What's this about a crypto reserve?

Summary

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Introduction

In the March 20, 2025 episode of The Indicator from Planet Money, hosts Jeff Guo and Paddy Hirsch delve into President Donald Trump's recent executive order to establish a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and Digital Asset Stockpile. This bold move has stirred significant interest and confusion within the cryptocurrency community and the broader economic landscape. The episode unpacks the motivations behind the order, examines its potential implications, and features insights from experts to understand the true impact of this governmental pivot towards digital assets.

Trump’s Executive Order: Creating a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve

The episode opens with Paddy Hirsch outlining President Trump's executive order aimed at making the United States the "world capital of crypto" under his leadership. The order focuses on creating a reserve that would hold all cryptocurrency the U.S. currently possesses or acquires in the future.

Paddy Hirsch [00:47]: "Still, the creation of the reserve has raised a lot of questions. Why did President Trump create this reserve? Does the US need one? Who benefits? Where's the money coming from? And of course, what could possibly go wrong?"

This initiative marks a significant shift in governmental policy, signaling a deeper engagement with digital assets than previously seen.

Government's Current Crypto Holdings

Jeff Guo provides context on the government’s existing crypto assets, primarily acquired through law enforcement seizures.

Paddy Hirsch [03:17]: "There's quite a lot of bitcoin that we've confiscated, maybe as much as $17 billion worth."

The government has amassed substantial cryptocurrency holdings, including Bitcoin and other digital assets, which have been treated similarly to physical assets like yachts and cars—historically, these have been auctioned off. However, the new order suggests a departure from this practice, opting instead to hold and manage these assets centrally.

The Crypto Community's Reaction and Expectations

Crypto enthusiasts had high hopes that the executive order would lead to active government support, including government purchases of crypto and potential tax exemptions on crypto gains. However, as the discussion reveals, these expectations have not been met.

Jeff Guo [02:54]: "The US Government turning into a bitcoin bro."

The initial excitement has been tempered by uncertainties about the government's actual commitment to supporting and integrating cryptocurrency into its financial strategies.

Potential Risks of a Government Crypto Reserve

The hosts and experts discuss several risks associated with establishing a government-held crypto reserve.

1. Limited Supply and Monetization Challenges

Ishwar Prasad, a professor at Cornell University, highlights the inherent limitations of Bitcoin's supply.

Ishwar Prasad [05:09]: "The supply of bitcoin, it turns out, is limited. There are going to be ultimately only 21 million bitcoins, of which about 19 million plus have been created already."

The capped supply means that if the government holds a significant portion, it could inadvertently restrict the market's ability to monetize these assets without causing substantial price volatility.

Ishwar Prasad [05:38]: "If the US Government were to actually try to sell any of its crypto holdings, that would cause market turmoil."

2. Market Manipulation and Conflicts of Interest

James Brawl from the Virginia Institute for Public Policy raises concerns about potential conflicts of interest and market manipulation.

James Brawl [06:15]: "There's a risk of conflicts of interest. There's a potential just appearance of corruption."

The involvement of individuals with close ties to the crypto industry in advisory roles further exacerbates these concerns, suggesting possible biases in how the reserve is managed.

3. Taxpayer Risk

The episode draws attention to the financial risks imposed on taxpayers, especially if the government decides to purchase more crypto assets in the future.

Ishwar Prasad [07:27]: "Certainly require taxpayer money, which in principle would also require congressional authorization."

The uncertainty surrounding future purchases means that taxpayer funds could be at stake without clear regulatory oversight.

Expert Opinions

The episode features valuable insights from experts Ishwar Prasad and James Brawl, who provide a nuanced perspective on the implications of the crypto reserve.

• Ishwar Prasad's Perspective

Prasad questions the strategic necessity of a crypto reserve, comparing it to traditional reserves like oil and gold.

Ishwar Prasad [08:16]: "Bitcoin is just behaving like a risky asset, like equities, except it is much riskier and therefore much more volatile in price."

He emphasizes that Bitcoin's volatility undermines its suitability as a strategic reserve, unlike oil or gold, which serve clear economic functions.

• James Brawl's Analysis

Brawl draws parallels between the proposed crypto reserve and the concept of a Sovereign Wealth Fund.

James Brawl [09:50]: "There's potentially billions of dollars worth of value here. And if that were sufficiently independent from the President, and if it was set up in a more independent fashion, like the Federal Reserve is a good example, then I think that you're moving more in the direction of what a reasonable sovereign wealth fund structure might look like."

However, he critiques the current approach, noting that the reserve's focus solely on crypto assets lacks clear strategic objectives.

Comparing Crypto Reserves to Traditional Reserves

The discussion compares the proposed crypto reserve to existing reserves of oil and gold, underscoring fundamental differences in their roles and stability.

• Oil Reserves

Oil reserves are maintained to ensure economic stability and security, preventing disruptions from supply shortages.

Ishwar Prasad [08:03]: "There are reserves of oil where there is actually a strategic purpose, because one wants to make sure that the US Economy is not derailed because of limited supply of oil and the spike in prices."

• Gold Reserves

Gold has long been considered a safe-haven asset, serving as a hedge against inflation and economic uncertainty.

Ishwar Prasad [08:20]: "Gold is a long standing safe haven asset. It is seen as something that is going to keep its price and could potentially serve as a hedge against inflation and so on."

In contrast, Bitcoin's volatility and lack of a clear economic role make it a less suitable candidate for a strategic reserve.

Future Implications and Considerations

The hosts explore the long-term implications of holding a government-controlled crypto reserve, questioning its necessity and strategic value.

Ishwar Prasad [09:01]: "It's not obvious that such a strategic reserve really has a strategic purpose to it, rather than a purpose of basically boosting crypto and enriching the holders and promoters of crypto."

While there is potential financial gain from holding significant crypto assets, the lack of clear strategic benefits and the associated risks present substantial challenges.

Conclusion

The episode concludes with an acknowledgment that while the U.S. government holds a considerable amount of cryptocurrency, the creation of a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve raises more questions than answers. Experts argue that the volatile nature of crypto assets like Bitcoin, combined with potential conflicts of interest and taxpayer risks, undermine the viability of such a reserve. Comparisons to traditional reserves of oil and gold further highlight the incongruity of integrating highly volatile digital assets into national economic strategies. As the government navigates this uncharted territory, the broader implications for the crypto market and economic stability remain uncertain.

Notable Quotes

• Paddy Hirsch [00:47]: "Why did President Trump create this reserve? Does the US need one? Who benefits? Where's the money coming from? And of course, what could possibly go wrong?"
• Ishwar Prasad [05:09]: "The supply of bitcoin, it turns out, is limited. There are going to be ultimately only 21 million bitcoins, of which about 19 million plus have been created already."
• James Brawl [09:50]: "If that were sufficiently independent from the President, and if it was set up in a more independent fashion, like the Federal Reserve is a good example, then I think that you're moving more in the direction of what a reasonable sovereign wealth fund structure might look like."

Final Thoughts

This episode of The Indicator from Planet Money provides a comprehensive exploration of the U.S. government's foray into cryptocurrency management. By dissecting the executive order, assessing expert opinions, and comparing crypto reserves to traditional assets, the hosts offer listeners a thorough understanding of the potential benefits and pitfalls of government involvement in digital assets. As the crypto landscape evolves, such discussions are crucial for gauging the future intersection of government policy and emerging financial technologies.

Transcript

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[Jeff Guo]

This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Jeff Guo.

[Paddy Hirsch]

And I'm Paddy Hirsch. President Trump's executive order earlier this month to create a strategic bitcoin reserve and digital asset stockpile made the crypto communities pulse jump. The crypto summit that followed, however, was something of a letdown. And two weeks on, the world is wondering, what was all that crypto kerfuffle all about?

[Jeff Guo]

Crypto evangelists had been hoping to hear that the government would be fully committed to supporting and buying crypto, and that crypto gains would be exempted from taxes. Now, on the surface, it doesn't seem like either of those things is going to happen.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Still, the creation of the reserve has raised a lot of questions. Why did President Trump create this reserve? Does the US need one? Who benefits? Where's the money coming from? And of course, what could possibly go wrong? The answer to all of these questions and more coming up after the break.

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[Jeff Guo]

Learn [e-mail] hrmatters earlier this month, President Trump announced the executive order to create the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and Digital Asset Stockpile. Here he is signing it to make.

[Paddy Hirsch]

America the world capital and crypto under your leadership, which is really going up, right?

[James Brawl]

Absolutely.

[Paddy Hirsch]

And by creating this reserve, Trump's making good on a campaign promise when he pledged to hold on to all of the bitcoin that the US Holds or acquires in the future.

[Jeff Guo]

Yeah, this is like The US Government turning into a bitcoin bro.

[Paddy Hirsch]

The US Government is a bitcoin bro, big time. James Brole is a senior fellow at the Virginia Institute for Public Policy.

[James Brawl]

The government possesses a lot of bitcoin in particular, and some other cryptocurrencies as having, through law enforcement efforts, basically confiscated maybe even billions, billions of dollars of cryptocurrency.

[Jeff Guo]

And so right now, the plan is not actually to buy crypto, it's actually just to hold on to all of the crypto that apparently we have confiscated.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Yeah, we're not buying any yet. And there is quite a lot of bitcoin that we've confiscated, maybe as much as $17 billion worth. It's quite a whole. Right. Netted over the years in seizures by federal law enforcement, alongside the usual assets you might expect cops to net from criminal sting operations. You know, the yacht, the Lamborghini, the bitcoin wallet.

[Jeff Guo]

And it's not just bitcoin either. The feds have seized all kinds of crypto assets in the past. They've dealt with them the way that they've dealt with the yachts and the cars and all the other stuff that they seize. They just auction them off. But now they're saying maybe they shouldn't do that with crypto.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Yeah, maybe not, because the government sold, for example, 500 seized Bitcoin in 2018 for about $5 million. But if it had held onto it, those coins would have been worth more than 40 million the time we recorded this. So God knows what it's worth when you're listening to it. And you can see why Trump, who is on record saying, you should never sell your bitcoin, you could see why he might want to put a stop to that. So he's put a working group on the case.

[James Brawl]

And so one of the tasks of this working group is to identify a number and where all this crypto is. So if there is some kind of reserve, it could just be bringing it together in one central location. So it's housed in the same place.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Sounds reasonable.

[James Brawl]

On the face of it, it sounds reasonable, but it's very unclear. I mean, there's obviously a lot of risks with something like this.

[Jeff Guo]

Risks, yeah. Paddy, we should talk about these risks.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Yeah. Well, of course, the first risk is with the currencies themselves. I mean, take bitcoin, for example.

[Ishwar Prasad]

Everything depends on whether the price rises.

[Paddy Hirsch]

This is Ishwar Prasad. He's a professor at Cornell University and the author of the Future of Money. He says one of the unique things about bitcoin is that only a certain number ever be made.

[Ishwar Prasad]

The supply of bitcoin, it turns out, is limited. There are going to be ultimately only 21 million bitcoins, of which about 19 million plus have been created already.

[Jeff Guo]

And this is one of the big selling points of bitcoin. And Eswar says, you know, we've pretty much made all of that already.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Yeah. And he says this ceiling on the supply of bitcoin means that if the government becomes a big holder of it, even if the price goes up, it becomes very difficult for it to sell. And that's not the case for smallholders.

[Ishwar Prasad]

They, of course, can sell it because they'd be selling relatively small quantities, which won't affect the price. But if the US Government were to actually try to sell any of its crypto holdings, that would cause market turmoil.

[Paddy Hirsch]

In other words, there's a risk that we would be building a substantial reserve of a highly valued asset that we might not be able to monetize.

[Jeff Guo]

But Eswar says there are also more profound risks. He points out that the active involvement of a huge player like the US Government wouldn't just legitimize crypto assets in the eyes of the public. It could also move markets. In fact, it already has. James Brawl says it's not a good look.

[James Brawl]

There's a risk of conflicts of interest. There's a potential just appearance of corruption. When you have people like David Sachs is the main crypto advisor to the president, and he's got close connections to the crypto industries. You don't want to create the impression that they're benefiting or getting rich off some of these market movements.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Yeah. Trump himself could be at risk here. He issued a meme coin ahead of his inauguration, and he's named five currencies that would be included in this reserve. Bitcoin and ether are the ones that most people have heard of. But he also named three others that are less well known. Xrp, Ada and Solana. Ishwar Prasad says this illustrates the problem perfectly.

[Ishwar Prasad]

Solana is the blockchain on which Trump decided to issue the Trump meme coin. So increasing the value of the native token of that blockchain would potentially either directly or indirectly benefit Trump and his inner circle. So there are rampant conflicts of interest here.

[Jeff Guo]

And the final risk that Eswar identifies is to the taxpayer, because right now, the government apparently is not planning to buy up a lot of crypto.

[Paddy Hirsch]

But if you read the order closely, as I did, you'll see that the language does leave the door open. And we could see the government buying crypto assets in the future, that would.

[Ishwar Prasad]

Certainly require taxpayer money, which in principle would also require congressional authorization. In the present climate, though, it's hard to see the President being denied very much of what he wants by this U.S. congress. So it will certainly involve some taxpayer money being put at risk.

[Jeff Guo]

The argument that President Trump is making is that we should harness the power of digital assets. But what does that actually mean? And what does a reserve of crypto actually do for us?

[Ishwar Prasad]

There are reserves of oil where there is actually a strategic purpose, because one wants to make sure that the US Economy is not derailed because of limited supply of oil and the spike in prices.

[Paddy Hirsch]

I guess another type of reserve that we have in the US Is gold.

[Ishwar Prasad]

Gold is a long standing safe haven asset. It is seen as something that is going to keep its price and could potentially serve as a hedge against inflation and so on. So one might say, if you're going to have a gold reserve in Fort Knox, why not have a Bitcoin reserve as well? There were notions that perhaps Bitcoin could serve a similar role. But what we've seen is that Bitcoin is just behaving like a risky asset, like equities, except it is much riskier and therefore much more volatile in price.

[Jeff Guo]

Right. And the question right now is, is crypto one of those things that we need? And iswa, he doesn't think so.

[Ishwar Prasad]

It's not obvious that such a strategic reserve really has a strategic purpose to it, rather than a purpose of basically boosting crypto and enriching the holders and promoters of crypto.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Now, all of this said Eswar and James aren't totally against the idea of leveraging an asset that the US Government has managed to acquire without spending a single dime.

[James Brawl]

There is a lot, potentially a lot of money for the government to make, especially if they're holding on to these tokens anyway.

[Jeff Guo]

And if you squint, this crypto reserve kind of starts to look like one of Trump's other ideas, the US Sovereign wealth fund. Now, we spoke to James BRL about that concept a few months ago. We'll link to that show in the show notes, and here's what he thinks about where crypto might fit into that idea.

[James Brawl]

There's potentially billions of dollars worth of value here. And if that were sufficiently independent from the President, and if it was set up in a more independent fashion, like the Federal Reserve is a good example, then I think that you're moving more in the direction of what a reasonable sovereign wealth fund structure might look like.

[Paddy Hirsch]

Yeah, in the direction right. But a true sovereign wealth fund would invest in assets that benefit Americans for the benefit of Americans, james says. And the way that it looks right now, this reserve is entirely based on crypto. It's not clear exactly what it is, or frankly, what its function is supposed to be.

[Jeff Guo]

This episode was produced by Lily Quiros with engineering by Jimmy Keeley. It's fact checked by Sarah Juarez. Kate Concannon is our show's editor and and the indicator is a production of NPR.

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