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Episode: Who’s Buying All the Beef?
Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Darian Woods, Waylon Wong
Guest: Marcelo Savelli (Manager, El Gauchito Butcher), Wendy Cutler (Senior Vice President, Asia Society Policy Institute)

Episode Overview

This episode explores what it really means when political leaders announce big international purchases or investments—specifically digging into the recent news that the US will import more beef from Argentina. The hosts unravel common misunderstandings about international trade deals, clarify who actually "buys the beef," and extend the analysis to large foreign investment pledges from countries like Japan, South Korea, and China.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Decoding the US-Argentina Beef Deal

• Context:
  President Trump spoke about increasing US imports of Argentine beef, promising to "buy some beef from Argentina," sparking listener questions about what this actually means.
  (00:15–00:41)

• Listener Question:
  Sebastian Sanchez in Massachusetts, who grew up in Argentina, asks, “How does the US Government actually do this?” (00:41)

• Host Clarification:

  • The US government is not directly buying or stockpiling beef for federal ballrooms, nor forcing butchers to buy Argentine beef.
  • Instead, it’s about lifting quota limits—making it cheaper for private importers to source beef from Argentina.
    (01:26, 04:07)

  Quote:

  "Basically, the US Government is promising to lift a quota on Argentine beef...And by raising that quota significantly, it'll be cheaper for businesses like El Gauchito to buy more beef."
  — Darian Woods (04:07)

• Butcher's Perspective:
  Marcelo Savelli, manager at El Gauchito in NYC, showcases signature Argentine beef cuts, explaining what sets them apart:

  "This is the picanha... flap steak and the matambre, which is the roast beef that we usually put on the grill." — Marcelo Savelli (03:11)

  He notes cattle are grass-fed initially but finished with grain for size:

  "Initially, it's not fully 100% grass fed. At the end, they grain feed it to make it a little bigger because the cows are much smaller in Argentina."
  — Marcelo Savelli (03:53)

  He’s supportive but not certain about how the deal changes things:

  "Yeah, why not?" (re: selling more Argentine beef) (04:06)

• Host Takeaways:
  The announcement is really a message simplification. It's still American businesses privately buying; the government changes the rules, not the buyers.
  (04:45)

  Quote:

  “Those political lines about we’re buying the beef really just message simplification.”
  — Waylon Wong (04:45)

2. How State-Led Economies Structure Trade (China Example)

• Comparison with China:
  In countries with state-run enterprises (like China), government control means direct coordination on imports. For instance, state companies buy (or stop buying) US soybeans when instructed.
  (04:53)

  Quote:

  “State owned companies like Sinograin and Cofco import almost all the soybeans. And if the Chinese government wants to put pressure on the US, Xi Jinping can tell these companies to buy from Brazil rather than the U.S.”
  — Darian Woods (05:06)

  The dynamic is less about market forces, more about direct government orders.

3. Foreign Investment Pledges: What Do They Really Mean?

• Listener Question:
  Claire LeCornu asks about “countries committing to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in the US” following high-profile summits. (05:51–05:59)

• Expert Interview with Wendy Cutler:
  Wendy Cutler, trade negotiator, explains two main mechanisms behind foreign investment announcements:

  • Private Company Commitments:
    Governments persuade national champions (like HD Hyundai) to make public pledges to invest in the US—sometimes plans they had anyway, but timed for political impact. (07:09)

    "The conversation would go along the lines of...The United States has made it clear that they want pledges of increased foreign direct investment in the United States. Hyundai, can I count on you to pony up X billion dollars and announce a new plant in the United States?"
    — Wendy Cutler (07:09)

  • Motivations:
    Pledges can curry favor with political leaders. But they’re not binding—companies often issue press releases rather than commit in contractual terms.

    "Frankly, some of the companies that are pledging view these as pledges...maybe some of them are hoping that...there’ll be a new administration that won’t really care about these pledges."
    — Wendy Cutler (08:13)

  • Joint Investment Funds:
    Some deals now involve joint US-foreign funds, administered by government agencies from both countries, to target investment in specific US sectors.

    "There’s now a specific fund jointly overseen by US and Japanese government agencies...Japan channels both private and public money into areas like energy, semiconductors or shipbuilding."
    — Darian Woods (08:47)

• Skepticism:
  Wendy advises skepticism—pledges are not always followed by real investment over time:

  “I think it’s easy to make a pledge and it’s easy to come up with big numbers. But time will tell if these investments actually materialize. Many will, but I suspect some won’t.”
  — Wendy Cutler (09:11)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I grew up in Argentina and always miss Argentine beef as it is a staple of Argentine barbecue, Asado...”
  — Sebastian Sanchez (00:41)

• “So does that mean the new White House ballroom is going to have a giant freezer of these prized cuts?”
  — Darian Woods (00:58)

• “Argentine beef has this distinctive taste. It's different to American beef, but ... it's not for everybody.”
  — Marcelo Savelli (03:44)

• “For deals with countries where the state is more hands on, like China, it might involve the government directing state owned enterprises to buy goods like soybeans.”
  — Waylon Wong (09:24)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:15: Introduction to the beef import topic
• 00:41: Listener question about US importing Argentine beef
• 02:51: Visit with Marcelo at El Gauchito butcher
• 04:07: Explanation—lifting quotas isn’t direct government purchasing
• 05:06: Example of state-orchestrated imports (China and soybeans)
• 06:17: Listener question on foreign investment pledges
• 07:09: Wendy Cutler explains government-company coordination
• 08:47: Joint US-foreign investment fund mechanism
• 09:11: Skepticism about the reality behind big investment numbers
• 09:24: Recap—how different countries structure spending in trade deals

Episode Takeaways

• When politicians say “we’re buying beef” from another country, it usually means opening market access for private industry—not literal government purchasing.
• In state-run economies, governments direct trade; in the US context, changes are about tariff and quota rules to incentivize private action.
• Big foreign investment pledges are typically either voluntary company announcements (possibly for publicity) or joint funds with some state involvement. These should be viewed critically, as the realized investments often trail initial headlines.

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