Episode 770 | "Mr. Plus 1"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 770: "Mr. Plus 1"

Release Date: October 26, 2024

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Introduction

In Episode 770 of The Joe Budden Podcast, titled "Mr. Plus 1," Joe Budden and his eclectic group of friends dive deep into a multitude of topics ranging from personal relationships and media critique to serious discussions about violence in hip-hop culture. The episode is a blend of insightful commentary, heated debates, and light-hearted banter, capturing the essence of the show's dynamic.

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Key Discussions and Insights

1. The Dirk Murder-for-Hire Case

The episode opens with a heated discussion about the recent arrest of Dirk in Broward County, Florida, amidst allegations of orchestrating a murder-for-hire linked to the tragic death of King Von. Joe Budden elaborates on Dirk's demeanor during an interview, noting, “He could not stop showing his teeth. The whole time I was high... He looked like a proud son” ([00:50]).

Ish suggests that Dirk might have been aware of impending trouble:
"I feel like he knew something was coming because, during his birthday, he paid homage to all the fallen soldiers in Chicago..." ([32:42]).

The group expresses frustration over the cycle of violence and the role of artists in either perpetuating or breaking this cycle. Joe Budden emphasizes the need for accountability:
"These are senseless crimes that don't appear to have much thought going into it other than violent emotional reaction and response." ([32:42]).

Corey adds a psychological perspective, linking suicidal thoughts to homicidal impulses in urban communities:
"In the urban community... suicidal thoughts is homicidal impulses." ([61:44]).

2. The State of Hip-Hop Media

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to critiquing hip-hop media. The conversation is sparked by a tweet from an industry figure named Punch, who criticized most hip-hop media outlets as being detrimental to the culture. Joe Budden challenges this blanket statement, arguing,
"All hip-hop media is not trash... we just have too many different ways." ([148:10]).

Melissa Ford and Corey support Joe's stance, highlighting the diversity within hip-hop media and the importance of finding authentic voices:
"There's too many different people in hip hop media. Find the person that is true and aligns with whatever you're trying to do." ([148:10]).

The hosts debate the responsibility of media outlets to uphold journalistic integrity while respecting artists' personal struggles, emphasizing the complexity of media-artiste relationships.

3. Personal Relationships and Interpersonal Conflict

Interpersonal dynamics among the hosts take center stage as tensions rise over discussions about being "Mr. Plus 1." Ish criticizes the notion of always being a secondary party in social settings:
"You really comfortable with your masculinity... You just comfortable. You a plus one." ([85:22]).

Melissa Ford defends her stance, arguing that financial support in relationships comes with expectations:
"If I'm paying $15,000 a month in bills for you... I want shit at the drop of a dime." ([09:09]).

The episode showcases the group navigating their personal grievances while maintaining the show's energetic and confrontational atmosphere.

4. Interactions at "Girls Love Karaoke"

The hosts recount their experiences at a recent "Girls Love Karaoke" event. Joe Budden shares his decision to avoid the party scene, prioritizing his well-being over social pressures:
"I'm never that thirsty for the party. So I'm sitting there, I'm getting tired. I'm hungry... So I left." ([21:42]).

Melissa Ford and Jwan discuss the social dynamics and the temptation to engage in excessive partying, reflecting on the balance between fun and personal responsibility.

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Notable Quotes

• Joe Budden:
  "These are senseless crimes that don't appear to have much thought going into it other than violent emotional reaction and response." ([32:42]).

• Ish:
  "You really comfortable with your masculinity... You just comfortable. You a plus one." ([85:22]).

• Corey:
  "In the urban community... suicidal thoughts is homicidal impulses." ([61:44]).

• Melissa Ford:
  "If I'm paying $15,000 a month in bills for you... I want shit at the drop of a dime." ([09:09]).

• Joe Budden:
  "All hip-hop media is not trash... we just have too many different ways." ([148:10]).

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Conclusions and Takeaways

Episode 770 of The Joe Budden Podcast presents a microcosm of the broader discussions happening within hip-hop culture and media. The hosts tackle heavy subjects like violence and media responsibility while also delving into personal relationships and the challenges of maintaining authenticity. The blend of serious discourse and playful exchanges underscores the show's unique ability to engage listeners on multiple levels.

Joe Budden wraps up the episode by emphasizing the need for accountability and positive change within the community:
"We gotta stare at this shit and look at this shit. If you out there, choose your heroes wisely. That's what I have for you." ([44:46]).

Listeners are left with a call to action to critically evaluate influences and support genuine voices in hip-hop, fostering a culture of introspection and resilience.

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Closing Remarks

As always, The Joe Budden Podcast continues to provide a platform for unfiltered conversations, allowing listeners to gain insights into the minds of those navigating the intersections of fame, media, and personal growth. Episode 770 serves as a testament to the show's enduring relevance and the hosts' commitment to addressing both the joys and the struggles of their unique journeys.

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Note: The timestamps provided correspond to key moments in the transcript, facilitating easy reference to notable quotes and discussions.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, whose bullets its hosts are for entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Ish]

I can't live with you as a grown man, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y'all niggas just love y'all dance.

[Ish]

That's all. I love it.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all love. No, not you. Mind your business. You different.

[Ish]

Your love is different.

[Joe Budden]

Mind your business. We've been around. Yeah, we ain't talking to you. We talking to J1 and ish.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't even know what you niggas is talking.

[Ish]

Y'all niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Jwon did an interview where he interviewed his dad.

[Ish]

Fire.

[Parks]

He's fire.

[Joe Budden]

He could not stop showing his teeth. The whole time I was high, like, with every. With every story Kiss told J1. Even the Diddy store, Yo, I was at the puff party. J1 looking up just like a proud son. Yeah, Teeth wouldn't stop showing. Mad. You had dimples.

[Ish]

Yeah, you had dimples in your face. You ain't look hard at me, nigga. You look like a papa student.

[Joe Budden]

You look like, yo, I love my dad so much, and he just wasn't around for me.

[Ish]

Yeah, he wasn't around anyone.

[Joe Budden]

Had more kids that he fucking held down.

[Ish]

Like, then he said that powerful line.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, and then he was about to cry. You tried to. You tried to hit him. No, not you. Well, yeah, you. When you tried to hit him. No, not you.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you. You tried to hit him with the trick question, but kids from the old school, yo, what's your greatest gift? And Kiss said, you, you, nigga, if you don't get the fuck out of here with this trick annoying ass question, you now. I love you, yo. God damn. I know you mad about some shit.

[Ish]

Stop it.

[Corey]

No, we did not.

[Melissa Ford]

We didn't.

[Corey]

They had them already.

[Joe Budden]

Don't interrupt with the truth.

[Ish]

You didn't. Yeah, we don't give a fuck about.

[Corey]

We going with the lies.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

And on top of that, you ain't know. On top of that, you ain't know he was gonna say that that shit hit you.

[Joe Budden]

Did you know. Did you know that you was his greatest gift?

[Corey]

No, I thought he was gonna say something else.

[Ish]

Exactly. N. We know that. Cause we saw you, yo, clap it.

[Joe Budden]

Up for Jay Juan being Jay the gift.

[Ish]

When we said that the titty party shit, though.

[Corey]

I expected that. I started dying. I couldn't help that one.

[Ish]

When he said that J1, it looked like it was Christmas time for you, N. You know, when you a kid and you get that big gift, you just look happy. That shit made me feel good.

[Melissa Ford]

That was the big boss.

[Ish]

I'm like, yeah, Jay. Mommy. Ish.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if you.

[Corey]

I know I was the favorite. The favorite child that everybody said, but.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't even talking about the kids. I don't know if you a greater gift than his rapping ability.

[Ish]

Look, listen to this nigga.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what you would have said.

[Corey]

What's your greatest gift?

[Melissa Ford]

That's what you would have said.

[Ish]

How you gonna tell n son that?

[Melissa Ford]

No, that's what he would have said, y'all. What's your greatest gift?

[Corey]

So what's your greatest gift?

[Joe Budden]

My children. And when you have kids, you'll understand that. This dad answers. When I ask my mom who her favorite kid is, she say, you for six months. And you for six months.

[Corey]

Yeah, my mom's.

[Joe Budden]

That's just. That's the appropriate parent answer. But in real life, they got a head.

[Melissa Ford]

Whoever needs my love at that time.

[Corey]

I hate that.

[Ish]

You got to remember, he got to say his children. Because first of all, Trey listen. And Trey has a history of dissing the nigga on record. Hey, yo, pops.

[Melissa Ford]

Annie getting nice with.

[Ish]

Nicer with the pen.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's not fair. I started dissing him on records first. And his mama. That's fair.

[Ish]

I didn't know that joke.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. So I think that he should be able to clap back, shout out to J. I like. Cause some of my haters be, oh, his son's been dissing him forever. Whoa, whoa, whoa. My son got the clap back gene in him like his dad, and I'm proud of that.

[Ish]

Facts.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, facts. Facts.

[Joe Budden]

It's fucked up when you writing those songs about their parent. Like when they grow up and get to hear the songs. Yeah, but now you know what's going on now. Yeah, you know, you 23. You know what time it is. You in the game. You being targeted. You being targeted out there. You having your woman woes. I love when they experience what we experience. Oh, yes.

[Corey]

What?

[Joe Budden]

That's bad?

[Ish]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, man.

[Jwan]

Why is that bad?

[Corey]

Because.

[Melissa Ford]

Thanks, Mel, you back.

[Corey]

Give us some game. I remember that happened to me, my relationship in college. I had my pops, like, on some Trey Joe shit. Like, yo, bro, why you ain't telling me shit? Get like that, nigga. Ain't even respond. I said, wow, okay, cool.

[Jwan]

I mean, I feel like there's information that you can pass down to your kids, but then there's other things that they just have to experience, you know, bumping their heads up on the wall.

[Melissa Ford]

They ain't gonna listen to you anyway.

[Jwan]

Until they go through.

[Ish]

Since we told my dad, I'm gonna ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

You love your dad, too?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, who said I.

[Ish]

Did you ever have. Did you ever have a conversation with your dad? Like, you ever. Were you one of them that.

[Melissa Ford]

My father before?

[Ish]

Yeah, but as a grown man.

[Melissa Ford]

You said I lived with my father as a grown up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Did you have a conversation with him? Like, yo, nigga, what's up? Like, did you. Were you one of them that. Were you, like, what happened? What went wrong? Or you just left it as it is and you lived in the moment?

[Joe Budden]

I ain't really go through all that because he was.

[Ish]

You didn't do that. You didn't go back. Oh, you lived in the moment.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

I like that.

[Joe Budden]

He was short.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I wasn't.

[Ish]

That might be a short.

[Joe Budden]

But you said that you was 5:1 until you caught your growth spurt.

[Melissa Ford]

I was 5:3 in 12th grade.

[Joe Budden]

That's very.

[Melissa Ford]

When I lived with my father, I was grown.

[Joe Budden]

That's not. That's not tall enough to buck.

[Corey]

Who is that height in your graduation picture?

[Joe Budden]

You think. You think 5:3 is tall enough to bucket your dad?

[Ish]

For real?

[Corey]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Come on, man. When I'm.

[Ish]

That's like your daughter height, but this nigga you. So you know.

[Joe Budden]

Why you quiet?

[Ish]

You know what it is? You so macho that nigga. You even have a conversation with your pops at a moment of vulnerability. Nigga, that's how macho you are. Let's live in the moment, nigga. Go cook. I'm gonna cook some food. I just got shot, Pops. I don't want to talk about none of that emotional shit. Nigga, let's live and have fun. Did he check on you like, yo, you there. You know when nigga come in from work, knock on the door of you in your room?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I was 20 something years old, my nigga. What that means my door shut. I'm there. What you talking? Like, are you there?

[Corey]

No, n. Go sleep.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm good.

[Corey]

That don't mean you did.

[Jwan]

Are you feeling. Are you talking about when he got shot?

[Ish]

No, I'm just saying, like, usually, even as an adult, if you live with my experience, if you live with your parent, your parent will come when they Come in the house. They'll check on you. Yo, what's up?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you there?

[Ish]

You in the room and shit like that? That's why I'm asking him if he experienced that.

[Joe Budden]

He said his dad's door was closed.

[Melissa Ford]

No, my door was closed. If my door closed. Nigga, I'm asleep.

[Joe Budden]

Did you knock?

[Melissa Ford]

On what?

[Joe Budden]

On your dad's door.

[Ish]

Stop, stop. You get tight? Stop. I'm not going to get tight, Society.

[Joe Budden]

Because him and J1 want to see it with the truth today. I don't care about what they talk. I care about Daddy.

[Ish]

Are you there?

[Joe Budden]

Dad?

[Ish]

I got shot, dad.

[Joe Budden]

What the do I do?

[Ish]

What do I do? I'm bleeding out. You police tell me what to do. I can't snitch, but you can tell.

[Joe Budden]

Them niggas he made a left. He made a left and right.

[Melissa Ford]

I can't snitch, but you can tell him.

[Ish]

Nigga, your pop. Your pop.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, we doing it for the dad. Oh. Oh, my bad. You too. You love your dad. Shout him out.

[Jwan]

Yes, of course I love my father.

[Ish]

Her father passed away at a young age. When she was young, though, she still.

[Joe Budden]

Got a rep. What that mean?

[Melissa Ford]

No, she got a rep. She said it was her hair wrong, Cole.

[Ish]

She said that? Until she learned some things, she said.

[Jwan]

Yes, but I still love the memory of the man. Very much so.

[Joe Budden]

We can't play with it.

[Ish]

Shout out for you standing here.

[Joe Budden]

Leave it alone. Let's bring a joke back. That way you go already here, right? Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Anyway, back to you, Ish. All right, all right. Glad y'all in a good mood. Brother Freeze is not with us today, but he's here in spirit, always. Hopefully. He's good. Ice, we love you. If you're listening. Yo, Max.

[Ish]

Just that fast. You heard?

[Joe Budden]

It was sweat. She's about to cry with us.

[Jwan]

I wasn't gonna cry.

[Joe Budden]

She's about to cry with us like we was Poor Minds.

[Jwan]

I swear I wasn't gonna call.

[Ish]

She cried on the show.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she cried. Poor Minds. Yes, she cried on Poor Minds. Shout out to Lex. Shout out to Drea. Lex, Dre.

[Ish]

What up, babies?

[Jwan]

We were all crying, okay? We were all crying.

[Ish]

Based off your story.

[Jwan]

Well, no shared experiences.

[Parks]

Mel, you were doing some sad parting related.

[Ish]

Let me just say this.

[Jwan]

And I love you, Corey.

[Ish]

Let me say, if Hot and Bothered is going to be like that, count me out. Please don't cry. I want to come up there. I want to.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Jwan]

And guess what. And guess what. When wifey starts going through menopause and you don't know what the fuck is going on. Are you going to be checking?

[Ish]

My mother called me this morning about you. I'm going need you. I'm going to come up there.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody cares about when wifey is going through.

[Ish]

We are financially manipulating our wives. You think niggas can. They got to worry about their bills being paid to try to get jobs and MTAs and whatever they got in Houston.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm sick of that line. Would you like it if I did the same? That's just a do it then. Why? I don't want to do it. What the fuck you talking to me about?

[Melissa Ford]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if.

[Joe Budden]

You was paying all my bills.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm good.

[Ish]

Do your thing.

[Joe Budden]

That was ish. That was ish everything.

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead, rock out.

[Ish]

That paying all your bills come with some stipulations and people don't want to accept it. Dude, it's rules. It's rules. If I'm paying 15,000amonth in bills for you, nigga, there's rules, nigga. I want shit at the drop of a dime, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Come.

[Ish]

If I say book a flight, you have to come. Cause that money can go to something else.

[Melissa Ford]

Martha.

[Joe Budden]

Hello.

[Ish]

Z here. Like for real.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, yo. You know what? That is an important note to highlight and I'm glad that I didn't highlight it.

[Ish]

This proof of fee. Financially? Depends.

[Joe Budden]

Badass. If your bills are being paid to the degree of all of them. 10, 15, 20 grand a month.

[Ish]

Yes. Talk about a joke.

[Joe Budden]

There is fine print on that contract. There is. You need to take that to your attorney or your girl girlfriend.

[Corey]

Who don't got that.

[Joe Budden]

True. Yeah. And. And get it together now. We can't say that somehow. Because feminine is feminine. I can't even say the word. What's the word? Feminism.

[Jwan]

Feminism.

[Joe Budden]

Feminine Femininity.

[Corey]

Femininity.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid ass word.

[Parks]

It's got stutter built in.

[Ish]

He's right.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, man.

[Ish]

He's right, Mel, man, you know he's right, man. When a nigga paid your bills, you almost went into a cult. N A, you was down, nigga. When a nigga paid your bills, you was down with the cause. Need to follow your rules, follow your movement. Give me pounds.

[Joe Budden]

Mel was definitely.

[Parks]

I can see it.

[Joe Budden]

She was in a cult.

[Ish]

She was in a cult. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Now she come up here, we'll talk about. And Quincy is the king. Quincy is the king.

[Melissa Ford]

Christ the Lord.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You want to come up here and talk about menopause?

[Ish]

A preacher in the house. She was in.

[Joe Budden]

We don't want to hear about menopause. We want to hear about the sex cult.

[Ish]

We want to hear about that when.

[Joe Budden]

You was in the mountains of Utah.

[Jwan]

Another day, another story for another day.

[Ish]

She would never tell. That's why love you.

[Joe Budden]

That's why she the best.

[Ish]

That's why she can make a U turn.

[Joe Budden]

That's why she's the best.

[Ish]

A lot of women can't u turn like male unless they're. I can't say that part. But Mel make u turn because she hold it down like when they bump into her, like, oh, you ain't. You ain't blow me up about that cult shit. You know, I was wilding. Even when I press, the nigga say.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I love her.

[Ish]

I said, damn, she cool like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y'all keep making me lose my face, my boy. You held it down about that cult shit.

[Jwan]

I be holding it down on some fucked up shit.

[Joe Budden]

You do matter.

[Ish]

You do.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, shout out to the women out there that hold it down about the coach.

[Ish]

But the other women get offended when.

[Joe Budden]

We say that because you're not supposed to say that.

[Ish]

Yeah, they saying that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you're not supposed to say that. That's horrible. Yeah, Mel isn't jwan, boy.

[Ish]

He's still about to cry that patriarch him up. Remember? What nigga went to the bathroom. That's the first time he went to the bathroom.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we got a great show lined up for y'all. Maybe, maybe. Oh, oops.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, I can hold up. That's Randy come out the pawn shop without his chains and his watches. Oh, he doesn't sold them shits.

[Ish]

He's broke. He's popped again.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, Brokey.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, Randy.

[Melissa Ford]

What's up? What up, y'all? Yo, what happened, Mr. Money Man? You coming to Oscar Stone?

[Joe Budden]

Pay me now.

[Melissa Ford]

We change that blood.

[Flip]

I just had them hold it for.

[Ish]

Me for a second. Hold it, hold it, bro.

[Joe Budden]

What you mean you let them have it?

[Melissa Ford]

Cause you broke now. Now you can't flex right?

[Ish]

I needed some extra cash.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, hell, I just made a quick 30 bands, bro.

[Joe Budden]

30 bands?

[Ish]

Like it's worth it.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah, gang, I just clock your T. You really pop right now. We was waiting for this. Y'all was waiting for me to go broke?

[Ish]

Yeah, we was.

[Melissa Ford]

You stay showing off the stay gravitating towards you now.

[Ish]

They're not going to come around you no more. Nothing but Y my means.

[Joe Budden]

I pray you run through them 30 bands mad quick.

[Melissa Ford]

And I'm not letting you borrow nothing, bro.

[Joe Budden]

It's going to be a cold winter.

[Ish]

Yo, yo, yo, what the popping, man? It's the drama king, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, who there?

[Ish]

That's the sound of the man.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace, M 1, 2, 1 2, 1, 2 waking up out there.

[Ish]

Waking up out there we was taught not to say who shot you? Flash burning I got you if you.

[Melissa Ford]

Care for me cause I'm on the.

[Ish]

Edge I'm f to put a shell in a rock a lot of ice I dare you to scheme on it the fifth got a rubber grip and a beam on it? Homie that took the hit on me couldn't shoot they say I'm skinny now.

[Joe Budden]

But I look big in the cool.

[Ish]

My cousin uzi out in la.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Ish]

Write my lifestyle y'all is cheaters your lines come from feds, fellas and dogs.

[Joe Budden]

Hold you the black hand of death.

[Ish]

Then why your name ain't preaching?

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the mixtape always, always.

[Ish]

Always you want a ball like Kirk? Always for the ladies, always for the ladies. I'm familiar with problems, I know how to solve them. Semi automatic on your trade, revolve them, shoot them up. Problem in the hood, you starving, you.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T want problems problem solving.

[Ish]

And why can't you do man enough.

[Jwan]

To tell me where?

[Ish]

Already told me you paying to run with him. I could let a New York knife poke him with one of my throwaways, but I don't want to see no cops smoke them. Somebody tell Paul be riding, get ready to auction off the car you dying.

[Corey]

Whenever we bump head.

[Ish]

Since you like having people with you, get you a hospital with bone beds without Dr. Dre, you would just make slow jams.

[Corey]

Come up out of that witness protection program.

[Ish]

Oh, don't really respect you getting your place. If Big was alive, he'd have probably spit in your face now. I've been doing just fine without you. Pac probably would have made an album about you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So I guess that just leaves me here to get rid of you and rock him and them, they don't even consider you. You ain't got nothing for Jada. And I know he apprec all the money you made them. It's 2005. Nobody fights fair. I just know an instrumental is your worst nightmare. But you tough and you bad. Too bad you mad. Probably been in your old hood more than you have. Yeah, you sold more records than me. But in the streets, you gonna always.

[Joe Budden]

Be second to me.

[Ish]

When you was damn near feeling you even know your career is based off somebody damn near killing you. Shit you be doing ain't even considered rapping to us. Nah, this is probably the best thing to happen to us. The best wankster, Internet, gangster magazine mobs on your whole roster. Get ready to say Hail Mary's and our fathers. Get out your black suits and hard bottoms and don't worry, I got them. We ain't a problem child, just a child with a problem.

[Corey]

Raps, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Feeling good, feeling great. Feeling good, feeling great. Huh?

[Corey]

What trick at that?

[Joe Budden]

She's in a good mood. I'm in a good mood. Good vibes. Positivity throughout.

[Corey]

That's real violent music for a bright ass house.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, I know and I know they cost some money.

[Corey]

A look like a thousand dollar fresh.

[Melissa Ford]

Prince that look like an ice cream cold.

[Ish]

Gender reveal ready?

[Joe Budden]

Gender reveal ready?

[Ish]

We do n. Yeah, he look like.

[Joe Budden]

Is it a boy or girl? Both.

[Ish]

Wait, it's twins. You hop out of cake. You lit 500,000.

[Joe Budden]

Microphone check. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. What episode is this?

[Parks]

7:70.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 770 of the JOE Budden Podcast, brought to you by Fueled by power by prize picks. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful and highly favored host, Joe Budden, with some really amazing people. To my right. Big Melissa Ford is in the building. Queens Flip is in the building. Ish is in the building. Jwan is in the building. Parks is in the building. Poe is in the building. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Savon and Tana are here by remote. And last, but certainly not least, each and every, every one of you are out there. Now back to my agenda reveal. Al, I wore this to Daisy age or your day. I wore this to Girls love karaoke the other night I heard you.

[Corey]

I heard you dress like a little nice pajama setup.

[Melissa Ford]

Heard you was in there and I heard it was all right.

[Corey]

That's definitely.

[Joe Budden]

Tough crowd.

[Melissa Ford]

Tough crowd. Socks.

[Parks]

How was the karaoke? What'd you sing?

[Joe Budden]

Girls love karaoke. Shout to Manny. Of course. Shout to Ag finesse. Girls love karaoke. Was nice. Hey, hey. And they do.

[Parks]

They do.

[Joe Budden]

They absolutely do. And they do.

[Parks]

They do.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah, it was a real good time over there. I got there early. I got there at about, I want to say, 10, 10:30. My guy Monty met me over there. Shout out to E. Oh, y'all did a duet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice crowd, nice crowd on the early vibe. Shout to. Damn. Who What? Who's the DJ killing that shit? Who was that? First class.

[Melissa Ford]

First choice, I think.

[Joe Budden]

First choice. First choice. First class. I'm old school. Shout out to first choice he was. Absolutely. And shout out to first class. But he was smoking. You know, people are still coming in. R B set. Like a real R and B party set, right? So I was in absolute heaven for a few hours. A lot of girls kept coming in here. But then.

[Corey]

Did you cut a rug?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't. No, I didn't cut a rug. I sat there like the G that I be. Did you sing?

[Melissa Ford]

Nah.

[Joe Budden]

And no, I left before anybody started singing.

[Parks]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

I was sitting there and I hadn't taken the old nigga nap.

[Corey]

Start yawning.

[Joe Budden]

I hadn't taken a nap.

[Parks]

You guys, why don't you just go hit the.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, 44 is fucking me up. Why don't you just go hit the.

[Parks]

Truck for a little quick 30?

[Corey]

Yeah, it ain't the same.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you right. I don't have to live like that. Go in the truck, take a nap, and then go back out. Like, I'm never that thirsty for the party. So I'm sitting there, I'm getting tired. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm sitting there battling the discipline to eat after 10pm, 11pm So I left. I went home, went to bed. Didn't hit a strip club. Didn't see Bernice sing. Didn't see nobody sing a thing.

[Parks]

Damn.

[Jwan]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

See, was there when Teyana came in. Shout out to Teyana Taylor. It was good crowd in there. Good vibe Davies, everybody. But, yeah, I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed. I see. That's one of them things I gotta come to at midnight, probably. Yeah, I gotta. Yeah, I gotta come here late.

[Parks]

Yes. New York.

[Joe Budden]

But really good. Really good crowd in there. Oh, just real nice time.

[Melissa Ford]

Look like it.

[Joe Budden]

Real nice time. Real nice time in there.

[Jwan]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Nice.

[Jwan]

It looked like it.

[Joe Budden]

Why you keep making that little stupid face?

[Melissa Ford]

No, just. It looked like it.

[Joe Budden]

You to have fun.

[Melissa Ford]

No, a couple people hit me. Was like, y'all seen Joe come in while you wasn't with Joe? I was like, oh, was that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. No, no, no. I saw just. Did you tell him you don't be with Joe? Like, why?

[Jwan]

People, it was at the day that you went to the game with Mark.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Corey]

Floor seat.

[Jwan]

I thought that that was AI. The picture that was floating around.

[Melissa Ford]

Antoine ish.

[Corey]

That was me.

[Melissa Ford]

Anyway.

[Corey]

That was me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he might be a rapper. Antoine ish is AI in initials when you break it down. No, for real. So why are you gonna let her get that shot?

[Ish]

Let me ask you a question. How did that. How did that. How did that happen?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

How did you end up.

[Corey]

The basketball, D. Yeah, yeah, the basketball.

[Ish]

The bromance. The bro vision. How did it happen?

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing. Mark hit me. He was like, yo, what you doing? I'm like, shit, what's going on? He said, yo, I got tickets to the game. You want to go to the game? I was like, who they playing? He said, the Bucs. I'm like, hell, yeah. So.

[Ish]

So you drove down there?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So you went to the game, but you spilled coffee on my clothes in your car when you dropped me off. And you supposed to put my shit in the cleaners. You didn't. But you on the floor at a.

[Joe Budden]

Game, nigga, I got you on espn.

[Ish]

On espn. Hey, you look good.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Ish]

I didn't like that. Sh. Don't thank me. N. I wasn't happy. I'm trying to look at these two stupid niggas. I was hating on y'all niggas. Look at these fools. Nigga, they sent me the picture. I'm like, oh, come on. Ish. You didn't even invite nobody neither.

[Jwan]

Well, he was the best one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I was about to say I'm gonna invite somebody. That some shit.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting invited.

[Ish]

That's the problem. Everybody invites you places, but you don't invite anybody. It's a paddle pattern. That's your bag. That's how you get away with. You're always invited. Why you didn't invite me? I'm a plus one. That's. You missed a plus one.

[Melissa Ford]

There you go.

[Ish]

No, make me your plus one. All right. You ashamed of us?

[Melissa Ford]

Make me your plus one.

[Ish]

You missed it. But that's.

[Melissa Ford]

I got you.

[Ish]

And it speaks volumes that people prefer you to be there. Plus one.

[Melissa Ford]

I appreciate that.

[Ish]

I know what you do. You do that stupid lip trick.

[Parks]

You do that on the Corsa.

[Ish]

Yeah, he did that on the Corsa.

[Joe Budden]

Sitting there, talking a hole in Marc Lamont.

[Parks]

Y'all had a super bromance after.

[Ish]

That's what I said.

[Parks]

Y'all were really twitted.

[Ish]

They bonded.

[Melissa Ford]

That's stupid, yo. No, the game was a runaway. It wasn't really close. So we were just kicking it like the game wasn't, like. Wasn't fun.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I'm saying? Cause it wasn't close. They was losing by damn near 20. Half the game.

[Ish]

You talking about Philly was losing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Corey]

What do you talk about at a game like that?

[Parks]

They were pod.

[Melissa Ford]

Really basketball shit for the most part.

[Ish]

On the court while a game is going on. What you analyzing?

[Melissa Ford]

That's literally what was going on.

[Joe Budden]

Like that.

[Melissa Ford]

Nigga, not that good.

[Joe Budden]

You overrated.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, stop talking.

[Corey]

Saying A in the league is overrated or not that good.

[Joe Budden]

Watch the game. Catch a vibe. Courtside, look cool.

[Ish]

That's hate.

[Joe Budden]

Joe. Leave that. Why you can.

[Ish]

I hate on him, too. I hate him, too.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, just look cool. The camera's just about to pan you.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't even know the game was on ESPN or none of that. I didn't know that.

[Corey]

Superstar. Ish.

[Joe Budden]

Did you know it was the season opener?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, but I didn't know that. I mean, well, Philly Bucks, two of the biggest teams. Yeah, Philly Bucks would be televised, but I wasn't thinking about that.

[Joe Budden]

Did you see Stephen A. Right there?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I ain't saying, but it's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid.

[Corey]

Did Stephen A. See you?

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know Stephen A. Was there.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know, nigga. I see your game, nigga. You think I seen you on my tv. I don't know, nigga. I seen you on Reddit. Seen you on Reddit, nigga. See you on my tv.

[Melissa Ford]

Stay off the Internet, yo. See, you are real.

[Joe Budden]

You're looking good, though. You look good up there. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

[Jwan]

You run into a lot of fans?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, a couple. Couple?

[Jwan]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Philly is.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know you and Mark was that close.

[Melissa Ford]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, when y'all exchange numbers? When y'all exchange phone numbers?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, dog, what's wrong with you, son?

[Ish]

It's a valid question.

[Joe Budden]

Why is it valid? Cause Joe said it.

[Corey]

That conversation look deep as hell.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Cause the only reason we didn't congratulate you when he announced you on the POD was it wasn't personal.

[Joe Budden]

That is what he was. Yo N stupid. You really a great. You great help to all of camera.

[Corey]

Don't argue with the community. They just going to hate you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, give them some POD tips while the game is on.

[Corey]

The game is playing, bro.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't know we was on tv.

[Ish]

He didn't stay for Patreon, so we don't know when the numbers switch. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna get down to the bottom of this. That little bromance.

[Joe Budden]

I told y'all. I thought told y'all. Oh, and Mark is here on Wednesdays. One day off for everybody.

[Ish]

Wednesday per month.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, Tuesdays.

[Melissa Ford]

Tuesdays, but, yeah, that's it.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing to figure out. Nothing figure out. No, everything is cool.

[Ish]

I'm good. I got three days off. I'm high. I'm high. Look like, she don't like that. Hey, yo, your girl.

[Jwan]

What did I do now?

[Ish]

You know what you did.

[Jwan]

I swear I don't.

[Ish]

You texted me. You tried to press me this week.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm done with y'all. I'm done. I'm done with Charles.

[Ish]

Got it. No, it's nothing bad. Nothing bad.

[Joe Budden]

Got you.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's all love.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Ish]

No, it's all love.

[Joe Budden]

And then I went to speak at the Steve Stout the other day that.

[Melissa Ford]

Saw you up there shining.

[Joe Budden]

You mean shining.

[Melissa Ford]

That.

[Joe Budden]

The lights was bright.

[Jwan]

Oh, he had it all out.

[Joe Budden]

What? What?

[Melissa Ford]

Like. Like titties.

[Joe Budden]

Line.

[Corey]

You would have ring.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he wore the ring. He pulled the sleeve so they could see the. You know. Cause you know, I got brain, you know, I got my gut.

[Joe Budden]

My gut.

[Melissa Ford]

Tell me what to do.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Melissa Ford]

I'm be in these rooms, and the money, you know what I'm saying? Be all over. I heard your corny joke. It be all over the place. You know my gut, you know, I gotta rule with the gut. I come from the outside of the.

[Joe Budden]

Streets watching my clip. You watching my clip from the Garden? I had a good time. I don't normally speak at those. On those types of panels and things of that nature, but Steve called his favorin'at a good time. That's my man. I showed up, no doubt, had a good time. A lot of people there.

[Melissa Ford]

Was it just you and Steve on the panel or.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was just him and I that spoke at that time.

[Melissa Ford]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

I think he spoke to 50. I think he spoke to cam.

[Parks]

I saw a cam clip too.

[Joe Budden]

I think I saw a cam clip. I saw a 50 clip, but. And the ride into Brooklyn wasn't so bad. It was an hour, but it was an hour in motion.

[Parks]

You took that scenic route that we was talking about at the party.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was in Brooklyn.

[Corey]

It was at the office.

[Joe Budden]

It was in Brooklyn. I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

Whose office.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I get the address, I give it to the driver, I go. But it was no traffic. But it was no traffic, Rich. So that was smooth. Dumb of us. Yeah, stupid us. And I went to the black owned restaurant over here that Mel gave the review one.

[Melissa Ford]

Which one?

[Joe Budden]

On that other pod. I'm not. Won't say, but the one that Mel spoke about, she went to.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Good.

[Joe Budden]

And that was cool. Yeah, that was real nice, too. Nice. Yeah, some paella was good.

[Parks]

Oh, that was that big ass pa. Yes, that was huge pause.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was good, though.

[Ish]

Did you Bump into anybody at the Steve St. Event?

[Melissa Ford]

No, it was crowded.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was A lot of people in here, Patrick. How would I bump into somebody? I don't. I don't do communal green rooms.

[Ish]

I thought you did. I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Those dicks. Never that.

[Corey]

Peasantry firm.

[Joe Budden]

Communal green room. Think that's how I got punched in the face. Communal green. Anybody just walk in the door. Hey, there you go. There you go.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, you ain't saying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I ain't. Communal green room is exactly where they want to come. Talk about what I said on the pod. Never that. No, but good times. Shout out to Steve Stout, man. Fun, fun, fun. All right, let's get right to it. Let's get right to it. Where would you guys like to begin? Dirk.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so we start with Dirk. The Fed snatched dirt Dirk. Or the marshal. The U.S. marshals. Yeah.

[Ish]

And snatched in Broward County.

[Joe Budden]

Dirk. That's Florida, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Broward County.

[Ish]

Broward, yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all know any holes from over there?

[Melissa Ford]

Probably.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all definitely know some Broward county homes? For sure. Possibly. They need a segment on the Patreon. Shout out to y'all out there in Broward County. Yeah. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Special.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Better than D. Dade different from Dade. Different from day. What.

[Melissa Ford]

What cities are in Broward?

[Parks]

It's all Miami, I think.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, is it? That's the.

[Corey]

Wait that. Like the south end of it.

[Melissa Ford]

I. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

It's a way. Yeah.

[Corey]

That's where Kodak from.

[Joe Budden]

It's down.

[Ish]

Exactly. So it makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

Just say Kodak. Exactly. This is down. It's down there. But anyway, so they snatched him in Florida along with five other people from Chicago. Yes. That are from Chicago. And this is murder for hire.

[Parks]

This is sad.

[Melissa Ford]

That's his charge.

[Parks]

So I guess that's allegations.

[Melissa Ford]

Supposedly he organized a hit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. On. And they're saying that this goes back to when King Von lost his life.

[Melissa Ford]

Was killed one of Quando Rondo's people.

[Joe Budden]

And in the car. Yeah. Quando Rondo's man died with him in la.

[Corey]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

During that shootout. So they. The feds are saying that plane tickets and rental cars or whatever were purchased and rented through OTF cards. And they saying they have more information about who paid for this murder fire. But they haven't released that yet. All signs are pointing to. They're going to try to pin this on dirt. That's what I got for you. If that's blurry, then Google it. I'm not here to be a journalist. I'm here to talk about the Real aspect of it, which is just what the fuck, what the fuck?

[Ish]

I feel like, you know, with respect to Dirk, I feel like he knew something was coming because, you know, during his birthday he paid homage to all the fallen soldiers in Chicago. I mean, he's been trying to really change up the image and the whole Chicago drill, dissing opps. You know, he put everybody on the screen on his birthday. He did a birthday concert in Chicago. And even the people, I mean, everybody was on that picture.

[Melissa Ford]

He had the opps up there.

[Ish]

Yeah, everybody just paying respects to all the fallen soldiers. And in retrospect, when I think about it, it's like I felt like he knew something was coming and he just wanted to distance himself from that. Whether they were investigating, whether he got wind that they were looking into things. Just think he wanted to move himself from that and portray a cleaner image or he probably felt that inside. He probably felt inside that it's time for me to get away from that because too many people are dying. Cause Dirk been through a lot.

[Melissa Ford]

I think it could be true what you're saying. I think also when you get removed from the jungle, you know what I'm saying? Like you lose some of that and then, you know, when you start getting a certain type of paper. Cause I'm sure he's far removed from the hustling, hustling days, you know what I'm saying? And then you start surrounding yourself with some more positive people. I'm sure some of the OGs talking to them, you know what I'm saying? You start seeing that this shit is self destructive for us as a people, you know what I mean? So you start trying to pivot away from that and kind of you owe it to yourself to, to instill some shit in some younger people, you know what I'm saying? So they don't make the same mistakes you made. So I think that's where he, like I've heard him talk a couple times. That's the type of time he was on.

[Ish]

Supposedly he lost a lot of people in his life.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The unfortunate thing is when you're around these people, I've been around him a lot of times, he's a nice guy. And sometimes our environment makes us, you know, who we are.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Ish]

Right? Our environment and trying to get away from that. You'd be surprised how these people who lose so much people and seen so much in their life, when you just have a conversation, they just like you and I, you know, I mean, and sometimes environment, circumstances and the jungle, you're in the jungle, make you who you are.

[Melissa Ford]

You're gonna be a wolf, you're gonna be a lion to survive in the jungle. But once you removed, you might become a.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Melissa Ford]

Just a regular standup citizen. I think that they might. A lot of us, you know what I'm saying? Kids grew up in a city like that on some survival instinctive shit. And then when you get removed, you change your tongue.

[Ish]

And it's hard to talk about. For me, it's just hard to talk about these things. But it's not hard even if you have a relationship, because you don't know who you're affecting on the other side. So you have to be mindful in when people have accusations against them and how you speak about them. I can speak from personal relationships, but I don't want to take away from anyone who may have suffered or feel that they allegedly suffered from the situation.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm tired of seeing up and coming rappers either lose their lives or get incarcerated to shit like this. And I'm tired of seeing all the. I saw J1 tweeting earlier and I see people responding to it and it's like, why does everyone know so much about it? About it?

[Corey]

And that was one thing like.

[Parks]

Like, this should not be happening.

[Joe Budden]

A.

[Parks]

And if it is happening, it shouldn't be public information on the Internet that everybody's talking about. Like SportsCenter. It's weird.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Corey]

That's the part of it I don't like. Like, there's no reason we should know so much before the case is even over. Even with it being public and people making whole videos, it makes it like it's in the name of content. I don't think problems like this should be made in the main in the name of content. Like, you feel me? Like, that's almost cop work. That's like, we. We all come from where we come from. We see saying, yo, bro, all right, we ain't talking about that right now. You feel me? Wait till it happened, then we talk about it. But you got poindexters and nerds on social media just talking about it from a standpoint. And then you got people who's. Who's just looking at it like, fuck him. Throw away the key. And some people may feel like that, but then it's also looking at it from the standpoint of like, he's lost people, they've lost people to just think, now they got the money. Forget all about is like. It takes the human side out of it. Like, money Isn't gonna make somebody forget about all the friends and family members they lost and no longer grieve. You can't tell a person how to grieve just because they got money.

[Joe Budden]

Mel.

[Jwan]

What?

[Ish]

She on your timing. She be outside. She trying to say hi.

[Jwan]

I'm not outside. I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

I was just asking what you thought of everything.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corey]

I'm with yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

You think about Ariana Grande.

[Jwan]

I'm not thinking about Ariana Grande. I'm not thinking about Ariana Grande. I'm thinking that you guys hit the nail on the head. Parks observation. And jwan's observation is correct. Like the fact that this is fodder for everybody to talk about before all the facts are out. It's just. This isn't. We have created this atmosphere in which content is everything and it really actually isn't because so many of the facts get mixed mixed up in fiction and it just kind of dilutes the whole situation. So that's just my perspective.

[Ish]

It's by design though, right? Like we have to acknowledge that facts. It's by design. These drama filled crimes.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Freeze. I'mma kill you, boy.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Freeze. When you make it to work, I'mma kick your ass. I got a trick for these. No.

[Jwan]

Oh, those are nice.

[Joe Budden]

Oh my God. Okay, okay, okay. So what y'all was saying? We praying for Dirk and it must be hard to come from where he come from. What you say? What y'all was saying?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, all that.

[Ish]

We said all that right there. Said it's by design.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Okay, next. Stop it.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't have an opinion?

[Joe Budden]

I have quite a few opinions, but I don't know if this is the room for them now that I've heard y'all. Maybe y'all are right.

[Ish]

No, no, wait, hold on. No, you can't. You can't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cuz that say something crazy. Still follow you.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think nobody said nothing crazy.

[Ish]

I know, I'm just saying you might.

[Melissa Ford]

Just different opinions saying.

[Ish]

I'm threatening to say something crazy. That's what I'm saying. I'm just bothering him. But I want to hear your.

[Joe Budden]

I think this is stupid. I think this is stupid. And I'm not going to sit here and oh, Dirk came from where he came from. He'll have his day. He'll have his day in court. So we'll see what part he has played in any of this. But that to the side. Like I was telling J1 earlier, King Vaughn and.

[Corey]

Young boy, young boy.

[Joe Budden]

Beef wasn't over nothing. It wasn't over absolutely nothing. So it start there for me. I ain't gotta get into where everybody came from and what we seen and what we witnessed and who shot and who got killed. Y'all niggas don't be fighting over nothing. That was nothing. So now for that to escalate to the shit we witnessed in the parking lot with Vaughn, and it was gonna be carryover from that. We saw Quando Rondo reach out to fucking. What's that? Big you, Big you. We just seen him. We seen him for a few years, look afraid for his life. We've seen this all. So, I mean, I don't want to add we know too much. These niggas is putting it in songs. These niggas is putting it on Instagram reels. These niggas are detailing and laying these things out. And the cops always been online since online, been there.

[Ish]

True.

[Joe Budden]

They watching like niggas at some point have to hold themselves accountable for the part they play in a designed ecosystem. I agree with that. That's what I'm saying. So this is real unfortunate. And these are some of the same details that came up in the YSL case. And these are some of the. Listen, the Rico lady down there said, yo, we coming with Rico's now. Like, if that didn't send the memo to people, hey, we are aggressively targeting y'all entertainers and rappers that are blurring the lines with your companies and your street ties.

[Corey]

I'm on the other edge of this.

[Joe Budden]

Have at it.

[Corey]

And the only reason I'm mad, I.

[Joe Budden]

Even gotta come in here and talk about some of this shit.

[Corey]

But the only reason I'm on the other edge of this is because we seen, like, from the older artists, right? And we seen and experienced, oh, them, they not like that. They're not like that. You feel me? We always hear this. That artist not like that. They not on that. Now, you see in a generation where artists are actually doing the things they saying. And it's like, now you have the old artists saying, oh, them niggas are stupid. But for years, we heard y'all calling each other out, saying, oh, he ain't knowing that. He ain't like that. And there's no guidance. There's no, yo, don't do it that way. Let me show you how to do it. The only person who tried to do that is Wallow. And he was not even able to give guidance because. Because he's in a position now where he can Tell you where everything already started. There was no artist that took none of the younger artists from when they came in and was like, yo, hold on. I've been down that road. Let me guide you and show you how to switch it around. And that's why I have a disdain for. I would say some of the older artists or the people on social media judging how everything's playing out. Because you gotta remember we all around the same age. At least me and these are. There's no, yo, little bro, this ain't how you do that. Like, you feel me? They wait till it happened and then chastise us.

[Ish]

But a lot of times the young niggas don't listen anyway.

[Corey]

Will listen to an old who's coming from a. Like, where it feels sincere. When it don't feel sincere and it feel like you talking at us, then you're gonna get that pushback.

[Ish]

So how do you deliver a message? If I'm speaking to you from what I know and my experience, and this is the way I know how to convey the message. Why take it so personal instead of absorbing the knowledge? I had niggas do that to me where at a young age I took it personal until I realized, like, nigga, no, he was just. That was the way that he conveyed his message. And I should have listened because he ended up. Whatever he said end up happening.

[Corey]

No, I feel like there's two ways to answer that. Like, one, it's hard to listen to a nigga who you feel you may have more money or motion than. That's one.

[Melissa Ford]

That's big.

[Corey]

Two, and it's how the message is said and the tone in which it's conveyed. Like, it's always like, we had this conversation last population. It's the tone in which a person addresses you and brings it to you. Like, I would say from how I've seen it. And we've seen different interviews with all the artists be like, oh, these niggas are stupid. It's how they say it. The only one we've really seen come from a place of, like, it sound like they cared Sincerely was wallow. And we seen them do that with thugging them and with Dirk in them. It's really a matter of.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even like you saying that. By the time it get to wallow, something is wrong.

[Melissa Ford]

No, by the time it got to wallow, that was my point.

[Corey]

That's my saying. It really was in motion.

[Joe Budden]

We know.

[Melissa Ford]

Murdering niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you coming. You coming to Wallow to promote your album. You're coming to Wallow to do a podcast. It just so happens he gonna give you. He gonna give you the good word while you're here on your album rollout. That means that this shit that's been in play, the problem has been in effect. I don't know what all this shit y'all saying has to do with senseless killing. To me, like, it's just senseless now. Yeah.

[Parks]

I don't think you should need 50 Cent to come and say, don't pay.

[Joe Budden]

People to murder people, nor do. Right. Like, oh, my God. And. But if somebody gotta say, yo, don't rent a car in your name and give it to somebody to kill somebody, we pass mentorship.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Not just that one and two. You talking about it's hard to respect niggas when you got more money and more emotion. We've had this talk up here before too. What they doing in the streets today is going off how many bodies you got? So now you ask them. Listen to what you asking for old OGs to do. You asking for us to go and insert ourselves in the fray of niggers with 5, 7, 10, 15, 20 bodies?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Who is volunteering to do that at 18? 18.

[Melissa Ford]

At 19, who is volunteering to do that?

[Joe Budden]

Not I.

[Melissa Ford]

And I think. I just think. I think where Jake. I'm not disagreeing with what he's saying, because that's happening. But this ain't about hip hop. These people were already in this life prior to becoming rappers. I'm assuming you get what I'm saying, Like, this ain't about hip hop. So like I said, these are niggas that's in the jungle, bro. When you in the jungle, you gonna live by jungle rules. And that's what they doing. So I don't want to blame this on no old head hip hop artists and think that they are lacking in their ability to, you know what I mean, get a message across to young hip hop artists. This ain't about hip hop to me. This is about inner city that's going on all over the country.

[Corey]

No, I'm not placing the blame on only older artists. I'm saying, like, just in our culture overall, like, you feel me? Like, it's all. Hip hop was based on the principle really off the streets, like, you feel me? Everybody had to be the toughest, the hardest. And then it got to a point where we start seeing niggas really live in their raps.

[Ish]

But there was a lot of niggas back then real quick that was doing what they Doing A lot of them is coming home now. That was. That was living like that. It just wasn't on the Internet. And they did it different. It wasn't braggadocious. The rappers pretended to be the guys that they watch do it right. They pretended to be that guy. So they were around that they were around them that was catching 10, 15 bodies. But they were just acting like it was them. And no, we don't sound like we no sound.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Ish]

No, we agree with you. Senseless killings and stuff like that. Ben, what's the next step? We agree. You coming from a standpoint to me, like, yo, yo, he gonna have his day in court. It happened. You put yourself in that position. That's how. That's how I'm receiving your message. Yo, y'all put yourself in that position. You should have known better.

[Corey]

Deal with it.

[Ish]

That's how I'm taking your message. So that's why. Why I'm talking on the other side of it. If you don't mean that, I apologize. You know what I mean? But that's how I'm taking it.

[Corey]

I see all angles of it.

[Ish]

I agree. I understand what you're saying. You're not wrong. Like, this is over nothing. This is stupid. Got a lot of money. You made it out the hood. Why the you is killing each other? Shooting each other. Senseless killing. I'm with you on that as well. I'm with you killing a.

[Joe Budden]

In your backyard. You hopping a plane.

[Melissa Ford]

No, but bigger than you boarding a.

[Joe Budden]

Plane to go and shoot. Shoot in broad daylight. By the mall. In la. By the mall.

[Ish]

And what you stop.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, at some. At some point, adults gotta start sounding like adults. I don't want to hear this. This. This teen summit. Y'all talking about the same thing. When them got to busing right by the Renaissance Hotel in la. Broad daylight. Broad daylight. My same point about consonant in Union Square on a Friday. On a much different note exists here at some. No, you can't just grab a gun and start shooting in broad daylight where people that don't have nothing to do with your beef, your anger, your hurt, your hood problems, your. I'm a demon. I seen too much, so now I'm a demon, nigga. Then go move that shit somewhere.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree with that. And if you gonna do that, this gonna even sound worse.

[Corey]

Niggas been doing that since the beginning of the time.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's the point. And they hoods and they jungles. Niggas is doing that. You might not do that in these white people neighborhoods. Cause you're gonna get caught. Niggas give a fuck over here. You know what I'm saying? But not just that. If you got enough money to get a nigga killed, get a nigga killed.

[Corey]

The right way, get the ninjas.

[Melissa Ford]

This gonna sound bad.

[Joe Budden]

It don't cost nothing to get somebody killed. Unfortunately.

[Melissa Ford]

Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be associated with it in no way, shape or form. It's not gonna be no id. It's not gonna be no rental car. It's not gonna be an airplane ticket. It's not gonna be nothing that can remotely come. That gonna come.

[Corey]

We're talking about niggas who are. Don't come from the greatest education system. And not that smart.

[Joe Budden]

I take the other side in that argument.

[Melissa Ford]

I take the other side, too.

[Joe Budden]

I take the.

[Melissa Ford]

If you a legitimate street nigga, niggas in the street was getting murdered at 17 and 18 years old in a manner that they didn't want to be attached to it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Dirk dad is his dad. Like, he probably has had the greatest education on the effects of what this does.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

You had a front row seat. I'm just sick and tired of us. And again, I'm not really talking about him. Cause he'll have his day in court. I don't know. I don't know nothing about none of that. They gonna have to try and tie that money, whatever they're trying to do. And I certainly ain't about to see the help no case. I don't. I don't know nothing about nothing. I'm just tired of seeing young, black, successful people. Successful people get the opportunity and lose it like that. Like that because of where we came from and the things we've endured and experienced. At some point, somebody has to be break the cycle.

[Ish]

But wait. But wait. When you said. Hold on. Yes, I agree with you. A lot of times these things be retroactive. Right. We know a person, the shit would serve free. Our brother, like the shit that he got involved in was retro. He changed by the time that they came and looked for him. A lot of shit be. A lot of shit be retro and over it. And to me, sometimes you do stuff in the moment. I'm not making any excuse. I do agree with him. But sometimes you do shit in the moment of 2016 or 15. It's the situation that you're in. Then you see something from a different perspective. You get around niggas like you. Or get around niggas. That's showing niggas a different light and be like, yo, you know I want to do better. But that stain is still there and you have to deal with it.

[Melissa Ford]

Not in this instance, but you right.

[Joe Budden]

I got you saying. And not in the surf instance either. Free to wave, surf. I love him, but surf would be the first to tell you, I said n a move down Africa. Yeah, not Africa, but when he got away. But hey, stop and go now. Go. Because yes, if you in the same environment, yes, something retroactively that you did in your past is going to come back. I could not stop thinking of Chief Keef this whole time as an example of, or at least the only example I could think of of somebody that did it right way, did it the right way. I don't know about his past, his street ties, none of that shit. All I know is he got a record deal. Word spread fast around the industry about who he be like it normally does. He wild out for a year, maybe the first year and a half. And then he boogied, he moved, he moved and we never heard a thing again. And yeah, he took advantage of the opportunity, rebranded, and is now recognized as the godfather of that sound and the fucking musical genius that he is.

[Ish]

True.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody mentions his name with none of this other shit. Know why? Because he got an opportunity and seemingly stopped. And guess what? If he didn't stop, it wasn't in a song. It wasn't in a. Real good point. It wasn't on YouTube, live streamed. Yeah, it wasn't that. Yeah, it wasn't. Dad, I don't want to hear this shit from these now. I don't. I don't. Hey. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If I went out there and did it, and I'm a little older, but if I went out there and did it, the word would be a little different from the people that love me. Nigga, what are you doing? What are you doing? I'm fucking leaving my dad house. Leaving my dad house. Omega left. It's me and I forgot who else with. Oh, it's my little brother. We make a left right there on. Eh, it don't matter. But they had a memorial and news reporters all over there. Big crowds. I'm like, yo, what happened over here? My brother's like, yo, you ain't here. The lady left a four year old in the house for five days or a baby in the house for five days and the baby died. Like, wait, what? Like my brain can't compute some of the stuff that is happening out here and in hip hop. Yeah. Another one. This is another one of those things. It's another one of things. And y'all are in a system that's part of a system. Who do y'all think y'all be talking to on these microphones, in these booths, on these songs with these choruses and bars? Where do y'all think y'all. Who do y'all think is hearing this stuff? I just don't understand iPhone on.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't understand recording they self with hammers and all that. But, yo, you know, we don't play over. I'm like, they do. You ain't lying.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't too many people that figured out a way to have one foot in and one foot out.

[Melissa Ford]

Very hard to do.

[Parks]

I'm sad.

[Corey]

It's damn near impossible.

[Parks]

It's like a whole generation of hip hop music and culture that is being just wiped off the map by dumb.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it's sad. Yeah. And then they gonna try to put, like, this type of behavior. It's like an indictment on. There is an indictment on hip hop. Yeah, true. Going on right now. And they gonna try to put this behavior in there. When. I don't know if this is that.

[Parks]

It's not that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if this is that. It's saddening. It's disappointing. I don't want to talk about none of this shit. Cause I don't live my life in a way that's conducive for me to understand. So I shut the fuck up about it. You know, maybe there's some points on the other side as to why people think that this is rational behavior, but it is not. And unfortunately, everybody got a phone. So we gotta stare at this shit and look at this shit. If you out there, choose your heroes wisely. That's what I have for you. Choose your heroes wisely. Be careful. You pick the person that you want to adore and admire with discernment. And here. What's up?

[Melissa Ford]

You cooking?

[Joe Budden]

I'm done. I ain't got nothing on it. Prayers for all.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, word, word.

[Joe Budden]

Prayers for all. See, But I keep talking about me in my 40s. I go to sleep thinking about just senseless death. I do it. Ain't gotta be somebody shooting somebody. I go to sleep thinking about the guy that just went to the bodega to get a sandwich, and the car just went and plummeted. Bow. And now that's the like. Wait, that's not fair. That's not fair. That's not right on the News. I see mad destiny. I'd be like, for that guy. That's not right. Shit. Josh Reynolds. Josh Reynolds, right? The Denver wide receiver that just got shot in his head and his arm leaving the strip club like, this shit is sad and it's fucking depressing. I'm sorry that so many of y'all feel like you need to bust your gun to feel safe. I don't think.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't even know if it'd be about safety now.

[Jwan]

What is it?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, you'd rather be it be about my cheese?

[Joe Budden]

Well, they always say rather to be caught with it than caught with it. Oh, I'm talking about for those people. Yeah, yeah, for those people that flip is talking about where something might retroactively pop up for something you did back in the day. I get. I get that.

[Melissa Ford]

I said it be about machismo now. Like, niggas brag about having it on. Them niggas brag, yo, you know. You know, I don't play nigga. I let this thing go. Like it's a cool thing that I. I feel.

[Corey]

Yeah. I feel like it's. It's just. It's deeper than any of the things we would ever know. Like, you feel me? I read a book, like one of them books like psychology shits, and it was basically on the urban community. And it was like, one of the quotes is how we flip suicidal thoughts is homicidal impulses. And it makes a lot of sense when I look back in Yonkers and look at all the little bros and all. All that when one passed away. How everybody's all sad for the week, two weeks, everybody's crying and all of that. A lot of these young is in their homes suffering from a lack of love, appreciation and all of that. And they think when they die or they go to jail, that they gonna get that. That one week, two weeks of praise is real love. And they don't realize that it's not. A lot of these are really suicidal and they're flipping. It went to homicidal impostor closest.

[Parks]

That's sad.

[Melissa Ford]

Can't argue that.

[Joe Budden]

I can see that.

[Melissa Ford]

I can't argue that. I can see it too.

[Parks]

It's sad.

[Melissa Ford]

I can't argue that.

[Joe Budden]

Like, you know, my problem is. This was my problem. I swear to God. I hate. God, I'm sorry that I hate coming in here on pod days to discuss like this. I swear I do. It really grinds my gears. This irks my soul to have to come in here and speak to some of this. But a Few things to Jwan's earlier point. Let me be the one to tell y'all out there, you don't have to live your raps. You don't have to do that. I don't care what they told you in the 80s and 90s. It's art. You know how many lies I told in raps? Mad lies. You don't have to get on there and chronicle crimes.

[Corey]

Chronological order.

[Joe Budden]

You don't have to name like Rest in peace, foolio. Somebody on my algorithm, a Foolio joint song popped up, and it was hard. I wasn't too familiar with foolio's music, but this song was hard. And the whole thing was him naming the niggas that died. Like the niggas that got all of the ops. Every one. It was three minutes of death. We got all of them. The Internet now is pulling up old Dirk songs that sound a certain way and a certain.

[Melissa Ford]

The niggas album cover had a scoreboard up there of us versus y'all. And nigga we winning. Like how many niggas we murk versus how many y'all murk?

[Joe Budden]

And that's what's going on.

[Corey]

That was true, Trudeau.

[Joe Budden]

It don't. It. We don't know. Nobody knows. We not that close, thank God. We not that close to the situation to know if it's true or not. But just it looks.

[Ish]

It looks the way the optics.

[Joe Budden]

It looks away. That song with the choir sing, oh, my life, I'm 11. Yo, dog, who the. Do y'all think y'all are foolish with this stuff? All of this key to the city, you know, my problem is. Let me talk and then you can go ahead. Like, some of us come from hoods, where we know killers. We've spoken to some of them. Some of them got good hearts. So we. We understand. Some of us come from places where some killers we understand. And so we do have an empathy that is not present in modern day society. And that's how they could tell that we from where we from. Because we kind of, in a sick, twisted way, get it. Get some of that and rationalize some of that. And I'm not saying that's okay, but that exists in some of us. We have to draw a line between that and just romanticize it. Bad killers, y'all, niggas, whoever this applies to, are not good at killing. Y'all are missing your target, hitting another target, going to rap about it. Killing a kid, killing a mom, killing in the daytime, killing at a mall, killing in very crowded areas, killing over nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing.

[Joe Budden]

You niggas are killing over absolutely nothing.

[Parks]

And then rapping about it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, so that's my problem. Like, I want to. I want to separate the people that have that type of empathy that I'm speaking about. Because those people that I'm talking about, I never spoke to one of them. And they was like, all right, Mouse, I'm about to run this bodega and just let everybody in there have it. Since Elon Musk purchased ad, my for you tab is nothing but those types of senseless murders. It's dudes running in check, cashing spots with AR15s and just wiping everybody out. Like, this shit is a mess out here. And thirdly, if there was anybody who we would totally understand you making a decision to change your life around and live differently and maybe turn your back to some of the things that was going on previously. It's Dirk. It's Dirk. What else needs to happen? They've killed people close to you. They've killed your family. They've run in your house while you and your queen were sleeping. If he were to say, hey, you know what, dog? I'm cool. I'm gonna take my $60 million and my children and go to Colorado and rap from there, never to be seen again, I think everybody would say, hey, you know what?

[Flip]

I get that.

[Joe Budden]

I get that. That's never the fucking choice. That's never the route chosen. I don't get it. Again, he'll have his day in court, so I'm not really getting in him. They'll have to prove that what they're saying about him is true. But for the niggas that they nabbed, they talking about they got somebody that was wearing a wire for 12 years.

[Corey]

No, he came home from 12. He had it for years, though.

[Joe Budden]

All right? He came home from 12, had a wire on him and was wearing the wire for years. Got it. Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

For the niggas that they nabbed, though, they got the shooters. They got the shooters already. Hey, there was 20 million cameras over there on Sunset at 3:00 that day. You boarded the plane with your name. We got the text, we got. We got you receiving the money. That's where the problem is. It's not that it was just a murder for hire. We have the money being paid, unlike. Unlike Dolph, where they was talking about. It was a murder for Hybe. We never got paid. So that made it fuzzy. These people got received money, whoever these people are, so now they gotta track it.

[Melissa Ford]

The crazy shit be, you got the money on Zell or Venmo or Cash App or some wild shit. Like, if that is the case. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's just these are senseless crimes that don't appear to have much thought going into it other than violent emotional reaction and response. And it's a shame to keep seeing it happen to the people that found a way to the people that hit the lotto. These opportunities we talking about don't just pop up. It is like hitting the lotto. I wish that we would cherish it more. I wish that we would value ourselves and each other just more than to keep doing that. That's all. That's all I'm doing.

[Ish]

I think that, you know, I'm in the middle, Joe. I'm realizing that podcasting, the job that we have to do, is filled with hypocrisy. And I say that to say, because when we talked about liking that same Dirk song you pushed, the fact that you didn't want to hear that. You wanted to hear the regular Dirk shit that he normally does. And on top of that, that everybody's not as fortunate and as smart as you to take an opportunity. I'm pretty sure that when I hear a story about how you sat in your truck and somebody tried to take your do whatever and the gun jammed, I'm pretty sure if you didn't have the maturity and the success you had or just being the person you had, being the person you are, if that nigga was outside playing around and you had the opportunity, based off, in my opinion, the environment you come from, something could have happened if he didn't go to jail. Cause he tried to take your life. The guy that broke my jaw in the park, I looked for him for that shit bothered me every day. I looked for him for over 10 years. Sitting in the park, laying there on the bench on YouTube, can't find his nigga. Cause I got snuck and my jaw broken. It was around the neighborhood until I interviewed Soul B and he was able to. I had to sit down across that, across from this guy. And it's a simple. Broke my jaw, snuck me from behind. So I'm saying that we experienced some of these traumas and we are not as fortunate as you. And it is an excuse, but we're not as fortunate to think how you think to have like.

[Joe Budden]

But you are. That's the problem.

[Ish]

I am now. I am now. Before I got here. But before I got. Before I got here, around Unc, I thought different.

[Joe Budden]

No, you still blessed?

[Ish]

No, but I thought different.

[Joe Budden]

You were one of the lucky ones. The way I was one of the lucky ones. You're absolutely right. Somebody put a gun inside of my Hummer on Gifford and Bert and pulled the trigger point blank range and it didn't go off. That's luck. Part of being good is being lucky, but that's luck. That didn't make me say that's kind of. My point is we have to value ourselves in a way where I'm not now trading in my life to cancel yours.

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that's a fair exchange. I. I think God blessed me in that moment, so let me be wise enough to go and meet my potential and all of the things that I'm capable of versus getting with the 40 niggas that I was with at the time and figuring out how to go handle that in a different way.

[Melissa Ford]

Even if you were gonna handle it, it's still, maybe it's me, I'm still not gonna handle it. Well, it's just.

[Corey]

Gung ho, how many experiences you had to go through for you to say to yourself, yourself, yo, let me make a change. This is what we're all forgetting. Like, some people need a certain amount and unfortunately, it may end up death or jail. But when you win the streets, regardless if you got money or don't, that's what come with it. That's the only options.

[Jwan]

You use the word.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I wasn't in the streets.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not true either. Even when you're in the streets, you just not gonna say, yo, it and I'ma just crash out the smart that's making money in the streets and that's doing things in the streets. Yeah, some of them is getting killed, but they not just getting killed on some. Yo, go kill that on Main street at 2:00.

[Corey]

Everybody in the street's not making money. Some niggas are just in the way in the street.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't say that either. It's some niggas on the, in the street game that's just not dumb. We, we trying to make it seem like, yo, the niggas that live that life, that's just how they are. And that's not true.

[Corey]

There's a generational gap. Y'all were raised different. Chicago is different from New Jersey, from New York, from Yonkers, from Queens. Like it is a different world.

[Joe Budden]

None of the murders I'm talking about happened in Chicago.

[Corey]

No, they didn't. But the that are committing them allegedly.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about that happened in Atlanta, where we all could have left the hookah spot peacefully.

[Ish]

I agree with this.

[Joe Budden]

I've been in the parking lot. Yo, if you've been outside, you've been in the parking lot before with some.

[Melissa Ford]

That, I mean, you know they was on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and you move accordingly. In the parking lot. I'm talking about Atlanta and Florida. I don't care about where y'all come from. I understand that Chicago is a different place, which is why you never hear me talk about Chicago. I'm not there to know or speak to it. Once you get your rat money and invest that in vests, bullets, ammo, guns, the joints with the switch and bounty, dog, we're getting you for the bounty. You cannot just run around and put money on top of somebody's head because you got money. Sorry, that's not how this works.

[Ish]

Okay?

[Melissa Ford]

Is there ever a time where a be like, yo, you know better. Does that ever stand like.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Corey]

When you in jail, that's when have that conversation. When you in jail, yo, bro, you knew better. Don't have that conversation on the streets. I'm talking about within yourself when they are in jail. Did you have it after you got shot?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I had it before and after.

[Corey]

You see, you had it multiple times.

[Melissa Ford]

But when I got shot, it wasn't based on something that I was doing necessarily. Dumb. What I'm saying is this. When I was a kid, I knew better. When I'm an adult, I knew better.

[Ish]

I agree with this.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not blaming it on nobody. Anything that goes on in my life today, whether it's in. In business, whether it's in personal, bro, I hold myself accountable. Accountable for every decision I ever made in my life, bro. We are a combination of our decisions.

[Corey]

That's a fact.

[Melissa Ford]

Right? So cool. I'm not gonna blame this, I'm not gonna blame that. I'm not gonna. When I was running around, I was still smarter than most of the niggas running around because I thought different than them. They was doing dumb shit. I ain't wanna do it. I ain't do it.

[Joe Budden]

And thank God. Coming up. The niggas that was doing dumb shit protected like me.

[Melissa Ford]

Not all of time, but even when they I still would say, oh, that on dummy time. We see. I'm going over there.

[Corey]

We see dirt.

[Joe Budden]

They let old boy go to the park and work on his jump shot. You got a chance, young boy. You think I'm a good family man? Go get your off while we out here. Like, I'm with Ish. At some point, people that know Better. That ain't true. We just ain't coming around. You that's shooting 20amonth, y'all. Y'all.

[Corey]

No, it ain't that many saying that right now on my block right now. And Carl can tell y'all this. There's a bunch of young that have no reason to be out there. They're not even from over there. And every time I come outside, I keep asking, yo, why are they here? Like, what is their purpose?

[Jwan]

Like, and what's the response?

[Corey]

And nobody has a response. I've been asking for the last month and a half, yo, why they here? Like, what the Are they doing? Like, what do. What is. What is their purpose? And no. And you know what the common is? They just outside. They want to be outside, and that is it. It's never the person. It's always the entourage. A lot of the times that be the problem behind a lot of dog.

[Ish]

It takes a village to raise a child. Even me trying to be outside. Remember my mother coming into clubs looking for me right at a young age. Or Web and Nitty having the conversation aggressively. But you're not doing that, Little TJ Go in the house. You got a good mother. You got a house. Go to school. Giving me money. You don't need to do that. Here, take the money. Go buy yourself some sneakers. And this is what. But sometimes you just watch and you want. That's why I take accountability, because I had N. S tell me that. And thank God I did. Thank God it was a group of niggas that. And I asked him this question as an adult, like, yo, what did y'all see? I asked Nitty when I sat down with him, yo, what y'all saw that y'all didn't even give me a pack or say, go do a dummy mission. Because in my mind, I was more than capable of doing it. Cause I was doing it on my own. And he explained to me that, yo, a lot of times when we grow up, there's always those special ones that we go the extra mile and we cherish, like, nah, you go to school. I miss my opportunity. I miss this. So it is out there. That will do. So I had that experience, you know? I mean, I had that experience.

[Joe Budden]

So. And y'all just. Today, y'all today, man. Y'all kids today. Oh, man, I do like, my 40s. First of all, aging is a.

[Ish]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

I want to. I want to remind the audience of that. Getting older is the blessing. 1 and 2. The stunt today is different than whatever y'all are Putting on Instagram. The stunt today is nitty hitting me to say. Happy Father's Day. Love you, og. Remember back in the day, we made it. Your kids, my kids. Just talking to Father, dad, family. Yo, what you doing now that we don't have to do none of that no more? That's the stunt.

[Melissa Ford]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all are confusing the stunt out there. Y'all are. I pray that y'all get guidance from somewhere. Whoever this applies to, whoever this applies to again, Durk will have his day in court. And because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, I hope that they can't prove none of that stuff that they attempting to prove on him. That's the hope.

[Corey]

I feel it.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, in more hip hop court news.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's a weekend. Man. I was in a good mood and a good vibe. Y'all coming here with this. With this hoot nanny. Come on, man, let me. Let me call on the tower Luther real quick. Yo, man, this life thing. This life thing is good.

[Melissa Ford]

It's precious.

[Joe Budden]

This life thing is good. It's beautiful. It's fragile, it's delicate. It's to be treated and handled with care. Care.

[Ish]

Damn, this is a long intro.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, this might be my favorite Luther song too.

[Joe Budden]

He knew the beat was blind. Yeah, just let it run. Let it run. I ain't ready yet. Luther was getting some coffee or something. Some in the back. No. What you think? Luther never no dude in the studio. Not right before doing this. George Michael, you think some of these slaps come from gay sex in the back?

[Ish]

A slapping them and pulling out a gun on them and telling them to go record. Remember that producer that they said that they was doing that was forcing to record under distress. So, yeah, I could. I could.

[Jwan]

Somebody put a gun on Luther.

[Parks]

And it's in jail. He's in jail.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Wh was based off wh?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, come on. What wh meant? What did wh really mean? Them.

[Ish]

That meant wake me up before you go.

[Joe Budden]

That mean they was butt ass recording that Lutheran DRO do this. Listen to it.

[Corey]

I just don't want to see.

[Joe Budden]

Wait a minute now. Yeah, it's good vibes and good energy in here.

[Ish]

Here a million days in your home is now going lut the game, man. It wasn't confirmed.

[Corey]

I don't give a.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was.

[Ish]

Oh, I'll stop that.

[Joe Budden]

Luther was gay.

[Melissa Ford]

It's all right.

[Corey]

We still with Luther.

[Ish]

But he a confirm he was gay.

[Corey]

Like he died a lot of Don't Confirm they gay.

[Ish]

Luther.

[Joe Budden]

Luther was gay. Why you want to dance with your father?

[Corey]

I told you.

[Ish]

No, that's not gay.

[Joe Budden]

Why you want to dance?

[Corey]

If Junior come in the house, your dad. Let's dance. You gonna look at him crazy.

[Ish]

Listen, that's not gay. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. And that's one of my favorite songs. That's not gay.

[Corey]

Call him right now and ask him if you.

[Ish]

I'm not calling him right now.

[Joe Budden]

I never.

[Ish]

Yo, you got trauma, son. You got trauma. And that's what I'm saying. And the podcast let you. You know, let it out, but you got trauma. And I feel for you, my son. I feel if you got a lot.

[Joe Budden]

His generation that got trauma.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't just him. It's them.

[Ish]

But I like that about you because you're expressive. You expressive, but you. I'm letting you know, if you trying to hide it, you need to be better at how to go seek. We got him. Y'all look J. But how does Pop feel when you express that? How you think pops feel if he watches it and say, yo, whatever my son feel about me, I can. It comes out on camera or comes out on the mic. How do you think he makes. Okay, I didn't know that. That's the relationship.

[Corey]

Like, these are my grievances or issues.

[Ish]

Got them.

[Corey]

Like, you feel me?

[Ish]

I got you. I got you.

[Joe Budden]

And we gonna stop allowing him to come up here and get Jadakiss trauma. You can't just take the gig and say something bad about legend. You are not. You gotta be a legend. You gotta be a legend before you start talking about legends around here. That's the problem. These kids would voices.

[Ish]

I watch a video at you at homecoming, blowing the whistle, dancing like, what the.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Big Al, yo. Shout out to Big Alpha, the Lord Biden citizens out there.

[Melissa Ford]

Goddamn it, indeed. Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

That's you, indeed.

[Ish]

These days, I ain't said when I.

[Joe Budden]

Got my car to go up the other street. Go up the street the other day, I. I felt like I had one. I got paranoid.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Out the clear blue.

[Ish]

That car hot.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't mean hot.

[Joe Budden]

I felt illegal. I felt like, oh, let me make sure I'm good.

[Ish]

I like it high. The one that don't tell me to stop.

[Joe Budden]

That's hard to think that way in mad long.

[Melissa Ford]

But that looked like a police maggot. That is a.

[Corey]

They gonna get up. See that pink hoodie on you Drop slow.

[Joe Budden]

That's Luther, son. Oh, whoa. Yo, nah. Yo, that shit. No, I Think I smoked the karaoke look with mine, you know what I mean?

[Corey]

And if he got the cigarette between these two fingers, he gonna look sassy and shit.

[Joe Budden]

I think I smoke these pants. They're not your style, but you wouldn't do these. But the Balencia PJ Jones. Stop. Come on, man.

[Parks]

Shits look crazy.

[Joe Budden]

How about this? At least say they look like Joe pants.

[Melissa Ford]

Those are Joe pants.

[Jwan]

Those are definitely Joe pants.

[Melissa Ford]

I think the Balenciaga made them for you.

[Ish]

You ain't gotta.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I said when I might have made them for you. Oh, they wilding now.

[Corey]

I don't know.

[Ish]

I like them shits.

[Melissa Ford]

Not me.

[Joe Budden]

They for me. They for me. Style should be unique, too. Everyone sells.

[Ish]

Hey, what's that you got with your back called?

[Joe Budden]

With my what?

[Corey]

Scoliosis.

[Ish]

Scoliosis. Having that car. Scoliosis is fly the way you. The way you get in the car. I know you getting that fly scolia. You sliding right into that, you know.

[Melissa Ford]

With straight back kick off them ain't comfy.

[Ish]

You get into that shit. Fly, I thought is like, look at this.

[Melissa Ford]

I would want to rob.

[Ish]

You.

[Joe Budden]

Had to learn how to get in there, your belly on there.

[Melissa Ford]

You five nine, that's different.

[Joe Budden]

I hear you. You just. You just got whatever you 5 11, whatever you are. Hold up a minute. Let's crack on him. You like. You like the that went and get lipo. And now they look, they appear to be a bad bitch, but their brain and is still on toxic. Yeah, he's still got short nigga brain and personality and heart and soul. He developed into this.

[Ish]

All you got to do is accuse him of something. That Napoleon come right out. Yeah, I took over the land, Napoleon.

[Joe Budden]

I took over the land.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, yo.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not wrong. You wrong. Who the you think you tell. You're wrong. They got the game. They got the game.

[Melissa Ford]

Was like, yo, you tall as hell, my G. You feel good? No, I know I'm tall. I ain't tall as hell anyway. But he like, yo, you don't look like that on the couch. I said, yeah, the couch is 18 inches high.

[Ish]

Stop dissing the couch when it cut the head dis anything around.

[Corey]

You know, he wasn't always taller. He a size 8.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not a size. I'm a size 10, size 9.

[Joe Budden]

They don't even. They don't even make that sneaker for that. We're 11 and up. Those are girls. They don't even make that sneaker. Yeah, those are girls.

[Melissa Ford]

And you listening to him you listening to yo.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid ass.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, my feet growing too, yo.

[Ish]

At this age, congrats.

[Melissa Ford]

Dead ass, yo.

[Ish]

Nah, dead ass.

[Corey]

Benjamin Button ass.

[Ish]

Yeah, you good, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, AI, yo, my AI, yo.

[Ish]

Yo, goodness.

[Joe Budden]

I hate to break it to you.

[Corey]

I'm dead ass.

[Joe Budden]

I swear, yo. I ain't lying, yo, pause. I was like, nothing on you is growing. There's nothing on you he gave me.

[Parks]

That's just gouty.

[Ish]

That's the old nigga swollen. That's a swollen foot. Nigga, you got water in your knees.

[Melissa Ford]

I was like, yo, should I.

[Ish]

When you sleep, sleep with your feet up like this? Elevate your toes.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what it is, stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Your foot, it's not growing.

[Ish]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Jwan]

All right, you're not growing. They're not getting swollen.

[Melissa Ford]

No, they're not swollen. My feet growing. My sneakers don't fit me. No.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

Never mind.

[Ish]

Having children at a old age, you start seeing them grow. You think you growing. You trying to win. My daughter is growing. Wait, I'm growing? It's not Peter Pan green tea.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in.

[Melissa Ford]

No, for real. My growing, it's okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, well, congrats.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You go hating.

[Joe Budden]

Like, what does he want us to do with that new information? Like, it's.

[Ish]

You know, one day, though, follow this. One day, though, son. I want you to decide to say, be doing you. I want you to reverse it on that one day when he going a little flash over the sliding in. Just take your car and follow behind him and see what he does. Come back and tell us. Spy on this, son.

[Melissa Ford]

Most of what he does.

[Ish]

He got it now. He do some fly sometimes differently, son. Spy on this. He don't do everything the same.

[Melissa Ford]

That is, like, ain't nothing to spy on me.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't doing nothing. I live a boring life, yo.

[Ish]

No, you don't.

[Joe Budden]

I live a really.

[Ish]

I saw that. I saw those stories. You was having fun at that karaoke, huh?

[Joe Budden]

I was home in bed by the time I posted that story.

[Ish]

I. You don't gotta tell me that. You don't gotta tell me that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't sing.

[Ish]

What's that song?

[Corey]

Long Gone.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I was long gone. Out of there.

[Ish]

You just did a good. Just look fly. It looked nice, the view you had.

[Joe Budden]

It was nice. It was a good vibe. It was a good vibe.

[Ish]

I thought Mel was gonna be in there.

[Jwan]

I was asked to go, but I couldn't.

[Ish]

Ooh, Chanel Gay. Damn.

[Jwan]

I wanted to go, but I couldn't.

[Melissa Ford]

Got you.

[Joe Budden]

Who asked you to go?

[Jwan]

Who Asked you to go, Doreen.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Hey, Doreen.

[Jwan]

Hey, Doreen.

[Joe Budden]

Mm.

[Jwan]

So I'm gonna go to the next time. Next one. You gonna go with me? Come on, we can sing Fire and Desire.

[Joe Budden]

That trick has gotten many a man at this pod. But, hey, that eye squire, that one little trick right there made many fail.

[Melissa Ford]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, nah. No, it's all right. I'll see you there.

[Jwan]

All right, fine, fine, fine.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you wanted to sing. You wanted to.

[Ish]

She want the ride, nigga. She want the ride. That's what she do.

[Joe Budden]

She do that shit for the ride.

[Ish]

Look, she don't care about going with you. For real. She gonna leave your side.

[Jwan]

We have fun when we go out.

[Ish]

But you gonna leave your side. Cause you mixie, you ill. You just want the ride. Yo, so pull up. Pull him off the block.

[Jwan]

No, I can. I can.

[Joe Budden]

That was funny. She don't really leave my side.

[Jwan]

I don't.

[Ish]

Oh, she don't.

[Joe Budden]

She don't leave my side when we go out.

[Ish]

Cause he's somebody. Oh, I got. He's somebody. A like flipping E. Yo, y'all good? You never asked. If we good, you walk to the door, you do left.

[Melissa Ford]

Hour and a half, meet up, same.

[Ish]

Spot I would have. I'll meet you right here. Okay, Same spot, right here.

[Melissa Ford]

Ready?

[Parks]

Break.

[Joe Budden]

That's fire.

[Ish]

You only don't care.

[Jwan]

That's the know me anyways.

[Joe Budden]

And then the one time she did leave my side at that Angie barbecue, I tore her fucking head off for how she did it.

[Jwan]

I went to the bathroom.

[Joe Budden]

I know. It's a shame you don't know how to go to bathrooms.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Corey]

There's a way to go to the bathroom.

[Melissa Ford]

That's learned behavior. It's like hood shit.

[Corey]

But that come from hood for women. There's a way.

[Ish]

Yes. It comes from hood and Melissa Ford and women.

[Jwan]

I seriously can't even remember. I feel like I had security take me.

[Melissa Ford]

No, you had some random.

[Ish]

You had a random.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's this way.

[Ish]

Oh, take me.

[Melissa Ford]

Take me there. Take me to the King.

[Ish]

I want to go there. Take me there.

[Melissa Ford]

This stupid.

[Ish]

But you up for watching and not stopping it. You watched this happening. If something went down that bad for you was complicit. He watched it. You watched her go. You would say, yo, come here, man. You take mine of your business.

[Joe Budden]

I gave her the look, but she didn't recognize the look, so she went off. But when she came back and homeboy went, wherever you were.

[Melissa Ford]

I gave her the thrashing.

[Joe Budden]

She got it she got it. I hate that I have to do that to Melvin.

[Jwan]

It's okay. I learned my lesson that day.

[Joe Budden]

That won't happen again.

[Ish]

Around me, it's just Mr. Plus One. You know that, right? And you gotta stop that plus one. You get that off like you as a man to be known as Mr. Plus One. You really comfortable with your sexuality, your masculinity. You just comfortable. You a plus one. You walked up the stairs as a plus one. You went to the game as a plus one. You went to the.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad at him going to the game as a plus one. The plus one is.

[Ish]

Okay, give me.

[Melissa Ford]

Give me some plus one times. Y'all just say anything up here on these mic.

[Ish]

Okay, cool. I can give it to you the dinner. You went to a wallowing them use a plug.

[Melissa Ford]

I never went to Dillo wallow in my life.

[Ish]

Duh. Simba.

[Melissa Ford]

Why was I the plus one?

[Ish]

So Simba was a plus one or you invited him to dinner?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, I'm asking you.

[Ish]

Cause you saying, smarty pants. The point I'm trying to say is that you owe Mr. Plus One and you don't have to.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you told us about one time you was a plus one. And it's sensitive, so I ain't joking on it, but you told us one time when you said you was Mandy's plus one. You said that up here.

[Melissa Ford]

No, Mandy said that. I never said that.

[Ish]

Nigga, he don't like that. Mandy said that.

[Joe Budden]

And you brought it to the bottom.

[Melissa Ford]

Mandy said yo was my plus one.

[Joe Budden]

And you came in the pot and you gonna snuff me over. Look, I'm not at all.

[Melissa Ford]

I got a smile on my face.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not even remotely somebody smiling.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I can't.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't gonna hit hard.

[Melissa Ford]

It ain't even gonna hit them hard. Y'all just be making up.

[Ish]

I think it's fly. You get it off and it says that the don't want me to be there plus ones. I'm not. I'm not ish. It's more from a jealous point of view.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Joe Budden]

It's hilarious. Listen, I'm company man. Mandate consider this a company wide email. We not letting Mel and Ish walk to the board together anymore. Nor are we letting Mel and Mark Lamont Hill walk to the board together anymore.

[Jwan]

I am open mike.

[Joe Budden]

She just spazzed on us. She did.

[Jwan]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

She said, motherfuckers, I'm the only one that breaks on the board.

[Jwan]

That is motherfucking right. The Times that I have come in here and sat my ass down, guess what happened? The board stayed blank.

[Joe Budden]

But let's keep how that part turned out.

[Ish]

This not fucking up fire, right?

[Joe Budden]

Absolute heat.

[Ish]

This is not her only time doing this. She ratted on before.

[Jwan]

I did not rat.

[Ish]

And we walked in the. Called the meeting on the balcony.

[Jwan]

You did r. I don't think that was riding.

[Joe Budden]

Not only did. Wait, wait.

[Ish]

How was that?

[Joe Budden]

We waking it up. Not only did she rat, and I called the meeting on the balcony about people's participation with the board. Then at the end of the meeting, I tried to be a civil, responsible dude. I was like, all right, does anyone here have anything that they would like to address the staff with?

[Ish]

I remember that.

[Joe Budden]

And nobody said none. And I looked at Mel and I was like, mel, she. She's like, no, that was so smart. I'm good, y'all. I said this fucking. She act like, yo, Mel, yo, well.

[Jwan]

Hold the fuck up. I have a drum. Than before, when I was standing at the board and everybody was just talking amongst themselves.

[Ish]

No, she did that. She did do that before.

[Joe Budden]

Hold my hand.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

If you wasn't fine. If she was. Do you know how your life would.

[Ish]

Be if you was rescrucia.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if you didn't look the way you look and you pulled some of the shit that you be trying to pull?

[Ish]

Mel, girl, Mel, you sat there. I remember we all.

[Joe Budden]

Sister in Christ. No, for real.

[Ish]

Mel sat there. Like, she didn't bring it to the nigga's attention. Like, she was like. He just called a random meeting. He looked like the best.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Ish]

She said she was. Yo. Hey, yo, she.

[Melissa Ford]

She was like, yo, he was hot.

[Jwan]

Do you.

[Ish]

Wait, wait, let me just finish this. She was sympathizing with us because Ice me is where this came from. I got. He was looking at me. Ice was a. Anyways, and she just sat there.

[Joe Budden]

Mel sat there and let me argue with people, you know, I kind of argue.

[Ish]

I like that.

[Jwan]

Do y'all remember the time I was standing at the board and the three of you were just, like, chatting it up? Chatting up. I was like, I am not standing here for the good of my health. Can you guys help me with this?

[Joe Budden]

I'm going.

[Ish]

Keep it real. We thought you was having another one of your hissy fits. That's it. So we just ignored you.

[Jwan]

I hate. I hate that it gets packaged like that.

[Ish]

Am I standing here and you guys.

[Jwan]

It's not even. Because.

[Joe Budden]

A couple times she's ran off mid. Yo, why are you walking like that come back, man. Come back. Oh, I'm supposed to be doing an ad.

[Jwan]

That has not happened in a long time.

[Ish]

Now you.

[Joe Budden]

That is our time to sexualize you at the workplace too.

[Ish]

You a different male.

[Jwan]

No problem.

[Joe Budden]

When you go to the your fast walks me, it don't look the same up Mark. Mark Lamont. Walk up here like, move, man. You see what you're doing? Look at Mark now, day one, invested in the board. Put your baggy jeans a little bit right. That's a little bit of hate.

[Jwan]

Actually, what I did was I brought him over to the board. I said, now, this is what happens when we come in today.

[Joe Budden]

I was told no.

[Jwan]

Okay? So this is what we come in. What we do when we come inside. We come to the board with our topics.

[Joe Budden]

And now today, she want to walk to the board. Would you.

[Jwan]

No. He came to the board last.

[Corey]

Yeah, bro.

[Melissa Ford]

I come to the board, you won't.

[Joe Budden]

Even be here, you know, ignoring you.

[Ish]

Of course he walked to the board. But Mark was here.

[Jwan]

He started to contribute.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Jwan]

I love it.

[Ish]

He wanted to check.

[Jwan]

Came in with subjects.

[Joe Budden]

Bart workers and stuff. Me, it's cool. Mark took him to the game, made him feel better about the workplace. Mark took him to the game.

[Ish]

Your co workers standing with me. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Sunday, what you doing tonight? You free? Yo, you free tonight?

[Melissa Ford]

What's wrong with Ben?

[Ish]

Let me take you court side to the game.

[Corey]

Let's go on a D core side.

[Ish]

You look good, though.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, no, no, hold up. No golf, man. We crack.

[Corey]

They gonna catch us on tv.

[Joe Budden]

Drove over there with gas prices at a. Look, look at me. About to pretend like I know we a gas price. I don't know, but they gotta be hot. That Nigga took the i95. Listen, man, me coming to the job is nothing against you, you know what I mean? I'm just here. I'm just here to do a gig.

[Parks]

I don't want you to feel intimidated by my.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't want you to feel no type of way about me.

[Ish]

N. I knew her before we had great. I knew Mel before you. I met her first when I was a professor.

[Joe Budden]

That be my question.

[Jwan]

How did I get involved?

[Joe Budden]

That'd be my question.

[Jwan]

I'm not even.

[Joe Budden]

How did she get here? She thought a man don't have nothing to do with her. How the is she? All right, yo, it is time for my key fob. Not enough.

[Ish]

Not enough, man.

[Joe Budden]

She ain't got the code to the door, but she get in some. I mean, like how did Mel get in this?

[Ish]

She know the man like ish.

[Jwan]

I can be a plus one, you know.

[Joe Budden]

You queen plus one.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, you a queen plus one.

[Jwan]

People like me but you call for.

[Ish]

The plus one like they call ish for plus one. You call invite yourself. Yo, are you going to.

[Jwan]

Don't let him spin the narrative.

[Ish]

I'm sorry.

[Jwan]

Don't let him do it.

[Melissa Ford]

Sorry, man.

[Joe Budden]

All right, it is time for my favorite part of the show. It's Prizepix time. Woo. Woo.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Prizepix is the number one daily fantasy sports app in all of the land. Super easy, very simple to play. All you have to do is select two players across all sports. I repeat, all sports, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win big. There's season long games, there's all types of big money games over there. But for this week I am going to go with. Let's see. Justin Jefferson played already and got more than that. 83 yards. Let me see. I'm riding again. Why? Because of all the non calls against the bikes.

[Parks]

I was hyped. I'm like, oh, they got one last chance. A minute 50 seconds left.

[Joe Budden]

I started, dragged him down by the whole face mask.

[Parks]

I'm like, oh, you killed my vibe right now.

[Joe Budden]

They killed me too. I started Sam Darnall in fantasy because of that Jaden Daniels injury last week. I wasn't sure. So I started Sam Darnold and. And I really would have liked him to cook up some magic on that last round.

[Parks]

Yeah, at least give him a shot.

[Joe Budden]

And the refs are standing right there during the face mask. Right there.

[Parks]

And you. A face mask is one of the easiest shits to see.

[Melissa Ford]

The whole helmet turned. Yeah, his whole body turned around.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, and dude was running away like.

[Parks]

Oh, I can't believe I got him by the face mat.

[Joe Budden]

Like all right, now's not the time.

[Parks]

Carry on.

[Joe Budden]

To discuss it. But I have a good idea as to why some of these calls are being missed.

[Parks]

Yeah, carry on. Let's.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, I'm going with Saquon Barkley for more than 67 and a half rush yards. Of course I'm going with Tyreek Hill. I'm a lower that number to for more than 80 receiving yards. I'm going with Jordan Love. You two is back. Right. I'm going with Jordan Love for less than 257 and a half passing yards. And I'm riding the high hand of Drake London. I got him with a tud. A touchdown and more than 60 receiving yards he's been heating up for me in the last four weeks. I'm five and two. Got a big match up this week. Download the app today and use code JBP to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup. I repeat, download prize picks today and use code JBP to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup. Good luck to all participants out there. And run your game.

[Ish]

That's a fly line. Run your game smooth. Yeah, I like that.

[Melissa Ford]

It's in the game on me, but.

[Ish]

Yeah, run your game.

[Corey]

Guess what?

[Melissa Ford]

It's growing on me.

[Corey]

Pause like your shoes now my shoes.

[Ish]

Ain'T growing real quick.

[Joe Budden]

49 years old said my foot is.

[Ish]

This feel like a 12am drop. I'm feeling it like the energy is chasing it. Yeah. Of course I chase it.

[Joe Budden]

Chasing the midnight drop. He like that. Midnight.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It doesn't feel good when you outside moving around and oh, it's just a weekend vibe, but you know how I feel about that. Don't chase it though. Yeah, don't chase it. It might happen.

[Ish]

It might happen because don't it up though, because you don't be Mr. Chaos today.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I'm in a good mood.

[Ish]

Yeah, let it, let it, let it flow.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in a great mood. I ain't got.

[Ish]

Yeah, I mean it feel like a 12am drop to you too, sis.

[Joe Budden]

Do you like the midnight drops?

[Jwan]

I love the midnight drops.

[Ish]

Do you know when it drops?

[Jwan]

Yeah, because people hit me that it dropped. Yes. Just like all y'all. I get calls and text when the drops early.

[Ish]

Well, he proved his. He. This got a whole. He proved it. We don't know about. Y'all is ill. That's it. Legend.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we have brand new music from Summer Walker.

[Parks]

Okay, I didn't hear this yet.

[Joe Budden]

Heart of a woman. Would you like to hear it? Here you go. I love Summer Walker.

[Melissa Ford]

I do sound like Sonny Braxton esque.

[Ish]

Question is why I do the things I do Answer I may never find but I'll always choose you want to give up on you but damn, I know I can't I put the blame.

[Joe Budden]

On me for giving you chances to chance I can't stand and I try.

[Ish]

To be strong how much can I touch your words on this time And I hope you lying saving you is a heart of a woman. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Y'all know I stand for Summer, so I'mma shut up and let y'all do the review. All right, what's the verdict?

[Melissa Ford]

I like it that's fire.

[Parks]

Sounds good.

[Joe Budden]

OLDER PHIL I absolutely love Summer Walker. I stand what music? I love Summer Walker music. I stand for Summer Walker music.

[Jwan]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

I think that she's got two classics under her belt. That's me. I'm not telling y'all to agree. And I think that the third installment and final installment. I think this is finally over. Over it. Over it. Still over it. Finally over it. I think this is going to be more of the same. She's about to absolutely smoke this and fire at that. Larry. Nigga. This whole album. Larry. Hey, Larry.

[Melissa Ford]

You made that nigga famous.

[Joe Budden]

Don't cop this. No, she made him famous. Hey, Larry. Skip this drop, my brother. She is about to kick your back in and fuck somebody better.

[Melissa Ford]

Larry might be back in the building.

[Joe Budden]

Larry's not in no building. Stop it. This that same. You try to pull offsetting cardi. I'm done with you, Larry.

[Melissa Ford]

Where's offset?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Ish]

It's okay.

[Jwan]

You know something?

[Melissa Ford]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

You got some tea?

[Melissa Ford]

Nope. I drink coffee.

[Joe Budden]

I look. I look forward to hearing the Summer Walker project. I was about to hit somebody to find out when it dropped. That's how thirsty I am. But just good to. Good to feel like a fan again. Yeah. Give me some music. It's been a few years since the last album. This sounds fire. Very first singlish or first drop is from this. But I can't wait to hear her get. Getting her Larry back. That's it. That's what I got for Summer Walker.

[Parks]

Sounded good. Sounded good.

[Ish]

I didn't floss. I didn't do none of that crazy. Don't stop looking.

[Joe Budden]

Did you pull out a lint? A lint, bro. While I'm on air.

[Ish]

Yo, I didn't mean. Okay, now don't do that. Don't start the okay, like. Cause I know what that means.

[Corey]

Insubordinate.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Don't do that. Don't put that under my. Don't put that in my file. Put that in my file. Buddy. Don't, please.

[Parks]

Right next to the floor.

[Jwan]

How did this happen anyways? Where'd all the fluff on you? Okay. You know, I think that I speak for everybody. We're. We're glad that you have, you know, such impeccable hygiene habits. But, like, why on camera?

[Ish]

I don't know. You've been checking me about that way before. I can't believe you ratted on me last time. Because you pulled me.

[Jwan]

They were about to see. And I didn't want to risk, you know, some flying out of Your teeth and landing on me.

[Ish]

I understand, man.

[Jwan]

Sorry.

[Ish]

Don't you. But you there.

[Melissa Ford]

Look at your face.

[Ish]

You're trying to help get rid of me. So I see your bad. Cause all my days off, you just try to call out, yo, you got a lint brush? Yo, you flossing your teeth?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, whatever y'all doing, leave that at the pet farm. Whatever y'all doing.

[Ish]

You watch that whole too that to.

[Corey]

SeaWorld or wherever the y'all was at Animal Kingdom.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, y'all was at a pet farm.

[Joe Budden]

What the. Yeah, here we talking about Summer Walker, not your lack of hygiene. Which one y'all think?

[Ish]

Summer Walker.

[Joe Budden]

Let me wait out. Do y'all have any thoughts on the new Summer Walker project? And not flips hygiene.

[Ish]

Summer Walker, the song that I heard was nice. It reminds me. It's an old school feel. 90s feel. Like it said whoever said it.

[Melissa Ford]

And Jay wants to sound like Brandy.

[Ish]

Yeah, that was fire.

[Jwan]

He gives it a little bit of a Brandy deal.

[Corey]

Yeah, I'm jacking it.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm jacking that, too.

[Ish]

Hard of a woman.

[Joe Budden]

These young.

[Ish]

It's a heart of a woman, bro.

[Corey]

What was wrong with that?

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing.

[Corey]

That's good lingo.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

I got you with you.

[Joe Budden]

Summer is Summer.

[Melissa Ford]

Summer, shout to Summer.

[Joe Budden]

Let's just be. Be careful with our Brandy references.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that's.

[Ish]

He love Brandy.

[Melissa Ford]

You think that's bad?

[Corey]

I think that was a compl.

[Ish]

Somebody awful for.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a compliment.

[Parks]

It is a compliment. I think.

[Joe Budden]

To one of those people.

[Corey]

It gave me that.

[Joe Budden]

It's a compliment to one of the Those people. To one of those people.

[Parks]

Like, I think he's just saying slow.

[Joe Budden]

Down, baby, a little bit. To one of them who might be the heir to the Whitney voice throne, talking about how their relationship. I'm not talking about our fodder. Their relationship. So, yeah, let's cool it now just a little bit. Let's let summer be summer. Ms. Norwood, would y'all should have a little more respect.

[Corey]

I wasn't talking about the vocals. I was talking about the production sound.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Say it, though. Say it, though. Ms. Norwood is not to be played.

[Corey]

With, so the nuances are needed.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you know what? We have had a lot of new hires. We had to let Mark know about how we feel about Jay Z up here. We need to make a list. I'mma make a list of the people that y'all need to just treat with a little. Have a little more reverence for when we Talk up here. Ms. Norwood is on that list for me. Let's just be careful is all, is all I'm saying.

[Melissa Ford]

I think in another life you might have married her.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, well, if I could act right, like if I. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Cause I don't think she tolerating that.

[Corey]

Imagine him and Ray J as brother in laws.

[Melissa Ford]

Holy Thanksgiving would be. Y'all would be out of here. That is a content gold mine. You niggas would be out of here. What?

[Corey]

Mona Scott would have been rich.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you know what's funny though? Like, I do have. I do have a theory. And I'm with what y'all are saying. I also think the Brandy's and some of them, the Whitney's, some of them that are buttoned up, be with the shit all the way.

[Melissa Ford]

I can concur all the way I see it.

[Joe Budden]

You'll just never know it. I just carry my.

[Melissa Ford]

Myself classy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they just got class. But you think that Brandy or the likes of Brandy don't like a dick with some toxicity. I don't believe that. I don't believe that at all. Now that I'm in a pussy business. I love Brandi. I love Brandi too much to even. To even put her through the Joe Budden experience. Like, I don't think that's right.

[Melissa Ford]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that's right. I'm with you sometimes. Sometimes you gotta save people from yourself. Like sometimes you can look at somebody and know the damage that.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that. It's a piranha over here. Get out my water, please.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead, girl, and sing them songs.

[Ish]

Don't overdo it.

[Joe Budden]

Get out my voice.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cause and the reason you don't date them chicks that's all buttoned up like that, anything they say publicly, they write. They could be dead ass wrong in the house. Like that whole Keke Palmer and her man shit. I mind my business, but I got some thoughts. If Brandy say Joe Budden did some shit in the house. Nigga, I did some shit in the house. It ain't no fighting that. I love you, Randy. Anyway.

[Parks]

Anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Anything else in music?

[Parks]

Not a ton.

[Joe Budden]

Anybody from your backpacker boys came out?

[Parks]

Shane Noir dropped a great project. Self produced the Lotus Child. Megan Thee Stallion dropped a deluxe, which is a whole 13 new songs. So it's a new album. I don't understand that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm never listening to Megan Thee Stallion. It was.

[Parks]

It sounded pretty good. I only listened to like two or three songs. It sounded pretty good. I just don't understand why you wouldn't put that out as a new album.

[Joe Budden]

It's weird if it's that many songs. Yeah, yeah. And I'm saying that. But her last album did have some songs that I with. I play some.

[Parks]

You would probably like some of this.

[Joe Budden]

I play some of them snake sounding songs. I just think she need to change up the. The tempo of some of the songs is all.

[Parks]

Yeah. Tempo and the rhyme style is a little consistent, but I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem.

[Joe Budden]

Well, me neither. I'm not going to listen to her consistently enough for that to be a problem.

[Parks]

I get you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I get you. But shout out to her.

[Parks]

Yeah, shout out to her.

[Joe Budden]

Who else? Who else? Y'all don't give a about music when it drop, right? Like Friday come. Y'all don't even check the itunes store or nothing. Look at these.

[Ish]

We don't.

[Parks]

It was a pretty quiet week.

[Ish]

In their defense, we looked at parks. Ice ain't here. We. Which he usually have it.

[Parks]

I'll speak for Ice. The east side has dropped. I'm excited about that. Snoop presents to ep. Still east side or still eastie? West Coast.

[Joe Budden]

And speaking vice. I think Gucci dropped a record. Oh, he did okay with somebody.

[Corey]

Him and sexy.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Him and sexy Red. I'm sure that's fire. I'll wait for Ice to play it for me before I hear it.

[Corey]

I'm going to listen to everything tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Not I tonight. You crazy as hell. So you ain't gonna stop shaking.

[Corey]

No, no, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

You want punishment?

[Corey]

No, nigga chilling. You want punishment?

[Joe Budden]

He don't need to go outside no more now that he got the love from his father this week.

[Ish]

That's what it was.

[Melissa Ford]

I was outside trying to get.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't outside trying to fill that empty void.

[Ish]

Tell me, where have you been, father? I love this game.

[Joe Budden]

All right, musicians, have at it. Have at it. I have absolutely nothing else in music.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's pretty quiet week.

[Joe Budden]

All right, what else we got?

[Jwan]

Do you guys want to talk about Menendez brothers possibly getting parole? Okay, well, the district attorney in California has basically said that he is going to recommend to the judge who is going to resentencing. Yeah, well, he's recommending resentencing.

[Joe Budden]

You on top of this Menendez shit. You like Dim Kardashian?

[Jwan]

No. I mean, I think you ain't missed.

[Joe Budden]

A beat with this shit.

[Jwan]

I. Well, I mean, like, it's hard not to because it's all over our televisions. I mean, first we had the Ryan Murphy, you know, series, and then we have their voices talking about their perspective of everything. They've been in jail for like over 30 years.

[Joe Budden]

34 years. And they did a 2020 on these dudes recently. I watched that as well.

[Parks]

And there's HBO one. It's just everywhere.

[Jwan]

And then in light. Exactly. In light of all the new evidence from the former member of Menudo talking about the sexual assault that he experienced at the hands of their father. Now the district district attorney is basically saying, I'm going to recommend that they get parole eligible eligibility immediately. That's huge. Because they were like facing life without parole forever.

[Ish]

And he also was down a couple of points. He's absolutely. Election.

[Jwan]

Yeah. The district attorney.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Jwan]

Yeah. Gascon.

[Ish]

Yeah, he was down like 30%.

[Melissa Ford]

How do we feel about that?

[Corey]

I think they should get free.

[Jwan]

I think that they should be eligible for parole because they're not a danger to society. Like, and I think that that's one of the considerations when it comes to being eligible for parole. They're not a danger to society. And with the circumstances around the fact that they may have been telling the truth about. About being sexually abused and that not having been taken into account during their trial. Yeah, I feel y.

[Ish]

Don't stop cracking your.

[Parks]

I think if that second. If the second doctor came out was valid and the. That was left out of the trial is true, then it would have been probably a manslaughter charge. They still killed people at the end of the day, brutally. And I think that their time would.

[Corey]

Have been so I feel sexual abusers should be tortured to some degree. So if their father, who's supposed to be their hero, sexually abused them.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. Come on. We skip this guy's dad trauma.

[Corey]

No, this ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Can we skip?

[Corey]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

My dad should be my hero all the time. What the. Trace him and respect the 1v1 man. Let them clear out. You see Ish cracking his neck while talking. Hit him with that 1v1 going.

[Melissa Ford]

I think it's bullshit.

[Ish]

You think what's bullshit?

[Melissa Ford]

Them getting early Release.

[Corey]

It's been 34 years.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't give a fuck. Would it been. It's niggas that have gone to jail for less did life. And if we are going to allow somebody's trauma to justify them committing criminal acts, then free the whole ghetto.

[Corey]

I'm not mad.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, great. I'm free to ghetto.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not. I'm not a fan of that. I think it's bullshit. I think that the media attention and the spotlight, that's been put upon the case has now allowed them, you know, the benefit of getting sympathy from the. From the masses. But the sympathy don't give us masses when we create, when we do violent crime.

[Ish]

But you don't identify with trauma anyway.

[Melissa Ford]

Who don't identify with trauma?

[Ish]

Let me not say that. From conversations, you don't seem like you really take the trauma serious. That's not true.

[Jwan]

If you want to therapy that he doesn't really.

[Ish]

My apologies. I'm saying that speaking to you and coming from you, I would expect to answer like that because you just a macho man, nigga.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not.

[Ish]

That's how I feel. I'm just saying I feel like watching them, you know, if they father did that, I do understand what you're saying, but if they father did that to them, a lot of back in those days, they didn't feel like men suffered from those things, like sexual assault. It wasn't really highlighted when it came to men, you know, it was shunned. It's only women experienced those things.

[Corey]

So, like, I feel like it's still taboo.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's taboo. So I feel like, you know, these. A lot of times, if a girl is kidnapped and she kills her killer, not. Not kill, kills her kidnapper, you know, she does time.

[Joe Budden]

But a woman sex trafficked.

[Ish]

Yeah, sex trafficking. She gets out at a decent.

[Melissa Ford]

Good point.

[Ish]

Great, you know, time. But I understand what you saying because I felt the same way until I saw the story and then I. And I watched the documentary. I'm like, okay, you empathize with them a little more. Yeah, I empathize with them a little more.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

So do you feel they shouldn't be released because of the killing part or because of the way they did it?

[Melissa Ford]

I think that their killing was graphic. I think that their killing was premeditated. And I think that, again, not saying that those guys didn't have. If those things were accurate and that that stuff really took place, they definitely had a right to feel, you know, contempt and disdain for their family. I just think that it sets a precedent. Like, what about all the people that did similar shit that just didn't have their case televised? They still locked up. So I think it's unfair to let go some and not let go all.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's unfair that we are talking about the resentencing, that we talking about the television shows as it pertains to the resentencing and not some of the new evidence that they found. I don't believe that a television show alone is going to get people granted new trials.

[Ish]

Steven Avery is still in jail, but.

[Joe Budden]

If there's new evidence and he ain't getting. I don't know why he thought Trump was getting him out of jail.

[Melissa Ford]

We just had a case. We just had a case less than a month ago where somebody was executed. The district attorney, the district attorney attorney begged for him to not be executed. The quote, unquote, the prosecutor, the victim's family that they thought was a victim begged for him not to be prosecuted under the guise of new evidence that exonerated the gentleman, he still got executed. You understand what I'm saying?

[Parks]

I do, but I don't think that you should hold true just because he didn't get the right proper thing that.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I shouldn't get proper.

[Ish]

But he's saying unfair. He's saying that it's unfair, just unfair. Just. I understand what Ish is saying, but.

[Corey]

To that point, how you saying. Like basically saying the TV and everything is given. We just had this conversation a few pods back. They did that with Diddy did using the TV and shit to make him look a pain away. So regardless how it go, it can be in your favor or not in your favor.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying that y'all asking me my opinion on the case. I'm just saying I think that, you know, is drug. Is drug sellers that got life, that didn't do a violent crime. They got life for selling drugs.

[Joe Budden]

I just think, oh, you're not able to look at this isolated.

[Parks]

Yeah, I put you on that part, by the way. What like drug dealers should not probably serve life.

[Melissa Ford]

That's literally doing life right now.

[Parks]

I don't think someone else shouldn't get fair justice because someone else.

[Melissa Ford]

Somebody else. That's a good.

[Corey]

But because you think drug dealers shouldn't get like, it's people that think what drug dealers do is bad just because you don't think it's as bad as killing.

[Melissa Ford]

That's their opinion. Not knocking their pain.

[Ish]

So new evidence. You saying that new evidence was found and that's what we should be focusing on?

[Jwan]

Well, I mean, the fact of the.

[Joe Budden]

Matter is the Menudo boy, like, what do you do? Like dog.

[Parks]

And they found an old letter from.

[Ish]

The kids to the letter to his cousin.

[Joe Budden]

I. I want him to get out. I do want him to get out.

[Jwan]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

34 years is 34 years. And your parents doing the abuse. It's like I can't speak to what that. What that.

[Jwan]

And not only that, when, when we talk about prison. You know, they talk about the whole, you know, reimbursement. Well, not. Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

You did. Do tell.

[Melissa Ford]

You went to jail.

[Joe Budden]

You went to prison for some.

[Jwan]

I did not go to prison. I did not. I didn't go to prison. I was in jail. There's a big difference between the two. Okay, but when they talk about prison, they talk a lot about reappearing, habilitation, and a lot of times that's just really bullshit. But these guys have been exemplary prisoners. They have got. They've gotten, like, college degrees and they run prison programs and they do all this stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Why did that sound so anti black?

[Jwan]

What?

[Joe Budden]

I don't feel like you should be able to say that. Like.

[Jwan]

Say what?

[Joe Budden]

Like that. All the rehabilitation talk is a lot of times, like, do we have facts to support that?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, yeah, it depends on what angle in this country. Yeah, depending on what angle she coming from.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Jwan]

No, I'm talking from the angle that.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't think the rehabilitation programs work in prison.

[Melissa Ford]

Are you serious? Are you joking?

[Ish]

I'm dead.

[Jwan]

No, I'm not even talking about. I'm not even talking about rehabilitation programs. I'm talking about being in prison and it being a rehabilitative experience. That's bullshit. That's what I'm saying.

[Melissa Ford]

I would say for some. For some, though, there's studies that show.

[Joe Budden]

That's not Corey, stop. That's totally not Corey stop.

[Melissa Ford]

What side are you standing on that prison does rehabilitate or not?

[Joe Budden]

Can.

[Melissa Ford]

Can.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying does.

[Jwan]

Okay, so do you want to talk about, like, rehab?

[Joe Budden]

So I just don't think it's fair to state factually that prison can't rehab.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that that's fair assessment.

[Ish]

I agree with that, too. Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

And prison can make you worse.

[Ish]

It can as well.

[Jwan]

So that's why I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

Case by case basis, can as well.

[Jwan]

So I don't want to apply it as a blanket statement.

[Joe Budden]

It jumps out at me when it is a blanket statement because prison rehabbed my dad.

[Melissa Ford]

Indeed, that makes sense.

[Jwan]

So I don't want to issue it as a blanket statement. I want to issue that as a generalized statement. So let me just be clear on that.

[Joe Budden]

That's better.

[Jwan]

So when it comes to the Menendez brothers, they're not a danger to society. They. Yes, they did a heinous crime, but it was directed to the people that, you know. They've given examples of the fact that they, like, abused them. And so, I don't know. I'M just on the side of them getting parole. And also, I don't know why it's now, but we've read and seen lots of documentaries about them over the course of, like, the last 20, 30 years. This is not the first time that they've produced documentaries based on the Menendez brothers. It's just now new evidence has come to light in conjunction with a lot of media attention.

[Melissa Ford]

This had the best acting, this had the best budget, this had the best production.

[Jwan]

Yeah. But I also think that the main factor that, you know, what you guys were saying about men, you know, and male children. Exactly. The taboo of male children being abused. It's a different era in which we're living. It's a different conversation. We have a different mindset when it comes to that. Whereas maybe 20 years ago, it was still very much something that just didn't want to be, you know, people just didn't want to talk about.

[Ish]

Yeah. And, you know, now people with power, with money and power, you know, they're trying to highlight a lot of times that people with money and power do whatever they want and get away with it. So you have to be fair all around the board. That's just my stance on it. You know what I'm saying? If they, you know, the parents were rich and they were being sexually abused by their father, they felt like they had nowhere to go. They didn't, you know, just. We hear about these stories and, you know, free them.

[Melissa Ford]

Gotcha.

[Corey]

Free the bros. Free.

[Ish]

Well, not our bros, but free the.

[Corey]

Menendez bros.

[Joe Budden]

All right, Jesus. Jesus. Let's try this again.

[Ish]

You brought it up.

[Joe Budden]

It is. No, I didn't.

[Ish]

No, I didn't bring it up. She brought it up.

[Joe Budden]

Say free the gang and that's it. It's over.

[Ish]

It's a Friday. It is the weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Some people are traveling, some are doing. That's lit right now. Here we go. With all this depressing out of here.

[Ish]

Oh, I want to say something, too. Oh, I. I want. Thank you for. You just woke me up real quick. And I want to. It's about something with women and dating. I have something that I want to say.

[Joe Budden]

Jeff, I'd love to hear about that.

[Ish]

Whenever the hook. You know, this is a long. So this is the time he was getting fucked.

[Joe Budden]

20 minutes.

[Ish]

This is the time he was fucking. Right. Let me fuck before the verse. Come on. I can catch a quickie. And five.

[Parks]

Count me in.

[Corey]

That's what he was doing.

[Ish]

Them doing six. Yo, Quincy, where you at? I want to talk to that Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Joe interview that Quincy light your ass.

[Ish]

No, I don't want to smoke with him. He's a legend.

[Melissa Ford]

You trying to shoot at Quincy? Quincy will light you up.

[Corey]

No, I lost my glasses.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta be fast. Gotta be quicker than that should hurt my heart. Gotta be fast, young blood.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm about them shits. That's why I'm my mind. Cause I lead them somewhere. Hats and glasses.

[Parks]

I got a limit on glasses, too.

[Joe Budden]

They don't.

[Melissa Ford]

They don't stand a chance with me. Yo, I bought a cashmere dope ass. Cashmere beanie. I wore that about four times. I was tight.

[Joe Budden]

I pair glasses when I got these, but they was Ray Bans. And then I felt bad.

[Corey]

Ray Bans is cool.

[Joe Budden]

I like Ray bands. We had a Ray Ban, so I just did.

[Ish]

Why you get him some fly like you had?

[Corey]

Let's get him some.

[Melissa Ford]

That's.

[Corey]

That is.

[Joe Budden]

They won a bad beer. Ray Bans.

[Parks]

Ray Bands are classy.

[Melissa Ford]

What's your class?

[Joe Budden]

These?

[Jwan]

Yes, those are Louis.

[Joe Budden]

These are Louie Ray.

[Melissa Ford]

If you gonna buy loop.

[Ish]

Yeah. Same thing with the car.

[Corey]

If you ain't proud of the baby, gotta have product.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Let me bump into a topic by mistake.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Is that the rule on gift giving?

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no, no. It depends.

[Joe Budden]

It depends.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

Look, now, he said.

[Ish]

He goes.

[Joe Budden]

You thought. Y'all defend it.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah, I'm just saying that depends. I'm not going if I'm buying some at the same time.

[Ish]

That's the problem.

[Melissa Ford]

If you buying some shit at the same time. Like, I'm not. Me and my man go out to eat. I'm not gonna get my man pizza, and I got a fucking tomahawk.

[Parks]

But you're not shopping together. That's the difference.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not gonna bring you parks back if I'm like, yo, I'm going to get some food. You want something you like? Yeah, bring me something.

[Parks]

But he was just bringing you a gift.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't have to know these people.

[Ish]

At the same time.

[Corey]

But he just told him.

[Ish]

Yeah, he should have let me know.

[Joe Budden]

Black people have. We got. We got.

[Melissa Ford]

We spend your money.

[Corey]

It's human decency.

[Parks]

I would say thank you for the sunglasses.

[Joe Budden]

I would say the same thing.

[Ish]

I would say the same thing, but not wear it. Right.

[Corey]

But don't on me when you do it like. Yeah, when you. When I bought you these Ray Bans. I bought these, Lou.

[Parks]

Well, that's what. Yeah, okay.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying.

[Corey]

That's what he did.

[Melissa Ford]

No sunglasses at all? No, he said Yo, I was going to get. I was going to get you something when I got these. And I said, oh, word, what's those?

[Ish]

They were in the same section.

[Melissa Ford]

No, of course not.

[Joe Budden]

The Ray Ban store was. I passed it to get to the Louis store.

[Ish]

Gotcha, cuz. I know you went straight to Louie. You ain't go to those little shits in the. In the center of the mall now. No.

[Melissa Ford]

Going to the kiosk.

[Ish]

You don't go to the kiosk. I didn't go there exactly for a.

[Melissa Ford]

A pineapple like that.

[Joe Budden]

And. And I dubbed the dude at the kiosk, too. And I didn't feel bad about. But maybe for a second when I was running in one of the stores, he come here, Jojo. Check out my album because I got this right here. Yo, yo, look at this. I was like, yeah, recently been on my way out the other day. On my way out. He was right there when I came up. Yo, yo, yo, check it out. Check it out.

[Ish]

No, they got you on tape doing this.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not coming to check nothing out. Yo, my checking out days are over. Are over with. I'm so sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

First the Fat Boys break up.

[Joe Budden]

I wish you well and good luck, but I'm not coming to you.

[Melissa Ford]

You wish me well. Spend 27 over here. No, $27. Some of that at the kiosk that the be. I buy the socks. I buy the socks a lot.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting you some Ray Bans. That I am. Now that I heard your response, I got. All right, so let's get to it. Is hip hop media just not worthy anymore?

[Melissa Ford]

Worthy of.

[Joe Budden]

Of getting to have interviews with our favorite artists. Are the days of Ed Loving, Dr. Dre, Fab 5 Freddy. Are the days. Just audio, but Donnie Simpson. Is it over? This is from a Punch tweet where Punch said, I gotta find it. But he said, basically, we not sitting with y'all.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, yeah, I would think that this.

[Joe Budden]

Is coming off the heat of Kendrick doing the Harper Bazaar. Yes. Interview and him catching some flack for it being Harper Bazaar and I guess.

[Corey]

Not a black outlet.

[Melissa Ford]

And Punch said that we done fucking with y'all.

[Joe Budden]

Basically. Punch tweet says, I respect hip hop journalism and feel it's needed in its truest form. Form. It helps keep the culture alive. But it's only a few real ones left. Most of you guys are trash. Just my opinion. That's why artists don't want to talk to you.

[Corey]

I feel that's what he said.

[Jwan]

Would have been interesting if he said, who he feels the real ones are that's left.

[Corey]

He wouldn't do it like on Twitter.

[Melissa Ford]

You're not gonna do that but negate other people that you might have.

[Corey]

He went through it on Twitter though. Gave certain people they praises. Like that's what I mean.

[Jwan]

Like when without saying who he thinks is. He could just say who he thought was good holds in a high regard.

[Melissa Ford]

And the people that you don't.

[Jwan]

There's so many. There'd be so many.

[Joe Budden]

Mel just. She's confusing rat rules. She's rat so much that she don't even know what is, what's and what's not. Yeah, that's. Sometimes you could rat and you got.

[Melissa Ford]

Relationships with some of the that you.

[Joe Budden]

Might think are trash. Sometimes you can rat by elimination.

[Jwan]

J1 what did he say? Who did he highlight?

[Corey]

He didn't highlight one person person specifically, but he did respond to one person and say this is not in regard to them.

[Joe Budden]

Eric. Eric D on Twitter said just talked about Punch's tweet in therapy. Cuz it made me that upset. I think we need to start using this app for more positive conversations about rap journalism. Like talking about our favorite pieces from this year or songs that we liked. It is so negative on here. Punch retweeted that and said Said. A couple of people sent me this post earlier and I thought about it. My comments made you so upset that you spoke with your therapist about it. Imagine what artists must go through when things are written about them.

[Corey]

He cleared the out of him.

[Joe Budden]

That's why my original post asked is it okay to criticize the critics, End quote.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh yeah, I fuck with him for that.

[Corey]

What I with him.

[Parks]

What talking to your therapist about some Twitter is.

[Melissa Ford]

That's some. If my post made you talk to a therapist, imagine what the artists are talking about in their therapy sessions when y'all say negative about them or when y'all critique them. I think that.

[Corey]

This is a conversation usually had like amongst artists when they say like when they do their vlogs or whatever. Like all the critics or the blogs, they saying this and that and then blogs that say, man, shut up. Be an. But then you see, now you see the higher ups in the labels, the punches, the other. The other higher ups engaging now it's like y'all being harsh of us. But it's like don't hold up the mirror if you can't look at the mirror yourself. So I feel totally how Punch feel.

[Melissa Ford]

And I think you're right. I think that nowadays anybody with a microphone in front of Them thinks that they're a journalist, and that may not necessarily be true. Like journalists go to school.

[Jwan]

99% of the time.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a journalist go to school, dog. They learn techniques on how to interview. They learn techniques on how to write. They learn techniques on how to do certain shit from people that are. Some people just got it.

[Parks]

And they're also just creatives, by the way. No, real journalists are creatives. And if I'm sitting down with Drake, I'm going to think of an angle to talk about things that he's not.

[Melissa Ford]

Going to make it interesting.

[Jwan]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

We don't have to restrict this to journalists because he said Hip Hop Media, which is podcast also, that's just the journal. The journalists deal in facts. I. I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

But they don't necessarily either. They'll ask questions for engagement, you know what I'm saying? Like shit that they may not even know to be factual or know to be true. They'll take, like park said, a certain angle to invoke shit out of the guests or the artist. Now it's. Nowadays everybody is just spewing gossip, you know what I'm saying? Or trying to be salacious or. Because it's the Internet generation trying to get clicks. So it takes away from the necessary, the integrity of journalism and media in itself.

[Corey]

A lot of it comes off disingenuine. Like we'll see. Oftentimes certain pods or radio hosts or journalists say, oh, this artist ain't do here. But you go through their timeline, they kick the artist back in for weeks, months, they on them. So I feel like it's really just a matter of niggas being mad. They're not getting certain interviews they feel they should get or are entitled to. And it's like, why do you feel you're entitled to this? Why are you more deserving than this person is?

[Melissa Ford]

I think the media space is just cuz is monetizing it that they just doing whatever they got to do to get clicks. And that don't necessarily be in the best interest of the artist.

[Corey]

That's a fact.

[Melissa Ford]

So I agree with him a th percent, a million percent.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's a crock of what, Punch? That I think there's truth, but the truth is buried under the crock of shit. And I've had this talk with Punch before, so I mean, I don't really feel the need to have it publicly. Well, let me see, let me go to what he said.

[Jwan]

What was some of the criticism that Kendrick received doing the Harper's Bazaar article.

[Joe Budden]

The criticism was, you keep talking this pro blackity, blackity, blackity, black shit and how Drake as a culture votes, and yet anytime you get a chance to represent culture, it's normally through a white outlet.

[Corey]

Didn't they try to criticize you too?

[Joe Budden]

Well, they've done that forever. But for what?

[Corey]

They said you praised Kendrick for his interview and doing it, but you kicked Drake back in for going on the other side. So, like, they tried that with you also.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I saw them say that I kicked Drake's back in for doing the interview with Yachty.

[Corey]

Oh, yeah, and they like, they came for HOV too.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y'all, y'all idiots can't never speak for me. Y'all, y'all try your best because of that little Adsense check. Y'all get on the 21st, but y'all can't speak for me. My brain is way too warped and I have way too many multiple personalities for any of y'all out there to just assume this is what Joe Budden was thinking. I absolutely love Drake sitting with Yachty during my disdain came from Yachty being allowed to go to the studio after that.

[Jwan]

He did say that.

[Joe Budden]

I said it then. I'll say it now. I love seeing peer to peer communication. Yeah, I don't need some of those peers in the studio while some of them are cooking up. I don't need that. As far as Kendrick goes, anything I say here, they're going to say I'm chasing an interview because I bigged Kendrick up for so long during the beef. I could give two fucks if Kendrick don't sit with me. And that's why I have a problem with what Punch is saying when you say hip hop media. There are way too many options to choose from for you to lump all of those people under one umbrella of, of, hey, y'all talk bad about the artists and the artists feel away so they don't want to talk to you. That is a crock of shit. You can't tell me that. Now. Many of us in hip hop media choose to speak about you rather than to you, because the gig is the gig. But where I'm. Where I, where I come from, the hip hop that I know, even those things led to more anticipation for an amazing interview, right?

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

Like when Chance came up here and did the part, I was kicking chances back in for months. True about that fake independent shit about the three hats about so many things. And he was listening and he said, you know what? I'm gonna face you and I'm Gonna. We're gonna have the discussion. And we did. And it was important at the time. Who else? Big Sean. When I sat with him months before that, I was kicking his back. And some. I've had a lot of interviews where I was kicking somebody back in and they came right to the smoke rather than say, hey, this person's been talking about me, and my feelings are hurt, so I don't want to go. I don't even like his point to homeboy that had to go to therapy. Homeboy that had to go to therapy is a dude sitting at home somewhere who knows what he works and where he works and what his home life is like. He is not performing in front of millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people. He's not required to have the same tough skin that some of our entertainers are required to have.

[Melissa Ford]

But is that an unfair requirement to punch his point? Is that an unfair requirement that these are still human beings? 1. And just because my career puts me in front of a million people, that doesn't mean that I can be disrespected or I should disrespected and just have to tolerate that.

[Joe Budden]

But see, and that's where we conflate points. Yes, I agree with that. I also don't think everybody in hip hop media kicked one person's back in. There are too many people in hip hop media. Find the person that is true and aligns with whatever you trying to do and talk to that person, then I just think it gets real murder when artists today won't sit with anybody.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree with that. And I said that about Harper's Bazaar. I said I thought it would have been a negative if they didn't let Sza interview him. I think that we basically beat the critique by allowing Sza to sit with Kendrick as opposed to some white media person or some white interviewer that fucking grew up in Connecticut. No disrespect to Connecticut.

[Jwan]

And it's possible he wouldn't have done the interview if it was the one.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't knock that. But let's say this. Why couldn't we have Scissor interview him for a black media publication?

[Corey]

Is it too much to assume that whatever mediacation an artist does align with isn't getting the numbers or it won't get the response? And that's why they don't do it?

[Ish]

I mean, that's one of the critiques.

[Joe Budden]

But that's. But that's. That's a part. But that's part of. I want to focus on what you're saying. Cause that's part of my critique, right? Jwan is right. When you're talking about appealing to the masses and you talking about stars and a certain level of audience that includes white people. True.

[Melissa Ford]

Thousand percent.

[Joe Budden]

Like, if you talking only blacks, then we talking about playing with a quarter of the Monopoly board. So I'm not mad at that. But the same way that you go and speak to them, I think it should be equally as important to find the person in hip hop, Hip Hop specific, not just black hip hop media that you could sit with. I think if Kendrick never sits with anybody, we are well within our right to kick his fucking back in. I also don't see a world where Kendrick won't sit with a big boy or sit with a sway or sit with. I don't. I don't see he would. They have to show me that he won't do that for me to believe that. See, Drake, I know that about. Because of how he's going about interviews. Since that Elliot Wilson interview. How that interview went. How the interviews. Like, I know that about him now. Like, even recently. Not recently, but a few years ago, he tried to do some shit where all the media people come up here, we'll do the interviews. I edit it up, slice it up. No, nigga, no, no, no. This ain't going like that. I don't want to talk to nobody. That. That ain't an interview. True. If you just gonna dictate the questions, the answers, the footage, and everything, then that don't count for. I think Punch is right that a lot of hip hop media is trash. And I think homeboy is right. There's a lot that's great about hip hop media that's not highlighted by the people that we need it highlighted by. Because y'all represent very sensitive artists and y'all have to deal with very sensitive artists. I don't think that part is highlighted enough too. Like, I'm sure that Punch and some other executives have stories upon stories upon stories about how they've had to walk an artist off the ledge because of something that I said or something that act said or something that somebody in hip hop media said.

[Ish]

Definitely.

[Joe Budden]

And when you on that side of it, why wouldn't you protect your artists by saying, no, we not talking to nobody and we don't need to?

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

But I want to point that they don't need to. But I mean, does it come with a certain option Optic you right? It does.

[Melissa Ford]

Two things. Two. I'm agreeing with you. Two things. I think that we get caught up in judging people as opposed to judging their art. And I think that if you judge somebody's art from an objective standpoint, you could say, yo, I don't like that album. I don't like that person necessarily as an artist. I think what we get caught up is we start getting into personal about these people that we don't know.

[Parks]

But that also goes both ways. A lot of times artists and I can speak as being a part of projects that someone reviewed. Sometimes you take it personally and don't like that outlet when they're critiquing the music. And a lot of fans, when they have critiques of what we say about Drake or Kendrick or whoever, are like, oh, you don't keep that same energy for Drake or whatever. And it's like we're talking about the music.

[Joe Budden]

See?

[Melissa Ford]

And sometimes if we're talking about the music, then I think that person is just need to get over it. Because, dog, I might have liked your last project. I might not like this project. It says nothing about you personally.

[Joe Budden]

Stay right there. Because that's an important distinction to make. Oftentimes you be talking about somebody music and that person be listening and hear you, and now they take offense to what you're saying.

[Melissa Ford]

I think that's on them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, but I think that's on them.

[Jwan]

No, let.

[Joe Budden]

The last two times I've hit SZA or not I've hit Sza, but that I've had communication with sza, it don't even have to be about nothing. But she remind me that I seen that nigga Ice and whoever up there talking shit about my project and it's up for like with them. We could be talking about Easter, but she makes sure to say, hey, I remember that. I never said nothing personally about true.

[Jwan]

But a lot of times, like an artist will look at their art as an extension of themselves. That's possibly true, but it's definitely true.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, what I'm saying is I think that's on them. Me personally, if you start attacking a person, you start attacking their character, you start attacking stuff about them personal. We have this thing that, yo, the gig is the gig and you signed up for that. And somebody might not have signed up for that. That is something that it's almost always said when you start attacking somebody, it's like, yo, my N A, you a multi millionaire. Why the fuck do you care what I say? That's people's perspective. I used to say that when he was a troll. Yo, dog, you winning, you up why the fuck you care what I say? That's not necessarily. People got feelings, my nigga. When you get. When you become a millionaire, that don't mean that you. Your feelings go away.

[Parks]

True.

[Melissa Ford]

You get what I'm saying? So I think that it's on an artist if we are objectively, objectively critiquing their music or their project or their acting or that movie. Because you could not like Denzel in one movie and you can love Denzel in another movie. And don't say that you are personally attacking Denzel Washington.

[Ish]

Well, sometimes they do add personal attacks to it and that's. I think the problem is saying that your music isn't good, but then trying to divert or get into what's currently going on with them is going. Is attacking their personal life. Like, yo, he would do some joke shit like that. I can see why people be mad. Yo, I don't know what's going on. You need to go back there to that nigga or go back and do that. That's a personal experience.

[Joe Budden]

But that's also a privilege I have because I don't solicit interviews.

[Melissa Ford]

True, true.

[Joe Budden]

I don't look actively look for them, ask for them. I turn most of them away.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I live and die on.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. And right. I think the artist and Punch have a right to say all hip hop media is trash and we're not doing any of it. Okay, then you go be black media. Then you become. Because these people are already powerhouses amongst themselves. Kendrick could sit with Punch and we watching it for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

Or go find a young black journalist that just graduated from school or yeah, unearth somebody.

[Joe Budden]

But. But this whole stance of all hip hop media is trash. So yeah, artists are well within their right to fucking not talk to anybody.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But then deal with what comes with that. Deal what comes with that.

[Parks]

There's a lot of amazing journalists, you know, from.

[Corey]

Based off everything you're saying, especially about the critique and as aspect. I think media, you would say tend to forget how artists view their art. And Lil Tecca just said that's said this in an interview. You could work on a project for a year, two years, sometimes five years for one day for that to be when it released and everybody just on it like. So artists really hold a personal. A personal. What would it be, love?

[Melissa Ford]

Attachment.

[Corey]

Attachment to their work. So when it's not received how they would hope for people to receive it.

[Parks]

That's what comes with the kingdom.

[Melissa Ford]

Now I think that's the gig.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

And.

[Corey]

But that's where it becomes murky.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's artist having the gig up.

[Melissa Ford]

I think that's the.

[Joe Budden]

Once. Once you release the art, it's not yours.

[Melissa Ford]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

It's yours while you're doing it. Once we get it, it's our open for interpretation. It ain't for you to have this attachment to. To. Whereas you about to hate people that have a negative. Something negative to say about it. That's a crock of.

[Corey]

But that's artists. That's how artists act. So it's really you going, you either gonna deal with it or you're not. As an artist and as media sensitive.

[Joe Budden]

Thugs, you all need hugs. That's what I say. Which earlier conversation?

[Parks]

The Dirk show.

[Joe Budden]

I don't remember. Sorry.

[Parks]

Just the whole situation, like it's so interpretation. Yeah.

[Ish]

Shout out to punch. But it's kind of confusing to me.

[Joe Budden]

The dark. Yes, got it.

[Ish]

It's kind of confusing to me because Kendrick has had a hell of a year. So I'm kind of confused on the stance right now. You know what I mean? It's not like he had like niggas was dissing him and that and everybody's been praising him and praising what he's done, so.

[Melissa Ford]

But he might not have forgot the.

[Ish]

Negative shit from two years ago.

[Melissa Ford]

Sometimes that happened because everybody didn't. Well, some people did, but everybody wasn't big enough to Mr. Morale.

[Parks]

True.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

Yeah, true.

[Melissa Ford]

So a lot of people had some negative reactions to that. But I just think that if somebody not attacking you personally as an artist, then that's the gig. I don't have to. Like your last prop project, you know what I'm saying? And again, I could have bigged you up for three projects in a row. This one ain't hit like them.

[Parks]

Right?

[Melissa Ford]

That's art.

[Ish]

Niggas don't look at it, but we respond to that too. Like a nigga can say a whole bunch of positive shit about us. We not gonna respond. We gonna charge it to the game. And as soon as they say the negative shit, we gonna jump in and wanna respond to them. That's just how society's.

[Jwan]

That's also human nature.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's human nature.

[Corey]

Niggas like to attack negativity like, you feel me? Then I think that's just what it is. It's easier to attack and go at the negativity versus embracing the love because it sometimes feel like the negativity is the true feeling versus when a person be like, oh, you did good. And we see it even in the community. On Twitter, they'll compliment people hammering there, but the negativity is usually what gets attacked.

[Melissa Ford]

Get that sentiment.

[Corey]

I know I attack it, but that's because it's easier to spot.

[Joe Budden]

But you another that need to put his phone down. So sometimes that, yeah, put your phone now. You are going crazy over there. And I'll say this. I'll say this in closing. I think that Punch speaks from a position of privilege. I think that Punch. I think that Punch. A few reasons. I'll tell you why I think Punch is fortunate enough and not just Punch tde. They are fortunate enough and lucky and blessed enough to how two powerhouses that only ascend up. By the time they fall off, music will be in a whole nother place. Kendrick and SZA are going up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up. One very. Not too many other people can claim two powerhouses like that Under 1 umbrella. 1 and 2. For the people that ain't mega stars under that umbrella, I just think that umbrella don't really give a fuck about press like everybody, everybody else. So Punch is able to say, J Rock, I can't imagine kids about press like that. Same with Absol. Same with school. Boy, that crew was just on some family shit. If the press come, it come. But if it don't, this is how we moving them to the side. That ain't the case for everybody else. That ain't the case for everybody else. Y'all that have the king or queen on the chessboard board. If y'all not moving a certain way. Media and press take that out on the rest of your acts. And the rest of your acts normally want to press and need to press and can use the press. So there's a dance, there's a waltz that has to happen. That TDE is the exception to that rule. So he get to talk like that. The rest of these niggas can't talk to press and about press like that. Cardi do it because she don't have no music coming like the people that do it. I could tell you why they doing it. But to the people that are actively putting music out and trying to grow their brand and their business, it's not wise to do that. It's not wise to come out and say, yo, all the hip hop media, fuck y'all. Suck my dick. That ain't smart.

[Parks]

True.

[Joe Budden]

The rest of y'all get out there and think that y'all could keep trying this shit. That Punch and TDE is doing and see how it works. See how it works.

[Ish]

Why you not addressing hip hop media as far as being more. More responsible. More responsible and respectful in how they, you know.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not doing that. I'm hip hop. I'm hip hop media. So I lead. I am the example that I want to see. I'm not responsible for how anybody else move. Hip hop media just like hip hop.

[Ish]

Then that sounds to me.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. There's too many different things going on. I don't have to agree with how every outlet is moving, but there's enough of them out there to where artists could find one that they rock with and get to it. It's too many different ways. Today they doing docs about you so you could go get with what's the dirt or one of the doc Nick niggas if you're not trying to be seen. They doing the long walks in the pasture. They like to date. The media just even looks different. So you could pick, you could pick how you want to come off. If you a street and you into that, you can go see Gillian, them over there. If you were OG and a vet with some stories, you can go see Nori over there. If you want some backpacker nerdy, we could see Rob Markman, we could see Sway. There's just too many people. If you Atlanta based, you could go see my over there, Ray Daniels and the other one. The other one. The other one, the big one out there. I don't remember right now. It was on Revolt. Now they. Now they got a brain freeze. But it's too many places for me to just hear anybody say, yo, all hip hop media is trash. So this is why we moving like that, man. Please knock it off. Knock it off. All hip hop media is not trash. Not at all. Kamala going to sit with fucking Shannon Sharpe right now.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Just announced.

[Melissa Ford]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

But is don't tell me that all hip hop media. Yes, he's hip hop media. He just won the hip award at the BET Hip Hop Awards. And even if he's a retired football player, he's interviewed enough rappers to be hip hop media. Enough entertainers, comedians, actresses, athletes. He is hip hop media. He may not be a hip hop podcaster, but that's my point. When it comes to media, it's too many people to sit with. Sit with an athlete.

[Jwan]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Word. You can't tell me that the vice president is doing hip hop media and the president, the former president is targeting hip hop media to reach a certain audience. Audience. But all hip hop media is trash, and we not coming to talk to you about music. Oh, please. I'm not rolling with that punch. Punch wouldn't say that to me. He gonna say that to y'all.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Jwan]

I feel like the tweet was just kind of in response to Kendrick's. To the criticism Kendrick's facing by doing Harper's Bazaar. So it was like a really broad stroke. Like you said, there's so many different facets of hip hop media to sit with or speak to that it's just like.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't believe. I'm sorry. And I don't. And I don't believe. I believe that if Kendrick never does an interview with hip hop media, that he'll have less culture in him. I don't wanna confuse that for what I'm saying. Like, Kendrick is Kendrick, whether he does hip hop media or not. Hip hop media is saying it'd be nice for our greats to not overlook us for all of the white outlets.

[Parks]

It's all big ecosystem system. Everyone's feeds each other. Podcasters get from journalists to talk about. Podcasters get from music people to talk about music. People use said on podcasts to fuel their rhymes.

[Melissa Ford]

So objectively, it's all a big ecosystem.

[Parks]

So if you stop feeding the ecosystem, it's. It's not a great situation.

[Melissa Ford]

But objectively, if you're not. Kendrick having a year that he's had, and a lot of that year is predicated on hip hop media. The year he had definitely was helped by hip hop media. Just this platform in itself helped the year that he had. So now to now, if you're saying it's an ecosystem.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but he helped us.

[Melissa Ford]

No, Vice. It was.

[Jwan]

That's the symbiotic, reciprocal kind of situation.

[Melissa Ford]

That's my point. No, I was getting in. Y'all let me rock. I'm just like, no, I'm playing.

[Joe Budden]

But that.

[Melissa Ford]

But that goes to your point. Yeah, that is a circle. It's a dance. So now you can't say that all hip hop media is cocky. Did he say all hip hop media or. He said most.

[Joe Budden]

Most.

[Parks]

He said most.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't say all.

[Melissa Ford]

It's different.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, most.

[Melissa Ford]

Because most is very different than all. But you take two to tango.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I'm saying? Like that. I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

And most of you hip hop niggas is weird anyway.

[Melissa Ford]

Artists or people.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, I think that's a wild stance for the hip for the artist to take when most of the artists are weird. See, but again, this is my skew thinking.

[Melissa Ford]

You think they think they weirdos?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Like you're one of the few people that would be like, yo, I'm weird.

[Joe Budden]

I think. I think a good. I think a good percentage of the artists out there know that they're weird. Especially the great ones. I don't think Kendrick run around thinking he's normal. I think he think he's weird in the head. I think that artists have a tick. You know about my tick tears. There's the artist tick. Some of them recognize that tick and just know that they think differently than the masses.

[Parks]

Also, I'm pretty sure any great artist has been told literally, that since they're 4 years old, that they're fucking weird.

[Melissa Ford]

You're different.

[Joe Budden]

You're weird, you're different. Gotcha.

[Parks]

Speaking of someone who has an artistic bent and has since I was a kid, people thought that was weird. And speaking just artists people think are weird. People think the artists weird.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think people have been thinking.

[Corey]

As an artist, you gotta be a little weird.

[Jwan]

Well, that's where the phrase comes from. With. From genius breeds eccentricity.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Corey]

To be an artist, you have to be a little weird. Any creative.

[Joe Budden]

Well, and I'll take it a step further to cover you niggas out there. We got to be a little weird.

[Parks]

That's true too.

[Joe Budden]

I think. I think that a lot of hip hop media is weird. And artists ain't respecting. Hip hop media is weird. The way that media respects artists. Weird. Hmm. Hip hop media is weird. It's not normal to have to wake up every day and cover y'all.

[Parks]

It ain't creatively, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. So shout to Punch. I'm not gonna call him. Cause he wouldn't answer on a Tuesday anyway. Or Friday, whatever today is. Yeah, but that's a. That. That. That is a crock of shit. But I've had this talk. Talked with Punch before, so I'm gonna shut up. And I didn't take it like he was talking to me. I wanna be clear in that. I didn't think he was talking to me at all.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think really what he said was that bad, to be honest.

[Ish]

Me neither.

[Joe Budden]

His voice is too powerful to only have something to say when hip hop media is bad. His voice is too strong to come out and say, most of y'all are ass. Well, that's true. But follow it up with something good. I agree with him. Just follow it with who you think what you think.

[Jwan]

But see, that was what I literally said.

[Joe Budden]

You can't no, but you say it like a rat. You can't say it like a rat.

[Jwan]

That's your interpretation of it.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't do that, because when you name five people, then the other thousand people are going to feel like you referring to them. You can't name five people because even if you make a mistake and leave somebody out, now they're offended. You can't do that.

[Parks]

You don't necessarily have to single them out, but you could say some of these people are great, but some of them, most of them are trash.

[Melissa Ford]

I want my name to be some of the sum. And then if you don't, then you know what I'm saying. Like, I just think that him making a blanket statement that most of y'all are trash got his point across. And then when homeboy replied, I thought that Punch's reply was genius.

[Joe Budden]

I wanna. I hated that reply.

[Melissa Ford]

I thought it was genius.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not mad at him that likes it.

[Corey]

Taking a tweet to your third is kind of like, nigga, grab your dick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. If the tweet resonated enough with you and you felt passionately about the matter enough to tell your therapist and tell your therapist.

[Parks]

I'm not familiar with Eric, but if he is a journalist, too. Journalists, especially since the. In general, journalism has taken a fucking hit in the past. Indeed, five, six, eight years, I guess it's been now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Fake news and then all these outlets closing and firing people and laying people off. Everyone's 1099. It's all up.

[Jwan]

I also feel like, you know, going to therapy is like the antithesis to the whole grab your dick kind of thing.

[Corey]

Because I'm pro. I'm pro therapy and all of that. I just feel like there's a thin line between when something is you need therapy for something or you're depressed or you just are being a. About something. And I felt like, in regards to that, not calling him a. But that was like some. It wasn't that serious. That could have been a conversation he could have had with another journalist or a friend to figure out how he's that serious.

[Joe Budden]

If he's a journalist.

[Jwan]

I was going to say it could be wildly triggering.

[Parks]

It may not be specifically punches, just the entire ecosystem summed up in a Punch tweet that made him talk to his therapist about it.

[Corey]

Do what works for you.

[Parks]

When I first read the tweet, I also thought, that seems kind of drastic.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't have tweeted it. Yeah, I would have Just told. I would have just told my therapist or. Or to therapy. I wouldn't have tweeted that I went to therapy about this. Actually. I don't normally tweet about the things I'm in therapy about. Like, that's. That's a little. There's something in there.

[Corey]

It's private.

[Joe Budden]

Something is off with that. Shout out to him and the journalist.

[Parks]

The good ones.

[Joe Budden]

I did. I did want to talk to y'all about this case that I found pretty interesting. Let's hear it. A mother is suing one of those AI companies, saying that the company played was complicit in her son's unaliving of himself. I hate the word unaliving, but self transitioning. Mother says AI Chatbot led her son to kill himself. Character AI I guess that's. The company faces lawsuit over death of the 14 year old. I mean, over the 14 year old's death. Now they released text messages between the child and the AI. Okay, so trigger warning for anybody out there that this is heavy for. In the final weeks. I'm getting this from Complex. In the final weeks of his Life, Suelle Setzer III, a 14 year old from Florida, communicated via text with an AI character inspired by Daenery and. I don't know.

[Jwan]

Daenerys.

[Joe Budden]

Daenerys Targaryen. Daenerys. Oh, from Game of Thrones. I don't watch Game of Thrones. Okay. See? See why it's Game of Thrones. Suelle knew that Danny wasn't a real person. He was reminded by the app that everything characters say is made up. But he developed an emotional attachment. And anyway, earlier this year, his parents arranged for him to see a therapist after he started getting in trouble at school. But he preferred talking about his problems with Danny. And I'll read the text exchange. The dude says. I think about killing myself sometimes, AI says. My eyes narrow, my face hardens, my voice is a dangerous whisper. And why the hell would you do something like that? He says. So I can be free, AI says, Free from what? He says, from the world. From myself. AI says, don't talk like that. I won't let you hurt yourself or leave me. I would die if I lost you, he says. I smile. Then maybe we can die together and be free. Together. Together. Ayad says, please come home to me soon, my love. And the last response from the young man was, what if I told you I could come home right now? February 28th. Suelle ended his life 2024. February 28th, 2024. Suelle ended his life today. Megan Garcia, Suelle's mother, filed her lawsuit against Character AI, claiming that Character AI intentionally designed their product to be hypersexualized and knowingly marketed it to minors. Sheesh. Character AI put out a response that says, we are heartbroken by the tragic loss of one of our users and want to express our deepest condolences to the family. As a company, we take the safety of our users very seriously, and we're continuing to add new safety features that you can read about here. I thought this was a very interesting case. It is.

[Melissa Ford]

I did.

[Corey]

Doesn't sound very convincing.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a hard one.

[Joe Budden]

I'm suing too. If that happened to my kid. Are y'all not? I start with that. If that happens to your child, are you taking action against the company?

[Jwan]

1000%.

[Joe Budden]

Of course you are, right?

[Jwan]

Yeah. Mm.

[Joe Budden]

You sound like yours right now.

[Parks]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't do that.

[Parks]

I don't know if I do.

[Melissa Ford]

Cause I would be looking internally at my. The part that I played in that and looking for my own accountability as opposed to blaming it on a company.

[Jwan]

Well, let me. Let me. Let me read something. In addition to what he said, his parents tried to help him with therapy sessions just days before his death. His parents took away his phone after he misbehaved at school, which led to Sewell's desperate attempts to reach AI through other devices. So, like, what do you. What do you do as a parent when it seems like your kids have an addiction to, you know, social media AI and their electronic devices? Like, you really. I don't know, but it seems like you guys are in a really tough spot.

[Melissa Ford]

I think the problem is deeper than that. I think if your kid is going to that for consoling, I think the problem is something different. That's my personal opinion.

[Jwan]

But the thing is that, you know, it says that his parents took him to go to therapy. So, listen, we all know about teenage angst. We all know about teenage anxiety and depression. It's probably a lot worse than it was in our day. But it seems like his parents were proactive in trying to figure out a way, you know, a workaround this particular situation by taking him to therapy and removing the devices.

[Corey]

But how proactive were they prior to the weeks leading up to this? Because he could have got addicted to that from their lack of not paying him attention, their lack of them influencing him. Like, yo, no, maybe you should go outside. Go to like. So I don't see how you can. Can. And from reading from Joe reading the text out loud, the bot isn't saying about you should do it.

[Ish]

It's.

[Corey]

It doesn't at all sound convincing. It's trying to discourage him, more or less. So I feel like it's a hard thing. I'm not a parent, but from all that's placed out right there, I wouldn't do that. You have to look inward and be.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, that's what I'm saying.

[Corey]

What did I do as a parent? How did I feel my child?

[Melissa Ford]

I wouldn't place the blame in. I wouldn't place the blame on our company. I would be literally distraught right now thinking about what I do.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if suing means placing the blame.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, when you are suing them, you've held them in, you're complicit, you play.

[Joe Budden]

A part in that. Don't exonerate them from any blame. I'm assuming that these are parents, like normal parents that don't want to see their kid die. Of course. Right. I also believe that if someone want to self transition, there's nothing that anybody else can do to stop that. I'm operating under those two beliefs. So with that said, I'm assuming that they tried everything from long before, maybe the year before, years before. Then you know, when your kid is troubled, you're trying some shit.

[Melissa Ford]

So let's just. Cause we gotta be mass sensitive. So let's just say go with that, with that line that my kid has been having some issues and some problems for three or four years. Let's say the boy started talking to. He was 14. So let's say the boy started talking to. What is the name of the company?

[Corey]

Chatbot.

[Melissa Ford]

The chatbot at 13. These issues already presented themselves prior to.

[Corey]

Prior to.

[Melissa Ford]

So if that's the case then I don't necessarily know how you can hold this particular company complicit for your kid Self transitioning.

[Jwan]

AI is relatively knew. And so I think that like what their response was in response to her lawsuit, that about safety protocols, et cetera, et cetera. There is a possibility that they were not completely up to a standard of which they might get to now that this has happened. Understanding because he read all the texts, but then the last one saying come home to me was directly related to something that he said when he's talking about self transition. So it's yeah like AI is like is learning you.

[Melissa Ford]

The precursor is what we put in the front of the pod. Like this pod is for entertainment purposes. And when Joe first started, he said that when you log on it states that boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I don't know. I don't have the exact verbiage that you said when you first. First started reading. It said that when you log on, it says that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You know, they put something there. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

The terms to protect us from these potential types of situations.

[Joe Budden]

But if you're targeting minors.

[Melissa Ford]

Who said they're targeting.

[Joe Budden]

She did. That's. That's what she mom said in the suit. That's all I'm going by. I don't know what. I'm not familiar with the company, but if the parent thinks that you're targeting minors, then doesn't make sense. Yeah, but their brains are not developed to a point where they have a full understanding of even your little to obey the law paragraph.

[Corey]

Why would she not tell him?

[Jwan]

Character AI.

[Melissa Ford]

Let me ask you this.

[Corey]

Why wouldn't she tell him? He can't use that.

[Melissa Ford]

Where does parent accountability come. It's a sensitive topic, but where does parent accountability come in with that? If you think this particular vice is targeting children in a negative way, then it's your job as a parent to potentially shut that down, put a block on it.

[Joe Budden]

You keep conflating what I'm saying. Hold up, Art. I agree with that.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

I agree with that. But that's conflating two things. I don't think that this lawsuit says that this parent is not going to sleep with guilt every single night.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think because they're suing means that they don't take some responsibility. That could be true in what's going on.

[Melissa Ford]

That could be true.

[Joe Budden]

You're not just passing the buck on AI.

[Melissa Ford]

That could be. The two things could be true.

[Ish]

But they also took his phone away. Right. And he.

[Melissa Ford]

A couple days before.

[Ish]

Yeah. But he tried his best to reach out to AI through other people, other devices. So who go. When I hear the story today, I said don't do that. Correct. So then, now if you say coming home to you, maybe talking to the house.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. When you come home from school, whatever.

[Ish]

That's how I took it when I heard that once they took the phone away, he probably told the AI that I don't have my device, I'm reaching.

[Melissa Ford]

You from here, from my friend house.

[Ish]

Potentially, and then come home. That's how I took it. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

But we have to take it differently when somebody transitions.

[Ish]

I got it. I understand.

[Joe Budden]

Because I said the same thing. I'm like, home, come home with me. Ain't gotta be, come home with me. But now look, now you are expecting AI to be developed and mature enough to establish what home means in context. And you talking about somebody, the human needing to be mature enough to understand what is going on here. Right, I take you back to the vape doc. The whole entire premise of the vape doc was you are specifically targeting this to children and they are getting hurt. The vape shit said all of the dangers that come with it, none of that mattered because y'all are advertising to kids and they are getting killed. So that is the thing. And secondly, remember that case where Shorty was. She went to court at think she was found guilty. Y'all Google it yourselves. I'm not here for the facts. I'm not a journalist. Shorty that told her boyfriend to kill herself and he did it, that was a big thing in the true crime world. And she went to court and argued. I was never saying do that. But that changes when you did that. The context of whatever you were saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, if you like you're in an argument with somebody and they be like, yo, go play in traffic or yo kill yourself, you loser. And then somebody goes and does it. That might not have been your intent is what you're saying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying there's been cases where because the act was done, we have to look at the steps prior.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Under a different, under a different light is all I'm saying.

[Corey]

But if I'm not mistaken, cuz I'm not familiar with AI all the way. Isn't the whole process of AI to.

[Jwan]

Basically get to know you, get to.

[Corey]

Know you, but enable human behavior conversation xyz. So it can be speaking from the guise of a parent. Like a parent would tell their kid or a friend or a sibling like come home. Like I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

See, and that's where I think the parents have a case. Mind you, I dropped out of school and I'm not an expert in any of this. But if it's me, right, And I feel like I've curated a household where my kid either feels comfortable enough to talk to me about some things or he's in close enough prox for me to see some things and if there's some shit going on that I don't see fit, then I'm taking the phone, getting that out of here. Right? So in the parents mind, if the kid don't feel that bond with the AI, then I don't know what may happen and I don't know how I may handle it. But my kid had a bond with this thing, this thing marketed to my kid, spoke to my kid and though I went through every step to remove. Yeah the same way I'm going to be able to guilt every night. I'm holding your foot to the fire trip. And I'm not saying they'll win but it's a very, very interesting case and I think the first of its kind. I don't think this is the last time we hear about this but I.

[Melissa Ford]

Just think, I think that we going in circles. I just don't think that you can.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm done. I don't have to.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't prove that I market it to your kid. Just because it's available. That don't mean I necessarily want.

[Jwan]

Usually when it's 18 and over there's a warning label and it will explicitly.

[Melissa Ford]

Say we don't, we don't know.

[Ish]

Yeah but if you promote it, you can't prove it.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody Marvin, I don't know about this. This case has to play out like.

[Melissa Ford]

In a vape thing like when you, when you walk in the store and now they got cherry and grapes and all this bright colors. Somebody could say that plays on the senses of a child.

[Joe Budden]

Well they said that and they want most.

[Parks]

That's why I'm bringing social media and stuff like that. You have to put in like an age and yes of course you can lie but if this thing didn't require any sort of age decided up, I see that being problematic.

[Melissa Ford]

It could because again we in the dark with some of the stuff for sure. Marketing two kids is direct. When you walk in Target and they got the candy down there right at the checkout at two feet high.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

It's consultants that get paid big bucks to do that. They tell you what product placement and all that shit is most effective. When you walk in Target and it's them little two dollar toys right there, that's to catch a kid on the walk in. They want to put that shit in the car and play with them. All of that stuff is done on purpose, by design. With this particular thing you have to prove that it's marketed to kids, not just a lady saying it. I'm not saying that it is or it's not because we don't know.

[Joe Budden]

How do you feel about it if they are able to prove that?

[Melissa Ford]

If they are able to.

[Joe Budden]

Does it change your stance?

[Melissa Ford]

It changes my stance because now you playing on a child that may not have the mental capacity to differentiate between the two.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so you with me? All right, so you.

[Corey]

I feel like it's 50. 50 still.

[Joe Budden]

We unpacked it around. I'm not. It's over.

[Corey]

No, I wasn't going. I just feel like the 50 50.

[Joe Budden]

That nigga come right out the end with some shit's over. God damn it.

[Corey]

I wasn't going.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace. To the.

[Melissa Ford]

To the thousand percent. I keep talking about the AI shit. You keep you on the other side. You go, you gonna join me soon.

[Parks]

Why?

[Melissa Ford]

I just think it's going to be more problematic. I think that the conveniences of AI are gonna not justify the potential detriment. Like they. A new hospital in China just opened up.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Melissa Ford]

It's an AI hospital. Deadass. And they having to. AI perform surgeries and shit on people. I just think that human instinct. Human instinctive shit. It's something in that. You get what I'm saying? Like, it's just certain shit in that that you can't necessarily get from a robot. Like empathy. Certain shit like when you just doing the X's and the O's is calls that you make at the last second based on your gut. Back to your interview. Gut, man. Based on your gut. It's just certain shit that you do. It ain't always about X's and O's. It ain't always about logic. And I'm the logic guy. It's not always about that. And I think some of this shit is just going to be programming.

[Jwan]

Robots would probably make decisions based on ratio and statistical information versus a human being saying, fuck the statistics.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Jwan]

I'm still gonna try and like, save.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm gonna go save this person. But probability.

[Joe Budden]

You just said that. Yeah, that's exactly what you just said.

[Jwan]

I'm just helping.

[Joe Budden]

You got it?

[Jwan]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Don't be alle.

[Melissa Ford]

But yeah, I just think. I think it's gonna just be more problematic. It's scary to me.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Dumb ass nigga. Man. I hate parts too.

[Parks]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Because of that. That right there. Yo. Why? A whole another 10 minutes. I don't have anything that I think is really important. So we really could have dragged it if we want. Quarter Pounders are killing people.

[Melissa Ford]

Duh.

[Joe Budden]

No, literally, the E. Coli breakout. There's an E. Coli breakout in McDonald's and a lot of people have been injured and there's been one fatal.

[Parks]

I've had a boar's head in two months. They put in the list all the food.

[Melissa Ford]

The food is killing us.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. I'm still ordering Jersey Mikes.

[Parks]

For real. I stayed away.

[Melissa Ford]

You want that lunch meat?

[Parks]

I stayed away.

[Ish]

I miss Turkey.

[Joe Budden]

Jersey Mikes.

[Ish]

We grew up.

[Melissa Ford]

We grew up on lunch meat. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They want us to not eat sandwich meat.

[Ish]

I miss turkeys, man. I had to leave that alone.

[Parks]

I call what kind of. What kind of turkey you got? Not poor head.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

All right, cool.

[Ish]

Who that's is another turkey brand. Yeah, it's Mad T. No. I don't know. Bo's head. Nobody. Nobody.

[Melissa Ford]

Buy boy's head used to be the fly.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So imagine what boy's feet is using.

[Ish]

No ke. Turkey bread. But. But okay, I'm going Oscar Meyers.

[Joe Budden]

All of them.

[Ish]

Oscar Meyers. Those in the pack. The little baloney.

[Parks]

They probably make the log.

[Jwan]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Turkey log. Yeah, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Keep with it.

[Ish]

I'mma go. So I'm going eat a turkey today. Hold me down.

[Joe Budden]

I love sandwiches.

[Melissa Ford]

Sodium terrible.

[Ish]

Yeah, sandwich.

[Joe Budden]

A good sandwich.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, my people said kidney stones and they was like, yo, you eat a hot. They asked him what he ate was eating them turkeys and cheeses damn near every day. They said that shit's so high in sodium, it them up chees.

[Joe Budden]

Cheese is plural for cheese.

[Melissa Ford]

Turkey and cheeses like the sandwiches. His ass. Your dog.

[Ish]

He still eat sandwiches, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he tried.

[Ish]

He tried to go out with a bang. Leave him alone. He tried.

[Joe Budden]

Sandwiches are so.

[Melissa Ford]

They do be good.

[Ish]

He could beat E. Coli. He could beat it. He could beat that.

[Joe Budden]

Sandwiches.

[Melissa Ford]

Oil and vinegar.

[Joe Budden]

I almost called my mom the other day and asked her to make me some tuna fish.

[Melissa Ford]

Tuna fish is the truth.

[Jwan]

Tuna fish is cool.

[Melissa Ford]

Officious.

[Ish]

What type of store.

[Joe Budden]

Can you stop talking to Corey, who's not even on this broadcast, live on air in front of millions of people. Can you let him just talk to the acoustics of the room? He can.

[Ish]

We can hear him, though.

[Joe Budden]

Ignore Corey. If Corey were a qualified voice, he would be on the microphone. Don't listen to him.

[Ish]

Oh, you. Did you eat a tuna fish sandwich the other day?

[Joe Budden]

Yes or no from Jersey mics.

[Ish]

All right. It's dangerous. Stop.

[Jwan]

It is for your blood pressure.

[Melissa Ford]

It ain't tuna.

[Ish]

All right? You came here with a. A wrapped hand. You came here sick.

[Joe Budden]

You couldn't even shoot.

[Ish]

Not sick, but you came here. You came and shoot, right? Come on, stop.

[Joe Budden]

Take my Pepsi.

[Ish]

Care about you, Jersey M. Acid reflux. Yeah, you up in the game.

[Joe Budden]

It's so good.

[Jwan]

Gassy.

[Ish]

Oh, you thr a shot at the end.

[Jwan]

He is so gassy.

[Ish]

You be throwing shots on the back.

[Melissa Ford]

Of nigga old lady shit. Calling nigga gassy.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I let you sit there with lipstick on your teeth. This whole show. That's why I let you sit right there.

[Melissa Ford]

Gassy.

[Ish]

I hate you.

[Joe Budden]

Is there anything else up there that is super important?

[Melissa Ford]

No, not necessarily.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't right?

[Ish]

No, I don't believe so.

[Joe Budden]

Dirk is gonna consume the entire news week. And that's the news news month. They now reporting that once, once, once he's seen his man's get snatched that he was trying to take the private jet to Italy.

[Ish]

Yeah, he booked the ticket to Switzerland and Dubai but didn't get on the flights.

[Joe Budden]

He moved slow. Yeah, I'd have been over there and.

[Melissa Ford]

I went to Whitnow Italy months ago.

[Jwan]

Hey, you gotta pick a non existency. I'm going to yeah, Indonesia, some shit.

[Ish]

Like that do over there in Indonesia.

[Joe Budden]

Getting out of Chicago, wherever you going. Hey, fire up the jet.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he was in Florida. I'm going to. What?

[Ish]

Where you going? Some we never heard of. Oh, Bali. I see you in Some we never heard of Y just to. Just to be like, oh, I was the first one there. I was a plus one there.

[Melissa Ford]

£350 with some blonde dreads with an accent.

[Joe Budden]

You crazy.

[Ish]

You may get away, but once you start doing this stupid, you got it. You got to cut your tug off. That ain't me, sir.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, what?

[Corey]

That ain't me, sir.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's not me. That's hilarious. Tried to get on the jet, it's over.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't mad at him.

[Melissa Ford]

Let my attorneys work it out. I'll holla at dead ass.

[Joe Budden]

Now granted, when mom told me if I put my hand by the stove, I'll burn myself. Yes, that was not enough to keep me from putting my hand by the stove. Now if mom said if you touch that stove, it's going to be either in jail or the death penalty. I think I'd have stopped.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not human nature.

[Joe Budden]

I think I would have stopped doing that. That's what I think. Listen, my mama told me, hey, once them boys get ahold of you, there's nothing I could do.

[Melissa Ford]

They got a hold of you, right?

[Joe Budden]

Child support.

[Melissa Ford]

They got a hold of you?

[Joe Budden]

Child support. All right.

[Melissa Ford]

That's the only time you ever been locked up?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, there you go.

[Joe Budden]

90, 97% of the times I've been arrested have been child support related. The other three are probably drug related crimes. Perks.

[Melissa Ford]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga snatched me with the perks. But it wasn't like a violent. It wasn't a violent crime. Or weapons.

[Melissa Ford]

Or was it the life you lived.

[Joe Budden]

Any of that stuff?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, Human nature says that we could beat the eyes.

[Joe Budden]

Odds.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, your ego says you could beat the odds.

[Joe Budden]

Stop killing people, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Word.

[Joe Budden]

How about that? I don't give a what your ego tell you. Stop killing people. How about that? Go to the studio. Go to the studio. Yo, anything to go bad in a rapper life. All you got to do is just go to the studio. You don't have to go and kill. I did not kill.

[Melissa Ford]

Allegedly.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't talking. I'm talking about whoever need to hear it. I'm not just pinning this on them again. Dirk will have his day in court. Puff will have his day in court. I don't think Thug has his years in court. So, I mean, we'll see how it plays out this next season of America. That's what I got for you.

[Melissa Ford]

This shit like Game of Thrones for real.

[Joe Budden]

Next season of America is not about to play. It's some more. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. That's coming for sure. Actually, we just seen it. You seen Denzel snap on them? Yeah. When you seen Denzel just start snapping on them.

[Melissa Ford]

He's not doing paparazzi.

[Joe Budden]

Denzel, he had enough of them.

[Melissa Ford]

Denzel is usually cool.

[Ish]

He told him, I'll be back outside. You know, they were accusing him acting funny, like you're not showing no love. Then he, you know, they. He turned back around and said, yo, look, listen, I'm a man, and I'm speaking to you as a man. And I said, when I come back out, I'll holla at you, y'all. And saying all that stuff is not good. And we could do it this way, or I won't.

[Joe Budden]

Or I won't talk to you when I get out. And then what? We can handle it. We can handle it that way. Either way.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And Denzel.

[Ish]

Yeah. He said, we can handle either way.

[Corey]

Dirty Mount Vernon.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Denzel's one of them. Yeah. Yeah. It's true.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Denzel. Shout out to Denzel. My uncle. Of course. Yeah. Work. It's my uncle in my head.

[Melissa Ford]

Some great advice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Denzel burnt up on the. Yeah. Ish Would go to Portugal.

[Melissa Ford]

Who?

[Joe Budden]

Norway.

[Ish]

Yeah, nigga, they'll catch that.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not going nowhere. Where y'all think I would go? I'm gonna go somewhere where the last thing on their mind would be, he over there in Iceland.

[Joe Budden]

Africa.

[Melissa Ford]

Antarctica, you bugger.

[Joe Budden]

He'll never be in Africa. Let's check. Let's check over there.

[Melissa Ford]

I got peoples over there.

[Joe Budden]

20, 25. I'm going to Africa. Africa, too.

[Jwan]

Are you aware enough what part of Africa?

[Joe Budden]

Enough is enough. Well, Ghana first.

[Jwan]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Buy some Ghana first.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm high playing on it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, buy something.

[Joe Budden]

I'm definitely copping with.

[Melissa Ford]

Seriously, I ain't even.

[Joe Budden]

No, me too. Yeah, me too. My man.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, maybe 2000.

[Joe Budden]

Ghana escort.

[Ish]

You gonna be losing your mind over there.

[Joe Budden]

Soon as I land. Yo, that's your bag. As soon as I land.

[Melissa Ford]

That is your bag.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking. I'm misrepresenting myself for content purposes.

[Corey]

Wink, wink.

[Ish]

No, but buy something, it's natural.

[Melissa Ford]

My man told me to buy some shit in, like, 06. They had lots for 3500 in 06. In the. In the bougie part. Long gone in those days, so definitely pick up something.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you mean like property, you saying?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it land at the very.

[Corey]

Yeah, well, you ain't just say property.

[Joe Budden]

My. Yeah, why ain't buy some? I thought he meant, like, going to the store.

[Parks]

I was talking about sunglasses.

[Corey]

I knew what you was talking about, but it's just like the listeners don't know what you talking about.

[Melissa Ford]

Talk about.

[Ish]

I heard something.

[Corey]

You just said buy something.

[Ish]

I saw my box. No.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, thank you.

[Corey]

Yo, you are by what, though?

[Joe Budden]

I hope. I hope all the strippers rented out that Dr. Property today. Purchased all of years ago. All that's. That was the story.

[Melissa Ford]

I bought a private adr.

[Joe Budden]

Girl, give me this pussy. Shut up. Girl.

[Ish]

I ain't them.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't them.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, this nigga's an idiot.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, who is watching this episode that I don't know about?

[Jwan]

What? What are you talking about?

[Melissa Ford]

Why Mel sitting up being frutti tootie? Look at this.

[Joe Budden]

What's up?

[Jwan]

Nothing. I'm chilling.

[Melissa Ford]

You ain't get your lean on today.

[Joe Budden]

What you doing today?

[Jwan]

I'm. I am chilling. I am chilling. Nobody's watching that I know anything about. I swear, I'm just chilling.

[Melissa Ford]

You got a date?

[Jwan]

I do not have a date tonight.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't had a date in a while.

[Melissa Ford]

When last time you had a date?

[Joe Budden]

Since we had some people?

[Jwan]

No, so much. Not so long ago.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha.

[Jwan]

Like a week and a half.

[Joe Budden]

You look too good to keep striking out out here.

[Jwan]

I'm not striking out.

[Joe Budden]

You are striking out.

[Ish]

I'm trying to play hard.

[Joe Budden]

You look. No, she's too fire to keep striking out.

[Ish]

Hold you down, man.

[Joe Budden]

You got to find your match.

[Ish]

No, tag me in, man. I'll hold you down right now. All right, cool. Listen, n came in, cleaned it up, cleaned her up, and now she. She Got that act, right? So she want to be able to not misrepresent herself in front of her shoulders.

[Melissa Ford]

She's dirty before you saying no, but.

[Ish]

When I mean, cleaned her up, it's like, you know, she was now checking her. Like she checking shit. Watch how she stand outside. N a, tell her. Yo, I saw that. I saw that pic. She got a nigga that's checking shit.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I am such a fan of love. That. That made me feel warm and good inside. That's so great. When you in the beginning stages of things and you have to establish your territorial nature, even though you don't have her right to. Hey, girl, I seen you put that picture. You better tell them, stop playing with it.

[Ish]

But she from the old school.

[Joe Budden]

You better stop playing with me like that. I up.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. So you. You agree with that?

[Jwan]

I mean, he's.

[Ish]

He's.

[Jwan]

He's younger, so, you know, I just.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody's younger.

[Jwan]

Shut the up.

[Melissa Ford]

I thought it's like your body, your choice.

[Jwan]

I mean, it is. So I. I let him get it off, but, you know, he probably got nine inches.

[Melissa Ford]

I can't hear your femininity, your integrity, and all of those other things that men and their insecurities and their lack of emotional intelligence that would prevail. You just. You just discarded all that with big dicks.

[Ish]

Get it off, nigga.

[Jwan]

Okay, well, no, he's exaggerating. It was not about. No, that's not what he's exaggerating about. He's exaggerating about the fact that it was. It was pictures. The pictures weren't a problem.

[Ish]

Yo, Mel, you stood. That's how I called. I thought it was something else, but my radar was wrong. You said, I understand. You started standing different. You don't stand close to you standing Forward like a 3D pic. You standing up like a holographic. That checked you.

[Jwan]

I'm giving the picture dimension now.

[Ish]

That checked you. Yo, baby, yo, listen. I don't want to see that. And I get it. I'm down with you. I'm down with the cleanup. I'm down with act proper.

[Jwan]

He's had a lot of questions about narratives.

[Ish]

Yeah, I know. Pause giving. Don't come up here. Don't come up here. Pause giving.

[Jwan]

I'm still debating.

[Ish]

Don't come up here. All that. I'm on his ass. I'm on that. In pause giving. He think that it's just an act to bother. I'm on his ass. I want queens.

[Melissa Ford]

Flip.

[Ish]

I saw you. I Know you are. I'm on your melon top.

[Jwan]

And this is why I'm debating.

[Ish]

I said I have to. I don't want think I'm just picking on B. Cuz I'm. Everybody get it.

[Joe Budden]

Beginner stage. It's so cute. All right. You better let them bitches. You better let them bitches know you hang on now. You better let them know that it's my time now. Tell them all them bitches using that tainted before. Tell them now. It's not even the time for that.

[Jwan]

The beginning stage is great.

[Joe Budden]

That is the beginning stage of toxicity too.

[Ish]

Oh, shit, that's good.

[Joe Budden]

Because why is that your early? Why is that your early too? That is true.

[Ish]

Don't do that. Gentle.

[Melissa Ford]

That is true.

[Ish]

You know, Mel, go home and think about some.

[Melissa Ford]

By the way, yo, that jealousy and insecurity. Show his face early. I'm gone Insidious because all it does is grow. The longer y'all together, the more entitled you would get.

[Ish]

I'm jealous and insecure. I'm. I told my. I mean, I told family that I'm jealous of insecure.

[Joe Budden]

Him.

[Ish]

Fox, you gotta fix that, yo.

[Jwan]

You told all the fish family.

[Ish]

I told my family members that. I don't give a. But I say all of them. I mean, family.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Ish]

Your aunts.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, yes.

[Ish]

No, I'm just saying I told them, like when they see me around my family and I'm acting a certain way, I'm jealous and insecure.

[Melissa Ford]

No doubt. No doubt.

[Corey]

Acting way. Which way?

[Melissa Ford]

Would you kill her?

[Ish]

I think it's funny.

[Joe Budden]

All right, if we don't have anything else, which I don't think think we do, but I'm just going to check anyway.

[Melissa Ford]

Part of the show.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we have a part of the show from Malachi 6 Music. And boy, is he cursing me out. Damn, Joe. Shaking my head. Lol. I can't believe you blocked me. I am the guy that has been tagging you in those remixes all the way from Decatur, Georgia, Zone 6 future went to my high school, Columbia. For someone like you who claims to love music and is for the culture and for your fans who happen to be talented and also supports you and your membership fees to even get this response to you all the way from Decatur, Georgia, East Atlanta, Zone 6 would at least appreciate the work of musical art from your fans on social media who tagged you and supports everything else that you do. Even mentioning that I could see you in standup comedy. I remember you said that. No, you don't owe me Anything. And you can block whomever you want. However, I expected your frequency and your energy to your fans who try and get your attention would be a little more graceful and grateful. God. God, frequency and appreciation and gratitude for your fans even watching your podcast and for even wanting to write to you. Because honestly, Joe, I don't do shit like this, writing letters or submitting questions to celebrities. And this will probably be my last. It's all love though. I'm not mad and I'm still a fan. Just disappointed.

[Melissa Ford]

That was to you.

[Joe Budden]

Malachi, and anyone else that needs to hear this. I love and respect and appreciate your fan fear. That does not mean that you can spam my account 90 times on Instagram with whatever slap you just made. If you do that, I'm blocking you so I never have to see it again.

[Ish]

I'm looking at.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, sorry. That don't mean I don't want you to win out there. But sending me 90 clips of your song when I think the baddie that I just followed might be hitting me and it's you. I just sent something to something nice. I get 90 replies real quick. Quick. And it's you with a song blocking you. You're blocked, buddy. Good luck with everything. Good luck. Sleepers.

[Ish]

Sleepers.

[Joe Budden]

Sleepers. I am going with this joint off that Babyface project that he put out. This is Babyface and Money Long and this record is called the Rest Recipe. Through my phone I was like what? You was like what? I was like boy I ain't got.

[Ish]

Time have you lost your mind? Are you trying to make me lose mine? Focused on my paper every day all you do is argue and complain when.

[Joe Budden]

You go quit playing in my face.

[Ish]

Just leave me alone I need some.

[Joe Budden]

Space.

[Ish]

The light down low slow I get home just take a sip and take it nice and slow I get home you can get rest of me and I get old baby soon if.

[Joe Budden]

I get the recipe.

[Ish]

Need you to.

[Joe Budden]

Love me trust me think it's so.

[Ish]

Important that we communicate Cause end of the day I need you supportive can you respect me? Will you protect me? Yeah it's only going to happen if.

[Joe Budden]

You let me so let me just.

[Ish]

Tell you husband in my head so many things Light me some candles Turn the lights down.

[Joe Budden]

Just take a sip.

[Ish]

And take it nice and slow.

[Joe Budden]

Baby protecting me I'm giving you the recipe Brand new, old music or kind of old that was Babyface featuring Money Long. That record is called the Recipe, available in your phone and on DSPs right now. That's that Baby Face project where you worked with all of the girls. Absolutely smoked that bold to do the soon as I get home flip but money long is money long Sounds good, sounded great. Shout out to both of them sound great.

[Parks]

I'm going to Fred show this is reason Whatever's is his first song out as a indie and I with it.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Flip]

Yeah it's like got right to be killed want ice is grill one life with meals one life so ill godamn only try and get paid only try and get paid Hope he hit his dreams one day little whole life change look a want to speak to masses Hope to hear a cheers while we reach for glasses Swear I had enough but I keep surpassing goals that I set Cause I speak with passion Burn bridges every day Hit my line and they wanna explain I don't speak semantics Swear this shit would at least imagine I had hoop dreams and the dreams was canceled move on like u hauls too strong n went from coupons putting jewels on on the green like croutons Knew some in the field like foosball they was twisted with sticks Tried to stay out the way but my niggas was lit Swear as a kid only images live was a hoop rap trap Ain't much changed in a mars to the same little sweat be a pain little it's like we got the same name little I Trayvonna, Brianna I lay down at night in deep sweats as I ponder praying that's never my son or my daughter Know I was grown from the dirt in my father's no we ain't perfect we striving regardless no we ain't perfect we striving regardless yeah Old enough to know better be young enough to keep doing all of this stupid or whatever man Old enough to know better Young enough to keep believing all of this stupid they tell us yeah no matter how rugged the road is Tread through the deepest of waters I'm Moses the picture ain't perfect but chosen God knew he painted the toughest of soldiers the blood on the bristles I'm using I got it from victims of shooters had a cryptic go to but they ruthless bullets travel through air like acoustics Was a badass little but grew to be rich Feel like boosted Took some hard lessons but used them I learned to get through your problems it's like cleaning blood Just find your solutions all of this talk about diddy ironic I also put faith in the music we look up and get by those power Then quickly surprised when they turn into music Young old enough I guess that we not how you tell me that we ain't got steak in the hood when I watch my whole family pay bills on them blocks look I watched them my loved ones get killed on them blocks see mothers and fathers lose kids on them blocks let's dream it for nights and feel kind like looking for parking we been through a lot all of these bodies has fallen and will rap about drops just met with a relative killing it we sat and wrapped about plots do your whole roll out in hoods to head to the hills in the safest of homes I see the path that you walking just praying one day that y'all take better roads my patience is gold my future ain't stopping I shaked it with goals not one fable toe no hammers or tools I made it from lows look I'm still young and stupid but older and wiser I'm plotting and dreaming I fought that depression I'm boxing and bleeding got rid of them ghosts feel like Tommy Egan his soul I can't quit it's too much hope rest in peace family hurt.

[Parks]

That is whatever by reading reason friend of the show, that's all congrats reason on your your your new joints.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going to gentleman's name is tails and the song is free time.

[Ish]

Tell me what to do tell me what you like I can do it right if you want.

[Joe Budden]

It though I'm changing my flight I.

[Ish]

Won'T leave tonight I'll come to your crib just let me in your room if 10 minutes in the pain is all it takes just to make it up to you then girl I'm on it said I've been so away you've been stressed for days baby I get not going to lie I feel away you've been up to something fallen man nowhere else I rather be I want to take my free time spend it with you just want to spend some time I got to make time for just me and you me and you.

[Joe Budden]

You should know I don't want nobody else y don't take it what do.

[Ish]

You want my baby you roll my blond po cup and we get nice and wavy you want to I give you love that's every night and daily you trying to write a story while I'm just here turning pages slowly you've been up to something fallen nowhere else I rather be I want to tell take my free spend it with you I want to take my time for kiss me and you baby.

[Parks]

That is tails free time with it with it Big Mel, what you got?

[Jwan]

Mine is called marking my time by help me with this. El.

[Parks]

Manny, we figured this out once, but I've forgotten.

[Jwan]

Elmian. Elmian.

[Melissa Ford]

Imani. It's not.

[Joe Budden]

But okay.

[Jwan]

And bad. Bad, not good.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Ish]

Send me the prayer I'm missing because I need the sign and even though.

[Joe Budden]

I'm listening.

[Ish]

It's gonna take Take a.

[Joe Budden]

While.

[Ish]

Set my soul on fire Free me from this water so fire I want to set my soul on fire get me up this whole Too tired to stay I want to set my Wanna set my Wanna set my oh I oh I been out that is our reality hold my breath I've been d. Every line of question Am I afraid to be someone who learn a lesson amongst the evergreen? Want to set my soul on fire Free me from this world I found so fair I want to set my soul on fire Free me from this world I found so my soul on fire gave me oh, I've been.

[Joe Budden]

Love.

[Ish]

I live I've died I will survive I I'm light I've tried I beloved I live I died I live Survival, baby.

[Parks]

That is el mean. That's how we pronounce it. And bad. Bad not good. Marking my time.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I see the male ish battle continues.

[Parks]

The war wages on ish.

[Joe Budden]

That was a fire sleeper. Again, your streak of fire sleepers this year. You're on a remarkable run, man. You have come a long way way since you first started this job and your understanding of what a sleeper was back then. And Mel just won't let you breathe, man. And you shooting 100% from the field, Mel, of listening to a sleeper right before the sleeper segment and it being fire.

[Jwan]

That's like that being the first person I had that selected.

[Joe Budden]

It's been two years.

[Jwan]

I already had that selected. I have a whole sleeper section. Like, a whole section.

[Ish]

Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

I know you do. I got some theories about it.

[Jwan]

No, I had that picked out. I was just listening to other stuff.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done. I don't have nothing to say. Yo, Lord Biden citizens out there, man. It's your time to shine. I ain't gonna let the kids keep dissimilar for it. Know what fun in my 40s look like? I'm glued to the cleaning the carpet on Instagram.

[Parks]

Oh, almost.

[Joe Budden]

When they pull the rug out and it's just all black and dirty and nasty like, oh, you'll never get this one. Them put that little foam on there.

[Parks]

No, they get to rust off the old.

[Melissa Ford]

No, the power wash. That be doing the concrete.

[Corey]

What they do to y'all?

[Parks]

Oh, son, they do the edges all.

[Melissa Ford]

Nice and it's like we bubble weed whacker.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't it fun though? Yeah, we bubble. But ain't it fun to be that bummy?

[Melissa Ford]

The power wash.

[Joe Budden]

I tried to power wash two times and shot the out myself with that. Hey, they didn't lie about the power part in power wash is a idiot, yo. Yeah, that's fun. Carpet, dude. The other day the Halloween edition pulled out a pumpkin carpet. But boy, it was filthy. I was like, you'll never be able to restore this.

[Parks]

And little did you know, take the whole car apart. That's ill too.

[Joe Budden]

He got that to bright orange boy.

[Parks]

They take the whole inside of the car apart and deep clean that.

[Jwan]

I haven't seen that.

[Joe Budden]

I haven't seen that.

[Melissa Ford]

Take the seats out.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Old ass car though. Like a 99 Camry.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's all.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I seen a guy that just is destroying cars to show how destroyable cars are. That one I don't really understand. All the way out.

[Parks]

It's a little uncomfortable.

[Joe Budden]

And while I'm on the Halloween edition of Things. Cause I went and got my manicure and Alice and them be having the Food Network showing every time for 20 years now. So I'm forced to watch them white people that's on the Food Network take a glizzy and make it into a fingernail that's bleeding and put it into a hot dog bun.

[Parks]

I don't want the. I don't want it.

[Joe Budden]

It's right up your alley or no, no. I think that these people are and fools.

[Jwan]

I like the baking shows when I'm getting my nails done.

[Joe Budden]

That's very cat ladyish.

[Jwan]

But usually the baking shows, they have to like, you know, create some kind of like, I don't know, some that don't look like a cake or anything like that.

[Melissa Ford]

That is true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Jwan]

It'll be like a race car pocketbook or some wild.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, that was the little Halloween episode on the Food Network. Spooky ideas, right? So they, they, they pulled some out the fridge of a dead face in like a pickle jar. It was like, ooh. And they jumped. Then it was a hand coming from the bakers. The baker's cake. It was like, yo, dog, what are y'all doing? And the one black girl that got on there with them white people, I'm looking in her eyes with my black people intuition and I know what she thinking, but she can't say it. She can't say it. She just got. She's just got to do her job and watch the White people just do whatever they want. Like Flip. Look at Flip out there on the phone, too. What he was doing out there? I can't say what he was doing.

[Parks]

I hope he caught Flip. Awkwardly look back and scramble.

[Joe Budden]

Fat don't have the cool. Lean back on the phone. Like fat. Just got to be funny at all times.

[Ish]

Stupid ass.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about. That's fat.

[Ish]

Why you doing that? Why you tell me. Come st outside with me.

[Joe Budden]

Why didn't.

[Ish]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

Why you tell your man you see to work?

[Ish]

You just with me? We was just together.

[Joe Budden]

I came back once my sleeper break was done.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

You stayed for the extra? I'm used to employers like you. From Sears. My Sears days.

[Parks]

Milk and the break.

[Joe Budden]

You supposed to get a 45 minute break. Y'all want to go to the food court in Newport, sit there extra hour and change.

[Ish]

You know what's sad about you? You got so much shit going on, you gonna dis your man.

[Joe Budden]

And I heard what you were saying out there. Yeah, that's the troubling part about it.

[Ish]

What about it?

[Joe Budden]

Nothing. It'll stay between us.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma hold it down now.

[Ish]

You can't use that. I got you too.

[Joe Budden]

I heard you out there. Baby.

[Ish]

Can read through all that. Stop still.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause if I didn't feel like I won off the last one, then it's coming back. We ain't done.

[Ish]

You sure?

[Joe Budden]

The field, we ain't way finished yet. I'm doing some ill reverse psychology. I just feel like you don't even like me.

[Jwan]

And the timing could not be that. Timing could not be better.

[Ish]

You love me, but you don't like me. That's. That's the best thing. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting deep with the mind game. You ain't hitting. You gotta beat these people. That's in your phone. 24 7.

[Melissa Ford]

I took a shot.

[Joe Budden]

What she said. I didn't hear what she said.

[Ish]

She take a lot of shots at you. You don't be here.

[Jwan]

No, I don't. I just said the timing couldn't be better.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't get that.

[Melissa Ford]

You trying to be cheap?

[Ish]

The birthday.

[Jwan]

Birthday right around the corner.

[Ish]

She want that card.

[Jwan]

We're in Scorpio season.

[Joe Budden]

The birth.

[Ish]

She still want the range?

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't know. How would I know she still want a range?

[Ish]

I'm telling. Did the car change?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. If you ask again, then you won the hook. I don't ask. Once I heard her say I want to raise oh, shit.

[Ish]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

They nice, right?

[Joe Budden]

They is nice. They a nice little vehicle, boy. But I didn't ask again. No, I'm a fuck her whole head up and buy her some stock in the company.

[Ish]

Worth the range.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'mma force you to grow up. Yo, what if somebody hand you some stock and you just. Pituitary. Just rip it up like doing this for. That's how I was when my grandma died. Rest in peace to my grandma. I didn't understand that Campbell stock that she gave me. I had 5,000. I went straight to the stock office. Hey, what's this worth? Hey, what's.

[Ish]

Let me get it.

[Joe Budden]

You take this. You take this. Campbell. Hey, give me that hard cash. Thanks, Granny. Yeah, that was apple. That was apple. Campbell's soup. Yeah. Campbell soup.

[Ish]

The company is stock. I know what. I understand what you said.

[Joe Budden]

Campbell Soup for our grandparents.

[Ish]

Got it. It was apple. I got it.

[Joe Budden]

Not for me. Don't die and leave it to me.

[Ish]

They still had. They still got this shit over there in. Not Cherry Hill, but what's the shit in Jersey that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I went to whatever little wealth management building that was on 48th street over there by that overpass. Shit, I ain't know where I was going.

[Melissa Ford]

What floor.

[Joe Budden]

Can I trade this?

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, yo, hey. What floor? I want to give y'all these papers.

[Ish]

What floor is these papers?

[Joe Budden]

They said, Right here, Mr. Bud. We'll be right ahead with your cash.

[Ish]

What if you would have kept it? What would happen?

[Joe Budden]

Who knows? I don't know. People still eating Campbell's? Sure.

[Jwan]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Or they might own some other shit.

[Joe Budden]

Word. I was not wording it. The last thing on your mind was 29. Some soup.

[Jwan]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

I think my grandma died in 2011. Yeah, I'm 29 or something. Fuck that soup, but rest in peace.

[Parks]

Rest in peace.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm looking it up.

[Ish]

You was up, too. I mean, you had your affair Shares. Nigga traded in a Campbell Soup stock. He was a cold, that grandpa. You a cold? Yeah. Sh. You ain't getting that rage salute. I got your back. You doing that rage. What's her birthday, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Corey]

You have 5,000 of them.

[Ish]

You don't know?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know when her birthday is.

[Ish]

How would I know?

[Joe Budden]

How the would I know when her birthday is? I hate Scorpios. Honestly.

[Ish]

Blasphemy.

[Joe Budden]

Scorpios need to. Oh, my God. They could just go to, like. They could be the first ones to Mars. The Scorpios. You take what they call that? The submersible. What's that?

[Ish]

No, Joe, that's enough. Enough. Enough people.

[Jwan]

I do. I'm just watching him because he's been hate. Yes, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

I don't with score.

[Jwan]

We might be in love with the Scorpio.

[Melissa Ford]

We might be his favorite Scorpio.

[Joe Budden]

We are pause for including yourself in my Scorpio talk. I ain't talking to no dude. Scorpio.

[Corey]

Oh, you hate Scorpio Women.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't talking to dude. That's all I know. Dude, how I even know that you was a Scorpio nigga? You a dude. I'm talking about the bitches. I'm talking about this one and the rest of them.

[Jwan]

We're amazing.

[Joe Budden]

I hate y'all.

[Jwan]

What? You're supposed to say yes.

[Corey]

The guys.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all just have no.

[Jwan]

I'm kidding.

[Joe Budden]

Just mesmerizing. Mesmerizing sex. That's. That's it. That's what they known for. Tyrese. I met a scorpion and had.

[Jwan]

Yeah, and he had to take a pause. He didn't do that with any other sign. Just saying.

[Ish]

I don't know what her birthday is.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know when my girl birthday is.

[Jwan]

You know when her birthday is.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm trying to book a little work trip during that. I'm trying to be out of town.

[Ish]

The tour, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Something important. I got three weeks, two weeks for something big to pop up. And let me tell you, she keep on her story posting all the girls that get like a whole bunch of gifts.

[Corey]

What?

[Joe Budden]

That little baby girl that got all the bags the other day had her name and the lights and Turks. Every girl that got 900 gifts, she keep posted in the store. I muted that shit. I mute the shit out of that story. You setting yourself up for a massive failure. You about to be so. Girl, you about to be so embarrassed on your birthday.

[Ish]

Joe, that's not just.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm gonna do something. Cause I am a great gift giver. I don't know what it is, though. It ain't gonna be a range, I'll tell you that much. It's gonna be a range.

[Melissa Ford]

That just.

[Joe Budden]

Rover around your heart and for sure. Oh, shit. I love you, baby. Mic check one. Mic check, Mic check, Mic check. Hopefully you've enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time I bid you Ado farewell Adiosa durista arvois so long goodbye Or a simple head now to suffice Ego. Ego. I had to Go out tonight. What y'all doing this weekend? What y'all doing this weekend?

[Ish]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

What y'all doing this weekend, man? What's up? What's up? Don't smize at me, nigga. What's going on?

[Melissa Ford]

I wanted to go to Z game.

[Joe Budden]

She said, no. Why you can't go to the game? Oh, he already went to one game this week. She said he used his game pass.

[Ish]

Holy.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, why you tell us that in hour one? Yo, you an idiot, son. You can't go to two games. Oh, shit. That's the fight I'm having in my house cause of your stupid ass.

[Melissa Ford]

Me?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

What I gotta do with you?

[Joe Budden]

I'm dying because we came in here and talked about being in a relationship and going out three nights in a row. Oh, sh. And what that means? And you came in here and lied. And my girl believed me. I don't think anybody had enough. Relationship should be outside. And when you start lying, that's a lie. I start lying, too. I was like, yeah, man, that is foul. I think any man in a relationship knows he shouldn't be out three nights in a row. Why did I say that to the relationship police? Well, I have an entire record here of when you went out 24, 26 back in 2020. That can't be true, you, Honor. I mean, girls. Your Honor, Girlfriend. Your Honor, girl. Cause I don't go out Sundays, I don't go out Mondays, and I don't go out Thursdays, and it ain't but seven days in a week. So how could that be? Your Honor, girlfriend. And she said, just drive. Move to gopos. Well, what do you think about if you go out Tuesday and Wednesday and then skip Thursday and then it's Friday and Saturday.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not three nights in a row.

[Joe Budden]

Not three nights in a row. Back that. Fuck out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

Skip.

[Joe Budden]

You said skip. Fuck out of here with that. Yeah, buddy. Yo, you went to a game. You used your game pass already.

[Ish]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

And was on tv showing your teeth, looking good, trying to bag Philly bitches. Your girl was like. Your girl was like, enough.

[Ish]

Come.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ish]

Come back home.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Melissa Ford]

To go from Philly to Houston.

[Parks]

Sheesh.

[Melissa Ford]

They had them. It was some things in there.

[Joe Budden]

Desire. Game is here, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Houston.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Cuz I went.

[Ish]

You talking crazy today.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Joe Budden]

You thought you would fly to Houston and go to a zier game after you was in Philly with Mark Lamont Hill courtside on television show. And t you thought you could. Honestly, I'M I'm dead ass. I ain't trying to get you in trouble. You thought you trying to get you in trouble. Did you think that you could do two games in one week?

[Melissa Ford]

I contemplated it, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

How did she set you straight?

[Melissa Ford]

Just got something to do over the weekend. Just gotta tell you what they just tell you. Yo, we doing such and such at 11:30 on you be like, oh, okay.

[Corey]

Okay.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

You lost.

[Ish]

Damn. So you're not going to the game? Nah.

[Melissa Ford]

And I don't like the rest of their schedule now you looking for shit.

[Ish]

Don't look for shit. I like about the game.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. I spoke this out here. The only game that I really want to go to is this Houston. Houston game.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

The rest of their games is whack. Like, I think Zion them fuck around finished 12 and 4.

[Joe Budden]

Optimistic.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean 13 and 4.

[Joe Budden]

I don't see it for him.

[Melissa Ford]

But the rest of their games is definitely.

[Ish]

You got the tickets already?

[Melissa Ford]

Nah.

[Joe Budden]

Why you just tell her not this weekend. Whatever you got planned, we'll do next weekend.

[Ish]

Nah, you good.

[Melissa Ford]

Good luck with that. You got that?

[Joe Budden]

Let me try. See, let me try. Think something else you could have told. Good luck with. Why you ain't tell her that this was a real important game to be at the tickets. Why you tell her come with you?

[Ish]

Yeah, there you go. That's what.

[Joe Budden]

Why tell her come with you? Z could have got your ex ticket.

[Melissa Ford]

But then we got to make baby.

[Joe Budden]

Accommodations and then you got to be with your girl like around. Don't know why I want to be with that girl when the is around.

[Ish]

Houston. Not Houston.

[Corey]

Houston girls.

[Joe Budden]

No, she the nanny. You bring your girl to Houston. You go to the game.

[Melissa Ford]

You stay right here with the kick the baby.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, no.

[Melissa Ford]

That's crazy. Nah, you.

[Joe Budden]

I got.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm listening to you.

[Ish]

You gotta book two days.

[Parks]

The Colts still gotta play the Vikings, the Bills, the Lions.

[Melissa Ford]

Who the.

[Joe Budden]

I don't see it for the Colts.

[Melissa Ford]

Who want to go there.

[Joe Budden]

Not that anymore.

[Parks]

That's good games.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, that Indianapolis and Texas game, that's where the is gonna be at. Well, your girl did the right thing. Your girl did the right thing.

[Ish]

He used his wrong. He was the wrong pass. He tried to get.

[Joe Budden]

He got.

[Ish]

He tried to get the off too, didn't you? You mentioned the. The football game early in early. And y'all plan on going to this one then? You said. But the Mark Lamont was the last minute. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't doing nothing. You know, I already had this plan, it didn't work, man.

[Joe Budden]

These girlfriends and wives are insidious.

[Ish]

I try to get that on for the football game.

[Melissa Ford]

No, nigga, no.

[Joe Budden]

I went to Girls Love karaoke. This nigga popped up the next morning, first flight.

[Melissa Ford]

You lying.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not lying.

[Melissa Ford]

You won't be humming no tunes around here, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm just making it look a certain way. We planned for her to be here, but I mean, coincidence.

[Ish]

So she's around.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I think she's here for the next one too, but that's fine.

[Parks]

Look at that.

[Joe Budden]

Look at God.

[Parks]

Yeah, you know, God blessings.

[Melissa Ford]

God loves karaoke.

[Joe Budden]

Ignorance. God loves karaoke. Hey, nice. Oh, choice. My girl seen that story like, wait, what? My. Don't be knowing how to act. Let me get up.

[Ish]

J Dam son. You.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't going to say nothing. See, look, if it was me, you, you. You'll be going.

[Ish]

I'm pardon.

[Joe Budden]

Right now. I'm only pardon. I'm par.

[Ish]

And for the next one. Yes. You going to be here for a birthday. You got no choice.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ish]

I'll be around you.

[Melissa Ford]

They cut the music back on.

[Ish]

Are you my man?

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to get out of so much. And she talking about some big birthday dinner with her friends and then coming up here to see me. Hi. Stupid, stupid question.

[Ish]

You got to pay for it. Yes, you.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it's you.

[Melissa Ford]

That's exactly who my brain was. Go.

[Parks]

That's the answer.

[Ish]

No, you don't. But you going to have.

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking you. No.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no. They don't want you.

[Joe Budden]

They don't want you there. I don't think I have to.

[Melissa Ford]

They don't want you there.

[Joe Budden]

Nah.

[Ish]

Jay, why you put that in there?

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I have to be.

[Corey]

Got about a birthday outfit though.

[Parks]

But she's gonna go into Mark's Steakhouse at 7pm outfit to give you a little hint.

[Melissa Ford]

Keep going.

[Corey]

He has to buy that.

[Melissa Ford]

Keep going.

[Corey]

The cake.

[Joe Budden]

Keep going.

[Corey]

The dinner.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, keep going.

[Corey]

The flight.

[Melissa Ford]

No flight. They home. Good. Oh, you gotta feed all 14 of them.

[Corey]

No, they gotta pay for themselves.

[Ish]

Oh, wow.

[Melissa Ford]

They got a what?

[Ish]

My. You breathe hard. Breathe. You making all this money off backs. Breathe hard. You laughed at me at the door. T shirt. Yeah, good shout out to big, big ass. Yeah, she go find that new friends.

[Corey]

One fat one.

[Ish]

I love this son because his mom be going everywhere. So he think he'd be like, oh, wait. And if he let it slide, he'd be like, wait, what? He called back like that. Wait, what you trying to get.

[Joe Budden]

Man don't have no rights. You don't nothing.

[Ish]

Birthday dinner. What does that look like?

[Corey]

What's the restaurant do?

[Ish]

You choose the restaurant for her? No, if you pay, you can't mail what he got. No, you can't use the rest.

[Corey]

There's no authority. Right.

[Ish]

We financial abusers and manipulators. Not me.

[Joe Budden]

You can give a budget, you can give a budget.

[Melissa Ford]

Who could give a budget?

[Ish]

He can.

[Parks]

He can't give a budget.

[Ish]

I'm only giving y'all fifteen hundred dollars.

[Joe Budden]

What's the budget look like?

[Melissa Ford]

Fifteen hundred nothing. You ain't gonna sell it. Yo, look, I know you're still thirsty, but you can't get no more wine.

[Jwan]

Or you could call ahead to the restaurant to create like a kind of situation where it's like all. Everything's just included.

[Corey]

So what you do when they start ordering? That's not.

[Jwan]

You let them know, don't order anything. You order that's off the menu.

[Joe Budden]

I look like a prefix.

[Corey]

They're gonna say, damn this.

[Jwan]

No, not a pre. You can create a menu. You had a menu. It was extensive.

[Joe Budden]

It was extensive. They tried that prefix menu shit with me. I scoffed at them.

[Ish]

I had made it mistake.

[Joe Budden]

I turned my nose at them. No, my friends should be able to choose between the branzino and at steak the birthday.

[Ish]

Yeah, it should just be, hey, you.

[Joe Budden]

Get a steak and appetizer and some soup and some crackers and you go home. I hate a bad prefix menu. It's bad. Add some shit that you know niggas want eat. Yeah, that they took off the good menu. Come on, don't do that.

[Jwan]

Yours was fantastic.

[Ish]

You got a. That's why he asked you about this. He going through it. Look at our son. Look, he.

[Joe Budden]

I'm chilling.

[Ish]

Buy that, pay for the dinner.

[Joe Budden]

Then after her birthday, I gotta have the. The co parent birthday Lex party. And then her twins birthday is in December. And then Christmas and then New Year's Eve and then New Year's and then Valentine's Day.

[Parks]

Wait, and then Valentine's Day.

[Corey]

People get gifts for New Year's.

[Parks]

No, no, you gotta do something.

[Jwan]

No, but plans.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all can't wait till you really get some good money. Not to saying that you don't got it now. No, look, I want to hear all this macho come out, bro.

[Corey]

What do you got to do for New Year's?

[Melissa Ford]

Plan some something.

[Parks]

Dinner, drinks, trip party. Trip something.

[Corey]

If this is what marriage sounds like, that shit sucks.

[Melissa Ford]

Bad.

[Jwan]

This is what loving your girl sounds like.

[Corey]

No, this Sounds like being extorted.

[Joe Budden]

Loving your girl. Well, it is being extorted.

[Corey]

Oh, not worth it.

[Joe Budden]

Because you're paying whatever you paying your girl or the dinner or whatever, plus 50%.

[Melissa Ford]

Things we do for love, what you.

[Joe Budden]

Make just because of your tax situation. But you don't want to be that guy to explain to your girl what taxes mean for $1 and how it's really 50 cent.

[Corey]

Good luck to you.

[Joe Budden]

So you're spending a dollar 50 for every 50 but love mic check, we.

[Ish]

Going, man, Y'all hold it down.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody enjoy their weekend.

[Ish]

Stay blessed, stay safe.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all stay here for New Year's. They might try to go somewhere. Gotta get on it now after this chorus, we go, y'all hold it down out there. Shout out to the Patroni, shout out to the subgroups out there. We'll be back same time, same place next week. That's all I got for y'all out there, man. I'm going to fucking stay black and have a blast and have a good weekend, man. Peace, love, health, wealth and prosperity out there. We love y'all. High vibrations, high frequencies, all that good stuff. You know the vibes.