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Isabel
Colorado is trying to silence free speech again. A state law forces businesses to use customers preferred pronouns even if they're biologically inaccurate. With the help of Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian bookstore and a sports apparel company are challenging the law, but a court recently ruled against them. They appealed the ruling and with ADF's help, they'll keep fighting another attempt by Colorado to skirt the First Amendment. Learn more about how you can support free speech by texting Wire to 83848 or going to joinadf.com wire paying 70
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
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Isabel
Rachel Campos Duffy, one of my favorite people in the entire world. It's been a few months since you've been on the show with us and we have some exciting things.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
But we get into each other yesterday at Mass.
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Isabel
I know. And I got to be on FOX with you yesterday from this beautiful Rededicate250 event. What an amazing day. And I just have so much hope for the faith of our country, largely thanks to families like yours, which I know we're gonna get into. But first things first, the obvious. You have an amazing new book out. Can you tell us a little bit about it?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
So we want to put together a book for America 250. As you know, I wrote All American Christmas and it was a bestseller. New York Times bestseller, multiple times, multiple weeks. And we love that format, which is I take a host for my Fox family and select them and they write a chapter and we compile it. And so you get just a ton of different POVs inside the book. And then I had Erica Kirk write the forward, which I was really blessed that she said yes to. And every chapter is so unique. It's so fun. I selected people from different parts of the country, so you kind of get the regionalism of America. And they all come at the issue of patriotism from a different angle. You know, I always say some of them, their relatives came over on the Mayflower and some of them are like me, my mom became a citizen when I was in kindergarten. And so we all have this different experience with America, but we all come together, loving America and saying this is the greatest country on earth. And what I love about it is it's kind of an anecdote to what we've been told about diversity. The funny thing is, if you read this book, you realize Fox is a very diverse place.
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Isabel
Like, they don't have the blonde hair, blue eyes going on over there.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
It's unintentionally, you know, it's unintentionally diverse. And what I love is there's not this emphasis on diversity is our strength. No, our strength is what unifies us. And in this book you'll see love of country foremost, love of God, because that's where our rights come from. And patriotism all brings all of us together. And I think we're all not just blessed to live in America, but to work for the most patriotic network in America.
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Isabel
Absolutely. You know, it's interesting hearing you say issue of patriotism, and that's where I really want us to start today. Because sadly, patriotism has become quite, quite an issue, mostly for my generation and that of your children. The idea of even belief in the American dream is at an all time low. We are encouraged at every single opportunity in our childhood to hate our country. And that seems to be the more in vogue perspective to have rather than embracing true love of country and wanting to make the future a better place. And even in political activism, I see a lot of the language aimed towards young people, not at saving the republic or fighting for democratic values or trying to restore the amazing moments of the past and highlight those things, but instead this attitude of burn it all to the ground and then we'll rebuild something new on the other side. And I'm seeing that from both the left and the right now. Why do you think that is?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Well, at least from the left, I can say that there has been a real intentional, organized effort on the part of communists, Marxists, I mean, let's be really frank. And they've been doing it since the progressive movement, really since the Bolsheviks. They came over here as well, and they've been really smart and intentional. They've infiltrated into our institutions. They've infiltrated into the school system. I think it was Lennon who said, just give me four years. Right. And I can completely change the next generation. And they have been doing that. You know, we first saw it, you know, in the university level because a lot of those children from the 60s ended up in the ivory towers. But very quickly they understood that they could infiltrate the teaching colleges and the places where curriculums are made. In fact, the person that wanted. Is most famous for wanting to fundamentally transform America. Barack Obama. The first person to. One of the first people to fund and support his candidacy was from the Underground Weather. The. What is it? Underground Weather. I think that's the name of the terrorist group. It's a domestic terrorist group, Anarchists, Marxist. And he ended up. Once all this blew over, what did he do? He went into curriculum. He went into an organization that makes curriculum for teachers colleges. And what we've seen is that you used to just have to worry about that Marxist professor in your child's. In your college kids.
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Isabel
Software class, science class.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Right. And then they come home on Thanksgiving and give everyone a hard time with their new ideas. Right.
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Isabel
Che Guevara T shirt.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Right, exactly. But, but the Che Guevara T shirts and all of that propaganda started really going into high school, junior high. We saw Howard Zinn with his history book on America. That again started at the college level. We saw it in Good Will Hunting. It was first sort of popularized and put into pop culture by, by those. Ben Affleck, who's the other one that wrote was in that movie. My gosh, I'm not gonna remember. But anyway, in Good Will Hunting, they, they, they actually referenced the book. From there it went down into high school and then it's now used in a sort of more infantile form in junior high and even in, in grade school. And so if you go through the typical American public school system, you will learn that Christopher Columbus was a horrible person. Yeah, start with him. The, the Pilgrims were not that great. They were horrible to the Indians, when in fact that's not really the case.
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Isabel
Actually worse, they say that we committed genocide against the population.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
So you'll hear all of that all the way down the line. And so I think of it, and this is an easy way for you to think of it, because you're a parent. When your kids are little, what your kids need to do is learn to love their parents. And then when they get older, they inevitably will see your flaws. But if they already love you first, then they are able to work through those flaws that we all have as humans. And their criticism of you will come from a place of love. And that's why patriotism was taught in schools, because you first have to love America. And by the way, there's lots of love. It's like if you know the true history, you should be brimming with pride about America. Our founding was remarkable, the first experiment in self government ever in the face of human history. And they did it in a way that was very different from the French Revolution. It wasn't as bloody. It didn't remove God, it actually allowed God to be infused into the culture. And because of that, everyone who's come to visit America from De Tocqueville on down, has been amazed. I mean, I remember going to my husband's hometown with a Spanish citizen friend of mine who couldn't believe in this little town of 2000, how many churches there were in this little town. That is not the case. I mean, there are gorgeous churches in Europe. They're like museums. And there aren't a lot of new ones being being built. And so we have something very unique, very special. But we have taught our children to hate themselves, to hate our country, to be ashamed of it. And so my hope, you know, when you said, why did you write it? My hope is that this is one of the pieces of whatever is going to unfold over the next year to celebrate America. 250. That sort of reorients us. Now, I know a lot of Gen Z, there are Gen Z'ers who watch Fox. I see the demos, they're there. But there's a lot of older people my age and older who watch Fox, and my hope is that reading other people's stories, they'll go, oh, we have a story. Because stories are powerful. And if you tell your American dream story to your child, to your grandchild, to your nephew, to your niece, they're gonna understand that better than some Marxist book that's put in front of them. And so we have to start very early. As you know, with your little kids, we are the first and primary teachers and grandparents too. So learn or start to retell these stories so your children have them. And this book is a great reminder. The stories are funny, by the way. Really, really funny. And you'll learn a lot about the hosts.
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Isabel
I love that. And I had a huge smile on my face. All the stuff that I've already read in the book so far. But this is an interesting concept of the family lineage in passing down the story of America because really we are a story of families, right? The very foundation of our nation was built upon that foundation of the family and bringing that to our larger communities. And I'm chuckling thinking about last weekend. My husband took me for Mother's Day to Mount Vernon because I wanted to get outside. I love Mountain Vernon. We wanted to do something fun and just enjoy the beautiful weather with our daughter and, and we had been once last summer, but she was a brand new baby and it was like 98 degrees in the middle of July. We should not have been outside. So we waited and waited and we eventually came back this spring and they have just renovated George Washington's home. It's absolutely beautiful. The museum is starting to open. Did you go to the restaurant?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Because I heard they did that too.
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Isabel
No, we didn't have time. But I'm dying to go back. We only live a few minutes away, but we're standing in line for our time slot ticket to go into the mansion and we're sitting there with our daughter who's laughing and throwing things on the ground, just being a normal one year old baby. And there was a group of three, probably baby boomers, older individuals behind us that I didn't get a great look at. But I was listening to them standing immediately behind me and they're all comparing notes on the things that they've done in and around Washington D.C. one of them grew up here in D.C. saying oh yeah, the museums are amazing and the historical sites are amazing. And then they start trying to out woke each other. Of all of the things that they've done in dc, comparing which museum exhibits they've been to and how deeply they touched them and opened their eyes to how evil America is. And I've been to the African American History Museum, but I had to leave after two floors because it was just so deeply painful for me to confront our history of slavery. The one gal says oh yeah, I felt the same way about the Native American Museum and how we committed genocide against the Native Americans for our very founding. And the other gal says oh yeah, the Women's History Museum is so important. Well, spoiler the Women's History Museum isn't even open yet. Actually, President Trump initiated the entire process for it be open, but they're just desperate to out woke each other and out complain about how evil America actually is. And they keep going through this conversation.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And you paid for that, by the way. Oh, yeah, you paid for this new retelling through our. Through our museums.
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Isabel
100%. And that's exactly what ended up happening even in parts of the tour at Mount Vernon, unfortunately. But we're standing there, they keep going down this litany list of all of the things that they're doing to combat environmental racism because it is racist when we don't take care of our water supply, specifically against black people. And, oh, yeah, that book, A People's History of the United States by Howard is the most important book I've ever read. I can't really tell you what's in it, but it was so important to me when I read it 13 years ago. And my husband is just desperately trying to keep it all together and is rolling his eyes, and I'm like, be quiet. Let these people have their thing. But I do feel like there is this generational oscillation. You see that with baby boomers, and then you've seen that with the children of baby boomers in millennials doing their version of it with like the Scream at the sky construction. Ve BLM into 2020 summer BLM, all of the pride parades, the women's March, all championed by millennials. But I think you're starting to see the pendulum oscillate back in the other direction with Generation Z and wanting to be punk rock by being patriotic. That said, it's become really obvious to me because of millennials and watching my older cousins and people I went to school with that patriotism is not an inherent value to our culture anymore, something that you can naturally absorb. The opposite seems to be true. So how do we.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
You almost have to be intentional to go in the opposite direction. So first of all, can I just comment on the museum? So I was approached several years ago, more than five years ago, to help bring about. Actually, it was during the Trump. It was during the Trump years, the first Trump years, to help bring about Hispanic, Latino museum. And at first I really balked at the idea because I really don't like that kind of stuff. I don't really like all this identity politics. I think it's very divisive. But then I was told by very conservative friends, hey, if we don't get on the board, it's gonna definitely become this cathedral. And so you should get on. And I did. And I realized that the liberals on the board were gonna lie and do it their way anyway. And I was already philosophically opposed to the whole concept. And I got out and I started. I started using my platform to advocate against any of this. Here's what I think should happen with the Smithsonian. And I've tried to talk to other legislators, politicians. They think my dream is a good one, but will never happen because of the entrenched politics of it. But what really should happen is we should redo the whole thing. It should be chronological. You should be able to start with the conquistadors that came here who are part of this American story. Right? The Spaniards and the French and the trappers and all the. And the missionaries. You know, we have a beautiful history of missionaries here in the United States. In fact, the rights. The human rights of Indians were. Were established by Spanish missionaries here in this. In this land the first time they were ever put on paper. So there's a beautiful story to tell. You can tell all the bad stuff, too, but you should be able to go from all the way there through the revolution, you know, through the Civil War, through the Industrial Revolution, through World War I, World War II, all the way through the civil rights movement to where we are. You should be able to walk with your child through it. And as different people interact, right. The Italians come or the Hispanics come, you know, through the Bracero program in the, you know, beginning in the 20s and 30s here. And, you know, there's all these places where we intersect with. With American history as, you know, from our own cultural heritage. That's how the story should be told. Told. And it's really sad that it's turned into these. You know, like I said, there are these woke cathedrals. They're very anti. We had trigger warnings on the founding documents in the archives.
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Isabel
Yeah. That's insane.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I think people forgot that it actually happened.
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Isabel
It only.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I know, it's insane, right?
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Isabel
Which is one of the coolest things to do in D.C. by the way. If you get a chance to go. Going to see the actual Constitution of the United States. Breathtaking. It's so cool.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And if, you know, a member of Congress and you're able to, you know, work it, they can act. You can actually go behind. They'll do a special tour and pull up documents of something that you actually are, you know, maybe particularly interested in in advance. So there's lots of great stuff to do in this city. And this is a great way to To. To bring your family to our capital or take them to Philadelphia and. And teach them about our country, you know, through your eyes, because there's a lot of us. I was raised loving America, believing that, you know, from my father, who was first generation born here from Mexico, my mother, who was a citizen of Spain and became a citizen when I. And went through the citizenship process, which all the people who came over during Biden years did not. Yeah, my mother was so patriotic. She still is. And both of them. And I think the culture was set up to make us believe that. In fact, when our country turned 200 years old in 1976, my parents loaded us up in a brown Vega station wagon, all four of us little kids, and drove us to the Liberty Bell, because that's what they thought Americans should do. And so that was so formative. But people aren't doing that, or if they make it like you said, to Mount Vernon, they're going to be told this different story that's really about shame. And that's what I hope this book. That's what I hope. You know, all the activities that are being planned, from UFC to the. To the big race that Sean is planning around our Capitol, the. I'm going to ask my producer who knows the name of that race, the Great Grand Prix. Sean will kill me if I forget that the Great Grand Prix is going to be in August. Around our U.S. capitol. There'll be lots of amazing events, and hopefully it will remind everybody that we're the greatest country in the world.
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Isabel
Amen. Amen to that. So you grew up feeling that way. Obviously, you were intentionally raised that way by your parents. Now God has given you a huge responsibility in raising nine beautiful children and now some grandchildren as well. How do parents intentionally infuse patriotism into raising their kids?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Well, you gotta think about the schools that you're gonna send them to. I mean, I will say, first, start with your own. You know, communicating that love that you have for America, that opportunity that you had or your grandfather had, or, you know, maybe they started a business here and they knew they couldn't start it anywhere else. I mean, those stories are important because they become part of your child's story of America. But also, you know, I often tell you this too, that the beautiful part about having nine kids is you get a lot of do overs. And so, you know, our first kids went to the only Catholic school that was available in our little town in Wisconsin. And it was a very mediocre school that, you know, was just sort of like public school. With a mass, essentially in a lot of ways. And they. We were having at that school to sort of undo. That's when I learned about Howard Zinn. It was being taught in my Catholic school, you know, and a lot of like sort of middle of the road Catholic schools have teachers like this. And that's when I started to see what was going on. And then I moved to New Jersey and I got a second chance. I had a great co host, Pete Hegseth, who is now our Secretary of War. And we would spend, he and I and Will Kane many, many, many hours in commercial breaks, you know, talking about classical education, which Pete was such a big fan of. And so when I actually moved to New Jersey, I found one and I put my kids in the school. And when you put your kids in a classical school, they will learn the Federalist Papers. They will learn and actually be able to recite, you know, the preamble. They'll be able to learn about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and they will learn history in the way that I told you, which is not sugar coated. But we should teach our children the good, because there's so much good. And. And then as they get older, you know, in junior high and high school, we should talk about all of these issues, but we should also talk about them in the context of how we have overcome them and how it is precisely these founding documents that made the case for overcoming whether it was slavery or the cases that were made during. During the civil rights era. So I think the education is really important. So whether you're homeschooling, if you can find a classical school that is very patriotic, I know there are a lot of charter schools like that. And frankly, if I'm fair, there's a lot of schools in the south that are public schools that are just naturally patriotic because that culture is very patriotic. And it's really hard for the woksters to undo that, but also take them to fourth of July parades. We talked about what happened yesterday. Why was yesterday important, this rededication? First of all, nobody knew that there was a rededication. You know, 250 years ago. I almost didn't know. Really. I had to really.
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Isabel
I don't remember. I don't remember ever being in school. I'm pretty sure it was Charlie Kirk that taught me.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Yeah, I was just gonna say I think I learned in my adulthood that that actually happened. And then it was something that came in and went out. And then all of a sudden this past weekend, as I'm preparing for the show. I'm like, oh my God.
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Isabel
And.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And there are millions of grade school kids who had no idea about that. So that's the first thing. There was a history lesson in that. The second thing is that we were sort of told in this, not just in this woke thing, but ever since that decision was made to take religion out of school and to treat religion as if it's a negative. And that somehow all of us needed to be, you know, all faith and religion need to be stripped from the public square and we needed to just do it in the confines of our churches or inside of our closed door houses. You know, you can pray your rosary there. Don't do it outside, certainly not in front of an abortion clinic. This idea that we had to be siloed is false and is not at all in keeping with the spirit of the founding of this country. And so what I liked about yesterday is that culture matters. And I felt like it was another step in the right direction of changing culture. Not politics, not policy, but culture. And Christians saying, no, we belong here. In fact, we started this whole thing. So you're not going to kick us out with your Marxist foreign ideas. Mandani, you know, God bless him, he's destroying that country, that, that city. But his ideas are foreign to this country. They're foreign to, and we should treat them as such. And that what you saw yesterday at the Mall here in Washington D.C. is really what our country's about.
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Isabel
Why do you think so many Christians are unaware that we were in fact founded to be a Christian nation?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
It's intentional. It's intentional. I remember kind of, I remember sort of when Glenn Beck had a show on Fox way back in the day, and he used to have this guy on, this historian who sort of emphasized the religious history of our country. And that's when I started to realize this was being stripped from the school. And actually I was a child of the 70s who. And this is where a lot of this started. And so, yeah, I think it's important for even adults to go back and learn this.
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Isabel
Back to it with Rachel in just a second. But first, one of the things that I love the most about the Duffy family is how intentionally they have taken education of their kids, not just as they've been growing up, which you'll hear about in today's conversation, but also once they are grown and sent off to the world of higher education. And I know, I know I get a lot of hate from the conservative world sometimes that I don't think every college degree is completely useless. Not all small college is a scam and there are some amazing universities out there truly dedicated to actual academic education. During the few years that I was living in Phoenix, Arizona, I knew so many people that graduated from Grand Canyon University and had the most incredible experience. Not just in pursuing academic excellence, but also in having access to a quality education at an affordable price. GCU has kept their tuition rate the exact same on their traditional campus for the last seven years. 19 years, which is unheard of frankly, and in 2025 alone awarded more than $400 million in scholarships to their students. But more importantly than the incredible academics and the low cost of tuition, GCU is committed to what higher education should truly be all about the pursuit of something bigger than ourselves in the pursuit of God. Equipping this next generation not just to be brilliant and well prepared for the workforce, but to be in the pursuit of what is good and true and beautiful when our culture takes needs it the most. You guys can find your purpose at gcu. If you're still looking for the right fit for where to pursue your college education private, Christian, affordable nonprofit, Head to GCU Edu to learn more. I don't know if you guys saw, but this week the Pope weighed in on artificial intelligence and how we can use it responsibly to help humanity. And it's a great read in case you haven't read the new encyclical. But in a world where we're just outsourcing everything to AI, even our creativity, learning how to navigate it with responsibly for tasks that actually help us is a huge challenge. And that's why I'm so glad we have found our friends at Quo Spelled Q U O Quo is the business communication system designed to make sure you never miss a message. And let me tell you, this has helped me substantially in my life. Quo is not just a random phone system, but it's a smart communication system where AI automatically logs all of your calls, generates summaries and flags when you need to respond to a message. Message to make sure that you never miss something that you really need your business to respond to. Quo works wherever you are from your phone or your computer, even if your business is on the go and you can keep your existing phone number, add new team members to the system in seconds, and so so so much more. It is the number one rated phone business system on G2 with thousands of reviews and is currently used by more than 90,000 different businesses. Yours could be next to make sure you never miss a message when your business needs it the most try quo for free plus 20 off your first six months when you go to quo.com. isabel that's Q U O.com Isabelle oh 100. When I'm on college campuses, one of the most common questions that I'm getting right now is, well, what about separation of church and state? What about. What about? What about? And I always love asking, okay, I'm assuming you learned this in your political science class or somewhere in studying the Constitution. And they always ferociously nod their head yes. And I say, where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state? Exactly. And I always get a blank face. Well, they stammer for a minute. The First Amendment. The First Amendment to the Constitution. And I say, I see why you would think that. And I understand that's probably how it's been interpreted by a lot of Supreme Court justices throughout our nation's history. But there is nowhere in the Constitution, there's nowhere in the Declaration, that that phrase separation of church and state was ever used. I actually never learned this growing up. I learned this as an adult, that it was Thomas Jefferson writing a letter to a church group. The Danbury Baptist Convention in Connecticut is the only time in our founding documents that phrase of separation of church and state is used. And it's a promise from the government not to interfere with the actions of the church. But that's it. There was never an intention.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
So they even take it out of the context.
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Isabel
Yes, the letter was written. There was never an intention.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I didn't even know.
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Isabel
That's right. The church.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I didn't even know that.
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Isabel
Influencing government. And the best part is this. He wrote that letter that week, and he wrote it while he was President of the United States. That Sunday, where did he go to church? Which he did every Sunday here in Washington D.C. at the time, inside the United States Capitol building is where the President of the United States went to church. So you could literally hold church services inside of our government buildings, which today constitutional scholars would. Their heads would explode over something like this. There's no way we could ever allow something like that.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I don't know how it got so crazy. I still remember little kids who would bring Christmas cards in their kindergarten class, and they were religious Christmas cards, and they would get reprimanded as if they did something bad. I mean, this thing has been so distorted and normal common sense people like you and I haven't. We just haven't done enough to undo the lies. And, you know, communism is a. Is a, is an atheistic religion. And it's beyond that, it's, it's anti God. And if you're anti God, that it's now you're entering into a spiritual, demonic realm. I mean, frankly, which is so apparent
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Isabel
in the culture that we're living in.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
So apparent. It's so apparent. And so it's really up to us to go, no, you guys are the intruders here. Like this idea, these philosophies, these Marxist ideas, these communist ideas, these secular ideas, they're not part, they were never part of our culture. These are foreign ideas and they can't
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Isabel
be going forward either. You say we haven't done enough, which I actually wholeheartedly agree with you on. And I get asked a lot right now about declining approval rates for the administration among young people. And I really get asked about this on left wing networks when I go as kind of the token conservative. And they like to point at all of these numbers and say, see, see, we told you this tiny blip on the radar of young people becoming overwhelmingly conservative and pro America was just a blip. It's going to be gone very quickly. Everyone's going to run back to the left. And I always like to stop them there. And I say, no, you are fundamentally misunderstanding where young voters and young people in our country are at right now. Our disillusionment with the government, mostly Congress, isn't about the fact that everyone's too radical and too conservative. It's the fact that no one's actually conservative enough and no one is going on offense to really make these changes that we desperately need in order to save our society.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Agreed.
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Isabel
How are you seeing that up close and personal as the wife of a cabinet secretary right now?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
What do you mean by that?
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Isabel
Are you seeing any inaction in Washington? I mean, largely from Congress, certainly, but things that you wish we could be fighting a little bit harder for. And where are you seeing the admin fighting in ways that the public maybe isn't getting an access point to?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Well, I can look at my husband's department and I, I am amazed every day at how much he's done in a year. And I don't just say that. And by the way, if you're listening right now and you pull up my husband's dot website, you'll see he did like a retrospective video of everything they've done in the last year. It's amazing. There was absolute inaction. And by the way, it was DEI that was holding up tons of grants. Like, you couldn't build a road unless you were also going to build a bike path. You know, there's all kinds of things, stuff that was thrown in and it ended up making it so that you couldn't get any of these projects done. And then, of course, the tragedy that happened within 24 hours. I mean, literally, my husband was on the job less than 24 hours when an airplane and a helicopter collided over D.C. and it took my husband a couple weeks of, you know, going over the faa, sort of like digging in and going, what is, what is going on here? And he realized something that every other DOT secretary had to have known if they even tried looking. Well, that's the real question, which is that our air traffic control system was running on floppy disks and 1980s, 70s, 60s technology. And even though money had been invested, nothing had been upgraded, nothing had been done. And Sean went to the President, talked to him and said, I can't believe what I'm seeing. I can't believe that we're ordering spare parts off of ebay, because nobody is making this stuff.
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Isabel
Ebay?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Yes.
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Isabel
Oh, that's bad.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
It's bad. Oh, no, it's bad. And he actually had an event where he laid out all of the equipment and it looked like props from Stranger Things is what the whole thing looked like. And so he said, you know, I work for President Trump. He is not going to want me to duct tape this thing.
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Isabel
Yep.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And continue. He needs an overhaul. He said he wants a brand new, state of the art gold plated system. And so he got to work on going, how can we do that? And it started with, you know, they have to get new software in. They've got to take out the old copper wires and put in fiber. I mean, this thing is, I mean, there's been eight new towers, like with all this new technology already been built. So I mean, it has been a, it's been at Trump speed. So I can look at that department and say, things are, you know, are moving. I look at Maha, which was something that was very, very personal to me. There have been some things I'm not happy with. I think all of us can say it's not moving as quickly and as great as we want.
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Isabel
I was, I think people underestimate the bureaucracy of HHS in particular. It's huge.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And the power of the same power players who were, you know, preventing even Maha from existing still, those people are still there. And so. But I see how hard they're fighting. And I do think that, particularly with young people, the message of Maha is forever here. I don't think it's going to change.
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Isabel
No young People are healthier, say, nah, go back to eating fake chemicals and food. Yeah. Oil.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
So I think. I think that has been reinforced by Bobby and whatever he can't get done. I believe there's going to be a lot of pressure on whoever the next people are to continue on that. So I think Maha has been largely very successful with a few disappointing setbacks. But the vaccines for babies, that's a huge deal. And just changing the food pyramid really, back to basics. So there's been, I think, a lot of. A lot of really, really great things. And most importantly, I will say this. It happened. For me, the most important issue is life. And that happened under President Trump in the last term. And the overturning of Roe vs. Wade is the most remarkable thing that happened that I never thought would happen. And it only happened because of this president.
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Isabel
Yeah, I don't think anyone ever thought it would happen. I certainly thought it would have. We still have a lot more work to do on the issue of abortion in our country. I think we hit a record high of abortions that happened last year because this moved to chemical.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
It's a new.
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Isabel
It's all male. It's very scary.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
It was going to move in that direction anyway. Having shut down Roe versus Wade, having changed, that was still imperative. And now we've got a new battle.
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Isabel
Exactly. Got to keep fighting and rolling up our sleeves, which I love that the administration does day in and day out. I've had your husband on the show. I've had many of the other secretaries on the show, and it's just astounding to me to hear how much bureaucracy they didn't even contemplate existed until they got into this job with the DEI requirements and the hidden millions upon millions of dollars in grants going to the craziest things possible. Doge was hugely important in that, and
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
taking down USAID was massive.
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Isabel
Hugely important.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
There was a lot of bad stuff happening. I think. I think maybe when it. When. When it's all rewritten, as flashy as Doge was, and it was good. I think taking down USAID was prob. Now, I'm not gonna say that they maybe didn't find other ways to, or they will find other ways to siphon that money, but the fact that it was as protected as it was and it was doing horrible stuff that very clearly the public did not want. Nobody wanted transgender operations in Central American countries. Nobody wanted, you know, LGBTQ being spread in Africa with our tax dollars or whatever. There was a lot of bad stuff happening. And I think that that was probably one of the most transformational things that happened.
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Isabel
Oh, it absolutely was. And I was hoping, and I think we're still getting there. The longer I've been in Washington, I think I'm realizing the back and forth balance of powers that we have been dealing with constitutionally was intended to be an amazing thing in practice. Largely because of the influence of the parties and factions today, which is what our founders argued against and warned against for a very long time. We now have seen it kind of grind to a halt in ability to actually govern on offense, even when you hold all of the levers of power in this town. Great examples being all the amazing victories that you just mentioned, but many that have kind of come up short or hit a bunch of walls. Maha being one elimination of the Department of Education. That is by far one of the things I am the most excited about that this President is so passionate about doing. And I know Charlie fought really, really hard to make sure we were going in that direction. The states, it needs to go back to the states. I mean, it is probably the worst run government agency on the planet, let alone in the United States today. But all of these district judges and all of these members of Congress that are seeing this as their opportunity for five minutes of fame are holding up the ability to enact on that mandate that the American people handed to the President. So continued advocacy is so, so important,
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
obviously, and reducing government because those people are, they know they're going to outstay, you know, that member of Congress.
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Isabel
Yep.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
That senator, that administration. And so there is, there was. I think there is still a need to shrink government.
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Isabel
Oh, yes.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And I think the reason why I think it's important to shrink government isn't just for all the policy reasons that you and I like, but when, when it's smaller and it, and it operates more efficiently. You talk about our founding principles. This is what I think that our government, we've gotten away from. And I think it's so foundational what I think the American people want, what the average person wants. What I want is I want a government that's small and efficient and just does the basics for me so that politics can become smaller in my life, so that I can only worry about my family, the baseball game, the family trip, that whatever it is that we have to, we have to worry about as a little family unit and my community. And so I think we want to shrink government so our own personal lives, our own family life can take up a bigger space. You see on the left, that anger that this and We've had to engage, by the way, because they are. This is their religion, politics, power. That's what Marxism is about. It's become so big for them. It's like their identity. And they're changing things very rapidly. So we've had to kind of get more political in order to combat it. But the answer is to shrink the bureaucracy, to lessen the power of government so that more of it goes back to the local community. More of us have more control inside of our little place, our little town. And we don't have to think so much about Washington D.C. i do believe that's what George Washington wanted.
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Isabel
Oh, absolutely. 100%. Good reminder. At Mount Vernon the other day when I was learning about that, that's a beautiful segue into what I wanted to get into next, which is, as we've seen, this mounting frustration, and I hesitate to even use the word anger because I generally think the right isn't particularly angry as the way the left is, as we have, as we've seen in the last decade or so, but frustration and disillusionment a little bit with the actual lovers of power and how the sausage is made. Here I'm watching this growing consternation on the right continue to happen that is decreasing our patriotism. I kind of alluded to it earlier, but you're now watching louder and louder voices on both the left and the right, especially in new media, start to talk a lot more about the importance of burning it all to the ground and starting over. Well, it was nice while it lasted, but we're gonna start over and do something new now because there's just no hope anymore. This black pilling concept a little bit. What role do you think the media, in particular the mainstream media, which I know you work in every day, plays in drumming up that sentiment and causing more vitriol and division.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I don't know if the media is playing into that on the right. What I would say is, you know, when I hear those voices and they're frustrated, first of all, there's a responsibility that conservatives have to make sure that the economy is functioning, that the economy, that business and opportunity is available to everybody. Because when young people feel like this system isn't working, then obviously they're going to look and see well what system is. So there's a little bit of on the right taking responsibility for making sure that things are running well. To be frank, before the war, I think in April, the President was going to get a massive boom, a massive economic boom. Then he had, on top of that there's like a compounding AI boom that's happening. On top of that, I'm not a big fan of AI. I know you have your own hesitations as well. But it is true that it is creating more efficiencies, and we're seeing that play out in the economy now. It's not actually trickling down to regular people, but it is holding up, you know, the stock market and earnings and things like that. So it is important to make sure that capitalism works. I don't become as concerned as other people have about what's happening on the right. I feel like what I love about being on the right is there are debates and there is a very, very healthy questioning of government and power. That is very American. We're rebels.
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Isabel
Amen.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
We don't like people telling us what to do. We don't like overlords. We don't like oligarchs. I don't think we should let the left own the word oligarchs. It's a weird word. It's not a very American word. It's because it's wrapped in a lot of Marxist stuff. But this idea of having this. This, you know, not having a healthy middle class, it's very destabilizing. It's not good. And it's something that our lawmakers and our leaders should be thinking about. They need to think about that. Yeah. You know, because with the tech boom, you're seeing a lot of billionaires and people who have an outsized power in our system. And I don't look at it the way a communist does. Like, money is bad, but I think everybody wants. I mean, I grew up, when I saw rich people, I was like, well, I'd like to be that rich too, you know, but we're seeing really extreme wealth. Like, really extreme. And I think those extremes. I also grew up is about in Latin America because my. And in other countries, Third World countries, because my father was in the military. But you see it especially in Latin America, where you have very rich and very poor and not a lot of people in the middle, and no hope of those who are left in the middle being able to move up. I think we need to make sure that what's always been the American dream, what's always been this hope for America, the reason why everybody wants to still come to America is because there was this idea that if you have a great idea, if you work really hard, if you're industrious, if you're resourceful, if you have a great work ethic, you make It. We need to make sure that that stays. And so I don't mind people on the right having that debate. And I kind of like that. It's young people. I don't believe. I don't believe that the people on the right who are upset. And by the way, I have young kids who are also, you know, hearing all these messages and agree with me on some and disagree with me on others. I think these debates are important, and I like that young people are leading this sort of, like, questioning of power, because I think that's good. I think it's healthy.
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Isabel
I do, too. I think it's actually really important for.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I think there's a lot of boomers who are like, get in line, young people. We told you that you have to believe this because Ronald Reagan said this, and it's like, yeah, you know, but the 80s were a little different. The economy was different. I think debate is great. And as long as the debate brings us back to the foundation, right, to these founding principles, to our Constitution, to our Bill of Rights, to the spirit of 1776, let's have at it. Yeah, let's do it.
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Isabel
Well, debate is in the cornerstone of American democracy. Right. I mean, it always has been.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I mean, that's what Charlie brought to the table.
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Isabel
Exactly. Dedicated to the.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And I tell you, like this. This dedication, this forward by Erica Kirk. If you love Charlie, it's gonna make you a little sad, but also a little hopeful. I tell you, I feel. I thought the pain of not having Charlie would dissipate with time. Like, a lot of, you know, a lot of times, you know, time heals. The hole is bigger.
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Isabel
Yeah, we feel that way, too.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
It's bigger and bigger and bigger. And so the challenge is, will there be young patriots from your generation who will stand up? And I believe that person will come. I believe that group of people will come, but we have to always point them towards our founding documents and away from the Mandani aoc, Bernie Sanders, Bolshevik weird alien. To our country and to our culture, ideology.
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Isabel
As a parent, I am so inspired by Rachel's commitment to raise her children with an awareness of what makes America so, so special. And that is exactly why this weekend, my family is headed to the movie theater. The last time we were at the movie theater was, like, days before my daughter was born. We went to see Star wars, so this will be a much different vibe, but to see Hillsdale's new incredible documentary, Revolutionary America, which is bringing the story of the American Revolution to life in a whole new way that you have never seen it before. The documentary is narrated by Tom Selleck and features incredible people with stories tied directly back to our Next nations founding, including a wild Mr. Michael Knowles, if I've heard correctly. The trailer is amazing and I am so excited to finally see it on the big screen. But Revolutionary America is only in theaters for a few days May 31 through June 2, so make sure you grab your tickets as soon as you possibly can. Head to Hillsdale Edu Revolution to learn more. If you guys have ever tried to start your own business, you probably almost psyched yourself out before it ever got off the ground. Because there is so much much paperwork to file, there's taxes to pay, there's all kinds of crazy nonsense that you don't think you're quite cut out for. And that's why tools like Shopify matter so much for small business owners and creators just getting started in this world of entrepreneurship. Shopify powers millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all E commerce here in the United States, including our very own daily wire shop. And what's so special about them is they centralize everything. You can run a beautiful online store using ready to made templates, manage different payments and inventory, run email campaigns and social media campaigns, and even use Shopify's AI tools to enhance your product photography, improve your website, and so much more. Even when you think you need an entire team to start a business, chances are a whole lot of it can be done with a team of one. Just you. Thanks to the incredible tools at your disposal. Thanks to Shopify, you guys can start your own business today with the industry Best business partner out there, Shopify and start hearing some sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com isabel that is shopify.com isabel. The last few months that's been really apparent to me as well. And I think we've kind of as a generation been given two forks in the road opportunities in terms of where we go forward with our generation's values and the identity of our country. The first being what the mainstream media is really running a lot of interference for and normalizing right now. And that's what I call Hassan Piker, left, which is this all in Marxist, godless, atheist, violent vitriolic groupthink and authoritarianism. That seems really attractive because it appears to be kind of edgy and the things you wouldn't say even just five years ago. I mean this guy has become unbelievably famous on social media for saying that we should let the streets of America run Red with capitalist blood, the blood of landlords. Kill all your political Bolshevik.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Bolshevik, Bolshevik.
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Isabel
It is, it is, it is. Actual Marxist, insane, violent rhetoric. So that's choice one. Choice two is what I really have a lot of hope in, especially in the last nine months or so. And that's what I call Charlie Kirk conservatism. And what I love about Charlie is I'm starting to look at him now with this retrospective angle as not just my friend, but the leader of the conservative movement, as this modern founding father. And they say that every empire throughout human history, on average, rises and falls within 250 years. That is the average length of an empire. I don't find it coincidental that we are in our 250th year as a nation today, and we have to start asking ourselves as young people, just like our founders did at 18, 19, 20 years old in 1776, who are we? What do we believe in? What are we fighting for and what gives us hope to keep going tomorrow, not just to throw in the towel and replace this thing with all the of, of the failed empires of the past. Charlie, in this really unique way, ruffled a lot of feathers here in Washington. People forget that because he's a hugely unifying figure on the right right now, but when I worked in Washington the first time as an intern in the Trump administration in 2018, Charlie used to come through like three times a week. He was always in the Oval. He was always, you know, advising the president. And he'd come pop his head into my office and wave, and I'd wave back before he would leave, and dozens of people would come out of my office being like, you actually like that guy? You like that? That guy's crazy. I can't believe you like the he believes in, but he was different from these were RNC Republicans running. The 2018 White House surprised me. Charlie was the polar opposite of Washington. Right? It was about faith, family, and freedom, not government power, bureaucracy, career politicians here in Washington D.C. and as he got older and he got married and had children, he leaned into that so deeply, realizing that our priorities as conservatives, not just Republicans, really do have to be reoriented if we are going to survive as a society. It is a great idea, not this horrible socialist thing, but a great idea to offer wonderful maternity leave policies to your employees, which is why he put in six months of paid maternity leave right before. Did you know that, Sean?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
He expanded. I want to make sure I get it right. But basically he expanded the ability of people, women in his department to work from home after having a baby. I want you to bring him in to talk about it because it's sort of one of these things that he just did. And he was telling me kind of over coffee about something else and that kind of came up and I was like, that's awesome. That's amazing. Why doesn't anybody know this? Like, what? And he had people fighting him in the department not to do it.
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Isabel
Yep. Because it's not the conservative thing. I mean, people say this all the time. Similarly, Charlie was very outspoken about free speech and debates and engaging with young leftists on campus that even though college is a scam and he wrote the whole book on it, we dramatically need education reform because we can't just throw in the towel for these things. We have to create a new revolution. Public lands.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Right.
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Isabel
Charlie and Turning Point USA had a whole campaign about how conservation, land conservation and our national park system is actually a conservative value because it's your birthright to inherit these beautiful spaces. That is not the Republican party of my parents generation one bit. But as you think about Charlie as this modern, isn't it great how it
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
evolved into something better? Yes. The Reagan people keep going. We need to go back to Reagan. It's like, no, no, no. It's evolved and it's become, thanks to Charlie and others, more family friendly, more back to the roots of our Constitution, more faithful. Yes, continue.
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Isabel
I just wanted to get your thoughts on if you think about him as this modern founding father and the level of patriotism Today with our 250th birthday for the next 250 years, what do you hope to see out of your kids and our generation as we pick up that mantle?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
First of all, I love your generation. Your generation gives me a lot of hope. One of the last things that Charlie told me when I had a short conversation with him on telephone, but it was about business. I had another conversation with him during the four hours of my show in between. And literally one of the last things he told me was America first. He said america first. And so what I love about conservatives on the right is whatever the debate is, they are still thinking America first. And so that's very heartening. And that means they still love America. They want what's best for America, and they want America to live up to the promise and the sacrifices made by our founders and every other military man and woman who has fought for the ideals that are laid out in our founding documents. So that's great. Yesterday you were on my show and we talked about how Boomer. Church attendance going down all time low.
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Isabel
I think all time low.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Gen X flat. Your generation, Gen Z on the rise, doubling in the last year alone. So I think what's happened is I look at my own kids, they are so much smarter and more aware of government. We're not talking about America. I'm talking about government, the failures of government. Why I was so much more trusting. I believed all the lies that were told to me for the Iraq war. I believed all of it. I was defending a lot of it. And now I know that that was, you know, a lie. And I was fed lies and I believed it. My kids are questioning everything. Why? Because they went through Covid. They went through Covid and they saw all the lies and they saw that the government didn't give a crap about what happened to them during those years at all. Didn't care about young people, didn't care about old people.
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Isabel
Actually, those are the two that suffered the most. Actively hated you.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Not actively hated you.
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Isabel
They hated you and they lied.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
I mean, right now, one of the great greatest things that's happening is with Ron Johnson and Rand Paul and these people in the Senate who are uncovering all of the lies that killed people, literally killed people unnecessarily during that period of time that made life more miserable than it had to be. And it turns out maybe we actually funded the creation of this virus. And all of us kind of knew. And then the people who were forced to do unconstitutional things during that period, I mean, I remember I lived in this little town in Wisconsin when this was going on and I had to go to church. I went in secret. There was one priest. Go figure. He was the guy doing the Latin mass in our church, in our community. God bless him. God bless him. Cannon Huberfeld. And he was giving out communion in secret, like in a basement. I mean, like, this is. I mean, I received communion like I was a Chinese citizen in secret. I received the sacrament as if I was a first century Christian afraid of persecution. So we forget that these things. I'm able to process it because I know what life was in America before and I knew this was wrong. Just think about how many kids, they're like, is this what government is? And so this happened at a very formative age for them. And I mean, I have a son who dropped out of college. He was kind of one of those, I think, impacted by Charlie Kirk. He dropped out of college because it was during COVID and it was run like a. I mean, it couldn't be more communistic they were telling people to tell on, to tattle on their fellow classmates. If they were gathered together and they were tracking them, they're. Their phones were tracked with this app that would see if they were gathering with other people. And it's insane. They couldn't get into the dorms if, you know, if they broke any of these Covid rules, it was like living in China. And so he was like, screw this and he went off and he's a very successful in LA filmmaker right now. But I just, I can't believe what we went through. But I think for young people this was highly formative. And then they had the BLM riots and then they, they had, you know, all the lies that were told around that as well. And I just think they, they, they are savvier, they're smarter, they're questioning everything. And I think it's good. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not troubled by it.
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Isabel
It's what gives me.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
As long as it's America first, right? As long as it's about America first. Yeah.
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Isabel
There's no room for black pilling within that. Which I think is what a lot of people are taking the low hanging fruit on is, oh, they're questioning everything. Let's just sow all of these seeds. No, questioning everything is phenomenal, actually, because I think it's creating a generation of Renaissance thinkers again, where we can see things from multiple angles. We're falling in love with the arts again, we're falling in love with our faith again. The answer to our problems is not merely a government band aid and a government solution.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
And I think the Internet is, is. There's a lot of bad stuff that happens on the Internet. And I think Internet has made life very different in many, many ways worse for young people. However, I have seen that they're able to do their own research in a way that I wasn't able to do as easily. And so, you know, when any issue comes up, they can dig deeper. And that includes faith issues. I think part of the reason why you're seeing a move towards Catholicism, for example, so many young people becoming Catholics, a lot of people think it's just the aesthetics. Yes, our aesthetics are superior. It's beautiful and it's, you know, and truth and beauty go together. And I think people are very attracted to the beauty of it. And clearly if you're on Instagram and you see it's very visual and the aesthetics of Catholicism is appealing, but it's deeper because people are now able to access the church, early church fathers and so they're going, well, what is Catholicism? And then as they go back and they're able to, in their own dorm room, access these things, this information, these documents are like, well, when did Christians stop doing that? I mean, the early Christians were having, you know, communion. They were having basically the mass. It hasn't changed much since then. And so I think there's a lot of hope. They're much more informed than I. My kids are a thousand times smarter than I ever was. I look at the ones 18 and over. Not even close. Not even close. So I'm very. I'm very heartened by it.
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Isabel
Well, I sure am heartened by you and your family and this beautiful message that you've been sharing, not just with my generation, but every generation in our country today, that it's time to fall in love with what's good and true and beautiful. It's time to pursue God. And it's very importantly, time to fall in love with our country again. Here on our 250th birthday, Rachel, we're to going, where can people get a copy of your book and continue supporting you and your beautiful family?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Thank you. I hope everyone gets the book. You can also get it for your dad or your grandpa. It's a great Father's Day gift. It's a great graduation gift. You can go to foxbooks.com tomorrow. It hits all the bookshelves. So you can go to Amazon, you can go to Barnes and Noble. You can get it in all the normal places, but you can also go on fox news.com and foxbooks.com and you can get it order. Now. It'll come in time for Father's Day or whatever holiday graduation you're celebrating.
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Isabel
And before I forget, you took a big road trip with your family that has some fun, exciting eyes on it all over the Internet. Where can people watch all of the amazing content that came out?
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
So right now you can see the trailer is out. So you can catch the trailer. The episodes will all drop all at once. There's only like five episodes. Very limited. We've been asked for 20 years to do a reality TV show on my. On my family. My husband and I met on reality tv. My daughter Evita, who you know very well is literally the very first like child to come out of a reality TV couple. It's not Kanye and Kim Kardashian's children. It's actually a vita. It's actually a vita. So we filmed it in really short spurts, put it all together into five episodes, and it's gonna hit the YouTube. It'll be for free. Everybody can just watch it and hopefully get inspired to go on, not just a road trip with your family, but maybe it's just with your girlfriends or your buddies from college. Go on a road trip. See our beautiful. As you said, our parks, our national parks are amazing. We go to the Grand Canyon, we go to Yellowstone. You'll just sort of be inspired by the beauty, the grandeur of our country. There's no substitute. I know they're trying to introduce you guys to these virtual glasses, so you can just sit in your dorm room,
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Isabel
not in your bedroom.
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Rachel Campos-Duffy
Not just nothing, nothing. To love America, you got. You got to go on a road trip. Take your family, load everybody up, take your girlfriends, go on a girls trip to Charleston, wherever you want to go. But do something wonderful. Go meet new Americans. Go see another way of life. Go to a region that you're not familiar with. Love America, by the way. Hit the diners, Go off the beaten path. Don't just go to the fast food places off the highway. Try and get to know America and Americans. And I think more than anything, that will spark your love for this country.
- [62:25]
Isabel
What a beautiful message to leave people with. You know, I saw an Instagram post the other day that said, if you want to hate America, turn on the news. If you want to love America, drive across it.
- [62:34]
Rachel Campos-Duffy
Amen.
- [62:35]
Isabel
I'm taking a road trip this summer for sure. Rachel, thank you so much for joining us.
- [62:39]
Rachel Campos-Duffy
Thanks for having me.