Pregnancy is NOT A Disease. It's Time We Rethink It.

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Isabel Brown Show

Episode: Pregnancy is NOT A Disease. It's Time We Rethink It.
Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Guests: Sarah Gable (Founder, EveryLife), Dr. Francis (Physician, APLOG – Association for Pro Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on challenging and countering the modern cultural narrative that depicts pregnancy as a disease, disability, or threat to women’s well-being. Isabel Brown, joined by Sarah Gable and Dr. Francis, highlights a new campaign, "Rethink Pregnancy"—a partnership between EveryLife (an explicitly pro-life diaper company) and APLOG. The campaign’s goal is to affirm pregnancy as a natural, empowering, and healthy part of womanhood, offer scientific and personal perspectives on its benefits, and encourage society to embrace motherhood and life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pregnancy as Empowerment, Not Disease

• Countering the Negative Narrative:

  • Modern culture often treats pregnancy as a “scary”, “disabling”, or "disease-like" experience to be avoided or managed away (01:26–02:22).
  • The campaign encourages women to see pregnancy as a sign their bodies work as intended and as a source of joy and purpose.
  • Notable Quote:

    “Pregnancy is not a disease. It is not something that needs to be cured or treated. It's actually a sign that a woman's body is functioning exactly how it was made to function.” – Dr. Francis (01:05, 08:01)

• Celebrating Motherhood:

  • Isabel shares that pregnancy gave her a “sense of purpose and meaning… never had before” (02:22–02:24).

2. Introducing EveryLife and APLOG’s Mission

• EveryLife: The only openly pro-life diaper company, launched to provide ethical options in an industry otherwise supportive of abortion (03:09–03:32).
• APLOG: Formed as an alternative to the increasingly pro-abortion American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), upholding life-affirming medical standards and supporting mothers (05:14–06:01).

3. Health and Mental Benefits of Pregnancy

• Physical Health:

  • Dr. Francis details research: pregnancy and breastfeeding significantly lower the lifetime risks of breast, ovarian, and uterine cancers; decrease risk of autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis (08:01–09:24).
  • "Mothering itself expands lifespan and decreases depression and anxiety rates" (08:01).

• Brain Changes:

  • “Pregnancy brain” isn’t just fog—it’s beneficial remodeling of the brain for multitasking and empathy, helping mothers adapt (09:28).
  • Notable Quote:

    “It [pregnancy] actually is a wonderful adaptive thing that the Lord put into our bodies… when we're pregnant.” – Dr. Francis (10:14)

• Mental Health & Happiness:

  • Data shows married people with children under 35 are significantly happier than their unmarried, childless peers (10:59–11:40).
  • Personal testimonies reinforce that pregnancy can bring peace, motivation, and spiritual growth (11:41–13:22).

4. Cultural & Medical Pressures: Where the Fear Comes From

• Medical System Trends:

  • Medicine’s shift from vocation to transactional “provider” model is seen as contributing to utilitarian, anti-life messaging (17:21–19:37).
  • Strong external forces—cultural and institutional—push an abortion-first mentality, especially after difficult diagnoses.

• Education & Cognitive Dissonance:

  • Medical education often pushes contradictory standards: in one room, pregnancy as disease; in another, life to be celebrated (22:15–23:38).
  • Students learn to “manipulate truth to pass exams.”

    “You’re so used to the manipulation of truth… that then you don’t have the ability to think critically.” – Isabel (22:18–22:34)

5. Combating Misinformation on Pregnancy and Abortion Safety

• Myth-Busting: “Abortion is Safer than Childbirth”

  • Dr. Francis debunks oft-cited papers by abortionist Dr. Daniel Grossman that claim abortion is safer, emphasizing missing or misrepresented U.S. maternal data and lack of mandatory abortion reporting (30:27–32:00).
  • Data from countries with better health records, like Finland, show pregnancy is actually protective for women (32:25–33:22).

• Access to Care Declines with Declining Birth Rates:

  • Widespread abortion and declining birth rates are closing maternity wards and worsening prenatal care access (33:22–33:50).

6. Selfishness vs. Sacrifice: Cultural Ideals Face-Off

• Rise of “Malignant Narcissism”:
  • Isabel describes a cultural ethos that encourages hyper-selfishness, careerism, and delay or rejection of motherhood (40:12–41:15).
  • “Bigotry of low expectations”: telling women they’re not strong or smart enough to balance motherhood with other pursuits (41:14–41:36).
  • Real-life stories defy that: physicians perform surgery at 9 months pregnant, women thrive at work and home.

7. Roots of Fear: Sex Ed and Planned Parenthood’s Influence

• Sex Education:

  • Both guests reflect on how fear-based sex education frames pregnancy as a consequence to be avoided, reinforcing shame and stigma, especially for Christian women (41:54–43:25).
  • Planned Parenthood’s early-in-age, negative messaging in sex ed is a concern (43:25).

• Positive Reframing Needed:

  “Let’s reframe that for women to say, but it’s worth it and here’s why… it’s still such a beautiful thing.” – Dr. Francis (44:02)

8. Demand for Pro-Life Care and Transparency in Medicine

• Women Seek Pro-Life OB/GYNs:

  • EveryLife and APLOG provide networks and directories for women seeking life-affirming healthcare; huge demand but many professionals fear public backlash (25:57–26:41).
  • “The intimacy and connection just goes to a different level” when your doctor shares your values (26:41).

• Ultrasound Policy at Planned Parenthood:

  • Testimonies that patients are denied viewing their ultrasound—“the biggest indicator that you will change your mind to keep your baby” (27:55–28:09).

9. “On-Offense” Approach: Changing the Cultural Conversation

• The “death cult” of pro-abortion advocates has been aggressively reframing language and public perception; it’s time for pro-family, pro-life voices to present a positive, fact-based alternative (46:55–47:59).

• Language Manipulation:

  • “Abortion pill” now called “period pill” to downplay gravity and effect (48:11–48:27).
  • Dr. Francis reveals how easy and dangerous it is to get abortion pills online—"no true telehealth involved" (48:34–50:30).

10. Healthcare Professional Guidance & Messages for Mother’s Day

• Medical Standards Declining:
  • ACOG now advises OBs not to congratulate patients on their pregnancies—Dr. Francis calls this “ludicrous” and “destroys our profession” (50:40–51:47).
  • The campaign urges support for life-affirming doctors and encourages patients to voice their values when selecting providers (54:39).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the medical benefits of pregnancy:

  “It significantly reduces a woman’s risk of breast cancer… Risk of ovarian cancer… lifetime autoimmune diseases…”
  — Dr. Francis (08:01)

• On societal messaging:

  “It’s the bigotry of low expectations…that you’re too stupid, not strong enough, and you need to remain void of any anchor to something bigger than yourself, because that’s what empowerment looks like.”
  — Isabel (41:14)

• On information and manipulation:

  “They do not let their patients see the ultrasound…because they don’t want you to know your baby.”
  — Isabel (27:55)

• On medical double standards:

  “How do you go from one room...and say it’s fine to just end the life [via abortion]...then go to the next room...and say we’re going to do everything we can to help you and your baby…?”
  — Dr. Francis (23:38)

• On the celebration of motherhood:

  “None other than your guys' signature slogan—to make more babies.”
  — Isabel (58:52)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:05 / 08:01 — Dr. Francis asserts: “Pregnancy is not a disease…”
• 11:00 — Isabel shares research on marriage, happiness, and having children
• 22:18 — Isabel recounts a medical education “black pill” moment
• 30:27 — Mythbusting “abortion is safer than childbirth”
• 33:22 — Declining birthrate and the closure of maternity units
• 41:14 — Isabel on “bigotry of low expectations” for women
• 43:25 — Planned Parenthood and dangers of sex ed curriculum
• 50:47 — Dr. Francis on ACOG discouraging congratulating pregnant patients
• 54:35 — Closing Mother’s Day messages from Sarah Gable and Dr. Francis
• 56:36 — Where to find campaign information: rethinkpregnancy.com & everylife.com

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Final Thoughts & Calls to Action

• Visit rethinkpregnancy.com — for resources, stories, and information combating fear and stigma around pregnancy.
• Find a pro-life OBGYN — via APLOG’s directory.
• Support EveryLife — purchase pro-life, ethical diapers and join a supportive community.

“If we can get this information out loud and proud, it’s going to dramatically change our culture.”
— Isabel (58:56)

Happy Mother's Day to all listeners!

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Transcript

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[Isabel]

You're telling me that pregnancy is not

[Host]

only safe 99.9% of the time, but it actually helps me as a woman.

[Dr. Francis]

Pregnancy is not a disease. It is not something that needs to be cured or treated. It's actually a sign that a woman's body is functioning exactly how it was made to function.

[Host]

Happy Friday. I hope everyone is having a great week. I sure am because this weekend is Mother's Day.

[Isabel]

It is my second Mother's Day, getting

[Host]

to celebrate with my beautiful family and I'm sure you all have amazing plans. You're ready to knock off for the weekend early. But let me tell you, today's episode is worth being sat for. Our friends at EveryLife who I have done so much incredible work with over the past few years as the world's only overtly pro life diaper company are teaming up with Applog, the Association for Pro Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists to launch a new campaign this week. And you might have already seen me post about this on social media, but I can't wait for you to hear all the details. Called Rethink Pregnancy in a time where pregnancy is sold to the women of our generation as something that's incredibly scary. A short term disability, A disease that you catch that needs to be cured or just downright terrifying enough that you will literally die when you happen to fall pregnant. I am so disappointed to see our culture continue down this route when at least in my experience pregnancy was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. It made me feel physically wonderful. I felt unbelievably beautiful.

[Isabel]

And it's given me a sense of

[Host]

purpose and meaning and direction in my life that I've never had for previously. We're joined by the founder of EveryLife Today, Sarah Gable, and her friend Dr. Francis, one of the incredible physicians at Applog, to talk about why pregnancy is not this horrible thing that happens to you, but may actually be one of the best things that could ever change your life forever. Let's jump right in. We are joined this beautiful Friday by two of my favorite people to talk about an incredible campaign that just launched this week. Thanks to our friends at EveryLife and aimed at rethinking pregnancy and reframing the entire beautiful journey of bringing life into

[Isabel]

the world for the next generation.

[Host]

Sarah Gabel and Dr. Francis, thank you guys so much for being here. Sarah Gabel, we just had you on

[Isabel]

a few weeks ago about everylife and

[Host]

the story behind why this company exists.

[Isabel]

The clips are still going viral on TikTok because so many people have no

[Host]

idea that you are the only pro

[Isabel]

life diaper company on the planet, that every other diaper company, Huggies, Luvs, Pampers, all of it is either vocally or financially or both. So supporting the abortion industry and killing off their own customer base, which makes no logical sense. Tell us a little bit about why

[Host]

we're here with EveryLife and importantly, what this campaign means.

[Sarah Gable]

Well, thank you so much for having me. It's an honor to be here and I am absolutely thrilled to be launching what I think is the most vital message that young women and women in their childbearing years need to hear right now. I was telling Dr. Francis before we came on the show that when I was 20, I wish that I had rethink pregnancy and the content that we have out for the world to hear. That pregnancy does not have to be this burdensome, setback, exhausting, miserable experience. It actually can be an experience that is beautiful, that is a blessing, that is beneficial to the body. We were meant as women to bear a child, to carry life. And I am so devastated that the world today doesn't want to celebrate that truth, that reality. And so the purpose of Rethink Pregnancy, this campaign that we have with Applog and EveryLife, is to showcase that women are capable, that their bodies are so uniquely and wonderfully made by God. And we want to send a countercultural message to the world that this is

[Isabel]

worth celebrating and that alone before we bring you in, Dr. Francis is radically

[Host]

countercultural to say, right.

[Isabel]

To say women were designed to have children is the worst thing that you could possibly say in our hyperfeminist society.

[Host]

But that's literally why our bodies function the way they do. We get a period every month.

[Isabel]

It's why only we can bear children and bring them into the world through birth.

[Host]

Men could certainly never attempt to do

[Isabel]

something like this, although I'm sure they'll try here before too long to figure

[Host]

out how to make that happen.

[Isabel]

That's why applog is so important as an organization. What is it importantly and why does it matter so much?

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah. Well, also, thank you so much for having me on. It's great to be here with both of you. I think this is the perfect partnership for a campaign because just like everylife was started because all these other diaper companies were supporting abortion, which makes no sense for diaper companies. Aplog the American association of Pro Life obgyns was started to maintain a pro life voice within the field of obgyn. And now it's expanded well beyond that to all women's healthcare professionals who desire to practice life affirming medicine. We were started within acog, the American College of Ob gyns, who now has become unfortunately so radically pro abortion, in fact recently changing their logo to completely remove the mom and baby.

[Host]

Are you serious? That were in their logo for obstetricians?

[Dr. Francis]

Yes.

[Isabel]

Okay.

[Dr. Francis]

I mean, it's so sad. It's so sad, but it's honestly so antithetical to who we are as a profession. We exist to take care of moms before they become pregnant, throughout their pregnancies and beyond. And so to remove that or to be pro abortion makes no sense for an obstetrician. And so I think it's just such a great partnership because we're so similar in so many ways of why we were founded. We're the largest professional medical organization for life affirming medical professionals in the world. We've got 8,000 members across the country who really want to provide life affirming care to our patients. And we, like everylife, just see the cultural change that has happened with how women, how our culture views motherhood and pregnancy. And when we were talking back when we were thinking about launching this campaign, I just said, especially since the Dobbs decision, I feel like there are women and girls who legitimately feel like they will die if they get pregnant because all they hear about are the complications.

[Isabel]

Controversial anymore.

[Host]

Everyone says that.

[Dr. Francis]

And yes, there are complications that occur during pregnancy. That's why I have a job, so I can help manage those complications. But the vast majority of pregnancies not only go well, but also provide tremendous long term health benefits for women. And so it's so important that that message be out there that we again rethink pregnancy to think about it in a pos and wonderful way and not in this fear mongering and really negative way.

[Isabel]

Let's start with that, actually, because I wanna get into all of the cultural shift that has happened to why we need this campaign in a minute. But you're telling me that pregnancy is not only safe 99.9% of the time, but it actually helps me as a

[Host]

woman, which is radically different from anything

[Isabel]

that you're seeing even from most medical experts today, and especially on social media and in the podcasting space. I know this, obviously, but for the women in my generation who don't, what are some of those benefits?

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think it's important to start out by again rethinking it, reframing it. Pregnancy is not a disease. It is not something that needs to be cured or treated. As you said at the beginning, it's actually a sign that a woman's body is functioning exactly how it was made to function. So I think we need to realize that that pregnancy is supposed to happen actually, you know, that means that your body's working well. But beyond that, there are amazing health benefits to women of being pregnant, of breastfeeding, of mothering as well. So there's even some benefits we see in mothers of adopted children so that occur even outside of pregnancy. But just the act of being a mother actually expands lifespan. It decreases depression and anxiety rates, which is amazing. But for pregnancy, it significantly reduces a woman's risk of breast cancer, especially if she breastfeeds. She gets even more protection. Risk of ovarian cancer, risk of uterine cancer. There is a decreased risk over her lifetime of autoimmune diseases like multiple multiple sclerosis, which is amazing, you know, that pregnancy is providing those kind of benefits. But also one of the things we talk about in the campaign is lots of women who've been pregnant will know about pregnancy. Brain. Right. Which. I know for friends of mine who have been pregnant is very frustrating oftentimes,

[Sarah Gable]

even though, even though that has seemed so negative, but it's actually a wonderful thing.

[Dr. Francis]

It is an amazing thing. But, you know, and understanding it can be very frustrating in the moment for a woman who says, I know, I used to know that and now I can't think of it. But when you look at the science of what's happening. Actually, a woman's brain, under the influences of the hormones that her body is making during pregnancy, starts to remodel itself in really beneficial ways. So it's remodeling itself in a way that will allow her to be able to multitask. You're a new mom, I'm sure that you can multitask now in ways that you didn't used to be able to. Multitask allows her to be empathetic, allows her, when her baby is crying in the middle of the night and waking her up for maybe the third or the fourth time, to still feel empathy and love towards her baby in a way that she was not able to before she was pregnant. And so it really is this mechanism of ensuring that women can care for their children, but also has long term benefits. I mean, there's lots of studies that show that mothers actually do really well in the workplace because of that ability to multitask. And so it's actually giving those benefits for her lifetime. Even though in the moment pregnancy brain can be really frustrating and seem like a negative thing, it actually is a wonderful adaptive thing that the Lord put into our bodies and our makeup when we're pregnant.

[Isabel]

Well, and not to mention the mental health aspect of all of this as well. The Institute for Family Studies has done amazing research on all of this. And in the wake of all of the views attempt to slaughter my family on the Internet for encouraging other people

[Host]

to have families, I did a whole

[Isabel]

deep dive into all of their research on mental health and parenthood. And it turns out for both men and women under 35, being married and having children is the number one indicator of happiness. Married dads with children, obviously compared to unmarried childless men under 35 are 2.6 times happier. And married moms with kids under 35 versus unmarried childless women at that same age are 3 times happier. That alone is the easiest opportunity for our generation to look around and realize we're living through a pretty dark time in modern history. I want to hold onto something bigger than myself. Maybe this is that anchor to something I can leave behind and make me happy.

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Sarah Gable]

And I just think when you were sharing all that, I can't help but reflect on my personal experience of going through pregnancy and, you know, going into it. I did have a lot of fears and I was told a whole list of things not to do.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Sarah Gable]

And it can feel very restrictive and you feel almost so fragile in a way that makes you feel like you're not capable. But then when I flipped the switch and started to see there's so many things that I actually can do. And I started to see this child as responsibility that I need to nurture and that I actually get to carry. I was so empowered during that season, my first pregnancy, and now I have gone through a second. And I can't tell you, my mental health increased in ways that I've never experienced. I was so much more peaceful, so much more content. And I had this drive and this purpose that I had never felt before until I carried that child. Because no longer was it about me and just nurturing my own body. I now needed to think about somebody else's body inside of mine in order that she may be healthy. And I wanted to prepare for the best birth possible. And I wanted to make sure that I was doing everything in my power to ensure that I was becoming the best mom. And you do become a mom the moment that baby enters your womb. And that is a life that we get to steward. And so I just think about my mental health, my spiritual health. I mean, spiritually, I just surrender to God in ways that I have never surrendered to him before. Because your body is going through so much change. But when you know the facts and you understand what is happening inside of your body, you begin to inform, embrace it. And you don't see it as a setback. You actually see it as something to champion and something that is good.

[Host]

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[Isabel]

in our culture and just not worth it anymore.

[Host]

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[Isabel]

It's not something that's happening to you as this oppressive external force, which is how pregnancy is often presented to young women. It's an empowering opportunity from within to

[Host]

become a different person.

[Isabel]

And that's not bad. It's actually beautiful and it's good. I find it so fascinating, and maybe this is the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist in me a little bit here, but so fascinating that under the last presidential administration, one of the last actions of the then Surgeon General, the most supposedly respected doctor in our society, was to issue an official public health warning that parenting is dangerous for your health as an adult. And his reasoning behind all of that was that parenting and the stress and the mental load that comes with raising a child causes so many downstream mental health impacts that actually it makes you more lonely. It isolates you, which doesn't even make any sense, actually, because you're the opposite of isolated. You're surrounded by more people who are your people. Like that doesn't ever make sense to me.

[Host]

But that seemed to me to be

[Isabel]

this disgusting Trojan horse for more isolation and for more mental health issues and dependency on the pharmaceutical industry or big government or whatever the reason for that is. Where do you think that push is coming from in the medical field?

[Dr. Francis]

Well, I mean, it goes back decades now of really the medical field being infiltrated by, for lack of a better way of putting it, pro death forces. So it started with abortion. You know, abortion really, I think, started to take hold culturally when it got a stamp of approval from medicine. Before it got that stamp of approval, I think it was hard for it to really take a foothold in our culture. But then it's seen as legitimate once the medical profession gives its stamp of approval. And that's actually how my organization came to be, because ACOG started to become very pro abortion. They filed pro abortion amicus briefs in both the Roe and the DOE cases, even though there was no medical evidence to say that it was beneficial or necessary. And so I really think that started the change in the culture, and now medicine has really become more of a provider model as opposed to a profession or a vocation. So one of my soapboxes is that I don't think we should be called providers. And the reason for that is because we're not here to simply be in a transactional relationship with you. If you're my patient, this is not a transactional relationship. This is a fiduciary relationship where I have a responsibility to you as my patient to ensure that I don't recommend anything that is bad for your health or ensure that I'm not recommending anything that's being influenced by outside influences. And what we're seeing now is there is all kinds of outside influences that are impacting what a doctor is recommending to their patient. And that's why we see now not only wholesale experience acceptance of abortion. Although I will say that still 93% of OB GYNs don't do abortions. So even though it's largely accepted within sort of the medical mainstream. It hasn't made its way to more people doing them, which I find very, very reassuring. But you know, now we see acceptance of euthanasia and physician assisted suicide by many physicians. And it's because it has become this very utilitarian ethic in medicine where, you know, whatever is sort of best for the larger good, what's seen as being best for the larger good, and taking out the individual patient, physician relationship.

[Isabel]

Interesting.

[Dr. Francis]

And so I think that that's where a lot of this has come from. And you know, same thing with pregnancy. I mean, pregnancy, it's a time where we invest a lot into patients as a, as a medical field and it can be fraught with potential complications, things like that, but they're manageable, we can do that. And so I just think that that sort of view of this is very transactional. Whatever, patient autonomy has now risen to be the top thing that is supposed to guide us. So whatever the patient wants, they should get. Now oftentimes that also becomes very one sided. I have lots of friends and patients who have maybe faced an adverse diagnosis for their baby. You know, during their pregnancy. They got a difficult diagnosis for their baby and had to actually fight for doctors to give them life affirming care and not recommend abortion at every visit.

[Isabel]

So we had a friend here on the show a few weeks ago who has lost two daughters tragically and has an amazing story of resilience and faith in God and thanking God for every day she had with her daughters. But in both circumstances they had difficulty, very, very serious, life threatening diagnoses in the womb. And the immediate response from every MFM that she spoke to and every OBGYN that she spoke to was you should terminate your pregnancy. She said, no, obviously I'm not gonna do that. But it was incredibly traumatic obviously for her and her family. So in that case, I do think patient autonomy is obviously deeply important.

[Host]

But it seems to me that there's

[Isabel]

this undercurrent of attack on life and attack on biological reality culturally that is distorting our concept of scientific truth that even wasn't present when I was a science student. My background scientifically in academia was in the biomedical sciences and I wanted to be a physician. God obviously took my life in a completely different way. But I went through undergrad and my graduate program studying BMS and absolutely loved it. Physiology was one of my favorite classes, hand in hand with anatomy because you got to see the beauty and the miraculous experience of what it takes to sustain life in the womb, both in the tangible side of the human body when we were working with cadavers, but also everything we studied in physiology. And I will never forget my first black pill moment in the science world being that we had studied for three, four months about everything related to fetal development for a massive exam. I memorized all the stuff for the exam. I was so excited about it. It was so interesting to me. We took the exam and the next day in class, our professor said, yeah, but just so you know, all of you who are going to be physicians, some of you will be vets, but some of you will be doctors, will probably be forced to participate in abortions anyway because it's life saving care and it doesn't end. A genetically unique human life.

[Sarah Gable]

My goodness.

[Host]

And I'm like, hang on, sorry, wait, hang on.

[Isabel]

We just spent three months talking about the genetic uniqueness of this human being that existed at the moment of conception and all of the miracles that have to happen during its development to make it to birth. And now you're telling me that's not even a human being to begin with. And everyone just nodded and kept their head down and took all the notes. But I think there is a dangerous trend we're seeing in medical education right now where it's this gross memorization of a million different tiny facts and niche subjects to get ready for the exam, to get the best gpa, to score well on the mcat, to go to a great medical school. And then you rinse and repeat the same process throughout medical school so that by the time you become a physician, you're so used to the manipulation of truth, because that is what's on the exam or what is generally accepted as scientific reality, that then you don't have the ability to think critically for yourself about it. I'm encouraged and I'm very happy that 93% of OBGYNs refuse to participate in abortion. And my sister being in medical school is encountering that in real time right now. But there are 7% who do. And you are ridiculed and shamed as an OB gyn. She just did her OB rotation in med school. If you remotely suggest that a life in the womb is a life in one room, one patient room, but then you go to the next patient room and the mom's excited about having the baby and all of a sudden it's congratulations, right? Where is that double standard coming from in your perspective? And how can we effectively combat it?

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah, absolutely. No, you're right. I mean, you hit the nail on the head with this cognitive dissonance that has to happen for physicians. It's why I've never understood how an OBGYN in particular, but any physician could do abortions. Because how do you go. Yeah, how do you go from one room where the baby is. This is an unplanned, unexpected pregnancy. Mom is in crisis. So you say it's fine to just end the life. You don't talk to her about all the benefits of pregnancy. Like, I know this is hard, but it can be so empowering for you. We're gonna support you, we're gonna get you through this and help you make good life choices and good life changes so that you can take care of your baby. But how do you go from just telling her that this is not a life, it's fine to just end this life, which is. Is completely antithetical again, to the purpose of medicine, which is health, healing, and wholeness. Abortion does none of those things. Supporting a woman celebrating her pregnancy does all of those things. And then go to the next room where you have a very wanted pregnancy, and maybe baby's facing some challenges, or mom is facing some challenges. And you say, we're gonna do everything we can to help you and your baby and support you and your baby. How are those so different? And again, I think it's because these actions, outside cultural influences have been allowed to infiltrate the medical field. We should be protected from that. We should be above all of that. It is what breaks my heart the most. I think about our profession right now on so many issues, on the transgender issue, on abortion, on end of life issues, all of that. These cultural influences have been allowed to infiltrate medicine because we've lost sight of the fact, going back to that this is a vocation. It's a calling that we have been called that sets us apart from really any other profession or vocation. To say, I have this unique responsibility to my patients, which includes baby. It's the best part of being an OB is that we're taking care of two patients simultaneously. That we have this responsibility to our patients, and we need to get that back in medicine. And I think that this campaign to rethink pregnancy is gonna be so helpful for women, obviously, who are contemplating pregnancy or who are pregnant. But I'm also really hopeful that it's gonna be beneficial to physicians and other women's healthcare professionals to say, you need to rethink pregnancy.

[Isabel]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dr. Francis]

You need to rethink how you're approaching patients. And also, we know that there are so many pro life physicians out there. As you said, your sister has experienced. There is a lot of pressure and coercion to be silent if you are pro life. But we have a directory on our website of pro life physicians who have chosen to be listed publicly. It is the most visited part of our website because so many women want a pro life doctor and we try to encourage people to list publicly. Many of them are afraid because they're afraid of being fired from their jobs or some kind of professional blowback. So I'm actually hoping that this campaign and women raising the call to say this is the kind of care that I want will actually encourage more physicians to be publicly pro life.

[Sarah Gable]

I pray that applog blows up because of this campaign, truly, because I think about how many women are seeking the celebration, the alignment with their doctor. It's such an intimate relationship. You're walking with your doctor through the most important time of your life and you want to trust that doctor. And if you know that they're pro life and you know that they're full for you, then the intimacy and the connection just goes to a different level. But so many women can't find it. And I think about my own story and you know, I worked at a pregnancy resource center and directed one in San Clemente for a couple years. And I was so thankful because so many women were coming to pregnancy resource centers because it was free and they needed just a confirmation of the pregnancy. Many of them were abortion minded and vulnerable, but they were getting that relational component because everyone that works at a pregnancy resource center, they are pro life and they are for the woman and they are for the baby. And they want to give you the truth, the actual truth about your options. Help them understand what is happening inside of their body and then show them their baby on the ultrasound screen. The amount of women that came in from Planned parenthood into our doors that said I did not even get to see my baby on the screen. They wouldn't let me and I left

[Isabel]

because that is the official policy, by the way. They do not let their patients see the old truth of their baby, which easily is the biggest indicator that you will change your mind to keep your baby. Because you're gonna see hands and toes and a nose, all of the beautiful things, because they don't want you to know your baby.

[Sarah Gable]

It's such a disservice for people who

[Dr. Francis]

claim to be for women's rights. How paternalistic is that? It's gross to say we know better than you, right? We are not going to give you all of the information that you deserve to have so that you can make an informed choice. We're gonna hide information from you. We're gonna hide your baby from you. We're gonna hide from you and lie

[Isabel]

to you, say it's not even a baby, actually.

[Dr. Francis]

Exactly. We're gonna hide from you the dangers of abortion. We're gonna overemphasize the dangers of pregnancy. So we are lying to you so that you will make the choice that we want you to make.

[Sarah Gable]

Yeah, manipulation.

[Isabel]

I wanna get into that next because I think that line of thinking is so dangerous and so interesting as it's impacting my generation. But I will also say this relationship with your OB GYN is so, so important. It is. I think when I walked through pregnancy, this was my first pregnancy, obviously, I was so shocked how difficult it is

[Host]

to find the right OB practice. How do you.

[Isabel]

Well, you just want to go to the one right down the street from you or whatever.

[Host]

You don't know because you don't have

[Isabel]

this established care with somebody. And in the last eight months or so, again, not to sound too, oh my gosh, what if, what if, what if? Or conspiracy theorists here. I have seen so many healthcare professionals celebrating the assassination of my friend Charlie Kirk. Anesthesiologists, nurse practitioners, people who work in emergency rooms, posting all over social media. And there are amazing people out there, like libs of TikTok and other great accounts that are cataloging all of this and putting it on the Internet so that we know these people are physicians and they may or may not hurt you in situations of vulnerability. And I think about, as an outspoken pro life advocate, in particular, how easy it would be as a public figure for someone to give me wrong information or to harm my baby or to do something really dramatically terrible. So I too hope that this huge database blows up for people to meet amazing doctors who love them, who love their baby, and who will help them experience actual healthcare. But you said something interesting there. When it comes to overemphasizing the danger of pregnancy and totally ignoring the danger of abortion, I can't tell you how many times I see on social media, every single day in my comment section, in other people's videos everywhere, that statistically, Isabel, abortion is way safer than a pregnancy.

[Host]

You are way, way more likely to

[Isabel]

die from being pregnant than you are from abortion. Where does that come from and how can we fight that?

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah, well, it comes from abortionists. So Dr. Daniel Grossman is one of the big researchers OBGYN used to run the American College of OB GYN and then is also an abortionist. And now has just become a huge abortion advocate. He has published a couple really large papers where those statistics come from. So there was one that said abortion is 14 times safer than childbirth. That one is quoted.

[Host]

What?

[Dr. Francis]

Yes. They recently put out one that says, oh, no, we were wrong. Actually, it's 42 times safer than childbirth. I think it's important. Important for people to understand a few things. First of all, we don't have mandatory abortion reporting in the United States. So they are working with theoretical numbers. And they also. Let's take everybody back to basic math, Right. When you're comparing two fractions, what has to be the same in the two fractions? The denominator has to be the same. Right. In order for you to be able to compare fractions. So when we're looking at maternal mortality rate, we're looking at fractions. However, in their papers, they are comparing two fractions with completely different denominators. So they are comparing apples and oranges. So you cannot make that direct comparison. We need better data collection. APLOG has actually fought for a very long time, and ACOG has opposed this, which I think is very telling for us to collect mortality data. So women that die within a year of pregnancy for all pregnancy outcomes, not just live births.

[Isabel]

Interesting.

[Dr. Francis]

We are not collecting that data in the U.S. seriously? No.

[Isabel]

No one even knows.

[Dr. Francis]

No. Which is ridiculous. Again, no matter where somebody stands on the issue of abortion, shouldn't we want accurate health science for women?

[Sarah Gable]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Francis]

I mean, everybody should be demanding this. So they look really closely at outcomes after live births, but they don't look at outcomes after miscarriages, outcomes after ectopic pregnancy, after abortions, and that would be really important data to have.

[Isabel]

Wow.

[Dr. Francis]

But when we look at data from other countries. So I am not a fan of socialized medicine. Just want to put that out there for good. I am not a fan of socialized medicine, but one thing that socialized medicine does is it allows us to collect really good data because everything is stored in a central data center.

[Isabel]

Same system.

[Dr. Francis]

Yep, exactly. So when you look at data from other countries, there's a massive study out of Finland that showed that pregnancy actually had a. A protective benefit to women, that they were less likely to die not only than women who had abortions, but women who had never even been pregnant.

[Isabel]

Wow.

[Dr. Francis]

Yes. Or not been pregnant within the last year. That's incredible. Yes. So actually, pregnancy likely has a protective benefit. Now, again, there are definite issues with maternity care in the US we have huge maternity healthcare deserts across this country where women cannot access prenatal care. Guess what? One of the reasons for that is because we are aborting so many babies that small labor and delivery units are having to close because they're not having enough deliveries to keep themselves open.

[Sarah Gable]

Devastating.

[Dr. Francis]

So abortion is actually.

[Sarah Gable]

And our birth rate continues to decline.

[Dr. Francis]

Exactly, exactly. We're now well below replacement rate on our fertility rate in this country. So that's leading to closures of these labor and delivery units, which is making access much harder for women to get prenatal care during their pregnancies. So we have huge issues. There are. Most maternal deaths in this country are actually preventable if we can give them good care. I think if we can give them good information about pregnancy.

[Sarah Gable]

Let's just start there.

[Dr. Francis]

Exactly. Good information about their pregnancy. Yes.

[Isabel]

Sarah Gabel, you said early on that when you were pregnant you were shocked to discover how much fear mongering is out there, that you're going to literally die. I saw a lot of it on social media too.

[Sarah Gable]

Your body's gonna just be destroyed.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Isabel]

Tell me a little bit about where is that information encountering you?

[Sarah Gable]

That's such a great question because I was raised in a Christian home in a great environment. But I had this message. It was kind of subtle, but it was almost as if pregnancy was just this really unfortunate thing to have to go through like instability and almost. And almost like just push it off or just don't do it at all. Because if you do it, it's going to steal your dreams. You're not going to be able to accomplish your goals. It's going to set you back. And now, you know, you can't be independent and you have to take care of somebody else. And it's better to be selfish. I mean, that's really the message now. I didn't see that at the time, but I absolutely could have been one of these women that I talk to now today, over and over again at 40 years old that says I bought the lie that career and my own ambitions were so much more important. Important than finding a husband, getting married and having children and regretting that decision and wishing so desperately to be married, to have children. And so I'm so thankful that God got ahold of my life. And that isn't my story, but that's why we're doing rethink. It's because we want to get ahead and we want to communicate to these women that this is something that's so empowering. I remember going through my first birth and my second and I had and I don't know what this was like, I did unmedicated, so I did an app and actually I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on. I feel like there's an uptick of home births and kind of doing a more holistic approach because I do think that there's, especially after the COVID season, so many individuals and families are very skeptical of the medical system, which is really unfortunate because there's incredible doctors out there. Hence why I want Apple to just blow up. And I hope if you are a physician listening to this, sign up, because people are desperately looking for doctors that are pro life and they want to have their baby in a hospital, but they feel like they can't because they don't have that connection with their doctor. And honestly, that was my story. And so I chose to do a home birth for my second baby. The first one I did in a facility, but it was all unmedicated. But I cannot tell you, I had no idea that I could go through so much pain but have so much motivation and so much dedication to the process. There were times I wanted to tap out and I was like, give me the medicine. I'm like, done. But I had this thing in me, this fight, and it was so worth it. Just letting my body run its course and watching the different things that happen. It was so worth it to then hold that baby and say, I got to not only hold you in my womb, but now I get to hold you in my arms. And the love that you have for that little one is undescribable. It's unbelievable. And I think that's why I just love what we're doing at EveryLife. And I love what we're doing with Applog because it's so much more than providing diapers for us and providing care for patients. It's really to shift culture and to help women and see that there is so much more to life than living for yourself.

[Isabel]

As you guys know, this weekend is

[Host]

Mother's Day, and if you're still trying last minute to find something that actually feels thoughtful as a gift this year, it's weirdly harder than it should be. A lot of gifts just end up feeling totally generic, like you grabbed something at the last minute. But I have searched far and wide

[Isabel]

and found something that feels a lot more personal.

[Host]

Kexi is a family owned bakery that has put together a special Mother's Day cookie box. And it is not just cute, it's actually really, really well done. The flavors are amazing and the whole thing feels just totally intentional. Like you didn't Check a box. You actually picked something out. I am a cookie snob. It can't be too crispy. It can't be too sweet. It's gotta be just right. And we love Kexi cookies in our house.

[Isabel]

Every time they show up in a little box at our front door, my husband says, oop, well, there goes my diet.

[Host]

It's all over for me.

[Isabel]

And I've been known to sneak more than one Once I put my baby down for sleep.

[Host]

But it's companies like this that I love supporting for a gift for Mother's Day that the moms in your life will actually sit down and enjoy. Flowers are always great to receive, but eating a great cookie is a moment that just can't quite be replicated. Their German chocolate cookie is one of their most popular. And the Texas chocolate chip is a classic done really, really well. But honestly, you can't go wrong with any of their flavors. So no need to run to the store or grab a bag or wrap something up as a gift. Kexi has you covered with their Mother's Day themed box. Plus, you can sip it straight to your door or directly to your mom, which makes it so incredibly easy.

[Isabel]

Warning.

[Host]

They do sell out every single year, so don't wait another minute for this. Go to kexi.com and order your box now. And if you want to try anything else on their site, you can use code ISABEL for 15. Off again. That's Kexi. K-E K-S-I.com as you guys know, this Mother's Day, I'm so excited.

[Isabel]

It's my second Mother's Day ever to celebrate, but I was a brand new mom becoming a mom for the first

[Host]

time about a year ago exactly last year. And since then, my entire relationship with food has dramatically changed. Because when you're feeding a baby, you start caring a whole lot more about what's actually in your food, and especially theirs. But here's the thing. Even when you think that you're making clean choices, you probably actually aren't. Labels are designed to be incredibly confusing. And seed oils show up in all of the organic snacks. And a lot of kids foods still have dyes that are banned in most other countries around the world. And that's why I've been using Olive every single time I go to the grocery store. Olive is an app that scans any product and gives a score out of a hundred based on how processed that particular food is based on additives and seed oils.

[Isabel]

All of it.

[Host]

It takes two seconds. You just whip out your phone, you scan the barcode and you get an instant answer. And I know most of us are in a rush. You can even scan a whole shelf at once and quickly figure out what's actually worth buying. What I love the most, though, is that Olive isn't influenced by brands. They have no ads on the app, no brand partnerships, just honest ratings based on reality. I use it at the grocery store and even on all the stuff already in my pantry. And honestly, some of what I have found in my daughter's food was incredibly eye opening. You guys can check it out for yourself and download Olive for free for seven days in the Apple app and Google Play stores today. That's Olive O L I V E. Because the people you love deserve so much better than just good enough.

[Isabel]

Amen. And I call it malignant narcissism. What's being presented to our generation because the number of videos about this that are out there every day, we're encountering in our increasingly digitalized world. People are disgustingly obsessed with themselves. And I have a hard time even faulting them for that because that is what they've been coached to do. The number of young women, though, whose entire mentality in life is, I need to be radically selfish at this era of my life today, in my 20s, mostly so that I could get the next ladder on the career ladder or the next rung on the career ladder done so that I can have these beautiful, thriving friendships. I can experience a healthy, healthy, romantic journey with a bunch of different men so that I can live in my own apartment.

[Host]

All of these things.

[Isabel]

I just think selling this concept to young women, that you're gonna lose any sense of your individual identity, that you can't handle a career or your education at the same time that settling down with a single guy is gonna ruin your sense of adventure and fun is so disgustingly abrasive.

[Sarah Gable]

And it's wrong.

[Isabel]

It's wrong, it's not accurate, and it's the bigotry of low expectations. It's the same way that we view a whole host of other cultural issues in our country, that you're too stupid and you're not strong enough and you're an idiot. And you just need to remain totally void of any sort of anchor to something bigger than yourself, because that's what empowerment looks like. Meanwhile, you're a mother running a beautiful business. You see?

[Host]

Amazing.

[Sarah Gable]

They're my why. That's why I do it.

[Isabel]

It's the reason you get out of bed every morning. I made the production story of shadowing a physician the other Day who is nine months pregnant and she was in the OR for an eight hour surgery, performing surgery on somebody else and she loved it. She was living the dream.

[Sarah Gable]

Amazing what women can do. Let's celebrate her.

[Dr. Francis]

That is amazing.

[Sarah Gable]

I was just going to say to, to your question. I actually started thinking about where does that fear come in? That was your question. And I actually think it backs all the way up to sex ed. Like I remember sitting in middle school and it was so fear based, like, don't have sex, don't have sex. If you have sex, you will die because you will get pregnant and you cannot get pregnant. And so just. It was this really sad way of introducing sex to young children who are so vulnerable and listen to, you know, their teachers. And it's so important that we think about how we even introduce sex to the next generation. And I think it actually starts there.

[Isabel]

That alone is so damaging. Right. Because beautiful, beautiful sex is beautiful. Then it would also be. We just talked the other day here on our show about EV Magazine launching their sex issues for married women. I love what they're doing. I give real intimacy advice. Very controversial. We got a lot of mixed reviews from people in the comment section. But Brittany was saying that one of the things she's hearing from all of her friends right now is that they were constantly told as young Christian women growing up, sex is evil. Sex is evil. Sex is evil. Sex is evil.

[Sarah Gable]

Shameful.

[Isabel]

They get married and on their wedding night you have to do a complete 180 and think sex is now beautiful and it's the best way that I can possibly bond with my husband. But you feel that continued shame and confusion. And I don't find it coincidental at all that Planned Parenthood is the number one author of sex ed for public schools in America. That alone is a policy issue that needs to change in our country today, especially when we control all three levers of government.

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah. And their sex ed curriculum is horrendous. Any parents that are watching this need to be asking your child's school, who is the sex ed curriculum from? Because I know of even religious schools that I think without knowing it allowed that into their school system. And it's really, really horrendous the material that's in it, even for 4 and 5 year olds from Planned Parenthood, you're right. It's a total. And I think not only do then women have to do this, faithful women have to do this 180 switch on their wedding night of oh, this isn't a horrible thing. It's actually a good thing. And I need to think that way. But I think pregnancy gets tied in with that too. And pregnancy is something to be feared. Right? Like, don't have sex because you'll get pregnant, you know, and so it's like a disease. Exactly. So they're tied together. And so I think, you know, probably lots of really well meaning women who are married and have kids, you know, maybe talk about the. The tough parts of pregnancy, which, you know, I'm not glossing over any of this challenge. There are tough parts of pregnancy for sure, but let's reframe that for women to say, but it's worth it and here's why. Here's why you're going through that. Or, yeah, this is really hard and it really sucks right now. But let's get you through this because it's gonna be worth it in the end. And it's still such a beautiful thing. And then, you know, and then recognizing the beauty of delivery too, and well beyond, you know, I mean, that's why I always say that my profession chose me. I didn't choose my profession. It was the first time I was in a delivery room as a medical student and cried. I didn't even know the woman. I cried. Cause I thought it was the most beautiful, so extraordinary, amazing thing that I had ever seen. And this seasoned labor and delivery nurse was in there. She was at the baby warmer and she leaned over and she whispered in my ear and she said, oh, honey, if this makes you cry, you need

[Isabel]

to do this for a little. I'm crying right now.

[Sarah Gable]

Goodness, I like that.

[Dr. Francis]

And I wish so many times I could go back and find her and say thank you. Because I wasn't even thinking about ob GYN before she said that, you know, and thank her because she really changed the course of my life. And now I can't imagine doing anything else. It's the best job in the world. But that doesn't get conveyed to our patients often enough. I think of how wonderful this is and how we can support and empower women. And really, the medical profession, I think, has honestly a lot of fault in this. And I'm not faulting any individual physician. It's the way we're trained and we are products of our training. I'm sure your sister is experiencing the same thing. But to your point on home births, and I'm not a huge fan of home births, but that's right.

[Sarah Gable]

We can still.

[Isabel]

It's okay.

[Sarah Gable]

We can still love each other through

[Dr. Francis]

it, but I think that it's actually our profession that has caused this up. I can home birth.

[Sarah Gable]

I do too.

[Dr. Francis]

Because we are not allowing women to have fewer interventions in the hospital setting where we have backups. You know, there's a safety net there if something goes wrong. But we've become so interventionalist that I think it's just really. And sometimes we need to do interventions. They're there for a reason. But you know, we live in this very litiginous society. I think a lot of doctors are afraid of being sued. And so there's a lot of interventions that are done. And so we drive women out of the hospital setting versus and I think this ties in with this campaign so well of like celebrating the benefits and the joys of pregnancy. Part of that is let's do things better in the delivery room too so that we can help support women and, you know, help them and their babies have better outcomes.

[Isabel]

What I love the most about this rethink pregnancy campaign is that it's going on offense because it's so tempting for us to just say that's over there. That's really bad. That's so evil. Yada yada yada. We need a new response to all of this, but somebody should do it. Not me. And I love that everylife and aflog are filling those. But the need for us to go on offense is because the rabidly pro abortion death cult in our society today has gone on offense for so long to distort reality. Apparently. The Today show ran a whole story this week that there are many ways that you can easily die in today's society. Was it number six? I think number two of the many ways to easily die is to get pregnant, which is crazy. We certainly know that Everyone says abortion is way safer for your health and you're way less likely to die if you get an abortion than if you're experiencing something like childbirth. The abortion pill is regularly sold to young women as like taking a heavy Tylenol. How that comparison even remotely exists when Tylenol is a pain reliever and abortion is going to cause you.

[Sarah Gable]

Aren't they calling it a pill now? They're not even calling it an abortion.

[Host]

They're calling calling it a pill.

[Sarah Gable]

And so many of them are trying to rename and water down to make

[Host]

you have that period.

[Dr. Francis]

Yes. They're now being called period pills because oh, you missed your period, so just take the pill. Yeah. Why did you miss your period? Cause you're pregnant with a human being inside of you. We can help you reestablish Your period.

[Sarah Gable]

I know.

[Isabel]

I have chills right now. I know.

[Sarah Gable]

Oh my gosh. So they'll just keep it in their bathroom so they have it on, you know, it's available at any point. So it's like, like a Tylenol.

[Dr. Francis]

It's so dangerous. We did an expose video recently where I as a physician went on because I wanted to see. We've seen lots of videos about how easy these pills are to get online. You know, lots of people have posted that obviously men are getting it, they're slipping it into their girlfriend's drink.

[Isabel]

There have been numerous convictions from men that have done this and killed their wives too.

[Dr. Francis]

But we keep hearing it referred to as telehealth or telemedicine. And I think when you hear telehealth or telemedicine, you probably think, oh, you're sitting down, there's a doctor or some kind of medical professional on a computer screen. That is absolutely not what's happening. So I got onto one of these websites as a physician, put in every contraindication, so every medical reason why someone should not get these pills. Cause they would be dangerous for them in the end. I was a 13 year old with an IUD in place, with three previous C sections, a history of an ectopic pregnancy on blood thinners, anemic, and living in Indiana, which I do live in Indiana, where abortion is illegal. And after I paid, two and a half days later, I had the pills in my mailbox. And despite saying that, and I never had any interaction with a healthcare professional, despite them saying that I would not get the payment link until my information had been reviewed by a healthcare professional. A minute and a half after I submitted my request, I had the payment link. So it was obviously an automatically generated email. This is not telehealth. It is not telemedicine. It is death by mail for a baby every time. Oh my gosh, many times for women as well. And this is supposedly what's empowering to women. It is absolute medical malpractice that no one is being held accountable for. Now, hopefully they will be. It's working its way through the courts and hopefully they will be. But nobody's being held accountable for this. And this is what's being sold to women as healthcare. This is what's being sold to women as well. Empowering. And you know, again, another thing that I'm so excited about, about this campaign is no, we have a better vision for this. We have a much better vision.

[Isabel]

Well, there's no better contrast than something you brought. And Showed to me right before we started filming. I don't know if you still have it in your pocket, but acog, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the

[Host]

people who help you bring your baby

[Isabel]

into the world, theoretically, have now said that you're not allowed to congratulate your patients on a pregnancy. Is that true?

[Dr. Francis]

Yes. Yes. So in this new statement from them, which is person centered, not women centered, person centered, pregnancy options, counseling to really, I think, tell those of us who are pro life, hey, you gotta check your bias at the door. You can't bring it into the exam room with you. Yes, this is what they said. Reflexively offering congratulations for a patient's pregnancy may be counterproductive to building trust in the patient doctor relationship. So now we've taken the field of obstetrics, which is about managing pregnancy and taking care of pregnant women and saying you should never reflexively congratulate any patient that you're seeing. I mean, first of all, that is ludicrous. It destroys our profession. That's great. But second of all, what does it say to women then? We should be walking in and saying, even in the toughest of circumstances, even if it's a 16 year old who's pregnant, and yeah, it's gonna be a tough road for her, congratulations. But the first thing out of our mouths should be congratulations on your baby.

[Sarah Gable]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Francis]

I am here to support you and

[Isabel]

walk you through this as Rethink Pregnancy is going to do that and congratulate so many moms on this new journey of life. I also think it is so beautiful that we are running this episode a few days before Mother's Day. So I'm very curious to get both of your messages to our viewers this day about how we can continue to celebrate motherhood and that message of congratulations, if they need to hear it. Sarah Gable, we can start with you.

[Sarah Gable]

Yeah, I mean, I think Mother's Day is one of my favorite holidays, obviously, because it's a time to recognize mothers for who they are and what they contribute to the family. And I'm so excited that rethink is really allowing us to tell the mom who's maybe gone through the pregnancy before and already has the children what she has accomplished. And I think about myself, and sure, I'm excited to reach them before that point in time. But this is gonna resonate for the moms, too, that are in motherhood, that are in the trenches right now, encouraging them in their focus and their ministry, and maybe even encourage them to have more children, because I think so many times because there's not this encouraging message about motherhood and childbearing and bringing a beautiful boy or girl into the world. So many stop ahead of really what maybe God is calling them into, which is to be fruitful and multiply and to have several children. And they even feel restricted. And, okay, I have my two and I'm done. And if that's what God calls you to, awesome, wonderful. But what if there's more? What if he wants you to have more? And so I'm actually really excited that this. I feel like we're going to get testimonies of moms coming in. Just saying, because of this campaign, I now am so amazed by the way God designed my body. And I'm excited to have more children. And then also on the other side of the aisle, I feel like we're going to be able for Mother's Day, season and month, be able to encourage that new couple that just got married to go ahead and start thinking about having a child. And I think a lot of times, even ones who come together, they put it off for so long because they bought this subtle lie that they need to wait. And what if? Why not now? Why not have children now? Because it is the most rewarding, satisfying, beautiful, beneficial thing that you can go through. And so I'm so excited that we're doing this during Mother's Day to speak to the mom who exists today, the one that's about to be. And then even reaching those ones that are way ahead, you know, in their teens, I really pray it gets to them, too, because I want them to hear that their future can look different without vision. The people do perish. And I feel like. Like this campaign is really casting vision for what their life could look like. And it's so much better than what they could think or imagine when they start to rethink what pregnancy can do for their life and for their future. And so I'm thrilled that this is coming at the time that it is, it's needed.

[Isabel]

Dr. Francis, how about from the medical perspective? What message do you hope they take away from this?

[Dr. Francis]

Yeah, well, I think there's a few. I think, first, just to piggyback off of what Sarah gave me said just for women to understand this is their superpower and it actually benefits them from a medical and a health standpoint to get pregnant and to get pregnant early. Actually, one of the things I didn't mention before, especially that breast cancer reduction, the risk reduction, is actually better when women get pregnant before the age of 30 when they start getting pregnant before 30. We also know that women's fertility drops off the longer they wait. So my encouragement would be just the same as yours. You know, get pregnant. You know, I want you to be married first, be in a solid family relationship. But yeah, but don't put it off because it will add so much to your life, not only from sort of a social and emotional standpoint, but also just from a health standpoint. The other thing I would encourage women to do and think about this maybe around Mother's Day is when you're seeing your doctor, when you're seeing your obgyn, ask them what their position on life is and encourage them, tell them that you want a life affirming physician. I think there's so many out there that are quiet and sort of in the shadows because they don't realize that that's what patients want. So we want them to hear that from patients. And yeah, and I would agree. I think just increasing the support that we have for women. So for women of all ages that might be watching this, if you are done with your childbearing, be a mentor to someone who's at the beginning of their childbearing years to celebrate the benefits of motherhood. And I agree with celebrating motherhood, I know is a tough journey from the sense of there's a lot of responsibility that goes along with it. But man, there are so many things that are accomplished and I think oftentimes those things are unsung. And so we need to really highlight those, especially this Mother's Day.

[Isabel]

Oh, it's beautiful. Sarah Gable.

[Host]

Where?

[Isabel]

Where can people learn more about this campaign and continue supporting everylife too? It always shocks me. Even people who've been following me for

[Host]

many, many years still have no idea

[Isabel]

why everylife is so important.

[Sarah Gable]

Yep. So go to rethinkpregnancy.com and you can find all of the incredible articles and videos that are highlighting topics that I think every woman needs to hear from again. How pregnancy is gonna benefit their body and the blessing that it is. Hearing from credible sources from the Applog community, but also hearing from everyday moms. We interviewed some incredible moms that bought the lie for so long and they really got honest and vulnerable about how they're so thankful that they didn't partner with the fear and they began to choose faith and what that did for their life. So just hearing from everyday moms, I think is going to bless so many people. So go to rethinkpregnancy.com to go get all of the information and more and then everylife.com is where we exist and you can get pro life premium diapers to your doorstep. And we just actually came out with a new feature and they're even softer now.

[Isabel]

So I know I have a box waiting on my front porch that I haven't got it.

[Sarah Gable]

They are cloud like I am so excited about. And that's who we are at EveryLife. We're never going to settle for good. We always want to be great and so we're going to continue to improve. And we're not even three years old, but we are growing so fast. And we're helping moms across the United States be able to not only get that product that they feel confident putting on their baby with the clean ingredients and the high performing pieces of our product, but also we're allowing them to shop their pro life, pro family values and be a part of something so much bigger than themselves. I think we talked a lot about isolation in this conversation and how so many moms kind of feel alone. I think that everylife community is showing moms that have the faith component and the convictions of life that they're not alone in their values now bringing an app log to show you. Now there's pro life obgyns who are with you. I mean we're just, we're broadening hope, I feel like across the United States by what we're doing and showing them that there's so many people out there that celebrate life, that celebrate God, that celebrate the gift of life. And join us, join us on that mission because it's an exciting one to be on. And I'm just so thankful that you've joined us from pretty much day one.

[Host]

We will keep fighting for every life forever.

[Isabel]

And what a beautiful message to share this Mother's Day. None other than your guys signature slogan

[Host]

to make more babies.

[Sarah Gable]

That's right.

[Host]

Keep supporting everylife you guys.

[Isabel]

And we're so excited for you to

[Host]

check out this campaign for Rethink Pregnancy. You can find the link for it here in the description of the video. Huge thanks again to our friends at EveryLife and their incredible campaign, Rethink Pregnancy. We'll make sure to link the campaign for you guys in the description of today's episode. Check it out. Share it with the people in your life. Especially if you have young women in your life who are teenagers or young adults. Maybe they're just starting to get into the world of dating or they met someone that they think they might want to marry someday. This information is going to dramatically change our culture. If we can get it out loud and proud. Don't forget you can always watch these episodes that are these long sit down interviews. Totally ad free if you are also a subscriber with us over on Daily Wire plus so we'd love to see you over there.

[Isabel]

And we've got all kinds of fun stuff cooking for our special subscriber only

[Host]

content from the heart of Washington D.C. coming to you very soon. Happy Mother's Day. God bless all of you who are embracing this beautiful vocation of motherhood. You are in our prayers and thank you for always supporting my family too.