The number of new Catholic converts just hit a 20-year high, driven largely by young men searching for a faith with roots, authority, and tradition.

But alongside this Catholic revival, something else is growing — something that calls itself Catholic but may not be: Catholic Integralism. Its proponents argue that the state must submit to the Church, that only baptized Catholics deserve full citizenship, and that the American founding — the Declaration, the Constitution, the separation of church and state — is heresy.

James M Patterson is an associate professor of public affairs in the Institute of American Civics at the University of Tennessee's Baker School of Public Policy and Public Affairs. He's also a contributing editor at Law and Liberty. He's President of the Ciceronian Society, and he's an affiliated scholar for the Center for Religion, Culture and Democracy. He's written two books, Religion in the Public Square and the upcoming book Why Post Liberalism Failed.

And they're not just in the academy. They're in the White House.

It's Episode 8 of The Jeremy Boreing Show.

00:00 Catholic Membership Is Surging — and So Is Integralism

01:16 Is There a Catholic Plot to Overthrow the American Founding?

02:05 What Is Catholic Integralism?

06:29 Why We're Talking About This Now

08:19 How Big Is the Movement?

09:42 What Is Post-Liberalism — and Why Is It a Rebrand?

17:49 Is JD Vance an Integralist?

23:26 How Concerned Should Non-Catholics Be?

25:19 The Historical Links Between Integralism and Fascism

32:01 Why Integralists Want to Divide Catholics, Protestants, and Jews

33:17 Can You Be "America First" and an Integralist?

45:52 The "Empire of Guadalupe" and Elite Capture

50:15 What Ordinary Catholics Need to Know

54:39 The Vatican Has Already Rejected This