The Isabel Brown Show
Episode: "Margaret Sanger to Men Buying Babies: The (Real) War on Women’s Rights"
Guest: Seth Gruber
Date: October 16, 2025

Overview

This episode, released on the centennial of Margaret Sanger opening her first clinic (October 16, 1916), explores the historical and ongoing impacts of the abortion industry in America, tracing its roots to eugenics and discussing its modern evolution, including topics like “men buying babies,” surrogacy, new reproductive technologies, and the emerging role of men in the pro-life movement. Host Isabel Brown and guest Seth Gruber, founder of the White Rose Resistance and creator of "The 1916 Project," provide a provocative conversation aiming to expose the legacy of Sanger, Planned Parenthood, and the intersection with men’s involvement in defending life.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Why Men’s Voices Matter in the Pro-Life Movement

(00:00–13:30)

• Isabel confronts the phrase "no uterus, no opinion," arguing men’s silence contributed to society reaching a point where men are actively involved in reproductive decisions, including through surrogacy and new technologies bypassing women's involvement.
• Highlights how cultural expectations for men have shifted; men’s leadership in defending life is now often labeled as "toxic masculinity."
• Isabel brings up recent legal cases where men sue over abortions performed without their consent. She lauds Jerry Rodriguez, a Texas plaintiff, for attempting to protect both his girlfriend from coercion and his unborn children:

  "In any society based in objective truth, we would call this man the best feminist in the United States of America today." (12:22)

2. Revisiting Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood’s Roots

(15:14–21:00)

• Seth Gruber shares his upbringing in the pro-life movement and his personal “awakening” to the spiritual roots of the abortion debate, especially among faith communities that avoid speaking out for cultural acceptance.
• He introduces "The 1916 Project" film/book, detailing how Sanger’s eugenicist and sexual revolution agenda shaped American culture and law.

  "Probably most of the hate of the modern era flows through Margaret Sanger and the founding of...Planned Parenthood." (17:29)

3. Abortion as the "Linchpin" of Modern Liberal Establishment

(19:00–23:00)

• The left sanitizes abortion through euphemisms like "choice," disconnecting the act from its reality.
• Isabel plays a clip showing bipartisan praise for Sanger, juxtaposed with her own damning quotes advocating eugenics.
• Seth characterizes abortion as foundational to the left’s project:

  "Abortion is almost the linchpin upon which the liberal establishment swings. But what happens when you pull out a linchpin? The door falls off." (19:26)

• Sanger’s quoted as saying:

  "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world...that have no chance in the world to be a human being, practically—delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just mark when they’re born." (20:19)

4. The Spiritual, Cultural, and Sexual Paradigm Shift

(21:10–30:35)

• Seth discusses how abortion and related movements (gender theory, sexuality, etc.) are spiritual issues—parodies of Christian sacraments. He draws direct parallels between feminist chants ("my body, my choice") and Christian liturgy, arguing they invert holy meaning.

  "Abortion is the demonic parody, parody, mock, invert, pervert of the Eucharist...That’s why it uses the same holy words, this is my body, but with the opposite blasphemous meaning." (26:14)

• Planned Parenthood's influence extends into sexual education, which Gruber claims was intended to secure the long-term existence of legal abortion.

5. Gen Z, COVID, and a Resurgence of Masculinity

(33:27–41:41)

• Seth argues that young men—especially Gen Z—are waking up due to the failures of institutions during COVID lockdowns. Experiencing lies and loss firsthand, they're more ready to fight for truth and cultural renewal.

  "The enemy always overplays his hand...Reality always reasserts itself in the end." (34:07)

• Men’s absence or negative presence is the dominant factor leading women to choose abortion:

  "Almost every reason a woman gives for why she’s going to kill her baby has to do with the presence of a deadbeat father or the absence of any father." (36:49)

• Seth challenges the church and pro-life leaders to study history for clarity in the present, referencing G.K. Chesterton:

  "History is a hill or a high point of vantage from which alone a man sees the town in which he lives and the age in which he is living." (40:14)

6. Eugenics: The American and Nazi Connection

(41:41–49:27)

• Isabel introduces a film clip showing Hitler citing American law and eugenicists, including Sanger’s associates, as inspirations for Nazi sterilization and extermination programs.

  "The Nazis were actually studying what we were doing." (43:38)

• Seth shares the story of Leon Whitney, Madison Grant, and Sanger’s connections to Nazi Germany and the KKK, showing correspondence from Hitler praising American eugenicists’ works as “his Bible.”

  "Anyone who talks about systemic racism...and is pro choice, is a fraud and you should ignore them. There’s a black genocide happening in America today due in no small part to Margaret Sanger." (48:22)

• Sanger's Negro Project is quoted:

  "The mass of Negroes, particularly in the south, are still breeding carelessly and disastrously...least intelligent and least fit." (47:16)

7. The New Reproductive Frontier: Men Buying Babies & Surrogacy

(51:00–62:30)

• Isabel details the rise in single and gay men seeking surrogacy, highlighting a "Men Having Babies" conference and the growing movement—and business—of men seeking to parent children intentionally without women; connects it to a culture that has devalued both motherhood and fatherhood.

• Scientific advancement is covered: through IVG (in vitro gametogenesis), male DNA can be used to create eggs, making it possible for two men to produce a biological child without female genetic material.

  "82 genetically unique human beings that have never existed before...were created in this study...entirely from male DNA...and were killed." (58:47)

• Isabel and clips from TikTok also address the increasing discussions around uterus transplants for trans women, surrogacy robots (developed in China), and ethical implications—the commodification of children and women.

8. Exposing NIH Abuses and the Power of Truth

(62:30–66:06)

• Viral TikTok exposes NIH-funded experiments involving fetal tissue, animal hybrids, and alleged Dr. Fauci involvement. Isabel expresses visceral horror and emotional plea as a mother at this dehumanization, again calling for courageous truth-telling.
• When exposed, the NIH discontinued these grants quickly, illustrating the impact of public accountability.

Memorable Quotes

• Isabel Brown:

  "We need men, men's voices, men's leadership and strong masculinity with that protective instinct to speak up for the most vulnerable people in our society." (05:10)

• Seth Gruber:

  "If it's true that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, then it is equally true that the hand that wrecks the cradle ruins the world." (21:36)

• On feminism and spiritual inversion:

  "Abortion says, this is my body, I break you, baby, for me. But Christ says, no, this is my body, I break it for you." — Seth Gruber (27:01)

• On the pro-life movement's aim:

  "Our fight is not just to make abortion illegal, it is to make abortion, more importantly, culturally unthinkable." — Isabel Brown (14:41)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00–13:30: Opening, men’s role in abortion debate, Jerry Rodriguez case
• 15:14–21:00: Seth’s background, introduction to "The 1916 Project"
• 19:00–23:00: Abortion as linchpin, Sanger’s historical context
• 21:10–30:35: Spiritual/theological analysis of sexual revolution and abortion
• 33:27–41:41: Gen Z men, COVID, masculinity, Guttmacher Institute’s data
• 41:41–49:27: Nazi-American eugenics connection, Sanger, Planned Parenthood, black genocide
• 51:00–62:30: Surrogacy, IVG technology, men 'buying' babies, cultural implications
• 62:30–66:06: NIH fetal tissue experiments, public exposure, calls to courage

Notable/Memorable Moments

• (12:22) Isabel praises Jerry Rodriguez as the “best feminist” for his willingness to defend both his girlfriend and unborn child against coercive abortion.
• (19:26) Seth calls abortion the “linchpin” of the liberal establishment.
• (26:14) Seth’s analogy of abortion as a demonic inversion of the Eucharist, a key spiritual insight.
• (43:38) Isabel and Seth discuss Hitler’s direct inspiration from American eugenicists and Sanger’s inner circle.
• (47:16) Margaret Sanger’s own words in the Negro Project proposal are read on air.
• (58:47) Isabel describes the scientific creation of embryos from male DNA, emotional reaction to their destruction.
• (62:30) Viral video and discussion on NIH experiments using fetal tissue and the rapid government response when exposed.

Conclusion & Call to Action

• Seth urges listeners to learn from history ("ascend the hill of history") and engage actively in defending life.
• Isabel emphasizes this is a fundamental battle of good and evil, a "fight for the most innocent and vulnerable people in society."
• Both stress that men must reclaim their courage and voice, citing the consequences of passivity.

Further Information

• The 1916 Project: Streaming on Daily Wire Plus; book available at the1916project.com for additional historical documents.
• Key figures mentioned: Jerry Rodriguez, Margaret Sanger, Alan Guttmacher, Madison Grant, Leon Whitney, Lothrop Stoddard.
• Other issues referenced: Surrogacy industry, reproductive technology, gender ideology, NIH fetal experiments, sexual education in public schools.

“Keep telling the truth, you courageous, courageous patriots out there. It's an honor to be in the fight with all of you.”
— Isabel Brown (66:20)