Episode 777 | "The Spectrum"

Summary

Summary of The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 777: "The Spectrum"

Release Date: November 20, 2024

In Episode 777, titled "The Spectrum," Joe Budden and his co-hosts—Mal, Parks, Flip, Melissa Ford, and Ice—navigate a diverse array of topics, blending personal anecdotes with broader societal discussions. The episode is marked by lively debates, insightful commentary, and a touch of humor, offering listeners a comprehensive look into the hosts' perspectives on everything from everyday annoyances to high-profile events.

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1. Money Requests and Barbershop Experiences ([00:00 – 02:05])

The podcast opens with the hosts expressing frustration over frequent money requests, especially in barbershops. Parks shares his irritation with customers who attempt to inflate prices, leading to uncomfortable interactions.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([01:24]): "I keep forgetting that y'all still go to barbershops."
• Ice ([02:02]): "I got six barbershops on my block."

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2. Sushi Contamination Incident ([07:52 – 10:06])

A significant portion of the episode delves into a food safety scare at FOB Sushi locations in Seattle and Bellevue. Reports of worms in sushi rolls led to health concerns and the temporary closure of these establishments.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([09:22]): "In response to recent food safety concerns, we have decided to close our FOB Sushi locations in Seattle and Bellevue until further notice... Signed, FOB Sushi Tea."

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3. Barriers to Privacy and Surveillance ([03:55 – 04:52])

The hosts discuss the challenges of maintaining privacy in public spaces like barbershops. Parks recounts encounters with individuals who overstep boundaries, seeking personal information or engaging in prolonged conversations.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal ([04:02]): "Hold on. Where?"

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4. Analysis of Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson Fight ([51:29 – 62:08])

An extensive analysis of the high-profile boxing match between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson takes center stage. The discussion covers the fight's authenticity, strategies employed by both fighters, and speculation about backstage dynamics that may have influenced the outcome.

Notable Quotes:

• Flip ([05:14]): "That's why he had the Lamborghini. So this is my first time meeting Flip."
• Joe Budden ([53:24]): "That was Mike Tyson's, it might even be a disservice to Steve Block."

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5. The Ending of "Horrible Decisions" Podcast ([40:22 – 143:29])

The hosts address the conclusion of the "Horrible Decisions" podcast, reflecting on the professional and interpersonal challenges that led to its termination. They commend the former team for their dedication and discuss the importance of maintaining professionalism amidst conflicts.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([142:24]): "Eight years is a long time. Very innovative pod in the space... We have a disappointed fan base out there. So, we want to acknowledge that because I think that did hit the black pod world."

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6. Social Media Terms and Conditions Discussion ([110:29 – 114:08])

Joe initiates a critical discussion on the updated terms of service for X (formerly Twitter). The hosts explore the implications of these changes on user content, data privacy, and the broader impact on social media interactions.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([110:29]): "X's new terms and conditions drop November 15th... They are betting most of us won't read them."
• Parks ([112:58]): "People who are leaving are right to leave."

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7. Beyoncé’s Halftime Show and Sports Ratings ([70:00 – 74:00])

The conversation shifts to Beyoncé's upcoming halftime show, analyzing its potential impact on NFL and NBA ratings. The hosts debate the strategic partnerships between artists and major sports leagues, contemplating how iconic performances influence audience engagement.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([72:00]): "This is not about Vince... you're going to put that outside."

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8. Jaleel White and "Family Matters" Discussion ([160:38 – 173:57])

A heated discussion about Jaleel White's comments on his character Judy Winslow’s absence from "Family Matters" unfolds. The hosts critique White’s perspectives and behavior, debating the portrayal and treatment of actors in long-running TV shows.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([163:46]): "I double and triple down on every last thing I said about Jaleel White."
• Joe Budden ([175:00]): "All of these years later... you are a piece of shit."

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9. General Social and Personal Topics ([Various Timestamps])

Throughout the episode, the hosts touch upon various personal experiences, societal observations, and pop culture references. Topics range from relationships and trust to critiques of other celebrities and the entertainment industry, maintaining an informal and dynamic discourse.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([144:00]): "You are, that straight men can get turned out."
• Melissa Ford ([215:57]): "They are trying to make it seem like he's a monster, etc."

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10. Closing Remarks and Farewells ([247:00 – End])

The episode concludes with reflections on the week's discussions, farewells, and light-hearted banter among the hosts. They express gratitude towards their guests and listeners, reinforcing their commitment to fostering open and honest dialogue.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden ([240:02]): "Here’s to this week being better. For all of us."
• Melissa Ford: "We are connected."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 777 of "The Joe Budden Podcast" offers listeners an engaging blend of personal stories, critical analyses, and spirited debates. From everyday frustrations and serious food safety concerns to deep dives into celebrity behaviors and social media's evolving landscape, the hosts provide a comprehensive and candid exploration of a wide spectrum of topics. The episode underscores the podcast's commitment to open dialogue and honest reflection, making it a must-listen for fans seeking both entertainment and insight.

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Note: This summary captures the primary discussions and notable moments from the episode, providing a structured overview for those who haven't listened. Due to the transcript's length, not all minor dialogues and humorous exchanges are included, focusing instead on the central themes and significant insights.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullet is hosts are for entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Is that what y'all are experiencing, bruh, out there?

[Mal]

The perception out there changes a lot of shit, man. I'm serious. People have, like, some crazy perceptions about.

[Parks]

Up here for sure. I just got here, and people texted me, like, they think cats up here is rich. Rich, rich, rich, rich people starting to ask to borrow money again. I had finally squashed that.

[Flip]

Now they back on it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, now I'm back on it again.

[Mal]

Yeah, that shit is annoying, bro.

[Joe Budden]

And they're just comfortable texting this stuff and asking these things?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Where do they even corner you?

[Parks]

Yeah, it's usually text or in the barbershop now, but yesterday, they ask you.

[Ice]

For money at the barbershop?

[Parks]

No, what they do is they put the I think you famous tax on everything.

[Ice]

Ah.

[Parks]

So the haircut is $30. They be like, you just give me 60, we good. And it's like, what? Have you seen my hairline? Like, this ain't worth $60.

[Joe Budden]

Well, one, I keep forgetting that y'all still go to barbershops.

[Flip]

Yes, yes, we do.

[Parks]

Wait, is that rich nigga shit or bald nigga shit?

[Joe Budden]

No, that's famous person shit, not rich. Don't let's. Let's. Let's doubt back.

[Flip]

How?

[Joe Budden]

We just throw money on everything.

[Ice]

I don't think they know who you at my barbershop. That's cool, huh? I don't think they know who I am at my barbershop.

[Joe Budden]

That's cool shit, y'all. You specifically, you are famous.

[Parks]

I go to barbershops in the hood, and it's usually not a problem.

[Melissa Ford]

I was about to say that.

[Parks]

But I'm in Jersey now, and it's different. Y'all different out here.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Jersey is barbershop capital.

[Parks]

Yeah, apparently.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I haven't fact checked that.

[Parks]

But if I had, I don't think that's true.

[Joe Budden]

I think it is.

[Ice]

I got six barbershops on my block.

[Mal]

You think it's different out here, the.

[Parks]

Way they act in there? Yeah, like, Philly niggas just rob you. Like, they just line you up here. They want to talk to you, ask questions and shit, too.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, they want a pop for sure.

[Parks]

Yo, and then they trying to lure you in a pod conversation. I'm like, I'm not talking. I didn't come here to talk.

[Ice]

My barber don't talk too much. I like it.

[Parks]

That's how it's supposed to be.

[Mal]

I. I had that for a minute when I was going to the Dominican Barber, cuz he ain't speaky, so that was great.

[Parks]

You went to Dominican Barber, though.

[Mal]

I had to.

[Joe Budden]

It was. It was Dominican Barber.

[Mal]

They took over, bro.

[Joe Budden]

The country.

[Mal]

They took over. No, that one might be true.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling y'all something. I don't know why y'all just keep laughing.

[Ice]

I don't think that's true.

[Mal]

The Bronx might have.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all been.

[Parks]

I busted more than that, but the heights.

[Flip]

The heights.

[Parks]

Hike men or some shit.

[Ice]

Of the six barbershops on my block, three of them are Dominican.

[Mal]

So, I mean, I could go in like, four square blocks and find at least five barbershops, and they're all Dominican.

[Parks]

And you let Dominicans cut your hair?

[Mal]

I ain't had no choice at that.

[Parks]

Time, I think they don't fuck with dark. They don't fuck with my kind of hair. They don't want.

[Mal]

Well, I don't have hair. I'm just getting a.

[Parks]

That's true. You getting a baldi.

[Flip]

But.

[Mal]

But they a little different with the blade on the. Yeah, my shit was crazy.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

When I got back to Bruh, he was like, yo, who been fucking your beard up, dog?

[Flip]

What you been doing?

[Parks]

And I was like, pedro, I just.

[Flip]

I just started paying the barber to come to my house. We just started that. Yeah, I just started to pay a barber. I can't, you know, go to Hippie Avenue streets.

[Joe Budden]

It's over for that.

[Flip]

I just thought. I knew.

[Mal]

It's over. I can't go to a barbershop.

[Flip]

Too many conversations, too many words. Nigga just want to get their head.

[Mal]

Celebrity n. Go to my barbershop.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, it's over for that nigga.

[Mal]

Way more like Young Guru goes to my barbershop.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. Young Guru has the luxury of maybe. Maybe being able to walk around sometimes.

[Flip]

Yeah, he's in there.

[Mal]

It's other, like, niggas in there.

[Joe Budden]

You all being listened to and watched.

[Melissa Ford]

Surveilled, if you would.

[Parks]

Yo, that's fact. I was with Flip for, like, five minutes on the corner in Newark. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Mal]

Hold on. Where?

[Parks]

We was in Newark, weren't we?

[Flip]

Yeah, we were. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Parks]

And, like, niggas was stopping their Cars pulling over and shit, talking to him.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, if y'all had trouble with my barbershop rule, this one is really going to stun you.

[Mal]

Don't do it, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all are still standing still places.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Yes. To have conversations outside.

[Parks]

We thought we was laying low in New Jersey.

[Mal]

Where was y'all at in Newark. I'm sorry. I gotta get to that. I'm not letting that go.

[Parks]

We just supposed to check in.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Y'All are on the corner standing still in Newark. Even after what happened to what's his name that I won't bring up.

[Parks]

This was, like, a couple months ago.

[Flip]

We were just outside, man. They saw us, and they were just shouting me.

[Parks]

They saw you?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

They ain't seen me. They knew the fuck I was a.

[Flip]

Couple people in that. You know, it was just. It was cool, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Were y'all shooting a skit?

[Flip]

No, I don't do skits no more.

[Melissa Ford]

And I was, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

Long form, content.

[Joe Budden]

And he been. He. Ben said that, too.

[Parks]

I'm sorry.

[Flip]

I mean. I mean, we shot long form earlier that day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And then we were just outside. I mean, it was just showing love, man. It's good to get love outside.

[Parks]

Yeah, except that one dude, he's trying.

[Mal]

I disagree with that.

[Flip]

Yeah, one dude.

[Parks]

One dude was trying to rob you. My.

[Flip]

Cause I had the Lamborghini.

[Parks]

That's why he had the Lamborghini. So this is my first time meeting Flip.

[Mal]

Hold on.

[Parks]

So I was like, wait, but you.

[Melissa Ford]

Guys can't slide that shit in here.

[Ice]

Oh, yeah, I just threw Lamborghinis.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mal]

So Lamborghini in Newark stared, which I would. Just wanted to get robbed.

[Parks]

I didn't. I didn't show up in no fucking Lamborghini.

[Mal]

What you think? Oh, you think it's sweet.

[Flip]

He tried to hide. You tried to hide your car keys. Nigga trying to walk to the other car in front. I saw your car.

[Parks]

N. I don't know what you talking about. But I pulled up.

[Flip]

I walk in front of the stupid Kia. Oh, that's not your shit. This nigga's slick. I said, why you doing that? But I realized because you pulled up.

[Parks]

In a fucking red Lamborghini in the middle of Newark. He said, meet me there. I didn't know he's gonna pull up in a fucking red Lambo. I was like, yo, they eating up at the Joe Button Podcast.

[Joe Budden]

I was like, that's the other problem. These fucking co hosts get to calling each other outside of work, talking about, meet me here.

[Parks]

Oh, I Would've never done that. After I started working here.

[Joe Budden]

He will.

[Parks]

Not see me until it's showtime. But no, they pulled up and then the boys in the back, though, they was definitely. I thought you knew him. That's why I was like, yo, you know this boy? He's like, no. I was like, I.

[Flip]

They had these conversations with me, man. But you. We made it out alive. Yeah, that's it.

[Mal]

Don't do that again, please.

[Parks]

Oh, you ain't gotta worry about that. Y'all niggas ask a minute.

[Flip]

We made it out alive.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

It's good to be outside, though, be on the soil. But I get it.

[Ice]

You've been living dangerously lately.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Definitely.

[Ice]

Lambos in the hood, jumping off of canyons or whatever the fuck you.

[Flip]

I'm just living life.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

What the fuck was that about?

[Flip]

Just living. I just want to live. That's it.

[Parks]

That's not how you jump. You jumping off a canyon ain't how.

[Joe Budden]

You want to live.

[Flip]

Yo, listen, real quick. I'm realizing that the world is bigger than my little. My little borough in Queens. Not little, but the Queens. It's just big. And so much to learn. I want to learn in real time.

[Mal]

That's fire, yo.

[Flip]

And that's it. That's just where I'm at. Just learning in real time and experiencing things in real time. And good for you. Just expanding my horizons. That's all it is.

[Mal]

You know what we gotta get you at next? Trying different food.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Mal]

Once you get to that point, you smoke shit, especially. Yo, that would work for you because you. So I eat this.

[Flip]

Oh, you be throwing shots. No, never.

[Mal]

I'm saying for your content, though, because you only.

[Flip]

You.

[Mal]

You tell, you say all the time. I only eat, like, chicken nuggets and. Chicken.

[Flip]

Chicken, yeah, that made that up. But, yeah, I got it.

[Mal]

But you get what I'm saying. So, like, you going around trying different food. Will be fire for you.

[Flip]

Just do sushi.

[Parks]

Start with sushi.

[Flip]

Yo, you didn't just see the. But the sushi was moving. Nah, I'm good with that. Sushi. I'm good with that. They, you know, they were complaining something about Keith Lee. Sushi was moving on the fucking thing on the chopsticks. Nah, I'm good. I don't know. It said it was a worm in it.

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Yeah.

[Flip]

That's all.

[Joe Budden]

It's fresh.

[Flip]

That's all.

[Mal]

I just mean fresh.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the restaurant closed.

[Melissa Ford]

It did.

[Parks]

So.

[Ice]

Not fresh.

[Flip]

The restaurant closed very.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they put out A statement this morning.

[Mal]

Is that our bad? We done?

[Flip]

Wait, wait, wait. I thought that they put out a statement before saying that.

[Joe Budden]

That they did, and now they came back with more sense.

[Flip]

Oh. Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

The first statement said. Yeah. Keith Lee don't know how to hold chopsticks.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[Mal]

They blamed it on the chopsticks.

[Joe Budden]

They did. Yes.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Mal]

That some live shit was moving.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Flip]

Cause a woman got sick from that. Somebody went to the hospital. Yeah.

[Ice]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

So then they came back. I'll read it. I'll.

[Corey]

Please.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Please. Y'all just. Y'all have run through at least eight topics before the party started. It's okay. It's your world. It's your world.

[Flip]

Stop that. It's our world. I read through all that.

[Joe Budden]

Stop.

[Flip]

That is our world. Let's start off. Kook. I'm not feeling you, bro. Stop. That's why I jumped off the canyon, to blow off some steams. It's your word. Oh, word. Oh, y'all fall for all that shit. I heard all that shit. You was the best.

[Joe Budden]

All right. The first.

[Parks]

I don't like that shit.

[Joe Budden]

The first statement said, all of our frozen products meet these standards. Any fresh products are intended to be frozen before consumption to completely eliminate any potential health risks. Health risks? Regarding the video, the movement observed in the fish may result from natural elasticity or the pressure of chopsticks when applied to its structure.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, that's bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

We want to assure our customers that yada, yada, yada, squeeze the chopsticks too hard, it's not indicative of worms or any health concerns. Then they must have spoken to a lawyer who came back and said, dear valued customers.

[Ice]

Sorry about getting you sick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I bet. In response to recent food safety concerns, we have decided to close our FOB Sushi locations in Seattle and Bellevue until further notice. Your health and safety are our highest priorities. We are conducting a thorough investigation to address the situation, and we will take all necessary measures to prevent it from happening again to our community. We are deeply grateful for your years of support and sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We remain dedicated to providing you with the highest quality sushi. Signed, FOB Sushi Tea.

[Ice]

Damn. Seattle's usually got the freshies, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, a little too fresh.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. Lawyer. That's what that was.

[Flip]

That lady got six. She had a lawsuit. Why don't be coming across lawsuits like that. I don't got no luck. I try to do the slip I.

[Ice]

Try to do the slip I try.

[Flip]

To do the slip in toys and R Us. That shit. That shit didn't work. They're like, we saw you, nigga. Come on, stop. Because I saw people get away with that. Saw somebody go put the baby on. Ten minutes later, nigga came, slipped. He came up like 30 racks. I could never get a lawsuit. I want one of them joints. I want to get sick. I don't want to die. I want to get sick and sue somebody because I'm going to go hard, nigga. I want 90. I want 90.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Flip]

Thousand.

[Parks]

The look of disgust on Joe's face.

[Flip]

He wouldn't go higher.

[Parks]

You're gonna do that for 90,000, yo?

[Flip]

Cause you don't. Hey, yo, listen, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[Flip]

I get it.

[Parks]

You look disgusting.

[Flip]

Mark, I don't want.

[Mal]

Look at this, bro.

[Parks]

People injuries.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, Mark. Kill the fuck off. I'll get you. I'm saying that he don't speak for that.

[Parks]

I would speak from you.

[Flip]

All right?

[Parks]

Yeah. Don't tear your alphabets up for $50,000, dog.

[Flip]

I said 90. It's number one.

[Parks]

90. Whatever it is, man, you might not get up.

[Joe Budden]

You guys got the United just to come to work.

[Parks]

No, yo, listen, just do your job.

[Flip]

Yo. Yeah, there you go. I'm waiting for that, Yo. Are you nuts, nigga? You think I didn't hear you on Twitter, nigga? Are you fucking crazy? I deleted my tweet. Getting at you, nigga. Stop now. I ain't like nothing. You was in there, too n. I'm getting at you, too n. I'm getting at you, too, nigga. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah. Fuck you and your man.

[Flip]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, not.

[Joe Budden]

Not.

[Mal]

Not me.

[Flip]

You can't say fuck me, but. But, yeah, I hear you.

[Joe Budden]

Should we get to it now?

[Flip]

No, no, no, no, no. Let's get to it. Whenever you want to, but real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. All right, go ahead, because I want.

[Flip]

To get something from him real quick with the 90. You guys have more. You older, you know. I mean, your hairline is far gone. You got a lot of patience. Meaning that you can sit. You can sit through the deposition and all that. Come on, Mark.

[Parks]

Ain't no deposition.

[Mal]

Settle quick.

[Parks]

Oh, you do a settle? I done got, like, 10 cases, man.

[Flip]

You just said, what's the most you won?

[Parks]

I got 450. 450. Two years ago.

[Ice]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[Melissa Ford]

What the fuck happened?

[Ice]

What type of sushi you ate?

[Flip]

He ate the prostitutes.

[Mal]

Wow.

[Flip]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Parks]

You always just go a little too far.

[Joe Budden]

That's your problem.

[Parks]

I'm out of here.

[Joe Budden]

I'm out of here. All right?

[Parks]

I cannot protect you from this.

[Joe Budden]

I went to get.

[Parks]

He said she had an iPad on the wall.

[Joe Budden]

You are a piece of shit.

[Parks]

You are a terrible fucking.

[Joe Budden]

You are a piece of.

[Parks]

Wow.

[Flip]

This is a gift. And it got the plastic on it.

[Ice]

Insignia.

[Flip]

Joe. Joe. What the.

[Joe Budden]

I am.

[Mal]

Oh, hey, dog.

[Flip]

I got the $7 sign for energy on the screen.

[Joe Budden]

I saw that my good sis posted yo something on Instagram.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, it is amazing to me that that is what he noticed.

[Joe Budden]

All I could see.

[Melissa Ford]

Crazy plants. Earthy. Mel. Okay, I wasn't lying.

[Joe Budden]

And the smallest TV I had ever laid my eyes on on her living room wall. So then I hearkened back to when we had that talk up here. And I. I looked each one of you niggas in the face and asked y'all, sands Mark, what size TV y'all?

[Flip]

That's a fact. You did that.

[Ice]

Y'all be lying.

[Mal]

Whatever Mel said, it wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't what was on that goddamn wall.

[Flip]

It is.

[Parks]

It is. How big is it?

[Melissa Ford]

It was. Well, okay. Like what, 57? No, it's.

[Mal]

Oh, no. Hey, Mel.

[Flip]

Mel.

[Ice]

No, no, you go the wrong direction.

[Parks]

It was like a big.

[Joe Budden]

Like a 32.

[Parks]

Like a big iPad.

[Joe Budden]

It was. That TV is a mess.

[Melissa Ford]

You guys have. Wait, let me tell you something. Shut the fuck up parts. You guys seem to have no fucking depth perception.

[Parks]

Let me see it all jokes. I think it was like, well, let's go.

[Mal]

Like a laptop.

[Melissa Ford]

So you're looking at it. You're looking at it from the reflection of a mirror. And you guys cannot tell the depth of my fucking apartment?

[Flip]

How far away on the screen?

[Parks]

It's probably 50, but people don't do 50. It's 50.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not 50. It's bigger than 50.

[Flip]

It's just 36.

[Joe Budden]

50.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what? I'm going to take a video of the fucking city when I get back into the apartment. It's bigger than that.

[Joe Budden]

Remember when you was moving and you thought the 30 box? You thought that the 150 boxes was 30?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Mal]

Just like that.

[Joe Budden]

We're having one of those moments again.

[Melissa Ford]

No, we're not.

[Joe Budden]

You miscalculating the gift.

[Melissa Ford]

That was a gift. I was there when it was bought.

[Flip]

Huh?

[Ice]

That was a computer box.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what it was. You know what? I'm gonna fight you guys.

[Flip]

Somebody bought that for you guys. A 43 inch.

[Joe Budden]

It is not. And you know what?

[Melissa Ford]

I don't slap gift horses in the mout. Okay? So exactly.

[Parks]

So you should slap that rule or.

[Joe Budden]

You can just go buy yourself a tv. You have the money, man, they laying right in the floor. Target. If you make a left past the returns, they right there on the floor. Anywhere you go, they on the floor. Bed, anywhere.

[Mal]

As soon as you walk in the.

[Joe Budden]

Door and it's safe. Big sign ain't stupid. We cheat.

[Melissa Ford]

It's above 60 inches.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not.

[Mal]

60 inches off the ground.

[Flip]

No mail, please.

[Parks]

It might be the angle.

[Melissa Ford]

Maybe it's the angle and depth. You guys don't know how far away I was from.

[Joe Budden]

We watched.

[Melissa Ford]

But guess what? Even if it was 47 inches, who the fuck.

[Joe Budden]

No, I think that's shooting high still.

[Parks]

But my question is, you were standing, so for those that don't know, this is an Instagram photo Mel's wearing. I only noticed it cause I got tags.

[Joe Budden]

No, she's ad trapping.

[Parks]

Well, both. You're wearing yoga pants.

[Melissa Ford]

Can you shut the fuck up?

[Joe Budden]

She was ad trapping.

[Parks]

I'm just saying, like, y'all. I'm surprised so many people are focused on the tv is all I'm saying.

[Mal]

Yo, N, you all right, Yo?

[Flip]

Yeah, but you left the crib.

[Joe Budden]

I said it was a Vine and some bookshelves.

[Parks]

That's what.

[Flip]

Ever since you got here, you a little reckless. You all right?

[Parks]

I'm not being reckless. I didn't do nothing.

[Flip]

We don't give a. We watching the tv.

[Parks]

I got tagged about the tv.

[Flip]

That's all we care about, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

We just talk about yoga pants if he jumping out. The educator.

[Flip]

You saw that.

[Mal]

She had a tv.

[Flip]

A two piece. Hey, you horny ass nigga.

[Parks]

I'm just saying. I'm fine.

[Joe Budden]

They already got that doctor walking around. Butt ass naked, jerking off in his office.

[Mal]

Wait, what?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

What doctor did you go to?

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't say no doctor.

[Flip]

They got a doctor walking around jerking off.

[Ice]

Yeah, just walking around. Butt ass. Yeah, and coming.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I don't know what y'all talking about. All I said is perhaps she looks nice. People were distracted by the visage as a result.

[Joe Budden]

Holy shit.

[Flip]

What the hell? You know what it is? A lot of you know where we from. Where we from. A lot of niggas know what. Thirst trap. So we just bypass. Oh, she doing her again. Let's look at this. Oh, got you. Yeah, we know what that is. That's the third like.

[Joe Budden]

No, we know what it is. I called it an ad trap.

[Parks]

I clicked.

[Joe Budden]

I clicked on that little shit that she put there.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Flip]

She added something.

[Parks]

Hold up. It was an ad, that's all I was saying.

[Flip]

That's what I was saying.

[Parks]

I wasn't even focused.

[Flip]

Well, you tagged the company. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Thirsty as hell.

[Melissa Ford]

You guys don't know shit about what the fuck going on you think got.

[Flip]

A lot of followers.

[Melissa Ford]

You guys don't know. You guys do not know anything. And what brands I'm working with. And stop fucking hating. Stop the hate campaign. Okay?

[Flip]

After that BMW without a drain.

[Parks]

You had to get Samsung to it, so.

[Melissa Ford]

And I'm doing all this sans manager, so suck my dick. I'm just making. Clearing the fucking Runway. I'm just clearing the Runway.

[Flip]

Throwing schlongs around. Yeah, I don't give a yoga. She tagged them niggas to at the top.

[Melissa Ford]

I sure the fuck did.

[Parks]

That's all I was talking about white.

[Joe Budden]

Girls on their page.

[Flip]

Let me see.

[Joe Budden]

Was one girl the color cappuccino up there. That's about it. They don't do too much brown.

[Parks]

That little Joe. Did you. Did you buy that TV just for the purpose of this joke?

[Melissa Ford]

He probably did.

[Parks]

I respect that so much.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, he probably did.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ice]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

No. Absolutely no way. Okay, so get over my page.

[Melissa Ford]

Where is this going? Where is this going?

[Parks]

If you did, not if you did.

[Joe Budden]

This is going with you.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, I'll put it in my bathroom there.

[Joe Budden]

You wait. Your bathroom can fit.

[Melissa Ford]

Shut the fuck up.

[Joe Budden]

Cause the wall. I'm looking at that little wall.

[Flip]

She got the vines to try to distract niggas. That shit fly though. You put it together, girl.

[Joe Budden]

Then Flips showed some shit in his house recently. His house keep getting flyer. That's a nice.

[Flip]

Yeah, stop it.

[Parks]

I'm gonna start pocket watching you.

[Flip]

I don't wanna talk about that. That's nice though.

[Mal]

He get mad.

[Parks]

Why?

[Mal]

Being there, going crazy.

[Flip]

No, I don't want to talk about that shit. She bought some new shit. When? I just got back.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga.

[Parks]

This morning.

[Flip]

Just got back this morning. Some new shit. I'm knocking the fuck outta here. Enough, nigga. Help with something, nigga. Go speak to REM Be friends with REM so she can teach you how to help. You just buying shit. Well, you just buying like that.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even think of Flip.

[Ice]

Oh yeah? I don't think he would have did though.

[Joe Budden]

Meaning? I don't think so.

[Flip]

He did what?

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Flip]

He can't ask you nothing. I'm pissed off at this nigga, son. He can't ask me nothing. You might as well say it.

[Joe Budden]

No, we did a. What do you call it? We did like, we did like a.

[Ice]

Ladies of the jb.

[Joe Budden]

We did like a couple's shoot.

[Flip]

Yeah, I heard about that.

[Joe Budden]

With me and. Me and Sade and I heard about that.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Ian, his wife and Ian and Jules. I didn't think to ask Ice because Ice say keep that shit away from me. But I didn't.

[Flip]

How was it? How was it? Was it nice? Cause I heard when they were. It was at the studio when they.

[Joe Budden]

Was talking about some edits to just.

[Ice]

I had some edits.

[Joe Budden]

Just have some edits.

[Ice]

Couple things.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, E. Stop laughing at niggas. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

The wives partners have a little group chat.

[Ice]

Yeah, they do.

[Joe Budden]

And they work the butterflies out. And now they're ready for part two.

[Ice]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I tried to watch it last night in bed, but I just started fighting.

[Mal]

She led to a fight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, really on air.

[Ice]

It didn't have to wait till afterwards. Yeah, Joe was ready to leave that bitch.

[Flip]

You get 300,000?

[Joe Budden]

No, I got you. She just went too crazy in the first 10 minutes. Like, dog fill the room out. She get right to.

[Ice]

She let you have it some.

[Joe Budden]

I said wrong on the pond and all this other.

[Flip]

But anyway, when. Oh, God.

[Joe Budden]

And then Jules turned up, they.

[Mal]

Oh, that, that, that.

[Joe Budden]

You said parks is perfect and Parks is perfect. That's the problem. Parks and rim, they just perfect. Every time I try to jam them up. Me and Ian just making total buffoons of ourselves.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, if at any point anybody want parts of that, just pass on that one.

[Parks]

I'm a follow.

[Ice]

And then we went out and had.

[Flip]

A time after it was documented.

[Ice]

Yeah, it's cameras, it's mics. Production quality.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, that's fire giving women a voice.

[Flip]

Oh, I don't believe it. Yeah, that's good.

[Joe Budden]

Every time I give her a voice, she turns.

[Flip]

That's the problem.

[Joe Budden]

She.

[Flip]

Fuck it, right? You give them a voice, they speak. You give them a hand, they buy shit with your money. Hey, yo, guess what I just bought? What a fucking. What's that shit called that you put to take the shit out the air? Humidifier. A big humidifier. You could go get that shit from Walmart for 2.99, nigga. 29.99.

[Mal]

How much was this one?

[Flip]

The 901, nigga. The shit that goes like this.

[Joe Budden]

That'S.

[Parks]

The one that stopped you from dying.

[Flip]

I wanna. I almost threw that shit out the window this morning. I throw this out the window right now. What the is this doing here? For the dog.

[Melissa Ford]

You have a really big house.

[Flip]

I don't give a. Oh, you got.

[Melissa Ford]

A big house too, and it's because of the dog.

[Joe Budden]

No, dual hate.

[Melissa Ford]

And it's because of the dog.

[Joe Budden]

Where'd you get a big house?

[Flip]

No, no, exactly.

[Parks]

I don't cry broke, though. I don't cry broke, though. I don't have a big house. I have a reasonable, reasonably sized house. But I was just saying, you always.

[Joe Budden]

Want land, reasonable land.

[Parks]

Or like it's not crazy land, it's reasonable size.

[Flip]

Yeah, say what you about to say. I make it. What?

[Parks]

You always. You always make it sound like you hard up. That's why.

[Flip]

You was in the spaces, listening to them bitch ass niggas. When did you ever hear me say that? Nigga, I was waiting for you. When did you hear me say that? You listen to bitch ass niggas talk about me? Talking about conscience and money. You getting real.

[Parks]

First, calm the fuck down. Move your feet. Calm the down first. Calm the down.

[Flip]

Stop listening to. I never told him.

[Parks]

Watch your head too.

[Flip]

But that.

[Parks]

We good. You ain't going to turn up.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Just please understand. It's not going to go the way you think it is. But what I'm saying is.

[Melissa Ford]

He's from Philly.

[Flip]

I don't care.

[Parks]

It's pause buttons. That's a fact. That's a fact.

[Flip]

Wait, what does that mean, Philly mean?

[Mal]

Why did you.

[Parks]

You can't.

[Flip]

What the hell was that?

[Melissa Ford]

You guys were just having a conversation. Keep going cause you cold.

[Flip]

You jumping in. Yeah. Mark, what are you saying?

[Joe Budden]

No problem. He's from Philly.

[Parks]

I am from Philly. It's just a fact.

[Flip]

I know a lot of people from Philly, Gasoline.

[Parks]

I know a lot of niggas from Queen. But what was he talking about? Oh, I know what it was. What I'm saying is my experience. People who, for example, pocket watch or complain about money or talk about money, usually people who don't got it. People who got a lot don't do that. So I assume that your eagerness was tied to some form of.

[Flip]

But you didn't hear me say this yourself though. So you going by.

[Parks]

I'm going by my observation.

[Flip]

You playing telephone. No, I said we never had a conversation.

[Parks]

I'm saying about the things you say.

[Flip]

Observe me. Cause you didn't. I never. I never said that in front of you. I've been watching the show. You was in that stupid ass spaces with them ass.

[Parks]

They didn't say nothing about you in the spaces.

[Flip]

Yes, they did not. Listen to it.

[Parks]

What they say about you.

[Flip]

Listen, you was with this nigga fucking Sucking and jiving this nigga with them niggas. And that's where you got that from. Fuck them. I don't give a fuck. But you never heard that from me, nigga.

[Parks]

Nah, I heard it from watching you.

[Flip]

Yeah, well, I'm broke. I'm broke, nigga.

[Parks]

That's good. That's good.

[Flip]

You got money and you try to hide it and mask it with old jeans and all that shit. I've seen what you did.

[Parks]

Nah, man, I'm just me. You do the same thing. I see you dressing for your target weight, like you.

[Flip]

Said from Target. Yo, Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, listen, I'm not doing anything.

[Flip]

You co signing this nigga again, I'm not doing anything.

[Joe Budden]

But then when he gets you, you just go and cry here, crying down the road.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not doing anything. I'm just sitting here sipping my dirty chai.

[Parks]

But for the record, since we talking about spaces and Twitter and YouTube and all that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Shout out to Parks. By the way, he only one who handled it properly. You had that boy on your show, what's his name? Shampoo.

[Flip]

Shampoo, yes.

[Parks]

Yeah. Oh, right. Talking crazy about me.

[Ice]

We're gonna get to an hour before.

[Flip]

We talk to the topic.

[Parks]

I don't know, dude. I don't do that on people. I don't know because I think that shit is corny. But, you know, that's who he is. It seems like that's who he is. Seem like a loser, but. But whoever he is, that's your man. So, you know, whatever. But people say, right, it's your platform. You got. You could do whatever. I think it's weird to be on a JVP platform talking about JPP, people. That's weird to me.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Parks walked off, you did your thing, then you tweeted it the next day.

[Flip]

I did. What the fuck would you do that for? I called you, though, before that.

[Parks]

No, you called me. We spoke after it was up.

[Flip]

I called you before that, too.

[Parks]

But you posted it before you got a response.

[Flip]

Yeah, well, yeah, it took too long.

[Parks]

Well, that's fucked up. I'm just saying that's fucked up.

[Flip]

No, it's not.

[Parks]

No, it's fucked up.

[Flip]

Oh, for real?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I mean, it's cool. We talked about it. I ain't tripping about it, but yeah, I wouldn't do that shit.

[Flip]

Nigga saying that you greased up as fucked up? No, saying he ain't talking about your intellect. He ain't talking about anything else but saying that you came up here, then.

[Parks]

Why you Called me, ask me if I was cool with it for then.

[Flip]

Yeah, because you a nigga from affiliate and I fuck with you, but I don't give a fuck, though. I don't. Don't call me about it, but I won't call you in the future, nigga.

[Parks]

Then it's done.

[Flip]

Cause you was talking to them niggas, then it's done. You talking about shit that happened now.

[Parks]

You talking about shit that happened after you did that.

[Flip]

Yeah, nigga, why you in there, nigga? Why. Why you done had nothing to do with that. Nigga, what the fuck is you talking about? You know what I'm talking about. Don't sit there and listen to them n talking about me, nigga.

[Parks]

Nigga, the shit I'm talking about happened before that.

[Melissa Ford]

Is it something.

[Parks]

So how the fuck is you justifying what I did? Well, how is you justifying what you did? By saying I did something three days afterward.

[Flip]

I don't give a fuck. Cause I just. That's. That's just how I feel.

[Parks]

All right. As long as you know, it don't make no. Everybody listen. Notice don't make no sense, right?

[Flip]

Gives a fuck if it don't make any sense.

[Parks]

What I'm saying is, if you're gonna hit me up and say, yo, is you cool with this? Knowing I'm probably not cool with it, and you put it up before I answer, that shit ain't cool.

[Flip]

I didn't. I didn't think you wouldn't be cool with it. Then you wouldn't have called me. I didn't think you wouldn't be cool.

[Parks]

Then you wouldn't have called me.

[Flip]

I didn't think you. Then why'd you call me?

[Ice]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. All right.

[Parks]

Yo, listen.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, we still throwing water bottles in here?

[Mal]

Well, some of us got hands.

[Parks]

Wow.

[Mal]

You know, we've had hands for years, so we don't. That's nothing. We can catch the water.

[Parks]

Cause you got it thrown to you like a normal bottle. Cory threw it like a fucking Chinese death Star. And it was dripped in water. You know what I mean? I was concussed.

[Joe Budden]

And that concussed shit and that lie on you lied.

[Parks]

Let me clarify the record because I did go back and look at the videos. Shout out to everybody on the Internet who made a video. The way I recollected it was that I tried to catch it with one, but apparently I just tried to collect it with two. I got hit so fast and got concussed so expeditiously.

[Mal]

That hand eye coordination is one of the first things to go, yo, it.

[Parks]

Is after you get concussed. I'm gonna keep saying concussed. I want a case.

[Ice]

So this workplace injuries caught 10 of them or something.

[Parks]

So I'm working on 11. No, but seriously, though, man, that throw was crazy. That thought was crazy. But I'm glad people got good humor.

[Flip]

And you talked about it and you talked about it on your show.

[Parks]

I did. Cause, you know, I really did have a concussion. It was a mild one, but I'm editing that. That won't make the cut. Fix it in post. No, I got Philly sports. You get concussions, no big deal. But I was dizzy as shit for that whole show. And the next day.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, the fans was funny talking about, look at Joe face when Mark got hit to her money.

[Mal]

Are you.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, these fans are so stupid, man. Let me move this tv. Po, move this tv, please.

[Flip]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Take this, Mel.

[Flip]

This something about the seat right here, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That was Mar. Mar turning the ish.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's about the seat.

[Parks]

Maybe it's something you do to people in the seat.

[Flip]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Parks]

You know, look to the left of you. Look to the right of you.

[Flip]

I'm just saying in closing, I'm disappointing you, man. In closing, I'm just disappointed.

[Parks]

And I'm not disappointed in you.

[Flip]

You are.

[Parks]

And I'm not disappointed in you.

[Mal]

I'm disappointed in you.

[Flip]

I took the video down, though. I have no ego and pride, and nobody can coerce me into feeling away about somebody else.

[Parks]

I respect that. And I just want you to know I'm not disappointed at all.

[Flip]

I just like I spoke. We was. I like you, but yeah, that's what it is. And it got, you know, got a little crazy. I want to make it clear. Cause we gotta hear the beep. Cause this n started talking about you low key, threatening, like, what you talking.

[Parks]

No. Cause this is what you do.

[Flip]

I had to analyze it. This what you threaten me? My nigga don't stop.

[Parks]

Y'all get on.

[Flip]

I had to analyze it when you went outside, like, n. Why y'all niggas be going, no, no, stop threatening.

[Parks]

This is what you do. This is what you do.

[Flip]

Tell me.

[Parks]

You get an argument, and then you do this shit where you start puffing up, getting louder like you gonna intimidate niggas and like. Like you the only nigga that could fight. And so what it looks like is just from just I'm talking as a viewer and somebody sitting here that you get the wrong idea about niggas that you think you gonna scare niggas out. The conversation, it's not about. I'm just telling you how it looks.

[Flip]

Hold on, hold on. Give me a second.

[Parks]

I'm just telling you how it looked.

[Flip]

It's not about that. I know that if it's a fight, I know that whether win, lose, or draw, I'm gonna keep going. I know that police gonna have to be called and niggas gonna have to jump me. I'm not stopping. If you got up and knocked me out. When we stop, I'm gonna try to attack you every minute from downstairs till you get to your car. I'm gonna try to hit you.

[Corey]

Your car with my.

[Flip]

That's just how I'm gonna take it. If a nigga try to get one up on me.

[Joe Budden]

That's me.

[Parks]

Exactly. But before we get to the point where we fighting and we having an argument, because you hurt my feelings. You put that energy. You put that energy out there.

[Flip]

You hurt my feelings by. You hurt. You know why you hurt my feelings? Because I look to you for advice and I look to you. That's the same thing. Same thing with her. When you smart people. I look to y'all for advice and guidance. You hurt my feelings because I thought you was down with the Coe and not saying you didn't have a right to be aggravated. But when I spoke to you, you didn't give me the impression you did say, y'all, I don't know that nigga, and shit like that. Cause you told me that you was coming up there to support me. That meant a lot to me. And I'm like, all right, Mark, I want you to come up there. You like, I don't really fuck with your man Shampoo and all that shit. But then to say this here just kind of throw me off in my mind. It's like, okay, people must have said something to you. And then now you looked at it like, no, I don't really like that. That kind of bothered me because I would have took that shit down. I just took it down. I deleted that.

[Parks]

I don't want to keep going on about it. Like I said, I didn't want to take it. I just want to register moving forward that if we all on the same team, I wouldn't do that. And I don't think you should do that.

[Flip]

True. I look at Coe different. I mean, up here, I take a lot of the.

[Parks]

So why you ain't taking what I'm doing right now with Coe, then?

[Flip]

Cause. Nah, you a little. Cause I Don't take smart niggas at coe.

[Corey]

There we go, Emotion.

[Flip]

There we go.

[Parks]

Shout out to Vivian Green.

[Joe Budden]

Cause at some point.

[Flip]

Hold on real quick, Joe. Hold on, Matt. Yo, man, just so you know, Vivian.

[Parks]

Green from Philly, that's his way of saying he on my side.

[Flip]

Yo, Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Flip]

You sing it awfully hard. Because every time somebody come at me or something like that. I love this song. Every time.

[Parks]

Nigga, don't do that to that chair.

[Flip]

Every time somebody come at me or some shit like that, you start singing and joining them.

[Melissa Ford]

What the fuck are you doing?

[Flip]

I'm on some intimidating shit now.

[Parks]

Only thing you intimidating is them. Check layer. I love Mel.

[Flip]

Mel starts singing this shit. Finally you guys see what I go through.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I really do love that song.

[Parks]

That song is the shit. Shout out to Vivian Green.

[Joe Budden]

Where the fuck could my stress be?

[Flip]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I keep. I can't figure out.

[Parks]

I just want to say.

[Mal]

Trying to pinpoint it somewhere.

[Joe Budden]

I can't figure out where my stress could be coming from in my life.

[Parks]

I apologize.

[Melissa Ford]

That was what I was trying to tell you right now.

[Parks]

I've been a professional broadcaster for 20 years. And I've had one argument on camera before, and that was today.

[Joe Budden]

So you and Candace keep.

[Parks]

So it's going back and forth. Yeah. You know, we won't be wanting to fight. So, you know, I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Flip]

Y'all trying to.

[Parks]

If only there could be some factor.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

That's so fast. Listen, listen real quick. I'm down with what that. What's going on. I'm down with all the flip. I like it. I'm down with it.

[Parks]

Hey, I can tell I'm down.

[Joe Budden]

I'm bad guy.

[Flip]

Get to my man. Look, he's stressed. He's stressing. He talking about his blood pressure. Y'all finally got him. The nigga didn't even smile at me today.

[Joe Budden]

What up? Like this.

[Flip]

What up?

[Corey]

Big old dreams in real life. Crown king in his.

[Ice]

Beautiful.

[Flip]

Yo, you know what she be doing alone? Because. No, wait. Would she be hyping this? She be taking. Will you be playing? She take her hand like this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, I know, I know, I know.

[Flip]

She. That shit is fly. She look at it like this. And she put a phone down.

[Joe Budden]

She got a whisper and move the bike back. Yeah. What's up, man? You can talk. Use your words.

[Flip]

I don't know how she gets Shazam so quick. She go like this. I watch it.

[Melissa Ford]

I was just saying to you, I would like for you to send that to me. Because that is I know you can't just get that anywhere. That is a mix. And that is Xavier Omar. He is one of my favorite artists ever. So please can I have that and Ice. You still need to send me that shit from last week.

[Flip]

A lot of the artists that she shout out, they clip it up. She got a thing going. Yeah. Xavier who shout them out.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no. He knows.

[Joe Budden]

I think the version you have is Xavier O More in single. Yes, that's the released version.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, I know that, Joseph. I know that. I know that's not. That's why I asked you to send me.

[Joe Budden]

But don't try to Shazam. When I'm sitting right here.

[Melissa Ford]

My phone's not even.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sitting right here.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not Shazaming.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, just tap me, girl.

[Melissa Ford]

Bother Shazam. Because I know that Shazam doesn't have it.

[Joe Budden]

We could talk. Call me now.

[Parks]

Shazam.

[Flip]

The Frank Ocean joint. I saw Frank Ocean face pop up there.

[Melissa Ford]

But say that's. That wasn't Frank Ocean. That was James Fauntleroy singing. And you can't get that.

[Joe Budden]

So you realize that when Shazam didn't have. Have the slaps. No, Shazam don't have what. What Joe Button has.

[Mal]

I didn't sell out.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't sell out to the labels and the companies. Talk to. I'm still independent. I still got my library.

[Flip]

Talk ego.

[Parks]

E Old dreams in real.

[Joe Budden]

Life.

[Flip]

Crown king in his beautiful yeah.

[Joe Budden]

The one with the tempo and the.

[Flip]

Drums.

[Joe Budden]

M21212 shout out to wherever you might be listening Shout out to the first Always for the ladies Always for.

[Corey]

The ladies make things created by the God we trust and it's a shame, it's a shame we don't even sleep in hotel Sleeping in the plane on the plane I want to go to London, Tokyo, Paris, New York Shout out.

[Parks]

Sydney Spout to all the dope boys.

[Flip]

And the dope girls out there Everybody.

[Joe Budden]

In the nightlife all the gang members out there all the nine to five.

[Flip]

Is out there hey.

[Corey]

Tokyo, Paris, New York shop town Sydney, London, Tokyo, Paris.

[Melissa Ford]

That'S a fact Shout out to Snow.

[Flip]

By the way whole DMV on Carolinas what up?

[Joe Budden]

Anybody getting ready for a Friends giving Thanksgiving and all that Anybody getting their travel plans ready for New Year? Hey, everybody a vacay right now.

[Corey]

All over the world all over the.

[Joe Budden]

World all the ops listening out there couldn't do it without you. You. Hey. All the happy relationships out there, all the miserable ones too. We've been there, we've been there.

[Flip]

Ego.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody group Listening right now. Y'all turning up without is. They turning up without is. Oh, I had a joke but got sensitive. I can't even make my good joke. Oh, they're doing great without this.

[Flip]

Don't make me a part of that.

[Mal]

Don't make me a party.

[Parks]

I didn't say nothing.

[Flip]

I'm making.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say the joke. No, I didn't say the joke. Another side.

[Parks]

I ain't sm.

[Joe Budden]

Look, I ain't stepping up.

[Flip]

No big. Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

No big. I'm big.

[Flip]

I'm big. Him up.

[Corey]

No.

[Flip]

Yeah, I want that.

[Mal]

Take it back.

[Joe Budden]

No, I take it back. I am the phoniest man alive. One day it's going to change.

[Ice]

As long as you know yourself, no.

[Joe Budden]

One day is going to change. Oh, my God.

[Ice]

Self wor.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all got my blood acting bad. Oh, Lord. Let me get the drops. All right.

[Flip]

Hi.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

What.

[Flip]

What episode is this?

[Ice]

777.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's why everybody spices.

[Ice]

I was thinking that. And full moon just happened. You know what I mean? A lot of shit going on.

[Mal]

Mercury in retrograde or something.

[Ice]

Something. One of them.

[Flip]

One of them.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Welcome to episode 777 of the Joe Budden Podcast, brought to you by Powered by Fueled by Prizepigs, Prizepix Gang. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, and highly favored host, Joe Budden. Really happy to be here with all you beautiful people today. Have an amazing cast here for you. To my right, right.

[Melissa Ford]

Hooty who?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, y'all know the vines, man. Big M4 Melissa Ford in the building.

[Ice]

You know.

[Joe Budden]

You seen the Vines. That's so on Brand.

[Ice]

You seen the Zenith?

[Flip]

Mrs. Smith?

[Joe Budden]

The Zenith?

[Mal]

Big RCA over there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Huh? Big queens flipping the building.

[Flip]

Yo, yo, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Happy to have you here.

[Flip]

Appreciate it. Appreciate, you know, Happy to be here.

[Ice]

Glad you made it back from the camp.

[Flip]

Yes, thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I didn't know if you were here.

[Ice]

I was worried.

[Flip]

Work comes first. Came straight from the airport to work.

[Joe Budden]

I see.

[Flip]

I see what I'm saying. I just gotta prove. Prove niggas wrong. I'm getting at you later.

[Joe Budden]

Who's. I'm.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get. It's not about me right now. It's about the team.

[Joe Budden]

Dr. Dr. Mark. Mark Lamont Hill in the building.

[Flip]

Oh, you put a doctor for the.

[Joe Budden]

Night Hill in the building. After that niggerish display earlier, I figured I'd remind him that he is indeed a doctor that we squaring up with in here. Awesome. Way to go, yo. Love. What the JBP Dustin. Nigga, that is a real live doctor that we shooting the fade with. All right, but it's cool. It's cool. Next to him, big freeze, ice in the building.

[Ice]

Freeziest.

[Joe Budden]

You know the vibes. Elmira's finest, big parks in the building. Poe is here. Erickson is here. Corey is here. Somewhere. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. How is everybody doing? How's everybody feeling? Welcome, welcome, welcome. Happy to be here with you guys. Hey.

[Mal]

Feeling good.

[Ice]

Feeling great.

[Flip]

I feel great as well. Good.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

How you feeling?

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. The blood pressure is. What's going on with that?

[Joe Budden]

Not the greatest of days.

[Melissa Ford]

We were talking a little bit about the fact that you may not and feel stressed, but your body processes stress, even though you might not consider something stressful. This last exchange withstanding.

[Ice]

Jay Colters talked about that. His new pod. We'll get to that later.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, stress.

[Ice]

Yeah. He had broke out in hives when he moved to New York and realized it was triggered by stress. Anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, I think y'all got me breaking out in hives, honestly. For real. No, you might. You might be on to something with that. I never thought about that.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I don't think that you get nearly enough sleep, and I think that. Well, I think your body's like. Need more rest and your mind is constantly. You're online constantly.

[Joe Budden]

I'm normally asleep by 10.

[Melissa Ford]

And then what time are you awake?

[Joe Budden]

Five.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, seven hours. You getting older, and as we get older, we need a little bit more sleep. Just saying. Just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm open to that.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you need a little bit more sleep.

[Mal]

How many nights a week you go out?

[Joe Budden]

Is my girl listening?

[Flip]

Yes, for sure.

[Ice]

We decided that.

[Joe Budden]

Two to three.

[Mal]

Got it.

[Parks]

How many days a week you get your heart rate up?

[Joe Budden]

2 to 3.

[Melissa Ford]

He doesn't mean by the strip club. He means by exercise.

[Joe Budden]

You think you the Mark Lamont Hill interpreter? You think that I can't understand what he's saying?

[Mal]

The mark whisperer?

[Melissa Ford]

Is that what you meant, Mark?

[Joe Budden]

You think you're the mark whisperer?

[Parks]

I meant what you. It.

[Joe Budden]

You leave here? 3.

[Flip]

Buddy, my heart just dropped.

[Joe Budden]

My heart just drop.

[Mal]

She walked.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Hey, buddy.

[Flip]

I mean, anything. Anything can happen. That's why you.

[Joe Budden]

She walked in the.

[Flip]

Again. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Throw it, throw it, throw it.

[Flip]

Hurry up.

[Joe Budden]

Throw it.

[Flip]

To throw the wallet. Oh, yeah. She scares the out of me when she. Why she walking so quiet like that, Corey?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she scares me, too.

[Flip]

Don't act like you got an issue with me. Too. Oh, come on. If you have an issue with me, going to get rid of me for real now. My girl came in to say that.

[Joe Budden]

No, I bought my. Myself some peace in the house for a little while.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

At least for a year.

[Ice]

New automobile, dude.

[Mal]

Yeah, we saw with the ball.

[Joe Budden]

At least for a year. Yeah, I. I think at least for a year.

[Flip]

I think you stressed though. For real. I think that, you know, every. Every once in a while around this time, I, you know, I had to sit back and, you know, while driving through Colorado in the mountains, I thought about you because the air, you know, expanded my mind and you know, the corner with the Joe Button around this time, you know, a couple of times where either your pressure's high, you, you know, just overworking yourself. And I did think the same thing. I agree with, man. I think you need to just take a. Sometimes it's okay to get up and just get the fuck outta here and just trust your people. You know what I'm saying? That's how it feels sometimes. Like you don't have to take all the pressure that you take. You shouldn't. Cause there's a lot on you and you're a perfectionist. So on top of the pressure and on top of wanting perfection, that can cause some up to happen. You can help me, Doc. You know what I'm saying? But for real. Yeah, you gotta take that off.

[Parks]

Oh, I hold a grudge. I ain't with you for a minute.

[Joe Budden]

So does the other telling you that's the scene.

[Mal]

It's a spot.

[Joe Budden]

But I do agree with. I agree with what y'all saying. Just. Just so you don't worry people out there. My parents listen to this.

[Flip]

Yeah, true.

[Joe Budden]

I am in the gym.

[Melissa Ford]

How's that going?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, how's that?

[Parks]

How's the gym going?

[Joe Budden]

It's going great. It's going really good. I enjoy myself. Got one of them fucking fancy fitness marathon breathe. Good trainers. One of them niggas. You lifting too different from the. No, no.

[Parks]

You don't have any interest in that.

[Joe Budden]

That's not where we're at.

[Parks]

Got you right this time.

[Ice]

Let's start small.

[Joe Budden]

Paul, this is one of them trainers that don't care if you've been to jail before or about your little hood calisthenics. Let's see how your body muscles really work. Got you one of those guys. Got it. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Checking out the mechanics right now.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. All of that type stuff. So. But I. But I do like them. I do like the accountability that comes with Having a trainer.

[Mal]

How often are you going?

[Joe Budden]

I do just every right now. It's been every other three days.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Ice]

That's a good little program.

[Mal]

Yes. That's a nice start.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's good.

[Joe Budden]

It's just warming up, revving up the energy.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely. You don't want to jump in and just do too much fucking yourself up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

So you get injured.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but one of them days. Well, and again, my girl been here, so it's like. And it's been birthday week, so I haven't sat down, rested, not had sex, not been there. We just been running, ripping and running. And she's not extraordinary. Watch yourself.

[Parks]

Yo, niggas tag me. I was being polite.

[Joe Budden]

It don't matter. And I'm kidding.

[Parks]

I know you are. We already talked about it. Cause you wouldn't do it on professional, but yeah, No, I loved your post to your lady. I know y'all talked about it last episode, but I thought it was really beautiful, man. And you made the pressure go up on me now, and I didn't expect that. When my wife sends me your message to your girl, it's not because she cares about. I mean, she does, right? She's happy that you have it. But no.

[Joe Budden]

But no.

[Mal]

They sayin'nigga, I saw this, right?

[Parks]

You're on notice.

[Mal]

You on deck.

[Joe Budden]

Well, my question for y'all is, what are the days where you make that post? Is it. I mean, for me, it's maybe Mother's Day to Valentine's Day.

[Mal]

Mother's Day.

[Joe Budden]

And I'll try to skip one of those. So if I could do that post two times a year.

[Parks]

Cool. I do birthday and something special happen.

[Joe Budden]

No, Valentine's Day. That's for them to do it. That's for them to post it. Yep. Yeah.

[Mal]

Valentine's Day is just their post. Whatever you do, dude, that's on them.

[Parks]

I don't do unless we go out and something special happened.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm a fuck up post. Say what you want.

[Joe Budden]

Say what you want.

[Ice]

I do them in real life. I don't do them on the Internet.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, we've well established that you're the man.

[Mal]

You're not like. You're not like us.

[Joe Budden]

Very, very different.

[Ice]

Maybe so. Maybe so.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to trap him in our Little Wives episode. I'm like, remy, you paying bills? It's like. And I love it. I love going to work and just helping out and just. He'll do the cooking and I'll do that. Like, fucking God. This guy is the fucking.

[Flip]

You gotta look at your.

[Joe Budden]

I hate him. Yo. You got it. No, I hate him. I'm ready, I'm pulling, I'm learning from parks. And I'm not gonna say things I'm not supposed to say because he thinks. He think it. He a dude. He just don't say it. And then your home is harmonious.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's the one step that I miss. I say the thing that I know is about to cause.

[Mal]

But you like that shit, though. That's the difference. You actually like the agent of chaos. Chaos at home. You say when it's too peaceful at home, you. It's whack.

[Joe Budden]

She start bringing up bitches cooking for me.

[Flip]

And.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. That's wrong.

[Ice]

And then we went ahead of time, though.

[Joe Budden]

That's wrong. All right.

[Ice]

We went ahead of time. I haven't shut down a bar in New York City in.

[Mal]

Oh, y'all shut the spot.

[Ice]

We shut down a strip club.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. The lights came.

[Parks]

Where?

[Joe Budden]

The strip club.

[Ice]

The strip club.

[Mal]

They walking out in their sweatsuits, and y'all still in there.

[Joe Budden]

Pretty much just the lights is coming on like we lost track of time. You know, I'm never in the strip.

[Ice]

We got there late, too.

[Joe Budden]

We had a good time. We did it the way it was supposed to be done. We did. And some nigga in there crack 60k.

[Ice]

Oh, yeah. Crypto bros. And they're going, ham.

[Parks]

Ham.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And it was kind of quiet. It was kind of dead. But he was making it lit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What's the word that the people are using? We're in a clep. A clep.

[Mal]

Klepocalypse.

[Joe Budden]

What's that word?

[Parks]

I'm a kleptocracy.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's the word.

[Mal]

What's that?

[Joe Budden]

That's homeboy.

[Mal]

I'm asking the doctor.

[Joe Budden]

That's homeboy busted down 60k off crypto.

[Parks]

Oh, you talking about a cryptocracy?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Crypto.

[Parks]

That's different.

[Mal]

Meaning the crypto niggas is up.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basic.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's all it is. But we did have a good time. We did have a good time.

[Flip]

That's nice.

[Mal]

That's always good.

[Parks]

That's what's up, man.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get right to it.

[Ice]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

This might not be right to it.

[Flip]

It's not right to it.

[Mal]

Definitely not.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get right to it. But delayed a little bit, reactions from Jake Paul versus Tyson. Who saw it?

[Ice]

I watched it.

[Mal]

I watched it.

[Joe Budden]

What did we think?

[Flip]

I Watched it on the airplane.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I fell asleep while was buffering, like, not even joking.

[Melissa Ford]

The buffering.

[Ice]

I didn't have any issues with my.

[Mal]

I had a couple issues, but wasn't as bad as everybody else.

[Flip]

Y'all paying y'all on top.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Is it y'all account?

[Joe Budden]

Netflix Premier. Yeah, yeah, the.

[Mal]

No, I'm talking.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even know that there's.

[Mal]

There's layers now on Netflix. Or tears, I should say.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But I watched this fight and. And thought the entire. Maybe by like round four. I said, yo, Mike's not throwing punches. Yeah, that was my first takeaway. And then I said, Ah, he's 60.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. Oh, boy.

[Mal]

I'm not trying to throw punches.

[Parks]

Oh, boy.

[Mal]

That's literally what I took from that.

[Ice]

He looked tired too.

[Parks]

Are you a conspiracy theorist?

[Ice]

A little bit. A little bit.

[Parks]

Hey, that's what I'm hearing. I'm hearing the conspiracy theory.

[Mal]

Well, I said beforehand, when we came in before the fight, I said, this is WWE to me.

[Parks]

You did say that.

[Joe Budden]

I heard you say that.

[Mal]

This is maybe not scripted in terms of like a full on. Okay, I'm gonna throw this punch. You're gonna duck, right? But yo, we talked beforehand. Yo, we gonna go in. I ain't gonna try to take your head off pause.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

We just gonna go ahead and put on the show for the people. We're gonna make it look real. We're gonna do whatever we gotta do in the press. You know, we're gonna sell the fight. But I ain't trying to kill you. I think at any moment, Mike could have knocked his lights out.

[Ice]

I think the other way and the.

[Mal]

Other way and the other. I think neither one of them were trying to do that.

[Flip]

It was Jake. Jake Paul showed that towards the end. But they have some conspiracy theories and some clips showing that after Mike hit Jake, Jake might have whispered to him. And Mike tapped him on the back twice. And then after that, Mike. Yeah, Mike didn't fight him or try to go at him anymore. Then Mike kept biting his gloves to.

[Melissa Ford]

I guess signal something.

[Flip]

I don't. No, I guess let's just hear the frustration.

[Joe Budden]

What did y'all think?

[Mal]

What I think?

[Flip]

What did y'all think again about the match?

[Joe Budden]

Everything.

[Flip]

Yeah, I didn't like it.

[Joe Budden]

The night.

[Flip]

I didn't like. I mean, you know, I mean, the whole night was good. I didn't like the Tyson and Jake Paul fight. I mean, you know, Amanda Serrano.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I think that was a fight. It might even be a disservice. To star with the Tyson fight. Yeah. Honestly.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ice]

The early fight was good.

[Flip]

Amanda Serrano Serato fight was the fight.

[Joe Budden]

That was the fight.

[Parks]

Absolutely.

[Flip]

She always puts on the show. Shout out to her and Jordan. She. She always puts on the show.

[Joe Budden]

Who's Jordan?

[Flip]

The manager.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Shout out to Jordan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't shouting that other girl out. I wanted to jump through the screen.

[Parks]

You think that. You think she got robbed?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Hell yes.

[Joe Budden]

No, she got robbed.

[Parks]

I thought so, too. I thought so. I mean, the punch count was enough.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Parks]

She landed 100 more punches, some people say, but, you know, they weren't powerful punches, they weren't impactful punches. All that stuff, you know, it's not just the punch count, but to me, just with the eyeball test, and I ain't no boxing expert, it looked like she whooped her ass with that.

[Joe Budden]

With that big cut over her eye. Still even being able to see and fight and look like she was. Wasn't affected by that dog.

[Mal]

She was standing there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Every two seconds.

[Joe Budden]

And the girl, which is what was killing me the whole time, just kept head button cut. Every time she did it, I jumped.

[Parks]

Back like, ah, yes.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God, that was nasty.

[Mal]

Hey, flip the manager. You shouted out.

[Flip]

Was that the dude that was talking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shouts to him, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Both of them in the post game, but I mean, in post fight, he.

[Mal]

Said what everybody was thinking. Like, he. He got up there and just told it like it was a big ass head. She up your head button.

[Ice]

She looked like she was about to go to sleep towards the end of that.

[Parks]

The white Katie Taylor.

[Flip]

Yeah. I got a little emotional though, on the plane, though. It sounded crazy. Cause I know them. What? Yeah, I did. I got a little emotional. Cause I know them and I know how hard Amanda goes for the sport of boxing and even putting women taking women's boxing to the next level. She advocates for that. And to watch where she came from when I was filming skits with her back in the days to where she's at now is emotional. And I know that she's not gonna. That cup wouldn't stop. Like, I kept seeing Katie lean into the cut. She kept leaning into that cut. And I know that Amanda was in pain, but she's just such a champion. I'm not gonna stop.

[Mal]

She fought through all this warrior and.

[Flip]

Then they robbed her again. It's the second time. I mean, Katie said, you know, they want to do a. She'll do. Run it back again, which I think it would be a Great draw. But it's just like I'd watch that.

[Parks]

As the only headliner at this point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that woman, it might be the toughest woman I've ever seen. Yeah.

[Flip]

Amanda, right.

[Joe Budden]

I would have paid for her to go in the back shower, get some stitches and come back out and fight Jake Paul.

[Flip]

Well, she's on Jake Paul's team. He put on.

[Joe Budden]

Then come out and fight Mike. She needed, she needed. She. Damn. Yeah, damn. Like just looking at her, her arms.

[Flip]

She's tough, she's tough.

[Parks]

She's thorough.

[Flip]

Puerto Rican.

[Joe Budden]

I've seen her, I've seen her fight before, but. But different level of respect.

[Mal]

I've never seen her fight until this one here. And I was just like, wow, what.

[Flip]

Does that say to the sports? The sport of boxing, right? Like what does that say? This is the second time she got raw. I mean it's that the highest paid women in boxing, you know, the highest paycheck they both received, but it's the second time that she got robbed. What does that say? Are they.

[Joe Budden]

For me, there's no sports without robbery.

[Mal]

Got it.

[Flip]

That's how you look at it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Human error is a part of sports.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Boxing especially.

[Joe Budden]

Especially.

[Ice]

So much just judgment, opinion, all of.

[Melissa Ford]

Them shit out interpretation.

[Joe Budden]

This year in the NBA, we see them more than ever. Them go over there to the TV for three minutes, come back and still.

[Mal]

Get the call back, get it wrong.

[Flip]

Shit.

[Mal]

NFL, we've been seeing it.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

They have rule changes because they fuck it up here. And then after the season. All right, let's fix this now. We got a new rule changed. So everything that just happened is null and void.

[Joe Budden]

Damn near last.

[Flip]

I understand, I understand.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And I want to see you and I want to see you go make Thriller after they rob you from off the wall. Oo like if we take that away, then the artists, the greatest of our acts, are never pushed to that other level.

[Mal]

That's true. Cuz that's part of the story at that point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's a good one. I mean Katie was tough.

[Joe Budden]

She was f. That big head girl.

[Parks]

I mean she landed some hard ass blow.

[Flip]

Katie, Katie was tough. But I think that I took all that away when I saw that she was intentionally trying to go for her cut. Intentionally. I know, Mar, but she like that shit.

[Joe Budden]

It's a smart thing to do.

[Flip]

Very smart to do. But when you know the person is fucked up. That's how I felt like, damn.

[Mal]

Like, ah, take advantage of a weakness.

[Parks]

Yeah, you gotta do it.

[Flip]

But it didn't work.

[Mal]

For who?

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Amanda and Jordan. She won, man. Shout out to Amanda and Jordan. Can't wait for your next fight. Cannot wait for her next. All right, back to Tyson and fucking.

[Parks]

I hope he never. I hear all the theories and some of them have been debunked, you know, like the tapping on the thing, which is true, he did do that, but that was actually. People doctored the video. That was 17 seconds in that he did the tap. And Tyson's most powerful punches came after the tap on the back. But at the end of the day, to me, the simplest explanation, as I always say, is probably the most likely one. A damn near 60 year old man.

[Melissa Ford]

Outcomes Razor.

[Parks]

Yeah, exactly. A 60 year old man can't beat a 30 year old man. Apples to apple, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, it's not apples, apples, exactly. But Mike just had surgery a few months ago.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, exactly.

[Parks]

I'm saying Mike might actually have issues.

[Melissa Ford]

That he had back in June. They were like, they were severe. Blood transfusion, all that shit.

[Flip]

Yeah, Mike actually might be, what, on his way out?

[Parks]

No, no, no, no. I'm just from boxing. I'm just saying, like, gotcha. He's good. Mike is healthy, you know what I mean? But Jake Paul does this, you know what I mean? He hasn't done it against any elite boxers yet. And I don't know if he's an elite boxer, but he's a professional boxer and Mike Tyson is. I mean, in 2005, when Mike Tyson retired, he's like, I can't do this anymore. I don't have it in me no more. He did.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Parks]

That was 19 years ago. Like, you don't get better.

[Flip]

Did you real side note, did you see Holy Field say that they want the trilogy? Holyfield put it, put it on Instagram, yo, they call it for the trilogy. And Tyson said, our friendship is the trilogy. So that was Tyson's.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody just want a payday now. That's it. That's it. Everybody want a payday. I'm seeing, I'm seeing. Seeing the established boxers like the champions call out Jake Paul.

[Flip]

Shit.

[Joe Budden]

I gained a little more respect for Jake Paul, honestly.

[Parks]

Me too. The way he handled that last round. Especially when he, to me, it looked like he could have not put Mike on his wallet.

[Joe Budden]

And he did, toward the end. Yeah, the last couple rounds.

[Parks]

Yeah. He bowed to him. He showed love. I respect that.

[Joe Budden]

The bow. Yes. The mercy part. I'm not going to give him so much. I'm going to play this clip from Jon Jones, who Also won because he.

[Flip]

Shouldn'T have been there with him. That's how you look at it. Prevention is better than the cure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. No, I feel like Jake did what the smart fighter would do, which is recognize that that man could put me down or hurt me at least. So there's no need to. There's no need to do this. There's no need to engage. Let me find this clip. I do think that that first round was the first round. Round one was round one.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I also believe that Mike had to bite his gloves the whole rest of the fight fight to prevent him from throwing a punch because he got that tick.

[Ice]

It could be.

[Joe Budden]

No. For me, there's no other reason about Mike.

[Flip]

Mike was out of it.

[Mal]

Mike did not try to fight him.

[Parks]

His legs look bad.

[Mal]

That's all I saw.

[Parks]

I just.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but his punches didn't sound like Roy Jones. His legs look bad. His punches looked absolutely fine. Yo, Roy Jones, what a horrible job of combat commentating. Roy Jones did elite level hating.

[Flip]

Yeah, I saw you. I saw you tell Roy Jones shut up.

[Joe Budden]

That's like shut the up. Roy Jones.

[Flip]

That was our man.

[Parks]

Damn.

[Flip]

That was our man.

[Joe Budden]

Rosie Perez trying to keep it cute up there. Shout out to Rosie.

[Flip]

Shout out to Rosie.

[Joe Budden]

Roy Jones, man, come. Oh, my God. All right, this is when Holyfield came back. Jon Jones went and just kind of.

[Flip]

Iced him in in very quick fashion. And I think Jake probably could have done that later on in the fight, but he opted to. I don't let Mike get to the bill.

[Parks]

I don't think Jake gave him mercy. I think Jake played it smart. I think that's what it was.

[Joe Budden]

I think Jake, I agree with this.

[Parks]

You're winning. Let's stop while you're ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Let's, let's, let's coast.

[Parks]

Let's get through this fight because Mike.

[Flip]

Can drop anyone with one shot.

[Joe Budden]

You know, his legs weren't working, but.

[Parks]

That upper body was still moving and those punches were still swinging. And I don't really. I didn't view it as shake given mercy.

[Joe Budden]

Jake coasted through that.

[Parks]

And like an intelligent fighter would like about it. I agree like about it.

[Flip]

And when you say that the people looking for a payday, I think that a lot of boxers now just want to shut Jake Paul up. Like you came from YouTube and you came in the sport. You making. You making a lot of money in this sport.

[Joe Budden]

Smoke and mirror part of it.

[Mal]

They also know a payday come attached with.

[Flip]

No, they do want to. They do want a payday, Joe. But a Lot of them want to shut up.

[Parks]

I can see both being.

[Flip]

I think that the competition outweighs the payday for me for some of them, because some of them makes money. Like Javonte Davis. He makes money. Canelo makes money. So it's more like, okay, we feel that as a YouTuber, you've been making a mockery of the sport. You're calling out whoever you want to call out and you're getting it and you're getting a lot of money on top of that. So now we're going to show you.

[Joe Budden]

No, see, Tay. I don't put in that talk because Tay sound like, I'm going to just do this for free when I see you.

[Flip]

Yeah, Tank. Yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

Whenever I catch you, I'm just going to learn you. I don't want to die. So I'm not talking about him.

[Flip]

Canelo Alvarez. You think Canelo Alvarez.

[Joe Budden]

If I don't put Canelo in there neither, even though he's running from homeboy. He's running from homeboy. But I don't put Canelo in there.

[Parks]

If you listen to.

[Flip]

Don't say that.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Canelo. And I wouldn't fight him. But it is what it is. Let's be clear. But yeah, why I don't even see the other person in this. Jake Paul Lane of bringing in $100 million on some exhibition fight. Retired fighters. Shit. Like he's really carved out.

[Flip]

Yeah, he did Floyd. Floyd.

[Joe Budden]

Floyd is Floyd.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So he. Floyd commands. He just commands that.

[Mal]

Floyd did it after being a professional boxer.

[Flip]

Right, got it.

[Mal]

Floyd was boxer. As a professional boxer.

[Flip]

That's just fact.

[Mal]

Which led to him being able to do this after the fact. Jake Paul wasn't that.

[Joe Budden]

But I loved what Tyson had to say after the fight about his view of it. I loved watching him come in the ring by himself.

[Mal]

That I like. Yeah, you know, usually he come in.

[Joe Budden]

With a lot, but the post he made, the post he made about, hey, I almost lost my life a few months ago for the young fans, for the kids to be able to see me, for me to get this one last view in the ring. Thank you to Jake Paul. Thank you. This loss, but this is a win in every aspect for me. Real classy, really classy.

[Mal]

Mike talked like he got a new outlook on life or something.

[Melissa Ford]

Not new.

[Parks]

Well, you know how he's been like that for a minute?

[Melissa Ford]

He's been like this for a minute.

[Mal]

You know how some people have like a close to death scare or something and then they have like a different viewpoint on everything. But also, like, even his interview with Jazzy where he was like, yo, when you go on, you're going. I don't care about like, something.

[Melissa Ford]

Legacy thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Have those moments where it's like, I almost lost my life now. The way I treat all of this shit now is totally different.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. And at that age, he's also thinking about, you know, he has. Probably has more time behind him than he has in front of him. So just let me get this payday. Fuck my legacy.

[Mal]

And I've done it all.

[Melissa Ford]

And I've done it all. Exactly.

[Ice]

It's a bucket listy almost to me from Mike. Like, let me just show I can still do. I want to do this right.

[Parks]

That's.

[Ice]

I'm not like that invested in the outcome. The outcome of the fight.

[Mal]

It seemed like Mike's whole purpose was just a don't. Don't get knocked out. And just to prove to himself maybe that he can go the entire length of the fight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

With a kid, basically.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Win, lose or draw. That's not the point of this. I just wanna. I did all. Was it 10 rounds?

[Parks]

Yeah, eight.

[Mal]

Eight rounds. Excuse me. That's right. I did all eight rounds. People thought I. At 58 years old, people thought I maybe couldn't do, or maybe he put me down or whatever. I did that.

[Parks]

I respect that. I knew he was gonna lose when he started talking like that. When he's like, I don't care about, like, what I heard him say is, I don't mind having another loss on my record. I don't care about what history. History knows who I am. Like, no one thinks about Muhammad Ali getting his jaw broke by cooney in the 70s.

[Mal]

You know what I mean?

[Parks]

Like, no one thinks about that stuff. Right. You are who you are. And so he's like, I'll take this 20 million in another loss rather than trying to preserve some legacy that don't matter when I don't matter.

[Flip]

But do you think that comes with time? Because when you're in the sport initially and you try not to lose, but does it come with time and wisdom and having to take a loss and.

[Joe Budden]

Legend stats and greatness. It ain't just time.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Greatness as well.

[Flip]

Cause Ali handled that loss well, as.

[Parks]

You know, good as well, because he had legend status. It's the greatness thing. It's like once you're cemented, it doesn't matter what you do after. Like, there's nothing that Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson or Floyd could do that would change how we see.

[Flip]

I'm sorry to drag this topic on, but then you watch how Floyd goes as hard as he went to not lose. You understand what I'm saying? To preserve that legacy.

[Joe Budden]

Floyd ain't lose to nobody, but TI I think, right?

[Flip]

No, no. But to not lose Mark. Like in his mind, I think Floyd puts legacy and status of.

[Mal]

He does that became his brand. I'm selling undefeated.

[Flip]

But is it a different time? Like time zone? Meaning that is it a different. Like Floyd is more real quick. Muhammad Ali was back in the days, civil rights, all that shit. You had to stand up for something. Sending for something to fall for anything. So I'm fighting for a cause. Tyson guy from Brooklyn, you know what I mean? Went through bullying, overcame that. A white guy took him in. He became champion, the youngest champion. And then Floyd, I mean, what was money.

[Mal]

Yeah, Money and brand like Floyd was? I think he was like 46, 47 something and O@ the time. And he already went and trademarked 50 and O because it was. Nobody had reached that point. So I want to be the one to do that. Everything with him is about the brand.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Mal]

So everybody fought for something different.

[Joe Budden]

That's all. Congrats to Mike Tyson. Shout out to every fighter on that bill. Do we care about the Netflix servers? No.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't care what the hell happened.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, we do. I was sleep.

[Joe Budden]

I was sleep through all that. I woke up at the Amanda fight.

[Mal]

No, I watched even a couple of the earlier fights and you get a little wee shit.

[Ice]

My shit was spoofed the whole time.

[Flip]

Mine too. And I was on the airplane.

[Parks]

Whose account you use?

[Flip]

Mine.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, 65 million people watching.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Parks]

But they need to work that out if they're gonna have the NFL, the NBA, you know, I mean, they trying to do major wwe, all that shit. They need to work that out.

[Joe Budden]

They smoked that with the right coming off the fight, announcing or showing the commercial for their NFL. Their NFL games. They smoked that.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And then later I learned about the Beyonce performance. Yeah, they got.

[Mal]

They got good games for Christmas. They trying to, you know, attack the NBA. The NBA always had a Christmas game.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So now that the NFL has Christmas games, which they had them last year, but now Netflix has it and they got Pittsburgh in Kansas city as the 1 o'clock in Baltimore and Houston with Beyonce doing a halftime show on Christmas day. Hey, Netflix fix it before halftime.

[Joe Budden]

That's interesting that you say that about the NFL wanting to attack the NBA. That makes me think they Both doing it. It's so interesting that the NBA are having ratings issues. Yet in the NFL is where you don't know where you gotta go to watch a game. They having no problem at all. YouTube, Amazon, Netflix, ESPN regular TV. ESPN, like football fans is hopping around or paying the $500 YouTube package, whatever the cost is.

[Mal]

I. I got it research for them.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I can't put my finger on why the NBA is having these issues.

[Parks]

It's interesting, Gilbert.

[Mal]

The game ain't as interesting no more to a lot of people, bro. That's just really it. Like I say it all. We sound like old niggas when we say it. I personally me, I don't wanna watch seven footers. Chuck three pointers.

[Ice]

Yeah, same.

[Mal]

That shit is whack to me. I don't wanna watch nobody where you have a big man pause that won't get down in the middle.

[Ice]

Like, there's no dunks.

[Joe Budden]

There's no dunks.

[Mal]

There's nothing.

[Joe Budden]

And y'all don't have either. A big man to chuck threes. A big man banging in the post.

[Parks]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

76Ers lost 9 in the last 10 games. I'm not here to do that with y'all right now.

[Mal]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Why do you think the NBA quickly.

[Parks]

I think the answer is I think there's no. There's not enough marketable superstars anymore. I think as LeBron moves toward the sunset, that there's not another LeBron, another Kobe, another MJ that makes people watch even if they're not interested when Beyama's not what you want to see. And then I think the style of play. I think it's the same thing. I think the style of play is not what people want to see anymore.

[Joe Budden]

And the superstar and that's good for them. Best players is international, and that's why it's good for the NBA.

[Flip]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Because they was doing all of that highlighting all of the international players in a certain way, thinking that that would broaden the audience. And it did.

[Mal]

It did.

[Parks]

Yeah, but it did.

[Joe Budden]

Then where did they go? Go?

[Parks]

I think the playoffs. You'll see them back. Like people going to want to see W. B in the playoffs.

[Ice]

I'm watching the playoffs after.

[Mal]

I'm talking about the whole season, though.

[Joe Budden]

That's why they started game.

[Flip]

I'm.

[Ice]

I'm. I'm in.

[Mal]

That's why they started this NBA cup.

[Joe Budden]

In season tournament, which is the worst ever.

[Mal]

It's because they trying to find a way to get some eyes.

[Joe Budden]

It was successful for Them, though. Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

No, it.

[Joe Budden]

It works.

[Parks]

As a fan, I didn't find it same. Yeah, cuz, who care? The Lakers won that the first time, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And then they.

[Parks]

I mean, like, they didn't win the championship. I. I want regular. No international. I want a regular dude from the hood one day, you know? No, dad.

[Flip]

You know what I mean?

[Parks]

Grub hungry, black shirt.

[Flip]

I need one of them niggas. They go hard.

[Parks]

That's all I'm saying. Yes. 20 and 10 every night. You know what I mean? I want those kind of stories again like we used to have in the 90s and 2000s.

[Mal]

Now we got. He played ball with goats and shit like that.

[Parks]

Exactly. Exactly, man.

[Ice]

Not the goats that we're used to.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you excited about this Beyonce?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Are you behind?

[Melissa Ford]

I mean. Yeah, of course. I love Beyonce.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, never mind.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't. You fail.

[Ice]

No safe.

[Joe Budden]

No safe. No, that wasn't the beehive answer.

[Mal]

No, it was safe. She can't say no. I'm not beehive.

[Joe Budden]

She just. Forget it.

[Parks]

All right, There we go.

[Melissa Ford]

They might not include me just because I didn't make her, like, the Renaissance concerts. So, you know, But I love her music, and I love, love, love, love watching her performances. She's amazing. Like, this is highly enjoyable, so I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Really excited for this.

[Melissa Ford]

I am excited for this.

[Ice]

This is, like, the biggest halftime not show ever.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yo, all this has been making me pocket watch Beyonce.

[Mal]

How you do that?

[Ice]

It's gonna be a long day.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm. I mean, the. The new gigs, the Kamala sh.

[Parks]

The whiskey shit, the hair.

[Joe Budden]

I'm hearing her songs pop up in more commercials than I've ever heard before.

[Parks]

Yes. And voiceovers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yes. They signing off on a little more.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Than they normally do for Beyonce and made me scratch my head watching TV the other day. Like, that's odd. So, I mean, you can't pocket watch.

[Ice]

Beyonce, but she's leading up to Grammy season.

[Parks]

She's killing it. I see what time it is now. Tina Knowles did put a post up saying that Beyonce didn't get paid for, comma. She said, I want to correct the record. These are all lies. We paid for the glam. We paid for the travel. We didn't get paid a dollar. I think that's to protect comic. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's interesting that she made a point. What I want to ask y'all was like, is Christmas halftime show gonna Be the new thing. Is that gonna be like. Is that gonna be the new. Not super bowl, but the next level after this?

[Joe Budden]

Having Beyonce.

[Parks]

Yes, do that is such a bar.

[Mal]

You already got it on Netflix. You see what I'm saying? This is a partnership here. So we putting it on Netflix. You know how many we see the numbers Netflix just did for a Tyson Jake Paul fight?

[Ice]

This is a tech battle. Really?

[Parks]

Yes, that's what it is, a tech battle.

[Joe Budden]

Most of the that we see is a tech battle.

[Mal]

All of it, it's all tech battles.

[Joe Budden]

But Beyonce. I got it. I gotta assume that Jay Z's hand is all over this.

[Ice]

Yeah, it still falls under the NFL entertainment umbrella.

[Joe Budden]

Fire them Carters.

[Parks]

Maybe Wayne could do next year. Like that might be a nice second tier option.

[Joe Budden]

Not bad. Yeah, that's a great idea.

[Mal]

Saints gotta be good enough to play on Christmas for that though. No, they not.

[Joe Budden]

I want to fight that Taysom Hill nigga. Yo, I want to fight him.

[Mal]

I'm not sure we wasn't playing soon.

[Joe Budden]

But Taysom Hill is really grinding my gears as a fantasy Kamara owner. Oh, every time this they, yo, dog, this just start running for his life like he don't see nobody else.

[Mal]

What? He had three, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

But G spin was playing against him. He had 44 points, 45 points. That's another thing in my league. We addressing that soon. T. Hill should not be able to start as a tight end in the league if he's playing quarterback. Yeah, we not. We not in a two quarterback league.

[Mal]

Yo, but he not playing quarterback the whole time though.

[Joe Budden]

He got it because he did have receptions, but still.

[Mal]

Yeah, so.

[Joe Budden]

And he is a tight end if he's playing quarterback. That's a cheat code.

[Mal]

It's like a trick play. It's like. It's like a wildcat when you had a fucking running back lineup as a qb.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't fuck with it in my league, specifically my money league, because when Amara St. Brown, they do a trick play and he throws the touchdown, he don't get the quarterback points.

[Mal]

Oh, that's some bullshit in your league. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, bullshit. We discussing that in Mr. Chows in July, buddy.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

The fuck are y'all talking about?

[Mal]

If he throws for a touchdown, even if it's a trick play, you threw a touchdown.

[Joe Budden]

You threw touchdown points. Yeah, it don't work like that.

[Mal]

We don't wanna drive the vagina up. Talking about fantasy football though.

[Joe Budden]

And shout out to the vagina that plays fantasy football too. But you're right. We are drying up the pussy out here. I can hear sandpaper.

[Flip]

Scratchy, scratchy.

[Joe Budden]

Menopause. What's it called? Is it menopause? Did I get it right?

[Melissa Ford]

Andrew? Pause. That's y'all.

[Joe Budden]

You know all pauses. She know every pause. All right, it's time for my favorite part of the show. Prize Picks. All right. Prize Picks is the number one daily fantasy sports app in all of the land. All you need is 60 seconds to get this done and hit a lick. Look at All Sports. All sports. Maybe even pickleball is on there.

[Ice]

I think it was before.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Go Prize Picks. Oh, how innovative.

[Mal]

They had Tyson on there.

[Joe Budden]

Look at all Sports. Oh, I'd have hit with that. Yeah, I'd have hit with that. Look at All Sports. Pick two to six players, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win big for this week in football. Who will I go with? You know what? Let's keep it safe. I'll go with Juan Jennings for more than 60 receiving yards. I will go with Saquon Barkley to have a bounce back game. Give him more than 70 rush yards. I want to. I want to play the DeVito Kid from. From the Giants. New Jersey's on. Big Jersey. Big jersey.

[Ice]

Buck 50 yards.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'll go with DeVito for more than 150 pass yards. Round of applause for Daniel Jones getting his job taken. Hold up, man. This plan is about to backfire. In the Giants face right now.

[Mal]

About.

[Joe Budden]

This plan is about to backfire.

[Mal]

It's backfired.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

DeVito gonna go out there and win two games he ain't supposed to win.

[Ice]

He might.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna go win at least two games that he had no business winning that Danny Dimes would have lost.

[Mal]

Y'all gonna mess around and trap somebody, too. I can see it. One of them teams that just know they supposed to run right through. Y'all gonna lose.

[Joe Budden]

Don't piss me off.

[Mal]

I'm telling you, it's gonna be one of them games.

[Joe Budden]

Don't piss me off.

[Mal]

It's gonna be one of them.

[Joe Budden]

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[Ice]

The pod. How do you feel as a potter?

[Joe Budden]

First of all, I don't. I don't feel anything.

[Ice]

Anybody else listen to it? No, no, it's really dope. I checked out the first episode. I'm going to continue to check in. It kind of gives hit. The first episode gives his like, backstory and moving to New York and going to St. John's and all that. It's him and E, who's his manager. Just discussing all the. That he kind of went through, how he started rapping, how he was playing ball, how he was coming here and doing the college party life, but then decided to do the rapping thing. I just really enjoyed. It was relatable to me as someone who came from a small market, moved to a big city, tried to get it popping. It's great. It's great to me. And it's a really dope rollout. The way they did. They dropped the album. The come up right afterwards. Yeah, Shout out to Cole.

[Joe Budden]

That's the part that I want to shout out. Just the rollout. Came back at it again with another fire idea for a fire rollout. Not that he invented a re release.

[Mal]

But he knows how to time his shit.

[Joe Budden]

He knows how and when to use his voice sans that apology. I'm off that I'm not that to the side he hasn't missed with how and when you hear him and making it effective and impactful. So shout out to Cole. Shout out to his manager. Great idea. I'm sure it's encouraging a lot of people to go to the old. Your old body of work.

[Ice]

Yeah, I did. I did. And I mean, I like how they harp. Harp on his brand being relatability. And I agree. His story is very relatable to a lot of folks, myself included. And he's knocking out the park with doing an intimate conversation like this that brings it home even more.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean, from the clips I. I heard it's just true to Cole. Right? Just a really nice guy who has no problem giving credit, telling you where and who. Where he got inspired, who inspires him, his journey. Like, he don't have no problem handing the flowers out.

[Ice]

Yeah, for sure. He picked you up a lot, too. Both him and he was a big fan. Talked about how you used reaching out to fans and relatability again. He said the same for Kanye, too. Actually. It was kind of interesting because he talked about how some of the old Kanye kind of cringy bars he liked because it added character. And I think that was something I didn't like about Cole early on is the cringy bars. But it was intentional. So now it's like, okay, I guess that makes sense.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Ice]

It's just a really interesting look into his thought process, especially early on. I'm curious to see how it develops.

[Parks]

Did it make you look at him any different?

[Joe Budden]

All of that's fire. Hold up for a minute. Mark, play the clip of them talking.

[Ice]

Oh, I got you. I got you.

[Flip]

Yeah, I was waiting.

[Joe Budden]

Then started saying some other. There's a clip of them talking about me. I mean. I mean, it just seems like the ball's right there.

[Flip]

Like midnight or 11. And, like, that's when you heard all the, like, bra.

[Mal]

That was, like, new until we recorded and we would listen back.

[Flip]

And that's what, like, the first fab freestyle was with Nori, when Nori was.

[Joe Budden]

Like, shoot at your feet.

[Flip]

Feet make you do the puff dance. Like, it was like that era. And by that point, I was like, a huge Joe Biden fan.

[Mal]

Hey, by, like, by this point, we.

[Flip]

Talking about, yes, you was on Joe Budding Heavy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Cause I love, like, that's E, by.

[Ice]

The way, speaking bars.

[Flip]

But I also always loved, like, to be able to connect. That's what Joe Budden was doing. He was connecting through, like, in a different way than like, other rappers and mood music. Like, Joe to anybody that's like, obviously.

[Joe Budden]

You know, if you listen to this.

[Flip]

And you're younger and you're not and you wasn't from that era, you're gonna know Joe Butter is like, podcast. But what E put me on, because I wasn't on Joe Budden like, that. Of course I knew him just being a rap fan, but I wasn't on his heavy. I knew, like, even his mixtape freestyle. But what E put me on to, because E was a big fan. He put me on the moon music, which was like this. Joe Budden was like.

[Joe Budden]

You know, he was.

[Flip]

He was.

[Joe Budden]

He was.

[Flip]

Was.

[Joe Budden]

It was emo rap.

[Flip]

It was like the first time we.

[Joe Budden]

Got, like, real bars, he was like.

[Flip]

Damn, this really going through it. So then it was like Ransom and Hitchcock with, I think, the 18 dude bundles fan. Rest in peace Stack.

[Mal]

Rest in peace.

[Flip]

Paul Kane. And fab. And. And I remember. And obviously the pinnacle was like, ch. Yeah. And then 50 came with, like, a whole new. You've never heard of Joe, buddy.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shout out to those guys, man. I appreciate that.

[Parks]

That's love.

[Joe Budden]

That made me feel good. That made me smile inside and outside. No, for real. That was nice.

[Melissa Ford]

All woman fuzzy.

[Joe Budden]

That was nice. That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I think it's 10.

[Ice]

10 bucks for the. For the podcast. You get all the episodes. It's worth it.

[Joe Budden]

So now, witty. Who am I. Who are you paying? Who am I paying?

[Ice]

It's. I think it's direct to consumer.

[Mal]

Oh, that's the way do I go.

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Ice]

It's, I think, inevitable. Which is the name of the podcast Live. And you go in there, you can. Apple pay whatever. They got a group chat, shit that's going on in there.

[Joe Budden]

Wow, that's fine.

[Ice]

Live release. Really, really, really, really good job. And, you know, Eve talks about a lot in the podcast, talking about how he kind of comes from a fan perspective, and I salute to him. Salute to Cole, because he does a lot of shit. He talks about going out and selling CDs and just trying to get your buck back for the cd. Not trying to, you know, make money off it, basically. And it's just. There's a lot of people that wouldn't do that because it doesn't look cool. You know what I'm saying? He was talking about how you go to Times Square and people are handing out CDs, and there's a lot of people that wouldn't go out and beat the street like that. And it worked for him really well.

[Joe Budden]

It really did.

[Ice]

Od.

[Joe Budden]

I still would love to get to the bottom of him and hove, but.

[Ice]

I mean, we got nine more episodes, I think, so.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't gonna do that.

[Mal]

I saw the list. It stops at Forest Hills.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, do y'all put any credence to these rumors about HOV releasing a project? There being a diss strong on it. I don't know who it could be dissing, but do y'all. Y'all give anything to that?

[Parks]

I give credence to the album coming out. I don't give credence to a diss record. I think that's cap the disc record part.

[Joe Budden]

If an album is coming out, somebody can diss.

[Parks]

I mean, but subtle diss is. What I was reading was people said it was like it was gonna come out Drake Hard or somebody. I don't think it's gonna be nothing crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Album is coming Out. And if somebody was able to say there's a dissong that mean hov, let them hear a dissong and let them say it. That ain't. Yeah, that ain't.

[Mal]

Don't talk.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't somebody freestyle.

[Parks]

You don't think it's just people leaking to draw?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't even play with whole name like that.

[Mal]

Not at all.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Don't play with whole name like that. So it's either all the way cap or it's all the way true. Yeah, but I didn't bother to read through the redacted to see who the disc could be about. I didn't. You know, that wasn't where my concern was.

[Mal]

I think HOV has been working on music. As far as the album coming out, I don't know.

[Parks]

Yo, it's time.

[Joe Budden]

It is time.

[Ice]

It is time.

[Flip]

I thought you. I thought you had some inside information that HOV might have put up with putting out an album. Ice.

[Mal]

Oh, they was working on album. I don't know if it's coming out.

[Melissa Ford]

Why wouldn't it come out if he's working on it?

[Mal]

Sometimes people just record music.

[Joe Budden]

That's what happens in the music business. You work on shit. Yeah.

[Mal]

Niggas will record music and then say, never mind. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't feel like.

[Mal]

Or whatever I was. Whatever I was. Whatever mindset I was in at the.

[Flip]

Time, I'm not in that.

[Mal]

I ain't in that no more. Now it's like I'm off that or.

[Joe Budden]

That'S dated or it's bringing me back to a dark place. I wanna start from scratch. Your artists have just come up with the most wacky reason to not release some shit. That was heat. But it is time.

[Parks]

I need a HOV album.

[Ice]

I would love a HOV album.

[Joe Budden]

I can't imagine Beyonce getting all the way the way we talking about and him just continuing to be cool in the background as the. As the executive.

[Mal]

I think we'll get a whole verse and that will be. It's gonna be a lot of talk in the verse.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Even the talk or the diss.

[Ice]

Who gets a whole verse today?

[Mal]

That's a good one.

[Parks]

Shit, I mean, Khaled always get one. So do he got any projects coming out?

[Joe Budden]

Whoever signed a hole?

[Ice]

I don't even know who signed a HOV anymore.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Fuck around and be on another soundtrack or something.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, let. The last five, six years of music has ruined so many collaborative opportunities. Right. Like now I was about to say Drake get a whole verse. But I don't even know that. I don't know no more.

[Ice]

That's what I was saying.

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Ice]

And I don't know if Kendrick does either, because he might want to stay out of that. That shit.

[Parks]

I mean, put him on the Super Bowl. I feel like. I feel like he already. He already made his choice.

[Mal]

Clips album.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ice]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

That's perfect.

[Joe Budden]

That's where the whole valve.

[Mal]

That's where the whole verse is gonna come from.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. That's where it's gonna come from. Pusha can always get a hold. Yep. Always.

[Mal]

Yep. There you go.

[Parks]

Drug Dealers Anonymous is still my shit, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Can'T wait.

[Joe Budden]

What do y'all have is the best whole feature? I know that's a tough random question. Not feature, but. But guest verse with one of our guys. Jeezy Push Ross Drake seen it all for me.

[Mal]

Could be biased cause of my. You know how I feel about Jeezy's records. But seen it all.

[Parks]

I'm gonna go recency and say God.

[Flip]

Did I like God did.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Amazing verse body.

[Parks]

That shit.

[Joe Budden]

Shit. Yeah. But I don't have that better than the fucking the meek shit. What's free? What's free?

[Ice]

I love the Rick Ross shit still. Teflon Don shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Freemason.

[Joe Budden]

Freemason.

[Parks]

Freemason is crazy too.

[Mal]

Once I didn't hearing the story at all, hearing the story behind how that verse came about, it's like, oh, that just pushed it up even higher.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All right, we dig riding now. I want to say. I want to shout out.

[Flip]

I want to shout out. There's no hopes land up here anyway. We love hoes.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, definitely no hopes.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, we don't play that.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, we don't gotta. We ain't gotta overtly dig ride. I dig ride. I don't even do that balls.

[Parks]

But.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like once Hov just know how you feel about him, you ain't got a dick ride no more. Like, all right, now.

[Mal]

You're the greatest we known Hovinges.

[Flip]

Anyway, I just saw a clip. I don't know if it was new or not. I don't know if y'all talked about this of asap. Rocky said that Hov press them. Cause he said something about Ace of Spade or something like that. And he had pressed some of the ASAP mobs. And I just thought it was interesting. Like, Hov still got his hands in the streets, man, no matter. You know what I mean? And I heard Cam say Something about hov. How Hov. Texting. Like, it's just hov. It's just hov. I think it's funny. You could take Brooklyn out of. You could take a nigga out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the nigga, man. And I just thought. Those are interesting stories that I heard over this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

While we on some of this, I want to say, I do love the way that Pharrell handled the chain. The Drake Jewelry ship. Yeah.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Another just classy guy. Yeah, they asked him about it. He said he's a fan of the history. Right the end. Nothing else to get there. Also, I want to say, Shaq, you my man. We just spoke in the DM the other day, but Dwight Howard call you out to fight, and there's millions to be made. I didn't like that response.

[Flip]

What was it?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't like Shaq's response.

[Flip]

You gotta win more than one ring.

[Joe Budden]

I only fight champions.

[Melissa Ford]

Ah.

[Joe Budden]

I'll stick with Gronk Champion.

[Parks]

Also, my money's on Dwight now, that fight.

[Joe Budden]

Why he listens Shaq.

[Flip]

But it's fine. Yeah.

[Parks]

No, no, I don't care. I think Dwight is in better shape. I think Dwight actually boxes and he's got a lot more. A little more train. A lot more training.

[Flip]

Well, he's. I can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Dwight probably tussle with more dudes.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I was about to say it's more of a Russell, though. He does mix. Why are we doing hip tosses? I thought we was.

[Mal]

Get from behind.

[Flip]

Camel clutch. What the is this?

[Mal]

Stay in front of me.

[Joe Budden]

What the. Y'all need to go to jail. Y'all need to be arrested. But, yeah. Shout out to Dwight. Shout out to Shaq.

[Parks]

Shout out to both of them.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to them, man. What else?

[Flip]

What else we got? I had a question for you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, what you got?

[Flip]

Sorry. Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, no.

[Parks]

I was about to go. I was going somewhere. You talk. Said jail. Made me think of Diddy. That was all.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz.

[Parks]

Diddy's going through it this week.

[Melissa Ford]

Is he really getting through it? Well, sounding like he's doing all right.

[Parks]

Two things are happening at the same time, right?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Parks]

Early in the week, they're like, diddy's running to jail. This dude's fighting over and vying to make his bed.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Parks]

And he's just, like, running this shit like Lucius from Empire, right?

[Melissa Ford]

He's getting his own food, right? Yeah.

[Parks]

But then the Bureau of prisons announced last night that after doing a raid of all the prisoners prisons. They found a notepad in Diddy's cell. They found evidence that he's calling and tampering with witnesses. And they're threatening at the time that we're talking right now, to bring new charges against him for witness tampering. And that that's going to undermine his bail hearing, his bond hearing, which is Friday. And he may not be able to get out because they're worried that he's. So it's like he's running to prison, but they kind of like, yeah, that's why you can't leave.

[Flip]

I think that's all done intentionally.

[Joe Budden]

That's exactly.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's all done intentionally, Mark. I mean, like, first of all, they said that by them doing that, they violated his 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment, that they were saying they took some personal information, like notes to his lawyers. They took it. They took pictures of it.

[Joe Budden]

They called.

[Flip]

Privileged notes. Yeah, privilege. You know, and I think that they're just trying to. I think it's just trying to make it as hard. Hard on him as possible. And that's it. That's how I feel like they're trying.

[Mal]

They're playing a dirty game.

[Flip]

They're playing a dirty game, and rightfully so. You know what I mean? It's eat or be eaten, but I just feel like they play.

[Parks]

Playing Diddy with all that shit.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If I'm him, I'm ignoring all that shit. I requested to be a bond twice. Y'all told me to get the fuck out of here. 50 million on the table. Don't try to wave it over my head now to get me to get niggas to stop making my bed and writing notes in here. No.

[Parks]

Right. I think Diddy alleged to have done some monstrous shit. Yes. And I want him to be held accountable for it. But he also deserves a due process and a fair trial. And the state is not giving him. Him a fair trial, fair opportunity for all the reasons y'all just said.

[Flip]

Not at all.

[Parks]

Yeah, but. And the bond shit is tough, though, because if he is tampering witnesses, if he is calling people, what do you do? Do you let him out?

[Melissa Ford]

But that's the reason why he was not given bail is because they feared that he was going to tamper with witnesses.

[Mal]

So they tracked one of them to. Sorry, the other. I forget her name. That was in Dirty money, the one that came out and made the post. And they were saying it like they have proof. Proof that he.

[Melissa Ford]

They were in communication right before she made that statement.

[Mal]

So.

[Parks]

Yeah. And it don't help that Shine.

[Mal]

It's ugly.

[Parks]

I was gonna say it don't help that Shine's been on tour too, you know, promoting the. Promoting the documentary, which I saw. I know y'all talked about it in the Patreon last week, but it doesn't help because it just draws more attention to this idea that Diddy don't play fair, that Diddy tampers, that Diddy undermines the law. So it's a bad week for Diddy on the street, even if it's a good week for him in jail.

[Flip]

Yo, listen. Sometimes you need to reach out to motherfuckers to recant some shit or to fix the story or to look at it from a different perspective. I'm sorry. Sometimes. Yo, did you really feel this way? I didn't mean it this way. How can we figure it out? It sounds crazy. I know the law doesn't like it, but sometimes a conversation needs to happen. Sometimes a conversation needs to happen. The law doesn't allow that. You're not allowed to reach out to somebody that. That father. That's a part of a lawsuit.

[Joe Budden]

That's where it's tricky. It's a law.

[Flip]

Yeah. Everybody change. I hate that because a lot of times people have called police on us. A lot of times it's been restraining orders. It's different things in life. Not remove people. Just talking about in life. And you reach out to have a conversation. Yo, hey, yo, what's up with that? And a lot of times it's rectified.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Flip]

But the not saying what Diddy did, I'm not making an excuse for that, but I'm just saying, like, that's the norm to reach out to somebody to get an understanding.

[Mal]

I understand what you're saying. The part of that is when they find out that you did that.

[Flip]

Yeah, true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You go to jail because it is still. Just because people do that don't make it legal.

[Flip]

Make it right.

[Mal]

Yeah, but now they found out.

[Flip]

I'm just addressing the people that's looking it as what he's doing. Oh, my God. He's trying to coerce the witness in Tampa. I'm just like, come on, stop.

[Mal]

They throw these words on.

[Flip]

Yeah. That's who I'm addressing, not the law. If you get caught doing that, nigga, you have to face the consequences if you get caught doing that.

[Parks]

Yeah. Raiding the cell and finding a notepad is making people. And the thing is, people are gonna believe whatever they hear about Diddy at this point because there's so much shit being said Just at the end of the day, does this actually help him if we hear so much awful shit about him every day for months and months and months? By the time trial comes in May, are people gonna be, like, immune to it where they don't even care anymore?

[Melissa Ford]

I think so.

[Parks]

It might break a certain level of.

[Melissa Ford]

Desensitization taking place, like, because it's happening for sure.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, every single day it's something new. And some of it. Some of it just honestly sounds preposterous.

[Flip]

But does it work into his favor? Meaning that, like, there's so much press and stuff about it. So if he gets found guilty to.

[Melissa Ford]

Appeals process. Yeah.

[Flip]

Yes. Right. Like, yo, these people heard about it. They were smearing my name. They were taking my, you know, my evidence or whatever he has, and it was plastered all over the world. And these people who are on the jury could have potentially been influenced to find me guilty. It's possible, R. Kelly.

[Mal]

That's the game they playing.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That's literally what they're trying to do. They're going to take the jury pools best they could.

[Parks]

I couldn't be impartial. I couldn't be on a Diddy Jewelry right now.

[Flip]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Parks]

I mean, it's hard for me to imagine him not having done shit.

[Flip]

No, I understand. Yes. You know, but is that. But is that. Is that fair?

[Parks]

It's not. That's what I say. I don't know if he'd get a fair trial, and I think he did a lot of this shit.

[Flip]

Yes, I agree.

[Parks]

But he still deserves a fair trial. I don't know anywhere in America where he could get 12 people that. I mean, no. Diddy has, like, talk about him. It's like his name is a metaphor for freaky shit.

[Joe Budden]

There's a flip side to that coin.

[Flip]

Let me. What's the flip side, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

The same way that you said you wouldn't be able to be in partial because the pool has maintained it. There's people that are on the other side, which is why he's getting his bed made in jail. Wherever he is, he is still who he is. This won't be like Tory Lane sitting there silent and his dad doing some shit when the court is over. Puff is going to fight. Fight? Yeah, Puff gonna fight and he gonna be heard.

[Parks]

He got resources.

[Joe Budden]

Charming with resources.

[Mal]

And he got a lot of motherfuckers as well.

[Joe Budden]

He got connections all over this place. Like, so the same way that there's that side, it's the other side, too. I didn't want to Be the one to say it.

[Flip]

But the other side.

[Parks]

That'S the other question. I get a lot.

[Mal]

That's the other side though. Because Puff is Puff in terms of power, respect, all of that. It's a lot of people that's gonna go to back and hope that he. It won't go back.

[Melissa Ford]

He rewards them after the fact or.

[Mal]

Because I don't want my name to come up in this shit with you. So let's try to get you out of this.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean what I will say. And then I'm off of this. Cause there's a trial. There's a trial.

[Flip]

Honesty for sure.

[Mal]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

But some of them documents that were framing his children, taking on his Instagram to kind of repaint his image, and they were talking about that like that was a bad thing. I thought that was genius.

[Flip]

Yeah, I agree.

[Joe Budden]

I thought that was absolutely genius. Every day there's a new story making me out to be some type of monster, demon, pervert, pedophile.

[Mal]

So let's get the other side.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah, let me. Let me try to fight in any way I can.

[Mal]

If y'all gonna fight that way trying to taint my name. Again, we not saying that PUP didn't do no fucked up shit. I just wanna be clear. We're not PUP apologists or nothing like that.

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Mal]

But in all fairness, if y'all are gonna be out here in the media or whatever the case may be, making me seem like the worst person possible, let me have some people that love me try to make me seem like a decent person.

[Parks]

He deserves that.

[Joe Budden]

See. Cause what we have a history in recent years of is seeing the media be more prepared or them being the state or the feds being more prepared in the media than they are in the court.

[Flip]

Exactly, yes.

[Joe Budden]

So we just saw what young thugs dropped. I know. That's what I'm saying. So have your, your, your T's, your T's crossed and your eyes dotted, cuz I don't that shit even we gonna see in dirt trial. Anytime they show me a picture of Drew, I'm like, oh, got one on your hands. Gotta wait for the trial. Yeah, I just seen somebody say on a doc on the meme somewhere that the. Your representation is much more important than the crime.

[Mal]

That's a fact, fam. That's a fact, child. Ruski, he got one of his funnier skits is, yo, if you see your lawyer dressed like this, you go into jail. Like, nigga, your representation can be the difference between you going home and you.

[Flip]

Going traveling True, true.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm so glad I obey the law, man.

[Mal]

You ain't lying. Every day I say it.

[Flip]

Speaking of jail, NBA young boy as well, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

27 months, right?

[Flip]

27 months, yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

And what, four or five years probation or something like that?

[Mal]

60 months probation. Fobvious.

[Joe Budden]

It's a win, fam. It's huge.

[Mal]

They just got him on the carrying firearm by a felon. The other charges were dismissed out.

[Melissa Ford]

What was he looking at time wise?

[Mal]

Was it like 10 years or something?

[Joe Budden]

I don't want you looking for a pen pal again.

[Flip]

No, they try to make it. They try to make it seem like when he was sending people in the store to get the drugs, like he had some type of operation going on. But it wasn't obviously he was using the drugs for himself, you know what I mean? And to whatever I mean, being in Utah, like I can't see how that nigga could just be there for so long on house arrest. Like what that does to him mentally. I thought about, you know, cause J.R. was showing me the areas that he. From where he live and I, you know, not saying. I think it was a great thing that they suggested that he moved to Utah because of. To prevent him from getting in trouble. But like being there, like sometimes you need company, you need to go outside. No matter how big your house is, man, you can get trapped in this and it can play with your mind and you start thinking things and seeing things. And sometimes you gotta take the drugs to heal your pain, you know what I mean? Being in that place without being able to touch somebody, your family or waking up to your loved ones. Not saying that people didn't go out there to visit him, but you're like trapped a lot of them. I think that it's meant for you to fuck up these situations.

[Mal]

A lot of them artists, your NBA youngboy, your durks, a lot of those who've experienced a lot of loss talk about that like, yo, I need the drugs just to numb me. Because I'm dealing with so much. Like I've lost family members and close homies. And it's just L after L after L after L that I don't want to feel that no more.

[Flip]

And in closing for me, I think people missed it. I think people don't look at that. If we sit here and say this, they're gonna be like, oh, what about all the stuff he's doing outside? But we're not looking at the human side, right? We're not looking at the environment that these Young boys come from. I think it only works for when we're speaking about ourselves. Right? Like if I'm in trouble, I'm saying all the environment and all the stuff I've been through, I make an excuse and then I'm not looking at the next man. I think we forget how to be human sometimes. So they may say, yo, you're taking up for Young boy. All the shit he did, you're taking up for Dirk. But not understanding or looking at the stuff that they went through and not saying they aren't responsible for the decisions that they made. But I still try to look at. From being in that position before or a little bit in that position. I started looking at it from a different perspective and just give another point of view.

[Mal]

A lot of people don't look at it. Cause they just can't relate.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Mal]

They never grew up in none of that. So it's like to. Even their mind can't imagine dealing with some of the shit that these young artists are dealing with.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Flip]

I had a question for you too, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

What's up? Give it to me.

[Flip]

So I was listening. I remember when you had the last part, you was talking about Jaleel White, remember? And how you felt. And I agreed with you. I'm like, damn, my man Joe. But then I heard. I heard other people doing interviews with him, and they were kind of on his side, like, yo, we heard the pitch that you wanted to do. We understand where you coming from. And his reasoning for just being a child. And it was him against the adults. None of the kids on the cast had any issues with him. And that he's the reason for a lot. It made me look at it from a different perspective. Cause you had me. When you was talking about it, like, yo, you not thinking about it. It's very selfish. And I just wanted to know, do you still stand on how you felt like him thinking about himself or.

[Joe Budden]

I double and triple down on every last thing I said about Jaleel White. The way that I discern does not have to be the way that anyone else does. Gotcha again. I saw the Family Matters doc. I heard what he had to say about his Netflix pitch. And then I saw him on the Breakfast Club.

[Flip]

Breakfast Club, Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Say this about Judy and why she disappeared.

[Parks]

What happened to Judy, man? How Judy just walked upstairs.

[Corey]

Maybe I talked about it in books.

[Flip]

I know, I know.

[Joe Budden]

So you trying to sell books?

[Corey]

I'm cold and I'm cold.

[Joe Budden]

But I do believe he's a piece of shit.

[Flip]

How do you think I covered it in the book?

[Corey]

Was I fair?

[Parks]

I guess. Cause she didn't really have a role.

[Joe Budden]

So I don't even really want to hear this dude's voice, honestly. I'm just gonna read it. Cause he's that annoying to me now. And I. And I think that's fucked up. I don't feel like I deserve that. Like one of my childhood heroes.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I hate to see these niggas grow up and just reveal who they really are. Yeah. God damn. During a recent interview on the Breakfast Club, Jaleel was asked about the character Judy Winslow, who famously went upstairs in one episode and never came back down. He shared, and my position is all of these years later, you don't have to share this. This. You don't have to speak about her or her family this way. They, the writers and producers weren't giving her storylines. She, Jamie Foxworth wasn't the best at delivering jokes. Sometimes they would give her material and it would just fall flat. If you fall flat in run throughs, they're going to rewrite you. You can only mess up so much. He added that he blames the whole ordeal on Jamie Foxworth's mother, the mother of the actress who played Judy, and explained that the higher ups didn't feel like they needed the character. This nigga's a dick.

[Flip]

I don't, I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I me, me. I don't need to see or hear anymore.

[Flip]

Got it?

[Parks]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

This nigga, like, you don't have to do that all of these years later to sell a book. And back to my original point, if you was that nigger because we ain't seen you be that nigga since this show. But if you was really that nigger, you wouldn't have to go about these measures to sell your. It would just be, I'm Jaleel White.

[Mal]

Okay, hold on though. I'm doing a press run for my book.

[Parks]

Cool.

[Mal]

They asked you the question of, hey, what happened to Jill?

[Joe Budden]

It's a great question. If you watch Family Matters, right? If you were a band, that's an amazing question.

[Mal]

Correct. So they ask him the question of, yo, dawg, you was there. We don't know. For those who didn't read your book. Yeah, what happened? How you answer that? He's telling the yo, listen. But he gave her lines. It ain't work out her mom. So they wrote her off.

[Flip]

But during the interview, he also cracked the joke about like he was saying us as children was making fun of her. Like, he used like a Layup line. I listened to the interview this morning.

[Mal]

He said, I was just going off of that.

[Flip]

She missed the layup again.

[Joe Budden]

I think there's a better way to answer this. I think there's a better.

[Mal]

So if you're asked that question, how do you answer it?

[Joe Budden]

I'm here working now. I ain't thinking about nothing. But there is a better way to answer. Answer that. Tom Brady don't answer it like that. The Rock don't answer it like that. Peyton Manning don't answer it like that. Nobody that answers just questions the right way on that. My. I have a publicist team that cost me three hundred and four hundred thousand dollars quarterly is answering that like that.

[Mal]

I was just getting ready to say you're mentioning people who have entire teams for that reason. He sound like, just off of that, a person that's ignorant and not media trained. So they asked him the question and I answered the question.

[Parks]

But you almost.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he's got. No, he's got. Definitely has media training.

[Joe Budden]

He has media training.

[Melissa Ford]

Thousand percent. He spent too much time on like a top rated show and he had.

[Mal]

The team when I was a kid.

[Parks]

He's 35 years old.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, but I mean like, how old.

[Mal]

Was he and how many times. How many times is he sitting down? You think he.

[Ice]

Does it really require a media team to tell you not to be a dick?

[Mal]

If you're a dick?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

He's given a million interviews. He knows.

[Flip]

I understand what you guys are saying. He could have been.

[Joe Budden]

He don't have to. On every cast member, every chance he gets, which is all I keep hearing and seeing him do.

[Parks]

And that's why they don't fuck with him.

[Joe Budden]

And that's why they ain't fucking with him.

[Mal]

And he might not fuck with them. Joe, I've seen you shit on people you worked with before because you don't fuck with them. He don't fuck with them. So you're asking me about these people that I don't fuck with? Yeah. I'm gonna tell you this from a perspective of I don't fuck with them.

[Joe Budden]

All right. But on the flip side, there's also people I don't fuck with where you don't hear me say a word or ever bring them up.

[Ice]

True.

[Joe Budden]

Or I'll say something kind and be thinking something totally different.

[Mal]

True.

[Parks]

I've seen it.

[Joe Budden]

So all that is in my bag. Show me that it's in yours.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's all of these years.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't mad if you got a list of people that it's up with forever, but at some point, show the other side of, hey, I'm gonna answer this PC and not give you anything and not shit on them or their mother.

[Parks]

Right?

[Melissa Ford]

It's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about?

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a. Hey, it's a million niggas. I beef with you.

[Mal]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

I don't ever bring name moms. What are we talking? No, no, I'm not.

[Flip]

Shit.

[Joe Budden]

Like, come on, come on. Don't put me. Don't put me in the mix with him. I'm just saying I'm a. I'm. I'm a dick, but I know how to be nice and I'm me. I got it popping long after Pump It Up. If he had something after Family Matters, like I said, I maybe view some of the arrogance differently. But what have you done?

[Melissa Ford]

I feel like the, the purpose of him speaking like that, being intentionally salacious is for the sales of his book, you know, so he's.

[Mal]

That's what he's here for.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's whack.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Because. Because if your book was lit like that, the publishing house would send it to the people that. That are supposed to have it. They would read it. They're going to send out the little one sheet with all the juicy salacious, and that's how everybody's going to get it. We don't need to hear you be rude to somebody. Somebody in their mom.

[Mal]

If he had a book, you probably wouldn't be sitting up there in the first place at this particular moment.

[Joe Budden]

How about that?

[Mal]

I'm here to sell a book.

[Joe Budden]

Him in that book.

[Parks]

I stand with Joe Bud.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't need to hear none of that shit. This UR was 4, 30, 40 years ago. I ain't got to still be no. Hell no.

[Flip]

Him.

[Joe Budden]

So did that answer you?

[Flip]

Yeah, it didn't. It did.

[Mal]

All right, Mark, question for you. I see a lot of other celebrities do it, and I see you post your Blue Sky. You leaving Twitter, too?

[Parks]

No, I'm not leaving Twitter. I got too many followers. But I am going to transition.

[Joe Budden]

I got too many followers.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'll keep it hot.

[Joe Budden]

Way to go, doc.

[Parks]

I mean, I'm not going to lie. That's my way to get stuff out. That's my way to get information out. That's my way to talk to people. It's my way to promote stuff. But I'm transitioning to Blue sky, and I'm going to add that. And if Blue sky can get to my Twitter or close to it, then I will leave Twitter.

[Mal]

I was going to say, because you started Twitter with no fucking.

[Parks]

Yeah, but it was 2009.

[Mal]

Just got put some time in, work it out.

[Parks]

That's what I'm gonna do. But until then. But I'm not one of the people that's gonna leave. I'm also not gonna do the dramatic exit letter. You know, people writing like full letters to the publicist about why they're leaving and the history. I ain't doing all that shit.

[Melissa Ford]

We write a couple of them.

[Joe Budden]

But why not? And why aren't you prepared to leave Twitter? Is it only the follow account?

[Parks]

It's a practical thing. Yeah. It's how I get information. That's how I communicate with my audience right now. It's a big part of it. And so I don't wanna lose that. I can't afford to lose that right now. Like there are people who are huge enough. Like Gabrielle Union is huge. She's a superstar. She can leave Twitter and just meet me over on Instagram or come to Blue sky and she'll have a million followers in a month. I won't. So it's a different thing. It's a different process for me.

[Joe Budden]

Do you believe that all your followers are viewing and hearing everything you post?

[Parks]

No, no. But I think that I have a bigger dent in that space than any other space that I use.

[Joe Budden]

Are you not concerned about, and this is why I'm in support of the celebrities making these over the top announcements about it. Are you not in support of the new terms and conditions and all of the means? Have you read that?

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm critical of it. I disagree with it. And moving the courts to Texas and making it impossible to really have free speech.

[Joe Budden]

Let me read it just so people are in the know. X's new terms and conditions drop November 15th. We're past that. With 60 pages of legal jargon, small print and a pop up prompt to accept via hyperlink, it feels like they are betting. They're betting most of us won't read them. Let's break down what you're agreeing to. Broad Content License. That's always the trick, that one. By posting on X, you grant them a royalty free worldwide license to use, reproduce and adapt your content. This includes training AI mo AI models and sharing with partners, all without paying you. Your content equals their assets, asset limited liability if something goes wrong, data breach, account suspension, et cetera, all the things that, you know, they do. X limits their liability to $100 or what you paid them in the last six months. Most users, that is $0. Meanwhile your losses. Unlimited account termination. X can suspend or terminate your account for reasons like commercial inviability or prolonged inactivity. Translation. If you're not making the money or active enough, your account could be gone without knowing notice. 5. No class actions allowed. You waive the right to join class action suits. If X messes up, you'll have to take them on individually, which most people cannot afford to do. This shields X from collective legal accountability. 6. Data use. Your data can be collected, shared and used globally. While this isn't new, the breadth of their rights to analyze, adapt and share your info has grown. And yet, yes, this includes feeding AI systems. 7. Changes without consent. X reserves the right to change these terms at any time with minimal notice. If you continue using the platform, you are deemed to have accepted the changes, whether or whether or not you read them. Eight. Time to sue. If you have a legal dispute, you only have one year to file a claim. This is shorter than many jurisdictions allow and could prevent valid claims claims from being pursued. 9. Tiny font. Long read. 60 pages and a small font likely 8 to 10 points. It would take the average user 2 to 3 hours to read and understand these terms if they have legal expertise. Jesus. It goes on and on. There's 10, 11, 12. There's mad points here, but I get what some of that should have been scary enough and plenty of reason for people to leave.

[Parks]

Oh, I think people who are leaving are right to leave. And I think the celebrities who who have the platform should write those long letters. I'm just saying I'm not the one to do that one. Ain't nobody following me off Twitter. They'll follow Don Lemon off. They'll follow Gabrielle Union off. They'll follow the big actors and actresses off. Do it for me. Also, I don't create content on Twitter. All I do is post links to my YouTube channel, things like that, where I'm just trying to get information out fast or make a statement. So for me it doesn't make sense. But I respect people leaving. I just hope when it gets dry in them blue sky streets, they not back on Twitter in a month, which.

[Mal]

Is what I think is going to happen. They will be.

[Ice]

That's what's going to be.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I.

[Mal]

They've done it.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what threads were.

[Mal]

Threads.

[Joe Budden]

Do you have a news. Do you have a newsletter?

[Parks]

No, no.

[Flip]

My thing is you should get one. You should do one. It's a good idea.

[Mal]

My thing is the people saying that, oh, you know, they're doing this with our data. They're doing this with Twitter is doing this with their new terms and conditions. A meta was doing the same.

[Ice]

All of them are doing the same.

[Mal]

All of them are doing the same thing. So you.

[Flip]

This is this Donald Trump.

[Mal]

You don't like it here.

[Parks]

That's what it is.

[Flip]

That's what it is.

[Mal]

Well, say that, though. That's about this.

[Flip]

Say that.

[Mal]

Don't use the terms and conditions argument when everybody's doing the same shit with the terms of conditions.

[Flip]

Everybody. And we've been beating this. The dead horse, man. Like, especially me saying about how much people are just taking the shit that's going on with Donald Trump.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, let me just reply to that. Sorry, I'm with that. But I'll say for me, those terms and conditions keep me off of these social places. True, I'm on X, but I'm not doing anything on X. But talking on spaces and even that is very limited. I don't do TikTok, I don't do Snapchat. I don't do. I'm not going to Blue sky and all of these. I'm not going because Everybody rules is walkie. Right. But I also have a subscription business.

[Flip]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

So I maybe don't feel the need to. I think that if you had a newsletter where all of the Hillmans you could speak to whenever you wanted and.

[Parks]

They were solely there, like some substack.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Then fuck Twitter.

[Parks]

I think I might just do that.

[Joe Budden]

You should. Yeah, you should. Go ahead, flip.

[Flip]

I was saying that people just taking the Trump shit and Elon Mushit a little bit too hard. And, you know, they're making these decisions, I guess, not just to benefit themselves, you know, I mean, not to benefit themselves, but I guess to. To feel. To make themselves feel comfortable for the next four years.

[Parks]

You know, people don't feel like they have some control. Right. Something about it.

[Flip]

Listen, my mother. I just told my mom, man, she's crashing out, and then she's talking about her job and shit. Like, I'm on the phone with her driving in fucking Colorado. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, it's all right. You know what I mean? Like, you're not the majority. You're actually the minority. You don't. You're not gonna suffer like others will. And unless you. I understand your humanitarian standpoint from it, but you're taking this a little bit too hard. And I spoke to my brother, and I had to call her and tell her that. And she's standing her point, she just feel like everything's happening at one time. And it makes me feel bad. Especially, nigga. Well, you got sons that love you. You know what I mean? Like, is it that deep? Like, we'll be all right, you know? But how can I. I can't tell that's still my mother. She gonna do whatever she wants to do, but I'm just watching this in real time affect people, you know? Like, it's like, what the fuck is going on? You know? Like, what is going on? And can we just focus on ourselves and being a family and making sure that we don't succumb to any laws or whatever that's put in place, you know what I mean? If we can. So that's me. Should have been a crazy weekend, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Sounds like it. Here's to this week being better.

[Flip]

To what?

[Joe Budden]

Here's to this week being better. For all.

[Flip]

Yeah. For all of us. Yeah. I love you guys.

[Parks]

Gotta be.

[Flip]

I love you guys.

[Ice]

Love you back, buddy.

[Joe Budden]

You live across the street from a Target with that tv, it's not even out of the way.

[Flip]

She be over there. She be over there talking little fools and she be lit. You use Instacart?

[Melissa Ford]

I. No, I don't. I really like to go to the grocery store on my own. Do you feel my produce? Pick it on my own. Yeah.

[Flip]

So how long you spend in there? Like 20 minutes.

[Melissa Ford]

The grocery store?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I'm there for like an hour.

[Flip]

Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Can I ask anybody a question as.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing to do.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Parks]

Go ahead.

[Flip]

Okay. Do you get help with your. The items? Do people help you?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I just.

[Flip]

So you pack them shits up yourselves? Nobody like you. Don't sit at the car, just heavily breathe and somebody.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I bring my own bags and I like to pack on my own.

[Flip]

Respect. I just wanted to make sure.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Anyways.

[Flip]

Mel is a legend.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

She can help with anything.

[Parks]

I see where that was going.

[Flip]

I was like, she can help.

[Joe Budden]

All right, Got you. Hold on.

[Mal]

I got you. Let me put those in there.

[Flip]

Hold on. She start carrying. Dropping apples by mistake. Oh, my God, the apple. She's trying to chase it. Yeah, we gotta be careful what we say.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. No damsel in distress at Whole Foods.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of that, keep your little hot ass out of that Erickson room, will you? Check.

[Flip]

You know why you did that last time? Sorry, bro.

[Melissa Ford]

Sometimes I go in there just to say hi to E. Don't though this.

[Flip]

Nigga Joe don't hear this shit.

[Joe Budden]

Keep you a little hot ass. Oh, he know already.

[Flip]

Yo, Mark, last episode, Joe walks back there. Get out. What did I tell you?

[Joe Budden]

Mel's got a podcast that's doing great. She did? Mel? Yes, she started it.

[Ice]

Hot bothered out.

[Joe Budden]

Now she's coming in here and poaching information from.

[Melissa Ford]

I am learning from the best.

[Joe Budden]

Don't, don't. It's fucked up.

[Flip]

Don't each one teach one thing she learned from.

[Mal]

No, that's your move.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Joe, what's my move?

[Mal]

You said when you was at Complex, you went in every office, you talked to everybody getting information. That's Mel saying, all right, I'm gonna go in every room, I'm gonna talk to E, get some info. She might talk to Parks.

[Joe Budden]

The important information. Not the camera set up. That's important, yada, yada.

[Mal]

The product. That's the product.

[Joe Budden]

No, you gotta go figure that out as well. You gotta go find a video person to get you right as fuck as that is. Keep your little hot ass out of that back room, missy.

[Flip]

And she being there on a low, you don't even know where she wet.

[Mal]

She gonna take Ericson to dinner later. Watch.

[Ice]

Right, well that's, that's, that makes more sense than just ask. Asking for the settings.

[Flip]

Yeah, hir.

[Melissa Ford]

I. I wish. I wish I spend some money. I wish I could spend some money. I wish I could hire.

[Joe Budden]

I told her that two weeks ago. Spend some money.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm spending money. That's the thing, spending money.

[Parks]

That was a good segment. It was a good se second episode too.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

[Flip]

Good interview. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

F3 out now.

[Mal]

Oh, let's go.

[Ice]

Mel up now.

[Joe Budden]

Here's a question for you guys that has nothing to do with anything, please.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Mal]

All right, let's have it.

[Joe Budden]

Can I get everybody's profile of the drunk white girl between the age of 25 and 45 that looks like she has ass, but she don't. When you bump into her at the bar or the club where it look like something when she's walking towards you, cuz she got them hips, the wide hips, the wide hips that look like. And then she turn around there. Nothing back there, but she's a little tipsy. Can I just get your profile on that woman? What do you think when you see that woman talking to you and touching you and laughing at you?

[Flip]

Billy Bob, we got her.

[Joe Budden]

Drunk white girl.

[Parks]

Me run, you talking, I stay the away.

[Mal]

Hell no.

[Parks]

That's a case.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Oh, come on guys, stop it.

[Parks]

Stop.

[Flip]

Not the case. She's going right in the car.

[Mal]

It's 2024.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, Mark, she's going right in the car.

[Mal]

That's Crip Run.

[Flip]

She's going. She's going right in the car and drinking you up. The one with the boards, maybe the hips and the board. They drink you right on up. Got milk? Yes, I do.

[Corey]

Wow.

[Flip]

They don't stop. They don't stop. They keep going even after. Even after you shoot your channel.

[Parks]

Wait, hold up.

[Flip]

They don't stop. They still hungry, Mark. Like, we in the car. Your legs shaking. We in the car and they start to look at you. Did you like that? The only problem, the only problem. They don't get the queue to leave. Black women get the queue to leave. They don't get the queue to leave. Like, get out the car. We done it. They want talk after. Yo, how was that? No, then I don't want to talk. A black woman is out the car. She know. Ah, yeah, yeah, you want some Bull. She'll say, yo, you want some? That's all you wanted. And she leave.

[Joe Budden]

We in the strip club the other night, man with my girl, with his wife. We in our back and it's one of them drunk, flat butt white girls not reading the room.

[Ice]

Are you talking about the strippers come?

[Joe Budden]

No, the girl knows. No, she wasn't. She didn't work there.

[Ice]

Oh, the girl over there?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's called touching. And laughing and trying to talk and you giving all the vibes like, yo, my girl is right there with hands beat your ass. Them flat white don't give a. That your girl right there, they try to fuck her too.

[Flip]

Hey, girl, would you. I'm just. I love you both. Oh, my God.

[Ice]

We had a squad of white girls around us for a little minute there, actually. The strippers, though.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. No, I'm talking about the patrons. But yeah, it was white girl Saturday.

[Ice]

It was.

[Parks]

It was white girl.

[Ice]

I was throwing off a little, little bit.

[Flip]

This is not what I came here for.

[Joe Budden]

But hey, man, I get thrown off anytime I see a flat butt.

[Ice]

But still got sm.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, what are you doing on Earth? On Earth. God, y'all still exist. You ain't get that fixed. You ain't see Dr. Mari. Whatever his name is. Anyway, I'm going to slow it down a little bit.

[Flip]

Slow death.

[Joe Budden]

Slow it down so I can really, really enjoy Bruce Leroy walking in slow motion. Oh, shit. So before I get to that, so the Last Dragon is on Netflix. I've seen the last dragon 20 million times.

[Mal]

Please don't tell me they changed something.

[Joe Budden]

But yo, please, why not? I like to. Hey, sometimes I Wish that I could live twice. Not to change shit, just. But whatever the line is, experienced a couple things twice. So I click it to see how I feel as an adult. Has anyone seen the Last Dragon as a full grown adult?

[Parks]

No, I've only seen it. Isn't it.

[Melissa Ford]

I saw a little bit of it.

[Flip]

And I was like, it's in 4K, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, it's terrible.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not what we're talking about.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's still as staticky as it was.

[Flip]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

The last drag. It's not. The one I saw is not in 4K. It's on whatever 80s pixel that was the Last Dragon as an adult is comedy of the years. The funniest thing ever. And there's a few parts that I forgot. I forgot that he seen Show Enough early in the movie and was just ran out. The dude at the top wanted to come fight. Show Enough.

[Mal]

Get out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Show Enough. I didn't realize how Wu Tang inspired the Last Dragon was like, I didn't realize how everybody, how this was like a warriors thing. Everybody was just a martial art.

[Melissa Ford]

Everybody was kung fu fighting.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but Bruce Leroy is such a pussy. And then the little white bald headed boss dude, that was like, this whole movie is sick. It's sick as an adult. So yeah, check, check it out. Just watch 15 minutes. Just watch 20 minutes of it.

[Parks]

I never saw it before until I was like in my 30s, maybe not like late 20s. I was the last nigga on earth to watch the Last Dragon. So when I watched it, I was like, why the fuck does everybody like this movie? The acting is terrible, the script is terrible.

[Joe Budden]

Like when the movie came out, it was one of the best movies ever.

[Flip]

Yeah, when. Yes.

[Parks]

That's what I was expecting. This shit was the worst thing I've ever seen.

[Joe Budden]

This is worse. What was his name?

[Flip]

It was like, what's his name of the movie?

[Melissa Ford]

Tymac. Taymac.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Tay Mac.

[Flip]

Yeah, but a lot.

[Melissa Ford]

Cause he was like a sex symbol. That's why.

[Mal]

And vanity.

[Melissa Ford]

And vanity. Yeah, exactly.

[Flip]

Real quick. A lot of movies change. This nigga don't like Scarface and shit like that.

[Mal]

No, that's. That's not me.

[Ice]

That's part.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry.

[Parks]

You don't like Scarface?

[Ice]

No, I don't like Extremely Over Carry on.

[Flip]

Like, yeah, he like, we've had this conversation.

[Parks]

I'm with him.

[Flip]

You don't like Scarface neither?

[Joe Budden]

No, I do like Scarface, but it is one of the most overrated movies in the history of movies.

[Mal]

You can't call a movie with that level of impact overrated.

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I can.

[Ice]

It's not good.

[Parks]

Yes, I can.

[Ice]

It's okay.

[Flip]

That had an impact.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people from that white wasn't Cuban. Okay, that's number one. That's number one.

[Mal]

We right.

[Joe Budden]

Number two, anytime. I watch Casino. It's great. Yes. And I've seen it 500 times. I'm putting Scarface at the level of the good fellas. The God, the Godfather, usual suspects. I just don't hold Scarface in the league of its heat.

[Ice]

Not even close.

[Joe Budden]

Donnie Brasco, any of.

[Flip]

So would you consider Scarface like a hood classic? Scarface is the first a minority class.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it is.

[Parks]

It's a hood classic.

[Flip]

Minorities shots us.

[Mal]

All classics, but they're not good.

[Parks]

Some of them are. I'm still holding on to state property, but one and two movie. It's just a good movie.

[Joe Budden]

You can have it. Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You can have that.

[Parks]

But yeah. Scarf. I feel you. I get what you're saying now. It's not among the elite gang knots.

[Joe Budden]

Not the way that we put here.

[Flip]

I like belly, somebody. You don't like belly?

[Mal]

Belly is terrible.

[Parks]

Belly is terrible. Let's just go to Africa. Like, they didn't even show a picture of Africa. It was just a darkness.

[Mal]

Yo, yo, yo. Africa's far.

[Parks]

Africa's far.

[Joe Budden]

Right? That's up. And then as an adult, we learn it.

[Parks]

It ain't right.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't really that far.

[Parks]

It's really not. Yeah, that movie was terrible. All the acting was. Everything about Belly was there.

[Ice]

Except for the intro.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Parks]

Except for the soundtrack.

[Joe Budden]

And teacher Terrell Hicks in that blue.

[Ice]

Well, that too.

[Joe Budden]

Under that blue light.

[Parks]

That's fair.

[Joe Budden]

Wanted to pop Tara Hicks for a long time under that blue light. Yes. Don't hate.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not hating. She's stunning.

[Joe Budden]

No, she's big enough.

[Melissa Ford]

She's stunning.

[Joe Budden]

It is time to hate.

[Flip]

Why you playing this? Slumber more. I can see Mel walking in the roof slowly. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Playing it slow so we can savor the moment for a little bit. I'll put it back at this right tempo. So, hey, Slow death. Been waiting for this one to fall. No more Mandy. No more this.

[Parks]

Why you think so petty? So petty.

[Flip]

Holy. Yo, you really the last dragon for real.

[Parks]

He survived.

[Mal]

Look at his face. Look at his face.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I love this. Absolutely love this. Let's go. Hey, why not? Why not? So we have a little tradition we do up here at the jbp.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing. I'm just singing we have a little.

[Joe Budden]

Tradition we do up here at the jbp. When a podcast ends, it ends things, cancels, no longer publishes content. We play this little jam right here. All right, ISO on who heads for Joe. Tails for Mel.

[Flip]

Tails.

[Joe Budden]

Heads for Joe. Tales for men.

[Ice]

Well, I think we have an expert in the female dominated podcast space.

[Flip]

And we don't have a. And we don't have a coin.

[Joe Budden]

We don't need one.

[Flip]

Okay, it's tails.

[Joe Budden]

We don't need one. It's tails. Now, Mel is a girl's girl, so she may not want to partake in any of this, but just for suspense purposes, I'm gonna throw the ball her way. Watch her throw it out of bounds. Mel, do you have anything to say about failed podcasters who've been shooting at you for years? And when I say failed, I'm being facetious.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm being facetious.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

The Horrible Decisions podcast has come to an end. They announced. And I don't want to say that they announced it because they said this chapter.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they've got a. They got a message. It says we have some bittersweet.

[Joe Budden]

You got it queued right up. Oh.

[Flip]

That'S the fastest she's ever had something queued up. Hey, what to say?

[Joe Budden]

Big mail.

[Melissa Ford]

I am not on a failed podcaster.

[Joe Budden]

Big Mel. So look, that's Mel Shade. I'm not on that list.

[Melissa Ford]

We have some bittersweet news to share with all of you. We have decided to end this chapter of Horrible Decisions. We want to take a moment to express our heartfelt gratitude for joining us on this incredible journey. Your support has meant the world to us. Next week will be the final episode. Thank you for being a part of our story. Eight years.

[Ice]

They did it.

[Mal]

They did it.

[Joe Budden]

You got to clap it up. We can't be all the way haters. Sometimes you got to show a little bit of love. Eight years is a long time. Very innovative pod in the space. Some would say that they created the lane that would later be stolen by the hawk to a girl and to call her Daddy Crew. So hats off to both Mandy and Weezy for such a long run.

[Melissa Ford]

Successful tours.

[Joe Budden]

Not many podcasts emulate that or have such a run. They've done tours. They fucking engraved, engraved themselves in the hearts of their fans. So they do have a disappointed fan base out there. So we want to acknowledge that because I think that did hit the black pod world, I wanna say by surprise, but to some people, maybe not. Cause you bitches been hating each other for the last six Years. I was a shock. Y'all lasted the final end of that run. But even that's to be commended, right? Like, going to work. Not really. Getting along the greatest with your co host and still getting the job done because the show must go on.

[Melissa Ford]

Professionalism by all costs. Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So I do wanna tip my hat to. To those women anxious to see what they have in store. What each one of. No, I'm not. I'm lying. I don't care what either one of them do. I don't care what either one of them do from this point on. But hats off. Hats off and salute.

[Parks]

So I'm new to this. I know I do a little bit of googling and stuff, so I know there was some tension. Where are you with them in the sense of, like, are you at a stage where I just don't fuck with them, or are you at a stage where, like, I'm happy when things go back for them and I don't think.

[Melissa Ford]

It'S a them thing.

[Parks]

There are people I don't fuck with. I'm indifferent.

[Joe Budden]

Not the same thing.

[Parks]

You could be indifferent.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, if I'm talking shit on a pod, it's probably performative. Like, I don't know either one of them well enough to carry on grudge and all of that shit. Like, this is solely a business performative type of thing. And just because people don't necessarily rock with me don't mean that it's vice versa.

[Parks]

How about you?

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna celebrate anytime any pod ends it. It's not just. It's not just about everybody to fail but me.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You mad at that?

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't a criticism. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Jizza said it, but. Yeah, I don't have any ill will toward either one of them. I see Mandy saying that. Stay tuned. She has great things on the horizon. And I love when people lie like that, like there's nothing great on the horizon.

[Flip]

That's crazy. Why would you say that?

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Cause it's true.

[Flip]

You don't know that.

[Joe Budden]

I know. I'm telling you. You gave the studio to Savon. Savon's running the studio now.

[Flip]

But it still hurts, right?

[Joe Budden]

Move. Dead landing. New York's expensive. I don't know. I'm not in nobody's business. See, the thing is, ends, there's the fight there. Now this one ends. There's an ongoing joke online at any time. Amandy Cole's getting a happy relationship. She ends the podcast. So I'm just enjoying the Jokes. I'm enjoying the fodder. And I'm enjoying seeing podcasters have to stop for whatever reason, because there's always 20 gabillion reasons to stop. And sometimes you just gotta keep going.

[Flip]

How you feel, Mel? This nigga's nasty, son.

[Parks]

No, how you feel about it? I see I'm seeing very expressive gesticulations.

[Ice]

Gesticulations.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't. Don't use that.

[Joe Budden]

He's married you. I gotta catch them. Educating, educated. Flirting. Don't use that word. Big word.

[Parks]

Y'all stupid, man.

[Flip]

That's close to.

[Joe Budden]

We so immature.

[Ice]

Children.

[Flip]

Gesticulation was close to.

[Melissa Ford]

Anyways. I mean, I'm a little indifferent. Little indifferent.

[Flip]

Can we play it back down?

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, okay, okay. I would like to know the T. I'm not gonna lie. I'd like to know the T as to how they finally came to this, you know, this decision, because he's right. The rumor is that they haven't been able to get along with each other for a very long time, so. And just to continuously show up. That's commendable, but I don't really like the team.

[Joe Budden]

And to be fair, they both have out outside businesses and ventures.

[Parks]

Yeah, like, they're gonna be fine.

[Flip]

It's true.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, three studios.

[Flip]

Yo, man, you're a legend, man. Like, yo. Well, you don't want to shoot at nobody.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what's called diplomacy.

[Joe Budden]

Teach them, big man.

[Flip]

I didn't graduate. I don't know what a diploma feels like, so. But what. What I'm saying is that the way you just get around shit is just. I'm just watching you, man. Like, Michael Jackson would be proud you moonwalked your way right out of that shit. Ed, big them up. Yeah, a lot of studio. And when she's shooting at you, n. She's not holding back. We talking about Terminator. We talking about why did they shoot that mill?

[Mal]

I don't know the story.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know, but it's not. They.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's. It's. That's what you guys say about just Mandy.

[Parks]

Why does. I don't know Mandy. So why.

[Melissa Ford]

Neither do I. Oh, so it's not.

[Parks]

Like a friendship that fell out?

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Parks]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Flip]

You think it's just hate, Mel, just focus.

[Melissa Ford]

It's just speculative.

[Joe Budden]

Mandy masks.

[Flip]

Mel, you're not gonna use a student.

[Joe Budden]

I'm critiquing one of the pods that I listen to.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, the concern faded 2010 when I didn't have a pod, but okay. It goes all the way back there.

[Parks]

Oh, wow. Okay, I understand now.

[Joe Budden]

Let me not be immature for two seconds. And when I say two seconds, that's all I mean. I mean, just two seconds. Seconds. If I were either one of them, I'd have to. We would fight over this. H. We would fight over this. It's not going to be as simple as we're ending this brand and that's that. Nope.

[Melissa Ford]

It was so successful.

[Joe Budden]

No, sir. I would do the Alex Cooper and kick my co host to the side and rebrand this thing.

[Mal]

But maybe that could be what the next chapter.

[Parks]

The next chapter is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then I'm not allowing my co host to include that. If I'm in the announcement. If I'm not included.

[Flip]

But why they.

[Mal]

Maybe one wants to leave.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And maybe one is like you said, they got. I don't know. But they could have other going. Well, this could be time consuming. This could be. All right, you know what? I don't really want to do this no more. I want to go over here.

[Joe Budden]

That's cool. You go ahead.

[Mal]

I'm going to take the brand and.

[Joe Budden]

Do this back to the me and this argument from the last part. Then I'm questioning the value of whatever there is to fight over or not fight over. If one of y'all just gonna easily walk away from it. Either you are really, really noble or wasn't much value here.

[Parks]

Right.

[Mal]

Or it ain't worth it no more.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Some people could be like, yo, I'm done with this shit. Like again, y'all said they haven't been fucking with each other for years, however long that could be.

[Joe Budden]

Because I don't want us to be circular again here. One could be done with it and leave. If half of it is mine, then there's a fight to be had.

[Flip]

What's the fight? If y'all both came up with a.

[Joe Budden]

Decision, call your lawyer, I'll call mine. But there are conversations to be had.

[Flip]

And this could be the end of this.

[Mal]

Could be where we got to.

[Flip]

Yeah, cool.

[Mal]

Let's dissolve this shit.

[Parks]

Is one person significantly more talented than the other?

[Joe Budden]

I couldn't say because, I mean, some.

[Parks]

Part might walk away like, look, this is a thing, but it's only a thing because of me.

[Ice]

So I can walk good.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

I'm sad.

[Joe Budden]

I really don't.

[Parks]

I haven't heard the podcast. You were doing so well. You were doing so well. You did a solid like 60 seconds.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking, dog. I didn't start a party Mature.

[Mal]

We don't. You Tell us.

[Joe Budden]

You told us. I don't care.

[Mal]

You want us to be more immature.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. I would like to see what they have coming next. I'm with Mel. I do want to know the tea and I do wish them well. So let me not. Let me not joke. I wish. I wish.

[Parks]

That's nice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. They weren't in my way. No, for real. It's a female pod about. About female. Like that didn't have nothing to do with nothing. So, I mean, go ahead, rock out. But if it was me. Nah, I'm fighting that same Mandy Bridget fight about who gets what and rights and. Yeah, no, I'm having that. She.

[Flip]

It's me.

[Joe Budden]

And I would just like to know this. The, the. The state of things with the name of the pod being Horrible decisions. Horrible W H O R E Horrible, Horrible decisions.

[Melissa Ford]

And some of the problems.

[Joe Budden]

And some of the problems that can come along, along with getting. Finding advertisers and sponsors for that style content. Yeah, that can be rough. That can be rough. When you, when you are controversial, edgy, shock jockey, or just talking about shit that don't appeal to middle America. Right. Like if you're not making your bones in the outer la, Chicago, the main cities, then that could be tough. That could be up. So I'll be watching. I'll be watching. Congrats for the run.

[Ice]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Congrats for the run.

[Melissa Ford]

Definitely.

[Joe Budden]

Eight years is. It is a run. It is a run. I seen POD stop a lot faster.

[Mal]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

A lot faster.

[Mal]

I stopped one very fast.

[Joe Budden]

But just so we're clear, let's not be too celebratory and congrat.

[Flip]

No, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

Congratulatory.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, that.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Corey]

Let'S go.

[Flip]

Are you ready? Oh, I forgot.

[Joe Budden]

Mandy went on a little Joe rant. I forgot about that. A lot happened this week. Yeah, I just be forgetting about.

[Flip]

She did.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because of a stupid. Ish. That shit. Ish. Sat in, said in that little fight we had, he wanted to tell me who I'm fly with and who I talk to and yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. And then she said, yo, we left the network. Why did she say she left? They left the network. Because I didn't want to pay. Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to pay.

[Flip]

And fighting for a friendship.

[Parks]

That's why. As if he was happy about it. Cause I just seen that news this week and I was like, the timing was interested nobody.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have no real malice toward, toward Mandy. But again, to anybody out there to Make a son. To whom? Yeah, to whom it may concern. Let's use this as a teachable moment. I've said it to her, I'll say it to y'all. If you want to own it, I ain't paying you. It's yours. Like, I don't know why that's such a tough concept for people to grasp. If you own the house, you gotta pay for the landscaping. You pay for the flooring, you pay when some shit break. Sorry.

[Parks]

I mean.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't for everybody. No, it ain't for everybody.

[Parks]

It's not for Tiffany Haddish.

[Joe Budden]

What happened to Tiffany Haddish?

[Parks]

She was. She is a tenant, apparently. Apparently. Speaking of ownership and tenant wasn't paying rent. And apparently she saw that tenant courtside at the game.

[Flip]

Did you see this?

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

And she hot. She was not. Can you imagine? Owe you money. You see, of course, out of the.

[Joe Budden]

Game, you can't be hot because you.

[Flip]

Don'T know how they got the ticket. They could be a plus one.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you can't be hot.

[Mal]

Yes, I can.

[Flip]

It can be a plus one.

[Joe Budden]

You could be hot. But I mean, I'm gona be hot. I don't think it's valid. No, no, no.

[Mal]

I'm gonna be hot, though. I owe you money.

[Joe Budden]

Have not paid rent and went to Dave and Buster's, went to have a blast.

[Parks]

David bus is different.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying. Went out to have fun and spend some.

[Parks]

But I'm saying, but that's just such an extravagant expense. Like if you go to David buses, I'm like, okay, you know, you know, it's Pookie's birthday, whatever. But if I saw you with a new, with a new business, I'm like, come on, bro. Like, you could have paid your rent. If I see somebody I know how much court size seat somebody. Court size seats is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you also know. Yeah, because you have them season long, but you then, then you also know that there's family and friends. There's. Are you a player? There's the company seats, there's the company suites. There's. You're just a plus one. I was Kaiser plus one at one of them games that last year courtside. And I could have not paid rent that month.

[Parks]

I take, I take you on, I take you on the plus one. But if you spent a dollar on them seats. I want my room money. I want my money.

[Joe Budden]

But how you gonna know? You gonna walk over there, you gonna.

[Melissa Ford]

Ask, well, what did she end up doing?

[Parks]

Blasting on social media.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, see that's cool. Corny.

[Parks]

Oh, that's corny. I don't think that's corny.

[Mal]

I'm just saying being upset with it.

[Parks]

I understand. Yeah. As a former landlord, I hate it when people didn't pay the bills. And I saw new like. I mean, I was renting in North Philly, like in the hood, but wouldn't pay me for three months and it'd be new satellites on the wall. And I used to hate that you answer the door with a chain on like that. Come on, man.

[Mal]

I mean, they thought you were sweet.

[Parks]

They. They did.

[Mal]

That's all. I mean, they did that, man.

[Ice]

You're no longer a landlord, so.

[Mal]

Yeah, they want you.

[Parks]

Yeah, I definitely sold the cribs. I couldn't fuck with it no more.

[Joe Budden]

And I never want to see the tenant.

[Parks]

Oh, I used to hate that shit.

[Joe Budden]

I never want to see the tenant. Hired a company that's going to deal with the tenant.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was. It was hood low. Like low income. Yeah, I couldn't afford. I mean it wouldn't been worth it. That's why I got rid of it. It wasn't. It wasn't worth it, man. I wasn't built for that.

[Joe Budden]

And you said Flip was hard up.

[Parks]

Oh, this was 25 years ago.

[Joe Budden]

All right, just call back.

[Parks]

Well done.

[Joe Budden]

Well done to go for my man.

[Parks]

And I didn't say Flip. I didn't say Flip was hard enough. I said looked hard up.

[Flip]

Oh, difference.

[Joe Budden]

There's a difference.

[Flip]

What's the look on hard up again?

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Mal]

Got him.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he told you earlier, the pocket watcher.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And always complain about money.

[Flip]

Look what. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

He just do that also as a deterrent so people don't at him.

[Flip]

You don't even want to understand it. But you would never clear it up. You sit there. That's why you understand what I do. But you always step on my.

[Joe Budden]

Because I still think you should stop. But I know. I know why you do it.

[Flip]

You step on it and you that and you put me out there to the wolves. And I can survive because you have.

[Joe Budden]

Painted me in a horrible light with all these pockets and me, you and Sade Joe.

[Flip]

Flip. Think about what you're saying, Flip. I paint you in a horrible light. You know, I don't give anything you.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Flip]

Yeah, I was. I had to.

[Parks]

I have to.

[Mal]

You don't think you contribute to that?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I want to be accountable.

[Parks]

So no.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm sure a portion of it. But you know what he wouldn't say Misrepresenting myself.

[Flip]

He Wouldn't say, yo. He wouldn't say that. Ice would say, yo, when Flip coming here, watch what's gonna happen. He wouldn't say it's. It's encouraged. But don't say that. He let they kick. He let them kick my back in. And I understand. They could get tired.

[Mal]

You like that shit, though.

[Flip]

I do, but not when he says it. I don't like that. I do understand From a fan's perspective, yo, that gets tiring. Like we're hearing it. It's redundant. Cool, we get it. What are you getting at? But he knows I'm not getting at any. He knows I don't say anything. It stops here. Yo, I see you, yo. Hey, I can't wait to get in. Yo, I saw that fly. And I go home. I don't complain about nothing. I have my own shit. He watches me too, but he doesn't say it on here. Yo, I saw that. Yo. You got that new car, yo. I see that, yo. I heard you got this, yo. I saw that studio, like, that's our thing. I just do it more. I'm excessive with it because the nigga show it off all the time. So, you know, But I. What do you do? You tried to hide the watch when you first. I could go down the list. When you had. When you first had. How about this? When a nigga got this, Corey pointed. Corey pointed at it. Oh, shit. Corey did that.

[Melissa Ford]

It's coveraged up here.

[Joe Budden]

In the spirit of the show, I hear.

[Flip]

Because he don't hold me down.

[Joe Budden]

In the spirit of the show, I think things should always be clowned and highlighted.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

That is the true spirit of this show.

[Flip]

So you think it should stop at some point.

[Joe Budden]

Flip side. Got it. You think I show off, Joe, that is a serious question.

[Flip]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, nigga.

[Mal]

We follow you, we know you, we talk to you, we see you.

[Flip]

You didn't do that before you show off.

[Mal]

Hell, yeah. Yo, E, E, I'll throw this iverson at you, E. I know you got.

[Flip]

The maximum downstairs, but chill, E. Wow.

[Joe Budden]

I don't like that, Joe.

[Flip]

You don't think. Joe, you don't show off.

[Mal]

I think you. I think you show off and I'm happy that you do it.

[Flip]

And you know what's, cuz?

[Mal]

I remember you when you couldn't do none of this. That's why I encourage you.

[Flip]

But his was ill about it.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think you're really a show off. I think that you're ostentatious.

[Joe Budden]

But I give me a little Word of support. Come on.

[Flip]

Well, let me say. Let me say this real quick. Corey. Corey, let me support him.

[Joe Budden]

They jumping me.

[Mal]

Say he got osteoporosis.

[Flip]

He don't mind.

[Melissa Ford]

Ostentatious.

[Flip]

He don't mind Sade posting it neither. He doesn't mind.

[Mal]

Well, you're not supposed to mind.

[Flip]

He doesn't. So Sade post a fly Shit. That's how niggas. It's not him doing it. It's some like. It's some orchestrated pyramid scheme.

[Parks]

Show on.

[Mal]

Your girl is supposed to do that.

[Flip]

I think it's flowers. You.

[Parks]

I want a cape, but I'm a cape.

[Flip]

I think the nigga done went so long without doing that. Got it.

[Parks]

That the minute that you do show.

[Flip]

Some level of just, I guess, leveling up, people consider it showing off, but it's real.

[Joe Budden]

What do I show on my page? Like, honestly? Yeah, honestly. For real.

[Flip]

Being. I mean, the car thing is a little.

[Joe Budden]

The car thing is window shopping. I didn't show when I bought it.

[Melissa Ford]

The assumption is. The assumption. The assumption is if you're at the car dealership, you're probably leaving with doing.

[Joe Budden]

My due diligence, looking around to see what's going on.

[Flip]

You look down on that window shop. I heard you say it. You look down. I window shop, but you look down on this.

[Joe Budden]

Window shopping is a large part of how I manifest. That's my whole life I've been looking at. I can't afford.

[Flip]

You got the lines. You got the lines.

[Joe Budden]

I just had that show off. See, that's what I mean about the misrepresentation of Joe Button up here.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. I add to that with the pores and the commoners and all of that. That's funny. And I. I never want to change that.

[Mal]

I think it's fun.

[Joe Budden]

Show off. Ain't nothing up there but stripper ass. But you show off and more stripper ass.

[Parks]

Do you think you show off on the show?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Flip]

So maybe if it wasn't highlighted, it wouldn't be considered showing off. No, it's.

[Parks]

Cause the nigga used to wear holy.

[Flip]

Tank tops, and now all of a.

[Parks]

Sudden you see a change, so it just automatically get deemed as showing up. It's just leveling yourself to a point.

[Mal]

It's leveling up before, it should say.

[Joe Budden]

Like, look at all them outfits you wear up here.

[Flip]

He got such and such and such and such.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's just on the show now because you've said that. But wait, that's not me making an effort to come and say you looking at it. Yo, this is five grand. This is.

[Mal]

Hold on. Because at the same time, she grabbed one of your jackets or the dog sat on the jacket. You like, hey, this is Chanel. Chanel. This is five grand. This is you. That's.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that was shown off. That was. Get your dusty little fucking furball off of my face.

[Flip]

What was that little shit? He had that long. That shit. You talking about that long. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm gonna do all that. Listen, my job up here is to make this show appeal to as many people as it can appeal to. I do all that for my fashion heads out there.

[Ice]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Parks]

I gotta get up now.

[Joe Budden]

Now.

[Parks]

He was riding with you, too.

[Flip]

Yo, this fashion has to listen to this show.

[Joe Budden]

Look at E. You are the person.

[Flip]

To speak to them.

[Joe Budden]

Are y'all the people to speak to?

[Flip]

No, we can't speak to none of these.

[Joe Budden]

No, see, I disagree with that.

[Parks]

Joe, you buy expensive.

[Flip]

Wait, let me finish.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the same with the gay jokes. That killed me for. Yes. And I dragged a little too long. But. But we have a large gay pop community out there listening to the fucking show.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Get this shit off. I think y'all just step up to the plate, talk more about that Zara shit.

[Parks]

Nigga, this ain't Zara.

[Flip]

Shut up.

[Parks]

But, no, I get it.

[Flip]

You're right.

[Parks]

So when you talk about your new car, you're doing that for the car consumer audience member.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even talk about my new car that's coming tomorrow.

[Ice]

Oh, wait, you got another one.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say one word about it.

[Flip]

Did you just say tomorrow?

[Joe Budden]

And if y'all never brought it up, I would have never said nothing about it.

[Parks]

I hate this, man. I hate this.

[Ice]

For the same month.

[Joe Budden]

3.

[Parks]

3. Good thing he don't show off.

[Flip]

This.

[Joe Budden]

Lined up outside, that's showing off.

[Flip]

You see this?

[Joe Budden]

What I'm saying? Freeze.

[Flip]

Yo, Mom, I might have drove from the front seat.

[Joe Budden]

The keys died.

[Mal]

We all.

[Joe Budden]

Line them up in the front of Cat.

[Flip]

The best is taking that off your hands. You know what I'm saying? He bought Wifey Jo.

[Parks]

Oh, I seen that on Instagram.

[Flip]

I love that.

[Parks]

I got that DM, too.

[Flip]

He fought hard.

[Parks]

I got that DM2. You ruining my life.

[Mal]

Yes, that one. That caused a little ripple.

[Flip]

You. Wow. Can't.

[Joe Budden]

No, could do it. Just don't have to be that. I don't. Yeah, she could have got the base model range, but she was like, oh.

[Mal]

She got a car. She got. She had the Bow on it and everything for her birthday. That was nice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Flip]

I knew he was going to do.

[Ice]

You would never imagine yourself doing nothing like that, right?

[Mal]

Did it already. She just crashed it. Got to get another one.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Come on.

[Mal]

Two cars already?

[Parks]

Are you serious?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ice]

Could have bought one range.

[Mal]

I'm about to take your advice. You getting a driver now?

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm inspired by you. Sh. Move her ass the up here so I could drive that car. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, there you go. Enough now. She been making turkey wings ever since I bought that car.

[Flip]

Get your ass.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Flip]

I'm giving it back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you know, I figured mine out. I figured mine out. A lot of her value. She get her shit off being domesticated. But we long distance, so I don't get that. I just get the name nagging. Move your ass.

[Mal]

Okay, let's go now.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. Send them kids to school somewhere.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

And make some turkey wings.

[Mal]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. It better be something new fresh every night. Yeah, make a cheesecake. You better be Martha Stewart.

[Flip]

Hey, no.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Mal]

Come on. No, Joe.

[Flip]

You.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mal]

You dead ass.

[Flip]

He not wrong.

[Mal]

I come in here with. You're like, damn, what's that? No, that's home cooked.

[Parks]

Still don't get no cooking.

[Flip]

You don't?

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Well, she works.

[Parks]

That's true. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's just work.

[Flip]

But you would like some.

[Parks]

I was just saying just because they.

[Flip]

Keep getting over.

[Joe Budden]

The same way.

[Mal]

She send you the message every time.

[Flip]

When I left. What you make a cover chicken. I said, show me the pot.

[Mal]

You gotta go flip some over now.

[Flip]

That crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's. That's great.

[Flip]

Make it more money. Has been. I want to go back. No, I don't. But when I was up and it's like her get back. Like, she gave me her tips from like to do whatever. Yo, I was fronting with the. Gave me her money. She get a big. In the envelope. Yo, here, take it. Do whatever you want with it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Flip]

You know what I'm saying? So, like, I can't say nothing.

[Parks]

But it's like, no, you can't complain about all that restoration Hardware, but it's.

[Flip]

Taking my manhood away. Like it's junior watching. And he laughing at me like, pops, get out of here. You ain't talking about nothing. I'll take that down when I get home. I tried to act. I was throwing the Dyson out the window. They laugh what the we doing with this big ass Dyson? That blow head like this, yo, Flip.

[Mal]

Hate that Dyson.

[Flip]

I put my hand through. What the is that?

[Parks]

Why do I even need that? Purifies clean air.

[Flip]

Then she told me I bought the Dyson headphones, cuz I bought the purified headphones. But that's. I made money, so I wanted to try it. She said, you bought that why I can't buy this? But that was a long time ago. That's like seven months ago ago. She got me. Every time I leave. Every time I leave. It's some shit, man. Every time she's just smiling. Pick me up from the airport today. I can't take the car. I don't give a fuck. Just do what you want to do.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if it was that episode that we shot with all the wives, but I'll snitch and tell you how she bodied. This one made me feel a little warm inside. God of the truck. Which is funny. So between us, the joke is. Yeah, but I mean, still ringless. Still ringless. Nah.

[Ice]

We kind of set you up bad during that episode.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all ain't.

[Mal]

I'm glad we wasn't there for no.

[Joe Budden]

No parks at the end. And they kept doing. Yeah, our wives. I mean, partners. You took the step. I almost went to city hall. Well, anyway, so she's like, yeah, but I'm still. I'm still ringless. And I'm like, yeah, now we get to that soon. One day.

[Mal]

I mean, just.

[Joe Budden]

Shit, I'm ready now. Call your lawyer.

[Ice]

Call your lawyer.

[Joe Budden]

Call your lawyer.

[Mal]

I'll call mine.

[Flip]

Let's get this.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get this.

[Parks]

Nigga's ill. You went shamar Moore. You know that's the Shemar Moore thing right now.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I did not know that. Oh, yeah. I don't know what that means.

[Parks]

Shemar Moore is catching some heat on the Internet because they asked him about marrying his longtime girlfriend. Partner.

[Mal]

How long?

[Parks]

Yeah, something crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I waited, what, 17 years.

[Parks]

I don't know how long they've been. I don't know how long they've been together. I can't say.

[Mal]

Well, he's still trying to. He's still trying to figure it out, but they got to jump rush into something.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's true. But wait. But wait before because I want to finish this and then talk to you. I want to hear about this. This sounds super interesting. So I say, yeah, call your. Call your lawyer. I'll call mine. Get him on the phone. Let's get Draw the Paperwork up, and we'll get it done. You know, she looked at me and said, the.

[Ice]

Are you talking about I don't need.

[Joe Budden]

I don't need.

[Mal]

No.

[Joe Budden]

I don't need a lawyer paperwork.

[Ice]

She need a ring.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I want you. Like, no, no, no. That's what I said.

[Mal]

I miss.

[Joe Budden]

It's a trick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She continued, you drop what you need to draw up, and I'll sign it. Oh, I got you out of there. I just want to be with you. It's like, yeah.

[Flip]

Gotcha. We got him.

[Mal]

No, stop.

[Joe Budden]

I cried a little. I shed a little thug.

[Mal]

Holy shit.

[Joe Budden]

I text my lawyer, yo, man, yo.

[Flip]

Yo, yo, get that. Yo, throw that up. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

And get it together. She's ready set over real quick.

[Ice]

Hey, listen, after those first. First couple years with your accountant, you're gonna be like, I'm. Maybe I should have did this a little earlier.

[Mal]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

That's true. I'm thinking, what? No. Yeah, that's the benefit.

[Ice]

My dumbass was like, I bought it this last year. And then I was like, oh, yeah, that.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Mal]

Oh, no.

[Flip]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, let me shut up, because I'm not married. I listen to him, but not a.

[Mal]

Way he over here saying it is.

[Joe Budden]

Like, that's what my text dude was talking about. Married, or do you plan on being married and the next six months? I was like, no. Why? He was like, all right, well, we'll throw all of these perks to the side that you could get these exemptions. This. I mean, I do love her. That is my baby now. Nah, for real. That's why. Yo. That's why these is out here getting married. Because they love their girl. Well, it is a little bit. That's what it is, a little bit.

[Parks]

But that's why I got married.

[Mal]

That's what marriage.

[Ice]

Realized it was a thing. Until after a couple years, I was like, oh.

[Parks]

Oh.

[Mal]

Should start clicking.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. See, now I don't know if I want a big wedding or a small wedding since this is happening so soon.

[Parks]

It's a busy weekend.

[Joe Budden]

That changed a little bit.

[Flip]

What?

[Parks]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, Shaman Mo.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

He was faced with a similar quack.

[Joe Budden]

M. We have to find out how long.

[Flip]

Quagmire.

[Melissa Ford]

Love that word.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

What the. I'm sorry, why you keep.

[Flip]

Wait, are you okay?

[Parks]

Can't like words.

[Flip]

Quagmire you up. We stretch your legs now.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, she's quite the word Smith herself, but I'm not used to urging that damn word.

[Flip]

Come on.

[Mal]

Haven't heard it in A while he.

[Flip]

Was a character or Family Guy, new miniseries.

[Joe Budden]

We have to find out how long he's been with his partner.

[Mal]

They've 15 years. Their relationship history goes back 15 years.

[Joe Budden]

That's enough. All right.

[Parks]

So they said to him, like, are you going to be married to her? And he told People, People magazine, by the way, he said his current girlfriend is his partner in crime. Meaning, like, that's my person whether we get married or not. They got. They welcomed their first child.

[Joe Budden]

He got to use that person shit.

[Parks]

But he said, but he said he, quote, doesn't see marriage in their future. Not just not now. He said, I don't see it in our future. And he said to me, this is where he went. Full nigga, right? I love this. To me, it's just like, tomorrow's not guaranteed. But Jessara, that's his girl. I'll give you everything I got today and tomorrow. She is my partner. She is the mother of Frankie. Frankie has a dope ass mama. And I'm gonna try to be a dope ass daddy. And we gonna do that until God calls my name. And. But then when they asked him why, he said, because he didn't have a good model for marriage. He said, I didn't have a good role model of marriage in my life. Not my mother, not my father, nobody close to me. But here's the kicker for me. Oh. Is when they asked him about why, and he basically said, I'm trying to see if I got the quote. But basically what he said is, I mean, marriage is supposed to be about trust. And a prenup, is that really trust?

[Mal]

So he's saying if he can't marry her without the prenup, then he don't feel the need to be married, he shouldn't be marrying her.

[Parks]

But he does need a prenup.

[Mal]

But he needs a prenup.

[Joe Budden]

Did. Did anybody go to Tasha K. And see what his partner said? Anybody hitting Milagro to see what. What his wife or partner thinks about this? Somebody going to talk to her.

[Parks]

Oh, they going to talk to her.

[Joe Budden]

They're going to find her.

[Mal]

They going to talk to her or not?

[Parks]

As bad as this sounds, they killing them on it. Women in particular are dragging him on the Internet right now.

[Joe Budden]

Well, women have some grace. There is another reason that he may not want to marry her.

[Flip]

Oh, shit. Dwight Howard reason? Yep. Oh, shit. I'm just asking. Oh, shit. The cops.

[Joe Budden]

They're coming.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Mal]

Nah, don't say freeze.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, bro, stop.

[Flip]

Wrong, Joe.

[Parks]

All that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying. I'M not gonna say it, because I do have. I do have respect for the man. Yeah. So I'm not gonna say it, but. But I'm gonna try to think it really hard so y'all can focus this on the butt.

[Flip]

But listen, if nobody confirms that, why do we. Why do people assume things like that?

[Joe Budden]

Because I saw all the soul trains.

[Flip]

There's only two.

[Joe Budden]

One I didn't just watch Dawn. I seen when he was there with the Cornrows. And I seen my other show that he was on, too.

[Melissa Ford]

Criminal Minds.

[Joe Budden]

Criminal Minds. I appreciate that.

[Flip]

So you think that he's.

[Joe Budden]

I think that. Not him. Let me take it off him, because.

[Parks]

You know, I don't know nothing about him.

[Joe Budden]

Take it off him. We'll take. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that to be factual, so. However, for the rest of y'all, with. With beards, I could see your nigga saying, how dare you marry that bitch? I can see your secret gay lover saying, we've been together for 20 years. I dare you marry that. You could keep her. Don't listen.

[Flip]

Beards.

[Joe Budden]

Beards is out here.

[Flip]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about him, but I could see a nigga's saying, marry her if you want my. I tell you.

[Parks]

But isn't that part of what you sign up for with the weird like that they might be. That they might get married, but you still gonna be on the side and be a priority? Like, a lot of Hollywood people get married to put the front up. Like, I'm gonna marry this woman, and then you still gonna have to do it on the side.

[Mal]

That's the Hollywood model.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but what you think that everybody gets. Every partner gets to be jealous, except for the.

[Parks]

I'm just saying that might be what.

[Joe Budden]

They signed up for, like, the gay dudes. Cause I'm with you. I agree with that. That should be part of the beard marriage.

[Flip]

I do. Yeah, I do.

[Joe Budden]

But if you have a gay lover that's jealous, territorial, overprotective, spiteful, just.

[Flip]

Yeah, I can see that getting sticky on the side.

[Ice]

Is that the cheek?

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Ice]

See, because the beard covers the.

[Flip]

I have a question to you guys.

[Joe Budden]

That's dramas.

[Flip]

I have a question to you guys as been fans of celebrities and stuff like that. When you hear. When you.

[Joe Budden]

I got you, buddy.

[Flip]

When you hear that they're gay or you hear some. You know. You know they're bisexual, do you think that they always had. Or do you think that when. Listen. Or do you think that when they became a Celebrity. They had sex with so many women and did everything that they can do that they wanted to try something new.

[Joe Budden]

Can we mark that down? Because all the gays don't have.

[Flip]

I'm not telling all.

[Ice]

Fuck you up.

[Flip]

I don't want to fight nobody. I don't want to fight no gays. I fuck with them. That's not what it is. You do. No, I'm cool. Now, listen, that nigga's always gotta make it salacious. I'm just asking a question that, like when you hear about the story about Richard Pryor or Luther Van, like these story about people, that you may think that they have a lot of women.

[Parks]

Do you think that you thought Luther Vandals had a lot of women?

[Flip]

Well, no, I'm just saying.

[Parks]

I mean, he was the president of Patti LaBelle Fan Club when he was 15. That was the first time.

[Flip]

Hold me down, ma. You know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

This is what I was. A couple things, right? First, I don't think that Hollywood makes you gay. I think that, you know, people are gay and then they go to Hollywood and sometimes you have to perform a certain thing to be acceptable. Especially in the 80s and 90s. Half the R&B singers in the 80s and 90s were gay. A lot of our favorite singers and athletes, among other things, were gay. But they couldn't be that heartthrob Rock Hudson. Rock Hudson's a classic example, right? And he.

[Flip]

He ended up.

[Melissa Ford]

He died of AIDS.

[Parks]

He died of AIDS. Died of AIDS. But in the 80s it was considered parks marked.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Parks]

Sorry, I can't say that. But in the 80s but he's also married to a lesbian too, right? So they both were. They were covering for each other. But the bigger picture here for me is the second part of what you said, which is, do you just have so much sex to suddenly. Like. I've had a decent amount of sex in my life, right? More than the average, average doctor. More than the average rapper, probably, right?

[Joe Budden]

But hold up, hold up.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Stop playing with him. Stop playing.

[Flip]

Stop playing with him.

[Joe Budden]

Stop playing with him. There's no mouth through it, girl.

[Flip]

Who can stay with the robe?

[Melissa Ford]

Get the both of you.

[Flip]

Let me.

[Melissa Ford]

Careful.

[Joe Budden]

Don't you always think the doctor nigger's not fucking whores like us?

[Parks]

To be clear, I'm being hyperbolic. I haven't had nearly as much sex as Joe and them people, right? But my point is there's no amount of sex that makes you decide you want.

[Flip]

You sure don't mind. I'm talking about when you hear these stories. And I just want to say real quick, I want to make it clear, because I did see a gay man beat up a nigga by the phone booth. I don't want to become a victim to that. Like, for. Don't jump me. Or none of that. Cause I'm not. Well, you won't.

[Joe Budden]

Cause they removed all the phone booths.

[Flip]

Yeah, well, I don't want to get. I don't want.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to get jumped.

[Flip]

I don't want to get jumped by my posters. I don't want to get jumped. What I'm saying is. What I'm saying is that there's no disrespect when I use the term something that we say it's not.

[Parks]

But we shouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Flip]

We shouldn't say we shouldn't.

[Parks]

It's homophobic.

[Flip]

Sorry, sorry. Call me. Take that. I'm sorry.

[Parks]

What I'm saying is I think people are on the spectrum sexually. And I think sometimes the more opportunity you have and the more space you have, the more you'll exercise those freedoms in a way that you might not.

[Flip]

Early, but I've heard a story where people say that, yo, I did everything that I can do.

[Joe Budden]

A bunch of people have said that.

[Flip]

Yes. Six women, seven women at a time.

[Parks]

And I think they're a little more queer than they understand.

[Flip]

Twins. Twins. Pregnant women. Like, they do it. And it's just like, what's next for me?

[Parks]

You've had wild weekends before, right? I've had wild weekends before. I'm sure everybody here has. I'm not just saying. But before. I'm talking before I was. I'm talking back in the day, Right? What I'm saying is you've never had a weekend where you're like, I just had so much pussy, I could just. I just need a dick now. That's not how it works.

[Flip]

And I'm down with that. I'm just saying the people that told the story, they said they have tried everything.

[Parks]

And I'm saying they might have been more queer than they allowed themselves to believe.

[Flip]

Okay, so you think that is.

[Parks]

It's a spectrum, I'm saying. A spectrum. Some people. I want to allow the Kinsey scale.

[Joe Budden]

Space for that opinion while also acknowledging the people in that community that get off on turning straight men out.

[Flip]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

Because they exist.

[Ice]

That's a thing.

[Joe Budden]

They do.

[Flip]

That is a thing.

[Joe Budden]

So I don't want to say to the guy that got turned out, hey, you've always had a little bit in You.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm sorry. I do not think that a straight man can be. A straight person can be turned out.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

Can't.

[Flip]

Wait, hold on.

[Parks]

Just like you can't make a gay person straight.

[Ice]

It's a spectrum. No, but people maybe just don't realize where they are.

[Flip]

Let me ask you about this, boss. What about the people together that. Thank you, man. I want to be. Damn, man.

[Joe Budden]

Hold me down.

[Flip]

I want to be careful. There was a situation I was aware of where a person looks like comes off as a woman. They weren't. And they'll wait five minutes until the man arrives to their house or when they get there to tell them I'm a man. And about 80% or 90, let's say 85%, the man will just continue on. And there's been issues like, what do you say to those people that do that?

[Parks]

Can I say a couple things about that? One, they usually don't say I'm a man. What they say is, I'm trans. Because they're not men. They're trans.

[Flip]

No, no, no. But this one was an androgynous male, so he said that he was a man.

[Parks]

Okay, okay. I just want to be clear. I want people to think that you're calling trans people.

[Flip]

Yeah, but. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about. I was talking about a particular person that I know. And. And he. He was an androgynous man.

[Parks]

And then you showed up to the house and what happened?

[Flip]

He.

[Parks]

Not me.

[Flip]

Please. No, no, no. Come on.

[Mal]

I'll never thought you stayed there.

[Flip]

No, no, I never did that. No, no, no. But I used to. I used to. I used to. No, no. Because this is a sensitive topic, so I want to be careful. I don't want to laugh.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Because I have more questions.

[Flip]

Yeah. Y was an androgynous male that dressed up as a female. And he would document when people come to this house and five minutes later, I used to be on live telling him, yo, be careful. He would document this shit and show us on the live. And we say, yo, be careful. One time he got into an incident, but a lot of times he would say, like, yo, these guys will not leave once I tell them that I'm a man when they get here.

[Parks]

And a lot of times, from what trans people tell me, they already know. And a lot of times, a lot of the fights and the battles and the. Oh, I. She told me this, and it was this, but it was that it'd be bullshit. That's their excuse.

[Flip]

You're not saying that. Hold on. There's some trans out here that you can't tell is a trans. We're not going to do that.

[Joe Budden]

And that way. That's my question to y'all with this sexual spectrum stuff. What do y'all say to the. Recently, there was a trans woman online and she was thirst trapping. What's she going to train?

[Flip]

Well, the one that. That was kissing like that, like, and it was like. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And in the comments, there were a lot of men attracted to her.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, they were.

[Melissa Ford]

But because.

[Joe Budden]

Do you say that those men have.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, hold on. Wait, is she. Is she presenting herself as a woman? A biological woman, and because this is.

[Joe Budden]

Where you confuse trans woman around looking like a woman.

[Melissa Ford]

I understand that. So if she's not saying, you know, outright, by the way, I'm a trans woman, and then, you know, men responding, then they're responding to what they believe to be a beautiful biological woman.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Parks]

A CIS woman.

[Melissa Ford]

A CIS woman. Yes. That's what they are. That's what they're thinking.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Usual.

[Parks]

What?

[Flip]

Yeah, Melissa's a CIS woman. Oh, they got you.

[Parks]

No, she is.

[Melissa Ford]

I am. You're a CIS man.

[Parks]

And you're. You're a CIS man.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, okay. You're not.

[Flip]

You can crack.

[Parks]

That would explain a lot.

[Flip]

Hey, guys, y'all can crack the jokes all y'all want because you guys conform to what society think is. No, nigga, I'm a man, period. Don't add any caveats to my gender. Because people.

[Parks]

Are you a biological man?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Parks]

So that's a caveat.

[Flip]

Listen, but that's what I grew up knowing, right? This CIS term just came around.

[Parks]

So what? So did African American. So did African American. Don't mean it's not real. It's the thing.

[Flip]

It's not. So what, Mark? Because now I have to be able. Not now. Just because other people want to be called out, I should be able to tell you I don't like that. Okay, not saying me, I don't have a stand. I'm just saying, like, not saying me personally. I'm just saying I've seen people die on that hill. Like, don't call me a CIS man or don't call me a cis. I seen it. I didn't understand why.

[Mal]

And they should be right. It's the flip side, if you have to respect the other side that want, hey, respect my pronoun or whatever, call me, and you have to respect that, then you should have to respect the person that say, don't call me I.

[Flip]

Don'T give a fuck. I'm just saying that person.

[Joe Budden]

I want to say this whole segment started because I said that I like to appeal to everybody. To everybody. And then we just kicked back saying.

[Parks]

You said it was Shamar Moore that said it all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Believe all of that. That I just said. Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Leave it out, man. Shamar Moore, everything up.

[Joe Budden]

Shamar Moore, man.

[Flip]

But then hold on, hold on back to Mel. So then when they find out that it's not a woman. Right. It's a trick.

[Parks]

It's not a CIS woman.

[Flip]

A CIS woman. Yeah. Okay.

[Ice]

A biological woman. If that makes you biological.

[Flip]

All right. Corey said leave it. I just wanted to know like if they still was interested. Does.

[Joe Budden]

I don't believe though that if you get turned out, it was always there. That's the one. I don't. I can't roll with that.

[Flip]

Corey said let go.

[Joe Budden]

I can't roll with that one. I know that our hoods teach just that, but I don't know if I roll with that one.

[Ice]

Why?

[Parks]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Because to me, that, that, that don't. That don't emphasize the turned out part enough. If it's there, dying, dying to come.

[Melissa Ford]

Out, they don't have to be dying to come out.

[Mal]

It don't have to be done.

[Joe Budden]

Or if it's just there, deep and deep and dormant.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And somebody comes and now you. Yeah, I don't.

[Mal]

Because if it's not there, even if it's.

[Joe Budden]

I believe that a straight. That straight men can get turned out.

[Mal]

I believe that you're not a straight man.

[Ice]

That inherently means that they're not a straight man.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Just in the definitions of words, you're not a straight man. If you're attracted to anything other than a woman, you are not a straight man.

[Joe Budden]

You are no longer.

[Mal]

For you, for the attraction to be there. You're not straight.

[Joe Budden]

But no, it's no switch.

[Mal]

Do you believe people are born?

[Joe Budden]

I believe that. I believe that straight people fuck people. That they ain't all the way attracted.

[Melissa Ford]

To all the time attractions. That's not the same thing. Physical attraction is not the same thing as sexual orientation. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Like, well, why not?

[Flip]

It's not.

[Joe Budden]

If as a straight man I can sleep with a woman and not be all the way attracted to her.

[Parks]

Still a woman.

[Melissa Ford]

Still a woman.

[Joe Budden]

Then why can't a guy and guy exchange start with one person not having that attraction?

[Parks]

Oh, that does happen. That does happen.

[Flip]

That's all I'm saying.

[Parks]

It happens in lots of space rehabs. The Military prison. There are lots of spaces where people who may not necessarily do that outside of those spaces do it because it's a homosocial environment. It's people of the same sort in one place. I'm with you on that. But what I'm thinking about is maybe we should get past the binary. Like maybe it's not your straight or you're not. There's a spectrum. A lot of experts say it's. You know that Kinsey scale, you go from 0 to 10.

[Joe Budden]

So?

[Parks]

So, like, maybe dude is just a 1 on that scale and not a 10. So you get to the white party, you know what I mean? And you keep going year after year. After a while you're like, maybe, but there's something. But if you were zero, you probably never have to.

[Mal]

That's what I was going to say.

[Flip]

Hold on, hold on.

[Mal]

With them Hollywood parties and shit, sometimes it could be it just that this is so accepted here. You might have been curious, furious or. I don't know what they doing in there. All right, well, this is the one spot that one you don't think is going to get out.

[Joe Budden]

This is a secret.

[Mal]

Some secret happening here. And we do it and don't nobody know about it. A lot of times when people start that whole, yo, I'm not this, it's because somebody found out, right? Now you want defense?

[Flip]

Well, let me just say it's like the girl that.

[Mal]

The white girl that. With the black dude.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And then she was with it until people found out about it. Now I gotta change my story.

[Ice]

Wait, so I have one last question. Question.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Ice]

How many women do you know that are like bisexual or have had a sexual interaction with a woman?

[Mal]

A lot.

[Ice]

And so do you not think that just by kind of statistics that it's probably a similar number for men that are just.

[Flip]

Well, hold on.

[Melissa Ford]

There's a difference.

[Ice]

Please tell me.

[Melissa Ford]

With women, experimentation is a lot more accepted.

[Ice]

That's what I was getting to.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting to.

[Ice]

It's not different.

[Melissa Ford]

No, but also. But also. But also when it comes to women, can't encourage women, can't receive one another. You know what I mean? We take men into our bodies, we can't do that with one another. You know what I mean? There's a huge difference.

[Joe Budden]

You go by that 15 strap you down. No, I'm just playing. Yeah, these gay girls throwing a strap on.

[Melissa Ford]

No, but that's an apparatus. That's an apparatus. It's not a body part. I get what you're saying what I mean. So it's just like. That's what I say.

[Ice]

Still having sex with the same gender.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I understand that, but it's. It's more widely. It's more widely accepted, and she can't.

[Mal]

Finger the other girl.

[Parks]

And we don't label the women when they do it is the point.

[Melissa Ford]

Right?

[Parks]

Like a girl.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, we can label it as experimental.

[Ice]

I'm not sure that all gay men or whatever the spectrum is are going right for butt sex off rip. I knew a gay couple that were not into butt sex at all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, good to say.

[Parks]

I'll never be mature enough to not find the word butt sex. I just have to say that.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, let me. Let me just tell you something. In New York City. Not me in New York City.

[Parks]

Your friend.

[Flip]

A guy that I know getting a law and order.

[Parks]

We'll call him.

[Flip]

It was online. No, not Skip.

[Parks]

Come on.

[Flip]

Don't do that. We don't follow because it was on the Internet. The guy that I know, straight as, straight get girls, but he was in a strip club, and he got a lap dance from a transgender. A trans. That doesn't look like a man at all. Like, had the whole operation and everything.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Flip]

Like. And those things happened. So now if he became interested, he always had. Had. You know, he always had thoughts.

[Parks]

No, that's not what I'm talking about. I mean, obviously, there are times where you just don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Parks]

But that's. I'm just saying that that's far more rare than people would have you believe.

[Melissa Ford]

When somebody's had sexual reassignment surgery. Like, the entire thing. You turned your pee into a V. You got the titties, and you got all the hormones, and you present now and look like a woman. You could probably get away. Yeah, you could probably get away with never actually have. Having to admit that if you get.

[Flip]

That affirmation surgery and I heard that, they don't have to admit it.

[Joe Budden]

We did it.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

We did it.

[Ice]

We unpacked it.

[Mal]

No, we did it.

[Flip]

All right.

[Ice]

No pun, no pun.

[Joe Budden]

Or all puns or all pun.

[Flip]

All pun.

[Mal]

Y'all want to clap it up for Jonathan Majors and Megan?

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Ice]

Let's go.

[Flip]

Somebody said. Somebody said. Somebody said they broke up with me. No, No. I don't know. I don't think it was you.

[Parks]

We say we don't know. We gonna mind our own business.

[Flip]

Yo, why you keep holding him down?

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not. It wasn't.

[Flip]

My man. Not here to defend himself.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about? Who?

[Flip]

It's between Mel and I. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Millions of people listening.

[Flip]

I said that. Somebody said that. Jonathan Majors and Megan. Good, bro.

[Joe Budden]

That was the Internet rumor.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, it was.

[Parks]

And then. And we rejected it.

[Flip]

She said no. No, he didn't say that. Ish said this. I was just bothering her about it. That's all it is.

[Parks]

But I'm glad they. You know, again, marriage rates with Shemar. It's the opposite of Shemar Moore. You know, the black white marriage gap is getting bigger. Like 60% of white women are married between the ages of 25 and 54. Something like that. Right. Only 30% of black women. So whenever I see black women who want to be married, I don't think you need to be married. But if you want to be married, get married. I think that's dope. I'm happy for them. A lot of people thought this was an industry construction, that it was a PR campaign.

[Joe Budden]

Timing right after the breakup room.

[Parks]

I did, too, until like yesterday, to be honest.

[Joe Budden]

Sam, with you.

[Parks]

Yeah. You still do.

[Mal]

I still do, too.

[Parks]

Wow. She had that ring on. It looked like a nice ring, too.

[Mal]

What that mean? I seen love and hip hop by.

[Joe Budden]

Rings a lot of times. Yeah. Withdrawn.

[Parks]

Your honor.

[Mal]

And if we put in a. We put in the breakup room as the bed. What better way?

[Parks]

That's true. They just look happy now. I hope it's true and I hope they're happy.

[Mal]

They're professional actors.

[Ice]

Congratulations.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Love wins. Love wins.

[Joe Budden]

It's none of my business. It's none of my business. Let me just say that. Facts.

[Parks]

I feel you. If they're happy, I'm happy. Whatever they're doing is working for them. And I'm happy.

[Joe Budden]

There we go. I just also don't think he fits the mold of what I know. Megan could. She don't fit the mold of what I know. Oh, yeah. And vice versa. And vice versa.

[Parks]

Life got a funny way of changing shit, though.

[Ice]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. If a white girl beat you up in a Suburban, you might not want another one.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying. He starts doing slave dances and marrying black women like this.

[Joe Budden]

If the white girl chase you down six to and you lose all your jobs, it might be one.

[Parks]

Right.

[Ice]

And it might get you out the game quick.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying. I can see it for him.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to them, man. Love wins.

[Parks]

Love wins. I like that.

[Joe Budden]

Love wins again. Yeah. No, I'm a champion of love up in the streets.

[Parks]

You are.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Parks]

I'm not even joking. Honestly, I didn't realize how much you loved love until I saw your Instagram.

[Mal]

That ain't.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Parks]

No, I'm not being funny.

[Joe Budden]

Does my Instagram say I love love? See my girl argue totally different.

[Parks]

No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Parks]

I'm talking about your post for the birthday.

[Joe Budden]

Post. The post.

[Parks]

The beautiful. The tears.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

What was the part that defeated position because I wrote along. It was a lot wok. What was the part that had you.

[Flip]

Like the whole thing?

[Parks]

Yeah, I think it was when you talked. You did a great job. Cause you're a writer, so anybody could write shit. Right? But it was clear that you saw her and the things you loved about her weren't the things that are superficial, but you loved something in her core. And you were able to communicate that. And then you were vulnerable when you talked about sometimes just crying. You were over. You were vulnerable in a way that you don't necessarily have to be and that you not normally are. I thought it was beautiful, man. I thought it was super dope.

[Melissa Ford]

Truth is, I adore you.

[Parks]

There we go.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's get it. I still look at you like I did the day we met.

[Ice]

Let's do a rap.

[Mal]

Right there. Right there.

[Melissa Ford]

I watch you.

[Joe Budden]

If anybody can say that that could.

[Melissa Ford]

Be a lie I watch you and wonder what you're wondering and if I can help at all.

[Mal]

That went good.

[Melissa Ford]

We still laugh like we're in our honeymoon stage. But the representatives are long gone. You know, and accept all of me.

[Flip]

I feel like you read this one.

[Melissa Ford]

No, we did not.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

Dying.

[Joe Budden]

To do this.

[Melissa Ford]

Even the parts I've kept private. Some stuff you've cultured.

[Joe Budden]

Just the escorts.

[Flip]

Stop it, man.

[Joe Budden]

This sound deep.

[Flip]

Stop it up. Okay, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Some stuff you've coached me through. I would love to know what she has coached you through.

[Flip]

That's not for you. That's a basic business.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, fine, fine. I will say Chicago pd, dude.

[Joe Budden]

And what's going on with y'all? That's still working. Or did you follow your path?

[Melissa Ford]

That's hate. That's hate. That is hate like a motherfucker.

[Parks]

We got time, though.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Parks]

I just say I like to.

[Joe Budden]

Because she was able to come out.

[Parks]

People have questions. I just curious to know.

[Joe Budden]

You did come out.

[Parks]

You put it on your Instagram on your story first.

[Joe Budden]

Finish, finish, finish.

[Flip]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

Not barely. Okay, that was a reveal.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just.

[Flip]

I'm real little fun. No, no, no. Read the whole thing.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. There we go. Okay. Okay. Some stuff you've coached me through. And some stuff you needed coaching to get through. That's exactly what I thought When I read this, I was like this. Escorts.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

The truth is part of my existence is yours and vice versa Bars.

[Parks]

That's it. That's it. That's when you started cooking? That's what he was cooking.

[Flip]

Meal. Get the turkey, get the yams, get the collard greens. That was she going back.

[Melissa Ford]

We are connected.

[Flip]

Ooh, love.

[Mal]

When they start talking to myself.

[Joe Budden]

She got em.

[Melissa Ford]

We are in year six now. Our kids are bigger. So are our goals. You spend every day showing up for your loved ones. But today it's about you.

[Mal]

It's about you.

[Parks]

It's your day, girl.

[Melissa Ford]

Feel proud of who you are and who you're becoming because we're all proud of you. Your father is watching from heaven. Amazed, not surprised.

[Flip]

Hold on. There's.

[Melissa Ford]

There is still. There's still some more.

[Flip]

Hold on.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm rounding. I'm rounding third. Okay. Your kids look up to you. Your friends support you. You are your mother's everything. You are truly blessed. And I'm just honored to have a front row seat to what God has in store next for you and for us. We love you. And I love you forever and again day. Happy birthday, babe. We outside tonight.

[Flip]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

I'm.

[Mal]

I'm just happy your girl birthday come out tomorrow.

[Flip]

Copy and paste.

[Parks]

Just plagiarize that whole.

[Flip]

Reword this using my tone.

[Parks]

Exactly.

[Flip]

BBC. That was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

That was amazing.

[Parks]

That was extraordinary.

[Flip]

Felt like. What could. What could you say after that? All that. All that cooking fool out the window.

[Ice]

And it came with a range.

[Joe Budden]

That's the thing. It's the combo. Yeah, the combo, the words and the ranger.

[Ice]

You might have bought yourself another couple months.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, no, he did.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I can't wait to see you. Mark and ice this summer. June, August.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. What day our partner's birthday. When your wife.

[Flip]

July.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, June, July, August.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, buddy. We lit.

[Flip]

I'm still in your whole summer. 25. I already started.

[Mal]

I'm just copying. Yo reword this. Make it sound like me.

[Joe Budden]

We do have a little bit of time. Come on, Mel.

[Mal]

Yeah, let's hear it.

[Flip]

Mel, what happened to Chicago pd?

[Mal]

Mark had questions for you.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing.

[Flip]

Yeah, still.

[Joe Budden]

He's still around?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he's. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Long distance.

[Melissa Ford]

That was good.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Yep. Here's your question.

[Flip]

Let me see your hand, Mel.

[Parks]

So let me see here.

[Flip]

That nigga's out of here. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Big Mal. Cut. I'm on.

[Mal]

Hey, y'all beat.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Big male cut.

[Flip]

What did you do? You took the stupid ass flowers. You said it wasn't that.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so he's still kicking.

[Flip]

Shout out to you.

[Parks]

Just one question, Mark. Question.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, Mark.

[Parks]

What made you want to make it public?

[Melissa Ford]

I really didn't.

[Mal]

He pressured you into that?

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, it's like the. I really didn't.

[Parks]

Didn't you tag. You tagged him.

[Melissa Ford]

It was like the tiniest. Searching for this. Okay, look, look. Now that I know you guys are, like, scoping out every liquor, looking at the tv.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, audience, this is why some of y'all say that she's bad with accountability. If you put it there. People saw the audience.

[Mal]

That was on you.

[Flip]

You good?

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Mal]

That was on you and.

[Parks]

And Jose.

[Flip]

Joe.

[Parks]

Joe, did you a solid this weekend about accountability, too. I gotta say, on. On spaces. He said that Melissa is not worse at accountability than the rest of us and that it's not fair to say that you are. He said that you. We are better at basically bullshitting our way out of it. I'm not. That's not an exact quote, but that's. That's the gist, right?

[Joe Budden]

My exact quote. Yeah, exactly. My exact quote was assuming that all of us here are bad at accountability. You are just the worst at dodging it.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Parks]

Right.

[Flip]

Yeah, we all understand.

[Joe Budden]

We dodge accountability with the best of them anyway.

[Parks]

So you just.

[Joe Budden]

When you get cornered, you're just cornered, like now. Like, you put something there and we saw it, and somehow it's our fault for seeing it.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I'm not saying that. It's. There's.

[Parks]

You didn't expect people to see it, though.

[Mal]

Seriously, did you do that for him?

[Flip]

Yes, she did.

[Parks]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Flip]

Yes, she did. She stopped. Let me tell you something. She stops. She stopped standing in a certain area in the pictures. I watched you transition. She stopped standing. She moved. So obviously somebody's letting it be known, like, yo, what's up? What's going on?

[Mal]

And you up here talk like, think you single out here.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Say something.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's too soon to go public with a.

[Mal]

You don't know how long they've been rolling. I don't know how long they've been rolling.

[Flip]

Yeah. You don't know how long she knew him for, Joe.

[Ice]

You don't.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't.

[Joe Budden]

I just said that.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, okay. Just clarifying.

[Ice]

Accountability.

[Flip]

But you really put the name. And you put it tiny, too. Hey, you stupid. Take that.

[Mal]

All right, here, fine.

[Parks]

4.5.

[Flip]

Harassing me. You've been harassing me. I put your name.

[Mal]

Watch the pot. Like, you keep hearing from the little jokes.

[Joe Budden]

The old tweets they found look like she was harassing him.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, let's take that word off the table. Harassing.

[Joe Budden]

When you ask at somebody, y'all good with them ats. When you add somebody. I don't know you guys, but at such a crush on. I have such a huge crush on them. Like, what are you talking about? Mel.

[Parks]

She's being coquettish.

[Mal]

She's shooting her shot.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Mal]

She's being what?

[Flip]

A coquet.

[Melissa Ford]

Thanks.

[Joe Budden]

Cottage.

[Mal]

She showing a shot, that's all.

[Flip]

Mel can't be in this situation for a long time, which no respect to my sister. She just can't. Y'all niggas bore her, yo. Like, for real. Like, nigga, come on, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Scorpio. She's meant.

[Flip]

She's meant to pop up. Pop up in the jack in the box. Like, surprise her. Like, hey, I'm here. I'm here in your house like a.

[Joe Budden]

Take a lot to tame this demon.

[Flip]

Yeah, take a lot.

[Joe Budden]

You need. You need.

[Flip]

You need slave masters. You need all them all to put together. You need fucking Thor. It's hard. Can't fuck with us. You get tired quick.

[Joe Budden]

Are you bringing him to The Joe Button 45th birthday bash?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I mean, that's a year from now.

[Joe Budden]

It's not a year. It's not a year.

[Flip]

All right, you bring.

[Mal]

You bring it on the POS Garage giving Pods.

[Parks]

Giving is a good day. That's not far.

[Melissa Ford]

What date is Pods giving? Do we still.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever.

[Parks]

Whatever date it is if he's available.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we got to check with him.

[Melissa Ford]

Schedule is crazy.

[Parks]

That's fair.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Mal]

So he can make time shooting.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

No, no. Really can't.

[Joe Budden]

His show's still on.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, it is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, watch.

[Melissa Ford]

I do. Yeah. No, so he's. It's. Yeah. No, he can't control his schedule if he's available, though.

[Mal]

So if he's available to come to pause giving, then sure, sure, he can hear you. Say a little louder.

[Joe Budden]

People don't want to spend time. Make time, though. You don't.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Mal]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Man.

[Flip]

I feel so bad for you, man. I feel bad for you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done.

[Flip]

Jonathan Majors is dancing right now.

[Joe Budden]

Hasty Ellis Ross.

[Parks]

Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

She's a Scorpio, too. Isn't that fucking hilarious? Maybe we are hard to tame.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, do you know. And I just learned this yesterday, I posted on my Instagram that November 18th is national married to a Scorpio Day support group day. That's funny.

[Melissa Ford]

I think you added the support group.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, no, it's National Married to a Scorpio Day, which turns out that's the only sign I could find that has a bunch of support groups for people married to them. I put in every sign. It was only Scorpios. And I think attracts.

[Melissa Ford]

I think. I think that's bullshit. I think that's bullshit. I think that there's other signs that are just. There are a lot more problematic.

[Joe Budden]

I also don't think, dude, Scorpios are like, girl Scorpios.

[Mal]

My girl saw that shit and said she's starting the one for Geminis. What's that?

[Parks]

What's up?

[Melissa Ford]

I would say that y'all are way more problematic than fucking Scorpio on the list. Top of the list. Top of the list.

[Joe Budden]

My girl throw a Virgo shab.

[Flip]

One.

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Melissa Ford]

Virgo.

[Joe Budden]

I'm shocked that we don't. I'm shocked we don't have one, but we so ill with it.

[Mal]

Y'all need two groups. Y'all need that one. And the ones that finally make it. I'm like, yo, I survived a Virgo. Y'all need that group, too.

[Melissa Ford]

Facts.

[Parks]

Geminis are great. My wife's Gemini ain't got no Camp Flog.

[Joe Budden]

No. Yes, Tyler. The creators festival that he throws. I didn't see any of it. And on my little romantic post under there is a page that looks like Tyler the Creator's page saying, get it right, Joe. It was whatever the number was. I sold 300 something. It wasn't whatever number you said, but.

[Ice]

He said that underneath.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't know that that's him, so I never said nothing.

[Mal]

I'm about to check.

[Ice]

Oh, I hope it is him, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

I know that's great if that's him. That's hilarious. That's hilarious to do under somebody's romantic.

[Mal]

Cuz his is like, felicia to go.

[Joe Budden]

Felicia to go.

[Mal]

Oh, no, that's him. That's Tyler. That's his page.

[Joe Budden]

We should have go. I ain't even mad at Tyler. Tyler is becoming like New Age me. These people, like, he don't. Did y'all see them trying to paparazzi him to death when he was trying to get in his car in la? And he said, yo, I'm a dickhead. I hate all of you. Get the fuck away from me. I'll hit you. And I have the money to win the lawsuit. I like that shit. I like that Type of honesty can't flaugnor. What do we think? Everybody performed. Wayno interviewed 3K. 3K said he has more music coming. And the flute album didn't. Didn't count against his contract. His music contracts. What else happened? Mustard.

[Mal]

Mustard.

[Ice]

Mustard.

[Joe Budden]

Mustard was the takeaway, right?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

That's all I heard.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all kick it. I have the clip.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was two.

[Flip]

Two pieces.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fire segue, though. We can. We can love. We can love into.

[Mal]

Like that.

[Joe Budden]

That's fire. It's fire. It is.

[Mal]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I got y. Y'all kick it.

[Parks]

That site killed me. I love that.

[Mal]

Yeah, I love it. Made me appreciate. Like that again.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's.

[Mal]

I was telling y'all, like, yo, I had, like, that. Just threw it on in the car the other day. I'm like, this still hit hard.

[Flip]

Yeah, I listen to it a lot, too.

[Mal]

That's a hard song, bro.

[Joe Budden]

All right, come on. All right, let's see here.

[Ice]

I don't have a major hot take from it. He played Not Like Us. It's his record. Record. It's his set. He's gonna play it.

[Mal]

And they went in. They went insane.

[Ice]

And they went insane.

[Mal]

Like, I saw that. The. The stream footage. There were people there recording. I saw them put their footage up. They went crazy over there. And it was all in la, right? Yeah, but that don't.

[Ice]

I don't understand where the shock of any of this is.

[Mal]

That doesn't. When it comes to them festivals, people travel for them.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Especially the big ones.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I don't. People say, yo was in la. What do you expect? Nah, it's.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Mal]

It's a Tyler's festival. It's people from all over that come to these shits. So it's just that record still has that impact. And there's a distaste there a little bit with dude from Camp Plogno's festival.

[Ice]

Okay.

[Mal]

Because Tyler brought them out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

They booted them because. But they boot him because they thought it was Frank coming out. Yeah, but that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. This is when now like us came on. Find the other one. Come on, man.

[Mal]

Yo, y'all can say what you want.

[Joe Budden]

No, they still going. We don't. This is nuts.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

They rapping the parts that the crowd shouldn't even know. Like this part. I ain't going front. Listen to that. If I'm Drake, I'm mad at all these, too. I'm mad at everybody. I hate everybody, man.

[Mal]

I'm mad at Tyler. I'm mad at all y'all. Run it back.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting hype again. Go ahead.

[Ice]

I got.

[Joe Budden]

I got good. God damn.

[Ice]

Whatever it is between them two, though, it's definitely up.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's up.

[Ice]

That ain't going nowhere.

[Joe Budden]

That is so hard parts. That's hard. I mean, there's no. Nothing new to reporting these old songs. The beef is over, but them records.

[Mal]

Are not going nowhere. That's the nowhere I want them to leave, but them records are going nowhere.

[Joe Budden]

Apple just called Kendrick artist of the year or some rapper of the year.

[Ice]

I think something like that. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Well deserved.

[Flip]

Yeah. I was listening to the radio, man.

[Mal]

And I. I think there's something else there too, by the way.

[Flip]

And I heard the words. I heard not like us and even was kind of surprised they let the word pedophile and all that stuff play on the radio. And they let that shit go.

[Parks]

Yo, I was at a kid's Halloween party at Turtleback Zoo and they played dead ass with my kid and they played not like us, which didn't make a lot of sense to me. And Pedophile, they didn't believe. The only thing they bleeped out was like an N word or something. They let pedophile go and a minor. I'm like, yo, girl, kids here. This is really not okay, guys.

[Flip]

It's crazy.

[Parks]

That song just transcends everything.

[Mal]

Pedophile is in the clean version.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Ice]

It's not a curse.

[Mal]

Yeah, not a curse.

[Flip]

It's just.

[Joe Budden]

I wonder how he ain't saying that word to Super Bowl. No, I can't see it. I cannot see it though. No. Huh? No.

[Parks]

Y'all think he's gonna do not like us at the Super Bowl.

[Joe Budden]

Record is too big. 1 million percent record is too big.

[Parks]

He's got to cut it off.

[Mal]

I mean, he might do the hook. He might let the beat drop. He might do something. But I mean, even if it's only 10 seconds.

[Joe Budden]

Seconds of it, you're going to hear the beat.

[Ice]

I used to be on that boat. I think he's doing that verse.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. The verse, I agree.

[Ice]

I think he's going to do that verse.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. It's too big, dog.

[Mal]

I got what, 10, 12 minutes? That's not the count. If I'm bringing any guests out.

[Parks]

The super bowl is not verse.

[Mal]

I'm not giving a whole verse of that.

[Parks]

But they're so risk averse. I mean, they don't want. Especially post Janet Jackson, The FCC is cracked down and they're like, we don't want anything that upsets middle America.

[Joe Budden]

He has a clean version of verse one.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz that would. That would be the verse. If he did a verse, I think it would be verse one.

[Ice]

And again, even if he doesn't say.

[Mal]

Pedophile, the crowd going to say it for sure.

[Ice]

The 70,000 people in that crowd don't know how to stop themselves.

[Mal]

I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But I think the crowds in the living room are saying.

[Parks]

I'm saying at the crib is like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, whoever's in my living room is.

[Ice]

Yeah, well, you think they're going to put a little sign on all the seats? Don't say pedophile. They're going to.

[Parks]

That's why I don't think they're gonna do the song. That's. That's what I'm. And that song is so big, people. 70,000 people in the stadium, 25,000 of them know that song by heart.

[Mal]

Because they gotta do it. Because he got to get to the. And that's right. They have to. That part has to.

[Ice]

A minor.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I think he comes out to the beat. I think he did something with the beat, but none of the lyrics right.

[Joe Budden]

See, I think you here to like that beat. I don't think you here like that verse. 10 seconds of like that be. I do think you're getting some of that.

[Mal]

I don't think we're gonna get no like that.

[Joe Budden]

Just the beginning. Just the beginning. Just 10 seconds. Like Usher when he came out to. What did Usher come out to? It was superstar. Not superstar. Whatever. It was my way. It was like five seconds of my way or three seconds of my way. And then he just went into something else. We'll see. We do not have to guess any anymore. Let me see here. Let me see here. Yeah.

[Ice]

Killing it at flogna. Flog.

[Joe Budden]

How you say it?

[Ice]

Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Flip]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Mal]

It's both getting backwards. That's where yeah come from. And.

[Joe Budden]

But wait, now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait, wait. If Drake has it out for anybody who was dancing to this at the show and anybody who's with that pedophile, then how's he to feel about Tyler now?

[Parks]

That's what I. I said.

[Mal]

If I'm Drake, I got a problem with him. Y'all know what this record is doing. Y'all know what this is. Y'all know what it's calling me.

[Joe Budden]

And it ain't going to have Kendrick perform. It was mustard.

[Mal]

You don't care right No, I have a problem with, you know, what Mustard is going to do. You know, Mustard has cleared here. It's up with me and Drake, right? Mustard every chance he get. Again, Mustard blames Drake for his album sales, so there's another level of the beef there with him. But again, from Mustard standpoint, nigga, I'm on your ass. And if it. If it's this record I gotta use, I'm gonna keep using this record. Anything dissing you, I'm with. So now if you go and book Mustard, knowing that's what come with him, I'm. I'm. It's up with you. Yeah, if I'm Drake, it's up with everybody.

[Joe Budden]

I understand Drake, but if I had a real relationship with Drake, don't beef with me because the DJI book or.

[Mal]

If I got a real relationship, I might make that call to Tyler. If I'm Drake, if I have a real relationship, yo, this shit is too much right now. Like, you can't have this on me. I might call in a favor. I need him to not perform.

[Joe Budden]

I also don't think Tyler is the one who needs the friendship of any of you.

[Ice]

No, no, Tyler Kerr, he don't care.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't say. If he did that to Jerry Carmichael eating Chinese food, then, yeah, I don't think he gets too far.

[Mal]

Which also goes more to, I think.

[Joe Budden]

I did that share that to Jared Carmichael eating the shrimp and broccoli. Like, no, you can't me move past the April and that.

[Mal]

And that goes to Drake's post about the. You know, ain't no friend. His. His birthday, that show that he was at, we was making the comments about ain't no. I don't got no friends in this shit. Like, yo, y'all is running around like this. He might have made some calls and tried to get some people on his side, and they like, nah, we ain't rolling.

[Joe Budden]

I've reached my Drake quota for the year. But this is what I will say 2025. I would love to hear vulnerable Drake make a return. Not Mafioso Drake. Not no Face Drake. Like, just tell us how you feel for real once.

[Parks]

I would love that. Yeah, I would love that.

[Mal]

I don't think he can no more.

[Melissa Ford]

Why?

[Mal]

I think he. The brand has grown too big. The facade is too big for me to now sit here and be vulnerable and tell y'all what's really going on.

[Joe Budden]

You can do that at 3am I'm keeping. He could try that at 3am it's.

[Mal]

Fucked up right now. Well, Mentally. So I gotta keep this looking a certain way to y'all. I can't tell y'all what's really happening.

[Joe Budden]

Well, if that's the case, then don't do all that at the DeMar DeRozan game, if it's that. But, like, we.

[Mal]

That's the.

[Joe Budden]

You have had a year unlike you've ever had in your life.

[Parks]

Worst year ever.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna call it that. I'm just gonna say a year unlike any other year you've had in your life. Your pen is great enough to get in that bag. We've seen it. Like, tell us how you really feel about the. About the 1v20 and just about where you are right now. But not in battle terms. Not in. I'm attacking and I'm. And I'm. Fuck these niggas. It's up for life. Give me that. Give me the real in 2025.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I want. That 7am and like. Like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. For real. Yes.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I want. I want to know how you feel about it.

[Joe Budden]

And I may not get it, but.

[Mal]

I don't think you.

[Parks]

That would actually probably win the fans back, too.

[Ice]

It would. You're not going to get it because I get it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm with Parks. I don't think it's happening.

[Parks]

You might be right. And it's a mistake, though.

[Mal]

So what you were saying.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the no Face video came and went.

[Mal]

Everything has come and go after that.

[Joe Budden]

So at some point. Listen, you got high hopes for what this Drake party album's supposed to be.

[Mal]

Do. I know.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I do, because I love.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You know, party and R and B Drake actually happening. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think that's gonna move the pendulum the way that it need to.

[Ice]

Do you think that's coming before a new Drake? Something is coming.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's the new Drake.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't spoke to nobody, and I don't know nothing. Y'all know I know OVO people hit me.

[Mal]

Look, you said. You said Apple called Kendrick rapper of the year, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I was looking at that. I think it might be something there. We were talking about tech beef. I do think Apple saying that Apple has also. They got some kind of deal with the Weeknd. You know, there's beef there with the Weeknd and Drake. All of the app new Apple shit is rolling out using the weekend. His new album rollout is all through Apple. The new iPhones, they shot the. They shot his last video on the iPhones. The behind the scenes was shot on the iPhone 16. They premiered all of that with the premiere of the new iPhones. He just dropped a video last week that was made solely for the vision headset. An immersive video. So, like, they got deals with him if things went left with Apple and Drake. Now we go get your. Your op.

[Parks]

Op.

[Mal]

We have the deal with him. Who's the next. One of the next biggest, you know, on level. We don't with you. Okay. Kendrick has knocked you down a peg. So now. Okay, cool. We gonna jump on him. We're gonna tag him as rapper of the year. It seems like it's something brewing there. I don't. I could be jumping ahead of myself, but I do think it's something to watch. That there.

[Joe Budden]

There's some.

[Mal]

There's some tech shit going on here.

[Parks]

I think it adds up.

[Mal]

I think these companies now are doing some other shit.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I think the companies. I'm with you on your Apple point. I also think some of these companies make way too much money off this shit. Like Flognaw was on Amazon. Yeah, yeah. The Kendrick shit was on Amazon.

[Mal]

The Wayne, I like that.

[Joe Budden]

The wave. The Wayne, I do like that wave.

[Mal]

Amazon.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Tim over there if that's you. Tim doing that.

[Mal]

And shout out to Wayne on Mouse. Cause I see them covering everything that Amazon is pulling over there. They grabbing that crew and having them cover.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Wayne O Mal. Suck dick for life now you know what time it is. You don't get no air time on this big broadcast. You anyway, yeah, my guys. Hey, cool. But yeah, who's this beef with?

[Mal]

Joe got beef with?

[Joe Budden]

It is no beef, but some niggas. That's just what it is.

[Parks]

Who is this?

[Joe Budden]

I'll tell you over here.

[Parks]

Oh, okay. I said what he said.

[Flip]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

You tried to sneak it in here. Try to sneak it by me, but.

[Mal]

I ain't sneak nothing by you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I heard it. My ears is working.

[Flip]

I heard it too.

[Parks]

But I was like, maybe my girl.

[Joe Budden]

Just did the little earwax candle.

[Flip]

Get that out of here, baby.

[Mal]

Ah, they got the water now.

[Ice]

I try to try to tell you.

[Joe Budden]

I can't find that.

[Mal]

I'll get you one.

[Joe Budden]

I got it.

[Mal]

I got it.

[Joe Budden]

I got you.

[Mal]

Don't worry.

[Ice]

Peroxide. Peroxide.

[Joe Budden]

It's a gun.

[Ice]

It's a gun. It's like a squirrel.

[Mal]

Yeah, I told you.

[Joe Budden]

It's like a year ago. I saw the headphone one that you saw. That's that. That picture came out and I never saw it again.

[Flip]

Nah, people, if there's one but order for me, it's in the uk. That one is in the uk where they put the headphones.

[Joe Budden]

I'm still old school doing the wax candle and it works, so I don't want to on it.

[Mal]

There's water. It's a little tray you put under here. You squeeze the shit. Just cleans the air right out.

[Joe Budden]

I need it. I mean, that sound like the new age version of what urgent care tell you to do, which is put the funnel to your ear, put the. Put the peroxide in there.

[Ice]

They sit you there, then they squirt the shit out with the gun. That shit is amazing.

[Joe Budden]

I want that.

[Mal]

I'm ordering it.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Yo, I don't know what the next season of 2025. I mean, America, has in store, but gear up. For the last time I'm asked this whack ass crew. Have y'all seen the Penguin finale?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Flip]

No.

[Parks]

I'm way behind episode seven.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it was. It's been spoiled for me already. It got spoiled for me and my girl yesterday.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, wait, I thought you said finish.

[Mal]

We are at seven.

[Parks]

He said he saw enough spoilers too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I saw the spoiler. Now this is the worst.

[Melissa Ford]

I understand why you were saying why. I understand why.

[Parks]

Yeah, I get it.

[Mal]

I get why you said why. I didn't see it, but.

[Melissa Ford]

And I thought that that was the reason why you were saying why. You know, I get it. But I think that it's asked and answered.

[Joe Budden]

I'm watching it for a second time now with my girl.

[Melissa Ford]

This motherfucker drowned his own fucking brothers like that. He's fucking crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I could see killing your brothers. I could see killing your brothers. Sibling rivalries exist. The brother that hates the younger brother, the older brother that exists, exist. Killing a nigga that has held you down and saved your life for the last however long episode one through seven was. It's like why?

[Melissa Ford]

But it seemed like that was his relationship with his brothers. Like his brother, his older brother was holding him down too. He's a sociopath. He doesn't have empathy. He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't have.

[Joe Budden]

I feel him on that. Humans don't be worthy.

[Flip]

Wait, wait.

[Mal]

She just said he don't have. Have empathy. And you said same, right?

[Melissa Ford]

I know where you're going with this. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Mal]

The empath. Go ahead, Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

He turns it on and off like to save himself. Save himself.

[Flip]

When you get the nigga, he does that mouth.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he's. He's just a sociopath. He'll do anything. He'll say anything. We watched the whole season series of him just saying anything to anybody just to save his own self preservation.

[Mal]

That's all. That's what he subscribes to.

[Melissa Ford]

Even keeping his. Even keeping his mom in the. In the. In the bed overlooking the city. She literally said to him, do not let me live like a vegetable. End my life. And he's keeping her there for his own purposes, like he's nuts. That was dark.

[Parks]

Y'all gonna make me watch this. How long is the series? Oh, I'll watch it.

[Joe Budden]

I do want to tell our audience that Lioness is absolutely body in the sea.

[Ice]

Super fireworks.

[Joe Budden]

I'm all the way caught up.

[Mal]

Four, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Five.

[Joe Budden]

Five now. And how they ended. Five, My G. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

How many seasons of Lionesses Season now.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to her. That's Zoe, right? Yes, sir. Zoe. I could see being the slim joint that you take down.

[Mal]

I'm just. Which one do I want to throw at him?

[Joe Budden]

Zoe is a slim joint that's like. That's different from Mariah Lynn. Shut up. Not in the same.

[Mal]

You go right to that one. No.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, spoiler alert. The last thing I'm going say about Lioness, I. A genius move bringing back the first Lioness. Wow.

[Mal]

My girl pointed out right away, too, because she saw the. The name and she was like, oh, no, she's going to be. And I'm like, nah, I don't think the story going to. That was fire.

[Joe Budden]

Genius move.

[Mal]

And the way they did it. Fire.

[Joe Budden]

Genius TV move.

[Mal]

Y'all don't with Tulsa King, do you?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Who you talking to?

[Mal]

Finale. Just air. Watched it.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Mal]

No, I won't say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Let my girl get her ass out of town. Let me get in my bag of the shows I like.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Tulsa King.

[Joe Budden]

Tulsa King is fire. Shout out Sylvester Sloan. I don't have anything else that is near and dear to my heart. Spirit. Spirit Airlines filed bankruptcy.

[Ice]

It did.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I could have looked at the gates, the term Spirit terminals, and told y'all that this was coming.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's. It's hard when your reputation is like, airlines is not. Yeah. Like you can't be mediocre at flying.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah. That was inevitable.

[Ice]

Now mediocre is generous.

[Parks]

Well, yeah, it is. If I fly Spirit, it must be a lot of bread. I must be down to my last option.

[Ice]

Or it's just like it's the only flight out of here. It. I guess flying Spirit is short. Yeah, that's it.

[Mal]

It got to be a real quick little short joint. All right, cool. I'll jump on the Spirit.

[Flip]

Last you got in the Spirit 2016.

[Ice]

Maybe I feel spirit a couple years ago, but it was one of them situations where it was the last. The only thing that came out of the airport at this time. All right. I guess we own it.

[Parks]

Is if you want to go home, you got to fly Spirit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Is this the only time I do it? It's like Value Jet back in the day. You know, you do it when you got to do it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm not taking.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Kamala lost. Y'all can stop texting me now.

[Ice]

Yo, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Parks]

They asked for money every day.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all can stop. They'll send a dollar. Cause we lost. No, no.

[Ice]

Get your gofundme ass.

[Flip]

Shit.

[Joe Budden]

God damn.

[Mal]

Yo, we want to clap it up inside the NBA.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this is fine.

[Ice]

This is fine.

[Parks]

Best sports show ever.

[Joe Budden]

They made a trade, right?

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

They got some college football and some.

[Joe Budden]

I want to say hockey and college basketball.

[Ice]

I think maybe college basketball, too. I forget.

[Flip]

Listen, Just sounds like a win.

[Mal]

Win. Yeah, it sounds like it.

[Joe Budden]

And Shaq says he's not under contract yet, so he's not celebrating.

[Ice]

They'll pay.

[Parks]

They can.

[Joe Budden]

They'll. They were good.

[Parks]

They were okay without Shaq. I mean, I want Shaq to be on. He's great. But Kenny. Kenny and Charles and Ernie and Ernie, to me, are the core because they did it beforehand. But Shaq is amazing on that. And the four of them are great. My only request. No, Shaq is great. I love Shaq. Love Shaq. But my only request is that they don't espn. Like, I don't need all the ESPN personalities stopping by. Like, they have a product that works, and I don't want them to mess it up by throwing. I love Stephen A, but I don't want Stephen A. On there. I don't want.

[Ice]

We saw it with Pat McAfee. They let them be them.

[Parks]

That's all I asked.

[Mal]

That's true. Because at first I was thinking of the same way, like, yo.

[Joe Budden]

And it's rumored Disney and it's rumored Beef ever since though.

[Ice]

That's true. That is true. But the show is still good. It's still there.

[Joe Budden]

Stephen A. Told Dan or Laos Orlowski you and interrupting me. It's bad for the ratings. Don't. Don't do that again.

[Flip]

So hold on. So what is it? It was tnt, right? Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So tnt. So they. The case that they had against the NBA, is it still ongoing? Remember, they were trying to.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's over.

[Parks]

It's almost like a settlement.

[Flip]

Yeah, they made a settlement. Got it. So Amazon completely has the NBA.

[Ice]

Not completely.

[Mal]

Not complete.

[Ice]

No. Disney still has a big of it.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Ice]

Hence them going to espn.

[Parks]

But TNT lost their chunk. The Turner lost his chunk.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm done with this part, but I absolutely loved you asking on X. What the is Capertini? Capertino.

[Ice]

I asked that question about 15 years ago.

[Joe Budden]

What is Cupertini? And I did ask that back then, too.

[Flip]

N. Keep telling me a flip. Just use Google. I just kept seeing.

[Joe Budden]

Why won't you?

[Melissa Ford]

Did anybody answer you?

[Flip]

ChatGPT. I just feel like. I feel like I want the people to know that I'm learning in real time. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Got it. Appreciate it. Come in.

[Parks]

Can I do a quick plug real quick, please? Everybody, tonight watch Celebrity crime files on TV1. I am executive producer of celebrity crime files on TV1.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, come on.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Parks]

And we got some new episodes coming up, some good ones. Meek Mill, Lil Kim, Mariah Carey, all these. We don't just tell stories of people who get locked up. We also tell stories of people who've been victims of crimes. People's homes have been robbed, people have been victim of the criminal justice system. All kinds of stuff. So we got a couple of dope episodes. I'm narrating a few of them in the upcoming weeks. So just Wednesday, Wednesday evenings on TV one. Make sure you check it out.

[Ice]

Congrats.

[Joe Budden]

No, no bag unturned. Get to it.

[Mal]

Don't.

[Joe Budden]

No bag unturned. Talking about it. All right, I'm done. Let me see.

[Mal]

Wait, Joe, before, you was telling me about the. The Snoop and Dre record.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You was like, yo, absolutely wanted to play.

[Parks]

That album is crazy. Missionaries. The album is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

When does that album come out?

[Parks]

December 12th. 15th.

[Joe Budden]

Somewhere.

[Mal]

Yes, I was gonna say 15th, but I want to get the exact date.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, let me see.

[Parks]

And they were just at a. Was it the.

[Joe Budden]

What was it.

[Parks]

What was it called? Thing called.

[Joe Budden]

It was Nori. Shit. It was at Drink Champ.

[Parks]

Yeah. No, but they was at, like, a December13 complex kind killing it. Playing the. Out the. They played. Sounded crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah, I hear December 13th.

[Parks]

13Th. Okay.

[Flip]

What is it called?

[Mal]

Missionary.

[Parks]

Missionary, like doggy style? Missionary.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Mal]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Of course, I can't find.

[Mal]

I talked to somebody that worked on the album, and he was just like, yo, I ain't Trying to gas you. I know you say Doggy Style is your favorite album of all time. He was like, yo, this is one of those. This is one of. This album is phenomenal and you're gonna love it. I'm like, all right, that's good enough for me. I'm dying to hear this. I'm trying to get early. Yo, if you w. I know you watch it, send it to me. Give me a damn album. That album done already.

[Joe Budden]

One of them beats that I heard. Of course I don't have it here because Bad Potter.

[Ice]

But the Sting. The Sting flip.

[Joe Budden]

No, but. No, but the one right before it. Okay, whoever posted it, it was two slides. The Sting flip was the second one, the one right before it. That beat sound like, why isn't every rapper in the world rapping on this beat right now? Yeah, I just can't wait to hear it.

[Parks]

Everything I heard been crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. And with that said, sleeper sleepers. Where'd you get those sleepers? Do do do do do do do do do. My man Destin Conrad is tweeting like he want to come up to the show. You more than welcome. More than welcome. Destin Conrad. Tonight. Fucking Byron Wanye wanna I always fuck his name up. He's got a show in New York City. I'm gonna try to make it. Not sure if I can, but I am going to try. And my sleeper comes from a lady named Ramon. Ramon. Featuring Dylan Sinclair. And this record is called Lying. Here we go.

[Corey]

You're all I need, you're all I see. Tell me you care about me. You used to care about me. Trick and the sea this ain't no le. Wish I was the only one. You play all your eyes I'm losing my mind I'm put out these rhymes you know I've tried, tried try to miss my pride make me think I'm the only one. Kind of a sore I know what I know what I know you lie I know what sm. How could you lie long with your night? All the time baby, baby. Cause I around right about you. That's the way I'm supposed to think about you. Maybe I should come and see about you baby I won't. Cause I'm trying to forget about you. Pain is all I can remember about it baby. Just so I can see about it baby. Ha he lies again and again. You gotta leave him. Alright, I know you call me a friend but if I was your man I never let him just tell you how it is girl you need a grown man that I Get he's taking it too far he's playing.

[Flip]

You shouldn't.

[Corey]

Get another chance the next time that you see them and I know you say how could you lie?

[Flip]

Baby, baby, baby Hit him with the.

[Corey]

Mega pr Shake him out of a sea and put them on D It don't got what you need Hit him with the PR Shake him out of the sea and put them on D you don't got what you got what.

[Flip]

You need.

[Mal]

Sa.

[Corey]

That'S what they all say how you leave me on really thought you would have this is what my heart is I had some wrongs.

[Joe Budden]

But I never in the home always.

[Corey]

Get my Never give you anything I lied about what safety.

[Joe Budden]

That is. Brand new music from Ramon featuring Dylan Sinclair. That record is called Lion. That is off her Children of the Night album. That album is incredible. Available in your phone and on dsps right this second. Shout out to her. Just waking you up out there Hour four. Just waking them up out there.

[Mal]

Make sure they pay attention.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Tip check.

[Mal]

All right. I'm going to. I believe it's from Savannah.

[Joe Budden]

Find a sleeper man.

[Melissa Ford]

This already sent.

[Corey]

Tell him who.

[Mal]

Ask him who he playing with.

[Joe Budden]

Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

He thinks he's playing with me.

[Flip]

Not.

[Melissa Ford]

Not today, not tomorrow, not next week.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Flip]

Do you get it too? Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What's up?

[Mal]

All right. This record is called could have Been Me. It's by Quando Rondo.

[Corey]

Sleep no, it could have been me Nightmares in the day so I can't sleep it could have been me it could have been me 12 on my head only God could judge me Blood on my sleeve no, it could have been me Want me dead God have mercy on me they can never stop what I'm destined to be My homie got shot nine times in the village they gonna need a hundred firefighters Turn the city up we gonna get rid everybody way too much dick riding May back in the back seat with the fattest bitch beside me May back in the backseat with that ratchet right beside me Way back in the g Been really fast street sliding don't you ever ask me about what happened Not a cage on my shoulder Devil creeping on me blood on my sleeve no, it could have been me Nightmares in the day so I can't sleep it could have been me it could have been me 12 on my head Only God could judge me Blood on my sleep no, it could have been me Want me dead God have mercy on me they can never stop what I'm destined to be. Your homie got shot five times on the video hop out on their feet no drive by I'm trying to get him gone Switches on a big four fire with a 50 on it switching we go getting both sides got a switchy on I done came along Trenches say hooray we going to pull a murder When Metropolis hate their life and worth as they be they just want to take my shine away angel on my shoulder Never creeping on me Blood on my sleeve no, it could have been me Nightmares in the day so I can't sleep it could have been me it could have been me 12 on my head Only God could judge me Blood on my sleeve no, it could have been me Want me there? God have mercy on me they can never stop what I'm destined to be on my way while I roll through the street I pray what happened in LA My partner dead in the streets I know it could have been me it could have been me I and.

[Mal]

That record is could have Been Me by Quando Rondo, off of his new album Here for a Reason, in your phone dsps, all that good stuff.

[Ice]

That was hard. That was hard. I'm going upstate. This is Ito. Long way home.

[Corey]

And my folks can't miss me. Those who come for the top usually came from the bottom. Took longer than expected. Guess it's safe to say they forgot them. Can't even sweep it under rugs they gonna make it a problem But I'll keep it under my hat. Ain't no taking it out of Nah. Yo, I went fishing and hooked the blue whale in. Those are the results of smooth sailing. How was Uncle Flyer?

[Flip]

Kite?

[Corey]

He never flew mail in and he does it out of spite so the goons bell in. Money go a long way when you take the long way home and it took all day. Don't call they phone Nah, trap phone Pictures with the shitty pixels Long way home, busy signals the dope man back Ballin if he dribbles there won't be no old fire getting rekindled, huh? You won't grow till you old. But don't let that go over your head. Own what you sold. Cause if we pull on a whole new and I don't think you want to be the soul on parole no restitution come when they free you But I stash Jewish money Eat lunch with a Hebrew I gave them roses, they shot him back A rose tree groove for me but we won't get anywhere with those people it only lasts so long but when you take the long way home you can't go wrong God take the wheel don't let Them sing that back road song then again I could have sailed men with Castro's arms something to think about I won't lose tell them to bring the drought all I'm gonna do is soak it up and bring them out spots like home I get the fiend to clean the house backyard dirty bless the window I'm peeking out huh Put the door hold dirty kicks don't ever sleep on shorty with the dirty kicks I told him about the chambers after 36 huh, curly fish Sturdiness go a long way when you take the long way home and it took all day don't call they phone.

[Ice]

Hey, it's Ito. Long way home. That's off his new album, Long Way Home. Title track. Big M4.

[Melissa Ford]

Mine is called texting by J. Kent.

[Corey]

My phone.

[Joe Budden]

I just woke up don't.

[Corey]

Even stop me your energy dream.

[Joe Budden]

Ain'T.

[Corey]

Feeling at all.

[Mal]

1, 2, 3.

[Flip]

Think.

[Corey]

We got to fall we could be.

[Joe Budden]

In too deep you sent me paragraph it's way too much to read girl.

[Corey]

All this fighting over nothing we done been through this before you're always tripping over something you still end up open my door and every time I say I'm sorry clothes end up on the floor why are we arguing and cursing? Just be mad at me in person just be mad at me in person now coming to my place don't want to talk it's like you need to come my way don't call me if you're not trying to work it out don't wanna heal out no ain't feelings.

[Parks]

At all.

[Corey]

1, 2, 3 from this.

[Joe Budden]

Call.

[Corey]

Think we got to wear could.

[Joe Budden]

Be too deep you sent me paragraphs.

[Corey]

It'S way too much to read girl all this fighting over nothing we done been through this before you're always tripping over something you still end up in my door and every time I say I'm sorry gloves end up on the floor why are we arguing and cursing? Just be mad at me in person.

[Ice]

That's J. Kent texting. I with it I with it.

[Parks]

A blue mark oh yeah, my mine is. I was gonna say I'm pandering, but it's called black girl. Yeah, you pandering, Shay Noir, let's go.

[Ice]

Shay.

[Parks]

Definitely pandering with rhapsody.

[Mal]

Okay, hold on now.

[Flip]

Precious little girl.

[Parks]

Where you belong.

[Corey]

But listen yeah got a clip in my shoes waiting to if I lose patience I r on Luke's playing the balls in my court I trip with a hoops racing put yourself in my shoes you going to trip over shoelaces draw comparisons But I erased what you drew with that pencil My haters was my close friends that knew my potential mistakes Gave me common sense but in schooling was mental Never underestimate a student with info Keep a cup in my hand like I'm itching for loose change My life is an open book every sentence is true Pain from a hood where the kids got adventures like crusades Keep paying trickers for that slipping like loose braids say God come right on time the devil making you late I know what's the cause for my sins but can I pay you in grace for my I ride for you if I say you my ace so that means I love who you love but also hate who you hate Come on either live to be rich or you die when you poor Left me at my worst tried to up my vision Cause love is blind in the eye of the storm I winter war by myself and I'm a fight till I'm sore Easter shop on the budget got shoes from pay less attention comes at a price Went to school just to pay less it ain't pay y'all left me laid off now every time I rap I turn this to a graveyard shake I bad handed I press buttons they won't call my name same to them like Prince Call my name if you feeling froggy I'm in my lane best Carter player crisscross lyrically who want fist off that Go for everybody get your head busted send your body back to your mama like Ricky I make blood baths how do you blood huh in the graveyards I share tears for my poor liquors so much now I walk different the ground tipsy leaning my drinking it's like the world's uneven even without even all I make is classic been bar for ball with every that you worshiping cold thought Wayne soul crit king Kendrick them all respect me the rest of y'all timid little scared little 60 less I'm in New York watching Martin award shows advertising I'm not watching cause I don't see the cold culture they proclaim to be supporting harmony is lacking Waiting for talent to fall back in acting exhale when having exhale that weirdo huh Robert Dairo in the taxi the end is depending on my compassion Cause right now my mind don't blasting.

[Ice]

Sh Noir Rhapsody Black Girl off her album. I believe it's called Lotus Child.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Which is a great project. I believe she produced that record herself as she did the whole album. Shout out to Shay his family. You already know what time it is.

[Flip]

What you doing?

[Joe Budden]

Tonight man not going to Chicago. He ain't that lit. All that lovey dovey shit. Instagram post. Yeah, she ain't been in Chicago months and it's about to snow up there. It's about to be cold up there.

[Ice]

Chicago spirits bankrupt.

[Joe Budden]

Chicago don't be getting.

[Parks]

He said his spirit is bankrupt. Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Redeemed yourself Parks. You redeemed yourself. The one line king is back.

[Flip]

We forgot. We forgot try to play with her flights. We forgot oh she got to the train the Amtrak economy y'all ain't Mel you be lit yo me and Flip.

[Joe Budden]

Wasn'T up here would just Mel mail which is cherish the ground she walk on Fuck that ground.

[Flip]

But she's ill. No.

[Melissa Ford]

Tonight I'm just getting some work done.

[Joe Budden]

I've got a busy week in Jersey.

[Melissa Ford]

In Jersey.

[Flip]

What about Wednesday and Thursday? Mel, are you like podcast filming shooting?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes and working out.

[Flip]

What don't do it to me.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't doing to Bernice.

[Corey]

Listen, hold up.

[Flip]

Hold up. Hold it in me.

[Joe Budden]

I am going to hold it in.

[Flip]

Right Me natural living naturally.

[Joe Budden]

I said she think that's another lie that's still going Excuse me. What I'm talking about there in the public.

[Flip]

Excuse me I was talking to tell.

[Parks]

I don't think you meant about you.

[Joe Budden]

Ah I wouldn't say nothing about you.

[Parks]

She thought she was saying the lie was that she was yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh God.

[Joe Budden]

That she wasn't there. Come on get the sit back down.

[Parks]

I wasn't he wasn't doing that but I saw I saw that miscommunication happen.

[Joe Budden]

Get f When they get plenty asses get fatter at 48. I mean see he Mine is actually they posting your old smooth smooth. It's smooth.

[Parks]

I'm just drinking my energy drink. I gotta go home and I'm joking.

[Melissa Ford]

Were you guys making comments that my booty was shrinking.

[Flip]

If her grew that means natural she's been working.

[Melissa Ford]

I just. I thought that I'd heard somebody mumbling some I'm with.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with myths which is also if it grows then put it put it.

[Flip]

In the holes she don't put it.

[Joe Budden]

Down like you hey big man talk to the Chicago real quick before we.

[Flip]

Leave before we leave.

[Joe Budden]

What you gotta say to Chicago that might be trying to run up on your while you mad far away While.

[Mal]

You mad far huh talk to Try.

[Joe Budden]

To keep your warm Grab the snowed.

[Mal]

In with your grab Grab the Laura.

[Flip]

CRO braid What you got?

[Joe Budden]

What you got to say to them?

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing.

[Flip]

Show your nail Try it if you want to show how your nails change color.

[Joe Budden]

We heard that she starts to your m. Shade.

[Mal]

Try it if you want.

[Joe Budden]

Try if you want to say yes.

[Flip]

You look at my nails, it changes colors.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this came in with the long braid. I think it like braids. Huh? You've been here two years. I ain't seen a braid since. Hey, the fans want to know why you don't wear your natural hair the same way you wore it in your video.

[Flip]

Natural hair is nice. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Beautiful.

[Flip]

Very nice. Natural, beautiful.

[Joe Budden]

Why you don't do that?

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. Because I want to your forehead. I. No, I want you. Okay. I like. I like my little five head. Okay. I'm just. I'm keeping something for myself, you know, y'all don't get every thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you can't say that. You got me. Hold me down. She's keeping something.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm earthy at home.

[Joe Budden]

But then you publish.

[Mal]

But you put it.

[Joe Budden]

You hate sin.

[Melissa Ford]

Just because, I mean, like, you. Y'all can, like, know it exists.

[Joe Budden]

But look, this look.

[Flip]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

No. Hey, hopefully y'all enjoy this show as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Holy. I love Mel. I don't know how I would part without her.

[Flip]

Can't. You can't. Honestly, you cannot.

[Mal]

Hey.

[Flip]

What'S that? Remember that gel pack back in the days? What's that?

[Joe Budden]

What? A fifi.

[Flip]

Purple J. No, the purple J gel. The clear. Forget it. Oh, no, I bailed.

[Joe Budden]

I bailed out before I hit G Pop.

[Flip]

Not jelly. Like the gel.

[Joe Budden]

Hair gel.

[Flip]

Yeah, she got the strong medicine fire. Yeah.

[Parks]

I was like, oh, it's getting real.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on the spectrum.

[Parks]

Hey, yo.

[Joe Budden]

All right, get up.

[Mal]

Get how it start.

[Flip]

I'm a get out now.

[Mal]

When that want to take your shot.

[Joe Budden]

All right, I'm a five.

[Mal]

Hey, look now when a want to.

[Flip]

Take a shot, when that press you again, that's it.

[Mal]

Stop, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

I'm traumatized. That's my man, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, shout him out.

[Flip]

Want to be a barber? Next stop.

[Joe Budden]

Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there.

[Flip]

Have a five.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Until the next time we bid you ado farewell. Adios are derci. Hasta la vista. Arvoir. Simple head novel suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments, and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Really happy that we had a podcast today without a rest in peace shout out to anybody out there going through.

[Ice]

A silent recipe from the west Coast.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Thank. There goes that one.

[Ice]

Yep. Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to anybody out there fighting silent battles we are with you. We are with you. Shout out to you Shout out to Bishop Brigante. You know the vibes.

[Flip]

Shout out to you, Bishop.

[Joe Budden]

We love you, Bishop. Free to wave. Yes, sir. Anybody have any final thoughts or anything? Yo, dog, do you know I'm at work?

[Parks]

Wow.

[Mal]

I'm gonna turn that off on your computer.

[Joe Budden]

These, man, I'm at work. Anyway, y'all. Are there. Anybody have anything that's pressing on their heart that they need to get out to an audience before they go?

[Flip]

Love you guys.

[Mal]

Yeah, love y'all. That's it.

[Flip]

Yeah. Stay true to yourself. Oh, oh.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Oh, you can always tell when a about to quit. Yo, stay true to you. Follow your. What you want to do.

[Flip]

Why you keep stepping on my. You know. Yo, you.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, your tweets is bothering me.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you stepped on.

[Flip]

Stepped on my whole heel. Like, I was thinking so negative about you before coming in today. Like, yo, this just. You go on spaces. You sit there when they talk about the mean and money. Say, oh, y'all just fell for that. When I was telling you on the phone that I have a plan. You come in here, you step on the fact that I'm playing the hill. The conversation that we had. Yo, let's blow it up. It goes out, and it just steps on my whole thing. You just step. No, let me finish. You just stepped on my whole presentation. For me, that's comfortable. For me, that made. By stepping on it. It made you comfortable. I don't like that.

[Joe Budden]

Or I don't like that. Added some creativity to the hill. Now you gotta think. Now you gotta think.

[Flip]

No, but you. That's not how you. You can't force the. I mean, I respect it, but you shouldn't force the thought. I spoke to you. Yo, this is what I'm doing. Chill. I got it. You told me. I don't like some of this, Joe. I got it. Come here. The next time. Yo, all that he playing here, he stepped on my hoes. I hate that, Mark. I hated it. I just hate it.

[Parks]

Let's talk about it in the group chat.

[Flip]

Yeah, I know. You try to get him out of here. That's.

[Parks]

No, I'm not in the group chat.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we should add Mark to the group chat.

[Flip]

Can I. Can I get added to the group chat chat, too?

[Joe Budden]

You not in our group chat.

[Parks]

I mean, the group chat ain't that interesting.

[Flip]

We all got to be at it.

[Joe Budden]

Flip.

[Mal]

Not in the group chat.

[Flip]

I just checked.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, listen, and both of y'all be blessed that you're not in the Instagram group chat.

[Ice]

Where.

[Joe Budden]

Where Mel is. That's the mail group chat.

[Flip]

I'm in that, but I just ignore it.

[Joe Budden]

Mel just in there talking to herself. She post in mad.

[Flip]

She post mad.

[Joe Budden]

Mel put in there that Trump has Bibles and wanted somebody to react. Oh, yeah. And then when I said no, Mel, she. She said, no. I think this would really be a funny topic. As if she was going to bring the topic home.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, now we'll never know. Oh, okay.

[Parks]

You add me to the IG group chat. Thank you. I know you execute.

[Melissa Ford]

We're going to find out. We're going to find out.

[Parks]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

That she added me to the group chat line. Don't work when I go home.

[Parks]

Hey, she added me and Joe and Flip.

[Flip]

I'm in there.

[Parks]

Ready.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't gonna work, buddy. Great part today. Shout out to our brother is here with us in spirit.

[Flip]

We miss you, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Feel better, man.

[Parks]

Miss you, brother. Feel better.

[Flip]

Ain't that sick. Took his day and he was old.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, and he was under the weather.

[Flip]

Play with my man.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't giving him a day till June fell a little short. Under the weather, it's like, all right, take your day. What you want me to do?

[Flip]

That's why you turn up like that.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna listen to the love you my peace.