Matt Walsh (6:29)

The mainstream media never shows up to Nigeria. What they do is they take the Nigerian government's word for it. Every time there's an attack, every time Christians are killed, it's always these unknown gunmen. It's always these bandits.

Isabel Brown (6:43)

Bandits is an interesting word. That clip continues on to talk about how the official talking points from the Nigerian government talk about clashes between herders and farmers. That there are all of these agrarian communities working in agriculture that are constantly clashing with one another and that is leading to all of this systematic, insane violence. But it's not really systematic. It's just individual skirmishes that are happening in various communities, mostly in the northern part of the country. So everything's great here. Western media, close your eyes, don't pay attention, nobody ask any further questions. Those quote unquote approved talking points are starting to become very concerning to me because the people that are paying attention are realizing just how powerful the propaganda from Nigeria's government has actually become. As normal people, not those of us that listen to state propaganda or legacy media these days, but who get our news through X or Instagram or TikTok or YouTube or podcasts, as we have started to wake up as normal people and realize just how widespread and horrifying this reality is for tens of thousands of Christians over the past 15 years or so being killed in. In Nigeria, we're rightfully asking people to do something about it. But the people at the top, the powers that be, those who have the capacity to do something about it, seem to only be listening to those pre approved prescribed talking points. I am so sick and tired of all of the propaganda we're seeing about every single story on the Internet today. And, and I feel the exact same way about the propaganda that it pertains to our health. 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And something that has really shaken me and very, very much upset me and gotten under my skin this week is how the Secretary of State for the Vatican, someone who generally I like what he has to say, Cardinal Pietro Perilan had to say about the crisis in Nigeria. The Catholic National Catholic Register ran a really interesting story about this this week, saying that Cardinal Paryland specifically labeled the conflict happening in Nigeria and as a social conflict, not a religious conflict, which is pushing, prompting pushback from Christians and specifically Catholics all over the world. Because how could you possibly look at what is happening across the country of Nigeria and not realize just how systematically Christians are being targeted with this violence? But in a statement that he said, not in English, so we're just going to read it to you because I think it's a little bit easier. And in a press conference related to this problem and several others, Cardinal Parlin said, I think they've already said who is they? Is my first question. I think they've already said, and some Nigerians have already said that it is not a religious conflict, but rather a social conflict. For example, interesting. Between herders and farmers. Fascinating. Is that not exactly the same talking points that we just heard covered on Morning Wire as the approved. Approved government talking points to look over there. Don't pay attention. Don't ask any further questions. Herders and farmers. Yeah, I don't think that's what's actually happening here. Cardinal Perlin kept talking and said, let's keep in mind that many Muslims who come to Nigeria are victims of intolerance. So these extremist groups, these groups that make no distinctions to advance their goals, their objectives, use violence against anyone they perceive as an opponent, interestingly trying to create some sort of differentiation between the country's Muslim population, which are not all ethnically Nigerian, a lot of them flee from other countries and come to Nigeria and the country's Christian population. And Nigeria, interestingly, is kind of a powder keg for something like this to happen because the nation is almost exactly 50%. 50% Muslim and Christian. So it seems to me like this particular individual who, again, generally I like a lot of what he has to say. I did when I was at the Vatican a couple of months ago for the digital jubilee for Catholic content creators, and I have on several other topics as well. I feel like the actual reality of what's happening, boots on the ground in Nigeria and the systematic targeting and killing of Christians by. By radical Islamic jihadist groups, make no mistake about it, that reality is not being effectively communicated to those at the very top of the Church's institutional power, like the Secretary of State for the Holy See and the Vatican. Instead, those same scripted talking points that are being delivered to CNN and MSNBC and every other legacy Western media institution refusing to properly cover what is happening in Nigeria are also now being repeated by the institutional powers of the Church itself. I think there's a couple of nuanced realities that we need to bring into the conversation here before everybody freaks out and lights themselves on fire in the wake of this. This is not an official statement of the Church. This is not an official statement from the Pope. What was said at this press conference are the remarks of one individual who. Who works for the nation state of the Holy See as the Secretary of State for a country not speaking on behalf of the Catholic Church as a global institution and the biggest church of Christians across the world, now more than 1.5 billion people across the planet. But it is frustrating to see the top people in the church and the institution of the Church not understand the reality of what's going on and so so clearly to me furthers the need for more Catholic and Christian content creators and independent media just like this one, so that we can continue breaking through the noise of the approved media channels and the trusted journalists when those trusted journalists are just lapping up every single scripted talking point sent to you from a corrupt government doing nothing about half of their country being systematically targeted for slaughter, for massacres, for violent death solely for the crime of their religious affiliation. This conversation and our ability to draw attention to what's happening with this Christian persecution in Nigeria is not about playing politics or just little language semantics. This is life versus death for hundreds of thousands of people life living in Nigeria and it has been for years on end with very few people having the boldness and courage or even just ability to eloquently speak about it because we don't know the reality of what's going on. Somebody that we've had on the show a few times, and one of my dear friends, Gia Chacon, who is the founder of March for the Martyrs, an organization that deals with activism and speaking on behalf of persecuted Christians, has been tweeting about this for years. We pulled some of her tweets to share with you here because I think she has a clarity about this that very few people do, especially from a media perspective. She tweeted a couple of weeks ago to powerfully remind us that Nigeria is the capital of Christian martyrdom today anywhere in the world. More than 7,000 Christians have been killed in 2025 alone. And she compares this to other systematic targetings of Christians throughout modern history. She said, remember, isis killed around 5,000 Christians total in Iraq and Syria during their reign of terror. Do you get it now? This is genocide, one of the worst that we have ever seen. I couldn't have said that more powerfully myself. Isis, which we considered at that time to be the single biggest threat to Christianity on the face of the planet. Just what, 20 years ago, 15 years ago killed total around 5,000 Christians in Iraq and Syria over the course of several years during their reign of terror in the Middle east before they were wiped off the face of the planet by President Donald Trump. Just this year, 7,000 Christians have been killed in Nigeria. And most human rights organizations estimate that upwards of 50,000 Christians have been killed in the last 15 years. 50,000 people. Videos and photos are starting to emerge from people living in Nigeria, although it's very, very difficult for us to get a lot of access to this stuff because again, the algorithm isn't wildly friendly to it. And no one is accurately reporting on this. But since we've been loud about this this week, a handful of videos are starting to surface and go viral on X of what the scene looks like on the ground in Nigeria. If you are a Christian. These are incredibly difficult images and photos and videos to deal with, but I think it's appropriate and important, incredibly important for us to talk about them here on the show because without our voices, no one else may know what's going on. This is a video of a community carrying countless coffins through a field after many, many members of their community were specifically targeted for being Christian. Watch. You can read at the top there heartbreaking images of the Christian genocide in Nigeria. In each coffin are children, fathers, brothers and friends. But they don't interest any European. There are no flotillas from Greta Thunberg for them, there is no media. And you can count how many coffins are being carried here to be deposited into mass graves that no one is talking about, no one is paying attention to, no one is offering their airtime for because they are Christian. These are not just empty boxes, empty wooden containers. These are, these are sacred, sacred realities that these people are carrying over their heads. It's their mom, their dad, their husband, their wife, their sister, their cousin, their neighbor. Real people who are being violently taken from this world because they have the courage to worship and to follow Jesus Christ. Other photos are surfacing as well, like this one that I'll throw up for you here of coffins being paraded to be deposited into mass graves in these communities. And you can see, see on these people's faces just the, the gut wrenching devastation knowing that their communities will never be the same from the loss of these people. About 20,000 churches have been burned down in Nigeria in the past 15 years or so. And what really is so striking to me is even in the midst of, of carrying these coffins into mass graves or seeing one's house of worship that you go to every Sunday morning destroyed from the inside out. People are still finding ways to worship, to praise God, to honor Jesus and to thank him for the many blessings in their lives from the inside of the destruction outward. This clip came across my ex this week and really strongly resonated with my soul. I know it will with yours too. Wow.

Nigerian Pastor (21:07)

We press your name to protect us, to guide us Lord, to see us through, to give us hope in the name of Jesus.

Isabel Brown (21:33)

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I think it's important, really important, that we take the time to have these conversations on shows like this one, or in any of our spheres of influence. Even if you don't have a huge podcast and a big social media following, or the ability to go on the news tomorrow night and reach millions of people all at once, even if your sphere of influence is just coffee with your boyfriend and girlfriend, is sitting across the dinner table from your family tonight, is chatting with your roommate in your college dorm. Because when we don't acknowledge that this is the reality that is happening and we allow these shallow, propagandist, scripted talking points to overshadow the largest religious genocide happening on the planet, we become complacent in it, which is never, ever acceptable if we're serious about loving one another, loving our brothers and sisters in Christ across the globe, and loving those who are truly oppressed in 2025. I want to be abundantly clear here on the Isabel Brown show, when no one in the mainstream media is willing to do so, the world is watching a genocide take place. And I know we love that word these days in the media and on our social media algorithms when it's politically convenient to use. But we are refusing to acknowledge it because it's not a sexy badge of honor to defend Christianity on our Instagram. It's not the black square, it's not the keffiyeh. It's not Free Palestine with a little flag emoji in our bios. But there have literally been upwards of 50,000 Christians slaughtered with machetes and gunned down in their churches. 50,000 Christians left without churches to even worship inside, as more than 20,000 churches have been burned down. All of this in the last 15 years in only one country, Nigeria. This is a systematic erasure of an entire religious group in a nation where Christianity makes up half of the population and. And the world is silent. Ask yourself why. Because it's not a numbers game. Christianity is by far the most persecuted religious group on the planet. By the numbers. Far more than Islam. Far more than Hinduism or Buddhism or Judaism. By the numbers, by sure population. More Christians are at risk of losing their lives, their jobs, their safety today for the crime of being Christian than anyone else on the planet. Are we okay with continuing to be silent about this? Or are we going to listen to the desperate pleas of those begging us to use our own spheres of influence to speak up, to change public awareness and to move the needle for them today. Not waiting for CNN or msnbc, but or any president or Secretary of state to do that for us. Christian human rights groups are begging, literally begging the world to wake up and look past state propaganda to realize that this is indeed a targeted killing of Christians in a specific attempt to wipe them out in Nigeria and probably even beyond into the future. One organization in particular, the Christian association of Nigeria or SEA C A N has been pushing back against these talking points delivered from the government and the statements from the Nigerian government. That's incredibly corrupt to say everything is fine, everything is fine. They are firing back specifically at the Nigerian presidency and saying that Christian genocide is indeed real and something that we desperately need to be paying attention to. Others are asking the Trump administration to do something about it, specifically including pastors that are begging for President Trump's intervention and the American government to step up where no other government on the planet is willing to do so as of yet.

Nigerian Pastor (28:42)

We are tired to be outside performing burial every day and they expect us to. Silence now is an order Nigerian government cannot openly and deny. There is no massacre, there is no genocide of Christians in Nigeria. And look at it today. Is there any Muslim here? United Nations. I know you are watching you American Senate. You are watching what I'm doing. I'm saying here. Special Advisor to Trump. Now please tell drone to save our life in Nigeria. They are killing Christians in Nigeria. Massacre Christian if they say they kill Muslims. Muslims are being killed. By who? By Muslims.

Isabel Brown (29:45)

Every time I watch that clip, it just rattles me to my core. We had to censor part of that video obviously for you to even hear what this pastor had to say as he is speaking from inside of a mass burial grave in Nigeria, probably of his own congregants that have been killed for the crime of being Christian by Islamic jihadist extremist groups. Begging, begging. The United nations, members of the US Senate, special advisers to President Trump, anyone, anyone that will possibly listen to this to do something about it. Since supplements have become such an important part of my nutrition routine, especially since becoming a new mom, I am incredibly grateful for Balance of Nature. It has simplified the entire process and I know that I am getting a full lineup of perfect nutrition every single day, no matter if I have a cheat meal for dinner or not. Balance of Nature's fruits and veggies supplements aren't just convenient. They are the original balance of color, taste and smell. You, you can take the fruits and veggies supplements with water, chew them or open them up and put the powder into your favorite food and drinks. No binders, no fillers, no flow agents, only ingredients of 16 whole fruits and 15 whole vegetables in one convenient capsule. It is freeze dried, lab tested and ready to go wherever you go, which makes a huge difference for me since I basically live out of a suitcase these days. Their supplement powders are ingredients of 100% Whole Foods. Balance of Nature's goal is to deliver natural goodness of real fruits, vegetables, spices and fibers to you just as nature intended. It has made a world of difference in how I feel every single day and I don't feel like I'm taking all of these annoying pills all day every day because they taste and smell great too. You can go to balance of nature.com and get a free bottle of their fiber and spice supplement plus 35% off your first set as a new preferred customer by using the discount code Isabel in particular, Partially in the wake of the response to that video that's gotten many, many views on social media, people are asking the Trump administration to designate Nigeria a country of particular concern. And this CPC diagnosis and designation is specifically given to countries that have severe violations of religious freedom or other human rights violations. And this is all in compliance with the International Religious freedom Act of 1998. This designation is really important and one that people are asking the Trump administration to employ like yesterday because it is used to inform U.S. foreign policy. It can institute sanctions against the countries that make it onto these lists and just raise international awareness about this reality. Interestingly, what's fascinating to me about this CPC designation, the country of particular concern designation is I believe the Trump administration had put this designation on on Nigeria during the Trump 45 administration. The Biden Admin reversed it and now it's up to President Trump again to make sure that that can go into effect immediately. Leaders of Christian and humanitarian groups are signing letters all over the world. On October 15th there was a mass signatory letter written to President Trump specifically calling for him to redesignate Nigeria as a CPC because of the government's failure to to protect any victims of violence or to punish the perpetrators. And we would add to that call to action to ask the Trump administration to do something about it here on the show. But I also think it's important for us to ask what can we do about this? Because the awareness campaign is maybe even more important than the policy prescription right now, especially as the world's legacy media remains largely entirely separate silent about this. We can speak up. We can speak up we can make sure that ourselves, our friends, our neighbors, our family members, our co workers, anyone we know is aware of just how severe this problem is. We can use our own spheres of influence to raise social awareness for our brothers and sisters in Christ on the other side of the planet. There have not been many, but there have been a few individuals in the public eye being willing to talk about this. Namely in the last few weeks, Bill Maher talking about this on his show.

Matt Walsh (34:06)

Jerry. I mean, the fact that this issue has not gotten on people's radar.

Isabel Brown (34:11)

Right? No one's talking about it.

Matt Walsh (34:12)

It's pretty amazing. If you don't know what's going on in Nigeria, your media sources suck. You are in a bubble. And again, I'm not a Christian, but they are systematically killing the Christians in Nigeria. They've killed over 100,000 since 2009. They burned 18,000 churches. This is so much more. These are their Islamists, Boko Haram. This is so much more of a genocide attempt than what is going on in Gaza. They are literally attempting to wipe out the Christian population of an entire country. Where are the kids protesting this?

Isabel Brown (34:47)

Where are the kids protesting this?

Matt Walsh (34:52)

Absolutely.

Isabel Brown (34:53)

Where are the kids protesting this? Where is the outrage? Where is the social media campaign? This is a targeted genocide attempt. And we all like to use that word when it pertains to Gaza, but no one wants to use that word as it applies to Nigeria. Now, you don't, you don't have to be Bill Maher. You don't have to have a talk show. You don't have to have a global audience. You don't have to have a multimillion dollar TV studio or a literal microphone in front of you. But we all have microphones. Whether that's our personal Instagram accounts or our church communities or our friend groups or little folding tables or flyers on your college campuses. We all have the capacity to say something about this. Heck, maybe even do it at a football match, a soccer match. Tommy Robinson tweeted this picture from a soccer slash football, depending on where you're from, game defend Nigerian Christians. Look at that. Just an organic poster, a sign that people made out of cloth and spray paint. And they had the courage to hold up and to raise awareness at their favorite soccer game. This is what activism looks like. This is what real social awareness looks like. And this is what the courage to speak up when no one in positions of influence is willing to pay attention looks like. Maybe even more importantly, though, and I feel like the last four or five weeks we've just been A nonstop repeating drone on this. So apologies if you've heard me say this, but not apologies actually, 50 times in the last month or so. We can pray. We can pray for a dramatic transformation of people's hearts to wake up and realize how dire this situation is. A dramatic transformation of the hearts of those perpetrating these massacres and these killings, and a dramatic transformation of the hearts of world leaders to stand up and do something about it. We always look at prayer as the last line of defense when nothing else is possibly working. We pray thoughts and prayers when we've exhausted all of our other opportunities. This is the perfect, harrowing example of. Of the fact that prayer can never be something we resort to at the end. Prayer has to be our first weapon on the first line of offense against this type of violence, persecution, and outright evil in the world. So today, I beg of you, please hit your knees in your home this afternoon or this evening. Take the time to pray for the Catholic Church to exhibit leadership on this and to realize that these talking points from the Nigerian government can't be trusted as reliable information. Pray for, for President Trump to reinstitute a country of particular concern label for the nation of Nigeria so that we can put pressure on other nations to take action against this violence. Pray for Islamic extremism all over the world that is threatening the lives of Christians just trying to go to church and trying to pray and have a relationship with Jesus Christ and share that love with the world. Pray for those who have lost their lives, lost their family members, lost their churches, their homes lost. This is reality for Christians all over the world. And pray for the rise in Christian persecution everywhere. I think it's easy, it's really easy to get discouraged and downtrodden and frustrated at the state of affairs in our world this last month. And it feels like this violent response to Christ's call to action for true love is becoming more and more and more normalized, not only in Nigeria, on the other side of the globe, but here in the United States. I mean, it was Utah where we saw a prominent Christian defend the gospel and be violently killed, slaughtered, massacred for it in an effort to silence the truth of God and to silence the love of Christ. But I want you, if you haven't already, if you haven't already taken the time to share that video, because I know it's going everywhere right now. So I hope that. I hope that you'll take the time to do it. That video I reacted to with you today on the show of those Christians proudly proclaiming their love of God, thanking Jesus Christ for another day, worshiping freely in their burned out hallowed church that we played earlier in the episode today. If you haven't shared that with people in your own lives as exactly the type of joy and courage that we all should be exhibiting and in our faith in Christ, do that this afternoon too. We'll continue following this story as closely as we possibly can here on the show. If you have any other videos or photos or updates from people that you may know on the ground in Nigeria, please continue sending them to us. And we'll keep praying fervently for an end to Christian persecution and a return to the love of Christ all over the world.

Matt Walsh (39:56)

Matt, say something that'll get us canceled if you really want me to. Friendly fire is back. Should we ever do this again? No. No safe zones. Do not unify around your crazies. I don't want your olive branch. Screw you. It's absolutely despicable. Nothing off limits. You will get to sound off on whether or not black people are disabled as the Supreme Court reliably Huge announcements. Brand new. Matt. Massive, incredible series. The Pendragon cycle. Ambitious and big and beautiful. And this is the thing that sets us apart. More revelations on the way. I just want to make one more point here and then you can say whatever you want. I'm not going to play that game with you. What makes you a conservative? No, I don't think that's right. Well, hold on. Let's just.

Isabel Brown (40:38)

Crazy.

Matt Walsh (40:38)

I just want to say I agree with that. I totally disagree with it. I have to say. Friendly fire October 29, 7pm Eastern. The friendly fire should stop across the board. And you mean the show? Not just that.