The Isabel Brown Show

Episode: Saving Women’s Sports: The Fight to Protect Our Daughters Isn’t Over
Date: January 13, 2026
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Jennifer Sey (founder of xxxy)
Location: Supreme Court steps, Washington D.C.

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the ongoing legal and cultural battle to preserve women-only sports and spaces in the U.S., as the Supreme Court hears pivotal cases from West Virginia and Idaho. Host Isabel Brown reports live from Washington, D.C., joined by her daughter and a crowd of advocates, while also featuring an in-depth interview with Jennifer Sey, a leading voice in the fight for women’s sports. The discussion unpacks the legal complexities, cultural dimensions, and personal motivations that fuel this movement.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Legal Landscape: Supreme Court & State Laws

• [00:00 – 02:43]: Isabel introduces the Supreme Court cases from West Virginia and Idaho, which challenge the legality of excluding biological males from women’s sports. The ACLU advocates redefining "biological sex" based on testosterone, not chromosomes—a position Isabel criticizes.
• Jennifer Sey explains:
  • 27 states have laws restricting girls’ sports to women; 23 states and DC allow boys to compete in girls’ sports, claiming this upholds Title IX.
  • Title IX’s intent (1972): Equal opportunity for women/girls, particularly in sports.
  • The Supreme Court's ruling, expected in June, would likely solidify states’ rights to these laws but wouldn’t force uniformity nationwide.
• Quote:
  • "So the Supreme...we have an executive order which isn’t law. And then...think about how complicated the sports landscape is, because you’ve got NCAA, you’ve got private club, you’ve got professional...they all have different governing bodies." – Jennifer Sey [04:13]

2. Beyond the Courts: How Real Change Happens

• [05:12 – 06:44]: The conversation shifts to the future—federal law, a constitutional amendment, and the cultural battle.
• Jennifer Sey on strategy:
  • Need for both state and federal legislation.
  • Emphasizes that culture influences politics: changing minds and mainstreaming the belief that "boys can’t become girls" is key to legislative success.
• Quote:
  • "Politics is downstream from culture...sadly, we lost that cultural battle and we have to wrest it back with full force." – Sey [06:10]

3. The Courage to Speak Out: Professional Athletes & Fear of Backlash

• [07:35 – 09:15]:
  • Fewer than five active female professional athletes have publicly supported single-sex sports.
  • Those who do, like soccer player Elizabeth Eddy, face significant backlash from teammates.
• Quote:
  • "There are fewer than five currently competing professional athletes who have said anything...I don’t know how many thousands of professional female athletes there are. So we have work to do." – Sey [07:37]

4. Economic & Social Risks for Female Athletes

• [09:15 – 10:05]:
  • Female athletes depend on endorsements, which makes them reluctant to speak out.
  • Fear of being labeled as a bigot or risk losing opportunities.
• Quote:
  • "Most female professional athletes don’t make that much money...They’re afraid they’re going to lose all their other endorsements." – Sey [09:16]

5. Everyday Moms & Cultural Silence

• [10:16 – 13:40]:
  • Despite apparent consensus, saying "boys are stronger and faster" or "girls deserve their own sports" is still controversial in many communities.
  • Most people agree but fear social repercussions.
  • Moms, in particular, are described as “cowardice” for fearing social exclusion more than defending their own children.
• Quote:
  • “The message our daughters are being sent is, be quiet. Let him win. So that has repercussions well beyond sport...” – Sey [20:54]

6. Historical & Psychological Context

• [13:53 – 14:51]:
  • Sey reflects that prioritizing the group and conforming to pressure over family interests is not new, citing communism and general human herd mentality.

7. Parallels with Abuse in Women’s Sports

• [17:24 – 20:54]:
  • Sey draws parallels between the cover-up of abuse in gymnastics (e.g., Larry Nassar scandal) and current issues in women's sports, both involving women’s interests being “sold down the river” for the sake of men’s reputations or feelings.
• Quote:
  • "If we have to ruin girls for them to be able to get on that Olympic team, it’s not worth it." – Sey [18:34]
  • "We are protecting the feelings, reputations of men, and women selling young girls down the river. That’s the commonality. It’s got a new face because the guy’s wearing a dress and says he’s a woman. It’s the same thing." – Sey [19:41]

8. Concrete Actions: Community Advocacy & Ballot Initiatives

• [20:54 – 25:06]:
  • Sey encourages women to stop being quiet, have factual conversations, attend school board meetings, and organize ballot initiatives.
  • Details her current campaign in Colorado to secure 120,000 signatures for a ballot initiative protecting girls’ sports.
  • Collaboration with churches and grassroots organizing is critical.
• Quote:
  • "What we do is you just have to stop being quiet...those conversations on the ground with your neighbor...they matter." – Sey [21:03]

9. National Movement & Brand Building

• [25:44 – 26:26]:
  • xxxy is positioned as a business offering alternative sports apparel for those who want to support women’s rights in athletics.
  • Plans for product expansion and a visible presence at the Supreme Court rally and the Olympics.

10. Olympics & the IOC: The Next Front

• [26:26 – 26:55]:
  • Sey calls for sex testing (simple cheek swabs) as the only reliable way to enforce women’s categories in international sport; IDs alone are insufficient.

11. A Call for Courage—What to Say

• [27:12 – 27:35]:
  • Final message to athletes and listeners: "Just say it. Men can’t be women. Women deserve their own sports and spaces. It’s that simple."
• Quote:
  • "Just say it. Men can’t be women. Women deserve their own sports and spaces...You’ll be able to look yourself in the mirror." – Sey [27:23]

12. Closing Observations & On-the-Ground Atmosphere

• [28:00 – 28:58]:
  • Isabel closes with a report on the charged atmosphere outside the Supreme Court, mentioning dueling rallies and continued determination to protect women’s sports.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Most people agree with us, left, right and center, but they’re too scared to say it out loud." – Jennifer Sey [06:13]
• "There are fewer than five currently competing professional athletes who have said anything..." – Sey [07:38]
• "Our daughters need us to fight for them now more than ever." – Isabel Brown [11:41]
• "You would think we would have to work so hard to codify biology and material reality into law... It’s so dumb, insane that we have." – Sey [05:37]
• "If we have to ruin girls for them to be able to get on that Olympic team, it’s not worth it." – Sey [18:34]
• "The message our daughters are being sent is, be quiet. Let him win. So that has repercussions well beyond sport..." – Sey [20:54]
• "Just say it. Men can’t be women. Women deserve their own sports and spaces. It’s that simple. I know it’s scary. Most people agree with you. Do it anyway. You’ll be able to look yourself in the mirror." – Sey [27:23]

Key Timestamps

• Supreme Court Cases Introduced & Scene Setting – [00:00 – 01:59]
• Legal/Election Landscape, Why It’s Complicated – [02:43 – 06:05]
• Culture Leading Politics, Changing the Conversation – [06:05 – 07:35]
• Athletes’ Reluctance to Speak Out – [07:35 – 09:15]
• Economic/Social Pressures on Athletes – [09:15 – 10:05]
• Motherhood, Social Pressure, and Silence – [10:16 – 13:40]
• Herd Mentality & Human Nature – [13:53 – 14:51]
• Parallels with Gymnastics Abuse Scandal – [17:24 – 20:54]
• Advice for Parents & Community Action – [20:54 – 22:43]
• Ballot Initiative Mechanics & Grassroots Work – [22:43 – 24:31]
• Broader Movement, Olympic Pressure, and Brand Strategy – [25:44 – 26:55]
• Final Message to Athletes & Supporters – [27:12 – 27:35]
• Live Rally Atmosphere & Outro – [28:00 – 28:58]

Episode Tone & Language

• Passionate, urgent, and forthright.
• Frequent appeals to common sense, maternal instinct, and shared values.
• Candid about fear, opposition, and the uphill nature of the fight.

This summary covers all major themes and memorable exchanges from the episode, equipping those who missed it with a solid understanding of the legal, cultural, and personal stakes in the ongoing battle to "save women’s sports."