From "You Should’ve Been Aborted" To Fighting Planned Parenthood

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Isabel Brown Show

Episode: "From 'You Should’ve Been Aborted' To Fighting Planned Parenthood"
Date: August 4, 2026
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Ryan Bomberger (Co-founder, The Radiance Foundation)

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Overview

This episode explores the deeply personal and activist journey of Ryan Bomberger, a prominent pro-life advocate, adoptee, and author of Should Have Been Aborted. Together with Isabel Brown, they discuss the cultural and spiritual battles surrounding abortion, the targeting of minority communities by organizations like Planned Parenthood, family policy, the meaning of adoption, and the vital importance of defending the most vulnerable. This episode is both an intimate story and a bold call to action, challenging listeners to consider the intersection of faith, facts, and feelings in today’s social debates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ryan's Origin Story and the Power of Testimony

• Personal Narrative: Ryan recounts growing up as the first of ten adopted children in a blended, multiethnic family. He did not learn the full truth—that he was conceived in rape and chosen for life—until age 13.
  • Quote: “I realized that when you take something from the abstract to the tangible, it changes people’s perspectives.” (04:36)
• Motivation to Speak Out: His drive to share his story is fueled by the prevalence of exceptions (rape, incest, “hard cases”) being used as mainstays in abortion debates.
  • “I call them the heart cases.” (04:36)
• Book & Documentary: The writing and recent publication of his book was catalyzed by meeting his birth family after a lifetime of searching—a profound moment that gave closure and inspiration. (06:35–07:00)

Memorable Moment

• First Public Testimony:
  • “It was weeks later I made a speech, persuasion speech for eighth grade… For the first time, I’m sharing with my friends my own story. And I watched the way friends reacted... I knew at the age of 13 that I had a story to tell.” (09:18–09:36)

2. Emotional vs. Factual Communication in the Abortion Debate

• Feelings as a Vehicle for Facts:
  • Isabel: “For Gen Z in particular, you have to use feelings as a vehicle to communicate facts, especially when talking about these heart-wrenching issues.” (01:28)
  • Ryan: “To not acknowledge the spiritual dimension to all this is not acknowledging what’s actually going on. It’s a spiritual war, first and foremost.” (01:53)

3. The Foundations and Real Impact of Planned Parenthood

• Historical Roots:
  • Isabel details the eugenics background of Planned Parenthood and founder Margaret Sanger, quoting:
    • “We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...” (14:21)
• Current Targeting:
  • “Planned Parenthood...is literally the leading killer of Black lives. And they call themselves an anti-racist organization.” (17:16)
  • NY and urban abortion statistics reveal stark racial disparities (15:02–17:47).

Notable Quote

• "Right as of no sex, truth is of no color. God is the father of us all. We are all brethren."
  — Frederick Douglass, cited by Ryan (16:44)

4. The Web of Pro-Abortion Advocacy: Planned Parenthood, ACLU, NAACP

• Systemic Racism in Action:
  • “What’s more systemic than a government-funded entity that disproportionately kills Black lives?” (19:05)
• Legal Battles:
  • Radiance Foundation’s billboard campaigns and subsequent lawsuits (e.g., NAACP suing Ryan's foundation for parodying their name as "National Association for the Abortion of Colored People") and media suppression experiences (20:55–22:33).
• Intersectionality:
  • These organizations, along with BLM, create an intertwined network of activism that, in Ryan’s view, enhances the marginalization of vulnerable communities while posturing as their advocates (22:33–24:45).

5. Redefinition of Humanity and the Erosion of the Family

• Marxist Tactics & Loss of Shared Values:
  • “...the things that are attributed to whiteness...driving a wedge. This is pure Marxist tactic.” (24:54)
  • Attacks on the nuclear family, affirmative action, and ‘equity grading’ as examples of the “bigotry of low expectations.” (24:45–26:33)

Memorable Quote

• “The strength of our society is not in how we destroy the weak, it’s in how we defend the weak.” (27:37)

6. Heart (Hard) Cases: How Exceptions Dominate the Debate

• Using Rare Cases to Justify Most Abortions:
  • “They use that all the time to justify because they don’t want to talk about the 99%.” (27:37)
• Punishing the Innocent Over the Guilty:
  • “They never want to talk about punishing the rapist, but what they end up doing is punishing the woman [with abortion].” (27:37–29:00)
  • Legal double standards: rapists can’t be given the death penalty, but unborn babies can be killed “for any reason.” (29:00)

7. College Campus Culture Wars

• Hostility to Pro-Life Advocates:
  • Describes campus protests, particularly at Harvard, where Ryan’s lived experience was dismissed as “a cute story” by a Women’s Studies professor (35:00–38:42).
  • Hostile Campus Climates:
    • “So many students are taught to fear and not to think.” (35:00)
• Breaking Through with Testimony and Prayer:
  • “Prayer first. For us, especially as Christians, to not acknowledge the spiritual dimension to all this is not acknowledging what’s actually going on.” (43:07)

Notable Quote

• “We’re not battling flesh and blood...we have to understand this is a spiritual battle.” (45:10)

8. Family Policy, Fatherlessness, and Evolving Bioethical Debates

• Importance of Fathers:
  • “Promoting fatherhood...children who grow up in homes without fathers are five times more likely to be in poverty.” (49:43)
  • Stats on fatherlessness in the Black community: now 72% compared to 25% in the 1960s. (48:32–49:43)
• Challenges to the Family Unit:
  • New threats: surrogacy, single-parent and non-traditional family structures, commodification of children (Men Having Babies, commercial surrogacy), and the ethics of IVF. (51:48–55:49)
  • “Not every form of building a family is ethical.” (53:46)
  • Warning of a “Wild West” of human commodification, citing advances like artificial wombs. (55:01–56:00)

9. Adoption: The True Story vs. "Adoption Trauma" Narratives

• Countering Negativity:
  • Recent trend on social media and even in some churches to frame adoption as inherently traumatic or “lesser.”
    • “As Christians, we work to alleviate pain and suffering...Trauma should be a reference point, not a resting place.” (59:13)
  • Defends adoption as an act of mercy, justice, and love.
    • “Nobody’s better off dead. We’re all better off loved.” (60:51)
• Transracial Adoption:
  • Rejects the argument that children should only be adopted within their own race. “Don’t give me that garbage... They want to be loved by a mom and a dad and have that stability and permanence of home.” (62:50)
• Call to Action for Churches & Christians:
  • “If one third of these churches chose to adopt, we could eliminate all the children waiting for a home... Adoption is love.” (63:58–65:36)

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Notable Quotes and Timestamps

• On the unique power of personal story:
  • “I call them the heart cases...when you take something from the abstract to the tangible, it changes people’s perspectives.” [04:36]
• On Planned Parenthood and race:
  • “Black people are our base. Of course they are.” [17:45]
• On the pro-abortion left and exceptions:
  • “They never want to talk about punishing the rapist, but what they end up doing is punishing the woman. Physiologically, emotionally…the woman is going to be impacted.” [27:37–29:00]
• Spiritual warfare in activism:
  • “It is not a cultural war. It is a spiritual war first and foremost.” [01:53], [43:07]
• On adoption:
  • “Adoption is the essence of salvation…There is no salvation without adoption. It’s God’s framework for making us sons and daughters through Jesus.” [59:13]
  • “Trauma should be a reference point, not a resting place.” [59:13]

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Key Timestamps

• Ryan’s story & book – [02:16–07:00]
• Adoption in his family – [07:16–09:36]
• Early activism, foundation origins – [10:40–12:56]
• Planned Parenthood, historical and current racism – [13:42–18:38]
• Legal/media battles; NAACP, ACLU, intersectionality – [18:38–24:45]
• Cultural “redefinition of humanity,” Marxist critique – [24:45–27:37]
• Debate technique: facts & feelings – [31:21–35:00]
• Campus activism, Harvard experience – [35:00–38:42]
• Spiritual dimension – [43:07–45:41]
• Family, fatherlessness, “building” families, IVF/technology – [48:32–56:00]
• Adoption debate, personal experience vs. trauma narratives – [57:37–65:36]

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Conclusion and Takeaways

Ryan Bomberger’s testimony both personalizes and challenges the mainstream narratives around abortion, adoption, and family. By insisting on the value of every human life—regardless of circumstance—he exposes the inconsistencies and, in his view, the deep harms perpetuated by organizations like Planned Parenthood and their ideological allies. Citing history, faith, facts, and experience, both he and Isabel urge listeners to resist emotionally manipulative tactics with both compassion and truth, to support adoption, and to reinvigorate support for the family—rooted in an unyielding belief that every life has purpose.

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Connect Further:

• The Radiance Foundation: Radiance Life
• Ryan’s book: Should Have Been Aborted (details at the Radiance Foundation website)

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Final Word:
“Adoption is love. I know it as an adoptee, I know it as an adoptive father... Just open your heart to adoption. It just shows you the incredible heart of God.” —Ryan Bomberger [63:58–65:36]

Transcript

[Ryan Bomberger]

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[Ryan Bomberger]

I just pray that my life and my story give people the tangible side of things. That there's another side of the story that mainstream media never wants to talk about because our narratives prove them wrong. How devastating those lies are, that somehow a woman who's in that fear and that confusion, like my birth mom was, that she can't rise above. And they think that the solution, that the healing for her is the violence of abortion. I think the strength of our society is not in how we destroy the weak, it's in how we defend the weak. They don't ever want to talk about the rapist, punishing the rapist, but what they end up doing is punishing the woman. Because physiologically, emotionally, it doesn't matter the reason for the abortion. The woman is going to be impacted. The reality is planned parent does not end your sexual abuse. They hide it, they cover it up. And those who talk about rape culture, how are you fighting it? You're actually empowered and you're enabling it all the time.

[Isabel Brown]

I really think that for Generation Z in particular, you have to use feelings as a vehicle to communicate facts, especially when talking about these heart wrenching issues. But when I see the irrational screaming and the meltdowns and the anger and the throwing things and the completely insane behavior, more often than not when people behave like that, it's because they themselves have had an abortion or multiple and there's like a deeper level of evil within them that they're trying to reconcile with.

[Ryan Bomberger]

To not acknowledge the spiritual dimension to all this is not acknowledging what's actually going on. It is not a cultural war. It is a spiritual war, first and foremost.

[Isabel Brown]

Ryan Bomberger, I am so excited to have you on the Isabel Brown Show. We were just trying to remember the last time we saw each other and we can't because there's too many things that we're always working on. But for those who aren't very familiar with you and the work that you do, can you give us a brief overview?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Sure. My name is Ryan Bomberger. I'm the co founder and chief creative officer of the Radiance foundation, an organization that my wife and I founded back in 2009. We wanted to be able to talk about the tough stuff and, and to equip people to talk about these culture shaping issues. So we started the Radiance Foundation. We had three kids at the time, two in diapers. Didn't know a thing about the pro life movement. Didn't know a thing actually at the time about Planned Parenthood. Knew a lot about adoption since that's my background. But we started the Ratings foundation to be able to illuminate, educate and motivate. So we've been doing that ever since. And that's kind of me in a nutshell. Most important things though about me, with all the lists that can be said. I'm a husband and a father. They are the two most important roles in my life.

[Isabel Brown]

And how old are your kids and who are they?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Kids are getting older and older. In fact, we'll have three in college this fall. So I have a 21 year old, an 18 year old, a 17 year old and a 15 year old who's soon to be the only child. And he can't wait because. Yeah, they're. They're shipping off.

[Isabel Brown]

Yep, right in the peak of teenage years. I love that. Well, I had to give you a chance to brag about your kids because every parent always wants to. But you wear a lot of different hats. Between the radius or the radiant foundation and the work that you do with your family. You had a new hat be popped on your head the last couple of months with the public publication of your new book, should have been Aborted, which we have right here. It is extremely compelling and I highly recommend everyone read it on your website for the book. You have a really beautiful excerpt in here that I'd love to read and then have you tell us a little bit more about it. Well, you should have been aborted, the Harvard student yelled in my face. He added some profane epithets as if daring me to respond. It wasn't the first time and it wouldn't be the last. I've been told this so many times throughout my life. I lost countless. I am the 1% used 100% of the time to justify abortion. Even though my birth mom was the victim of horrible violence of rape, she didn't make me a victim of the violence of abortion because of her incredible courage. I'm still here. And you go on to talk about the aclu, Planned Parenthood, the NAACP for saying that you are the evil perpetrator of oppression by sharing your Family's story. But I have long been compelled by this story of yours because our generation, in particular the generation of your kids, has been so deeply programmed to believe that 1%, 100% of the time, doesn't deserve to live. What compelled you to share your story publicly and to put it in this format as a book?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Well, first learning about my story, how I came to be. The first time I ever shared it was actually 8th grade, but as far as through the Radiance foundation, just knowing that everyone goes to the exceptions cases all the time, I mean, it doesn't matter. They always go to the exceptions cases. Or some people call them the hard cases. I call them the heart cases. But I realized that when you make something or take something from the abstract to the tangible, it changes people's perspectives. And so I would start speaking on college campuses, and I'd have students who would come up after the session, and they would say, well, we hated you when you came in, but you actually made us think about something we've never thought about before. So I knew that I had a story to tell. And this book I actually started back in 2009. And because we got so busy, because we were thrown into this, when we started the Radiance foundation, we weren't expecting the mainstream media response. We weren't expecting the public's response. And all of a sudden, we realized that we had a lot of work to do. And so that kind of got shelved. But it was actually an experience last fall, last October. My whole life, I've never had connection with biological family. And so through many years of searching, many years of dead ends, literal dead ends. In fact, my birth mom, I found out when I got my birth certificate that she passed away. So that was 2023. So fast forward to 2025, October. I had a name and a number of the last surviving sister of my birth mom. Her name is Carol. So my wife and I were supposed to be keynote speakers at a pregnancy center banquet the next day. I decide minutes before we're supposed to leave for that trip, I'm gonna call this number. And, oh, my gosh, I called the number. And I was nervous as. I mean, my neck was just, like, pounding. I could barely get words out. And I finally just said. I asked her if she knew my birth mom, Sharon. Yes, Sharon was my sister. And I said, In 1971, Sharon had a baby. And that baby was me. And her first reaction was, oh, no, no. I always wanted to hold you. So that's what inspired me, because I felt like oh, my word. I've been waiting to do this book. I now have the closing chapter to the book because that led into me connecting with birth family. I mean, I was loved like crazy by my. And most of the time by my 12 other siblings. I was loved like crazy. But having this connection last fall is what led me to not only writing this book, but also doing the documentary of the same name. Should have been aborted.

[Isabel Brown]

It's so powerful. And I'm in tears already hearing you talk about this, but I'm so curious how you were exposed to this as a kid to begin with. You say that you shared your experience publicly for the very first time in eighth grade. How did your adoptive parents take it upon themselves to share your origin story with you in the first place?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Yes. Well, just so you understand. So I grew up in a family at Lancsker County, Pennsylvania. 15. In our family, there are 13 kids. I was the first of 10 adopted by Henry and Andrea Bomberger. Love my parents like crazy. But it wasn't hard to know that there was something different about those who were adopted since most of us were brown. I'm. I'm mixed with, like, everything. I mean, literally, I'm, you know, Greek, Italian, British, German, Nigerian, Sierra Leonean. I'm part Asian. Let's see, what else? Oh, part Native American. More Native American than Elizabeth Warren. But then again, everybody is right.

[Isabel Brown]

She's right down the street. Maybe we should go knock on your door. Hey, how.

[Ryan Bomberger]

But I'm this mixture of. So it's not hard to see. My parents are white. I knew I was adopted, so I understood that part of my story. But my mom thought she told me was some of the gritty and the painful part of my origin story. I didn't understand it until I was 13. We were in a. I'll just call it a conversation. I was a headstrong kid, a bullhead kid.

[Isabel Brown]

We all ended up being activists for a job.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Right, Exactly. So the conversation was kind of tense. And in that conversation is when I learned the truth of my origin story, which was devastating to have your whole narrative of how you came to be rewritten. But because I was loved so much by my parents, I turned something that could have been. I mean, when you're 13, you're a teenager. The tumultuous years. Oh, hey, let's throw a rewrite of your whole origin story. But I took that and that's. It was weeks later that I made a speech, persuasion speech for eighth grade. And so that's what led me. But that's how my mom conveyed that to me. And she was heartbroken because she thought that she had conveyed it. Well, she did numerous times prior, but I didn't know what the word rape meant. Yeah. So in our family, we talk about adoption openly. I mean, it's kind of hard not to when 10 of the 13 kids are adopted. It was such a normal and natural process. But finding out the particulars was definitely in a one on one conversation.

[Isabel Brown]

What was your speech in eighth grade about?

[Ryan Bomberger]

It was about abortion. And it was. And this is public school, eighth grade, public school. In fact, I got brochures, I remember, from Pro Life Action League and from Heartbeat International. Now, I'm older than you are, of course, and I would cut out all these pieces. I had my trifold display and everything.

[Isabel Brown]

We had to make those, too. I'm a little older than you may

[Ryan Bomberger]

give me credit for, but it was through that that I realized that not only can I talk about this issue, I can make it deeply personal. For the first time, I'm sharing with my friends my own story. And I watched the way that friends reacted. I watched the way my teacher reacted. She was in tears. And I knew at the age of 13 that I had a story to tell. And so, yeah, that eighth grade persuasion speech with Mrs. Jennings was my teacher at the time. And in public school, where I was not prohibited, not kept from being able to talk about the realities. I mean, they were explicit photos that I had right there in front of the class. There was no tempering it at all. In fact, I think it's funny, here we are in 2026, and so many people just. We don't really need to show. I think everyone needs to see it. I don't think everyone needs to be forced to see it, but I think everyone needs to see the horrific violence of abortion.

[Isabel Brown]

And incredibly, that launched your career into persuasive speeches like it for the rest of your life and trying to expose the truth about the abortion industry.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Yeah.

[Isabel Brown]

Tell us about what that journey looked like for you in those early years and what that means for you now.

[Ryan Bomberger]

When I got my master's degree from Regent University, I wanted to search for my birth mom. That's. That's when that all started. And then, you know, I met the love of my life, Bethany. And it was at a planning meeting for a pregnancy center benefit concert that I was the lead singer in a group. We were headlining that. And so that's when I first met Bethany. I remember we both saw each other and we're like, who's that.

[Isabel Brown]

Who's that?

[Ryan Bomberger]

We fell in love at first sight, which I think is awesome, because the work that we do through the Radiance foundation is often lifting up these amazing pregnancy centers. 3,000 across the country, and we've been in hundreds and hundreds of them. But we started the Ratings foundation when we were married back in 2009, and we just felt this. This calling. My wife was a teacher for 13 years in the public and private schools. I was a creative director in Ad Agency World. But we felt called because we felt like often Christians were either afraid or just unequipped to talk about these issues and some inextricably tied issues like fatherlessness and poverty and things of that nature. And so we started the Radiance foundation thinking, you know what? We're going to be loved. People are going to love my personal story. They're going to love Bethany's personal story of being a single mom. And it didn't really go that way. We did our first billboard campaign in Atlanta, which was called toomanaborted.com and we were highlighting the history of racism and the present racism of the abortion industry, particularly Planned Parenthood. And so we placed about 60 billboards in the Atlanta area along with Georgia Right to Life and my good friend Kathryn Davis. And, wow, things got crazy. I mean, New York Times, L.A. times, USA Today, CNN. I mean, it was everywhere. And then people were contacting us and they could not understand. Wait, wait a minute. They could not reconcile this with their, you know, their caricature of who was pro life. And so they tried to demonize me, or if they couldn't demonize me, they would just skip me. So NPR did an interview with me 45 minutes offline when the piece came out and All Things Considered, they didn't consider me important enough to be in a campaign about the campaign that I designed, the campaign our organization released. And so they omitted me from the entire piece. Had three pro abortion perspectives and one pro life perspective. We realized right away how fake news is when New York Times journalists. I'm using that term really loosely.

[Isabel Brown]

It's a generous term, frankly.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Yes. I think her name is Shila Dewan. She contacted me about our campaign, and I would give her numbers from the cdc. And she says, wow, this sounds so conspiratorial. And I'm like, it's not conspiratorial. These are actually the CDC's numbers. Granted, CDC is dubious in many ways. That's a whole other issue. But we realized right away, wow, mainstream media is not interested in the truth. And so that started our journey of actually battling against mainstream media, battling against organizations like the ACLU that denounce us and Planned Parenthood and other organizations like the naacp. But we realized truth wasn't enough. And so our passion was really fusing the emotional with the evidential to try to get things that resonate with people about the value of every human life planned or unplanned.

[Isabel Brown]

Let's start with Planned Parenthood, because I'm interested in getting into this a bit. Planned Parenthood is my arch nemesis. Frankly, I consider it a huge badge of honor that they have blocked me and my dog's Instagram account across social media because they really don't want me to see what they're posting. We find it anyway, obviously. But this is an organization that has really touted itself on being all about empowerment, particularly for what we deem to be marginalized communities. Certainly is the face of women's empowerment for the women of my generation. But they also claim to be crusading on behalf of minority communities and particularly the black community in America. That's never been true objectively. And it takes the easiest, simplest Google search of all time to realize the very foundation of Planned Parenthood. Started by Margaret Sanger, known eugenicist and associate of the Eugenics association. The real foundations were to exterminate any sort of marginalized population from society entirely. I mean, it was Margaret Sanger who actually wrote in her personal writings, we do not want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any more of their rebellious members, that is, the church should lie about this on behalf of our organization. That's one of literally countless quotes about those with disabilities, about minority populations, from a race perspective, about so much.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Right.

[Isabel Brown]

And yet we say that she's the crusader of women's rights and the crusader of humanity in many different ways. When we look back through this revisionist history, the same is true today. And I don't think people have any sort of understanding for how directly Planned Parenthood targets the black population in America. But it's happening before our very eyes today in New York City. You are more likely to, as a baby in the womb, to be aborted than you are to be born. Yes, and we call that human rights. We call that anti racism. That is point blank, directly racism. And yet they tell you that as a man of color, you are not allowed to even have an opinion about abortion, let alone be pro life. Back to it with Ryan in just a second. But first, one of the things I love the most about his story is that he saw a need for something out there that didn't exist yet with his organization, the Radiance foundation and made it happen. And I think one of the biggest traps that our generation tends to fall into is that we think the only way to make real money is to work for someone else. But I know so many people who have incredible ideas. They design apparel, they make food, they start world changing organizations. But often they just never want to take the leap because it can sound so intimidating to take the first step. It doesn't have to be though. Thanks to our friends at Shopify, Shopify takes care of everything when you are getting ready to launch your business, from setting up your online store to making checkout so unbelievably seamless, returning customers don't even have to put in any of their information again because it's already saved from the last time they supported your business. And while Shopify is taking care of all of the behind the scenes grunt work, you get to focus on what really matters. Building your business and serving your customers. With Shopify, nothing stands between you and your future real business. So go make one and you can start your free trial [e-mail] Isabelle well,

[Ryan Bomberger]

it's funny for an organization that no longer recognizes biology. Male, female. So yeah. So guys, you can't guess that stuff doesn't age well if you don't have a uterus. No uterus, no say, doesn't apply anymore. But it's ridiculous. And let me just, just correct some things. The whole thing about the whole man of color, anyone of any color should speak to anything. Frederick Douglass's newspaper, the North Star had this, I love this tagline. It said right as of no sex, truth is of no color. God is the father of us all. We are all brethren. If we actually followed that. And this is from a former slave.

[Isabel Brown]

That's beautiful.

[Ryan Bomberger]

He could say things like that. So we should not be gender shamed into silence and certainly not color shamed into silence. But yeah, Planned Parenthood, I mean they are literally the leading killer of black lives. And they call themselves, which this is for me, this illuminates how much of a fraud the anti racism movement is. They call themselves an anti racist organization. How are you gonna be an anti racist organization and be the number one killer of black Lives Matter? They sent out emails where, where the wording is black people are our base. Of course they are.

[Isabel Brown]

Oh my God, that's disgusting.

[Ryan Bomberger]

But this Is. But it's not disgusting to the minority led groups like the naacp, for instance. It does. I mean, they actually announced solidarity with Black Lives Matter movement. Announced solidarity with. I mean, here they're talking about oppression and all this nebulous. How do you exactly define racism sort of oppression that's out there? And like, there's an industry and there's racism in every facet of American life. Right. Except for the abortion industry, the one that they actually announced solidarity with. The one that is actually the leading killer of black lives. And so, I mean, we've been illuminating this through the ratings foundation for years and years. And it's just. It's so frustrating for people not to see what is so obvious. And particularly for those who claim to be, you know, defending the most marginalized. I mean, they do the most. Planned Parenthood does the most to actually destroy the most marginalized. Those with my story, those with my color.

[Isabel Brown]

You've gone to battle with Planned Parenthood many, many times over your career, but that's not the only organization that you're fighting against. Can you give us a little bit of a window into this interconnected web of Planned Parenthood meets the ACLU meets the naacp. Like, what's going on? I mean, ironically, it was intersectionality before intersectionality was ever really a thing. What are these organizations doing to perpetuate legitimate racism and actual annihilation of human rights like the right to life?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Well, we hear the word systemic racism. What's more systemic than a government funded entity that actually disproportionately kills black lives? That's Planned Parenthood.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Ryan Bomberger]

So when we started, I found it almost amusing that a husband, wife team who had no money to our names, we had two laptops, three kids. They were scared of us. So scared of our first campaign, The Too Many Border.com campaign, which of course the contention that we were pushing was that one is too many. But here they had a bloggers and journalist conference. They partnered with Essence magazine, which is a black media outlet. They had this conference at their headquarters in New York City over our campaign to figure out how to message, how to counter it. So that was our first experience. Wait a minute. You're afraid of us? Okay, but that's good, because truth is powerful and you don't have to have billions of dollars like Planned Parenthood does. So that's our first foray into battling Planned Parenthood. And then, of course, the ACLU denounced us for one of our campaigns in atlanta that said 3/5 human seems overly generous. And calling out the Violence of abortion in the black community where abortion mills are predominantly located. Of course they try to deny that. Guttmacher tried to deny it. But at the same time, they're saying, wait a minute, there aren't enough facilities in rural areas. Yes, because they're in the urban areas, which we've been saying, stop saying 79% of them abortion facilities are located in predominantly communities. Then it came time for a billboard campaign in the really conservative San Francisco Bay area. Familiar with that.

[Isabel Brown]

So based.

[Ryan Bomberger]

So we did this billboard campaign. I worked with Walter Hoy, great friend of mine, Life Issues Institute. And we put up another 60 billboards in that area said black and beautiful. Too many aborted.com denounced by the ACLU, denounced by pro abortion politicians, denounced by the NAACP that said the billboard campaign was horribly racist.

[Isabel Brown]

And.

[Ryan Bomberger]

And on the face of it, and they said that it gave the false impression that Planned Parenthood kills black babies. They kill black babies, white babies in every few in between.

[Isabel Brown]

Planned parenthood kills almost 4,000 babies a day in America. You're saying none of them are black?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Yeah, none of them are black. And it's just a false impression. So this is the naacp. So I thought, being the factivist that I am, you know what, how are they not on our side? It's a group that I grew up revering. So I decided, you know what, let me look into this. Where's the NAACP stand on the issue of abortion? And of course, I found out within seconds, literally, how radically pro abortion they were. So I wrote an article about the naacp and I called them the national association for the Abortion of Colored People. Let's just say I didn't like the title. And they sued me. They sued the Radiance Foundation. And the bizarre thing is, we went to court. We never thought it would go to court. I mean, it was so absurd. But they were saying in an article that was highly critical of them that we're pretending to be them. Therefore we were abusing trademark law. Like, how do you get an article that is obviously criticizing the NAACP somehow supporting it? So we went to court for two years, federal court. We lost at the first level and we had to appeal it. We were represented by Alliance Defending Freedom. Thank you, Alliance Defending Freedom. I love those guys. Guys and gals. And honestly, that fight the aclu, bizarrely, that condemned us several times prior, actually submitted a friend of the court brief on our behalf because they were defending the First Amendment. Shockingly, they were defending the First Amendment. It was one of those friend of the court briefs that was basically saying yes, the Radiance foundation is absolutely right to be able to parody the name, but they were basically saying they didn't use this word. But we hate the Radiance Foundation. That was the rest of the Hammers brief.

[Isabel Brown]

But we still kind of like free speech anyway. Wow.

[Ryan Bomberger]

So bizarre. All those things came together and the insanity of now here we are, so many Years later post 2020, where BLM and the 60 to 90 million dollars of fraudulent money. We don't know what happened to that, but we do know how ineffective the movement was. It wasn't about racial reconciliation. It wasn't about reconciliation at all. It was about enriching people. That's what Marxists do. And we're calling that out in blm. We call that out in Planned Parenthood, which wants to. Planned Parenthood also posts things about abolishing prisons. Of course they would. I mean, crooks typically don't want to go to prison. So I mean, the overlap with all this is so insane. The NAACP is supporting the manifesto of Black Lives Matter. I mean, there's so much that ties over together.

[Isabel Brown]

I have really found this interwoven anti racism message over the past few years to be so disgustingly racist, ironically, but also to just be so rooted in the bigotry of low expectations for communities of color in America. There's this expectation that if you are a black person, you are too stupid and too ill equipped and too moronic and you're never going to be successful ever in your life. You're. So the only answer for all of that is to us to fundamentally rewrite history so that it seems a little bit more palatable or easier to swallow. Oh, and also to advance policies that would take someone else's spot away when you don't have the same entry level requirements for a job or for going to college. Oh, and also if you even want to remotely be fulfilled in your life. One of our key tenets of Black Lives Matter as a platform is to abolish the nuclear family. So you can't really get married or have kids or have any sort of sort of self autonomy for your life with the family as the foundation of society. Right. The most effective autonomous organization, governing organization in human history. You have to be reliant on the government forever. And all of these pieces are working together every single day. And yet we call that progress. Why do you think more people aren't talking about that openly or even just opening their eyes to the very obvious reality of what's happening around us?

[Ryan Bomberger]

I don't know. It's because people want to be led by feelings instead of facts. I mean, that's why you have the Smithsonian doing this. I mean, apparently having a nuclear family is a white thing.

[Isabel Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Being polite is a white thing. Being objective is a white thing. I mean, you talk about the expectation. I mean, these low. The racism of low expectations. Look at what happens with equity grading. I live in Loudoun County, Loudoun County Public Schools. I mean, talk about dumbing down things. Equity grading. Oh, if you're black or brown, you're immediately disadvantaged. So therefore we're going to grade you differently. How insanely racist is that? This, all this together, the things that are attributed to whiteness, is just a way of, again, driving a wedge. This is pure Marxist tactic. And they do this all the time. But yet who ends up benefiting from this? Not the communities. Not the communities where the left is saying, we need police out of these communities. When 82% in that Gallup poll during that time, 2020, 82% of the Black community say, no, we need the same or even more police presence in our communities. So it's not these radical leftists who are trying to rewrite history. You're trying to redefine what it actually means to be human. I don't even care what color you are, what it means to be human. These are. We're seeing the detrimental effects of this. We see. I've worked in inner city communities and impoverished communities for many years, long before Radiance foundation and with fatherlessness. And that's been one of my key themes. Talking about the impact of fathers being absent, the higher dropout rates, the higher incarceration rates, the higher rates of drug usage and pregnancy and abortion. I mean, the list goes on and on. When a father is pulled out of the family, leaves the family vulnerable, leaves the community vulnerable. And these people keep preaching the nonsense that only continues to further deteriorate, what actually strengthens every single community.

[Isabel Brown]

You said something really powerful there that I think transcends just the race conversation, but really all of the social issues we're facing today, and that's the strategic redefinition of humanity that we really have, I think, stripped away our common shared humanity in so many different ways today. It's what makes it possible to kill a young man on a college campus for speaking his mind and engaging with different ideas. And it's also what makes it possible to look at an ultrasound of a beautiful baby and to say, that's not a human being, it's just a clump of cells. Even though I know What I'm looking at, it's just pregnancy tissue. So much of that has been strategically used to convince people that the lies we've normalized in our culture are now truth. And you have really dedicated your life to that through the Radiance foundation with some of these horror cases, or the heart cases, as you call them, the less than 1% of cases related to abortion that we use as a crutch from a debate perspective, or just a woke signaling perspective today to defend the abortion industry at large. Can you give us a window into what those hard cases actually are and why so many people are buying into them?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Well, emotion is powerful and we saw during one of the last DNC conventions, we saw how they just celebrated abortion and they brought up different individuals and couples to tout how beautiful reproductive freedom was. And in most of those cases, they weren't cases that the individuals were seeking abortion in the first place, but exceptions cases like where there's a fetal anomaly where. And doctors are wrong often, often they were wrong with one of our children. They were wrong with so many people that I know with their children. They're wrong a lot of the time. But even if they're not wrong, like think of the whole Jesse Ridge way. I have godbrothers and God sisters who have down syndrome. And honestly, I think if you look at human history, the weakest among us, I think teach us how to be stronger human beings, how to be a stronger. I mean, I think the strength of our society is not in how we destroy the weak, it's in how we defend the weak. And yet people are constantly lured into this lie about abortion. When you give cases like fetal anomaly or, you know, disability. I have a number of siblings who have disabilities and they thrive. And then of course, rape and incest, it's easy to use this. I don't want to say infinitesimally small, but it almost is percentage of. Because I'm not diminishing, obviously I'm not diminishing my own life. But they use that all the time to justify because they don't want to talk about the 99%. And here's the thing. When it comes to the issue of rape, which is horrific, but I'm so frustrated when the pro abortion left never wants to talk about punishing the rapist ever. What about talking about they don't ever want to talk about the rapist punishing the rapist, but what they end up doing is punishing the woman because physiologically, emotionally, it doesn't matter the reason for the abortion, the Woman is going to be impacted. The man in the case outside of rape is always impacted too, in different ways. But I find it interesting. Coker vs. Georgia was a Supreme Court case four years after Roe v. Wade, where the Supreme Court ruled it was cruel and unusual to give a rapist the death penalty. So this is what they wrote in 1977, the same Supreme Court that brought us Roe v. Wade, yes, you could kill an unborn child who doesn't commit a crime for any reason throughout the entire pregnancy between Roe and Doe. But in Coker vs. Georgia, they said, no, that's cruel and unusual to give that kind of punishment. And in 2008, Kennedy versus Louisiana, they ruled that a. This is so disgusting. A rapist of a child also cannot be given the death penalty. So they cannot be given the death penalty. But an unborn child can face the death penalty for any reason throughout the entire pregnancy, as we're seeing now in states that are adopting these constitutional amendments enshrining abortion as a right. So I just, I just pray that my. My life and my story give people the tangible side of things. So there's another side of the story that mainstream media never wants to talk about.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Because our narratives prove them wrong. Our narratives show how devastating those lies are, that somehow a woman who's in that fear and that confusion, like my birth mom was, that she can't rise above. And they think that the solution, that the healing for her is the violence of abortion. And I just feel like we need to keep the value of those who are the exceptions cases, that their value is equal to anyone else. Our value doesn't come from man, woman, or governmental institution. It comes from, from God, not from our circumstances. And that's really my prayer, is that I can communicate that to college kids, to people in churches, to all the different audiences that we speak to. I'm just, I know what my calling is. It's amazing when you know that you're called. God's going to equip and enable you to carry out that calling. And he's really given my wife Bethany and I and our small team at the Radiance foundation just awesome opportunities to be able to speak the truth in love.

[Isabel Brown]

Amen. I do a lot of that same work on college campuses about this issue. And speaking of making a real difference, one of the biggest questions. Questions I'm getting right now is are there any college campuses remotely worth left going to in the era of horrible indoctrination and woke education? And there are a few, but most importantly, I think the question is that you have to ask yourself in finding the right college, who do I want to become? Because college isn't just about being prepared for a career or landing your first job. It's about developing the discipline and character that you will carry with you for the rest of your life. Which is why I love our friends at Grand Canyon University. GCU believes that education should prepare you for a whole lot more than just your first paycheck. They want graduates who are ready to lead, serve, and make a true impact on the culture that we're growing up in. Most importantly, GCU combines academic excellence in every field with a Christian worldview, helping students to pursue their calling with a sense of purpose along the way. And they've continued financially investing in every next generation of students, holding tuition rates steady for the last 17 years on their traditional campus. If you're ready to find the right college environment for you, you can head to GCU to learn more. Although I haven't really done like a abortion specific event on a campus in a while, I did do many, many, many in the last few years. And it's always fascinating to me that everyone runs to These less than 1% of cases the minute they feel uncomfortable in the conversation. So you'll start talking about abortion and they'll start screaming in your face. Usually there's a lot of loud anger and you can usually tone it down pretty quickly, but they'll scream in your face about women's rights, bodily autonomy, and all the easy things that are very, very easy to talk about. And the minute you move past those, it always falls back on. Well, what about what about what about what about what about rape? Incest, life with a mom, what about what about. And so I always think it's interesting to see how different people respond to this, but I have found a really effective approach in both facts and feelings. I am here with the Daily Wire, so I'm always a little careful on how I say this, but I really think that for Generation Z in particular, facts cannot be divorced from feelings. You have to use feelings as a vehicle to communicate facts because they're not mutually exclusive at the end of the day. And we are such a feelings oriented generation in how we were raised, largely with these social, emotional learning or SEL classes that we grew up with in the school system. Especially when talking about these heart wrenching issues that it's so easy to fall back on and say, okay, well factually that's less than 1% of cases. So really it's gross that you're using that as a crutch to justify the other 99%. But let's talk about the statistics, let's talk about the data, let's talk about the numbers. I have found it way more effective to say that married to why is it ever the answer to give a woman who has experienced extreme trauma more trauma on top of all of that. And no one's ever asked that when we talk about rape, incest, life of the mom. First of all, there is no actual case for life of the mother in an abortion. If you ask any great ob gyn, they will always try to deliver the baby prematurely instead of provide an abortion because abortion is just that dangerous for the mom as well and putting her life at risk. But when you start talking about rape and incest, you say, I am heartbroken for this beautiful young woman who has experienced this horrible tragedy in her life. Why would I ever want to put her life at risk and expose her to much higher rates of depression and anxiety and substance abuse and suicide later on in her life by subjecting her to this horror of abortion? Usually I get silent blinking as an answer to that because no one's ever thought about it that way before. But I think there's a beautiful opportunity for us, through people like you and sharing your story so authentically and beautifully, to say everything you've ever been told about this usually stays on the statistical data side of it, but we've lost the humanity in this conversation entirely. How do you normally confront that on campus?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Yeah, it's fun talking on college campuses. I mean, so many students are taught to fear and not to think. And one of the worst examples I would have to say would be Harvard. When I spoke at Harvard, I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, I'm not worthy. I'm not worthy to go speak on an Ivy League campus. Literally. Okay, I had to tell you this little story. So I'm in. I'm in the hotel and I'm getting. I'm so nervous. I've done so much research because I'm thinking, these kids are so bright, they're so intellectual. They're going to give me the questions, complete with the citation at the end of the question. Oh, my gosh, how am I gonna. How am I going to have a conversation or even. Even a debate here? And so I'm taking a shower, and I look up, and on the shower head it says, speak Man. It's apparently the brand name Speakman. But it was saying speak man to me, and I just felt like that was God just saying, look, you got this. Stop being nervous, stop being afraid. Go in there and do what you're meant to do. And so when I go and I speak about all these issues, I mean, my gosh, I've never seen such a crowded room of ignorant students who knew nothing about Planned Parenthood, who knew nothing about any of the stats, and who, when I'm telling my story, the professor that I'm debating is telling me, oh, after I'm telling her about a resilient birth mom who rejected the violence of abortion and yet still gave me the incredible gift of life and gift of adoption, she turns to me, she goes, oh, well, that's a cute story. Now, remind you, this professor's focus was on race culture on campus and on. Yes, and on. It was on women's studies, of course, but it was on rape culture on campus. And she's telling me my story of a woman who chose to be stronger than her circumstances being a cute story, but how I deal with it is that I share my story. I share the fact that I'm married to an amazing woman who was a single mom who also rejected the violence of abortion. Her boyfriend, that she had left a toxic relationship, wanted the baby aborted. Now, that girl's 21 years old. She's studying to be a teacher like her mama. So I'm telling these college students what I do all the time is say, hey, here's the stuff that the world's constantly telling you, but here's the stuff that happens where mainstream media shuts everything off, where the story's on tv, they want to shut that off. And here's my reality. And that's why I don't get the whole room who's like, oh, my gosh, we're all for you now. But I will get students in groups or sometimes one or two at a time who will tell me, I never thought of it that way. Thank you. I'm rethinking this. And so for me, that's a victory. I don't care if it's just one out of the 500 or one out of the way, 5,000 that I may have spoken or one out of the 25 that may have spoken to when they get a hold of the truth because it's conveyed in a different way and in a way that I have, a different way of conveying things that other people do, because my story is different. And I just thank God for that. Whether it's college campuses or even in churches, because there's lots of resistance in churches, Christian schools, we've been uninvited from Christian schools because I'm too controversial. Like one, I was talking about diversity, which I find funny. Apparently the director of diversity there, who was a white liberal woman, was more diverse than I was growing up in a family of all kinds of diversity. Were white, black, Native American, Vietnamese, I mean able, disabled. I know a little bit about diversity, but I was controversial and I was not qualified to speak in some. But I'm used to that kind of thing. But when I do get into these venues and I'm able to share my story, I'm telling you like the 12 year old responds the same as like a 72 year old. And I'm not crediting me, but I'm crediting God who uses us in different ways to be able to speak truth in a way that's so specific because of the way that he designed us and enabled us to rise above whatever our circumstances were.

[Isabel Brown]

You said that professor at Harvard's entire academic focus was rape culture on college campuses. This is always one of the most shocking dichotomies to me when I'm on campus is that I hear the term rape culture all the time almost every single time I'm on campus. Whether I'm talking about marriage and family or abortion or just general politics or whatever, somehow rape culture always ends up coming up. Which seems a bit fascinating to me. Because if we truly had this supposed underlying rape culture in our society, which I think sometimes is true, why aren't we doing anything about that? Why are we letting rapists out of prison early in virtually every single blue state? Or in Virginia, where you and I both call home today, why is the Virginia state government attempting to eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing for rapists so that they never go to prison in the first place? And then we give the death penalty for rape to the baby conceived.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Exactly.

[Isabel Brown]

In that situation, I don't understand how people can live in the gray in between them.

[Ryan Bomberger]

How do you reconcile that? Planned Parenthood is have fought state after state in bills that require them to be reporters.

[Isabel Brown]

Yes, this is true.

[Ryan Bomberger]

They have fought that over and over again. So they don't report rape. And I mean, if you're going to talk about rape, going back to what I said earlier, why don't they ever talk about punishing the rapist? Because oftentimes rapists end up being serial rapists. It's not just a once and done sort of thing. They keep going, they have more victims. And Planned Parenthood has been found to. I mean, there was a young gentleman I don't know If I should say his name, Tyler Cost, that's his name. What was brought to. I mean, some of these young women went to Planned Parenthood, but they didn't report. They knew who the attacker was, this young man named Tyler, and they did not report him. And he went on to. He went on to assault more and more victims. But this is the reality of Planned Parenthood. I mean, live action is exposed all the time. They don't want to stop the predators. They don't want to stop the ones who are trafficking human beings. And the reality is Planned Parenthood does not end your sexual abuse. They hide it. They cover it up. And so, yeah, that would be my question to those who talk about rape culture. Well, how are you fighting it? You're actually empowering. You're enabling it all the time by allowing this crazy legislation. Virginia, I don't even know what's happening.

[Isabel Brown]

You brought up Virginia. Yeah, I know. We can spend four hours on that,

[Ryan Bomberger]

but there's divorce from reality. I mean, these people pretend that they're acting with compassion, and it's the exact opposite. There's nothing compassionate about not punishing a violent criminal and not keeping them behind bars.

[Isabel Brown]

I have often found on campus in particular, so much of the irrational emotions surrounding the debate with abortion seems to be rooted in a deeper level of spiritual warfare. And it's funny, because I think the easy temptation as pro life activists is to go out of our way to say, well, you don't need to be religious in order to be pro life. Which is true. I'm a scientist by education. You don't have to have a Christian worldview in order to come to the conclusion that all human life has value and is human life from the moment of conception. That's just biologically true. But when I see the irrational screaming and the meltdowns and the anger and the throwing things and the completely insane behavior, it jars me at first, before I remember. There's probably a deeper reason for that. And I'll never forget being on campus, being screamed at, like, right in our face at my very first event I was ever protested by Antifa at, which was wildly exciting and interesting. My husband was on an airplane livestream watching it, texting me the whole time. I'm like, babe, stop. I gotta keep livestreaming. Stop texting me at the time. But being screamed at, I mean, people throwing things, it was terrifying. And Kristin Hawkins and I were on campus for that event together. She's the president of Students for Life, and she told me afterwards, when they detained us, not the antifa people screaming naturally, more often than not, when people behave like that, it's because they themselves have had an abortion or multiple. And there's like a deeper level of evil within them that they're trying to reconcile with. And they don't know how to process the guilt of dealing with all of that. So it just manifests as anger. And I will never forget that because it was so profoundly insightful as a window into why people seem to be so deterred from remotely changing their mind on this issue. How can we break through that more effectively and be more brave and bold to bring God into the conversation, not as a crutch for a debate talking point, but to really reach people in their brokenness?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Prayer first. I mean, for us, especially as Christians, to not acknowledge the spiritual dimension to all this is not acknowledging what's actually going on. It is not a cultural war. It is a spiritual war first and foremost. And so because of that, when we miss that dynamic and we don't understand that this is someone who's so incredibly broken that you can, you can say two plus two is four over and over again, and it still won't make sense because there's a veil over their eyes. And so we have to act that way though, too. That's why one size doesn't fit all. But we have to be mindful. We're praying, going into something. We're praying before we make the decision to do something. We're praying during that something, and we're praying afterward for the people who are so harmed. It's so obvious. I mean, I've been in, oh my word, so many events where you just hear they're just spewing this out. And as a father, it actually breaks my heart because I think of if that were my daughter, if my daughter had made decisions that led her into that place and in that space and she was feeling that way, how would I want another grown man to respond to that? And I know we live in a world where it's just so easy to denigrate people by calling them names and just calling them this or that, but there is so much brokenness, and we have to acknowledge that. And so my wife and I, I mean, we feel like we're always on our knees in prayer because we, I mean, we've had. We've had family who have severed ties with us because they, I'm not going to say they hate us because Jesus said in scripture, you know, if the world hates you, guess what? They hated me first. So we're in good company, but they hate what we do, they hate who we represent. But that should never stop us from illuminating who Christ is. And as a creative, I try to figure out, you know, very, you know, unconventional ways to do that. But we always have to keep that at the top of our minds because we're not battling flesh and blood. And I think too often even in the pro life movement, we forget that and we don't understand. I mean, we're dealing with politicians too.

[Isabel Brown]

There's a lot of godlessness, but that

[Ryan Bomberger]

has to be first and foremost. We have to pray through these things always. I mean, the overturning of Roe v. Wade on paper, politically, didn't make sense, but yet God brought about that, that, that change. Granted, taking life to the States is, is not a great thing at all. And we have to be forever vigilant, but we have to, we have to understand this is a spiritual battle. People coming against us aren't really coming against us as people. They're coming against who and what we

[Isabel Brown]

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[Ryan Bomberger]

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[Isabel Brown]

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[Ryan Bomberger]

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[Isabel Brown]

You've mentioned a couple things throughout our conversation today about other elements of the fight for the family, and I think this is an interesting new direction for our conversation because I do a lot to promote family policy right now and trying to revive the American family in various capacities. The family arguably has never been under more direct attack in modern society than it is right now. And you're seeing that through dramatically declining birth rates, through record low marriage rates, people calling to abolish the nuclear family entirely, whether it's feminists or BLM activists or anyone in between. And somehow you're evil if you want people to be happy and, you know, have a wife and a husband and kids and all of those things. I know a lot about that. Just ask the view. All of that to be said, this idea of fatherlessness, of affordability for people who need access to a family home to raise their children, of raising the birth rate, of proper education for our kids, you guys tackle a lot of that through the Radiance foundation as well. Where can we take on a more offensive strategy in bolstering the entire support around the American family? Not just fighting against the abortion industry on defense, which is so, so important, but also going on offense for the

[Ryan Bomberger]

family, well, definitely promoting fatherhood. I mean, when Obama did it, apparently it was not something that was an issue of contention with the left, although he did that simultaneously while praising Planned Parenthood. So it kind of cancels itself out. But promoting fatherhood, I mean, we have fatherhoodlessness, probably about 42% of families where the father is not in the home. In the black community, it's about 72%. Back in the 60s when that whole famous report, Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued, that report, alarming report, of fatherlessness in the Black community was 25%. It's 72% today. So it is devastating. In every community, it is devastating. And so I think just taking that on and celebrating what it means to be a father, because when they talk about affordability, okay, children who grow up in homes without Fathers are five times more likely to be in poverty. You want to talk about affordability, let's talk about fathers. You want to talk about the danger to young people and what leads them into all kinds of dangerous areas? Well, let's talk about the poverty and neglect that is significantly increased. So if they have a female led home, and this is not putting down single moms, it's not at all. But a woman was never meant to be both mother and father.

[Isabel Brown]

Right.

[Ryan Bomberger]

But kids who grow up in single female led homes are eight to nine times more likely to experience poverty, neglect and abuse. That's significant. So you can't talk about areas of affordability unless you talk about what can we do to bring back cohesion to the family. And it's. These are things that are just pretty obvious. I mean, fatherlessness. There's so many guys who don't know what it means to be a man, what it means to be a father. And so that's part of one of the presentations we have. Fatherhood begins in the womb. We talk heavily about what it means to be a father from before you decide to engage in sexual intercourse. Which let's. I mean, marriage is the best framework for that. I mean, every study shows how effective that is. But of course, you know, humankind will be humankind. No, we want to fight against common sense. And then there are issues of sexuality too, that we're dealing with.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, severe.

[Ryan Bomberger]

My wife and I wrote books. She is she and he is he. Which the ninth Circuit just ruled that expressing biological facts is not protected speech. So an educator, Rod Tice, who had our books behind him in his office, was fired for having a book. He is he. She is she behind him on shelves, on like a little windowsill. That's not protected speech. But yet that's biology. That's reality. And we can't even talk about. So you talk about all these people like, I'm asexual and I'm non binary, I'm never going to get married, and climate doom. Okay, let's get back to the basics. And when we do that, and we do that, we don't have to be anti. We're just saying, hey, it's awesome to be a girl, it's awesome to be a boy. And guess what? Fatherhood is beautiful. Motherhood is beautiful. And these are the beautiful reverberations from celebrating that. That's what we can do. And I think we're doing that better and better as conservatives, as Christians, but that's what we have to continue to do in more effective Ways in a culture that denies the most basic things. But we have to remember the things that the culture acts like is the most detrimental to them is the thing that is actually most freeing for them.

[Isabel Brown]

This is a fascinating thought experiment because I'm watching the pro life movement really grapple with, okay, we had this massive victory with the overturning of Roe v. Wade. That is a gift from God that was very, very long fought for 50 years, really, from the time that it was originally decided to the time we got the Dobbs decision handed to us a few years ago. Now there's a whole different set of battles that we're fighting at the state and local level, the cultural level especially. And you're almost watching the entire debate around abortion morph in real time because it's getting a lot harder for people to argue, well, it's just a clump of cells. Or if it's an ethereal concept. My baby isn't really a baby. I mean, technology is incredible. You can see your baby beautifully, very, very early in pregnancy. I'll never forget seeing my daughter at 9, 10 weeks on her first ultrasound and watching her little hand wave at me. It's so amazing. So now these fights are more about the structure of the family and the need for mom and dad in different capacities and the policy fights surrounding all of that as well. In America today, every single year, there are conferences for organizations called Men Having Babies, where you're watching gay and single men talk in gigantic conference rooms by the thousands in places like New York City about renting a woman's womb for commercial purposes and taking the baby home. I see videos all the time of throuples who are all non binary, raising their agender children, who some way will grow up to decide their own identity in the future. I just watched a video this morning of a single man who purchased a child through commercial surrogacy because he was tired of waiting for the opportunity to get married someday and how emotionally devastating that was for him, but not for that beautiful baby who was ripped away from their mom and the struggle that they're gonna have to deal with throughout their entire life because of that. How do you see the evolution of these debates with the family and that very common sense building block of what we've known to be true for thousands of thousands of years continue to evolve? And how can we fight against some of those lies?

[Ryan Bomberger]

Well, we're still working on shifting people to understanding the inherent and equal value of every human life. Right. And that value begins at the moment of fertilization. Because human life begins then. What's been troubling over the years, like with Trump's second term, his whole push for ivf. Ivf. Well, what's the difference between killing millions of embryos in an abortion mill versus killing them at an IVF clinic? There's no difference. They're still killing human beings. And there's so many problems. This mindset that somehow, yes, family building is a beautiful thing, but not every form of building a family is ethical. I mean, you can have international adoptions, for instance, where some children were being kidnapped one particular agency, and then joining them with another family. Oh, well, they got to build their family. But that was completely immoral. IVF is seen by many in the pro life movement as equally immoral because of just the process of it. But there are so many other factors to this, because, one, there's no vetting. If you're a gay individual or a gay couple, no one vets you as an individual, which happens with adoption, at least, and also just the commodification of human life. What happens when technology advances to where we have artificial wombs?

[Isabel Brown]

We're there, actually, believe it or not, they're building those in China as well, we speak, but they're massive. They're rolling these out in commercial settings, maybe in America within the next five to ten years, which is.

[Ryan Bomberger]

This is terrifying. But because we don't have the right mindset about human being, children are not a. You know, human beings, regardless of age, are not property. I mean, when they are property, hello. Let's look at our human history. Chattel slavery. It doesn't go well ever. And so if we don't get to that place, then all this technology, I mean, it's. It's the Wild west, and you get to commodify people and women through surrogacy and exploit them. We saw that recently in the case with the lawsuit brought on by the gay couple who sued the surrogate because, oh, the child had a cleft palate.

[Isabel Brown]

Who didn't, by the way? He might. And he was born completely healthy.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Yeah, see, this is the insanity of this, because we don't have the right mindset about human beings. Human beings should never be property. And unless we get a handle on this, and if conservatives don't get a handle on this Republican Party that stripped most of its pro life rhetoric out of its platform, if we don't get a handle on this, oh, my gosh, it's terrifying to me to think. I mean, we can see throughout human history how poorly human beings have Been treated. Look at Nazi Germany. We can never be like we are being like that because we just decide that these human beings don't get to live. And, oh, this embryo wasn't quite the right embryo. And where do we go from even there to a very eugenics. And there's something called euthanics, where you decide which is the proper genetic code or the proper abilities to have. Where does it go from voluntary to mandatory? So there's so many implications of this. I mean, the ethics of it just screaming for someone to say, wait a minute, slow down. Technology in the medical field. We know that the medical field that always touts itself as being more moral. I'm like, no, you're just like all the other human beings. You've done evil things. Look at Shark island. The Holocaust before the Holocaust. I mean, look at the syphilis experiment and Tuskegee Institute. I mean, the list goes on and on of how immoral the medical field has been. And so we can't leave it to them to make the decisions based on the ability of our technology. I don't know. It seems that sounds kind of hopeless. I'm not hopeless. I believe in a God that can turn the hearts of people, particularly when a nation turns its heart to him. And that's what we have to do simultaneously while we're fighting on the legislative side, fighting on the cultural side, getting our churches to finally wake up. But this is what we have to do all these things concurrently.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah. And it won't happen on its own. Right. It has to have a catalyst of bold individuals like you being willing to tell the truth day in and day out and encourage others to do it, too. I want to ask you about one last topic before we wrap up today because I think it's a beautiful part of your story, both in your childhood and your adulthood, and that's adoption. I'm seeing a really fascinating change of discourse surrounding adoption in America right now. And most of what I see about adoption on social media is adoption trauma. And we're processing this idea of a baby being welcomed into a loving family from perhaps less than ideal circumstances, circumstances from when they were born, as traumatic because you were ripped out of the life that you could have had. And somehow you're a better person and you're more empathetic if you would have ended that baby's life before they were born so that they wouldn't have to experience any sort of hardship once they were born. I see adoptees talk about this a lot. I certainly see social justice warriors and woke Performative activists on the Internet talk about this daily. What's your response to that? And maybe can you shed some light on your experience with adoption, both personally and on behalf of your children? Not being that, but being the very opposite of that.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Oh, my word. The rhetoric around adoption is so tragic today, in fact, even in the church. My wife and I were speaking at a conference, and it was a Christian conference, and there were a number of organizations that were part of it. And one of the leading organizations that was sponsoring it went to the coordinator of the conference and said, I'm really concerned about the presentation that Bethany Ryan Bomberg are presenting because adoption's not biblical. Have you ever cracked open the Bible? I mean, what do you mean it's not.

[Isabel Brown]

That does mean nothing to these people?

[Ryan Bomberger]

I mean, yes. I mean, the perfect example, hello, he could have chose love instead. Not biblical. And I mean, adoption is the essence of salvation. There is no salvation without adoption. It's God's framework for making us sons and daughters through Jesus. I mean, unbelievable. So I'm thinking this is actually coming from inside the church. No, I mean, the world's going to be lost. I understand that. And we're hearing this, all this trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. In fact, we live in a day and age where you almost celebrate your trauma. It's like, wait, I have more disorders than you have. It is so insane. Trauma. This is how I look at it, having 12, 12 siblings, nine other siblings who are adopted. Many of us came from different backgrounds, some from really traumatic backgrounds. And here's my take on trauma. As Christians, we work to alleviate pain and suffering. Absolutely. So trauma should be a reference point, not a resting place. And that's where we are. When I hear these adoptees who have the privilege of being alive talk about how it's better, you know, some people are better off dead than going through any kind of trauma. Nobody's better off dead. We're all better off. Loved. And in my family, most of us came from the foster care system. I came from the foster care system. So this nonsense. Simone Biles espoused this too, a couple years ago on her social media. She's pro abortion, yet she is. She's the poster child for the. The beauty of possibility here. She was adopted and loved by her grandparents, she and her sister, out of the foster care system, they went through trauma. Yet some kids do, and that's why they can't return. Sometimes they can return to the biological family. Yes. And we do want to work to maybe helping to restore that, but sometimes, especially when there's abuse.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Ryan Bomberger]

How many, how many chances do you give the. The biological parent to abuse a child? I have friends who adopted a child who was beaten just mercilessly, was put in cage, just the abuse was unbelievable. And so for people to say adoption is the trauma, no, that child experienced the trauma from the biological parent. So sometimes, because the dysfunction, you need to pull that child out of that dysfunction into what is ideally married mother and father situation. And so for these adoptees, honestly, it enrages me because they have that born privilege. They can talk about it now on this side of things, but they're not dead. But for them to promote that we don't. And even what is suffering, what is suffering for us as human beings? Jesus suffered. Should he have avoided all that suffering? I thank heaven that he didn't avoid the suffering. I'm not saying that everyone should go through suffering, but it's something that we work to alleviate 100%, but it's there. And it often gives us a whole different trajectory in life that can be beautiful when people are able to love. And that's why I just speak against this nonsense in our culture that somehow saying that adoption is the abusive part, adoption is the. What do they call it? The primal wound. The primal wound gave me a break. You know what is a wound that can never heal? Being ripped apart limb from limb. That is the perpetual and forever wound. So I love adoption. Adoption's love. It's an act of mercy, act of grace, act of justice. And that's why I'll keep on fighting it. We actually have a fund called the Adopted. It's Henry and Andrea Adopted and Love Fund, named after my late father and my mom, who's still alive and kicking and unleashing purpose. But we are all about helping families who are seeking to adopt. We work with agencies and we help give substantial grants to families seeking to adopt. So we are 100% about adoption, and we will forever be 100%. And transracial adoption, I'm putting that in quotes because we're all just one human race. I don't want to hear this nonsense that you have to be the same color to love another child. Don't give me that garbage. I mean, these are the same people. Racism, Racism. You're perpetuating racism. No child left, no brown child or black child left in the foster care system, and they're left there longer because of kinship care. That's a whole other conversation. But they are not saying, you know what, I'm going to wait here for a Year or two, until I get somebody my color. They want to be loved by a mom and a dad and have that stability and permanence of home. And so that's what we're fighting for. The Radiance foundation as well. Two of my four were adopted. Love them all like crazy. They are all equally special to me, but I love them like crazy. And I will fight the woke mindset that somehow thinks that adoption is a lesser or than option.

[Isabel Brown]

What would you say to young Christian families who are really excited about growing their family in various capacities about why adoption is so beautiful? And even if they haven't considered it before, maybe it hasn't been a necessity for them. They have biological children. Why? It's something every Christian family should think about.

[Ryan Bomberger]

They should. And not just for newborns, because I know there are long lists for the newborn child and that, that's, that's important though too, because we want to, we want to stop the evil of abortion and of course we want people to have their hearts and home open to newborn. But there are, you know, every year out of the 120,000, usually children who are in the foster care system that are available for adoption, half of them are adopted. So there's usually between 50 and 60,000 children still waiting for adoption. If like one family and one third of conservative evangelical churches. I'm not eliminating Catholic church at all, but I'm just saying just for an example, if one out of one third of these churches chose to adopt, we could eliminate all the children waiting for a home, waiting to be loved in the foster care system. It's doable. So I want to say to young people, look, you want to find out God's heart for humanity, Just the self sacrifice of adoption, that is love. Adoption is love. I know it as an adoptee, I know it as an adoptive father, I encourage people. Just open your heart to adoption. Churches help, you know, step in when there's an adoptive family step, I mean, join that family because many times they feel alienated. Be the respite family for them, be the respite family for foster families and be the support for the single mom. Be the support for the single dad. Oh my word, there's so much we can do. But for those who are thinking, I don't know, maybe we'll just, you know, to help build our family, it just shows you the incredible heart of God because I believe his heart is so fully reflected in the beautiful and loving act of adoption.

[Isabel Brown]

Oh, that's powerful, Ryan. Where can people continue to support you? Your incredible work, get their hands on a copy of your book and join you in this fight against the evils of abortion.

[Ryan Bomberger]

Well, you could go to social media but you'll see we're pretty darn suppressed there. But go to our main website. Go to Radiance Life. That's R A D A I. I can spell it. R A D I I A N C E. All of a sudden I have a southern accent. I must be aoc for this moment. Radiance Life and honestly just see all the stuff that we create that just illuminates that every human life has God given purpose.

[Isabel Brown]

Amen. Ryan, thank you for being my friend and for fighting for the truth every single day.

[Ryan Bomberger]

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[Isabel Brown]

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