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CNN Cut Me Off for Telling the Truth — Full Breakdown

The Isabel Brown Show

Mon Dec 08 2025

Summary

The Isabel Brown Show – "CNN Cut Me Off for Telling the Truth — Full Breakdown"

Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Date: December 8, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Isabel Brown delivers a passionate, critical breakdown of her recent contentious appearance on CNN, using it as a springboard to examine what she describes as a new peak in "toxic empathy," escalating political hatred, and calls for violence from the American left. Brown also spotlights the controversial rhetoric of left-wing podcaster Jennifer Welch, mainstream media coverage, and the broader cultural consequences of demonizing political opponents. The episode ultimately calls for a return to humility, faith, and dialogue as the path back from the brink.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: A Fraught Media Landscape

Isabel recounts her latest appearance as a conservative panelist on CNN, characterizing it as far less constructive than her previous two visits.
She expresses concern at the increased intensity of language—hatred, vitriol, open calls for violence—emerging from certain left-leaning voices, both on TV and in podcasting.
- "The unapologetic nature of just how badly these people hate you—...not just disagree with your ideas...but outright hate you—is beyond comparison to me at any other point in my lifetime.” (02:49)

2. Jennifer Welch: From Reality TV to Left-Wing Podcast Star

Brown profiles Jennifer Welch, now host of the highly popular left-wing podcast "I've Had It," noting her substantial online following and a glowing New York Times profile.
- Welch is framed as the rising "darling" of leftist podcasting, entering political discourse post-reality-television.
Critiques Welch's public comments and influence, particularly her attacks on conservative figures.

Notable Quotes from Jennifer Welch (as shared by Brown):

On Erica Kirk:
"She is a grifter... she is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was." (05:58–07:07)
On Riley Gaines:
"You're an insufferable twat. Nobody likes you except for the other fake Christians..." (19:51–21:21)
Welch's rhetoric, according to Brown, exemplifies the rise of personal attacks and casual, inflammatory slurs in mainstream progressive podcasting.

On Welch's Appeal and Media Coverage:

"The reality TV celebrity turned left-wing podcaster Jennifer Welch is fed up with President Trump. She also expects better from the Democrats." (Paraphrased NYT, 09:02)
Brown reads from Welch's NYT profile, poking fun at Welch’s daily routines and quipping:
"That sounds like the most horrifyingly grim existence on the face of the planet to me." (09:25)

3. Mainstreaming of Violent Rhetoric

Brown highlights recent quotes from Welch that, in her view, cross into outright incitement.
Cites Welch urging Democrats to "get on board with wanting conservatives dead," or risk being politically targeted themselves (14:53+).

Notable Moment:

Welch directs the Democrat establishment:
"Listen up Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA, period." (15:42)
Brown connects this to similar rhetoric she attributes to Hasan Piker and others, warning:
"This is insane behavior. This is beyond anything we've ever seen in my lifetime in the zeitgeist of American politics." (16:23)

4. Brown’s CNN Experience: Feeling Silenced and Misrepresented

Isabel describes feeling consistently "talked over" and mischaracterized by Abby Phillip and other panelists during the recording.
She attempts to raise concerns about drug trafficking, redistricting, and political violence, only to have her perspectives dismissed or reframed as implicitly racist or morally suspect.
- "[The panel] considered themselves to be the heroes and I was the villain...they actually ended up feeding into the problem." (22:27)

Segment Analysis:

On drug boat strike and U.S. drug policy:
- Brown tries to frame fentanyl deaths as a humanitarian crisis; is corrected by panelists who emphasize the cocaine shipment and question the relevance of Caribbean strikes (31:12–32:16).
- Brown’s sarcastic response:
  "It was cocaine. It was cocaine. So it's okay then. Actually, it was okay. It was okay. Isabel, you're so insane for suggesting that we should be stopping the flow of illegal drugs into our country..." (32:33)
On Texas redistricting:
- Is accused (without direct labeling) of supporting racially-motivated disenfranchisement; Brown denounces the idea that all Black voters are Democrats as "actual racism" (34:57).
On the January 6th pipe bomber:
- Brown spotlights media double standards and the “toxic empathy” of jumping to blame "white men" and MAGA supporters.
- "The fact that that's where your brain immediately went. Attack the white man, blame the white man...This is the programming of this toxic empathy that has happened for years." (37:39)

5. "Toxic Empathy": The Central Critique

Brown borrows from Allie Beth Stuckey’s book Toxic Empathy, arguing that left-wing empathy has become a mask for behavior and policies she sees as destructive and dehumanizing.
- "You look in the mirror and you think that you are a saint, but in reality, the things that you are advocating for...are destroying people's lives..." (22:44)
She sees the danger of this "empathy" in media calls to “other” conservatives, and in reframing violence as righteous or necessary.

Escalation to Extreme Rhetoric (C-SPAN Clip):

Brown plays audio of a Black Nificent Books owner advocating for the extermination of white people (50:48).
- "We have to exterminate white people, people off of the face of the planet to solve this problem..." (50:48)
She warns this is the “logical conclusion” of demonizing and othering political opponents.

6. The Spiritual Solution: Humility, Conversation, and Faith

Facing what she sees as a boiling political culture, Brown calls for a “hard reset” centered on humility and a return to God—the only real solution to hatred and violence.
She draws parallels to the feast of the Immaculate Conception and Mary as a model of humility and submission to God, emphasizing “less of me, more of You” as an antidote to pride and division.
- "The only solution to this growing divide in our society and the growing calls for violence against others is God. And more specifically is Jesus Christ. That is the only answer." (60:07)
Urges listeners: “Drop everything, hit your knees, literally, and pray for all of the people who you consider to be your political enemies today.” (61:55)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the rise of vitriol:
“Unapologetic, unabashed hatred, vitriol, ugly, evil, disgusting language and calls for celebration of outright violence...” (01:51)
On the function of "toxic empathy":
“Toxic empathy...the things that you are an apologist for...they are tearing down our society with every passing day...” (22:44)
On media double standards:
“Jake Tapper did correct it over the weekend. I mistakenly said that the suspect was white. Obviously, as the photo revealed, he's black. ...the fact that that's where your brain immediately went. Attack the white man, blame the white man.” (37:36–37:39)
On calls for political violence:
"Jennifer Welch...openly suggested that all of the Democrat establishment of left wing politics in America needs to get on board with wanting conservatives dead..." (13:49)
On coexistence and dialogue:
"People who think differently from me are not always, sometimes they are, are not always evil...How we learn how to have a conversation in society has to be our number one priority for 2026...” (53:15, 53:24)
On the remedy for toxic strife:
“Less of me, more of You. Would we be actually more empathetic? Would we be kinder?...The only solution...is God...and more specifically...Jesus Christ.” (58:09–60:07)

Timestamps for Important Segments

[01:51] – Isabel frames the episode, sets up the CNN experience, and introduces themes of rising political hatred.
[05:58–07:07] – Jennifer Welch’s (quoted) attack on Erica Kirk and her late husband, controversial language.
[09:02] – Reading from Welch's NYT profile; commentary on her routine and fame.
[14:53–15:42] – Audio clip and discussion: Welch celebrates political violence and urges Democrats to join in.
[19:51–21:21] – Welch’s harsh attack on Riley Gaines re: trans issues, faith, and “fake Christians.”
[22:27] – Isabel’s breakdown of the concept of “toxic empathy.”
[31:12–32:33] – CNN panel debate: drugs and the U.S. southern border; Isabel describes being dismissed.
[34:57] – Redistricting discussion turns racially charged; panel's accusations and Isabel's response.
[37:36–37:39] – Jake Tapper's correction on suspect’s race; media framing criticism.
[41:13–44:48] – Panel argues over January 6th pipe bomber; discussion of pardons, motives, and media narratives.
[46:49–47:41] – Isabel’s summary: Media, podcast, and book rhetoric as evidence of dangerous escalation.
[50:48–51:23] – Clip: C-SPAN testimony calling for extermination of white people.
[53:15–53:24] – Isabel on the nature of evil and the future of American coexistence.
[58:09–60:07] – Call for humility, prayer, and a Christ-centered solution to political and societal strife.
[61:55] – Call to listeners to pray for enemies as the first response to division.

Tone and Language

Isabel’s tone throughout is intense, emotionally charged, sometimes exasperated—she mixes sarcasm, serious warning, personal reflection, and open distress about the state of American discourse.
The podcast uses strong, direct language, including quoting expletives and pejoratives from opposing voices.
Underneath the criticism, Isabel returns repeatedly to faith and humility, offering a message of hope and challenge to both sides.

Final Message

Brown urges listeners to resist the lure of polarization, to pray for political enemies, to embrace humility, and to center their lives on faith—calling this the only way to avoid a societal breakdown fueled by what she sees as rising, saintly-branded, but ultimately destructive “toxic empathy” from the left.

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Isabelle Brown (1:51)

Happy Monday and welcome back to the show. I am back in my house after late last night rolling on in on the train. I don't know if you guys saw on my Instagram this morning, but had a very special Christmas in New York bachelorette party weekend with my sister who is getting married in June but she's in med school so doesn't get a lot of time off. This was our only time to celebrate her and it was bonkers, crazy but amazing fun and I had such a such an unbelievable blast. Feel free to copy that bachelorette party theme if you want to use it. In the past, sadly, I also combined a whole lot of work with pleasure and did a lot of television appearances while in New York. And I say sadly because we made our third appearance on CNN last Thursday night thinking it was going to be a lovely experience. Like the first few times I was on the network, lo and behold, the narrator says it was was not and we're going to unpack that a little bit in the episode today. But it's following this larger trend of the continuation of just unapologetic, unabashed hatred, vitriol, ugly, evil, disgusting language and calls for celebration of outright violence that I am seeing from the rabid political left in the last three months, more than ever before in my entire career. You guys may have heard a little giggle there. My daughter is being bounced at my feet as we speak. So if you hear my daughter talking throughout the episode, she just has a lot of thoughts too, don't you? Isla? We don't like main, main name calling. Mom can't even talk this morning from the left, do we? On podcasts or on CNN alike. But this type of language is just reaching like a new high. And I don't know if you guys are noticing this. I don't know if you're seeing it on your social media, if you're seeing this when you're watching tv. Let's be honest, none of you do watch tv. If you, if your parents are seeing this while they're watching TV. But particularly since Charlie was killed on September 10, the unapologetic nature of just how badly these people hate you, not just disagree with your ideas, not just have a different policy prescription for what's going to help the most amount of people in our society, not just vote for different people in November, but outright hate the you is beyond comparison to me at any other point in my lifetime. I got home late last night. I woke up this morning and as I was nursing my daughter and just thinking about the day ahead, I started scrolling through social media as one does to begin their day and figure out what's going on in the world. And I came across this clip that is really breaking X right now today from a woman named Jennifer Welch. If you're unfamiliar with this particular individual, she was previously a reality TV star on Bravo who lived in Oklahoma City, I guess was on this show like Sweet Home Oklahoma or something. I don't do reality tv. You guys know that about me. My version of reality TV is like luxury ranching real estate videos on YouTube that Brock and I watch every day pining, yearning for our eventual escape to Wyoming or Montana or Idaho or Alaska. Someday we will get there. But as for now, we continue to be in the belly of the beast in Washington D.C. but post reality TV career, you know, as one does, she self appointed herself as an expert on politics and is now the host of arguably the most viral left wing politics podcast called the I've had it podcast. This woman has like a million and a half subscribers on YouTube. Their Instagram for the podcast page has over a million followers and, and she just had this glowing review written about her and her new swanky Manhattan apartment in the New York Times as of today though, is going viral. This woman, Jennifer Welch, for calling Erica Kirk a grifter and saying that she needs to be, and I quote, kicked to the curb for like remotely showing her face after her husband was assassinated. Listen to these remarks that are breaking the Internet today.

Isabelle Brown (7:20)

Have we learned nothing? Genuinely, have we learned nothing in the last three months? You can say a lot of things about Charlie. You can say I disagreed with everything he ever believed in. You can say I didn't like the organization that he run. You can say I didn't like his style of debating on social media. I've seen a lot of people say a lot of stuff like that, especially since his death, but certainly in the last decade or so that I've been working alongside people like Charlie in the conservative movement. But if anything, I think we've seen abundant evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt since his death that Charlie Kirk was not a racist. Charlie Kirk was not homophobic. And to call someone unrepentant when you have no idea what their personal faith life is like. This woman also claims that she is like the poster child voice spokes version of Christianity for the radical left, which we covered extensively. What dangers that holds on the show last week, to say that so smugly and to call yourself this glowing Christian when you have no idea what someone else's walk with God looks like. For the record, Charlie's walk with God inspired me and millions, if not billions of other people on the planet to seek a deeper relationship with God and to truly repent for one's sins. I don't know how you live like that on a day to day basis, but unfortunately this is just the normal day to day diatribe that women like Jennifer Welch spew on their podcast day in and day out, every single day from their ivory Manhattan apartment towers claiming that they speak then for the rest of society. I mentioned that she just had a glowing review written about her in the New York Times just a few days ago. They ran this whole piece profile with a photo shoot with her of course, French Bulldogs. I'm a corgi, Stan, okay, no corgi slander will be tolerated on this podcast. Corgis are infinitely classier than French bulldogs and that's all I have to say about that. But this whole spread with photos of her pink velvet couch in her gazillion dollar Manhattan apartment, her French Bulldogs posted just the other day to the New York Times is this former Bravo star the Democrats Toughest Critic? Is the headline the byline. The reality TV celebrity turned left wing podcaster Jennifer Welch is fed up with President Trump. She also expects better from the Democrats. This coverage paints her as the voice of the people. They say this Jennifer Welch, once a reality television star on Bravo, now, now a commentator on the political left, releases a podcast episode approximately once every seven hours. That cannot be good for your mental health. There's only one reason that this woman is insane, and I'm sure it has a whole lot to do with how often she's releasing footage on the Internet. She starts her day at 5am, drinks four shots of espresso, reads the news on her laptop, absorbs more news from her muted television and and then walks her two French bulldogs to a doggy daycare center across the street from her Manhattan apartment. By 9am she has connected a webcam with her friend and co host Angie Pumps Sullivan in Oklahoma City, where Ms. Welch lived for most of her life. That sounds like the most horrifyingly grim existence on the face of the planet to me. To each their own. I also, I will always say that and I cannot understand how people live their lives like that. I certainly am not absorbing all of the news that I possibly can with an amped up nervous system on four shots of espresso at 5am every single day. But that apparently is the new playbook of this new leader of the left. Later on in this ridiculously long piece. I mean, this thing could have been published as a book. It says this in September, Ms. Welch and Ms. Sullivan, her co host flew to Los Angeles to host an event celebrating 107 days, Kamala Harris's memoir of her failed campaign. And of course, those pictures are all over her Instagram. It's like paparazzi central. But first, before she went to that event, Ms. Welch took a detour to visit. Of all people, the leftist streamer. Hassan Piker spent an hour and a half chatting on his live stream and then joined his podcast to talk some more. In case you need the reminder, Hasan Piker, formerly of the Young Turks, but kicked off because he says way too ridiculous, inflammatory, actually violent things, that it became a liability for the organization to continue employing him. And his voice has gone viral repeatedly over the last several years, but especially the last several months, calling for legitimate violence against those he politically disagrees with. He has previously said that we should let the American streets run red with the blood of capitalists, that he openly celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. He was very controversial during the last several months and has said some really heinous, terrible things about shooting, killing, violently attacking conservatives. Inspiring people like Destiny to adopt the same language. I mean, it is just genuinely beyond the pale what this guy says. But he, of course, is worthy of a detour from this new face of the Democrat Party and the new lingo of the left to do several podcast episodes with the New York Times write that wrote this. Mr. Piker has been a fan of Jennifer's for years, and he introduced Ms. Welch on his show as one of the leaders of the radical wine mom brigade. That's ridiculous, isn't it, Isla? A lightly patronizing framing that nevertheless can work to Ms. Welch's advantage. His audience, he wrote over email, has been, quote, captivated by. By the juxtaposition of a tall, blonde, Anglo Saxon woman from Oklahoma with seemingly endless empathy for the downtrodden. Empathy for the downtrodden? I don't genuinely enjoy hyper examining every single thing that one particular person has said on their podcast. It's just not really my style. I tend to let people air their dirty laundry on their own in public. But to call this woman someone with endless empathy for the downtrodden, when this morning she's calling for Erica Kirk to be kicked to the curb out of polite society and that every time she changes her clothes, which newsflash we all should be doing every day, it's just a sanitary lifestyle. It's a costume change for this grifter who clearly hated her own husband and. And is trying to personally monetize off of that is insane. And that's not the Only thing that she said in the last several weeks. A few weeks ago, on October 28th, Jennifer Welch openly suggested that all of the Democrat establishment of left wing politics in America needs to get on board with wanting conservatives dead or far leftists will come after you the party that the same way that we come after maga. And I'm not paraphrasing here, actually, I am very clearly just quoting what this woman is saying on her own podcast. Listen to this.

Isabelle Brown (16:23)

Yes. So if you are a Democrat politician, if you support the Democrat party, if you are generally a front facing individual on the American political left, if you don't jump on board with this shit, meaning jump on board with laughing about the political assassination of one's opponents. I won't even say enemies. But opponents, if you won't celebrate and call for the death of more people who thought like Charlie Kirk, you are a. You heard her explain that in the words of Ben singing Cardi b p Word back to today's really important episode in a moment. But first, are you looking for a quick but meaningful way to help you engage more deeply with scripture Every single Sunday? You can check out the Breaking the Bread devotionals from our friends at the St. Paul Center. These pocket sized devotionals are stunning full color clothbound companions for your Sunday worship. Every week features rich reflections on the Gospel readings, corresponding teachings from the catechism, and sacred art that brings God's Word to life. Whether you're reading before church, with a cozy cup of coffee in your small group, or during quiet time with God, breaking the bread helps you to slow down, to reflect, and to truly encounter Scripture in a meaningful way. You guys can use code ISABELLE20 to get 20% off the complete set at saintpaulcenter.com breaking the bread set or visit the link in today's show Notes this is insane behavior. This is beyond anything we've ever seen in my lifetime in the zeitgeist of American politics. But maybe it's normal now. I mean, after all, if Hasan Piker is this woman's biggest fan and Hasan Piker says his audience has been completely captivated by her endless empathy for the downtrodden, maybe this is what they actually mean by endless empathy for others. Not wanting their life to be better. Not learning how to coexist with people who think differently than you, not figuring out how do we communicate across the political aisle and bridge this insane divide that is causing people to be violently executed in front of one another, but to actually celebrate said executions and call for even more to get on board with being happy if more people who think like Charlie Kirk would be killed a few weeks ago, right around that same time, the same week in fact, that she was saying that we should jump on board with all of this from the political left, she dedicated a whole segment of her podcast to saying the most nasty, foul, vile things about Riley Gaines. For what? Daring to stand up for women and girls? For saying that penises don't belong in the women's locker room? Something that would have been considered a radically feminist position to take five minutes ago in American history, it turns out, according to this lovely, empathetic, soulful good Christian Jennifer Welch, that lands you on the evil list. Listen to how she Again, endless empathy for the downtrodden talks about Riley Gaines.

Isabelle Brown (22:44)

I guess not. And that's where my heart actually really breaks for this Jennifer Welch person. To be honest, I wasn't wildly familiar with her before this week. Maybe I should have been, because she's apparently the new darling of the left wing podcasting movement that is about this big. There isn't a lot of them for a reason. They don't need the podcasting movement. They have the entire establishment already of legacy media on their side. But I started to connect some dots as I was watching all of these clips this morning, realizing that this is precisely the same problem and why I was so frustrated and frankly, just infuriated sitting on set at CNN last week with Abby Phillips panel show. The very foundational concept of empathy and that's the word that has been used here repeatedly. Hasan Piker, king of empathy, apparently has said that this woman, Jennifer Welch, has, and I quote again, seemingly endless empathy for the downtrodden. Last week when I was on cnn, we were talking about some pretty heavy topics. We were talking about the. The strike against the Venezuelan drug boat coming into our country and how our country was handling that. We were talking about redistricting efforts and how many people are accusing that of being a racially driven efforts in places like Texas. It's not, by the way, and we can talk about that at length ad nauseum another time. But we started unpacking these. And political violence, by the way, the arresting of the pipe BOMBER, Brian Cole Jr. Years, years, years later than it actually happened on January 6, 2021. And as we started to unpack these topics, clearly I was just there to be the metaphorical punching bag. It happens a lot. Unfortunately, they weren't actually interested in just having me be the token conservative that we could have a conversation back and forth about. They just wanted to talk over me the entire time. Every question that Abby Phillips asked me on her show last week, within two words of me replying, she just immediately started talking over me. So she wasn't interested remotely in having Americans from all different backgrounds figure out how to talk to each other like her show is advertised and starts as with the opening credits. Instead, she just wanted to hear herself talk, which is unfortunate, but does tend to happen on cnn. But the entire panel, with the exception of one other individual who was great, by the way, didn't at all have a frame of reference for where conservatives were generally coming from when it comes to addressing the rampant political violence, the increasing violent rhetoric against people on the other side of the aisle, or just generally trying to serve people through more hands on community involvement rather than political involvement. Anything I remotely suggested basically had me backed into the corner as the racist on the panel. They didn't use that word, but they didn't need to. They basically said that just speaks volumes about the type of person you are when it comes to race. Okay, we all know what you're saying there. And it created this toxic, twisted version of empathy where the people sitting around the table. My daughter's being very loud. I'm so sorry, you guys. The people sitting around the table genuinely considered themselves to be the heroes and I was the villain. They were these empathetic, soft, loving, soft touch people who just wanted to help the downtrodden, who just wanted to help the marginalized. And ironically, in the process, they actually ended up feeding into the problem. Ali Beth Stuckey just wrote her latest book about this, and if you haven't read the book, Toxic Empathy, I cannot recommend it because this is clearly the pandemic of political leftism that we have seen spread across the entire globe. Toxic Empathy, where you look in the mirror and you think that you are a saint, but in reality, the things that you are advocating for, the things that you are an apologist for, the things that you are making excuses for are destroying people's lives, they are ripping apart their livelihood, they are putting people in direct line of sight from for dangerous situations and they are tearing down our society with every passing day while we try to dramatically change culture for the better, away from violence that we're seeing in society. One of the most important ways we can do that is ending violence against our preborn children. This Christmas season you can help to actually change a life. Make that two lives. Picture a young woman who has just found out that she's pregnant and she wasn't expecting it. She's scared. Maybe she doesn't have that much support and she isn't sure what her options really are. 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So they took out, in case you didn't know all of this or didn't know the background for all of this, took out a boat that was smuggling massive amounts of cocaine into the country. They had the intelligence on this. They proved it. They ended up taking out the boat. But it took two strikes to take out this boat and the people that were hell bent on bringing cocaine into America illegally. I brought up this very sentient point, if I may say so myself, that there is a very clear humanitarian crisis associated with drug trafficking operations coming across the southern border on maritime operations or through land. And it is not the humanitarianism of the drug traffickers. It is what happens once the drugs they bring to America get here. Fentanyl is the leading cause of death in America today for Americans age 18 to 45. In 2023, 77,000 people overdo overdosed on synthetic opioids like fentanyl. And fentanyl, by the way, overdoses now kill people in America three times at a higher rate than firearm homicides do. So if we're really serious about protecting people, if we're really serious about empathy, if we're really serious about human rights and a humanitarian crisis, it is absolutely appropriate to be taking out violent drug cartels that are hell bent on killing as many innocent people in America as possible. That's what I tried to say on cnn. Unfortunately, two words into this experience was just screamed at. And of course it was actually really evil because this boat wasn't carrying fentanyl, it was carrying cocaine, which is okay to bring into America. Isabel, I was lectured. Listen to this nonsense.

Isabelle Brown (32:33)

And then everyone freaked out at me, naturally. But it was cocaine. It was cocaine. It wasn't fentanyl. So it's okay then. Actually, it was okay. It was okay. Isabel, you're so insane for suggesting that we should be stopping the flow of illegal drugs into our country that can cause people to overdose and die. That's actually the real empathy driven position is to protect the violent drug cartels, not the people who will be subject to drug overdoses, including those who never signed up to be drug addicts. Just people who are overdosing on this stuff day in and day out when it is snuck into all kinds of stuff that. That's really what empathy actually looks like. Thanks for your contribution, though. And this type of, oh my God, like, just freak out outrage over anything that I said continued to escalate throughout the entirety of the panel. That was our first segment that we talked about. We then moved into the redistricting efforts in Texas and how the Republican state legislature and the Republican governor in a heavily Republican state are going out of their way to make sure that congressional districts are more representative of the people who actually live in Texas, who, by the way, are vast majority of conservative Republicans. The exact same way California is doing this for Democrats. The talking point from the left for the last few weeks on this effort has been, well, black people tend to vote for Democrats So if you redraw congressional districts to potentially more favor a conservative or Republican candidate, you are disenfranchising black people from voting. Apparently, that's news to me. The Supreme Court, of course, did not find that to be the case. In a 6 to 3 decision last week, they said there was not sufficient evidence that this was racially motivated whatsoever. It was motivated on a partisan basis, which a partisan state government does have the constitutional right to do. Just as Texas is redistricting for more Republican seats, California is redistricting for more Democrat seats. It's not racist. That's what ended up being decided at the Supreme Court last week. I brought that up, and that guy who was lecturing me about cocaine versus fentanyl, his name is Charles Blow.

Isabelle Brown (34:57)

This his name? Uh, I'd never heard of this person before I was on CNN with him last week. He apparently writes a column for the New York Times, like, every five weeks or something. And that's his claim to fame. Lives mostly in Atlanta, but comes up to be on cnn. He blew up in my face. There you go. Blew up in my face. About how that just speaks volumes about the type of person you are, that you're trying to disenfranchise black people, AKA Isabel, you're a racist for saying, breaking news. A red state is trying to get more red seats, and a blue state is trying to get more blue seats. But again, toxic empathy. Toxic empathy. Just as Jennifer Welch considers herself to be the poster child of loving wine moms trying to stand up for women by calling a strong woman, trying to keep men out of women's spaces a twat and a dumb B word and stupid and a fake Christian, and she adorns this iron of empathy. Does this guy not realize that just blanketly assuming all black people are Democrats is blatantly racist like that is the actual racism in this situation. And nobody really wants to say that because it's not politically sexy to say. But if you have the IQ of a squirrel and you genuinely believe that all black people, all brown people, all Asian people, all women, all whatever, just based on their biological differences, are inherently voting for the Democrat Party, that is actual racism, not any sort of redistricting effort on a partisan basis to make your state legislature, to make your congressional representatives, et cetera, more representative of the people who happen to live in that place, toxic empathy strikes again. We ended this panel talking about the pipe bomber, and this is where things get really, really interesting, if you ask me. Uh, turns out CNN kind of lost their minds about the arrest of this guy, Brian Cole Jr. We'll put his picture up on the screen for you in the few segments before I joined with Abby Phillips. Jake Tapper, in all of his infinite wisdom and journalistic integrity called this guy a 30 year old white man. I don't know, you guys can fact check me on this. If that has yet been corrected formally by cnn. I doubt it. Let's look it up right now. Actually, let's ask chat because I doubt that anything has happened. Has CNN corrected the statement that Brian Cole Jr. Was a white man.

Isabelle Brown (37:39)

Oh, they did correct it. Well done. Jake Tapper did correct it over the weekend. I mistakenly said that the suspect was white. Obviously, as the photo revealed, he's black. Well, I rarely say this. More power to you and more credit to you, Jake Tapper, but the fact that that's where your brain immediately went. Attack the white man, blame the white man. 30 year old white man. This is the programming of this toxic empathy that has happened for years. Right? So we start talking about this pipe bomber suspect, Brian Cole Jr. Who allegedly planted the pipe bombs outside of the DNC and the RNC on January 5, 2021 that were later discovered on January 6. Immediately, by the way, within minutes, the media went out of their way in a stupor and craze on January 6, 2021 to associate this guy with the MAGA people at the Capitol walking into the Capitol building that he purposefully planted these bombs outside of the DNC and the RNC to foment chaos and to detract from law enforcement's response on January 6th at the Capitol that this guy was a clear MAGA insane insurrectionist, blah blah, blah, blah blah. We don't know that. But that's what the media rushed to say on January 6, 2021. And then of course they didn't arrest him for five years. Five years, when I'm pretty sure we probably had the intelligence to do that. So makes you wonder about the political motivations of this guy. Abby Phillip had the audacity on her show on CNN last week to ask me if the bomber had been found earlier, if he had been found right after January 6th, would he have gotten the same treatment as all of the other people who were pardoned by Donald trump of the January 6th, the j6thirs of which I said obviously not. Someone walking into a building, which is a crime, someone walking into a building after someone has opened the door for them is not the same thing as planting pipe bombs in multiple locations around the city in the attempt to Kill hundreds of people. Those are not morally equivalent conversations to have. Obviously, that person would not have been pardoned. And by the way, Donald Trump did not pardon every single person that was there on January 6, 2021. And I tried to explain to her unsuccessfully, because, again, two words into all of my answers, she just immediately has to talk over me, that there is a fundamental difference between violent crime of, like, beating a police officer and someone walking through a door. These are two very, very different situations. There's obviously the underlying layer of political prosecution that was happening after January 6, where many of these people who truly just walked into a building did not have a fair and fast and speedy trial. Uh, they were just waiting in prison basically indefinitely with zero due process. It was just absolutely insane. So here's her asking me, if this bomber was prosecuted with other January Sixers, would Trump have pardoned him? The. This, by the way, happened two seconds after this guy, Charles Blow, again, blew up in my face. No pun intended. As we're talking about a pipe bomb saying. Let's just state the obvious here. Let's just state the obvious here. Brian Cole Jr. Is a black man, so of course he wouldn't have been pardoned by Donald Trump basically asking for the pardoning of a pipe bomber. This is toxic empathy. Watch this.

Isabelle Brown (47:41)

On January 6, 2021. But at the same time, he's also MAGA and none of those people should have been pardoned. The mental gymnastics is ridiculous. Just like the media has gone completely off the rails. Espousing all of the wrong values and toxic empathy. Have you ever noticed how so many of the shows that kids are watching these days are teaching really harmful messages? Even the ones that look pretty innocent at first are pushing things like gender confusion, which is violence. Let's be very clear of castration on like 7 year olds. You can't possibly monitor every idea that your kid encounters, but you as their parent can decide who gets to to shape your child's worldview. That's exactly why I love what our friends at Brave Books are doing. Brave is a Christian children's publishing company that is helping parents to raise our kids with character, with conviction and with a very clear sense of what is right and wrong. Every month they send your family a beautifully illustrated story that teaches biblically based values like courage, honesty and faith and love of country. And with their new streaming platform, Brave plus, you will have a whole library of wholesome trusted shows and movies and vetted by real parents that is included free with your subscription. So if you want to take back control over what is shaping your kids hearts and minds, you guys can go to bravebooks.com isabel and use code isabelle for 20% off your first order. Again, that is bravebooks.com isabel with code isabel. And this breaks my heart. It does. Because the end result of that is not just mean name calling. The end result of that is not just people getting canceled on the Internet. The end result of that is not just people getting a bad grade on a test or getting kicked out of school or losing their job. The end result of that is political violence. Make no mistake about it. The regular repeated insinuation or just direct allegation that anyone who thinks differently than you is a racist, is a Nazi, is is homophobic, is transphobic, is a fascist, is da da da da da has created this systematic narrative in people's minds and now in society at large that if you really are an empathetic person, if you really care about your neighbor, if you really want to help people, it is your solemn moral duty and obligation to take these people out. There is a clip from C Span kind of recirculating on social media these last couple of days of an author and an owner of an organization called Black Nificent Books. Magnificent but with black thrown in their blacknificent books saying on C Span testifying before the United States government that black people have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve problems in our society. This is the end result of constantly calling everyone who thinks different than you A racist. Listen to this.

Isabelle Brown (55:07)

We cannot continue to live like this. But the good news is we don't have to. We don't have to live like this. We don't have to constantly feel like we are in a hot pot that is on the precipice of boiling over when it comes to the political temperature in this country. And the answer to that is that there are things bigger than politics. The irony of a lot of these people is that they call you a fake Christian when you call for people to come together in Christianity. But that's exactly what I am going to do today. And I couldn't think of a more appropriate day for us to do that than December 8, which is the day in which the Church celebrates the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the Mother of God. And if you don't know the story of the Immaculate Conception, this is the the day that we celebrate when Mary was conceived. And we consider Mary to be unique among all women because she was preemptively given the grace in heaven before she was born by God outside of time and space to be preserved from sin so that she could be the perfect vessel to bring Jesus Christ into the world. The same way the Ark of the Covenant held the perfect embodiment of God and the literal presence of God. And like your face would melt off Indiana Jones style if you opened it and you weren't ordained to open it. That is the level of holiness that was needed in the woman to bring God incarnate into the world. And I've been thinking a lot about Mary the last several weeks. I hope that we will end up doing a full episode on Mary in the next few weeks in the midst of Advent, in this beautiful season as we are drawing near and near to Jesus Christ coming into the world and God incarnate becoming our Savior. But Mary is the perfect embodiment of humility. Mary was not interested in being a figurehead for society. She wasn't interested in personal glory or fame. She never probably Dreamed of something like that. This was a peasant, poor teenager, uneducated woman in Judea at the time of Christ, in the midst of the height of persecution in the Roman Empire. This was the last possible earthly way anyone could have imagined the Messiah to choose to enter the world was through the womb of this woman. But Mary, more than any person in human history, is the perfect example of complete and total submission to God. To say, less of me, more of you, even if that means sharing my literal body with you, it is not about me. It is entirely about you, God, and use me at your will, so it be done. Imagine if everyone, regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, had the humility to say that to ourselves today. Every person.

Isabelle Brown (61:28)

And so, as annoyed as I get and as angry as I get and as frustrated as I get at the Jennifer Welches of the world and the Charles Blows of the world and the Abby Phillip of the world Phillips of the world, all I can do is pray for a radical conversion of people's hearts to stop normalizing increased calls for othering and violence and vitriol that I am seeing from these people with some of the loudest microphones on the planet. And similarly, I hope that those people are praying for me too, that I can set aside my my personal agenda to constantly be seeking objective truth and to constantly be attempting to serve the least of these, which is what we are all called to do as Christians. So I guess that's the message of this Monday rant as I come back from a beautiful, beautiful weekend with my family and celebrating my sister and doing all the fun Christmas things. Christmas is meaningless if it's not centered around Jesus and, and similarly our life is meaningless, our humanity is meaningless, our culture is meaningless if we don't have a common shared moral foundation of one nation under God. Today I just encourage you to take five to ten minutes and pray. Drop everything, hit your knees, literally, and pray for all of the people who you consider to be your political enemies today. Perhaps if that was our response, rather than turning up that temperature dial, we might be able to resurrect this idea of a United States of America again. And that is at the top of my Christmas list this year. Rant over, I promise, but I had to get that off my chest. Boy, that was a frustrating CNN segment. I want to know from you because frankly, I could do away with never doing CNN ever again. Do you guys want to see us on that network still, every once in a while going into the lion's den and trying to change people's minds. If you want to keep seeing me on cnn, let us know in the comments. If otherwise, you're like Isabelle, we got way more important battles to fight. Let us know that in the comments as well. Hang in there in the midst of all of this insane, crazy rhetoric that we are hearing normalized on the Internet every day. And no that you, no matter whether you agree with me or not, you are a beautiful human being created with a divine purpose, created by the God of the universe. And you are worthy of love, of dignity, of protection, of equality and the right to speak your mind. And we are going to honor that day in and day out here on the Isabel Brown show today and every day afterwards. Fun surprise episode coming to you tomorrow because I've got to go hit the road for a special event here in D.C. this afternoon. Can't wait to share with you guys very, very soon.