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Experian in today's episode, I'm going to be talking about the three must know signs of whether you are being gaslit. So we're going to be talking about how do you know it, what to do, and if it's you who's actually unconsciously, unknowingly doing the gaslighting. All that and more coming up. Welcome to the Jefferson Fisher Podcast where I'm on a mission to make your next conversation the one that changes everything. I want to give some exciting news and that is the Next Conversation Workbook is officially out for pre sale. You can find the links down in the show notes. It's something I have worked very hard on to make sure you have practical exercises to continue your communication journey. Also, if you're listening and you have not done it, please click Wherever you see, subscribe. It helps me, it helps my family, and it tells wherever you're listening that this is good content. And that's my mission to make you a better communicator. One conversation at a time. 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The veracity of what you say to make you question your own state of mind. It comes from what I researched as a term from a play. And I think it was actually a movie like in the 1930s where it was a woman and her husband and in the house they had a gas light out in the yard. And what he would do is every once in a while, turn it a little bit lower. And she'd say, like, isn't it. I think it's. That light's a little bit lower. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. You're crazy. It looks exactly like it was yesterday. And the whole moral of the story was that she eventually just kind of lost her mind where she was doubting everything, right? And it was a control tactic of, by this husband of saying, you can't. You, you can't trust your own memory. You, you can only trust me. That's really what gaslighting is. It's where you're saying, look, you can't trust what you think. You, you have to trust what I think. I'm the one who's responsible. I'm the one who is going to say what you should think and how you should think it and what's the truth and what's not the truth. What I say is the truth, not what you say. And so gaslighting presents itself in a way, in a variety of different ways. And it can be conscious, unconscious, meaning it can be intentional and also unintentional. For example, maybe have you ever Try to get somebody off the scent of something. It's not an outright lie, but you're bringing something up in a way or maybe distracting something in a way that's going to keep you from getting in trouble, right? So if I were to say, I don't know, this is going to be a very caveman like example, but if I asked my daughter, did you eat the cookie? And she said, no, that would be a lie. But if she tried to convince me somehow that there was never any cookie, like, what are you talking about? There was no cookie. Nothing happened. You see how that's all of a sudden changing my whole mindset of like, oh, maybe I'm losing it. My memory, where you're trying to throw somebody off a scent. So it can be. Let me just say this. I've gaslit, you've gaslit. We all have done it intentionally, unintentionally. It happens. It's different from lying in the aspect of gaslighting. It's typically a pattern. A pattern of getting somebody to only accept what you say is true in order to protect yourself, in order to make sure that you are the one that is secure and the other person is. Is made to feel inconvenient and a problem. And that's not healthy conversation. A healthy conversation doesn't make you the problem for pointing out that there's a problem. Healthy conversation should make you feel like you wish there was a witness to it. Healthy conversation is where you can say something and they consider it and want to know your perspective rather than just saying, there is only one experience and it is my experience. So in a nutshell, that is gaslighting. So let's look at the internal and external factors of whether or not in that moment, how do you know, am I being gaslit? Maybe there's something going on in your life right now and with another person, boyfriend, girlfriend, romantic relationship, whatever it is, and you're going, I don't know if I'm really being gaslit. Here's some tips. All right? Number one, if you feel like you leave conversations more confused, right? If you feel like you are always doubting, am I the one? Is it? Is it me? Am I crazy? Am I the problem? Am I? Is it me? Whenever you have that high sense of self reflection onto you, not on the whole moment, not on the whole conversation, not the overview, instead you have that self reflection onto you that you must be the problem if you continue to start to feel the need to write things down right after they happen, because all of a sudden you don't trust yourself. We just had a conversation. Now I need to write it down. I need to make that note now. I need to have this in writing. I need to have proof. Otherwise you're not going to trust yourself of what you're saying. Those are high internal factors that something else is going on. Because healthy conversation doesn't need proof of the truth. Whenever you feel like you are constantly going, I don't. This just doesn't feel right to me. I. I feel like I'm the only one that's pointing out there's a problem. And all of a sudden when I point out a problem, it's. I'm the issue now. Now it's about me. And you're starting to feel guilty for bringing things up. That's a problem. When you feel guilty, where you feel almost like an inconvenience in order to say that something is a problem or point out an issue, and all of a sudden it now becomes you. It's always you. You're the one that's doing this. You can never be happy. You're the only one. Any of that kind of stuff is high likelihood, I would say red flag factors, high risks of somebody potentially gaslighting you. Now I want to talk about external factors. This to me happens a lot in conversation in terms of shifts. Narcissists do this, Toxic people do this. We all do this. I find it as a symptom of gaslighting to where it shifts from something about them to something about you. Right. You might hear it as flipping the table. They have flipped the conversation and that's exactly what it is. So instead of it being about the impact of how it felt to you, it's now become about their intention of what they intended to do. And because they intended this, well, then that's the end of it. I don't care about how you feel the impact. You shouldn't be feeling that. That's not what I intended. And because I didn't intend for you to be upset, I didn't intend for you to be so frustrated. Well, then that's your problem. Because that wasn't my intent. And if it wasn't my intent, then, sorry, this is the only truth. This is the only experience that matters. Maybe there's another shift that all of a sudden it's not about what they said, it's now about your tone now it's about how you said things. Yeah, I said this, but if you hadn't have just used that tone, you know, that tone you always have. If it was all Of a sudden you being the problem, right? When you know good and well you're like, no, this is. Something is off here. This is where I'm going to remind you. Trust your gut, right? Trust your gut when that happens, when you feel like something is off high, sign here that those external factors are pointing to something is pushing on you. Before we continue, I want to take a second to tell you about Wayfair. This new year. One of the things I always try to do is redecorate or reorganize a space. 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And now let's keep going. Here's another shift when it comes from accountability on their part to all of a sudden shifts to sensitivity on your part. Meaning they could take all accountability right then and there. And instead of taking accountability, they shift it to now being about you being too sensitive. You can't take a joke, you can't be normal with anybody else. You're less than because you're too sensitive. And all of a sudden you're now questioning yourself of am I too sensitive? Is there something wrong with me? It's where that self reflection piece becomes the center of everything in my opinion. I find that most people who are susceptible to being gaslit are the people that are more insecure and often more self reflective, meaning they overthink things in their head all the time. They say something and then they overthink a conversation. That they had said, like, why did I say that? That was so dumb. I must look so stupid to them. And they really get negative in their own thoughts about that. That's where I find that people who are gaslighting kind of get into the crevices of that. They can tell, and they prey on those type of personalities. Here's one last shift that I think I see a lot is it shifts from their behavior to. To your reaction, meaning it doesn't matter what they've done, how they've behaved, what they've said, how. How they've. How they've reacted, their own behavior, and now becomes about how you reacted to them. They wouldn't have done this had you not reacted that way. You know, they wouldn't have done X, Y and Z had it. You not. It's all. It's. It's reverse. Rather than talking about cause and effect, they're saying that the effect was what stimulated the cause. Like that's. It's the opposite. It's illogical thinking. And that's the whole point of gaslighting is it is illogical thinking that ultimately only harms you. All right, now that we've talked about both the internal factors and the external factors that can signal to you, if somebody is gaslighting you, what are you going to do about it? Like, what's, what's there to do about it? Here's where I want to give you some tools right away, right? Anytime that somebody is trying to pull that onto you, There's a phrase that I continue to teach time and time again because it works so well. And it is this. I remember things differently, period. It's not ellipses. It's not. It is. I remember things differently and sticking with it. Not trying to move off, not trying to over explain, to justify. None of that's going to work. Because the more you justify and try to explain, the more you are exposing the things that they can try and shift right to, for behavior, to reaction, from accountability to sensitivity, any of that kind of stuff. That's their playground. So rather than trying to chase everything and dig every hole, I want you to just say, I remember things differently. If that doesn't feel good to you, say that wasn't my experience, period. It's the ellipses that get you when you say that wasn't my experience because you said this and I said this and you continue to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. And now you are. And now it becomes how, oh my gosh, you're so draining. You can you hear Yourself right now. Can you hear how crazy you sound? Ever been told that before? Can you hear how crazy you sound whenever you hear that red flag should just be waving. Alarms should be going off in your mind when you just. Can you. Can you hear how insane you are? How crazy you are? Insane, crazy, unreasonable, irrational. That's a good one. Those are words that I would say, I'd put in the box of. These are words that gaslighters use a lot to try and convince you that something is wrong with you. Everybody else is normal, but you're not. All right? And when that happens, I want you to go back to what you know and be grounded and say I remember things differently. That wasn't my experience. No matter what they say and they're going to try and come back on you, try and push you off trying to spotlight something else. I want you to come right back to that wasn't my experience. That to me is something that keeps you so grounded in that moment that they really can't do anything with it. So that's a phrase that's going to help you time and time again. Before we keep going, I want to take a moment to tell you about a sponsor that I use almost every single day, if not every day is momentous. Like me. You're probably somebody who has a very busy life and you have work, you have kids, you have obligations and responsibilities and you don't have time to make sure that you're in some a thousand percent peak fitness. Why? Because sometimes you skip breakfast, you skip lunch. I do it. It's not ideal, but it happens. 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So right now, you can go to livemomentous.com, use the promo code Jefferson for up to 35% off. That's live momentous.com, use the code Jefferson and get up to 35% off. You won't regret it. And now let's keep going. What about for the people who go, am I gaslighting people? And I don't even know it. Am I doing something that I'm unconscious of? Here's where I would point out to you. Gaslighting is a pattern. So it's not just kind of this one off thing. It's a pattern of doing it. So how can you tell if you're gaslighting somebody if at the end of the conversation, you have to walk away as the victor? It can only be your truth. You're the only one that's right. The other person is doubting themselves at the end of the conversation, yet you are completely sure of yourself. The other person is a little confused, and you feel completely justified. They feel apologetic, and you feel like they. You absolutely deserved every bit of an apology. And you don't have to offer anything where you're discussing a problem and they're the problem and you're no part of the problem. You see how off kilter that is when. When the scales just absolutely always put you on top. You're never part of the problem. You never have to apologize. You know everything. Only your experience is the right one. Only what you have to say. You're the one who has the final say, the final answer. You always have to be right. Anything that they say is irrational, illogical, unreasonable, crazy, insane. I'm gonna have to break it to you. You're most likely delving into a behavior of gaslighting the other person in your life. So I hope that this is an episode that has been a little bit enlightening for you. Of the three signs that you really need to make sure that you know if somebody is gaslighting you in your life. All right, we talked about what gaslighting is. Some internal and external signs of whether that's happening to you. We talked about what to do when it happens. And three, we really talked about how to know if it's you that's doing it unconsciously, unknowingly, to somebody else. And if it's always that, you're the one that has to end up with no mud on you and the other person has to be caked all over, chances are you might be gaslighting somebody again. That does not mean you're a terrible person. All right? Because we. We all do it to some extent. It's more so that you catching it and not making it a pattern and giving yourself a little bit of grace and being able to say, hey, there are two sides to this coin that I. I can say that's not my experience. Help me understand what. What was yours to say? I remember things differently. What do you remember? If you can open your mind and reverse that damage by saying, hey, look, the other day, I kind of closed you down. I kind of. I did. I did close you down and made it to where my explanation was really the only logical explanation. I don't think that was very fair. Can I hear what you had to say again one more time? You see how you can start to kind of unwind that before it gets entrenched into you? Just being this scrooge of my way always has to be right. And if it's not, I have to divert to protect myself, to make sure that I'm the smartest, the best. The shield. Whatever bad behavior I've been doing. That's what I'm talking about. Gaslighting it is out there more than you think. That's why you need to protect yourself. So I hope you're able to share this episode. And as always, you can try that and follow me.