Zohran Mamdani’s Victory EXPOSES America’s New Crisis: Islam, Socialism & Violence

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Podcast Summary: The Isabel Brown Show

Episode: Zohran Mamdani’s Victory EXPOSES America’s New Crisis: Islam, Socialism & Violence
Host: Isabel Brown (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Joe Bob Telephi
Date: November 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from New York City in the wake of the election, Isabel Brown reacts to Zohran Mamdani’s historic win as New York City’s first Muslim and self-avowed socialist mayor. Isabel explores what Mamdani’s victory means for American politics, culture, the normalization of violence, and the future of urban America. She is later joined by fellow commentator Joe Bob for an in-depth discussion about the growing trend of political violence, ideological clashes, and the perceived erosion of foundational American values.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: New York’s Political Earthquake

(00:27–04:53)

• Isabel describes the shock of waking up in NYC after Mamdani’s victory, noting her participation on CNN’s live election panel.
• She expresses frustration that mainstream coverage misses the deeper cultural shifts:

  "Ultimately we are facing a crisis of culture in the United States of America and it is playing out in real time very, very quickly..." (Isabel Brown, 02:25)

• Focus shifts from electoral stats to what Isabel frames as a crisis of identity, character, and the normalization of violence in politics.

2. The Meaning Behind Mamdani’s Win

(04:53–06:45) — Notable Quotes Included

• Isabel notes a tone shift in Mamdani’s rhetoric between the campaign and his election night speech.
• Key Quote (Victory Speech):

  "I am Muslim, I am a democratic socialist. And most damning of all, I refuse to apologize for any of this." (Zohran Mamdani, 05:08)

• Isabel voices concern over Mamdani’s assertion that no problem is beyond the government's reach:

  "We will prove that there is no problem too large for government to solve and no concern too small for it to care about." (Zohran Mamdani, 06:45)

• She frames this as a “terrifying worldview,” associating it with Marxism and questioning the wisdom of more government intervention given NYC's ongoing problems.

3. Identity Politics & Exclusion of “Americanness”

(06:55–10:36)

• Isabel critiques Mamdani’s focus on immigrant communities in his speech, implying a lack of gratitude or acknowledgment to “Americans” per se.
• Controversial Moment:

  "Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city who made this movement their own. I speak of Yemeni bodega owners and Mexican abuelas, Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses, Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties. Yes, aunties." (Zohran Mamdani, 10:06)

• Isabel raises concerns about a perceived crisis in civic identity:

  "If we can't even say thank you to The Americans who voted for me... then I think we are having a serious crisis of identity in American politics." (Isabel Brown, 10:36)

4. Radical Support and Fear of Imported Extremism

(11:15–16:13)

• Isabel discusses extreme reactions to Mamdani’s victory, claiming groups like ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood celebrated it, referencing viral (though unverified) statements online.
• She alleges these groups see political victories in Western democracies as means for “soft conquest” rather than traditional warfare.
• Isabel links Mamdani’s ideological allies at his victory party with radical left-wing or authoritarian figures.

5. Normalization of Political Violence & Its Champions

(16:25–24:21)

• Discussion of left-wing influencers (e.g., Hasan Piker) who, according to Isabel, have openly called for violence against conservatives.
• Noting the lack of broad establishment support for Mamdani, Isabel observes that the loudest champions of his win are often from radical or fringe groups.

  “If it’s not in line with left wing values, whose values is this in line with?” (Isabel Brown, 35:53)

6. Crime, Culture, and “Violence as a Social Construct”

(24:21–24:47) — Notable Moment

• Isabel highlights a Mamdani quote about crime and policing:

  "Violence is an artificial construction... what is happening here with these district attorneys, that is violence. That is violence of the highest degree." (Zohran Mamdani, 24:21)

• She frames this as evidence that Mamdani minimizes actual street crime, redefining institutional actions as real violence.

7. Mamdani's College Writings: Controversy on Gender & Cultural Norms

(24:47–32:00)

• Isabel references an old op-ed Mamdani wrote on gender and harassment in Egypt, criticizing his reluctance to intervene in sexual assaults abroad:

  “Enraged by the stories and statistics, I thought of volunteering only to come to the realization that the last thing Egyptians needed was a well meaning foreigner's assistance.” (Quoting Mamdani’s 2013 writing)

• Isabel draws a line from this attitude to rising sexual violence in European cities led by Muslim mayors, using crime statistics to bolster her argument.

8. Clash of Civilizations: Islam, Socialism, and Western Values

(32:00–36:51)

• Isabel states:

  "Institutionalized Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. It just is." (Isabel Brown, 36:51)

• She distinguishes between individual Muslims and “institutionalized” Islam, arguing that core Islamic governance conflicts with free speech, women's rights, and democracy.
• She details the lack of freedoms in Islamic theocracies, emphasizing the dangers of normalizing these systems in the U.S. via democratic means.

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Part II: Joe Bob Joins — Deep Dive on Violence & Moral Decline

1. The Satirical “Bodega Story” and Opening Banter

(38:19–39:27)

• Joe Bob humorously recounts a faux story about lawlessness in NYC post-election, parodying the “defund the police” rhetoric and perceived chaos.

2. Growing Trend of Political Violence

(39:27–46:11)

• Isabel and Joe Bob discuss normalization of violence:

  “If you don’t have a moral compass, anything is possible. And even further than that... if you call people Nazis and fascists continually, why would you not act violently towards them?” (Joe Bob, 41:51)

• They trace the current climate to years of escalated rhetoric, warning that constant labeling desensitizes society and leads to real-world consequences, such as celebration of political assassinations and murder fantasies by public figures.

3. The Role of Morality, Messaging, and Youth

(46:11–51:47)

• Discussion around the failure of conservative messaging and the alarming statistics showing overwhelming support for radical leftist candidates among young women.
• Joe Bob:

  "...an overwhelming... plurality of libs think that violence in some way shape or form in certain circumstances is acceptable." (Joe Bob, 47:21)

• Isabel raises the question: Is electoral violence due to ignorance, poor messaging, or apathy?

4. The Role of Religion and Community

(51:47–54:09)

• Both speakers emphasize the loss of a fundamental moral compass in society, attributing this to decline in religious engagement.
• Joe Bob suggests:

  "If you don't have a guiding compass... what else would you do?" (Joe Bob, 42:50)

• Isabel draws a parallel between the culture war and the spiritual revival occurring among young conservatives:

  "There is this, the demons are getting louder but our better angels are getting louder as well concept happening all at the exact same time." (Isabel Brown, 49:15)

5. What Is an American? Decline of Shared Identity

(58:28–60:45)

• Restating her earlier question, Isabel asks if NYC — and America by extension — loses its essence when it loses unity in values, language, and culture.
• Joe Bob:

  “Diversity is great, especially in thought... Diversity in race means nothing... It's unity.” (Joe Bob, 59:19)

6. Solutions: Returning to Moral and National Foundations

(60:50–67:21)

• Isabel and Joe Bob discuss the need to restore love of country, dignity, and a clear moral framework as a bulwark against violence and chaos.
• Joe Bob concludes:

  "If you can't govern yourself, you can't be governed... If the government and the law is the only thing that exists and can exist, then you're just going to end up with chaos." (Joe Bob, 54:09)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• Zohran Mamdani’s declaration:

  "I am Muslim, I am a democratic socialist. And most damning of all, I refuse to apologize for any of this." (Zohran Mamdani, 05:08)

• On government omnipotence:

  "We will prove that there is no problem too large for government to solve and no concern too small for it to care about." (Zohran Mamdani, 06:45)

• Joe Bob on violence:

  "If you don't have a moral compass, anything is possible. And even further than that... if you call people Nazis and fascists continually, why would you not act violently towards them?" (Joe Bob, 41:51)

• On loss of identity:

  "If we can't even say thank you to The Americans who voted for me... then I think we are having a serious crisis of identity in American politics." (Isabel Brown, 10:36)

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Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Election Night Analysis & Setting the Stage: 00:27–04:53
• Mamdani’s Acceptance Speech & Tone Shift: 04:53–06:45
• Multiculturalism and Identity Crisis: 06:45–10:36
• Radical Reactions & ISIS Allegations: 11:15–16:13
• Violence as a Social Construct: 24:21–24:47
• Joe Bob’s Satirical Take on NYC Lawlessness: 38:19–39:27
• Political Violence & “Nazi” Rhetoric: 41:10–44:06
• Women and Youth Vote Analysis: 46:11–51:47
• Religion and the Return to Moral Values: 51:47–54:09
• What Is an American? Discussion on Unity vs. Diversity: 58:28–60:45

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Overall Tone

The episode is marked by alarm and cultural mourning for perceived lost American values, with moments of humor (Joe Bob's satire) and a strong call to action for Christian revival and grassroots political engagement. The hosts use a mix of earnest, sometimes polemical commentary and direct quote analysis to make their case for a return to foundational identity and morality as the only solution to crises of violence and culture.

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For listeners seeking an accurate sense of the arguments, rhetoric, and mood of this episode, this summary encapsulates the entire arc—minus advertisements, promos, and off-topic banter.

Transcript

[Joe Bob]

If you don't have a moral compass, anything is possible. And even further than that, unfortunately, rhetorically speaking, if you call people Nazis and fascists continually, why would you not act violently towards them?

[Isabel Brown]

Welcome back to the Isabelle Brown Show. Not in our normal set because today I am coming to you from New York City. It was incredibly surreal waking up this morning in the wake of election night. Last night I went down to my hotel lobby and splayed out on all of the tables were copies of the New York Times talking about the historic election win for Zo Run Mom Donnie. Last night, and you guys may have seen, last night I was on CNN's panel for about two hours on their live stream analyzing all of the races across the country. And I found myself, honestly just sitting in this room. There were no breaks. It wasn't tv, it wasn't the classic CNN type election analysis. But sitting there with no, no breaks in the conversation, listening to people from across the political spectrum, in my opinion, woefully missing the point of what is dramatically changing in American politics at breakneck speed, faster and faster and faster with every pressing day. We talked a lot about the election on yesterday's episode as well. And we were joined by my friend Pastor Andrew Cedra to talk about who Zo Ron Momdani really is and what he represents. But I think this is even bigger than Mom Donnie. Really what we're watching is an evolution of American politics that is prioritizing and normalizing violence. And I think last night was an incredibly interesting, eye opening, awakening moment for people across the country to start to come to grips with what that's going to look like in the midterm elections next year, in the 2028 presidential election, and more importantly, even just in how we live our day to day lives, we can spend hours and hours and hours on CNN talking about, oh, approval ratings being impacted by tariffs and this particular economic policy. But ultimately we are facing a crisis of culture in the United States of America and it is playing out in real time very, very quickly and we should talk about it now. In fact, we need to talk about it now because we are losing the opportunity to even have this conversation very, very, very quickly in New York city, in Washington D.C. where I live, and around the rest of the country as well. I want to zone in here for a few moments on this New York Times cover that I saw this morning in the lobby of my hotel, throw a picture up on the screen for you guys of what this looks like. But the New York Times this morning, obviously headline story Being the winning election of Zohran, Mamdani has this shining picture of people taking photos and videos of him smiling. Headline is, Mamdani is elected mayor Capping ascent. And the byline of this piece is particularly interesting to me. First Muslim to lead the city. A triumphant for progressives. On our episode yesterday, we had an interesting conversation about the tug of war between progressive left wing politics and the values that Islam generally tends to espouse, even here in New York City, from people like Zoran Momdani. And many people are saying they do go part and parcel with one another. But we're even watching in the Mamdani campaign the tug of war and among his supporters, the tug of war between left wing political activism and particular beliefs in New York City and beyond. For example, going to campaign and visiting gay bars at one in the morning versus what Muslim voters for Zo run Mamdani are typically going to be asking him to do in office. And we saw countless men on the street interviews about that yesterday here. For voters in New York City, there is a crisis of character even on the left right now for who are the people that we are electing? What are they representing and. And who are they elected to represent? Catching Mamdani's election victory speech last night at his party was fascinating to me during this live stream that I was doing with CNN and after the fact, because mom, Donnie's tone changed dramatically, dramatically from the campaign trail even earlier in the day yesterday to his victory speech last night. And I think it's high time that people start paying attention like yesterday, actually, because this tone shift marks a very substantial change in, in New York City politics, in American politics and what Americans can reasonably expect from the people that we are electing to represent American interests. Uh, Mamdani had a fascinating line here that's going very, very viral from his victory speech on social media. He said, I am Muslim, I am democratic socialist, and I refuse to apologize for any of it. Here's him saying that and we must.

[Zohran Mamdani]

Chart a new path as bold as the one we have already traveled. After all, the conventional wisdom would tell you that I am far from the perfect candidate. I am young, despite my best efforts to grow older. I am Muslim, I am a democratic socialist. And most damning of all, I refuse to apologize for any of this.

[Isabel Brown]

Not that he was hiding from that necessarily on the campaign trail. But talk about a dramatic tone shift between the man on the street interview that was going viral just three, four days ago of him saying, what is Sharia law? I don't Know what Sharia law is? You seem to be asking me so much about my Muslim identity, but that's not really why I'm running for mayor. That's not really why I'm campaigning for this city. Wow. To then shift three, four days later to say, I am Muslim, I am a socialist, and I am refusing to apologize for any of it. I don't know that we got an authentic viewpoint into who this person was on the campaign trail over the last several months. He may have been interesting, he may have seemed relatable. He may have had a great smile and cool aura and like, kind of the Obama factor, but which I don't blame anyone for being interested in pursuing, especially when you looked at your other alternatives here in New York, where you had completely defunct candidate options. But authenticity was missing. And authenticity is what came out in Zoran Mamdani's acceptance speech last night. He also had to say this. We will prove that there is no problem too large for the government to solve and no concern too small for it to care about. Listen to him say that, not me.

[Zohran Mamdani]

We will prove that there is no problem too large for government to solve and no concern too small for it to care about.

[Isabel Brown]

Maybe it's me, but this is legitimately a terrifying worldview for any mayor of any city to be espousing. What's the age old quote? What's the scariest thing you could possibly tell someone? I'm from the government and I'm here to help. We talked about this a bit on CNN last night and it was interesting to get the perspective of Anna Kasparian and Charlemagne, the God people that I don't agree with politically by any means, but they were complaining, particularly Charlemagne living here in New York City, that we spend so much money in New York on basically everything. We spend so much money on public housing, we spend so much money on public transportation. We spend so much money on social welfare programs. But New York is not getting any safer. New York is not getting any cheaper. New York is not getting any more accessible for ordinary people, working people to live in. So I question, frankly, if the answer is more government. And we really zoned in on that with the housing crisis. Anna Kasparian was a fascinating person to talk to about this because she said out loud on CNN last night, yeah, largely the problem with the housing crisis is overregulation. It is too much government being involved. There are way too many zoning codes. They tell you who you can and can't rent to, which is strange. Strictly a too much governance problem. And what you're hearing now from the next mayor of New York City is that there is no problem too large for the government to solve. Ooh boy. And no concern too small for it to care about. Yikes. But that is the mindset of Marxism. That is the mindset of socialism, where the government will seize the means of production, where the government will control the housing, where the government will control industry. And I hate to say it, but they were very honest about the fact that this was a socialist campaign the entire time. I just think many of the voters that ended up supporting Zohran Momdani at the ballot box last night weren't paying attention to that or were not fully aware of just how far the government solving all of your problems in your day to day life is actually going to go. But there's one clip in particular from Zoran's acceptance speech that is really breaking the Internet. And I am dying to get your guys's take on this in the comments of the episode today, because people are really disturbed by this. Across the political spectrum, whether you are left, right or center, there is an interesting tension happening in real time with the aftermath of the New York City election. Zoran Mamdani said this movement was built by foreigners he was spreading, specifically talking about different demographics of people that voted for him. And he said this movement was made by Yemeni bodega owners, Mexican abuelas, Senegalese tax drivers, Uzbek nurses, Trinidarian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties. But I find it fascinating that in this line of thanking everyone from a broad coalition to vote for him, not once does he say, this is an American movement. Thank you to the Americans who voted for me. I'm so excited to be the American mayor of the greatest city in the United States and in the world. Listen to this.

[Zohran Mamdani]

Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city who made this movement their own. I speak of Yemeni bodega owners and Mexican abuelas, Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses, Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties. Yes, aunties.

[Isabel Brown]

And I suppose, honestly, that's the crux of all of this, right? Zoran Mamdani, maybe the next mayor of New York City. But if New York City lacks a cohesive identity, culture, value system, et cetera, it's not New York City. It's just a random conglomeration of competing interests and competing languages and competing cultures where there is no central mission to advance a particular culture. It's not New York. And if we can't even say thank you to The Americans who voted for me to be an American mayor of the largest city in America, then I think we are having a serious crisis of identity in American politics. New York City, if it's not New York, will simply be steamrolled and taken over by those with the loudest and the boldest voice. It's obvious to me, listening to the tone shift that happened between the campaign trail and the acceptance speech from mom Donnie last night, that that no matter how many gay bars that Mamdani wants to visit at one in the morning, or particularly progressive causes that he claims to be championing on the streets of New York when he's walking around being everybody's best friend, no matter how many perfectly scripted answers he has on the debate stage to say that he is supposedly America first, you heard it from him loud and clear last night. I am a Muslim socialist and I am not apologizing for it. Thank you to everyone of different nationalities who are not American, presumably, who voted for me to advance your causes from City hall here in New York City, ultimately. Look, you can believe whatever intentions you want to believe about Mamdani's intentions going into this campaign, about what his intentions are going to be going into office and being inaugurated into City Hall. With his win at the ballot box last night, his record of governance will eventually still be lying ahead and will prove one way or another exactly what his intentions are. So that will be coming in the next several months. But I want you to pay very, very, very close attention to who is celebrating and amplifying the message of Mamdani, louder than anyone else. Who is celebrating his victory at the ballot box yesterday louder than anyone else. I am literally not making this up. All over social media, I'm seeing the craziest, most radical and violent individuals and organizations cheering as loud as they can for a Momdani victory in New York City because of what it represents to the rest of the world. Isis. ISIS yesterday put out a statement endorsing Zoran Mamdani, saying that Mamdani's victory for New York is what they're calling Operation Manhattan Project. They say we, the Islamic State, would like to express our sincerest excitement and deepest commendation for today's jihad in New York City and its valiant and righteous martyrs. Every year, a day comes when we are overwhelmed with joy. A day when those past joyful memories are remembered. Memories of glory and victory. We reviving and restoring hope, pride and Honor to Muslims. 9, 11. A day remembered by the entire world. Events are chronicled based on this date. They say such and Such events took place Pre or post 9 11. Again, this is written by ISIS. The country and the people that by large consider 911 to be a historic date is the American government and its citizens respectively. The 114 November 4 operations have been the most carefully coordinated response to American aggression and imperialism launched from the Muslim world since 9 11. We learned from our mistakes made during the operations in Paris and Brussels. We learned from our mistakes and we were able to introduce and deliver open source jihad instructions to 109 Muslim brothers living in America who expressed desire to commit or enable today's jihad. So cool. ISIS is celebrating the victory of Zoran Mamdani and on the Note of Activating 109 Muslim Brotherhood members living in the United States of America. The Muslim Brotherhood has been very outspoken over the last several years about how they've realized the most effective way to destroy Western civilization for from inside out is not through 911 style terrorist attacks. That gets a lot of flash certainly, and it certainly advances the cause of more radical violent jihad. But actually the most effective way that they have tested in Europe and are now planning on bringing to the United States of America, they are saying this, not me, is to infiltrate Western civilization and society through immigration, through demographic shifts, through dramatically taking over the population of a particular metropolitan area and then in systems of governance changing policies from the inside out. Here is a clip of many leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood saying just that.

[Joe Bob]

700 years of our trial to conquer.

[Isabel Brown]

Europe by force failed.

[Joe Bob]

They did something wrong, very wrong. They tried for many years to conquer.

[Isabel Brown]

Europe through wars, only wars.

[Joe Bob]

This is the soft Islamic conquest of the west, basically. Basically what the Islamic.

[Isabel Brown]

Again, I'm an orthodox Muslim. What we couldn't do in the last, say 20 years, now the west is doing it for us for free and even paying for it. And it's not just the Muslim Brotherhood. Actually. Look at Zoran Mamdani's last night election party here in New York City, championed by some of the most radical voices encouraging and cheering for and calling for violence against one's political enemies. Hassan Piker was probably one of the most famous young leftists in attendance last night who said during an interview during the Mamdani election victory party. Uh, yeah, I'm so excited that Zoran Mamdani won. But it is a tragedy, a tragedy that the United States of America defeated the Soviet Union during the Cold War. The same regime responsible for killing 100 million people either through direct execution and violence or through policies like state run grocery stores and the government seizing the means of production and and the government decommodifying housing, which very much is similar language used on the campaign trail here that led to people's death via starvation, dying from the elements, weather, dying from illness, and so much more. And let's just remind ourselves for five seconds that over the last eight weeks Hasan Piker has been in the spotlight a whole lot because he has spent the last several months calling for the death and violent attack of anyone he considers to be conservative in the United States of America by letting conservatives intestines spill out on stages on which they are speaking that the streets of America should run red with capitalist blood. Again, I am quoting Hasan Piker here. And that's who's championing a Momdani win. There are countless photos of Mamdani and Hassan together actually here in New York City. So I think it's important to start paying attention to who is cheering the loudest. Who is cheering by far the loudest for a Momdani win in New York City. Not the establishment Democrat Party. Hakeem Jeffries was asked point blank six or seven times yesterday, is Zoran Mamdani the next face of the Democrat Party? He said no repeatedly. Actually, Momdani certainly got the endorsement of an Elizabeth Warren and got support from Bernie Sanders and aoc, but you didn't see Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton or really Obama go out of their way to champion Mamdani's policies. And even last night on cnn, I sat around at CNN for two hours listening to very progressive individuals like Anna Kasparian tell me, yeah, no one actually wants socialism though. No one actually wants the government to control the means of production. People really are capitalists. At the end of the day, that's not in line with left wing values. Interesting. So if it's not in line with left wing values, whose values is this in line with? What really just got elected into City hall in New York City? And how is that going to impact the rest of the country? Back to our incredibly important election analysis episode here in a second. But first I want to talk about something that has hit me so much harder. After becoming a mom, I have realized that every decision that I am making for my health and is not just about me anymore. It's about showing up as the best mom that I possibly can for Isla, being present for all of her milestones and having all of the energy to keep up with her for decades to come, which is a totally different kind of motivation. Here's the problem though. Our health care system in America is built to be reactive. You wait until Something is incredibly wrong and then you try to fix it. 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His philosophy was that New York is the greatest city in the world. It always has been since its inception. And, and it is easily the biggest cultural export to the rest of Western civilization. What happens here in New York ultimately does impact what happens in every major city in Europe, certainly every major city in the United States of America, and ultimately federal politics in Washington D.C. too. So I think on one hand, like Covid, was an incredibly clear wake up call for how bad things could get very, very quickly in the United States at the national level, with how much the government tried to micromanage your particular life, to keep you in your home, to keep you from seeing your grandmother, to keep you from watching your family members pass away in the hospital, to keep you from funerals, weddings, the most important significant moments in your life. Because they felt the need to do so with radical authoritarianism. I do think this will be a signal like that for New York. And we talked about this last night. You know, ultimately Mamdani's make or break moment in office is going to be how much of what he promised he actually can bring to fruition. Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, is already saying, no, no, no, no, no, you can't actually do that. No, no, no, no, no, that doesn't actually work. Interesting telling, very telling to me when it comes to the radical ideas that he is espousing. But if he is able to accomplish legitimate socialism, even when it's democratically elected into office, New York is in for a serious radical wake up call for how bad things are going to get very, very quickly. But to borrow the Charlie Kirk model of thinking and knowing that things don't just stay in New York. And also, I have a heart for New Yorkers, I really do. I also have a broken heart for New York today with the rising violence that is sure to ensue in this city, if nothing else, if not the cost of living crisis that always accompanies socialism when enacted into office, if not the rising political division that we're seeing in our society, if not any of that, my heart is broken for what I know is going to be a massive spike in violent crime in New York City, where violent crime has already been a severe problem for people living in this crazy, crazy epicenter of culture and politics and so much more. Earlier this year, during the primary election, Zoran Mamdani was doing a press conference on the street where he himself even said the concept of violent crime is really just a social construct. The real violence that's happening in New York today are DA's putting violent criminals. He references armed robbery and armed burglary in prison. That's the violence is actually putting those people in prison, not when violent crime is actually occurring. Listen to him say that.

[Zohran Mamdani]

Oftentimes we've even found as legislators when we go into these courts, the term violent crime is even used when people are stealing packages. Violent crime is even used when people are accused of burglary. And there happens to be a housing unit in that same dwelling. So violence is an artificial construction. And we have to be very clear that what is happening here with these district attorneys, that that is violence. That is violence of the highest degree.

[Isabel Brown]

And in everything else that was going on yesterday, by far the craziest thing that I have ever seen Zuron Momdani say came to light. I so wish this had gotten more attention earlier on the campaign trail. I didn't even know this existed until yesterday, about halfway through the afternoon. But somebody reshared an op ed that Zoran Mamdani wrote during his college years at Bowdoin. He wrote this op ed in in 2013. It is called Bearded in Cairo and it talks about his journey traveling to Egypt and like shedding the image of Western colonialism, taking off his cut off shorts and a backpack because nobody in the Islamic world actually dresses that way. So he felt the need to change his dress to fit in. Da da da da. And he talks about the cultural differences and cultural barriers that he was experiencing as someone from a largely Western worldview. And in Cairo, Egypt in 2013, if you watched yesterday's episode again, I told you at the top of the episode, but you should go back and watch it. Our friend Pastor Andrew Sedra, who now lives in Sydney, Australia, joined us. He grew up in Egypt and regularly feared for his life as the Christian son of a Christian pastor in Egypt. He shared some very, very gripping stories with us yesterday on the episode about regularly seeing Muslim Brotherhood members try to kill him and his brother on the school bus on the way to school because they were convincing people of the gospel his family was and how unbelievably terrifying that was. But more importantly, just the general baseline culture of Egypt once it became an overwhelmingly Islamic culture, and particularly how poorly women were treated in that society. That is echoed in this op ed that Zoran Mamdani himself put in writing in in 2013. Listen to this. Yet while many traditional social divisions fell, the barrier of gender remained. Although I saw many women at a protest that he was at and at the protest in the days ahead, they had to contend with the very real threat of sexual harassment and assault, especially at night. He tags in this op ed two groups, volunteer organizations, nonprofits that strive to disrupt attempted assaults and are present at most major protests in the square, with the former reporting an average of dozens of assaults at the end of any night of protest. In other words, I'm walking around Cairo, I'm seeing all of these women, dozens of them, every single night, probably are going to be raped in the street. And here's what he had to say about his role to call to action in any of that. Again, again, Zoran Mamdani put this in writing 12 years ago. Enraged by the stories and statistics I thought of volunteering only to come to the realization that the last thing Egyptians needed was a well meaning foreigner's assistance. That's damning And I don't care if you are politically to the left, to the right or anywhere in the middle, if that doesn't make you stop in your tracks and make your skin crawl. That a human response to watching dozens of women being violently gang raped in city streets because of cultural differences, social divisions, your response is yeah, I thought about helping, I thought about saying something, I thought about stepping in to protect people, but. But the last thing any of these cultures need is a well meaning foreigner's assistance. That is disgusting. And that is now the mayor of New York City. I shudder to think about how many women have walked the streets of New York in the last several years literally making videos on TikTok by the dozens. I see them all the time being punched in the face by random people outside on fifth Avenue or here near Times Square where I am recording this morning. I see these videos all the time. With the rise in crime against innocent women in New York every day and the so called progressive left that is so excited. The New York Times. Let's read this again. The New York Times, front page of the New York Times today. First Muslim to lead the city. A triumph for progressives. The so called feminist pro woman let's empower gender equality left is championing the election of a man who said I thought about helping but nah, 12 years ago. And if you need any more proof in the pudding for what this pipeline of normalizing these cultural differences looks like, just look at Europe. Look at Europe over the last decade. Europe has a Muslim mayor in London, a Muslim mayor in Birmingham, a Muslim mayor in Oldham, a Muslim, a Muslim mayor in Blackburn, all in the uk, in Brussels, in Antwerp, in Ghent, in Rotterdam, in Vienna, in Berlin. And let's just look at, I don't know, the rise of violent rape statistics in some of those countries since those mayors have been elected into office. In London since 2016, there has been more than a 100% increase in rape in sexual assault against women. London More than 100% in the last decade. That's insane. In Vienna, rape and sexual assault is up 50% since 2018. In Berlin, sexual offense recordings have edged up, not surprising. In Rotterdam, sexual assault is up 75% since 2009. Just a few months ago we watched a public defender solicitor in the UK actually argue in a British court that when a asylum seeker migrant individual raped a 15 year old girl in broad daylight in the UK, he should not be given a harsh prison sentence because coming from Afghanistan, he just didn't know, he just didn't know that there were significant Cultural differences in the UK and he thought he was entitled to rape 15 year old British girls in the streets of the UK. There is a very clear pipeline with evidence after evidence after evidence after evidence of what we probably can reasonably expect when it comes to violent crime against innocent women here in the United States, not just with other mayors and espousing these cultural differences, whatever we want to call them in other Western cities. But in the words of Zoran Ramdani himself in writing, yeah, I thought about volunteering, but the last thing women need is just a well meaning person to weigh in on some of this stuff. We need to start having an honest conversation about this ongoing clash between Eastern and Western values. And it is high time we have it like yesterday before we lose the opportunity to have it in the future. I mean, this is, this is the hard thing to say, but it is dawning on me that it desperately is time to start saying the hard thing because we are losing the opportunity to in 2025 and beyond. Someone needs to be willing to say institutionalized Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. It just is. Does that mean you can not be a Muslim and live in America? No, don't hear me say that. That's not what I'm saying. I. But at its very core, Islam does not value or protect freedom of speech, freedom of religion, women's rights and gender equality, the universal opportunity for education, democracy, which we claim to be so excited about, etc. They don't apologize for it. They're very honest about that. The punishment in 10 Islamic countries where Islam is not just the majority religion, but but is the system of governance for being gay is death. In Iran, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Nigeria, where it's also apparently punishable by death to be Christian, which we're not really talking about that either. And they're not apologizing for that. There is no such thing as freedom of religion in these countries because it is a Muslim theocracy. You might have a past to practice if you pay a special tax in some of these countries, but you have to pay a tax to practice a religion that is not Islam, that is not an American value. There is no such thing as freedom of speech or dissent against the government to reasonably criticize the people that you freely elected into office in most of these countries, which is a very fundamentally American value. It is our First Amendment for a reason. No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you, you have the right to criticize the people in charge and you need to have that right. That is what a free society is built upon. And sadly in most of these countries there are just no elections. Like we can champion the fact that there was a democratic election to put socialist policies, Muslim socialist policies, which Zoran Mamdani is not apologizing for now. He said that point blank in his acceptance speech last night. We can champion the fact that people elected for that and voted for it at the ballot box now, but that is always how that starts. Socialism always begins with a universal rallying cry, acceptance, joy, democratic process before you lose the democratic process entirely. Be right back in just a second. But first, this episode of the Isabel Brown show is brought to you by our friends at Grazza Always Fresh Single Origin Olive Oil the holidays are almost here and I am so excited to tell you that olive oil makes the perfect gift way better than underwear or socks in your stocking. Okay, I don't know why men always insist on this. I'm sure my husband will be asking for that in a couple of weeks, but he will not be getting underwear and socks in his stocking. He will be getting Graza olive oil because it is my go to for holiday shopping this year because they are incredibly fresh products. You can even see the harvest date right on the bottle which is such a thoughtful and important detail. 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But I just found myself having an out of body experience the entire time last night, realizing that the primary, primary cultural problem Americans are facing right now is that we have a massive political violence problem in America today. Not just in New York, but you saw this with the other elections that happened last night as well. You see this with public school teachers, you see this with what's happening on social media. You're seeing this with Halloween costumes after the last eight weeks. And make no mistake about it, it is coming from the institutionalized political left. So we're going to dig into that here on the show today and I'm so excited to be joined by our amazing friend Joe Bob Telephi. Joe Bob is one of my dearest friends. We worked together for years over the last several years at TPUSA. He MC'd my wedding which is so fun. We have some crazy stories about all of that and he randomly texted me this morning, wait, how long are you in New York? Because I land at 8am so I knew we had to have him on the show today and get some of his take on this because he is on the front lines of this maybe more than most. And I know you guys are going to love his analysis on everything. So please join me in welcoming Joe Bob to Lefi to the show. Zachary Joe Bob, one of my favorite people on the planet. Random coincidence that we both happens to be in New York today.

[Joe Bob]

Well yeah, I texted you like as I was leaving because I saw your Instagram post of the city and I go wait, I'm going to be in New York City? Which means I haven't slept. So we just got right off the plane, came here actually super interesting story. As I was coming here, I'm honestly pretty stoked that Maam, Danny's here and in power now. I went into a bodega, I was kind of hungry. I was like hey, I'm going To. Or a Bogoda, if you're doing the Jill Biden pronunciation. Grab some food. Started walking out the door. The guy was like, no, thief night, dude, bro. Everything's free now. To each according to his own or whatever he needs. He called the cops on me. NYPD shows up. They say, hey, man, you got to put that bag. I'm like, you guys have been defunded. Like, don't even worry about it. They apparently hadn't got the memo. They pick me up, they throw me to the ground. They're about to. George Floyd, me. And Alvin Bragg shows up, the Manhattan DA and says, hey, that guy. That guy is a Brown. He can do anything he wants in this city. I get up, I dap him up. Blm, Asalama Lake. I'm practicing the new terminology here in New York City. And I ended up here. So that's a. It was a. It was a wild morning. It was a wild day. All of that is true.

[Isabel Brown]

Well, since you've now been slammed to the ground on the sidewalk this morning, it's a great time to talk about political violence in America, I think.

[Joe Bob]

What a great transition.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, it's perfect. You know, I'm not surprised by the outcome of any of the races last night. I kind of figured that there was going to be a huge sweep for this. But when you put it really plainly in writing, I think it is a particular gut punch to those of us that have been in the movement for a long time that Matt Walsh tweeted this last night and it was perfectly said. Just to recap the last two months. Charlie Kirk shot in the throat on stage. Thousands of leftists spend weeks celebrating openly. Leftist militants take to the streets committing and calling for more violence. Attorney General candidate. Now the Attorney General for Virginia expresses his desire to murder conservatives and watch their children die. Democrat voters turn out en masse to vote for him. And. And this, to me, was an incredible wake up call, honestly, because the thread that I saw, even though they were seemingly completely unrelated elections between the Virginia governor and ag, the mayor here in New York City, what happened in New Jersey, and even some of these ballot initiatives in California, the underlying thread to me is that the political party that half the country supports and is going out of their way to support and vote for, is openly celebrating an avowed socialist who refuses to condemn Sharia law. They are openly celebrating and voting for someone who actually wants to murder the children of people like you and me. Because the only way to change people's opinions on policy is to make them feel personal. Pain. They're celebrating the now governor of Virginia who wants to make it legal to kill innocent babies up till the moment they are born in a constitutional amendment. There is this threat of violence that's becoming really normalized. And I'm curious to get your take on that.

[Joe Bob]

Well, first things first. The first thing you said. Democrats win in Democrat strongholds. Shocking, Right? Like, that's how you think of the big. Oh, Maggie's crying, tears, like, okay, well, nobody's. We lost in Virginia, like, New Jersey. The Democrats won New York City. Like, okay, I'm not really too shocked by that, and I don't think really anybody is. We were talking a little bit earlier about kind of, like threading the needle, because I tend to be, like, more lighthearted about things, but also, like, this is a serious thing. And it's interesting because I have. Well, my wife is tangentially related to the political world because she's married to me, but she doesn't really pay a ton of attention. And I posted something about Jay Jones last night winning. Like, I hope this guy doesn't follow through on his deepest desires. And my wife looks at that and goes, like, hold on. That guy. That guy texted that. That he. He said that and he won. And. And not to dive into, you know, the, I guess, religious component, but I'm like, yeah, if you don't have a moral compass, anything is possible. And even further than that, unfortunately, rhetorically speaking, if you call people Nazis and fascists continually.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Joe Bob]

Why would you not act violently towards them? And again, I don't want that to be the case. But if you don't have a moral compass that guides your actions and you actually believe that there are existential threats that exist in people who just happen to see the world a little bit differently, of course you're gonna have violence. And I. And I. I don't have any good answers. And I. I'm curious about what your answers to be. Would on this, because it's. It's an unfortunately, like, a. In ethics problem. Right. If you don't have a guiding compass, what do you. What else would you do?

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, that's well said. You know, Charlie, who I know you were very close to, and we worked together with him for years and years. He was the first person really, on the mainstream political conversation a decade ago to say it is wildly dangerous and significantly irresponsible to constantly be calling everyone a Nazi or a white supremacist or homophobic or transphobic or whatever, even when they're not. Do those things exist? Yes. Of course they do. And we need to be calling them out when they do exist.

[Joe Bob]

And it belittles it. It belittles the real instances of it if you just blanket everything, because then all of us.

[Isabel Brown]

It's like the syndrome concept and incredibles. If everyone is super, then no one is. Everyone's a Nazi, then no one is a Nazi. Right. And I think you're seeing that unfold in real time, especially even this week on social media. But he was so ahead of his time in saying the danger of doing that is that you are going to radicalize people to genuinely believe that it is like a crusade of honor to take out, literally, Hitler. And you certainly saw that with assassination attempts on the President of the United States. He then tragically ended up seeing that with the assassination of Charlie and the taking of his life. And now the. The outpouring of calls for violence that I'm seeing. Even people like, dressing up as Charlie for Halloween, which is insane and so nauseating for those that know him.

[Joe Bob]

But do you think it's a disassociation problem? Like, people disassociate reality from. Not to bring violent video games into this, but, like, this whole idea of, like, everything is online, nothing's actually real.

[Isabel Brown]

No, no, don't. Okay. I don't think it's a dissociation from reality. I think that is the reality that people are living in because all of the media that they consume, what all of their professors are saying on college campuses with all of the politicians running for office are telling them is that they. There is this violent, fascist, authoritarian, Nazi right that is currently in power in America, which is objectively not true. If you can just think rationally and logically through that for a few minutes and actually study what fascism and Nazism and all of these terrible ideologies actually are. But their reality has been spun that way so that genuinely they believe that action, like you just said, is an appropriate response and is a good response. That is the moral compass to take out the threat to society. And now what's concerning to me is that this isn't just a conversation dissociated on the dark web or, like in chat rooms on Discord or whatever. This is the head of law enforcement in the state in which I now live, who probably would be wildly comfortable killing my daughter to try to get me to move on policy, would be open about that is not apologizing for it. It was in writing. And a lot of people have been talking about young men kind of being the problem right now in America, especially The last couple of weeks. But it was largely young women that overwhelmingly voted for this type of rhetoric and the normalization of political violence last night. In fact, I have some statistics for you. The young women vote. Women at large actually voted 81% for Mamdani here in New York City. 80, 80% for Cheryl in New Jersey, 78% for Spanberger in Virginia. The vast majority of women voted for Jay Jones. The women of Virginia voted for Jay Jones. So my question for you is, are they just not aware that that's what he said? Did the right do a poor job in communicating, which I think they did. Communicating the easiest election to win of all time or do people just not care?

[Joe Bob]

Well, I think unfortunately all of the variables that you can present would probably be true to a certain extent. Well, I think, yeah, the communication element is. And well, not to dive into a whole different non political violence thing, but Prop 50 in California which passed, I think was entirely beatable, but we got outspent, we got out worked and nobody particularly cared about it. So yeah, I think there is a messaging problem. Conservatives consistently have a messaging problem. That's just kind of the whole thing, unfortunately. Because being conservative takes nuance. Right. And if you're explaining you're losing in politics as far as like the other elements of it. I think there's a, I just, I think the polling shows that a, an overwhelming, well, not necessarily a majority, but a much higher percentage, even a plurality of libs think that violence in some way shape or form in certain circumstances is acceptable. And I think that's like a thing that you, unfortunately we just have to deal with now. I don't like it. It's just the reality of what it is. And when you couple that with lackluster messaging and not necessarily being able to get the word out, like, like I said, my wife hadn't seen the J. Jones text messages and I work in this industry so you know, it's not necessarily reaching everybody all the time. And so couple those two things together outside of all the other variables that exist and you have people that think, well, the way that I think the world should be is important enough to, to get that done at any cost. And unfortunately the cost in, you know, too many circumstances is violence. And I, I'm usually a rosy optimistic guy, but I'm concerned to say the least. Right. Going forward because it's, it is, it is a problem that isn't solved with, you know, one election. Yeah, this is a persistent problem. Like you know, say for example, Republicans go win the midterms that doesn't make them go, okay, well. Well, actually we were wrong. We're going to retract all of our violent rhetoric. No, they're just going to double down. Yeah, same thing goes for in 28. If JD Vance wins. Like it's, it's a persistent cultural problem which, you know, you can revert all the way back to going, people need to go to church more. And that, that's a whole different conversation.

[Isabel Brown]

Actually, I think we should go in that direction with this conversation because you say, and I think rightfully so, diagnosing the problem, that this is a, a lack of ethical, moral clarity for our society, that we lack a compass between an objective standard of good versus evil and right versus wrong, which I don't think our country has always struggled with. I think that is a new problem in our country.

[Joe Bob]

Very new.

[Isabel Brown]

And it feels like, oh, this is the way it's always been. People are so imperfect, da da da, da da. But we don't have to live this way, actually, I think is the easy answer to that. And the more I'm seeing a normalization of violence largely coming from a place of godlessness in our society coupled with at the exact same time time, this unprecedented rise in Christianity, especially with young people, this tug of war is getting very, very interesting very, very quickly. That there is this, the demons are getting louder but our better angels are getting louder as well concept happening all at the exact same time. How does that progress from here?

[Joe Bob]

Well, okay, so from a government in its relation to big C, the church. Right. It is unfortunately too easy to not fail. Let me see if I can rephrase that. If you're falling upon hard times, where have you gone through the history of human civilization? You've gone to the religious institutions who have a moral compass to say, hey, we're going to help this person out. And one, that works for the people involved in the religious institution to be able to do good in their community. Two, it doesn't let the person who's receiving any sort of benefits take those benefits from a nameless, faceless entity, I. E. Now the government, and be able to kind of just continue milking the system, if you will. And so you don't have that necessity for a community that has right moral guidance, and instead you have, you know, people who fall on hard times, okay, they go to the government, which means, okay, well, the government needs to do more things because they're the ones helping me out. And you go further and further and further down that cycle. All of a sudden the religious Element or the moral guidance component feels unnecessary. It's not, but it feels unnecessary because you have a system that doesn't necessitate people going back to fundamental roots and instead kind of continuing to flounder, but not necessarily feeling the repercussions of floundering. That makes sense.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah. What do you make of this movement? A quite organic movement, I think, that we've seen since Charlie was killed, by the way. I think that was eight weeks ago today, which is just crazy to think about in two months how much everything has changed in our society. What do you think about this organic response to that? That the only answer is God, and specifically is Christendom. Young men in particular are leading this charge that America was meant to be a Christian country. It was founded to be a Christian country. It can never become an atheist country, a Jewish country, an Islamic country. If America is not a Christian country, it is not America. And that's why you're seeing this degradation of. Of the west and civilization so quickly.

[Joe Bob]

Where are you talking about? Like, what. Where. Where. I think that that goes because that.

[Isabel Brown]

And is that naturally a response to the rising violence? And it is something we should be reinvesting and I think yes. But I'm curious to get your take.

[Joe Bob]

Well, yeah, I mean, that. That I think is ultimately the only way forward. Right. Like, if you continue to go down the opposite path of kind of like, hey, we don't need this religious component to. We don't need Christianity involved in anything that we do. Yeah. Ultimately, you're going to, you know, end up at a place that doesn't have any sort of moral boundaries that are set by moral guidance. Right. Or Christianity in the. The compass that it sets. And so as far as, like, going forward, like, yeah, it's been. It's been great to see. I hope that it stays. The first Sunday back was range of emotions, but one of them was excitement, gratitude to see there's no parking, like, and we go to the early service. So we got kids and we try to get them back home for naps and no parking. And it was both horrible and tragic as to why this is the case. But at the same time, it's good to see. Like, it's good to see. I think the only problem is kind of reverting back to the political spectrum of, like, winning elections. Say we win the midterms, we win the presidency again. That makes the radicals double down more.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Joe Bob]

And that's. That's where it's like, it.

[Isabel Brown]

It.

[Joe Bob]

It unfortunately seems like something we kind of have to go through with blunt force and hopefully gain enough of the population in understanding why it is that we're doing what we're doing to, you know, ultimately make the fringes the fringes again. In terms of the lib side of the aisle of having these ideas of, oh well, you know, you, everything is justified because we need to make X happen. That used to be a fringe theory. And the only way to continue to make it a fringe theory is, is expand the Christian base, in my opinion, and make. Make fringe fringe again. Like that's really right. Make the fringes fringe again. Is that a hat?

[Isabel Brown]

Can I put that get people grounded in something bigger than themselves again, right. Recenter us on a moral compass. Put God above government again in America. Those used to be really radical things to say even on the political right. I mean, I think for many people it is a really radical thing to say that your faith should be more important than your politics, period. Full stop.

[Joe Bob]

But you can't govern people who can't govern themselves. Like a government system only works if like say, for example, we can't enforce all the laws we have now. We operate on a system that funds enough enforcement to be able to enforce just enough to make it so that it's, you know, everybody breaks laws every single day, right? Like I break laws every single day.

[Isabel Brown]

Walking one example here in New York.

[Joe Bob]

Did it 15 minutes ago. But the, the idea that you can enforce all of those laws is laughable. It's just not possible to do. Obviously I would love to, but it's not possible. Which means that the only way to actually continue a functioning society is the individual has to enforce their own moral code. And that moral code needs to be higher than the law. And the law is specifically made for the wackadoos who, who go crazy. I mean, again, you know, you can parse that in a bunch of different ways, but the broad theme of it is if you can't govern your, you can'. Those who don't govern themselves first ultimately. And if you try, you're going to end up in some. If you, if you try to put the basis of government at the center of everything and laws are the only thing that matter. Not moral compass, not individual personal ability to set guidelines and boundaries for yourself. If the government and the law is the only thing that exists and can exist, then you're just going to end up with chaos. You either go down the full blown like fascist right side or you go down the everything is okay and everything is, you know, acceptable. And adding the Christian moral element in there allows for a system like we have.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Joe Bob]

Like people will be able to govern free will. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And. And if you don't have that, you just, you effectively have lost what the United States was meant to be.

[Isabel Brown]

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[Joe Bob]

Why?

[Isabel Brown]

I said at the top of the show, when I was talking specifically about New York, that if, sure, we can say this, this new guy is the mayor of New York City. But if New York is no longer a cohesive set of values, of culture, of language, of ideals, then it's not really New York. It's just an island where there's a bunch of competing interests constantly speaking over each other and fighting each other. And it's more like Babylon than it is the United States of America. Right? And I think we're facing that question in real time. Very few people have been willing to ask the question, and I don't have the answer to this yet. I think we all collectively as a movement, need to have this, this question asked and answered in real time in a great dialogue and competing ideas. What is an American? Have we lost the concept of the United States if we've gone so far in that direction already, or how do we get it back?

[Joe Bob]

Well, this is the problem. If you're explaining, you're losing, right? It takes nuance. Well, and I think at the basis of it, right, you hear this idea of like, diversity is our greatest strength. Like, it's not. It's unity. Diversity is great, especially in thought, right? You need a bunch of different ideas to be able to figure out what's the best idea going forward. Diversity and race means nothing. It's like diversity and height, like it doesn't actually matter. But ultimately, if you have the mindset of like, well, we have to push diversity, diversity first. That's the best thing we need to do. Well, then you've lost the plot of what the United States was meant to be, which is a unified group of.

[Isabel Brown]

People who have e pluribus unum out.

[Joe Bob]

Of many, many more. They have a similar set of values and that value system is going to take them forward into the future as opposed to a bunch of different competing interests that, that don't align and can't align. And and if you have that again, you have, you have chaos, you have insanity. And you know, to your point about New York, was it, I think it was Pope John Paul that said language is the culture, the goat, Right?

[Isabel Brown]

Like, anyway, sorry, people.

[Joe Bob]

If people don't speak the same language and if people don't share the same cultural values, you're. There's no other route than chaos, right? Like, you know, it doesn't matter, you know, what race you are, what you know, your background is. If you don't share the values of the system that you're in, the system isn't going to work. It's like trying to put different parts of a machine together to, to make something. It's just. The machine's not going to work.

[Isabel Brown]

Interesting. That's fascinating to chew on. What are you going to say?

[Joe Bob]

I don't know.

[Isabel Brown]

You were ready. Let me ask you this then, Joe. This normalization of violence getting so much louder when it comes to, like, homicidal maniacs now in elect office in places like Virginia, where sh.

[Joe Bob]

Somebody got elected.

[Isabel Brown]

I know. And again, that. That alone, that's not even a joke. That's the thing is I'm laughing, saying.

[Joe Bob]

I'm laughing, but it's not funny.

[Isabel Brown]

It's not funny. People are like, wait, what? I didn't know that. And I voted for the guy. Like, wake the freak up, people, is all I have to say about that. That, to me, starts at the foundation of the normalization of violence when it's a little bit less obvious, right? I'm incredibly outspoken about this in so many different areas of our culture. But sure, when you dehumanize what is obviously a human being in front of you on an ultrasound or in the process of giving birth, because it's not really a human, it's just a clump of cells. When you say that, yeah, women's rights matter and we should believe all women, except when it happens in a locker room for teenagers in a state like Virginia, because that's not really affirming to everybody. It doesn't really matter how many girls are getting raped in their school locker rooms and bathrooms, as long as it's happening by a guy who's wearing a skirt or a dress or this type of nuance that we have just allowed to let thrive because we haven't defeated those bad ideas up front. I think is what's escalating to what's visibly the more obvious aspect of political violence, like assassinations, like all of this stuff calling for the. The death of people's children. How do we go back to those foundations and start appropriately saying the hard thing and saying no. Human dignity matters, protecting human rights matters, protecting the lives of innocent people matters. I don't care what the political backlash is. We need to start saying that.

[Joe Bob]

Well, okay, not to, not to throw another question back, but is, is.

[Isabel Brown]

What.

[Joe Bob]

Job that, that feels to me like a religious job.

[Isabel Brown]

Right.

[Joe Bob]

And I don't want to take everything back to like church, church attendance, but like, you know, you've got this idea of, you know, it's been over talk, it's been talked to death. The idea of like indoctrinating kids in schools and the school system is based on hating whatever it is that America has become or was in the past. And all of those things, you know, kind of necessitate a reset at the fundamental childhood level. Right. Anytime conservatives do anything involving kids, it's called propaganda when it should be called propagation of bringing kids up in the correct way. Because there are things that have been settled throughout time, history. You don't need to re litigate that. You don't need to. Sorry. Not that you don't need to. You shouldn't have to relitigate these fundamental truths and the fundamental values. And when you do and when you open that up for, well, you know, let's just, let's take a look at everything again. You, you get into the wonky fringe ideas of. Well, sometimes it's. If a person says something I don't like and I really, really hate them, that means I get to do something bad to them. Yeah, it's like, no, that, that's settled. We've gone through that as a human species already and we don't need to have to do that again. But if you don't instill that value early on, then you have people who are just kind of all over the place. And then those people get to college and then they, you know, you said.

[Isabel Brown]

Something there that was interesting and we only have a couple of minutes left, but I want to dive into this for a second second with you. That the basis of the indoctrination we've seen with children, and those children are now grown ups obviously, and we've seen this happen throughout our lifetime is based in the hatred of America and the hatred of what it was intended to be. I think that's exactly correct. It's why you have seen this like deconstruction movement of who our founder founding fathers were and what the Constitution means.

[Joe Bob]

Old white guys, right?

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah. This whole like everything that is the basis of our society is evil. Ten years ago, when I first got involved in the conservative movement, Charlie was originally coming to college campuses and I was going to my very first turning point events near, near a decade ago, that hatred manifested in, well, we should reform the Constitution and we should pack the Supreme Court and we should do all these things. That rhetoric has now gotten so insane that it's literally like, nah, we should just kill all the people that disagree with us and that espouse the traditional founding values of our country. Or maybe not quite as radical. We need to have cities, have cities reborn with new values. Which Mamdani said in his acceptance speech last night. This is a city reborn. I am Muslim, I am socialist. I am not apologizing for it. I think we're about to find out real quick what reborn actually means.

[Joe Bob]

Yeah.

[Isabel Brown]

How do we return a love of America, regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, back to be a common value in our society again, can.

[Joe Bob]

We, there's no easy answer because, I mean, if, if I were king, which by the way, I'm campaigning, no kings, Joe Bucks. No, I, I would be a great king. I would be your benevolent leader. And I think you should all elect me king because that's how you get crowned king, right?

[Isabel Brown]

Apparently you get elected.

[Joe Bob]

Yeah, but if I were king, I would honestly, I, I, I, I, thinking about this for a couple seconds would probably say you gotta scrap the ability for it to be easy to coast on by. Like you have to revert people who are struggling back to the institutions that helped people who were struggling for the last 2000 years. Right. You can't have people who are, are just solely dependent on a system think that the system is bad. Right. Like, if you're solely dependent on the government, right. So to speak, you're going to always think anything the government does is good. So again, this is 30,000 foot, very, very broad. But if somebody depends on something else outside of the government, they're going to naturally retract back to conservative Christian, American values because that's what the country was founded on. Right? The idea that every man is free, maximum freedom is the highest priority. And in order to do that, you have to be able to, like I said, govern yourself. And if you don't have to govern yourself, many people won't. And that's, that's the problem. I would, I would, as king, I would eliminate all of the inability to govern you. I would make you have to govern yourself by eliminating, not gonna get in trouble. A lot of things, a lot of things that make it, make it easier for people to not have to take responsibility for their actions.

[Isabel Brown]

Mm, that's well said. I want to dive into that on another episode with you. Frankly, I want to sit down over a glass of wine and talk for, like, four hours on an episode. So I'm sure we'll schedule that for the next few weeks. But love the random coincidence that we happened to be in New York together. And I'm so excited for you. For those that don't know, Joe Bob is actually opening for the Megyn Kelly tour.

[Joe Bob]

That's why we're in town.

[Isabel Brown]

Joe Bob opened for all of Charlie's stops on Charlie Kirk's tour, which I know is still hard to talk about. It is for me too.

[Joe Bob]

I can't not throw in the caveat of Megan graciously reached out and offered the position because Charlie was set to do one of the events, and she said we need to have a turning point presence there. And so, you know, as great as that sounds like, oh, cool. I'm a comedian opening for Megyn Kelly. It really is, you know, because of the. The tragic situation we. We find ourselves in. And it's. Yeah, it's. It's. It's great. And also very humbling and tragic at the same time.

[Isabel Brown]

Absolutely. Well, I'm loving seeing you shine on this new stage, and I know you are making Charlie very, very proud. Go check out a stop on the Megyn Kelly tour so that you can see Joe Bob in action. You'll be here in New York tonight, which is very exciting, in Florida to tomorrow, if I'm remembering correctly. Florida, but all over. All over the country and you're the host of your own show. Where can people watch it? Where can people follow you?

[Joe Bob]

Ton point tonight. Well, easy. Just type in J O, B O B. There's not a lot of brown guys named Joe.

[Isabel Brown]

Why? Why is that your name?

[Joe Bob]

One grandpa was Joe, the other one was Bob. My parents yolo pretty hard and they decided we're going to not pick one. We're going to use both of them. And so they gave the brown guy the hillbilly Alabama backwoods name. So just type in J O B o B pretty much anywhere. But also turning point tonight, every night on Real America's Voice, except when we're traveling. Interestingly enough. You can't watch it tonight. Actually, no, I lied. We did pre record an episode for tonight, but you can't watch it one of the days of this week.

[Isabel Brown]

Figure it out. Jo. B, O B. Joe Bob. Thank you for joining us on the show. Thank you for being an amazing friend. I'm still going to keep twisting your arm to move out of the hellhole that is California and do a family compound in the woods very, very soon. We love you and thank you guys for watching this episode of the Isabel Brown Show. The biggest thing I want to leave you with is this. J.D. vance reminded us when he was on stage at Ole Miss last week and I had forgotten this Despair is a sin. It is because ultimately we have to have hope. That is what faith is completely based in, is hope. And that hope should spur us into action. So we may be upset by some of the results that happened last night. I honestly don't think anyone is that upset. No one is really surprised that that's where we are the day after election Day today. But don't despair at what you are seeing might be the degradation of political normalcy, the normalization of violence, the degradation of America. Act on it. Do something about it. Speak up now. Share content from your favorite creators. Vote in elections. Run for office yourself. I really still do believe the United States is still built on the idea of we the People. And as long as we are willing to get involved and fight for our country and our culture, there is never a reason to despair. We'll see you guys tomorrow with a very special interview from our friend Michaela Skinner, former Olympic gymnast and silver medalist at the Olympics, to talk about her new partnership with XXXY and protecting girls in women's sports. Thank you guys.