Israeli Mouthpiece Predicts FALSE FLAG ATTACK In U.S. To Kill Peace Deal!

Summary

The Jimmy Dore Show – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Israeli Mouthpiece Predicts FALSE FLAG ATTACK In U.S. To Kill Peace Deal!
Air Date: June 22, 2026
Host: Jimmy Dore
Featured Guests: Glenn Greenwald, Mike McRae (impressions), Kurt
Main Theme:
The episode digs into explosive claims that "Israeli mouthpieces" are predicting (or threatening) a false flag Islamic terror attack in the U.S. to undermine a new Iran peace deal, with commentary on the manipulation of anti-Semitism accusations, media narratives, the bipartisan nature of U.S. war policy, and the relentless labeling of dissent as bigotry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Claims of a Planned False Flag Attack (00:03–03:17)

• Main Issue:
  Jimmy Dore discusses how far-right Israeli commentators like Laura Loomer are "predicting" a major Islamic terror attack in the U.S., suggesting it could be a false flag intended to sabotage peacemaking with Iran.
• Dore’s Argument:
  He interprets such predictions as thinly veiled threats—a warning that if the U.S. pursues peace with Iran, a catastrophic attack will conveniently occur ([00:09] "she's almost broadcasting that watch for a false flag coming from the Zionists.").
• Key Quote:
  "She says it will likely be 10 times worse than 9/11, which was also a false flag." – Jimmy Dore ([01:34])

2. The Dangerous Weaponization of Anti-Semitism & Zionist Narratives (03:17–05:39, 12:01–14:54)

• Zionism’s Strategy:
  Dore and Kurt contend that Zionist leaders benefit from Jews feeling unsafe worldwide to justify Israel’s existence and perpetuate their agenda.
  "The fuel for Zionism is to make Jews feel unsafe in other parts of the world so they feel like they have to go to Israel to feel safe." – Jimmy Dore ([01:54])
• Irony Noted:
  Israel was supposedly created for Jewish safety, but such rhetoric actually makes Jews less safe everywhere.
• Institutional Overreaction:
  The team outlines how overzealous responses to individual incidents—such as a Cornell student’s bigoted email rejecting work with a Jewish company—create wider backlash and reinforce negative stereotypes, ultimately harming actual Jewish safety.
• Notable Greenwald Quote:
  "Adults with large influential platforms… routinely say things way worse… without facing any consequence, let alone a completely unhinged, coordinated campaign… to ruin their life." ([11:00])

3. Hypocrisy in Media and Political Establishment (17:46–26:16)

• Glenn Greenwald on Cancel Culture & Media:
  Greenwald notes mainstream media and powerful figures immediately moved to expose and blacklist a young student for a private anti-Semitic comment, while public figures face no such retaliation for hate or warmongering against others ([10:55]).
• Greenwald’s Critique:
  The "censorship industrial complex" after 2016 is called out for selectively destroying dissenters while ignoring wider, more powerful voices of hate or suppression.
• Real vs. Manufactured Protests:
  Greenwald distinguishes genuine protest movements (with demands and actual resistance) like the campus protests against Israel’s war in Gaza, from establishment-fostered "No Kings" rallies that lack substance and exist mainly to channel energy harmlessly back into the system ([27:38]).

4. Bipartisan Complicity in War and Corporate Power (30:07–47:02)

• Two Right-Wing Parties:
  Dore and Greenwald contend there is no real political opposition in the U.S.—both major parties support endless war, Israel, corporate power, and are quick to label anti-war voices as "anti-Semitic" or "racist" ([44:15]).
• No Demands, No Real Opposition:
  The so-called opposition—like the "No Kings" rallies—takes no concrete stand against power, because Democrats and Republicans fundamentally agree on war and corporate priorities.

5. Smears and the Futility of "Anti-Semitism" as an Insult (47:02–51:57)

• Labeling Peace Advocacy as Hate:
  Dore showcases exchanges in which anyone supporting peace with Iran is viciously smeared as a "racist" and "anti-Semite," demonstrating how such terms are weaponized to shut down legitimate dissent ([47:48]).
• Satirical Take:
  The overuse of "anti-Semite" is compared to "conspiracy theorist"—devalued to the point of meaninglessness ([50:14]).
• Kurt’s Quip:
  "There's nothing more evil than peace. I mean, we know that." ([49:00])

6. Comedy and Satire Break – J.D. Vance Impression (51:57–58:52)

• J.D. Vance (satirical phone call by Mike McRae):
  In-character, Vance gripes about being scapegoated for a messy Iran peace deal while trying to hawk his memoir, humorously bemoaning his bad luck and the absurdity of the political moment ("I'm playing 4D chess here. The more this Iran war can be shown to be a disaster, then the more I will let it leak that I was against it from the get go…" [57:08]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jimmy Dore on media narratives:
  "If I was a Jew, I would be furious at Larry Loomer and people like this because now people see it coming… This is what makes Jews less safe." ([01:55])
• Kurt on Zionist manipulation:
  "The rich ones didn't want the poor ones around… get them all into this one place and we'll use them as a colonial outpost…" ([04:41])
• Glenn Greenwald on protest movements:
  "The way you know they're real protest movements is not just because they have attached demands… but also because they end up getting crushed by the state." ([27:38])
• Glenn Greenwald on accusations of anti-Semitism:
  "The pro Israel right has no discourse other than to scream racist and anti Semite at everyone who disagrees with them. They hurl these slurs more frequently and casually than the caricature of the woke blue haired Oberlin sophomore they used to endlessly mock." ([49:03])
• Kurt (satirical):
  "If Glenn's anything, he's more of a yenta, I would say, than an anti Semite." ([50:14])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• False Flag Claims and Israel’s Motivation:
  [00:03–03:17], [01:34]
• Zionism, Anti-Semitism, and Backlash:
  [03:17–05:39], [12:01–14:54]
• Media/Censorship/Cancel Culture:
  [10:55–14:54], [17:46–26:16]
• Political Establishment & Protest Movements:
  [27:38–30:07]
• Weaponization of ‘Anti-Semitism’:
  [47:02–51:57]
• Satirical J.D. Vance Phone Call:
  [51:57–58:52]

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Tone and Language

• Outrageous, irreverent, and profane:
  Dore brings sharp sarcasm, blunt criticism, and humor throughout, balancing serious political critique with satirical and comedic elements.
• Voice of Glenn Greenwald:
  Analytical, principled, sometimes caustic, focused on the structure and ethics of media and institutions.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode of The Jimmy Dore Show is an intense, deeply critical exploration of recent attempts (primarily by Israeli and pro-Israel voices) to paint any move toward peace with Iran as an existential threat, often by predicting or almost inviting false-flag terrorist attacks. The hosts and guests dissect the rhetorical and political machinery that weaponizes “anti-Semitism” to quash dissent, how both U.S. parties are complicit in war and corporate cronyism, and how dissenters in media face coordinated campaigns to destroy them—while powerful figures are rarely held accountable for their own hate or violence. Using dark humor and satire (especially in the recurring comedic phone call bit), the show conveys outrage over persistent media dishonesty and political manipulation, delivering a densely packed, bracing critique for progressive and freethinking audiences.

Transcript

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, come see me on tour. I'll be in Levittown, New York, June 26th and 27th and Chicago September 18th 20th. Go to Jimmy Dore.com for a link for tickets establishment media sucks August lighting, so good luck. Bullshit. We can't afford why he's fomenting this watch and see as his jack off the medium speeds and jumps the medium and hits him head on. It's the chimmy door. What's another way they could sabotage a peace deal with Iran? Another way is false flag. And now Larry Luber, the mouthpiece of Israel, is actually predicting it. So she says soon there will be a massive Islamic terror attack in America and the perpetrators will likely have financial ties to podcasters and those who are sowing discourse for foreign nations in America. That would be you.

[Kurt]

That's the Rogan sphere.

[Jimmy Dore]

That would be what Larry Loomer is doing. I predict there will be many casualties and only then will it be maybe set that the people have been conned into supporting a terrorist psyop to distract you from the threat of Islam. So what this is all about is that she's almost broadcasting that watch for a false flag coming from the Zionists.

[Kurt]

Look at Julie Dory. Look at you wrote it up the top.

[Jimmy Dore]

It said, she says it will likely be 10 times worse than 9, 11, which was also a false flag.

[Kurt]

Which is also. Oh, why? Because you'll be dancing ten times as hard to it Israelis.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Julian Dory says it's the way this guy clearly wants an attack to happen. That pisses me off more than anything.

[Kurt]

It's my boy Julian Dory. Hilarious.

[Jimmy Dore]

So if I, if I was a Jewish, I would be furious at Larry Loomer and people like this because now people see it coming. Now they know it's going to be a false flag. And people and this will. This is what makes Jews less safe. When you predict stuff like this again, let's remember that the Zionists got the Muslims and Christians which are actually get along fine together until Zionists made them think they were enemies. Muslims revere Jesus. They revere the mother Mary. You know who doesn't? Judaism. So as, as we've shown you many times, they, if you go to Israel, they'll spit on Christians. And they and the people in the at the tippy top of government just say it's a tradition. So what this does is make Jews less safe. This makes people so now if there is a fault. So when a false goal, that's the goal. And so that is so as Kurt says, that's the goal, because that is the fuel for Zionism. The fuel for Zionism is to make Jews feel unsafe in other parts of the world so they feel like they have to go to Israel to feel safe. That was the whole deal that they made with Hitler. Am I wrong about that, Kurt?

[Kurt]

No, it's very obvious. That's what they've been doing. And you can go look it up real easily. And there's plenty of Jews that talk about it.

[Jimmy Dore]

So here's what Glenn Greenwald says about it. Everyone understandably gets a bit nervous when an agent of Israel starts threatening, I mean, predicting a major mass casualty terrorist attack on American soil just days after the American President announces a deal that enrages all of Israel. You know who's not upset about this peace deal? Iran. You know who's not upset about this peace deal? Shia Muslims. Which are the people who populate Iran and run it. Those are the people who are not upset about this peace deal. In fact, they want it almost as much as Donald Trump wants it. He's desperate for this peace deal because he realizes he screwed up. He has no cards to play. Iran can shut down the Strait of Hormuz, which they've done. And we've now almost burned through all our reserve oil, which means that the economy is going to tank if he doesn't get a peace deal right now and open the Strait of Hormuz back up to oil traffic because we burned through all our oil. And so that's exactly what is making Jews less safe is Israel. That's the, the irony of that, that Israel was invented so Jews had a safe haven. No, Israel was invented for maniac, bloodthirsty Zionists to go steal someone else's land. That's what it is. It's not there to make sure Jews are safe. Jews are safe. Everybody I know, everybody I know in Florida, New York, Hollywood, they all feel very safe, right?

[Kurt]

Well, the rich ones didn't want the poor ones around. They're very classist and racist and they didn't want an influx of Eastern European Jews. So the Rothschilds, all them, like get them all into this one place and we'll use them as a colonial outpost and they can be cannon fodder like the rest of, like the Goyer, cannon fodder. And so are the other Jews to your up there. Larry Ellison don't live in Israel, does he? Not to my knowledge. And the Rothschilds don't live there. They got streets named after them. They don't live there. None of these rich live there.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there you have it again. If I was a Jew, I would be furious at Israel. I would be furious at Benjamin Netanyahu. I'd be furious at people like Larry Loomer and people who are going to do a false flag because Mandy Patankin's steaming mad.

[Kurt]

The guy from the Princess Bride is very upset. Is he Israel? Yeah, to his credit. He's like, really? He looked like he was foaming in the mouth about it. I don't blame him.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's what makes Jews less safe and that. But of course, Zionism can't live without anti Semitism, which is why they create it. They create it. They want you to hate them. Zionists want you to hate Jews because it is the fuel of Zionism. They have to have an excuse for a state of Israel. So here's a crazy story. So this kid applies for this internship and this is how New York Post says it. Anti Semitic Cornell student turns down interview because he's not interested in working for a Jew. So a Cornell University student who applied for a summer internship with Jewish owned NYC startup rejected the opportunity with a hateful message. Not interested in working for a Jew. The Shock CEO posted it on X on Twitter. But now they're trying to ruin this kid's life. Austin Franco put his anti Semitism on full display, by the way. You could say that. You could say that I don't want to work for a Muslim. You could say nobody would kill it. Nobody said I don't want to work for a Russian. Nobody would give it. You could say anything you want. So this is again, this is the Jews themselves showing you that Jews try to run the world. This is, that's what they're doing. It's like they're playing into as, as, as Charlie Kirk said, they play into every anti Semitic trope themselves. They're doing it. People say they run the media. They are outright by. By the media. They buy TikTok, they buy CNN. They buy Paramount, they buy CBS. They buy all of it. Austin Franco put his anti Semitism on full display when he passed up an interview with with vry, whatever that is, because it co founded its co founders Gabe and Alden Einhorn are proudly Jewish. Franco, 19, delivered the message to both brothers via job board site Handshake after applying for a summer role at the company, which pairs renters with landlords and verifies their identifies to prevent identities, to prevent fraud. Sad world. So this kid then outs him, Gabe wrote on Twitter Monday, along with the screenshot of Franco's jaw dropping eight Word response to try to schedule a zoom call. Not interested in working for a Jew. Thanks Gabe Einhorn told the Post he felt obligated to share the message to raise awareness of growing anti Semitism. Yeah, why do you think that it why do you think there's growing anti Semitism? Because you are all censoring having censoring people, having college kids thrown in jail, having students deported for writing things critical of Israel. As you commit a genocide and cheer it on, I wonder why people are becoming anti Semitismatic. He blacked out Franco's name out of the graciousness but commenters quickly revealed his identity. I felt bad exposing him because I thought he could have made a bad mistake and he really doesn't believe it this wholeheartedly. But the Ivy Leaguer soon made it clear that he meant every word of it because he that because he doubled down on Twitter. The student who hails from Virginia doubled down at an expo sharing the next day so here's what Glenn by the way, here's the idiot so hey, why did you black out his name? He goes, yeah, I bet. Either that's a fake or you're an utter coward for blacking out the kid's name. He goes yep, I made, I made a fake AI message from handshake, you caught me. Or maybe I just don't want to expose his whole life, but clearly people want to see that happen. Typical response though to say it's fake. So then the guy goes no Gabe, you are being weak. If somebody does this, they deserve consequences. The only way to people prevents it is with strength. Be strong. Be a strong Jew. Don't be one of the weaklings that reacts in a way to get us attacked more. Be a man that makes them afraid to attack your people. Don't you think this is going to make people want to attack you more? Like everything they do creates more anti Semitism. And then guy goes, you're right, you have a good point. So here's what, here's what Glenn Greenwald said. A 19 year old college student, quiet, quietly turns down a job interview. By the way, Glenn Greenwald Jew stupidly telling the company it's because he doesn't want to work for a Jew. Within two days, the billionaires founder the billionaire founder of one of the world's most powerful corporations, Palantir, demands that the company release the student to the world. The company instantly complies. So they release his name to the world. And they immediately did national media trumpet the incident and spread the student's name and face all over the place. A senior Trump Department of Justice official repeatedly urges the public to notify him if that student is ever hired anywhere in the future, promising to use his office to keep that student permanently unemployable.

[Glenn Greenwald]

What

[Jimmy Dore]

adults with large influential platforms, pundits, media types, even elected officials right here on Twitter routinely say things way worse and often much worse. Pretty much every other group you can call. Again, that's like I pointed out, you can think of without facing any consequence, let alone completely unhinged, coordinated campaign of very powerful people to ruin their life. So here's the Leo Terrell so if the Jew hater is ever hired, please post and I will retweet. Here they are on Foxhorn.

[Emily]

One of those owners of that company, Emily, that we just watched, he said I felt bad exposing him because I thought he could have made a mistake. And he really doesn't believe that wholeheartedly. I'm glad we know this individual's name. I'm glad he was exposed indeed. And the brothers are so generous and graceful, certainly more than I am because I do want his life to be ruined. I agree with you. It is a permissive structure. And parents, what are your children putting out there? What are the people that have been in your household putting out there online and to the their friends, what has been fomented?

[Jimmy Dore]

Because so what? They want a 19 year old kid's life to be ruined because he said he didn't want work for a Jew privately. But they, but someone like Randy Fine could call Muslims dogs. I mean they could commit a genocide. Benjamin Netanyahu has rest warrants out for him all over the place, but that's not bad. But somebody said he doesn't want to work for them. Oh my God. We live in a six. By the way, this doesn't help. If you think this is. You think you're somehow going to censor everyone into liking Zionists? Not going to happen. You think you're going to ruin someone's life to make them like Jewish people? Not going to happen. This is amazing.

[Emily]

Clearly there is a disconnect. Somehow this person learned that there is an audacity that you can have with this anti Semitism. That's what I found so shocking. Guy and I, I toured Poland together last May and whenever I see things like this it harkens me back to our trip where apparently there's been no evolution since World War II. That that deep seated cultural hatred.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh my God, that's allowed.

[Emily]

That's been fostered. Has somehow reignited here among the Youth. And it is sickening. Cornell needs to take greater steps. So do parents, so do online forums. And somehow this 65 pound vessel of hatred needs to know that not only is this not okay, but it's not acceptable socially. Because clear and among those kid groups.

[Jimmy Dore]

But genocide is okay socially. Just to let you know, shooting kids, targeting kids. You know, all the IDF soldiers they take, on one day they'll shoot them all in the groin, on another they'll shoot them all in the head, on another day they'll shoot them all in the elbow. It's like they take target practice. That's okay. They hire dogs to grape them in prison. That's okay. They starve them. Literally starve them. Children, babies. That's okay. But God forbid a kid say he doesn't want to work for a Jew. Oh my God, these people are mental. And if they think that this is working, I have another thing coming. People hate them even more and will continue because of things like this. This is. If I was a Jew, I'd be screaming like, stop doing this to. Would you quit doing this to people. Because this is what makes Jews less safe. Stuff like this. Not that kid saying he doesn't want to work for one, but this overreaction by the super powerful to try to squash a 19 year old kid, that's what makes Jews unsafe. A genocide committed by Israel supported by the United States is what makes Jews unsafe. Deporting college students who follow all the rules for writing a critical op ed about Israel, that's what makes Jews unsafe. Censoring people and arresting college students protesting a genocide of babies in the name of Israel, that's what makes Jews unsafe. This is what makes Jews unsafe. Not a 19 year old kid saying he doesn't want to work for Jews. That this. News reporters piling on a 19 year old kid wanting to ruin his life, that's what makes Jews unsafe. The Justice Department saying I'll make them unemployable, let me know. I'll use the Justice Department to get this kid. That's what makes Jews unsafe. You want to know what makes Jews unsafe? All this stuff. A kid said something dumb and now they're trying to ruin his life forever. For future reference, here is how you should post. If you want to get ahead in life and face no consequences, say here's Sean McGuire. Momdami comes from a culture that lies about everything. No consequence for that. No consequence. I respect Palestinians and take them seriously, which is why I hate them. Nope, no consequence for that. Remember what Amalek did To you. No consequence for that there's no guy. So there's. There are certain people you can say anything you want about. As I said, people with powerful plat platforms say things right here on X infinitely worse than what this 19 year old said in that email. Yet they face no consequences, let alone Department of Justice threats and retributions because their target was different. So what this does is play into every anti Semitic trope. There is the anti Semitic tropes that Jews control the government, Jews control the media, Jews control the world through and Jews control the backduch. This is playing into all the. It's the. It has the opposite effect. And if I was a Jew, I would be upset not at that 19 year old kid, but at the reaction to that 19 year old kid. Because that's what makes Jews less saved. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy dork.com clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business and it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a premium member. And if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support. Hey everybody, we have a big deal today. We have big shot Glenn Greenwald's with us. He is a journalist, former constitutional lawyer. He won the Pulitzer Prize in 2014 for his reporting and the Intercept on government surveillance based on the Edward Snowden documents. Remember that? That was over 10 years ago.

[Audience Member]

Wow.

[Jimmy Dore]

He left the Intercept in 2020, launched his rumble based program, system update. That's over. The guy keeps moving through stuff. He's. He's. He shuttered. He shuttered it. That show shuttered this past February. That show has been shuttered. And now he's back to doing long form journalism and commentary, primarily on Substack. He also does a video show there, but it is a hideous set that he has. Hideous. He also writes a regular column for the Brazilian newspaper. I don't know how to pronounce that. Fala de espalo, I guess. How do you say it, Glenn?

[Mike McRae]

Foia, Sao Paulo.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Mike McRae]

Beautiful, Jimmy. Beautiful

[Jimmy Dore]

Foia. Which is like the Freedom of Information act requests.

[Mike McRae]

No, it's folio. It's with an L. It means like leaf or sheet.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, okay.

[Mike McRae]

Portuguese lessons.

[Jimmy Dore]

Like basic Portuguese oh, that's right. It's Portuguese. In Brazil. Oh, yes. I've been thinking of moving to Portugal because I've been thinking of moving out of this country, and Portugal is awesome. I've heard good things. I've heard good things. How can. Yeah. What's so great about Portugal? Tell me.

[Mike McRae]

It's like, you get all the benefits of being in the eu, but without any of the. You know, like, it's not France or the UK or Spain or Germany, so it's just like its own little thing. It's a small country. It's beautiful on the water. Lisbon is an amazing city. There's all these, like, interior widows that are rural and beautiful.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, okay. Well, we should go. I've never been. I'm going to the Mediterranean in July. Maybe I'll swing by. We'll see what happens. We swing by. Can you swing by Lisbon? I think so. All right. Glenn, I want to ask you, do you have any thoughts? I know this said there's so much news breaking. It's too much news to cover. It's so overwhelming. Stuff is happening. I wanted to first ask you. You did this one of these jubilees, right, where you sit down and you debate 50 people. Yeah. And I've only seen clips surrounded.

[Mike McRae]

You're surrounded by them.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. I haven't seen. I know Dave Rubin felt that he. He was threatened physically when he did his. Did you feel threatened when you did yours? Were you afraid for your. Were you afraid for your safety?

[Mike McRae]

They're like a bunch of little twinks and, like, political junkie nerds. I mean, if you're threatened by that, you might as well never leave your house also. You know what's funny? I. I did.

[Audience Member]

I don't know.

[Mike McRae]

First of all, Dave Rubin was probably the single worst humiliation that has ever existed in the history of that program, which is unsurprising, given that I've long maintained he's the single dumbest person in all of media. And I don't mean that as an insult, just like a. As an observation. I mean, I don't mean to praise, obviously, but I just, you know, it's totally unsurprising. But I'll tell you something funny. To me, I did a little debriefing for my audience because it. Amazingly, a huge number of people watch that who don't even watch many other things, but who do watch that. They have a big audience. And I, before the Dave Rubin thing, was remarking on. They have this, like, in security protocol, like, they take you in. You don't really get to interact with the people that are there because they're concerned there's going to be physical confrontation either before, during, or after. They have tons of security. The minute there's a pause, they take

[Glenn Greenwald]

you back to the green room.

[Mike McRae]

They escort you back. I was remarking on how excessive the security was. And then Dave Rubin comes out.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Like, I felt like I was going to be killed.

[Mike McRae]

And he had this, like, security guy who he calls my guy Joey. And he's like, you know, my guy Joey. My guy Joey told me that if they attacked me, he was going to

[Glenn Greenwald]

step in and protect me.

[Mike McRae]

And it's like, what the is this neurosis?

[Audience Member]

Like?

[Mike McRae]

And especially he had liberals.

[Glenn Greenwald]

He didn't even have MAGA people.

[Mike McRae]

He just had, like, these little twinkie liberals.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I thought you're. I thought you're. You know, those are the. The snowflakes that he was debating. I thought they were. Those are the twins.

[Mike McRae]

He had like 20 Harry Sissons, and he was like, oh, my God, I thought they were gonna kill me.

[Jimmy Dore]

Harry Sisson got me, too. So he's been. He's been off the radars lately. He was getting him. So he was dating several women at once. And you can't do that and still be in good standing, by the way, at liberals.

[Mike McRae]

Do you remember that? No, not in liberal circles. That's absolutely prohibited. You have to be a very good feminist ally. Only do one at a time. Do you remember that time when Trump produced that AI video during the protest? And for whatever reason, they. To him and like, Trump flew over and dumped a huge bucket of actual shit people on Harry Susan's head.

[Jimmy Dore]

And people got upset, but they get upset about everything. Thank God for Trump. They didn't.

[Mike McRae]

I don't approve it of that. Yeah, I don't approve of that. I watch it like a thousand times, but I do not approve.

[Jimmy Dore]

But I do have to say, whatever Dave Rubin's name comes up on the show, I. How much. This might surprise you, but he is a fun fellow to hang out with. He's a lot of laughs. Not kidding. I'm not saying that sarcastically. We always enjoyed his.

[Mike McRae]

I don't know. I hung out with him. Not hung out, but I had lunch with him a couple times and I did not find him the slightest bit interesting or amusing. But maybe we just didn't combine as well as you two did. You have. He does stand up, by the way. Have you ever seen his stand up?

[Jimmy Dore]

I have not. I have not. Kurt, my. My. My co host, Kurt.

[Mike McRae]

Kurt, who's A real stand up. Again.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. He vows that Dave was not a real stand up comedian. But I, I can't say either way, I've never seen him do stand up comedy. But no, he was, he, we, he, you know, I was back when I used to smoke pot. I haven't smoked pot for years now. So maybe that had something to do.

[Mike McRae]

Maybe that explains it. Yeah, I mean, you can find humor in anything when you're, when you're all high on.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, okay. I just, I just want to play a little clip of your, of your. I hear of your jubilee and. Because I've only seen the clips that are like, mind numbing and I think this was one of them.

[Audience Member]

Let's listen.

[Mike McRae]

My next surrounded claim is the Trump administration has been considerably more corrupt than the Biden administration. I don't think there are things that compare in the Biden administration to the level of personal corruption. And what I'm asking you is whether you don't think going after your political opponent. Asking you is whether you illegally. Trump has gone after his political opponents as well. He's tried to indict James Comey, he tried to indict Letitia James, and even the grand jury threw them out. But I'm asking you about the examples that I listed. Do you think I've accurately described the personal corruption? I'm trying. If I grant your. I want to know if you think I've accurately described it, because we're talking about billions of dollars and personal wealth. Jared Kushner created a vulture capital fund, an investment fund in which the primary investors were the Saudis, who invested $2 billion into Jared Kushner's personal fund. The Emiratis have invested hundreds of billions, hundreds of millions of dollars as well. Donald Trump, his sons, Steve Witkoff and his sons created a crypto company that the UAE has devoted hundreds of billions of dollars to and then bought a 49% stake share in. The Qataris have done the same. Donald Trump Jr. And Eric Trump just created a new drone company that they're now selling to the Pentagon and getting contracts from the Pentagon that will further personally enrich the Trump family. We're talking about a level billions and billions of dollars in personal wealth that did not exist before Donald Trump entered the presidency that now exists in his family by virtue of these deals with the exact countries on which he wields the most influence. There's two points I want to make.

[Audience Member]

Okay, so first off, right.

[Mike McRae]

Even. Let's say I grant all of that. Let's say, because it's True. No, no. Let's say I grant all of that. I'm going to grant it to approve your claim. I brought up a whole list of things that Biden. How much money did Biden and his family make? Just how much? Can I make my second point?

[Kurt]

Yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Okay.

[Mike McRae]

Are American citizens not free to pursue business activities outside political office? No. No, they're not. Can Obama not pursue a net interest? Can Obama not pursue book deals? Once he's out of bottle. Once he's out of. Once he served two terms and is out of office. This was. Was Trump in office when this was happening? Yes. The World Financial Liberty Company was created in the transition after he won the election and before he was inaugurated, four days before he was inaugurated, he created that crypto company into which hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign money have flowed, enriching the Trump family.

[Jimmy Dore]

Whoa. So I think they should, they shouldn't call that jubilee.

[Mike McRae]

How scared I was.

[Jimmy Dore]

To me, you seem very scared. I think they should call that. Can I finish? They should call it Jubilees. Can I finish? Let me finish. This idea that, yes, Donald Trump is singularly corrupt. It's very hard to convince people that, yes, Trump is corrupt, but so are the Democrats. They just won't buy that. They just, they see. And that's why you see these no Kings rallies. Now, I had, I had on, you know, Jeffrey Sachs, who I have utmost respect for, but he was saying that he was glad to see the no Kings protest, people standing up against a dictator like presidency and Donald Trump. And, you know, I always make the case here that those no Kings protests are rallied. They're not protests, they're just rallies. Because if they were a protest, a protest always has a demand attached to it. And there's zero demands attached to the no Kings rally. And that's how, you know, it's a psyop by the establishment to take that revolutionary energy that is real under Donald Trump and funnel it right back into the two party duopoly. Would you agree with that?

[Glenn Greenwald]

So I'll give you an example of a real protest. And there are several of them, but I'll just give you an example of one. A real protest was the protest movement that erupted across American college campus after October 7th in protest to the Israeli genocide in Gaza and to US Financing of it. Why was that a real protest? Because there were demands attached to it that were very serious. And we want you to stop funding and arming the Israeli war in Gaza and to stop funding and arming Israel in general. And also, it wasn't A protest designed to masquerade its real intentions. Pretending it was one thing, but in reality just being kind of a partners in protest that came within the two party system. In fact, it eventually became a protest movement that rejected both parties and that probably played a pretty significant role in the 2024 election by having a lot of people who otherwise might have been inclined to vote for Joe Biden. And then Kamala Harris refused to do so on the grounds that both parties were equally complicit in this moral crime that had crossed every line. There have been other protest movements that have been crushed, like Occupy Wall street and even early versions of the Tea Party before it was co opted by the Republican Party. Some of the protest movements of the 1960s, those are real protest movements. And the way you know, they're real protest movements is not just because they have attached demands to them, but also because they end up getting crushed by the state. And the thing that I hate so much about this no Kings protest is, you know, I started writing about politics. I stopped practicing law and started writing about politics in 2005, largely in response to the civil liberties abuses of the Bush and Cheney administration, ushered in in the name of the war on terror, which was accompanied by this whole litany of these very radical article two theories about how basically the President is limitless in what he can do, really creating the president as a monarch. Like these theories that Dick Cheney had been working on since the 70s and those extended into the Obama administration. And these people who are at the no Kings rally are the same ones who are saying, oh, we have to hold hands with Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney because these are the real patriots, even though we don't agree with them ideologically or who defended Obama when he was embracing these radical theories of presidential power. And so to watch them now suddenly find their voice about the limits of presidential power and the no King protest, when in reality it's just masquerading as this more noble thing that's really a Democratic Party protest. It's just an utter fraud. There's nothing even interesting about it.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so how do you respond? Because now everybody I known for 30 years in Hollywood calls me a Trumper because I told the truth about the Democratic Party. And they some certain you get the same kind of flack. How do you handle that?

[Glenn Greenwald]

I mean, you know, look, I have been going through this for a long time, you know, and especially if you're somebody who has fixed principles, you know, like I people you have been debating for 20 years now, like what is my ideology and which is my party? And am I in the left or am I libertarian or my maga, or am I this or am I that? Ultimately, the reason why that happens is because you don't attach yourself to a particular political party and enslave yourself to it. If you do that, like I'm a Democrat, okay, that means everything that Trump does or anything the Republicans do, I'm against, and everything the Democrats do, I'm in favor. Like I recently heard Kyle Kalinsky say, he said the worst Democrat, whoever you think is the worst Democrat, is a thousand times better than the best Republican. So you have Democrats who support what he claims to think is a genocide, you have Democrats who are pro genocide, and then you have Republicans who are against the genocide, like Margaret Taylor Greene or Thomas Massey or whomever, lots of Republican people who are conservative journalists and pundits as well. But because he has fixated his identity and is very banal partisan Democrat versus Republican box where the worst Democrat is infinitely better than even the best Republican, you end up on the one hand saying things that are completely incoherent, like, I think there's a genocide, but I still think people who are in favor of the genocide are better than people opposed to the genocide. But there's never any confusion about who he is. He's a Democrat, he's a liberal, he's a, he's a member of the left liberal wing of the Democratic Party. He's loyal to not any fixed ideas like opposition to genocide, but to the party. And so there's no confusion if however, you define yourself differently if you're not enslaved by or captive to a particular political party or politician. I am a Democrat. That means that whatever the Democrats do, I'm going to cheer. And whatever the Republicans do, there's always going to be a question. Wait a minute, he was against censorship or civil liberties of Bruce's when Bush did them. So I thought he was a Democrat. I thought he was on the left. But then when Obama did them, he was criticizing Obama. But if you're criticizing Obama, that must mean that you're Republican. And that's what all this confusion, where it comes from, it's just like a very simple minded, binary way of looking at political values and conflicts and an inability to see them through any more of a sophisticated or complex lens. And so if you're somebody who thinks Russiagate was bullshit, as I do from the beginning, and I know you did too, or who hated the Democrat liberal kind of support for the NATO war in Ukraine and pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into the coffins of Boeing and General Dynamics in order to fund and arm neo Nazi battalions in Ukraine. Or if you dislike the, you know, kind of censorship industrial complex that emerged after 2016, these were all things that liberals were doing and you were criticizing liberals or diverging from their doctrine. And so the simple minded people will say, oh, you must be maga, you must be pro Trump, because they don't have any fixed principles so they can't understand other people who actually do.

[Jimmy Dore]

I was, I was gobsmacked at someone like Kyle Kalinske who was there with us on the Russiagate. He was there with us on Force to Vote and then he just seems like a lot of people just flipped all of a sudden and just became that thing you're describing, a partisan, which to me there's nothing more simple minded than being a partisan. And I was shocked, shocked by it, especially from someone like Kyle Kalinsky. And now he's just a full blown, as Aaron Mate calls a blue maga. And what do you. Is it, is it because these people like that are just as shallow as they can possibly be and they really don't have any principles?

[Glenn Greenwald]

I mean, like, you know, if I'm going to be as generous as I can, I guess what I would say is that there probably are people who just by being immersed in left liberal culture, really did come to believe that Donald Trump is some never before seen wicked, you know, curse sent by Satan and that the only thing that matters is stopping Donald Trump and that means attaching yourself to the Democratic Party, like perhaps there's a genuine belief that that is the way to understand politics. Now, for all the reasons I said, I think that's unbelievably simplistic and binary and primitive, but it's possible that's genuinely how he sees the world, that like Donald Trump is the only thing that matters. Stopping Donald Trump is the only thing that matters. And since the Democrats are opposed to Trump automatically, that makes Democrats better. I personally think things like genocide are unique evils. And so if there's a Republican who's opposed to it and a Democrat who's in favor of it, I'm obviously going to think the Republican certainly in that extremely important instance and probably overall is a better person. But if you don't think genocide is the worst thing, if you don't think destroying middle class economic security or the security of the working class is the worst thing, you actually just think Donald Trump is the worst thing, then that's going to be your worldview. I should Also say, and I know you know this, and I'm not suggesting this is what motivates him, but it certainly motivates a lot of people and it could subconsciously motivate anybody. The easiest way to gain a large audience and to make a lot of money in independent media is to plant your flag in one of the two partisan camps. I'm maga, I'm a Democrat, or like, you know, I'm from the Bernie Gale C wing of the Democratic Party. And you'll get a big audience, you'll have a lot of people watching your program as he does, but they're all like minded people. You're not actually, you're not making an impact. You're not reaching anybody who doesn't already think the way you do. They're coming to get daily validation of their pre existing views. And there are a lot of rewards with independent media for people who are willing to do that. That's in fact what most successes and huge numbers of people have gotten very rich from Rachel Maddow and Heather Cox Richardson and those Lincoln projects scumbags on down to just adopting the most extremist anti Trump view over the last decade. And not saying this is what motivates him. But he's certainly one of the people who has benefited greatly in a very material way from kind of adopting that very partisan way of looking at the world. And I think those are corrupting incentives. Even if you're not a corrupt person, like we're just human, those. We get that positive reinforcement, that daily dose of dopamine from people telling us how great we are, from having our audience numbers increase and we think we're doing something really important and big and that can subconsciously affect how we claim that we understand the world.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I mean, I was told by, you know, my liaison at I'm lucky enough to have at YouTube that yeah, if, you know, you should pick, if you picked a side, you would get better numbers and you would have a more successful channel. And I'm like, well, you know, that's not what we do. And he's like, yeah, I know that. I'm just letting you know that's why other people get more oomph in the algorithms. Now Trump is getting it from all sides. Right? So even msnbc. I just saw a clip of them criticizing Donald Trump. This deal as it relates to Lebanon. And then of course you have people like Ben Shapiro who wants to go completely bonkers and ramp up the war again. Let's listen.

[Audience Member]

I'm noticing that Muhammad Khaliba who will apparently on Friday be literally in a photo op with the vice presidents of the United States. I cannot express to you how stomach turning that is. I don't care who the Vice President is. I don't care who the President is. Leaders of the United States of America in a photo op with a mass murdering terrorist supporter like Muhammad Khaliba shaking hands six months after he blew away 42,000 innocent people in the streets and weeks after he was. His administration was firing missiles at literally all of our allies in the region and continues to support every terrorist group in the region and is currently continuing to control the strait. Like right now, it is not fully open for business unless the Iranians have quote, unquote decided it is. The idea here is that somehow this administration and the deal that has been cut weakens Hezbollah. I'm not seeing it so much. I'm not seeing it. Maybe it's there and we haven't seen the mou. For the thousandth time, we haven't seen the mou. That's not because of me. I would like to see the MoU. I think you would like to see the MoU. Hell, I think we'd all like to see the MoU. If Israel is not a party to the actual talks, which they are not. They have not been included in the talks. If Israel is not a signatory to the agreement, which they are not, how in the world could you tie Israel's hands when it comes to self defense in Lebanon while Hezbollah is firing rockets and drones over the border at Israeli citizens? Shall we say that this is not a popular mou? From what I understand in Israel and again Israel, they were flying jets alongside American jets during this whole operation. Iran was firing at American soldiers during this whole operation. So playing Halseys is a bit strange. If we release funds or if we tell our Arab Gulf state allies to release funds to Iran, it doesn't have to be American taxpayer dollars. That is us releasing money to Iran. If you unfreeze money to a terrorist group, that is in fact money going to a terrorist group. It does not have to come from American. That's sleight of hand. It's rhetorical sleight of hand. I was not earning the impression that you and I would be paying taxpayer dollars to go straight to Iran. But if we press people to release money to a terror state in order for them to continue to toll the straight and to exert control whenever they feel threatened, or for them to rebuild their ballistic missile and nuclear capacities, that is a gigantic mistake to Go back to the five standards of a good deal versus a bad deal. A bad deal would look like continued nuclear development. A bad deal would look like continued ballistic missile development. A bad deal would look like funding of terrorism abroad. Continuing a bad deal would look like continued Iranian control over the strait and tolling of the strait. And a bad deal would look like more funding going into Iran.

[Jimmy Dore]

So that's the kind of pressure he's getting from his right. He's also getting it from the left. I think the only thing first, there's so many things he said that are just ridiculous there. Like to see the vice president standing with a terrorist. They just had the chief head chopper from Al Qaeda at the White House. And he's also welcomed on Downing Street. So this, this idea that was with

[Glenn Greenwald]

Trump was with the, the military dictator of Egypt, General Sisi today. And also at the same time, Ben Shapiro is talking about our Arab Persian Gulf allies and partners who are the worst despots and tyrants on the planet, the Saudis and the Emiratis, et cetera. So that whole pretense that Obent Shibiro cares so deeply about the freedom and civil liberties and welfare of the Iranian people and cares that also, you know, I don't know if Ben Shapiro knows this, but In World War II, the United States is allied with Joseph Stalin, who actually killed huge numbers of people far, far, far, far, far more than the Iranians ever thought about killing. And President Roosevelt. And then afterwards, Henry Truman sat down with Joseph Stalin along with Winston Churchill, in order to create peace deals and create the Nuremberg trials. I mean, if J.D. vance would meet with Iranian officials, that's not even close to the worst people on the planet that the United States has met with, not just historically, but continues to this very day to meet with. But I think the more important point is not just all that pro Israel propaganda that you don't know by now. It's propaganda. You probably aren't going to listen to me explaining why the, the issue is what you referred to earlier, which is there are a lot of Democrats who agree with Ben Shapiro. You know, today Adam Schiff came out and basically was complaining that Trump, quote, unquote, capitulated that this is a horrible deal. The Democratic Party is filled with APAC loyalists. They're led in the Senate by Chuck Schumer, who absolutely wants this war to continue. And that's the pressure that Trump is going to be facing if this is a real intent to stop this war, either permanently or into the near future, which is the pro Israel Lobby does not take losses, certainly not without nuclear bombs being launched. And they have both parties, not just the neocon right, led by people like Mark Levin and Lindsey Graham, Graham and Mike Huckabee and Ben Shapiro. They have all those APAC wars in the Democratic Party as well. And both of them are going to close in around Trump and Vance in order to claim that they surrender to Iran. And I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, let me just say this one thing in the last time an American president really tried to defy the pro Israel lobby was during Bush 41, when James Baker and all those guys were telling the Israelis we weren't going to give them loan guarantees if they didn't stop expanding west bank settlement. And Bill Clinton in 1992, when he ran against Bush 41, ran on a platform in part accusing the Bush administration of being anti Semitic because they were criticizing Israel and that was endangering American Jews. I think that's what's going to start to happen to Trump as well.

[Jimmy Dore]

That. See, that's why the no Kings rally doesn't have a demand even in the Iran war, because the Democrats are actually for the Iran war. Chuck Schumer is a tool of Israel and the APOC lobby, as is Hakeem Jeffries. I mean, again, the whole, the whole Democratic leadership is. They're all neocons. That's the whole point. We have two right wing parties, so to speak, in America. We don't. There is no left wing in the United States. And that's why we have the horrible government we have. We don't, we don't have a, an opposition party. It's just, it's one party and they all agree on the same things, which is Israel, more war with in the Middle east, more war in Ukraine, the keeping American workers from health care and crushing unions. They all agree on all the same horrible stuff. Okay?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Right. And you know, that's why to the extent I was ever kind of curious about or even interested in the Trump movement and the emergence of Donald Trump was because it presented an opportunity that did not previously exist where you had a Republican president running for President 2016, against all those establishment Republican goons like Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz and all the rest. And he was running on a platform saying endless war is a disaster. The Iraq war was destructive. We have to get out of the Middle East. We're pouring all our money into the military industrial complex. And then eventually that morphed into a significant, a very significant faction on the American right. The populist American right that took America first seriously, that started questioning our participation in NATO wars in Ukraine as well as eventually our bizarre alliance with and support for Israel. And you have in a lot of ways this very unique populist coalition from left and right and from other places on the map that I had seen and hope to kind of nurture and feed all the way back, you know, when I was going on Tucker show in 2016 and talking to Megyn Kelly and being on Laura Ingram and going on these right wing shows where I was talking about this anti imperialist agenda because I saw these cracks forming and I reached the point where, and I'm sure I know you did too, where the idea of just like staying within the Democratic Party and hoping that like one day aoc, who's quickly on her way to becoming an if not worse, you know, somehow reforms any of this and introduces new politics, which is never going to happen to me. The only possibility for a new politics is creating a new coalition, like a new group of people who really aren't quite so identifiable any longer as left versus right, but kind of opposed to the corporatist and militaristic establishment and agenda that you just laid out.

[Jimmy Dore]

So again, here is if you're against peace, if you're for a peace deal, you're an anti Semite. Again they keep this doesn't work anymore but they keep trying it. Senior administration officials promise that the memorandum of understanding, the pre peace deal will be released publicly saying we are still in the early stages, we are building trust. I think what you'll see is that we are prepared to release frozen funds and we are prepared to release sanctions and we'll do some small gestures of that in the beginning if they make some small gestures to us to show that they're willing to meet their commitments as well. Hold on to your this is an American surrender says Eric Erickson.

[Kurt]

Oh, Eric Erickson Stein.

[Jimmy Dore]

Why that's that right. Gets better. Sethe. Eric says the hit griper says seethe. Go ahead. You're upset that there's a peace deal. Yes,

[Glenn Greenwald]

that's right.

[Kurt]

Because he works Soldiers surrendered.

[J.D. Vance]

Oh,

[Jimmy Dore]

the racist and anti Semites support the Iran deal. You see how that works?

[Kurt]

What's the race? Okay, what do you mean racist and anti Semite? Like what? I don't understand that. What does that mean? Like who's the.

[Jimmy Dore]

So this he's talking about this guy, the hick griper, the racist.

[Kurt]

Oh, you mean a part of a group that's probably paid for by a cut out of Israel, and this is a little stupid. Shut up, Eric.

[Jimmy Dore]

So that's how it works. If you're for a peace deal and you want to stop slaughtering people, as Trump says, as Israel blows up entire apartment buildings filled with innocent people who aren't Hezbollah, Trump is now saying that publicly. If you want to stop doing that, according to Eric Erickstein, sign you are racist, anti Semite and you support. And those are the only people who support the deal.

[Kurt]

Yeah, there's nothing more evil than peace. I mean, we know that.

[Jimmy Dore]

We all know that. Here's what Glenn Greenwald says. Once again, the pro Israel right has no discourse other than to scream racist and anti Semite at everyone who disagrees with them. They hurl these slurs more frequently and casually than the caricature of the woke blue haired Oberlin sophomore they used to endlessly mock.

[Kurt]

Well, that is a very fair point by Glenn Greenwald. And then the nerve to come up with a moronic term like the woke. Right, to describe the thing you are. Scumbags.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Exactly.

[Kurt]

And put on people that don't want to do your dirty work.

[Jimmy Dore]

Let me just go this. Willingly duped journo. So this is someone responding to Glenn. A willingly duped journo doesn't like being called what he is. Sorry, Glenn. You've earned it.

[Kurt]

He's Jewish, you moron.

[Jimmy Dore]

He's a Jew. I know. Klen says, you whiny bitches has so overused these crybaby tactics that these words no longer have any sting. And nobody cares if they get called them anymore. Nobody cares if you get called an anti Semite doesn't mean anything anymore. It's like being called a conspiracy theorist now. It's like, oh, you mean I'm just going to be proven right in a few weeks?

[Kurt]

I mean, if Glenn's anything, he's more of a yenta, I would say, than an anti Semite.

[Jimmy Dore]

I like, this is my. One of my favorite means, anti Semite. We've got an anti Semite over here. See, nobody cares.

[Kurt]

You know, if I would give advice to the good people, the good Zionists of Israel, maybe. You know what? I think you're not pushing this anti Semitism term enough. Maybe try using it for everything. Maybe I'll use my gun to turn on my tv like the Homer Simpson.

[Jimmy Dore]

If you think that Israel led the United States into the Iran war, you're an anti Semite. That's what the head of the ADL says. Did you know that?

[Kurt]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I just. I got an argument with Gavin McGinnis, who I've been friendly with for years. Okay.

[Jimmy Dore]

And he said the most boy he's got.

[Kurt]

He couldn't believe the idiot.

[Jimmy Dore]

He must be in the Epstein files or something. Or being paid no Robert Oan news.

[Kurt]

It was actually very easy to find if I felt when I looked for it. And Owen news. So he must have been getting money from that. My guess is I don't. You know, there's no way to verify. But his take is a Robert shill man take. You know, Robert Shulman, the guy who is putting out there. There was just teens on the island. The point of view of Batya Unger and of course Nick Fuentes. All these people say there's nothing to see here with Epstein. Do you really think they're not being paid by a cut out of a cutout? I'm sure. Of course they are. Nobody accidentally creates three CIA cutouts. Nobody's. Ooh, whoopsie daisy. Vice is a CIA cutout. Whoops, whoopsie daisy. The proud boys is a CIA is an FBI cutout. Whoops. Nobody does that by mistake that many times.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hello? This is Jimmy. Who's this?

[J.D. Vance]

Hey, what's up, Jimmy? It's J.T. vance calling.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, Mr. Vice President, good to hear from you. How are you doing?

[J.D. Vance]

Not good. Jimmy, I'll be honest with you. This is sort of a crappy time. Not a fun week for old no pants vans here. And I hate everything and everyone right now.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, no. What's wrong, pal?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, first of all. Okay, the sinful theme here is that I have a book that I'm trying to promote. Bear that in mind. I'm currently trying to sell a book. It's a boilerplate pre presidential run memoir or whatever is left to write about since I sort of shot my wad with hillbilly elegy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right. I got you.

[J.D. Vance]

And I named it Communion. And I thought that was clever because it referenced my creepy adult obsession with Catholicism. But unbeknownst to me, Communion is also the name of an early 90s sci fi horror movie about alien abduction that apparently freaked everybody the fuck out. No, Exactly. I didn't know. I didn't know. In the early 90s, the only movie I ever got to see was an old VHS copy of Monster SC Squad my grandma got from a pawn shop using sexual favors. So we are already swimming upstream here with title recognition just to give you some basic background here.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay?

[J.D. Vance]

But either way, I have to promote this stupid book about my journey or whatever. So the first stop, obviously is the view.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I saw that which I knew wasn't

[J.D. Vance]

gonna be a cakewalk. Not exactly MAGA friendly territory, but God damn, what a nest of old bitches that whole deal is.

[Jimmy Dore]

Mr. Vice President, please.

[J.D. Vance]

Oh, come on, Jimmy. They suck so hard and you know it. They blame me for every ill currently affecting society that, yes, I am in support of, but I didn't personally cause. And of course they grilled me about Epstein, and I'm like, I'm on your side here. Why doesn't the government release the files? Why doesn't the government produce the client list?

[Jimmy Dore]

I saw that. Aren't you part of the government, though?

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, but not that part. Not the file releasing part only. Different wing of the government. There's different parts, Jimmy. So on one end, I'm getting the business from these liberal ladies, and then on the other side, I'm getting grief from my own party. And bear in mind, I am trying to sell a book.

[Jimmy Dore]

Why are Republicans mad at you, though?

[J.D. Vance]

Because the Trump administration, in all its wisdom, started a moronic war with Iran that no one wanted, and now they're backing out with some goofy ass peace plan that has been dumped squarely in my lap, all while I'm trying to sell a book called Communion from Bantam Publishers.

[Jimmy Dore]

Lindsey Graham has said you are the architect of this peace deal. Is that true?

[J.D. Vance]

Of course not. No more than I'm the architect of the bathhouse where he will inevitably contract monkeypox. But it doesn't matter. In a game of hot potato in the Trump White House, you just have to take the hot potatoes. You can't say. You have to pretend it's a normal potato. Otherwise you betrayed Trump or the potato. Whatever this analogy demands.

[Jimmy Dore]

What is going on exactly with the peace deal, though?

[J.D. Vance]

Nobody knows, Jimmy. It's chaos. All anyone cares about is getting the Straits of Hormuz open. We basically lost this war, let's be honest, literally, by any measuring stick. But we have to make it seem like it's a victory. So that's why we haven't released a plan yet, because we haven't been able to figure out how to make it seem like we won. We even kidnapped Frank Luntz and cranked him full of amphetamines, and even he can't figure it out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, my God.

[J.D. Vance]

That's why I'm stalling. I literally told the press to cut her in Pakistan. Want to keep the details under wraps for a bit for Muslim reasons. Reasons that have to do with Islam. My staff was looking at me from the side of the room, like, literally, what the did you just say? And I'm like, lay off, dude. I'm literally making this shit up as I'm talking.

[Jimmy Dore]

This sounds like a mess, pal.

[J.D. Vance]

You think. You think, Jimmy? You think this might be a cataclysm of cataclysmic proportions that's being blamed on me while I have a book available for purchase from Delray Paperbacks.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, okay. No need to get testy. Hey, wait, your book is going straight to paperback?

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, we did some market research and to our target demo, hardbacks. Read more. Gay or like fancy pants book learning. Anyway, I'm playing 4D chess here. The more this Iran war can be shown to be a disaster, then the more I will let it leak that I was against it from the get go. And the more I can position myself as its successor to Trump, but not to Trump excesses, thereby appealing to the more reasonable MAGA base. And the more my rival Rubio, will be seen as a slavish servant of Trump, merely a robot programmed by his evil master to be Trump 2.0. Kamala Harris didn't depart from Joe Biden on anything, including Gaza, and that murdered her in the polls. The successor can't be a repeater.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, but who would have been the. Who would have been the Rubio in that scenario?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, like a guy from his administration who was even older than Biden. Biden's whole thing was, I'm old. The Rubio guy in that scenario would have to been like, you think Biden's old? Fucking look at me, dude. I'm the oldest. I'm dying right now. That would have been hilarious. Kama still would have lost to that guy too, probably. Well, I gotta go. Much like the concept of communion, my book, Communion isn't going to sell itself. Barnes and Noble in Dayton, Ohio, here we come. Who should? God damn it. I said leave some room in your suitcase. We could fit like eight or nine more volumes in there. Okay, bye, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, bye. Hey. Become a premium member. Go tojimmy door comedy.com. sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business.

[J.D. Vance]

Out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't freak out.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be, and I'll keep being me.

[J.D. Vance]

Don't freak out.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't freak out. Do not freak out. I'm not kidding. Do not do that.

[Audience Member]

I'm not.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I'm not.

[J.D. Vance]

I'm not.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I'm not.

[J.D. Vance]

I'm not. I'm not. Freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't freak out. Do not freak out.