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Margaret Sanger to Men Buying Babies: The (Real) War on Women’s Rights ft. Seth Gruber
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Today on the Isabel Brown show, we are joined by my courageous friend Seth Gruber to talk about the century of death and destruction from Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood and how the abortion industry in America has destroyed human rights as we know it, but how young men can pick up a microphone to fight back, moving forward, destroyed, go anywhere. We're unpacking it all right here today on the show. Today, October 16, 2025 is the 100 year anniversary of infamous Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger opening her very first abortion clinic and in the United States of America. It is a chilling time to look back on our nation's history in the last century, to know the century of death and destruction that has been systemically programmed into society by a radical, insane, evil person who is not, as we currently herald her, a champion of women's rights, of feminism, of equality and progress, but instead was and should remain a known eugenicist intent on creating a perfect race of people in the United States and weeding out anyone she deemed as undesirable. I am incredibly passionate about the pro life cause. I spend a lot of my time as a content creator and as an activist from a boots on the ground perspective, speaking out on what clearly is the largest by numbers genocide that has ever happened in human history. And that is the abortion industry right here in the United States of America. America, but especially in a post Roe v. Wade society after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022 by the Grace of God. It has been fascinating to see how the abortion conversation is continuing to evolve. One of the new highlighting frontiers of the pro life movement has really been the role that men need to play in speaking up for life. I know, I know you're going to say to yourself, isabel, no uterus, no opinion. But, but apparently you don't even need a uterus to be a woman. Now you can have a uterus and be a man. So all of the rules have gone out the window in the year of our Lord 2025. And my brothers in Christ, we desperately need men, men's voices, men's leadership and strong masculinity with that protective instinct to speak up for the most vulnerable people in our society who lack the capacity to speak up for. For themselves. Already that is being highlighted by our mainstream media apparatus, by the legacy left wing establishment in politics and the academic world, as toxically masculine, as dangerous for society, and all out regressing women's rights because how dare men have a voice in 2025 and beyond. But I wanted to start the episode today before we highlight the efforts of one particular man who is doing everything he can to crusade for these innocent babies in the womb and beyond. Our friend Seth Gruber, who will be joining us in a moment. I want to start today with a piece I saw in the Wall Street Journal just a few days ago that shook me to my core in how they wrote this article. There is a new frontier in the law, it turns out, of men, fathers of babies who are being aborted, suing over wrongful death for, for, for their children, on behalf of their children when their girlfriends, wives, et cetera, choose to abort their baby without their consent. This headline from the Wall Street Journal ran just a few days ago. The men suing over their partners abortions. And read this byline with me. This is wild. The anti abortion movement. I'm glad they're using that language. For one we'll come back to that is encouraging partners and ex partners who say they were harmed by abortions of their unborn children. Of course, reading this headline, you can already tell the ideological slant that's going to happen here. But first and foremost, let me say I am grateful that the mainstream media is being honest that we are the anti abortion movement and that actually is not a rebranding from the left or from the pro abortion side of things or the pro choice side of things side of things. This has been an intentional rebranding from the pro life community. Many of us have been saying for years we need to be honest and say we are not just pro life because everybody's pro life. Ultimately that's an easy thing to say. That you are. We need to say that we are anti abortion, that we are fighting every day against the lies, death and destruction of the abortion industry. So kudos to you, Wall Street Journal, for using that language strategically. But throughout this article, they go out of their way to attack pro life and anti abortion activists like our friend Kristen Hawkins, the founder and president of Students for Life of America. They talk about how these insane red state attorneys general like Ken Paxton of Texas, who does great work, by the way, are using the law, weaponizing the law to have men sue their girlfriends and sue their wives for just exercising their bodily autonomy. But along the way they're actually having to admit that there is kind of a legal basis for this. And this seems to be the next frontier in how men can speak up on behalf of their innocent children being slaughtered violently by organizations like Planned Parenthood. They highlight one lawsuit in particular, or one specific father, I should say in particular, which we'll throw up here for you right now, who lives in Houston. And they said one man in the Houston area last month filed two lawsuits alleging that his girlfriend's estranged husband. So he is dating a woman who I guess legally is still married, but they are no longer together. Her ex husband and her mother forced her, hmm. Forced her to take pills prescribed by a California based doctor to end two pregnancies. Remember the other day we talked about on the show. I'm going to leave this up for you so we can keep reading it, but remember the other day we talked about on the show how doctors are prescribing birth control pills or not even doctors, just clinics all across the world, even in Europe, are sending abortion pills through the mail without ever taking a pregnancy test, without ever seeing a doctor. And how people were using this, particularly in the arena of human trafficking, the pornography industry, and I guess now in abusive relationship situations to force women to end their pregnancies against their will. H. The Wall Street Journal is painting these lawsuits as anti woman, as men abusing women by suing them. But what I see here in this particular story that they included to try to fit their narrative, is a courageous man willing to stand for the dignity of his girlfriend when an abusive ex husband and an abusive mother are putting her life at risk from dangerous abortion pills that are always life threatening to the mother and of course end the life of their baby without any doctor supervision whatsoever. This guy is trying to end the abuse of his girlfriend and the media is painting him as the bad guy. The plaintiff's name is Jerry Rodriguez. He says that his girlfriend was happy to be pregnant by him both times. This is the second time that this has happened. Happened. But that her ex husband ordered abortion pills for her. How dangerous and unregulated is this industry? This is insane. From an online provider that ships abortion drugs to states with bans. Probably the one we reacted to on the show the other day. Go back and watch that episode if you haven't had a chance to. And then pressured her. Reid forced her to take them. The article goes on to say he's seeking to sue on behalf of current and future fathers of unborn children. And and the ask specifically he is asking a judge to block the doctor from sending abortion pills through the mail. This man, Jerry Rodriguez, is not anti woman. Is not a toxically masculine misogynist trying to roll back generations of women's rights in society. This man is a hero. And in any society based in objective truth, we would call this man the best feminist in the United States of America today. He is crusading on behalf of the rights of women who are being forced to take abortion pills, killing their children and putting their lives on the line every single time against their will. And on behalf of the human rights of the innocent children who have no one to speak for them in our legal system, in our political discourse, in our academic institutions, or anywhere else in American culture. Jerry, you are a hero. We are very closely following these lawsuits and I'm excited that hopefully we'll have a chance to dive deeper into them in the show in the next couple of months. Protecting our babies is so, so important in the society that we are living in today. And that even includes protecting the air that they breathe. You guys know that my mascot, sidekick, best friend is my dog, Liberty. Liberty the corgi who frankly should replace the bald eagle as the national mascot of the United States. 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You can visit rabbit air.com or call them 24. 7 to speak to a Rabbit Air consultant. But this is what it takes men. It takes men to speak up, to fight, to say, I don't care if you say no uterus, no opinion. That is my child too. And until we see this beautiful renaissance and resurgence of traditional masculinity in our society, fight to protect the most innocent and vulnerable people around us, I don't think we will truly see a deliverance from the evil of the abortion industry in America in 2025 or beyond. You guys know, we often say in the pro life space that our fight is not just to make abortion illegal, it is to make abortion, more importantly, culturally unthinkable. And I am incredibly excited to see men like this plaintiff, Jerry Rodriguez in Texas and like our friend Seth Gruber, put on the full armor of God and say consequences and backlash and societal reputation destruction be damned. I am going to speak the truth and fight for these innocent children and the women harmed by the abortion industry, no matter what the cost. Seth Gruber, our friend, the founder of the White Rose Resistance, has made it his mission to encourage young men in society to speak up on behalf of babies and to crusade in the anti abortion movement to end a century of destruction and death in our country rooted in eugenics and One of the most powerful ways that he is doing that is through his movie and book, the 1916 Project, which takes a historical lens back through the history of the abortion industry in America. To tell you the honest truth of exactly who Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, really was, exactly what her goals for society were, exactly how the Nazi party and Adolf Hitler were learning from Americans about what they could do to be more effective in eugenics and how young men can pick up that torch and continue fighting moving forward so that we never face another century like the last one again. As of today, his film the 1916 Project, is streaming exclusively on Daily Wire plus, which we are so excited for you guys to have a chance to see. But I'm also excited to be welcoming Seth Gruber into our episode today to talk a little bit about the film and the incredible work that he's doing with young men. My friend, Seth Gruber. Happy movie day with Daily Wire, the 1916 project coming to Daily Wire plus today. We are so excited to have you on the Isabel Brown Show. And can you tell those who don't know you yet a little bit about yourself and your ministry and the work you do to defend life?
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Yeah. Thanks, Isabelle. Yeah. Today is the 109th anniversary of when this demoniac who was into weird sex stuff named Margaret Sanger opened her first clinic in the Brownsville Neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, 109 years ago today, October 16th. The 1916 project will rip your face off and you'll feel like you've been lied to about everything. But I think we've all been feeling like that since 2020. Anyways, I was raised in the pro life movement. I was a homeschool kid through eighth grade, which is why I'm somewhat sane. And then I went to a public high school because I wanted to. Then I went to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara down the street from Oprah's house. And I realized, Isabel, what I learned there is, wow. The problem is not necessarily or primarily wicked pagan mother Gaia, second wave butch feminist lesbians destroying the culture. The problem, way more than that, is the righteous who ought to know better, who are too busy doing more spiritual things, or the pastors who will only speak as much truth as the spirit of the age allows them to, lest they lose their 501c3 status than the accolades and attaboys from the culture. And so, unfortunately, I had to learn to fight or to contend for life. The family, precious little babies at a Christian college. And then I started doing pro life speaking and Then kind of the rest, history. We launched the White rose resistance in 2022, and we were honored to have you speak at one of our conferences in D.C. the day before the March for Life. And so this project and this film, it's a book as well, Isabel, for people that want to dive deeper, is really the hidden history of the secular sexual moral revolutionaries who were architecting the culture of death that has all of us like, oh, my gosh, in the 21st century. But they were moving gradually and intentionally to. To destroy the foundations of the American republic, which is the family at the beginning of the 20th century. And the left has done a very good job for decades, Isabel, curating, editing, managing the most shocking and disgusting aspects of that movement and of that revolution. And my contention is probably most of the hate of the modern era flows through Margaret Sanger and the founding of one of the largest, best funded and Most profitable, profitable 501 C3 organizations in human history, Planned Parenthood.
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You articulated that so well, Seth. And we talk about that on the show here all the time. In fact, when we launched the Isabel Brown show with the Daily Wire, gosh, six weeks ago now, our very first episode was talking about how the American Communist Party had planted little seeds along the way 60, 70, 80 years ago to manifest exactly where we are here and how often righteous people wake up decades later and they say, oh, my gosh, how on earth could we have gotten here? This is so insane. This all happened overnight, when in reality, it never happens overnight. These people have a very clear agenda of what they wanted to accomplish, and they were very honest and open about it along the way. Good people just heard that and said, that's crazy. That would never happen. That's so far insane and way out of the zeitgeist of American culture. But in reality, they're just giving you the playbook of what they want to happen. I have a clip from the movie here that I'd love to get your thoughts on through that lens. You talk about in the film abortion being the linchpin of the liberal establishment and how Margaret Sanger really is this central keystone figure of the modern American left, how it's influencing American politics today. Let's take a look at this, and then I want to get your thoughts on the other side.
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The left does a good job of making things that are evil sound good. Instead of saying that you're killing your baby, we say simple things like, you know, a mom deserves the right to have choice. Choice to do what? Choice to murder.
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Admire Margaret Sanger enormously her courage, her tenacity, her vision.
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Critical work that Planned Parenthood does on behalf of America's women and every day. It's been nearly 100 years since the first health clinic of what later would become Planned Parenthood opened its doors to women in Brooklyn. What Christians often don't understand in the culture wars and in the fight for life is that abortion is not just one issue among many. Abortion is almost the linchpin upon which the liberal establishment swings. But what happens when you pull out a linchpin? The door falls off. And so when Roe v. Wade gets overturned and that linchpin starts getting lifted off, the liberal establishment lost their minds because they're treating it like a religious sacrament. When Mrs. Margaret Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United states back in 1916, birth control was a dirty word. I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world.
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That have diseased from their parents, that.
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Have no chance in the world to be a human being, practically.
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Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just mark when they're born.
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That, to me, is the greatest sin.
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That people can commit. So, Seth, people like Hillary Clinton, people like Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, the entire left wing establishment today heralds Margaret Sanger as a hero, as a win for women's rights, as someone who was a cultural champion of equality in society. But I'm hearing from her own words that she was anything but for equality. What did you learn about Margaret Sanger in preparing for this book, in this film? And what do the the liberal establishment need to know about her today?
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Thank you, Isabelle. Yes, because go watch the 1916 Project on, on Daily Wire plus or host a screening at your church. And then when your whole church goes home to tell their friends, tell them they can only watch it at Daily Wire plus. Yeah. And you know what, Isabelle? That was a mild clip. Like she is so much worse than that. She's been called the patron saint of feminism and it's it. I guess I put it this way, Isabelle. If it's true that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, then it is equally true that the hand that wrecks the cradle ruins the world. It's so important to understand why the left is so obsessed with baby killing. And there's a few other issues. The sexualization of children, gender theory. There are certain issues that whenever they're threatened, the liberal establishment, the sexual, secular, moral revolutionaries lose their flipping minds and then they walk in lockstep to protect whatever those core sacraments are. You know, you Heard Sanger say the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world. You know, delinquents, criminals, just marked when they're born. That, to me, is the greatest sin a person can commit. Why is that so key to understanding where we are Right now in 2025, on this 109th anniversary of Sanger opening her first clinic and to understanding this revolution that's been brewing for a long time in America. Because one of the things that the early Romantics understood. Isabelle. Yes, I'm talking like French Revolution, like craziness, is that to change culture, you had to go back to the beginning of culture and rewrite it. Like, why is it that the most fundamental core issues that cause the left to go are like the things we see in Genesis 1 through 3, like, be fruitful and multiply Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Okay, like, what's that scene from the office? It doesn't work. You know, Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and subdue it. Exercise dominion. The Adam is the head. But then she's going to try to rule over Adam, and then Adam, the ground's going to be cursed because of you. Curse. It is the ground. And so, like all of this. So they love socialism because it destroys the really, the inherent desire of man to work that he's supposed to actually work the ground. Feminism. Screw men. We don't need men. You know, that's like. Anyways, all these core issues on the left, you're like, okay, that's just Genesis 1 through three issues. Like this new thing that they're doing right now. I just did an episode on my show, actually, we need to get you on as well on the Seth Gruber Show. It's not. It's not ivf. They're now pushing IVG in vitrio Gambia to Genesis. And so now Pete Buttigieg and his fake husband Jason, they can. They can buy a woman's female gametes, strip it of its nucleus, then put Chasens chromosome to male skin cells into the female oocyte nucleus. So it's a male chromosomed female egg stripped of its female nucleus. And then they take Buttigieg sperm. And now, now they can make babies. They can both be daddies and there's no mother at all. So that's called in vitro gamniotogenesis. Why is the word genesis in there, Isabel? Because the left has always understood that to rewrite culture, you go back to the beginning of culture and you write a new story. You recreate man in his own image in your own image. And so that's so key to understanding Sanger. She once said in her first. Actually, volume one of the Birth Control Review, her magazine, she said, our ultimate objective is unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children. And you're like, yeah, thanks for putting it so bluntly there, Sanger. So they just, you just want orgasms without responsibility. You, you want sex stripped of the way it was designed to be. And you'll kill any babies that are a result of your sexual choices. So this is why you start going, wait a second. They, they off. They operate awfully religiously, don't they, Isabel? And so listen, what is. What's been the core chant of the, of the feminazis since the, you know, cat tip to Rush Limbaugh? The feminazi, since the 60s and 70s, they've been screaming, this is my body, my choice. I mean, like, I've talked to pro life warriors who were fighting for the unborn in the 60s and 70s. They're like, dude, they were saying that. Then this is like the core phrase they've been chanting. If there was one phrase that represented I want to kill my baby, it's this is my body, my choice. Yeah, well, those are the words of our Savior at the first communion and the Last supper. Like, shocker, this is my body. I break it for you. So take and eat remembrance of me, for I will not eat this bread or drink of this vine until I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom. How like the character of the enemy of our souls, Isabel. To say, you know what? Just like the rainbow now represents all of the same kind of activities that caused God to wipe Sodom out in the first place. They were put in place things in places they weren't supposed to put them. Okay, they were having sex with everything. So God says, I'm murdering the whole world. Actually, God can't murder people. He only changes their location. But you're all done. Except Noah and his family. You're all done. And here's a sign that I'm never going to wipe you all out again. And now the rainbow is the sign of the same kind of sexual degeneracy that caused God to judge. So Satan can't create. Like, theologically, he cannot create. There's only one creator. All he can do is invert, pervert, copycat and mock that which God already made and declared good. So how like Satan to say, you know what? Here's how I'm gonna. Yes, I believe there's demonic influence on Specific individuals in the culture wars. Isabel. Shocker. Yeah. Every Christian should believe that Satan goes, here's how we're going to get people to celebrate abortion. I'm going to make them. I'm going to give them a phrase to quote the King of Kings, who entered human history in a uterus to redeem mankind from their sins and then predicted and pulled off his own resurrection and that went and let himself be murdered for the forgiveness of sins. Quote him to celebrate baby killing. So abortion says, this is my body. I break you, baby for me. But Christ says, no, this is my body, I break it for you. And so Peter Kreeft, one of my favorite Catholic philosophers, says, don't you know, church abortion is the demonic parody, parody, mock, invert, pervert of the Eucharist. That's why it uses the same holy, holy words, this is my body, but with the opposite blasphemous meaning. Of course, abortion is theological. Of course, abortion is a spiritual issue. People have been killing babies for millennia. We see in Judges 6, we see throughout the Old Testament as well, the two sins that have been linked since time immemorial in is weird sex, cult stuff and baby killing, they're always linked, right? So. So what you'll learn, one thing you'll learn in my film is that Planned Parent is not only the largest abortion provider in the world, they're the. They, they claim on their website they're the largest provider of the pornographic, comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools. That the filthy porn stuff and gender theory that causes moms to go scream at school board members in this viral school board movement, like all that filth in the schools. Planned Parenthood says on their website we're the largest provider. Okay. Oh, that's right. Weird sex stuff and baby killing. And then when Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, Isabel. A reporter walked up to Alan Guttmacher, Guttmacher, the president of Planned Parenthood, who took over after Sanger died, and said, Dr. Guttmacher, I have this citation in my book. I can prove it. Dr. Guttmacher, congratulations on Roe v. Wade. Now women can kill their babies in all 50 states. How are you going to protect this decision? Protect Roe v. Wade? That's what this reporter asked the president of Planned Parenthood. Isabel, you want to know what he said? He said sex ed. Oh, just fully admitted it. That Planned Parenthood's goal in keeping abortion legal is the sexual education filth that is state funded in the public schools. And then Mary Calderon, Margaret Sanger's medical director, leaves planned Parenthood in 1964 and launches SECUS, the Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States, the pioneer in the radical porn sex edition, with seed money from Hugh Hefner, founder of Playboy magazine, with a board member named Wardell Pomeroy, who was one of Alfred Kinsey's homo sodomite gay lovers, who was part of the pederasty movement. Sex with kids. So that, that's, that's the founding team that launches the Seea Sex Ed in the Schools launched by Planned Parenthood's medical director. So. So. Church, wake up. Wake up, Church. Okay. Are you seeing what Jesus is doing in the culture through Charlie, Wake up. This is all spiritual. It's all theological. It always was. Stop making excuses. Go burn your Rick Warren, Tim Keller lrae and Jackie Hill Perry books and join Isabelle and I in the culture wars, which was always a proxy war for a far deeper spiritual war. This is our heritage and our legacy as the church is protecting children, babies and the family. But we cannot undo or dismantle what has been done until we understand how it happened, how these rotten foundations were built. That's what this film reveals.
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It is wild to me throughout the last several decades in our country, how we've been told that vegetable oils like canola and soybean oil are the so called healthy choice for our kids, when they're actually highly processed industrial products. For thousands of years, human beings have been cooking with natural fats that our bodies can digest, like beef tallow, lard and butter. But somewhere along the way, we were convinced that these were suddenly dangerous for our health. What really bothers me is learning that many of these seed oils were not developed for us to eat, but were actually originally developed for industrial uses. Canola oil literally started as machine lubricant during World War II. Fact check, look it up. Don't just take my word for it. Now that I have a baby, I am being even more intentional about what I bring into our kitchen. We have switched to cooking with grass fed beef tallow almost exclusively with occasional olive oil thrown in there too. But beef tallow is exactly what our great grandmothers would have used. And honestly, it makes everything taste so much more incredible. It feels so much better knowing that I am nourishing my family with something that's actually been a part of human nutrition for generations instead of just repurposed industrial byproducts. Plus, it is packed with fat soluble vitamins, minerals and healthy fatty acids. If you are ready to go back to basics like our family has, give golden age Beef tallow a try. You can go to golden age fats.com/isabelle and use code ISABEL for 25% off your first order. That is golden age fats.com/Isabelle with code ISABEL for 25% OFF your first order. It's. It's tough, Seth, for me not to get wildly emotional hearing you describe this demonic parody of the Eucharist in abortion, because you are the only person I have ever heard consistently say that. That's the fourth or fifth time I've heard you say that. And every time it just cuts through my soul because it is so obvious to me that this is an element of spiritual warfare that we as Christians have gotten really comfortable ignoring for a long time. And the last month or so in our culture has been incredibly obvious that we are living through the fight of good versus evil, especially in the wake of our friend being so violently taken from us. But I'm watching young men in particular realize this at a very rapid speed. To know that they have to be on the front lines of a culture war. They have to be in tune with Christ's vision for humanity and with trying to make this world more like the next one. Part of your call to action through your organization and this film is for men to take on a strong stance in defending life, particularly because women have been so vulnerable to the lies of Margaret Sanger and the propaganda of Planned Parenthood. What practically does that look like through the 1916 project and through this next chapter of American history?
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Yeah, there's something going on in the next generation, Isabelle, and particularly young men. And I'm here for it all. I want front row seats. Here's my take on that. I think that a lot of Gen Z young men had their most formative years during the scamdemic shutdowns. They're like, preparing to become, you know, men. Maybe they're like 9, 10, 11, 12, or maybe their early teenage years. And so now they're men. Okay, now they're in college, it's almost 20, 26, and they're looking at this culture and their most formative years. They learned that they were being lied to from the highest levels of the federal government, that they didn't get to go to prom, they lost all their friends, they weren't able to hang out with anyone. Their. Their senior football season that where they were going to go to state and get a huge scholarship was shut down. I mean, they realized, oh my gosh, like, we just have a ruling class that's unelected and unaccountable. That could just completely destroy our life and livelihood. Screw all of you. I don't trust anyone. I think that's some of what's been going on in the hearts of young men from 2020. I mean, imagine being like 14 or 13 or 12, Isabelle in 2020. Yeah, I'd be more radical by the time I was 21 that I probably even am now. So that. So that's part of, I think, my take on that. And so then, so then here's what happens, right? That the enemy always overplays his hand, right Then this is the great conservative consolation, by the way, is that reality always reasserts itself in the end. That the left, because they're so, like, sex cult weirdos, right, they just go off the cultural cliff. They push their agenda too far, and it's a house of cards that eventually collapses under the weight of its own absurdity. And because we're rational beings created in God's image, because we're created in the image of God, we actually do have a rational side. We're not just like animals. And so I think a lot of people's moral and spiritual intuitions that. That inclination towards truth and reality, because it's written on eternity is written on the heart of man, always starts kicking in when the enemy overplays his hand. So when they go like, hey, you know what a great idea it is? Let's sexually mutilate the next generation and force you to fund it with your healthcare dollars. And then let's let lesbian butch feminist aunts take their nephew as the guardian across state lines to a transgender haven state to have their testicles cut off if the parents aren't gender affirming. Okay? Like, so I think that's. That's one example. And then Gen Z young men go, Gen Z young men are like, what the hell is wrong with you? So I think that, like, the enemy pushed it too far. And now, like, the righteous are starting to wake up and realize if we do nothing, everything goes to hell in a handbasket. We actually can't even rely on. On our political betters to do the right thing, because we realized in 2020, nearly none of them will. And so it's time to make the local church great again. One of my friends, Michael Foster, says, county before country. Meaning it doesn't. It doesn't mean that the country doesn't matter. It means that what matters far more in the country and for you and your family and your livelihood is to focus on your county. Stop listening to what's coming out of D.C. focus on your home and your family, your city council, your school board, your county. Establish righteousness there, fight for truth and life there. And that's how the left destroyed the culture. They collectively were pushing wickedness locally, but they were doing it all at the same time, simultaneously. So that's some of what I'm seeing Jesus do in the hearts of young men. I guess I'd add to that spiritually and theologically. Listen, men were made to fight, okay? We were actually made to fight. It's actually an honor to fight. It feels good to fight, not just physically. Like, yeah, sometimes you want to tussle it up with your friends or whatever. That can be fun too. My, my son, the second I walk in the door, he's like, can we wrestle? Can I just like, beat the crap out of you? I'm like, yeah, let's do it. You know, so, like that. So that's sort of hardwired into young men too. But I mean, like, politically, metaphysically, spiritually, right, culturally, like, we were made to fight and to be victorious and to win. That's a good thing. That's a godly thing. That's an innate thing. Women can be fighters too, and men can be loving, compassionate, empathetic as well. But, but we, we are geared towards certain aspects of the gender binary that that's been built into us. And it's a beautiful thing. It's how God intended it to be, okay? And so when we live in accordance with the Creator's design, we have true fulfillment, right? We reach the highest levels of the imago day. And so that's what I'm seeing God do in the hearts of young men. We have some Gen Z in my employees. And I'm like, dude, you're more radical than me. You're kind of scaring me, dude. They kind of make me want to level up, like playing basketball with the 20 year olds again. You're like, oh my gosh, you guys are amazing. I'm experiencing that. Even on my own team. We have about 22 employees as well, so. So praise Jesus, okay? There's something going on in the hearts of young men. And when men lead, the whole culture of society and civilization changes. And Planned Parenthood knows this because I've looked at their data from the Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood statistical research branch, named after Alan Guttmacher, the guy who said, we use sex ed to keep abortion legal. And they. When you look at the reasons that women choose abortion, it's like relationship problems, inability to provide for dependence, finishing school, finishing Education, pressure from a family. You're like, oh, wow. Almost every reason a woman gives for why she's going to kill her baby has. Has to do with the presence of a deadbeat father or the absence of any father. And so when men step up and they say, you know what? I'm going to get four jobs, whatever it takes, baby, we did this together and we are going to raise this kid. When men. Now there's always the second third wave feminist, like fat, you know, butch feminists who's like, why did anyone want to have a kid with you anyways? And they want to kill their babies. They actually want to, by the way, as well. That's actually a theological phenomenon. People get really right wing. Watch. Just cut me saying that it's not a coincidence that the most vociferous cheerleaders for abortion are fat and ugly. That's actually not a coincidence. And anytime you've been outside of an abortion mill and you see the escorts, they're all fat and ugly. Do you want to know why the Bible says that we become what we behold? Second Corinthians says that we're all being transformed from one image to another as we behold the father's face. And then the Old Testament says that those who worship idols are like them, like that. You see this throughout the Bible. You actually take the image of the thing that you worship. You become what you behold. You become what you behold and worship. So when you think about baby killing, what could be uglier than abortion? Of course, theologically and spiritually, there's something going on in the spiritual realm where people who worship, you know, transgender demons, baby killing demons, they start to look ugly. Oh, shocker. So. So anyways, I lost my train of thought talking about fat, ugly, pro aborts. But, but, but what we're realizing is this is spiritual and it's time for the church to wake up. But I love this line from G.K. chesterton. He said, the disadvantage of men not knowing the past is that they don't know the present. You see, history is a hill or a high point of vantage. I love that history is a hill or high point of vantage from which alone a man sees the town in which he lives and the age in which he is living. In other words, you can't fully see or understand your town, your city or your country or 2025, unless you ascend the hill of history. So ascend the hill of history with me, folks, and watch the 1916 Project on Daily Wire plus and the book, the 1916 Project. The lying, the witch and the war we're in. And the book goes way deeper on all of this filth. And you can get that at the 100916project.com.
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Seth, you articulated that so beautifully. And in our last couple of minutes together, I'd love to show you one more clip from the film and get your thoughts on this. Ascending that hill of history and realizing Satan's tendency to always overplay his hand. I don't think people realize just how radical the establishment of Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry in America always has been, that this has always been a movement built upon eugenics. And we really are the best people at it. I think we think about eugenics at the gold standard level in history as Nazi Germany and the extermination camps of Dachau and Auschwitz and the work that the Nazis were doing. Yet in reality, I learned from you and your film that the Nazis were actually studying what we were doing. Take a look at this clip and then let's talk about it on the other side.
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Adolf Hitler was recorded as having told a fellow Nazi the following. He said, now that we know the laws of heredity, it is possible to a large extent to prevent unhealthy and severely handicapped beings from coming in into the world. And then he said, I have studied with interest the laws of several American states concerning the prevention of reproduction of people whose progeny would in all likelihood be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock. End quote. In other words, Adolf Hitler openly acknowledged that he was poring over and reading the writings of American eugenicists and literally leaders of the eugenics movement in America that included Margaret Sanger, Lothrop Stoddard, Madison Grant, Leon Whitney, and so many others who actually were jealous of how far the Nazis took their bad ideas to their logical conclusion for not having the courage to implement similar destruction and chaos in America.
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So they were learning from us, turns out, because we were so good at subversively dehumanizing people, and we still are. That language of dehumanization and the efforts that Planned Parenthood has gone to, to rid our society of racial minorities, of people living with disabilities, of anybody, just unwanted is still thriving today. How can we keep fighting that moving forward to make sure that on this hill of history we don't look back 50 years from now and wish we had done something more.
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Yeah, yeah. It was always thus. We never seemed to learn our lessons. There's one short story, it's very short, that is going to rip your face off and I feel compelled to say it because I don't think it made it into the movie, but it's in the book, and it will make everyone watching want to go watch the movie. There was a man named Leon Whitney. This is the answer to your question, by the way. And he was the executive secretary for the American Eugenics Society. His boss was Madison Grant. And Leon Whitney was trying really hard to get Margaret Sanger to merge her magazine and organization with the American Eugenics Magazine and the American Eugenics Society. He writes this whole thing about how he went to coffee with Sanger one day in New York City, and he was saying, we have the same goals, we're doing the same thing. So for people who are like, oh, Isabel, you gotta get this weirdo out. Yeah, your show, you know, Sanger, she was just a turn of the century misled revolutionary, just wanted to help poor black and brown women. Yet, okay, the American Eugenics Society is going, sanger, we're the same. We should merge our magazines. And so Leon Whitney is this interesting figure. He supported the selective sterilization of the. That was the name of his book, Selective sterilization of certain people that he thought were a threat to the gene pool. And so what's interesting, though, is one day he gets a letter in the mail from a. A German corporal, recently out of prison and rising in the political scene, thanking Leon Whitney for his writing on eugenics. And Leon Whitney gets so excited. Isabel. And he takes it to his boss, Madison Grant, the president of the American Eugenics Society, who wrote articles in Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood magazine, the Birth Control Review. They fundraised together. In fact, when Planned Parenthood was launched, she shared office spaces with the American Eugenics Society. And Madison Grant had become infamous a few years before that for funding putting a black man in a cage with a monkey at the New York City Bronx Zoo to, quote, illustrate evolution. For people who don't believe me, go Google it. His name's Oda Benga. And you'll see a black man with a monkey, a chimpanzee. He was behind bars in a zoo in New York City. So Madison Grant funded that whole little thing. He funded that. And so Madison Grant had written this book called the Passing of the Great Race. Interestingly, he published it, I believe, in 1916, the same year that Sanger opened the first planned parenting clinic. And so Leon Whitney runs over to his boss, Madison Grant, this whole thing's documented. And he interrupts a committee meeting and he says, madison Grant, our writings are influencing the Germans and He shows this letter to Madison Grant, and Madison Grant smiles and chuckles and pulls out his own letter he had just received from the same German corporal recently out of prison and rising in the German political scene, calling Madison Grant's book his Bible. His Bible. The man who wrote those letters was Adolf Hitler. So yes, they did learn from us. It's one of the things most Americans don't know is that the Nazi party looked to the American eugenics movement leaders and intellectuals in America to get their ideas and to get their blueprint. And of course, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood was Lothrop Stoddard, who was the exalted Cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK chapter. And he's the only American to have ever had a one on one meeting face to face with Adolf Hitler after he rose to power because the Nazis invited Sanger's founding board member to the Third Reich and he met with Himmler, Hitler, Franz Sauckel, Robert Ley. He even helps influence a German eugenics court to reach a positive verdict in sterilizing certain Jews. So that's the founding board member of Planned Parenthood who was part of the kkk. And he sat in that position for Sanger on her board for years. For years. So we are repeating the mistakes of history. And three and a half percent of America are black women of childbearing age, and yet they account for 40% of the nation's abortion. So obviously I believe in personal responsibility, but we also need to talk about the concentrated attempt to put these clinics in minority black and brown neighborhoods. I mean, Margaret Sanger launched the Negro Project. That's what she called it. And she said. This is what she wrote, Isabel. She said the mass of Negroes, particularly in the south, are still breeding carelessly and disastrously with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more than among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and least fit. End quote. That was the opening proposal of The Negro Project, 1939. Margaret Sanger, planned Parenthood. So it's all been by design. So how dare Nicole Hannah Jones, that idiot of the 1619 Project, talk about systemic racism or, you know, LeBron James, black men can't walk out of their home without being hunted down. And then all these people support Planned Parenthood. These people, anyone who talks about systemic racism, Isabelle, and is pro choice, is a fraud and you should ignore them. There's a black genocide happening in America today due in no small part to Margaret Sanger. And if you support that while talking about systemic racism, you're a fraud and you should be ignored. And this is the history that we're exposing and blowing the COVID off of the 1916 project.
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Seth, I am blown away. Every conversation we have on and off screen about your courage, your ability to speak the truth to so many people in a very compelling way. And, and this film is absolutely no different. I've had the chance to watch it early. I'm so excited for our listeners on the Isabel Brown show to go watch it as well. Remind everyone one more time where they can watch the 1916 project and read your book if they want a deeper dive as well.
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Thank you, Isabel. You're a warrior. Appreciate you. You can go to the1916project.com to get my book and if you get the book from the1009 16project.com and not Amazon, you get an Easter egg in the hardcover. That's a replication of the chalkboard scene in the film where we go, we go full Glenn Beck chalkboard connections history that only you only get that if you get it at the1916project.com and not Amazon. But if you want to watch this film, go to Daily Wire plus right now.
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Seth, I'm so excited to see you in just a few days at an event we're both speaking at at Liberty University. So excited to give you a hug. But until then, keep up the great work and very, very excited for all of the change that you are making in society. Very proud of you, my friend.
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Thank you.
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Plus get a free bottle of their fiber and spice supplement that is balance of nature.com promo code Isabel Seth is incredible and truly with the exception of Charlie Kirk, the most effective man I've ever seen in communicating why fighting against abortion is so important from a religious and spiritual perspective, from a political perspective, from a human rights perspective. His message to young men is so powerful and I can't wait to see what this next generation, who he's pretty fired up about, continues to do in taking his lead. His movie, the 1916 Project exposing the history of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood is streaming exclusively on Daily Wire plus as of today. And I believe if you guys are not already subscribers, we are still running a promotion this fall code fall 40 for 40% off. Please take the time to go watch his incredibly important film because the truth is what happens when young men don't care and what happens when young men don't speak up about the family, about the most vulnerable people being exploited in our society and on behalf of protecting women is this demonic perversion of what real love and the family is supposed to look like? I love that Seth called these Genesis 1 through 3 issues because that's so beautifully articulated. This is the foundation of humanity as it was always intended to be from humanity's inception from God creating us in his image. The more we try to divorce ourselves from the truth of God, the more we are watching this satanic demonic perversion of what humanity, what the family, what children, love, marriage and every other societal pillar of culture is supposed to look like. I find no coincidence that after decades, generations of our culture telling men you are not allowed to have an opinion on pregnancy, on families, on abortion, or anything loosely associated with it. We see organizations like this one, Men having Babies going viral on social media for hosting conferences all over the world on men embracing surrogacy. This is a picture from the Men having Babies Instagram account. You can see their branding there MHB and as you can see is a room completely full of men, men alone discussing how to purchase babies through the surrogacy industry as both married gay men and a whole wing of of their organization, Single Gay Men Again, this is a room of men gathered in New York last month to find out how to buy babies, create babies through ivf, implant them into women and buy these babies off of their mothers. Of course. Also, they posted this photo quite proudly on the Men Having Babies Instagram account of the babysitters allegedly what it appears to be hired to watch children at this conference, the Men having Babies conference in New York last month who are drag queens, it seems. So that seems wildly appropriate. Yikes. This organization boasts on their Twitter account that they are going out of their way to crusade for single gay dads by choice. This is a growing movement of single gay dads by choice. They highlight an article about this in the Atlantic. If you are thinking about starting the parenting journey on your own, this is a must read. You are not the only one. It is doable and possible and this organization has made it their life's mission to remove women from the family unit entirely and to remove a second parent. Whether you're a man or a woman from the family unit entirely. Regardless of what you think about surrogacy or gay marriage or gay dads having kids, I want to pull up this photo again for you of the men at this conference because I want you to take a moment to look at it again. And if you're listening on podcast platforms and you don't have a chance to see this, this photo of the men at the conference, the Men having Babies conference that they posted on their Instagram is incredibly stirring. This is a room full of probably a hundred plus men listening to a panel of men and a man's speaker on how men can take over parenting without a single woman involved. You might think, okay Isabel, that's a stretch. There's no way that that conference is actually going to become mainstream and you still need women to make babies at the very least. But when men, good, righteous, godly men do not speak up on behalf of the family, ho do we arrive at a time where women are not needed at all to create new babies? The Telegraph just a few days ago posted a video to TikTok describing a new scientific breakthrough through as Seth kind of alluded to in our conversation and we've covered a few times with this new IVG in vitro gameidogenesis platform that is the next iteration of IVF that it turns out women's egg cells are not even needed to conceive babies anymore. Soon we will arrive at a time where women are not even needed to make babies. Babies in the first place. Watch this video.
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Two men could now make a baby without a woman's DNA. American scientists have created working human embryos by putting DNA from skin into a donor egg. This new egg has just 23 chromosomes from the skin cell and then can be fertilized via IVF. With the 23 chromosomes from a sperm making a full set. The implications for the study are vast. It opens the door for any anyone to have children, irrespective of the need to have your own eggs. Therefore, this new scientific method could also provide an unlimited supply of eggs for women who struggle to conceive. Scientists have been able to change DNA in cells since the 1990s, but their methods did not work for reproductive cells. A study from Oregon University has now managed this for the first time by tricking a skin cell into behaving like an egg cell. The process was replicated to make 82 embryos, but only 9% developed to the stage needed for IVF implantation. None were implanted into a human and were all destroyed in line with ethical guidelines.
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We're all destroyed in line with ethical guidelines. Translation that's not layered over beautiful elevator music and pretty graphics. 82 children, 82 babies that we call embryos. But embryo is just a stage of development. 82 genetically unique human beings that have never existed before and will never exist again were created in this study without a single woman's egg cell ever involved in the process, entirely from male DNA, which already is such a disgusting perversion of how human beings are supposed to be created. And according to ethical guidelines, were killed. Talk about ethical guidelines. Were destroyed. That's the word that they used intentionally. Because good men have sat down and remained quiet about the dehumanization of preborn children in the womb. We have rapidly arrived at a time in society where we are intentionally creating dozens, if not hundreds of children in experiments with the intention of them being destroyed. Are we okay living in a society like that? We have arrived at a time where women's DNA, women's participation in the conception of children is no longer a requirement. And it seems because good, righteous men have been quiet, we may arrive very quickly at a time where women surrogates aren't even needed to carry the children. Of course, we know that in China they're developing pregnancy robots for the low cost of $14,000 a pop. We covered that on the show the other day. In that same episode that we talked about abortion pills coming through the mail so go back and watch that one if you guys haven't already. But we may not even need pregnancy robots. Maybe men can actually get pregnant. At least according to Man Lily Tino. Very, very viral. Infamous Tiktoker Trans Tiktoker who now says uterus transplants are very quickly arriving to allow biological men to carry children and then deliver them via C section. He posted this video just the other day.
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Trans women getting pregnant is not as far off as you think. In the past 10 years, 50 babies have been born from a uterus transplant. How this works is a person with a damaged or missing uterus gets a new uterus, then they get pregnant, then they give birth to a child via C section. The implanted uterus is then removed so that the person doesn't need to be on anti rejection meds for the rest of their life. So so far these implants have only been attempted on CIS women. But there's nothing that says it couldn't work on a trans woman. After all, my hormone levels are pretty similar to a cisgender woman, so why not? The main thing in the way is that the science is new, so there aren't enough surgeons out there to do the testing. So it's less about if we can do it and more about when we can do it. Imagine a trans woman using her own DNA along along with her partner's egg to create life. Wouldn't that be incredible? Some researchers think it's already possible and that it'll be attempted in the next year or two. Now, to be clear, I don't want kids. And even if this was an option, I wouldn't be interested. But there are so many trans women out there who want this and they have just as much of a right to pregnancy as anyone else.
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Let's get this thing off.
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Yeah. Actually, you don't. You don't. You don't have just as much of a right to pregnancy as anyone else. As a man. And I think that's precisely the problem. We've created a culture and society that has dehumanized people so much, largely because of the efforts of the Margaret Sangers of the world and the Planned Parenthoods of the world throughout the last century of American history that we view babies not as human beings created in God's image, worthy of dignity and love and institutional human rights in society on par for equality with every other human being in our culture. No, instead, we view babies as commodities, as something to be bought and sold, as something I can purchase and something I can pervert and twist. Human nature to achieve or to kill at my own convenience, by any means necessary. It is this perversion, this destruction of humanity that we have allowed to be called progress for the last several generations, for the last century and beyond, looking backwards in American history, that has made us arrive at a time that babies are so dehumanized that whistleblowers from the NIH and from the medical and experimental scientific community have come forward to say, you will not believe what your tax dollars in America have been funding through even NIH research grants. This video went viral just this week on Tik Tok, exposing how Dr. Anthony Fauci was spending your taxpayer dollars. This is hard to talk about as a mom especially, oh, I get a lot more emotional about this stuff now thinking about my little girl. Using your taxpayer dollars to chop up the bodies of babies that we killed in the womb and to experiment upon them in the most perfect perverse ways possible.
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Stanford University was taking fingers from aborted fetuses and implanting them in the backs of mice and then breaking the fingers once they were in the mice and then letting them heal and then killing the mice after that happened. There was an infamous example at the University of Pittsburgh. NIH funded again, where they were taking scalps off of human fetuses and implanting that went to mice. There's some very heroes, horrendous photos of both of these experiments online. Also discovered that Dr. Fauci's division of the NIH was the leading funder of all the NIH Institutes of Field tissue research. Animals are not. So we've been tracking all the projects. As of earlier this year, there were 17 projects still active. NIH funded human fetal tissue experiments. Active. They received about $22 million. So we put this out and less than 24 hours later, after we exposed these 17 active grants, NIH wrote, we will not be renewing any of these 17 grants. That's great news. Great news. Not only do we not need them to renew these old grants, though, we need them to commit to not fund any new ones. And we do need to have the NIH dig and determine whether or not there are any others that weren't identified in our search.
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We have some friends over at the nih, so I expect we'll have some phone calls here in the next few weeks. But notice how the second you expose this stuff, the second you put out the information publicly, snap of a finger. Oh, we're not, we're not going to do that anymore, though, even though we've been doing it behind the scenes and under the surface for a very long time. We're not going to do that anymore. This is what it takes is the courage to tell the truth. The courage from young men to get involved in an industry and a conversation that they have been societally barred from for the last several generations. The courage of young women to accept that we need as many people in the fight as humanly possible. We need young men to stand up and defend the family and defend innocent children. And us as a generation to never again accept the normalization of this genocide of our children under the umbrella rainbow washed facade of human rights. The irony of our society calling abortion women's equality and progress when it is actively killing women and destroying our physical, mental and spiritual health for the rest of our lives. The irony of our society calling this life saving health care when we are intentionally ending lives in the process. The irony of our society calling this human rights when the abortion industry and the efforts of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood over the last several generations has instead created a web of of the destruction of human rights that has led to minor attracted people and the disgusting sexual perversion threatening children's safety, innocence and rights that has led to Planned Parenthood becoming the number one provider of cross sex hormones and puberty blockers for children in our society. Destroying children's rights rights by rendering them infertile and castrating them before they even reach the age of sexual maturity. It's disgusting, it's perverse. But it's something we never have to continue living in again if we have the courage to, to borrow the Seth, the Seth phrase from just a few minutes ago. To stand on the hill of history, look backwards with 2020 hindsight vision and say never again. Go watch the 1916 Project tonight on Daily Wire. Plus that's our homework for you. And if you are a young man watching this episode today, please have the courage to join us in the fight. The fight against genocide, the perversion of human rights and the fight for our most innocent and vulnerable people in society. We are back tomorrow with another episode of the Isabel Brown Show. Keep telling the truth, you courageous, courageous patriots out there. It's an honor to be in the fight with all of you.
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