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Robert Smith
Waylon, I hate to tell you, but we have a new competitor.
Waylon Wong
Don't tell me there's another short form nerdy business podcast out there.
Robert Smith
Even more concerning. You know how we do a show every time the Federal Reserve publishes the document known as the Beige Book where we highlight the best stories? Well, now the Fed is cutting out the middleman and becoming their own influencers.
Waylon Wong
Oh, no.
Robert Smith
Yeah. The Minneapolis district of the Fed is now doing a hip video version of their beige book entry. Listen to this. Our surveys for the latest Beige Book show hiring demand this week. And more firms are seeing their headcount shrink than grow.
Carl Bonham
There's bad news.
Waylon Wong
We even have that jaunty piano music like the cereal podcast. Are we toast? We're toast.
Robert Smith
We are going to have to up our game. We no longer have a monopoly on the beige book coverage.
Waylon Wong
We'll have to do today's episode with extra prizes and glitz and glamour.
Robert Smith
It's the Beige Awards, our eight times a year salute to the art and science of telling stories about the economy. I'm Robert Smith.
Waylon Wong
And I'm Waylon Wong. And how's this for glamorous? Today on the show, we are taking our listeners on an awesome expenses paid vacation to Hawaii.
Robert Smith
Technically, we're bringing your ears to Hawaii. Rest of your body not included.
Waylon Wong
The Beige Book highlights an economic mystery in the state. Unemployment is low, they have a huge demand for workers, and yet some parts of the economy are not in great shape.
Robert Smith
Trouble, as they say, in paradise.
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Robert Smith
It's always good to remind everyone how this awards show works. There are 12 regional banks in the Federal Reserve System. Each one studies their local economy and and brings back little stories of what they see. They publish them in the document known as the Beige Book, and we give awards to the best stories.
Waylon Wong
Our runner up this time is the Minneapolis Fed, not just for their new video version of the Beige book that we talked about at the beginning.
Robert Smith
We welcome the competition.
Waylon Wong
We do. Despite the mean thing I said about them earlier. The Minneapolis Fed had the best quote to prepare for 2026. Robert.
Robert Smith
So the Minneapolis Fed was talking about the weak labor market, and they talked to a contact in hiring who said, quote, more businesses were temporary or contract workers to stay flexible in uncertain times.
Waylon Wong
And we should note they're referring to economic uncertainty and not all the other uncertainty in the country right now.
Robert Smith
Good point.
Waylon Wong
And now time for the main award. The Beiji goes to the San Francisco Fed.
Robert Smith
Coming to the stages, getting a note here. San Francisco didn't make the ceremony.
Waylon Wong
Didn't think they were gonna win, huh?
Robert Smith
Guess not. We do have a backup plan, though, for when regional Federal Reserve banks are apparently too busy to accept the Beiji. We give it to a notable resident of the district to hold. And since the winning anecdote involves Hawaii, we're going to the islands, Waylon.
Waylon Wong
Ooh, we need a Hawaiian hero.
Robert Smith
You know, I googled that phrase, Hawaiian hero, and I came up with an organization called Uhero.
Carl Bonham
It stands for the University of Hawaii Economic Research Organization.
Robert Smith
Ah, so you're an economic hero.
Carl Bonham
That's the goal.
Robert Smith
Carl Bonham runs Uhero and is a professor at the University of Hawaii.
Waylon Wong
I feel like we're doing this interview solely because it is so cold in most of the US Right now. We just want to be transported to warmer climes.
Carl Bonham
It's arctic here, too, by our standards. I think in my bedroom right now it's about 71 degrees, which is quite chilly and very windy.
Robert Smith
Oh, nobody wants to hear that, Carl. 71 degrees. We're calling you up so that you can accept the Beijing Award on behalf of the San Francisco Fed.
Carl Bonham
Absolutely. Be my pleasure.
Waylon Wong
And the winning entry grabs our attention because it was so unusual. It Reads. In Hawaii, labor shortages impacted the harvest for macadamia nuts and coffee.
Robert Smith
And I did a little bit of research, and it's not just in agriculture. The unemployment rate for the state of Hawaii is just 2.2%. People are desperate for workers in farming, sure, but also in tourism, jobs and construction. What exactly is the issue, Carl, with hiring workers there?
Carl Bonham
We're all the way out here in the Pacific. When the economy starts adding jobs, workers aren't going to suddenly jump on a plane and flood our markets. Right. It's much more complicated. Labor's not as mobile. You could ask just about any business person in the state, and they'll tell you that one of their biggest challenges is finding skilled workers.
Robert Smith
Carl, I don't mean to econsplain supply and demand to you, but people may be listening to this and thinking, just pay more money. If you have a labor shortage, pay more.
Carl Bonham
Oh, exactly. And you're right. If our labor market was as tight as the unemployment rate suggests, you would certainly expect that wages would be going up faster than they are, and they're not.
Waylon Wong
Carl went on to explain that there are challenges facing businesses in Hawaii that make it hard to raise wages. Rising costs from inflation tariffs, insurance rates going up. And Hawaii is seeing its tourism industry struggle. People are still coming to the beaches of Waikiki, but they're spending less compared to previous decades.
Robert Smith
Maybe they're staying in a hotel, but they're not doing the $300 beach luhau with hula lessons.
Carl Bonham
Particularly when you've. When you've done it several times, right. Or you've done the sunset. You know, the sunset catamaran cruise or the whale cruise there.
Waylon Wong
The winning beige book entry specifically mentioned the challenges of getting workers on macadamia nut farms. So we decided to call up someone who runs one.
Robert Smith
Jeff Clark is the president of Hamakua Macadamia Nut Company, Although he calls them Mac Nuts.
Waylon Wong
Mac Nuts. I love it.
Jeff Clark
If I kept saying macadamia all day, we don't have time for all those syllables.
Robert Smith
So most Hawaiian Mac nuts are grown on the Big island of Hawaii, which, if you've ever been there, you know, is basically on the side of several volcanoes. Right. And so it's a good news, bad news situation for the nuts. I mean, the volcanic soil means a great tasting Mac.
Jeff Clark
It has a rich, buttery taste and texture that is unmatched by any other region.
Robert Smith
But growing anything on the sloped side of a volcano means it's really hard to harvest the Mac nuts.
Jeff Clark
Macadamia nuts, you actually get down on your knees and pick up nuts off of the ground.
Robert Smith
Wait, wait. Really? There's not a machine that does this for you?
Jeff Clark
A lot of the orchards that were planted in Hawaii were actually planted as far back as the 1960s. And so sometimes they were not planted on the most forgiving land, meaning, you know, the slope is too much for mechanical harvesting. And so many of the orchards in the state and on the big island are still hand harvested.
Waylon Wong
Okay, now I'm getting why the labor shortage is affecting the macadamias. Hand harvesting nuts in the hot sun on your hands and knees has got to be one of the hardest jobs in Hawaii.
Robert Smith
Jeff told us they do bring in immigrant labor on a legal visa. They pay around $20 an hour, but they also have to build housing for the workers because real estate so pricey in Hawaii.
Waylon Wong
And I imagine they're competing for the macadamia nut market with places where they grow it much cheaper.
Robert Smith
The solution they're looking at now on the big island is to try to start to replant some of those old macadamia trees on flatter ground where they can finally use harvesting equipment.
Jeff Clark
We cannot afford to hand harvest macadamia nuts anymore. We really need to move towards mechanization.
Robert Smith
It just takes a long time to grow new trees and to get them Mac nutting properly.
Waylon Wong
Mac nutting. You turn it into a verb.
Robert Smith
I'm doing it.
Waylon Wong
Well, maybe with a cool term like that, you can get the tourists in to help, like pick your own macadamia.
Robert Smith
Nuts for a price. Sure, sure. Congratulations again to the San Francisco fed for alerting us to the interesting labor situation on the islands. And thanks to University of Hawaii professor Carl Bonham for accepting the award. I noticed, Carl, that even when we're talking to the most serious economists in Hawaii, they still all wear the colorful Hawaiian shirts.
Carl Bonham
Everyone does it when we hire new faculty. It takes them a little while to get the hang of it right. And they, they stick out a little bit when they're, you know, wearing their, their golf shirts or whatever, their button regular button down shirts. But they adapt within a few years.
Robert Smith
I'm wearing long underwear right now in New York City, so must be nice.
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Date: January 29, 2026
Hosts: Robert Smith & Waylon Wong
This lighthearted yet incisive episode uses the occasion of the “Beige Awards”—The Indicator’s tongue-in-cheek celebration of the Federal Reserve’s Beige Book reports—to dig into an economic mystery in Hawaii. The state is experiencing both record-low unemployment and acute worker shortages—especially poignant in the macadamia nut and coffee harvests—even as other sectors such as tourism and construction are under strain. The conversation brings in perspectives from local experts and business owners, illuminating the complex forces behind Hawaii’s labor conundrum.
“More businesses were [using] temporary or contract workers to stay flexible in uncertain times.”
— Minneapolis Fed Beige Book [03:45]
“When the economy starts adding jobs, workers aren’t going to suddenly jump on a plane and flood our markets. Right. It’s much more complicated. Labor’s not as mobile.”
— Carl Bonham [05:54]
“If our labor market was as tight as the unemployment rate suggests, you would certainly expect that wages would be going up faster than they are, and they’re not.”
— Carl Bonham [06:24]
“Macadamia nuts, you actually get down on your knees and pick up nuts off the ground.”
— Jeff Clark [07:58]
“We cannot afford to hand harvest macadamia nuts anymore. We really need to move towards mechanization.”
— Jeff Clark [09:06]
“I notice, Carl, that even when we’re talking to the most serious economists in Hawaii, they still all wear the colorful Hawaiian shirts.”
— Robert Smith [09:50]
On Hawaii’s isolation:
“We’re all the way out here in the Pacific. When the economy starts adding jobs, workers aren't going to suddenly jump on a plane and flood our markets.”
— Carl Bonham [05:54]
On harvesting Mac Nuts:
“If I kept saying macadamia all day, we don’t have time for all those syllables.”
— Jeff Clark [07:25]
Host banter:
“Technically, we’re bringing your ears to Hawaii. Rest of your body not included.”
— Robert Smith [01:23]
On the difficult work of nut picking:
“Hand harvesting nuts in the hot sun on your hands and knees has got to be one of the hardest jobs in Hawaii.”
— Waylon Wong [08:30]
“Hawaii’s worker shortage goes NUTS” turns an obscure Beige Book anecdote into a revealing look at the intersection of geography, tradition, economics, and community on the islands. From unique harvesting challenges to systemic pressures on wages and mobility, the episode peels back the layers behind a “paradise” labor market that is anything but simple. All is handled with the show’s signature blend of wit, insight, and a dash of vacation envy.