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Exclusive Interview with Senator Mark Kelly, Wajahat Ali on Trump's "Sh*thole Rally," and Doctor Rob Davidson on RFK Junior's Vaccine Madness
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Jim Acosta
Foreign.
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Show. And it's another day that ends in Y in the affordability crisis in America. Donald Trump says the economy is an A plus plus plus, even though there are few Americans who would agree with that. My big guest this hour is Arizona Democratic Senator Mark Kelly. Senator, good to see you. Thanks for coming on.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Good to see you, Jim. A correction, though. He didn't say plus plus plus. He had five, which is the same, a lot of pluses there, which is the same number of his draft deferments. Five pluses. Five draft deferments.
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Jim Acosta
There you go. It all, it all lines up now. The math makes sense all of a sudden. Senator, it's good to see you. And, and you've been very busy lately. You've been going through a lot. I want to get into how the administration has been coming after you, but I do want to talk about this, the economy. And Trump had this event in Pennsylvania last night where he tried to claim that the affordability crisis is a scam in this country. How's the affordability issue in Arizona? How's it playing in your state?
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Senator Mark Kelly
Well, it's the same as it is basically every everywhere else. I read this morning that 55% of Americans are having a hard time affording food they don't have enough to eat because it's too expensive. And Donald Trump makes jokes about it, like, affordability being this, like, new word, and it's all a hoax. Calls it a hoax, which is, I mean, it's really sad because if you don't believe something, is he going to spend any time working on it and trying to solve this problem? And the answer to that is no. He's going to wake up every day and do what he does now, which is he's trying to figure out how to enrich himself and his family and his friends.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Senator Mark Kelly
And not focused on the things that the American people elected him to do. Before he got elected, he talked a lot about bringing down the costs of things. You know, groceries was high in his lists.
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The way he would talk about it, you know, also didn't make a ton of sense. Like, it was, you know, he would, he would say how, this is a new word, groceries. It's an old word. Now we're using it again. He doesn't understand anything about what the American people go through. I mean, I, I grew up in New Jersey. My parents were cops. I remember my mom, you know, sitting at the kitchen table every week trying to figure out which bills to pay and, you know, try to work within a budget. That's not Donald Trump's life experience.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Right.
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Jim Acosta
And apparently people were leaving this rally and telling reporters, you know, that maybe they like Donald Trump, but they absolutely are going through an affordability crisis in this country. And the other crisis that I think we're dealing with is the way Trump is going after his perceived political enemies. He's identified you as one of those individuals, and I know that just yesterday, Democrats on the Senate Armed Services Committee fired off a letter to the Secretary of the Navy talking about the Pentagon's investigation into you and saying it's an outright brazen abuse of power. How are you responding to that? I mean, are you just taking this incoming and, and riding it out? Might you go after the administration in some way? I've heard some folks ask you about lawsuits and so on. How are you going to handle this?
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Senator Mark Kelly
Well, I've been through harder things than this in my life. You know, I've. Even though this president called for me to be hanged, executed. I've had a missile blow up next to my airplane. I've almost gotten shot down a number of times. I mean, maybe a dozen times where it was. Felt like it was pretty close. I flew on a rocket ship four times. My wife was nearly assassinated, shot in the head. I sat next to her hospital bed for six months. I've been through a lot in service to our country, a lot more than Donald Trump's been through, and I'm not going to be intimidated by him or anybody else in his government. I mean, if he thinks I'm going to back down and shut my mouth and not do my job, he's got another thing coming that's not going to happen. You know, what do we, what do we do now? Well, first of all, I have not been notified by the United States Navy officially in any way. The only thing I have seen is when Pete Hegseth, the most unqualified Secretary of Defense in our country's history, tweeted something about this and then later tweeted a date, which was today, that the Navy has to get back to him about. What are they going to do? I mean, they're going to try. They might try to prosecute me under the Uniform Code of Military justice for saying something that is in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Also, by the way, a thing that Pete Hegseth said over and over again about Donald Trump, specifically about him.
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Jim Acosta
That's right.
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Senator Mark Kelly
We weren't even specific.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, well, and, and, I mean, he's firing off Truth Social Post, accusing The New York Times of, you know, of basically seditious behavior and calling them the enemy because they talked about his cognitive decline and his, you know, says declining physical stamina and so on. I mean, we're getting to a place in this country where you just can't say what you want to say about the President. United States. That just doesn't sound like America to me.
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Senator Mark Kelly
It's unconstitutional. I don't think Donald Trump has read the Constitution. I think he's ignorant to it. He's ignorant to a lot. I don't think he understands that this is the foundation of our democracy. I don't think he understands what it is to be an American.
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I mean, nobody in his family has ever served in our military. I mean, you go back generations in my family, four generations. I mean, as far back as we can figure out, somebody has served in the US Military. You know, my brother and I, my twin brother, my dad served in the army. I have a grandfather that served in the Navy. I have a great grandfather that served in the United States Navy. Donald Trump. Nothing, I mean, all this guy cares about is figuring out how he can fleece the American people out of their money, including his supporters. I feel really bad for those folks, those folks that showed up at that rally, you know, last night that are, you know, signing up for Trump phones, that they'll never get that buy his meme coin. And then, you know, Don Jr. Does a rug pull and they lose their retirement savings. I mean.
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It is, you know, this president's presidency has been a travesty for this country.
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Jim Acosta
It's been staggering. I mean, the level of corruption, there's no question about, it's very Putin, like it seems to me. And the other thing that we have to get into, because you mentioned Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, he calls himself the Secretary of War, which is not a real thing, I guess. Trump is now saying that he's not so sure about releasing this video of the so called second strike on that alleged drug boat back in September after he said a week ago that he had no problem with doing that. Sounds like there's something wrong with this video. What, what can you tell us?
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Senator Mark Kelly
What do you know? I haven't seen it, but I've talked to folks who have seen it. It's rather up close and it's, it's graphic. I think the American people have a right to see what their military is doing.
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This is, I don't want to prejudge because I think there needs to be an investigation. There needs to Be accountability. But this does seem to be kind of the definition of, like, stuff you're not supposed to do in the manual of war. Geneva Conventions. Maybe they have some more information. Maybe we'll learn, you know, something, you know, differently. But this is the kind of stuff we were worried about. We have a secretary of defense.
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Nothing against people in your business there, Jim, but, I mean, he was the morning, Saturday morning Fox News guy, and he wasn't even really good at that. And, I mean, how was he qualified in any way for this job? He wasn't. And then he. He gets into the position and he's trying to change the culture of our military to be one of hunting and killing people. I mean, that's what he said on that stage with all those admirals and generals and senior enlisted. We're going to hunt, kill people. And he's working for a president who, when asked about, you know, conflict, doesn't talk about the, you know, the laws of armed conflict and who we are as a nation and our morality and our ethical standards and rules of engagement. He president says, oh, we're just going to kill people.
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That creates an environment that puts tremendous pressure on the people in the chain of command underneath the secretary of Defense, you know, because he's setting the policy, he's setting the framework for how he wants them to operate. And then you see something like this happen where you have, you know, two individuals who, you know, were probably, you know, probably running cocaine through the Caribbean.
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But they then get, you know, executed essentially when they're not a threat to anybody. And that's really troubling. That's not. You know, things happen, bad things happen, you know, in conflict. But this doesn't seem like anybody was under threat in this case.
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Jim Acosta
Right. And the other issue is, is that the secretary of defense, I mean, should be able to tell the president no. Right. I mean, isn't that sort of the job of. Of a cabinet secretary? From time to time you have to tell the president when something is illegal, something is un American, something is contrary to our values, and instead, what we see when they go around the cabinet table is that they all either praise him or talk to him while he's taking a nap.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Well, they. They kiss his ass. Well, even sometimes when he's awake and when he's asleep, you know, the commander in sleep, you know, hey, so, you know, here's the thing. I.
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I was the commander of the space shuttle a couple times, and we usually get assigned to a mission a year and a half, two years in advance, and one of my early meetings with my crew members, I would sit them down, I would tell them, hey, you're required to question my decisions. Not optional. What we're trying to do here is incredibly dangerous, high risk, really hard. Things can go wrong very easily. I don't have all the answers. You know, if you think we should be doing something differently, we'll work it out together. We'll figure it out.
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That was my message to people that I. That worked for me. When I'm the boss, I. In this office, where I'm now here, I want my staff members to tell me when they think I'm, like, screwed up about something. I don't have every answer. Of course, this president doesn't. I think he's a. But then he puts a bunch of yes people around him this. This time around, and you see what happens. I mean, how much worse is this term of Donald Trump, this presidency, compared to the last one? What was different? Well, last time he put some people around him that would tell him when he was full of, not anymore. Those people are gone. Now he's got a bunch of sycophants around him that just want his approval. And Pete Hegseth is one of the biggest. You know, you see him in that cabinet meeting.
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It'S embarrassing. I don't know how these folks are going to be able to live with themselves after this.
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Jim Acosta
Right? There are no John Kelly's anymore, no General Mattis's, no McMasters, no McMaster. It's unbelievable. And this was sort of the message that you were delivering to service members, along with other Democrats in Congress, saying to your fellow service members, listen, if an unlawful order comes along, you're not required to follow it.
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Senator Mark Kelly
This administration pitting our uniform military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect.
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Wajahat Ali
And defend this constitution.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear.
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Jim Acosta
You can refuse illegal orders, and they come after you, accuse you of sedition. And, you know, I mean, maybe it's just me, but I, to me, inciting an insurrection at the Capitol, pretty damn seditious behavior. I mean, that's pretty contrary to, you know, respecting a peaceful transfer of power. And I, you know, your thoughts on just the hypocrisy here?
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Senator Mark Kelly
Well, I mean, I. I mean, I, who knows? You know, 20 years from now, you look up hypocrisy in the dictionary and maybe there's a picture of Donald Trump, Pete Hegseth, and Pam Bondi. Now I mean, she, she hasn't said much about this. You know, I always like to call balls and strikes. I haven't heard her say much. But a year ago, she sent a brief to the Supreme Court where she talked about these specific things that members of the military are not allowed to follow illegal orders.
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Pretty much verbatim what we said in a brief in defense of Donald Trump getting immunity for what he did on January 6, she was, you know, had. Had a. Had to outline what, why the military would not listen to a president who gave an unlawful order.
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That was a year ago. Pete Hegseth's comments were In 2016, after Donald Trump talked about killing the families of terrorists on a debate stage, you know, saying that we would the military should kill women and children who are family members of terrorists. And Bret Baer of Fox News said, well, the military won't do that because that's illegal. And Donald Trump's response was, well, they will not refuse my orders. In response to that, Pete Hegseth on multiple occasions started talking about this exact issue, that under the Uniform Code of Military justice, you are not allowed to follow unlawful orders. And he made a very strong argument about why that is so important. Go ahead and torture.
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Wajahat Ali
Go ahead and go further than waterboarding. What happens when people follow those orders.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Or don't follow them? It's not clear that Donald Trump will have their back. Donald Trump is oftentimes about Donald Trump. And so if you're not changing the law and you're just saying it, you create even more ambiguity.
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Wajahat Ali
Well, even if he had their back.
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Jim Acosta
They'D be in trouble.
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Senator Mark Kelly
I mean, you tell me.
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Wajahat Ali
I had a guy, I had a dad stop me.
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Senator Mark Kelly
I don't know what happened to that. Pete Hegseth, he actually seemed like quite a reasonable guy who understood the law and understood some of the values that our military has embraced for 250 years and now.
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Jim Acosta
Making sense back then.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Yeah, he was making sense. And then he gets offered this job and he has to fall in line with the rest of them.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. And, Senator, I know you're busy and I don't want to hold you up too long, but I want to talk a little bit about the rally that Trump had last night in that he went on beyond the, the affordability message, of course, went off script, said a bunch of crazy stuff. But one of the things in particular that I wanted to ask you about is, you know, he talks about shithole countries. He talks about, you know, how he doesn't want immigrants coming from countries he, he deems to be Countries. And he basically, this was a scandal back in the first term. I covered it. And he denied, he basically denied that he said it at the time. And then last night he acknowledged that he, he essentially said this, let's play this and we'll talk about it.
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Donald Trump
And I say, why is it we only take people from countries, right? Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden? Just a few. Let us have a few from, from Denmark. Do you mind sending us a few people? Send us some nice people.
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Jim Acosta
Do you mind?
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Donald Trump
But we always take people from Somalia, places that are a disaster. Right. Filthy, dirty, disgusting, ridden with crime.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. I mean, Senator, I mean, it's just contrary to who we are. When he talks like that. It, it's just not who we are as a country.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Well, I kind of, I kind of wonder. I mean, when I, when I listen to that, my ancestors, I have my great grandmother's immigration, her citizenship on the wall, my office here from Poland. But I also think of my Irish ancestors on both sides, my mom and dad's sides, the Kelly's and the McAvoys, who came here around the time of the potato famine, who was. Were fleeing starvation. I mean, I imagine Donald Trump in the later part of the 19th century would refer to Ireland as a shithole country.
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People come from all over the world. I mean, we're a country of immigrants, basically, all of us. I mean, I have two Native Americans that work in my office.
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The two of them aside, the rest of us come from immigrants from one place or another. You know, I'm proud of these people that come here for a better. I mean, it says, you know, on the, on the base of the Statue of Liberty that that is who we are as a nation, and we've always been this way. And now Donald Trump wants to change it. You know, the strength of our country is one of our great strengths, I believe, is our diversity as a nation. We get people from all over the place, have different kind of experiences, think about problems in different ways. You know, immigrants start businesses at a much higher rate than somebody who's born here, you know, because they're just trying to make their. Figure out a way to, you know, support their families.
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Wajahat Ali
Yeah.
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Senator Mark Kelly
And then this guy wants to throw them out. I've got a woman that lives in Arizona, who's lived in Arizona for 20 years, fleeing communist China. She's sitting in an ICE detention center with a deportation order. Her name's Kelly Yu. She has multiple businesses. She has 70 employees. Wow, 70. She's not only putting food on her Family's table. She's putting food on the tables of 70 other families, and this president wants to kick her out of the country. How does that make us any better? Again, I get back to Donald Trump doesn't understand what it means to be an American, and he reminds us of this on nearly a daily basis.
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Jim Acosta
Well, Senator Kelly, we appreciate your time very much. Salute your service and, you know, always thinking about Gabby, too. All the best to you and the whole family. Thanks a lot for joining us. Really appreciate it.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Thank you for having me on.
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Jim Acosta
All right, good to talk to you. All right, that was Senator Mark Kelly there. And, and I, I think the comments that he. I want to come back to the comments that he made there about his own immigrant background later on in the show, because I think it's, it's extremely important. We all come from somewhere. And I want to pick up the conversation right now, if I can, with our friend Wajahad Ali with the left hook. Waj, always great to see you, sir. I was just talking with Senator Kelly there, and he made it some real powerful statements there about how this is a country of immigrants, no matter what Donald Trump says and Stephen Miller says and the terrible example being set by ICE and so on, that this is still a country of immigrants. Your thoughts on. I mean, it was a shithole of a rally last night for Donald Trump.
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Wajahat Ali
My thoughts are this. You and me are proud children of immigrants. They keep telling us to go back. We ain't going back. We're here. White supremacy, I'm talking about white supremacy now, is an ideology of losers. It's a failed narrative. There's no such thing as a master race. We're all a mix and match of all these different folks. There's no pure race, folks. Race is a social construct. This country, I wanna remind all the viewers, this country saw Irish as not being white. This country saw Italians as not being white. Benjamin Franklin hated Germans, right? So Donald Trump and all these people who love when he says, go back to your shithole countries, go back to third world countries. We want only the pure people. People from Norway, your people were not considered white. In fact, everything that he says about Somalis, Haitians, Muslims, black people, Jim, they said this against Italians. They said this against the Irish, they said this against the Eastern European Jews. They said this against Cubans. And Cubans have had enough. Because last night I saw something and I want to ask you about this. I mean, I looked at those numbers. Eileen Higgins winning in mayor of Miami, first big time to ever be elected, first Democrat in 28 years and first non Latino in 30 years. She won, Jim. I thought, okay, she'll win by five to seven points. She won by 19 points. Then you saw the cross tabs. That means Cubans. Cubans for the first time vote. I mean, I don't think if people who don't understand, they all think there's a Latino vote. No, it doesn't work that way.
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Jim Acosta
That's right.
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Wajahat Ali
But maybe for the first time, we're witnessing an actual Latino bloc literally voting against Maga. And then Harry Enton on CNN today said it was Latino shift has been negative. 38 point swing.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Wajahat Ali
So he's lost so many people because I think a lot of the Cubans who are die. You know this, Jim. Die hard. My granddaddy voted Republican. My daddy voted.
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Jim Acosta
That's right.
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Wajahat Ali
And they're like, you suck. Your policies suck. I didn't vote for this. You see me coming from a shithole country. I didn't vote for ICE terrorizing us. F you.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Wajahat Ali
I'm going to vote for Eileen Higgins.
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Jim Acosta
No, you're absolutely right. I think it's a great point. And honestly, you know.
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I will say I don't think Cubans are a monolithic group. Sort of like Latinos are not a monolithic group. But down in Miami, they're pretty damn Republican. Down in Miami, they're definitely. I grew up in Northern Virginia. My, my dad came up here when he was 11 years old. And so he was sort of like, I call him one of the original dreamers because he was in this area. There weren't a whole lot of Latino kids running around and certainly not a lot of Cuban kids. And so he had a different experience grow up. So I had a different experience. But down in Miami, definitely a lot of Republicans. And this is how bad this is, how toxic Donald Trump and his brand is becoming. The Cubans in Miami are voting for a Democrat.
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Wajahat Ali
That's wild. That's wild.
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Jim Acosta
That's some loco shit. And you know, I mean, the thing I had, the problem, one of the problems I had with Donald Trump last night, I mean, he is getting more and more orange. This is burnt sienna. The, the shade that he's wearing these days. If he loves the whites so much, take off the fucking makeup. Go white.
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Wajahat Ali
Why are you trying to get a fake tan? See, white. I'm talking about white supremacy. And I know your audience knows the difference. If you are white, welcome.
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Senator Mark Kelly
It's.
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Wajahat Ali
You're part of the multicultural coalition of the willing. We're talking about white supremacists. Neo Nazis, hate mongers, right? These folks hate us, but they. They want to be us. They want the tans.
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Jim Acosta
They want.
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Wajahat Ali
They want our food. They want the seasoned chicken. You know, they love our women and men who are gorgeous. They love our music. That's what multiculturalism is and includes white people. And that's why I think it's a. It's an ideology of losers. It's a losing ideology, because the world will never be white, all right? Which is a social construct. The world is mixed. Even if you. Even if they try to have a master race, right? There's too many of us, too many brown. I've traveled around the world. So many brown people, biracial people, black people, Asian people. And then Jim. And then Jim, if they're. If they get their dream. Let's just. Let's just play this up. You do remigration, right? Which basically is a Nazi term that they're using now, Folks, I'm not making this up. Remigration is a Nazi term.
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Jim Acosta
That's right. You're right about that.
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Wajahat Ali
It's called ethnic cleansing. They want us all out. All right, you get us all out. What will happen to this country the next day, Jim, if all of us leave, it will transform into a shithole. It's already happening. Foreign travel has gone down under Trump. We've lost billions of dollars. There's been a brain drain. The best scientists are leaving. The best. We've seen Canada go to China. Soy farmers are, like, suicidal now because of a stupid trade war.
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Jim Acosta
And Norwegians don't want to come here. This. The Swedes and the Norwegians, they don't want. They have a good life in Sweden and Norway. And the other thing, too, is about Miami is Eileen Higgins. She ran on a. And a message of affordability. I've been saying, like, you know, Democrats worried they have a brand problem. Maybe they should call themselves the Affordability Party. I don't know. Maybe that's a good way to go for the next few years. But she ran on affordability and did very well down there. Trump has a rally that's supposed to be on affordability. Craps all over it. This is what he said last night about how you don't need to have 37 dolls. I'm sure you saw this watch. But let's. Let's talk about this.
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Donald Trump
Give up certain products.
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You can give up pencils.
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That's under the China policy. You know, every child can get 37 pencils. They only need one or two. You know, they don't need that many but you always need. You always need steel. You don't need $37 for your daughter. Two or three is nice, but you don't need $37.
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Jim Acosta
This is the guy that has gold everywhere in the Oval office, wants a $250 million ballroom, wants a golden Qatari jet. I mean, he is so full of shit. He is. He is such a stereotypical Richie Rich kid from New York, spoiled by his parents, never had any accountability, never had to do anything for himself. He's. He's the OG Nepo baby, and he's telling everybody else, no $37 for you. Where. What world is he from?
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Wajahat Ali
Billions for me and Elon Musk. No dolls and pencils for your kids. It's like, let me. Let me go with the Scrooge McDuck angle and let's see if I can win over people who are literally crazy, right? Because they can't afford groceries, because their electricity bill has gone up, because they're about to lose healthcare. Let's see if I can run with the affordability is a con message after Zohar, Dani just had a historic win. After Eileen Higgins had a win. This is who they are. This is who they are. What I've always said, Jim, is Donald Trump is a manifestation of America's two enduring sins that we refuse to confront white supremacy and greed, racism and greed. He's the inevitable avatar of it, this grotesque vulgarity. Like you said, billions for me. $300 million, ballroom for me. I get $5 billion to crypto. Peter Thiel gets what he wants. Elon Musk becomes a trillionaire. But you, you don't get a doll. You don't get a pencil. Just suck it up. Stop being lazy. Stop being a moocher. My friend who's a drug trafficker, I'll pardon him. My other friend, who's a billionaire who used. Who defrauded people from 1.5 billion. He gets pardoned. But Somalis, you're garbage. I think this is instructive crazy because the hoods are off. The hoods are off, and I'm going to say something. I'm going to prove it. The hoods are off and the swastikas are on. Because I remember a news story from about two weeks ago, Jim, that fell out. The Trump administration directed the Coast Guard to say that the news, the Confederate flag and the swastika were no longer symbols of hate. And remember that they got the pushback and like, okay, okay.
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Jim Acosta
Well, they had to walk it back.
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Wajahat Ali
What do you need to see, folks?
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Jim Acosta
They're Using.
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Wajahat Ali
Re. Migrate. That is a Nazi term. That is a Nazi term, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
And the other thing too, that this just came out this afternoon. They're going to. They. They want people who are coming into this country, just like on a trip to. To hand over their social media accounts. Did you see this?
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Wajahat Ali
In addition, that was last night. And that's from our allies, England and France and Germany.
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Jim Acosta
Foreigners who are allowed to come to the United States without a visa could soon be required to submit information about their social media email accounts and extensive family history of the Department of Homeland Security. Nobody's going to want to come here anymore.
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Wajahat Ali
Well, people already aren't coming, right? We already saw tourism from Europe has plummeted, folks.
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Jim Acosta
Plummeted.
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Wajahat Ali
We have lost billions of dollars. And furthermore, our brilliant immigrants who are here doing research on medicine or science, AI they're being poached aggressively by China, Japan and Europe. Canada is now making deals with China. China said, all right, you want to do a stupid trade for. We'll buy soy from Argentina and Brazil, literally. White supremacy is so self destructive, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
It really is. And I mean, to me, you know, he can't get out of the way of the White House message. They send him there to, to pitch this affordability message. He goes off on countries. He goes off on Ilhan Omar. Again, let's play the Ilhan. Ilhan Omar club. It's just unreal. We've got it. We can play it.
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Wajahat Ali
She lives rent free in his head.
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Jim Acosta
She lives rent free in his head. Do we have that clip? The Ilhan Omar clip? If we have it. Well, we saw it. You saw it?
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Wajahat Ali
If. Yeah, yeah. And you know, Ilhan is a manifestation of a white supremacy supremacist nightmare. She's a black woman who came here as a refugee. She's a Muslim, she wears hijab and she got elected to office. And they see her, and they see her as the pinata for them, right? She is the poster woman for all of their fears. They can be misogynist, they can be racist, they could be Islamophobic, they could be anti immigrant. And you know, they blame her. They spread all these lies against her.
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Jim Acosta
I think we have it now. Let's play it now. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Donald Trump
I love this Elon Omar, whatever the hell her name is, with a little ching.
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Senator Mark Kelly
The little turban, the turban.
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Donald Trump
I love her. She comes in, does nothing, but she's.
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Jim Acosta
Always complaining, okay, get him off, get him out. As he likes to say, get him out. I mean that. I just wanted to play that One part.
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Wajahat Ali
Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
You know, it's, it's naked racism. It's naked sexism.
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Wajahat Ali
Yep.
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Jim Acosta
It, it, it, as you said earlier, the hood is off. Yep. And, and the major news media outlets out there, they really were not covering this today. They were, oh, he's off message. Oh, he's off script again. And he doesn't stick to the teleprompter. That's not it, people. The President, United States should not be nakedly racist like this. It's insanity.
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Wajahat Ali
And, and, you know, Jim, and let's just be blunt. Yeah. You were at cnn. I was a contributor. And back in those days, in cable news, even during the first Trump administration, there was a zombie narrative that really bothered me. Economic anxiety, racial trip up, racial flare up. It was like this game of taboo. And I said, why use multiple words when he could just use one? He's a racist. This is a man who ran. The first thing he said when he descended the brass staircase, mexicans are rapists and criminals. He ran on the Muslim ban in his first administration. Remember, it was Democrats and Republicans that said, why can't we get people from Norway? Why do we have to get them from shithole countries? This is who he is. This is who he has always been. He is a racist. And now as he's getting older and he's dying before our eyes. And I will prove that because first and foremost, I don't know if you saw his deranged tooth social rant post yesterday where he admits to having multiple cognitive tests. And I'm like, bro, why are you having multiple cognitive tests?
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Jim Acosta
That's right.
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Wajahat Ali
Did you get two MRIs in six months? What's the splotch on your hand? What about the cankles?
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Jim Acosta
I know why. When I was talking to Senator Kelly about this, he was taught, he was talking about how, you know, they go around, they don't really do the Dear Leader thing quite as much or quite like they used to. Now it's sort of like, can they keep grandpa awake? You know, they're all, no.
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Wajahat Ali
The answer is no.
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Jim Acosta
They all act like they're worried about being written out of the will and they all go around the room trying to keep him awake. And you're absolutely right. With the, with the bruises, the public, I mean, they, they, they talked about this, you know, with respect to Joe Biden, who's really in charge at the White House? Who's pulling the string? These are good questions for the Trump White House. Who's in charge? It seems to be. Stephen Miller is basically the president right Now, Yes.
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Wajahat Ali
And look, as, pardon me for saying this, as Marco Rubio was giving him verbal fellatio on camera, Donald Trump fell asleep. He's a creature of television. And he couldn't stay awake, folks. He's fallen asleep multiple times. He's the oldest person to be elected. He survived an assassination attempt. We still don't have the hospital records. He admitted, I don't know what part of the body I got the MRI on. What do you mean you don't know? He took the dementia test. He just admitted it last night. Watch on his hands. And the double standard that you mentioned with Joe Biden. I'm so glad you did. Maybe one of our former colleagues should write a book about whether or not.
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Rhymes with Mapper. I mean, if you are a Trump voter, aren't you concerned about your president dying in real time? Aren't you worried about him getting MRI? Two MRIs, going to get two checkups, going to get three cognitive tests, not being able to stay awake while the camera's on, not remembering what part of his body got the MRI on. When he asked why he partnered his business partner, cz.
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Jim Acosta
Huh?
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Wajahat Ali
Who's cz? First time I heard of him. He's your business partner that helped you and your family make $5 billion on crypto. What about, you know, the ex hunter and president, huh? What? I don't know. I just pardoned him, I guess. What?
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, he said something like, he said that, well, it was, it was like a Joe Biden witch hunt. That was the reason why he pardoned the Honduran drug runner, drug trafficker president. And, and, and he only can speak in these very simple, simpleton talking points. And it's as though they're spoon fed to him like tapioca pudding pudding. Spoon fed to grandpa. That is basically what is happening right now with Donald Trump. They spoon feed him the talking point so he can just sort of spit out us, you know, monosyllabic response when he's asked why he does things. But he, I mean, if you look at the way he, he was behaving last night, it seemed to me the, the batteries were running low, the, the burnt sienna makeup was looking like. And I, you know, I've been talking about this on my show. I don't know about you, I. Does he have the, does he have the stamina to go the distance? I know.
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Wajahat Ali
I mean, I don't think so at all. I think even if he doesn't die, this man is clearly on the decline. Remember, Ariel Sharon was a vegetable for years. I Mean, he is. And I have one edit with you, which I think this is who he is. I don't think he's spoon fed anything. And I'll give you an example why I say that. If you recall, when he survived the assassination attempt, right, it was leading up to the election, he put the diaper on his ear. They had a prepared speech for him. And for the first 20 minutes of that at the RNC, if you recall, he was on script. And then, Jim, for an hour he does 9,000 words off script and he reveals his true nature, right? So he was very stately and demure and thanked God, and then it ends up with him mocking and ridiculing Nancy Pelosi's husband, doing the hammer thing, being this is who he is. He's a vulgarian. He's an egotistical, weak, fragile racist. I think they literally give him a script. Just say affordability. Affordability is a conversation, okay? Talk about lowering prices. Somalis are garbage. All right, Just do one quip against Ilhan Umar. She's got the turban like the ugliness is coming out. And I feel like if you look at the poll numbers, if you look at the data that's coming out this week, Americans are done with it because you're done American. Too many Americans tolerate it because they thought it'd make them richer. He's in freefall in the economy, Jim. He's negative double digits. That's an Achilles cancel. Epstein files negative 35 points. That's another Achilles cancel. And I'll give you a third Achilles cancel. They can't escape the war crimes. They can't escape the scandals. They can't escape all the reckless murder of Venezuelan fishermen, which is why today, I don't know if you saw, about an hour and a half ago, according to Reuters, the Trump administration is terrified that they might be tried for international crimes, which is why they're now asking the ICC for amnesty. Huh, Jim, have you ever voluntarily tried to ask for amnesty if you haven't done crimes, Jim?
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Jim Acosta
Well, and there was a report this afternoon, I guess Trump spewed this out to reporters this afternoon that they've seized a tanker off the coast of Venezuela. So maybe he's going to declare war. So that way he can say, well, we were at war and that's why we did these things. But I mean, to me, you know, this is according to the ap, he said that the US has seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela. And I, you know, I, to me, I just like, are we Going to get into a war with a President of the United States who's falling asleep in cabinet meetings when he wakes up, when he comes to, is spewing out racist rhetoric. Sounds unhinged on a daily basis. I mean, this doesn't sound like a good recipe for things going well with the military conflict.
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Wajahat Ali
My fear is that Donald Trump is a New York City corporate cornered sewer rat. No disrespect to sewer rats. And he is a man who has shown no fidelity to anyone but himself and his own survival. And as he sinks, my fear is, and it's always been my fear that him and Stephen Miller and Pam Bondi will declare the Insurrection act and martial law. They've already used the word insurrection multiple times. When he was asked recently, are you opposed to the Insurrection act? He didn't say no. Wag the dog. If it means distraction from Epstein and the economy, I think they will go to war. If it means in Project 2025, it was already written that they want to do get rid of Maduro and put in a yes men to get access to Venezuelan oil. So that's part of Project 2025. And I think they're playing for all the marbles, folks. I think the hoods are off. Once you go full Nazi, it's very hard to go back, Jim. And that's, and that's where I'm really worried about. Yes, it's small, but it's a radicalized, increasingly violent, unhinged minority that has power.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. And I mean, the other thing too is we may be heading towards a constitutional crisis because there was a federal judge who ordered the administration to immediately end its occupation of Los Angeles. So they can't have the California National Guard there. Of course this will go to the Supreme Court and, you know, we'll see what happens. Maybe the MAGA Supreme Court will bail them out like they do every time, but if they rule against him, the question becomes, does Donald Trump defy the Supreme Court? And then we're in smack dab in the middle of a constitutional crisis. And then I think we do get to a place where he may just say he just may go for broke and when he comes out of his stupor, declares the Insurrection act. And I don't know what the hell we do at that point. If the Supreme Court says, well, no, you can't do that because there's nothing happening, it's a manufactured crisis that you're responding to and calling an insurrection, what the hell do we, I mean, I've asked a lot of smart people about it, I don't know what the hell happens.
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Wajahat Ali
I think we have to keep our eyes wide open. And I know people say, oh, you and Jim are being hyperbolic. I want to remind you all, this man incited a violent insurrection. Instead of peacefully transferring power, he then pardoned the 1600 insurrectionists. They've made him into martyrs. This man who said he wants to terminate the constitution, he wants to be a dictator for a day. This man who threatened to unleash the national guard against the enemy of the people did that. So with all that being said and what he said, folks, is it out of the realm of imagination that they will invoke the insurrection act and try to go for martial law before the 2026 elections? And this is why I need you to trust the evidence of your eyes and ears, folks. I need you to invest in the imagination. This man is capable of doing anything. And this is where we need the multicultural coalition, the majority, enough Republicans, enough judges, and I hope, I hope, you know, they keep being so reckless and so disastrous and the economy is going to get worse, folks, that even if they attempt it, and I think they will, that it fails. But I need people to keep their eyes wide open, Jim. And when people say you and me are being hysterical, he incited a violent insurrection and to this day he says he won the election, that he lost. Jim.
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Jim Acosta
That's right. I don't. We can't. It is impossible. We should just state this to wrap it up. It is impossible to be more hysterical than the president of the United States. I mean, he's the most hysterical person in the room everywhere he goes, including this rally that he had last night. Watch hot. Great to see you, man, as always. Long live the rebellion. May the force be with you.
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Wajahat Ali
May the force be with you. And remember, rebellions are always built on hope.
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Jim Acosta
That's it. As always, hope is our hope, is our best hope. Thanks Wajaha. Great to see as always. Really appreciate it. We're moving fast now, switching gears because as I like to say on this show, folks who watch the show regularly, the most undercovered thing that needs to be covered is RFK Jr and the batshit crazy things he does to our public health. Let's bring in Dr. Rob Davidson with Paging America.
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Wajahat Ali
Dr.
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Jim Acosta
Rob, great to see as always. I mean, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on right now. A lot of stuff is flying around and you people can get distracted by RFK Jr. Doing pull ups at, you know, National Airport in D.C. you know, I guess the brain Worm didn't affect some of the functions of the human body in that respect.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
But here it is right here.
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Not a lot of executive functioning going on there.
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Jim Acosta
Right? Not a lot of executive functioning. And you know, hey, you could do pull ups. That's, that's wonderful. Great. But I'm a little more worried about babies getting hepatitis. You know, I'm just more worried about our vaccine policy being wrecked to the point where people don't trust vaccines and we're all getting each other sick with preventable diseases. Your thoughts? And I was going to start you off with this doctor today. There was a Democrat in Congress. I don't know if you saw this.
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Haley Stevens, a congresswoman from Michigan has filed articles of impeachment against RFK Jr may not go anywhere, but if we're going to impeach Anybody, I think RFK Jr. Would be a good start.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Yeah, I mean, that depends on if Donald Trump is tired of him or not. I think there was some good reporting from Politico that, you know, Republicans, some of them still think he's the guy to latch onto and Democrats think that he should be and will be an albatross. And the midterms, we certainly think that. Not because we have anything against him, truly personally. He can live his life. Do pull ups, swim in infested waters, that's fine. But the guy's driving public health in this country into the ground. And that's why he should be an albatross around their necks and he should be removed from office. We'll see. If they get tired of him, I'm sure they'll kick him to the curb, but I don't see it coming just yet.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. And let me ask you about this hepatitis B vaccine issue. NBC reporting. Doctors, hospitals, public health departments are scrambling to ensure proper care for pregnant women and their babies following this controversial vote from the CDC advisors that reverse decades of standard medical practice, giving newborns the hepatitis B vaccine. This happened on Friday. The panel advised that only babies born to women who test positive for hepatitis B should get the first, first dose within 24 hours of delivery. People might say, oh, what's the big deal? It's just changing it a little bit. Maybe they'll wait a couple months. Babies could literally get sick.
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With something that's totally preventable because.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Totally preventable. I mean, and Senator Cassidy, doctor, Senator Cassidy is a gastroenterologist. He said it. He treated people with liver disease from hepatitis, chronic hepatitis B infection. And we went from, in the tens of thousands of cases of kids with hep B, you know, to dozens, dozens of cases by vaccination. And the problem is, it's like an imperfect art of medicine, making sure everyone's tested. People fall through the cracks. Significant number of people in this country already don't have access to prenatal care, don't have the proper insurance to get that. It's gonna get worse with the Republicans cutting Medicaid and not extending the ACA premium subsidies. So they're doing that on the one, making it more likely women won't get prenatal care. So they'll show up and have their baby and you won't know their status. Now they're saying, okay, well, you can give it in that case. But they're introducing all these questions like suggesting there's something wrong with the hepatitis B vaccine in a neonate. And the fact is it is safe and it has saved countless numbers of kids getting foaming hepatitis, chronic hepatitis and needing liver transplant. It's just, it's, it's another crazy, batshit crazy thing we see them doing. Like you said on the, on the intro, no question.
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Jim Acosta
And the other issue that we should get into is something you just mentioned, which is the ACA subsidies. And apparently House Republican leaders, according to the Hill, House Republican leaders are going to bring a vote next week on a package of health care bills that does not include an extension of those Obamacare subsidies. And obviously, you know, House Republicans are doing Donald Trump's bidding. Mike Johnson is not really the speaker of House, Donald Trump is the speaker of the House. And I mean, what are the implications of that not happening? People are just going to not have health insurance, it seems to me.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Yeah, that's just it. I mean, I have friends I talk to who, you know, who get their insurance off the exchange, and they're going to go from a family plan of $1,500 a month to $3,000 a month, you know, and we hear that, right? Doubling tripling of premiums because losing these, these subsidies and for a number of people, it's just going to mean they're going to go without elsewhere. Right. You know, they're going to have a harder time saving for college or just paying their basic bills. But for a lot of people, they're just going to look at it and say, well, this is an expense I just can't afford this year and they're going to go without insurance and they're going to sit home when they have abdominal pain that could be surgical or chest pain that could be something life threatening or stroke symptoms, and stay home Just a little longer trying to avoid the hospital bills because they know they don't have coverage. I mean, this like real stuff we see all the time. We saw a lot more before the Affordable Care Act. We still see it, unfortunately, because health care costs too much. Right. We got to work on the cost side of things, for sure. But for right now, three weeks from the end of the year, when the subsidies end, the only workable plan is to extend the subsidies one year, two years, three years. I think the Dems are putting up three years, some number of years. And then, yeah, let's all get together, create a commission, let's figure this out. Bipartisan plans to actually make healthcare more affordable. They're not gonna do that. They haven't done it in 10 years of wanting to repeal the ACA. They're certainly not gonna do it in three weeks. So people are gonna be in trouble. Yeah, right.
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Jim Acosta
Concepts of a plan. I mean, that's what Trump said during the 2024 campaign. And this is somebody who has been trying to kill Obamacare since the first time he was president. And you know, what Trump has been saying lately and the Republicans say lately is Obama. Oh, well, under the aca, you're just handing over billions and billions of dollars over the insurance industry. I covered the passage of Obamacare, the Affordable Care act, and the Affordable Care Act. Yes, it has kept the insurance industry in place, but it is much more regulated than it used to be. They used to be able to cancel people's coverage because they had pre existing conditions or deny people coverage because of preexisting. It was a windfall for the insurance industry before the ACA came along. And so it's a canard what he's put out there. It's a, it's a straw man argument.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
And they really don't want to do anything about it.
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Senator Mark Kelly
Right.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Because for the CEOs of these companies, they just passed, you know, massive tax cuts, cutting Medicaid earlier this year in reconciliation. And you know, we agree insurance costs too much, they make too much profit. Yes, that's something we all need to work on. And in fact, Republicans partially broke the ACA when they sued, and then they eventually passed in legislation ending the individual mandate. If more healthy people with extremely low cost plans were in the risk pool of people being covered, the cost for everybody would be much lower today if every state expanded Medicaid, including two of the biggest states, Florida and Texas, by population, if everybody expanded Medicaid, more people would be on the Medicaid rolls. Fewer people kind of Getting into the ACA potentially that have maybe less access to primary care doctors or getting to, you know, kind of routine visits and, and end up having higher health expenditures. And that increases the costs under the ACA and increases those premiums. So they had a big part in breaking it or making it worse, and now they're just claiming they care about profits. They, you know, that's, that's their constituency, that people making all the profits. This is just canard.
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Jim Acosta
And one of the Republican talking points is that we'll just give you the money and then you'll go buy the health care. And it's like, well, if the health care is too expensive to afford, then having the money is, what is that going to do? You know, it's.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Yeah. And maybe are saying 1000-1500 dollars a person in a health savings account is basically a health care ira. But they're talking about then only letting people get plans that are either catastrophic or bronze plans, which are, you know, $10,000 deductibles. Well, if you get $1,000, but you're responsible for the first 10, 10,000 of your care. I'm sorry that for a lot of people that's like not having any insurance at all. This is, yeah, this is, this is not a workable plan. They know it. And they know it because they said, I think the House came out of, out of their meeting and said the only consensus is we need to come up with something.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Like, it's like, are you kidding me? Three weeks from the end of the year. Yeah, no kidding.
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Jim Acosta
And that's what Obamacare was. They had to come up with something. And that's what they came up with. And it used to be Mitt Romney's idea. Republican, by the way, which, you know, Romney care in Massachusetts still extremely popular.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Popular.
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Jim Acosta
And it was the precursor to Obamacare. So if somebody wants to, you know, draw us a new, you know, come up with a new mousetrap for how this is going to work, be my guest. But somebody tells me it's going to be a very long proposition and it's not going to come in time. By the end of the year when these subsidies expire, Right.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
If someone falls off a boat, you throw them a life raft.
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Jim Acosta
Right?
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Dr. Rob Davidson
These subsidies, right now, the extending of subsidies, this is throwing out a life preserver for someone who, who's going to be drowning in three weeks.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
You're not going to rework the entire plan of the ship to make sure people don't fall off of the ship. That's not happening in a short period of time. Let's save the people who are going to be drowning and then let's all come together and get everyone in the room and come up with a plan that can pass through both legislatures and passed by Trump. If they were politically smart shit, they would, it's crazy they would do that. I just don't understand on so many levels this doesn't make sense.
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Jim Acosta
It doesn't make sense. And I think part of the reason why is because so many of them are in the pocket of lobbyists here in Washington. And the lobbyists are not going to have, you know, putting price controls and making this more affordable for people. That's not how they make money. But Dr. Rob Davidson, as always, great to see you. Thank you so much.
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Dr. Rob Davidson
Thank you, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
All right. Appreciate Dr. Rob with paging America. Always great having him on. Always appreciate his. And he's so smart on this ACA Obamacare issue. You know, what are we going to do if we, if we don't have a health care system in this country? We just throw people to the lions. It's not who we are. And, but one of the things that I'm getting concerned about is, is that Donald Trump represents a bit of who we are. Listen again to what he said last night. He was supposed to be talking about affordability, making life more affordable for Americans, and he went off on what he calls shithole countries. Let's listen to this. This again.
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Donald Trump
I say, why is it we only take people from hole countries, right? Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, Just a few. Let us have a few from, from Denmark. Do you mind sending us a few people? Send us some nice people.
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Jim Acosta
Do you mind?
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Donald Trump
But we always take people from Somalia, places that are a disaster, right? Filthy, dirty, disgusting, ridden with crime.
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Jim Acosta
Donald Trump, the only shithole is your mouth.
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We, we've had just enough of the racist bile that is spewed by the President of the United States on a regular basis. And, and, and even more so, his lies. He lies. Just constantly. Keep in mind, when he, when he was talking about the countries last night, that was something he denied saying back in 2018. How do I know that? Because I was covering it when I was at the White House. There was a big story that came out in the Washington Post that Donald Trump referred to Haiti and some countries in Africa as countries. White House. Oh, no. There's no way he said that. He didn't say that. And then I went into the Oval Office and pressed Donald Trump on this because there was another story that said he just wanted people to come in from places like Norway, predominantly white or Caucasian countries. Something he said last night. And I asked him if that is indeed what he said back in 2018. He denied that, too. Let's play that footage.
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Donald Trump
Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I want them to come in from everywhere, everywhere. Thank you very much.
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Jim Acosta
Very much, everybody. Thank you, Jim.
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Wajahat Ali
Thank you, everyone.
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Jim Acosta
Thanks, everyone. Jim, thank you, Jim, thank you. Yeah, Jim, thank you. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Jim. Thank you. And then Donald Trump tells me to get out, and I got out, and I took some flack for trying to press Donald Trump on something that he denied saying. You heard him say in that clip there, that he wishes that people could just come in from. From everywhere, quote, everywhere. That is bullshit. That is a lie. And it is a lie, because we saw what he said last night. He said he doesn't want people coming in from what he calls countries. He. He goes off on about how he would like people to come in from places like Norway and Sweden and Denmark. People from those countries don't want to come here. They don't want to travel here, and they don't want to live here right now because they don't want to live under you, Donald Trump. They don't want a president with a mouth. And that is all Donald Trump is capable of doing at this point. And the sad thing to me, the. The tragically sad thing to me, earth to Donald.
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Is that this is. This is because, you know, I. I look at some of the faces in that audience last night. They were laughing, they were smiling.
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As he was making those comments.
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You've heard me say many times on the show, this is not who we are. This is not who we are. My concern is, and I think we have to be very honest about this is something I try to do on this program, is that.
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The people in that audience are just fine with him saying this, that he's describing these countries as countries.
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And you're seeing the people laugh right there in the background. I don't want to play the sound anymore because it's just so disgusting and appalling.
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You see the guy in the. In the T shirt in the back, Persians for Trump laughing out loud. The guy in the sunglasses with the sign that says bigger paychecks laughing out loud.
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Maybe this is who some of us are. Maybe this is who some of us are.
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And the sad reality is, is that the work we're going to have to do between now and 2028, and let's hope to God he was talking again about a third term last night. Let's hope to God.
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That he doesn't get to that point.
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It is going to take between now and when he leaves the scene.
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For all of us to very patiently but in a very determined way speak to our fellow Americans and tell them this is not who we are as Americans. This is not who this country should be this is not what this country should be. This is not the best of America. Donald Trump represents the worst of America.
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And when he goes off about countries.
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It just tells us that we've got work to do folks. We've got work to do my friends we we're going to have to spend these holidays we're gonna have to spend these years ahead talking to those neighbors talking to those family members.
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To try to get through.
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SAM.
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Oh feed came back. We'll sign off now. Thanks so much for watching everybody really appreciate I'll see you next time.
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Sam sa.