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Isabel Brown
Learn more@WhatsApp.com the Internet is collectively losing its mind over the past few weeks to see how celebrities are dressing their 12 year old kids with push up bras, septum piercings, fake face tattoos, mini skirts, the whole nine. What is age appropriate for a kid to be wearing even on the red carpet? And maybe even more importantly, is our response to this and to the degradation of beauty in the fashion world a signal of something bigger? That maybe nature is healing, beauty is back, and ugliness is never welcome again in fashion or beyond in western civilization? Let's break it all down together here on the Isabel Brown Show. I don't know if you guys have noticed this as much as I have, but there's been a really weird evolution of the fashion world over the past few years that I've taken very close note of. Maybe it's because I used to watch Project Runway like religiously in the background.
Co-host/Producer
In high school when I did all.
Isabel Brown
Of my AP class homework. Make it work, ladies.
Co-host/Producer
Make it work.
Isabel Brown
Okay, maybe it's just because I grew up in the arts world as a dancer. I, I did theater in high school. I was always really interested in fashion. I thought it was an interesting world. Though I wasn't like a total fashion diva fashion designer wannabe. It was always something I was interested in. Or maybe it's just because I have eyeballs and I'm noticing how people are presenting. High fashion is following the exact same pipeline as the destruction of art, architecture, beautiful spaces, all in this concrete effort to destroy objective beauty standards as instituted by the Communist Party 60 plus years ago. Yeah, if you're new here, go back and watch episode one of the Isabel Brown show and that'll make more sense to you. But this has been a long time coming, and over the past five to 10 years, I would say every single major Fashion week show has demonstrated to me the very quick institution of ugliness as beauty in the fashion world. I made a video about this a couple of months ago while I was still pregnant. Actually, it's fun to go back and watch all of those videos before I had my daughter. In the last round of fashion weeks in the Spring. Here's what I had to say then. I really like fashion, but I will never be the person to pretend like I know everything about couture, but I'm pretty sure this isn't it. I mean, truly. Have we really lost the plot that much? Like what happened to so serving looks iconic. Iconic as a personal favorite of mine with Oscar de la Renta. More of this, less of this. Yes. No, no, no, no. Immediately, yes. What is going on? And you know what? Call me crazy, but this stuff actually does matter. Our society is systematically degrading standards of beauty, not just in fashion, but in architecture, in what we call art, and even our houses of worship as we try to say everything is beautiful, then nothing is. And we've watched a sp. Spiritual crisis in our society in the entire Western world in the last several decades as a result. So not entirely sure what's going on.
Co-host/Producer
At Paris Fashion Week this year, but yikes.
Isabel Brown
This girl is really smart.
Co-host/Producer
She should have a podcast with the Daily Wire. More of Isabel Brown, the world says, but it's bad.
Commentator/Guest
It is.
Isabel Brown
It is a crisis. I think that is exactly the appropriate word to use. It was last spring during Paris Fashion Week and all of the Runway shows, and it is now this fall, as we talk about fashion shows, what's happening on the Runway and what's acceptable on the red carpet for celebrities, for actors and actresses, for musicians and fashion gurus to be sporting as the pinnacle of the beauty that we wear. It's gotten so bad over the past few years that we are to the point that someone could sneak into a Runway show.
Co-host/Producer
This actually happened wearing a literal garbage bag as a prank, and no one noticed. Like, the crowd just clapped and cheered. This happened just recently. Oh, my gosh.
Isabel Brown
Huh?
Co-host/Producer
The guy gets all the way down the Runway. Everyone in the crowd is just like, yes, yes. More of this.
Isabel Brown
So.
Co-host/Producer
So fashion.
Isabel Brown
So art.
Co-host/Producer
He gets all the way down the Runway before the people organizing the event even realize this guy's an imposter. He's not even supposed to be here. And then he gets tackled. I love it.
Isabel Brown
So, of course, all of this is true. There is a death of beauty. There is a death of objective fashion standard. And we're watching this weird normalization of ugliness take over across the world. But there's also this other really weird, sinister aspect to the fashion industry that is bubbling to the surface right now, and a specific, eerie new trend that is bothering the entire Internet. And it's how celebrities are dressing their kids and. Or how they are allowing their kids to to be dressed. One celebrity kid in particular is at the center of this Internet investigation and outrage. Northwest Kim Kardashian and Kanye West's daughter. And there's a lot to unpack here. I couldn't possibly begin to do it myself. So we have a friend joining us on the Isabel Brown show to help us understand where Kim K his head is at. Spoiler alert. It's under this weird Bene Gesserit dune looking mask.
Co-host/Producer
Our friend Link Lauren I got to.
Isabel Brown
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Co-host/Producer
And joining us today on the Isabel Brown Show.
Link Lauren
Thank you so much. I'm so, so, so happy for your success with the Isabel Brown show and thank you for having me.
Isabel Brown
Thank you, of course, always and always cheering you on with everything that you do. I'm excited to unpack this with you because very few other people have my identical Tik Tok algorithm and apparently you are on the same for you page as me. And I keep seeing videos from this one creator. I think her name is Alexis. Let me double check Alexis Gilroy who has done this whole series talking about the children of celebrities and how some celebrities are age appropriate in dressing their kids on the red carpet or at galas and award shows and some are setting a completely insane standard for what is appropriate for children. I want to play a clip for us to start talking about this when it comes to Kim Kardashian and Kanye West Daughter Northwest and then get your reaction on the other side.
Commentator/Guest
This is a 12 year old. I am not a mother. I don't have children. But I don't think this is an appropriate outfit for a 12 year old. Like am I being crazy? Am I being a Karen? I don't think so. Like guys, that is an insane, insane outfit for a 12 year old. This isn't even a teenager. This is not an adult. This is so far from an adult. This is a middle school child. This is a child. I'm sorry, let me know what you guys think because I, I fear this is crazy and gonna lead to a crash out that makes the one from Brittany and Amanda Bynes pale in comparison. This cannot be healthy.
Isabel Brown
Amen. So this was the video that started it all for this gal. This has almost 18 million views on Tik Tok and people are responding in a whole bunch of different ways. Some people are defending this outfit, saying it's completely fine and it's especially expected for celebrities kids. Other people are pointing out how they.
Co-host/Producer
Dressed when they were 12 and they're putting photos of like they the multi plaid patterned Bermuda shorts that we all when we were 12. I love it.
Isabel Brown
But what is your take on this and why do you think this is catching the attention of so many people right now?
Link Lauren
So I know some folks are gonna say I'm boring and maybe I'm old school or I'm too conservative. I do not think this is appropriate for a 12 year old girl. And you can't blame the 12 year old girl too much, right? She's going out there in a corset, push up bra, big heels, long nails, all this hair. She's dressing like a little prostatot. And it's the mom's fault. It is Kim Kardashian's fault. All right? You as the mother are putting your daughter out there in front of the paparazzi, in front of the cameras when she's 12 year old. 12 years old and dressed like that. It is so inappropriate. But it is the mom who should know better. Because young girls, right, young girls who are 12, 13, 14, they're going to want to experiment with makeup and clothes and hair and play in their mom's closet. Imagine having a mom like Kim Kardashian to go into her closet and play. It's probably a little girl's dream. But there's a big difference between playing in the privacy of your own home and then going out there in public. And that is where I hold Kim Kardashian accountable. And the last thing I'll say on it, Hollywood is already such a dark, demonic place. We have childhood actors who are abused and mistreated. So now you have this little girl, she's 12 years old, okay? I don't care how fat she's growing up, she's 12 years old. She's trying to find herself, figure out who she is. Her dad is Kanye West. Her mom is Kim Kardashian. God bless this little girl growing up in the crazy world of Hollywood, trying to find out who she is and glomming on to these identities that are so inappropriate.
Isabel Brown
Yeah, I think it's hard, honestly, when you just see an image and you don't know the greater context of any of this stuff, to realize that this is a child. Like we are using the word kid appropriately here. This girl is not even a teenager yet. She is 12. And how old are you when you're 12? You're in sixth or seventh grade. I mean, you're still figuring out everything in life. Who you are, what music you like to listen to, what your favorite TV show is, what sports you want to play, what, what kinds of boys you have crushes on. I mean, these are like very elementary experiences coming into the very beginning of adolescence. And I look at a picture like this and I'm seeing what looks like a 27 year old woman, like someone very clearly dressed sexually for a male gaze in a very promiscuous outfit that very, very obviously is trying to send a specific message to me. I'm not pretending like a mom is supposed to be picking out her 12 year old's outfit every day. I, I mean, I distinctly remember, especially.
Co-host/Producer
Being the oldest child in my family, how annoyed I was at some point that my mom tried to pick out my clothes every day.
Isabel Brown
Like, mom, let me be, let me do my thing. But to let your child know and signal that that's appropriate or that's okay. Clearly there's a parenting crisis here and I think that's a, a frustrating thing for so many people to be watching because we want the best for these kids, especially when they grow up with the extensive pressure and the extra eyes of the public eye constantly on them. But now it's actually escalating even further. So some new images of Northwest have been shared publicly this week. And what started as just the promiscuous angle that people have been talking about for the last several months is now escalating into fake face tattoos. At least I hope and I pray that they are fake. And grills over her teeth. These images are going viral on X this week of Northwest. Again, this is a 12 year old girl. Let's leave these up on the screen for a second. Fake eyelashes, obviously fake hair, fake face tattoos, grills over her teeth, the septum piercing, which Lord knows we could get into the conversation about septum theory piercing all day long. When I look at this picture, I do not see a 12 year old little girl. I see a tortured soul lost woman who has had a very dark several decades of her life and needs help escaping that. And it just makes me wonder what conversations are happening at home. What do you feel when you look at these images? Link?
Link Lauren
Well, it's interesting because some folks are going to say, oh, you're mommy shaming Kim Kardashian. You're judging her. I obviously am not a parent, don't plan on having kids anytime soon. But I know right from wrong and I know common sense. And when you're allowing your daughter to go out there on the Internet like that, to go out in public, you're putting her up for public consumption and ridicule and critique. And Kim Kardashian knows better. Okay? She's been in Hollywood her whole life. Her father was a famous attorney. She knows what she's doing. She knows her daughter is going to get criticized and commented on. But the daughter really has her whole life to grow up. And that's what I find so sad. Right? You only have so young, so long to be young and innocent in this world and you have your whole life to be an adult and try things and go crazy and experiment and she's going to have those experimental phases. But kids are so impressionable. They're sponges. They're so malleable. Their frontal lobes aren't connected yet. So there's something around her, someone around her who is this type of influence. And I worry maybe these kids and Holly Hollywood don't have any good influences that they're doing these face tattoos and piercings and crazy hair. They could use some good influences potentially in the Kardashian family.
Isabel Brown
Oh, absolutely. And in no way, shape or form. I think that's an important qualification here. Am I remotely intending to mom shame anyone? If I've learned anything as a parent, it's that none of us know what we're doing ultimately.
Co-host/Producer
That every day is kind of figuring out how do I get through the next 24 hours.
Isabel Brown
And I'm sure that only continues after your baby is growing up and has a bunch of new different challenges in every phase of life. But in this co parenting relationship of Kim Kardashian and Kanye west, there clearly does seem to be some sort of exploitation of this child. And I think that's concerning to people because whether that's dressing her incredibly promiscuously or putting out this weird hardcore image with the face tattoos and the piercings and all of that stuff for your 12 year old, it seems to me that there's a larger agenda at hand. And this has now sparked a massive discussion spearheaded BY that original TikTok video that I showed you around celebrities and their kids and how that intersects with the fashion world in particular, and wanting to protect the innocence of children and the childhood experience, especially in the public eye. I'm very grateful for the last couple of years as this Nickelodeon documentary has come out and more testimonies like Drake Bell are starting to come to the surface. Jeanette McCurdy, who was a Nickelodeon star when we were kids, about how dark Hollywood can be for children. There seems to be a societal push waking up to the exploitation of kids at earlier and earlier ages. So this gal Alexis has made more TikTok videos about how Northwest is not the only child that's getting at least a version of this treatment. Beyonce's daughter Blue Ivy is exactly the same age. She also is 12 years old and she wore something quite interesting on the red carpet at one of these events as well.
Commentator/Guest
Well, good thing the Beehive, just like Kim Kardashian, doesn't control what I do and don't talk about on the Internet or at all. Everyone keeps commenting that it's the same thing for Blue Ivy and that her and north are the same. They're both dressed inappropriately. So let's just take a look because I have some thoughts. This is the first photo that people keep referencing. Would I put my 12 year old in this? No. Is this the same as what Northwest is wearing also? No. Let's point out some key differences. Let's point out the similarities first and then we'll point out the differences. Similarities. Corset, style, top. But it's on a gown. I don't love a corset on a 12 year old. I just don't. And lip liner. I also don't love lip liner on a 12 year old. Why are we accentuating the lips of a 12 year old? It's bizarre. It's one weird. It's. It's weird energy. I don't like it. Don't like those two things. Differences which I think are notable would be that she does not have a mini skirt on. This is a ball gown for an event. She is not walking the streets of Rome. She does not have on 7 inch platform boots with a mini skirt. She does not have on a collared Playboy bunny choker. She does not have 25 inch blue extensions down to her butt crack. And she does not have fingernails out to here with piercings in them.
Isabel Brown
So I think this is interesting because she's saying, yeah, it doesn't look visually as bad as Northwest per se with the long fingernails and the weird hair and the face tattoos and all of that. But this is also still not appropriate to put a 12 year old in. We wouldn't push up a 12 year old's boobs and accent her lips if we weren't in some way trying to exploit her. So I got one more clip for you and then I'm curious to get your take. She is pointing out some age appropriate looks for kids that are being highlighted by celebrities on the red carpet and showing the juxtaposition of all of this stuff.
Commentator/Guest
Do y' all seriously believe that it's hard to find age appropriate outfits and ball gowns when you are a multimillionaire billionaire? Like, do y' all actually believe that? Here's a perfect example. This is Jamie Foxx with his 11 year old daughter on the red carpet. Extremely age appropriate flats with socks. Hilarious. And cute neckline up to here, full coverage. There's no like bustier. She has her cute little gloves on. Like this is what I think of when I think of a child on a red carpet. Let's go through some more examples. The stars of Stranger Things after their first season on the red carpet for The Emmys, they're 12 years old. I think one of the boys is 13. Billy. Millie Bobby Brown, 12 years old, age appropriate. These people have access to every designer, every resource, every outfit, custom options. To say that it's difficult to find something age appropriate is insane.
Isabel Brown
So you look at Millie Bobby Brown at the debut of Stranger things. She looks 20 years younger than these other kids, right?
Link Lauren
Yes.
Isabel Brown
No.
Link Lauren
It's interesting when you see a 12 year old kid in Hollywood versus I say a normal 12 year old kid, maybe at the grocery store, at school, they look worlds apart. But it's really the parents who have to blame the parents because the kids don't know better. Right. And the kids are going to want to push the boundaries. And unfortunately, kids these days have access to so much. Kids have access to everything on the Internet. It's at their fingertips. Growing up with social media today as a young girl, I imagine you're always just comparing yourself to what you see in these algorithms and then what you're seeing, it could be AI. The people could be enhanced. I mean, the Kardashians. I want to talk about the Kardashians. They have made a living off of giving girls body dysmorphia and reasons to feel bad about themselves. When the Kardashians came onto the scene, they said, you need a big butt. Big butts are in girls. Young girls went out there and did injections. They went to foreign countries, they got their bodies artificially enhanced. Now the Kardashians, because Ozempic is in, we're slim again, right? Big lips are in, then they're out. They're always giving girls reasons to feel sorry for themselves, to feel bad when they look into the mirror, and to not love the skin that they were born. And I think that's the worst part of this. All Northwest. You have your whole life to grow up. These other celebrity kids, your whole life to grow up, relish in being a kid. But it's so hard in the demonic dark waters of Hollywood. And the last thing I'll say is there's also this growing trend. How many celebrity kids do we see now are trans? The parents trans them. The kids are way too young to make that decision. But so many celebrity parents now have a transgender child, almost like an accessory, like a Birkin bag. That is a trend. Also, it's statistically impossible to have that many trans kid and that kids in that small of a pool, but these parents are pushing it. So I will pray for these kids in Hollywood and I pray that maybe they can get out and have some sense of normalcy. But I'm not holding my breath.
Isabel Brown
Isabel Link said that perfectly. That we're watching this concept of body dysmorphia be normalized for women and beauty standards, that we're flip flopping constantly on what's in, what's out, what's pretty, what's ugly, and it's just way too exhausting to keep up with. Eerily though, it reminds me of how we are flip flopping on what's healthy and what's not. It is wild to me that in modern history we have been told that vegetable oils like canola and soybean oil are the healthier choice for you when they actually suck. They are just actually highly processed industrial products. For thousands of years, before we ever started flip flopping, people cooked with natural fats like beef tallow, lard and butter. The magical goodness of butter. But somewhere along the way, we were convinced that these were suddenly dangerous and something that we needed to avoid for our health. What really bothers me is learning that many of these seed oils, though, were originally developed for industrial uses, not for you to safely eat canola oil, for the record, which is in basically everything processed, literally started as machine lubricant, machine lubricant during World War II. Now that I have a baby especially, I am being even more intentional about what I bring into our kitchen and what I'm eating every day. Which is why we have shifted to cooking with grass fed beef tallow 99% of the time. It's exactly what our great grandmothers would have used. And honestly, it just makes everything taste so much more incredible. It feels so much better knowing that I'm nourishing my family with something that's actually been a part of human nutrition for generations, instead of just repurposed industrial byproducts. Unlike seed oils, Golden Age beef tallow also has a very high smoke point, which makes it great for cooking pretty much anything, but also for deep frying chicken, searing steaks, making eggs and roasting vegetables. You will be so happy to know that Golden Age beef tallow contains no additives, no anti foaming agents and no preservatives. And that it is 100% American, made from the Midwest with 100% grass fed American cows. If you and your family are ready to stop flip flopping and just go back to the basics of what we know is safe to eat. You can give golden age beef tallow a try. Go to golden age fats.com/isabelle and use code ISABELLE for 25% off your first order. That is golden age fats.com/Isabel and code ISABEL for 25% off your first Order. Yeah, you know, this idea of body dysmorphia promoted by the Kardashians I think is really interesting in light of some.
Co-host/Producer
Photos we saw of Kim K. On the red carpet this week that I know you highlighted on your show. Not just the BBL is in, apparently from Kim Kardashian or the weird bush underwear that skims is now selling legitimate thing. Go look it up on your own time.
Isabel Brown
But she took to the red carpet this week to look like nothing.
Co-host/Producer
I guess to hide her whole identity except for her chest by hiding her.
Isabel Brown
Face behind a mask. I think we have a photo here.
Co-host/Producer
To show of that. A couple of photos of what she looked like on the red carpet. It is so weird to me that.
Isabel Brown
This is a choice, like a fashion choice. Not only do you have to change what you look like, now you're supposed to look like nothing. Like your individual identity means nothing.
Co-host/Producer
I know you made fun of this a little bit on your podcast. Spot on. And wore. Wore the mask yourself, which is absolutely killing me. My husband and I were laughing so hard at the clips.
Isabel Brown
What message is this sending to you?
Link Lauren
Okay, first off, do not recommend it. Okay? Don't recommend this. Look, I did sort of the cheap knockoff version. I put a pillowcase over my head. Let me tell you, it was hot. It was not easy to drive in. I bumped my head a few times. I couldn't breathe. It was humid in there. I don't recommend it even for 10 minutes. Okay. But there is something degrading to women to say you need to cover your faces. Right. And what I don't understand about Kim Kardashian, too, right, you've spent probably, in my opinion, hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe a million dollars allegedly, on plastic surgery, enhancing your look and laser treatments and all of this just to cover yourself with a sheet. You should get a refund. What was the point of paying for all those body enhancements if you're going to put a sheet over your head? And then I look at and I think, are they getting women in this country ready for, you know, Islam? Is this what is going to happen in New York City when Mamdani takes over and declares Sharia law and they have, you know, government issued bread? Do the women have to cover Themselves. This is what you see in the Middle east, where women just got the right to drive. Right? Women still can't go on trips sometimes without their husband's approval. And so for Kim Kardashian covering her face, I'm like, is this Kim Kardashian in Gaza? Like, I hope this isn't a trend that catches on here in the United States, because women should love the skin they have and the face they have. That's just my take.
Isabel Brown
That's so interesting. And one thing I hadn't really thought about as you're watching this clashing of Eastern and Western culture happen in the west right now, that's such a fascinating social commentary on what we reasonably might expect to be like, the new fashion and the new women's empowerment and the message that we're selling. It's not bbls anymore. It's burkas, apparently.
Link Lauren
Well, I will say, when I had the pillowcase over my head, I was like, I'm kind of maybe jealous of the women in burkas and the hijabs because they don't have to get their hair done as much. They don't have to worry about how they look as much, but they might not be allowed to drive. You know what I'm saying? That might get a little bit dicey. So. And if any Muslim women are watching us on a hotspot right now, welcome. You're welcome to the show, but no Kim Kardashian. This is not a look I recommend. I gave it a 2 out of 10.
Isabel Brown
10.
Link Lauren
2 out of 10.
Isabel Brown
2 out of 10 seems an appropriate answer. And also, I just thought it was ugly. But sadly is following the exact same trend that we've watched in fashion really, for the last decade. And we started the show with this before we brought you in, that we're watching high fashion really be like, androgynous, weird brown paper bag.
Co-host/Producer
Let's put this image back up, actually, of Kim K. Because that's exactly what this is. It's like this weird shapeless brown sack.
Isabel Brown
Concept now with your face even removed. And we're supposed to call this high fashion. This is giving slutty Bene Gesserit from Dune to me more than it's actually giving high fashion. But I have to say I am incredibly encouraged. And the last thing I want to share with you today, link on the show is that I'm encouraged to see fashion designers start to embrace objective beauty again. And I don't know if this is just part of the nature is healing thing that we're seeing in 2025 and.
Co-host/Producer
The good and true and beautiful coming.
Isabel Brown
Back to the surface. But earlier this year, Dolce and Gabbana released a new collection that they debuted on a famous bridge just outside of St. Peter's Basilica outside the Vatican in Rome, honoring the Catholic origins of the founder of Dolce and Gabbana. And the collection is by far and away the best lineup from a fashion show I've seen in at least a decade. We have a clip right here to.
Co-host/Producer
Show you link and I cannot wait to see what you think about it.
Isabel Brown
Sam.
Link Lauren
Ah, I loved it.
Co-host/Producer
I love this collection.
Isabel Brown
What do you think? Immediate thoughts?
Link Lauren
Well, what's interesting is I was in a boys choir from 5th through 12th grade and so when I see them in the robes with the ruffs, we would do that and we'd have different, you know, we would go sing at different churches and cathedrals around the UK and in Europe, so at Notre Dame Basilica. So it reminded me of being, you know, back in my choir boy days. But I will also say on a more serious note, right, you have to fight to preserve Western civilization and our traditions, right? They're not just going to be passed down from generation to generation unless we fight for them and we try to enslave, instill them. Because Western civilization, whether we like it or not, is always on a knife's edge, right? We have to fight for common sense, faith, family, conservative values. So I loved that from that respect and I hope we see more of it. And there was a shift the last few years, right, to embrace sort of wacky clown, bizarre looking people that nobody could really relate to in these brands. They would try things like Bud Light hiring Dylan Mulvaney or Calvin Klein putting non binary bearded women on their ads. And finally capitalism said enough, we want normal looking people. Sue us for wanting normal looking people. All this woke stuff is out. Common sense is back. Thank you God. Thank you.
Co-host/Producer
Oh thank you God indeed.
Isabel Brown
Link.
Co-host/Producer
Thanks for taking a couple minutes out of your day to join us on the show.
Isabel Brown
Real quick before we let you go, where can people catch spot on and make sure that they're following you and your content?
Link Lauren
Yes, you can find it on YouTube, Spotify, Apple. If you just type in link Lauren you will find it. And thank you so much Isabel. God bless you and your growing family and your husband and everyone at Daily Wire. So thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you.
Isabel Brown
Can't wait to see you in person very soon. Lincoln. We'll be sure to have you back asap. Okay.
Co-host/Producer
Before we move on from This. I actually want to zoom in on.
Isabel Brown
This Dolce and Gabbana collection a little bit closer because some people are not wildly happy about it. I understand. Some people just can't handle the ultimate drip that is the Catholic Church, the infinite aura that is the church established by Jesus Christ. I get it. It's a lot sometimes, and especially from a Protestant, Americanized Christianity point of view, I think a lot of people hate that this is supposed to be a nod to God and a nod to something divine. Because the Protestant worldview is often so aimed at stripping everything down. Bare churches without a lot of art, you don't want iconography. It's supposed to just be about your Bible in your hand and blank white church walls. And so even like, visiting the Vatican is such an overwhelming experience for some people. So how could we ever create a fashion collection that's this gaudy and insane and this intricate and call that like.
Co-host/Producer
An homage to God?
Isabel Brown
But I have to say, I hope you look at this Dolce and Gabbana collection and realize the need for objective beauty that transcends the brokenness of humanity. Because that clip I showed you at the beginning of the show today with the weird link said it perfectly clownish fashion designs that are so insane and so ugly and so against human nature and are tied to the source of beauty, which is God, could not be more juxtaposed from this Dolce and Gabbana collection that rolled out earlier this year. So we have some pictures of my favorite looks that I pulled from the show. Again, they rolled this out on a very famous bridge that's just a few minute walk from St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican. And I now found out by the way, they had this fashion show like.
Co-host/Producer
Three days before I was in Rome. So I so wish I was there for that.
Isabel Brown
There were several cardinals and church leadership members in attendance from the Vatican, and they praised Dolce and Gabbana for how well that they honored the faith.
Co-host/Producer
This look in particular are. People are freaking out over. My producer actually googled how to buy this thing. He was like, money is no object. I just need to wear this out in town. It is not ready to wear, so you cannot indeed buy it. But it's beautiful.
Isabel Brown
It's so striking. This is my favorite piece of the entire collection. So I'll leave it up for a second for you guys. As you can see, he's wearing like almost like an armored breastplate, something that looks like armor going into battle. And at the center of the armor here is what looks like a Monstrance. If you are not Catholic, a monstrance is the device, the physical thing in which we will put in the center. You'll see the little hole in the center of it. A consecrated host of the Eucharist. So something that has already been transformed in the mass into the literal body of Christ. And you have adoration, and you can sit with actual Jesus in adoration. So a monstrance is a really powerful image of the body of Christ. So literally, the symbolism of this outfit is putting on the armor of the.
Co-host/Producer
Body of Christ, which is the most meta level, incredible alpha thing you could ever say about fighting back against culture.
Isabel Brown
Fighting back against ugliness, and how fashion can transform the world for the better. This has like 20 layers of symbolism. I think I have a couple more.
Co-host/Producer
For you because they're all just so good.
Isabel Brown
That's by far my favorite look, though. Amazing. No notes. Look how intricately beautiful this is. This is what high fashion. It's weird, it's avant garde, but it's beautiful. Is supposed to look like. Thank you, Dolce and Gabbana, for making all of this possible. When I saw this blazer, maybe this is just me.
Co-host/Producer
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isabel Brown
I immediately close my eyes and I.
Co-host/Producer
See Jordan B. Peterson wearing this blazer. Am I the only one. Chat I've got to know.
Commentator/Guest
Drop.
Co-host/Producer
Drop it in the comments, because I don't think I'm the only one that can see Jordan Peterson wearing this blazer.
Isabel Brown
This coat, the drip. Yes.
Co-host/Producer
No notes.
Isabel Brown
Stunning.
Co-host/Producer
I could not have envisioned anything more beautiful. It's perfect.
Isabel Brown
It's perfect. So maybe nature is healing. I don't know. Oh, this actually, before I. Before I finish this, this actually is a really important piece. What you maybe don't notice right away when you're looking at this, it's beautiful. It's sculpture. It looks like a marble sculpture that you would see in St. Peter's Basilica or in an art museum in Europe or something crafted by Michelangelo. What this actually represents is the head of St Peter on 1 side of his bodice here, and on the other side, he's holding the keys to the kingdom. So this actually is like biblical scriptural church, dogma oriented fashion. And yet it's so striking and so beautiful and so radically countercultural to what we have seen in the fashion and the art world in the last several years. I loved this piece. This tied with the monstrance armor was by far my favorite that I saw on the Runway from this show. And people love it. Generally speaking, people are having an incredibly positive reaction to this. So maybe nature is healing. We see it healing everywhere else. People are making religious Jesus based movies everywhere and stuff like Angel Studios is getting constantly acquired by streaming services, being partnered with larger television and movie studios for bigger budgets. Blockbuster Hollywood studios are making their own versions of this stuff. Prince of Egypt is getting turned into a Broadway musical right now which is absolutely insane. I'm so excited about hey gang. I'm so excited to share with you that I am working with the Candle Club with the cutest candles and packaging that you have ever seen in your entire life. These things are my favorites. We have created my very own collection of American made toxin free beeswax blend candles. We're using clean scents that smell so good and 100% cotton wicks too. These candles are not just beautiful and clean, they smell amazing and you need them in your house. You can pre order the limited first run that we have made with all of the art from my set that you see behind me on the show every day, including all of our DC art. We've got some Teddy Roosevelt stuff for you, a cute thing of my dog, and so much more right now@thecandleclub.com Isabel we are launching this together and you can get all four of my handpicked scents when you pre order now. That is the candle club.com Isabel there's this hunger and demand in the performing arts for this stuff. Why shouldn't there be a hunger and demand for this in the fine arts as well? Whether that's fashion or painting or sculpture or architecture or anything else. We are witnessing because of the systematic death of beauty that we've watched for the last several generations. A resurgence, a renaissance, literally, of beauty in the West. And Link said it beautifully there in our few minutes that we spent with him. Why does this matter? Because what the cornerstone of Western civilization is, which is a connection to the divine, is Christian values. Whether we realize that or not is not going to magically transfer itself from generation to generation and decade to decade. Put more simply, President Ronald Reagan once very famously said that freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. You have to constantly, diligently pass these values, these ideas, these traditions on from one generation to the next. If you are serious about retaining a culture and when you don't, you see it dissipate very, very, very quickly where darkness takes over light, where evil takes over good, where ugliness takes over beauty. So you might laugh and think, okay, why should I remotely care what a celebrity is wearing on the red carpet or how they're dressing their kid. Why should I remotely care about what a multi billion dollar fashion house is doing for their fashion week display this year? Because that is all part of a much larger, intricate, intricate web of how our culture is responding to the demands of our time, to tradition or chaos or and anarchy, to beauty or ugliness, to truth or lies, to goodness or evil. So I'm here for it. Dolce and Gabbana.
Co-host/Producer
I'm just gonna put this out there. I've never been, I have never been a designer afficianado whatsoever.
Isabel Brown
Frankly, I get thrown up on from.
Co-host/Producer
Most of my clothes as a new mom too much to warrant buying anything.
Isabel Brown
Wildly expensive and every single one of my purses gets scratched up in a matter of days. So I've just never understood the necessity of buying like a $20,000 purse.
Co-host/Producer
Literally.
Isabel Brown
I'm not exaggerating that women actually do that. I would buy like a two hundred dollar purse.
Co-host/Producer
Maybe that's even a stretch.
Isabel Brown
But this is my one exception. Dolce and Gabbana as the person crusading. Gosh, I'm referencing King Baldwin a lot this week.
Co-host/Producer
Crusading on behalf of your pro church, pro Jesus, pro catholic collection on the Runway.
Isabel Brown
If you want to send me one of these looks. Not the purple one, I'm sorry, I.
Co-host/Producer
Know my producer Dean really wants the purple purple cape. But maybe like the red robe.
Isabel Brown
I will wear this to the grocery store.
Co-host/Producer
I will wear this walking around town.
Isabel Brown
I will wear it next time I go to the White House walking my dog anytime.
Co-host/Producer
Because beauty matters.
Isabel Brown
On the note of objectively good taste, even bad guys have good taste sometimes. Because I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to the heist that happened at the Louvre this week. Somehow I missed this and was a few days late to it because I was battling a stomach bug over the weekend and have kind of been playing catch up ever since. This week on very little sleep with a six month old daughter.
Co-host/Producer
The people who robbed the Louvre stole.
Isabel Brown
The most beautiful jewelry pieces and artifacts of French history really I've ever seen. I have not yet been to France. It is one of the few countries in Europe that I still have yet to visit. I was supposed to go this last summer and we just couldn't make it work with a new baby. So I have not been to the Louvre to see the infamous Mona Lisa that is yay big and very half smiling and according to some wildly overrated or this collection of priceless French artifacts, but they are gone. Perhaps I will never get the chance to see them because of perhaps the most insane heist that has ever happened in real life. Our friend, the Amazing Dylan Page, aka News Daddy, who you and 18 million other people may be following on TikTok, had the perfect explanation to catch me up on what the heck happened over the weekend.
Co-host/Producer
Watch this.
Dylan Page (News Daddy)
We just witnessed the heist of the decade. Yesterday, a group of thieves broke into the Louvre in Paris and successfully made it out with nine items potentially worth hundreds of millions. It's being called a national disaster because the items that they made it out with are historic pieces of jewelry hundreds of years old and used to belong to kings, queens and royalty. One of the pieces belonged to Napoleon III's wife and contained over 2,400 diamonds. The ninth item that was stolen was this crown, but it was recovered broken at the scene. But what's even crazier is how these guys pulled it off. I mean, for starters, it was literally daylight robbery because they decided to go in around 9.30am on Sunday. They wore hi Viz vests, pretending to be construction workers. They pulled up in this van with a mechanical lift. It ascended to the balcony of the second floor where they got through the windows using disc cutters. Once inside, they also cut through the display cases. They grabbed the items, descended down the basket lift again. They tried but failed to set fire to the van, then got on two motorbikes, fled the scene and were never seen since. Bro, they were in and out in four minutes. In fact, the entire thing lasted seven. Art detective Arthur Brand said that the heist was the theft of the decade and warned that police have about a week to catch them and if not, the loot will probably be gone and dismantled.
Isabel Brown
Four minutes. Four minutes.
Co-host/Producer
I mean, this feels like I'm watching an ocean's movie. This is like the plot of the next Oceans movie. Great films, by the way. We just rewatched those recently. I'm sure they'll make a spoof Oceans.
Isabel Brown
Movie based on what happened here. This is like the Pink Panther come to life. Four minutes. This is not like a renegade operation.
Co-host/Producer
Clearly this took a whole lot of.
Isabel Brown
Pre planning access, understanding exactly how to cut through windows, break into display cases and get the heck out of dodge. They were not incredibly successful. They tried to steal a whole bunch of pieces. But as Dylan mentioned in this video, one of the most priceless artifacts in this display case was a crown. And that was used, I believe, by Napoleon or right around that time in French history. They dropped it on their way out. So it was recovered, although damaged, which is Incredibly unfortunate. But there are numerous pieces of jewelry and crowns used by the French royal family of incalculable value. They are estimating up to 600 million plus euros in value missing from the Louvre now because of this heist. This is insane. Look at these. What did he say about that one piece up in the very top corner? That. That has like 24,000 individual diamonds in it. So I guess the concern is that they're going to be taking all this stuff apart and selling the individual jewels. I don't know. I don't know.
Co-host/Producer
I mean, the memes I have seen coming out of this are wild about, like, the robbers just sitting at home, the thieves, the heists, sitting at home just wearing the crown jewels of France.
Isabel Brown
Because how are you gonna ever sell this?
Co-host/Producer
Are you just keeping it to keep in your house? Are you just trying to say, cool, we did that and get the high out of it a La Ocean's 14 style?
Isabel Brown
I. I don't know. This is wild to me and truly feels like something out of a movie. Of course, everyone's now beginning to speculate, is this because of a DEI hire?
Co-host/Producer
Because apparently they reshuffled a whole lot.
Isabel Brown
Of the leadership of the security staff at the Lou and the senior staff of the museum in general in the last few years. Was this somebody on the inside? I have no idea. But the one thing everyone is in agreement on is that of all the things you could have possibly taken, these thieves did have some pretty good taste. These are objectively beautiful things that the French royal family has passed down for generations and heartbreakingly are not able to be viewed by the public anymore and appreciated as an incredibly important part of French history. What do you guys think about this wild story slash conspiracy? Is it a person on the inside? Was this a DEI hire? Was this all just to sit around.
Co-host/Producer
And wear these jewels at home? I have got to know your thoughts, so please put them in the comments.
Isabel Brown
Tons of you guys asked for us to respond both to how celebrities are dressing their kids and this fire Dolce and Gabbana collection that is haunting my dreams in the best possible way. So we love responding to your topic and guest suggestions here on the Isabel Brown Show. We want to cover what you guys want to talk about. This is a community of truth seekers, not just the random musings of my brain. If you guys have any stories or any guests that you're really hoping that we feature in the next couple of days or weeks, please drop them in the comments of today's episode. Send me a DM on Instagram. Do what you got to do. Because this is a conversation for all of us and we want all of you guys to be weighing in. Don't forget to subscribe to the channel wherever you are watching and or listening. And make sure to give us a five star review on podcast platforms as we continue to grow. One day at a time. Get the drip going in your house. We may not be able to afford Dolce and Gabbana Catholic robes to walk around in in society, but let's bring back some fashion and beauty back to society. Okay, people, let's get on it. We'll see you well dressed tomorrow for.
Co-host/Producer
The Isabel Brown show.
Nat
Nat, say something that'll get us canceled. If you really want me to. Friendly fire is back. Should we ever do this again? No, no. Safe zones do not unify around your crazies. I don't want your olive branch.
Isabel Brown
Screw you.
Link Lauren
It's absolutely despicable.
Nat
Nothing off limits. You will get to sound off on whether or not black people are disabled as the Supreme Court reliably. Huge announcements. Brand new, massive, incredible series. The Pendragon cycle. Ambitious and big and beautiful. And this is the thing that sets us apart. More revelations on the way. I just want to make one more point here and then you can say whatever you want. I'm not going to play that game with you.
Link Lauren
What makes you a conservative? No, I don't think that's right.
Nat
Well, hold on. Let's just. I just want to say I agree with that.
Link Lauren
I totally disagree with it.
Nat
I have to say that friendly fire October 29, 7pm Eastern. The friendly fire should stop across the board and.
Link Lauren
You mean the show?
Nat
Not just that, you. I think that the show.
The Isabel Brown Show – "What REALLY Happened At The Louvre, Celebrities Exploiting Their Kids, & High Fashion's Shocking Comeback"
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Guests: Link Lauren (Host of "Spot On with Link Lauren"), Co-hosts/Producer
Date: October 23, 2025
In this episode, Isabel Brown examines recent controversies and cultural shifts regarding beauty, fashion, and celebrity parenting, exploring the larger implications for Western civilization. The conversation spans from celebrities dressing their children in provocative ways, to a renaissance of beauty in high fashion, and wraps up with a baffling, movie-like heist at the Louvre. Isabel and her guest Link Lauren offer incisive, unapologetically opinionated perspectives, tying cultural surface-level trends to deeper societal undercurrents.
(00:26–05:53; 25:46–36:24)
The "Ugliness" Trend: Isabel opens by noting a shift in high fashion towards "ugliness" and androgyny, suggesting this deconstruction of beauty is a continuation of a decades-long trend to break down objective standards—in art, architecture, and beyond.
Absurdity at Fashion Week: The co-host recounts a recent Paris Fashion Week prank where someone walked the runway in a garbage bag and was applauded before being apprehended (05:06–05:53), underlining the confusion over what now counts as “fashion” or “art.”
(05:53–22:56)
North West’s Outfits Generate Outrage: The focal controversy: Kim Kardashian and Kanye West's daughter North West—a 12-year-old—appearing on red carpets in overtly mature, sexualized attire, including push-up bras and fake tattoos.
TikTok commentary:
Discussion Points:
Link Lauren’s Take:
Isabel: "I see a tortured soul, lost woman who has had a very dark several decades of her life and needs help escaping that. And it just makes me wonder what conversations are happening at home." (14:56)
Comparisons to Blue Ivy and Other Celebrity Kids:
Beyonce’s daughter Blue Ivy (age 12) also wore an arguably mature ball gown, but TikTokers and the hosts parsed the difference—Blue Ivy’s look, while not ideal, was less overtly adult and more formal.
Examples of Age-Appropriate Dressing:
Broader Trend – Celebrity Kids and Trans Identity:
(22:56–29:46)
Kardashians, Flip-Flopping Standards, and Body Dysmorphia:
Isabel and Link argue that changing beauty standards pushed by influencers (e.g., big butts, now slimming down with Ozempic) are designed to keep girls—especially impressionable ones—feeling unworthy.
Isabel draws a parallel to conflicting health/diet advice and a general societal confusion over what is “good,” with interesting asides on “seed oils” vs. traditional fats.
Kim Kardashian’s Masked Red Carpet Look:
Kim K’s recent appearance in a full-face-covering “high fashion” mask prompts Link Lauren to call it degrading and question the aim of erasing individuality (26:29).
The culture clash is highlighted:
Despite comedic asides (Link’s pillowcase “review,” 2/10 rating), the point is that both trends—shapeless anonymity and sexualization—are departures from true, transcendent beauty.
(29:46–36:24)
Isabel expresses hope as fashion houses return to objectively beautiful, tradition-inspired designs.
Dolce & Gabbana’s Rome fashion show, inspired by Catholic liturgy and tradition, is celebrated as a refreshing counter to recent trends.
The Monstrance-inspired armor and biblical/statue references are dissected and praised for their depth of symbolism.
(41:56–47:30)
Isabel recaps the elaborate, real-world heist at the Louvre—the theft of royal French jewelry including diamond-covered pieces once belonging to Napoleon III’s wife.
"They are estimating up to 600 million plus euros in value missing from the Louvre now because of this heist. This is insane. Look at these…That has like 24,000 individual diamonds in it." — Isabel (46:04)
Questions arise about how/why the security lapse occurred (DEI implications, inside job?) (46:37), but the hosts agree:
(36:24–41:56; Episode Close)
Isabel argues that the embrace or rejection of objective beauty reflects a society’s stance toward the divine, tradition, and the good.
She encourages the audience to contribute their perspectives, reinforcing the show’s “community of truth seekers” ethos (47:30).
On high fashion’s descent:
On Northwest’s public outfits:
On shifting standards for women:
On Kim K’s mask:
On the D&G Roman Catholic collection:
On the Louvre heist:
| Segment | Topic | Timestamps | |---------|-------|------------| | 1 | Ugliness in high fashion | 00:26–05:53 | | 2 | Celebrities exploiting their kids’ image, Northwest | 05:53–15:26 | | 3 | Blue Ivy, age-appropriate looks, cultural comparisons | 18:16–21:07 | | 4 | Trans identity trends among celeb kids, Kardashian body image | 21:16–25:46 | | 5 | Kim Kardashian’s mask & commentary | 25:46–29:46 | | 6 | Dolce & Gabbana’s Catholic collection | 29:46–36:24 | | 7 | Why beauty matters in culture | 36:24–41:56 | | 8 | The Louvre jewelry heist | 41:56–47:30 |
The episode weaves together the spectacle and absurdity of current pop culture—from runway pranks to provocative celebrity parents—tying them to deeper questions about the soul of Western civilization. Isabel and Link suggest that the trend towards ugliness and confusion in fashion and popular culture mirrors a crisis of meaning, while new signs of beauty resurrected in high fashion and the popular hunger for tradition may signal a hopeful turn. The real-world Louvre heist, bizarre and cinematic, underscores the theme: even thieves recognize what’s truly beautiful.
Why does it matter?
Because, as Isabel argues, beauty is not just taste—it’s civilization’s commitment to the good, the true, and the divine.