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Trump Freaks Out Over Epstein with Vicky Ward and Stephanie Miller plus Academy Award Nominated Actress Lily Gladstone on Her New Documentary
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Jim Acosta
Foreign welcome to the Jim Acosta show. And it's another day that ends in y in the Epstein gate cover up. Today, Donald Trump told the Justice Department to investigate anybody but himself when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. Here to discuss is investigative journalist Vicki Ward. Vicki, great to see you. And I guess remember that Epstein email that called Trump the dog that hasn't barked? Well, the dog, you could say, is barking a lot today. I guess we should just dive right into this. A lot of things to talk about, I guess. First of all, your reaction to Trump saying, you know, he wants the, the DOJ to investigate Bill Clinton and Larry Summers, but, you know, not himself, which I guess, you know, there's the, there's social posts there. Anybody?
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Vicki Ward
Yeah, you know, I wasn't surprised by that, Jim, because I've reported this, that back in 2015 when, you know, Trump was running for president the first time around and 2015 was when Virginia Roberts allegations against Prince Andrew, I mean, she actually identified Prince Andrew by name. She hadn't done that before. And she came out with claims that she made in a, in a class action lawsuit. Trump, when Trump heard all about that and what was wondering aloud to his campaign staff who included a guy called Sam Nunberg, if his previous relationship with Epstein would be a problem for him. His, actually his, his immediate reaction to Sam was, oh, well, Epstein is a much bigger headache for Bill and Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was obviously running against him for president at the time than, than Epstein is for me. And I, you know, and anyway, I chucked Epstein out of Mar A Lago. So that was how he dealt with the issue back in 2015. So it's almost surprising it's taken him this long to get to the same point in this, in this cycle about Epstein.
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Jim Acosta
Everything's cyclical, I guess, to some extent. But I mean, the other thing, and we should mention that, I guess Pam Bondi, the attorney general has said she will assign an investigator to this prosecutor to this. So stay tuned for developments on that front. It's another instance where, you know, Trump is just ordering the DOJ to do things, which is another thing that we could talk about some other time. But let's talk about the April 2011 email because, Vicki, you've investigated Epstein for so many years. You've broken a lot of stories, you've uncovered a lot of stuff. I mean, when these emails came out, I thought they were pretty explosive because here we have it in black and white. You know, this, this April 2011, this is before Donald Trump becomes a candidate for office. He was sort of dabbling in politics back then. He was the birther stuff. He was, he was going on talk shows and talking about politics, but he wasn't a presidential candidate. But Jeffrey Epstein saying to Ghislaine Maxwell, I want you to know, realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump victim. Redacted. Spent hours at my house with him and he has never once been mentioned. Police Chief, Etc. I'm 75 there. Ghislaine Maxwell says, I've been thinking about that. Your thoughts on this, because there aren't many pl. I mean, there aren't many plausible explanations that sound good to me for Donald Trump. But what do you think? What, what did you take away from this? Because you know this much better than I do.
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Vicki Ward
So I think you have to connect that email with, with one he sends himself much later in 2019. But I want, you know, I think context is really important.
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Jim Acosta
I want to show that one, too. But. Yeah, go ahead.
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Vicki Ward
Yeah, so. No, no, so could. So let's take them in order. The 2011 email to Ghislaine Maxwell in April is right after the Mail on Sunday. And then the Daily Mail have published that photograph of Virginia Roberts with Prince Andrew and his, you know, arm around her waist and allegations, you know, the allegations that we sort of are familiar with now that Epstein, you know, pimped her out, but she doesn't specifically name Prince Andrew and she doesn't name the people she says he pimped her out to. In. And in the se. Second article, Trump is mentioned along with Naomi Campbell and other people just as people who were in Epstein's orbit. So, and Maxwell came out swinging.
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Lily Gladstone
In.
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Vicki Ward
The wake of those two articles accusing, publicly accusing Virginia Roberts of lying and various other people who are named, including the former Israel Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. You know, back then, believe it or not, they had spokespeople who did talk to the Mail on Sunday and said, yes, we know Jeffrey Epstein. You know, I hope Barack knows Jeffrey Epstein doesn't know anything about Virginia Roberts. Trump said nothing. I mean, arguably there was nothing to say, but as we know. Well, you know, Trump, Trump in those days was on speed dial to places like Page Six.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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Vicki Ward
You know, you know, it was New York real estate Trump with, you know, Trump was Trump. And so, and, and we also do know at this point that Jeffrey Epstein didn't want Ghislaine Maxwell to weigh into this publicly. I mean, it's one of the things he subsequently sent emails to her and, and wish he wouldn't do it. He himself remained dead silent. And so I think when he's, you know, he's, he's noting that Trump is, is, is staying quiet, which is, which is not usual. But he then in this email then goes on to talk about the Palm beach police chief, right? Yeah, he's 75% there. Well, and I also think, Jim, just to put context, it's worth remembering that in 2009, which is two years before all of this, right, Trump has already got on the phone, unlike any of the guys, the other bold face names who are hanging around with Epstein. Trump volunteers to get on the phone to Brad Edwards, then a not well known lawyer in Florida who's bringing together the Epstein victims in a class action suit because they're going to sue because the plea deal that was the non prosecution agreement was done behind their backs. And when Brad Edwards reaches out to speak to Trump via his council, Alan Garton, Alan says, no, no, you don't need to subpoena him, he'll jump on the phone with you. And he was the only one of all these well known high profile men whose names we kind of all know by now. And Trump gets on the phone and, and says to Brad Edwards, you know, how can I help? And he says, yes, I did used to hang out with Epstein. He tells him this story that emerged again in the emails that came out a couple of days ago. He tells him how he stood in Epstein's living room in Palm beach and then he looked out the window and there was a group of remarkably young girls. And he asked Epstein about it and Epstein said, yeah, they're part of my mentorship program. And, and you know, Trump, I mean, went out of his way, according to Brad Edwards, who's written about this in his book, to be helpful. Edwards also says that as time ticked by and he interviewed more and more of these witnesses and more and more survivors, he reckoned that Trump hadn't quite told him the full extent of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. But I've always wondered, I mean, you know, Donald Trump's very smart. I mean, to be willing to give up time to jump on the phone to talk about Jeffrey Epstein in 2009 is an unusual thing to have done. Why did he do that? Was he trying to get ahead of a situation or was it because there was such bad blood between these two guys? And I must say, Jim, as you read, as you know, reading all of the emails that were released two days ago, it did seem as if Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with Donald Trump.
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Jim Acosta
I mean, his name is all over this.
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Vicki Ward
Yeah, more than 50% of these emails were gossip and speculation and questions about Trump. And given that they hadn't actually spoken since 2004, you had to wonder, allegedly.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, right.
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Vicki Ward
Yeah, we allegedly. But you had to wonder why. And that's why I think when you think about the dog didn't bark email in 2011 and, and it mentions the Palm beach police chief in that email. And then you go to the one in that he writes in 2019, January 2019, he writes, yeah, he writes this email to himself and then forwards it to Michael Wolf. And we know that Michael Wolf is looking, he's Trump's biographer. He writes, you know, vast number of books on Trump. And that's very useful for Jeffrey Epstein because he, you know, uses all the information Michael tells him. You know, he thinks that's helpful for him. He then goes and tells the Russians. But he, Michael, we know, we've seen is, is wants anything on Trump. And we've also seen in the emails that Epstein says, I'm the one who can bring trump down. And January 2019 is right after the Miami Heralds excellent series by Julie K. Brown, Perversion of Justice has been published. It's right around the time that Ben Sasse, then the senator for Nebraska, is joining with Republican, is joining with the Democrats. They're beginning the drumbeat saying, why has nothing been done about Jeffrey Epstein? It's just a few months before he is, in fact, finally going to be arrested. And so I think it's fascinating that he, he spews all of this out and some of it, the first half is sort of defending himself.
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Jim Acosta
Right, right. The second part, yeah.
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Vicki Ward
Is all about this business deal that supposedly caused the rift between the two men.
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Jim Acosta
The house, Right.
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Vicki Ward
Yes. This, this battle for this house that was going into bankruptcy. Epstein wanted it, to buy it him for himself, told, asked Trump to come see it because he wanted suggestions for how to, you know, where to put a swimming pool and reconfigure it. And the next thing he knows, they're in the auction and Trump outbids him and gets the house in auction for $45 million. And Epstein, in his telling of this to Michael Wolf says, you know, there's, there's problems with that because Trump doesn't have $45 million. He has nothing. Now you have to question how did Jeffrey Epstein know that? And he says, given, given that he has nothing, he then begins to question the things that happen next, which is that basically Trump puts it on a market at such a ridiculously high price that no One's going to touch it, but it will then justify why a Russian oligarch, who's one of the few people who wouldn't probably care about paying such a high price a few years later, comes in, buys it for $100 million. So I think you can see that the insinuation from Epstein is this money laundering is, is, is, you know, did he buy it for the Russian oligarch? And then he questions what. How did Trump disclose this on his tax forms? Because did he pay taxes? He declared a capital gain on this. Okay, so that what he's, that is what he's saying in this email to Michael. He's basically saying, go away and have a look at this. I will say something else, Jim. I suspect that he talks to, that he says there, there were only three people involved in the bankruptcy of this house. The other is a guy called Pulte P U L T Y I. That that is in fact Pulte P U L T E. Jeffrey could not spell.
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Jim Acosta
I saw that. And I was wondering the exact same thing.
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Vicki Ward
Connect. That is either the father or the grandfather of the man in the news running Fannie Mae.
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
Right?
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Jim Acosta
And running more than just Fannie Mae. He's. He's suggesting people like Eric Swalwell for investigation.
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Vicki Ward
Exactly, exactly.
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Lily Gladstone
Wild.
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Jim Acosta
I saw that too.
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Vicki Ward
Yes. So, but I think, you know, this is clearly Jeffrey Epstein telling Michael, go after Trump. This is what I have on him. But I know from Michael Wolf, because he and I have talked, we've done interviews on Substack, that the reason Epstein was so obsessed with Trump was because he believed that it was Trump who had gone to Michael Wright, writer, the Palm beach police chief, right after this fight over the bankruptcy. According to Michael Wolf, Epstein said that he threatened Trump that he was going to expose his finances. Well, I mean, I, I have a problem with that because what was he going to expose and to whom?
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Jim Acosta
So these guys, these two guys, Epstein and Trump are fighting.
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Vicki Ward
Yeah, he was going to expo. Expose Trump's finances, but I don't know how he was gonna, you know, I mean, and the idea of Jeffrey Epstein phoning up. Yeah, I don't know. A reporter at the Wall Street Journal kind of defies belief.
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Stephanie Miller
But.
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Vicki Ward
But his workings. Epstein's working theory was that it was Trump who tipped off the Palm beach police. And, and it is true. The Washington Post did report that two weeks after this, this house sale, the Palm beach police chief did receive a tip about young girls going in and out of Jeffrey Epstein's house.
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Jim Acosta
Wow. Wow. Yeah. There's a I mean, there's a lot to unpack there. The other issue, too, is, is that, you know, just the other day when Caroline Levitt, White House press secretary, is trying to knock this down, she said, you know, Trump got rid of Jeffrey Epstein because he was a creep and a pedophile. That is, that is somehow not in not in line with the timeline, I should say. But can we play play that and then I want to play this other thing and then we'll talk about it and then.
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Lily Gladstone
Sure.
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Jim Acosta
Have your statement about the new Epstein.
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Vicki Ward
Emails that have been released by House Democrats, separate from why you believe the emails were made public, can you address their substance? Did the president ever spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house with a victim?
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Jim Acosta
Ms.
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Caroline Levitt
These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong. And what President Trump has always said is that he was from Palm beach and so was Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a member at Mar A Lago until President Trump came, kicked him out because Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile and he was a creep. And this email you refer to with the name of a victim that was unredacted now and has since been jumped.
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Jim Acosta
Out of there, she says that Trump kicked Epstein out because he was a liar in a creek. But this is what Trump was asked in 2019, whether he knew what Epstein was doing with underage girls. And here's what Trump said in 2019, this at the White House during his first term. No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I haven't spoken to him in many, many years, but I, I didn't have no idea. So he says he has no idea. He kicked out Jeffrey Epstein from, from Mar A Lago, Caroline Levitt says, for being a creep and a pedophile. So that means those two things don't.
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Vicki Ward
They'Re no, they don't.
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Jim Acosta
They don't work. They don't square.
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Vicki Ward
They don't. They don't I think it's worth and.
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Jim Acosta
There'S been a lot of lying about the what Trump's knowledge of the behavior was, of the criminal behavior was yes.
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Vicki Ward
It is worth pointing out that in Virginia, Jeffrey's memoir, which has only just been published, that there is a footnote in which she herself refers to the fact that in 2020, a book reported that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar? A Lago not because of her, but because of because Epstein was hitting on the teenage daughter of a member. And so it's worth, I think, noting that that's something that Virginia Giuffre wound up Believing. But why Donald Trump can't remember his own history on this is, you know. Yes, it is. It's very strange.
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Jim Acosta
In the April 2011 email, I, you know, can somebody explain me why he was spending hours at the house with a victim? And it's been reported in the White House alleged that we're. That the name that's redacted there is Virginia Giuffre's name. But I, Until I see the email unredacted, I don't know that that is the case. And do we have any. Is there. Is that still a question that hangs in your mind? You know, what is this all about?
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Stephanie Miller
Well, I mean, I'm going to come.
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Vicki Ward
Back to the money.
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Jim Acosta
Jim, you think it still comes back?
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Vicki Ward
Because, because, because, you know, at this.
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Jim Acosta
Point, it could come back.
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Vicki Ward
Yeah, I. Because. Could come back. Yes.
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Stephanie Miller
Because.
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Vicki Ward
Because Epstein does claim. And I can't remember at this point, I've read so many emails, whether it's in this batch of emails or on previous batch of emails, you know, he. And, and you do have to remember Epstein was a complete liar. I mean, no one knows that.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Vicki Ward
Better than me. I mean, I had to sit through months and months of it. But the, but he claimed that he had saved Trump from bankruptcy and that he was a financial advisor to Trump in much the same way that he was to Leslie Wexner and to Leon Black. And so, you know, one can imagine in, in that scenario that, that Trump might pop along to Jeffrey Epstein's living room in Palm beach to have a chat. I mean, that's, that's not so extraordinary. But again, it's the whole, you know, it's the whole idea. They're sitting there, there are all these girls around, and we know we've got the documentary evidence of, of how they all palled around at parties with, you know, lots of models around.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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Vicki Ward
It's, it's, you know, I guess one can see why Donald Trump, you know, doesn't like the imagery that all of this just keeps, you know, keeps putting out there.
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Jim Acosta
I mean, that's right.
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Vicki Ward
It's not the kind of, it's not the imagery he wants us to be thinking about. He wants us thinking about his, his new ballroom.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Vicki Ward
And other things.
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Jim Acosta
Right. And, Vicki, the other one last thing I wanted to ask you about is Steve Bannon. He shows up in these documents and in these text exchanges with Jeffrey Epstein. And, you know, media, the folks over at Media Matters, they're reporting this, and I had seen this mentioned elsewhere, that there's also the issue that Steve Bannon may have had, what, some 15 hours of video footage of interviews with Jeffrey Epstein that he did back in 2019. I mean, this is somebody else who probably had an extra grind with Donald Trump. Steve Bannon was fired by Donald Trump after Charlottesville. Bannon was the chief strategist at the White House, was fired in the aftermath of that. And so there was some bad blood. But then they reunited and, you know, he became an advisor to Trump after that. But there's. It's strange that Bannon is in the middle of all this.
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Vicki Ward
Yeah. So this actually has been written by none other than Michael Wolf.
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Jim Acosta
Okay.
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Vicki Ward
A lot of people missed it because it was in, I think, if not the last book, the penultimate book that Michael wrote, which was a. And it was a chapter right at the end, and it kind of didn't gel with the rest of the book, and I think a lot of people missed it. But he does describe how Bannon and Michael and Epstein's attorney, Reed Weingarten, would all get together and, believe it or not, coach Epstein for his great comeback. They coached him to appear on 60 Minutes. And, you know. Yes. Was. Was this the wisest thing for Steve Bannon to be doing? I would suggest not. I mean, I know Steve. I did back in the day at one point, SATA Bannon. I had heard that he, he, he was maybe going to even get on a plane with Epstein. And actually, in the emails, you see, you see that Epstein says, you've got to travel. And, and I did say to Bannon, go anywhere near Jeffrey Epstein.
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Jim Acosta
Wow. Yeah. Well, it doesn't sound like. It doesn't sound like Steve Band listened to that advice. But, Vicki, it sounds to me, though we have more to uncover. It's the reason why the Epstein files have to be released, and we're not going to know the full story until they're. Until they're released. But always appreciate you coming on and, and diving into this stuff. I'm sure we'll do it again. I'm sure something else will pop up and want to do it again. But I saw your. Your video about that 2019 email that Epstein sent himself, and I thought that was fascinating. So nice work as always. Vicki, great to talk to you. Thank you so much.
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Vicki Ward
Thanks for having me, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
All right. Really appreciate it. And before we got started, Vicki and I were talking about all the rabbit holes that you can go down in all of this, and there are plenty. But the. I mean, it remains the overarching question, all of this. Why won't Donald Trump release the Epstein files. His latest distraction today is to put out a truth social post saying he wants the Department of Justice to investigate the Democrats and to go after Bill Clinton and Larry Summers and I guess does he misspells Larry Summers now and just who care? I guess I shouldn't even go down that rabbit hole, but. And now Pam Bonnie is going to jump on that because she's Pam Bonnie and that's what Pam Bondi does. But you know, there's one place, there's one channel that you won't see a lot of coverage of Jeffrey Epstein. And I think you know which channel I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Fox News Channel. They call it the Fox News Channel. We know it's not really the Fox News Channel. We know it's the Fox Noise Channel. And I have lots of things to say about Fox. But one person who can really shed some light on all of this is talk show host Stephanie Miller, who joins me now. Stephanie, it's great to see you. This is a long time coming. I'm so glad that we're able to chat about this. And when I saw this moment that you had with Sean Hannity the other night, I fell out of my chair laughing and I, I don't know if I've stopped laughing because you busted him so good. How are you, by the way?
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Stephanie Miller
You know what? I'm having a little champagne because you know, it's Friday and you know, it's not every week that you kick Sean Hannity's ass, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
And thank goodness.
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Stephanie Miller
And that Fox News is dumb enough to let you come on in the middle of the Epstein bombshell emails. Right.
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Jim Acosta
And they had not been just to go back to what I'm kudos on having champagne at 1:30 in the afternoon in LA. This is why I should probably move to LA or at least get a place out there.
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Stephanie Miller
But I wish we were doing shots together. It's, you know what I do morning, we'll do it. It's, it's five o' clock somewhere.
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Jim Acosta
Absolutely. And it's, and it's almost five o' clock here. But, but knowing the thing that, and we should preface this by saying Fox was just ignoring these bombshells that had come out. What was it, Wednesday morning? And then I don't know why. So the Hannity people call you and they say, hey, Stephanie, we'd love to have you come on the show tonight and talk about Joe Biden being senile or something. Is that what was happening?
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Stephanie Miller
No, Jim, it was more ridiculous Than that. So I've been frenemies with Sean Hannity for 30 years from radio.
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Jim Acosta
Okay.
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Stephanie Miller
So, you know, his radio producer called me first. I went on his radio show, Jim, you know this game?
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Stephanie Miller
I did a ridiculous joke photo. I just did a Prop 50 event out here with Jasmine Crockett. So I did a funny joke photo of me kissing her feet because I love her.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah.
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Stephanie Miller
I don't know if I can swear on this show, Jim, but you can.
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Jim Acosta
Please.
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Stephanie Miller
MAGA lost their.
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Lily Gladstone
I don't know if you saw.
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Stephanie Miller
Twitter exploded. White liberal lady.
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Vicki Ward
Black lady feet.
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Jim Acosta
Oh, no.
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Stephanie Miller
New York Post, Daily Caller. And so that's how this all happened is I was supposed to be the liberal punching bag, Jim. Like, oh, look at stupid liberal lady. And so.
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Jim Acosta
Oh, boy.
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Stephanie Miller
So after I did the radio show, songs like come on the TV show, I'm like, okay, then that was supposed to be the subject is, what are you thinking? Oh, my God.
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Jim Acosta
How could you do that? Yeah.
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Stephanie Miller
And as you. As you probably saw, I said, you know what's interesting about this whole story is that Trump is all over the Epstein files, and I love it.
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Jim Acosta
Well, let's do this.
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Stephanie Miller
Epstein that day.
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Jim Acosta
It's incredible to me. All right, let's play the footage, because for folks who have not seen this, or if you just want to relive the moment, it's glorious. Let's watch.
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
I do have a question. I tried to get an answer out of you on radio.
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Stephanie Miller
Okay.
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
The question is, when did you notice Joe Biden's cognitive decline? And don't. I don't. Don't change the subject and deflect. When did you really notice it?
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Stephanie Miller
Well, I. I think it was through all of the times that Donald Trump has fallen asleep in public and talked about, you know, magnets getting wet in the last few. You know, my mom had dementia, so I recognize it.
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
This is not. It's a very good deflection. You're a professional.
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Stephanie Miller
You know what else is great about Biden's. Biden's decline is that Trump is all over the Epstein files. And I'm wondering if they're going to release those. Are you covering that tonight?
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
Not really. Because the woman that apparently they're talking about is the one that said he was a gentleman and never did anything wrong. And the person that had a grudge was the guy that got thrown out of mar a Lago 25 years ago.
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Jim Acosta
You got him.
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
When you get thrown out of a club in Palm Beach, Florida, that's kind of a big Deal. And it's very humiliating and embarrassing. And he was a convicted pedophile.
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Jim Acosta
Oh, gosh.
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Unknown Interviewer/Questioner
So I'm not exactly.
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Jim Acosta
He got really riled up there.
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Stephanie Miller
Trump was mad that he was one of his girls, but. Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
Well, kudos.
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Stephanie Miller
Thank you, honey. Did you like the Scooby Doo at the end? What now?
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Jim Acosta
Yeah.
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Stephanie Miller
You know, no one ever said that Trump raped all thousand girls, Jim. Just FYI. And I mean, we all know that he had the emails reveal he had Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. What's that all about?
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Stephanie Miller
He didn't throw him out of Mar Lago. And, you know, obviously, like, it was over a business dispute or something else. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. Because he stole your girls that you were sex trafficking.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah. And he's like. And he's repeatedly lied about it. We were just showing this a few moments ago with Vicki Ward. We were showing how Caroline Levitt said that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago for being a pedophile. And then Trump was asked in 2019, did you know what Epstein was up to? No, no, I didn't know anything. I didn't. You know, it wasn't me. It was the one armed man, you know, and it's. I just. Anyway, but. But the thing that is so glorious about what you did there is it exposed what goes on at Fox. And I've reported on this for many years and talked about this for many years. They are. They act in cahoots with the Trump people and the Trump administration. And they obviously made it very clear to Fox that they didn't want to see any coverage. And so there was no coverage until you brought it up, basically.
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Stephanie Miller
I gotta tell you. So I'm sitting in the chair, you know, as you do in tv. So I'm sitting in the chair. And first of all, the guy at Fox News, you know, in New York is like, I love your show. I'm like, don't say that. You're gonna get fired. But before me, Jim, as I'm sitting in a chair, this is like, they don't need to sell me to send me to El Salvador. This would be liberal torture. I'm sitting in the chair. First is Mike Johnson, then it's, I can't. Stephen Miller and then Cash, and then Cash Patel and then me. So I'm forced to sit here and listen to this solid wall of lies.
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Jim Acosta
Wow.
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Stephanie Miller
So.
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Jim Acosta
And were any of those guys asked about Epstein?
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Stephanie Miller
No, of course not. Like, so.
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Jim Acosta
And he had Cash Patel on.
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Stephanie Miller
Yeah, they thought they were having Me on for a gotcha. Like, oh my God, you kissed the black lady's feet. It ended up being like a commercial for Jasmine Crockett, you know.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, no kidding.
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Stephanie Miller
You know, they played Charlemagne. The gods saying she's, you know, should be the voice of the Democratic Party. That's why people are resonating, you know, to her. Anyway, Jim, it was hilarious because I, you know, and my mom did have dementia and Trump, obviously a lot going on. Of course they don't cover on Fox News.
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Jim Acosta
Well, and the other thing too is, I mean, maybe we should talk about this is Megyn Kelly. I mean, Megyn Kelly is blowing up and not in a good way right now. Oh my goodness.
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Stephanie Miller
Oh my God.
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Jim Acosta
She was on her show trying to, she was making this argument that maybe it wasn't pedophilia because we're talking about 15 year olds and not 8 year olds. And now she is like, what the hell? I mean people are just saying what is wrong with you? Are you, is your brain broke? What's. But to me it's like this is what happens when you're in a cult. When you're in a cult.
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Stephanie Miller
Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
You explain away the actions of the dear Leader.
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Lily Gladstone
Right.
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Stephanie Miller
And it's like they're getting us ready for what we're going to find out that we all know. We're going to find out that, oh, it's not so bad, it's not really rape. I mean, Jim, it reminds me of that whole debate about what's a legitimate rape and women have a way of shutting it down if it's a legit. I mean, and this is a woman who has a 15 year old daughter is saying it's not really rape if, if you know, it's different than five. Really. Would you be okay if your 15 year old daughter, I mean, I would.
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Jim Acosta
Want to kill the person. I mean, I'll just say right now that's what I would want to do. That I would, you know, to me, normal people, most normal people would. That's their reaction if you have kids. I mean that this is a 15 year old as a kid. I don't know how she could come to that conclusion. We were playing the video yesterday. I don't know if we can play it again. But I mean the way she just kind of goes through these verbal gymnastics, these mental gymnastics. It says to me that, that Megan has sold her soul. She's just, she's not like it's there. The soul has left the body.
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Stephanie Miller
That's why I've always been such A huge fan of yours. And why, you know, a lot of, most people doing the most important work now are on substack because, you know, the mainstream media is, you know, has bent the knee, kiss the ring. And I'm telling you, Jim, someday we're gonna, we're gonna look at how the mainstream media got a child rapist and into the, into the Oval Office. Do I need to say allegedly?
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Jim Acosta
Well, we'll say alleged. And he has said repeatedly he didn't do anything wrong, but he also said that he didn't know what Epstein was up to, and that clearly is not the case. And so, you know, there's a lot of lies, you know, lies telling lies to cover up other lies. But, I mean, you know, I think you're right about the mainstream media, and I call it the corporate media, the legacy media. And to me, you know, when they have all of these merger and acquisition deals, you've been in the entertainment and, and talk industry for a long time, and you're a legend out out there in California and all across the country, and people love you. But, I mean, you know this all too well. When there's a company, here's, there's, we can talk about Megan in a second. But when there's a company involved in charge of these companies, in charge of these news outlets, it bends the way the coverage is. Is. It just is.
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Stephanie Miller
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I feel like it, I don't mean to be rude, but it was a little sexually exciting to me how you used to come after Donald Trump because you were just doing. And I'm gay, but, oh, my God.
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Jim Acosta
I'm happy to, I'm happy to help in any way possible.
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Stephanie Miller
You know, thank you, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
And I'm a giver.
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Stephanie Miller
You were doing, you were doing what journalists were supposed to do. You know, it's just, you got to.
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Jim Acosta
Hold their feet to the fire. That's what the public expects, and that's why these companies are all in the shitter right now. Because, you know, the public is like, screw it, I'm going to go on substack or YouTube and find other places and go. They just don't want to listen to the, to the, to the news media, not do their jobs. But let's, we got the Megan thing queued up. Let's watch this and talk about it, and then I'll let you go on your way. I've taken up so much of your time, but let's watch this real fast.
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Megyn Kelly
Now. Virtually everything, not everything, but virtually everything. And this person has told me from the start, years and years ago, that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile. This is this person's view who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like he liked 15 year old girls. And I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts that he wasn't into like 8 year olds, but he liked the very young teen Titans that could pass for you.
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Jim Acosta
I think that's enough. That's enough.
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Stephanie Miller
Is that, I mean, seriously, Jim, is that they're like for the midterms at least she wasn't eight Make America Great Again.
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Jim Acosta
I know, it's grotesque. It's grotesque. And it says to me that something's seriously wrong with Megan. She's gone to the dark side and she sold her soul to Donald Trump and she doesn't know what to do with herself. You know, remember when he went after her and she was kind of held up as like, here she is over at Fox, she's actually making Trump sweat and stuff. And, and, and then she went to the dark side and, and did rallies for him and so on. And now she sounds, she sounds worse than Caroline Levitt.
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Stephanie Miller
It's just, well, and Jim, people were like, oh, you were so brave. I'm like, no, I'm, I'm like, you, Jim, I have zero fucks left to give. I'm like, I don't want to be on Fox News again. My goal is always to get thrown off and never get invited back.
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Jim Acosta
Good, because the Academy Award goes to you.
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Stephanie Miller
They always want you to play the game. Like, you know, be the liberal punching bag. Be the, you know, I'm like, no, f you.
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Jim Acosta
It's pro wrestling. They want it to be Kayfabe. They want it to be, you know, I'll do this and then you'll do that. And I'm so glad that you did not play that game with them and you exposed them in a very important moment when everybody was watching and, and wondering, is Fox going to cover this? And you just totally punctured that. So thank you, Steph. It's great to talk to you. Thank you so much for what you do.
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Stephanie Miller
Yeah, I, I need a commitment right now. You're coming on my show. I've been trying.
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Jim Acosta
I will definitely come on your show. No, we were talking a while back. I think it was right after I left and that was when my head was like spinning like a top. And so I know I'm much calmer now and I'm in more. I have people who help me with this show and I'm much more in command of my faculties on a daily basis. So we'll make it happen, I promise.
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Stephanie Miller
All right, let's do it. Let's do it, Jim.
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Jim Acosta
All right. Love you. Thanks, Stephanie. Really appreciate it. All right. I'm glad. I'm helping out in all kinds of ways too, by the way. Thanks, Stephanie.
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Lily Gladstone
Take care.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, she's, she's terrific. And it's one of those things, it's like you rarely see it when somebody breaks character in state television. And you know, it's one of those, is like, remember the lady in Russian state television when she held up the sign? It just is one of those moments that we can all look back to and say, thank you, Stephanie, for, you know, pointing out what a fraud Sean Hannity is. Because that's what he is. He's a fraud. Want to switch gears again one more time? Because I, I mean, it's not very often I get to have an Academy Award nominated actress on this show, but I, I was able to have an interview with the one and only, the great Lily Gladstone, who has been doing just amazing work in, in, in highlighting the plight of native people in this country, Native American, indigenous people in this country. And she has a new documentary that's out, it's out on PBS and they're going to be screenings coming to a city near you that talks about the return of the buffalo to the United States. And it's a mission that is very important to the Blackfeet and Lily is a member of that. And here's our interview. We'll talk about on the other side. But she just, she's an amazing person and we had a terrific conversation. Here it is. And joining us now is Lily Gladstone. She is an Academy Award nominated actress. She's an executive producer and the narrator for a new feature documentary that is extremely important right now. It's called Bring Them Home. It is from Thunderheart Films, WETA TV and pbs. Bring Them Home is about the Blackfeet Nation's decades long effort to return wild buffalo to their ancestral lands. The project is so important to the identity of the Blackfeet nation. And here to talk about it is Lily Gladstone.
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Lily Gladstone
Wow.
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Jim Acosta
What an honor. Thank you so much, Lily. Great to see you.
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Lily Gladstone
Thank you so much.
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Jim Acosta
Absolutely. And it's Native American Heritage Month right now. And so this comes at a, at a perfect time. You know, I just have to ask you first of all, and I Want to show a clip from the documentary and so on. But, you know, why did you decide to do this? Why is this project so important to you?
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Lily Gladstone
You know, from being a kid just day one, I grew up on the Blackfeet Reservation, where a lot of the film takes place. A lot of the same landscape was what I saw on my commute to school every morning. You can see my cousin Will out there riding a horse, helping. Helping drive them, drive the buffalo. Growing up, just something that I heard a lot. Partly came from my own family. My great, great, great grandfather, Chief Me, Gay Stu Red Crow, he was a signatory of Treaty 7 in Canada, but he was around for that time of transition from buffalo to cattle. And he witnessed and talked about how, you know, we're buffalo people, but you look at cattle and how they behave. They're. They're kept behind fences. They need to be fed on a schedule. They're. And he said, that's who we're going to become. Kind of a you are what you eat sort of a thing in Crass, I guess. But the return of the buffalo then has been in conversation since early childhood. For me, the first time I remember seeing the first attempt at a tribal herd, I was pretty young. This was before my family moved away from the reservation. So mid-90s. I remember driving between East Glacier and Browning to go get groceries and just waiting and hoping to see them out there. There was one time they were across the road and they totally shut traffic down. So there was a big formative point or period of my life where I would just imagine and pray for it and think about buffalo being back on our planes and imagine that resurgence. So when this documentary was coming together, it's been seven years. Seven, eight years in the making.
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Stephanie Miller
Wow.
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Jim Acosta
No kidding.
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Lily Gladstone
The documentary brilliant documentarian who came out of Bozeman. Well, came out of Brooklyn, and they came out of Bozeman. Daniel Glick, he was doing his footwork and working his way around the res and kept asking for collaborators, and everybody kept bringing my name up. So long before Killers of the Flower Moon made me kind of a global name, I was definitely known around the res and around Montana as a Blackfeet filmmaker. So I've been attached to. To at least narrate for a really, really long time. And it was. It was really kind of heartwarming and wonderful that in the background of everything that was going on with me, the buffalo continued to come back and continued to get stronger. And one thing that it's a traditional game that we're taught when we're young that you play at gatherings called make the Buffalo Run. It's before we had the horse, it's. There was buffalo runs. So you would have runners, young kids that would, at the top of their lungs, yell and scream and run for a length to draw the buffalo over a cliff. Pretty dangerous job. And requires strong runners with loud voices. So kind of took the analogy of that, that, you know, I guess that's what I'm doing. I'm out here running fast, I'm making noise, I'm leading. Yeah, a bit reluctantly, but it's all in service of making the buffalo run and bringing them home. So it was always really wonderful fuel knowing that this. This story was coming together.
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Jim Acosta
It's an incredible story. And let's watch a little bit from the documentary. I think we have a clip or a trailer and I was looking at some of this last night. It's just extraordinary.
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Lily Gladstone
Let's watch. This has been our home for millennia. For almost that entire time, we've lived with and alongside the buffalo. But more than a century ago, we and the buffalo became the targets of genocide. Without buffalo, our world collapsed. But there were some of us who refused to give up, who held tight to the hope that with the return of INI would come the healing from this trauma. Growing up, there weren't any buffalo here on the reserve. Never heard anybody ever talk of buffalo.
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Jim Acosta
So slowly, you know, just start learning they're still a wild animal. When you get them into crowds and stuff, you could, you know, you'll find that out pretty damn easy. We begin to see who else should we bring in to help us evolve this idea of wild bison. Seeing them buffalo coming into territory up here would be a great victory more than anything that we've settled in the last thousand years because they're going to teach us our ways again.
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Lily Gladstone
And it was almost like they were saying, we're coming home and prepare. Prepare for us to come home.
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Jim Acosta
Wow. It is. It looks amazing. It looks beautiful. The cinematography here is. I mean, it's just. It's amazing to look at. Lily, you must be so proud of this. But I mean, I guess help us with the viewers and educating them on what happened to the buffalo because, I mean, a lot of people may not remember this or realize, I mean, they were just about wiped out. Correct.
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Lily Gladstone
I mean, and so large campaign latter late part of the 1800s, early 1900s. It was a very concerted effort. It was essentially a genocidal campaign. That famous photo of the mountains and mountains.
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Jim Acosta
Right.
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Lily Gladstone
Mountain of bison skulls. As I was Talking about my great great grandpa Red crowd, how we're buffalo people. We're not the only ones who acknowledged and noticed that. So when westward expansion was happening, when there was a price on Indian scalps, there was also a price on buffalo. Knowing that eradicating buffalo would mean that we would become dependent or we would just go away entirely. So this campaign was enormously successful. And it's kind of a miracle that we have the American bison anymore. And it's, you know, I want to call it a miracle, but I also want to call it kind of metaphysical will, I suppose, will of any will of the buffalo, that one of our genetic herds from this time was it found kind of a sanctuary on the Flathead Reservation for a while. And then those buffalo moved up to Canada and still Blackfoot ancestral area territory. But this specific herd sat and waited for almost for over a century, for 100 years. And then in 2016, I remember going out and visiting the yearling. We got about 40 head, 40 to 60 head of yearling that were brought down and corralled. And those are the ones that you. You see in the film that's continue to grow. And knowing that they look a little bit different, too. They sound like little pigs. They're really cute when they're young.
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Jim Acosta
Don't get too close. As we saw that one gentleman close exactly in the ring there, I thought, oh, gosh, this somebody's gonna get hurt. But I have to ask you, because everybody knows you from Killers of the Flower Moon, which I love that book. I read that book, like, in a couple of days. It was incredible. And then the movie was just amazing, and you were incredible in it. And what is it about the stories about Native Americans, about our indigenous people? Why. Why are these stories resonating with us now, do you think?
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Lily Gladstone
Something that a lot of indigenous folks have been saying for a while, we've survived genocide, we've survived concerted efforts to limit our liberties, to limit our speech, to limit our way of life, and we're still here. So there's been an enormous amount of tumult as of late, and it's affecting communities that haven't really ever felt it before. So I feel like, you know, we have survived and we are still here in the face of all of these very concerted efforts, these large policies, these governments policies to kill the Indian, save the man, to basically eradicate our way of life, and in the hopes that we just kind of disappear. And clearly we haven't. And that very much comes from going back to who buffalo people are when, when you're facing adversity as a kid back home, one thing you hear a lot is that you just turn into the storm and face it head on. Because that's what buffalo do. You know, cow will need a rancher to take them to a pasture. Needed them to take them to a, a barn basically so they can survive a cold winter. Buffalo cal in sub zero so their babies, their newborn babies can survive 50 below. And the way that they get through the storm is they keep moving, they face it head on and they break the, the strongest buffalo break the, the embankments and break the storm and the snow that's piling up. Everything they do is protective of their young, protective, protective of their vulnerable and they just keep moving. So we've learned how to do that from them. That's one thing I'm really grateful about this documentary, particularly that Daniel had the absolutely necessary and vital foresight to work with Blackfeet filmmakers. A lot of times you see documentaries that have a biological element because in a lot of the documentary we work, we're talking about restoring bison as a megafauna for, you know, some necessary ecosystem revitalization. And a lot of times when you're talking in western biological terms, there's this strong resistance to anthropomorphize. So you're not supposed to morphize the animals. Well, it's true. You always got to be mindful of how much you're projecting yourself into what you're seeing. It's kind of the opposite with us. Buffalo have taught us who we are. Human beings are kind of pitiful creatures. If we're born in the middle of a sub zero storm, we're not going to make it. So we have to learn how to be. And one of our biggest teachers are the bison. So it's. Yeah, I think the lesson that people can look to from native peoples who have survived all of these, you know, centuries now of, of hardships, of, of erasure. Essentially we've learned how to survive from our land, from, from the non human peoples that we share our land with.
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Jim Acosta
Yeah, a couple of things you said there really resonated with me. One is about being part of a culture that is facing the threat of eradication and erasure. I think that that message resonates with a lot of people right now. And I think also what you're talking about, the, the connection between ourselves and the natural world which I think so many people have lost sight of.
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Stephanie Miller
Absolutely.
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Lily Gladstone
Yeah.
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Jim Acosta
Our climate, our environment.
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Lily Gladstone
Exactly. It's, it's a global crisis. And it's a global crisis of shared resource, but also of a sense of self, of identity. There's this idea of man conquering nature, and that's absolutely not it. You know, it hasn't been that long in our timeline as Blackfeet people that we haven't had been hand in hand with buffalo. And seeing that come back and seeing the revital, revitalization of purpose, sense of who we are coming with it, that's always, that's always been big part of the goal, I guess. And I hope that's what an audience that is not indigenous takes from it is. We have one world and we are part of a very big picture. We're kind of brought up in Western, Western society to believe we're at the top of the hierarchy, but we're really part of an ecosystem and, and restoration of that and acknowledgement of that, humbling ourselves that we're animals too. And we're a pretty pitiful species when you look at it. We have, we have a lot to learn from being what we're meant to be, which is stewards of a world that is way bigger, way more connected, way more powerful than we are.
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Jim Acosta
Such an important message right now. Lily Gladstone, I. To me, you are such a role model and it's, it's so amazing and important that you have emerged as this incredible star right now and you're, you're using that platform to tell the story of your people. There's, there's some of the dates. If you want to see this documentary in person, it's coming to a town near you. And I think it's so wonderful that PBS is part of this too. Yay. Public broadcasting.
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Stephanie Miller
We love public broadcasting.
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Jim Acosta
But Lily, I'm a huge fan. I know you're so busy doing these interviews. I won't hold you up too long, but kudos to you, honestly. Way to go. Amazing stuff.
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Lily Gladstone
Thank you so much for giving us the time to talk about this too. Just means so much.
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Jim Acosta
You bet. The great Lily Gladstone, who will be seeing for years to come. I promise you, everybody, we're going to be seeing Lily doing amazing projects for your years to come. Thank you so much. Really great to talk to you. Appreciate it.
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Lily Gladstone
You.
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Jim Acosta
It really was great getting to know her there and make sure you check out her film. It is going to be coming out on PBS in the next couple of weeks and really appreciate her time. Thanks for that. Want to touch? Finally, very quickly, on the Epstein story. Uh, we've just obtained, I've just obtained this letter from some of the survivors, the victims families, they have written this letter and they've sent it to every member of Congress up on Capitol Hill. They are calling again for the release of the Epstein files. Of course they're sending this letter. In this very critical moment in the story in Epstein Gate, you saw all the emails that were released by the House Oversight Committee, led by the Democrats on that committee, who, who obviously pushed this forward first. And now, you know, we're seeing basically a, a huge moment that is shaping up for next week. We, we saw that they had the necessary votes in the House for the discharge petition. That means that there will be a full House vote, we expect next week on releasing the files. Then the matter goes to the Senate and then it goes to the White House. Of course, we all expect Donald Trump to veto that if it ever gets out of the Senate. But I want to read some of this letter to you. It's on screen right there. It says, we write to you as the family of Virginia Roberts Giuffre and as fellow survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and their co conspirators, you have the ability to vote to release the Epstein files. And with a delivery promise the American people have waited for far too long. We implore you to do so. Several weeks ago, when a few brave survivors stood before you and recounted their harrowing stories, many of you were shaken to your core. We urge you when you cast your vote, please do not forget the horror you felt that day. There is no middle ground here. There is no hiding behind party affiliation. The testimonies you heard are just a fraction of the unimaginable suffering endured by more than a thousand victims alike. Epstein and Maxwell's crimes exposed a double standard of justice. Where rich and powerful men and women evade repercussions. Despite years of work to bring them to justice. And most of Epstein and Maxwell's co conspirators remain completely, completely free, continuing to amass power and prestige, living without apparent shame. As you gather with your family this season, this is important. Remember that your primary duty is to your constituents. Look into the eyes of your children, your sisters, your mothers and your aunts. Imagine if they had been preyed upon. Imagine if you yourself were a survivor. What would you want for them? What would you want for yourself? When you vote, we will remember you and your decision at the ballot box. This last April, we lost our sister Virginia, a true American hero and a beacon of strength to survivors everywhere. Her resilience in the face of immense adversity, the threats to her life Financial ruin, public shaming inspired us all. Her courage brought this case to a momentum, excuse me, a monumental turning point. And her testimony exposed the lurid secrets of global sex trafficking network. In doing so, she brought down a prince and paved the way for us to come forward and fight. Virginia was failed over and over by the systems that consistently believed and supported her abusers over her. Today, we urge you not to fail another survivor and deny them justice any longer. Embody Virginia's courage. This is what they're saying to the members of Congress here in Washington, be brave and stand for her. In her absence, vote yes on the Epstein files Transparency act, both for justice, accountability and the truth. With gratitude, respect and resilience from survivors and the family and friends who love them. And on the back of the letter, you see it on screen there, all the names of not all of the survivors, but of the survivors and their family members who have added their names to this. There's one where you just see initials award. But imagine the pain and the heartache and the suffering that these very brave people have endured for years. And now Congress is on the edge of a very big moment. Are they going to deny the truth to the American people? Are they going to turn their backs on the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell? Are they going to do that to the Republican members of the Congress? I mean, this is really, this is really directed at you. Are you going to protect and shield Donald Trump once again? You know, he's put out this cockamamie truth social post trying to say he's got. Now he's going to have the Department of Justice. And Pam Bonnie has already said, I'm going to do this. Investigate the Democratic figures who show up in these Epstein documents and emails and so on. That is not what. That is not what the families want. That is not what the survivors want. They want the Epstein files released. It is something Donald Trump campaigned on. It is something that people like Cash Patel said he would do. It is something that Pam, Bonnie said she would do. And today she's saying she's going to have the Southern District of New York investigate Bill Clinton and Larry Summers and so on. The survivors. I, I've talked, I've talked to some of the folks here. They're just saying release the files. They're not saying pick and choose. Donald Trump is the one who wants to pick and choose. And why is that? Why does this continue to be an issue for him? Why does he continue to be engaged in a cover? Why is the White House still engaged in a cover up and strong arming the Justice Department as part of that cover up, they brought in poor Lauren Bovert and brought her in the Situation Room as part of this, as an attempted cover up, trying to strong arm people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Nancy Mays to vote against releasing these files. And, and make no mistake, ladies and gentlemen, going into next week, the White House, the administration, the Justice Department, Cash Patel, they're, they're going to be lobbying these members of Congress to please don't vote for this. And it's expected that there's going to be a jailbreak in the House, that they have enough votes in the House that this is going to get through the House. It's going to come down to the Senate, ladies and gentlemen, where they need 60 votes to call the vote, to call the final vote on this. And if you're a Republican senator who is going, is this how you want to go down? Is this how you want to be remembered? Will you be able to face the voters at home? Will you be able to face your constituents at home? If you have once again helped Donald Trump conceal the Epstein files, the survivors want them released. It is time to release them. It is time to stop playing games. It is time to end the diversionary tactics. Donald Trump, what are you so afraid of? Why are you asking Pam Bonney and the Justice Department to investigate the Democrats? Just release the damn files. What are you so afraid of? Why won't you do it? What did you do? As I've said on this show is not what did the president know and when did he know it, it's what did he do? What did you do? What did you do? My thanks to Vicki Ward, to Stephanie Miller and to the great Lily Gladstone. Really appreciate her time as well. Thanks to all of you for watching. I don't say this enough and I know I've gone a little over today, but it means so much that folks out there are subscribing to this show. It helps support the work that we do. So if you're watching this on substack on YouTube, if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or somewhere else, it helps. If you subscribe, hit that subscribe button. Hit that like button. It does make a difference. It does right there. As my executive producer Matt puts in the Chiron, you know you want to. You know you want to, but it helps support the work that we do. If you're, if you're fed up with the legacy media, with the corporate media. As Stephanie Miller was saying earlier on One way to strike back is to support independent media. And if you support this program, you are supporting independent media. My thanks to all of you for watching once again. Still reporting from Washington, I'm Jim Acosta. Have a good evening. I'll see you next time.