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Drumroll, please. We are on the blue couch in San Antonio, Texas, for Turning Point USA's Women's Leadership Summit for our panel of real Gen Z women, those in high school, college, and who have just graduated to unpack the biggest cultural issues facing young women today. These are not content creators. They're not podcasters. They don't have their own agenda. But these young women are navigating some of the toughest cultural battles that we are facing with grace, clarity, class, and beauty. And today we're unpacking why the message is so strong against marriage and having kids for young women today. And if they still want to get married and give birth in their own lives, let's jump in. Thank you ladies so much for joining me here in San Antonio. Who are you, how did you find out about tpusa, and why are you here at the Women's Leadership Summit?
Regan Fruits
Well, I'm Regan Fruits. I'm from Helena, Montana, and I have a hub up there with Club America. And I first heard about Turning Point. I actually don't know the first time I heard about it, but it was actually around like the first week of September and I was talking with some of my friends and like, you guys, this would be really fun to start a chapter. And then obviously Charlie got assassinated and so it seemed like all the pieces just kind of like put together at once because we were talking about it and then this happened. So we started our chapter on September 11th and we've been going strong since then.
Parker Widmer
Hi, I'm Parker Widmer. I am from Ohio. I got involved with Turning Point this Past year. I've always known about them and I've always been in the politics scene. My mom was very passionate about it. Growing up really instilled values in us from the conservative movement. And I was a senior this past year. I just graduated a couple weeks ago. And I did all of my classes this year at the Ohio State University College of Food, Agriculture and Environmental Sciences. And when I started there, it was a couple weeks after I had first started. Charlie was assassinated. And there was not a chapter on our campus. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm 17, I'm not even technically a student. I'm still in high school. Like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna start it. And it has been great since then. Now I'm the president of it.
Hayley Vanderhei
My name is Hayley Vanderhei and I am from Purdue Northwest in Indiana. I'm the vice president of our chapter. We are a newer chapter. We started this past September as well.
Parker Widmer
But.
Hayley Vanderhei
But I feel like I've always been vocal about my conservative and my faith based beliefs. Like I just been instilled that. And I think I'm a confident person in what I believe, always growing up. But the assassination of Charlie was like a catalyst for me to like bring that outside of my classroom. So I started my chapter along with my president that we have now. So it's been honestly really hard since then, but it's been also like seeing God be so faithful in like teaching us how to like be confident and bold in our faith and in our conservative beliefs. It's been so great.
Sage
Hi, my name is Sage. I am the president of the Turning Point chapter at Utah Valley University. And I actually joined at about 11:30 the morning of September 10th on my way to Charlie's last rally. As soon as everything happened with Charlie, there was a ton of momentum. There were tons of people that wanted to join and there was work that needed to be done. So we took basically no break. We hit the ground running and we've just been building everything we can since then.
Lily Waldeck
I'm Lily Waldeck. I'm from Vista, California. And I started my chapter after Charlie was assassinated because I felt that we really need to build this next generation to know more about our country and our politics, not just from what they've seen on the Internet and like to actually be able to talk about it with like minded people. And so I from a small school, so we only had about 25 people, but we started ours in January. We had a little bit of pushback from admin. But yeah, so glad to have you guys.
Host (possibly Isabel)
I love hearing this, especially as a friend of Charlie's and someone who's known him for a very, very long time and worked for him for eight years. You know, I think when you've been so deeply engrossed in the Turning Point world and the conservative movement for so long, you think everybody knows who TPUSA is, or there generally is a reputation around the country for the work that we do. But so many people I learned after Charlie's assassination had no idea what Charlie was doing and dedicated his life to. And to know that every single one of you joined and started your chapters after his assassination gives me a lot of hope for what comes next. We were chatting right before we started filming and it was interesting to me. I was asking you guys what you wanted to be when you grew up and what you're studying in school and all these things and. And I find it really interesting that I have witnessed a huge evolution within TPUSA from the time that I came to my first Women's leadership summit in 2017. I know I'm old, okay? Just don't come at me for that. 2017 to now, the growth and explosion of young women who are so interested in the messaging of Turning Point usa, what Charlie dedicated his life to, and the conservative movement being based in faith, family and freedom. And at least one of you said when you grew up you wanted to be a mom, which is surprising to me because so much of our culture today is screaming at you young women in Generation Z that motherhood is beneath you or something that you should put off as long as possible. Why don't you kick us off sage and tell us why you feel that way?
Sage
Yeah, so being a mom has always been the dream for me. I think a lot of that was because my mom's influence in my life, she was amazing. But growing up, I had a lot of close friends who had non traditional families and I saw the way that affected them. Obviously there's the statistics that go into growing up in traditional two parent homes, but just from the moment I was young, I knew I wanted to have my own kids, I wanted to raise them. I think that's a God given right and that's something I've always enjoyed. But it's been hard the further I get into college and into life because I have had so many students, professors, people that I look up to, mentors tell me that I am wasting talent and wasting space and that that is not a job for me. That's not what I should be doing. And I guess in a sense, they're trying to compliment me by saying I have potential in the workforce. But to tell me that my dream job is something that's a waste of time is so insulting to me.
Host (possibly Isabel)
You also mentioned right before we started filming Sage that people are using fertility and motherhood as an insult against you guys as conservative activists right now, wishing that you can't children or that you might experience a miscarriage, which is crazy. Tell me a little bit more about that.
Sage
Yeah. So I'm very vocal online, and considering everything that happened at my university, I think my chapter faces a lot of heat from people that oppose us. And at first I got a lot of death threats, people telling me they didn't want to be alive. But the more I got outspoken about how much I wanted to be a mother, I would get countless messages and comments saying that I hope you're infertile, I hope you can't have kids, I hope you miscarry, things like that. And some of that's because I'm vocal about being pro life as well. I mean, I had someone literally comment with pro abortion because your mom should have aborted you, which is an absurd thing to say, but I think sometimes when people find what matters to you, they'll attack that directly. And being a mother is so valuable to me.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Are any of you other guys experiencing that on campus? What are people saying?
Parker Widmer
So one of my things is I'm very outspoken about abortion, and I face a lot of backlash. Really? Like, well, I hope you get R ed and then. Or, I hope your baby has issues and I hope you don't make it through the pregnancy.
Host (possibly Isabel)
All of that. Wow.
Parker Widmer
Which has been insane.
Host (possibly Isabel)
How do you feel when professors or mentors or older people in your life tell you that you're wasting your talent or your intelligence or how hard you're working by saying that it's your priority to want to be a mom, even if you also might want to pursue a career at the same time. Do you feel like they're trying to shove you down one particular path and that you're just not strong enough for both?
Sage
I feel insulted. I think some of that comes from professors that see good in me and think I'm good at what I do, so they want me to pursue a career in it. I think some of them do think they have my best interest at heart. But when I tell you this is my dream and my life's passion, and you kick it to the side and say no, that doesn't matter having my best interest at heart or not. It's hurtful and it's insulting.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Hayley, who do you think are some of the loudest voices that are the most impactful for young women in how we perceive relationships, intimacy, and marriage and wanting to have kids?
Hayley Vanderhei
A very impactful voice on us is Alex Cooper, the host of the Call Her Daddy podcast.
Host (possibly Isabel)
You guys all know who Alex is.
Sage
I don't.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Okay, this is good. Nature is healing people. Okay, give us an overview. Who is that? Who is Alex Cooper?
Hayley Vanderhei
I don't personally watch her, but I've just seen clips of her. But she is very explicit in how she details what you should do in your 20s and how you should live your relationship lives. And now she's more of an interview style, but asks people all kinds of explicit questions about their personal lives and really just states that it's not important to get married until or even if it's not important at all, but it shouldn't be prioritized in your life until you're in your 30s or it's not worth settling down if you can go out and have fun on the weekend or do anything like that.
Host (possibly Isabel)
What do you think about that message? Do you agree with it?
Hayley Vanderhei
Absolutely not.
Host (possibly Isabel)
How about other women your age? Do people make fun of that? Do they think it's trying too hard or trying really desperately to push a message that seems to be popular when it really isn't?
Hayley Vanderhei
I surround myself, or I try to, with a lot of like minded individuals. So, yeah, we all tend to agree on that. But I also know people from high school who would, like, really value her opinion and, like, live their life based on what she was saying, and it's just so harmful.
Host (possibly Isabel)
And yet she's married with a baby on the way, so it seems to
Hayley Vanderhei
be good enough for her. Yeah.
Host (possibly Isabel)
How about our high schoolers? I'm curious, do you guys know who Alex Cooper is? Do you think people listen to her show and listen to her advice for the next generation?
Regan Fruits
Okay, well, I kind of know of her. I've seen clips and posts and stuff, but I just feel like this goes for almost like any person that has either like a social media page or, like, any form of influence, people are gonna listen to them like they have authority no matter what the issue is. So, I mean, obviously she has a baby on the way, but I don't know, I just, like, so many people have different, like, takes on it. So you're not gonna really find, like, a conservative woman watching her podcast for information of how to become a mom. You know? Yeah, something like that.
Hayley Vanderhei
I think it's also really hypocritical because I did not do a deep dive into this, But I know that she outspoke against, like, a baby and a mom in the past and, like, was bashful against this. This mom who was like, I don't know the whole story, but I think comparing her baby, like, each week it was growing to, like, the size of a different fruit. And she was giving so much backlash on this mom. And now here she is announcing that she's so happy about her pregnancy. It's like, how can you be excited about your own when you're not happy for another woman's pregnancy and you're gonna bash a literal baby?
Lily Waldeck
I feel like she definitely is a hypocrite. She kind of talks. I've only seen clips, but from what I've seen, she talks against marriage and against having kids, and yet she's married with a baby on the way. So that's great for her, but I feel like. To speak against it and then, like, have that. It's kind of hypocritical to.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Yeah, I've seen this from not just her, but certainly, like, every major woman in media with a microphone lately. Outside of the conservative bubble, most are married with children or they're newly married, and they really want to have children, and they're really excited about pursuing that for themselves individually, but at the same time, they're just constantly barking to their audience that marriage is beneath you and kids are beneath you, and you should put it off as long as possible. Why do you think the media seems to be so obsessed with that message for the women of our generation, even if they're not living it themselves?
Parker Widmer
Well, I think one of the ways that the world just tries to deceive us is through confusion. And I feel as though that message is very confusing. Pushing one thing, but then doing it yourself. I feel like they just want our heads to not be straight at all. Because if we can't think clearly, if we can't even see what the world is, then how are we going to know what we want for ourselves? Or what is the right way?
Host (possibly Isabel)
Hope you guys are loving today's episode. Having a real conversation with real students about what our generation thinks about parenthood. But one of the other things I'm finding the more I interact with real students on campus right now is how many students have already started their own businesses. Forbes magazine estimates that 62% of Gen Zers have already started our own business, even when most of us are still in high school and college, and as a small business owner myself, I can tell you I know just how overwhelming getting started in that process can be. There's the paperwork and the taxes and having to file things with the government. It can be so overwhelming. Let alone actually getting to the point where your business is operational. Especially if you are selling a product through your business, finding the right place to house all of it can be really tricky. And that's exactly where our friends at Shopify come in. Shopify is powering millions of businesses all over the world and even 10% of E commerce right here in the United States, including our very own daily wire shop. And if you've ever thought about starting your own business, Shopify makes it so easy for you to get started too. They handle all of the complicated stuff, from inventory to payments to shipping. And they're the home of that iconic purple shop pay button that easily and seamlessly converts your customers into paying customers. You can see less carts abandoned and a whole lot more sales. Go with our friends at Shopify and start your dream small business today by signing up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com isabel and while you're getting your business started, you may eventually need to start thinking about who to hire too. Something that genuinely shocked me, discovering this as a business owner myself, is that nearly half of hiring managers say that a candidate's enthusiasm for the job is the most important factor when they are deciding who to hire. Not their gpa, not their resum, or their laundry list of credentials, but how excited they are. So if you are hiring for your business, here's the real question. How can you tell who is genuinely pumped to take the position versus someone who's just looking to make a paycheck? That's exactly where our friends at ZipRecruiter come in. ZipRecruiter has a brand new feature that puts the most interested and the most qualified candidates right at the top of your inbox. So you're not wading through a gigantic mess of candidates, but finding the right person very, very fast. Four out of five employers who post their job positions on ZipRecruiter find the perfect candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for free as you're getting your business off the ground and hiring the right people for your team for free@ziprecruiter.com Isabel that's ziprecruiter.com Isabel I also think that we
Hayley Vanderhei
are encouraged to climb the ladder in the business world or whatever because we want People, feminists, want to be as close as they can to a man. They don't want to be below a man. They want to be better, equal to a man and what they're doing, but that's not the way it was designed. So they're inherently feeling like, I want to be a mom, I want to be a wife. I want to have a family. But people are getting told or they're thinking that they should be equal to a man. So those things obviously don't align. Like, I personally believe in my faith that I should be submissive to my husband. I'm not gonna be above him. I have a role, and I was designed to glorify God through that. So I'm called to be a mom and a wife someday.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Do you all want to become married and become moms in your life someday? I love that. That makes me really excited. And I think a lot of that is attributed to people who are using their platforms for the right thing. This idea of someone having a microphone and having a podcast and inherently having authority, I think there's a lot of truth behind that. And there are a lot of people for whom I think podcasting equipment should be a lot more expensive, frankly, because not everybody needs a podcast. But I don't find it coincidental that toward the end of his life, Charlie took more heat for saying to young men and women alike, the greatest pursuits that you could possibly engage in in your life aren't even really politics. They're not the job that you'll pursue. It's getting married and having children and following the Lord. I think Charlie was such a voice for that, for young men especially. And we've seen a huge pendulum swing culturally with young men because of that. There was a huge poll that came out last fall that said the number one and number two political priorities for men under 35 were to get married and to have kids. But for women under 35, that was last and second to last. That was not at all on women's radar. Do you think there are voices out there with a microphone using their platform for good and inspiring marriage and motherhood? If so, who are they? Why do you follow them? And who do you want to see more of that from?
Regan Fruits
Okay, my biggest shout out. Riley Gaines.
Hayley Vanderhei
I agree with that.
Regan Fruits
Pretty obvious. I don't know. I, like. I loved her before she had Margot, but now, like, I don't know. She's, like, the perfect mom, and I feel like the way that she films it and, like, creates it into her media is, like, just the perfect way
Lily Waldeck
I guess I love Alex Clark too. I feel like all of these people like people outside of the conservative part. They think you can't work and be a mom. But I feel like you and Alex and Erica and Riley and all these people are proving that you can still work and you can still pursue your dreams even when you have a child. Because so many people don't believe that.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Yeah, this idea, I mean, I think we often call it in like the racial conversations politically, the bigotry of low expectations. Expectations. There's this assumption from the left that women are too weak and too stupid and too ill equipped and you're just not together enough to have both a career and a family, which is pathetic. That's not true. Obviously everyone on that stage this weekend ultimately is a working mom in some capacity. And of course there will be sacrifices and of course it's gonna be really hard. There's a lot of stuff that you're gonna have to give up along the way. But it's possible and it's beautiful. And every one of us would say our kids are more important than our paycheck and the job that we do every day. So I'm glad to know there is an entire generation of new women coming up behind us who feel the same way. How are you guys planning in your own personal lives to prepare for that vocation of marriage and motherhood? Even if the adversaries on your college campuses or your teachers or your professors seem to be telling you it's not worth it?
Hayley Vanderhei
I think the first step is finding a godly man that you can be with. That can be difficult in today's day and age. And just being patient in that process too is so important. Not settling on your values or, or anything like that is the first step.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Do you guys think there are good young men out there to date right now?
Hayley Vanderhei
This is good.
Host (possibly Isabel)
This is a big change from just
Hayley Vanderhei
a few years ago.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Where did they all come from, all these good godly Christian men? Heaven, yes, obviously. But what culturally do you think is contributing to men being more dateable, maybe more husband material?
Sage
I think as some of the voices of opposition get louder, I've seen more of these strong, conservative and faithful men rise up. I saw a lot of people go to church after Charlie Kirk died, and that was great. I had friends reaching out to me, asking about my faith, asking about my church and how to get involved. And I think the more that opposition rises and we further away from traditional marriage and this idea of non traditional is pushed upon us, I've seen a Lot of men that are strong rise up and say, that's not what I want. So I need to be stronger in my faith so I can prepare for a wife.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Are you guys seeing that in high school, too? Or maybe not yet?
Hayley Vanderhei
Not yet.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Not quite yet.
Sage
It's coming.
Regan Fruits
I'll get there.
Hayley Vanderhei
I'll get there.
Regan Fruits
I mean, I've seen it, like, a little bit. Just kind of the. Not so much, like, preparation, but really just, like, maturing, honestly. Like, I've seen that in a lot of my friends, you know, and I've talked to some of them and just kind of like, maturing because they want a wife and they want kids. So, I mean, obviously in high school, they still have a while.
Parker Widmer
Yeah.
Regan Fruits
But I do feel like we kind of start to see that, especially after Charlie, because, like, all those people listened to him, they looked up to him as a mentor. And because he was a husband, he was a father, and he was a great one, they really see that, and they see the value in that. So I definitely think it's coming, and it's going to come strong.
Parker Widmer
I also think that one of the reasons that we're seeing this uprise in good Men is because the left has pushed this version of men being terrible for so long that they're starting to be insulted. They're like, but wait, I'm not like that. So then they want to go more.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Do you think that's gonna happen with women next? I have this philosophy that they attacked men first and they went after masculinity as toxic and all these things so long ago. Right. I mean, that's been going on really throughout our lifetime. So you saw the backlash from men a lot sooner. But right now, we are in the thick of the attack against women and femininity. I think that backlash is coming, too. You're seeing it here this weekend at this event, But I wonder how much louder it's gonna get in our culture at large. If you guys could share a message with your peers who are buying into some of these lies from the media, from our mainstream culture, from the left, Especially when things have gotten so contentious, when the loud is really loud everywhere between good and evil after Charlie's death, how would you encourage other young women your age to believe that they are capable of having it all, so to speak?
Parker Widmer
I just think that there's so much more to life than just the work pipeline. Like, honestly, how dare people tell you that you were put on this earth to work and to be a slave to corporate America and that that's all you have. So that's something that I would encourage them to do. To think that you are more than that you're not meant to work for the rest of your life. You have much more, and God has much more in store for you than that. And you will be fulfilled through other ways, such as children and marriage and family and pursuing your own. Thanks.
Hayley Vanderhei
Yeah, just going off that, just really like remembering that your identity lies in Christ and like he has a plan for you and it doesn't have to be climbing the corporate ladder like you said. Like, you can just be a mom and that can be everything that you want and that can be having it all. If that's. If that's what God has planned for your life. And like, you don't have to settle for being a boss lady.
Sage
I think it's hard because politics are really, really loud in today's climate. And I had to sit back and do some thinking for myself when it comes to issues that I have strong opinions on because I realized my marriage and my family and my faith in God is here to stay forever. Once I graduate college, once I get out of the sphere of influence that I'm in, my voice in politics will not matter as much to my peers. It's important and my vote will still count, but I won't be in the same sphere of influence. My marriage and my family is eternal. It's there forever. So I'm much more focused on finding the right person and fulfilling a God centered marriage than anything that's in the political atmosphere right now.
Regan Fruits
My biggest piece of advice would be to maintain a strong faith. Because when you have a strong faith and a strong relationship in God, then that's going to go into your husband and your household and your children and your career and your life. Because if you don't have a strong foundation in God that you're building upon, then it's all gonna fall, it's all gonna break. So, like, maintain that faith and maintain that relationship and everything else will build on so much stronger.
Hayley Vanderhei
I want to go off what you were saying to like, having less influence after you get off college. Like, I think people dismiss the fact that like, your children are still a mission field, like you still have to raise them. And like, we wouldn't be here if our parents weren't the influences that they are. So we have to thank them for that. But yeah, like, we've seen people go astray from their parents. So that's as much, much as a mission field as it is any being anywhere on college.
Host (possibly Isabel)
All right. Bring us home.
Lily Waldeck
I think reading your Bible is definitely the most important thing, because the Bible's gonna be your biggest encouragement. I feel like the Bible uplifts women so much, and so reading that is definitely a big help. And then I liked it. She was saying that. I feel like a lot of people at our age ask us, like, what job do you wanna have next? But nobody asks about the family and the marriage. They only ask, like, what's next for your career? So I just feel like it's more important to ask different questions than just, what's. What's your job? Or what do you want to work in?
Host (possibly Isabel)
May we all have the courage to ask some different questions as you guys keep growing up. I'm so proud of the work that you're doing on campus. Thank you for your voice, truly, and for picking up that torch after Charlie was killed. This work matters now more than ever, as you guys know, and you're living through every day. But I have a lot of confidence in the women of our generation. If you guys are some of the voices leading it.
Parker Widmer
Thank you.
Host (possibly Isabel)
Thank you so much to these courageous young women for their work that they're doing on campus and their ability to share their story today. If you guys like this video, make sure you subscribe to the channel for free. To never miss any of our other episodes of the show.
Date: June 19, 2026
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Setting: Turning Point USA’s Women’s Leadership Summit, San Antonio, Texas
Guests: Regan Fruits, Parker Widmer, Hayley Vanderhei, Sage, Lily Waldeck — all young Turning Point USA leaders in high school and college
This episode features Isabel Brown moderating a passionate panel discussion with Gen Z women active in Turning Point USA (TPUSA), focusing on the cultural messages young women receive about marriage, motherhood, and pursuing family life versus career ambitions. The conversation explores resistance these young conservative women face on college campuses, the influence of media personalities, and how they’re negotiating faith, personal conviction, and societal pressures.