Episode 782 | "Gym Valedictorian"

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 782 | "Gym Valedictorian"

Release Date: December 7, 2024

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Introduction

In Episode 782 of "The Joe Budden Podcast," titled "Gym Valedictorian," Joe Budden and his co-hosts—Mal, Parks, and Ish—delve into a variety of topics ranging from real estate management to the complexities of popular privilege and the evolving landscape of the music industry. The episode also features a special guest, Melissa Ford, who shares her experiences and insights, further enriching the conversation.

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Guest Introduction: Navigating the World of Landlording

The episode kicks off with a discussion about real estate and the challenges of being a landlord. Joe Budden shares his experiences managing rental properties, emphasizing the responsibilities that come with maintaining amenities like central heating.

• Joe Budden [02:07]: "I think I'm mad business. I'm a landlord first."

The conversation highlights the balance between handling tenant complaints and ensuring property upkeep, with Mal humorously critiquing outdated heating systems.

• Mal [03:02]: "You change a little knob. You got the old heaters. All you gotta do is turn it like this."

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Exploring Popular Privilege

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to unpacking the concept of "popular privilege." The hosts debate its implications, sharing personal anecdotes and examining how societal perceptions influence interactions.

• Joe Budden [21:05]: "Popular privilege can go other ways, though."

Mal expresses frustration over feeling excluded despite popularity, while Parks defends the nuanced ways popular privilege can manifest.

• Mal [21:14]: "I have popular privilege, but I ain't gonna get the same. Y'all will still leave me outside the fucking door."

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Double Standards in Comedy: The Andrew Schultz Debate

The conversation shifts to the role of comedians in society, specifically addressing Andrew Schultz's controversial jokes about the black community. The hosts critically analyze the double standards that exist when it comes to offensive humor, especially by individuals situated within versus outside the community.

• Mal [83:16]: "We have to protect our culture. That's how I feel."

Ish and Ian Dunlap discuss the thin line between humor and offense, questioning accountability in comedic expressions.

• Ian Dunlap [91:51]: "We just saw somebody deal with a very small level of backlash and it act like never happened."

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Music Industry Trends: Freddie Gibbs vs. J. Cole

The hosts engage in a spirited debate comparing the consistency and impact of artists Freddie Gibbs and J. Cole. They explore how market demands influence artistic choices and the sustainability of music careers in the streaming era.

• Mal [137:00]: "Yes."

• Parks [138:14]: "They are neck and neck. The 8ish or so songs that I love I might delete later are super Duper fire."

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The Daniel Penny and Jordan Neely Incident

A poignant segment covers the tragic incident involving Daniel Penny and Jordan Neely. The hosts dissect the circumstances surrounding the event, discussing legal ramifications and societal implications.

• Melissa Ford [147:24]: "Daniel Penny was charged with manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide."

Joe Budden emphasizes the legal distinctions between manslaughter and murder, reflecting on the broader implications of such incidents in public spaces.

• Joe Budden [147:44]: "He can't be murder because you need motive and intent for murder."

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Internal Podcast Games: "We Listen and Don't Judge"

Adding a lighter tone, the hosts introduce a viral game called "We Listen and Don't Judge." This interactive segment allows them to playfully critique each other, fostering camaraderie and teasing among the group.

• Mal [61:48]: "You got mad pee bottles and you got the big joints."

• Joe Budden [62:48]: "We listen and we don't judge."

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Advertising Spotlight: Prize Picks App

In keeping with the podcast format, Joe Budden promotes the "Prize Picks" daily fantasy sports app, encouraging listeners to participate and offering a promotional code for instant rewards.

• Joe Budden [60:01]: "Download the app right now and use promo code JBP for you to instantly get $50 on the spot."

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Conclusion

Throughout Episode 782, Joe Budden and his co-hosts navigate a blend of serious discussions and light-hearted banter, offering listeners a comprehensive look into current societal issues, personal experiences, and the ever-evolving music industry. The inclusion of guest Melissa Ford adds depth to the conversation, making it both engaging and informative for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

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Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden [21:05]: "Popular privilege can go other ways, though."

• Mal [21:14]: "I have popular privilege, but I ain't gonna get the same. Y'all will still leave me outside the fucking door."

• Mal [83:16]: "We have to protect our culture. That's how I feel."

• Mal [137:00]: "Yes."

• Joe Budden [147:44]: "He can't be murder because you need motive and intent for murder."

• Mal [61:48]: "You got mad pee bottles and you got the big joints."

• Joe Budden [60:01]: "Download the app right now and use promo code JBP for you to instantly get $50 on the spot."

These quotes encapsulate the key themes and emotional undertones of the episode, highlighting the hosts' perspectives and the dynamic interplay between them.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by.

[Mal]

This podcast, whose bullets its hosts are.

[Joe Budden]

For entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves.

[Mal]

Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home.

[Joe Budden]

We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Listen, we don't judge.

[Ish]

Got some lotion in my bag.

[Mal]

Yo, yo, yo, yo. We are here.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we live.

[Parks]

We're live.

[Mal]

Oh, yo, yo, what's up, y'all?

[Joe Budden]

What's happening? What's happening?

[Parks]

What's poppin?

[Mal]

How y'all doing?

[Joe Budden]

We good. We good.

[Ish]

How you feeling?

[Parks]

Good.

[Joe Budden]

You got a special guest in the building.

[Mal]

Yeah, I appreciate.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all family. Yeah. Can't even call you friend of the show. You family.

[Mal]

What's up, my man? I got.

[Joe Budden]

Ian Dunlap is in the building.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, you know what? Hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead already.

[Ish]

God damn.

[Mal]

I ain't hating on Ian.

[Ish]

You my dog.

[Mal]

But he just. He got this, like, fake, smooth Persona. N, like everything.

[Ish]

How's the fake?

[Joe Budden]

Why is fake? Why it's fake?

[Mal]

So here y'all go defending N that y'all don't know. Here y'all go defending. That was a trap. Look, nigga yell. Be aggressive, nigga. He yell. He do. Yeah. I gotta watch his shit, man. Welcome, Ian. What's up, man?

[Ish]

Man, I appreciate you. How you feeling?

[Mal]

I'm feeling good, man. Good to see you, man.

[Joe Budden]

Nice sweat.

[Ish]

See you, though.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie. I'm tired of your positivity, though, even towards me. Like, he be mad positive.

[Ish]

I love you.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, how you doing, man? Yo, N, don't give me no positive words.

[Ish]

Inspiration you want.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga be negative. Y'all seen that bullshit you did, man. That's your ass.

[Mal]

That's what I. That's what I.

[Joe Budden]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Mal]

He always want to inspire. Don't inspire me, N. You inspire me to go take a fucking. Go drink some water. Yo, man, you know, water is healthy for the body. I don't give a fuck about that.

[Ish]

You have fun in Puerto Rico?

[Mal]

Yes, I did. I did. See, look, I did that for you.

[Joe Budden]

Don't we want to talk about nothing that he did?

[Mal]

How y'all doing, man? How y'all doing? Good.

[Parks]

Feeling great.

[Mal]

Joe was not here today. We are here to hold it down for Joe. How was your week?

[Joe Budden]

Quiet week, Thankfully. Very quiet week. It's good. Business as usual.

[Mal]

What type of business?

[Joe Budden]

I think I'm mad business. I'm a landlord first. Coming up.

[Mal]

So, like, when you be a landlord.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, they just passed.

[Joe Budden]

You had a good week. It's the winter.

[Mal]

It's the winter. So you had to go fix niggas heats because, you know, get a little heck. Yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

Heat time be different. So, yo, the N A late on the rank. But, like, he was late last. Like, he ain't even paid last month yet. But he complained about the heat. What you do? Fix the heat? All right, I'm just. I'll make sure you was, you know, he ain't a leak.

[Mal]

Are you fixing the heat yourself or you have workers?

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't with heat like that.

[Mal]

Oh, but so you have somebody. Okay, so they have to wait.

[Joe Budden]

I pay somebody for heat. Okay, Other I'll fix it. But heat and shit like that. Except small I could fix. But the big.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, that. You change a little knob. You got the old heaters. All you gotta do is turn it like this. You still got oil boilers in your building? Bitch, I'm grave, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, what's wrong with you?

[Mal]

Put that. What's that shit they put on top the H vac? Get some H vacs for your bro.

[Joe Budden]

You know what you should do? All your apartments, give them central air in central heat.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

80% of them got it already.

[Mal]

Don't play with Ish.

[Ish]

I ain't playing with ish.

[Mal]

Don't play with ish.

[Joe Budden]

I got no problem.

[Mal]

We got two landlords here now. I don't want no problems. We got another landlord here.

[Joe Budden]

Another one.

[Mal]

And she don't talk about nothing about.

[Joe Budden]

All your places got a central air, central heat.

[Melissa Ford]

I am not on Ish's level just yet. I.

[Mal]

Space heaters.

[Joe Budden]

Plug that in the corner.

[Mal]

She said your heat don't work. I got a couple of space heaters that I brought from la.

[Ish]

That's tough.

[Mal]

Your mouth.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all are up. My tenants are happy, thank you very much. They are extraordinarily happy.

[Mal]

Good. How is it? Real quick, man. Because. How is it being a landlord, though? Is it difficult dealing with expensive? Oh, it is.

[Joe Budden]

Is it you or do you have a, like, management company? Do they know they renting from Melissa Ford?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they do.

[Mal]

She's. She's.

[Melissa Ford]

Because I. No, no. Because I've gone to meet them ish. I inherited ish.

[Joe Budden]

Help her out. No, no, no. My tenants know me. Yeah, but you not Melissa Ford, nigga. I can't help her then. I don't know what to do.

[Melissa Ford]

Trust me when I say it's okay. Like it. Like I got a bunch of in my building. It's not.

[Joe Budden]

That was the white side jump downstairs.

[Mal]

Oh my God. That was discriminatory.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not what I mean. It's not what I mean.

[Mal]

That was the Jessica side.

[Melissa Ford]

You guys know what I meant.

[Mal]

You're talking about you have some. So they. They are hard workers and they pay on time and they don't give you any trouble.

[Melissa Ford]

What I meant is it's not like I've got fans in my building. No, I.

[Mal]

So you consider your fans.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh my God.

[Mal]

I just want you to clean it up. Just clean it up real quick.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I meant? Okay, you know what I meant.

[Mal]

But they don't give you any trouble though.

[Melissa Ford]

I have families.

[Mal]

Got it?

[Melissa Ford]

I have families.

[Mal]

You and everything.

[Joe Budden]

Niggas don't make families now.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh my God.

[Joe Budden]

Niggas is broken, homes.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it means that these people do not give a shit who I am.

[Joe Budden]

You take section eight.

[Melissa Ford]

Not in my building right now. But I'm not against that at all.

[Mal]

Of course you not. You get to the bag, girl.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I'm not against that at all.

[Mal]

You're not the. The latch key kid anymore. Yo, you got money. Like let that shit go. Ish. Act like that nigga's. Let it go. You don't need section eight.

[Joe Budden]

What is what?

[Mal]

She don't need section eight. You think Mel you can handle it? Cause you from where we from. She will catch a heart attack.

[Joe Budden]

Stop saying that.

[Mal]

Yo, Mel would sit in front of her steps and cry.

[Melissa Ford]

That is discriminatory.

[Joe Budden]

That is.

[Mal]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

You are discriminated.

[Mal]

I am. I am. You are. Mel is not. Mel would not be able to handle section 8. N. Yeah, N will walk all over Mel.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Mel will have to have some niggas show up.

[Mal]

Yeah, niggas will walk right past. Even if it's not blacks, let's say white people.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean.

[Mal]

Hey, shut the fuck up, Karen. And get out my steps.

[Melissa Ford]

At that point, I would probably hire a management company.

[Joe Budden]

There we go.

[Mal]

Yes, there we go.

[Melissa Ford]

Just because it would take a little bit more than I would probably be able to give, just with all my other endeavors.

[Ish]

How would you handle it?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

Section 8?

[Mal]

He love it.

[Joe Budden]

I've had section 810 that you can eat off their floor and they trouble free. So I don't. The people being on Section 8 don't mean that they are lower class citizens. True. All right, so now how would you handle the asshole section? I've had tenants that he talking about. I've had tenants that are not section 8. That's assholes. How do you handle the assholes? Ish? That's what we wanna know. Oh, well. Telling you fuck outta here. They don't do that to me.

[Mal]

Cause you Covid.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gotta pay the rent.

[Mal]

Cause you threaten them, right? They don't do that too. Cause you threaten them. You and Corey and your other three friends come to the stairs.

[Ish]

Like the mo.

[Mal]

Fuck is wrong with y'all.

[Joe Budden]

Do none of that.

[Mal]

Yes, I do agree with Ish. Damn.

[Joe Budden]

I let the court handle all that shit.

[Mal]

I do agree with you, Ish. Not everybody on Section eight is. You know.

[Joe Budden]

Of course not.

[Mal]

I do agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about trying to get me some section.

[Mal]

I'm talking about the niggas that. That's leaving the Bronx that found a plug, a Melissa Ford plug and using Section 8 to get her building.

[Melissa Ford]

I am not the plug.

[Mal]

Some of them.

[Joe Budden]

It's all right, Aki. I don't want no smoke.

[Mal]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the section eight people out there. For sure.

[Mal]

Shout out to y'all. We love y'all.

[Joe Budden]

And if you have. And if you have a plug.

[Mal]

Yeah, I love y'all. If you have food stamps too, I'm buying them.

[Joe Budden]

Fact. But for the. For the half.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not the. Y'all doing not on the dollar.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What's the. They've been 65 on a dollar since I was a kid. You had different fiends.

[Mal]

Oh, wait. What you trying to say? That get food stamps of fiends?

[Joe Budden]

The ones that sell them.

[Mal]

We got the ones that sell them.

[Ish]

Don't fall into this.

[Mal]

The ones that sell them are not fiends.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. You got it.

[Mal]

Hard.

[Joe Budden]

We really is this. You know what I'm saying? Man, this up my. Let me show this how hard this really is.

[Mal]

I never.

[Joe Budden]

Tropical wow to your melon Mel. Plasma is oozing out of your cerebellar.

[Mal]

Now you swelling Wee talking hard cold.

[Joe Budden]

Now easier little running scared of bigger.

[Mal]

Cause I put that heat to is.

[Joe Budden]

On heal bigger to the street.

[Mal]

AKA said it was necessary. These suckers out here very scary. They cuffing hole. They living in the month of February. Hold on, hold on. Listen, listen, listen.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Mal]

I don't think y'all understand what's going on here. We are here. It's the binance by by y6 5 whatever the you want to call however many is here.

[Ian Dunlap]

We here.

[Mal]

We are here. We are here to turn up. We are here to represent for you. Shout out to parks on the board I just want to say facts turn the volume all the way to fuck look at me Turn your volume all the way the fuck up Flip something in the crib yo I know it's cold and you may catch pneumonia but roll your windows down Sunroof open, put the heat on Put the fucking sunroof open. Nigga look out the window Point to the driver next to you and put your motherfucking middle fingers up Cause we don't give a fuck Bop Put assistant nigga on display then kicking your door and have my F to bring them k's in I'm still at it attic it ain't a whole lot there for real who don't know about me Bitch I for sure don't make me pop that trunk to the left I will go get it and I ain't selfish I will let you in your old willing won't catch me sipping no no Chris and got a cold billing it's young bloods eight town hall liquor sipping coming straight from the gutter Toe tag a motherfucker leave him under a cover Little John he dropped the beat to make it bounce like rubber Sean Paul Told the heat to make it mug then sluggish we don't give a damn we don't give a If you don't give a damn we don't give a damn you don't give a damn we don't give a Push boys.

[Ish]

On some D's Tough.

[Mal]

You know? Like. He don't know about that. I never heard him again. This is old man. Do you want me? Are you gonna call me like you said you would?

[Melissa Ford]

Is this really your real phone number?

[Joe Budden]

Some damn bro.

[Ish]

They was calling you rich boy. Ain't when this came out.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't it? I a had no D's to throw on. No.

[Mal]

You talking about other D. Impossible episode is this.

[Parks]

Welcome to 782 of the Joe Button podcast. Powered by Presented by Brought to you by Prize Picks. The gang is all here.

[Mal]

Whoa.

[Parks]

Was that business as usual?

[Mal]

Facts. Stop stepping on shit.

[Joe Budden]

Facts.

[Ish]

Shout out to the commercial.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Let it go.

[Mal]

Okay. You sure?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm sure.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Ish]

Shout out to prospects.

[Joe Budden]

Shout to prospects.

[Parks]

Shout to prospects.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you for keeping the lights on. Yep.

[Ish]

National commercial.

[Mal]

Look at all these coons. Gas. Say your soul. Say your ass. Gas.

[Melissa Ford]

Maybe not soul.

[Mal]

Yeah. Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Get some ass.

[Mal]

Okay. Oh. Just a little bit. Ass.

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[Mal]

Just a little bit.

[Melissa Ford]

This is a cheek.

[Parks]

Just a cheat.

[Mal]

Welcome.

[Parks]

Welcome.

[Mal]

Welcome. We are here we are happy to be here we are happy to be with all of you.

[Melissa Ford]

You seem surprised that I know any of those songs.

[Parks]

That was her era. She might have been in some of these videos.

[Joe Budden]

Facts.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that's past my era of doing music videos. But I was outside though.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I was working at Sirius. So like I. Yeah, I was like.

[Mal]

Serious?

[Joe Budden]

What you did at Serious?

[Parks]

Seriously.

[Melissa Ford]

Sirius Radio. Sirius xm.

[Mal]

I was like, damn, you fell down, bad girl. No, sir. You get money. And the one in Brooklyn, the big shit.

[Melissa Ford]

Sirius xm.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I used to. I used to be like a radio personality on channel 50 hot jams.

[Parks]

I didn't know that.

[Joe Budden]

I never knew that.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Who was your co host?

[Melissa Ford]

It was me, by myself.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait, wait. What time slot though did you DJ?

[Mal]

2 to 3am?

[Melissa Ford]

No, 2 to 3am? No, it was during the day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What day?

[Melissa Ford]

Like every day.

[Mal]

What's the time slot?

[Melissa Ford]

It's very important, the time slot. I think it was like one to four or some shit like that.

[Mal]

Oh, okay, okay. Melissa Ford.

[Joe Budden]

My bad.

[Mal]

I thought you was like 3am hello, this is Melissa Ford on 59 Jam.

[Parks]

Bringing you the second Sexy Heat.

[Mal]

Bring you the sexy heat. She turned. You know how they turned the volume up? Okay, right now we have fucking Little John in the east side, boys.

[Melissa Ford]

That's hilarious.

[Mal]

Reading the paper, but did you enjoy.

[Joe Budden]

Some Ds on that bitch?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Did you enjoy doing that?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it was cool. That was actually where I met Angela Yee. So that was like 2007. So we've been friends ever since then.

[Ish]

Shout out to you.

[Melissa Ford]

And that was. I met a whole bunch of people. Yeah, like everybody worked up there. DJ Envy worked up there. Cypher sounds worked up there. And being serious. Everybody used to come for interviews like so when they would go on one show, they would probably do 20 shows. They'd hang out and just go from studio to studio. Studio. And so I ended up interviewing like a lot of really dope people. Like there is the Fishbowl in Sirius. It's like the studio that has all glass around it and you can see it from the upper level. So people come and watch really big performances or interviews. And I interviewed Mary J. Blige in the Fishbowl one time and like all the serious execs and everybody, it was, it was a good experience. I was there for about two years.

[Mal]

Then you got fired.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I moved. I moved to la.

[Mal]

Oh yeah. Shout out to you, Melissa Ford. You know, I mean, you have. You surprise us every day.

[Joe Budden]

You need a book.

[Mal]

Every day you surprise us.

[Melissa Ford]

Need a book.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you should Write a book. You should really write. I'm not even joking.

[Ish]

Time.

[Mal]

If super head got a book, you sure can get a book.

[Ish]

Stop.

[Mal]

I would read Melissa Ford's book.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. That's what I. I mean, like, without this relationship.

[Parks]

And you could do the audio.

[Ian Dunlap]

Audio.

[Joe Budden]

The audio version.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

I would definitely guess you do the audio version. Melissa Ford would do it herself.

[Melissa Ford]

I would do the audio version myself.

[Mal]

We don't. We don't.

[Melissa Ford]

We had a little tidbit of like. I did a little something like that earlier this week. I invited y'all, but it's okay that you guys didn't come.

[Parks]

Wait, what?

[Joe Budden]

You. Wait. I didn't get invited. I checked my phone right here.

[Melissa Ford]

I put it in the group chat.

[Joe Budden]

We don't read the group chat.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, you do. Yes, y'all do.

[Parks]

You didn't make it to clearance.

[Melissa Ford]

We were all in the group chat last night determining that Joseph was not going to be here today. So.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. Okay. We don't read the group chat. When you put things in there.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, well, that's.

[Mal]

I'm playing. I'm playing, I'm playing. What did she do last night? I don't. I'm not in that group chat. I removed myself from all type of group chats. So explain. So y'all knew since last night Joe wasn't gonna be here?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

Okay. That's.

[Parks]

Why aren't you in the group chat?

[Mal]

I don't know, because I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

I'm disrupted.

[Mal]

I'm a rebel.

[Parks]

But you should be in the group chat.

[Mal]

Mel.

[Joe Budden]

Mel and the group chat.

[Parks]

You have a green, green bubble.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You invited?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we don't us.

[Mal]

Where you fucking all up?

[Melissa Ford]

I was at Ludlow House the other day and like, come on.

[Mal]

You saying names.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

Sorry. Ludlow House is like part of the Soho House conglomerate.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

And it's on the Lower east side. And is it the lower.

[Mal]

Is it the lower tier of.

[Melissa Ford]

So no, it's definitely not lower tier of soho. Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay, okay.

[Ish]

It's all premium.

[Mal]

All right. Look ahead. Well, we defended them, like, yeah, Green Lantern. And what's the cyborg like?

[Melissa Ford]

The entrance is so non descript that you would walk by it. It's so secret entrance. It's fly. It's really.

[Mal]

What did you do there?

[Melissa Ford]

So they have an event every single month called the Art of Storytelling where they invite somebody to.

[Parks]

I don't see us in the group chat at all.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't gonna say nothing. My new thing is just to let me a Lot.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Lolita.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm gonna find it. It's there.

[Joe Budden]

The other group.

[Parks]

The other group.

[Melissa Ford]

Chad would check the dm.

[Mal]

Okay. All right. Definitely don't check that, by the way. So, story time. So you just reading the stories to a bunch of adults?

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Mal]

Hello, y'all. I'm Melissa Ford. One Fish, Two Fish is only there. Cause you look good. So would not be in Soho House. We'd be outside.

[Melissa Ford]

No, Soho Houses fly. There's a lot of people. Soho House, Ludlow House, Dumbo House. Dumbo House, Fly.

[Mal]

It's like a secret society, right?

[Joe Budden]

Membership only. I don't want to say club, but yeah, social club. It's a social spot.

[Parks]

So what'd you read?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, no, I didn't read. It was the artist storytelling. So I was being interviewed in front of a room full of people. Oh, shit.

[Mal]

Oh, look.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry. See? See, look. Karma. Karma to bust you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You like that?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, what's up?

[Melissa Ford]

What's up, right?

[Mal]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not being charged.

[Mal]

See, that's the problem with y'all not being rude. I'm just saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Gonna put them right there. Okay. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

No, 30 piece. I saw it all.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. There you go. Anyways, it was good. It was fun. I swore that I invited all of you, but, you know, next time, okay?

[Mal]

Next is nice.

[Melissa Ford]

We'll be there next time. For the book launch?

[Mal]

Yes, for the book launch.

[Melissa Ford]

Where I will read Chapters.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Okay.

[Mal]

Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

Hickory dickory, Doc.

[Mal]

How was your week, my brother?

[Ish]

Good week, man. Happy to be here. I love y'all. Appreciate y'all, but. Yeah, it's been a good week.

[Mal]

You don't have to wait. Stop. Stop and explain your week. Stop giving compliments. How was your week? Don't compliment us, okay? We know you happy. We're happy you're here. Holy. How was your week?

[Ish]

I'm gonna fire you. We just talked last night and you gonna play crazy.

[Mal]

I am. Cause you're too cool.

[Ish]

It's just me. Good week, though. Been doing interviews, doing my run arounds.

[Joe Budden]

How many million you made this week?

[Ish]

Stop. That's hate.

[Joe Budden]

We got them to say you made a million or two. This week is a million or two. What if he made 10? You right through.

[Ish]

River Carter, you're kidnapped.

[Joe Budden]

I said how many you made, is what I said.

[Ish]

Not a one.

[Joe Budden]

Don't make too many. They. They often. That's up here. That's up.

[Ish]

I see.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, we'll see that, but we'll get into that in a little bit, man. Parks, you were Good.

[Parks]

I'm chilling.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Parks]

Busy week. You know, regular studio. Studio. Studio.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Parks]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Working on J. New.

[Parks]

I'm not. But if.

[Mal]

You'Re real quick, I know that you know there's important news out there.

[Ish]

We outside this weekend. Tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

I am not outside. But before we get to the important news, how far does popular privilege go?

[Joe Budden]

Far. Far.

[Ish]

How very far.

[Mal]

And what's popular privilege?

[Parks]

Sort of like pretty privileged. Is that what you're.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Similar.

[Mal]

So now we mixing pretty with popular.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, there's gonna be popular.

[Mal]

I have popular privilege, but I ain't gonna get the same.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't pretty.

[Mal]

Exactly. I don't get the same shit, niggas will still leave me outside the fucking door.

[Parks]

Nigga, I think you're pretty flip.

[Joe Budden]

Popular privilege can go other ways, though.

[Mal]

Huh?

[Joe Budden]

I've been the recipient of some or the beneficiary of some popular privilege. Excuse me.

[Mal]

Yeah. Really? Tell me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I was telling the guys earlier, shit, when I got my new spot that I live in, I ain't put no application in that. As soon as he found out, he was like, oh, wait, this is your show. Oh, yeah. And you can. You got it.

[Mal]

Same thing with me when I got the career.

[Ish]

Really.

[Joe Budden]

And I didn't even. The crazy shit was I didn't even. I don't. I never leave with the show.

[Mal]

I didn't have to show no bank statements, nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't show up.

[Mal]

I thought I had to make up some. Okay, I made up some shit.

[Joe Budden]

I was ready.

[Mal]

Yeah, I have my shit. Yeah, I have my shit ready. I had to make up some bake st.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, yo, you don't need. I was kind of tight. You don't need. He was like, wait. He said, what do you do? I said, I'm in broadcasting. I always say that because people don't understand what podcasting is.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he's like, okay, where can I find your show? And I said, well, you know, I listed everywhere the show was at. And he sent me a screenshot back. Was like, is this it? I never said the name or nothing. I didn't even. I was like, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, you got it.

[Melissa Ford]

Days ago.

[Mal]

Cool. Good looking.

[Joe Budden]

Good looking, dog.

[Mal]

Do you have popular privilege?

[Ish]

You've been popular your whole life. Ain't it?

[Mal]

Like, when you go to pay for a coffee? He got an unlimited credit at Wawa.

[Joe Budden]

Big Facts face card.

[Mal]

You do?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, for free coffee. Yeah, but not for nothing else.

[Mal]

So you don't. So you haven't paid him a man long.

[Joe Budden]

Should I hit him with little Batman?

[Mal]

They know who you are. They know the show you want.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, they just. They see me all the time. Home Depot. I don't get for free. We didn't say free. We said, do you get to skip the line?

[Ish]

We just said you never got into anywhere free because you.

[Joe Budden]

You the spot we go to. You park on the sidewalk next to the door.

[Ish]

You hove Atlanta invest fest like you was home. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's kind of crazy, dog. I'm just saying you be awesome. No, I didn't. I said popular privilege. I said. Yeah, like, everybody knows what popular privilege is. It's been around forever.

[Ish]

What you park in, though, when you.

[Joe Budden]

Cut the line at the club, that's popular privilege. That's a fact. When you walk around security, that's popular privilege. All of that. And that was niggas bad. They don't pat you down. That's popular privilege. Facts back when they were charging niggas for the hats and you ain't had to worry about none of that popular privilege.

[Mal]

Mel, when did you realize you had pretty popular privilege? I have to know.

[Joe Budden]

When I was at the cleaners.

[Mal]

No, because male shit maybe leave 20.

[Joe Budden]

Male shit may be on a different.

[Mal]

Level that we can't fathom.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Mal]

Made me like, I walked in the airport and I ended up on a private jet. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, male stories is lit like, she's just cool. Niggas fuck with Melissa Ford. I took a private jet to motherfucker Timbuktu and I just chill like, what's. What's gonna be, you know, Give us some pretty privilege or popular privilege that you experience.

[Parks]

She's so engulfed in it that she.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T even know how to figure it out.

[Melissa Ford]

I was really trying to find a diplomatic way of saying that. And I don't know, shade, no ego, no nothing. It's just like, I couldn't tell you.

[Joe Budden]

What life is without it.

[Mal]

You're laughing ugly. Hey, you ugly. You be hating on my show. Hot and bother laughing. Look, look, look. You don't got pretty privilege, right? They gotta wait in the back of the line. They. They gotta stand there and text on their phone, are you coming outside?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yo, I'm outside.

[Mal]

That is embarrassing, son. Yo, I happen to be one popular privilege.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mal]

What, to text somebody?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, you supposed to text. No, before you get to.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not disagreeing, but what I'm saying is that's still popular privilege. You could text a nigga, and the line is down to motherfucking 33rd street, and they just come out and be like, yo, him or him get. That's popular privilege.

[Mal]

How long does it take? Yeah, yeah. Depending on how you are, they may take long. A nigga may just come out to go find some bitches and see you by mistake. Oh, oh, you text me. Oh, when? That's what I'm talking. Nah, nah, you got it.

[Joe Budden]

I had that shit habit. Or the flip side where, yo, yo, we got you straight. You pull up, now you sitting there looking stupid, and you can't reach the nigga inside.

[Parks]

Oh, that's the worst.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's like your dog. I'm at the door.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing. All right, you know what? Go home. We'll go. Hell no. Bueno.

[Mal]

Where do y'all want to go?

[Parks]

Let's start with the antithesis of popular privilege. That didn't work out so good for homeboy.

[Mal]

Now, how are we approaching this topic real quick? Because there's two ways.

[Joe Budden]

Flippish.

[Mal]

It's the flippest way, which I find to be very Nintendo 64ish. Golden Gun. What's that shit called?

[Joe Budden]

The Golden Gun. No, that was Metal Gear Solid.

[Mal]

Metal Gear Solid is siphon filter. We can do it the mature way.

[Joe Budden]

Ian Dunlap.

[Ish]

No, let's do it your way.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let's let Mel. Let us know what happened.

[Mal]

Thank you, Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Right. All right. So the CEO of United Health, Ryan Thompson, was gunned down in Manhattan on. Was it Tuesday?

[Parks]

Tuesday or Wednesday, Whichever morning.

[Melissa Ford]

In broad daylight in the middle of the street. So I believe it was, like, at the Hilton. And for people who don't know New York or whatever, It's Midtown. It's 53rd and 6th Avenue. You couldn't be any more ground zero than, I don't know, like, ground zero.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it wasn't necessarily broad daylight, but. But it was outside.

[Melissa Ford]

It was like. It was a.

[Joe Budden]

It was early in the morning, 6:45. Yeah, it was dark out.

[Melissa Ford]

I couldn't tell from, like, the video, but the crazy thing is that I saw the full video.

[Joe Budden]

I did, too.

[Parks]

Yeah, I don't usually like to watch that, but that was going around. It's unavoidable.

[Joe Budden]

You don't watch that?

[Parks]

I don't watch people get killed on camera. No, it's not my bag.

[Melissa Ford]

Did you see the side? Okay, hold on. Let me put back on my newscaster voice. And then I'll flip the fuck out. Okay, so Brian Thompson. It says, CEO Brian Thompson, killer may have left New York on the day of the shooting. I mean, like, duh. And why wasn't his face covered all the way? And they got video of him, like, smiling.

[Parks]

He was flirting. He started to get some ass after.

[Joe Budden]

The D. Got adrenaline rush. That might have.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, well, at this point, he remains at large the killer of Brian Thompson, which is the CEO of United Healthcare.

[Joe Budden]

It's more than that, though. Like, we watched that video. My man had a silencer on it. That man had a silencer on his gun. He didn't approach, dude. He shot him from a distance.

[Melissa Ford]

And then walked up on him.

[Ish]

He walked.

[Melissa Ford]

He shot him. And then walked up closer and then shot him closer.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, it was a hit.

[Parks]

It was definitely a hit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I ran. I had a bike. A bicycle. I rode the bike to Central park and I lost in Central park, where I'm sure there were no cameras at. Nigga, that's a professional hit.

[Ish]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

And he ain't.

[Parks]

Let's start by saying to the gentleman, rest in peace.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's more than he's been getting on Twitter.

[Parks]

Yeah, no doubt. I'm sure he'll get some more here, but let's start with some.

[Mal]

Okay, so what do we think? The reason?

[Joe Budden]

Above our pay grade. Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay, so we're gonna leave that part alone.

[Joe Budden]

I don't wanna put the tinfoil hat on.

[Mal]

What do you think? Why do you think that he was targeted? They said that he was supposed to testify. Or did he testify?

[Melissa Ford]

There's been a lot of funky shit happening. Happening with United Healthcare and like, just healthcare and insurance companies recently, like, just recently, Anthem Blue Cross put out some kind of statement that they were going to. They weren't going to pay for the anesthesia.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was a limit on the.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, for the anesthesia. For the full length of surgeries and people.

[Parks]

That's insane.

[Joe Budden]

And they walked.

[Melissa Ford]

They walked that shit back.

[Parks]

I'm sorry your shit ran out.

[Joe Budden]

You got an hour. Your dog, nigga, just be waking up, middle of some heart surgery.

[Parks]

Yeah, we'll give you some. We'll give you a shot of whiskey.

[Mal]

Or something like, yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. So I don't necessarily know if that was, like, a professional hit. That just could have been somebody who had, like, law enforcement background or military background. That's what that could be.

[Ish]

He was out there by himself on investor day. No one else was around him. Wife wasn't there. No colleagues. Clean getaway.

[Parks]

He had that shit on too. I saw people posting the meme of his.

[Joe Budden]

He had that shit on.

[Parks]

He had that shit on.

[Melissa Ford]

Like what, like bulletproof vest?

[Mal]

No, no.

[Parks]

Expensive.

[Joe Budden]

Designer.

[Parks]

Yeah, designer, designer, designer, backpack designer, everything. Like.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, I didn't see all that blend.

[Joe Budden]

In right there in that area.

[Parks]

Yeah. That's a fact. You know that's a fact.

[Mal]

Right?

[Parks]

In midtown Manhattan, you want to have that shit on, I'm gonna jump on.

[Joe Budden]

The city bike and haul ass up to Central Park. My.

[Ish]

And this is downside of AI, too. There's a lot of benefits, but when you turn down 90% of people who have claims.

[Joe Budden]

That was the thing they showed. UnitedHealthcare had the highest denial rate of all the insurance companies. I don't know if there's a connection.

[Parks]

There, but this seems like a professional job that's beyond someone that's just mad about getting denied.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. And so supposedly they found something with the bullet that had some inscriptions on it.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't know how true that is.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. You know what I mean? If that is just sources, but let's find it.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, what I'm reading is police have collected video about this, you know, of the suspect all over the city, including subway cabs, in a McDonald's in each place. He paid cash and he made sure to keep his mask on, which indicates that detectives to detectives, that he knew he was coming to New York to commit the murder. They were also able to find surveillance, a surveillance image of the suspect without his face mask on because he was flirting with a woman who checked him into a hostel.

[Joe Budden]

He's a woman?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He kind of looks like Jake Gyllenhaal.

[Ish]

And not to cast any aspersions. I know it's the rumor going around that he's light skinned. He's not. Don't. Don't put that on.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he. No, he doesn't look like skin.

[Ish]

No, but earlier today.

[Joe Budden]

No, they were. That was their report. Initially, they said he was light skinned.

[Mal]

Okay, so on the bullet on the case, and it says, deny, defend, depose.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Mal]

Deny, defend, depose.

[Joe Budden]

He wrote that on the bullets.

[Mal]

It was on the bullets, yes. Holy.

[Joe Budden]

On the casings.

[Mal]

Do we believe that?

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't know if I believe that.

[Ish]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Mal]

Why not?

[Joe Budden]

Has now you tried to write on a bullet before you're trying to tie it to United Healthcare Denial Insurance as opposed to other.

[Melissa Ford]

No, they say that written on the shell casings were the words deny, defend, and depose. According to police.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Melissa Ford]

So what, that I'M reading this on ABC News.

[Joe Budden]

What that does.

[Melissa Ford]

That don't mean it's not cock sources.

[Joe Budden]

No, what it does is deflect from the real reason. Yeah, they're gift. They're giving a reason why this happened.

[Melissa Ford]

There's more.

[Mal]

And what would be the.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, there's more. Tell us the words on the bullets echo the title of the 2010 book Delay, Deny, defend why insurance companies don't pay claims and what you can do about it. Police are aware of the similarity and are investigating whether one possible motive is anger at the insurance industry. Duh.

[Mal]

Like what they just try to throw off. Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's exactly what nigga did something to the wrong people. They're gonna steer people to go this way. Yeah, they sent dude a message quite a few times and he didn't listen.

[Mal]

Well, they were saying that he was involved in some inside insider trading. I read and stuff like that. And I don't. I don't listen.

[Ish]

This is for a publicly traded seat. Yeah. Above our pay grade. This is all above our pay grade.

[Joe Budden]

Trust me.

[Ish]

And I want to live.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, me too. I'm chilling.

[Ish]

No pun.

[Mal]

They're not gonna kill us. They're not worried about us.

[Joe Budden]

He might have said the same shit. Yo, I'm so gonna kill me.

[Mal]

But he was the CEO, nigga. They had to offer him. But no recipes. But what I'm saying is that they're not after us. We can say whatever we want up here.

[Ish]

When's the last time a publicly traded CEO got killed in broad daylight?

[Melissa Ford]

I can't think of that.

[Parks]

I remember the. What was the dude that got into. He got stabbed in the bay somewhere or something like that a couple years ago. I forgot what the company was, but.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Was that healthcare Score. I think it was a tech thing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

It's like a scorned lover is what they said. Potentially.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Rest in peace. Rest in peace. You know, condolences to the family.

[Parks]

They said all the other health care companies are taking down all their photos and information about the CEOs.

[Ish]

Or you can do.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So up is that people were posting pictures of the CEOs of other health insurance companies.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, it's too late. That information's messing.

[Mal]

They were posting it like, yo, just in case you wanna know what this person look like here. They did. They helped me too.

[Joe Budden]

I saw people saying, and just in case, if you got some free time, here's my baby father. I saw all kind of shit. Niggas gonna nigg it up.

[Mal]

I mean, we can't really talk about what I wanna say, but can we? Mm. Mm.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Mal]

Is there anybody that you.

[Parks]

No.

[Mal]

No. Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Is there anybody that you. What, you'd put a hit on?

[Joe Budden]

Hell, no. No, no.

[Ish]

M4. No, Melissa.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all.

[Mal]

Melissa.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, fine.

[Joe Budden]

No, would you.

[Ish]

Oh, would you.

[Melissa Ford]

You were gonna ask the question. Oh, shit first.

[Mal]

You can't put a hit out on them.

[Melissa Ford]

I wouldn't. I would do it myself.

[Mal]

They might put the hit out on you.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, look, just in case anything ever happens to them, it wasn't me. Okay?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Holy.

[Mal]

They still stomping?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, they are. They're making me crazy.

[Parks]

I don't think that you would be the slickest getaway person.

[Mal]

They get mail in that interrogation room while she's running. She'll slip all in the hallway.

[Joe Budden]

She gonna get away. She gonna forget her lie. And up. That's. That's where it's gonna back up at.

[Melissa Ford]

As much as much. Murder, death, kill, shit as I watch. I will be a terrible murder suspect. I would be the worst at trying to commit something.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna tell.

[Melissa Ford]

I would. I would just be like, I'm sorry. The jig is up. I. I did it. I did it. Please have mercy on me.

[Joe Budden]

And then when they say 30 years.

[Melissa Ford]

I'd be like, all right, well, you know, let me hear.

[Joe Budden]

It was ISIS plan.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Let me develop a useful trade.

[Ish]

Yes, ma'am.

[Melissa Ford]

You know, while I'm in there.

[Joe Budden]

Now we. Speaking of that, did y'all hear? Thug's lawyer says he wished they didn't take the plea. No, because Yak Gotti, the one who took it all the way through trial, was found not guilty on all charges. So now you walk right out the door. I thought that at first, too, but.

[Melissa Ford]

If I was Thug, I would be like, I just want this shit to be fucking over.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And it's a risk that you can't really play like you playing Russian roulette, my nigga. They open the door and say, yo, you got time served. Which means you don't have to stay in that bitch another day, but you gotta do probation or you're looking at life.

[Ish]

It's not worth the risk, you know.

[Mal]

If you're not just.

[Joe Budden]

Even when he took the plea, the lawyer was saying he was confident we would win this. Yeah, I'm extremely confident. Don't take the plea. Guess what the lawyer does, though, is we lose. Well, hold on, hold on. Oh, he go home. He go home.

[Ish]

He goes home.

[Joe Budden]

He go home for sure. And at the same time, the amount of Time, I think we get this Yak Gotti resolution because Thug took the plea. That's true. So now there's no telling that the case would wrap up this fast if Thug does not decide to take. That was the head. This is who he wanted. That's true. And if he pled out and, you know, all right, y'all ain't have enough information to tie me in, how the fuck y'all gonna tie me in?

[Mal]

A lot of times probation is made for you to fuck up. Of course, 15 years, you have to be disciplined in order to complete probation. And you know, I was on probation before, you know, and how long? Five years.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Mal]

And I almost fucked up a lot. I almost fucked up a lot of time. But the last week of my probation, I didn't want to give a piss test. Cause I don't smoke or drink. And I'm just like, nah, I'm not peeing. I don't want to. And I was causing hell in there. And my mom was like, what the hell is wrong with you?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't understand you, dog.

[Mal]

I know, but especially if, you know.

[Melissa Ford]

You didn't, you're a week away from the end. And, you know, you don't smoke or drink, so it's gonna come back clean. But you're just starting shit.

[Ish]

You're just being rebellious for no reason.

[Mal]

Just because you don't like being told what to do. Well, it's on brand. That's number one. Number two on brand.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask you a question, number two real quick.

[Mal]

Some people go the extra mile to piss you off.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask you a question real fast.

[Mal]

You have to be disciplined.

[Joe Budden]

Had you failed at the probation, how much time were you looking at? Five years. But you say he was on five year probation.

[Mal]

Yeah, I was looking at.

[Joe Budden]

So when you fail, you do five years?

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no. I was looking at.

[Joe Budden]

Cause that's like, if Thug fails, he don't do 15.

[Mal]

I was looking at three and a.

[Joe Budden]

Half, 20 something years. Oh, yeah, they made that step. That. That's what he said.

[Mal]

Three and a half.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, three and a half. Yeah, it was a gun charge. So three.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, three and a half.

[Mal]

Yeah, three and a half. But at the same time. Is that when I was on probation? It's just difficult. It's just they have you wait all day. Like, it's not made. They be disrespectful. Extremely disrespectful. You know what I mean? I mean, the one in Queens was good, right? Like, the lady was Good. She understood. And, you know, she one of those people that. I know. You a young man. I don't want to keep you here. I don't want to do that to you. So just come check in every couple of months. But when I got to Brooklyn, they.

[Joe Budden]

Was p testing me. And then after a while, I'm like, dog, I don't smoke, bro. You always come back clean. Like, I don't smoke. Like, I don't smoke. So you doing this for nothing. After a while, that nigga just be like, yo, you got money? All right, bye. Go pay at the window by. You have to pay every time you went to probation. No. If you don't have the money here, they start threatening you. Like, yo, I'm telling you, you be like, all right, I got something.

[Mal]

It's nasty, son. The probation system is fucked up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they don't care about money, the probation system.

[Mal]

But at the same time, it's like with Thug, I agree with it. You can't take a chance. Cause you can't take a chance. It's like Russian roulette, you know what I mean? What if he blew trial? What if they were intentionally trying to railroad him?

[Joe Budden]

And you gotta think about this. The state kinda looked stupid in that Thug trial. They tried them for two years, came up empty. We gonna conduct. Like, I think they still have a vendetta against us.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Like, if I had mom be walk, I'd fuck around and move to Arkansas somewhere and be minding my business. But you can't risk not ever seeing your children again. You can't risk ever seeing your family members again because your lawyer thinks that y'all got a great chance.

[Parks]

All the lawyers think, no, but again.

[Ish]

That'S a great thing.

[Joe Budden]

But the lawyer might have been correct. It's just a risk that you can't necessarily take when they open the door for you right then and there. And like, his reasoning, which completely made sense to me, like, yo, this has been going on two years. If I decide to reject this and we still play this out, this trial could go on for another year. True. I can't be away from my peers. Lawyer don't know where my lawyer don't know where my money is. All of that. And Thug has already taken losses, like personal losses with family and shit like that while locked up. So it's like, dog, I'm away from my kids, I'm away from this, I'm away. Yo, let's just get this shit over with.

[Mal]

That. I mean, you know what it is, though, is that. And it Sounds crazy, what I'm about to say, but sometimes it's necessary to sit down for a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes sitting down can save your life. Clearly.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, it can save your life. Sometimes it's. Yo, sometimes it's necessary to sit down. Like Ish said, you clear your head. You see, sometimes pressure allows you to open your mind and realize the shit that you've been doing. Pressure meaning that somebody telling you what to do. Pressure meaning that you gotta wake up and go to sleep at some time. You know what I mean? It humbles you. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You're arrogant.

[Mal]

Those white boys up there, no disrespect. Those guys up there, like fucking. We talking about Ramadash. And all them other niggas up there, them strong ones, they don't give a fuck who you are. They will choke the shit out of you, fuck you up, spray you with water, all type of shit. They're not playing with you.

[Joe Budden]

This is South Jersey prison that everybody and they mother come back talking shit about. They said the white boys be flipping their lip down. They got KKK tattooed in their lip like they don't give a fuck about what your street reputation is. We'll murder you in here, nigger. Nigger, Hard er nigger.

[Mal]

We will murder you in his, bitch. Wait, wait, that came out too clear.

[Joe Budden]

When you were you in a position about you. You want your block, you the man and like that these niggas to send your ass to the woods where life is different. That shit don't matter what your reputation was on your. On your block. So a lot of times your arrogance and your bravado, your bravado, your gung ho attitude, that shit changes when you go sit down for a minute and you realize, yo, I was moving a little reckless. I was taking shit for granted.

[Ish]

Why do you think Thug ain't put out a record yet since he been out?

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, he didn't. He just got out.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Mal]

I think he.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I feel like he's just kind of like getting recalibrated to life back on the outside and family and, you know, and enjoying his woman who's stuck by his side, his kids. I think that two years inside really would, like we've been saying, help you to really reprioritize. Yeah.

[Ish]

Do you think he can afford it, though?

[Melissa Ford]

A thousand percent. A thousand percent. Forget about what's in his own bank account. Just the fact that. That, you know, he's just like. He's Atlanta's son. Everybody's probably going out of their way to support him in every way, shape and form, you know, so.

[Mal]

And we know his girl is happy.

[Ish]

Tell me what you think.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know about that. They was on trial for two years, dog. You looking at a rico. They was trying to give you life. Them attorney fees add up, my nigga.

[Ish]

You think it was 7%?

[Joe Budden]

And I don't know this to be true. I don't know these joker's business, but he might have been paying for a lot of his team's attorney fees. Possible.

[Mal]

Yeah, gave him bread.

[Joe Budden]

I know Drake came and gave him a million dollars, but not. But not just that. You don't think on the music side, the motherfuckers that just be will be looking to make music with him would cover that. Like. And I don't think it's gonna cost Dog no money to get in the studio right now. No, nobody said that. He said, could he afford not to go. Oh, I thought you said, can you afford? Like, yo, Dog, no, he can get a free studio. That's why I'm like, anywhere in the world. I'm talking about him not putting product out. I think. I think he been in the studio. I think he probably been active. He just look for the right shit to drop. You really got to get back in shape to record it.

[Ish]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

You sat for a minute, you put out some shit. You got to get back in.

[Mal]

You can't just come in and go home all day.

[Ish]

Get inspired.

[Mal]

Get inspired.

[Joe Budden]

That shit lasts a week. And be clear.

[Mal]

Wait, hold up. After doing two years, he giving her that. That horseshit. He gave her the horse Tricky. She's like, oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't seen Shorty since he came home.

[Mal]

Where have you been? Oh, my God.

[Melissa Ford]

Not on social media.

[Mal]

When you got your laser together, you came back a new man.

[Joe Budden]

You did that weekend at Rikers and went nuts.

[Mal]

Did you know that?

[Joe Budden]

Two years I didn't do a weekend at Rikers. Life. But it's all right.

[Mal]

When you came back from getting your lasered, you was a new man. Because you give me that type of vibe. Like, look at me walk around.

[Joe Budden]

Put my vibe in your mental role.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, you walk around, you was. You was checking. You was checking yourself out in the mirror, you know, checking himself out in the mirror. What I'm saying is that we know the type of person he is trying to be humble up here. But no, when he get to the crib, he. That he play. He playing 50 Cent. I'm the man walking around. Yeah, just Butt ass.

[Joe Budden]

The other thing about Thug, though, not dropping music. Remember, he has his content. Kind of got to change a little bit.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

What he can and can't talk about. So that right there could take some time and get adjusted. Yeah, I'm not used to rapping this way. It's certain. I'm used to saying that I can't say no more. Well, it might take a minute. You think?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If I've been doing it this way my entire career. The only thing you can't talk about is gangs.

[Ish]

That's a lot.

[Joe Budden]

I can still bust a head, drive by records, shoot them up, talk about gangs, act on. But do I want to talk about any type of that if I'm on a drug anyway? Do I want to play with them people? Yo, bro. Yeah, I'm just asking.

[Ish]

Back to risk versus reward.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not disagreeing, but I'm gonna go get some clarity. Listen, your honor, this is what we make money off of this type of music. I can't go make music about rainbows now. And you going to the same state that's already mad as. As you even.

[Ish]

Yep, for our free for embarrassing them.

[Joe Budden]

But that same judge was cool as shit. Definitely like, yo, dog. So I can't talk about butterflies and rainbow genre. Find something to talk about money. Talk that tough, talk that shit to me.

[Mal]

Shout out to Thug for sure. Shout out to everybody involved. I mean, it was a long trial. I was wondering how long would it have went? I don't know any other trials that were that long? You know, maybe you guys know cause you older than me, but it was extremely long. And I'm happy that he's home. I'm happy that he figured it out. And it's just humbling experience, man. Like him staying off the Internet, him chilling is showing that he's learning and understanding. Because at first when he was coming home, he was using his account, tweeting shit. I don't know if it was him, but yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You mentioned jail, Ian. You might have some better information.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

You might have some better information.

[Parks]

Our jail insider.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, not even. Not even, not even. Because I. I see the. The Hulk tour girl did something with a meme coin, and I see people talking about jail and all this other shit. So could you break that down to me? Because it looked like a smart idea at first.

[Ish]

Hell of a rug pull. She put out a meme coin. Anybody who invested in it.

[Parks]

Why is that like an nft? What the. What's. What is. I don't even Know what? A meme coin is similar.

[Joe Budden]

So like a dope half of the ones you talk, Doge.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, that's a meme coin, Pepe.

[Joe Budden]

All of them shit is me.

[Parks]

I never bought into them shit.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Ish]

Smart move.

[Melissa Ford]

They like the, the Kmart version of, like, bitcoin?

[Ish]

Pretty much.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Ish]

And I'm not mad at her for the hustle. I think if she would have stayed with it, she would have made a lot of money. But she fucked up where she took all the money out of it. And there's been a few of these that have happened ever since. XRP is taken off, Bitcoin's taken off. You have to be careful. But the part that's really tricky because it's more regulated now, they're looked at as securities. You can't just take your money away and rug pull all of your investors.

[Joe Budden]

So let me ask you a question. What, what type of she, the person that does that, would they be facing some kind of time given?

[Ish]

Well, there's a legal case against her now because the law firm came forward. She'll have good representation. She'll probably get a fine and do no jail time before other people. Some people have done four or five years. Like, because the banks have came in and took over crypto. They're not gonna let these examples of fraud happen like how they used to maybe, or seven years ago.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Ish]

So you'll probably pay a hundred thousand dollar fine, apologize.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold on, hold on.

[Mal]

Let's go down.

[Joe Budden]

Because I read how much it made. How much it made.

[Ish]

It made some money. And the market cap. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

$100,000 foreign. And apologize and go home. How much did it make, yo? How many you think?

[Ish]

Millions. But she, she didn't walk away with that herself.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

All herself.

[Mal]

Okay, so like 50 million over 20.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

It was a few.

[Melissa Ford]

I just, I, I. Yo, we're gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Have a US coin.

[Mal]

Why are you whispering for like, like you don't know what you know. You know the game. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We're gonna have a Red Panda Ish coin.

[Mal]

Can we do that together?

[Ish]

I'm not going to be involved in them, but if we hold it, I think it'll be valuable.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't got to be involved. Just let me know how to do it.

[Ish]

Shout out to JP Morgan, Vanguard Meta.

[Parks]

Protect your.

[Melissa Ford]

Want to know what boggles my mind about this girl?

[Mal]

Hate.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not capital H. Yeah, it's not hate. I swear to God.

[Mal]

What makes you hot and bothered about her?

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, very, very cute. No, I'M just like perplexed by this.

[Ish]

Why people love celebrity.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no.

[Mal]

Hold on.

[Melissa Ford]

Forget the fuck the popularity. So she's walking down the street of wherever the fuck she's from. Where she's from Memphis, Nashville, all right? And somebody catches her on camera and she says, hock to her. And then where the fuck does the team come from?

[Mal]

It wasn't instant because she asked him a couple of times to not take it down. To take it down. So it wasn't instant. But.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. But what I'm know is how did we get from there? From that moment to her sitting on fucking Bill Maher, to her having a podcast, to her having this opportunity. Like, where did the, where did the team form around?

[Joe Budden]

She didn't have a team. Yeah, once you, once your popularity starts to take off, she went viral. Now you start to go get things that are necessities. People see a value to you.

[Melissa Ford]

Now if you've never been in it, how do you know how to reach out?

[Joe Budden]

That's what Bill Maher was telling her.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, that's what I'm trying to say is because you have never been in the industry, you have no level of sophistication. You're going to be, I understand, like being viral and you getting hit over the head with all these offers and people saying, oh, I want to do this for you, I want to do that for you. But then how do you like go through everybody if you don't know who everybody is and what they're offering? Like a lot of people are sharp snakes and they can take advantage of you.

[Joe Budden]

How do you think a rapper finds a manager? How do you think a person in the industry?

[Mal]

You've been in the industry.

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Parks]

People find you, you've been in the.

[Joe Budden]

Industry for a long time, you go, it's gonna be trial and error. Corey might say, yo, I can make you big, bigger than everybody. I could. You know what I mean?

[Melissa Ford]

A lot of people promising to do that and they're really just, they're not.

[Mal]

Well, she's talking.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody reach out to her that has a track record. Yeah, like you could say, oh, this person? Oh, you. Yeah, yo, I could do you. I could put you up here. I've worked with abcd. The person that got her in front of Bill Maher might have said, yo, I got you in front of Bill Maher.

[Melissa Ford]

That's fucking amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I got you in front of Bill Maher. You are sitting down in a one on one with Bill Maher and Bill Maher's now saying, you need to capitalize off of this 15 minutes of fame. Y'all dissed him for saying it. And you know what? That she got a meme coin. Look, that person that got her in front of Bill Maher, you know what he's saying to the next one? Hey, I got the hock to a girl in front of Bill Maher, so I can take you here.

[Melissa Ford]

Her name.

[Mal]

Haley.

[Joe Budden]

Well, her name is Hock Tour.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you would know.

[Ish]

She took over.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't gonna beat the allegations either.

[Mal]

It's not about that. But here's the thing.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait. Sorry. Long form, content.

[Mal]

That was hate. That's hate. That's why she popping. That's hate. Here's the thing, country girl, you know what I mean? The image is one way. She come talking about spitting on dick. So it's like, oh, it was funny.

[Joe Budden]

How she said it too. You gotta spit on that thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, Neither one of them are beating. She a little freak. Dang. You know, it's. You know, we like. We like a lot of vanilla in our coffee. Well, you like way more than us, but she's a freak. What, so then now she skyrocket. Yeah. And the people. You know, one thing about it, what I notice about. And we don't want to admit this, but when white people see one of their own getting some traction, it's a bigger market, a way bigger market than one of us.

[Ish]

And she, believe it or not, she's entertaining as hell.

[Mal]

When I went viral, I signed a deal with. What's the shit called? Unilad. I forgot what it. What it was, but I signed a deal with them. And the deal that somebody else got was way bigger than mine. A percentage, you know, And I had to go back and renegotiate. I need an 8020 split. At first they wanted to give you like 60, 40, shit like that. But then when I found out, you know, you communicate with each other.

[Joe Budden]

More information. Information.

[Mal]

More information, which is important. Damn.

[Ish]

You getting 80 20s.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Well, now, yeah, I'm getting 80, 20 now and residual. But at the same time, it's like when they see one of their own popping and the Internet is gravitating towards them, they on their ass. And they're gonna give them all their resources to Melissa Ford. They're gon givea them all their resources. They're gonna help them get to the top.

[Joe Budden]

They have a bigger look at Larry Bird that they could sell it to as well, though.

[Ish]

And that goes back to my point. If she Wouldn't have pulled. She could have made millions of dollars off of this coin.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to say that might not even be true.

[Ish]

What might not be true?

[Mal]

Why do you think that's not true?

[Joe Budden]

Because they might be cracking her muffin and getting a 3070 split. They might be giving her all their resources, but all of our resources come with a big chunk of the pie. Ain't no guarantee that she be getting an 80 20. She could be getting a 20 80. She might not be getting 80 20. Because you don't. You too. You don't even.

[Ian Dunlap]

You green, you grew.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Mal]

But they take advantage of your money. But then make whatever. But by her being a face is making enough money to cover all that where she don't.

[Joe Budden]

I'm agreeing.

[Mal]

She's not affected by the 1880s.

[Ish]

She signed with UTA. She not getting no 82. Like she's not getting. People at Utah have been.

[Mal]

Explain that. Explain what? Utah.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a major, major, major talent agency in la. Like, it's huge. Uta, caa. William Morris Endeavor.

[Mal]

Hold on real quick. Why you always. Why you always do that, Bro?

[Joe Budden]

I'm giving you props. I said I thought you would know what UTA is. You've been in this business for mad long.

[Mal]

I know what UTI is because you got it. But I don't know what UTA is.

[Joe Budden]

Look, I know what UTA is and you've been in this longer than me.

[Mal]

I'm a part of sag, aftra.

[Joe Budden]

That's all.

[Mal]

I.

[Melissa Ford]

That's different.

[Mal]

Okay? That's what I'm a part of. Agency that. That pitches you to people or represent.

[Joe Budden]

You could be signed to uta. You. You could be signed.

[Mal]

Okay. Thank you. I'll look into it. You thought I was trying to be funny.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't.

[Ish]

Yes. Yeah. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Sign into an agency, mean you gotta listen to somebody when they. True.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

And I might get you a 30 20.

[Mal]

A 30 20? You talking about I like an idiot. So where's the other 50? That means I got. I look stupid. See, I'm not saying that's how they get you. Yeah.

[Ish]

Introduction.

[Mal]

No, I didn't know that. But thank you for putting me on. I didn't know that. But I mean, it's looking bad for her now. I mean, she is under fire.

[Ish]

Yeah, she fought.

[Mal]

Do you think she's personally responsible for it?

[Ish]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Have you pulled the money out that.

[Mal]

People have pulled you? Come on.

[Ish]

If I tell you to invest in something and it doesn't go well, you're responsible for that.

[Mal]

But Ian, what about the people around her that's just using her as a face. What if she was tricked? What if she was because you think.

[Ish]

The United Health these niggas gave you.

[Joe Budden]

A gun and told you go kill somebody. You got caught.

[Mal]

That's way different. You always go to the extreme. That's extremely, extremely different.

[Ish]

Do you think that the CEO of United Healthcare wrote the AI to deny 90% of people? No, but he's the one who took the fall for it. So same with her. Like, if you're going to be the face and promote this and be public facing and brand ambassador, you know what your Q score is?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, man, you gotta take the other side of that. Yo, what's a Q score?

[Melissa Ford]

Q rating.

[Ish]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

Q rating? I don't know what that is.

[Mal]

No, you don't know what a Q score is.

[Melissa Ford]

Just like that's when you are popularity and likability factor.

[Ish]

Yeah, likeability factor. Your rating, your sliders on Tuesday. I don't know.

[Parks]

You learn something new every day.

[Joe Budden]

Word. Uta, caa. We in the alphabets.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Even Flip didn't know.

[Mal]

See, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Flipping around like.

[Mal]

No, what the is that you talking about? The. That you the bar, the Q code and you take a picture of menus.

[Joe Budden]

No, I thought you would know that. See?

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Ish]

Yeah, I did.

[Melissa Ford]

We just said it. Your Q rating is your likability and popularity factor.

[Ish]

How popping you are.

[Mal]

How would you be able to find that out? Where do you get the Q score from?

[Ish]

It would help to have agency.

[Joe Budden]

Uta, caa.

[Ish]

Yeah. Shout out to Christian.

[Mal]

Yo, stop shouting out, bro.

[Ish]

Shout out to Christian. Meta.

[Mal]

What? The Christians. The church. Okay. Shout out to them. This always want to be cool with somebody.

[Ish]

These people I'm in business with.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Mal]

Oh, you are.

[Ish]

Shout out to the Raiders.

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right, all right.

[Ish]

Myers. Shout out to the Dolphins.

[Mal]

Yeah, no doubt again. Keep going. Shout to them.

[Ish]

Shout out to Flip. We talked last night. Shout out my dog. You know what I mean?

[Mal]

Yeah, I think. I think that. Yes, I got it. I think that I'm gonna go home and do some more research because I need to be down with these companies. I do.

[Ish]

We didn't talking last night.

[Mal]

I mean, that's the journey I've been on recently though, like traveling and like that. And thanks to y'all. Just want to expand your mind and be down with these companies and learn more, man. When you realize how ignorant you you were.

[Joe Budden]

That's a. That's a gift.

[Mal]

You feel crazy Right.

[Joe Budden]

It's a gift, though. When you really realize. Oh, I don't know at all. When you hit that moment now, it's like, all right now.

[Mal]

But why are we comfortable? Why? Why are we comfortable in that position?

[Joe Budden]

Because we think we know it all.

[Mal]

I was walking around like, I don't give a. I don't care. I am me and my mind, but I'm just a little.

[Joe Budden]

And then you realize this little dot. I'm only gonna get right here with that thinking. When your associations change too.

[Ish]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

So if you the head of the all your friend group where you now come sit on the couch. Not trying to be funny. When you now come sit on the couch and you sitting on the couch across from Joe, it's a level to it that you haven't gotten to yet. So now you gotta seek for more information. Level up to that and then vice versa.

[Ish]

And also being comfortable being out of your comfort zone. Even when she launched that coin, I calculated what I could have made if I would have did a coin two years ago. I was like, fuck, I should have did it the right way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I make it.

[Mal]

But you.

[Melissa Ford]

So you won't do it now?

[Ish]

No, I wouldn't do it now. It goes against my values.

[Joe Budden]

But we can do a JBP coin. No, we ain't gotta do a jbp going officially ice. What could I make on a coin? Yeah, yeah. Me and Ish could do a double eye coin. Put the apology money to the side.

[Mal]

Y'all are scammers who scared Scammer who's scamming.

[Joe Budden]

Who said it's a scam?

[Mal]

All right, that stop. Don't involve this scam. Don't involve this nice man to your Walmart coin. You know, you know you can't.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I ain't gonna lie.

[Mal]

I think I would have did the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

All of that.

[Ish]

That's a good name.

[Mal]

What's. What's the steps into cashing out, though? Like, it's a. You said it's a process. So you can't just press the button and cash out like GoFundMe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

It's a long process, a couple of steps. Oh, you don't want to say that publicly.

[Ish]

No, because I don't want people to scam and do the same Bitcoin Ethereum.

[Mal]

Shout out to you being Red Panda.

[Ish]

Yeah, but Bitcoin Ethereum, ada. Xrp.

[Parks]

Yo, Flip, it's time for. It's time for our favorite part of the show.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Hey.

[Parks]

Joe was so kind to do the Read for us. So I'm gonna go ahead and drop that right here.

[Melissa Ford]

Yay.

[Joe Budden]

There we go.

[Mal]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Mal]

Hold on, yo.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Mal]

You ain't gotta do, yo.

[Joe Budden]

You should know this in my heart.

[Mal]

Anyway, you can do it. Prize Fix is the number one daily.

[Joe Budden]

Sports app and all of them.

[Parks]

Let's let the professional do. Let's let the professional do.

[Joe Budden]

All right. All right. It's time for my favorite part of the show.

[Mal]

Prize pigs gang year.

[Joe Budden]

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[Mal]

Thank you, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Mal]

I thought we was gonna sound without that. Yeah, but we not. I want to play a game with y'all.

[Parks]

Let's do it.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Mal]

There's a game that's been going on around the Internet. Viral game called we listen and we don't judge. Let's say it at the same time.

[Joe Budden]

We listen and we don't judge. Basically how that works.

[Mal]

Explain the game, first of all. Basically, I could pick each and every one of y'all and just say something about y'all. That's the game that I saw. Something about y'all that I may have a problem with or may. That I may like or. Because I want to switch it because a lot of you niggas take things too personal up here. So I may say that something.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you looking at me while you saying that, though?

[Mal]

Cause you the nigga that take the.

[Joe Budden]

The personal that may have been. We gonna. We gonna.

[Mal]

We.

[Joe Budden]

We. We let some old shit Go, though. It ain't been the same for a while.

[Mal]

It haven't. So y'all understand the game? Cause you know I'm not good at explaining shit. Y'all understand the game, though. Oh, we listen and we don't judge. Hey, yo, Ish. Every time I get in your car, I be mad. Cause I'm afraid of them pee bottles that you have on the fucking floor. You be having a lot of pee bottles and shit.

[Parks]

You a sick fuck.

[Mal]

Can't say you got back.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you listen. You don't judge.

[Mal]

You listen.

[Joe Budden]

You don't judge.

[Mal]

You got mad pee bottles and you got the big joints. You got gallons. That means you reuse, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Pull as much as you in. Wawa. We listen, we don't judge.

[Mal]

We listen and we don't judge.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Mal]

Ish.

[Joe Budden]

He flip. Oh. Oh, there you go. No, I'm gonna need you to start giving J.R. his hoodies back.

[Parks]

We listen.

[Joe Budden]

We don't judge.

[Parks]

Fair?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, fair. All fair.

[Mal]

Ice?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

Sometimes when you be giving a pound and your hand be bleeding, the blood be getting on. Not me. I be tired. I be going to wash my hands. But I don't do it in front of you because you my man. So you know, I gotta just hold it down.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know this game, idiot. Yeah, I don't know this game. All right. Skip me, man. I don't care about you.

[Ian Dunlap]

You got. You gotta.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta do it.

[Mal]

Anything.

[Joe Budden]

This nigga, yo. Oh, man. All right, man. Flip, we. What you said.

[Mal]

We listen and we don't judge.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna hold you, dog. I be wanting to give you my barber's phone number. You my man. So I just be letting you cook. But either commit to it or just cut this shit off like. Oh, man, listen.

[Mal]

And we don't judge.

[Joe Budden]

That's Flip. You the only nigga that ain't in construction but keep plumbers crack.

[Parks]

Oh, shit. We listen and we don't judge.

[Mal]

I do have a problem with you constantly doing events and family parties and not inviting any one of us to your family parties and come back and brag about it. Or not try to brag about it. You know what I'm saying? Cause you look like you be having a good time. I do have a problem with you leaving me outside and leaving me out your life wife.

[Joe Budden]

I remember that.

[Mal]

Thank you. We listen and we don't judge.

[Melissa Ford]

It took mine.

[Ian Dunlap]

He did.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, maybe not the plumbers crack, but I was definitely going to say, flip, I'm going to need you to start wearing pants in your Actual size. Because those last pair of jeans that you wore in here, ass out.

[Joe Budden]

I just see your heart beating through them bitches.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm sorry. I saw things that I shouldn't have seen.

[Mal]

Thank you, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Said with love.

[Mal]

Thank you, man.

[Melissa Ford]

We listen and we don't judge.

[Mal]

Mel, Mel, Mel, Mel, Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

Keep it above board, motherfucker.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, you can't. Above board, motherfucker.

[Mal]

I'm tired of you coming in here like you work at Hooters. Put some fucking clothes on. Because if we look a certain way with pose, snitch, camera, we end up getting in trouble and look like niggas is lusting over you. And you just be walking in front of niggas. Can you please find another route to walk every time you got some shit on you, Walk right in front of niggas in slow motion. Hurry up and walk to the side or wait till one of us get up. Okay, we listen and we don't judge.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Mal]

Imani.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, E is here.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Melissa Ford]

Jumped in right for this game.

[Ian Dunlap]

I ain't gonna lie. Ice, I want you to stop trying to dye your beard, bro.

[Mal]

It's over.

[Ian Dunlap]

Just let that shit stay natural.

[Mal]

Let that shit breathe. Listen, and we don't judge. Ayo, E. Hey, you skip.

[Ian Dunlap]

All right, we skipping.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mal]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

We just going around.

[Mal]

Enough. Enough. Bro, you're not the. I'm tired of you coming here like you the heartthrob of the pod, nigga. Like you the fucking smoothest nigga in the world. Like you get to it all niggas. A lot of other smooth niggas in here, nigga. Enough. You try to cut your hair and thought you was cool. Like we can still see through them stupid ass curls. You still. Your hair still see through and that's it. I'm tired of you coming in here bragging and wanting to be Mr. Oh, everybody love me. I'm every man for every woman. Okay, stop. All right. And low key. I don't want to do shit.

[Joe Budden]

Worse.

[Mal]

Problems is done.

[Joe Budden]

Thanks for the game, Flip.

[Ian Dunlap]

Nice to tell you.

[Mal]

I think it's. Yo, hey, Y.

[Parks]

You're so hip with the.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. With what the kids are doing on the Internet.

[Parks]

Yeah, with the kids.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, the Internet.

[Ish]

The bad.

[Mal]

But I. I don't like the plumbers. But in it. I don't like the jeans.

[Parks]

No one likes it.

[Mal]

Y'all sure that I be doing that?

[Joe Budden]

We sure.

[Parks]

Positive.

[Joe Budden]

My eyes don't be lying.

[Mal]

So why I. Niggas don't say nothing to me in real time.

[Joe Budden]

Will your man you Wanna. You want the little jeans you wanna.

[Ian Dunlap]

Be what size you get?

[Joe Budden]

32. The wrong one.

[Mal]

My shit like a 36, 38.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so go to 42.

[Mal]

All right, so I 42. Chris, now you just said.

[Ian Dunlap]

Wait, you really get 36?

[Mal]

I get 38. 42.

[Joe Budden]

What? You went from a 36 to a 42.

[Mal]

I don't get that.

[Parks]

And you do not get 42.

[Mal]

Month, you skip.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, word.

[Mal]

What is it? It's 36. 38, 40, 42.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. So you get all four sides.

[Ian Dunlap]

So you go with them. It's 36 and a 42. Within those sizes.

[Mal]

I don't have a 136. It's like 38. Okay, if that's. And then I learned from Mel that my waist is up here, right under my belly button. I have my. You got the low.

[Parks]

Low rises on.

[Mal]

I have my waist.

[Joe Budden]

The clearance rack don't have all the sizes.

[Melissa Ford]

The low rise. The low rise to show your tramp state.

[Joe Budden]

That's what it be.

[Mal]

Mel try to be nice about it. She said, yo, you know that's not where your waist are. I thought I was killing it too. And I was wondering when my pants be falling down. That's your hips.

[Joe Budden]

They don't be falling. You ain't pull them up.

[Mal]

Bahama pulling my waist, my stomach.

[Joe Budden]

You can't get them up. Get your size and then they'll go up your size. Your size.

[Mal]

But if it goes over my my, that means there's a gap. Abelitas outside. I don't want to look crazy like that. Nah, I don't do that. Don't do that, right?

[Ish]

No, don't do.

[Mal]

So you're not supposed to. The is you're not supposed to wear your pants right here. Talk. Where are you pointing at?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, yo, this belt be on his.

[Mal]

Hip bone, but your right here, right?

[Ian Dunlap]

You pointing right here on y'all not.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not. Right here. Right here.

[Ian Dunlap]

Where the dent is at?

[Mal]

Yeah, the dent. Not. Not here, not here. Yeah, that's where it was wrong.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's what you're supposed to be at. You're supposed to be right there.

[Mal]

Yeah, I love flirting.

[Parks]

Pants in real time.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I can lift your up pause. Put your belt line and then put your stomach over it.

[Ian Dunlap]

There you go.

[Mal]

All right, hold on, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

What are those?

[Mal]

No, what are those?

[Ian Dunlap]

What are those?

[Joe Budden]

What size?

[Mal]

Medium.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get them. It's medium.

[Mal]

That's not an extra large.

[Joe Budden]

That's not an extra large.38.

[Mal]

Zara, he's a large.

[Ish]

He's a large.

[Joe Budden]

You don't wear a large. You don't wear a large. They juniors, you think?

[Mal]

I think they junior shits.

[Joe Budden]

How you wearing JR pants?

[Parks]

He taller than you.

[Mal]

JR's tall and at the.

[Joe Budden]

And skinny nigga JR4 Junior.

[Mal]

What?

[Ian Dunlap]

But he thought because he was taller that some of the length would add.

[Mal]

To exactly width with.

[Parks]

Yeah, his shits up.

[Ian Dunlap]

Don't get. Don't get those back a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

He don't want them back. He don't want them back. He don't want them.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, his word. Christmas joints.

[Joe Budden]

Christmas joints.

[Mal]

All right, hold up. Long johns. Hey, yo, yo, yo.

[Joe Budden]

They long johns.

[Parks]

These jeans are too skinny to put some on top of them.

[Mal]

You good. You in the Christmas move with that sweater. You good. Chill. You can't wear skin. So I should make these into long johns and you should make them into.

[Ian Dunlap]

No, don't wear them anymore.

[Joe Budden]

Get rid of those. Why?

[Mal]

These are not this flea. Stop.

[Joe Budden]

What's flea?

[Ish]

They fire. Be a size up, that's all.

[Ian Dunlap]

Get a size up, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Baggy is in.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, no, the size up still won't be baggy.

[Mal]

It just be fitted.

[Joe Budden]

Just get your size one one up. No, Nothing tapered. This nigga crazy.

[Mal]

Nothing tapered.

[Joe Budden]

Stack, stack, straight leg.

[Mal]

Yeah, say something.

[Melissa Ford]

Flea means fly.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Mal]

We know the word flea may be traumatic to you, but, you know.

[Ish]

Stop. Stop. Time out. Not on. Mel, come on. Stop that.

[Mal]

Stop. You want to go back to.

[Ian Dunlap]

We listen and we don't judge now, okay?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I'm gonna let him live.

[Mal]

It's all good. Mel, please. I want no problem with you. Especially on a day like this. I need your help. Cause these niggas out here, they're against me. So I need your help. Okay? For real. Let's go back to when we first got signed, nigga. Even though you renewed your shit without permission.

[Parks]

Without permission.

[Joe Budden]

Permission.

[Mal]

It's. Don't shake your head, nigga. You know, that's some bullshit that's going on. She renewed her. I don't give a fuck.

[Joe Budden]

Was she supposed to get your permission to re. Sign?

[Mal]

No, I just want to be in. I want to be in the nuts.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask you a question.

[Mal]

Anything you want.

[Joe Budden]

How many contracts you signed since y'all been here? Modification here. Modifications, updates, amendments.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, when you got your amendments?

[Joe Budden]

Improper. Not details, just how many. You brought the contract up.

[Mal]

No, I just said she just signed 3. 3. 4.

[Joe Budden]

Was she privy to any of those before you signed? You updated her first after. No, no, no. Look, you got privy to hers after.

[Mal]

All right, let's move on.

[Joe Budden]

There we go.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Mal]

Let's move on. Andrew Schultz.

[Parks]

Andrew Schultz.

[Ish]

Oh, God.

[Mal]

Parks.

[Parks]

He fired back at Kendrick.

[Mal]

Andrew Schultz fired back at Kendrick Lamar because what Kendrick Lamar said in the record.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, yes.

[Mal]

Kendrick Lamar said what in the record.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't really fire back at Kendrick Lamar. He fired back at hip hop.

[Ish]

But he fired at Kendrick.

[Joe Budden]

He fired at hip hop.

[Melissa Ford]

Kendrick said he was just like something.

[Mal]

Don't let no white comedian talk about a black woman. That's lie.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Ian Dunlap]

Are we for sure that he was talking to.

[Melissa Ford]

For sure, yes.

[Joe Budden]

You know, they say if the shoe fit where he wore the shoe.

[Mal]

I don't know. What black women did Andrew Schultz talk about?

[Melissa Ford]

It was when he was on. Yeah, yeah, it was that podcast, those guys. And he started talking about this trend that was happening on TikTok and Instagram where it shows how white men who married black women experienced a glow up. That was the reference point that he was describing.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

And so it was like just a bunch of. Of black women married to white men. And you saw what they look like before and after being married to said black woman. They look 30,000 times better, and they credit their woman for upgrading them.

[Mal]

Okay, so. But why. Okay, wait, hold on.

[Melissa Ford]

He really shouldn't. That's the origin of the joke. It wasn't fucking funny. There was. It was fucking stupid. And so.

[Mal]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That don't sound like he's disrespecting the black women.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that was. That was what the whole. The clip was. But he was basically saying. I mean, I think we should hear.

[Ian Dunlap]

We can find this joke.

[Parks]

I don't have the old clip. I have the new clip from what he said today or yesterday, whatever it was.

[Joe Budden]

I thought it was something about Kamala, but I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that was what it was in reference to.

[Ish]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Anyway, this is what you said back.

[Mal]

Like, first of all, Kendrick's people and the gang affiliate, everybody, his security, they will kill me. They will destroy me. They'll. They'll find me in the street. They'll cut me up. They'll do whatever.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not.

[Mal]

But just Kendrick. I would make love to them.

[Melissa Ford]

There's nothing he could do about it.

[Mal]

Just Kendrick Lamar. I would make love to him. And the only thing that he could.

[Joe Budden]

Do is decide if it's consensual or not.

[Mal]

That's the only thing he could do.

[Joe Budden]

If it's me and Kendrick.

[Mal]

If it's me, Kendrick. No, this is about physics. It's about physics. I don't even know if I'll get hard. But if we're in a cell, there's.

[Joe Budden]

A chance that.

[Mal]

If we're in a cell and we're bored and we done tattooing each other, whatever you do in the cell. And we ran out of board games and we did all the other things, we cleaned everything. And I'm like, man, I might as well fuck you.

[Parks]

That's the gist.

[Joe Budden]

No, he said way more than that.

[Parks]

Yeah, he went for a while longer, but it's a long clip.

[Joe Budden]

I never even heard that part. The part I heard where he was like, yo, I'm dissing a black woman. Oh, you mean hip hop, like. And he starts to go down the traditions of hip hop, misogynistic and anti woman in certain instances. And he just rocked on that for about 20 minutes. Pause. It's like saying, nigga, I could do it, but you can't. Yeah, it's like saying, we could say nigga, but they can't.

[Ish]

Which it still doesn't make it right, though. Shout out to Alex. Shout out to shows love you dearly.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, yo, don't come up here with that. I'm about to get off.

[Ish]

You can't say that you are. Will somebody black, like, if we're gonna go back to buck breaking and certain shit should not, that line should not be crossed. I don't give a. If it was in jokes, I'm not going to.

[Ian Dunlap]

Just seems real hypocritical.

[Joe Budden]

It is very hypocritical, it seems.

[Ish]

Why?

[Ian Dunlap]

Well, first off, I didn't think the joke was funny, but I do understand he's a comedian and he does make jokes. Yeah, I've seen one side of people speak and make certain jokes and we allow it and let it go forth and then we only seem to get emotional when it comes down to certain shit that affects us. That just doesn't play part to comedy, bruh.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, no, go ahead, go ahead. I just saw somebody, in response to that, posted the Dave Chappelle joke about Michael Jackson where he was like, the kids. I mean, yeah, a lot of kids. I want to go into details of the joke, but Cory over here pushing.

[Parks]

His shoes in this.

[Joe Budden]

And when that joke happened, it was hilarious. Like, laughed at. It was in his standup. No, it wasn't. It was a recent standup.

[Ish]

It was recent.

[Joe Budden]

It was one of his. One of his recent standups. My thing is when a comedian is equal opportunity. I respect that personally. Just because you shoot at everybody, you.

[Ian Dunlap]

Don'T pick and shoot, we just don't like Andrew Schultz. That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true. Cause I say that nigga's funny. You know, I stay.

[Ian Dunlap]

I'm not saying you. I'm not saying you.

[Ish]

I'm saying the community has a culture.

[Ian Dunlap]

The culture, the community of people who are having an outrage. And I understand why you might not like him. I think a big part of that outrage is because they solely just don't like him. I do think if another white comedian would have made that joke.

[Joe Budden]

Bill Burr makes that joke. Nobody's mad.

[Ian Dunlap]

I don't think no one trips. I. I think they don't like him.

[Mal]

So here's my thing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna say. I'm gonna say this.

[Mal]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

I think that Billy Burr.

[Ish]

I think that would have made a better joke.

[Parks]

He would have made a better joke.

[Joe Budden]

He would have made a ten times better joke. But I also think that Billy Burr, and correct me if I'm wrong, I could be. Is not necessarily as in tune with the hip hop demo as Schultz is. Correct. That's why I think education comes. Education comes along with that. So you might make a joke unbeknownst to you, that it could be hurtful or harmful. Right. He is more in tune with the hip hop community, et cetera, et cetera. So I think he should be more aware.

[Ian Dunlap]

What makes you think that?

[Joe Budden]

Of what lines to cross.

[Ian Dunlap]

What makes you think that Schultz is more in tune? Because everything that he does and speaks about, usually when he's coming, it shows that he's not in tune because he.

[Melissa Ford]

Sits next to Char.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

The proximity, the close proximity to the culture.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Probably makes him feel like he talks.

[Parks]

About hip hop topics. I mean, I think he talks about playing the drums.

[Joe Budden]

I think he don't. He don't make this joke if he's not in tune with it. He would even know Kendrick Parks said a certain joke. Right. Parks is our brother. I know that Parks has more awareness about issues that we hold near and dear than some other white boy that I don't know that might have grown up in Elmira. Right. So if park says some shit, I might take to heart that I wouldn't take to heart if another white boy said it. We like Park.

[Ian Dunlap]

So that's my point.

[Joe Budden]

I said I might take it to heart.

[Ian Dunlap]

And you're personalizing the comedian based upon whether, you know, like Bill. First of all, Bill Burr got his start from what I remember him really. First seeing him was Chappelle Show.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Ian Dunlap]

So a lot of that was. He Was entrenched with a certain level of culture just from doing that show. I don't think he's just totally oblivious to hip hop culture. He might not focus that on his standup, but I don't think him and Schultz are, like, light years ahead in culture.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha.

[Ian Dunlap]

I just think we find him to be more personable. We find him to be more funny. We find him to.

[Joe Budden]

I think Schultz is hilarious. Have not come in here and said, yo, I have to be fucking funny.

[Ian Dunlap]

I don't want. When I say we, I'm not saying us up here. I'm saying just the general population just seem to have more of an affinity for him than Schultz.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha.

[Ian Dunlap]

So it's way easier to hear that joke and be like, well.

[Ish]

Or Gary Owens.

[Mal]

Right?

[Ian Dunlap]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

Here's the thing that I don't agree with you guys on. The thing about it is Andrew Schultz sits next to Charlamagne and they speak about hip hop. Right? And while, okay, the joke may be just a joke. You a comedian. But what I do is I hate when people who are not a part of our culture end up coming into our culture and then their true feelings start to come out.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know that.

[Mal]

I'm sorry, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because he started to say about how black men or how rappers treat their women right. That means you knew this and you felt this way. You knew this and you felt this way. You sitting next to Charlamagne and you.

[Ish]

Back up on the show, huh? He been saying this on the show.

[Mal]

Well, I don't watch him, so I don't know if he's been saying the.

[Ish]

Same sentiment for years.

[Mal]

So he saying what, that black men or rappers beat their women?

[Ish]

So I can take forever.

[Mal]

If you guys do it, I can do it. No, you can't do it.

[Joe Budden]

And that's. That's the overall gist.

[Mal]

No, you can't. You think. You think. You think you can't do it. Cause you think, no disrespect, that the Jewish people gonna allow us to talk or make jokes about anything pertaining to Jewish. Jewish culture or what they went through. No, they're not. They're not. You're offending. You get canceled. So we're not gonna let this guy. Huh?

[Joe Budden]

He's right.

[Mal]

We're not gonna let this guy sit down there and then say, okay, it's a joke. I'd rather him address Kendrick Lamar and make jokes based on that. But when you start addressing hip hop and what hip hop has. Did to the black woman and how we have not protected the black woman and start quoting quotes and like that. Then, nigga, you spitting in our face.

[Melissa Ford]

And also, I found the original clip. I sent it to Parks for him to play if he wants to play it. But, you know, the. The whole. The tik tok trend was called the black wife effect just for specificity. But I found the clip for.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not disagreeing with Flip. I think that. I think two things could be true. Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

YouTube, shut up.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't have.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't have premium that.

[Parks]

Holy.

[Joe Budden]

That was great.

[Mal]

Yeah. So you'll see a guy who's had a black girlfriend, all of a sudden.

[Ian Dunlap]

He'S got buzz cut.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah.

[Mal]

They shave their hair because they start.

[Ian Dunlap]

Losing it because they're so stressed around.

[Joe Budden]

This black girl complaining about all the time.

[Mal]

That's why they gotta shave their headphones.

[Parks]

They grow a beard.

[Mal]

More cushion when they get slapped the out of. I think. I think the black girlfriend effect, it might be a protective instinct, bro.

[Joe Budden]

You think that's not a glow up, you guys.

[Mal]

Have you ever had black girlfriends? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do. Have you ever had white girls? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay, what's your favorite? Who is he sitting next to? They're all black.

[Joe Budden]

We love them all. Yeah. That means white.

[Mal]

I guess. So I guess that there's. I guess to certain people there's a thin line between truth and joke. Right?

[Joe Budden]

I get Kendrick responding to that now. Yeah, that's not what Mel said. Like they were complimenting them all.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. That's not. That's not. I was not saying that the con. The conversation was complimentary. What I was saying was what the trend was. The trend was the black wife effect and how white guys look raggedy and then when their black woman gets a hat, they swag them up. That was the trend. And that's what he's commenting on. And then he's. So. He's basically alluding to the fact that the reason why they get the buzz cuts is because the stress of dating a black woman makes losers. It's not fucking funny. And then the beard is to cushion them from, like, physical. And then these two yucky.

[Joe Budden]

Before you do that, let me just ask. I'm not defending. I'm not defending, but I have to ask a question here. If a person don't like, like fucking Family Guy or South park where they shoot at everybody, you get what I'm saying? I don't take them as a racist or nothing like that because. All right, now It's a black joke because they do that. That's their. If someone's form of comedy is offensive, let's be clear. There are some offensive jokes that are funny regardless of how you look at it. If someone's form of comedy is being offensive and. And they're offensive to everybody, okay, I don't have a problem with that. I got a problem with the person who singles out. I'm only talking about this over here. Or I got a problem with the people that only have a problem when you talk about this over here.

[Mal]

You're sitting next to one of the. That's my beef with a big personality on the radio of New York, a known personality. You're sitting next to him who champions black culture. That's number one. So sitting next to him, he gives you a co sign. By even sitting next to him, you have a certain co sign and acceptance into the culture. Second of all, it's like you might not deserve. You're cracking jokes about the black woman, which is cool. But I'm saying that if it was the other way around, we're not allowed to do that and we're gonna get canceled.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Mal]

We have to protect. We gotta protect our culture. That's how I feel. I don't feel like I don't like what I just heard and what he said that.

[Joe Budden]

Me neither.

[Mal]

I don't like what I heard. And his response to Kendrick, I wasn't mad initially. Cause I'm like, okay, Nick, you playing around with a comedian, he's gonna respond. But then when I hear how you really feel, how it rolls off the tongue, it hits different. You know what I mean? That's like having a friend. A friend that's been around you all the time. If I have a white friend all the time and I'm judging him based off of one thing, and then he just responds about all the negative connotations that black people deal with or that's attached to black people. I'm gonna feel a way n. You always felt this way. And you sat next to me pretending just cause you had a goal in mind, that's how I would feel.

[Ian Dunlap]

Fleet, can I to go back to what you said about the acceptance and being allowed to be some level of a part of the culture. Who's to say that he ever wanted that?

[Ish]

Big facts.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Ian Dunlap]

And I'm just posing that question. First off, let me make it very clear. I don't fuck with nothing he said. I don't think none of the shit he said was, I don't fuck with that.

[Mal]

So you think, you think it's just us being typical and accepting anything?

[Ian Dunlap]

I think, I think he took. I think he took advantage of a platform at a moment where he was not of the ilk and of the status of Charlamagne. He sat next to him and he said, somehow.

[Melissa Ford]

And he benefited from it.

[Ian Dunlap]

Benefited and became just as big, if.

[Melissa Ford]

Not, if not bigger.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask you a question.

[Ian Dunlap]

Hold on, hold on real quick. The other part I want to say is, this is the confusing part for me when it comes to shit like this, because I want to allow comedians to be comedians. But then when comedians become now broadcasters and they become media personalities, they start to straddle that line of talking their real feelings and hiding it behind a joke. So I'm very like, I'm confused to say, do I go ahead and hold him to a certain standard? Because when is he talking about his personal feelings and when is he joking? That's my confusion at this point. Like, I want to give him the. I want to give every comedian the chance to really live in a comedy and do. Because I hate that boundary of saying, yo, you can't make whatever joke, but when are you serious? Like Schultz, is that really what you feel?

[Ish]

I mean, of course, because if it.

[Ian Dunlap]

Is, say that and let's just keep it clear. And then if it's not, then I have to just side on the side of comedy, which every comedian does, and this person.

[Parks]

Be funnier a little bit.

[Mal]

Well, be funny.

[Ian Dunlap]

Well, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

It's not a funny.

[Parks]

That's the big problem with all this to me, is lack of execution from a comedy standpoint. I mean, all the he said is offensive, but I think he was trying to be funny.

[Joe Budden]

No, but my question is not funny.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

My question is, what about the person that found it funny? I was about to say, yeah, because there's a ton. It just might not have been funny to us because there's comedians that people love. And I'm like this. It's terrible.

[Parks]

I watch that you.

[Ian Dunlap]

You and Joe, the joint that Joe was telling us about, I had to turn that shit after watching it. Anthony, you turned it off.

[Parks]

I turned it off.

[Mal]

I did too.

[Parks]

After the 4th I'm gonna fuck a 14 year old joke. I was like, yeah, yeah. And it wasn't even like, the jokes are bad, but then when the crowd starts going, it's like, yo, every joke.

[Ian Dunlap]

That he told, every joke that he told, the crowd was dying laughing and he's making really disgusting Dark jokes about kids, about trans community.

[Melissa Ford]

So mostly about under eight fucking kids. And it was.

[Joe Budden]

You can see his goal was, I'm gonna go to the extreme.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, he explains it being dark.

[Ian Dunlap]

Gallows humor is the level of taking something dark and trying to find humor out of it. I don't know when to tell Andrew, yo, shut your comedian brain off. Because he might just be in comedian mode no matter when he's talking. And, and I'm not saying that I agree with anything he said. I don't fuck with nothing he said. But I also want to stand on the side of. If you're a comedian and that's what you're doing, whether it's a good or bad joke, I don't want to be the person to tell you you can't make a joke.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna say this. And we all up here say certain things. Double standards exist, and they exist for a reason. Everybody applies to them, everybody benefits from them. Some of us do things that are not beneficial, but we all accept them. And some of the things that people say out of their mouths. There's a double standard where you don't work the other way. Yeah, you can say it about yours, you can't say it about mine. Man, I remember Monique doing standups, killing skinny, skinny bitches. Now let a woman came out. One skinny chick makes. No, no, no, no. One fat joke.

[Melissa Ford]

You're absolutely right.

[Joe Budden]

It was it.

[Melissa Ford]

You're absolutely right.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't gotta. You ain't getting no full run work.

[Melissa Ford]

There's some people that can get away with a certain type of humor. Caustic and offensive and stuff like that. There's other people that cannot get away with. And I think that Andrew Schultz really, really, really takes full advantage of not just the fact that he's white, entrenched in black culture, with the close proximity to one of the biggest, you know, faces and brands in culture. But also, it's the whole thing that you just said about, you know, if we. You cannot make any type of joke about anybody who is Jewish. Otherwise, it's antisemitism. You get automatically accused of antisemitism.

[Ish]

If they stand together, we won't.

[Melissa Ford]

What's that?

[Mal]

Yeah, but they will stand together on that.

[Melissa Ford]

We won't. Exactly. But it's just so easy to make fun of black people and the stereotypes. It's so easy.

[Joe Budden]

This is why I sound like I'm defending him, but I'm not. I've watched his stand up before. He don't just make black jokes. He don't yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And that's. So that's why it's like, if, again, if you. If you singled out and just did that, it's like we picking and choosing. No, we picking and choosing because we got a problem with this. But he's going down the list and just shooting at everybody. Could Kevin Hart make Jewish jokes? Nobody could make Jewish jokes. That's not a person alive.

[Ish]

But we're not going to stand together.

[Ian Dunlap]

It's not true, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Listen to this. I'm addressing ISIS point. ISIS point is he don't hold back. I like Schultz as a comedian.

[Parks]

Part of it.

[Joe Budden]

Cool. His standups was funny to me. What I'm saying is, but the fact that you shoot at everybody does not mean that you can say some insensitive shit and people can't find it offensive. Again, especially if you sit with the privilege that you are of a certain demo that is untouchable, that don't matter at that point.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

And again, you sit by people and you are aligned with people that have told you some of the historical things that we take offense to. So again, if Parks said a joke that I know, Parks is us and some other white dude that I don't know said the same exact joke, Parks is more in line with us. I'm going to look at Parks differently. Like, yo, you my man.

[Ian Dunlap]

You're right.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about?

[Ian Dunlap]

You know that. So now for the person on the outside who hears that, they could be just as offended as everyone else. I think. I think, end of the day, you.

[Mal]

Make a bad joke, cool.

[Ian Dunlap]

It can be a bad joke. But you also should be held accountable for how that bad joke.

[Joe Budden]

You got to deal with whatever come with the bad joke. I was saying I'm going to hold Parks more accountable is what I was saying. I'm going to hold Parks more accountable than I'm going to hold this dude over there from Elizabeth.

[Mal]

Yeah. Here's the thing. Thing. We're not going to get rid of double standards, right? Double standards are not going anywhere. If we were able to crack jokes on everybody and not get ridiculed, canceled and lose business deals because we took a certain stance or we seen the top of the top, just say a comment and lose deals. Kyrie, Nick Cannon, like, we've seen a lot of shit and they weren't even meant to be offensive, right? So if we can't do that, we not gonna let this fucking guy sit there and say something. We do it to us. We do it.

[Joe Budden]

And then.

[Mal]

And then their excuses, oh, they stick together.

[Joe Budden]

No no, no, I'm saying we, the.

[Mal]

Powers that may be all it does. All this shows me. All this shows me is that once again, when it comes to the black man, we have to just accept whatever they give us.

[Ish]

We don't have to accept.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm gonna be real the other way around.

[Mal]

I hear you, but listen what I'm saying. And I want to hear you, Ian, but that's just. Just how I'm taking it, by the responses that I'm hearing from my brothers. And it's just like, all right, whatever. Because if I sat here right now and said something that I'm not supposed to say, we're gonna edit this out. Why? Because we may get canceled or.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Mal]

Because the.

[Joe Budden]

There's ramifications for it.

[Mal]

There's ramifications. Face some scrutiny. Right?

[Parks]

But even beyond that, it's just like, if it's not good, take it out.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Mal]

Yeah, agreed.

[Melissa Ford]

Where the exact.

[Mal]

We can't crack. Like, stop. We can't crack. Crack a positive joke about what happened with the Jewish people. There's no positive way to crack a joke about that. That's what I'm referring to. There's no positive way. So we would have to take it out. We're not gonna keep it in it. There's no funny joke to say about that because the power that may be that's in charge is not gonna allow that, and we're gonna face scrutiny.

[Melissa Ford]

So you're calling what it is. So your point. So is your point that there is nobody like a Parks or anybody else in the room that's doing the checks and balances of. You might not want to have that out there. Is that.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Well.

[Mal]

Well, yes. There are people that will say that you might not want to have that out there, and they would edit it out if it's not. But I'm saying it just for shorts.

[Melissa Ford]

Which I'm talking about this particular circumstance.

[Mal]

But I feel like when it comes to the black culture, nobody's taking it serious to say that. Oh, we could take it, or they could take it. They've been through enough. They could. They can handle that. They don't stick together. Nobody's gonna say nothing. I'm sitting next to Charlamagne. That's what they're gonna say.

[Joe Budden]

Because Schultz had a joke about three fifths and remember slavery? They used to treat us as three.

[Melissa Ford]

Fifths of a human.

[Joe Budden]

He had a three fifths joke.

[Melissa Ford]

He's not fucking funny.

[Joe Budden]

It was funny, but they fuck away from that. Cross the line, my nigga. And we could never make that joke about.

[Ian Dunlap]

We just saw somebody deal with a very small level of backlash and it act like never happened. When Tony Hitchcliff went and did the. Was it the Republican or. Yeah, he went to go do the convention and he made his joke about the Spanish Puerto Ricans.

[Mal]

And for like all of a day.

[Ian Dunlap]

And a half, it was something. Until they was like, all right, well, fuck it. It don't matter. Like, that's literally the space we in. We're in that space of. For us in our culture, we are told we have to get over it. Nah, you know, we have to move past it.

[Joe Budden]

No, the Puerto Ricans defended him.

[Ian Dunlap]

No, don't say the Puerto Ricans. Some Puerto Ricans did because there was a lot of people who offended. So when we speak to the. Like, if you go online right now dealing with this short shit, it seems to be a majority of black people, whether they knew it was a joke or not, don't fuck with this. They don't fuck with it.

[Joe Budden]

Now there's a lot of people prior to the joke that just don't fuck with him. So him making that joke.

[Ian Dunlap]

Let me attach. Let me attach.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Ian Dunlap]

Go ahead with that alone. On top of the fact that many of those people just did not like him from the jump, it's only making it easier to make this a thing to keep pushing forward. But I can promise you within the next couple of days, it's over.

[Mal]

It's over.

[Ish]

It's over with.

[Ian Dunlap]

And that's the problem.

[Ish]

But you better call Top because Kendrick ain't nothing to play with.

[Mal]

You better because it's like you said for us, it's like we.

[Ish]

Nobody. Nobody black is going to check him. Who's going to say something to him.

[Mal]

But that's how we are raising our homes, too. Like turning. That's some masculine in the black homes. Turn the other cheek and.

[Joe Budden]

And it.

[Ish]

Not everybody home like that.

[Mal]

A lot of us are like that. Yo. Turn the other cheek. We don't give a.

[Ian Dunlap]

In the media space. We like that.

[Mal]

Yeah, nobody takes it. That still go to Vlad.

[Ian Dunlap]

Still go everywhere else. And we have been complaining about for almost a decade as far as not wanting to support certain things, not want to be a part of certain things.

[Mal]

This is.

[Ian Dunlap]

This is just a pattern where we just going.

[Joe Budden]

That was a. Yeah, we go into circles. That was the point I was making.

[Mal]

Making.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, when you start making jokes about Puerto Rico, cool. And now you have 20%, 30%. It don't matter what percentage of Puerto Ricans say, yo, that wasn't that funny. I mean, that wasn't bad. It was cool. I think it was. I agree with him. You know what it does? It lessens the blow. When you start making certain jokes about certain demographics. Even if they don't mind, they're gonna stand with that demo. They're never gonna come out and say, you know what? It wasn't that bad. He's a good guy, blah, blah. They not gonna defend you the same way. We sitting up here and the room is torn down the middle of all black people in this room. Parks is black. He's honorary black. But all of us in this room are sitting down. And some are halfway defending him or taken up for him, not necessarily defending him.

[Ian Dunlap]

And some are taking up for comedy, not for him.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. That's what I'm. Thank you. I'm not taking up for him.

[Melissa Ford]

Because the reality. He's right. Because we all went to see Dave Chappelle. We're all familiar with his humor. He makes fun of everybody. But the difference is we all love Dave Chappelle and we find him funny no matter what offensive he says. And you're right. And he's also the type of comedian that attacks everybody. Nobody is.

[Parks]

I think that the best, like, offensive comedians. Dave Chappelle, Burr, even back in the day was hom with the long hair that passed away.

[Melissa Ford]

George Carlin.

[Parks]

George Carlin would balance out the offensive with like some super serious. So you kind of knew that he was joking. It lead more into the comedy. If you don't do that, I feel like you're just doing shock job.

[Joe Budden]

I think even. I think even with Chappelle and Carlin.

[Ish]

Carlin, for sure. Yep.

[Joe Budden]

They ain't go too far. Depending on who you ask. The trans community felt Chappelle went way.

[Parks]

Too far time and time again.

[Melissa Ford]

And the disabled community as well.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it depends. Go too far to us. Cause we wasn't the butt of that joke. Can we just.

[Ian Dunlap]

Can we just. At some point, just to move it. Conversation. Can we just start finding out ways to hold these comedians responsible for the period. Don't hide behind that I'm a comedian shit at this point. Let us know how you really feel. If that's how you really look at the black culture and community. Cool. Let that be your statement away from a joke. Cause now I'm confused. Cause I want to be able to go ahead and say, for sure. I don't want to support that standup. I don't want to support that comedian. Because your thoughts Away from comedy. Don't fuck with me.

[Melissa Ford]

And I think that was a missed opportunity too, because when it came to the first instance where he was talking about the black wife effect, more people came after the shits and giggles guys for laughing and joking along because they're two black men and they're like, yo, he's speaking disparagingly about black women. What the fuck are you two doing? Rather than saving your ire for Andrew Schultz? But the vast majority, I don't know a single black woman that finds him funny or is interested in hearing him. So I, you know, and it literally. But it literally takes Kendrick to say something for this conversation to even come up again, which is I find also very interesting. So that's something that within that conversation, people kind of have to look at themselves as to what their. What they find offensive and what they'll get up in arms about and what they'll be like, eh, whatever.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people play follow the leader too. It's not offensive until everybody else is offended by it. Oh, shit, we mad at that. Cool, let's go. I agree with that.

[Mal]

Right?

[Ian Dunlap]

Then we can move along. Fuck you, Schultz. Either way, stand on that.

[Ish]

Okay, but to the hypocritical part of hip hop, what about that aspect?

[Joe Budden]

He's right.

[Ish]

Because hip hop has degraded black women way more than any white comedian.

[Joe Budden]

And then people feel like, even if it's true, it's not for you to point out. Out. That's really not for you to join in. It's not for you to point out. It's not for you to. Because I took that as not him pointing. It's just also. Oh, wait, if y'all have a problem, why wasn't it a problem all this time? Yeah, it's like, if this is wrong, if wrong is talking about, let's make it wrong.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yo, certain people don't gotta take their shoes off when they walk in my house, man.

[Mal]

That's. How much times did Nana say, what happens in this house stays in this.

[Joe Budden]

House, but it's not in this house.

[Mal]

It's global.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's global, but still he's saying it's in house.

[Mal]

It's in house amongst us.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't talking about it in house. Yo, we ain't gonna sit here and lie and act like we've been policing each other in house and just not letting. Partaking in that shit. I'm not disagreeing with you. We're not gonna say in front of that. But back to the point. Women can say certain shit to Each.

[Mal]

Other that we can't say.

[Joe Budden]

That we can't say to women can say shit to us that we can't flip. Women can sit there and talk about your hair, talk about the double standards. Double standards is all I was telling you when you said double extended. We have it. That's where people be like, well, how come they can say that? And where we can't, there's one. It's a small double standard. We can make a joke about our people that an outsider can't make about our people, or we can make a joke about somebody, and then if they joke on us about it, we're tight. You. You will sit there and say, that's my point. It ain't just here.

[Ian Dunlap]

It's life in this day and age, we got we fucked up. Cause we be speaking for each other. Like, we really all agree. A lot of the we that we include don't agree on a lot of.

[Mal]

A lot of the other side of.

[Ian Dunlap]

The weed don't have a problem if park say nigga.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of them don't have a.

[Ian Dunlap]

Problem if they little white homegirl says, like, I've been around that level of we. So we be speaking for people that really don't share the same sentiments as.

[Joe Budden]

Us or the two or the people that would not have a problem if park said nigga. But if this white person, somebody else.

[Ian Dunlap]

Said, yeah, like, now I got a problem with it. We, as a coach, as we have a lot of shit just within us that we got to kind of get some defined level of. Okay, how do we as a culture move before we start dictating to everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Else how to respect nuance, though?

[Ish]

And for the record, Parks doesn't say the end.

[Joe Budden]

I know y'all tried it a couple times. They do it a million times. But, yo, dog, I. I think that's unrealistic. I just think it's unrealistic. I just think that we have to accept the double standards for what they are.

[Mal]

Exactly. Hypocrisy is in life.

[Joe Budden]

It's in part of life.

[Ish]

Do we have, okay, black people tried to cancel shows? How would it affect him?

[Joe Budden]

It wouldn't go through the roof. It would affect him the opposite, actually.

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

All of us sitting up here doing this, there's people that might not have heard about it. A word.

[Ian Dunlap]

How would we cancel a man where we ain't even his demographic? Like, yeah, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

So we gotta get our money up to where our advertising dollars affect him.

[Mal]

It won't happen.

[Ish]

Or just take it, like, to be Real black people. We won't take a stance or partner together long enough to have an impact.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Ish]

That's the conversation we don't want to have.

[Joe Budden]

That's a real trouble.

[Ish]

Because you get too preachy. Cool. At the same time, Kendrick called Drake a pedophile for fucking five months. But the whole world got mad at a joke, okay?

[Joe Budden]

About a man, another man.

[Ish]

It's hypocritical.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good point.

[Ish]

So what do I know?

[Ian Dunlap]

I can't disagree with that.

[Joe Budden]

That's a great point.

[Ian Dunlap]

What?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You're gonna get pot out of the month.

[Ish]

And I. With Kendrick. I love Drake, but you turned this whole boy upside down over some personal that you got planned to do it, dog. What the are we talking about?

[Joe Budden]

That's true. That is exactly true. Hey, Drake, listen.

[Ish]

Come on, man.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't have to get there.

[Mal]

I don't think it was planning.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Keep going back to that. We got here because of you, buddy. Stop. We wasn't trying to get here. We don't have to get personal.

[Ish]

He said it on a record.

[Joe Budden]

It's a legend. I don't give a.

[Ish]

And they had a combo.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, like, this is the part that I really don't like about that. You went on, I'm so tired of talking about Kendrick and Drake. But you went on. Teller made using the Tupac AI and said, talk about him like in Young Girls. Okay, cool. I'm gonna talk about it now. You just didn't think it would blow up that way.

[Ish]

You did that shout out to the.

[Mal]

Boy at the end of the. At the end of the day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I know. I saw you. I saw you.

[Mal]

At the end of the day, the basketball court. We got it. The nigga asked him how to do it, leave family out of it, and he didn't. And whether it was a plot, whether it was a plan, whether he knew that he was gonna do it, accountability, whether he had this. It's just the setup is what the setup is. You guys think it's a plant? I don't think it's a plant. I just think it's just something. Obviously, I can see there's layers to it. There's layers, yes. I can see the layers that is presented. But I do understand what you're saying. And that was sort of Kendrick's point about pointing out people that may be culture vultures or not within, you know, not down with our culture. Whether he's right or whether he's wrong. You know what I mean? And we can't really say that about Drake, because Drake has been holding a culture on his back for so many years. So it's just. It's just. It's a preference at this point. And obviously something. It does look like Drake was railroaded when they show certain receipts. And it's unfortunate, but I.

[Joe Budden]

A thousand percent believe he was.

[Mal]

It's unfortunate, but, you know, we just.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna tell you, I believe so. Because he's been protected by that same label.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

For a while.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Like, you couldn't really diss Drake on certain records. Like Pusha T had a verse removed by Universal. They were calling in, getting things done.

[Mal]

Understood.

[Joe Budden]

So that you can't diss him. So now for somebody to diss me and y'all, pump the song, make it number one worldwide. It's play. There's something at play here. Okay, so I do get him.

[Melissa Ford]

Has there been any more, like, new developments on. On the petition?

[Joe Budden]

There's a date going around. I don't know how true it is, but I believe it's December 20th to hear the petition. So that's about it.

[Parks]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Melissa Ford]

Ian, we talked about this a lot, but since we got you here, did you have any thoughts on it, on the petition itself? What do you think the result is going to be? No, just very short form because he hasn't been here and he has a very unique point of view.

[Ish]

I'll be quick about this. I think a mistake. I've talked to some people in this camp and I'm. I'm worried for him, I'll say that.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Ish]

Very. Yeah, very worried. Settle fast. Both sides. Yeah, well, when you're suing for up to multiple billions of dollars. And y'all talked about it, but like, when The Chinese owns 20% of UMG and Bill Ackman, this is like layers, even a culture. Point, point. If we don't own any of the labels or media, what culture. Tencent owns the majority of the business. Biggest beneficiaries of the life.

[Mal]

They Chinese.

[Ish]

And for. To be suing for 2 and 3 billion. And knowing what that catalog is worth, man, it's some scary Michael Jackson, man, all over again. Not as big. And I know people clown that, but like, somebody in this camp was like, yo, that's it. If something happens to him. No, it wasn't. It was not accidental.

[Ian Dunlap]

I wanna move from it. But I said that pods, pods, pods ago.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Ian Dunlap]

I said, get out the game. This is your moment to get out.

[Ish]

Exit out the game.

[Ian Dunlap]

Exit out. We've seen it happen to People who had way more leverage, way more power.

[Ish]

Just stop me, Michael.

[Ian Dunlap]

I would hate to see that be your ending.

[Mal]

Got you.

[Parks]

That's dark.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's pretty dark. Sorry.

[Ish]

Yo. One of his homeboys is like, yo, if he goes in a boating accident, he don't even like being on boats. Pray for him. So first message, I was like, what? He like, this is deeper than.

[Mal]

Yeah, we gotta. Yeah, all right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we dealt with that. Yeah, we listen. We don't judge.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Mal]

Cam Newton is not marrying Jazzy.

[Ish]

Shout out to KO.

[Parks]

Hey.

[Ish]

Women say they want honesty to wake it up.

[Ian Dunlap]

Oh, nobody clapping.

[Ish]

Oh, just me and you.

[Ian Dunlap]

All right, my bad, my bad.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, like, shout out to Jazzy.

[Ish]

She's an amazing person.

[Ian Dunlap]

What's wrong with that?

[Mal]

I don't think there's nothing wrong with it, but a lot of people feel.

[Parks]

Like, what's the backstory here?

[Mal]

Jazzy?

[Melissa Ford]

Cam Newton.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, Jazzy.

[Melissa Ford]

What is currently. Well, shit. Okay. I don't know. His most recent child was born and the mother is Jasmine Brown, AKA Watch Jazzy on Instagram. And she was a well known comedian and influencer on Instagram. And then they got together and.

[Ish]

She'S in love.

[Melissa Ford]

She's in love. Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

They have a good thing going.

[Melissa Ford]

They have a thing going that apparently works for them. A lot of people, people have called her out for being a hypocrite, for shaming the type of woman that she seemingly has become. And so who was he interviewing when.

[Ian Dunlap]

He'S basically the Cheyenne Bryant lady. Listen, the doctor and Cheyenne Bryant lady came in. She said all that shit to him.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it was somebody different.

[Ian Dunlap]

I'm talking from at that moment. The initial one, the initial interview started where she came in saying all that shit, thinking it was supposed to have an effect on how he moved in his household and thinking that the woman that he was with at the time was gonna be affected by that. She came out and made the statement clear. Me and him talk. I know how he lives. I know what he's into. I'm fine with that. It seems like ever since then, everyone's trying to convince her to be anything different.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody, everybody's mad and offended for her.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think that Dr. Bryant was trying to make him do or say or be trying anything.

[Ian Dunlap]

She was saying she was trying to shame.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think she asked her. He asked her pointed questions and she answered him. Just like Nick asked her questions when she went on his show and she answered him.

[Ian Dunlap]

That lady a fraud. But we'll get to that another time.

[Mal]

Yeah. Do you feel like. Watch Jazzy put her career to the back burner for Cam Newton?

[Melissa Ford]

By all appearances. By all appearances, yes. Do I know that for a fact? No.

[Mal]

What was her career?

[Melissa Ford]

I just said she was a very, very, very, very, very successful influencer. She had like, campaigns with Savage Fenty and whatnot. She was on the road. She had, you know, tours and shit like that. She was a comedian. So she was successful.

[Ish]

When she caught Cam was a better investment. I'm not speaking on her business. I love her.

[Melissa Ford]

That is not for me to decide. I don't know what. I don't know what their circumstances are. I don't know. I do not know what her bank account looks like because she's with him. I have no clue. No, you cannot. You can't make that assumption.

[Mal]

Why not?

[Melissa Ford]

You can't make that assumption.

[Ish]

Happy and in love.

[Melissa Ford]

She looks happy and in love.

[Mal]

Do some women leave?

[Melissa Ford]

But, but, but the question that you asked me, this might be where she was in life, where she wanted to slow down and have a baby. And she met a man that she fell in love with and this is what her choice was. So I cannot say that she derailed her own career because this might be part of her plan. I don't know.

[Mal]

And you 100% support her in that?

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, what she eat. Don't make me shit. Hey, you like it? I love it.

[Mal]

Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not the decisions I would make for myself.

[Mal]

How do you feel about him not married?

[Joe Budden]

You wouldn't make those decisions.

[Melissa Ford]

I. I clearly did not.

[Mal]

She had a lot of opportunities. She didn't. That's male.

[Joe Budden]

What's that?

[Melissa Ford]

I did.

[Mal]

She did. She burst out of that. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not.

[Mal]

We got a grown up conversation.

[Joe Budden]

We got a grown up conversation.

[Mal]

So you lock metal the basement.

[Joe Budden]

You wouldn't trade in your career for happiness.

[Melissa Ford]

That's an assumption that I'm not currently happy. And that's an assumption that I don't really try to live with any level of regret. So looking back at, you know, making an alternate choice and it resulting in happiness is literally something that nobody could actually answer. It just, you know, her choices, I would never make them. I've had the opportunity in front of me and I did not take it because that, to me, did not look like happiness. Didn't look like happiness. It was definitely not my. It was not for my. It was not my path.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so if your definition of happiness was, let's say, sitting at home painting. Right. Sitting at home Painting all day. And you were able to leave your career for that, would you do it?

[Melissa Ford]

I think. I think the vast majority of us are doing shit to pay our fucking bills, but what we'd really like to be doing doesn't pay our fucking bills. So that has nothing. So whether it's a relationship, falling in love, getting the 2.5 kids and the white picket fence and the fucking mate that loves you, maybe that's a version or fucking, I don't know, raking leaves in fucking Central park, whatever. Yes, there's definitely things I would like to be on a yacht, being fucking fanned by niggas in speedos with fucking fig leaves and feeding me fucking cherries. That is what I'd like to be doing right now.

[Joe Budden]

So that would be your definition of happiness?

[Melissa Ford]

Literally? I'm just trying to be funny. Oh, I'm literally trying to be funny. I dare anybody to say that if they were, that they would not be very happy right now on a yacht on the. In the South.

[Joe Budden]

If you could do that and have your bills paid, would you do it? Would you do it?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, probably.

[Joe Budden]

So my original question was, whatever your version of happiness is, would you give your career up for that? Whatever that thing may be again, for you? It could be, yo, I'm going to get a farm in Montana for ice. It could be, I'm going to watch my daughter get raised and play video games and do whatever the fuck parks. It could be, y'all, I want to do podcasts, and I just want to sit in the studio with the greatest of the greatest musicians in the world and do that.

[Ian Dunlap]

The scariest part, not. Because the scariest part about that is if you're able to achieve that on your own, that's one thing. But to have to rely on someone else giving you that, totally different is totally different, because that can be snatched away. So I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't want that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

Because I'm never gonna really be. Because I'm gonna always be wondering when at some point could the rock could.

[Joe Budden]

Potentially be snatched from.

[Ian Dunlap]

And in that situation, Cam has already made it clear I'm not willing to commit on that level. So this might be happiness for her now, where I got the guy who can take care of everything. Boom, boom. We gotta kiss him when he don't.

[Joe Budden]

Want to no more. But what happens when all the money run out?

[Ian Dunlap]

You know what I'm saying? So for me, when I hear people say that, yo, I want to be on a. You know, I know you joking About N. S feeding you cherries and all that, but.

[Joe Budden]

No, she mean that.

[Ish]

No, she mean that part.

[Joe Budden]

She mean that part. She one, two. Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

I would like to be. I would like to be on the yacht, you know, getting fed. Great spot of.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just. I just.

[Parks]

Speedos.

[Joe Budden]

Who buff with Speedos on you. Sing to them.

[Ian Dunlap]

Chill out, Stop. But at a certain point, I would.

[Mal]

Be laying there.

[Parks]

BD remix, nasty people.

[Joe Budden]

That's what it's about. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

You my dog. I with you.

[Mal]

My bad.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yo, listen. Stop, stop, stop.

[Mal]

At some point, you going to be singing Little Mermaid a part of your world.

[Joe Budden]

No wonder you division. Schultz.

[Mal]

Oh, Schultz, I'm coming up there.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

You had a record called ATL up there.

[Mal]

Oh, we not here to judge, gang.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah, gang, stop, stop.

[Mal]

We not here to judge.

[Ish]

Your body, your choice.

[Ian Dunlap]

Stop.

[Mal]

Guys, we're not here to judge you. If you want to feed you cherries and Speedos, what's the game?

[Joe Budden]

We listen and don't judge.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Ian Dunlap]

By the pants you wearing, you might be the that want them to feed you.

[Mal]

Listen, listen. Not me. I don't wanna be on it yet. I'm afraid of water.

[Ian Dunlap]

Me, too.

[Mal]

I'm afraid of water.

[Ian Dunlap]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

Carlito.

[Ian Dunlap]

All I'm saying as example, at a certain point, all that shit that you do in at leisure time of you being happy, at a certain point, that becomes redundant. At a certain point, you wanna do something else. The biggest thing that I felt success and happiness in is actually being challenged every day to do some shit that I'm not used to doing.

[Mal]

Don't get.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yo, I told you that.

[Mal]

Yo, I let y'all joke too much. That's the problem.

[Ian Dunlap]

One day I'm gonna come up here.

[Joe Budden]

Nah.

[Ian Dunlap]

But at a certain point in life and achieving things, and your real happiness is being able to do those things for yourself. So no matter how much he may give her, how many babies he can give her, how much he may be able to put in her pocket, happiness has to look like what it looks like for her. And everything ain't always a matter of being put on a plateau to say, here, go do it. Some people want to be able to say, I did that shit on my own.

[Ish]

I did it on my own.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean, it's relative. Some people, you know, she pushed out the babies, so that's my ticket to the happiness. Like, I was just. I was trying to take it off, like, off of her. Like, everybody's level of happiness is different. You know what I'm saying, and if me, I ain't have to work no more, and I could go do whatever the fuck I wanted to go do, that I saw as happiness. If I sit in the house and play chess every day against some of the best in the world, and I looked at that as being happy, that's what my version of happiness is.

[Ian Dunlap]

See, if I take. If I take flip, let's just say I take flip, right?

[Parks]

I didn't know that was your passion.

[Ian Dunlap]

But let's just say I take flip.

[Mal]

For example.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on. Can I see the bottom of your sneaker again?

[Mal]

You got on it.

[Joe Budden]

No, this got a bullet in his sneakers, son.

[Mal]

You like bullet for.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what I have on my shoes?

[Mal]

Lift up the bottom of your shoe.

[Ish]

You got a bullet on the bottom of your shoe.

[Mal]

You got a bullet.

[Ish]

Take your shoe off your. Yo, come on.

[Mal]

Come on. I hate when you do this.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead. Yo, dog. Get away from me. Hey, yo, get.

[Melissa Ford]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe Budden]

Look, that's.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Who got on they shoe flip? I'm not. You ain.

[Mal]

Yo, the glued. Hold on. He tried to keep his shoe together. You went to the. What's the that do? You went to the old. You taking this white a little bit too far. You went to the old white man that fixed the shoe and he hammered it in. Fix your.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Mal]

I thought that was. I'm like, damn, who got on a shoe at 47? You got pee bottles in your car.

[Joe Budden]

Look, they gonna think he telling the truth.

[Ian Dunlap]

I thought you saw the truth.

[Parks]

I thought he was too.

[Joe Budden]

I definitely thought you're. You be busy. Some houses you building don't have working toilets yet.

[Mal]

Yeah, you put toilets inside.

[Joe Budden]

Or you can piss in a bottle.

[Ish]

Or if you're stuck in traffic and.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna just leave them in there, I'm a piss at a whole bunch of bottles in traffic just waiting to go get that part of the bridge.

[Parks]

Where they all throw theirs.

[Mal]

You gotta check your pancreas.

[Joe Budden]

What.

[Mal]

Whatever that is. Your prostate, whatever that is.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, yo, dog, reading is fundamental.

[Mal]

He went to college. I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

No, he got books.

[Mal]

You just. Yeah, he got books.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Mal]

I don't give a. What this nigga say. He's crazy. But what I'm saying is that I went in your car. You gotta. Yeah, you crazy. Just like ish. I went in this car. He got a thousand bottles in there. He'll tell you. Am I lying about that? He's not.

[Joe Budden]

Line.

[Mal]

Okay? You spilled pee coffee on my pants and you promised to pay for the dry Cleaning bill. And you didn't. Let's talk about like that. When a coffee, that was nasty. He said, oh, I'm sorry. He tried to wipe away. He tried to wipe him down.

[Ian Dunlap]

Wait, you being in a paper cup joint.

[Mal]

Yo, it was all. It was old coffee, but he tried to wipe me off. Yo, yo, you did. He was a gentleman.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he wasn't rough with it.

[Mal]

Give me the, man.

[Joe Budden]

He was off with it now.

[Mal]

He was a Kleenex.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it wasn't good with the Kleenex.

[Mal]

It wasn't good. It's not good at all, man.

[Ish]

But any of the fellas. Would you give up your career for love and be a stay at home?

[Mal]

No, no, no, no. Love don't pay the bills.

[Joe Budden]

No, but if you would, you would.

[Ish]

Come on, let's talk. Me and you.

[Joe Budden]

Would I? Absolutely I would.

[Ish]

J. Lo come back, you take care of you, you stay home.

[Joe Budden]

It would have to be provisions in there for pre dub or whatever.

[Parks]

The opposite of a predominant.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying this, I make my own bread. So let's just say hypothetically, I ran into a woman that was.

[Mal]

Up, up, up, up, J.

[Joe Budden]

Lo, anybody that I fell in love. Say J. Lo, though. All right, Jennifer Lopez. If I fell in love with Jennifer Lopez personality, all that other shit, and I was single and I was fucking with her like that, that would I stay home and be.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, you gotta be in love.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you ain't right. Yeah, but bigger than that, I'ma still be doing what I'm doing from home. I'ma still be. That's what makes me happy. No, we know, E. No love needed. No.

[Mal]

No, I agree with. I agree with E. Like, if you sit there like, we can give up our careers and like that and be there for love, but then you become. If you become dependent. Dependent, but not only dependent, you become stagnant. Stagnant. And yeah, she gonna swap.

[Joe Budden]

Word.

[Mal]

I'm looking for. I'm looking for what?

[Joe Budden]

She gonna swap me out.

[Mal]

But look, look, look, you become.

[Ish]

You can't stay home and do nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna be 14 buildings up when she swapped.

[Ian Dunlap]

I don't believe nobody in here would do that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Ian Dunlap]

I believe everybody in here. Everybody in here, if they had 20 million in their wallet, I mean, in an account, whatever. I think everyone has shown that big wallet. I think everyone here has shown.

[Mal]

Yeah, you become.

[Ian Dunlap]

You want to achieve shit.

[Mal]

You become complacent.

[Ish]

Complacent.

[Ian Dunlap]

I was trying to use that as an example. I see you as someone where no matter how Much money you getting. You always trying to do some next shit. You look like you enjoy doing what you're doing.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

So in those spaces, I don't see you getting 20 million tomorrow and then saying, I got 20 million.

[Joe Budden]

I'm good. I'm chilling.

[Mal]

Yeah, I can't do that.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think anybody up here is showcasing.

[Joe Budden]

What's your stance? No.

[Mal]

Oh, what Oh, I think Mel thinks.

[Joe Budden]

Like me on this. And ice. Have you had 20 mil?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Bye.

[Melissa Ford]

You still working in a different way?

[Ish]

Yeah, she's working.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she's working. I'm agreeing with that.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But I ain't going to be.

[Ish]

I'm j.

[Joe Budden]

At that point.

[Mal]

My money's working for me.

[Joe Budden]

Guess what I'm going to be having. My money's working for me. A Customs. Keep going like this.

[Mal]

A wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Joe Budden]

The. At customs when he stamping the passport.

[Mal]

Why you going right there?

[Joe Budden]

Why you right here? My bad.

[Mal]

You hung like a horse.

[Ish]

That's how you got to stay home.

[Mal]

You got a stamp like this, dummy. Not like this, like you getting face off stamp.

[Joe Budden]

That's not how they stamp.

[Mal]

Oh, it's another stamp. Oh, the other stamp, the flat stamp.

[Joe Budden]

They push the thing down with their palm. It's up right, bro.

[Mal]

Now we know how some of the Caribbean's got the shit to look. Do you tell them they got the shitload. They got to sit you hole like this.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do it.

[Melissa Ford]

It both.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, good.

[Melissa Ford]

It's both. I know the. When you go through the Caribbean islands, they got like this, you know.

[Joe Budden]

But when you really travel.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, that little.

[Joe Budden]

That little island you go through, they got that. They got that over there.

[Mal]

They got a little. Okay, okay, I got.

[Joe Budden]

I get off the airplane, got to walk in the airport outside in 100 degree.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I was.

[Mal]

I did that. Oh, you had walked out the airplane outside your chair.

[Joe Budden]

That was.

[Ian Dunlap]

No, that's what you would.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Wait, wait, wait.

[Mal]

You trying to say we don't have airports? Huh? Yo, you one of them. You the Andrew. You the Andrew Schultz of the construction company? Nigga, you the Andrew Schultz of that? You being around mad Jamaicans and cut their ass. Stop, stop, bro.

[Joe Budden]

They're my yard brothers.

[Mal]

They're not your brothers. Some of them work for you and reached out to me. They said, you cool and you tip, but you be talking bullshit. Yo, let me get some cocoa bread.

[Ian Dunlap]

Or you talking some bullshit, bringing Guinness and all that.

[Mal]

Yeah, I heard.

[Ian Dunlap]

I heard about you, too.

[Joe Budden]

I know you did.

[Mal]

I did, yeah. You don't think that's. You don't think that there should be some sort of a. I guess it's comfortability, right? If you're around somebody and.

[Joe Budden]

No, I just think that if I was.

[Mal]

I'm comfortable with Paul, so I'll crack a joke. But I'm a hypocrite. Probably wouldn't try to crack a joke with me. Cause he's respectful. But I have heard white people crack black jokes and shit like that. And I look at them like. But I could do it. I don't know, dog.

[Joe Budden]

I got workers that work for me. They crack on. Black people.

[Mal]

People over White?

[Joe Budden]

No, not white. I don't have no.

[Ish]

Wait, wait.

[Ian Dunlap]

What are they?

[Joe Budden]

I don't even think I got no white workers.

[Ish]

Discriminate.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mal]

You can't afford the top notch workers, right?

[Joe Budden]

Who says that?

[Mal]

Who said they're asking him.

[Joe Budden]

So you saying white is better?

[Mal]

I feel Jamaicans do the best work.

[Joe Budden]

So why. So why you say, yo, you can't afford them.

[Mal]

How you feel about white?

[Joe Budden]

So what if he got the top notch, then? If he got the Jamaicans.

[Mal]

All right, good. Salute.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, fix it up.

[Mal]

Go ahead, dress it up. I think Jamaicans are the best workers.

[Joe Budden]

Dress it up.

[Mal]

Jamaicans. And you know the other ones. What's the other one?

[Joe Budden]

What's the other ones?

[Ish]

We don't know. Get canceled if you want to. Don't do it.

[Mal]

Start with M. Right? They're related to you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm the other side.

[Mal]

I'm the other side.

[Joe Budden]

They was hard.

[Mal]

They was hard.

[Joe Budden]

It's not true. Oh, man. Anyway, they don't work.

[Mal]

Who don't work hard?

[Joe Budden]

It's not true, man?

[Mal]

You guys. You guys. You see, you guys got problems with the migrants. That's why y'all saying that. But who don't work hard? Nigga, I don't know what you talking about. The Mexicans work hard. They do extremely hard. Jamaicans work hard. Everybody works hard. But we talking about this specific group of people. Mexicano. Work hard, nigga, for hours with their hands. No breaks. Hey, yo, take all this whole shit down. See, yo, Fuck.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, rappy, though. Yo. Is that what you think?

[Mal]

Yeah. Number one lunch.

[Joe Budden]

Is that what you think?

[Mal]

You offer them lunch? It's like a million dollars. I can't. Hey, park. Say that.

[Joe Budden]

You hear your man? That's your man. That's your man. That's not true. Yo, Parks.

[Mal]

No. Mexican people work hard. So tell me. You keep saying this. Tell me why am I wrong?

[Joe Budden]

I'm just letting you talk. Everybody works hard. I think once you get complacent and you get comfortable, then you're.

[Mal]

Have you. Have you ever found a complacent Mexican?

[Joe Budden]

Finish dog, your work ethic dies down. So they come here. A lot of people come here from other countries. They bust their ass when they first get here, and then the lazy Americanism sits, sets in and out of niggas is doing the same exact bullshit that everybody else does.

[Ian Dunlap]

Who do you mainly hire? Like.

[Joe Budden]

Like, if you see, I had to go by ethnicity.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, like. Like, what's been, like, the norm of the West?

[Joe Budden]

Indian people for the most part, and then a bunch of South American people. Some portion, but for the most part, Western. I try to. For all intents and purposes, all jokes aside, I try to keep it as black as I can.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, Ish. I saw a drunk Mexican. I saw a tired Mexican. I saw a hungry Mexican. I saw a thirsty Mexican, but I never saw a lazy Mexican at all. I know. No, I didn't see it.

[Ian Dunlap]

We had that whole conversation about show.

[Mal]

I didn't see it later. I'm sorry. I'm not just. No, I'm giving them credit because they take pride into their work. They take pride in their work. Regardless of what you want to say, what you're not. One person could do a whole garden by themselves. They can. They can.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, something wrong.

[Mal]

One person could do a whole room by themselves, and they won't take any breaks because they. They are proud of the work they do.

[Ish]

They may come off as offensive. Well, hey, lo siento po favor.

[Mal]

You think you Mexican now?

[Joe Budden]

Nah.

[Mal]

Yeah, shout out to your people's gun. I'm down with.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

I'm down crazy, yo.

[Mal]

Send it with some Jamaicans right when they first come here. They got to work and they want to get to it. They want to send money back home, they want to send barrels back home. They want to build the crib back home. Them work hard. No breaks or nothing. They play they Bob Marley music in the stereo, and they get it done. I seen it. Yeah. My man right now doing the studio right now. No breaks. He took the shit down fixing the studio, then went and did another job for 700 and came back, nigga, no lunch break. He lied and said he's going for lunch. That's the shit they do. Jamaican. 30 minutes, plastered and paint somewhere. He showed me the pictures, flexing. I'm like, yo, Ian.

[Ian Dunlap]

Drove, park, did the whole shit.

[Mal]

That's What I'm. What I'm saying is that I agree with Ish. When people first come here, first of all, they look at Americans like we're lazy.

[Ish]

Americans are.

[Mal]

And a lot of times we complain about the jobs that they take.

[Ian Dunlap]

We are.

[Mal]

We complain about the migrants or people, the immigrants or whomever taking our jobs. But we don't want the job.

[Joe Budden]

We don't want that.

[Mal]

We're not doing this. We're not going outside to do the bricks. We're not going outside to clean. Well, some of the people. We'll do it.

[Joe Budden]

We're not doing it for the amount.

[Parks]

For that rate.

[Joe Budden]

That's what it is. We'll do it.

[Mal]

We charge. Right.

[Joe Budden]

Overcharge. You can't even make no money. Like, you know what? Now, mama, go over here. Where's.

[Mal]

Is capitalism really bad? It's not.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they got.

[Ish]

We got another capitalist. But is it good?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

But that's not cap. We added a word to it.

[Parks]

We just go.

[Joe Budden]

Capitalism.

[Ish]

That's how. That's where operates.

[Mal]

Pause. You don't need help. Box.

[Joe Budden]

Greed and capitalism aren't synonymous.

[Parks]

I do.

[Ish]

You said they are not.

[Joe Budden]

They are not.

[Ish]

They always have been.

[Joe Budden]

They are not.

[Ish]

Country was built upon greed. Greedy capitalism.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Ian Dunlap]

The concept itself is.

[Joe Budden]

It's not based in greed. The concept is not based in greed.

[Ish]

You want to talk textbook or what's actually textbook? We aren't living in a textbook world.

[Joe Budden]

I know. So what I'm saying is the textbook definition of capitalism. Somebody could be a capitalist and not be greedy. And you can succeed and not be greedy.

[Ian Dunlap]

Can we get the definition of capitalism?

[Joe Budden]

I'm about capitalism.

[Mal]

Mel, got it. Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Mel.

[Ian Dunlap]

Got it.

[Ish]

Come on.

[Melissa Ford]

Capitalism is an economic system where private individuals or organizations own the means of production and the prices of goods and services are determined by supply and demand. In a free market. In a capitalist society or system, the government has a limited role protecting the rights of private citizens and maintaining an orderly environment for market markets to function.

[Ish]

Emphasis on free market, which. There is no such thing as fake rights.

[Joe Budden]

True. So then we. We don't live in the textbook definition of capitalism. No, we do and we don't. One more.

[Melissa Ford]

One more thing. Capitalist economies are known for their. For their dynamic. Dynamic.

[Joe Budden]

Sound it out. Use your finger.

[Ian Dunlap]

I think.

[Melissa Ford]

Dynamism. Oh, yeah. And innovations. But they can also be unstable and generate financial crisis, job insecurity and failures to include the disadvantaged.

[Ish]

By design. In order for capitalism to work, you need 85% of the people in a country or state. To fail. Shout out to blackrock and Vanguard.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I do for a living, though.

[Ish]

This is what I do. This is truth, though.

[Joe Budden]

No, I think that. I think that theoretically capitalism can work. I think that just when you introduce it into humans and emotions come into play. It's like saying all of us have a job, right? Could we all get more money here? Possibly, but that's not necessarily the. If you gonna work for a wage.

[Mal]

Be careful what you say.

[Joe Budden]

If I tell flip, yo do XYZ for a day, I'm gonna give you $100 for the day. Could I afford to pay flip 150? Yes, I might be able to afford to pay for flip 150.

[Ian Dunlap]

So you think Flip is a Mexican? Oh, my bad.

[Joe Budden]

They don't work for 100 a day, you racist. Yo, listen, anyway.

[Ian Dunlap]

Hey, listen, my oldest son is half Mexican. I can make that joke.

[Mal]

They know their value.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, sure, yeah, yeah. They don't. They ain't cheap no more.

[Mal]

They know their value.

[Joe Budden]

Pull up at right. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. You tell me. So. So I could. I could afford to pay flip $200 a day. I could have. Might be able to afford to play flip $300 a day, but I'm paying flip $100 a day.

[Parks]

And if he's willing to work for.

[Joe Budden]

It, and if he's willing to work for $100 a day, then. And that is the market now, that is being set. Whatever Flip skill sets are. The median price for those skill sets is $100 a day. That is being set by somebody not outside of me. That is being set by a market. That's what a free market he's talking about. It's kind of fake. But could I pay him 300? Yeah. I don't. Cause he ain't ask for $300 a day. Now if he asked for 300, boom. Now it's my choice whether I think his skill sets are capable of getting 300 or somebody else with his same exact skill sets might work for a buck and a quarter. This is the real life, real world that we live in.

[Ish]

If you know he's worth 300. This the whole Drake. What's the value of a stream?

[Mal]

True.

[Ish]

Why does title.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not the. That's the difference. Oh, love for this lovely.

[Ish]

How's the difference?

[Joe Budden]

Because the streams are not necessarily being quantified correctly. The streams are.

[Ish]

They have been. The data hasn't been given to the public.

[Joe Budden]

My point, okay, so Flip can go around the market and get the market Price for what his skill sets allow. A rapper or another nigga can't necessarily have the information given to them about what their worth is. That's why Meek Mill said, yo, he took forever to find out what he made off of a song because that information is just not privy to them. Flip could go around and ask the other dudes in his industry, yo, what you getting a day? What you getting a day? What you getting a day like that.

[Ish]

But if you're willing to pay him 100 when you know it's worth 3.

[Joe Budden]

Who said it's worth 3? The market dictates what he's worth.

[Ish]

Who dictates the market?

[Joe Budden]

And that's why I said it's fake. The market is the general consensus of what a producer or engineer makes aspire.

[Ish]

To drive the price down as a greedy capitalist or up. So I'm talking about the not individual members. I'm talking about the macroeconomic societal framework that depresses majority like even a financial crisis, which is like my favorite time to invest.

[Ian Dunlap]

Those are get them low.

[Ish]

Done. If I made you, please put yes in chat.

[Mal]

By design.

[Joe Budden]

It's done by design. We're in on that. I'm talking about theoretically, the people that are oppressing everybody. They don't have to do that. That is greed that makes them do that. Like, yo, we already got 20 billion. We want 40 billion.

[Parks]

Well, the problem is that the.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we don't want to be complacent.

[Parks]

The caveat in the capitalism about being checked by the government does not really work.

[Joe Budden]

The government of capitalism especially. Yeah, because no, you know why? Because when I go to 40 million, I'm a pay parks that sits on this board that's supposed to check me. And I'm a pay part to not check. Theoretically, the shit ain't as. It's the greed when the emotions and the people get into it that make that happen for sure. That's. Stop trying to crack me. Yo.

[Ish]

Put your muffin shit away today.

[Joe Budden]

I'm here, my baby.

[Mal]

We always open, yo, but you ain't.

[Ish]

Turn the stove on.

[Mal]

You my man.

[Ish]

You my guy.

[Mal]

You my man. I definitely want to do that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, so when somebody is at as. As intelligent as you, you, you, you he cowards. Stalemate. Not a healthy coward. Stalemate. But if it was me, you try to like either me or crack my muffin.

[Joe Budden]

He made valid points. I made valid points.

[Mal]

We can't you say that. Chicky nuggy. Say it to him.

[Ish]

Chicky nuggy.

[Joe Budden]

He eats s. Come on. That's my you don't eat well done steaks.

[Mal]

Listen, enough with that French fry. You know that's an insult though. Like when I go home and think it is like you talk about Mel being a bully. You a bully.

[Joe Budden]

I'm far from.

[Mal]

When I go home and think about like how you be like french fry everything I say, you don't. Instead of helping me, like my.

[Joe Budden]

You know how much shit you say.

[Mal]

To me about your intellect, about anything. Because anything I say to you is just made out the air. It's not something that you lack in.

[Joe Budden]

You just told people I pissed in.

[Mal]

Cups, bottles in your car.

[Joe Budden]

You are lying.

[Mal]

But how much bottles you got in your car right now? Real nigga. Cause you ain't gonna lie to me.

[Joe Budden]

Seven to eight.

[Mal]

Seven to eight bottles on the floor.

[Joe Budden]

Empty bottles. Not with piss in them.

[Mal]

Why the won't you recycle them?

[Joe Budden]

I don't like littering. Be all jokes aside, that's what I recycle. So I just throw it on and.

[Ish]

I'm recycling the pee.

[Joe Budden]

That's why they pee. That's why you pee in a bottle. You don't want litter. You keep it in the car.

[Parks]

Reduce, reuse, recycle.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Littering, it's pissing.

[Mal]

That turn pack a little trafficky too.

[Joe Budden]

No, it does the shoulder right?

[Mal]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

Is wrong with you.

[Mal]

Yo. I know, Ethan.

[Ish]

Yo, music question. Is Freddie Gibbs rapping better than JJ. Cole in 2024?

[Ian Dunlap]

I've seen you post that.

[Parks]

No, but Freddie Gibbs is amazing.

[Joe Budden]

No, that album ain't bad.

[Parks]

No, it's very album.

[Ish]

Freddy went crazy.

[Joe Budden]

He went crazy on that album, dog.

[Parks]

But I don't think he raps better than Jake.

[Joe Budden]

He's not rapping better than Nicole. J. Cole is a straight.

[Parks]

With all due respect, he's great.

[Joe Budden]

No, he went crazy. He's crazy, but he's great.

[Ian Dunlap]

You're saying just in this year?

[Ish]

Just this year. Not overall.

[Ian Dunlap]

Not saying overall. Just saying this 20, 24. 20.

[Ish]

Because they did business versus my delete later. You say still no.

[Parks]

That with daylight in them is oh, he went crazy.

[Ian Dunlap]

We talked about consistently for a whole year in the prop. I'm not gonna lie.

[Joe Budden]

It's a.

[Ian Dunlap]

It's a good conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Conversation.

[Ian Dunlap]

Gibbs has been consistent.

[Ish]

Been going. His projects have been fire that 30 girlfriend. Oh boy.

[Joe Budden]

Cole been consistent. Just outside of the one little apology joint. He dropped the project and it was consistent. Wrapping out of 12 months.

[Ian Dunlap]

Was his project better than anything Gibbs dropped this year?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

You don't think so? No, I think. I think Gibbs was Better, I think.

[Parks]

I think Mike Delete later is tiedish with the Gibbs project.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think they're neck and neck.

[Parks]

They're neck and neck. The 8ish or so songs that I love I might delete later are super Duper fire. There's just a couple. There's some duds on there.

[Joe Budden]

Gibbs was just.

[Parks]

Gibbs is solid all the way through.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, all the way through.

[Parks]

But there wasn't as many. The highs weren't as high to me as.

[Ian Dunlap]

I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it. You want a definitive answer?

[Parks]

Yeah, I don't think so. I love both of them.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

I'm going with Gibbs this year.

[Joe Budden]

I might have to too. Sorry.

[Ian Dunlap]

When I look love J. Cole, but when I start lining up the projects.

[Joe Budden]

Song for song, verse for verse, I might have to.

[Parks]

I don't think either answer is particularly wrong. I just feel like Cole has been.

[Ish]

I forgot about the daylight verse.

[Ian Dunlap]

Overall.

[Parks]

Stupid.

[Mal]

Overall.

[Ian Dunlap]

I would never go at.

[Ish]

Yeah. Never shout to.

[Ian Dunlap]

But Gibbs had an amazing year.

[Parks]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

He did.

[Ish]

Underrated.

[Mal]

Is there anything else in music?

[Parks]

It was a quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet week. I don't know if I downloaded the album.

[Ish]

Me either.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

I said he thinks that time of.

[Parks]

Year we're not going to get until.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody chilling right now.

[Parks]

You gonna get some Christmas albums.

[Mal]

Ever since Drake but Lost two been falling back. Just. Just seeing what. Seeing what's happening next.

[Parks]

Well, no, I don't. I don't think maybe in one case Ice was telling me about all one in particular.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

But why isn't music selling as well like I've seen some artists do?

[Joe Budden]

15 streams should be trash. I think for the most part. Part I don't think the goal is the shift has been away from selling.

[Ish]

Albums but we see a mainstream artist do 9050 people don't make albums.

[Joe Budden]

They're not making albums for long consumption no more. Get you three or four records that's gonna go on this playlist and that's what we living off of.

[Parks]

There's been some albums that sold well this year. Kendrick did what about 62nd year. Tyler.

[Ish]

Tyler been cooking.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah but look at those. Those are.

[Parks]

But we're talking about those outliers albums.

[Ian Dunlap]

What I'm talking about the construction of those albums are really thought out their themes.

[Joe Budden]

These are the artists.

[Ian Dunlap]

These are artists who really push the envelope in making projects.

[Joe Budden]

Majority of the field are making songs to get put on playlists to last for a couple weeks and they coming back doing it again.

[Parks]

A majority artists are not even if they're not specifically targeting playlists or radio. They're not necessarily putting their all into it because it doesn't return the value. I'm not gonna spend two years fucking obsessing over every little noise and every little canes I use my rap when this shit is gonna disappear into spending.

[Joe Budden]

All these money for these fucking engineers to make sound crazy.

[Ian Dunlap]

Like that though. I don't like that. Because if you look at Doshi right.

[Joe Budden]

Mm.

[Ian Dunlap]

Very new artists.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Album nominated as new.

[Mal]

Easy to do.

[Parks]

Easy to do that when it's your first.

[Ian Dunlap]

I get that. But if you listen to her, she. She talks about how she created that project and all that stuff. Nothing about her album plays like a playlist. Even though every song doesn't tie into each other. It still sounds like a thought out project though.

[Joe Budden]

She's tde. She got a push different. They don't do that over there. They subscribe to artistry. TDE as a whole, nobody from TDE puts out quick consumption playlist music.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. They don't allow it.

[Ian Dunlap]

I don't like. I don't like that.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get me wrong.

[Ian Dunlap]

Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I do think that TDE 100% wants you to do that. But when you listen to certain people speak, I don't ever think that she came into the game thinking she was gonna be like everybody else, creating projects, playlist and shit. She seems like. It seems like she's the artist and all they're following behind. They get these type of artists because that's what they want. But I don't wanna go ahead and make it seem like it's a TDE thing that very much to me.

[Mal]

So.

[Joe Budden]

She might have never got picked up by another label that wasn't focused on artists.

[Ish]

They have built that artistic.

[Joe Budden]

Them niggas are. They don't play that over there. So quality matters. You gotta be. If you chasing a quick joint, this ain't okay.

[Ian Dunlap]

Okay. So if so. All right, cool. So let's just say if people are seeing that formula work right, because it's working even to this, even to Absol's project, it might not be doing a numbers.

[Joe Budden]

They're not chasing numbers.

[Ian Dunlap]

But it's having the influence and people are really responding to it.

[Joe Budden]

Correct.

[Ian Dunlap]

Why won't other artists follow the same route?

[Joe Budden]

Because follow to a lady. Yeah. Not just that. I need the different bro. I gotta pay the bills. Yeah, yeah. You know, we had reasons. Sit up here. We've had where he was like Yo, I got like, yo, dog, I need to get this out. Y'all are stopping me from getting this out. I need the tour. I got. Yeah, yeah. He said that everybody can't wait the five years to put out a project and all right. Trust in the. Believe the system. And everybody can't do that. Some people are, yo, I need to hit now. And we need to get this out. We need to get this out. We need to get this out. Because now I can get the road now. Now I can sell some merch. Now I could do this. Now I could do this. I need to live outside with my music. And a bunch of the labels want money.

[Parks]

That too.

[Joe Budden]

They don't give a fuck about your artistry. N go ahead and be artistry over there. We need such and such over here.

[Ian Dunlap]

I guess the conversation changes for me because at that point, then I'm just thinking short term versus long term. When you get into the game, really trying to be in the game. And yeah, you might get those one couple of records, boom, boom, boom. But you know, eventually that's going to fizzle out, like.

[Joe Budden]

Which is why a lot of people today are using now. I want to go hip hop thing. I want to go stepping. I want to get here, get hot. Yeah. And now pop off over here.

[Mal]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

I went and got a deal here. I got this. I'm in a movie here. I got xyz.

[Ian Dunlap]

Well, that goes.

[Joe Budden]

Because that ain't no music.

[Ian Dunlap]

That goes back to Ian's initial question of why aren't out? Because people aren't really in this shit for the actual music aspect. Yeah, that's the larger part. No one wants to actually be an artist and anymore.

[Joe Budden]

And the fans aren't demanding that.

[Parks]

That's true, too.

[Joe Budden]

We just had J. Cole, who was arguably number one, Right.

[Parks]

He's up there.

[Joe Budden]

He's up there. He's in a different stratosphere.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Jay Z walked over to Drake and said, yo, by the way.

[Parks]

Well, this was 10 years ago.

[Mal]

That was 15 years ago. Yeah. That's not.

[Joe Budden]

He was an artist 10 years ago.

[Parks]

Huh.

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't chasing numbers. He wasn't chasing. Whatever the case is hit. Yo, get him one.

[Ian Dunlap]

He needed.

[Parks]

He needed it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Ish]

It's power.

[Joe Budden]

He was chasing.

[Parks]

He was chasing the hit.

[Joe Budden]

Why did he need it?

[Ian Dunlap]

To expose people to the larger body that he was creating. Not just because we need to get some money off of him, but we need to expand his. We need to expand his reach. And the best way to expand his reach is by getting a hit to Attract people to actually listening to the album, bro.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people look at it like this. If I'm a chef and yes, I could whip up some incredible shit that takes me a long time, but if I could just do some quick minute bullshit, and y'all are gonna eat it and still a bunch of chicken nugget points. I'm going with the cheese. I'm gonna go this easier route. Cool. And I'm just gonna keep selling y'all this.

[Ian Dunlap]

That sounds like a restaurant that's open for about five, six months until people realize there's some.

[Joe Budden]

Or McDonald's, Wendy's.

[Ian Dunlap]

Very, very few McDonald's, though, for sure. Very few people create a McDonald's. Don't get me wrong. I hear what you're saying, but they.

[Joe Budden]

Have had fast food products that are selling. Everybody knows it's. But it fills you up. For right now. Yeah, for right now. And you hungry again an hour later. Cool. Two hours later. And they have had 100 year run. I get enough people in here buying this, but now I'm selling them a sauce that we made that's ours, and my sauce is flying off the shelf. Or I'm selling 997. They're not even here for the. For the food no more. They here for this.

[Ish]

But even with that, the issues that the music industry is having, to the McDonald's point. McDonald's make the majority of their money off real estate.

[Joe Budden]

You know that. Here you go.

[Mal]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Here you go.

[Ian Dunlap]

You make them on there for real estate.

[Joe Budden]

They have one of the biggest real games.

[Parks]

That's why you see music tech and data.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you said I'm.

[Ian Dunlap]

You said I'm the one up here being smooth, talking like Billy D. Williams.

[Mal]

Hey, yo. So enough with the music. We get it. I understand. Right now a jury is in deadlock when it comes to Danielle Penny. Yeah. Penny.

[Parks]

Penny.

[Mal]

Yeah. Danielle Penny is a deadlock jury right now. Those of you who don't know. Danielle Penny was a man who choked out another man who was acting erratic on the subway station. In the train station.

[Melissa Ford]

So he choked out Jordan Neely.

[Mal]

Jordan Neely. Thank you, ma'am. And he choked him out, and he ended up dying. And right now, the jury is in deadlock. They can't, you know. Can you help us with that mail, please?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. He faces a manslaughter charge in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely. But right now, the jury's deciding his fate. And they've informed the judge that they cannot reach a unanimous verdict on the top charge. Let's see here.

[Joe Budden]

What's the top charge?

[Melissa Ford]

The top charge is a manslaughter charge.

[Mal]

That's the top.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah. It was never second degree. It was never second degree murder. Never. It was manslaughter. He can face up to 15 years in jail. The judge gave the 12 jurors an Allen charge, wherein the jurors are encouraged to hash out their differences and reach a unanimous verdict in order to avoid a mistrial. So he was charged with manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.

[Joe Budden]

He can't be murdered.

[Melissa Ford]

And he's pleaded not guilty to the charges. And prosecutors contend that Penny used too much force on Neely for too long, while his defense team argues that he was acting in defense of both himself and fellow passengers.

[Joe Budden]

Which is, it can't be murder because you need motive and intent for murder. He ain't necessarily have a motive when he entered on the train. Can't be murdered. Got to be manslaughter.

[Ian Dunlap]

I feel bad. I used to see that guy all the time too.

[Melissa Ford]

Jordan Neely.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

He was a MJ in person. So he would be on Times Square a lot. Yeah, I'm, I used to, you know, he did have moments where down there, you know, people would fuck with him. So I'm not sure, like, if he was an erratic person, but I do remember seeing instances of him, you know, getting to.

[Melissa Ford]

He was schizophrenic.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah. But then as you learn that. But with the, with the guy who. What's his name? Daniel Penny.

[Melissa Ford]

Daniel Penny. It was a six minute long chokehold.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah. At what point does that not come into effect? And also his, like. Wasn't he like a Marine or something?

[Melissa Ford]

He was a Marine. And. And the prosecution brought up as a witness the person who trained him in choke holds. So he knows how to perform one and he knows at what point somebody will go limp and they are just unconscious and when it can. Exactly. And that to me is difference. He held on to him for six minutes. He knew what he was doing. And then when they searched Jordan Neely, they found he had no weapons on him. I think he had like a muffin in his pocket. And so. And also he was just like, oh, he was, you know, he was scaring a pregnant woman. She was like, yeah, no, he didn't.

[Joe Budden]

That's what the lady said.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes. So she was also called as a witness dog.

[Joe Budden]

Even if he was scaring him. I mean, I get restraining somebody, I get the whole, you know, I'm trying to protect people. I get that once you Got them that six minute hold.

[Parks]

That's a long.

[Ish]

That's a long time, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'all see lost consciousness, B, let him go.

[Ish]

It should have been over with.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck you trying to let him go. My thing is, to Mel's point, fam, if the people on the train are now saying, nah, I was good. Cause this is the thing. And people, this is a regional thing for us. People out there don't know. When you get on a train in New York, it's wild. That's normal almost. For the guy we might look at as being crazy or a little deranged to be on a train being loud. We've seen motherfuckers piss on the train. We need to jerk off on the train. So again, for a regional thing, that's normal to us. So. So for the viewers and listeners. Yeah, that's not necessarily normal. Mel saying the pregnant lady like, nah, this is another train ride for me.

[Mal]

Yeah, we know.

[Joe Budden]

Like, you know, I'm saying, because we rode the New York City trains, that's not abnormal for a motherfucker to be talking to themselves or yelling or screaming.

[Ian Dunlap]

Or doing some shit, whatever the fuck.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What needs to change for me is that the people need to get more involved.

[Ish]

I feel like.

[Mal]

Like if the people got more involved, to just hold them down. We want to have situations like this. Not saying that the guy, Daniel, he's guilty and he needs to whatever comes in, because he should have let go. What I'm saying, we have this mindset that in New York, in the train station, yo, we just gonna mind our business, yo. Niggas jump on the tracks, we gonna mind our business. Yo, this happened. Turn your head and mind your business. And that shit is wrong. I'm pretty sure three other people could have came together and held them down till police came or calmed them down.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, it's true. And there was somebody else who also wasn't even on the train at the time that this even happened. They boarded the train while the incident was in progress and then came along and held Jordan Ailey's hands down. So he literally could not. But they haven't charged.

[Joe Budden]

They should be accomplices to murder.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, yo, it's not as extreme, but I'm with this.

[Joe Budden]

By the way, I'm with you on.

[Ian Dunlap]

What you said and the other side of that, Right. For the people who do walk New York saying, mind your business, mind your business. Because a lot of people don't. Me, I'm currently dealing with some where I feel like, damn, I wish I'd have mind my business. Cause I tried to help somebody, and now I'm the person being charged with some shit.

[Mal]

But you responsible for how you responded. You could have handled it in another way.

[Ian Dunlap]

I tried. I tried. And then when the situation did not go a certain way, I was forced to act a certain way.

[Mal]

What forced you to act?

[Ian Dunlap]

I can't.

[Mal]

No, I'm not talking about. I don't want you to get into detail, but when you say forced, it's something internally. No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't forced.

[Ian Dunlap]

I'm saying I'm there to help. I'm here to help people who I.

[Joe Budden]

Feel are, in a moment, mediate some shit.

[Ian Dunlap]

Mediate something. And even within the mediation. The mediation went from mediation into. So now I now have to be aggressive. So in those moments, I know a lot of people who said to me, yo, that's honorable shit. But n. You should've mind your business.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, fam. There was a story, it would happen in Elizabeth where a couple was arguing and the dude looked like he was about to. I think he did hit the girl or something. And the guy jumped out, out of his car like, yo, yo, you can't do that. He popped him.

[Ish]

Yeah, it happens a lot.

[Mal]

Oh, unfortunately, she left with the other guy.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what happened happen after, but I'm just saying, unfortunately, we are in a time where minding your business can save your life. That's true. So I. I'm. If I'm on a train and I see it, I'm not jumping.

[Mal]

It's something.

[Joe Budden]

But that discernment can. I'm not. My discernment is. My discernment is to get home to my daughters.

[Mal]

Listen, listen. It's plenty of times we watch that happen. Kids watch things in the street that happen. And yeah, you want to mind your business, but the humanitarian in you to, you know, prompts you to go out.

[Joe Budden]

There and interfere Imani's situation. I might have interjected.

[Mal]

Yeah. Imani talking about that. Cause we don't know who.

[Joe Budden]

I'm minding my mother fucking business.

[Melissa Ford]

I think what happened.

[Mal]

I'm minding my business. I'm sorry, man. Please. I'm so sorry. I am minding my business. In domestic issues, me, because I've witnessed when you get out the car and help the woman, she ends up leaving with the guy. And she would jump you with the guy. She'll jump you. No, get off of it. Get off her. So depend. Unless he's trying to stab or do something crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he Got a knife.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm minding my business. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

I got 10, too.

[Mal]

But a lot of other things.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all niggas ain't shit.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's fucked up.

[Joe Budden]

You know why? Because if.

[Ian Dunlap]

Because if your daughter's outside or your mother.

[Joe Budden]

Mom.

[Ian Dunlap]

Or something like that, we always say that. And it's so easy for us to say when it comes to us, but we would.

[Joe Budden]

I would.

[Ian Dunlap]

I have two sisters.

[Joe Budden]

He right.

[Ian Dunlap]

I couldn't imagine my sisters being somewhere in that moment and there's men around and she's being hurt, attacked or something, and is like, man, I got. Mind my business. I don't know. Like, that would me up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry to hear, but at the end of the day, the goal is to make it. I don't care. Y'all can say whatever y'all want to say about Ice. Yeah, my goal is to make it back home. I've heard too many stories of the nigga putting the cape on, being a superhero, and also becoming a victim. Or also that being his last day. I don't give a fuck. My goal is to get home, even if you don't get killed. Let's say you and the dude shoot a fair. Oh, you catch a charge? No, look, you're the dude shooting a fair one. You beat his ass. Now you got beef. No, you got a broken hand and you got a beef. Now you got a beef. Guess what? They coming back. You all got a no. Guess what happens next week? He getting piped out by the same person you was defending.

[Ian Dunlap]

Pause.

[Joe Budden]

And you got a broken hand and a beef, right? And he know who you are, y'all. Now y'all beefing in the street. Shorty back with him.

[Ian Dunlap]

Cool.

[Mal]

Let's just.

[Ian Dunlap]

My Ice is on the. On the 2 train, right? Going to Harlem Ill. And you know. You know a can't fight, so a go Ice can't fight.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Ian Dunlap]

So a just put him in a yoke, right? Put him in a yoke, right?

[Joe Budden]

And I. And.

[Ian Dunlap]

And I just get on me. I don't know Ice, but he doing.

[Mal]

The fish, the little.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm getting choked out.

[Ish]

Joked out.

[Mal]

You like off his feet?

[Joe Budden]

Not off his feet.

[Mal]

In the air. Yeah. And I.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, you're only five, six, nigga.

[Mal]

It ain't hard to get you.

[Ian Dunlap]

Everybody here got that sentiment of your mind your business.

[Mal]

Y'all gonna feel the same way if.

[Ian Dunlap]

Y'All find out Ice got choked out on the 2 train going to Lennox.

[Joe Budden]

That's how you gonna feel Can I ask a question? What? Why I'm on the train?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Let's just start from there.

[Mal]

You might be busting something with a fat ass nigga.

[Ian Dunlap]

See what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

No, no. If you don't know Ice. If you don't know Ice, you're not helping Ice.

[Ian Dunlap]

So then when we find out, just like. And I'm not to make that a joke.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. Now we turn on the news and that's somebody's man.

[Ian Dunlap]

No, that's our man.

[Joe Budden]

Now.

[Ian Dunlap]

We have to come in here and report on that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I see what you're saying. And the message is going to be to train.

[Melissa Ford]

And the message is going to be.

[Joe Budden]

To people that you was going to see. I'm going to drop.

[Mal]

Go ahead.

[Ian Dunlap]

No, go ahead.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no.

[Ian Dunlap]

I was just saying, like, you know, I. I want to be very clear.

[Joe Budden]

That you will be like, understand that message. But he's right.

[Ian Dunlap]

If I found out that there were people that could have helped my man who was getting Yoki be out.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a yo, Yo. Pick somebody else.

[Ian Dunlap]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Pick somebody else.

[Ian Dunlap]

You just look so tender.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, hey.

[Mal]

Yeah, now you do look a little tender.

[Joe Budden]

Y and says you. You on your Pillsbury.

[Melissa Ford]

Get him.

[Joe Budden]

You go.

[Melissa Ford]

Who you going the other way? I thought he was going the other way.

[Mal]

So anyways, your friend again? No, she's not.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, my God.

[Ian Dunlap]

Stop doing that.

[Mal]

I know when male, not with. Get that. Yeah, she's my friend.

[Joe Budden]

No, she meant for us to get you.

[Mal]

Who? You said that, man. Huh? I have a question real quick. Shoot. This is not about me, okay? Put that out there.

[Joe Budden]

You got a friend, right?

[Mal]

If you're married or in a relationship, it is bad to receive. Are you.

[Ish]

Oh, if a person.

[Mal]

Could you receive gifts from women or female friends and what kind of gifts?

[Ish]

Yeah, what kind of gifts?

[Mal]

Expensive gifts. More than what your significant other got you. Like, can you.

[Melissa Ford]

Can you accept it and rock like an AP watch?

[Mal]

Can you accept it and watch like rocket underwear? Like some off white sneakers? Like some.

[Ian Dunlap]

Wait, who is this person to me?

[Joe Budden]

Who's this person Depending on relationship?

[Ish]

Like for Christmas.

[Mal]

Yeah, for Christmas. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

People like, who's the giver?

[Melissa Ford]

She's a family friend.

[Mal]

I mean, your ex. It may be your ex.

[Joe Budden]

My ex girlfriend.

[Mal]

Not my ex.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just my ex girlfriend gave me a gift whether to be an acceptable gift.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And it's some fly shit. Like expensive shit. And it's more than what you're. I have cool relationships with some of my exes.

[Mal]

Of course you do.

[Joe Budden]

My girl knows some of my exes.

[Mal]

Of course she does. Right here.

[Joe Budden]

So it depends on the ex. It depends on the ex?

[Mal]

I wish. Yo, listen, here's the thing. This thing right here, my wife. All right. Can your girl accept gifts from her ex?

[Joe Budden]

My girl don't handle exes. What the fuck?

[Ish]

He still.

[Joe Budden]

He still crazy.

[Mal]

My last. My every white ass. Listen, but for real, I'm not lying. We hypocrites. Let's. Let's go, bro. I answer you.

[Joe Budden]

If certain exes of mine gave me a gift, my girl would have a problem with it. If certain exes of mine gave me a gift, my girl wouldn't have a problem with it.

[Mal]

True.

[Joe Budden]

It's some of my exes I'm on the phone with right now, too. Till 12:30, 1:00 in the morning, discussing my business. My nigga.

[Mal]

Now you that nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Try to flip them.

[Ish]

Give me the lesson on how to do that.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Mal]

I like that white freaky shit. I got this. Yo, relax, relax, relax, chill.

[Joe Budden]

She coming.

[Mal]

Flip him up. I'm too hypocritical. I'm too hypocritical. Like, if somebody want to give me a gift, I'm accepted. I'm a rocket. But like. And then come I find myself.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't going to tell her where it came from.

[Mal]

That's the thing. I find, like, I feel like I'm going to keep it real. When you pay the bills in the crib and you go to everybody, you go and you got them. Listen, let me finish. And when you gotta hide this shit. Cause you gotta hide. When you get some shit from. Where that from? Oh, J.R. look like you got a hard shit. It feel lame. I just want to tell the truth.

[Ish]

Just keep it real.

[Joe Budden]

Tell the truth then.

[Mal]

My wife can't get no gifts from no nigga.

[Joe Budden]

There's a flip side to that.

[Parks]

What if he gets you a gift, too?

[Joe Budden]

No, what if he gets you a gift too? Get this for your man.

[Mal]

I'm not accepting that.

[Parks]

Well, it's fly.

[Mal]

Some off voices. Is it for crib said if the.

[Joe Budden]

Side gets him a gift too. Y'all senior man, he needs some bigger pants.

[Mal]

Give him these. You try some 40s for like a solution. My wife.

[Joe Budden]

Or what if she lied?

[Ish]

Yeah, and you don't know.

[Mal]

I ain't quiet about that because one time I got a gift, right? And I'm going, keep it real. I got a gift from.

[Joe Budden]

From my home.

[Mal]

Girl. Girl. And she bought me some yeezys. The green, some ill fly.

[Joe Budden]

They was real.

[Mal]

No, it was official, okay? And like, you sure Straight friend, my peoples and I told my wife, yo, yeah, I got this from. I got this from her. Cool. But then, like, years later, a year later, like, she, like, said some slick about it, like, oh, you getting it.

[Joe Budden]

Tell your girl. Tell your people to get them right?

[Mal]

Like, so. So is that inappropriate? And then now, did you feel wrong.

[Joe Budden]

When you got she popping up with gifts?

[Mal]

No. Hell no. You crazy?

[Parks]

Did you get her something back?

[Mal]

Huh?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Mal]

No, no, I didn't get her nothing back. No, no, no, no. It was appreciation gift.

[Parks]

I thought you were mailing me.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

What was she appreciative of? I'm not trying to be funny. What was she appreciative of?

[Mal]

We had did something. I had supported her on one of her adventures, one of her ventures.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Supportive move.

[Mal]

No support. She was giving back to the community, and I showed her. For the free.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's what they call it.

[Mal]

Yeah. Come on, stop playing.

[Ish]

So love when they get back to the community.

[Mal]

She got me. She got me a gift. And my wife, like, she held it down, like, oh, all right, cool. But then later on, it was brought.

[Ian Dunlap]

Up, flip, you can't do that.

[Mal]

And then now. No, no, no. Now you serious?

[Ish]

No.

[Mal]

Now there's a pack of cologne that somebody want to send me, you know, some Gucci Ill shit. But I don't want to go in the crib. So do I keep it in my car. And I want it smell good. I want to smell.

[Ish]

Throw that shit away.

[Mal]

Yo, not through how I. I went to smell it. And do I keep it in my car? Some old school shit.

[Ish]

Then she gonna go in your car.

[Mal]

I'm in the studio chilling by myself like this. I hear the door open. She walking up the stairs like that. Just walking to my shit, just looking at me like, nigga, doing what? Say it again.

[Melissa Ford]

He said she was looking.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, damn, Robbie. Yo, I covered my mouth.

[Mal]

I thought it was Junior because I think it's a trick when they walk up the stairs. Like, she walk at the same time as him. So it could sound like one step, Synchronize them. Usually I have people in my studio, and I can't tell her not to come to my studio. Who the am I? But she just walk. You can't just walk. Like, what about this? Yo, y'all good.

[Ian Dunlap]

Like, yo, Flip is the gift and all this that you. Is it worth the headache?

[Mal]

Which.

[Ish]

My point, Throw this away.

[Ian Dunlap]

Don't get me wrong. You should be allowed. If you got friends. Friends should be able to change. I know why you look at me like that.

[Joe Budden]

I say, I'm letting you rock.

[Ian Dunlap]

I do think friends should be allowed to exchange gifts like that. It's harmless.

[Mal]

Some curved colonial.

[Ian Dunlap]

It's nothing crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I would hit you with the curve.

[Mal]

If it was not harmless. I wouldn't talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

But if it's.

[Ian Dunlap]

If it's cool water, if it's gonna have your wife bringing some shit up or having.

[Mal]

But my wife is. That's that Caribbean shit like she played off in the moment.

[Ian Dunlap]

Well, that's what you chose.

[Joe Budden]

That's what you signed.

[Ish]

Listen, if you wouldn't want somebody.

[Mal]

Well, you know what I'm talking to you.

[Ish]

Don't do it to them.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna lie. I look at that differently.

[Mal]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

I just think.

[Mal]

I think that this is my opinion, misogynistic.

[Joe Budden]

It's not misogynistic. I am the stuff that I'm not.

[Mal]

So.

[Joe Budden]

The shit that so.

[Mal]

Well, it sound like me and you together, but go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

No, I would. I'm taking the gift. It depends on who the gift is from and what it's for. So I've spoken that shit for free for people.

[Mal]

People.

[Joe Budden]

Right. I just did an event not too long ago. I ain't get paid for it. I did it as a favor.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

If the girl said, yo, I appreciate you coming through. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Here's a gift of my appreciation. That's different. He just said, that's what it was.

[Mal]

That's what I did.

[Ish]

But it's different if she appreciates.

[Mal]

You blinking your eyes. I've been dealing with a lot of. I've been dealing with stupid ass does the Dyson coming in the crib. I've been doing all this. I'm checking my accounts and it matches. Like, come on. What?

[Ish]

But. But if.

[Mal]

What you laughing for?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you can't get bagged without your participation. So even if the girl is trying to bag you, you gotta play. You don't participate. This was business.

[Ian Dunlap]

Stop that.

[Mal]

Stop the reason why.

[Ish]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Ian Dunlap]

We're gonna be real.

[Mal]

We gonna be real.

[Ian Dunlap]

Stop.

[Mal]

Let's not be my.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't never falling no pussy in my life. Yo, it took two people.

[Ian Dunlap]

We not talking about falling in. We talking about this. We talked. There's a way to shut something down. Even if you don't intend in doing anything, just the fact that you allow it to still linger around a certain way is disrespectful. So if so, let's. Let's just say a. A nigga's trying to buy your girl some. Some. But she's making it clear now. And you. Like you said, she can't land on nothing that she don't want to land on. Just the fact that she's allowing that.

[Ish]

To continue being a space is a violation.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Because the person already showing you they're not respecting your relationship. Come on. And they keep trying. Yeah, y'all added this whole third component to it that's actually Slip Flip's example was he did a charity event for young. Young lady.

[Mal]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

The young lady gave him a gift of appreciation.

[Ish]

Man, we all done speaking, and a bunch of them be trying to bag.

[Joe Budden]

Us after the person that gave the event sometimes.

[Ish]

What the Are we talking about?

[Mal]

Yeah, but even if that was the case, even if that was the case, even if that was the case, say they did try to bag or I tried to bag. That's not what it was.

[Ish]

I'm not saying in your case it's.

[Mal]

A possibility, but even if that was a gift is a gift. I'm just saying the reason why my wife brought up one time like, yo, hold on, hold on, hold on, y'all. The reason why I'm saying, cause my wife brought up. My wife brought up one time like, how would you feel if I received a gift from someone, I wouldn't like it, and I'll throw it outside the crib on some old school shit like, yo, get the shit out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

But you've said you're a hypocrite. I am all the time.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I wanted to see if anybody else is a hypocrite like me.

[Ish]

Yes, we all are, my nigga.

[Mal]

Yeah, you're not with that right, man, you accept gifts, but you accept gifts from people. You accept gifts, but if that from Chicago pd. Except the gift from you throwing it away.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mal]

Keep it real, Parks. Exactly. What if she get him a camera like the ill. Sony, our camera also. You're gonna utilize the gift with him?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, more likely than not. Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm just saying. Yes. Okay. That's. That's all I want to. Lenny's. Is a lot of Lenny's up here, boy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling the truth.

[Ian Dunlap]

You. I'm telling y'all. And I don't even want to go.

[Mal]

Ahead and assume to just answer it.

[Ian Dunlap]

People are playing like they are more secure than what they are. I know for sure. I'm telling you, she ain't playing with no camera. She's gonna be Offended.

[Mal]

She's lying.

[Ian Dunlap]

She's gonna get jealous. He's already made it clear she gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Make him get rid of that camera level thing.

[Ian Dunlap]

You see your girl, your wife get a gift, you're going to be tight.

[Mal]

I am insecure. I'm insecure when it comes.

[Ian Dunlap]

He's going to do the same. Oh, you're gonna do the same.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I didn't say none of that bullshit.

[Mal]

They saying I'm insecure now.

[Joe Budden]

Look, we didn't discuss your wife getting a gift based under the circum same pretenses. It's all relative. Like it's information is contextual that allows how far we can go.

[Mal]

I'm not gonna do speaking against a nigger you don't know. Where's the gift coming from.

[Joe Budden]

A nigga you don't speak.

[Mal]

A nigger you don't know. A nigga you don't know.

[Ian Dunlap]

But she know.

[Mal]

Could be from work. It could be from the.

[Ian Dunlap]

Whatever she got a rapport with.

[Joe Budden]

She got friends?

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, she got friends.

[Joe Budden]

She don't.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's real good.

[Ian Dunlap]

So who are you now to determine what's good for her in her situation?

[Mal]

Her boyfriend.

[Ian Dunlap]

And she's your wife. She's your wife. So she's able to also say to you don't be bringing no cologne or.

[Mal]

No offense, can I put it in the car on some homeless and keep.

[Joe Budden]

You don't think your wife know what your cologne smell like?

[Melissa Ford]

That's sneaky.

[Joe Budden]

And that you come in wearing money cologne.

[Mal]

You come and wear some. Oh, oh.

[Joe Budden]

Your man. Your man w. Barely match.

[Mal]

Who barely match? Hey, yo. Today I just explain to take man time. You did it. You did it. Yeah, close enough, man. Close enough. The blues ain't really junior.

[Joe Budden]

Let me get them pants. Let me get them pants. Take your pants off.

[Ian Dunlap]

Stop doing. Stop. Stop doing that to your wife.

[Mal]

Doing what?

[Ian Dunlap]

That's the one person you ain't supposed to be doing this hypocrite.

[Mal]

Listen, I don't give a. Stop. I'm just telling you all the time I'm a hypocrite. Why did you tell him the rest.

[Joe Budden]

Cares more than he give off? He gives a. Yo, where's the conversation in there?

[Mal]

But no, I do care. No, if I act like I don't care, I'm.

[Ian Dunlap]

No, we don't.

[Mal]

I care tremendously because that's. But at the same time, you said what Is nothing. What you said, say it loud.

[Joe Budden]

I say you pay the bills.

[Ian Dunlap]

That's whack. That's a whack.

[Joe Budden]

What that means That's a lot of that. Pay the bills. Feel like. Yo, I know I could just do whatever I want.

[Ish]

Go cheat.

[Mal]

Yeah, but. So what? But there's nothing I could do. You don't feel like that. Even if I felt like that, there's nothing I could do. I know there's nothing. Cuz what I do, I'm a risk. I'm a risk. The happiness of my household. So. Hold on, let me finish. Cuz my ego, my machismo that I'm trying to portray to society. There's nothing I can do.

[Ian Dunlap]

You can't do that because you also had experiences with her where the shoe was on the other foot.

[Mal]

Other foot.

[Ian Dunlap]

So you have.

[Joe Budden]

So you have to.

[Ian Dunlap]

So you have to honor that.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta take.

[Ian Dunlap]

Yeah, you have to honor that. Now it's your.

[Mal]

We need 199Dyson. When I don't want your ass.

[Ish]

Why you need all that?

[Joe Budden]

I got one of them. That is annoying.

[Mal]

I love my.

[Joe Budden]

Why you need that Gucci cologne Look.

[Parks]

I sleep like a baby with that on.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Cold as that be.

[Joe Budden]

Cold Dyson Air purifier. I got one. You think I bought that? Throw that out the window. That.

[Ian Dunlap]

The. That you talking about is services. Yeah. Service is the house. No. Yeah. The. The Dyson. It services y'all.

[Ish]

It's family.

[Ian Dunlap]

The sneakers in the cologne only service you.

[Mal]

It's about me.

[Melissa Ford]

That's why I say you're exhausting.

[Joe Budden]

We am I.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

How I've been. I grew up in North. I agree with her though.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. It's just like the. I don't know how your wife does it. God bless her. You are just. You are so.

[Mal]

Girl, you almost got inducted into a cult. You almost. You lived with a pastor and a priest. Come on, man.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it was a self proclaimed prophet of God.

[Mal]

But you lived with that don't help keep it real.

[Melissa Ford]

Was. I didn't bring him in the house. It wasn't me.

[Mal]

And did you respect him at the time he was there?

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Mal]

You was ruled to the. The priest.

[Melissa Ford]

I sure. The. He wasn't a priest. He was a self proclaimed prophet of God. I was. I did not. I was like what's your government.

[Mal]

Did you cook for him too?

[Melissa Ford]

The I did.

[Mal]

When you cooked, you didn't feed him as well?

[Melissa Ford]

I did not.

[Mal]

So you never cooked?

[Joe Budden]

You never wash his feet?

[Melissa Ford]

I fucking did not do nothing like that.

[Mal]

What I'm saying is I am exhausted. But being inducted into a Coke gotta be more exhausting than dealing with me.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it was all right.

[Mal]

Dealing with me is just more like. Mel, listen, man, look, when I come here. Let me just talk y'all, because I know y'all. Giggling is my life. I'm able to express myself. I can't say this to.

[Joe Budden]

I was going to say that, but y'all was going to make you laugh at me.

[Mal]

I can't say this.

[Joe Budden]

Who.

[Mal]

Why would the. You think I want to tell her? Hey, yo, I told her y'all be cracking jokes about the Dyson and like that. All right, go tell them about this other. That I did too. Like, that's her. I don't want to hear that. She want to get a new chandelier. For what?

[Joe Budden]

And I hope she get it for us.

[Melissa Ford]

For the house. It's a beautiful house.

[Mal]

We don't need chandeliers.

[Joe Budden]

She want the house to look a certain way. She wants to throw.

[Mal]

We're throwing a gathering. Invited all the family. She wants a hot chocolate station. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I love that idea.

[Mal]

I set that whole.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's dope. That's fire.

[Mal]

A hot chocolate station for the fire.

[Joe Budden]

Look at your man.

[Mal]

Thank you. You di. Thank you. And if my daughter wants to decorate the house. House. No, no.

[Joe Budden]

French ass. Yes.

[Mal]

Let the kids decorate the house.

[Ian Dunlap]

Let them decorate that.

[Joe Budden]

You don't.

[Ian Dunlap]

You don't even be home like that.

[Melissa Ford]

Pretty much.

[Mal]

What do you even care? Leave me out of this. Can somebody agree with something about their homes?

[Joe Budden]

What about it, cuz?

[Mal]

I seem like a pig. Like, come on, bro.

[Joe Budden]

What Y'all get in the house. We getting ready to do this this weekend, dog.

[Ish]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta set, Go ahead, tell me. You gotta be on something. Something true here.

[Mal]

And that's what I learned up here from y'all.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sucking. Wait, wait. What you trying to say? We pussy.

[Mal]

No, I learned that, like, when I. Listen, when it comes to certain shit, you know what it is? Because with more money and more visibility come more eyes and more scrutiny.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Mal]

Right. With more money, more visibility come with more eyes and more scrutiny.

[Joe Budden]

So you're getting that back.

[Mal]

So what I'm saying is that when there's scrutiny, a lot of things that may have not taken serious when we were broken.

[Ish]

Broke.

[Mal]

It's taken extremely serious now, okay? When I was able to do that shit that I was able to do, flip the network back when I was just making a couple of dollars over YouTube. It's a little bit different now. So now I have to move accordingly.

[Joe Budden]

And she does, too. So she stuck with. Hold up. So she stuck with you when you wasn't Getting no money. And there were certain things that I might have wanted to buy that I was. I wasn't able to buy that I didn't have the capability to do. So now I do. So now I want to decorate my shit. Now I'm overcharging for what they you did to the Cold Crush. Now I want these dumbass mechanical blinds that we as don't give a about. Let her rock. I'm leaving.

[Ian Dunlap]

The question in her brain.

[Mal]

She might be saying leaving the crib. I'm leaving on holidays. I'm leaving. I don't care.

[Ish]

And you can communicate the same thing without being a dictator.

[Joe Budden]

Look, she keeping the card.

[Mal]

Hey, hold on. Let me talk to this.

[Joe Budden]

You can.

[Mal]

What you mean communicate without being a dictator?

[Joe Budden]

You can.

[Ish]

It's. I've learned because I used to do the other way, too. I make the money. I'm the man the. Then pack their. And you be like, yo, hold on.

[Mal]

Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Mal]

Dictators that lived had. Ran a successful country.

[Joe Budden]

And they died alone and got murdered and they sleep.

[Mal]

Except for the ones. Except for the one.

[Parks]

You did take history classes.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You did.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They ran you out of Brooklyn Young.

[Mal]

Whatever his name is. He's doing good.

[Joe Budden]

Napoleon.

[Melissa Ford]

Napoleon.

[Mal]

Napoleon did good.

[Joe Budden]

No, he didn't.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he didn't. He was.

[Mal]

He died alone at the end, but he did good.

[Joe Budden]

He got exiled.

[Parks]

Did good for himself.

[Ish]

Who's Napoleon's wife?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Ish]

Being a dictator.

[Joe Budden]

So he didn't have no hoes.

[Mal]

Napoleon didn't do good for the. Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Napoleon short. So he had to overcome Napoleon.

[Mal]

Napoleon did not do good for the country. No. Are y'all stupid?

[Ish]

God.

[Mal]

What's wrong with you? You got your history.

[Ian Dunlap]

You went to Jackson, right?

[Joe Budden]

Which One of the 11 taught you this in the Bronx?

[Mal]

I went to Murray, Bro Bertram, Environmental studies.

[Ian Dunlap]

Okay.

[Mal]

Martin Van Buren. What?

[Joe Budden]

Your high school is called Environmental studies? Yeah.

[Ian Dunlap]

Was it Jackson or was it campus magnet by that time? Which one?

[Mal]

I didn't go to. No, I went to the other one. I went to satellite.

[Joe Budden]

Alternative trailer in the back.

[Mal]

What I mean is that he was. He. He conquered a lot. Okay, maybe not for the country, but he conquered.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all had pizza every day, right? Right.

[Mal]

No aluminum.

[Joe Budden]

Got to be a war. How long was gym class?

[Mal]

Hey, y'all was valedictorian before of Jim. No. I was valedictorian. No. And that's what's wrong with you. I was smart.

[Joe Budden]

What happened?

[Mal]

What happened in society.

[Joe Budden]

No, you still Smart. My name.

[Mal]

I'm with you, Society. Going outside. But I was Val. But that's not even the point. Cool. Like, how many kids was in the classroom? Like, seventh grade.

[Ian Dunlap]

How many kids was in the classroom?

[Mal]

I had, like, 37 kids.

[Parks]

Was there windows?

[Mal]

Yeah, there was windows.

[Joe Budden]

It was that great. And this had the cage on the window. It was some great fold.

[Parks]

Look like.

[Mal]

Damn, man. It wasn't the round shit. It was the sharp shit. Y. Y. You need to do this. I didn't have a para. I didn't have a para. The round safety scissors. Oh. In closing for me, at the end of the day, I was thinking about Napoleon conquering places and.

[Ish]

Yeah, but we talking about inside your house.

[Mal]

It's not working. All right, but, nigga, you didn't know what happened in Napoleon's house. Yes, you do.

[Ian Dunlap]

He died alone, man.

[Joe Budden]

Bitch, do what I see.

[Mal]

A lot of people Listen. A lot of people die alone.

[Ian Dunlap]

Not you.

[Joe Budden]

You don't want to.

[Mal]

I don't, but it's not about that. It's about. See, that's what's wrong with you niggas. And I set all you niggas up to show that you panda for the people.

[Ish]

There's no need.

[Mal]

This is supposed to be a place where we speak about our feelings. And so I can't say this outside. I can't even say this to her. I can't even say this in my car. Nigga driving around, why the fuck she's on the phone talking to her friend, trying to help her with a stupid machine. I can't even stay in the car. I come up here to say. And y'all niggas judging.

[Ian Dunlap]

This is your way of saying to her?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

He was trying to get his shit off.

[Ian Dunlap]

This is your way of saying it to her, Cuz, you know you saying this like that.

[Mal]

Stop your ear. You like that?

[Joe Budden]

You the man.

[Mal]

You made a law.

[Joe Budden]

Why you can't say what you want to say?

[Ish]

I've learned it's better to get done just by being kind.

[Mal]

Thank you. That's why.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, What?

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. No need to say, hey, I don't.

[Mal]

I don't think that this mechanical on the wall is nice. I hate we need mechanical block. I don't. I don't think this mechanical. I don't think we need this mechanical thing on the wall made out of metal and gold. I think you spent too much money on that. I think you could go to something else, then check the account.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I don't think you need 17 pairs of sneakers. Flip, that money could go on something else.

[Ian Dunlap]

What about all the things that she might have thought you ain't need in that moment where you wasn't supporting?

[Mal]

Let's move on. The Gucci Cadillac, right? I didn't need it. Bought two watches.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, your two watches. We know your two watches.

[Ish]

What you get?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it's her turn.

[Ian Dunlap]

You went ahead and flipped that tax money and all that.

[Parks]

She heard the story.

[Mal]

Hey, listen.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Flip, here's the thing. Her investment is paid off.

[Mal]

I was talking mad shit to her, and she reminded me, like, nigga, even when you started giving money, I still gave you half of the income tax.

[Parks]

Yeah, she got you.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Mal]

But that was so wild.

[Joe Budden]

That was all an investment. And now it's the return time.

[Mal]

All right, say no more. Let's.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, Ball.

[Mal]

Thank you, y'all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. We did it.

[Parks]

We did it.

[Mal]

Yeah, we did it.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Parks]

Does anybody else have anything they need to get off?

[Mal]

No.

[Parks]

Any more internal family disputes or.

[Ian Dunlap]

I got some for Ice, but I'm gonna get at him on Patreon.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's the best thing to do. Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, well, sleepers, right?

[Parks]

Yeah, let's get to sleepers.

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, I guess I'll order.

[Melissa Ford]

Pop it off you. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Yesterday, being that this is recorded, whatever. Was the 19 year anniversary of Lil Wayne's the Carter 2 album. Damn. Damn.

[Ish]

We.

[Mal]

Oh, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, 19. And that's his fifth joint. I was like, anyway, so I'm gonna play a record off Carter, too. This is best rapper alive. Thank you.

[Mal]

You know me, got these peppers in my stomach. Yummy. I'm thinking that I ain't asking them for nothing. If you sell a million records, we could battle for your money. I ran A down $100,000 on a Sunday. Watch a football game. Embedded, all on one place. Still stunting, baby. Yes, I'm still flossing. Latest car on the market with the top feel dopey. Big wheels make you look a little brokey. You look a little salty. Have yourself a chill coffee, Chill out, the girls are still out. Even though I am a boss and got papers to feel out. I'm busy, I got paper to real in. God, I hope they stepping at the end of my ride. I hope I'm fishing in the right prime. And I hope you catching on to every line.

[Joe Budden]

Who am I?

[Mal]

The best rapper, Al. The best rapper alone. The heart of New Orleans. Thumping and beating, Living and breathing. Stealing and feeding. Feeling and leaving. Killing and grieving. Dearly departed. Erase, deleted no prints, no plates no face, no trace out of sight out of mind no court, no case sell his chain celebrate block 40 second line through the ball essence best chance, best mighty grammy try television telecop smell a rat coming back to the house to the spot tap tap knock knock who is that trigger man hoodie man tell the kids boogie man pistol p ammo mamo gun man plum blam Damn Sammy you done up put saying put your nuts up Just call me up with all these MCs smell like a bunch of pussy to me good Fuck em long fuck em hard fuck who fuck them all yeah like that, just like that Right back I'm on that money train and that Mac I knock em off track the quarterback well protected from the Warren sack the young heart attack I spit that cardiac you can't see me baby boy you got that cataracts I'm right here straight out the hood just like an ally can since everyone's a king where the fuck your palace at me I got callous on my hands I can handle that. There's no problem baby I still got him. It's just a victory lap baby I'm just jogging. Yeah and I ain't even out of breath. The motherfucking best yet Sorry for cussing.

[Joe Budden]

And that again is best rapper Alive Lil Wayne Carter 2 Happy 19 year anniversary. That just sounds real. That sounds crazy to me.

[Ish]

God damn crazy on that though.

[Joe Budden]

He did. He absolutely did.

[Parks]

I'm going to the west coast. This is a room full of mirrors won.

[Joe Budden]

Hey yo we live from the burning bush it's the lost tribe of Kush Lost in this wilderness hiding inside a book my diary rivals Moses copious notes holding the cannon unless you turn the high sea coach who ain't even close to this type of understanding between the world and me I'm still standing big trash cans in the street get a warfare it's for the forebears turning.

[Mal]

Young cubs to porn bears yeah forever.

[Joe Budden]

Caught in my crosshairs Staring at a mirror staring back ain't no marks there yeah appointed times of the nations busting at Satan from the block to bell Haven it's the great tribulation the four horses crusade and salivating hey that kept you waiting the details listening to shock valve mirrors on a different scale making it obvious you better off dodging us disrupt nigga really this show cute ago.

[Mal]

Let'S play it like you knew better.

[Joe Budden]

Fitted for this new era Watch your head guard your heart early correcting all errors told you which is two of.

[Ian Dunlap]

Me it's Some gems and eyes a.

[Joe Budden]

Room full of icons you tell me.

[Mal]

What you see okay I'm back by popular y'all what crew better demons land silk road figure they knew better you.

[Ian Dunlap]

Cheddar spitting ace doping with everyone in.

[Mal]

Gee see the setup is just Beethoven big dog madness run gun mafia spit.

[Ian Dunlap]

Your cabin for what it's just your.

[Mal]

Average disrespect is golly get your lashes I close out them all some souls gotta fall it's the season of the ones who believed in the past we stick to the way of the staff never be last bonita apple bombing we the mob and even out the mat arm to the leg like to the arm hand box the booth I brought the truth of sauce the juice to give me dad the sonic boom mirror move tripping devil said that's what I said we the innovation a new generation cap SW don't with that liberty wars why you monkeys after Thor black th violence what are y'all going to do?

[Joe Budden]

Y'all crew got a chill homie no.

[Mal]

I'm numb got a you a bon bon too Bon bon you cook it.

[Joe Budden]

Like that One tall shoot Marry me.

[Mal]

A legend in St. Paul Forever name a better come back with his head sever done playing the background Rebirth of a God living descended from the clouds dimensions I've transcended think inception been in their mind Living Nico DeShawn isn't one restricted by physics I defy the laws with these metaphors I'm giving from my highest source and my flying sauce to the heaven my marks been bringing arson and giving knobs to they cost to smoking rapids with caution they boof I ain't even coughing only option cuz there ain't no competition I've been going hard almost ready to put my dick in turn the game into my where the industry watch me slip in Kings of the underground rolling J's big pimping it punch call I'm armed and aiming I finish ball let it off and now you spawn in the heavens right next.

[Joe Budden]

To God hey what are y'all going through?

[Ish]

Y'all crew got to chill for me.

[Mal]

Know I'm know I'm you cuz my crew got to eat you a that's.

[Parks]

A room full of mirrors won soup shout out to the guys and girls.

[Joe Budden]

Bigish I'm going to I'm gonna go to they and the song is called straight.

[Ian Dunlap]

Get no sleep Never seen nobody.

[Joe Budden]

Take control like me baby come and.

[Mal]

See I can't take it straight up.

[Joe Budden]

No never playing but just straight up nothing that's Hard.

[Parks]

Big mail.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, mine is Sorry by Nick Hakeem. It's called I don't know.

[Mal]

Where did you go?

[Ish]

What have you seen?

[Mal]

And over there. Does the air taste differently?

[Joe Budden]

Where did you go? Where did you go? I.

[Mal]

But I know you're watching over me. You help us through the good and through the pain we breathe? One day we'll wake up from this crazy dream we'll meet again after my life's the mouth and I'll be wandering.

[Joe Budden]

Where will we go? Where will we go?

[Mal]

I. Where do we go?

[Parks]

That is Nick Hakeem. I don't know.

[Mal]

Where do we go? What is he saying, man?

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Mal]

What is he saying? Where did we go?

[Melissa Ford]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Jo, where you find that song at?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, you guys never ask me that.

[Joe Budden]

But this one, I just. This particular one.

[Melissa Ford]

Why?

[Mal]

Who gave a dick?

[Melissa Ford]

Why couldn't I have come up with this? Nobody's ever questioned any song I've ever played ever, ever, ever. What's up with this one?

[Mal]

Why are you speaking to through songs on here? Why are you doing that? So where you got this from?

[Melissa Ford]

Tell me, Apple music, how does it pop up?

[Joe Budden]

Not too much on Mel. Not too much on Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

My brows category.

[Mal]

Because she's just afraid to say that. She's like. She just went through some shit. Like, she always want to make it seem like it's all right. I'm speaking through music.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't going to do that, though.

[Mal]

Hey, take this. Whoever. Whoever. It fly, let it fly. You know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

That was good.

[Ian Dunlap]

You know the song is about death, right?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't know that either. He ain't know. He did not know that.

[Mal]

But it makes it worse now. Who's she killing off the neighbor. She killed the neighbor. She killed off the nigga in Chicago, yo. Oh, she killed somebody in the building.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Ian Dunlap]

Listen.

[Parks]

What a lovely show we did.

[Joe Budden]

There we go. We hope you all enjoyed it.

[Mal]

Lovely show. She can come in here with a hat and you be cool. That shit don't work. Shout out to Joe, man, that hat don't work, niggas.

[Parks]

Hope you feel better.

[Mal]

You think you'll come in here with a hat on ice and metal?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you thought you dirty.

[Mal]

You thought that. You come here with a hat and Mel don't shoot ice with a sweat. Ice.

[Joe Budden]

And he talking to me. He's talking to Ice, right?

[Mal]

We listen and we don't judge.

[Joe Budden]

Until you die. We make.

[Mal]

You can't go, rabbit. He said, go, rabbit. You can't go, Rabbit.

[Joe Budden]

You only getting seven.

[Mal]

We appreciate you guys tuning in.

[Joe Budden]

To.

[Mal]

The JBP shout out. He done laughed around a lot of you. You know me he's smarter than your average beer. My freeze when he's out it's cold in the cold can't stop Sometimes there's a hole at the bottom of the bag and they get loose. That's it with darts.

[Ian Dunlap]

You kids, they smart.

[Joe Budden]

Pop pop I lit the dark that's courage and brain. Came on several strips not from Houston but call me little flip cause I.

[Mal]

Flip a little for shizzle you flipping.

[Joe Budden]

When I flip coke and flip a little and you best be knowing but I clap that boy kidnapping.

[Mal]

I'm a.

[Joe Budden]

Bastard boy like Pastor Detroit but I'm stone sucking with my bone crusher outside.

[Parks]

Baby maybe outside baby I might be outside.

[Joe Budden]

I mean I'm running we running the streets.

[Ian Dunlap]

Turn French when he got a girlfriend sure do.

[Mal]

I'm going to H Craig I try.

[Joe Budden]

To go take that one over there.

[Ish]

He a let me in will never.

[Mal]

Happen no invites that foul where you.

[Ish]

Say you going you say you going.

[Mal]

I got to talk to them Verizon that put the in his crib they probably knock on the door let me in his crib. Oh J1 no matter what county I'm in no CL baby you know who it is to kiss the death the world would sucker free it just be me and my level never scared I got big hammers everywhere places where you need your passport at I'm heavy think what you're front like a new single make sure you leak for a month Treat your face like a buffet and tell my eat what you want. You don't know nothing about throwing a couple hundred thousand on the table and tell your keep what you want. It's usually hate or something stupid that a die for. So what you think we outside?

[Parks]

Does anybody remember the poem?

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Parks]

I should by this point but the poll at the Enderchi.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Baddies are insecure.

[Melissa Ford]

The baddies are insecure because you're gonna need it.

[Ish]

Yeah, I had all them.

[Melissa Ford]

That's good.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome back.

[Mal]

What the do you think I'm saying? Pause this real quick, Parks. Well, I'm not insulting you. You said welcome shout out to my man. I see why I'm not insulting. I'm saying welcome back cause you solved this. I'm giving you credit.

[Melissa Ford]

Where'd I go?

[Mal]

Meaning like I thought we was out of here. I thought we was gonna bother but you back.

[Joe Budden]

I hope you came prepared. I don't care if you live or phony Cuz we ain't never know what's up cuz we got you open dude that make a little pull on their back laying slipper than a frozen food to stop me you have to get cake in the bagger or watch Acknowledge the general and all.

[Mal]

So I go.

[Joe Budden]

To my noted take nine that's all in the troll yo yo, this worker got a lot of bounces. We out of here.

[Mal]

Here we go. Jbp, jbp.

[Melissa Ford]

Where would you be without the jvp?

[Mal]

Good job.