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Episode: Will Trump’s shipping insurance plan work?

Date: March 10, 2026
Hosts: Darian Woods & Paddy Hirsch
Guests: Rachel Siemba (Fellow, Center for a New American Security), Maximilian Hess (Political Risk Consultant, En Metana Advisory)

Overview

This episode tackles President Trump’s proposed solution to a global shipping crisis in the Persian Gulf, where more than a thousand cargo vessels are stuck due to security risks and soaring insurance premiums caused by war with Iran. The focus is on why “war insurance” has become a central player in this crisis, Trump's offer to provide US-backed reinsurance via the DFC (Development Finance Corporation), and the practical shortcomings and uncertainties surrounding this plan, with expert input on its feasibility and the broader risks at play.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Persian Gulf Shipping Crisis (00:16 – 01:53)

• Scale of the Disruption:
  Over a thousand ships, including oil and gas tankers, are gridlocked west of the Strait of Hormuz, a vital trade route, due to the ongoing conflict with Iran.

  “I would describe it as a parking lot, as pathways that are frozen.”
  — Rachel Siemba, 01:24

• Insurance as a Bottleneck:
  Regular insurance excludes war-related risks; political (war) risk insurance is required but prohibitively expensive, compounding shipping paralysis.

2. War Insurance: Costs & Impact (01:54 – 03:50)

• War Insurance Skyrockets:
  Normally a minor percentage, insurance costs now hit double-digit percentages of cargo value.

  “Here we are very likely talking about double digit percentage points as a minimum.”
  — Maximilian Hess, 02:31

• Concrete Example:
  A $100M oil tanker’s war insurance jumped from $250,000 to at least $1 million for a single transit through the strait. (02:47–03:03)

• Illicit Shipping Continues:
  Only ships already operating “off the books” without insurance are risking passage.

  “Many of the vessels that are still transiting the straits are ones involved in illicit shadow trade… using evasive techniques… to evade sanctions.”
  — Rachel Siemba, 03:29

3. Trump’s Proposal: U.S. Backed Insurance (04:11 – 06:23)

• DFC’s Role:
  The Trump administration offers to have the US International Development Finance Corporation (DFC) provide up to $20 billion in reinsurance to support private insurers.

  “President Trump has offered to have what is called the DFC provide this kind of insurance.”
  — Maximilian Hess, 04:23

• DFC Background:
  Traditionally backs overseas development deals, not insurance risk, but has taken similar (smaller) steps during the war in Ukraine.

• Uncertainties:
  Coverage details remain murky—how much risk will $20B actually cover, at what price, and who will ultimately decide the rates? Insurance companies, not the government, will set premiums, and could keep them high.

  “I don’t think that the administration has a clear process in place for figuring out exactly what rates that it would charge.”
  — Maximilian Hess, 05:51

• Scope Limitations:
  DFC coverage excludes crew and environmental damage (e.g., oil spills), which can represent massive liabilities.

  “That can run up to a billion dollars per ship in insurance capacity limit because oil spills can be very damaging.”
  — Maximilian Hess, 06:23

4. Feasibility & Implementation Questions (06:23 – 07:58)

• Capacity and Experience Gaps:
  DFC is not an insurance expert and may lack the infrastructure for rapid, large-scale policy deployment.

  “Ben Black, the head of DFC and Treasury Secretary Bessant talk about having financial measures in the market in a couple of days. That sounds optimistic.”
  — Rachel Siemba, 07:03

• Industry Skepticism:
  Insurance professionals are highly detail-oriented, and the incomplete details could impede adoption.

  “The devil’s always in the details, but I would be looking particularly closely at these contracts.”
  — Rachel Siemba, 07:36

5. The Role of Security & Military Protection (07:58 – 08:46)

• Security Trumps Insurance:
  The greatest determinant of insurance costs is the perceived safety of transit; if the U.S. military can secure the strait, premiums drop and shipping resumes.

• Emerging Risks—Drones:
  Iran’s potential for deploying cheap naval drones presents a new, unpredictable threat.

  “Something we haven’t seen yet is the Iranians really successfully deploy naval drones… and that may very well prove to be a key part of this aspect as well.”
  — Maximilian Hess, 08:21

6. Conclusion: Insurance is Only Half the Battle (08:46 – 08:59)

• Insurance Alone Insufficient:
  The insurance solution can only work if the underlying physical risks are also managed.

  “Insurance is only part of the solution. In other words, it can only work when the strait is seen to be relatively safe.”
  — Paddy Hirsch, 08:46

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Why the world’s most boring financial product has turned into a trade terrorist hijacking the market in oil…”
  — Darian Woods, 00:37

• “Max says 20 billion is nothing to scoff at. It could offer some cover for any American insurance companies that are willing to take on the risk…”
  — Paddy Hirsch, 05:23

• “DFC has basically said, we're open. Call us and we'll talk about what we can do.”
  — Rachel Siemba, 07:03

• “Gray suits and steely eyes. You know, the kind that read the liability notice on their Instagram update from top to bottom every time.”
  — Paddy Hirsch, 07:27

Key Timestamps

• 00:16 – Overview of the Persian Gulf crisis
• 01:24 – Rachel Siemba compares the Gulf to a “parking lot”
• 02:31 – Maximilian Hess on the surge in war insurance costs
• 03:29 – Illicit shipping and evasion tactics
• 04:23 – Trump’s DFC insurance proposal explained
• 05:51 – Unclear pricing and process for new insurance
• 06:23 – Crucial exclusions: crew and environmental liability
• 07:03 – Rachel Siemba on DFC readiness and optimism
• 08:21 – Maximilian Hess warns of naval drone risk
• 08:46 – Insurance isn’t a substitute for real security

Summary

This concise, insight-rich episode of The Indicator deftly unpacks how the international shipping gridlock in the Persian Gulf is as much about insurance as about war itself. Trump’s DFC-backed plan offers a creative, yet untested, way to restart the flow of goods and stabilize oil prices. However, thorny issues—from incomplete coverage to logistical and security gaps—suggest that without broader safety guarantees, insurance alone can't untangle one of the world’s most complex trade crises.