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George Conway on the 25th Amendment, Independent Journalist Zach Toombs and Danish Comedian Huxi Bach.
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Huxy Bach
Foreign.
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Jim Acosta
The Jim Acosta show. And it's another day that ends in Y and the case that is building for the 25th Amendment to be invoked for Donald Trump. During a speech in Davos today, Trump repeatedly mixed up Greenland and Iceland, two different places, even though he has nearly caused a global financial and security crisis over Greenland. He claimed earlier in the day that China does not have windmills, even though they do. He lied again about how he won the 2020 election, which he lost, and so on. Let's discuss with George Conway, who is now running for Congress in New York. Say what? George, great to see you. Thanks for coming on, man.
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George Conway
Thanks for having me.
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Jim Acosta
Where the hell do we start today? What a day.
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George Conway
You know, it's a great day to be sane.
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Jim Acosta
It is.
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George Conway
Or maybe not.
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Jim Acosta
I. I don't know.
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George Conway
Is it after all, right.
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Huxy Bach
What is.
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George Conway
What is sanity?
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Jim Acosta
I don't know. But you and I were. I. I reached out to you and you said, this is. This is absolutely the perfect opportunity to talk about the 25th Amendment. And I think we should do that. George. I think we should dive into that. You know, your thoughts. Oh, George, are you frozen there? I think. Did we lose George? Well, let's just. Let's just do this. Is George there? Oh, George is frozen. George is definitely frozen. Can we bring George back in this occasionally? As I've said many times, this occasionally happens.
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Donald Trump
He there?
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Jim Acosta
Is he there? George, can you hear me? All right, well, while we're getting George up and running. Running again. Let's. Let's go ahead and. And while we're getting George back in here, because sometimes this happens, folks. The WI FI stuff goes down and. And who knows? God knows what. Let's play a little bit of Donald Trump at Davos earlier today talking about Greenland. He thought he was talking about Greenland, but he kept saying Iceland. Let's take a look there for us.
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Donald Trump
They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. I mean, our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland's already cost us a lot of money.
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Jim Acosta
So you hear there once again, Donald Trump saying it over and over. And then he did it at another point. I think we have another clip where he is saying that somebody referred to him as Daddy. And then he's talking about Iceland again. Let's play that one, too.
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Donald Trump
Europe. I'm helping NATO. And until the last few days, when I told him about Iceland, they loved me. They called me Daddy. Right? Last time, very smart man. Said, he's our daddy. He's running It. I was, like, running it. I went from running it to being a terrible human being. But now what I'm asking for is a piece of ice, cold and poorly located, that can play a vital role in world peace and world protection.
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Jim Acosta
All right, is George back with us? Let's see.
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George Conway
I am working on that.
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Jim Acosta
There he is, George. There he is.
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George Conway
Patience. I don't know why.
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Jim Acosta
Maybe that's okay.
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George Conway
Maybe it's. Maybe it's ice is going up by Internet accent.
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Jim Acosta
It's ice in the WI fi. It's ice in the WI fi.
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George Conway
Ice or green ice. Green for Goldberg Greenberg. I don't know. I don't know.
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Jim Acosta
Well, it's okay. Take two. It's okay. It's live television. Not a big deal. Live streaming. It's not even live television. George, your thoughts on Trump not being able to get this. This shit straight?
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George Conway
Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, this isn't, you know, I mean, it's funny. It's like you see a lot of people talking now about how he's nuts, he's crazy, but the truth of the matter is, it's just the stage that he's doing this on, this isn't any different than what he's done. It isn't that much different than what he has done since 2016. It's just that he's doing it on the stage at Davos, and people are saying we're just doing it under different circumstances. I mean, what's different now about the second term of Trump in terms of his mental capacity and mental ability and his sanity and his. His. All. All the things that affect him, that make him unqualified to be president, is he is getting older, which makes him less. It's. It makes him less inhibited.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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George Conway
And. But the other thing that's very important is there are fewer people around him who will tell him no and say, stop, you can't do this, or you're embarrassing yourself. They can't say that to him because all the people who used to say that to him, you know, he got rid of him because he didn't want to hear it.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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George Conway
And so it's. It's a combination of that. It's a common. You know, he absolutely is getting senile. There's no question about that. It's just a constant. It's just those three factors are. Are really impinging on, you know, whatever, even the ability of the White House to cover this up.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, well, for two terms. No, I know. And to that point, I mean, today we saw one of the more Ridiculous lies I've ever heard from a White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt. She was responding to a tweet from a reporter who said, no, he mixed up Iceland and Greenland several times. And she tweeted, no, he didn't. Libby. His written remarks referred to Greenland as a piece of ice because that's what it is. You're the only one mixing anything up here. She refers to his written remarks as if that. That somehow, you know, clears him from any sort of mental.
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George Conway
That's what they should have done. They should have just issued a transcript of the debate and yeah, we president today. I mean, that's right.
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Jim Acosta
But I mean, it's what he. What came out of his mouth that matters, Caroline, not the written remarks. He said Iceland repeatedly, over and over again.
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George Conway
I mean, ice queen. I mean, he's. He's really. It is just so. It's. It. It is the most embarrassing moment we have ever seen for the United States of America. It. It really, really is to do that, you know, on the world stage at this moment in time, on top of everything else that he's done. The crazy letters, which were crazy, even though they were typewritten and scripted.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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George Conway
You know, it's. It's just beyond. And, and, and the fact that there are. They can still go on and on and gaslight themselves and gaslight other. The public about. Well, his written remarks. He meant that. You know, I mean, it. This. That's like a Saturday Night Live skit, right? It reminds me of Saturday Night. It just. It is like a Saturday Night Live skit. Live from Davos. It's Saturday night.
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Jim Acosta
Right. And. And the other thing too, is. I mean, he repeatedly. He keeps bringing up this, the big lie about the 2020 election. He did it again in Davos. Like that has anything to do with anything in terms of what they're talking about there. He continues to go on about how he thinks he won the 2020 election, which is bananas. And he was saying things like, china doesn't have any windmills. We should. I think we have that sound bite. Let's play the China doesn't have any windmills sound bite. If we have that.
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Donald Trump
George, there are windmills all over the place and they are losers. One thing I've noticed is that the more windmills a country has, the more money that country loses, and the worse that country is doing. China makes almost all of the windmills, and yet I haven't been able to find any wind farms in China. Did you ever think of that? It's a good way of looking at it. Smart. China is very smart. They make them, they sell them for 40 fortune. They sell them to the stupid people that buy them.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, I mean, George, he sounds, first of all, I mean, he sounds like, well, China has some of the most windmills in the world.
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George Conway
I believe I'm going to stick up for the president here because China has the lowest windmill cancer rate in the world too. Right. I mean, remember, he was big and he was very concerned about windmill cancer and ending windmill cancer during his first term. I guarantee you it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's not the, the bok choy, it's the lack of windmills that reduces the windmill cancer in, in, in China. I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say that out front. Who needs scientific research? Rfk. I mean, I'm just going to. RFK agrees with me.
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Jim Acosta
But I mean, don't you think, you know, and I don't think this is, I don't think this is a stretch for people to be talking about the 25th Amendment.
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George Conway
Not at all. Not at all. I mean, and what's funny about it is they started talking about the 25th amendment just a couple of weeks into 2017. Remember that?
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Jim Acosta
I mean, yes, I remember that.
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George Conway
What was it? The, who was the deputy Rod Rosenstein was talking about the 25th Amendment because people had never seen that before. But we became so, people became so used to having a president who was incoherent, rambles, who just talks about himself, who is detached from reality, that it really takes a new low, like a new low beyond anything else we've ever seen to get people to start talking about it. But the great thing about Donald Trump and the 25th Amendment and his psychological state is there is always a new low. There is. You know, and it's like, and it's accelerating now. And now I'm going to get a little bit serious because it is accelerating now. It's accelerating for the reasons that I decided, discussed and it cer. It's accelerating because of those reasons. I talked about, you know, the lack of adult supervision, his getting old and more, less inhibited, his mental deterioration also, which combines with age. But also it's the stress, the stress of knowing that things deep down he knows things aren't going well for him. So that's right. People like him, you know, he's a narcissistic sociopath. And narcissistic sociopaths know the worst leader, worst people in history, like Saddam and Hitler and Stalin, they were all narcissistic sociopaths. They tend to create their own reality as they get older, and things don't stop going so well for them. I mean, it's like the movie Downfall when Hitler is moving around divisions and ordering divisions around that don't exist. And that's the same thing. And actually, he is more dangerous than ever. I mean, we joke about it and we should joke about it because it diminishes. If you want to get rid of him, you have to show that he's just. You have to diminish his stature. And I think that's one of the things that Governor Newsom has done very well. And it was great that he went out to Davos to do that. But in all seriousness, there is a flip side that is serious. And the serious part is he's more dangerous than ever. He's more desperate than ever. And, you know, he has. It's both. Desperation in terms of survival. You hear him talking about that in terms of, oh, my gosh, if the Democrats are elected, you know, the Democrats get control of Congress, they're going to remove me. It's like, yeah, okay, hi, I'm running for Congress, and that's basically a principal reason why I'm running for Congress. So. Yes, absolutely right.
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Jim Acosta
You're pro impeachment.
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George Conway
Like, pro impeachment, like last week.
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Jim Acosta
Okay, Yeah.
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George Conway
I mean, he should have been impeached five years ago, six years ago, seven years ago, eight years ago. I mean, the man has done nothing, and he's much worse today. And, and the thing about it is, what, what also makes him more desperate is. I mean, he's, he's more desperate because he knows he's in political trouble deep down. He'll never admit it. He'll lie about the polls. 95% of all Republicans support me. He's going to say that again, like he has been for. For umpteen numbers of years. But the other thing about it is he's. Because he's a narcissistic sociopath. Now I'm going to get into the psychology of it. He has a thirst for approval, this thirst for praise. That's why he seeks the Nobel Prize. That's why he loved those rallies. He's not getting enough. And the addiction to that is such for somebody like him is that he always has to have more. Mary Trump wrote a book about her uncle called Too Much. Never Enough.
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Jim Acosta
That's it.
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George Conway
Never enough. The praise or the adulation? The Drift. The 747A Ballroom. Nothing is enough. Nothing can fill the Empty soul that is Donald Trump's. And now he's in a diminished physical state, so he can't do rallies anymore. He used to draw a lot of energy from these rallies because that was, you know, he used to, in fact, he used to watch, I remember you've read the press reports. He used to watch videos of himself at the rallies. This was, you know, this was, this fed his thirst, his narcissistic thirst. He doesn't do rallies anymore because he's not physically capable of doing them anymore. And when he does them, people don't show up and they leave early and they fall asleep. So, yes, he, he's becoming more and more desperate for adulation and thirsting for praise and thirsting for a Nobel Prize and thirsting for his 747 and this and, and the Trump Kennedy center. And it's never going to be enough.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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George Conway
Flip side of all that is he wants to destroy everything that he cannot control. And that does not praise him or reward him in the way that he feels he should be awarded. And that makes him profoundly dangerous to the country. Goes back to something. And I said this on Wolf Blitzer show about 10 days after the 2024 election. Narcissistic sociopaths are inherently destructive. They destroy everything around them at the end of the day, including themselves, precisely because narcissist. Nothing is enough from them. They can't, their thirst cannot be quenched for their thirst for control, their thirst for adulation. And one of the things I, I said on, you know, was probably too much for your old employer, CNN at the time, but I just said it.
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Jim Acosta
Just say it here.
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George Conway
Said it now. I can say it here. It's like if you look at what he's done over the past 10 days, remember this is mid November. And you, you are going to go through these Cabinet selections which were at that time were Matt Gaetz, RFK junior Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Hegseth and all the things that he's announced so far. He's like, if you were deliberately attempting to destroy the United States of America, this is what you would do. And that is what he has done ever since.
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Jim Acosta
There's no question about it. There's no. And George, I think you're onto something when you say that. There's not a whole lot of difference between what's happening now, what's happening, or what was happening during the first term. I think my theory has been as of late that, I mean, remember when we used to see the stories about, you know, sources say Trump said he wanted to bomb hurricanes and said that, you know, there were countries that were countries and stuff. These are things that he used to say behind the scenes. And people would say, sir, you can't say that in public now that he doesn't have those people around him. So he's just saying it. Everything, everything comes out totally unfiltered.
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George Conway
Right, right. And that's, that's the new regime because that's what, you know, that nobody wants to get in the way because it gets in the way of them scoring grift or riding on Air Force One or whatever it flow is that floats their boat. And all of the people who had to hum some semblance of a conscience or some semblance of intelligence and a tethering to reality and there were a lot of very good people in the fir. I mean, you know, relatively speaking, they were very good people. People in the first trip, they were compromised. They couldn't help but be compromised. You know, they, you know, you would never see General Kelly there today. You would never see some of these people there today. Right. Wife, for one thing. She actually meant to do well. I mean, you know, she actually tried to do well. She thought she was, but. And she, you know, she compromised herself by doing that. And she can't, she, she's, she couldn't possibly be there now. All right, all of these people, it's so much worse now. If you have any, any. The people who are there now don't give a. What he says and does only to the extent that it affects them negatively. But the price of speaking up would mean you get kicked out. So they don't do that. And so maybe there's some way they kind of walk him back a little bit on, on stuff. But they, they can't tell him, no, don't do that. Don't go off script. Don't.
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Jim Acosta
Susie Wiles appears to have no control over him. I mean, and she doesn't.
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George Conway
She elects not to have any control. Yeah, that's her choice because she knows she can't and she wants to go along for the ride.
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Jim Acosta
And I think we have to. You know, we did tease this to the audience, so we should put this up on screen. The 25th Amendment. This is what it says, George. You can read it or I can.
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George Conway
No, no, I was like, I was thinking like we should do like a Hamilton riff on it. Whenever the prize president in Georgia. Yo. Either the president, principal officer of the executive appointments. Is the president crazy? Is the president crazy? Yes, he is. So here's the thing with the 25th amendment, it is a, it was a good idea. It was actually meant as much for physical impairments as it was for mental impairments. But, you know, because you, because you have both. I mean, Woodrow Wilson was basically out of commission for the last couple of years. It was in the White House. And the real President of the United States was his wife, actually. And he couldn't sign things. He couldn't. He was paralyzed in one half of the body, his brain. You know, his temperament was completely off because of the stroke he had had. But what happens here is the problem is that the default rule under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment is that the Cabinet gets to sideline the President. Now, there's a whole process, right? The President, if the Cabinet says elects to sideline the President because he cannot, he lacks the capacity to act as President, then it goes to. And if the President says no, no, write something back to Congress saying, yes, I do. I can do it. I am the greatest president ever. Or whatever. He's going to say, yeah, then I.
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Jim Acosta
Passed the cognitive test or whatever.
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George Conway
Yeah. Yes, I can tell you. Person, man, woman, camera, tv. There you go. And what happens. It goes to Congress and Congress then has to decide. But, but the thing is, the problem is these people are. The Cabinet was the wrong body. It was the default body because they couldn't agree when they voted on the 25th Amendment on some other body. But they all said in this amendment, if you scroll down enough that Congress by law can designate some other body, can create another body that makes the determination and that, you know, I, I don't hold up much. Help me. This is a lick splittal Cabinet. It was a lick splitter Cabinet four years ago. It's even worse today for the reasons we were just discussing that these people have. No, you know, there is not. You could. If you take all of the honor, the decency, the intelligence and patriotism of this Cabinet, you don't get. You don't, you don't get there.
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Jim Acosta
Well, the way I describe it is they all act like they're worried about getting written out of the will. They're worried about pissing off grandpa at the key moment who's going to be in the well. So they all praise him and try.
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George Conway
To keep him awake.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, right.
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George Conway
And they humor him and that and that. And that's the worst thing. They try to. That's right. They humor him. They try to keep him awake and that makes him worse.
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Jim Acosta
Yes.
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George Conway
That detaches him even more from reality. There is nobody telling him. There is nobody who can tell him, dude, you can't do this. Right? And I don't know what they did to, you know, he's announcing that there's some deal, right? Announcing, right?
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Jim Acosta
That's the latest news.
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George Conway
He says there's this big deal, great deal.
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Jim Acosta
I mean, Jesus, he's tacoed on Greenland, basically.
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George Conway
He's tacoed on Greenland. You know, it's the same. We've seen this a thousand times before. Even before he was as reached the depths that he is reaching now. You know, he's very good at declaring a non existent victory.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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George Conway
And it was a great deal. And you know, I've been, what's the deal? It's going to be something like they're going to allow me to take all the snow I want from Milk and elsewhere in Greenland and put it on my 747. It's going to be an amazing 747. We're working on that right now. And I'll be able to fill the ballroom multiple trips with the 747. They say all the snow I want. Yeah, I mean, you know that, that's going to be the deal.
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Jim Acosta
Something like that. I think you're right. But I will point out nobody, nobody.
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George Conway
Has ever seen anything like this before.
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Jim Acosta
It's the best snow.
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George Conway
It'll be the best snow. Pure snow. It is one. It is amazing. The Russians don't have this kind of snow. They would, Putin would love. Putin once told me this was the best snow. He wanted to, he wants this snow. So maybe we can cut a deal with Putin now because we have the snow.
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Jim Acosta
He'll be on the Board of peace. He'll be the board of snow. Something like that.
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George Conway
Oh, my God. 25th amendment.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, let's go back to that.
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George Conway
This is, you know, because, I mean.
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Jim Acosta
I can hear the audience saying there's no way it's ever going to happen.
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George Conway
But here's, here's the thing. It's never. There is no way it's going to ever happen with the likes of Pam Bondi. And unless Pete's really drunk, I don't know. The, the thing about it is Congress actually has the power. And this is one of the things I've talked about in my congressional campaign. There are two steps to what we need to do. And we need people with big, you know, more cojones than have usually showed up in the halls of Congress to do stuff like want us to go toe to toe with this and to basically challenge him and tell him, you are crazy, you are crazy and let him, you know, show himself to be crazy to the rest of the world. That's what Newsom's doing. That's why I approve of it. That's step one is to hold him accountable. Hold, you know, impeach a whole lot of them and remove them. If we have the votes, or even if we don't have the votes, push for it, because that's, you know, it's the right thing to do. It's the moral thing to do. The second thing to do is to pass laws to make sure this never happens again.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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George Conway
And one of those laws actually has been proposed in the past. It was Nancy Pelosi. It was proposed previously by someone else, and Nancy Pelosi truck trotted it out again in 2020. And it is a bill that they've actually drafted it. It didn't go anywhere but you. It would create a special body of experts to determine whether or not the President was able to carry out his duties under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to substitute for the Cabinet. This is the. Then the power of Congress explicitly on the 25th Amendment to take it out of the Cabinet's hands, create a body of nonpartisan experts, you know, shrinks and physicians.
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Jim Acosta
Can we put Dr. Fauci on there?
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George Conway
Dr. Fauci. I got a whole lot. I gotta go. I got a whole list of doc. Not Dr. Lecter, right? Not Dr. Ler.
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Jim Acosta
Not Hannibal Lecter.
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George Conway
No, ixnay on Lecter. But we. Absolutely. We have to do that. It's one of the many things we have to do if this country is to survive.
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Jim Acosta
Maybe if you have a third impeachment, it's three strikes and you're out. You know, we forget about the Senate convicting if you get impeachment.
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Huxy Bach
Yeah, that's right.
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George Conway
It's like, you know, it's like you're automatically called out if you're impeached at their d. I mean. Yeah, it ought to be. Yeah, you oughta.
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Jim Acosta
It should result. And George, one thing we should say we should and we should emphasize to the viewers at home. George is running for Congress. What's the website, if folks want to help out.
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George Conway
Www.george Conway for Congress.com Very good.
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Jim Acosta
It's as simple as that.
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George Conway
I thought of it, if I thought of it myself.
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Jim Acosta
And what about these turkeys? I mean, you're gonna have to deal with the likes of James Comer, the head of the Oversight Committee. They're going after the Clintons. They want to, you know, arrest the Clintons because of the Epstein thing. And it's like Donald, they've not, they've, they are now in violation of the law. They had, they were supposed to release all of the Epstein files by what, this week?
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George Conway
Right.
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Jim Acosta
And now they're holding, the Oversight Committee is holding the Clintons in contempt. I, I just remind the viewers Bill Clinton is no longer the President of the United States.
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George Conway
I hold Donald Trump in contempt now.
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Jim Acosta
There you go.
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George Conway
There you go. All right. No, look, I mean these people are, these, the comer is like dumbest. He is dumb as a rock. I mean, I don't, I, I hate to say that about rocks, but he, he really, I mean, you know, these, this is the same crew that, that so desperately wanted to have Jack Smith testify that they have him testifying tomorrow and he's going to crucify them.
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Jim Acosta
He's going to destroy them.
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George Conway
They are the dumbest on planet, Planet Earth. And I, you know, I mean, it's like I, I think, I think Bill Clinton's going to run circles around him at the end of the day.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, bring him in there, you think? Have the former President go.
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George Conway
I mean, you know, I, I don't think he's going to come in. I mean, like, I mean, who is, who are the Republicans in Congress after all the, all the obstruction of Congress that they supported over the years and you know, their support of the people who basically wiped feces on the halls of Congress on January 6, 2001. Who are they to uphold the congressional subpoena power? You know, they, they, you know, they wouldn't even, they wouldn't even make subpoenas of their own fucking committee and then the January 6th committee. So I don't know. I mean, I, it's not going to turn out well for them and it's not going to get them anywhere because the bottom line is where are the Epstein files? They can't change that subject.
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Jim Acosta
They can't change it. It's the story that won't go away. It's a cover up. It is in fact, it is a cover up.
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George Conway
100.
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Jim Acosta
Well, George, I think between now and election day we need to work on our Hamilton version of the 25th Amendment.
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George Conway
Listen, we would, we would rule the Internet if you and I did like a Hamiltonized version of the 25th Amendment. If you want to do that, I will work on it with you and we will rule the Internet. We will.
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Jim Acosta
There you go. I, I love it. We'll get the, the makers of Hamilton on the case and, and, and the whole thing. That'll be great.
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George Conway
Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
George, Be best of luck to you. I'm so glad we did this. Great to catch up with you. Best of luck on the campaign trail and keep, you know, fighting the good fight, man. I see those guitars behind you. Keep on rocking, man.
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George Conway
Yeah, no, this is. This will be. We'll use that for our Hamilton riff.
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Jim Acosta
There you go. Don't ask me to play because I would definitely.
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Huxy Bach
You got the.
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George Conway
We'll get, get, like, we'll get something else to play.
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Jim Acosta
Sounds good.
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George Conway
Okay.
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Jim Acosta
See you.
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George Conway
George.
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Jim Acosta
Good to see you, man. Thanks. Appreciate it. That's George Conway. He's running for Congress. And as he was saying, George Conway. Dot com, if you want to know more. But I think, Jo, I think we have some clips to run this evening based on that interview with George Conway, and I think we're going to have an. Another batch of clips coming up shortly. Folks here in the United States may not be familiar with our next guest, but Huxy Bach, and if I'm saying that wrong, I'm. Please correct me when he comes on. Huxy Bach is a Danish comedian, absolutely hysterical, and he has. He has also a message for Donald Trump. Let's bring Huxley into the program. If he's there, let's punch him in. There he is. Am I saying. Is it Hooksey? Huxie? I'm, I'm trying to get it right.
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Huxy Bach
What?
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Jim Acosta
I'm a dumb American. I only speak one language.
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Huxy Bach
Hey, Jim. I can't. There's no.
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Jim Acosta
There's no sound.
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Huxy Bach
Oh, trying to signal. There's no sound. I don't know if you can hear me.
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Jim Acosta
I can hear you. Okay, drop off. Come back in. That's okay. It's a casual program. It's a casual program. Drop off. Drop back in. This happens sometimes, folks. But Huxy Bach, he's a Danish comedian. He's been observing the scene from across the pond over in Denmark as to Donald Trump's exploits in terms of his. His pursuit of. Of Greenland, which he confused with Iceland repeatedly today. We're going to get him to drop back off and then drop back in. He'll. He'll be with us in just a second. But just to catch up with what George was just saying a few moments ago, because we may have to just go back and, and, and replay a lot of that at a later hour. But he did. George, at one point did refer to what Trump said he had earlier in the day, which is he says he has this big deal now on Arctic security that he has struck with NATO. How about now? Huxy, can you hear me now?
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Huxy Bach
I can hear you now.
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George Conway
There we go.
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Jim Acosta
The eagle has.
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Huxy Bach
There we go. I'm. I'm sorry, Jim. I. I could hear you and George and then everything went silent. I'm sorry.
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Jim Acosta
It happens.
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Huxy Bach
I don't.
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Jim Acosta
It is just a weird thing. It's the Internet. It's the.
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Huxy Bach
I am across the Atlantic, so.
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Jim Acosta
You're across the Atlantic. It's that giant cable running under the ocean.
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Zach Toombs
It is.
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Huxy Bach
That's exactly. A crab went over it. I don't know what happened. Something like that.
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Jim Acosta
And. And before I screw up anything else, it's Hooksy. Hooksey Bach. Am I saying that it.
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Huxy Bach
Perfect.
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Jim Acosta
Very good. And I will say I've been. I've been wanting to get somebody's take from across the pond and over in Denmark, I will tell you. Last year I was at a news journalist conference in Norway and I spoke with a Danish journalist, very nice guy, and he told me this was a year ago, that this is the most worried that the Danish have been. The Danes have been in since World War II about their security, about what's happening in Europe, and that is. It's just been nuts ever since. And we've seen this ramp up to this big moment, which I guess Trump did try to. He tacoed his way out of it, as we say over here in the United States.
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Huxy Bach
Yeah, yeah.
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Jim Acosta
Where he backed down. But what's been your thoughts on all this?
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Huxy Bach
Well, it has been, as you say, since he mentioned it a year ago. A little over a year ago. And he think. I think he called our prime minister nasty and.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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Huxy Bach
And I think everybody took that to heart. At first. We laughed and with disbelief. What's going on? He wants to take. What? He wants to take Greenland. Nobody really understood what was going on. Still, to an extent. Don't really understand it, but it. Then it's been just increasing in craziness. And these last couple of weeks have been really, really weird.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. And do you feel as though you've been basically brought into a massive distraction from the Epstein files? I mean, what. What is the take that you. The take. What are some of the takeaways you hear from people there in Denmark as to what the hell is going on, or is everybody just scratching their heads and saying, what the hell is going on?
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Huxy Bach
Yeah, I think first and foremost, everyone is scratching their heads, just really not understanding what's going on. And then, I mean, we get all the American news, so we get the. The. Is it a distraction from the Epstein files? Is he talking true? You know, he says about these Chinese boats and Russian ships and all that stuff. And I mean, Greenland is 2,000 miles away, so we can't see it. We don't know if these ships are running up and down the coast. Yeah, so, so, but, but what we get, the news we get is that there are no Chinese ships and no, no Russian ships. So. So, but we get the strategic part of it in the Western hemisphere and all that stuff. But we also get the, I mean, the Greenlandic people. There's 56,000 people saying we don't know what's going on. There are no Russian ships, there are no Chinese ships. So it's, it's mainly just confusion. And this, the world's most powerful man trying to grab some, some of our kingdom. And we really don't get it because every time he's on tv, it's a different reason. It's national security, international security. It's, it's rare earth minerals, it's this, it's that. So it is kind of confusing and today was confusing as well because now we. He doesn't want to. I don't know what's going on.
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Jim Acosta
Maybe he wants Iceland. We don't know. He kept picking up Greenland and Iceland. Maybe it's now Iceland's turn.
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Huxy Bach
Maybe, Maybe. Yeah. And now there's apparently some kind of, some kind of deal. But I just saw in the Danish news that none of our people, I mean, our foreign minister has no idea what this deal is about. So I don't know, maybe it's the Icelandic guy he's made some deals with. That's what you're saying.
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Jim Acosta
Maybe, maybe it'll all become clear in the next century. But, but who knows? Yeah, but the other thing too is, is that there's a, there's a lot of confusion as to what Greenland could offer the United States because it seems to me, and I, you know, I'm no genius here, but the United States and Denmark have been allies for, I don't know, a very long time. Generations. Yes, certainly, certainly very much so since World War II. And as I've been saying on the show, we kind of already have Greenland in the sense that, yeah, friends, we're part of NATO. If somebody were to attack Greenland, America would be Johnny on the spot. They'd be there, you know, supporting that mission. Maybe not now. Who knows about now? But, but you, you catch my drift?
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Huxy Bach
I think, I think even now. Yeah, no, but because we, we take our commit. Commitment to NATO pretty seriously. So. Yeah, I, I read yesterday that, that, that Mr. Trump said that, that he was, he was absolutely certain that if, if NATO got in trouble, they would be there, but he wouldn't. He wasn't certain that NATO would come and help you guys. And I, I think we would. I don't think he has to worry about that. But. Yeah. I'm sorry, what was the question again, Jim? I'm, I'm, I.
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Jim Acosta
No, no, I mean, it just seems to me that there is already a collective defense.
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Huxy Bach
Right, right, right. That was it.
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Jim Acosta
In, in place. And he's announced today that he's got this agreement, this Arctic agreement to protect the Arctic. Any NATO countries that are close to the Arctic, if they come under attack by anybody, the Russians, the Chinese, the Martians, you. You name it. The United States, by virtue of NATO Article 5 there, it's part of the collective defense, the common defense. So he's adding a defense agreement. It sounds as though that is going to be on top of what NATO already offers. That's the part that doesn't make sense. Yeah.
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Huxy Bach
And I think the, the part that really confuses us here in Denmark, and I know for a fact the, the people in, in Greenland as well, is that there, there is a deal that says you can build as many military bases in Greenland as you want. There have been, I think there's been like five, seven bases now that it's been scaled down a bit, but it's like, whatever, just build all the bases you want. The only thing we don't want is for you to annex the country. And it's. So, so we're pretty confused about what's going on. I mean, we did this video for New York Times, and we mentioned in the video that we've been on your side for a long time. We were the coalition of the willing. The only problem this time is we can't invade a country with you this time because we already invaded it. So it's, it's, it's getting difficult.
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Jim Acosta
Right? Yeah. No, I mean, it is. It is a little. That part is confusing, too. But you're, you're absolutely right. After 911 here in the United States, when the 911 attacks occurred, Article 5 of the NATO charter was invoked, and the rest of the members of that alliance, including Denmark, came to the defense of the United States. There were Danes who fought alongside American soldiers to go after Al Qaeda. And in Afghanistan, I mean, even, even before that.
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Huxy Bach
The Gulf War.
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George Conway
Yes.
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Huxy Bach
You know, back in the 90s, we were there too. So it's, it is kind of confusing for us.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. And, and I guess what do you, what do you sense is the, is the feeling now, Is it, does it feel like relief over there in Denmark now that Trump is back down, as we say over here, he's tacoed on Greenland. That. Is there a collective sigh of relief now?
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Huxy Bach
I think there, there was this afternoon a, a small sigh of relief. Yeah, but, but because he, he was very explicit saying, I'm not going to invade, I'm not going to use force, I'm not going to take Greenland. So there was a sigh of relief, but I think right below that, s. Relief was still a feeling of disbelief because he said things before that he didn't mean. I mean, we don't feel like, like we can trust him. He can change his mind tomorrow. And I feel that some Americans feel that way as well. I mean, he says one thing, 20 minutes later, he's either forgotten it was a lie, he changed his mind. So, so we're not, we're not feeling that safe yet.
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Jim Acosta
I, and I don't blame you. I mean, we could show a headline. This is from last October when he said he was not considering military action against Venezuela. He said this, he said this last, last October. He said that he. Trump says he is not considering strikes within Venezuela. That's October 31, 2025. I don't mean to laugh about this, but I guess if you don't laugh, you'll cry. But, but it seems to be your skepticism is warranted. Hoxie.
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Huxy Bach
Well, that's. That. I think that's the general feeling here in Denmark, warranted skepticism. I mean, I know he says he's a stable genius, but that's not. The vibe we're getting here across the pond.
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Jim Acosta
Doesn't feel very stable. Doesn't feel genius. Like, is that, that's, that.
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Huxy Bach
No, but, but the, the, the thing is, I mean, and that's where we're kind of worried. It's, it's. And I don't know how this looks when you're inside the United States, but looking from the outside, that the world's most powerful man is acting this irrational and this weird is not very comfortable for the rest of us, for the rest of the world.
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Jim Acosta
Not reassuring at all.
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Huxy Bach
No.
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Jim Acosta
And that's why you're hearing talk of the 25th Amendment to the Constitution here in the U.S. which would. I, I don't think it's, it's actually going to come to pass because his cabinet is not going to remove him. There aren't those kinds of people in the cabinet. But there is a provision in the Constitution if he becomes mentally incapacitated Theoretically speaking, he could, he could be removed from office, from his own cabinet.
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Huxy Bach
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
I don't. How does that sound over there? I, I don't think it's going to happen.
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Huxy Bach
It's. I think it sounds like a good thing to have in a constitution. But I agree with what you're saying, Jim. I don't think, I don't see it happening right now. I mean, it seems like, and this is just a personal take, but my take on this, the difference between Trump 1.0 and, and 2.0, is that his first term was, was he was surrounded by a lot of, you know, there were some smart people around him, some, Some people who pulled him away from too much crazy stuff. And it seems that the second time around, he is surrounded by yes men. And, And I don't think. I can't. I can't name anyone who would pull him away and say, you're. You're crazy. This is not working. I mean, that's how it looks to me.
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Jim Acosta
You don't have that kind of faith in a vice president dance, it sounds.
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Huxy Bach
No, yeah. No, I don't. Well, I mean, I actually read his book. I read Hillbilly Elegy, and in that book, he seems like a nice guy, but the guy I'm seeing on TV now is not the same guy. So I'm not, you know, I really don't know which one I'm talking to.
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Jim Acosta
Not this. I, I think I agree with you as well. Well, any, Any final thoughts from our friends over in Denmark? Cooksy, if you, if I, we're asking you to speak on behalf of your entire nation, of the entire kingdom.
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Huxy Bach
Yes, listen.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, go ahead.
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Huxy Bach
No, a final thought would be that, that, that we're worried about you. But, but we're really, we're really rooting for you. We love America. We have gotten so many great things. I mean, the reason, the reason I speak this well English is because I've been brought up on American TV shows. And I mean, your whole culture is something we, we cherish. So. So we like you, but we're worried about you right now, and we hope you. You come back.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, we're worried about us, too. Or at least a lot of us.
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Huxy Bach
Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
And certainly I can speak for myself. I'm. I'm deeply worried, and it tends to be a theme of this show from time to time, but sometimes we have to cut loose and have a few laughs because as I said earlier, if we don't laugh, we'll cry. But hooks, your Bach. Thank you so much. For giving us a take from that side of the pond, your side of the pond. I hope we can do it again sometime, although under circumstances.
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Huxy Bach
Yes, let's hope so. Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure. All right.
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Jim Acosta
It was a pleasure. Thanks, Hooksie. Thank you very much. Really appreciate it. And I mean, and, you know, we've been wanting to do this for some time, which is to, to get somebody's take from over there in Scandinavia as to what the hell is going on. And I, I can tell you just from talking to folks that I speak to from time to time, and this Danish journalist I mentioned earlier, who I met last year, who said, I mean, he said this to me. He said that, you know, we are deeply worried about what is happening in the United States. We're deeply worried that America is going to turn its back on Europe, that it's going to be a threat to Europe, it's going to be a threat to European security and sovereignty. And that has been a very big theme over this last year that, you know, that Donald Trump has basically been totally responsible for with all of these threats that he's made against longtime American allies. And I mean, the other thing that we have to talk about that I didn't get into with George, didn't get into with my last guest, is that, I mean, folks, the situation in Minnesota, it has, it has not changed. It is. It has not changed. And one of the things that I'm concerned about as Donald Trump comes back to the United States with his tail between his legs, because, let's, let's face it, this was a humbling experience for him over there in Davos at the, at the World Economic Forum. He's coming back with his tail between his legs because he had to back down. He had to taco again, this time on Greenland. He's done it on so many other occasions. He said today he's not going to put tariffs in all these European countries. And so, again, he's a man who speaks loudly and carries a small stick, sort of a reverse Teddy Roosevelt. And what concerns me about all of that is he's going to come back, and I think he's going to start to do more saber rattling internally, domestically, and in particular with Minnesota, which has been going through so much right now. And one of the things that we've seen throughout the last several weeks in terms of what's been happening in Minnesota is you've seen a lot of terrific independent journalism happening on the ground. There are people on the ground, not, not with a network, not with a major newspaper, but with sometimes just a cell phone doing incredible work. And in addition to that, there, there are really fine independent journalists who bring an excellent craft to their work. And, and one of those outfits is a group that I've showed you before on this program and it's Evident Media. They're an independent, high level journalism outfit. And I want to bring in Zach Toombs now. He's with Evident and Zach has been working on a terrific story. Zach, great to see you, man. Thanks.
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Zach Toombs
Great to see you too. Thanks for having me on.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, I was doing a little bit of a long winded wind up there, but I was, you know, to make the turn from Davos to Minnesota. I think there is a, there is a turn to be made here. I think there's, there's probably a concern, a good concern, and I think the odds are probably pretty good that this is going to happen. He's going to come back from Davos feeling like he's got to, you know, turn everybody's attention to something else and he's going to go back to Minnesota. And it has just been horrendous watching these ICE raids unfold. They're grabbing US Citizens out of their homes. Obviously the killing of Renee Good. And one of the things that your team has worked on over at Evidence, Zach has been focusing on some of these individuals that you see in these masks working for ice, working for cbp, working for other parts of the Department of Homeland Security. And they are using excessive force in a number of occasions with zero accountability. Tell us about some of the reporting you've been doing.
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Zach Toombs
Yeah, so people are used to hearing about ICE by now for good reason. But there's also Border Patrol and Border Patrol agents have been some of the most aggressive agents on the front lines clashing with protesters and carrying out these really aggressive raids. And evident media with our partners at Bellingcat who do great open source investigative research and journalism, we looked at the use of force. In one particular example, you see examples like this, and this is a video that I know is circulated showing this woman with disabilities who's pulled out of her car. There are all these violent clashes happening with protesters, Border Patrol and ICE and people have been blinded, people have been injured. We looked at one instance that didn't get as much attention, but it got a lot of. It was captured from multiple angles. And so it gave us an opportunity to really dig deep and examine what was happening. And we saw over a five minute span, this agent, who can be identified by his patch EZ17 within 5 minutes Shooting these munitions, chemical irritants, basically from what's called a less lethal grenade launcher directly at the heads of protesters. And this is troubling for all sorts of reasons. For one, it violates DHS and Border Patrol policy, their own policy on use of force. They consider that deadly use of force when you're firing a, again, a quote unquote, less lethal grenade launcher directly at the head of a protester. So they're not supposed to do that except in extreme cases. And here he was in five minutes just spraying it right at the faces of people almost at point blank range. So that's what we looked at in this case, and it gave us really clear visual evidence and a clear example of a really aggressive use of this crowd control measure that they're using. But again, it's just one example. This agent was a member of bortac, the Border Patrol tactical unit. As you can see there, he's been seen with Gregory Bevino, the CBP commander in Minneapolis, but also before that even in Chicago. And so this is something we've been tracking. I think the last time I spoke with you was about what was happening in Illinois and all the violations of this restraining order that a federal judge had put in place there. We just, on Friday, actually, when we published this, there was a ruling from a federal judge in Minnesota trying to limit the use of these chemical munitions on protesters, on peaceful protesters. And of course DHS said, well, we're not using, we're not, you know, we're not doing anything wrong. We're not using these munitions on peaceful protesters. We're only using them on violent protesters. So right now that's where, you know, one big area of focus is how they're labeling these protesters that they're coming up against and, and just how hard they're cracking down on them with this kind of weaponry.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. If we can, let's, if we can show the piece, I'd love to, I'd love to see it for the viewers to see it too, because the way you explain it, it's, it's really terrific. Let's take, let's see if we can take a look at the whole piece.
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Zach Toombs
Uz17 fires the last shot towards this crowd just before the agent enters their truck and leaves. This fifth shot creates multiple projectiles or sub munitions that emit chemical irritants consistent with 40 millimeter rounds like the scat shell. Some of the projectiles just narrowly miss people in the ground. Homeland Security's own policy states that agents may only use weapons like 40 millimeter launchers when no safe and feasible alternative exists.
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George Conway
And.
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Zach Toombs
And that the use of force must be objectively reasonable. And Border Patrol policy states agents cannot intentionally target the head or the neck. In California, a person was permanently blinded last week when a DHS officer fired a pepper ball gun at their face at close range in a protest. Agent Easy 17 has continued to accompany Greg Pavino on other raids in Minnesota in the following days. We reached out to the Department of Homeland Security to ask about this incident involving Agent Easy 17, but we've received no response. Read the full investigation@bellingcap.com.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, and Zach, I mean, let's talk about this Easy 17 guy, because the reason why you call him Easy 17 is they don't have their names on their uniforms. Right. Just like they wear masks so you can't identify them. And it's almost like you're referring to a Star wars droid.
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Zach Toombs
That's what I was thinking, too. Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
17, when I heard this, I was like, sounds like a Star wars story. This is a guy. And it looks like you've chronicled this. He repeatedly shoots people at close range, sometimes in the face with these chemical rounds, these chemical irritant rounds. It's. And it. And it's not in keeping with their standards, with, with DHS standards, their policy.
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Zach Toombs
Right.
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George Conway
Yeah.
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Zach Toombs
We, our reporting team showed this to experts and use of force. And, you know, they. Each time he uses it is its own sort of violation, and in some cases, it's violating DHS or CBP policy in multiple ways. But the biggest point of concern was just, you know, this is a weapon, a sort of crowd control, a means of crowd control that is meant to sort of fill a space, fill a space of up to 30ft away from the weapon with these chemical irritants. So it could be, you know, shot indoor or outdoor, but it's meant to fill a larger space, not be shot point blank at somebody's head. And CBP policy, it's. It's still. It's still on their website for folks who want to go look, at least for now, it's still up there. Specifically lays out what they consider deadly use of force, and that includes aiming at the head, the neck, some of these sensitive areas, and at least in this case and in others that we've seen as well, that, you know, that was something they were doing very routinely toward protesters, including protesters who were not involved in any of the, like, scuffles. There were one or two incidents of somebody was beating on the side of the border patrol truck. And they fired in the face of that person. But there were other instances where somebody throws a snowball at them and they turn in that direction and fire straight into the face of some other person who was not the person who threw the snowball. So it's definitely troubling a lot of human rights observers and experts in this sort of use of force from federal agencies.
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Jim Acosta
And Zach, is there any way to figure out who these agents are? I mean, one of the things I remember is after January 6th, there was a lot of citizen journalists work going on where people were, you know, capturing. Your partners at bellingcat do a lot of this where they, they can geotag and capture images and, you know, cross reference with publicly available databases and figure out who people are. But are. Are some of these agents just so heavily masked and, and with just no kind of, you know, recognizable features that, that you just can't really figure out who they are. That they are basically anonymous, faceless in this case.
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Zach Toombs
Yeah, Exactly. I mean, Z17, who, as you pointed out, it sounds like everyone's least favorite Star wars droid. That's all we can really identify this person by, because that's the Patch. But I mean, but I think what is interesting is that we're getting to the point of having so much visual evidence across so many different places all around the country that we can actually start to track where these agents have been and what their behavior has been like in other settings. And so, for example, I mentioned that we also spotted this same agent with the cbp, Commander Greg Bevino, someone who everyone at this point does know his name, and he's been a very recognizable face. Some of these agents you can identify based on their patches or other identifying features. And they're now popping up in multiple places like in Chicago where we. I think the number that we landed on there was. We found 28 instances of Border Patrol and ICE agents violating the restraining order that a federal judge had in place there. And there was one video in particular where EZ17 was standing right next to this agent who deployed tear gas in a way that appeared to clearly violate the restraining order. So it is interesting now seeing the wealth, the visual evidence, you know, shed some light on.
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George Conway
The.
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Zach Toombs
The recurring trends from, from the agent behavior and from the behavior of, of Border Patrol and ICE.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. Who is Agent EZ17 as we were just showing on screen there? Indeed. Zach, great work as always. Great stuff from Evident. Uh, check out Evident on Substack, all the socials. Uh, you guys are doing amazing stuff, man. Anytime. I know you flag your work for us, and we try to get you on as fast as we can.
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Zach Toombs
Thanks.
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Jim Acosta
Jim. Did that again here. And we'll keep on doing it. So thanks for what you do.
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Zach Toombs
Really appreciate it. And, yeah, thank you.
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Jim Acosta
All right, Sounds good.
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Zach Toombs
All right.
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Jim Acosta
Thanks, Zach. Thanks so much. I do want to go back to Donald Trump mixing up Greenland and Iceland, because if you missed a little bit of my conversation with George Conway, they're.
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Donald Trump
Not there for us.
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Jim Acosta
It is. Let's, let's, let's do it again.
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Donald Trump
That I can tell you. I mean, our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland, so Iceland's already cost us a lot of money.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, he did this repeatedly. And then there was the other sound. We play that again, the other sound bite where he. He says somebody's called him Daddy or something. That was Europe.
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Donald Trump
I'm helping NATO and I. And I've. Until the last few days when I told them about Iceland, they loved me. They called me Daddy. Right. Last time, very smart man. Said, he's our daddy. He's running it. I was like, running it. I went from running it to being a terrible human being.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Donald Trump
But now what I'm asking for, it.
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Jim Acosta
Seems to me Daddy should know the difference between Greenland and Iceland. If you're going to threaten global security, if you're going to threaten the future of NATO, if you're going to royal global financial markets, you ought to know the difference between Greenland and Iceland. And one of the more reprehensible things that happened while Donald Trump was over there in Switzerland and, you know, and there are many for such a short visit, is that Caroline Levitt. Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary, just told one of the biggest and stupidest lies that a White House press secretary could ever tell. There's a reporter at the bottom of the screen there, Libby Dean. I think she works for News Nation. She tweeted that Donald Trump mixed up Greenland and Iceland several times during his speech. Caroline Levin, this is the White House press secretary. This is being tweeted out on a government Twitter account, X account, whatever you want to call it. She says, no, he didn't, Libby. His written remarks refer to Greenland as a piece of ice because that's what it is. You're the only one mixing anything up here. And then she has a picture of Greenland with some ice there, as if that's supposed to. That makes up for him saying Iceland. He's. We're supposed to. We're supposed to accept that he's talking about an ice land in reference to Greenland. That that's not what happened in either of the sound bites that we just played. And so I've said this before. I'll say it again. Caroline Levitt, go home. You are ridiculous. You are a joke. In no world does anybody believe your denials about Donald Trump. And there he is right there, mixing up Iceland and Greenland, two different places. Not the same place. Earth to Donald Trump. As we've said before on the show. Earth to Donald Trump. Greenland and Iceland, not the same place. You would think that if you're threatening to invade a NATO ally, you'd be able to get which NATO ally you're invading. I mean, you'd be able to get right what country you're invading. And Donald Trump can't seem to do that right now. And I, I will just go back and I will say once again what needs to be said. When Joe Biden was the President of the United States and he would make mistakes like this, and he did from time to time, they would go wild on Fox and act as though Joe Biden was going to drop dead at any moment, that his brain was mush. 25th amendment. They would have all these segments saying, who's really in charge over at the White House? Who's pulling the strings? Who's the real president? Is it Kamala Harris? Is it Barack Obama? Where are those segments now? Sean Hannity? Where are those segments now? Jesse Waters? Where are those segments now? Greg Gutfeld, you're not going to do it because you're Trump propaganda. You're Trump state tv. And what's worse is that members of the corporate media have made it very clear that the cognitive abilities of the president of the United States are relevant, that they're very much at issue. Okay, so are we going to see stories about the 25th Amendment in the corporate media now? It sure as hell seems like we should. It sure as hell seems like it is high time to talk about the cognitive state of the President of the United States. There is a, there is a clear double standard. There is a clear double standard. If Joe Biden had gotten up and given a speech and mixed up Greenland and Iceland repeatedly, everybody in Washington would be losing their, never mind the whole narrative that we never covered this stuff when Joe Biden. We did. We did. It was covered and it was on the most, the most watched cable network, Fox, over and over and over again. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And Donald Trump is in a state of cognitive decline, ladies and gentlemen. He is the poster child for the 25th Amendment, in addition to mixing up Greenland and Iceland, which you could say, oh, he had a senior moment, whatever. He keeps talking about windmills. Does anybody have any idea. Can somebody please clue me in? And I used to cover the guy. Why in God's name does he keep talking about windmills? It makes no sense. It's batshit crazy. But he keeps doing it. And everybody act. Everybody just whistling past the GRA Graveyard. We're just whistling past the graveyard of our democracy. Donald Trump is not well once again today in front of the World Economic Forum in Davos, he was talking about how he won the 2020 election. Can somebody, can somebody take the wheel? Can somebody grab the keys? Can somebody finally admit that this president is not all there and that there are major stakes at hand in all of this? There, there, there's something in it. We got skin in this game. The President of the United States is, is, is basically one flew over the cuckoo's nest at this point, folks. It, this is way beyond mixing up Greece, Greenland and Iceland. It's way beyond that, folks. He keeps bringing up things that are rattling around in his head like windmills and the 2020 election. And it doesn't make any sense. As the kids say, make it make sense for me, it doesn't make sense. And the reason why Caroline Levitt looked like such a damn fool is because she tried to make sense of the senseless. She tried to make sane that which is insane. And the problem with sane washing is that it doesn't work on the rest of us. Those who live. Those of us who live in the sane world can recognize the insane. And it seems to me the 25th amendment is not a punchline. It's not a joke. It's not something. I mean, I suppose they will probably do something about it on Saturday Night Live, but it ought to be treated seriously because this is a serious situation, folks. He's going to get worse. There's, there's already reporting he's going to go out on the campaign trail over the next several weeks to start drumming up support for the Republicans in the midterms. Keep an eye on that tv. Keep an eye on that Fox. And the next time he screws up mixing up Iowa and Indiana or Minnesota and Mississippi, just check over there on the five to see if they cover it. Let's go check over there on Hannity to see if they cover it. I'll tell you one thing, they are not going to cover it, ladies and gentlemen, because they know where their bread is buttered. But, folks we know what the truth is. And that is why independent media is so important. While the corporate media, while the Trump propaganda outlets are afraid to tell you the truth, we are not. We are going to tell you the truth. We're going to tell you that Donald Trump sounds like he's a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, that his elevator doesn't hit all floors. He's a couple of nuggets short of a Happy Meal. And we can say that here on independent media because I don't. We don't have corporate overlords who. Oh, oh, don't say that, Jim. Don't know. Don't. Don't disturb the exotic bird. You know how sensitive he can be. We don't have that problem because the truth matters. Reality matters, sanity matters, especially when it comes to the President of the United States. My thanks to George Conway. That was a doozy of a conversation. My thanks to Hooksey Bach, comedian from Denmark, and to Zach Toombs from Evident Media. My thanks to all of you for watching. Still reporting from Washington, I'm Jim Acosta. See you next time.