I modeled. I modeled for like four years in like in, in Germany, in France, and like across the board, I did model. And that was kind of like after Breaking Bad, it was like, okay, what should I do next? Right? What, what should that next Be. That's going to make me stand out from. From the show. And. And so that started with modeling, and. And luckily, I was super thin at the time. Not so much anymore, but. But I really wanted to try to create something that was unique to only me apart from the show. And so I was modeling and met some of the Vivienne Westwood people, and so that was one of the Vivienne Westwoods. I got like, a little bag or anything.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, but some of these fashion shows, they're wild. Why. And so when you saw that, did they present that to you?

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack]

And then what was your initial reaction.

[RJ Mitte]

Down. Well, at the time, like, you know, at the time, that type of content was very sensitive, you know, and, like, let alone walking with. Walking, doing Runway shows with a disability at the time, too, was. Was something that was very unique. And so, like, like, it was a very unique thing. And. And fashion is all about sensationalism, right? It's like, you know, what are the statement pieces? And Vivian Westwood was very. She since passed, but she was such an icon when it came to punk and grunge and these types of abstract thinking and eco environment growth. And. And so I. I went into it, though, with Myelin being like, yeah, whatever y' all want. Just. I just don't go nude. Like, like, so I was pretty much up for anything, Anything. And they were like, okay, we're gonna put this bag. They're like, here's this bag. I'm like, oh, how do I. No, we're gonna strap it to your chest.

[Graham Stephan]

And how is that artistic?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, maybe I'm just.

[Graham Stephan]

I. I just don't.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, a dude with boobs at what? I think that was what, 2014.

[Jack]

It was a while ago.

[RJ Mitte]

2014, 2013, maybe. Like, the world was very different than it is today. You know what. What? Socially acceptable then and socially acceptable now. Like, it's so wish washy, like, but. But when it comes to fashion, it's all about abstract and pushing the envelope and. And getting people to think, especially with like, Vivian Westwood and Kenneth Cole and, you know, these types of entities that really want to change a narrative and change a perspective. And so I. I remember at some time, I think it was like, free the nipple or was one of the really big campaigns time, because women nudity was. Was like, not okay. Like, like it is today. And. And so I. I think when it comes to these. These statement pieces, like, I. I did another one where they covered us in grass. It was like this, like, it was like this.

[Graham Stephan]

This.

[RJ Mitte]

This line we're walking through these, like, ruins, and like, I'm covered in grass.

[Graham Stephan]

It seems like it's like a social experiment.

[RJ Mitte]

It is. They are social experiments. How I feel about him. Yes. And it's pushing the envelope. You know, it's like, who can be the weirdest? I mean, have you. You seen the. The. The garbage dresses?

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, I've.

[Jack]

I don't. I've seen the meat dress, the meat Lady Gaga.

[RJ Mitte]

Jaden.

[Graham Stephan]

Jaden Smith even shows up. He wore, like, the castle on his head recently.

[RJ Mitte]

I saw that.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm thinking, what's the point? Like, you could wear a nice.

[RJ Mitte]

Well, people were talking about it right now.

[Graham Stephan]

Is that so. The point is just to be talked about when. At which point then I. I get it. I get it. To be the most absurd you can. So people are like, yo, did you say. See that?

[RJ Mitte]

You know, it's all about absurdity and. And again, pushing the envelope, pushing perspective. A lot of these. A lot of these types of, like, designers are. Are very entwined and entwined into. Com. Thank you. Entwined in communities and. And, you know, they're not all from the U.S. they're not all from one country or another. They. They all have unique, different statements that they're making, like, where they're at. Like, if it's in Germany or UK or here in the States, like, you see it more related to societal reflection a lot of times.

[Jack]

What's the weirdest opportunity you've had? Being famous in Hollywood.

[Graham Stephan]

Have you ever been able to lick mold?

[Jack]

Graham would maybe pay $15 for it.

[Graham Stephan]

It just goes from Jack to see you look, and then it's Jack's turn.

[RJ Mitte]

I've eaten mold. It's okay. You're fine. No, no, I would. Hey. Yeah. 25.

[Jack]

25. I guess with inflation and everything.

[RJ Mitte]

It'S all good. I'm glad there's no mold. I don't know what's the weird. What's the weirdest thing? I've had some. I've had some weird instances, though, where, like, I've had someone try to cut my hair, like, while I, like. Like, straight up came at me with scissors. Scissors. And I grabbed the hand. It was like, whoa. Wow.

[Jack]

Like a fan.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Because she wanted your hair.

[Graham Stephan]

Or was it a he?

[RJ Mitte]

No, it was she. It was. It was. It was she. But, yeah. I don't know what she wanted, but she.

[Jack]

Did you let her?

[RJ Mitte]

No, I. I don't mess with voodoo. Get out of here. I'm like, what do you want my hair for? Yeah. No, no, I don't. Know, I, I did a survival show. I did the Isla with Bear Grand Grills and that was, that was insane. I had a blast. I really enjoyed it.

[Jack]

That's really cool.

[Graham Stephan]

That's neat.

[RJ Mitte]

No, I've done a lot of little odd parts. I did a series that was super weird called the Guardians of Justice. It was the Guardians of Justice will save you. Now. I don't know if you know the director, Ali Shankar, he did like Dread, the new Dread. He has Captain Laser, Razorhawk, Castlevania, those types of shows. And so I did a series with him. Took 11 years. And it's live action and animation and stock motion. It's like very, very niche market. But I'm, I'm very lucky that I get to do a lot of fun stuff.

[Jack]

So we have some rapid fire questions right before we wrap this up. What is the best breakfast item?

[RJ Mitte]

Um, Bacon.

[Jack]

When people recognize you, do they call you Flynn Walt Jr. Or do they call you RJ?

[RJ Mitte]

Flynn?

[Graham Stephan]

Really?

[RJ Mitte]

I get, I get Flynn a lot. Which I prefer Walt. Like, first of all, I prefer rj, my real name, but, but, but yeah, Flynn all the time, dude.

[Jack]

What's the most common reference you get?

[RJ Mitte]

I get a lot of people that, that ask me to like, curse them out, like how I did my dad. Like call them, like, call them like, say, say it just like the show that you're a, like all the time.

[Graham Stephan]

Could you say that?

[RJ Mitte]

Definitely. You know, go ahead.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Chris Graham. Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

Chris. Dude, that would be an honor.

[RJ Mitte]

Well, here, let me, let me.

[Jack]

Let me.

[RJ Mitte]

You're. You're, you're a pussy. Similar, right? It's good, right? It's always there.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

10 years later.

[Graham Stephan]

That's great. I felt that.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Do you feel like one?

[RJ Mitte]

No.

[Graham Stephan]

A little bit?

[RJ Mitte]

No, I feel like I just got.

[Jack]

Hit by some shrapnel over here.

[RJ Mitte]

No, yeah, I, I get a few lines, but that's. A lot of people want, want that first.

[Graham Stephan]

I'm like, do you, do you enjoy doing that or do you feel like.

[Jack]

A bit like, like, what if someone like nearby, you know, didn't really know what's going on? They just see you calling someone that.

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, I do it very selectively.

[Jack]

Okay, so you're not gonna be in a crowded area?

[RJ Mitte]

Well, no, I'm not just gonna go, like, if it makes sense or like, whatever. Like, like, I, I appreciate people appreciating my work. I, I like. So if taking that two minute time to call them that, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm cool with it. And it's like they, you know, they. A lot of them will like run off giddy like school girls. I'm like, that's a grown ass man.

[Graham Stephan]

You made my day.

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, thank you.

[Jack]

That's cool. What's the craziest fan encounter you've ever had?

[RJ Mitte]

I mean, the scissor thing with the hair was pretty crazy. I have phase where people were trying to break into my house.

[Jack]

Oh, whoa.

[RJ Mitte]

And. And it got handled.

[Jack]

Wow, that's. That's crazy. What's the most bizarre gift you've ever received from a fan?

[RJ Mitte]

Their hair.

[Jack]

You received hair?

[RJ Mitte]

I kept that. No, no, I did not.

[Jack]

You ke.

[RJ Mitte]

I did not keep that one thing. I did get. I got a weird box one time and I, I. It had to go to a police department. Wow.

[Jack]

What's your favorite meme you've ever seen of yourself?

[RJ Mitte]

I think my 21st birthday meme is pretty wild. I honestly did not expect that video to still be circulating 12 years later.

[Graham Stephan]

I missed the video. What's the video?

[RJ Mitte]

It's. It's me over at the. The Palm at the Ghost bar for my 21st birthday. And. And it's just me walking into, like the club with my friends, and they recorded the whole thing and people cut. It's all. It's on TikTok.

[Graham Stephan]

I'll check it out.

[RJ Mitte]

It's. It's pretty funny. I'm like, like wired on Red Bull.

[Jack]

You did seem pretty locked in.

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, dude, I was so locked. I was like. Cause like, my, my buddies, we just came from the tables. We were winning. Like, we. We went to a show. We were like, we're having a good time.

[Graham Stephan]

That's fun.

[Jack]

What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

[RJ Mitte]

I think, I think always be prepared for when readiness meets opportunity. I think that's kind of the best advice that I was given.

[Jack]

Who would win in a prank war? You versus Brian versus Aaron.

[RJ Mitte]

Oh, Brian. All day. Brian would take us both down.

[Jack]

Wouldn't be close.

[RJ Mitte]

Wouldn't even be close.

[Jack]

What do you have next on the horizon? What do you. What do you got going on in your life?

[RJ Mitte]

So right now I have a movie called West Hampton with Fin Wit Rock. I don't know if you all know know of him from American Horror Story and a bunch of other movies and shows. We just did Tribeca. We just did another film festival in New York as well. So that, that's really doing. Really proud of it. It's a great team of people. I have a couple movies that I'm in talks with at the the moment. So I'm been attached to for a few years that I'm really hoping that finally get their funding. I have another movie coming out hopefully either at the end of this year, beginning of next year that they're still working on title stuff and where but really a lot of my work is foundation work based in Texas. So I've been doing this project down there with a community community in like community development, parks, parking, entrepreneurship type stuff. So that's really kept me very busy for the past few years. But I'm working on getting on another show just auditioning man, what's your dream gig?

[Jack]

Who would you want to work with?

[RJ Mitte]

See that man, that's the hardest thing. It's not necessarily who I want to work with. I just want another well written show again. I miss, I miss that I work on TVs and movie. I work on TV and movies that, that it's like, it's, it's good but it's so rushed and like one of my, my, my, my things. I really don't like to be rushed. Like especially when I create a character and I, and I try to put myself out there and it's like, like we're trying to rush through stuff that normally would take. Well usually we don't have budget but, but like it's like I really want to be able to, to. To go back to kind of how where we had the ability to grow these characters in an environment with well written, with a well oiled team.

[Jack]

Do you think something like Breaking Bad can ever be written again?

[RJ Mitte]

I don't think, I don't necessarily think something like Breaking Bad but it's all about growth, you know. I do think there'll be another show that like caps it. You know, it just intentionally time it just.

[Graham Stephan]

I, I game was close the first season, but it was not. It didn't have that longevity though.

[RJ Mitte]

I, I think what made Breaking Bad so unique was the time that it came out in the content of the show. Nothing had been like it. The type of, the type of drugs, the type of environment the world like you know, this was 2008. The, the economy crashed during the first season of Breaking Bad. So there were a lot of people, people with a Walter White mentality of how do I survive, how do I grow? And most shows I find today aren't based in realism. I found Breaking Bad was very real as far as what these characters were doing. The family dynamic, the environment that they were having and their impact on each other. It wasn't like controlled or contrived. It wasn't forced. It just. It made sense. Everything that each of these characters made sense. And what didn't make sense was like, well, it makes sense now. Like, you know, and I think that's something that's really hard to capture. And I just saw Vince stayed on to Sony for more another four years or so. Which one of the best writers, man, Vince Gilligan is.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, even better. Call Saul. I really enjoyed it.

[Jack]

This is a fun episode.

[RJ Mitte]

You're.

[Jack]

You're pretty funny.

[Graham Stephan]

You gotta be doing more podcasts.

[Jack]

Why don't you create a podcast or something?

[RJ Mitte]

We've been talking about it. I. It's a lot of work, guys. What y' all do is not easy.

[Jack]

If you want, I don't know, we. We are willing to help you with anything. We could tell you what equipment you need, what cameras, what mics. We could put you in touch with editors, producers, whatever you need. Need. It can happen.

[RJ Mitte]

See, like, that's. That's. I just. I'm hoping. I'm. I'm trying to get. Let me get back on the show. And I'm definitely in talks on having my own podcast, but I just want to make sure whatever it is, it makes sense. And I've actually been talking to a local radio station about doing some radio for. For local community stuff, so you would do.

[Graham Stephan]

You would do very well as a podcaster. I'm just. I'm just saying with your reach, with. With the connections that you've built, these discussions are very interesting, and a lot of people don't get to hear them.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Jack]

So just motivation.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[RJ Mitte]

No, I. I'm. I'm in. I'm definitely in. Um, I just. It's. It's. It's. What's. It's timing for me, and I think that's kind of what. Why I was interested in doing this and Ian's. And I really want to. You know, I'm trying to get back out there more. I've. I've kind of been hiding for the past few years, just. Just in, like, my work and my philanthropy and. And I think it's finally time to. To set this up again.

[Graham Stephan]

Well, you're going to make some great cameos and Joshua Weissman's video. I don't know when.

[Jack]

Yeah, that's coming out.

[Graham Stephan]

Hilarious.

[Jack]

People are just not going to be.

[Graham Stephan]

Yeah, they're going to be like, wait a second.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah.

[Graham Stephan]

So, anyway, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. We'll link to all of your charities and everything you've Shouted out down below in the description.

[RJ Mitte]

Yeah, really, really, really. One thing that I, I love, I think that I did want to mention as far as like charity work and growth, the one thing that I can recommend to people about getting into philanthropy, you don't have to give money. Like, this is the number. Everyone always thinks it's like money, money, money, money. It's not. It's about your time and willing to volunteer and willing to put out there. And like, I think that's one thing as far as charity work with my charities, like, please support them, whatever. But there's, at the end of the day, it's what's important to you, like what directly impacts you. I look at one thing and it's called direct impact programming. And it's what do these programs directly do, who do they directly impact and how are they directly impacted? And when we do philanthropy and we do like organization or community growth, I want always remember to look at are you directly impacting the community that you want to serve? Serve. And that to me is most step number one when it comes to philanthropy. I love it.

[Jack]

Thank you very much.

[Graham Stephan]

Thank you.

[RJ Mitte]

Appreciate this.

[Jack]

Thank you to everyone for watching. Hope you enjoyed.

[Graham Stephan]

Make sure. Subscribe to him.

[Jack]

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[Ally Jackson]

If you're a podcast host, listen up. This one's for you. My name is Ally Jackson. I'm the host of Finding Mr. Height, a dating and relationship podcast that I've been doing for four years now, sharing my positive and practical approach to dating that's built on my own life experience. And I wanted to share another experience that I've had my secret behind monetizing my show. It's called Red Circle. And I was just telling my colleague about how much I love their platform. With Red Circle, not only am I getting a seamless hosting experience, but I also love the support I receive in ad sales. It's not just typical ad sales either. It's targeted opportunities based on my show and my life. And the platform is super simple. You just set your preferences and Red Circle matches you with sponsors that align with your your show. You can vet every opportunity and their platform gives you great analytics. More recently too, my Red Circle team has brought me opportunities outside of my podcast on social media to really augment the podcast partnerships. Bring them full circle. I just can't recommend them enough. If you want to give it a try, go to redcircle. Com to get your free trial. That's redcircle.com for a free trial.