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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Because there is already Sharia law in London. It's called hate speech laws and Islamophobia laws. See, Islamophobia laws are blasphemy laws, and hate speech laws and conversion laws are simply what you call apostasy laws. So London is already under secular Sharia law, which is hate speech laws, which is speech that they hate, facts that they don't like the realities. Sharia law is already in the West.
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Isabel Brown
It's election day in America and your girl is headed to the belly of the beast. New York City.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Woof.
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Isabel Brown
I'm going to be making my CNN debut this evening on the CNN streaming coverage night starting at 8:30pm Eastern Time. Charlemagne the God is co hosting with Ben Shapiro, our very own Ben Shapiro. And I will be joining Anna Kasparian and others on this panel to analyze what is happening in New York City, in New Jersey, in Virginia, and what this means for the rest of America. So I hope you will join us in talking about the future of our country and how much elections matter. But I wanted to spend today's episode really diving into the microcosm of New York City and why it matters at large, not just for the state of New York or the state of American politics, but really the state of Western civilization. Because let's face it, the Mamdani election has started a national conversation that frankly, up to this point, Americans have been way too embarrassed, timid or afraid to have in the first place. And it's this clash, this intersection between Islamic Eastern values and Western values in what was established to be a Christian country. We are having to ask ourselves in real time whether the values espoused by someone like a Zoran Mamdani, which we'll get into here in a second, are even compatible with a New York City or a New York State or a United States of America or Western civilization at large. This conversation is unfolding very rapidly in real time and certainly will have all of its consequences tonight at the ballot box when New York definitively makes their decision for who should be the next mayor of New York City. And I know what you might be thinking, Isabel. You're not a New Yorker. Isabel, frankly, you hate New York. You have a 48 hour rule in New York. Why are you of all people, so invested in the outcome of the New York City mayoral election? Because New York City is the cultural hub, maybe not even of just the United States of America, but certainly of the West. The iconography of the Statue of Liberty and what it is supposed to represent, the reality of the NOW memorial at The World Trade center with what happened on 9 11, the cultural exports of fashion and media and so much more that come out of New York never influences just Manhattan. It influences the rest of our country and it influences the world at large. This, make no mistake about it, this election will be a blueprint of this microcosm of New York City for what could happen in the rest of our country, in your zip code and in the rest of our world. And we certainly are seeing similar conversations start to happen in London, in Edinburgh, in Paris, in Berlin, all over Europe and Western civilization at large. I want to start with this because in the last 24 hours or so there's been a whole lot of back and forth conversation about this clash between the Islamic Muslim values of Azoran Mamdani and the progressive political policies that he claims to espouse. He took a trip as one of his last ditch campaign efforts in New York City to a gay nightclub at one in the morning in Manhattan. And this video is going incredibly viral on X to show just how progressive and welcoming and inclusive and cool Zo Ron Momdani actually is. Watch this.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
6Am to 9pm So I want to know, are you ready to win this race? Are you ready to beat Andrew?
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Isabel Brown
You see every phone come out to take a picture or a video. People are screaming at the top of their lungs. There's another view from behind the soundboard and behind the stage here of what this looked like from a pretty notorious Instagrammer named Matt Bernstein, who you may be familiar with his posts from the last couple of Watch this.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Are we ready to beat Andrew Cuomo? Are we ready to win a city we can afford? Are we ready to make history? Let's go out there and do it.
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Isabel Brown
Thank you my friends. You saw that on the screen there. It's 1am and Zoran Mamdani just showed up to the gay bar posted by this guy Matt Bernstein, who if you're unfamiliar with, he posted a photo of himself and mom Donnie actually on his Instagram the other day, but has almost 2 million Instagram followers and regularly posts little swipe throughs of what's going on in politics through the progressive lens. Of course, the pronouns he they are in his bio and his Instagram bio literally is a queer Jew with long nails. Nice. He posted this with himself and mom Donnie and this I think is part of a much larger conversation about the cultural image that Zo Run Momdani is cultivating. Going into the last ditch Hail Mary last few days and hours of this campaign, Emily Austin had tweeted underneath something else. You're a queer Jew. I'm sure Mom Donnie loves you with a laughing, crying emoji. And Matt posted on his Instagram, a queer Jew and a straight Muslim supporting each other because our differences are not as important as our shared belief in each other's humanity. If you need a scapegoat to feel safe, whether they're Muslim, queer, or any other minority, you just aren't thinking big enough. Hmm. I'd like to think that that type of radical acceptance and unity in the United States of America is possible. I certainly think there are those who genuinely believe that Matt being just one of those people. But when I'm watching all of the latest cool woke things and people line up to support Zohran Momdani, from some of the most consequential politicians in our society to movie stars and celebrities and influencers, I have to wonder what this guy actually stands for, what his deepest held values truly are. Because he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth, maybe just to pander to different groups of people. And we certainly see that from politicians all the time in the United States of America on both sides of the political spectrum, for the record. But he is. He's speaking out of two sides of his mouth to say, I am this, but I am also this. And these multiple things are radically at odds with one another. And that's exactly what I want to unpack together on the show. That, of course, doesn't really seem to matter to most people who are just getting in line to support the new darling of the Democrat party. Heck, even Ms. Rachel. Ms. Rachel interviewed Zo Run Momdhani on her social media and posted a picture of them together on her Instagram. Here I have this picture for you guys. They're all smiling, they're laughing, and she is championing all of Zoran Mandani's policies. Ms. Rachel, of course, being like the number one children's YouTuber has hundreds of millions, literally hundreds of millions of people who watch her content every single day across the world. And she's a baby and toddler YouTuber, and she is interviewing Zo Ron Momdani. So you're watching this rollout of the red carpet as he is branded the new darling of the Democrat Party. And it starts to beg the question, who is this guy really? What is he running for? Really, what is he actually campaigning for? Which we'll get to at the end of the episode. But more important than what he's campaigning for, who is he? Who is he? What is what are his deepest held values? What is his blueprint for success as an individual, let alone as the mayor of New York? And what types of values is he going to bring to serving the people of New York? These are all valid questions that I think we deserve to be asking and answering. Months and months ago, over the summer, just before, or actually rather just right after, I believe, Zoran won the primary election, Michael Knowles did a fascinating breakdown of who he thought Zoran Mamdani was. On the Michael Knowles show, he said, many people are calling this guy anti American. But interestingly, he's arguably more assimilated to New York culture than like conservatives are because he's just randomly attaching himself to various woke talking points depending on what's fashionable that particular day. Michael worded it way better than I ever could. So here you can listen to him.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
He's. He's in many ways more assimilated than many right wingers in America.
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Isabel Brown
He's assimilated to liberal culture in New York. Queer. What was it? Queer liberation means defund the police.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Oh, man, that is bad. That is bad. This guy, Zoran Mamdani strikes me as.
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Isabel Brown
Muslim in the way that Joe Biden is Catholic. Michael really focused in on his story there months and months and months ago on the question of is Zo Ron Mamdani actually Muslim? Michael said, no. He strikes me as Muslim in the way that Joe Biden is Catholic, not really Catholic. He certainly doesn't believe in the tenets of the church and what the catechism upholds as church social teaching. He doesn't put those things into practice as an elected official. And so you could take one approach and say, eh, he won't really enact Muslim principles in office because he's not really a Muslim. He might say that he is, but he's not really a practicing Muslim. But we're watching this tension start to unfold in real time, especially in the pandering that I'm seeing from Zohran Mamdani toward the LGBTQ + community and toward the Muslim community in New York City. For every time he shows up at 1am to a gay nightclub and a gay bar and dance on stage to techno music and say, who's ready to live in a city that's affordable?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Woo.
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Isabel Brown
Who's ready to put Andrew Cuomo back in his place?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Whoa.
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Isabel Brown
And he seems super cool in that regard and very woke and progressive and rainbow washed. He's also showing up to mosques across New York City and telling Muslims that they have an opportunity which we'll get to in a second, an opportunity to enact Muslim values in City hall and beyond in New York City. That doesn't seem to bother certain people like Representative Tim Sarah McBride here in Congress, who took it upon himself to defend Zoran Mamdani and his clear alliance with the LGBTQ community. Listen to this.
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Tim McBride
Here's what we're not going to do. We are not going to have the same people who have been rejecting purity politics from the center now disingenuously use purity politics against progressive candidates like Zoran Mamzani. This is something we've been seeing for a while now in the New York mayor's race. It's not new in our party, unfortunately, but we've seen the same people who have not wrongly said that we have to build a big tent, that we have to reject people purity politics, even on issues that might be deeply personal for many of us in the Democratic coalition. Those same people now, I think disingenuously using purity politics and identity politics to try to cancel people like Zoran Mamdani, saying that individual positions like his position on Israel and Palestine are disqualifying and in some cases fabricating words that he never said and putting them in his mouth. And now some appallingly are trying to cancel him for his nationality, trying to cancel him for having dual citizenship because the country that he has dual citizenship in has a government that has anti gay politics. It's like cancel culture, identity politics, inception. Now, look, there are obviously lines that, that, that, that exist and reasonable critiques that people can have. And obviously there are behaviors that can cross a line. And I think in some other races we're seeing important conversations around that. But we are not going to have the same people who have criticized purity politics on the left. Now employ it from the center. It's not purity politics for me and not for thee. Nope.
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Isabel Brown
First of all, I don't Even know what 90% of those words strung together were actually supposed to mean. That felt like a Kamala Harris word salad moment. It is time to be unburdened by this type of political rhetoric because it literally means nothing. Like these people just string academic sounding words together and generally try to put a coherent thought into 45 seconds that could have been said in three. But the gist there is that Tim McBride is basically saying, Congressman McBride is basically saying you can't have any sort of ramifications for if someone says something problematic when they're running for office as long as they're on our side. Ironically, that's the exact opposite of how the political left tends to operate. They are the ones that with a bullet point list that if you remotely waver from, they kick you off the reservation, they immediately expel you from the island. They say you are no longer welcome in our political movement. How many times have we had to see that over and over and over again, even down to like the John Fettermans of the world. You're not liberal or leftist or progressive enough for us. So out you go, goodbye. You are not welcome here. They're saying the opposite of what they actually practice. But really what was said there is. There are some people on the left that are trying to cancel Zo Ron Momdani. I don't really see a whole lot of that, by the way. I think that's pretty inflammatory language. But they're trying to cancel Zoran Mamdani because of X, Y, Z. Just one of those critiques in this last week being the fact that he is a practicing Muslim, has refused to denounce Sharia law, which is the legal inaction of Muslim principles of Islamic beliefs into legal systems in countries that Muslims reside in. And because of that, clearly he's anti LGBTQ in practice, even if that's not what he's saying at gay nightclubs at one in the morning. But this is a chance for the progressive left, so don't call that out. Don't be asking questions about it. Don't be saying, hang on, that does not really coincide or work with or gel with that over here. Because then you are a bad Democrat and he is the new face of the Democrat Party full stop. Says the transgender member of Congress, who in any Muslim majority country would probably be stoned to death or kicked off of a building for choosing to live as a woman instead of biologically as a man, and never would have the chance to say any of those things out loud from a position of elected office, because elected office doesn't exist in Muslim majority countries. But I digress back to asking all of the important questions in just a second. But first, I am dying to tell you about our friends at ExpressVPN. A few decades ago, your private life stayed private no matter what. But then came the Internet. 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Expressvpn.com Isabel so this tension is unfolding very, very quickly and I think for every clip that we're seeing go viral of super cool, edgy, rainbow washed culturally, a leader like almost Obama yassified Zoran Mamdani going to gay nightclubs at one in the morning to try to get the last few votes that he possibly can for mayor of New York City. There are other clips that have surfaced, plenty over the last several months of this guy being incredibly honest allegedly about who he really is, what his deepest held values actually are. And we need to confront the question, is this compatible with liberal or leftist left wing political ideology in America? We know that it's not from the right, so I'm not really interested in asking that question, but especially as we get into this conversation on CNN tonight and I'm working out how I'm going to approach this in real time, I think it begs the question, is the Democrat party, is the political left really a big tent? Because I Hear clips like this one of Zohran Mamdani claiming that it's important for Muslims in New York to embrace the full fullness of what it means to be Muslim. The fullness of Islam. But then he goes and visits gay nightclubs. Listen to his words.
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Zoran Mamdani
Six years ago, shortly after I had announced I was running for assembly, a well meaning Muslim uncle pulled me aside. He smiled softly and looked at me with care. In a quiet voice, he told me I did not have to tell people I was Muslim. His eyes kind, his beard proud, and his face heavy with the implication of the unsaid. I had not learned the lesson that he had been taught time and again. It is the lesson that safety could only be found in the shadows of our city. That it is in those shadows alone where Muslims could embrace the fullness of our own identities. And that if we are to emerge from them, then it is in those shadows where we must leave our faith. These are lessons that so many Muslim New Yorkers have been taught again and again and over these last few days. These are the lessons that have become the closing message of Andrew Cuomo, Curtis Sliwa and Eric Adams.
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Isabel Brown
So he's blaming his political adversaries, the people who were running against him in the Democrat primary for New York City mayor, to say, okay, historically, throughout my lifetime, I have been taught to hide my faith, to hide my deepest held religious values in the shadows of New York City culture, of Manhattanite culture, and the only safe place to espouse the fullness of Islam. His words, not mine, are in the shadows, hiding from the rest of New York City and American culture. But it's important to emerge from the shadows. That's what I, Zohran Mamdani, am offering you, that Eric Adams, Andrew Cuomo and Curtis Sliwa could not possibly offer you in this run, could not possibly offer you as mayor of New York City. You will never be able to emerge from the shadows unapologetically embracing the fullness of Islam unless I am elected your mayor. So what is that? What? What is the fullness of Islam? Is that not a valid question for New Yorkers and Americans at large to be asking? Is that compatible with. With the other lifestyles that we've also seen you support on the campaign trail, like LGBTQ+Lifestyles? Is that supposed to reflect the Islamic majority rule that we see in majority Muslim countries? That, of course, is manifested in Sharia law, which by definition is literally just Islamic law from the Quran put into legal systems in society. I don't know. He won't let us ask. There certainly won't be any answers to that on the campaign trail, because when he's confronted with those questions, like he was by this Trump supporter wearing his dark MAGA hat in New York City, we love to see that when he's confronted by the people, by his potential constituents with these questions, he pretends to not even know what Sharia law is. This was posted to X just a few days ago.
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Tim McBride
I'm asking you.
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Zoran Mamdani
I am running.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
I know, but I'm asking you. That's the point.
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Isabel Brown
If you're going to run for mayor.
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Tim McBride
You have to denounce it.
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Zoran Mamdani
What is Sharia law?
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Isabel Brown
What? What is Sharia law? I've never heard of this before. It's giving. What is Aleppo? Which I haven't thought about in a very long time in American politics, but what even is that? I have no idea what you're talking about. This from the same guy who also just a few days ago, ran an advertisement for mayor completely in Arabic, not in English, completely in Arabic. I want you to watch this commercial, his ad that he put out himself, his team put this out voluntarily of Zoran Mamdani's run for New York City mayor. And tell me how many American flags or references to the United States States you count in this video.
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Zoran Mamdani
Wasar sab naish fiha wan rabbi hanaka onda rajam wa adman ri Ayat aladfal chamil Ali kulal Isia bistanwi atyab in New Jersey. Bas bawatkum in Nirahashtar. Bikuljah alikum bifatah mashriyakum as Sahira watitfa watabnu mustakbalakum fi medinat. New York.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
November.
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Isabel Brown
That's what a good one.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Yes.
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Isabel Brown
How many American flags did you count in that video? There was almost the same number of references to Damascus as there were to the city of New York in that video. And of course, not a single word of English was spoken. Never mind the fact that English is the language of the United States of America. It certainly is the language of New York City. There are other languages spoken, certainly as second languages. But who are you asking to vote for you, then? Only people who speak Arabic. That's such an interesting choice. Just noticing. Just noticing things from the. From the guy who says that he doesn't know what Sharia law is. Running an entire advertisement for mayor. Running for mayor, asking for your vote entirely in Arabic just before the primary election, months and months ago, over the summer, that he clinched the nomination for Zoran took a trip to a mosque in New York. This later ended up coming up on the campaign trail as well. And in the debates that he had with Andrew Cuomo and Curtis Lewa and how important it is for the mayor of New York to regularly be visiting mosques. But one person in particular in attendance at this mosque took a video of Zoran's message to the men in attendance. Reminder. This is the same guy who is visiting gay nightclubs at one in the morning and tells you that he doesn't know what Sharia law even is. Specifically speaking to the Muslim men in New York City, having an unprecedented, in his words, opportunity to never back down from Islamic values and to bring them to City Hall. Listen to him tell you this.
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Zoran Mamdani
The pressure, no matter the attacks, I will not move on those principles. And I tell you, brothers and sisters and sisters of this masjid, that we have an opportunity starting tomorrow for early voting until election day on June 24, an opportunity to show that New Yorkers want that consistency. They want those principles. They want a belief in humanity and Alhamdulillah. In this city, we have a million Muslims. 200,000 of us are registered as Democrats. But in the last election, only 7% of us voted. Now, I will not judge anyone in our community because often it feels like there's not much to vote for. But this year, we have an opportunity. We have an opportunity. And I can tell you, I began this race at 1%, and today I am just 2% away from Andrew Cuomo, 2% away from City Hall, 2% away from making history. And that is why every day, a new Republican billionaire puts a million dollars into this race to attack. But I know that I have something they do not have, which is the support of people across the sea. So I ask you to tell everyone in your life that this election is here, to tell them what's on the ballot and to tell them that we as Muslims deserve what everybody other community deserves, equality and respect. But we know that in this city and in this country, we are not going to be given those things. We have to win those things. And one way we win them is at the ballot box. So I ask you, when you go and vote, remember, it is our opportunity to show that Muslims don't just belong in New York City, we belong in City Hall. Thank you so much.
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Isabel Brown
Let's tell the world that Muslims belong not just in New York City, but in City hall, that we have an opportunity to, at the beginning of that clip, never back down from our most deeply held values as Muslims and to bring those values on the campaign trail, to the ballot box and to City hall in New York City and beyond. Before I even remotely go any further in this conversation, am I saying that it is impossible to be an assimilated New Yorker or an amazing American citizen and contribute something great to our society and also be Muslim? No, I'm not saying that. There are plenty of Muslim immigrants to this country at the individual level who have done an amazing job assimilating to the United States, are productive members of society, might disagree with me on the deepest held values of theology, and are Americans through and through. This is an important question for us to be asking though. Is institutionalized Islam? Is the inaction of Islamic values into American systems of governance compatible with the United States of America, compatible with Western civilization? I am not going to be able to answer that question for you today on this episode. I think it's a question that we need to wrestle with as a society for a long time and have an honest, transparent, authentic conversation about. But when I do like the bare minimum research digging into I don't know what sect of Islam Zoran Mamdani himself practices quite openly, he's very honest about it and I appreciate his honesty, transparency and authenticity about this because I am honest and transparent about where I'm coming from. I think every person with a platform and trying to impact culture and politics in whatever way they can should be. Just as I appreciate JD Vance for being incredibly honest about the fact that he is Catholic and he's not apologizing for it, I am glad that Zoran Mamdani is honest and transparent about the fact that he is a Twelver Shia Muslim, which is the vast majority of Shia Muslims worldwide. Well over 80% of Shia Muslims worldwide practice Twelver Shia Islam. It's the largest branch of Shia Islamic that specifically also by the way is practiced by the Ayatollahs of Iran. So we have kind of a litmus test for what this looks like as that coincides with governance systems across the world. And he is unapologetic about it. He's honest about it. Okay, so then let's ask ourselves this. If indeed you are a member of 12 or Shia Islam and you're unapologetic about it, then typically if you're a good Muslim you would believe that that same sex acts are haram under Islam, they are forbidden and they are punishable by very, very serious consequences in the countries whose governance Systems are run by 12 or Shia Muslim ideology or in more simple terms sharia law in 10 countries across the world by the way, it is legally, institutionally forbidden to be gay to the point of being killed. You will be executed for being gay and those countries are governed by Sharia law driven by 12 or Shia Islam. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, Mauritiania, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Pakistan and Afghanistan will all unapologetically kill you for engaging in a same sex sexual act. But it's like cool if we go to gay nightclubs, right? It's cool if we tell the LGBTQ community that you should be more gay in New York, right? They are fundamentally incompatible. So my question for Zoran Mamdani is are you lying about your Muslim faith? Which seems pathetic. Honestly, those are your deepest held values. You should be honest about at least that. Or are you lying about how you feel about progressive politics in America? Is the LGBTQ community or whatever group we're just pandering to for the next five minutes just a set of useful idiots to get you elected to office? And the fact that we're not even being willing to ask these questions, at least in the legacy media, is really embarrassing for us, honestly, because we know the answer. You're lying about one of them and it's time for you to at least be honest about that. Because if you have lied about your most deeply held personal values and belief systems, what else are you possibly lying about? Don't go anywhere. 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You can turn your big ideas into With Shopify on your side, sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/isabelle Go to shopify.com isabelle if you endorse the fact that in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, Mauritiania, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Pakistan, Afghanistan and many other places in the world, maybe not nationally, institutionally it is okay. It is in accordance with the tenets of your faith to be executed for engaging in a same sex act. Why are you also campaigning at gay nightclubs at one in the morning? Do you see where we're going with the questions? And I wish we had had more time to ask them in the whirlwind of the last six months because Lord knows the mainstream media is not asking them. The bottom line is that Zoran Mamdani claims that he doesn't agree. Maybe. I mean, he hasn't even been asked these questions publicly, so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Had he been confronted with these questions up front, he probably would say, well yeah, like other people might believe that, but I don't personally believe that. Okay, well, the Grand Ayatollah of Iran is on record saying homosexuality is forbidden, the active partner must be killed in the most severe way. The Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ayatollah Khamenei of Iran said sodomy is among the greatest sins. The doer must must be killed. Not once has a teacher of twelver Shia Islam ever issued a fatwa or a declaration religiously allowing gay or same sex marriage to the contrary. Actually, according to this section of Islam, same sex marriage is legally impossible and automatically void. It literally doesn't exist. So if I'm one of these New Yorkers dancing at a nightclub at one in the morning, who has pronouns? He, they in my bio and 2 million Instagram followers boasting about the fact that I am gay, I'm a queer Jew. I'm honestly offended. And you should be offended that this guy is treating you like a Useful idiot. Lying to your face about what he really believes to get elected to political power in this country. That's disgusting. Like, at least just be honest about where you're coming from. But this larger question of Islam being compatible with Western civilization, I think needs to have this election as a catalyst for. Because chances are Zoran Mamdani is going to be the next mayor of New York City. He just is. But this also has consequences for other cities across the United States. It has consequences for our national federal government, and it has consequences for the future of Western civilization at large. We already have seen what's happening in the UK and in Europe, but there's this concept of the United States being the next domino to fall. And I guess as I'm working through these questions in real time, and I hope that you guys are working through them in real time as well, I'm not going to pretend to have the answers, per se. It's dawning on me that we are being screamed at louder with every passing day by people in the legacy media, by people on the political left, in Congress, by influencers with 2 million followers on Instagram, that this is all about saving democracy. These are the same people who have gone to all of the no Kings protests across the country in the last several months, every weekend, to say, we're so afraid of authoritarian power and dictatorships. And Donald Trump is a king that has moved into the White House. And what's their new talking point? The East Wing renovations are a scam and he's building a new bunker under the White House because he doesn't plan on leaving. This is your warning sign for authoritarian dictatorship in the United States. These people who are screaming this at us are also cheering louder than they have ever cheered for a modern politician. For someone who cannot denounce Sharia law, is that not troubling to anyone else? I mean, the truth is, Islam as an institution doesn't believe in democracy. It just doesn't name me a single truly democratic Muslim country in the world. They believe in theocracy. There is not a democratic state in Iran. Afghanistan is not a democratic state. Saudi Arabia is not a democratic state. Qatar is not a democratic state. Nigeria is not a democratic state. Somalia is not a democratic state. Let's ask ourselves, how are Christians doing this week in Nigeria, in Sudan? How are LGBTQ plus people doing in Saudi Arabia where gay people can legally be flogged as a punishment for being gay, imprisoned, killed, or deported? By the way, that is an official policy of the Saudi Arabian government to deport gay people for being gay. And I thought we were, like, really worried about deportations, especially of people with legal citizenship status. Thought we were calling ICE the literal death eaters of American culture. They're rounding people up and putting them in prison. Imagine being deported for being gay. How are women doing in Afghanistan right now? Hmm? So, honestly, we do need to have a conversation about the compatibility between those who wholeheartedly, fundamentally believe in the tenets of Islam and. And Western culture and society. And I hope that conversation gets a whole lot louder after election day today. But this election is a linchpin, a turning point, a cornerstone in what we need to be bold enough to confront now before things get way too off the rails very, very quickly, because we were afraid to ask the right questions when we had the chance to ask the right questions. And honestly, I just don't even really care about being called mean names in the process of this anymore because I am so passionate about basic Western human rights, like freedom of expression, like women not being treated as property and being able to legally speak. Have a voice, use your voice out loud in the public square, which women in Afghanistan cannot do today because I care about standards of education for women in society. And I want us to have the same opportunities to educate ourselves, to have jobs, to participate in public office. I want women to be able to drive. I don't want gay people to be flogged or stoned to death for being gay. I just. I don't know. I cannot be the only person who is genuinely concerned that we are cheering for potentially, and I'm not saying this is necessarily true, but potentially a Trojan horse of Sharia law with the most progressive, new cool darling of the Democrat Party. In our next couple minutes on the show, I want to bring in a friend of mine, somebody who I was really excited to meet at Liberty University last week. I've been following him and his brother for a very long time. His name is Pastor Andrew Sedra. If you are not familiar with Andrew's story, he grew up as the the son of a Christian pastor in Egypt and very regularly had to fear for his life in Egypt as the country was being taken over by Islam. What used to be a vast majority Christian country is not anymore. And Christians, particularly Coptic Christians, fear for their lives every single day. Living in Egypt, they ended up fleeing religious persecution and seeking refugee status in Australia, where now he and his brother have planted a church in Africa, South Sydney. And our pastors courageously preaching the word of God and speaking up for the whole world about what this pipeline from Western civilization to Sharia law looks like very, very quickly before our very eyes. I'm so excited for you to hear his story and his warning for the west as it pertains to this election and beyond and how we have this conversation as a society boldly and without fear of retribution. Please, please join me in welcoming Pastor Andrew Sedra to the show. Pastor Andrew Sedra, I'm so excited for you to be joining us on the show. We shared the stage at Liberty University a couple of days ago, and you are making your way all across the United States right now. Real quick, for those not very familiar with you and your brother, tell us a little bit about who you guys are.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Hey, my name is Andrew. We were. I have a big family, the Cedra crew. We were born in the Islamic world of Egypt, so we kind of came to the west as religious refugees because my dad was preaching the gospel and converting Muslims to Christian, which is literally punishable by. You either get killed on the street by some radical Islamic group or you will end up going to jail for blasphemy and apostasy law. So me and my whole entire Sedra clan, Sedra family, we literally fled religious persecution to come to the west for daring to practice Christianity in the public square, to being Christian, not just in private, but in public, but more than anything, just simply preaching the word of the Lord and declaring the truth in the public square. So I'm very passionate about freedom, liberty, life, and the pursuit of happiness. And I'm very passionate about freedom of speech, and I'm really very passionate about exposing this very big demon that is being fed at the moment across America and the West. The demon of Islam.
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Isabel Brown
Hmm. That's a fascinating word of choice right there. And we're watching this larger conversation really start to unfold in the more religious sense in the west, in the political sense, certainly in the United States of America. You guys live in Australia, so I love hearing that this is a larger conversation for Western civilization at large across the world. But why is it that you call this a demon or a cancer or a big infiltration into Western civilization, knowing what you know from growing up in Egypt?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
One of the biggest issues across America I see at the moment, as I see the larger debate of Israel, Islam, Zionism, whatever you want to call it, is that for some reason, people do not read history. Egypt, where I was born, used to be a Christian country and now it's Islamic country. Islam took over Egypt by unholy holy jihad in 637 AD. And when Islam took Egypt, Egypt was the center of Christendom. You had Father Athanasius, the writer of the Nicene Creed. You had Augustine, that used to go from Libya and Algeria to Egypt. You had the Alexandrian systematic school of theology. You had one of the brightest, biggest churches. And Egypt was literally the hub of Christendom. Right now as you look, Egypt used to be Christian, now it's Muslim. Libya used to be Christian, now it's Muslim. Algeria used to be Christian, now it's Muslim. Syria used to be Christian, now it's Muslim. Iraq used to be Christian, now it's Muslim. Like Turkey used to be Christian. Constant noble, now it's Muslim. So the whole ancient church was destroyed, was destroyed, literally genocided by Islam in the last 1400 years. As you see now in Nigeria, what Islam has been doing the last 1400 years, since the moment of its initiation. Islam was an aggressive journey to kill Jews and annihilate Christianity from the land. So Egypt used to be 90% Christian. In 600 AD when Islam took over bifolds, they raped women, they killed the men, they enslaved the children, they burned the churches, they burned the Bibles. And now Egypt went from 90% Christian to 10% Christian, from 0% Muslims to 10% Muslims. So the reason I call it a demon is because America and the west are one of the few churches that are standing and Islam now is invading through silent, soft form jihad. And most Christians and conservatives do not seem to understand what the heck they're dealing with. So I call it a demon because it has literally destroyed the ancient church. The church of Antioch was destroyed by Islam, the Church of Alexandria was destroyed by Islam, the church of Jerusalem was destroyed by Islam, and the church of Constantinople was destroyed by Islam. The only church in the ancient world that actually survived Islam because of geographical reasons and they had an army was the Roman Catholic Church. That's the reason I call it a demon.
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Isabel Brown
Wow, that's really powerfully stated. And you called it something really interesting there towards the end, like a soft jihad. I hear the word jihad from a Western vantage point and I hear 9, 11, or holy war with armed, armed weapons. People who are literally beheading people and, and issuing this religious warfare. I don't often think about a quiet takeover of a society and yet I'm seeing a lot of clips lately about this very concept that there are imams living in the United States today who say that their primary objective through their congregation is to take over a certain city, a certain state, or even the entire country of the United States. Your brother recently appeared on A friend of ours podcast, Lila Rose and her show talking about this concept of taqiyah or what is allowed under Muslim philosophy to lie in order to spread the cause of Islam. What are you seeing about that in the us, in Australia and across Western civilization?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
So this is very important. Islam is a violent and totalitarian authoritarian political ideology that pretends to be a religion. It's very, very important for you to understand and fathom when an ideological framework that is fundamentally political and military and war type that is pretending to be a religious ideology in order to go through the lens of religious liberty. So it's very important. Islam is a totalitarian, authoritarian, one world order political ideology that pretends to be spiritual alignment. And the problem with most Christians and most Catholics across the west is that they cannot fathom the reality of what Islam is. There is no separation of mosque and state or church and state. So when Islam is winning, they use the classic unholy holy jihad which is taking over a nation by war. They did that to Egypt, they did that to Turkey. Turkey used to be 90% Christian, right now Turkey is 99% Muslim and 0.1% Christian. There was a genocide and there is a genocide of Christians in Turkey right now. But when Islam is losing, they use the other methodology, which is invasion by immigration. This is very, very important since. And the other way, what I'm saying would get me killed because you're not supposed to expose Islam as it is right now. According to Islam, I'm a blasphemer, which means I'm supposed to be killed publicly on the street by any Muslim or if I was an Islamic nation, I would go to jail and get tortured and die there under blasphemy laws. What I'm telling you right now, you're not allowed to say that in the Middle east. You would get killed. So going back. So when they're winning, they use war. When they're losing, they use immigration. If you study the life of Muhammad in the first 12 years of his life, when he initiated his demonic movement of Islam, it was started in Mecca and he went to Medina. After preaching for 12 years, he didn't get any followers, nobody really followed him except 80 people. It was like his mom, his wife, his dad, his close family. So he decided to emigrate from Mecca to Medina. And as he immigrated, he pretended to be the victim until he invaded the country, took over the system, spread, took over the army, created an army and then he declared war on the whole entire world. So when Islam is winning, they use war. When they're losing. They use immigration. There is no conspiracy about it. That is their theological philosophical again. You can literally google grok whatever I'm saying, it's not a conspiracy. So Islam at the moment is practicing the Jihad through immigration. So this is very interesting. For some reason 70 to 80% out of immigrants across the world are Muslim and all of them are fleeing to Christian nations. Nobody wants to go to Muslim nations.
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Isabel Brown
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
There are 50 Islamic nations, but for some reason every single. And that's coming, by the way, from a refugee myself. So if you say I'm racist, I'm xenophobe, I'm Islamophobe, I am an Islamophobe. It's kind of logical for an ancient Coptic Christian to be fearful of Islam that killed their whole entire civilization. So I am an Islamophobe, logically speaking. But. So Islam uses immigration as a point of invasion. And all you need to do, just look at what they preach on Friday. Like, this is simple. You have came across, like they say, America will be Muslim, New York will be Muslim, the whole world will be Muslim. And then looking back to New York, this is very interesting because 911 was their unholy holy jihad using war. And because they didn't win using 9 11, now you're seeing the whole invasion by immigration. This is an old trick in the book. And not just that in 2000, there were 1 million Muslims in America. Across the last 25 years, now there are 4 million Muslims in America. In fact, by 2015, Islam will double to 8 million people. And Christianity is anticipated, according to the current trajectory, to be less than 50% of the country. And this is no conspiracy. Like, you can look at London. The most common baby name in London at the moment is not J.K. chesterton. It's not C.S. lewis. It's not Winston Churchill. Is Muhammad. Is Muhammad the most common name right now in Berlin, in Germany is not Adolf Hitler. It's not Beethoven, it's not Karl Marx. It's not whoever you're into these days, Klaus Schwab, who's a German. It's actually Muhammad. So you can literally see across Europe how immigration has led to invasion. And what is so heartbreaking is that the New Yorkers for some reason didn't seem to learn from 9 11, which is like, mind blowing. It's like, dude, the Lord has given you a prophetic warning. Literally 3,000Americans were killed in 9 11. And for some reason, New Yorkers are not very aware that the Lord was kind to give them a literal manifestation of the demonic agenda of Islam of 9 11. But now we're having the discussion of having an Islamic mayor who was literally running. Like, yesterday I came over his advertising, it was in Arabic, and I'm like, what the heck? Why the hell are you running an American election ad in Arabic? So the sad reality, New York seems to be one of the first major cities in America that is about to be conquered by Islam. And it will be the blueprint for the Islamic invasion of America.
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Isabel Brown
That's so interesting that we focus in on New York. And I want to spend a few minutes here because I find this, exactly as you just said, a blueprint for whatever could come next in our country. To play devil's advocate a little bit here, and let's give some some fake credit for a second to the people who are advocating for this particular win in this election. There's a whole lot of people saying, well, yeah, Zoran Mamdani may be Muslim. He is Specifically the Twitter 12th Shia Muslim denomination of Islam, which is very intense. It's the vast majority of Islam. And we'll unpack that a little bit more in the episode here in a few minutes. But this guy doesn't really mean what he says, that he's an Islamic mayor, or he is refusing to denounce Sharia law, or he's saying this is an opportunity for Muslims to take over City hall in Manhattan and beyond, because clearly he's visiting gay nightclubs at one in the morning. And he says he's going to be very supportive of the LGBTQ community, and he says he wants to do all of these things to protect the marginalized. Something is not adding up there for me. So do you think he's being honest about his Muslim faith, or do you think he's being honest about being politically progressive? And how do those things reconcile with one another?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
So this is very important and controversial. Muslims are not like Christians. Christians tend to be very gay liberal, and they don't mean what they say. So when Muslims read the Quran, they actually believe it. There is no progressive Islam in Islam. So what people need to realize, whenever you're seeing a Muslim who tells you they are Muslim, you have to simply believe what they say. As a Muslim in Islam, there are two big principles that you have to be aware of. Here in the west, in Christendom, we believe in truth, is that you need to speak the truth, no matter what the cost, even if it cost you your life. That's why we have saints and martyrs that died for the faith, for simply speaking the truth, no matter what the cost. In Islam, they don't believe in truth. They believe in Taqiyyah. And the reason they don't believe in truth, because Islam is fundamentally is a religion of war. So I want you to get a perspective of how Islam and Muslims perceive the world. Islam splits the world to two different groups. It's either this piece of land, this piece of territory, this piece of country, and this piece of nation, Dar al Harb, which is a house of war, or it is Dar al Salem, which is a house of peace. So Islam perceives every single person, every single country, every single nation, every single, every single human civilization is either a place of peace and a place of war. So at the moment, Egypt is a place of peace because Egypt is majority Muslim, 90%. Egypt has infiltrated and conquered every Single institution in Egypt is under Islam and conquered by Islam. And not just that, Egypt is now under some form of Sharia law. So until a nation is majority Muslim is infiltrated, every single institution by Islam and number three is under Sharia law. It is not a house of peace, it's a house of war. So Zohra Madani, as a Muslim, he's practicing the principle of taqiyah. The principle of taqiyah is the opposite of truth. Because Islam is not a moral religion like Christianity, we believe in truth and lies. So we have like what you call virtue ethics, which means we believe you need to speak the truth. And lying, the end does not justify the means. Islam is a utilitarian religion. The end justifies the means. So the principle of taqiyah is designed is that you can lie in order to further the cause of Allah and in order to establish Sharia law on earth. So he's 100% practicing taqiyah. There is no negotiation about it. All you need to do is to look at his friends in London. You got Sadiq Khan in London, who is an Islamic mayor who has turned London into an Islamic state. Like right now, London. Across the last few years, at least hundred thousand white girls, most of them are Christians, were raped by Islamic Afghan men and they have literally chucked it under the carpet. Again, the principle of Taqiyyah. And what's crazy is that at least 70 to 80% of these rapes against English white girls are performed by Muslims and 30% of the rapes are done by someone called Muhammad. So you have to understand, he's practicing taqiyah. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So what's also about the LGBQ and the wokes and the socialists is that they fundamentally hate the Christian west, the Christian civilization, and they particularly hate America. Land of the free, home of the brave. So what's happening at the moment is unholy alliance between godless leftism, the gays and the lgbq, the queens for Palestine and between Islam and what they're doing at the moment. They're combining forces in order to defeat America, the West, Christianity and Christendom. Because dude, I lived in Egypt when 911 happened. I was 11 years old. I remember on the street as my very nice Muslim friends were celebrating on the street, dancing and screaming, victory to Allah and death to America. This is my own personal experience living in the Middle east when I was 10 years to 11 years old in 2001 when 911 happened. So I'm here from the future to Give America, and particularly New York a warning. It's time to turn back to Jesus, turn back to the Lord to repent of your sin, get your Christianity involved in your politics. But more than anything, to fight for a Christian nation. America will either be a Christian nation or a Muslim nation and the proof is in the pudding. God was very kind to give America a warning in 1991 and 1993 when there was literally an Islamic bomb that was about to destroy the Twin Towers and it stopped. America didn't listen. New Yorker didn't listen. 2001, you literally had the 911 when before that plane was about to crash into the World Trade center, that Muslim guy who was Egyptian Adghani and from Saudi Arabia, he literally said, go and check the records. Victory to Allah. Death to America. Allahu Akbar. That is why he literally said. And then for some reason New Yorkers, as they're becoming more secular, more liberal, more gay, because that's how civilization works, they go from strong Christian to soft liberal and gay. And before you know it, soft liberals and gays, they create a pathway for strong, masculine, aggressive Islamic men to take over. And again, there is no conspiracy about it. Just look in Sydney, right now in Sydney, we are watching an Islamic gay revolution. A few weeks ago we had hundred thousand quiz for Palestine and Muslims protest to free Palestine. If you look at London, if you look at Paris, if you look at Germany, if you look at Switzerland, just look across Europe. America is very blessed that there are countries that are getting conquered right now. All you need to do is to look at and see the pudding because there is already Sharia law in London. It's called hate speech laws and Islamophobia laws. See, Islamophobia laws are blasphemy laws and hate speech laws and conversion laws are simply what you call apostasy laws. So London is already under secular Sharia law, which is hate speech law, which is speech that they hate. It's facts that they don't like. So the reality is Sharia law is already in the West. It's already there. Like I preach this in, in, in Sydney and in the next two years what I'm saying will get me in jail.
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Isabel Brown
Yeah. So I'm sure it will.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
And it is the Islamic world for free.
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Isabel Brown
Yeah, well I'm sure it is going to happen to you guys and it is happening to people all across the UK and the EU right now. And you're right, this is in many ways a blessing I think to the United States, the same way Covid was a blessing to See just how far an authoritarian government will go to tell you what you can and can't do in your own life and what you must and must not inject into your body. This is in many ways the same like peek behind the curtain concept. For those that have yet to have this conversation though, and honestly, I can just say it's embarrassing, I think that it's taken the United States this long to have this conversation because we've been so afraid of being canceled, of being labeled a really mean word, of being fired from your job, or losing friends over this. But for those who are no longer afraid and they are willing to have this conversation, let me ask you this. Is it possible to be a Muslim leading in government and to not be actively advocating for Sharia law? What exactly by definition is Sharia law?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
So Sharia law. So Islam is a top down religion, it's not a bottom down religion. Islam does not spread by the preaching of the word. Islam only spreads by the power of the sword. The power of the sword looks like two things. It either looks like war literally killing people. That is why the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, but the blood of the infidel is the seed of Islam. So Muslims across the history, time, space and culture, you just need to research. They killed Christians, they killed Jews, they killed atheists, they killed gays, they killed socialists. The Quran literally tells them, kill the infidel wherever you find them. That infidel happens to be the Zionist. That infidel happened to be the Jew. That infidel happened to be the Christian. That infidel happened to be the gay. That infidel happened to be any person that doesn't subscribe to the Islamic doctrine. So Islam does not spread. The problem is you're viewing Islam as Christendom. The problem in America at the moment, I see on most of them conservative, right wing, is that they're unable to interpret Islam as it is, not as what you want it to be. So most Christians in America, they see Islam from the lens of Christianity, not see Islam through the lens of Islam. So Islam only spreads by war or by Sharia law, which is when you take over the government and Sharia law becomes the religion of the state. So Sharia law encompasses every single part of your life. The way you dress, the way you eat, the way you move, the way you talk, the way you run shirts. I'm telling you what I'm saying right now will get me killed on the street in Egypt or will get me in jail where I'll get tortured and die. That is Sharia law. Under Sharia law you will have blasphemy laws which are designed to make sure if any Christian or any pastor or any human being talks about Islam, could ceases Islam or declares that Jesus lord over Muhammad, you'll get killed or go to jail. That is what you call blasphemy laws. You also have apostasy laws. So Islam is like a cult. Once you become a Muslim, if you leave, you have to die. So this is by the way, the initiation point of Sharia law. Eventually though, it will take over everything. In Egypt, where I was born, if you're a Muslim, you're a first class citizen. Literally in your ID you have number one. If you're a Christian, you're a second class citizen. You literally had in your ID number two. If you're a Jew, you're a third class citizen. You literally had your ID number three. And if you're atheist, you will go to jail. You will only allow to be Christian or Jew or Muslim. So Sharia law encompasses itself in every way, shape or form. A man can have four wives. A wife is only allowed to have one husband. A man can get divorced as much as he wants the rights of a woman. The voice of a woman, legally and politically is half the voice of a man. A woman, according to Islam is stupid and intellectually dumb and deficient in mind. That is why she is not the same value as a man. So Sharia law, it is like a huge can of worms. You can. The question is, how far do you want to take Sharia law? So when I was born, that was like soft Sharia law. It's not like Hamas, it's not like Gaza, it's not like west bank and it's not like Syria or like Iraq, where I was born. That was like Sharia law for beginners.
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Isabel Brown
When you're watching what's happening in New York and the fact that Zoran Mamdani is far more likely than not going to be the next mayor of New York City, what does that tell you about the trajectory of the United States and maybe by extension other Western countries? Canada, Australia, New Zealand. We've already seen what happens in Europe, but I think the US is kind of this last domino to fall, so to speak.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
America is in a very fragile position and it's in a very dangerous moment of time. It's either Americans are going to wake the hell up. Not to the Jews and not to the Zionists and not to the Israel Lobby, but to Islam, or they will be destroyed. Once and for all. And this is coming from someone who escaped that Christian Egypt that got infiltrated and conquered by Islam and became Muslim. This is very, very important for every single conservative. The biggest threat I have in Australia. That's why I need security. That's why I have to make sure nobody's allowed to enter our church without a bag. That's why I literally have to watch for my life. It's not the Jews, it's Islam. I can get killed on the street in every moment. I literally had the terrorism police come to our church at least four times for me speaking against Islam. So I'm here to tell you guys what is happening across the west is that Islam is infiltrating and conquering the West. And it's simply because they have the numbers. Like demographic is destiny. The second biggest religion in Texas is Islam. The second biggest religion in Virginia is Islam. The second biggest religion in Alabama is Islam. The second biggest religion in North Carolina is Islam. One out of ten people in New York City are Muslims. Islam is here to conquer and Islam is here to take over. And when you see across Europe, the problem is not the Jews. The problem is not the Zionists what has destroyed Christianity. It was never the Jews. It has always been Islam. If you look at Sudan, if you look at Nigeria, if you look at Pakistan, if you look at Iran, like the proof that Islam is waging a war across the whole entire globe. And there is something happening at the moment in America where most Americans, I believe, are narcissistic. They don't see Islam as it is. They see Islam through an American lens. So I'm like, dude, I'm here to give you an idea of the word of Islam, which is the Quran. And the hadith of the world is Islam, which is the world I grew up in, of the worldview of Islam, which is Sharia law, kill the infidel, conquer. See, Islam is a war religion. It's always at war. Islam is at war 24 7. So if you pretend that America is in peace and if you don't defeat Islam, I'm here to tell you, UK, the mother of America, is gone. UK right now is 67.5% Muslim. It's anticipated in the next 10 to 15 years it will be 15% Muslim, which means the only way forward for UK is a civil war. So the question is going to be now to America. Are you going to look at the writing on the wall and the facts and the evidence? Are you going to turn back to the Lord? Are you going to stop Killing their babies, butchering your babies, cutting and butchering the next generation. Because while Christians are killing the babies, cutting the babies, aborting the babies, Islam is spreading like a virus. The growth rate of Islam at this point of time. Islam's birth rate is 2.1 per head. The Christian birth rate is 1.1 per Christian family. Islam is already winning the culture war. And if you think I'm a conspiracy theorist, New York is potentially, I pray that doesn't happen, about to have a Muslim mayor running the biggest financial estate, Wall Street Journal, literally the Statue of Liberty, the symbol of freedom, Lady Liberty, the most important, the richest, and the symbol of freedom of the United States of America. New York is about to become like London, London stun. And that's coming from someone. I'm like, dude, I escaped Islam to come to find it already here.
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Isabel Brown
Oh, that's crazy to think about. And certainly from your perspective, having grown up with so much of a blueprint for what could happen in the rest of the world, really running out of places on the globe to go to because everyone is so timid about all of this stuff. In our last few minutes together, Andrew, do you have a message for those who have been afraid to talk about this before? They're worried about the backlash. They're worried about any sort of societal or reputational damage that they might receive for just being willing to notice things or to ask questions. How can people find courage to at least stick up for their faith and be willing to fight for the West?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
This is very, very important. I was very blessed to be with Charlie Kirk four weeks before he died, before he got murdered on the street for speaking the truth, no matter what the cost. And I remember in that combination, we were literally strategizing on how will we wake the right wing crew across America about the next big danger of Islam. This is very, very important for every single Conservative, every single Republican, every single Christian, every single Catholic, every single Protestant, every single conservative Jew, whatever you are. Charlie Kirk's death must activate a warrior spirit within every single heart to preach and proclaim the word of the Lord. We have literally had a Christian martyr, a religious martyr, a political martyr die on the streets of America while his blood was shed on the street. And it's time for us to take that blood and make it count. It's time to speak louder, to preach bolder, to fight harder. You're going to die anyway. You might as well die doing something good for the Lord. This is very, very important. You're either going to die a coward or die Courageous. You're either going to die fighting or die flighting. But I'm here to tell you both ways you're going to die if you think you're going to be able to survive Islam. See, I'm here to tell you I should be dead. I'm going to share my story. In 2007, a few years before we immigrated to Australia, my dad converted a particular Muslim woman to Christianity. Because we were loving and kind to her, my dad was very open about his faith. That woman was getting abused by her husband. So she ended up coming to our home for food, shelter, and we shared the gospel with her. Because we shared the gospel with her. She was very impressed and changed by the love of Jesus and how my dad shared the gospel. So she ended up becoming a Christian. What we didn't know at that moment when she became a Christian is that her husband was part of Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood is the Hamas of Egypt. See, all my Hamas supporters, there is Hamas in every single Islamic country in the world. You got Hezbollah, you got Taliban, you got Al Qaeda, you got Houthis, you got Barak Haram, Baruch Haram in Nigeria. So Muslim Brotherhood is the Egyptian version of Hamas. What we didn't know is that her husband was part of Muslim Brotherhood. So he was very angry and furious at Madat for taking what is most precious to him, which is his wife. So he decided he was going to take revenge on my dad by killing what is precious to him, which was me and my younger brother. So he got two of his Muslim Brotherhood friends, he orchestrated a plan. He made a plan that 7am in the morning, he was going to come as me and my younger brother were about to catch that yellow bus to school, kidnap us, behead us, send my body, me and my younger brother's body and heads back in a bag as a revenge for my dad taking what is most precious to him, which is his wife. He came the week later. He carried out the plan. 7:00am in the morning, as me and my younger brother were about to go to this yellow school bus, as me and my younger brother walked outside of our apartment to walk that Muslim Brotherhood man and the two other Muslim Brotherhood men, they felt a force and a power and they froze. And they could not move at all. They froze in time and space and they could not move at all until me and my younger brother, we went to the yellow bus. The yellow bus drove to the end of the street. The yellow bus disappeared. And the moment the bus disappeared, they started to move again. The guy was very angry and Furious, he came the week after with two other Muslim Brotherhood men. He was like, the other team was cowards. How dare they not kill us Christians. So he carried out the exact same plan. 7:00am in the morning, he comes to our apartment as me and my younger brother at about the school. And this time, as me and my younger brother started to walk to the bus, him and the two other Muslim Brotherhood men, they felt a power and a force take their hand and put it behind their head. And they could not move at all. They could not move at all until me and my younger brother went to the yellow school bus. The yellow school buses doors shut. The bus drove to the end of the street and disappeared. And the moment the bus disappeared, they started to move again. See, we didn't know this was happening. If I knew this was happening, I wouldn't be going to school that day. I think my mom would have said, it's okay, you don't have to go to school that day. Someone wants to kill you. But the reason we know this, the reason we know this was happening is because that Muslim Brotherhood man came to my father a few weeks later and he told my dad, your God saved you, your family and your children from my evil and wicked hand. He became a Christian, he got baptized, and now him and his whole entire family are Christians. And this is my story to people. Your job is to preach. God's job is to protect. Your job is to speak. God's job is to save. Your job is to proclaim. God's job is to deliver. So I should be dead long time ago. So don't be silent, don't be quiet, don't be afraid. Sometimes God will save you like me. Sometimes God will not save you like Charlie Kirk. But even if he doesn't, it doesn't really matter. Just like Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, they told King Nebuchadnezzar, King Nebuchadnezzar, God can save us. But even if he doesn't, we will not worship your statue. Just like Daniel. When they told him, you can't pray in the public square, they told him, we're going to put you in the lion's den. The Bible said that Daniel went to his room, he opened the window, he looked toward Jerusalem, and he made sure that people saw that he prayed in the public square. Just like the disciples when they said, we must obey God more than any human being. You need to speak and proclaim the word of God. Because would you rather die for something or live for nothing?
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Isabel Brown
Oh, powerful, powerful Words to leave us on there, Andrew, where can people be following you and your brother's journey? How can they support you in any way and pray for you guys as you continue boldly speaking the truth all over the world.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Hey, keep us in your prayers. Keep on praying for us because what we're doing in Australia is dangerous for our life. We get death threats all the time. And on top of that, it's only a matter of time before our socialist liberal government tries to put us in jail under hate speech and Islamophobia laws. I'll probably come there if you don't mind when they decide to go after me to let people know what's happening. But hey, pray for us. We are on social media. Just go on Facebook or Instagram and put Sedra. You're going to find all the Sedras. There's like six of us and there's like another person that looks like me. We're also planting a church in Florida next year in Orlando, so if you are not in a church, you can come and visit. We're going to be planting that church. But hey, pray for us. Follow us on socials and yeah, speak the word of the Lord and keep on making America Christian again.
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Isabel Brown
Be unafraid. I love it. Thank you so, so much for joining us today on the Isabel Brown show and we are so excited to have you back soon.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Thank you. Isabelle, keeping the great work. I love you guys.
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Isabel Brown
Love you too. Oh, I love that man. Truly. He is the best. The best. He's so well spoken and articulate about this. I have loved watching him and his brother's clips on social media over the past couple of months. They truly inspire me in so many different ways and I hope that lights a fire in you to be willing to have this conversation now when we really, really need to have it. But beyond the whole is Islam compatible with Western civilization at the institutional level thing, I want to keep focusing that in the next several months. I do want us to zoom back into specifically what Zoran Mamdani is campaigning for as mayor of New York City because I don't want it to all get lost in the 30,000 foot political ideology meets religious theology and the 30,000 foot view of society thing. I want us to remind ourselves of exactly what this guy is running for. First and foremost. I actually think I can find at least 2%, maybe common ground with Zo Run Momdani A. I think he is correctly diagnosing the problem that life is way too expensive. The general point of his platform is New York is too expensive, and he's aiming to lower the cost and make life easier for New Yorkers. You know, he's giving you all of the wrong policy prescriptions for how to fix that, but the diagnosis is correct. Like America is wildly too expensive. And we'll come back to most of his ways to fix that. But I do think there's one really good idea in Zoran Mamdani's campaign. So I want to throw an olive branch bone out there, because I think every politician in America should be campaigning on this. He has an idea that is not an original one. This already is a thing in most European countries for baby baskets for the newborn babies of New York. He says every year, 125,000 brand new new Yorkers are born across our city. But the cost of living crisis can make it difficult for new families to give them a healthy start. Building on the success of more than 90 similar programs around the world, the Mamdani administration will provide new parents and guardians with a collection of essential goods and resources free of charge, including items like diapers, baby wipes, nursing pads, postpartum pads, swaddles, and books. Scotland was one of the first countries to implement this nationwide. And they call them baby boxes. I think. Not baby baskets, but same thing. When you are pregnant and you go to the doctor, you are automatically enrolled to have a baby box show up to your door right before you have your baby. And it's full of diapers and newborn clothes and swaddle blankets and a pump for you to pump milk and nursing pads. And like all of the things, the basic essentials that you need to be a successful mom in your first few weeks, especially if it's your first time and you've never done this before for, and I believe in Scotland, the box itself also converts to like a pack and play thing or the baby to safely be put into. I think this is a genius idea. Their cost estimate for this is about $20 million a year. He says on his website. At least 20 million or at less. Sorry. At less than $20 million a year, it is a relatively small investment with potentially huge rewards for healthy development and family stability, as demonstrated by countless programs across the globe. Could not agree with that more myself. 100%. An amazing idea. And that is what social programs are actually supposed to look like in supporting families, making it easier for people to have families and supporting the health of our societies. Genius. So I hope the right wakes up to realizing how important it is to campaign on that themselves. And frankly, this would be an amazing way to offset all of the arguments from the abortion side of things. Which interestingly, let's take this back to the beginning for a second. Zoran Mamdani has not said a lot about abortion. Let's just say that Islam is very, very, very, very clear about abortion. Arguably more than most Christians in America are about abortion. So there you go. There's another, another reason to have this conversation. But I love this. I think it is a powerful way to encourage people to have more children. It makes it easier on moms, especially first time moms that have no idea what we are doing. And I will throw the olive branch bone to Zohran Momdani on that idea. That said, all of his other ideas are genuinely insane. Like this guy truly is going to destroy New York, is going to cripple New York. And I don't say that lightly. That breaks my heart. I don't want to see that happen even to one of my least favorite cities on the face of the planet. Whether it's just like the most vague woke talking points ever, like what he tweeted over the summer. Queer liberation means defund the police. What the hell does that even mean? So defund the police, obviously, but specifically to make gay and queer and trans people more free. Yeah, and he's very unapologetic about the fact that he is indeed a democratic socialist and that socialism is what he espouses. Years ago, speaking at the National Conference for the Democratic Socialists of America, Zoran spoke about the need for members of the dsa, the Democratic Socialists of America, to essentially infiltrate all levels of government in the United States. Not just to run for office, but to become the staffers, the speechwriters, all of the people working at every level of politics. Listen to him say this.
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Zoran Mamdani
Most importantly, I am a proud member of Queens, dsa, New York City, DSA and the Democratic Socialists of America. We are special as DSA electeds not because of ourselves. We are special because of our organization. We must understand that it is far easier to corrupt an individual than a mass movement organization. As individuals, you simply cannot withstand the coercion, the control and the consequences that are meted out in that chamber forever. Maybe you can hold off for a year, maybe you can hold off for a few terms, but soon you will start to rationalize that which you initially rebelled. And the only answer in those moments, the only answer to the coercion, to the control, to the threat of those consequences, is a committee of socialists and office. And to be clear, this is not simply a committee of those socialists who've been elected to office. This is the not very catchy name that we've come up with to describe a committee of those elected officials endorsed by our organization, their top staffers, organizational leadership and representatives of the key working group priorities of the organization.
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Isabel Brown
A committee of socialists in political office. Not just those elected to office, but everyone who supports those people to their staffers, their speechwriters, their car drivers, their everyone needs to be socialist to counter the threat of anyone who is not socialist. That makes so much more sense when you look at the rest of Mamdani's campaign promises and his specific platform. I mean, if you look on his own website, this guy says that he wants to tax whiter neighborhoods disproportionately because they are white, which is insane. But he is going to institute a racial based tax on whiter neighborhoods based on your race. Speaking of instituting changes to the cost of living crisis, his very first thing on his Zoran for New York website, Zoran Mamdani says New York is too expensive. Zoran will lower costs to make life easier. His solution to that on his own website. The very top hit here is to freeze the rent. Freeze the rent. As mayor, Zoran will immediately freeze the rent for all stabilized tenants and use every available resource to build the housing New Yorkers need and to bring down the rent. Oof. Yikes. As if all of the 2 million New Yorkers who are already living in rent stabilized apartments need more of a reason for a cost of living crisis to escalate even further and continue fleeing New York. His answer for that, of course, is to build more affordable housing, which he says on his website he wants to build more. We'll use our public dollars to triple triple the city's production of permanently affordable union built rent stabilized home constructing 200,000 new units over the next 10 years. Where on God's green earth that money is going to come from, I have no idea. But what's not said on the website is what he has said in a video that pretty much goes viral every couple of weeks about the country. Rather the city's need to buy up all of the privately owned housing to decommodify private housing and make it property of the state. This literally reads like something out of Animal Farm. Listen to him tell you this.
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Zoran Mamdani
Go further toward the Vienna model. We'll have to go beyond the market. We can establish community land trusts to gradually buy up housing on the private market and convert it to community ownership. We can give tenants a right of first refusal to buy out their landlords when buildings Go up for sale and we can fully commit to a new era of social housing. Ending subsidies for luxury housing development and using our wealth to build beautiful, high quality social housing projects that that offer good homes and strong communities to everyone. We won't decommodify housing overnight, but we know what we have to do and we have history to guide us.
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Isabel Brown
We know what we have to do to decommodify housing, and we have history to guide us. Historically, in the United States, has public housing projects universally been a great idea? Is the quality of public housing projects safe, good, reliable as a place to live? How about globally? If we look at, I don't know, the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Venezuela? How does the quality of the public housing projects compare to privately owned homes? Well, he's saying the quiet part out loud. The privately owned homes are much better in quality. So that's why we're just going to basically force people out of their homes. When landlords leave, give tenants the right to buy the building, which they don't actually mean the tenant by the way, they mean the state. When the state controls the means of production, that is socialism. This guy is in a very clear position to say I am an avowed socialist, has said it out loud for years. I'm a very proud member of the socialist movement in the United States of America. So we're going to decommodify housing and make it an element of the state, apparently. Translation, you will own nothing and you will be happy. That's why he's calling for city owned grocery stores on his own website on Zo Run for New York City under the affordability section. City owned grocery stores are one of the tenants that this guy is hoping to institute in New York. He says food prices are out of control. Nearly nine in ten New Yorkers say the cost of groceries is rising faster than their income. Only the various wealth, only the very wealthiest are not feeling squeezed at the register. As mayor, Zoron will create a network of city owned grocery stores focused on keeping prices low, not making a profit. Again, great idea in theory, but how is that going to work? The nature of a business is that it has to make a profit by general definition. And how many countries do we have to see state run grocery stores fail in to the point that like in Venezuela, people were eating their family pets or zoo animals to survive? For us to realize might not be a good idea. Of course, city owned grocery stores is immediately followed up with fast free buses. Hmm. When we're defunding the police for queer liberation, I wonder how Safe, free buses in New York City are going to be for vulnerable people. But that's. That's a different conversation for a different time, I suppose. But I don't know. Here's just a random thought. Maybe Mom, Donnie, that the reason that there is a cost of living crisis in New York is that you have some of the highest taxes, if not the highest tax rate in the United States of America, and you are using those taxes to spend billions upon billions of dollars on what I found the other day in New York City, transgender only homeless shelters that cost more month to month per bed than most people's rent, even in New York City. Why is New York city spending over 65 million on a trans only homeless shelter whose residents get yoga classes, culinary classes, and are loved up on? Aces Place is the first fully taxpayer funded shelter to only house transgender and gender non conforming people. It's right here in Long Island City, and I wish I could show you, but it's on a list of protected sites. So despite repeated calls, texts and emails, the city refused to tell me where it's at. One study found a third of transgender people report being homeless at some point in their lives. But why does a shelter for them have to cost over $433,000 per bed? Well, in 2021, as part of a settlement with a trans activist named Mariah Lopez, the city was required to provide at least 30 beds to trans and gender non conforming residents. Lopez, who is the executive director of the Strategic Transgender alliance for Radical Reform, filed multiple complaints against the New York City Department of homeless services in 2017. So, long story short, she goes through this journalist, the history of how this ended up happening. Basically, this extremely leftist left wing activist, who I can't even begin to pronounce all of the buzzwords that was assigned to this person's name, sued the city. And the outcome of this lawsuit, in classic New York fashion, was that the city has to provide trans only public housing for homeless transgender people. Of course, the law in New York says that it doesn't matter if you are male, female, whatever you have, you get the right to pick what type of shelter you would like to live in, whether that is the trans only shelter, the male shelter, or the female shelter. So there are plenty of men in women's homeless shelters right now, but at this particular one, you get like massages and a gym and all kinds of extra luxury amenities, because that's going to help the cost of living crisis. And I guarantee you those beds are not even occupied because there's Much deeper issues with that in New York City and beyond. There is a problem. There is a problem happening in New York City when it comes to affordability. There is clearly a problem when it comes to candidate quality. Honestly, I have a hard time even blaming people for wanting to vote for Zo Ron Momdoni. I do. Because when you look at the options in American politics and when you look at the options on the left and you look at the options on the debate stage for New York City mayor, the guy is the only guy who remotely seems semi normal like everyone else is. A ridiculously old, aging, decrepit political puppet that has been in office for way too long. And this guy seems like a normal guy. He walks around to taxi cabs and gets people to roll down their windows and says, hey man, vote for me. And they say, yeah, I already did. He's going to nightclubs. He's amazing social media presence that totally understands where young people are at. He gives great answers to important questions about day to day life for what people are struggling with. Affordability being one of the biggest things that young people are facing in New York City. It is hard to blame people for wanting to vote for someone who gives off a cool aura. I get it. And when institutionalized politics is more obsessed with asking mayoral candidates about parades than they are about affordability in New York City, it is totally understandable for me to see why people are attracted to a Zo run Momdani. In case you missed that moment, by the way, I'll end you with this. This was Curtis Sliwa, Andrew Cuomo and Zoran Mamdani being asked about parades on the debate stage. I don't even know how else to cue this up other than that. Just listen to this.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Every parade has the right to exist in New York City. Okay?
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Isabel Brown
Gentlemen, New York City Love loves its parades and the mayor is often front and center.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
You have all said that you want.
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Isabel Brown
To be mayor for all New Yorkers. So will you march in all the parades that mayors have traditionally marched in or are there any that you would boycott?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Mr. Sliwa, I think a mayor has a responsibility, whenever possible, the march in parades to celebrate whatever that parade is performing. As I've been at Grand Marshall of the Pulaski Day Parade, I was proud to celebrate though.
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Isabel Brown
I just need to move this along. Excuse me, would you boycott any of the city's parades?
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
No, I would not boycott any parade. Mr. Responsibility to be available to all racial religious groups. No, I wouldn't. Unless they discriminated.
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Zoran Mamdani
Okay, Mr. Mamdani, there are many parades that I would not be attending because I'd be focusing on the work of leading the city.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Which parades?
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Isabel Brown
Good answer.
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Zoran Mamdani
I've already missed a number of those parades because I've been.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
You tell us as possible.
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Zoran Mamdani
Okay. I don't have the list of all the parades I've missed.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Wow. That's. May or should be going to all parades.
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Isabel Brown
Let me ask you this. Are there any parades that don't exist that you think should?
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Zoran Mamdani
Mr. Mamdani, I haven't thought much about parades, to be honest with you, Mr. Cuomo.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
I have not thought. I don't even know what parade doesn't exist.
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Zoran Mamdani
Could be for anything.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra
Mr. Sliwa, every parade has the right to exist in New York City.
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Isabel Brown
Every parade has the right to exist. And we will affirm your existence. Who lobbied for this question? Big parade? I didn't even know that was a problem in institutionalized politics that we have to worry about. But apparently it is. It's just another big thing taking over politics from. From the shadows. Uh, great answer. And frankly, most of his answers have been really great. I don't blame people for being attracted to a Zoran Mamdani figure. And this is precisely why candidate quality matters. But in our conversation about candidate quality, we also need to be asking, are you being honest, really honest about who you are, about what your values are, about what your priorities will be as mayor? There is no fundamental reality in which Zoran Mamdani is being genuinely honest 100% about who he is and what his priorities will be as mayor of New York City. Either he's lying about being a great practicing Muslim, or he's lying about being as politically progressive as he really is. And I think, New Yorkers, you need to ask yourself today, are you comfortable? No matter how cool he is, no matter how much aura he's got, are you comfortable electing someone who's willing to lie to you in order to advance their political agenda? I sure hope not. I hope no matter where we fall in the political spectrum, we all, as Americans, and especially as young Americans, can say, never again. We demand transparency. We demand authenticity. We demand honesty. When it comes to the people that we are electing to represent, we the people. Stay safe out there. New York, New Jersey, and Virginia, as you guys go vote. I voted in Virginia over the weekend, so I'm very proud to. To have done my civic duty. That's what it is all about. And don't forget to catch me tonight with Ben Shapiro. Charlamagne the God Anna Kasparian. And so much more on cnn live streaming coverage in the CNN app. I believe you can probably also watch it on their website. It is not the TV network. It is the live stream tonight at 8:30pm Eastern. Wish me luck. See you guys tomorrow.