Should Women’s Magazines Be Giving S*x Advice?

Summary

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The Isabel Brown Show

Episode: Should Women’s Magazines Be Giving S*x Advice?
Date: March 27, 2026
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Brittany Hugo (Founder, EV Magazine)

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the controversial release of EV Magazine’s “sex issue,” specifically designed to give marital and intimacy advice to married and Christian women—an area often neglected in both secular and religious mainstream media. Host Isabel Brown and guest Brittany Hugo explore why this conversation matters, how the discourse on sex and intimacy has evolved, and why there’s a dire need to offer honest, practical, and positive sexual advice rooted in virtue and tradition.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Changing Dating & Marriage Culture

• Changing attitudes: Brittany notes that today’s young men are less likely to approach women, leading to fewer dating opportunities even for attractive women ([00:54], [42:51]).
  • “Men are very uncomfortable talking to women...the young women I know are like, 22, never been asked on a date, and they're beautiful...” — Brittany ([00:54], [42:51])
• Perceived relationship risks: The prevalence of online stories about infidelity and only fans can lead men to question the value of marriage ([00:54], [43:01]).

2. The Genesis and Mission of EV Magazine

• Response to progressive media: Brittany founded EV Magazine (2019) as a reaction to what she saw as man-hating and anti-traditional narratives in mainstream women’s publications ([02:50]).
  • “They were able to make bad things look aesthetically beautiful...there was really nobody making virtue and like positive things like marriage and kids...look aesthetically pleasing.” — Brittany ([02:50])
• Aesthetics & virtue: Focused on making virtue, natural beauty, and healthy living appealing and accessible ([05:17]).

3. Launching the Controversial Sex Issue

• Why a sex issue? Traditionally, conservative and Christian spaces avoided open sex talk, leaving young married women without resources ([06:30]).
  • "For years, you either had...hook up with whoever, it's super empowering, and then you had...the right side, where they're like, oh, don't talk about sex unless it's trauma." — Brittany ([06:57])
• Cultural ground conceded: Isabel argues that the right has largely ceded sexual discourse to the left, resulting in a vacuum filled by secular advice ([10:41], [12:15]).
  • “Sex is really only presented to Gen Z women right now as something empowering if you are part of this sexual liberation movement...” — Isabel ([10:41])

4. Content and Intent of the Sex Issue

• Intended audience: Married women seeking practical, positive intimacy advice—often explicit but designed as a bachelorette or pre-wedding gift ([14:36], [39:04]).
• Context and boundaries: Contrasts EV’s approach with mainstream advice, i.e., not encouraging infidelity or promiscuity but emphasizing flourishing marital intimacy ([12:32], [14:36]).
  • “It's very explicit advice...it's for the girls, it's not for the guys.” — Brittany ([39:04])

5. Cultural and Religious Tensions

• Church messaging: Both note that the church often presents sex as inherently “bad” before marriage, with little transition to “good” afterwards. This can make sexual intimacy difficult for newlywed women ([17:13], [14:36]).
  • “I spent my whole life thinking that sex was bad, and then immediately I get married and I have to think it's the best thing ever, and I can't psychologically switch.” — Brittany ([14:36])
• American vs. European attitudes: Suggestion that American prudishness stems from Puritan roots, while in Catholic Europe sex and beauty are more openly celebrated ([20:21]).

6. Trends in Young People and Tradition

• Resurgence of Catholicism and Tradition: Young people are increasingly drawn to traditional liturgies and values, craving authenticity and roots ([23:07], [23:18]).
  • “There's this huge resurgence of Catholicism in New York...Gen Z really wants a tradition.” — Brittany ([23:18])

7. Modern Paradoxes in Sexual Behavior

• Paradox: Despite hyper-liberal sexual norms, Gen Z has less sex than prior generations ([28:54]).
• Analysis: Brittany likens this to "too many options"—when everything is permissible, it becomes uninteresting or paralyzing ([29:25]).
  • “Without any sort of rules, you almost don't want to do anything...it's like there's this illusion of options...” — Brittany ([29:25])

8. Intimacy, Marriage, and Relationship Challenges

• Women’s expectations: Many women want to be adored; Britney references pop culture ('Twilight', 'Fifty Shades') showing the desire for commitment and idealization ([30:98]).
• ‘Sexless marriage’ epidemic: Increasingly common, often rooted in lack of information or negative conditioning about sex ([46:13]).
  • “I didn't realize that only 18% of women have...which is very low...Maybe they never learned how to [enjoy sex]...” — Brittany ([46:41])

9. Online Backlash and Cultural Criticism

• Cover controversy: The sex issue cover—a model in bridal lingerie—drew criticism from conservatives, even though its styling was tame compared to beach attire or mainstream fashion ([36:43], [36:58]).
  • “When you go to the beach...you're gonna see more skin than that.” — Brittany ([36:56])
• Conflation of sex and obscenity: The online right often labels anything remotely sexual as "pornographic," even milkmaid dresses and modest imagery. Brittany laments the loss of nuance ([37:32], [38:37]).
  • “If everything is [porn], then nothing is...they've lost the plot.” — Brittany ([38:37])

10. Advice and Hope for Listeners

• Gratitude in marriage: Brittany’s “big sister” advice: Start each day by writing down five things you’re grateful for, especially about your husband/kids. Attitude of gratitude as the source of happiness ([51:05]).
  • “Wake up every morning and write five things you're grateful for. And always include, like, your husband and your kids....When you start the day grateful, your entire day is amazing.” — Brittany ([50:14])
• Encouragement for singles: Both stress that there’s never been a better time to “shoot your shot,” as so few people try to connect in person ([44:17]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:50] Brittany: “They were able to make bad things look aesthetically beautiful...there was really nobody making virtue...look aesthetically pleasing.”
• [06:57] Brittany: “You're not allowed to talk about sex unless it's sexual trauma.”
• [10:41] Isabel: “We've ceded all of the ground to the left on this issue...the advice just isn’t out there for girls that don’t have a big sister...”
• [14:36] Brittany: “I spent my whole life thinking that sex was bad, and then immediately I get married and I have to think it’s the best thing ever, and I can’t psychologically switch.”
• [20:21] Brittany: “When you go to Italy...they’re just more comfortable with [beauty and nudity]. But...we were formed more in a Puritan...way.”
• [23:18] Brittany: “There's this huge resurgence of Catholicism in New York. Gen Z really wants a tradition.”
• [29:25] Brittany: “Without any sort of rules, you almost don't want to do anything because...it's like there's this illusion of options...”
• [36:56] Brittany: “When you go to the beach...you’re gonna see more skin than that.”
• [38:37] Brittany: “If everything is [porn], then nothing is.”
• [46:41] Brittany: “Only 18% of women have...which is very low...maybe they never learned how to [enjoy sex].”
• [50:14] Brittany: “Wake up every morning and write five things you're grateful for. And always include...your husband and your kids.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• EV Magazine & Founding Philosophy: [02:50]
• Why a Sex Issue? [06:30]
• Cultural Vacuum on Sex & Marriage: [10:41]
• Transition from 'Sex is Bad' to 'Sex is Good': [14:36], [17:13]
• Catholic & Protestant Comparisons, Tradition: [23:07], [23:18], [28:01]
• Gen Z and the Paradox of Less Sex: [28:54], [29:25]
• Romantic Idealism & Pop Culture: [30:58]
• Cover Controversy & Online Outrage: [36:43], [36:58]
• Advice for Overcoming Sexless Marriages: [46:13]
• Gratitude and Marital Success: [50:14], [51:05]
• Final Advice for Listeners: [49:25], [51:38]

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Episode Summary

The episode offers a bold, honest, and often humorous take on why open, positive sexual advice—especially grounded in faith and tradition—is needed in women’s media. Isabel and Brittany agree that the church and conservative spaces have failed in providing comprehensive guidance on intimacy, ceding ground and conversation to secular, often toxic, outlets. The release of the sex issue of EV Magazine is positioned as a step toward reclaiming healthy, beautiful, and virtuous approaches to sex within marriage. The conversation is sprinkled with practical advice, cultural critique, and optimistic encouragement for both singles and married listeners.

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For more:

• Visit evprint.com for the EV Magazine sex issue and past editions.
• Episode especially recommended for married women, brides-to-be, or anyone seeking bolder, healthier marriage advice.

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Transcript

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[Brittany Hugo]

in the past, men would just, like, go talk to different women and see, like, which one they could get. But now I think men are very, like, uncomfortable talking to women. And then all those stories that trend are like, the only fans or like, women, you know, cheating or whatever. And that's like the story that's always trending online. So then men are like, oh, well, what's the point of marriage? And then the young women I know are like, 22, never been asked on a date, and they're beautiful and they're like, a guy's never asked me on a date. I'm a very optimistic person, and there's really never been a better time to be in the top 10% of guys or women. And it's never been a better time to shoot your shot because nobody else is.

[Isabel Brown]

A few weeks ago, you guys responded

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

quite interestingly to a very controversial new

[Isabel Brown]

issue of EV Magazine, the sex issue that has people's heads exploding all over the Internet about what's appropriate to give intimacy advice for. For married and even married Christian women. A ton of you said you're never supposed to talk about this ever.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

How dare you even remotely bring this

[Isabel Brown]

into the public square. But I think this is a wildly important convers conversation Virtually no one is having out there to tell young married families you should enjoy having sex with your spouse. Take it from an old married lady, okay?

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

It is wildly important.

[Isabel Brown]

Brittany Hugo Boom, the founder of EV Magazine, is joining us today on the Isabel Brown show to talk about why this issue is coming out and what was the driving force behind it. Can't wait for you guys to hear what she has to say.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Brittany I Am so excited to have you on set with us today to talk about some pretty controversial news coming

[Isabel Brown]

out of EV magazine because. But something I think is so desperately needed in our culture, and that is

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

your guys up and coming sex issue of the magazine.

[Isabel Brown]

But you and I have been friends for a long time.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

So before we get into the sex

[Isabel Brown]

issue, can you tell us what inspired you to start Evie magazine in the first place?

[Brittany Hugo]

Oh, my gosh. So I started Yvie. I mean, you probably know, you probably were like an OG reader. But we started back in 2019 and I was living in Los Angeles at the time. And during that time there was like, it was a super progressive kind of radical. You had like Refinery 29 and Jezebel. And it was very like man hating, but also like hating women's nature in general. It became kind of this fourth wave feminism thing. And it's funny now when I talk to journalists, they tell me they're like, oh, I'm a second wave feminist, or I'm a third wave feminist. And these are all mainstream publications. And I think it's like, very fascinating. But at the time there was just no. I think that they were able to make bad things look aesthetically beautiful. And there was really nobody making virtue and like positive things like marriage and kids and anything look aesthetically pleasing. And now you have like, obviously Ballerina Farm and Nobela and even Justin and Hailey Bieber. And you have all these like good examples of it looking appealing to be married. But at the time there really wasn't. So we wanted to come in and do that. And we kind of had this. Cause we lived in la. A lot of my friends were like the girls who would shop at Erewhon and they wouldn't drink out of plastic cause of microplastics. And they were very like, they loved God, but they were like, I don't know, it was just like a. This type of girl that just wasn't catered to at all. It was very maha before it was a thing.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

So we were like, very maha?

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, it was like kind of the. The crunchy liberal, the Bernie girls, right? Like, they were just. They just didn't want to be part of the system. And I think, like, in the past, like, unfortunately, when I've talked to like the mainstream media, they thought Republicans were very like, uncool or like puritan or whatever. And then obviously with the election in 2016, the winner is like this New York Democrat with a supermodel wife who lives in a golden palace. So it's like nobody was wearing Hats for George Bush, you know, like, so I think that making good things look appealing and sexy and mainstream is just an objective good because then everyone wants to be like that, you know?

[Isabel Brown]

Amen. Oh, my gosh. And I have loved every edition that you guys have put out.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

I've written a few articles back in the day, I sure do, for EV Magazine.

[Isabel Brown]

And it's true you guys were covering MAHA way before it was a movement, but just generally, like putting your health first and being more natural and organic and leaning into your natural beauty, all of those things were so important. Reviving the importance of relationships, actual legitimate fashion and not the androgynous brown paper bags we often see at New York

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Fashion Week these days.

[Isabel Brown]

There's a sense of reviving beauty, and I've always really appreciated that about you and your family's mission, because beauty does matter, objectively speaking, in such a way.

[Brittany Hugo]

I think one of our first articles was the War on Beauty back in 2019. And it is like there was kind of this war on beauty, which now sounds weird to say in 2026 because everyone's kind of reverted to kind of what Evie's been doing. But at the time, you just never really saw that. Like it was very like, obesity is healthy on the COVID of Cosmo and all these things that journalists agreed with me with in person. But then, you know, they had to write that I was extreme or whatever. So I'm like, guys, like, it was interesting living in LA and knowing that these journalists were skinny and drinking their green juices and going to Barry's boot camp at 5am and then they would go write about how amazing it is, like body positive to be huge. And I'm like, okay, let's at least give people honest advice. So that was like one of the main things why we started Yvie.

[Isabel Brown]

Well, you're getting a little bit of backlash now all over again.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Not from the typical crowd that we often expect from hating on the more

[Isabel Brown]

trad conservative or even the controversy of

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

your guys beautiful milkmaid dresses that you

[Isabel Brown]

made a few years ago. Now there's a whole lot of people on the right that are upset with EV magazine for introducing this idea of the sex issue of the magazine. I covered this a little bit on my show already. But for those who may not understand why you guys decided to launch this and the statement that you put out on social media, what was the impetus behind wanting to put out a sex advice and intimacy advice magazine for Christian married women?

[Brittany Hugo]

You know, there is this really great girl on substack and she probably shouldn't even know that I read her. She's a liberal, and my friend sent me the piece, and she really understands what we're doing in a way that I feel like the right sometimes does not. Because in the beginning, we were the first to talk about the hormone hormonal birth control pill, which was at the time when I lived in la. My friends trained the Victoria's Secret girls, and they were all getting off the pill. So all the liberal girls were getting off the pill. So we start writing about it. We talk to Dr. Darling Bright and all these doctors, and it was a liberal thing. But because Evie wrote about it, it's conservative. And then because we launched the sundress, the Washington Post did a cover. Is a sundress political? And it's like, I feel like they just take Pilates. We love now. Pilates is, like, an extremist thing to do. So I feel like they just take whatever Evie says and, like, turn it into a political thing. And I think it kind of makes the liberals also mad because they're like, what's going on? But when it comes to sex, for years, you either had, like, the, you know, hook up with whoever. It's super empowering. And then you had, like, the right side, where they're like, oh, don't talk about sex unless it's trauma. Like, this was actually told to me by someone who is big on the right. They're like, you're not allowed to talk about sex unless it's sexual trauma.

[Isabel Brown]

Someone actually told me one of the big.

[Brittany Hugo]

I'm not gonna say which magazine, but it was a big conservative magazine that's been around for, like, 30 years, but no one really knows about it. But they're like, you can't talk about it. And it's like, okay, marriage. Back in the day, men wanted to get married probably because they wanted to have sex, and they're also in love, and you couldn't get that access unless you were married. So when the left took over and, you know, have sex with whoever, it's casual, all these things, then it's like, well, what's. How. How do you. Like, what's the point of getting married, aside from, like, loving someone? But the more you have sex with different people, the harder it is to, like, form a bond. So it's like, why did the right give up one of the most appealing parts of marriage to the left? And then it's like, you have the right, and it's like, oh, well, don't talk about it. Don't say Anything. And it's like, you know, it's great. Like if you're in a bad mood and you're married and you have sex, like, I don't want to talk about it so much even. But it's like there was really nowhere for these women to go. But it's, it makes your kids happy to see your parents in love. Like, that's so important. It makes your stress lower. It's just so good for you. And it's like they. It's all about the context, in my opinion. Like, it's obviously a good thing to have sex, hence why it, like, was created. But it's been turned into like this bad, dangerous, like, taboo thing you can't do unless you do it with random people. I don't know. It's just such a bizarre take.

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[Isabel Brown]

This dichotomy and cult so jarring, I think. And it's difficult for the right to figure out how to talk about this because we have ceded all of the ground to the left on this issue. Sex is really only presented to Gen Z women right now as something empowering. If you are part of this sexual liberation movement, you're sleeping with as many people as possible. You're sleeping with multiple partners at the exact same time. You're meeting people from A dating app, and you meet them that night and you end up having sex that night. Then you use abortion as a form of birth control. And that's how you are an empowered, liberated woman on par with or equal to men in 2026. And yet that's not where our culture is at, because young women overwhelmingly want to get married. They want this traditional structure. They're deleting their dating apps and Moss right now. They're desperate for a long term sense of connection. And yet the advice just isn't out there for girls that don't have a big sister or a best friend to talk to about some of this stuff. I just find even in my spheres of influence with my friends and my extended family, people don't talk about sex with their friends anymore. It's not something that you say, hey, this is something that I'm going through with my husband. And what do you guys think? Or do you have any advice for my wedding night or any of these things? So everybody is turning to the cosmos or the vogues of the world, telling you to cheat on your boyfriend or your husband, to use things around the house as sex toys. That was a recent Cosmopolitan article to as much as possible. I mean, things that are very taboo to say, but also aren't now because everything is everything.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Like, there is no actual standard for intimacy anymore.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, no, you're spot on. You took the words out of my mouth.

[Isabel Brown]

So Yvie is trying to do something a little bit different about it. And this is what I so appreciate about the sex issue. You guys are trying to give specific intimacy advice for married women.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yes.

[Isabel Brown]

What does that mean exactly?

[Brittany Hugo]

So in the past, I feel like you either had Cosmo right, where it's like, cheat on your spouse without getting caught. You know, it's. It's very. Like, we probably make up stories, like, in all honesty, like, it's just very, like, out there. It's kind of like what the mainstream is doing right now with polygamy. It's like, does anyone really want to be polygamous? Like, you know, but I feel like they just like, like to do that stuff. But it's like, I think I lost my train of thought.

[Isabel Brown]

No, actually, while you're saying that this is so important, I literally was sent from our PR team here yesterday a new Pew Research poll that just came out about things Americans view as morally acceptable or morally unacceptable. And most things that are not great for society are considered acceptable, except cheating on your spouse. Overwhelmingly, people still think that is a morally bad thing to do. Is Immoral.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

And yet every headline out there is, cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat.

[Isabel Brown]

Cheat on your husband, cheat on your boyfriend, cheat on your wife, sleep with as many people as possible, have an open marriage, do this polygamy or polyamory thing. It's crazy to me that that's presented as normal.

[Brittany Hugo]

I think. I think it's because it's so, like, clickbaity. Like, people are like, that's crazy. And they just, like, click on it. But it's like, it. It is like a problem with guys in their early 20s. So a lot of them don't want to get married. And a lot of them are like, oh, my friend's girlfriend cheated on me. Like, there's like, a huge cheating problem. I don't know what. What it is in the early 20s where it's like, men don't want to commit because they're afraid of being cheated on.

[Isabel Brown]

Interesting.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, it's like, very.

[Isabel Brown]

So you think this is more a problem of women cheating on men than the other?

[Brittany Hugo]

I don't think so necessarily. I think maybe it's getting closer. In the early 20s, I think probably men did more overall. I don't know the stats. I mean, it's wrong no matter who does it, but, yeah, it's just interesting. It's not something I don't think the millennials really thought about a lot, but it seems to be more of a problem with the younger Gen Z.

[Isabel Brown]

So that is a huge component of the intimacy advice that is out there, is just don't lock yourself down in a committed monogamous relationship. Obviously, you're trying to counter that through this marital issue of the sex issue. But what else is out there in terms of advice for married women that you guys are trying to tackle?

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, there's really nothing. And we get so many texts and, like, emails and girls that were like, I'm struggling with, like, vaginismus, for example, and they're like, I don't really know where to go. And I spent my whole life thinking that sex was bad, and then immediately I get married and I have to think it's the best thing ever, and I can't psychologically switch. So then they, like, don't enjoy it and they're uncomfortable doing it, and they don't really know where to go or who to turn to. So it's really like the ultimate sex book. It definitely is not for everyone. It is explicit in how tos, but I think that it's great. It'll be a great gift to give to people on their bachelorette before they get married.

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[Isabel Brown]

I hadn't even thought about that. And it is interesting to hear this idea that we're presenting a sexual encounter as an always bad. Like a black and white. It is bad and then all of a sudden it is good. When you articulated so beautifully a few minutes ago that sex is a gift from God, it was created on purpose for a reason. And I had heard one teacher growing up in Catholic high school talk about this. That was pretty much it in our morality class. It was a mandated theology class that we took in high school. And he said ultimately no one will ever tell you this in culture, but having sex with your spouse is supposed to be the closest physical sensation we have to what it's like to be in heaven. Yes, I was gonna I never thought about that before and that totally changed my perspective when I was like 15 years old and we were talking about this.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Why do you think the church isn't

[Isabel Brown]

presenting it that way to young people, especially young Christians?

[Brittany Hugo]

It's a good idea. I think they've like, I don't their the strategy is just really bad. It's Kind of like with the pill. People are like, oh, the church has talked about for decades, but it's like, it's kind of irrelevant because nothing happened. And I remember when I was, like, 14 or 15, you hear like, oh, sex is bad. Blah, blah, blah. But then Adriana Lima was like, I'm waiting till marriage because if a man doesn't wait for me, he doesn't want me. And, like, to see someone who's so powerful and beautiful and can have any man in the world. And she's like, I'm not gonna do it. Like, I was like, wait, what? Maybe, like, that's, like, inspiring instead of just like, don't do it. It's bad. It's bad. And it's almost why. Unfortunately, I have a lot of friends who are priests in a lot of the more traditional circles. Point. Such a huge issue. And I saw this really great thread from Gif Lafta, and he was talking about how Christian men can have a harder time quitting because they're just told that their nature as men is evil. Like, lust is bad, obviously. So the male sex drive is bad in general. And then when you look at guys who, I want to say are more like, they like Christianity, but maybe they're not fully into it, but they're more logical. Then they're like, oh, like, alcohol is bad objectively because of this. Porn is bad objectively because of this. So I don't watch it. But they're able to look at it more from a health issue type of thing versus, like, this is bad, your nature is bad, et cetera.

[Isabel Brown]

Your nature is bad.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, I feel like the church kind of treats men as defunct women, and I feel like women were kind of treated as defunct men with fourth wave feminism.

[Isabel Brown]

Oh, what do you mean by that? Explain that.

[Brittany Hugo]

I feel like women were told that their gifts as women like being. Being beautiful, charming, et cetera, which is like a beautiful, powerful thing, is weak compared to, like, your intellect. Like, they're like, oh, if you have a high IQ or whatever, you're smarter. But then the fall happened because the woman wanted knowledge, you know? So it's. It's almost like this weird thing. I'm doing a whole thesis on it to try to get into it, but it's. You're almost told everything that makes you a woman makes you weak. So dress more like a man, act more like a man in order to get succeed. And that was in the 2010s, and men in churches are often told like, oh, anything male is, like, bad. So then be More kind of like women.

[Isabel Brown]

Like a toxically masculine thing.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, it's like masculinity is toxic. And it's like they focus more on kind of men issues and, like, sins.

[Isabel Brown]

Overall, what a powerful perspective when you really consider the fact that we are created in the divine image of God. Our nature was given to us for a reason, on purpose. And to bring this back to the sex and intimacy conversation. The longer I've been married, and I know I'm still pretty new at this, so I'm still learning on the job, the more I've realized that even the marital act of intimacy itself is supposed to reflect our nature as men and women. Men give, women receive. And what women receive, they will multiply. They will create something out of. As we create babies and bring new life into the world. Why do you think we're not quite as explicit in our conversation about that? And we instead just never address the physicality aspect of how God created us?

[Brittany Hugo]

I don't know. And it's very interesting. I think it's more of an Americanized idea because when you go to Italy or other countries that I guess are more Catholic, it is like, you see, like, beauty and nudity. Like, they're just more comfortable with it. But because we were formed more in a Puritan, kind of Quaker way, it's a little bit more. You're either one extreme or the other. And I feel like that's not good for society overall to either be like, oh, everything is bad. You know, all this stuff. And then to be like, oh, it's empowering to sleep with everyone in the world. Like, there's just not really a normal middle ground.

[Isabel Brown]

I'd never considered that with the different denominational roots of our country. But that is a fascinating concept. The old joke is that a good Catholic family has, like, eight kids, and

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

you get pregnant right away after you get married. I'll tell a good story about that.

[Isabel Brown]

When my husband and I found out we were having our baby originally, we had planned on trying to be, like, married for about a year, and then we would start having babies.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

But we would be open to if a baby came before then. And two months exactly to the day of our wedding, I peed on the

[Isabel Brown]

stick and I found out I was having a baby. And I was in complete shock, genuinely. My cycle had been all over the place because I'd been dealing with some health issues. So I did not think that was physically possible at the time. And I didn't know how to tell my husband, and he was so overjoyed. Obviously. But also in complete shock.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Like the cute little videos that you see of finally. Oh, my gosh, that was nice. Not our experience finding out that we

[Brittany Hugo]

were even very fertile.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Oh, yeah, it is good. I somehow also had, like, totally convinced myself that I was gonna have a really hard time getting pregnant for some reason. And a lot of my friends have this same mentality.

[Isabel Brown]

I think it's because so many of our loved ones, our sisters, our cousins, our friends, are really going through a hard time.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

And so you just assume it's gonna take me years and years and years to get pregnant. Did not happen. So fair warning, it can happen pretty quickly.

[Isabel Brown]

But we sat there, and my husband

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

is, like, exploding at the seams trying to process this information, and he's like, we have to tell somebody. We have to tell somebody. I cannot keep it in.

[Isabel Brown]

And I'm looking at him saying, babe, lock it up.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

You gotta wait at least a couple months.

[Brittany Hugo]

Please.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

I gotta try to wrap my head around this. And he begged and begged and begged

[Isabel Brown]

for a few hours and said, can I just. Can I call Mitchell? Mitchell and Savannah are our best friends.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Aww. And I said, yeah, okay, we can tell Savannah and Mitchell. They're not gonna tell anybody. So we FaceTimed them, and we held up the stick, and everybody was so excited.

[Isabel Brown]

And we said, I'm not gonna lie, guys. We're kind of having a hard time wrapping our heads around this.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

And Mitchell said, guys, what are you talking about? There's no reason to be nervous about this. There's a name for this. Getting pregnant two months after your wedding. And we said, what? And he said, catholic. It's fine. And we all instantly started cracking up. It broke all the tension, and it was fine. Completely. After that, there was no freaking out anymore.

[Isabel Brown]

This is what God was calling us to.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

So the old joke is that Catholics

[Isabel Brown]

get married right away. They have a bunch of babies all the time.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

If you see a family with 10 kids in the pew and they all look the same, that's the Catholic way of life.

[Isabel Brown]

So I do think there is an interesting element with young people embracing Catholicism at an unprecedented rate right now, how that might change how we look at intimacy. What do you think about that?

[Brittany Hugo]

I think it's huge. I mean, in New York City, like, when in the 2010s, like, I was always going to a lot of Mass. I got married in a lot of mass by an exorcist. So I was like, OG before, everyone

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

liked very OG Trad Cat. We love it.

[Brittany Hugo]

Very TradCap. But we were introducing you know, the lot of Mass, like people in Hollywood. And then in the late 2010s, like 2020, there became a big scene in New York where everyone started going, the lot of masks. And now like the churches in New York are just swarmed and they're beautiful. Like, you have like holy innocence. You have Old St. Patrick's Cathedral. A lot of the young people go, and that one's more traditional. And then you also have the one on the Upper west side, which is more Broadway singers and stuff. But it's always like a thousand people too. And it's like there's this huge resurgence of Catholicism in New York. And I think that I saw a joke once saying Catholics and Mormons have some of the best aesthetics. And I'm like, I kind of, I kind of see that when it comes to religion in some ways where it's like when you go to Italy, like everyone's like an Alessandra rich and they're dressed to the nines and they're in a beautiful dress and they're just like effortlessly. I don't know, they're just like effortlessly beautiful. They like go to mass and the churches are gorgeous and inspiring and it's like, I want to go to a church that inspires me. I want to go somewhere beautiful. And in other states, more kind of like on the west coast of middle America, when I would go to church, it just felt very. I know it's like the Eucharist no matter what, but it just felt like very. Like a school auditorium. Yeah, yeah. And so then there weren't a lot of Catholics in some states where I lived at, because it's like, how, how could there be? And then you, you see these smart guys even in SF and stuff, and they're kind of like turning towards it because I think Gen Z really wants a tradition.

[Isabel Brown]

They do.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah. Like, I don't know if I want, if I want to learn about another religion or whatever, I'd want to be in the most traditional, authentic part. And sometimes with various churches, they're different depending on where you are, you know.

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[Isabel Brown]

I also find it interesting that as I'm talking with more of my friends who didn't get married in the Catholic Church, they had a Christian wedding, but it was officiated by a pastor or outside or not centered around a traditional liturgy. They didn't have to make the same vow and same promise that I had to make to my husband. And insisting that matrimony as a sacrament means you are open to children, you are trying to bring children into the world. That is something that we have to promise in a Catholic marriage that we are open to life and we will raise our children in the church that's part of the Catholic marriage tradition. And you do you stand up there

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

in front of God and everybody that

[Isabel Brown]

you love promising that that's something you're going to engage in. And I don't hear that as a traditional part of more Protestant oriented Christian weddings. And I wonder how much that impacts the intimacy experiences that you have with your spouse. Because I know plenty of my very traditional, very politically conservative Christian friends that are not Catholic who are on the birth control pill or they're not doing natural family planning and tracking their cycles and understanding this is when I'm fertile and they're having a much more difficult time with the marital union than I often hear from a lot of my friends in the church, because we know exactly what sex is supposed to be about. It is a about bonding you with your spouse, but it's also is something you promised to do, which is to try to create new life and bring children into the world. What's your take on that?

[Brittany Hugo]

I will give the Protestants a prop for something. Obviously, I'm Catholic, but I do like that the Proverbs 31 wife is like, such, like this Protestant girl thing.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

It is, yeah.

[Brittany Hugo]

But I love it because I feel like it's like, it inspires them to be better. And I feel like sometimes in the church, at least, you know, 10, 15 years ago, maybe not as much now, you were just told, like, everything is bad. Yeah. But like, to be like, oh, I want to be more like this Proverbs 31 woman, I think is a good thing.

[Isabel Brown]

It is beautiful.

[Brittany Hugo]

And then obviously to Mary, of course, I know she's like the epitome of a woman in many ways, but her perfect humility versus, like, you know, the fallen angels, perfect pride. And then she's the one who he fears the most, which is very interesting that shipped. But I know Catholics do respect her a lot, which is amazing.

[Isabel Brown]

I'm curious to get your take on this idea that anything goes with sex today. There are no rules, culturally at least. From a secular perspective, anybody can do anything. And yet also, Gen Z is having statistically extremely low rates of sex. Teenage sex is at the lowest rate it's ever been in modern history. Premarital sex in general is just not very common right now, which is shocking, I think, for most people to hear, because everybody assumes, well, if you can just do anything, why isn't everybody doing anything?

[Brittany Hugo]

Right.

[Isabel Brown]

What do you think about that?

[Brittany Hugo]

I think without any sort of rules, like, you almost don't want to do anything because there's just so, like, it's kind of like when you used to go to Blockbuster and then you'd be like, oh, I want to watch this movie. And you had like, a limited option. And now it's like you turn on the TV and you're like, there's so many options. I'm just gonna turn it off because I don't know what to watch. And I kind of feel like that right now with social media, it's like there's this illusion of options where people feel like they have unlimited options. And I've talked to people in real life who do feel like this because the Average woman gets 800 swipes a month on a dating app. And then the average. Yes, that's just the average woman.

[Isabel Brown]

What?

[Brittany Hugo]

Yes.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Okay, this is crazy.

[Brittany Hugo]

I've never been on a dating app.

[Isabel Brown]

I haven't either.

[Brittany Hugo]

Wow. And then the average man sees more beautiful women in his lifetime than Kings ever did 200 years ago just by scrolling Instagram for 10 minutes. So it's like a lot of them think that they have an illusion of options, and then a lot of women are like, oh, if it doesn't work out with this guy, I have 799 more guys who will take me out. But getting a guy to find you attractive or want to sleep with you isn't really a tough thing to do. It's not really anything. But getting a guy who you're his everything, and he falls in love with you and he adores you, that's like, actually requires you to become more virtuous. And I think that's what every woman wants. Like, if you look in the past couple decades, like some of the highest selling books, I always say this were like Twilight and Fifty Shades, which is like, you know, the. How do you say it? Where it's like a reiteration of. It's like a Twilight, but like a appropriate one. Yeah.

[Isabel Brown]

I'm having a mom brain moment.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

I don't know what the word gosh,

[Brittany Hugo]

mom brain kills you. But the man in Twilight, he could kill Bella, but he will not do it.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

He could kill.

[Brittany Hugo]

Fights everyone in his path in order to be with her. He's obsessed with her, and she's like his everything. And also with 50 Shades, like, he dominates her and stuff, but he, like, doesn't look at other women. She's like his everything. And women ultimately want to be the guy that this incredible guy chooses and, like, is, like, the object of his desire. Like, that's just like, human nature. And with men, when you look at, like, if you read, like, the Divine Comedy in college, there's Beatrice or, like, when you watch Braveheart, like, his love interest, he's, like, fighting for her the whole movie. It's like when men see a woman, he sees her as, like, this perfection, like men actually have. I think women get confused because they see men on X called Margot Robbie mid.

[Isabel Brown]

But I'm still shook by this information. By the way, now everyone's also saying Timothee Chalamet is sexier than Henry Cavill, which I just. I don't understand.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

But Margot Robbie mid, I mean, come on.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, it's like everyone is mid anyways. But when a man actually loves a woman, like, he doesn't see any of your flaws. And then women if you look at like women love stories, like women want a man to see her flaws, like in the Notebook and stuff. It's like, love me for who I am. And it kind of goes back to Adam and Eve where Eve arrives and Adam says she's good. So the first thing that happens to Eve when she arrives into the the world is she's judged by a man. So women subconsciously always think they're being judged, even though she was judged righteously.

[Isabel Brown]

Interesting.

[Brittany Hugo]

So it's just like, it's very interesting because women are always like, oh, like, you know, I'm like, oh my, you know, from pregnancy or this or that. But it's like men don't really see that because they see you as this idealized form, but it's only for a woman that he's in love with. So then if men aren't dating or people aren't dating and the sexes kind of hate each other, then it's just kind of a bunch of just hating.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah. No one's really invested in wanting that deeper union with you.

[Brittany Hugo]

And they don't believe in it, which is really sad, especially as a romantic. Like, I want everyone to find love and a lot of people just don't believe it. And even my little brother, like, didn't believe in love. And then he met his wife and he was like, she's incredible and perfect and fell in love and got married and they're having a kid next month and she's just like a ride or die. She's beautiful, she's smart. She's smart. Just like amazing. And it's like a lot of men and women are like, where is my person? Like that. And it's getting harder to find.

[Isabel Brown]

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[Isabel Brown]

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[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, I do see a lot of that. And there's a lot of people who watch my content and watch the show who are still single and they're in their later 20s or early 30s and they love when we're posting about our family experience and raising a baby and our marriage and all these things. There's a lot of women who comment on my stuff who say, I want this desperately and I'm doing everything I can to go find it, but it just doesn't appear to be out there at all. And I've always loved that about Evie

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

because it's giving people tangible solutions to

[Isabel Brown]

go try to find someone through young adult church groups or through these in

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

person speed dating events that are now

[Isabel Brown]

making a comeback and all of these things. But I think that you see opportunities to connect with people where they desperately need it the most and where our culture is really hungry for the right advice in the right spaces. This being a perfect example of that as well.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

When you announced this, people were big mad at you and you're always mad at me. I know what else is new, but largely because of the COVID And so I'm interested to get your, your take

[Isabel Brown]

on why the COVID looks the way that it does. For those who might not have seen it, we have a printout of it because we don't have the actual copies yet. They're still in print. But there is a beautiful model posing

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

here in what I think is a very classy position.

[Isabel Brown]

You can't see anything wildly suggestive.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

This was very intentional hand placement.

[Isabel Brown]

Well done. And she's so obviously in bridal lingerie. To me, this is her wedding night, obviously. And yet people said this was, like, not a Christian or not a conservative thing to do. What's your response to that?

[Brittany Hugo]

I mean, we're not a Christian magazine, but we're a mainstream magazine. But obviously there are things where you're like, oh, interesting. But I was actually surprised because when you go to the beach or anything,

[Isabel Brown]

you're gonna see more skin than that.

[Brittany Hugo]

Way more than that. And I wore that corset for Halloween. It's from a famous store that does, like, corsets for films. And I was like, oh, everybody loves, like, Wuthering Heights coming out. Which that version wasn't as good as the Tom Hardy version. But, like, everyone loves corsets. They watch Bridgerton or whatever, Pride and Prejudice. Like, I genuinely didn't think a corset was going to be scandalizing, but I did sell that sundress that people said was basically lingerie. And the milkmaid dress that was practically. So I'm like, at this point, everything is a. There's a new everything is racist.

[Isabel Brown]

Interesting.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah.

[Isabel Brown]

Tell me more about that.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, you think everything.

[Isabel Brown]

Like, people are just looking to scandalize things that aren't.

[Brittany Hugo]

I think people have equated sex with. And they should not be equated. And there's this really dumb quote. I don't know if you ever saw it years ago. There's this guy named Bap on X. Bronze Age pervert, but who is like a influential intellectual or something.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Or something.

[Brittany Hugo]

Twitter intellectuals.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Who knows what that actually means?

[Brittany Hugo]

Twitter intellectuals are an interesting kind, but. So there was a picture. Do you know Ava Lauterbird? Yeah, she's. She's. She's incredible. She has a photo in a dress holding milk. And he comments, you might as well do. It's more honest. And so now every, like, contrarian single girl in their 30s is like, you might as well do more honest than whatever this is. And I'm like, guys, if everything is. Then nothing is, like, it's like, cringe and all this stuff. But it's like, by saying, like, a milk maid dress is, or a girl holding milk in, like, a modest dress, that she was in is. It's just like you guys are losing plot.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

I'm so confused by this, to be honest with you.

[Brittany Hugo]

But the fact that people are saying that sex equals is. They've just lost supply.

[Isabel Brown]

Do you think that's just an overcorrection to our society saying everything sex interesting?

[Brittany Hugo]

Maybe, yeah.

[Isabel Brown]

In this issue, you say that you are going to be giving very specific advice. I don't want to necessarily get too much into that because I don't want to give away everything that's in there. But what can people generally expect to read in here?

[Brittany Hugo]

It's very explicit advice. There's beautiful illustrations, beautiful photography, but it's definitely like to give to a bachelorette. And it's for the girls, it's not for the guys. But I think it's gonna help you learn to really enjoy, which you shouldn't necessarily need a book to do it. But I think that it is good for a lot of women who did grow up more traditionally and didn't have anywhere to go afterwards.

[Isabel Brown]

Where do you think people, like, historically would have been having these conversations before there was a need for this in more traditional circles?

[Brittany Hugo]

I think in Europe, it's like kind of a no, Br. I don't think that it would be an issue in Europe. I don't know. When it comes to America, I don't think there really ever has been. Well, maybe.

[Isabel Brown]

Let me rephrase that. Where do you think before our culture said you were not supposed to talk about this? Where were women getting this type of advice, like, who were they talking to? Who were they asking?

[Brittany Hugo]

I think women were mostly getting married younger. I think everyone was getting married kind of younger and learning together and stuff. And I think that it was just like a different time. Now it's just a whole different. It's hard to compare. Yeah, yeah.

[Isabel Brown]

There's a lot of people who have said that what you're suggesting to tell women that they should be enjoying sex with their husband is scandalous in and of itself. And that's. That's an evil thing for you to suggest that women should be enjoying sex with their husband. That's insane. Obviously. What's your response to that?

[Brittany Hugo]

Just people are not going to make it. But, yeah, like I was saying earlier, I think that in the past, you got married because you're excited to have sex, obviously for other reasons as well. But the problem is today you don't need to get married for sexual. So then it's kind of like. Well, then you're not really sure, aside from obviously you Want to grow old with them and have kids and grandkids and stuff. But like, there are guys who are like, oh, I can have 12 kids with like five different wives and then they haven't, like, like, I think there's going to be a generation of daddy issues because of that problem. Because people don't realize how important it is for a good father in the home. But back in the day, I don't think people really needed this advice because they were like, oh, I'm getting married, I'm excited to have sex. It was just like they were psychologically excited for it because it was the only time you could do it. Like, marriage is the only place where you can have sex with someone that differentiates your relationship from your friends, you know?

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, true. Otherwise it's just a non romantic companion, ultimately, which is a different type of relationship. It's probably why we say you're not actually married until you consummate the marriage. Like that is where a legitimate marital union comes in. It's interesting you bring up men wanting to have children with as many wives as possible. I'm seeing a lot of that in the alpha male red pill bro podcast space right now. And I think it goes hand in hand with this resurgence of the technological replacement of sex to create babies. In China, they're creating birth robots right now that will be on the market for $14,000 a pop. Insane. There are startup companies in places like San Francisco that are trying to make babies entirely derived from stem cells in petri dishes so that sex is not necessary. Like a sex chromosome being given by a wife and a husband is not necessary to create a new baby. And so you're almost watching like the outsourcing of sex entirely and the purpose that it is for to create new life and create new children to a robot or to some sort of scientific replacement in a laboratory in a very sterile, harsh, certainly non loving experience. Do you think that has anything to do with why people are having less sex right now? And how can we recapture putting sex back where it is supposed to be in a loving marital union?

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, I think that a lot of the issues happened during COVID I think that everyone was home and a lot of guys that I've talked to that are younger say that they don't even feel comfortable talking to a woman because he might get rejected. Which is a very interesting phenomenon because in the past men would just like go talk to different women and see like, which one they could get. You know, I. My husband has a guy friend who's like, I'm gonna find the prettiest girl in the room. I'm gonna talk to her. And I was like, he always pulls, like, beautiful, great women. So I'm like, this guy, at least he's trying, right? He's so confident. He's like, that girl's the prettiest. I'm gonna talk to her. I'm like, you go. But it's just funny. But now I think men are very uncomfortable talking to women. And then all those stories that trend are like the only fans or like, women, you know, cheating or whatever. And that's like the story that's always trending online. So then men are like, oh, well, what's the point of marriage? She sleeps with, you know, the body count things, like a thing. Now she sleeps with 100 men anyway, so she's not going to be bonded to me. And then they're just kind of like giving up on it. And then the young women I know are like 22, never been asked on a date, and they're beautiful and they're like, a guy's never asked me on a date. Even, like, my brother's wife had never been asked on a date, and she was 23 and he asked her to go to dinner and it just had never happened. So really, I'm a very optimistic person. And there's really never been a better time to be in the top 10% of guys or women. And it's never been a better time to shoot your shot because nobody else is.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, Chris Williamson talked about that. Statistically, if men just ask a woman on a date, like, I don't want to paraphrase this quote too much because I don't remember the number. But 90 plus percent of the time

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

a woman will say yes because you just asked, like, you just put yourself out there, period.

[Isabel Brown]

And nobody's doing that, which I find really interesting. And the body count conversation is an interesting one as well, because I really do believe we've created this inflated, artificial reality of what a normal number of partners sexually you've had before you get married is. Stuff like the whatever podcast or what's the one out of Miami, the Fresh and Fit podcast. And even people like Bonnie Blue on YouTube making videos, or OnlyFans, I should say, making videos saying that she's slept with 100 men in 24 hours or whatever, that is presented as normal. And I actually think the vast, vast, vast majority of young women don't have

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

sexual encounters before they're getting married.

[Isabel Brown]

But we've created this cultural norm that that is what's expected in terms of promoting sex in the right way then, and how we can speak to those women who are seeing that as normal, that's out there and thinking, ooh, that's scary.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

I don'. Anything to do with that.

[Isabel Brown]

But that seems to be what everybody else is doing. How can we preserve their beauty, their virtue, their virginity, and their innocence in a beautiful way until they have this marital union while also still looking forward to sex as a good thing?

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, I think it's kind of like the Adriana Lima quote I went back to. It's like, if women realize, like, women, ultimately, they wanna be adored, they wanna be loved, and men wanna be respected and everything. And if a woman. A woman, a lot of times will have sex because they think that will keep the man. And that's not necessarily true. But if they just learn, like, just be a virtuous woman, be as good as possible, and he's gonna be drawn to you, and if he loves you, he will wait for you, and he will wanna marry you because he loves you, but also, like, he'll wanna have sex, and that's, like, the only way he can. I think that's pretty powerful.

[Isabel Brown]

The other problem I saw you talk a lot about with the backlash to all of this, and in our last couple minutes, would love to see your reaction to this now, is this epidemic we're having of sexless marriages. So this is a huge problem, and nobody is really talking about it, but they're doing tons of research right now that even happily married couples are not so happy, necessarily, because once you do get married, and this is supposed to be a beautiful part of your relationship, people aren't having sex anymore once they're married. What did you learn about that, and what were you telling people about it?

[Brittany Hugo]

I didn't realize that only 18% of women have, which is very low. And I think that maybe they don't enjoy it because they don't. Maybe they never learned how to. I don't know. It's interesting, but it is a problem. And it's like, nobody wants to talk about it. And there is kind of like this Catholic thing that I won't get into, where it's like, where you kind of, like, own each other's bodies. You know, I always joke, like, you know, you can do whatever you want to your husband because you own his body. That's like a Catholic thing, not whatever you want, but. You know what I mean? But there really isn't. It's odd. It's almost treated as like this. I Don't even know how to describe it.

[Isabel Brown]

It's a taboo thing, even.

[Brittany Hugo]

Yeah, it's like a huge issue. And it's like, if you are in a fight or whatever and you have sex, you're probably going to be happier, you're probably going to feel better. Your kids are probably going to see you in a happy relationship. So it's like, it's an objective, good thing in your marriage. And he used to have to get, like, permission from, I think, like, the bishop years ago, if you had to leave your spouse for, like, two or three weeks because you're supposed to be having a lot of sex. And I. I posted once on Twitter that it was crazy that some woman didn't have sex with her husband for a year. And I got so much backlash for that. And I was like, really?

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

It was like, people were mad at

[Isabel Brown]

you for saying, yeah, that's the problem.

[Brittany Hugo]

They were like, what if, you know, she has this and she has this issue and she's tired and this and stuff. And I'm like, like, I. I understand when you, like, have kids and, you know, you wait six weeks and all this stuff, but it just seemed like a very.

[Isabel Brown]

A year is a long time.

[Brittany Hugo]

A year is a long time. And I know a couple marriages that. That did happen to, and they did end up divorced. And, like, the guy doesn't want to be intimate with his wife if she doesn't want to. Like, guys don't want to feel. Like, guys want to be desired. They don't want to feel like they're forcing their wife to do something. So then they just kind of get depressed and then. Yeah, it just seems like a bad move overall, at least.

[Isabel Brown]

Totally. I agree, and I'm really glad you

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

guys are starting to tackle this. I'll end with this fun question.

[Isabel Brown]

I'm a big sister, so I give

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

a lot of big sister advice to a lot of the people who are watching the show.

[Isabel Brown]

And when we got married, we asked people for their advice for our marriage or whatever, and they put it in a cute little jar at our wedding and did all that. I won't name them by name, but one of our best friends in a married couple, they were married before us,

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

put on a little piece of paper.

[Isabel Brown]

Their only piece of marital advice for us was to fight naked.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

And then you'll stop fighting pretty much instantaneously. And whatever you were fighting about probably doesn't matter too much. We don't always put that into practice, obviously, in our house. But I thought that was so fun and such a Simple, easy way to reduce all the tension in your house. And we always laugh and think about them when we're halfway through a fight. What would you say is your big sister piece of advice to those who might be watching?

[Brittany Hugo]

That's fantastic advice. And I either tweeted it or thought about tweeting it like five times. There you go. So that's hilarious. You know, I think when you're always selfless. And one thing I said, I don't know. Did you ever see my tweet with my anniversary tweet that everyone got mad about?

[Isabel Brown]

Okay, tell us about it though, for those that didn't see it.

[Brittany Hugo]

So I posted a tweet. It was my six year wedding anniversary. I literally spent months trying to get my husband a gift. I'm like such a gift giver. That's like my love language. I got him like this beautiful engraved, like, iron knife. Cause iron was like the theme of the six year wedding or whatever. And then he took me to like a nice hotel and stuff. We had a great time. We swim in the ocean. I was called the female Andrew Tate, asserting my superiority upon the world. And all these men were like, oh, she's trying to make all the women feel bad. But it was like, for what?

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Saying happy anniversary to your husband.

[Isabel Brown]

What?

[Brittany Hugo]

So I am looking and my husband's like reading it on the couch, laughing, and like, on TikTok, you know, you have the Dubai moms and they're buying like a Ruby at like, like 2pm on a Tuesday for like $300,000. But for some reason on Twitter, people like get upset about everything. So my husband's like reading this, laughing. He's like, I don't think the girls are mad. I think, like, the guys are mad. One of my responses to one of the people upset, she was like, hey, like, I really want a marriage like yours. And you guys seem to have a great relationship. What should I do? I said, wake up every morning and write five things you're grateful for. And always include, like, your husband and your kids. Because when you're always in a gratitude mindset, you're more successful, you're a better wife, you're a better guy. Like, you're. You're just better in general. And then people, like, took that out of context and they're like, what a terrible piece of advice for, like, women.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

And I was like, how dare you be grateful?

[Brittany Hugo]

I was like, I thought of that. I thought of that in five minutes. And that is five seconds. That is great advice. Like, wake up every morning and when you start the day grateful, your entire day is amazing.

[Isabel Brown]

Dennis Prager taught me years and years ago that gratitude is the source of all happiness.

[Brittany Hugo]

It's true.

[Isabel Brown]

You can orient your whole day around that. Your entire life will be changed as a result.

[Brittany Hugo]

You cannot be grateful and depressed at the same time.

[Isabel Brown]

I love that.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Brittany, where can people get their hands on a copy of. Not to be too graphic. Get their hands on a copy of the sex issue of Evie magazine. And more importantly, who is it designed for?

[Isabel Brown]

So where can people.

[Brittany Hugo]

It is for married wives. It is not for everybody. We do. Our next theme issue will be, I think, a lot more for a lot of people. Yeah, it's a great one. But evprint.com evie print.com, subscribe to EV Magazine, and then you can also get it at Casa Magazines if you live in New York City.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, you guys are currently selling a previous edition, Right? So where can people buy that as well?

[Brittany Hugo]

You can also get that on evprint.com and you can get it at Casa for the next couple weeks. And then it's gone forever.

[Isabel Brown]

Oh, it's gone forever. The beautiful Hannah Nealman Ballerina Farm is on the COVID And you guys did a beautiful spread out at their ranch in Utah about the new American dream. I loved that piece.

[Sponsor Announcer]

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[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Absolutely read it.

[Brittany Hugo]

They have to get it, though. Cause once it's gone, it's gone. It's like a collector's issue. And people are still asking us about the other issues. I'm like, you guys.

[Isabel Brown]

Well, I do have them. They're amazing. They're beautiful. They're gorgeous coffee table books. And maybe this one's not for your coffee table, but it is for your

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

sister or best friend's bachelorette party.

[Isabel Brown]

Brittany, thank you so much for the

[Brittany Hugo]

work that you guys are doing at

[Isabel Brown]

EU and working really hard to revive the American family. This is a part we don't often talk about in reviving the family, but is A, why we important to make families, and B, to keep them loving and healthy and happy moving forward.

[Brittany Hugo]

So I think kids will. Kids will like. You know, kids love seeing their parents in love.

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

Yes, they sure do. Our daughter lights up when dad comes in the front door and gives mom a kiss at the end of the day. So we love that.

[Isabel Brown]

Don't forget to pick up your copy of Evie. Whether it is the previous edition with Ballerina Farm, Hannah Neeleman on the COVID or the sex issue. If you have any bachelorette festivities coming

[Co-host/Guest Contributor]

up in your next few months, we'll drop the link in the description of

[Isabel Brown]

today's episode for you guys to figure out where you can get a copy and we will see you next week weekend.