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The Influence Factor by The Influencer Marketing Factory
The New Era of Sports Engagement w/ Will Carafello (NY Mets)
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Social media really does take down the barriers. It allows fans to get closer to the game. It lets them see their favorite athletes both on and off the court.
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Hey, Will, welcome to the show. How are you?
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A
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me.
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B
Absolutely. Today is going to be, you know, an interesting episode. We have been already cover sports and athletes in the past, but this time, you know, we can go a bit more granular when it comes to, you know, the specifics, especially when it comes to like, you know, teams and matches and everything that is going on. Like, you know, social media, media and sports is definitely something more predominant these days. So really want to learn, you know, from you on that. But before we get started, we usually ask our guests to present themselves using the map that basically is dividing three different, like, you know, items. Basically the mission. Right. So what do you do, like, you know, and, and what do you aim to achieve with your work achievements? Anything that you're like, you know, you are very proud of in your either life or, you know, career. And the last one is the purpose. So why do you do what you do?
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So I oversee the social media content for New York Mets. That basically means the day to day making sure that we have new, fresh content out across all of our channels. You know, I think one of the things I'm most proud of is our team. We have a really great team that, you know, pushes the boundaries of social media. We're always trying to improve and get better. One of the things I'm personally proud of is I did run the New York City Marathon last year. So from, from the couch to the marathon, I ended up losing £50. And it was just a, you know, a personal thing that I challenged, I took on and was pleased with and then give me the, I'm sorry, give me the last two.
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B
The last one is the purpose. So why do you do what you do?
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A
You know, I'm a lifelong sports fan. I grew up a Mets fan. I feel very blessed and you know, I feel like I have a great opportunity to be able to connect the Mets fans with the team. So, so, you know, here in with the team, we have a, a great responsibility to our fans and provide them with awesome access and really cool content. So, you know, I was a fan once and now I have the privilege to be able to give the Mets fans the opportunity to see behind the scenes.
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B
Amazing. First of all, you know, congratulations on the marathon. It's definitely something there. So that's, that's a great one. And yeah, tell me a bit More. Right. Like, as you said, like, you know, being a sport fan. Right. Going from, like someone may be watching them to be actually the one managing the content. Right. So tell me a bit more about your career journey in marketing, specifically when it comes to, like, this emphasis on sports.
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Yeah, so I actually started out at Madison Square Garden. I was an intern there. Spent 16 months as an intern. I, I, I wouldn't, I couldn't get out of that place. I, I loved being there. You know, it was just tremendous vibe to that building, you know, great history. I was in the group sales department there. Then I left and went to Newark Bears, which is my early baseball team. You know, got a chance to, to learn a little bit. And minor league baseball, you do everything. So it was really a great opportunity for me to, you know, see the inner workings of the organization, especially early on in my career. Ultimately came back to the Garden, worked in the marketing department there. That's where I knew I really wanted to be. I started out in group sales and then was doing marketing for Sports Properties, which handles all of the sporting events that come into the building that are not team sports. So no Knicks, no Rangers, and then bounced around a little bit, went to the Harlan Globetrotters. So I got a chance to travel North America with the Globetrotters and do some marketing for, for them, and then ultimately came back to New Jersey, where I grew up. Worked at Giant Stadium and Continental Airlines arena in marketing marketing. The events there. Bounced over to Prudential center when that building first opened. So I got a chance to be a part of the, the launch of that building. And during my time there, I switched from the building side to the team side, going in and being director of marketing for the New Jersey Devils. And that's really where I got my start in social media. We had a very progressive president and he was looking to save some money on our marketing spend and really felt like social media was a great way for us to connect with our fans. So jumped in, had a lot of success. Over at the Devils, we went from one of the least engaged teams and social media to the most engaged team in a year's time. So, and then probably, you know, a year or so after that, the Mets were looking to hire the first person with the word social media in their title for the team. So came over here and just celebrated my 12th year with the team.
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B
And, you know, since you were saying, like, you know, from the least engaged right to the most, number one most engaged, right, like on social media, I'm curious, what are some of the, you know, either factors or formats. Like how do you go from like not being engaged on social media when it comes to sports, right to well, have you identified certain type of formats? Is it like, again, how do you bring something like a team, right, that maybe doesn't have that much engagement, Social media to be the number one?
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It's a good question because there's a lot of things that are very simple that we started to do that changed the tide for us. One, we started to respond and interact with fans. The fact that fans knew that, you know, somebody was behind the keyboard more or less that, oh, you know, like, if I reach out to the Devils, they're going to reach back out to me or they're going to stay connected with me. If I post something, they're going to like it. So you're just. That community management was, was a major key factor. We also started to be more human. We started to use more humorous copy. We started to have a little more fun with things. And then we also paid attention to the content that we were producing. We would see if, you know, this type of content does better than another piece of content. We should try to double down on that. So, yeah, there's some very easy things that we started to implement that really changed tie for us. And I'll admit that was very early on in the world of social media. So we didn't have all of the fun stuff that we have today with the vertical videos and TikTok and that kind of stuff. But yeah, we started to implement very simple things and started to pay attention a little bit more and that really helped us out.
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B
And you know, in addition to, right. The social media landscape evolving, also the, you know, also the type of relationship and the type of, like, I'd say commitment, right. From also athletes themselves to social media changed a lot. Right before athletes were, I'm going to do like my, my all like, you know, things that is basically play the sports, been there for, you know, for, for my audience and for my team, but that's about it. And then in the years there have been, you know, also been this personality, right. Like, you know, in front of the camera, not only on the field, but also maybe during their personal lives and, you know, like inspirational moments and so on. And because of that, now, you know, we see like an increase, right, of partnership, right between content creators, you know, and maybe influencers that are like fan of the team. Right. And so on. So like, how did it change, you know, in the past years? Like, have you identified anything specific that you are, you know, look at really closely when it comes to, again, athletes as influencers that are able to communicate not only about their sports, but also about, like, you know, anything else going on in their lives.
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Yeah, no, we've definitely seen it more and more with our team as well as, you know, athletes everywhere and especially in college sports as well. You know, social media really does take down the barriers. It allows fans to get closer to the game. It lets them see their favorite athletes both on and off the court or field in our, in our case. But, yeah, I mean, I think, you know, that has drastically changed. I think the, the flexibility and the availability of the platforms now make it very easy for athletes to pull out their phone and create content and share that content. I think, you know, TikTok probably changed the world a little bit for all of us from, from a content creation standpoint of that, we're okay with it not being extremely polished, beautiful. You know, we just want the access. We want to be able to see our favorite players when they're on the road. We. When they're, you know, doing things that we don't normally get a chance to see them do. So, yeah, I think the platform, the accessibility has changed significantly as well. So. And I think the fans are the beneficiary of it. I think a lot of athletes realize, like, oh, this is a great way for me to connect with the, the fans and, you know, tell my full story. I'm not just an athlete. I have other interests. I have a family, I have other things going on that makes me more relatable to you and, you know, maybe you get the benefit of the doubt if I go over four one night because, you know, I like you as a person.
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B
And do you feel that now athletes are totally getting, like, how to become, let's say, you know, again, content creators themselves, you know, this sport person. Or are you still noticing maybe some, I don't want to say, mistakes, right. About things that you might not know, you know, if you're not a content creator. Right. Because again, your, your role, right. Is still like, primarily as an athlete. Right. And so I know that sometimes maybe they might not be communicating the right way or maybe the type of, like, formatting. Right. Of their videos might be, you know, be better. Like, have you noticed anything that you would recommend, like, for athletes out there that want to become maybe either, again, better communicators or whenever it comes to, you know, partnership with brands, like, what. What would you do differently?
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Yeah, no, I think there is. We run into that all the time where, you know, our athletes are definitely trying to use their social channels to brand themselves more. But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, my recommendation to, to athletes that are, you know, trying to utilize social better is to, you know, again, I think first and foremost be genuine. Like, you know, use, use the opportunity to, to show who you are. You don't need to, to have an entire team put things together for you. But, you know, I think another aspect is making sure you're comfortable with the, the content you're producing. So, you know, we make suggestions to our players all the time, hey, you should do this. Hey, you should do that. And we'll bring them, you know, different concepts, but, you know, if it's something that they don't think is going to, that they feel strongly about or feel comfortable with it, it makes it, you know, challenging. I think for the most part athletes have figured out, hey, I can just pull out my phone and I can, you know, shoot in that vertical format. And again, a lot of opportunity with editing on your phone as well. You don't need, you don't need an Adobe product to pull it off. Cap cut. You know, a lot of our, our guidance were pretty savvy with that kind of stuff. So yeah, I mean, I think for the most part our, our, our crew at least is, is pretty, pretty good with it. But you know, I think people who are into it and people or athletes that are, are trying to brand themselves have a pretty good grasp on it. And again, I think the more you, the more you try different things and you learn from those, you'll see success
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B
and you know, specifically to your job. Right. And if you look at the social media strategy of the Neuromats, right, For a second, I'm very curious to, you know, to hear from you on that in terms of like, you know, from scheduling the content to like what type of formats is working. Well, you kind of like already shared a bit, you know, about that. But I'm also curious since, you know, these days, you know, there is so much going on on the Internet, right? You want sometimes to either shock people, right, with some content or maybe you want to, you know, newjacking things, right? Maybe something happened one of the athletes, right? And then you have to create a video super quickly with what is the balance between like scheduling content in advance to again, you know, trying to understand what is happening, you know, in every single minute to maybe putting something out out there. And also like how easy it is to manage something like that, you know, again, with, with so much Content going on on the Internet.
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Yeah, it's not easy for sure. Obviously, it's a tough balancing act. We have a content calendar that, you know, spans months into the future. And we are planning on a, you know, a number of things. We kind of have, I would say there's probably three funnels or the, you know, we start with the largest part of the funnel and work our way down. So, you know, stuff that we know happens every year, player birthdays, you know, holidays, stuff like that that we know we're going to produce content for, that stuff gets put in the calendar, and we're aware of that stuff. But then we're probably looking at the month, you know, what will we have for that month? And then even more granular, what's going on this week? And then even more granular, what are we doing hour to hour. So we try not to plan too much or we try not to schedule too much content in the future. We're planning, we're absolutely planning and making sure that we have a good mix of content across all of our channels throughout, but we aren't scheduling significantly into the future in the off season now, without games, we are able to plan a little bit better or schedule a little bit more, but only a day or two in advance. Obviously, the last thing we would want is to post something that we have scheduled, a funny video or something we produced in the off season and something happened, you know, that would make it feel insensitive. So, yeah, there's. There's a constant mix. And I think the other part of it is, you know, the trends. The trends change, you know, very quickly. So, you know, what we're talking about today by next week may not be, you know, we might be onto something else. So, you know, a lot of times we are working very quickly and, you know, shout out to our content creators who are, you know, there's a concept that comes up, they get, you know, we go and we film it and they are able to turn it around and get it out. You know, one of the major factors for us is, is timing. You know, we know for sure there's a window for a lot of these trends and a lot of the content that we're producing. So, you know, we have to react quickly. So I'd say we have a pretty good mix of, you know, planned and scheduled content, but a lot of it is, you know, serendipitous and stuff that we were working on very quickly and we were able to turn around fairly quickly.
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C
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B
Yeah, you know, that was, you know, very curious about it because one of the things that we noticed in working with some, you know, companies and brands out there, it is that there is a trend going on. But then you have like so many layers, right, of approvals and then you, you need legal and then you need approval of the CEO and this and that and then boom, the trends now is three weeks old. If you're actually going to post it in the moment, you're going to be counter effective, right? Because you actually be like, why are they posting this now? That was like, you know, going live and everything. So have you identified either a framework or something to say there is this trend, you know, thumbs up to proceed or, and then you get a content or do you get a content first and then you check it out? Like I'm curious to see what is the framework there because again, as you said, you have to go fast. You don't want to miss on something but at the same time you don't want to jump on a trend just because. Right?
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Yeah, no, absolutely. I think, you know, we have really good leadership here. Our, our VP of brand is very in the know on a lot of this stuff and recognizes that we have to work quickly. So you know, we have, you know, slack channels, we have text groups and if somebody sees something and says, oh, hey this, you know, can we do this? You know, there was something not too long ago and again, by the time this comes out, the, the trend will be long gone. But group seven on TikTok, you know, someone saw it, put it in the group and then we worked pretty quickly to get that up and out. And again it was one of those things where it was like, you know, she just greenlit and said let's go, let's make it happen. And we were able to do it. So, you know, for the most part we do have the flexibility of if something's going on now, let's, let's get it done by the end of the day or within the hour or whatever we're able to do, then get it up and out. Obviously, there are certain scenarios where there's a little more conversation, a little more collaboration of, like, does this make sense for us? Can we do this? Well, because that's the other part of it. You don't want to just do it to be part of the trend and alienate our fan base or just not. Not fit our brand overall.
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Absolutely. No. That's why, you know, I was asking. Exactly, right. Sometimes I notice that certain brands maybe jump on a trend just because. And then it's not part of their DNA. The audience is very confused. Right. And you actually, you might lose part of the audience. Right, because you're jumping on something that is not really, you know, part of you as a. As a brand. And, you know, like, still on the partnership side, I saw that you posted on your LinkedIn, right. But also partnership that you did with Netflix Strikes to promote the release of, you know, Epic Gilbert 2, in that case, right. You're combining basically social media with Netflix. Right? There is streaming service with sports that people go either in person or see on, like, you know, three trunks tv. So you mix in a lot of different things here. Right? So first of all, how did that, you know, come as an idea? And then what was the execution look like?
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Yeah, no, that was a. That was a fun one for us to work on. But, yeah, so Netflix was promoting Happy Gilmore 2. They had come to us with, you know, hey, we're looking for an idea. And one of our players, Jeff McNeil, is a. A big golfer, big fan of the movie as well. So we pitched them the concept that ultimately we posted, which was Jeff and the actor who, Chris McDonald, who played Shooter McGavin. They would, you know, battle in a miniature golf course. We couldn't. We couldn't actually get to a golf course, but we were able to film that here. So, you know, we were looking for something that would again, catch the. The eyeballs of Mets fans, capitalize on the moment, and, you know, make the partner happy. So it was, you know, it was a fun concept that we came up with. We wrote up a script, sent it over to them. Chris was great. Jeff was great. They, you know, we walked through it very quickly with them and, you know, kind of, you know, explain, hey, this is what we're looking for. And, you know, we were able to film it very quickly and again, shout out to our. Our tremendous content creators who, you know, took that footage and was able to edit it really quickly. The not seen there was the. The number of test shots that we did beforehand before either, you know, Jeff or. Or Chris got out there. So, you know, there was probably a half hour of additional shooting that happened before they showed up. And then we filmed with them for. For a while as well. So. Yeah, no, it was just something that, you know, hit. Checked all the boxes and it was something that was great for Mets fans because they got to see Jeff McNeil, you know, show his personality a little bit more. And obviously, you know, an ode to the. The original Happy Gilmore as well.
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B
You know, I can imagine, right. As you said, right. You're like shooting a bit, you know, earlier, and then what do you see, right, this part of it, like, how do you. How do you keep like that? You know, everyone talks about authenticity still. You know, I know that it's kind of a buzzword these days, but how do you keep it like, you know that, right. You said it before with athletes, but also with actors now. How do you keep it in a way that it's still like a good balance between. It's good content, the quality is there, but at the same time, right, fans can see that it's actually either an authentic moment or something that can try to, you know, like again, somehow, right, Give like, give an image right off again having fun. Because at the end of the day, that's sports, right? It's been together having a good time. Right, so what is the balance for you in that case?
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Yeah, that one was probably, you know, again, like, that was a little more scripted, but we did go, you know, it was given to both Chris and Jeff well beforehand. So, you know, we had the chance to talk with Jeff and kind of walk him through, like, hey, this is what, what you're doing. And again, if he, you know, he had some questions early on or like, okay, what am. What's my. What's my role here? What's my character here? Yeah, for the most part, you know, we don't. We try not to coach them. You know, we want that authentic moment. We want, you know, their reaction. We did an activation earlier in the year with, with Nintendo Switch 2. And you know, that was one of those where, you know, the players were getting a chance to use the new Mario Kart World game that it just came out. So again, something like that, we just kind of let them play because we wanted their genuine reaction. And they're all competitive and they're all, you know, they all want to win. And again, some of these guys are just Picking up the controller for the first time. And it was just, you know, for our fans as well as the players, it was just fun to see them in their genuine moment. We didn't, we didn't coach them, we didn't give them kind of, you know, too much direction because we wanted that authentic reaction of them, you know, and we were fortunate. We had a couple of very close races. So it was very heated, you know, with the, with the controllers.
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B
So. And you know, it's great to see finally different medium, right. Getting together and also different interests, Right. Because I think that when Influencer Marketing started, if you were a beauty company, you were only working with beauty people, right? And then fashion, with only fashion people are fun, right. We all understood that you can be a person but with several interests and hobbies, right. And so I think that this intersection, right, so as we said, sports with, you know, movies and now video games, right. With athletes, right. I think it's an interesting one. Right. Again, we're not just like one person with one profile. We have like a multitude, right. Of those. So I'm happy to see like that that is happening. And on these, I also want to ask you, what do you think that is going to be, you know, the future, right, of sport marketing, like, you know, as first thing, and also the intersection with the creator economy because they have been like been evolving a lot. So I'm very curious. You've been, you know, again, as you said, like from even before all the short form videos and verticals, right. And now we are doing that. What is the future? What is missing right now?
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A
Yeah, no, I'd probably be a very rich person if I knew. But yeah, I mean, I'm seeing obviously, you know, Vertical video is, you know, right now probably the most important. We're seeing a lot more AI, you know, from content creators, again, which is scary, which is also exciting. You know, there's definitely some opportunities there. But yeah, I think, you know, we're seeing a lot more in, in that space as well. But yeah, I think, I think people want more access. I think people want authentic. I think they want to see that. But you know, I know that there's a, there's a lot of AI produced content out there that entertains people. And you know, again, I don't know how much it'll, it'll seep into the sports space or the athlete space. But you know, I think from, from our world, I envision Vertical Video to continue to grow. You know, I think they'll probably expand, you know, certain aspects of being able to go live and share content instantly. So I can, I can see that definitely expanding. And, and I think also the way that we capture content, we, we did some stuff with. We've tested out the meta Ray Ban glasses and again, I think that that gives fans a really unique perspective, you know, directly from the point of view of athletes. So I can definitely see more wearable content. You're being bigger.
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B
That's definitely an interesting one, right? I mean, of course, you know, not many people still use those devices, right. I think that method. Right. Tried to get into that and then it was like a lot of hype. Right. But then, you know, it went down. So that would be definitely an interesting one, I think, like, especially with all the point of view, right, the type of videos. So that may be like, like I feel like an athlete, right, for one hour and you actually go play with them. That would be an interesting one. And I'm also curious like, because we're still talking about like, you know, of course, you know, AI and you know, variable devices and be able to be basically like, see what they see. But what about also like a bit more on the, you know, Kritos IRL type of events? I'm asking because we just went out with, with you know, like an infographic report and we serve with people and we noticed that a lot of people actually love to meet their creators, right. In real life. Meaning that they are either doing a meet and greet, as simple as that, as to. They actually come out with the idea, they invite people, you can meet them, or maybe they do in collaboration with a brand. In your case, right? When it comes to athletes specifically, I know of course they already like this type of activation, but if you were able to see more activations like in, in, in real life, right, between fans and, and, and athletes and sports together, what type of events would you, would you like to see?
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A
I think we have as. As, you know, consumers. I think we trust each other more than we trust the brand, which again, you know, hurts me. Coming from the Mets, I can tell you it's a lot of fun to come to a Mets game, but you're going to trust a creator more than, than you're going to trust the guy who works here. So. Yeah, and I'm aware of that, but I think, yeah, I think, you know, it's definitely a space that we're, you know, getting more involved in. They can truly tell an authentic story of what it is like to come here, you know, I think, you know, from the creator side, you know, I think you'll see more of those in real life experiences and we've worked with a few over the last year and you know, they've mentioned more and more that they are starting to, you know, they're producing content regularly but they are, you know, taking the time to do meet and greets or to go out to different places and connect directly with fans. And it is, it's very impressive how you know, you can just go from this is a thing I like and thing I, you know, I started talking about to my phone and then now all of a sudden, you know, you have the connection with, with a larger community. You know, it, it really. Social media has done a tremendous job of, you know, connecting like minded people or people who have similar interests. So. So yeah, I mean I'm not sure where it will go for the athlete space, but definitely would love to see more opportunities for content creators to work with the Mets and be able to connect with their fans at a game. And the same thing for our athletes, whether it's through the minor league systems or our major league players. Being able to connect in real life I think is very important. Not just having that digital Persona.
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B
Exactly. Especially in sports. Right. There is about, you know, being there, being present. Right. And it's like you know, physical sports. Right. So I think that, that, that's what we noticing. Right. And that's actually if you think about it like even other sports, right. Like boxing event, you know, football, like even creators are getting together and creating teams. Right. To make it even more like an engaging for people, you know, when it comes to sports, even for people that don't watch sports usually. Right. I think that is a nice way to, to get them interest. Right. Because maybe you might not be interested in, in that professional sports but maybe if you see someone that you know, playing, right. More for fun than other would be a good, you know, good way to, to get them in, you know. So yeah, that, that would be an interesting one. Will, thank you so much for joining me today. I'm very curious to see the next, you know, partnership and, and activations because again you're like, of course, you know, sports has been always there in society but now is getting, you know like a different shape and formats and everything. So very curious to see what is next.
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A
Thank you so much for having me.
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B
Absolutely. This was the influence factor by an influencer marketing factory. And I'll see you in the next episode.