Inside The Tyler Robinson / Charlie Kirk Hearings

Summary

The Isabel Brown Show – "Inside The Tyler Robinson / Charlie Kirk Hearings"
Date: July 7, 2026
Host: Isabel Brown
Podcast by: The Daily Wire

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Isabel Brown provides an in-depth breakdown of the highly publicized preliminary hearings in the Tyler Robinson case, where Robinson stands accused of assassinating conservative commentator Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University. The episode’s purpose is twofold: to clarify the purpose and process of preliminary hearings for listeners unfamiliar with court procedures, and to tackle the flood of misinformation and conspiracy theories circulating online. Isabel leverages personal connections, experience watching live streams from inside the courtroom, and public statements to cut through the noise, providing listeners with essential context and facts.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. What is Happening in Provo, Utah: Understanding the Hearings

• Preliminary Hearing, Not a Trial:
  • The current proceedings are a “probable cause” or preliminary hearing, not the full criminal trial ([00:48], [01:30]).
  • Purpose: To determine if enough evidence exists to take Tyler Robinson to trial—not to establish guilt or innocence yet.
  • No jury present; rules allow evidence such as hearsay; the defendant doesn’t yet enter a plea.
  • "Some legal experts are predicting that the actual trial won't even start until 2028... after speaking with most of the people intimately familiar with the case, it looks like the trial will probably actually kick off and start next summer, June or July of 2027." ([00:58])
• Media Circus:
  • Cameras are allowed; extensive media presence due to national interest in the case and Charlie Kirk's influence ([02:30]).
  • Isabel watched over seven hours of Court TV coverage to provide a firsthand account ([02:46]).

2. Prosecution’s Core Case and Bombshells

• Evidence of Robinson’s Presence on Campus:
  • Prosecution claims to have surveillance footage showing Tyler Robinson on the Utah Valley University campus four times on September 10th, both before and after the shooting ([03:28]).
  • This directly refutes viral rumors denying Robinson was present.
• Cause of Death—Definitive Autopsy:
  • Medical examiner’s report states Kirk died from “a gunshot wound to the neck,” not an “exploding microphone.” ([06:10]–[06:36])
    • Quote:
      • Agent Hole ([06:30]): "It was stated as a murder and manner of death as a gunshot wound to the neck."
      • Isabelle ([06:36]): “There you go. Definitively declared in an autopsy that Charlie was killed because of a gunshot wound to the neck, not an exploding microphone or whatever else we want to come up with today.”
• Robinson Turned Himself In:
  • Contrary to online speculation, Tyler Robinson allegedly contacted police himself to confess ([07:15]–[07:48]).
    • Quote:
      • Prosecutor ([07:20]): "On the Evening of the 11th we received word… that an individual in that area had reached out to law enforcement and was wanting to turn themselves in for the incident at UVU."
      • Agent Hole ([07:44]): “Yes, we did.”
      • Prosecutor: "And what was that name?"
      • Agent Hole: "Tyler Robinson."
      • Isabelle ([07:48]): “Interesting, considering I was told by every expert on this case on the Internet that Tyler never turned himself in…”

3. Emotional Dynamics and Viral Courtroom Moments

• Footage of the Shooting:
  • The judge visibly flinched while watching the incident video for the first time ([08:10]).
  • Reports surfaced of Robinson laughing with his defense lawyers during emotional moments, while Kirk’s family was distraught ([08:35]–[09:20]):
    • “One person who I personally know, sitting in the audience in the courtroom yesterday said he watched this moment unfold where Erica was crying hysterically and Tyler was laughing…”
• Admission Evidence:
  • Expected upcoming evidence includes a handwritten note from Robinson to "his furry trans boyfriend, lover Lance Twiggs," text messages, a Discord chat admission, and the fact that Robinson’s parents turned him in ([08:55]).

4. Video Evidence Controversy

• Defense Objection:
  • Defense objected to a prosecution video compilation showing Robinson on campus, arguing it was altered by adding zooms and highlights; prosecution plans to resubmit unedited footage ([10:00]).
  • Isabel clarifies: Editing for jury/judge convenience is common and not indicative of prosecutorial misconduct ([10:38]).
• Admissibility of Graphic Content:
  • Defense objected to admitting graphic footage of the shooting, claiming it could prejudice a future jury ([16:22]–[17:03]).
    • Quote:
      • Defense Attorney ([16:28]): “We would object… grounds that this video does in fact show a close-up view of the shooting of Mr. Kirk… we are particularly concerned about… their ability to get a fair trial if this is public published.”
      • Isabelle ([17:03]): “In what world is that remotely a thing? Of course, you need to see what happened to the victim in a criminal trial…”

5. Debunking Internet Conspiracies

• Family Relations Rumor:
  • Viral rumors suggested conflict between Kirk’s wife, Erica, and his parents due to separate courthouse entrances and press statements; all debunked by live feed observations ([12:15]–[15:12]).
  • Quote ([15:23]): "I'm sorry, seated together. I don't know what else to tell you."
• Prosecution ‘Hiding Evidence’ Claim:
  • Isabel points out that it was the defense, not the prosecution, objecting to evidence—contrary to trending conspiracy theories ([15:12]).
  • Clarifies the normalcy of defense tactics, especially in high-stakes cases ([17:03]).

6. Prosecution’s Evidence Plan

• Pending Evidence List:
  • Surveillance, drone footage, medical examiner’s report, ballistics, written admissions, Discord/text messages, and recorded statements expected ([18:20]).
  • Anticipation of forensic testimonies in coming days from FBI/ATF experts ([19:30]).
• Focus on Reality, Not Drama:
  • Isabel underscores the human tragedy, urging viewers not to become desensitized or treat the case like “a true crime podcast or Netflix special” ([20:20]).

7. The Political and Cultural Climate

• Charlie Kirk’s Warning:
  • Isabel played a passionate old quote from Kirk highlighting dangers for public MAGA figures ([23:57]–[25:28]):
    • Charlie Kirk ([23:57]): “This is not the last of the crazies that will do this… It is open season for anybody associated with MAGA.”
    • Further quote: “The average Democrat in this country, I truly believe does not care if Donald Trump dies… They are legitimizing and normalizing assassination attempts against conservatives...”
• Reaction to Political Violence:
  • Isabel links online calls for violence (e.g., against President Biden) to the Kirk case, arguing normalization of such discourse is dangerous and must be confronted ([26:19]).
• Plea for Civic Norms:
  • Isabel calls for civility, honest pursuit of justice, and shutting down politicized conspiracy theories ([27:30]):
    • “This hearing matters because this trial matters, because the normalization of political violence against people that you disagree with has become out of control…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trial Timing:

  • “Some legal experts are predicting that the actual trial won't even start until 2028, which is insane if you ask me.” ([00:56], Isabelle)

• On Autopsy Report:

  • Agent Hole ([06:30]): “It was stated as a murder and manner of death as a gunshot wound to the neck.”

• On Internet Misinformation:

  • “Tyler Robinson. Interesting, considering I was told by every expert on this case on the Internet that Tyler never turned himself in...” ([07:48], Isabelle)

• On Courtroom Emotions:

  • “Erica was crying hysterically and Tyler was laughing, laughing with his defense attorneys… as if this is some massive joke to him.” ([09:08], Isabelle)

• On Internet Conspiracies:

  • “You'd know that all of this was just hogwash. Sadly, we have the attention span of like a fruit fly in our society today...” ([11:40], Isabelle)

• On Respect for Judicial Process:

  • Family Statement ([13:00]): “Charlie was a beloved husband, son, brother, friend, and father. Every court proceeding serves as a painful reminder of his death and the loss that has irrevocably impacted our lives... We ask for continued privacy as we navigate this process and immense grief.”

• Charlie Kirk on Political Violence:

  • ([23:57]): “It is open season for anybody associated with MAGA... They are legitimizing and normalizing assassination attempts... If this is too much for you, go get drunk and watch football. We have a country to save and we will defeat these savages...”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:48] – Explanation of purpose and procedure for preliminary hearings
• [03:28] – Prosecution claims of Robinson’s presence on UVU campus
• [06:10]–[06:36] – Medical examiner’s testimony on cause of death
• [07:15]–[07:48] – Testimony that Tyler Robinson turned himself in
• [08:35]–[09:20] – Emotional moment in court: Robinson’s reaction, family’s grief
• [10:00]–[10:38] – Controversy over altered surveillance video submission
• [12:15]–[15:12] – Debunking rumors of family rift in Kirk family
• [16:22]–[17:03] – Defense objections to showing graphic shooting video; legal debate
• [18:20]–[19:30] – Evidence expected to be presented in court
• [20:20] – Emphasis on the real human cost, not just drama
• [23:57]–[25:28] – Charlie Kirk’s viral warning about political violence
• [26:19] – Social media wishing for political violence
• [27:30] – Isabelle’s plea for justice and national unity

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

Isabel Brown uses this episode to demystify ongoing court proceedings, correct viral misinformation, and humanize the tragedy of Charlie Kirk’s killing. She emphasizes the need for clear-headed pursuit of truth and warns against the normalization of political violence and conspiratorial thinking:

• The preliminary hearing is about establishing probable cause, not guilt.
• Official records and testimony directly contradict many internet rumors, from Robinson’s alleged alibi to the manner of Kirk’s death.
• Emotional and controversial moments—including behavior in court and video evidence—receive context and explanation.
• Family unity is affirmed; rumors of discord are debunked using direct observation.
• Brown urges listeners to rely on primary sources, not manipulated social media clips, reminding them of the real human stakes at play.

Ultimately, the episode asserts that pursuing the full truth in court is essential—not for show, but for justice and the health of American society.

Transcript

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Isabelle]

Yesterday kicked off the preliminary hearings for the Tyler Robinson case in Utah. And we learned a lot about Tyler, about the case that the prosecution is building against him as Charlie Kirk's alleged assassination assassin, and just how far the Internet conspiracy crazies will go to twist and turn and manipulate just about anything to fit their own narrative. Since there's so much noise online today about what's really going on in the courtroom in Provo, Utah, I thought it would be helpful to break down what these hearings actually are, to debunk some of the wild conspiracy theories I've seen floating around the last 24 hours, and to give you a chance to make up your own mind about the actual evidence presented in the courtroom about truth, not just viral Twitter arguments. Importantly, these hearings continue all week. So before you let your yourself get sucked into the craziest Internet conspiracy theory, or what the loudest podcaster in the room has to say, let's lay out where things stand right now, today, as of Tuesday, July 7, as I explained to you guys last week, this is a reminder that this is just a preliminary hearing. What we are watching happen in Utah this week is not the trial for Tyler Robinson. Some legal experts are predicting that the actual trial won't even start until 2028, which is insane if you ask me. But after speaking with most of the people intimately familiar with the case, it looks like the trial will probably actually kick off and start next summer, June or July of 2027. What this is that we are watching unfold this week in Provo, Utah, is the hearing in which the state of Utah gets to decide if enough evidence is presented to even take this thing to trial. The whole point of a probable cause hearing, which is what we're watching right now, is for the prosecution to create reasonable suspicion that the defendant in this case, Tyler Robinson, likely committed the crime. And if that reasonable suspicion exists. The next phase of all of this comes into event, which is going to trial. Since this is not a tr, there's some key differences to what usually takes place in a courtroom. There's no jury that you're going to see this week because the jury hasn't been picked yet. There's different rules of evidence than there are in a trial. For example, hearsay is permitted as evidence to be used against the defendant. And the defendant, really importantly, does not have to make a plea of guilty or not guilty. Which is why we haven't heard Tyler Robinson definitively say whether he did it or he claims that he did not. Like a trial, though both the prosecution and the defense will have their opportunity to present their case as to whether or not this should go to trial. The state goes first, and then defense gets to cross examine all of the witnesses that the state calls, followed by the defense in which the state gets to cross examine all of the people that they call. Which is what we started to see play out yesterday in Utah with the prosecution calling two very important witnesses in law enforcement and show a bunch of videos, enter a lot of stuff into evidence, and they'll keep doing that over the next couple of days until the defense takes over. This will go on throughout the week. Cameras are allowed inside the courtroom and the media has taken full advantage of this, sending most of their legal correspondence to descend upon Provo, Utah as this has turned into a national story because of Charlie's impact all over the world. I personally have several friends sitting in court this week alongside the Kirk family to show their support for Erica and Charlie's parents and to further provide a firsthand experience of what's really going on inside the courtroom, debunking a lot of the stuff getting taken out of context online. But even without me personally sitting in the courtroom yesterday, I sat through hours of live streams of Court TV from inside the courtroom itself. And you can too. And frankly, you should. Maybe not all seven and a half hours like I did yesterday, but at least it provided a whole lot of important context. Instead of letting yourself be completely taken on a ride by a 5 second clip manipulated wildly out of context on Twitter. Yesterday, the prosecution kicked all of this off by laying out how Tyler Robinson was even introduced to the police in Utah in the first place, how he came to be in custody, and how certain evidence was obtained linking him to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. They started telling the story kind of in the order in which the authorities received the information to begin with, not necessarily a chronological timeline. In the order of events, but a chronological timeline in which they started to put the pieces together that this was Charlie's alleged assassin. They really told the story of the investigation to the judge to definitively say, this kid needs to be put on the stand. He is who we are going to trial for. In that process, the prosecution interviewed two different police officers who were intimately involved with the investigation after Charlie was assassinated. And there were some big bombshells that came out from their testimony. The biggest one coming out from yesterday's first day of this hearing is that the state claims they have evidence of Tyler Robinson being on Utah Valley University's campus four separate times on September 10th of last year. This is really important because it's been claimed, I don't know, infinity times in the last 10 months on the Internet, that Tyler never set foot on UVU's campus, that he wasn't even there at UVU that day. But there are literally hours of footage of Tyler. Tyler walking around campus in his car, his vehicle on campus that day. And Prosecutors claim that four separate times on September 10, including before and after the shooting, Tyler Robinson was present at Utah Valley University. One of the officers also testified that Charlie's medical examiner's report, discussing Charlie's autopsy, definitively declared Charlie's cause of death to be a gunshot wound to the neck, which instantly shuts down any Internet conspiracy surrounding an exploding microphone or any other thing of the sort.

[Prosecutor]

I think it'd be a great idea. Judge, I've just got one last question with respect to the medical examiner's report. Agent Hole, in that report, does the doctor relate cause and manner of death?

[Agent Hole]

He does. Yes.

[Prosecutor]

Okay. And in that report, what is the stated cause of death?

[Agent Hole]

It was stated as a murder and manner of death as a gunshot wound to the neck.

[Isabelle]

There you go. Definitively declared in an autopsy that Charlie was killed because of a gunshot wound to the neck, not an exploding microphone or whatever else we want to come up with today. Just when you think this is going to be easier to talk about, it is not easier to talk about when it's actually your friend. As the hearing continued, law enforcement further explained that the Washington County Police Department, which is in and around St. George, Utah, where Tyler Robinson was from, shared with them the day after Charlie was killed that an individual in southern Utah had reached out to the Washington County Police Department to turn themselves in for killing Charlie. And the name of that individual was Tyler Robinson.

[Prosecutor]

Did anything else come along that helped you identify who that shooter might be?

[Agent Hole]

Yeah, eventually. On the Evening of the 11th we received word from Washington county that an individual in that area had reached out to law enforcement and was wanting to turn themselves in for the incident at uvu.

[Prosecutor]

Okay, and did you, at that point in time, did you receive a name from Washington County?

[Agent Hole]

Yes, we did.

[Prosecutor]

And what was that name?

[Agent Hole]

Tyler Robinson.

[Isabelle]

Tyler Robinson. Interesting, considering I was told by every expert on this case on the Internet that Tyler never turned himself in. He never would have admitted to doing this. And yet the prosecution clearly has testimony that Tyler Robinson called the Washington County Police Department to turn himself in the day after Charlie was killed. This means that prosecutors now have another angle in which they can take to prove that Tyler was Charlie's alleged assassin. There's a handwritten note from Tyler to his furry trans boyfriend, lover Lance Twiggs, which we actually expect to see with our own eyes in court this week. There's text messages exchanged between Lance and Tyler. There's an admission of guilt in a discord chat from Tyler. The fact that Tyler's parents actually brought him into custody and turned him in, and him seemingly turning himself in at this point as Charlie's killer, the day after he was assassinated. The big viral moment from the hearings yesterday is still really hard for me to watch. But was the judge reviewing the footage of Charlie being shot for the very first time? I count my lucky stars that I have never seen this footage. I've come very, very close many times because it is still out there on the Internet, which I hate about the Internet, frankly, but I just don't want to remember my friend that way. And I'm probably one of the last commentators on earth who has not watched that moment, because I just don't want to, frankly. But seeing a normal, instinctual human reaction to what happened to Charlie really shakes you to your core. So in that video, you see the judge visibly flinch at the moment Charlie was killed. And, of course, you hear the screaming and just the absolute pandemonium and chaos that took place on campus instantaneously afterward. But in the midst of this extremely solemn moment where evidence is being laid out in the courtroom, reports started emerging yesterday that Tyler Robinson was laughing, laughing, sitting there at this table in front of the judge and chuckling with his defense team while Charlie's family was extremely distraught and crying in the audience. One person who I personally know, sitting in the audience in the courtroom yesterday said he watched this moment unfold where Erica was crying hysterically and Tyler was laughing, laughing with his defense attorneys, which has happened before, by the way. The last time Tyler was caught laughing in court, I Think was in December. As if this is some massive joke to him. And people have the audacity to claim that this kid is so innocent and pure. Yeah, okay. Obviously was up all night thinking about this. Did not get a lot of sleep last night, but I was at least very comfortable because my family made the switch finally to a Helix mattress about a year ago. And I'm finally mostly besides last night, sleeping through the night with a baby that doesn't like to sleep in our house. She's allergic to sleep if you ask me. Felix has been a total game changer. Instead of just ordering random Amazon mattresses every single time my family moves, which is like once a year. But finally investing in a great mattress that makes all the difference in the world when it comes to your sleep at night. And that is the best investment you could possibly make in your life. Especially if you are parents to young kids like we are. They make it super, super easy on you with their Helix Sleep quiz that only takes a few seconds to complete on their website so that you can find the right mattress that works for you. They deliver it straight to your door in a box so you don't have to worry about hauling it all over town. And they even have free and a great warranty so that if it doesn't fit for you and it's not the right fit, you don't have to keep it forever. You guys can head to helixsleep.com Isabelle for 20% off site wide plus 25% off their luxe mattresses and 30% off their elite mattresses. Again, that's helixsleep.com Isabelle the big controversy from yesterday and what I'm seeing a lot of Internet sleuths really zoom in on surrounded a video compilation that was many, many minutes long submitted by the prosecution of all of the times they had seen Tyler on campus. And the reason that this video was ultimately not into evidence and why the defense objected to it was because the video had been altered in some way. Don't jump to conclusions. Just hang on a second. The video had various zoom ins, various red circle moments around the person that you're supposed to be looking at to identify the certain thing. Look over here and blurring the rest of the scene so that you can focus specifically on Tyler not being diluted by a whole bunch of dead air time or confusing things on the screen. The prosecution will be resubmitting that video into evidence today in the courtroom, unedited. But importantly, unlike what you're probably seeing on social media during a criminal trial, this is not highly unusual by any means. Stuff like this happens in trials all the time because you don't want someone, the judge or the jury to have to sit through hours and hours and hours of dead air time for video surveillance. And you also want to make the video seem as helpful as possible to know what you're supposed to be looking for. So don't read that as a sign that the video is inaccurate or massively altered for evidentiary purposes or trying to twist the truth. I have no doubt in my mind all of it will be entered into evidence today. As for the other Internet conspiracy theories, there were two that seemed to be floating around all over social media yesterday that really, really, really got under my skin. Because if you spent four seconds watching any of Court TV from yesterday or any of the live streams from inside the courtroom, you'd know that all of this was just hogwash. Sadly, we have the attention span of like a fruit fly in our society today, so unlikely you actually did. But one of the biggest was that there was some massive r between Charlie's wife, Erica, and his parents, Catherine and Robert, who happened to all be there together yesterday in Utah. In the courtroom, Erica put out a statement on behalf of Charlie's entire immediate family yesterday morning headed into court that said this. Charlie was a beloved husband, son, brother, friend, and father. Every court proceeding serves as a painful reminder of his death and the loss that has irrevocably impacted our lives and the lives of his children. We remain deeply grateful for the support, prayers, and kindness that we have received. This outpouring has sustained us during the darkest days of our lives lives. Out of respect for the judicial process, we will not be commenting further at this time. We ask for continued privacy as we navigate this process and immense grief. People first seem to be upset that Erica was putting out a statement on behalf of Charlie's immediate family, who she lists as his parents, Robert and Catherine, his wife Erica, obviously, and his sister Mary, saying, why does it take Erica to put out a statement for the whole family? Probably because all of the rest of them are private citizens and they don't have a public platform or even social media. Not that complicated to figure out. And this quickly escalated into the manner in which Charlie's family arrived at the courthouse yesterday. Considering that because of additional security measures, Erica had to be taken in through a back door. Probably because of the number of absolute psychopaths on the Internet who are also wishing my friend Erica dead, not content with what has happened to her husband. While Charlie's parents entered through the front door together. That then escalated into some crazy Internet rumor that started like halfway through the live stream in the courtroom saying that Erica wasn't sitting together with Charlie's parents. And this clearly was a sign that she is somehow implicated in all of this. Disgusting, first of all, but also just immediately debunked if you watched the actual court live stream where the minute they started talking about Charlie's death and the circumstances surrounding him being shot, the more graphic details that came out yesterday, Charlie's parents and Erica all rose and exited the courtroom together. I believe also with Don Jr. And his wife, who were there to support the Kirk family too, that the media

[Defense Attorney]

was not going to film exist and they're filming the ones that are on that screen. So I guess I just need to clarify that.

[Isabelle]

I'm sorry, seated together. I don't know what else to tell you. There was also this secondary conspiracy that really got under my skin. And it should for you too, frankly, because it is so obviously attempting to push a narrative that the prosecution was doing everything they could to block evidence from being heard in the courtroom yesterday. A doesn't even make any sense because as I just told you yesterday, as the start to the hearing was the prosecution's chance to lay out evidence, not the defense. That comes later in the week. So you have your timeline a little backwards if you're buying into something like this. But throughout the entirety of the day yesterday, it was the defense counsel, it was Tyler Robinson's attorneys who were routinely objecting to just about anything and everything being shown in the courtroom, especially video evidence, because they claim it was just too graphic and will impact people's opinions surrounding the case, which of course, like 99 of the American population has already seen the graphic video.

[Prosecutor]

Just the state would seek to admit. Exhibit 7.1. Ms. Nestor.

[Defense Attorney]

Thank you. Your honor. We would object to the admission on the grounds that this video does in fact show a close up view of the shooting of Mr. Kirk and grievous injuries in very stark relief. And because of that, we are particularly concerned about our constitutional claims we have made and are standing objection in terms of their ability to get a fair trial if this is public published. And I think again, okay, so in

[Isabelle]

other words, showing a close up video of Charlie being brutally assassinated, viciously killed is just too graphic that it would lead to an unfair trial. In what world is that remotely a thing? Of course you need to see what happened to the victim in a criminal trial in order to move forward with said criminal trial, regardless of who was put on the stand as the defendant. But no, that didn't stop the Internet people from claiming it was the prosecution, it was the government, it was the feds going out of their way to shut down any evidence from being presented in the courtroom whatsoever, when in reality the opposite was true. And not really surprising, by the way, because especially in a death penalty case, the defense team is going to do absolutely everything they can to stop as much evidence from getting out there that would potentially impact how a jury would think about this particular situation. 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So it kind of makes sense that they started with the big picture stuff. Here's what happened on campus, here's the surveillance footage on campus, the stuff we were sifting through immediately in the aftermath of Charlie's death. Here's how Tyler turned himself in and how we found out about all of this and about talking, took him into custody. And next they seem to be moving into witness testimony and or supporting evidence from people linked to Tyler before finally arriving at forensics and the more specific CSI criminology type stuff like DNA and fingerprints and all of that jazz. On the Charlie Kirk show last night, Andrew Colvett, Charlie's producer, ended up sharing a whole long list of evidence that the state has and intends to submit into admission during the preliminary hearings. This is the stuff that either we already have seen or can expect to see over the the next couple of days. They have drone images and surveillance footage of Utah Valley University. They have some written statements. They have videos of multiple angles of the shooting itself, which we know at least one of which was shown to the judge yesterday in court. They have medical examiner reports, photos of ballistics and rifles and all kinds of stuff. And then there's number 16 on the submission into evidence list, a recorded statement from Lance Twiggy or Lance Twigs, who is the transferee, boyfriend, lover, situation of Tyler Robinson, who we virtually have heard nothing from over the past 10 months, disappeared off the face of the earth after Tyler was taken into custody. And many people have presumed is in witness protection or has been promised immunity if he testifies against Tyler. There's also text messages exchanged between the two that we can expect to see. Discord chats, a handwritten note and a photograph of that note from Tyler to Lance and a whole lot more. So I think it begs the question, will we be able to watch the video or at least hear it for ourselves? Based on how videos were presented in the courtroom yesterday, today, I sure hope so. It's not graphic in nature in any way, and I think is pretty darn important to whether or not this deserves to go to trial. And from there, the prosecution will probably arrive at forensics and any hard, specific, tangible evidence that links Tyler to Charlie's assassination. On the evidence list, they have photos of rounds from the rifle, photos of targets found at his apartment. There's ATF reports and FBI reports and ballistics reports. So most of the witnesses that they'll probably call onto the stand in this, that scenario will be FBI experts and ATF experts and criminology related people who can provide an expert witness testimony as to what we are really looking at explaining that to the general public. Obviously this is all incredibly difficult for us to be watching, especially those of us who knew Charlie very personally and who know his family. It honestly feels so surreal watching all of this unfold. Like it doesn't really feel like I'm talking about my friend Charlie. It just like feels, feels like a true crime podcast. But I hope that this is a really powerful reminder for people that you're not watching a true crime podcast and you're not watching some HBO special or Netflix limited series. What we're talking about when we're talking about this trial is a real person, a really wonderful person actually, who had his life violently stolen from him prematurely because of the deranged mental insanity driven to violence of someone obsessed with trans ideology. Not to poke holes in too much of what's being said online, but obviously that's what's actually happening here. And he has a real family who was really impacted by all of this. So before you let yourself get sucked into every piece of noise or garbage conspiracy theory online, as this preliminary hearing continues this week and as eventually this goes to trial, I hope and I pray that you will heed not my words about why this matters so much, but Charlie's words as to why this matters so much. Yesterday, an old clip of Charlie was going viral all over again. And I don't think anyone could have said it more poignantly as to why we need to see justice here before assassination attempts on conservatives across the board become normalized. For as Charlie says, it's open season on anyone associated with maga.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is not the last of the crazies that will do this. Last of the. I know Matt Walsh has to have full time security. I have to have full time security. It is open season for anybody associated with maga. They can't beat us. So they are trying to deploy the shock troops of the base of the Democrat party to murder all of us. Not an exaggeration. They couldn't care less. They would delight and laugh if any one of us were to be murdered, that it's us. We need to tone down the rhetoric. We get shot at, we get death threats. And it's our fault because we are kind of, we magnetized all of you MAGA people, talking about how much you love the country and how you want to stop mass migration and you don't want to see Springfield, Ohio continually abused. Oh, you don't want to see Aurora, Colorado overrun with Venezuelan gangs like Trenda Agua. You deserve to die. I hear this all the time, by the way, from Democrats on social media where they say, charlie, be careful with this kind of language. Be awful if something happened to you. This is the type of mentality built into your average Diet Democrat. The average Democrat in this country, I truly believe does not care if Donald Trump dies. They're just upset it hasn't happened yet. They are legitimizing and normalizing assassination attempts against conservatives. They're not going to stop everybody. And if this is too much for you, go get drunk and watch football. We have a country to save and we will defeat these savages, these savages that want us all dead, you included.

[Isabelle]

Was Charlie on his show on September 15, 2024, almost one year to the day before he would be victimized by these savages, which honestly takes me back. I wasn't even going to include this in the episode today to a video I had seen posted a few days ago for the fourth of July in which we were experiencing a record heat wave here in D.C. in case you didn't know that already and under the desk news, a news TikTok account shared this on TikTok Trump is refusing to cancel the July 4th rally even though temperatures in D.C. could hit 107 degrees. He claims he'll be there at 1pm during the height of the heat of the day to speak for two hours. Unrelated, unrelated, three presidents have died on July 4th in a year ending in six. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in 1826 and James Madison in 1836. By the way, this isn't true. It's a lie. Actually, James Madison did not die on the fourth of July. It was James Monroe. But like cool go off.

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[Isabelle]

And the comment section of this video you heard Charlie, the average person buying into this stuff today would not bat an eye, would not be upset, would not be disappointed if the President of the United States States was assassinated. They're just upset it hasn't happened yet. These Comments took me back instantaneously to the day and the day after Charlie was killed. Let him cook. Let him cook. Hoping the President dies of heat stroke on the fourth has such a nice ring to it. I think I speak for all millennials when I say this is one more unprecedented event we're not only willing, but happy to live through. The universe has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever. I would immediately go to Old Navy and purchase a flag shirt if the President of the United States died on the 4th of July. Mariah CAREY VAUGH voice It's time. The sun has one job tomorrow. What a cool anniversary it would be. Here we go. Heat stroke. Here we go. Clap, clap. Best 250th year anniversary gift I could ask for. He has the rare opportunity to finally make it the 250th we all deserve. Please, God, I know we haven't spoken since 2014, but hear me out. Not only is it 254th of July, but it's also my 19th wedding anniversary, and that's all I'm asking for. God, it's me. I don't talk to you often, if, like, at all. But hear us now. Hear all of us right now. Do your thing, man. Come on. And, of course, most simply, don't get my hopes up like this. My hopes. This hearing matters because this trial matters, because the normalization of political violence against people that you disagree with has become out of control in this country by a growing faction that is not the radicalized, loudest people on the Internet, but normal people, everyday people. I still believe we have the chance to reverse it if we have the courage to just be patriotic and to be neighbors and to be Americans again. And we've seen a little bit of that in the realm of the World Cup. Sadly, we're out now, so I'm sure that's going to end pretty quickly. And I saw a whole lot of that here in Washington, D.C. for the Fourth of July, too. But make no mistake about it, this is lurking underneath the surface. And it's why what Charlie dedicated his life to, what he gave his life to, remains so important in just learning to talk to people, have a conversation with people, openly disagree with people that think differently than you do. We should never be hoping for the death of people that we disagree with, murder or heat stroke or otherwise. And I hope that this trial shuts down any and all of that, not to mention all of the insane conspiracy theories for people trying to let this kid off the hook because they care about Charlie somehow Because in the end, truth wins. And if we're not seeking the legitimate pursuit of justice in our country, what are we even doing?