Episode 795 | "Licensed Listeners"

Summary

Summary of The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 795 | "Licensed Listeners"

Release Date: January 29, 2025
Hosts/Participants: Joe Budden, Queens Flip, Melissa Ford, Ian, Parks, Mark Lamont Hill, Corey, Erickson, and others.

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I. Getting Pulled Over and Experiences with Jail Time

Queens Flip shares his ordeal of being pulled over due to a suspended license, leading to a prolonged interaction with law enforcement.

"[00:44] Queens Flip: I didn't do skits anymore. It's just my license suspended..."
He recounts spending nine hours in a holding cell, during which he bought pizza for fellow inmates to ease tensions.
"[06:02] Joe Budden: It was good, you know? That's exactly what I said to my cleaning lady..."

II. Loyalty in Friendships and Modern Relationships

The discussion shifts to the concept of loyalty among friends, emphasizing the selective nature of support during tough times.

"[10:34] Joe Budden: I think people masquerade as if they do..."
Melissa Ford highlights the prevalence of transactional friendships, where relationships are maintained only for mutual benefits.
"[10:53] Melissa Ford: It's a lot of transactional friendships."
Mark Lamont Hill and Queens Flip debate the true meaning of loyalty, differentiating between unwavering support and enabling negative behaviors.

III. Declassification of Martin Luther King Jr.'s Files and Potential Revelations

The hosts delve into the political implications of President Donald Trump's announcement to declassify the FBI files related to Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, and Robert Kennedy. They anticipate the release revealing controversial aspects of these figures' personal lives, potentially fueling debates on racism and historical narratives.

"[90:05] Ian: So is it really a waste?"
Joe Budden speculates on the impact of such revelations, suggesting they may include allegations ranging from prostitution to public misconduct.
"[94:05] Joe Budden: I don't think Beyonce's gonna come come up empty this time."

IV. ASAP Rocky's Trial: Discussion on Fairness and Racial Bias

Melissa Ford and the hosts discuss ASAP Rocky's ongoing trial, criticizing his decision to reject a plea deal despite substantial evidence against him. They question the fairness of the legal outcomes for rappers, especially in cases where racial biases may influence judicial decisions.

"[55:39] Melissa Ford: It's very tough."
Ian points out the potential consequences of fighting a weak case, highlighting the systemic issues within the legal system.
"[56:20] Melissa Ford: And that was my point."

V. Reflections on Sports: Super Bowl, Philadelphia Eagles, and Celebrations

The conversation transitions to sports, particularly the Super Bowl and the Philadelphia Eagles' victory. Ian proudly shares his prediction of the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, a statement later validated as accurate. The hosts reflect on the cultural significance of sports victories and the associated celebrations, sometimes leading to rowdy behavior.

"[112:46] Joe Budden: He didn't have the greatest year to me..."
Parks recounts past Super Bowl celebrations filled with chaos, emphasizing the city's passionate sports culture.

VI. Relationships and Time Wasted: Differing Perspectives on Accountability

A heated debate unfolds around the notion of "wasted time" in relationships. Joe Budden argues that the initial phase of any relationship should not be labeled as wasted time, while Queens Flip and Melissa Ford contend that misleading intentions can indeed result in time being wasted for one party.

"[175:10] Joe Budden: I don't think a relationship ever wasted time."
They explore the responsibilities individuals hold in communicating intentions clearly to prevent emotional loss and misunderstandings.

VII. Music Performances and Final Thoughts

The episode features original music clips from artists like Taabe, Kenyon Dixon, Mop, Kiana Laday, and others, interspersed with the hosts' commentary.

"[192:50] Joe Budden: That's Mop Face Off."
As the podcast winds down, the hosts extend birthday greetings, discuss upcoming events like the Grammys, and encourage listeners to participate in sports leagues and other activities.
"[215:25] Queens Flip: All right, all right. We got."
Joe Budden concludes the episode with well-wishes and reminders about future episodes, emphasizing the importance of holding down the community and maintaining positive relationships.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Guys masquerade as if they do." — Joe Budden [10:34]
• "It's a lot of transactional friendships." — Melissa Ford [10:53]
• "I don't think a relationship ever wasted time." — Joe Budden [175:10]
• "Relationships should have clear intentions to avoid wasting time." — Queens Flip [175:57]

Conclusion: Episode 795 of The Joe Budden Podcast navigates through personal anecdotes, deep discussions on loyalty and relationships, political commentary on historical file declassifications, critiques of the legal system's treatment of rappers, and reflections on sports culture. The hosts balance serious topics with humor and original music, providing a comprehensive and engaging listening experience.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Queens Flip]

You know that constructive criticism is. Is received from you, so you choose to do it in the way of.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, you gonna grow out of that. Like, nobody want to hear that in front of a bunch of white people.

[Melissa Ford]

It was too white.

[Queens Flip]

Nobody want to hear that. And those my mans, and I love them, but nobody put me to the side, man.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even see color.

[Queens Flip]

Not me neither. Great, great people, everybody.

[Melissa Ford]

Great.

[Joe Budden]

That's what got my head knocked off.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, phone, phones, phones. Again.

[Joe Budden]

All she do is be on this phone on spiritual healing. Put that damn.

[Queens Flip]

I being her. She get mad emails off during this.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all now GB up here, she think, turn this on.

[Parks]

It's on.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Ian]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Even that wasn't a cue. Yo, somebody back there teach me how to work Twitch? You know how to work Twitch?

[Melissa Ford]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

All right, I got it. I thought y'all got a trick for her. I got a trick for a little Miss Muffin here. Hello. Hello. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. Greetings, salutations, peace, peace, love, health, wealth and prosperity. Prayers to those inside the pod and outside the pod. Anybody that may be going through something out there. Shout to the milfs and the gilfs, the happy couples, the miserable ones as well. The niggas out here hoeing the bitches doing the same. Shout out to our advertisers and sponsors and integrators. Shout out to the people behind the scenes that make this all possible. What's not to feel good about out there? How's everybody doing, man?

[Melissa Ford]

Great.

[Joe Budden]

Good, good.

[Ian]

Wonderful.

[Melissa Ford]

Glad to be here.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, we gonna let you get all the way in your bag.

[Ian]

Look, I know when time will come. Time will come.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, that's why you wear your green shirt.

[Ian]

Nah, I didn't even think about that. I didn't even think about that.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Why you weren't in the game.

[Ian]

I still don't watch football. I haven't watched the Eagle.

[Parks]

You can't say shit.

[Ian]

Oh, I can talk shit. This is what I do. I check the scores every week and I troll people. When his team lose, I text him. When your team lose? Yeah. I ain't seen a game since I didn't watch the Eagles in the super bowl when they won.

[Parks]

You gonna watch the Super Bowl?

[Ian]

My wife wanna have a Super bowl party, and it's hard to not watch the game at a Super bowl party.

[Joe Budden]

Why you not watching? Cause of Callum Kaepernick.

[Ian]

Cause of Cap. And then, you know what happened? Like, I just kept not doing it. It's not like a thing where, like, I refuse. It's just, like, I just kept. And now it's easy to not watch it. Like, I'm more of a hoop guy anyway, so it's easy to keep not.

[Melissa Ford]

Watching it even when your team is winning and doing good.

[Ian]

They kind of been doing better since I stopped watching, so I'm kind of.

[Queens Flip]

Like, maybe I'll keep this shit. You bad luck.

[Ian]

I might be.

[Joe Budden]

Even when Colin was trying to get.

[Ian]

Back, if he came back, I was gonna come back. But what I heard off record was that he didn't get a fair shake in that.

[Parks]

So you put it on record?

[Ian]

I'm not gonna say who told me, but, yeah, it's all good. It's all good.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are gon let Mark get all the way in his Philadelphia Eagles bag. Just not right this second. But, Cook. Yeah, no, I'm happy for y'all, and I think I'm rooting for y'all.

[Ian]

I'm a patient.

[Joe Budden]

I'm definitely rooting for them, and I think I'm rooting for them.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm betting on the Chiefs.

[Parks]

Yeah, they.

[Ian]

They're gonna.

[Parks]

We're talking football.

[Joe Budden]

Tough to beat the Chiefs and the refs.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. I'm just bet. I'm just betting on them because it seemed like whoever I bet on lose. So I'm hoping it works.

[Ian]

That's what I'm scared. When y'all just said y'all support the Eagles, I'm getting a little nervous.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I've been sitting here making emotional picks or the whole playoffs all the way through. Hey, when you. When you don't have a horse in the race, like, you could just go off momentum and underdog Jaden D the rookie, take them there where they need to go. But, dog, the Eagles O line and D line is not really fair. I think that's how y'all want Saquan.

[Parks]

Ain't fair.

[Joe Budden]

Saquan and that O line and that D line. Like, it's aggressive. Yeah, it's aggressive.

[Ian]

I just wanted.

[Joe Budden]

The Giants need to. Oh, man.

[Ian]

I know we're not talking football. Maybe you could tell me later why y'all got rid of Saquon.

[Queens Flip]

Bar.

[Ian]

I don't watch it, so I really don't know that. I just knew we got somebody really good.

[Parks]

Now, stupidity.

[Ian]

Was there a good argument for it?

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Joe Budden]

It's racism.

[Ian]

I'll buy that.

[Joe Budden]

That is how racism started. I say it all the time on this podcast. The original whites walked up, or no, they had boats, they had vehicles and guns. They rolled up to the island and the first black person they seen was Saquon Barkley. He was jumping, running, doing shit they never seen. He was like, dog. We watch him amazed. So imagine them seeing that person for the first time. No, we need a head start. Dick hanging to the niggas back, dick to the floor. Black niggas. Like, white people ain't letting that shit ride.

[Melissa Ford]

His girls saw it like, oh, you like that? No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

We got. Holy shit.

[Ian]

We need a couple hundred years, right?

[Melissa Ford]

You gotta oppress these niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, you gotta oppress them. So that's what Saquon Barkley reminds me of. The beginning of racism. Anyway, what's up, man? I'm in a real good mood.

[Melissa Ford]

Me, too.

[Joe Budden]

Real good. Happy to see every flip. Welcome home.

[Parks]

Wait, what? That's right.

[Ian]

Yeah, I see him getting booked.

[Parks]

I thought that was the old from last.

[Queens Flip]

No, no.

[Parks]

Fall or whatever. You got booked again?

[Queens Flip]

I thought it was a skit.

[Melissa Ford]

I thought you was just doing that to come in.

[Queens Flip]

I don't do skits anymore. It's just my license suspended. I didn't pay an assessment fee. So when they pulled over, they were pulling over a bunch of cars coming out the tunnel. You know, me being me talking to them. Yo, come on, man. I sat there for like an hour. But, yeah, Mo, it was.

[Joe Budden]

It was good, you know? That's exactly what I said to my cleaning lady this morning when she said, joe, what happened to Flint? I've never had this type of talk with my cleaning lady, but I don't.

[Queens Flip]

Know, she said, why anything like that?

[Joe Budden]

I say, probably ain't got a license because now is the time where they probably squatting outside of the tunnels to do all that shit I used to be afraid of.

[Queens Flip]

They're doing it now. They're doing it now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, so which side did they get you on? The Jersey side or New York side?

[Queens Flip]

New York side.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did they take you to.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, that was New Yorking, huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did they take you to Central Booth?

[Queens Flip]

No, they took me to the Pre. I was there for like nine hours.

[Ian]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

God damn.

[Queens Flip]

I bought pizza for the whole cell.

[Joe Budden]

Hardened crap.

[Queens Flip]

Everybody in the cells. I just bought pizza. J.R. was outside. Come through.

[Ian]

And just love.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did J.R. film that?

[Queens Flip]

No, you can't film that. But you gotta do what you gotta.

[Joe Budden]

Do to stay safe.

[Parks]

I got pizza.

[Ian]

I got to get with this one.

[Joe Budden]

What y'all want?

[Parks]

Pepperoni.

[Melissa Ford]

That's you. What you want?

[Joe Budden]

What you want, big dog. You gotta do what you gotta do in there sometime.

[Queens Flip]

I mean, you know what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Nine hours. Listen, vegetarian slice, right? Sicilian.

[Melissa Ford]

What's up?

[Ian]

Hope it's not meat lovers. Nah.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, yo, listen, man. Yo, I got. So I have so many tickets, tents, and all that stuff, and, you know, just check your license, man. Everybody check your license. I want everybody in here before they go to sleep to check and make sure your driver's license is active. That shit could just slip right by you.

[Parks]

My shit is accurate.

[Joe Budden]

I'm driving. The shit is accurate, too.

[Melissa Ford]

It don't really slip by.

[Joe Budden]

Man, am I naive? Am I naive for believing that most of this audience got good licenses, has a legit license?

[Queens Flip]

So you don't think that an assessment fee. Assessment fee is when you accumulate a couple of points and over the years.

[Joe Budden]

We know what it is. It's when you live and foul. It's when you not prioritize.

[Parks]

Pay that little 300 and keep it moving.

[Ian]

All you gotta do.

[Queens Flip]

So y'all trying to say that. Y'all trying to say those things can't pass by?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, it can.

[Queens Flip]

Thank you, man. That's what's wrong with you. Y'all trying to sound properly.

[Joe Budden]

We can't.

[Queens Flip]

Weirdos.

[Joe Budden]

It should not.

[Queens Flip]

All right, so it can, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But things happen.

[Queens Flip]

What did you do? Didn't you fall down and hit your face somewhere? Like, I'm saying, we do happens, but.

[Ian]

That you can't control. You can pay the fee, it slips by, and I.

[Queens Flip]

And I can't talk about the rest. But I live in Jersey now. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. And you can afford it.

[Queens Flip]

And I paid it. They told me it came out your queen's flip. Please do not drive. So I sat in the car outside the precinct. They watched me. I paid it, wait for the license to clear up, and I drove.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna hold you. Pardon my ignorance or if I offend anybody out there, but this talk is reminding me why I don't really give a fuck to talk to criminals today. Really? Like, I don't care nothing about your crimes. Your G card, what you just came home for what the lawyer had said, dog.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't care about your loophole and your shortcuts. You got.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care about none of that crime showing on. That's gross. This sounds.

[Parks]

This is 40s for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't going.

[Joe Budden]

This sounds like so. Oh, man. Sick break. This is when a nigga need to take a sick break.

[Parks]

We'll go outside, y'all.

[Queens Flip]

It's not a crime, but, you know, listen, hey, we live and we learn lessons. That's it.

[Ian]

That's all.

[Queens Flip]

Let's move on.

[Melissa Ford]

You good now though, right?

[Queens Flip]

No, Very good.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, that's what we was just talking about outside that I said was a good conversation that. I don't remember how it started, but.

[Parks]

We just talking about the origins.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's how it started. The origins of Ian and Parks. Introducing Ian and yada yada. But fast forward to that. Ian said something about why he traveled. Oh, he likes to. If he's not building with somebody creatively or working on something with somebody, then I'd rather be alone. And I thought that was interesting. I thought that was interesting now to a point.

[Parks]

I mean, I think you still need time to just hang out and be a human, but sometimes with people that.

[Joe Budden]

You have used discernment on, people that you love, people you appreciate, maybe like minded, have some things in common, have some sort of relationship, genuine friendship.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, isn't he excluding that and just meaning if you don't. If we really don't have anything to talk about business wise, then I don't really want to be around you.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think a whole lot of people have those friendships that I'm talking about with Parks right now.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I think people masquerade as if they do. I think people call a lot more people friend than our friends. Absolutely. On both genders.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a lot of transactional friendships.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to say that. It's just like more of a male perspective.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's just out today. It's just not here when I talk. It's not to gender war. Okay. I'm speaking. I speak about observing humans.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Both sides are doing that.

[Melissa Ford]

There's a lot of that today. Both sides. Every. Everybody's transactional. Like, I'm only your friend if there's a benefit in there somewhere.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

If I'm not getting something out of it, I have no reason.

[Queens Flip]

I don't like that way. I don't like that way.

[Melissa Ford]

Me neither.

[Parks]

Me either. It's scary when you find that out too.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Someone pops some out and you're like, damn.

[Melissa Ford]

For real?

[Queens Flip]

It's like. Yeah, it's like, what can you do for Me, right. I don't like that way.

[Melissa Ford]

Usually pop out once a no pop up.

[Ian]

Yep.

[Melissa Ford]

Once you tell them no about something, then the truth. The truth come out.

[Ian]

Well, I tell you, in this business, you find out fast who really fuck with you when you're not up no more.

[Joe Budden]

That's all.

[Ian]

You know what I mean? I remember when I was down down, people wouldn't answer the phone, you know what I mean? I thought people change their numbers, you know what I mean? And then when you back up again, suddenly everybody's back in touch with you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian]

That's how you could tell.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that can't feel good at all. And then the other part of that is I'm always working on something, so I ain't got time to just hang.

[Parks]

Out, hang out indefinitely.

[Joe Budden]

Pop out and show up here and there. It's like.

[Parks]

No, I do, but it's got to be controlled. Like, it just can't be like a endless hangout. You know what I'm saying? Like, I gotta get the out of here. When it's time to get the out of here.

[Queens Flip]

Like in your 40s. What.

[Melissa Ford]

What you.

[Queens Flip]

What. Who do you consider friends? Like, what do you. Is it people that you have relationships with for years? Do you make any new friends at 44?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's more difficult.

[Queens Flip]

It's very difficult.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a little bit more difficult, especially in your 40s.

[Queens Flip]

Especially if you're not being the position that you're in.

[Melissa Ford]

Especially if you're doing good.

[Queens Flip]

We hear you tell stories all the time how you met somebody at Lex school or you ran to somebody and you bonded real quick. But you don't consider that friend?

[Joe Budden]

No, not at all.

[Queens Flip]

You're capable of meeting people and conversing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a people person. I love meeting people and speaking to people and being social and being extroverted. Introvert. I'm that if it's time to do that. Yeah.

[Parks]

As long as you got it out.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm have out. Cause when I'm ready to go, I'm out. Yeah, I ain't hosting the kickbacks anymore no more. Like, it ain't pool party time. It ain't like this is. They getting a real reserved version of me today. Like a real. It's different. It's just different. My priorities are different. I focus different. Even in friendships. If you the friend that like to fucking get drunk and drive, then I ain't hanging with you. If you the friend that, respectfully, that is getting arrested every other month. I'm not. We not hanging.

[Queens Flip]

That is not if you the friend.

[Joe Budden]

That when we go out, you can't keep your dick in your pants. You got to talk to everything in the world. And the ugly deal, you bring it doing that. I'm not. I'm not. I got a long list of reasons as to why you don't really need to. So hang out with people.

[Queens Flip]

If you do have a friend and these things happen, do you sever the friendship?

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just kind of distance.

[Melissa Ford]

You ain't got to sever it. You could just know what box to put that person in. Like, all right, cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hang out every once in small doses. Only a small doses.

[Melissa Ford]

Friend only in this type of capacity.

[Queens Flip]

I love see, you know, And I.

[Joe Budden]

Kind of want my friends today to have shit going on. Like, you be busy, right? Word. Yeah. Like the days of people just being available 247 or just hiring a friend to do something, a job that a real person should be doing. Like the niggas that be hiring a friend to be the bodyguard or the friend to be the driver or the friend to be the manager. Yeah. Any of that. Like, nah, not today, dawg. Worst shit, not today. There's too much shit going on. It's too much shit that you have to actually pay attention to and kind of like, be aware of. Especially now Wall street is doing shit like, you gotta.

[Queens Flip]

But your friendship come with conditions to me. And that's how I look. I'm loyal to the soil, regardless. I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I hate that too.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. But that's what it is. I'm loyal to the soil. Like, listening to you talk. Listening to you talk. And I'm hearing you, which is cool. But I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with'cause I said a lot. It works for you. You're saying that basically, if my friends get into things, you know what I mean? And they continue to get into things, then I would distance myself from them, which, hell, yeah.

[Ian]

Which is great.

[Queens Flip]

And that's great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's your 40s, and I got it.

[Queens Flip]

I get it. Me, my friend is my friend for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

And maybe. Maybe I am, I guess, glutton for punishment. Not glutton, but condoning or enabling. Enabling, yeah. Maybe I'm enabling things, but I look at things different from what he's saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What happens in the five years you might look at it different.

[Melissa Ford]

What happens when you absolutely will that friend that is always getting into shit. You hang with them now they got you in some shit because they're known.

[Queens Flip]

For getting into Shit, then I agree with that.

[Melissa Ford]

You see what I'm saying?

[Queens Flip]

But some of us hold up.

[Melissa Ford]

Part of growth is risk assessment and realizing that part. What is worth your time? I told Joe when I walked in here earlier today, I read a post that Shooter put up on Instagram. My man, where he was like, I'm no longer going to places where if it happened, the first question everybody would ask is, why the fuck was he even in there? And I'm like, yeah, I'm on that type of time too now. Like, once you get. We keep saying it's your 40s, once you get to that point in life where you just start to think about it like, yo, dog, do I need to do this? Or if this person ain't moving the same type of way that I move, do I really need to be with them?

[Joe Budden]

I agree, because I've been preaching that shooter shit for a while since. Since I almost got my head popped up off on Gifford and Jerry City all them years ago. Be where you supposed to be.

[Ian]

Yep. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Be wherever you supposed to be and.

[Melissa Ford]

Who you're supposed to be with.

[Joe Budden]

So it could just align with whatever the universe's plan is. I think I told my girl that the other day in some type of cheating conversation. Well, she was joking around. I was like, that don't apply to me because I'm never nowhere that I'm not supposed to be. I don't say I'm one place and run over here. I don't leave it to. To the newspapers and headlines to let my loved ones know what was going on with me that night. Yeah, yeah. No, not at all. And I'm not gonna lie to y'all. The hood overrates loyalty.

[Ian]

What you mean?

[Joe Budden]

It's my favorite voice line. I'm like royalty around y'all down the fall with. I feel as loyal as me, which is probably why loyalty is my downfall. I love that line. Number one, a lot of these ain't the. The greatest. Why would they. Them next to me all the time or attaching themselves to me? Some of them people don't know how to rock with what I got going on. My vision, my. Some of you niggas we just knew since we was nine, okay. And it's a long time and went to high school together. You was there for that one fight I had as a freshman when they were picking on me. And now we adults. You 39 talking about, that's my man. I'm loyal. No nigga get away from me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Length of time I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I Don't. I don't. Nah.

[Ian]

But I still feel duty to them. I just. I just don't kick it with them all the time. In that case, if somebody. If I got jumped in ninth grade and you was there, then I'm always gonna be there for you. Don't mean I'm always gonna invite you to every event. True. It don't mean I'm always gonna give you money every time you ask for it.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Ian]

But I feel like I owe you something. I always feel like I'm gonna stay committed to you a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

What you just described is not how they speak about loyalty when they talk about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's fair undying.

[Joe Budden]

That's on the flip side. What you just said is on the flip side of my argument, which is, hey, if I feel at any point that I wanna pick up and exit whatever the fuck this is that we got going on, I want to reserve the right to do so.

[Ian]

That's real. That's real. I just never. I guess I'm saying I'm in the middle. Like I don't completely abandon the person. And I also don't feel like I gotta.

[Queens Flip]

I gotta use disturbing when dealing with them.

[Ian]

Yeah, but I'm not tied to you forever because you change and you grow and just.

[Queens Flip]

Cause I mean, we all listen, everybody grows. We all grow at this.

[Ian]

At the end of the day.

[Joe Budden]

No, we don't.

[Ian]

No, they don't.

[Queens Flip]

A lot of men don't grow, meaning internally. Even if you loyal to somebody, you fuck with them, if you see them doing some bullshit, you can still be loyal to them. But take a step back. Your loyalty can mean that I'm gonna make sure I remind you the shit you doing is stupid. Your loyalty can mean that if your child is in need because I have a relationship with you, even if I'm not talking to you, I'm gonna make sure I help them. Loyalty and being a friend is so many.

[Ian]

That's what I'm saying. It's in the middle.

[Queens Flip]

That's what I'm saying. You wanna act like you some type of get outta here?

[Joe Budden]

No, I think that we just get on podcast mics and present a certain way. But life on life terms happens for everybody. So that loyalty that you talking about to somebody else could sound like I'm 900,000 in a hole because I keep having to pay for somebody's attorney fees. Right. And then it's not going to be yo, nah. If they need something, I'm popping. No, it comes with a little more thought so then when you start human behavior.

[Queens Flip]

Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

And life and the universe, when it's greater than us, comes with scenarios and variables where it's going to require a little more thought than us saying, that's my man, and if you need it, I'm here for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And a lot of times people have a very different idea or concept as to what loyalty actually is.

[Parks]

For sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's where you end up in like, you know, kind of like a mess with people. Because their concept of what loyalty is, is like. You're like, that's not my thing.

[Melissa Ford]

You do whatever I need you to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Ian]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's not loyalty.

[Ian]

Right. And the moment you say no, that's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why then you're not loyal.

[Ian]

Loyal. I paid people's rent for literally years at a time. And then at some point I've had to say, like, I can't anymore. You gotta do something.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

The loyalty could turn into enabling, easy. In the blink of an eye. No. You'd be none the wiser. Yep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mm.

[Queens Flip]

Okay. I think. No, no, no, no. Cause look, you went through a situation and niggas stood by you. You have situations that you went through. So are you saying that people are only standing by you because you are? Cause you're successful monetarily or because they're loyal to you? Because the person could have said, yo, Joe, keep going through this shit. So now I'm not fucking with him because it sound crazy, but the people around you didn't choose that path. They chose that. No, I understand. I know that things happen, and we know Joe, and we're going to be loyal to him and carry it as such.

[Joe Budden]

That's okay. I think I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Because I'm trying to be respectful. Hold on, wait, wait, hold on. I'm trying because it sounds like this, because I don't want to say anything to offend anyone. That's not my intent. So I'm trying to find a way of how to.

[Joe Budden]

There's no need to. There's no need to.

[Queens Flip]

Well, I'm kind of offended because we was outside talking shit, so, you know, I have a chip in my. I have a chip in my dip.

[Joe Budden]

Pause. Well, don't bring outside. Inside.

[Queens Flip]

Well, yeah, but let me see if.

[Joe Budden]

Cause I think I understand what you're saying. This is my reply to that. I'm just uncomfortable. The people that stand by me.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And the people that are there for me in my times of need. I don't ever need to call that loyalty. And I don't see it as loyalty.

[Melissa Ford]

What do you say?

[Joe Budden]

That's us. That's the relationship. It's not nothing where I need to identify this characteristic about or this trait on this specific person.

[Parks]

There's also standing by someone because you know who they are versus the circumstances. The circumstances that happened to them. For sure.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Ian]

But even still, you gotta pull the plugs if every time Joe got into some shit, it affected us, Right? And after a while, after the fifth time or the tenth time, it was like, yo, you just fucking up your brands. Fuck up your job. I might have to say like, yo, I love you. But, like, I can't stand next to you on this anymore. Cause you gotta make some different choices. Like, it's okay to tell people to make different choices.

[Melissa Ford]

I disagree with what you said, Parks.

[Joe Budden]

Only because look at us getting deep.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ian]

I don't like these kind of conversations.

[Joe Budden]

I love this.

[Parks]

I love this.

[Ian]

I hate it.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a lot of times you might.

[Joe Budden]

We don't do it enough. We don't have these talks enough, period.

[Parks]

Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

Not just here, just period.

[Parks]

Go ahead.

[Melissa Ford]

But it's a lot of times people might not know what that person is on. Like, you might not see that side of them. So then when you hear the shit that happened, it's like, no, that's my man. I'm rolling. He would never do that.

[Parks]

But that goes back to me saying, knowing the person.

[Melissa Ford]

But, like, what, you know, what you think of knowing, the person might not be knowing.

[Queens Flip]

Exactly. Because a lot of that, you could know a person, and then you hear something that come up about them later on, you're like, yo, I never knew that this was. This was them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, it sounds like you didn't know them, but. No, no, no, that's not true. Because your parents can do shit that surprises the. Out of you. Yeah. I mean, there's always an element of people. Everybody that, you know is a secret part of them that they just, you know, keep hidden. Everybody has.

[Parks]

I. Yeah, I disagree.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, got you.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree.

[Parks]

For the people I know personally, if they do something crazy most of the time, 99% of the times, like, I guess I could have seen that coming. I was just wearing blinders intentionally.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

I was producing, about to play something, man.

[Joe Budden]

I was.

[Ian]

I thought you was doing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but then it was blank silence, and I was like, oh, let me. Joe button here. Okay. We did that, y'all.

[Queens Flip]

That was fun.

[Parks]

We started off with this little deep combo. Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, let's get to it now, though.

[Parks]

Let's Talk about ice. The other one.

[Queens Flip]

Which one?

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, the ones that was about to bag you.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I know them niggas was yelling outside the car, making fun of me, man. Trump got you flip, huh? I'm like, can you move me from over there, please? Yeah. One guy. If you look at the video, one guy was recording me like this, acting like he was on the phone like this.

[Melissa Ford]

You doing your move.

[Queens Flip]

That shit. JR Was dying. I was like, pops, come on. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

She's so bad. Hey, hold up now. They too young.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't know who this is?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, my God.

[Ian]

You're joking, right?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

He's dead serious. No, I play some Frank Sinatra, though.

[Queens Flip]

He Every word another song. I knew a different.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry about it. That. That. That. That is part of why this Ben stopped being a music podcast. It's only three people up here that know music. Wait up.

[Parks]

Whoa.

[Joe Budden]

You and I together. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from.

[Queens Flip]

Always for the for real.

[Ian]

Hey, if it's a dream.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean, shout to the nine to five is out there, the entrepreneurs out there. Shout to the dope boys. Everybody at work, everybody avoiding that congested prices.

[Queens Flip]

Shout to y'all.

[Corey]

Once I get it, no turning back.

[Queens Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the parents out there. Whole Philadelphia home, Philadelphia. Come on, man. Y'all got your moment.

[Ian]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Saquon Barkley.

[Melissa Ford]

I see you out there.

[Corey]

Hey, I got a thing for you.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the patronies, all the.

[Erickson]

Subgroups and all that.

[Joe Budden]

All the hate listeners out there. What up, what up, what up, what up? Yeah. I mean, I'm doing it like it's a weekend. The they talking about. Yes, sir. All the teenagers listening out there, all the young listening out there.

[Ian]

What up, what up, what up? These two are trying to figure out who this was.

[Queens Flip]

Mel was in the video.

[Ian]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Queens get the money. Queens get the money. Big jersey.

[Corey]

Each and every time.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Carolinas. Any of my family members listening.

[Ian]

What up, what up, what up, what up?

[Joe Budden]

Everybody in the building listening. Peace, peace, Peace and love. Everybody at the hookah spot right now. What up, what up, what up, what up.

[Ian]

I love it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we're gonna get started. We're gonna get started. Now I'm where I need to be. This made me want to go out. Flip and Mel and Mark. Mark, Mark. What episode is this?

[Parks]

795.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 795 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by Fueled by Powered By Prize Picks. Prize picks, gang.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, happy to be here fully dressed host Joe Budden here with a few really amazing people to my right. You know the vibes. Big Melissa Ford in the building. The legend herself. Fuck these bitches talking about exactly next to her. Queens flip. Queens get the money. Fresh home, fresh out of jail, California Trina.

[Ian]

It's backwards.

[Joe Budden]

It's backwards.

[Melissa Ford]

Now it's backwards.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Free flip to his backwards man. Yeah. Next to him. You know the deal. Dr. Mark Lamont Hill in the flesh. Go Eagles. Hey, Big Freeze is in the building. Newark's finest, Elmira's finest. Parks is here. Poe is here. Ian is here. Corey is here. Keeb is here. Erickson is here. Sion and Tanner are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys is here now. What's up? How's everybody's weekend?

[Queens Flip]

Great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Great.

[Queens Flip]

Amazing.

[Parks]

Good.

[Joe Budden]

I was in the house all weekend.

[Melissa Ford]

Did I do anything?

[Parks]

I was out Friday, but then Saturday I was in pajamas by 7pm yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Saturday and Sunday I did the same Friday, moved around a little bit. Saturday and Sunday in the crib. It bothers me now to have to go out and I didn't finish the show. Like, it sounds odd, but if I'm out and I'm like, on episode seven.

[Melissa Ford]

I gotta get back home. It's like, do I really need to be here?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man. Pete is about to fucking break in there. I did finish Night Agent. I didn't finish Night Agent.

[Melissa Ford]

Is that good three, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Night Agent is good.

[Melissa Ford]

Night Agent is good. That's good.

[Ian]

Is it another one of Thriller shows?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like Espionage? Espionage.

[Queens Flip]

Like, yeah.

[Ian]

Like, is it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Conspiracy. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Okay. I guess it is. Yeah.

[Ian]

I just. Y'all like a certain kind of show. So I'll be trying to gauge without watching and not the name of it.

[Joe Budden]

In every show I watch, there's something to figure out. Something has to be uncovered.

[Parks]

Who did this, who done it, who.

[Joe Budden]

Is responsible for this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we haven't had a show for a second that we're all on the same page and, like, watching religiously.

[Parks]

It's a little droughty right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I just started watching Dexter, Original Sin. Because.

[Ian]

You a Dexter fanatic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it. Like, I love the show Dexter. Well, they up the ending, but I love Dexter, so I'm watching Original Sin. I like it.

[Ian]

It's cool.

[Parks]

I'm gonna try it.

[Melissa Ford]

And there's an aftermath show coming this summer. Another one, Another one.

[Parks]

Yo, Showtime is out of ideas.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm actually Thinking about going into the movies tonight to see Seven.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I love that.

[Joe Budden]

They're playing it in. Not a re release. They. They do that up there. Now where they go.

[Melissa Ford]

That's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would do that.

[Parks]

I would see Seven. I didn't see seven in the theater when it came out. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

Me either.

[Parks]

So I would see that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I definitely.

[Ian]

I did. That was fire. I'd see that again.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Boy, it's one of my favorites.

[Joe Budden]

Was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You get a seven come out in 1995. 1995.

[Ian]

I know. It was in high school.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Somewhere around there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I did not see 7.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause they just had their 25th anniversary.

[Joe Budden]

95. I was trying to scramble up some date money to go see Menace, I think, with my. With my little high school crush.

[Ian]

You took your. Did they take.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, my not high school crush. That was before high school. Huh?

[Ian]

You took your date to see Menace?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

What's wrong with that?

[Ian]

Oh, man, we ain't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I was 15.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah. I mean, we went. I took to see them kind of movies, just not like the. Not to shoot them up.

[Joe Budden]

Brad, how old are you?

[Ian]

46.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you got me by when your birthday?

[Queens Flip]

December 17th.

[Ian]

Yeah. Thank you. Wait, it's his son's birthday. That's why. Oh, all right.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I was about to say I.

[Melissa Ford]

Ain'T gonna fuck you.

[Queens Flip]

Look at y'all. Look at y'all.

[Ian]

That was crazy for me. I text Mel on her birthday every year, like, happy birthday. And she really appreciates. This is my brother's birthday. I never told you that, but yeah, so that's okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I figured it was in your ical or something like that, you know, like recurring cal sometimes I calendar.

[Melissa Ford]

She said I cal.

[Joe Budden]

That's how you get. That's how you get that off at home with the W. It's a good one. It's a good brother's birthday.

[Ian]

It's Anthony's birthday, you know, welcome.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good one. No, for sure.

[Queens Flip]

Have a great weekend, man.

[Joe Budden]

And that's two days after my son's birthday, December 17th.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

The day after my brothers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

All right, all right. We got.

[Joe Budden]

And then my stepdaughter's Birthday is the 16th. Feels like a double whammy. That's my brother. 16.

[Queens Flip]

Are you. Are you a good stepfather when it comes to gifts?

[Joe Budden]

I'm a good person.

[Queens Flip]

Do you.

[Joe Budden]

Anybody in my life.

[Queens Flip]

Wait, listen. Do you up it to make them question their dad? You know, my stepdad got me this. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Be careful. Do that.

[Queens Flip]

Caribbean, Jamaica. They can.

[Joe Budden]

You got forgotten support step kids or kids saying they dad either.

[Queens Flip]

No, there's some kids that do that. There's some kids that do that. But you do gotta. You up it more than the pops.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't concern myself with what the pops does. But if I'm upping it for my daughter, I have to up it for the step kids as well. We all live in the same house. I'm not gonna freeze.

[Ian]

That's tough though.

[Queens Flip]

That's a tough.

[Melissa Ford]

So I'm supposed to up it for my daughter.

[Parks]

They get them some bullshit and they.

[Melissa Ford]

Get them some bullshit so that it don't feel like I'm stepping on step up.

[Queens Flip]

Not all the way up. If you know, if you see a pattern of what the father gives them, you have to be mindful of what you give the kids. Cause that.

[Ian]

I dig what he's saying. Like if you buy your kids some Jordans, you can't buy your step kids like some Ewing. Some sketchers. Right, Some sketchers.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa.

[Ian]

So then you buy everybody the Jordans and then the Pop come in. He don't buy Jordans. Then you look.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's not my. I have no.

[Queens Flip]

We Talking about the pop can never get them to PS5. And you buy like 3.3ps5s for each one of them. Like. Like that.

[Parks]

And why would they need three PS5?

[Ian]

Do you understand how PS5 work?

[Queens Flip]

Well, I got. I got three in my home, so. That's not true.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I got two of mine, so.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Queens Flip]

So you guys cracking jokes?

[Parks]

You said per kid.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, got one two in the same room. Cuz they tricked me. What did they do? Some system to system.

[Queens Flip]

You get to play each other because.

[Melissa Ford]

You ain't got to split the screen.

[Joe Budden]

Now you exactly carrier.

[Ian]

Yeah, I'm with you though.

[Melissa Ford]

I feel like if. If the kids is in your household, you got to treat them all the same. I'm not gonna sit there and go above and beyond for my daughter and then do something different.

[Joe Budden]

I can't jump in here with. With jokes.

[Queens Flip]

So just get pop sent $100. Joe sent one topic.

[Joe Budden]

I have to bring it up and I can't. I can't joke about that.

[Queens Flip]

Pop sent $100 or $50. Joe sent a thousand. You know what I mean? The kids not gonna want advice from pops no more.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if my stepkid's dad know how expensive of them. Little like them got nice taste like they not picking skips. They 17. My little brothers are 17. About to be 18 years old.

[Queens Flip]

My man hit me last night.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, next Nick game you don't go to send the tickets. I'm like, yo, who you hold up.

[Ian]

Nah, send the tickets is wild.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Let me get those big dogs right.

[Ian]

I'm gonna need that.

[Joe Budden]

You going to the Denver game? Yeah, your dog. Who are you talking to?

[Ian]

Like, that's a square up.

[Melissa Ford]

Quick little square.

[Joe Budden]

That's my new thing with all of the kids. It's like, yo, who are y'all talking to?

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah, my step kids.

[Joe Budden]

Probably the most polite. My kids and my brothers and their.

[Melissa Ford]

Kids don't have no sense of money. They think like, they. No, they. I'm rich. They'll be sitting there, yo, we want this. And I'm like, well, you got the money.

[Joe Budden]

We want this.

[Queens Flip]

Lucky you.

[Joe Budden]

Lex done found some type of way. He must have found the VIP robot. Roblox clothes. Oh, nigga, now he pressing the buttons. That cost 299. 399, fam.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm running through Robux like it's nothing. Like, they treat that like it grows on trees.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I want a new outfit. He's telling me, you got money.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I need more Robux.

[Parks]

Oh, no. I made the mistake of putting my niece on my family plan once when she was probably 12 or something like that. Dog, I had a 700 Apple bill one month, I was like, nah, never again.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they walk in there with the appliance like this. So just put the password. I need this. Put the password in.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you can't play with them kids. I think Lex want to be on my amex. I think he want, like, his own chick.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no. My girl's daughter, she knows. She's eight now. She knows how to shop online. So she's sitting there, y'all got a whole cart saved here. Christmas was coming up. What do you want for Christmas? Yo, right here just handed me her iPad with the cart.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nice.

[Parks]

Who you talking to, dog? You ate, but also good looks, right?

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, okay. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Moms hit me the other day, yo, this is a list of places I want to go this summer. Give me your points.

[Melissa Ford]

Your mom's. They try to get your points, though. Them her points.

[Joe Budden]

I think it worked. I think it worked now because I didn't have time to have the talk, so I just said, yo, hit. Hit. The accountant.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And the accountant around and told her, I guess, how many points I had. That's all she did was text me, you have this amount of points. She was like, 8 million she's got a good summer. I gotta learn how to use them.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, you do.

[Ian]

Oh, they great. They come in handy. I use them for.

[Parks]

My God. I use bushes too.

[Joe Budden]

I've never. I've never used. The one time I tried to use them, it just seemed like it was an annoyance to me.

[Ian]

They made it so it's not no more. I did the same thing. I went like 10 years without using them. I figured out how to use them. I started using them for all my travel. My daughter's overseas for study abroad. I used them to get to fly her out there to pay for the crib.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta travel.

[Joe Budden]

I travel. I travel. I just be paying.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't travel.

[Ian]

I travel, dog. Use them points.

[Joe Budden]

Mm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you mean travel shoe. Oh, you not getting none of my points, man.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that's not what she said. You think you travel. You don't really travel. She travels is what she said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was not throwing myself into the equation.

[Melissa Ford]

We got it.

[Parks]

It was a double wavy, too, cuz. She's like, if we travel, then no pod.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no. Because if he goes away, we have proven work.

[Melissa Ford]

Work is work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. Y'all proven that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't say something.

[Queens Flip]

He just got triggered.

[Joe Budden]

Said, y'all proven that.

[Queens Flip]

He just got triggered.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad to see everybody in the good mood.

[Ian]

Hold that in.

[Queens Flip]

Hold that in. Try my best real quick. I have an issue, not with you and not with everybody, but I feel like the audience and people up here are not willing to teach. Mel is the only one. I say that because a lot of times when they write about the questions that I ask, they go, I can't believe Queen asks stupid questions. Not knowing that I'm really learning in real time. And I just been secluded in life. I just been in my own world. So I come up here, I want to learn them in the cup.

[Parks]

You asked some interesting questions.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But then you asked, yo, you know.

[Melissa Ford]

Jay Z started Rockefeller with Biggs and Dame together.

[Queens Flip]

That's dumb. But what I'm saying, the questions I asked, because when I read it after they post, it's like, damn, that does sound crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That is stupid. You just gotta remember that most of the audience is licensed. If you remember that one little tidbit that most of them have a license.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, Joe. You know, Joe, you could. I learned in real time a lot of shit. I just like, oh, word. I just been in my own world, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you're not up here to learn. You up here to work. That's like, if I go buy a Red Bull and fucking Gatorade come out. It's like you are just. Just be some energy jumping and then chill. You ain't gotta. You guys. So I have a question for you. You ask more questions than that.

[Queens Flip]

I do do that. Stupid. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Here's a question for you. What year did Coca Cola sell more than Pepsi?

[Parks]

Be like, questions a kid asks you.

[Queens Flip]

And does he do.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like this pod. If we was all just like left back Joe has.

[Queens Flip]

Not that if we got Joe. Can't tell your man that.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not talking to you.

[Melissa Ford]

All of us.

[Joe Budden]

There's no iron team. It's all of us. Like, if all of us got on the short dollar van. The short one, but it was yellow.

[Parks]

And we got to school that way.

[Joe Budden]

They stayed in the same classroom in the trailer in the back and ate pizza.

[Queens Flip]

Get your laptop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. I'm not laughing.

[Queens Flip]

I want to thank you for taking your time to help me, ma'am. And I'm on your case a lot, but you help me and there's times.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where you do ask some very thought provoking questions.

[Queens Flip]

Thank you, ma'am.

[Joe Budden]

You know, you do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shooting you somehow.

[Ian]

Yeah, you know, I try the funny part.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's why she's so funny. Because you help her in real life, like, with all her pontifications, so she.

[Parks]

Has no problem answering.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. In real life, you are a child. Solid source of info for her.

[Queens Flip]

But in pod life.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. In pod life, she's.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, one time I was watching something, I asked a question. I saw a male face. I'm like, dad, was that dumb? I was like, huh? She tried to play it off. You got to watch these cameras.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My bad.

[Joe Budden]

So ladies out there, don't try to change the rules. Next month they will. Valentine's Day is indeed Valentine's Day.

[Parks]

A day.

[Melissa Ford]

One day.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all are getting fancy because it falls on a Friday this year. Oh, Lord. And you're trying to turn it into Valentine's Weekend. Weekend. Which only existed when we was running out to the Poconos back in the day to get the room with the.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

With the heart bathtub. And we do the little ski thing. That's when it was Valentine weekend. But that's over with. Yeah, y'all are getting shit. Y'all might have to get to Thursday.

[Parks]

It's really a half day because everyone works. You know what I mean?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then the 15th is side chick day.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you never gonna beat the allegations.

[Ian]

Oh, shit. Stop.

[Queens Flip]

Mel Gibson coming on.

[Erickson]

Hey, you got a delivery.

[Queens Flip]

Second side chick Sunday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I Heard it up here. I heard it.

[Ian]

I learned don't forget side chick Saturday.

[Queens Flip]

Don't accept any gifts that come on Saturday.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, he had to work Friday, so he gonna take out Saturday.

[Joe Budden]

But when I wake up Saturday, Valentine's Day is over.

[Melissa Ford]

Over for sure.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't that shit that y'all trying to do. So what are we about to do? No, not about to do nothing but watch Law and Order like we normally do.

[Melissa Ford]

Girl, it's All Star Weekend.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, well, he took that shit. He doing some shit I already know. He gonna propose on Valentine.

[Ian]

It could be rose petals on the floor.

[Queens Flip]

He gonna propose on Valentine? I can't wait, wait. Look at this, Joe. Look, we got him. He gonna propose on Valentine.

[Ian]

He ain't gonna do that.

[Joe Budden]

Why not?

[Ian]

He too smooth for that.

[Joe Budden]

Because I can't.

[Queens Flip]

That's cool.

[Melissa Ford]

That's too cliche. Yeah, for him a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

I can't figure out when all the people that I want to perform are supposed to perform during my reception. When are they supposed to perform? No, I'm serious. I want fucking Kim.

[Queens Flip]

Lil Kim.

[Ian]

Big dog, you never beat.

[Queens Flip]

Allegations you never beat.

[Melissa Ford]

He don't want. He don't want no. No disrespect. He don't want little kid, magic stick.

[Queens Flip]

They got enough.

[Melissa Ford]

Big mama things come down the alley.

[Queens Flip]

Used to be scared of the dick. Who was?

[Ian]

What do you think?

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about?

[Queens Flip]

Who was. I'm sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

He don't know who that is.

[Queens Flip]

Is it a band? No, no, it's one named Kim. Is he a singer?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ian]

Is he talented? Yes.

[Parks]

No. He's got bums at his wedding.

[Queens Flip]

Right, right, right. But it could be a friend. He could just be doing. Remember earlier he said, y'all like what.

[Joe Budden]

You put friends on?

[Melissa Ford]

Not having no friend perform at his wedding.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, sorry. I was just gonna show him who Kim was. He sings the song Love Calls.

[Melissa Ford]

He don't know that song.

[Ian]

He'll know when you hear it. Any old school radio station, they play Kim from like 3:00 to, like 6:00.

[Melissa Ford]

Music that Flip has been listening to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Okay.

[Queens Flip]

Told you I did.

[Joe Budden]

No, you didn't. This Ben stopped being a music part, though, so it's okay.

[Queens Flip]

Are you in contact with this guy.

[Joe Budden]

Now? We gotta let it rock for a little bit. Sorry. Yeah, I promise. Y'all we starting this part at some point. Not really.

[Parks]

Right. They don't need our analysis on Donald Trump.

[Ian]

We ain't got shit to talk about right now.

[Queens Flip]

Sounds good.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Flip, think that this is a Demo artist.

[Ian]

This guy's got a bright future.

[Joe Budden]

He might go somewhere.

[Melissa Ford]

Somebody should sign him.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna give you the whole clip, and then we gonna get back to talking about nothing. Holy up out there. Yeah, I need this with a live band in my wedding. You crazy.

[Corey]

So let love have its way with your heart when love calls Love calls.

[Joe Budden]

Love calls your name oh, my God.

[Queens Flip]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, I see.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, that's the vibe I need. I need Tank.

[Melissa Ford]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

I need Joe.

[Parks]

Who's the band gonna be? Like Robert Glasper or some shit.

[Joe Budden]

Who's what?

[Parks]

Who's the band gonna be? Robert Glasper or some shit.

[Joe Budden]

Robert Glass. 1500.

[Parks]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, something. Something like that. I need all of the flies singing Alex Eisley. Y'all.

[Melissa Ford]

Get some Sean Stockton in there.

[Joe Budden]

Alex Eisley. Oh, yeah. Boys to men on bending knee. Boys to men on bended knee. Let's go. I want that type of vibe at my.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So all week, I've been thinking about. Yo, when is that supposed to happen?

[Queens Flip]

Good question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, what other female vocalists would you want?

[Parks]

It depends on how. How many tamiya you can do it after the. Like, the little first dance and all that. After the dinner, the first thing that you bring out. Boys to Men. Or you could do that. Like the climax you do at the end of the.

[Joe Budden]

No, but all of that music is kind of like. You could break it up slow. Like, I like.

[Melissa Ford]

I like.

[Joe Budden]

I like at the wedding when it's party time. Like when it. When they about to play the. So maybe during the food.

[Melissa Ford]

That's.

[Parks]

That's why you do it early.

[Melissa Ford]

And then nobody party.

[Parks]

Then you turn up and then maybe you end it with Boys to Men or something like that.

[Queens Flip]

Or someone. Yeah.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah. That's not a bad idea.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm on Lenny Crabbing. I want a bunch of performing. Cisco. Yeah. Beauty. I need Drew Hill singing Beauty at my.

[Queens Flip]

This gonna be a concert.

[Parks]

Yeah. Festival.

[Joe Budden]

And the lady's gonna be in my. Hopefully. Right, babe? Right, babe?

[Ian]

I was gonna ask you, do you invite old work there?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I said the ladies. I didn't say nothing about old work. That's not the same work to your funeral.

[Ian]

What I heard ladies, that's.

[Melissa Ford]

I'll be your funeral.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was like a.

[Joe Budden]

It really was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, I just met beautiful women.

[Queens Flip]

Do Sade. Go over your list.

[Joe Budden]

They don't have to be old work of mine. I just mean beautiful women.

[Ian]

Got you. I'm surprised.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to be nowhere where it's not beautiful. Women, honestly, that's real. Just as a rule of thumb in.

[Queens Flip]

Life, do y'all both go over the invitation list? Like, say if you have yours individually and she has hers individually. Do y'all both cross examine each other's list?

[Joe Budden]

Or is more like anything that I'd say is speculation. I've never gone through it.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

To answer what it has, you make.

[Parks]

A list and you double check each other's shit so you don't forget nobody.

[Melissa Ford]

And make sure y'all ain't got the same person over here.

[Parks]

Oh, you got to make a, a, a, a list.

[Queens Flip]

So what if the person say, I don't want this person there.

[Parks]

You have a conversation about it, then.

[Ian]

You need to have a conversation.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Ian]

You better have a good argument for why you want that person there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Or why you don't.

[Ian]

Or why you don't. Right?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz my girl going to be keeping people out of there for the dumbest of reason. I seen that one real. That posted. She think I didn't see. That's about me. It's like, oh my God. All right, baby, you got answer. All right. She can't come. No one jokes to them.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, she's coming with her, man.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know how she got. I. I said I didn't send her the invite. I don't know how she got.

[Ian]

I don't know how she got here. She's a plus one.

[Joe Budden]

Cory plus one. Cory got 20 plus four, right. Cory and Keno got gotta blame it on the dogs.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, y'all ain't gonna lie, man. Wherever you go to get your tux or whatever, I'm going. I got to look good for your wedding, son.

[Joe Budden]

Then that part, like, I got to be slim. Like, I got to be slim.

[Parks]

The tux hides a little bit though.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I got my looking like ghosts. Ghost. Ghost suits. I got to be slim. The wedding just seemed like. It just seemed like a lot.

[Parks]

It's not as bad as it sounds like.

[Ian]

Yeah, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

But I had a great time at every wedding I've gone to. With the exception of. With the exception of a few. I had a great time. Like Zaire. Oh my God, Beautiful. I was just telling somebody the other day, all them loving hip hop weddings I've been to. Absolutely. Fire. Like real fire. Safari. Yeah, yeah. That was the old trick when they get married in love of hip hop so they could get some of the money. Smart. But yeah, Safari fire over there. Expensive Kimbella jewels. Fire over here. I was at a wedding on Couples therapy. I was the best man. Yeah, you were of, like, a transgender wedding. Yeah.

[Ian]

Oh. How'd you become the best man?

[Joe Budden]

She asked me.

[Queens Flip]

Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

I always say your wedding was probably the most fun. I've had that away. I've been to quite a few, but.

[Queens Flip]

I heard a lot of great things about you.

[Joe Budden]

This was lit.

[Melissa Ford]

That lasted for what, two days?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Ian]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't been thinking about it for ease. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes. You ain't gotta look away.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ian]

But think about it hard.

[Parks]

Been shopping.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Perusing.

[Parks]

Carrie.

[Queens Flip]

I'm going to your wedding, too.

[Ian]

Of course you are.

[Joe Budden]

My dog. Been to that. David Yurman.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, wait.

[Joe Budden]

You'll love David's bridal.

[Queens Flip]

Both part members can't get married in the same year.

[Parks]

Why?

[Melissa Ford]

Why not?

[Queens Flip]

It's a lot of weddings.

[Parks]

So let's be fun.

[Queens Flip]

I'm recycling. More time off recycling.

[Joe Budden]

So, no, I ain't getting married this year. I already ate the tax. Tax nut for this year.

[Ian]

The only advice I would give next.

[Joe Budden]

Year, I'm gonna be prepared.

[Ian]

That's real.

[Joe Budden]

Next year, I'll be ready. Y'all got that off this year. But next year, I'm coming strapped up state, too. Yeah, I always trap when I'm in the club. All right, all right, all right, all right. It's Friday. Time for prospects.

[Parks]

Almost there.

[Melissa Ford]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, otherwise, it ain't really too much important up there, so I'm just gonna continue to have a good time. Anybody else think that this ASAP Rocky trial is getting a little bit spooky?

[Melissa Ford]

I think it's very spooky.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. Cause Ice was just saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. The main defense, from what I was reading before, was they were saying it was a starter pistol. It doesn't actually fire. He. It's like a fake gun that he carries, but he has legally owned weapons at home. And I'm like, okay, if that's your defense and you can prove that that's not a real pistol, great. But then I saw pictures that they recovered the shells and they matched them to a real gun that he owns. That he owns. Now, that's tricky now because your starter pistol defense is out the window. This is the gun. It was a real gun that was fired.

[Ian]

So it was matched to his gun or just that type of gun.

[Melissa Ford]

What I read was matched to his gun.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Melissa Ford]

The gun that was registered to him.

[Ian]

That's tough.

[Melissa Ford]

It's very tough.

[Parks]

That's bad.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And again, like I said, when he. His. His reason for not taking the plea I still don't understand that part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Same.

[Melissa Ford]

I just don't get that because I. If your lawyer's telling you, you know, we can beat it, that's one thing. But if you're saying, I just don't want to take that plea because I'll lose brand deals and it'll mess up, I can't tour, those are your reasons.

[Joe Budden]

This is where I'm conflicted with this. Because I assume him to have all of the resources and all of the money and the lawyers in the world, I would imagine. Yeah, right. I put that there by default.

[Melissa Ford]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

So that to me would mean he's getting some great legal. Legal advice. Watching from the outside, it does not appear that way at all. Even if there was a 1% chance of you being guilty, they offered you six months versus 24 years. Your explanation of it being it's going to be a career ender. As if the 24 years is not a career.

[Melissa Ford]

And that was my point.

[Joe Budden]

Like it's six months versus 24 years max.

[Melissa Ford]

Is it the three year probation that you feel. Cause I know a lot of people, you know, you feel like probation is a trap. And when, especially when you have a long probation term, it's like, dog, it's set up for me to violate at some point and go back three years.

[Parks]

Ain'T that bad, bro. Especially if I would imagine if you have young kids, like, I can just chill and be a dad for three years. Fuck me, right?

[Ian]

And you're rich.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, you've been chilling out of the limelight for a minute now.

[Parks]

Facts.

[Queens Flip]

Maybe he wants a better deal or he's hoping for a better deal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was a really good deal.

[Joe Budden]

And you're black still.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And a rapper, sorry to say.

[Joe Budden]

And no, that matters. And you're famous. Let's say famous because rapper sounds reasonable.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but no. From the perspective of the jury, who might just have a very stereotypical way of looking at rappers. Exactly. At rappers.

[Joe Budden]

Then the jury is all white.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So that's why your rapper applies here.

[Joe Budden]

You're a rapper. It's tone deaf to me from him.

[Melissa Ford]

Or is. Is it maybe.

[Joe Budden]

And he's proven. And, and, and, and part of a lot of people's issue with him originally was his stance publicly as it, as it pertained to black matters.

[Melissa Ford]

Mm, I forgot about that.

[Parks]

I did too.

[Queens Flip]

I forgot about that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I never did. I never did. Because it's important. It's. It's important to remember who you are and where you are. So now it relates. You. You establish a Pattern where that train of thought could be harmful to where you're not cognizant. All of those years ago on that red carpet when they asked you and you was like, oh, dog. Real insensitive. He came off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He did very.

[Joe Budden]

And now it's like, okay, you don't know it. Not only do you not know any better, but. But the thinking now is more so harmful for you and nobody else. You are the person that's gonna wear these consequences. So in LA Guns Famous, it ain't really added up to be pretty fuss.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it hasn't.

[Joe Budden]

All of these things that I'm saying are reasons why six months, you should probably jump at it.

[Melissa Ford]

Unless your lawyer got you thinking the Rihanna card is going to work.

[Ian]

The Rihanna card is why you got six months.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Or unless there's some loophole that he's aware of that we're not.

[Ian]

That's what I want. It's one of two things to me. Either they said, look, the State is offering six months. If they're offering you six months on something that has alternative of 24 months. 24 years. 24 years. Excuse me. They got a weak case. Right. And that's why they offer you. They don't offer you six months unless they got a weak case. But from what I'm hearing, you say the physical evidence is now there and that changes that. The other thing is maybe he's hard headed. Maybe the lawyers are like, please take this six months. And he's just like, no, I've seen that happen where guys are looking at a terrible set of charges and they say I'm going to fight it at trial. And I see a lot of guys get 20 and 30 years when they could have got 1, 2, 3 years because they don't listen to their lawyers. He could be that guy. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I see a lot of those rappers go to jail and then start talking about bad counsel. Yep.

[Ian]

Every time.

[Melissa Ford]

Start talking about their lawyer. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I just think we've seen it too many times. He's playing a dangerous game. Good luck to him.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Real word, good luck to him. But. But the optics of it. I wouldn't roll those dice, man.

[Ian]

I took it six months so fast.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't roll those dice. Especially if you tell me there's a video of me, of me doing it.

[Parks]

Yeah. And shell casings in the article was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There like a defense's counter to that did it. I'm just wondering if it. I haven't seen it because, you know, we talked about discovery, you know, and so the Defense knows that they had this evidence. So I'm just wondering what their counter to this would have been. I have no clue.

[Ian]

And they might be holding that for a while.

[Joe Budden]

We go find Meg Cunliffe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is she there?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you know she there.

[Ian]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

No, she's there. She's there. She's getting.

[Melissa Ford]

Meg with the Bob is always there, man.

[Joe Budden]

Meg with the Bob. Ew. The phone won't vibrate. I mean, ring. Get out of here. That's how early I be going to sleep Now. I gotta put my phone on ring in case somebody call me or text me. I put that shit over there at 7 o'clock and be like, I got.

[Melissa Ford]

My to go to sleep mode. And only a select few people can get through. Anybody else do. You will go to voicemail. I'll deal with you all tomorrow. Say, don't play that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Prayers.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know.

[Ian]

Yeah, I wish him luck.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't. I don't.

[Ian]

I wish him luck.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't get this.

[Queens Flip]

What can you say? You know, we just have to see how it plays out and that's it. I think that I was on probation five years and it was hard for me. So I know what it's like to not want to be on probation. And you come to a point where.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What was the hardest part of it?

[Queens Flip]

Well, I'm in the middle, right? Because I was also arrogant, extremely arrogant.

[Joe Budden]

Back in the day.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, still, I was extremely arrogant. So my mother worked for the mayor's office. I do what I want. That type of attitude walking in there. They got me waiting all day. I don't want to wait all day. I don't do drugs. You keep on the drug testing.

[Melissa Ford]

I was just getting ready to say that.

[Queens Flip]

You keep on the piss test. So you're doing it intentionally. But then when you sit down and you analyze it in retrospect, I realize that come to a realization that they only did that because I was being a dick. Because there's plenty of times I could have called them and had a conversation with them or just, you know. But it's always. I guess it's always us against them.

[Melissa Ford]

I think it was a little easier. Like you said, you don't smoke and drink. That's a real big part of it. A lot of niggas, whether they want to admit it or not, it's a lie. The niggas addicted to weed, but they make you sometimes don't think they could be addicted to it. Niggas are addicted to weed to be dicks.

[Queens Flip]

They'll make you, make you check in bi weekly. You got to come in bi weekly no matter where you at. Then it's monthly. And there's some cool ones will let you check in once a year. Like it's just depending on my phone. Yeah, or by phone. Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

But see, all of that shit that comes with being a criminal, it took me two seconds to go through it, to figure out I didn't want to be a criminal. I was on probation, if that's what it was. Or maybe it was pre trial probation. Some. Some where I had to check in with somebody over there on Newark Avenue once a week or bi weekly when I was 20 something, or maybe in my teens. That wasn't fun.

[Queens Flip]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

You tell me you can't leave the city.

[Queens Flip]

Not at all.

[Melissa Ford]

I did the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

Go in there, piss. Hey, if I'm in a bad mood, it don't matter what that, what your piss do. If I'm in a bad mood, I'll just book you myself. True. So play with me if you want.

[Queens Flip]

He's right.

[Joe Budden]

Answer your phone when I call you. Like all of that? Oh, this type of scrutiny. No siree. You can have that one. Man, my first time going to jail, two seconds in the bullpen. Oh, this ain't cute.

[Ian]

Nah, this is the worst.

[Parks]

That's just terrible.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing cute about this. Even the bailout. The bailout? I was in there for nine hours getting processed up. Don't want to do this again. Nope, nope.

[Parks]

It took one time every other week for.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, it took one time. Woke up, stretched, saw where I was and was like, what the fuck? I'm locked up now. You gotta make that phone call and all?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, took me about three times, but.

[Ian]

The last one was the worst. One time I was. One time I got locked up in a holding cell with a boy. It's when you get the heroin, dude, that's the worst. First of all, you get locked up on a Saturday, you're not coming home to Monday. And I remember being at 55th and Pound, Westfield, and I got locked up with a white boy who got picked up by heroin. And by the nighttime, he's going through withdrawal. Oh my God. And the cell don't get bigger?

[Queens Flip]

No, it doesn't. I mean, they start throwing up, doing a whole bunch of shit.

[Ian]

That's all he kept doing, was throwing up.

[Queens Flip]

Nasty.

[Ian]

Oh my. I was like, never. The toilet seat covered in shit. He throwing up in the other corner. All I kept. I was like, yeah, I'm good. I'm never Committing a crime again.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. The only thing worse than being locked up, being in the bullpen. Well, with the heroin dude is being in the bullpen with the heroin dude and the thug. They don't understand heroin dude. Yo, don't. I'm telling you, don't throw up in here, money. It's gonna be bad for you. I'm telling you. Yo, yo, throw up in here if you want. I'm telling you, use that toilet if you want. It's gonna be bad for you.

[Queens Flip]

Don't take a shit, dog.

[Joe Budden]

He's gonna throw up a lot. Yeah, for the night. And you just gonna have to do it right.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I heard that one, too. That don't take.

[Queens Flip]

Don't take a. None of you better take a sit in here.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody better take a. In here. Oh, I ate McDonald's. Guess what? I got arrested at McDonald's. They locked me up off the double cheeseburger, Double quarter pound. Yeah. No, there's one. One time. Most times for me, my first time as a teenager, going outside to deal some drugs. All right. All the drug dealers got the hot fresh Jordans and clothes on.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You won't get you.

[Joe Budden]

Let me pick a block and go out there, stand outside for a little bit by myself with a little jacket on. Man, I ain't know what time got popping out there. I was out there just standing there looking stupid. And I was loaned and it wasn't my block.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah. Damn.

[Joe Budden]

The other came on lunch.

[Melissa Ford]

You quick.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, man, you can't do that here. Like, okay, my bad. The 11 of y'all knew everybody had a block already.

[Queens Flip]

I didn't see that in the handbook.

[Parks]

My bad.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't see the map. That's my fault.

[Joe Budden]

Standing on my blog ain't gonna get it done. Ain't shit over there.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm gonna go back home. Y'all got it.

[Joe Budden]

I was in Jersey City when the fucking blood first came over there. Everybody was trying to be down. I was like. I inquired. I ain't quiet up there on Monticello or Ocean, wherever I was at. Hey, what's up, man?

[Melissa Ford]

We gotta do.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We gonna run over here, stab this. Then we gonna run over here at 3:00, shoot at these buildings in Montgomery. I was like, you know what? Nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Parks]

Let's try this rap.

[Ian]

You're right.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, I'm cool on that, man. Hey, but shout out to everybody getting how you live.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, get it.

[Melissa Ford]

How you live it took that and your man Beans.

[Ian]

Yo, what's Your life like, man.

[Melissa Ford]

I say all the time.

[Ian]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

Audio scan, straight work like a charm.

[Ian]

Push right, push right. Toilet Saw it. He was good.

[Melissa Ford]

I had to Google that. I didn't know what the that was. I didn't like the way he said it right then when I found out.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you let go of arse waist. And when Googled.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Ian]

Oh, I was gonna cook you earlier about that.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, Let go, little bro. You let little bro. Chill. Went to go.

[Ian]

Did y'all see that photo float?

[Parks]

Yes, of course.

[Melissa Ford]

Of course. He had a whole segment on it.

[Joe Budden]

Did you see ice floating in it? Big head, ass. You think this dome box.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, I put a worst one up. I made it my profile picture. Yeah. Last night. How old was I? I c. Ask my mother about it. She said my brother was nine months in that picture, which made me four.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Scared his ass straight. Oh, and then that shout out to the niggas out there. That went to Scared Straight. I've been to Scared Straight at, like, three different jails.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Three different iterations. The one where they couldn't touch you, the one where they could touch you, and the one where they threw your sneaker across the auditorium. I've been to all them. Shit.

[Melissa Ford]

Nope, I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

They didn't work.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

They didn't work.

[Ian]

They worked on some people. I remember my class. They didn't work on me neither. But some people come back crying and sniffling, especially the ones where they could touch you, because some of them guys would take it a little too far. They wouldn't just, like, swipe at you. They start grabbing them, pull them to the bars, hitting them. And do they still allow that? Do they still allow people to do that? No.

[Melissa Ford]

When I was driving, truck driving. Excuse me. I had to deliver to Sing Sing and to Southwoods. That was more Scared Straight for me as an adult. I was like, oh, shit. One day. Oh, man. Funny story. So Sing Sing, they wear green. Our uniforms were green.

[Sion]

Uh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Ian]

Oh.

[Melissa Ford]

Nobody told me. It was written on a paperwork. When you come to Sing Sing, do not wear green. I didn't know. It's not my normal route. So I'm running up there, I do the delivery.

[Parks]

They locked you up?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, nah.

[Melissa Ford]

So the way it works is you gotta give the. You gotta give like, they. You get escorted. They walk your truck down to the dock, whatever. When I come out, I usually jog to my truck so I can get the.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, get out of there.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. That's what I'm Saying, yes, I'm with you.

[Parks]

Especially there. Yeah, yeah, right.

[Joe Budden]

So imagine jogged through his car.

[Melissa Ford]

So now imagine me wearing green, running, jogging to the truck to jump in the truck and pull off real fast.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Melissa Ford]

The guard was like, yo, my man, first off, you're not supposed to have that on. Second, you running out here, you could have got shot. And you was pointing at the towers. I was like, oh, dawg, can I. I just want to go.

[Queens Flip]

You good.

[Melissa Ford]

I went back to them. Yo, I don't give a fuck. I ain't never going to none of the prisons. Y'all good.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all got it. I feel you. That's a short season of Prison Break. 20 minute, 20 minute season premiere and.

[Melissa Ford]

Finale that I'm cool. Salute to everybody behind the wall. You know for sure, that's.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Now shout out to y'all, it's free to wave. Free. The way big male's supposed to be getting that JP from these. They lucky. They lucky.

[Melissa Ford]

If you was a girl, you, you, you have them.

[Parks]

Better than only fans, right?

[Joe Budden]

If I was a girl. If I wasn't famous. Hey, what's my man out there today accusing the gay baiting. What's my man name? Super cool dude. So I ain't gonna talk bad about him. That's my man, super polite. Real good dude. The light skinned dude with the curly hair that keep coming out with the songs. That's for gay people. And he just put a picture out with his fucking drawers down with his shirt up. You talking about Nle Nle Chopper. Nle Chopper. They say, my man, it's gay, baby. And he is. And he is. But wait a bit. Doing it though.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he hasn't.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Melissa Ford]

He switched at some point and took it that way when he caught that record, I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

That record. Oh yeah, two years ago.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying he's been. He's had a career for longer than.

[Joe Budden]

Longer. Oh, no, no, no. And again, I've met him at some whatever summer jam I went to. Super Cool Mad Polite. Please don't think that I'm talking down on Emily Choppa. I am not.

[Melissa Ford]

I wouldn't like. I would not.

[Joe Budden]

I am not. I would not do that. I fuck with him. Me too. But he's definitely gay baiting. And he was doing that for two years when that record, when that record popped.

[Queens Flip]

Gay baiting or gay trolling? It's two different.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, it's the same thing.

[Queens Flip]

Gay trolling is pretending to be gay in order to get the attention no, he's a troll to get the attention in the.

[Joe Budden]

He's not saying he's gay.

[Melissa Ford]

He's not pretending to be gay.

[Joe Budden]

He never said he was gay.

[Parks]

He's just making content that the gays might enjoy.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, it's a gay baiting. Yeah, Bread making with gay trolls. I remember that.

[Joe Budden]

He hit that lick at all the gay shows with that record.

[Melissa Ford]

And this was around the time when was that.

[Joe Budden]

All the festivals with that gay record.

[Melissa Ford]

I think it was. They tried to book Boosie, if I'm not mistaken. And he. It was a big thing because he turned it down. I'm not doing no gay shows. And then right after that, dude was.

[Joe Budden]

Like, oh, I am. Sign me up.

[Queens Flip]

A gay record.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not a. No, it's not a gay record.

[Joe Budden]

And that's not nice to say it's a gay record.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not that Nelly.

[Queens Flip]

Really.

[Parks]

It's just a record that they may enjoy.

[Ian]

They gay people. Like.

[Melissa Ford]

Right then he just leaned in a little bit and a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

He did not lean in a little bit.

[Melissa Ford]

He leaned in a lot of bit.

[Joe Budden]

He leaned in a lot.

[Melissa Ford]

He leaned all the way.

[Joe Budden]

What do you want him to do? If he's making more money, more money than he ever made, making this type of music and taking these types of pictures than he did before when he was doing whatever.

[Melissa Ford]

And get away with it. Ghetto bait and get away with it.

[Ian]

Facts. That's fact.

[Joe Budden]

Big freeze.

[Melissa Ford]

And we don't say nothing about it. So the alternative, he could be out here knocking people upside the head, robbing them. And so he found a lane to get his money. Let him get his money. He ain't hurting nobody. Let him get his bread.

[Joe Budden]

You lucky I'm retired, boy. I'd be on his ass. Hey, them gay baiters gotta have some competition, too. Now he got a whole lane too, just by himself. Chilling.

[Parks]

Best move.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Ever since Kid Cudi got engaged. Was good right there. Kid Cuddy tried to sneak that in there. My fiance. Hey, when you got proposed to.

[Ian]

Wow. Wow.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't got to.

[Melissa Ford]

How he. Why he do the proposal?

[Ian]

He said, when you got proposed to, you ain't.

[Parks]

You ain't at all subconsciously.

[Joe Budden]

Not sure. I didn't. That was a mistake.

[Melissa Ford]

But I told y'all how that whole story ran.

[Joe Budden]

He gotta know. He gotta stop with that story. They tried to. They were looting. What are they saying? You know, I was being stalk. You ain't had a slap in about 23 years. Talking about I'm being Stalked. No, you wasn't. I was being. I'm being stalked is the new. I was hacked, right? Oh, you know. You know, money. You know, Duke. All right, y'all, it's time.

[Parks]

No, we got.

[Ian]

Listen. Oh, man.

[Queens Flip]

He tried to get that off, too. He tried to get it off.

[Joe Budden]

It worked for a little bit.

[Melissa Ford]

It worked.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that aggressive on the. On. On the text when run out of.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, bro.

[Queens Flip]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

And now it's time for my favorite part of the show. Prize picks.

[Melissa Ford]

Hell yeah. Shout out to them.

[Joe Budden]

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[Melissa Ford]

Whatever the category is more.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever he wants. I'm going more. And say quan. 100 rush yards. Give me A.J. brown for more than 70 receiving yards. Just pick a Chiefs receiver. Who are they? Receivers. I meant to come in here a couple weeks ago and talk about how slow Travis Kelsey looked.

[Parks]

Still get it off though, is he? He does a little slow. His little juke move.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. On the route.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But just in terms of being mobile.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He looks. He's deteriorated pretty quick. Like fast. Give me Kelsey for more than five yards. Kelsey should get more than five receiving yards. Give me Pat Mahomes for more than 210 pass yards.

[Melissa Ford]

A free pick.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. He's the Free pick. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Point five.

[Joe Budden]

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[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to prospects.

[Joe Budden]

Gang, gang. Hold it down.

[Melissa Ford]

Gang.

[Joe Budden]

Hold it down. I got a jewelry question for y'all. At some point, we'll talk about Tabitha Brown and all the rest of the topics that y'all have on the board.

[Queens Flip]

And. And the big woman that was. That's suing Lyft right now because of her size. Be careful.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't say nothing, bro.

[Queens Flip]

You see the picture of her?

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead, Joe. Jury question. I'm not playing. I ain't playing with you.

[Joe Budden]

Flip.

[Melissa Ford]

I get me lined up.

[Queens Flip]

Shout out to her.

[Joe Budden]

Would y'all judge me if I went and got. Got a piece made that was like a bracelet with different lengths draped down into two rings as like a handpiece?

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, my God.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Melissa Ford]

1,000%.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes. You taking this print shit a little too far.

[Ian]

I will clown you every time I saw you.

[Melissa Ford]

Every single time.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Parks]

What's the dude from 300?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is sassy.

[Parks]

The androgynous experience.

[Joe Budden]

But why? Why would you.

[Ian]

Sassy is the right word.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's sassy.

[Joe Budden]

So y'all will clown me because it's sassy?

[Ian]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm gonna clown.

[Joe Budden]

That's the only reason.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian]

That's good enough.

[Queens Flip]

All right.

[Ian]

That's not enough.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all.

[Melissa Ford]

Trying to be a trendsetter.

[Parks]

Now you try to gay bait, too.

[Queens Flip]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I come from the days where rappers had pieces that were iconic to them in their mo.

[Melissa Ford]

Get a piece, though.

[Parks]

You can do something a little different.

[Joe Budden]

That is a piece.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, don't, don't, don't go get no bracelet connected to no rings. Don't do that. You're going to be out here doing the yayo and.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

Get your ass out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Belly button her ring. What you say?

[Queens Flip]

Waist beads on your ass.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, she. She on your ass.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't shot at Mel. All part.

[Parks]

There's still time.

[Joe Budden]

There is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a lot of time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't think I have nothing to shoot at Mel about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, way speeds are not shooting, you know, it helps you keep your, you know, your waistline intact. You know, I don't think that's true.

[Ian]

That's not what they do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not what they do.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yes. I can do what you do.

[Ian]

Keeps your weight. What?

[Joe Budden]

There it goes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You do what I can do.

[Joe Budden]

I can do what you did.

[Queens Flip]

It's oic.

[Joe Budden]

You can't go. It.

[Ian]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

But you know it's there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the. Did you guys make up a song?

[Melissa Ford]

Everywhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God.

[Parks]

They gotta take that shit. Watch.

[Melissa Ford]

They bite up.

[Queens Flip]

Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

700%.

[Joe Budden]

He said Averb on ozempic. He got the ozempic cheekbones.

[Queens Flip]

That's our man Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. See, and that's why I don't do the loyalty thing.

[Queens Flip]

Cause people get sensitive.

[Joe Budden]

That right there is another reason I do the lawyers.

[Queens Flip]

People get sensitive. When you talk about if my man.

[Joe Budden]

Come in here with oic cheekbones, I want to be able to say, hey, hey, my brother.

[Melissa Ford]

If that's my man's on your. That's who should make the joke.

[Joe Budden]

Onic cheekbones.

[Melissa Ford]

That is who should make the joke.

[Queens Flip]

On your big platform.

[Melissa Ford]

He on his platform with those limpic cheeks.

[Queens Flip]

I hear you, but Joe know that people get sensitive. People. That's cool with Joe.

[Melissa Ford]

Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Why if you don't. If you not on.

[Queens Flip]

But Mook did respond, say he loved Joe. Tell Joe I love him and stuff like that.

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

After Mooc. No, I love him. All that little fake mad for two weeks wasn't about nothing. Like, you know, the people that know.

[Queens Flip]

I love them know I love him.

[Joe Budden]

You're gonna feel away. You'll get over it and you'll say, that's my man. And I know he loved me and I love him. Oh, he did. I mean, we've got to come up here soon. Hey, Mook and Lux getting that corporate. Yeah, that corporate money.

[Queens Flip]

They are.

[Joe Budden]

They're gonna show you battle rappers how to do it.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Better than them, though.

[Joe Budden]

They getting that corporate. Two man trendsetters.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, if it were two battleless to do it, I wouldn't want it to be there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Who better shout out to Mook and Lux? I was supposed to get with Lux, but I slept walked the night before, so I had to put everything on. Hey, Lux, we gonna work it out, man. Slept walking. I had a rough little month, man. Don't worry. We gonna get to it. We gonna get to it, boy.

[Melissa Ford]

Slept walk the night before, so shit.

[Joe Budden]

Got a little trick.

[Melissa Ford]

Ask your jury question.

[Joe Budden]

I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that was it.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, that was.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, Flake or file question.

[Ian]

Well, let me ask y'all a jewelry question, hypothetically speaking.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Ian]

Is the two unmarried people here who might potentially are.

[Joe Budden]

Are you going to more than two unmarried people here?

[Ian]

Yeah, but you sure?

[Queens Flip]

You always tell you always.

[Ian]

I'm not sure there's three unmarried.

[Joe Budden]

There's more than two unmarried.

[Ian]

When you hear my question, you'll understand why I said two too.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

Unmarried men.

[Ian]

When you're. When. Fine. I'm assuming Mel's not. I'm talking about ring shopping. So I'm assuming Mel's not gonna be shopping for a dude's ring. That's why I was saying money enough. That was my question. Like, are y'all gonna consult with y'all significant others when y'all do this jewelry?

[Melissa Ford]

I already know. I already know what she wants. I know.

[Ian]

She already told me.

[Parks]

You gotta know.

[Melissa Ford]

We know all of that.

[Parks]

You gotta know.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

My girl's middle name is Shopify. Every day she's shopping for something. So she was sending me a picture.

[Ian]

So that's all I was going to tell you.

[Joe Budden]

Every single day.

[Ian]

Cuz every woman I know who has a ring where dude didn't consult. They hate it. They pretend they liked it, but they actually hate it.

[Queens Flip]

I think that's foul though too.

[Parks]

Why?

[Queens Flip]

I think it's F. B word. Appreciate it. Like, I think it's F. Yeah. I don't give a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you're soon to be. You're. You're soon to be betrothed is because she didn't like the shape of the.

[Queens Flip]

And in love. Not. Bitch in disrespect. Cause I love you and I'm gonna marry you. But be appreciative.

[Ian]

You're really not a sweet Napier.

[Queens Flip]

I'm tired of listen. And that's my problem. And I'm not shooting at anybody in my family. I'm tired of you getting something for somebody and act like they like it and then talk about it later on that they don't like it.

[Melissa Ford]

Would you rather them not like it?

[Queens Flip]

But communicate initially and what's the point of a surprise? Communicate. Yo, this is what I like. The problem is in the home, there is no communication in relationships. Communicate. This is what I like. This is what I don't like.

[Parks]

Think you're projecting.

[Ian]

No.

[Joe Budden]

No. I'm with him a little bit.

[Queens Flip]

No, my wife is a little bit. I am. My wife and I have an understanding now. Cause now. But in the beginning it hurts when you're trying to uphold the standard of being a husband at a young Age. And you just wanna. You watch these movies and shit, and you watch certain things, you wanna surprise. And then you find out that your surprise isn't warranted or I don't really like it, it bothers you. But now I know.

[Melissa Ford]

Now I know.

[Queens Flip]

I understand. Cause it took time. But when you're trying to surprise somebo, they don't like it, or they bring this back or want to bring it back. It takes maturity to get over that.

[Ian]

But not for a ring.

[Melissa Ford]

To me, I'm not saying that comes off a little selfish. I'm selfish because part of the surprise is knowing the person. Like, I buy. I get surprises for my girl all the time. I know her. Like my hand has it a surprise. I bought in there that she felt no type, like, not even on a. Telling me later that I ain't really like I know her.

[Queens Flip]

You're also a talker. You're also a communicator. You're great with communication. A lot of times when you're working and you're moving around, you may not have the time to communicate. You do have the time to communicate, but you may not put the extra effort in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, you should.

[Ian]

You got to when you have to, though.

[Queens Flip]

And I agree what you said.

[Ian]

You loved it, though. You loved that.

[Queens Flip]

Of course, I had to learn after exactly getting my feelings hurt, I had to learn when you want to surprise somebody, you see something like, I think this will look nice on my wife. I think this will look nice on my girl. I like it. Then you get it. And maybe they may feel like, everybody got that I don't want it. Or they may feel however they feel about it. And a lot of times women change their emotion of what they like and what they don't like. My wife would tell me, y'all, I want these sneakers.

[Joe Budden]

Women's emotions are attached to the trends, and the Trends change every 10 years.

[Queens Flip]

Talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

So now there's a new style of ring. That's right. And he's right.

[Queens Flip]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Freaking the wedding dress asses. Now we want homeboy in Africa that's putting the diamonds on everything.

[Queens Flip]

They may like something, and then it may take you a while to get it.

[Joe Budden]

And because of that, I already let shorty know, hey, I'm a. I'm. I'm a. You know, I give it up. So I'm gonna do it when it's wedding band time. Don't come give me that. That, that. The silver, the. That all the men wear the black. I never respectfully I never, never seen a man with a dope wedding band.

[Queens Flip]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Like, you're gonna get your wedding band soon. But like you that. That great great grandpa Bartholomew would wear that's made out of copper. Made from the dirt out here. And then. And then she get laced. Hell no. Turn your whole finger green, y'all. Don't be looking lit with y'all wedding band.

[Queens Flip]

Great grandpa never took the off his whole thing up.

[Joe Budden]

It's passed down from great great granddad. Look at Mark. Nah, lace me.

[Ian]

Oh, I like my simple. It's solid gold. It's not that.

[Joe Budden]

Lace me up.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going above and beyond. Wedding tank just finished singing and then you come give me some that's made out of brick.

[Ian]

But see, some people like parks.

[Queens Flip]

Did you want?

[Ian]

Did you want.

[Parks]

I picked my out. Yeah.

[Ian]

Yeah. I picked mine too.

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, let me pick mine. That's all you have? True. Let me pick. Let me pick mine.

[Melissa Ford]

That's really it. The same way she got the picture pick, right? Not really pick, but you know the ring that she wants. I think men we should be allowed.

[Joe Budden]

My better come with LEDs. Both diamonds real and more.

[Ian]

That fits you. That's exactly right. I want. I just wanted something simple. I said I want it to be high quality, but something simple.

[Melissa Ford]

My better connect to my phone.

[Joe Budden]

I need the app on my. Yeah, y'all want something low key to where the mistress can't really tell what it is. Like, right? Like y'all want something to where it won't really be a topic of conversation during the the cheat.

[Parks]

Y'all expect your. Your woman to buy the wedding band?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Ian]

Okay, I'm about to say y'all. Yes. Let me manage your expectations right now.

[Parks]

Y'all can do that together. You know, it's. It's not really.

[Ian]

That's what we did. We went out and bought bands together that wag Parks.

[Parks]

Why Even if.

[Queens Flip]

Even if you could do this.

[Parks]

Why I want the that I want and she wants the that she wants.

[Queens Flip]

So here's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, she better save up. Take your little Instagram subscription money.

[Queens Flip]

That's financial abuse. That's financial mockery.

[Joe Budden]

That's where my be stashing the money at, girl. Hey, go in there, pull it up.

[Queens Flip]

That's financial mockery.

[Melissa Ford]

He right. That's no.

[Joe Budden]

They be stashing.

[Melissa Ford]

They stash.

[Joe Budden]

They. They stashing in all these little sites.

[Queens Flip]

When you watch all the movies back in the days when niggas proposes. Pardon me. Yeah, they didn't go shopping. It was a surprise. You know what I'm talking about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's because it's a movie.

[Ian]

That's why I'm trying to tell you. Don't do that shit from the movies. It will fuck your shit up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, let me ask you a question. But you did say that some of the women that you know didn't like the wedding ring initially.

[Ian]

But when you think about it, they never like it.

[Queens Flip]

When you think about marriage, you think about going out being a man. Going out there and buying a ring for your wife so you can propose to her. An engagement ring.

[Melissa Ford]

So she should have no input in that.

[Queens Flip]

It's supposed to be. No, it's supposed to be a support.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's ridiculous.

[Queens Flip]

I'm gonna fry you up, man.

[Ian]

Flip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Flip.

[Queens Flip]

And I love you, Flip.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up.

[Melissa Ford]

Flip.

[Queens Flip]

I'll fry you up too, Mark. Then take it for Mel. And I love you too.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, Mark, think about it like flip. You could still surprise her. But no but just knowing what she likes, bro.

[Parks]

Ask her best friend or her sister or something. Get the right shit.

[Queens Flip]

We don't like them bitches neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It doesn't.

[Erickson]

We don't get along with them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know how you going to get.

[Parks]

Them to like you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't want them in our house.

[Joe Budden]

You know how you going to get.

[Ian]

Them to like you?

[Parks]

You know how you going to get them to like you?

[Joe Budden]

You guys.

[Ian]

You got it.

[Joe Budden]

The listeners are licensed. Just slow down.

[Parks]

But this is how you make a relationship with a sister or a friend that you don't like is say, hey, I'm thinking about doing this thing. I need some money.

[Melissa Ford]

He don't want to make that good. He don't like my.

[Queens Flip]

No, my shit good already.

[Ian]

I know we got to move on. I just want you to think about one thing. Imagine your wife buying you something that you have to wear for the rest of your life. That you have no input. Imagine if you had to wear a hat every single day or a pair of sneakers every single day that she picked that you had no input on. And for the next 60 years, got you. You gotta wear even if you think it's ugly.

[Queens Flip]

I understand everything you're saying.

[Joe Budden]

You know how many. If that happened, how many pizzas would you have to buy?

[Queens Flip]

You on my side, Joe. You just wanna play around to the oldest shit.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna have to keep them niggas off you if you get arrested with that type of ring on.

[Queens Flip]

Listen, I. Everything is good with me. I'm just saying. I Know that there's men out there that feel this way.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

Me, I'm trying to help you.

[Ian]

I'm trying to help y'all.

[Queens Flip]

Y'all talking to me like, nigga, I'm already in knee deep. Like, my whole body is deep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, enough of that. What they talking about?

[Parks]

Yeah, talk to a friend. Get the shit right.

[Ian]

Right.

[Parks]

Do some reconnaissance.

[Ian]

It'll make your whole life better.

[Joe Budden]

What's. What's. What's important to y'all up here? We just been running our mouth for, like.

[Ian]

So I want to ask y'all about this Martin Luther King, and it's not heavy. To me, it's not even a heavy topic. But Donald Trump announced that he is going to be declassifying the files, the assassination files of Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. But the interesting thing about Martin Luther King is when they release these files, I know for a fact that a bunch of wild shit is going to come out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what's expected.

[Ian]

That's what everybody's expecting. Even the family's like, please let us see it before you put it out.

[Queens Flip]

All the families request.

[Ian]

They've requested very. Please let us at least brace ourselves, because the FBI files and all the shit on Martin Luther King Jr. Are gonna be wild. I'm not saying they're true. Just out there shout out to King family. But they're going to say that everything from prostitution to sex parties, serial cheating, all this shit. And I think the next step is. Cuz I'm already hearing it is Republicans are gonna say we need to cancel Martin Luther King Day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They've already been saying it.

[Ian]

Right? And now it's gonna be like, that's the excuse, Will. Knowing that if you found out, allegedly, that Martin Luther King Jr. Was involved in some wild freaky shit that seems like every other nigga you know, Would it change how you see him? Nope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not at all.

[Queens Flip]

He got hit in the head with a rock. Nigga singing We Shall Overcome. It don't get any better.

[Ian]

He said he deserves some pussy.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, he deserves whatever he wants.

[Ian]

He fought for.

[Queens Flip]

Don't laugh, man. He fought for us.

[Joe Budden]

The male guy?

[Ian]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, Joe, get him. Okay. Really? Really.

[Queens Flip]

I'm laughing at this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Ian]

I'm laughing at the rock. I'm laughing at the first joke.

[Queens Flip]

I didn't say that to you, man.

[Joe Budden]

My girl got clopped.

[Ian]

Well, I don't get the joke.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How am I in this?

[Ian]

I don't get the male joke. I was laughing at the King part. What's this. Do I not want to know?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't touch me.

[Ian]

You never let this.

[Queens Flip]

You always let him slide.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, him, he reminded me.

[Queens Flip]

I forgot about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. Fuck him. And you're close to getting that, too. Okay, let's continue.

[Ian]

I'm wondering what the story is.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't worry about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't want to know.

[Ian]

Okay, fair enough. Yeah, so y'all said it, don't change it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, this nigga's terrible evil.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just pure evil.

[Joe Budden]

Anyways, no, it would not change my view of Martin Luther King.

[Melissa Ford]

He's done too much greatness.

[Joe Budden]

I've been thought that about him. Like, how else you supposed to do all that civil rights shit?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They had a whole play on that shit. Remember the Mountaintop?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Oh, with Sammy Jackson? Yeah, I went and saw that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Oh, for real? Yeah. Yeah, Mountaintop was great. Broadway. Yeah, it was great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was really good.

[Queens Flip]

Do you think that the FBI could make up stories in these documents?

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely, I do.

[Queens Flip]

What's the probable cause that the story is they're lying in the documents?

[Ian]

I think two things are true at once. I think, yes, the FBI lies all the time. That's cointelpro. The government counterintelligence program was all about lying and misrepresenting and misleading black leaders. And I know people that knew Martin Luther King Jr. Was there for some of this stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Ian]

So I think, you know, I'm. I don't know if all of it is true, but I don't think it's far fetched to say that he wasn't the person that a lot of people might have expected him to be. Given his stature.

[Joe Budden]

This is a good time to have a talk. That's been on the back burner for a while. Like, when is it all right to commit adultery if I just went out and walked 900 miles in the blistering heat singing a song, a lot of throwing rocks. Why are they hitting me with when I. When I clock out and wifey back home? Hey, when this gig is over, I.

[Melissa Ford]

Need to let off some stink.

[Joe Budden]

I can't just. No.

[Melissa Ford]

Why not?

[Queens Flip]

Come on. Everybody know they're righteous, man. I mean, Malcolm X is probably the closest one that was righteous towards the end of his.

[Ian]

Hold on. All I say is I understand. It's never okay, but I understand. I understand like Dr. King used to.

[Joe Budden]

You would have fell victim, too.

[Ian]

What decade was that?

[Joe Budden]

The 60s.

[Ian]

The 60s, yeah. I would not have fell victim.

[Joe Budden]

This was before the Internet in the 60s. Segregation. You and your bag. You told you was in your bag. On cnn. You and your. Hey, stop it. Hey. Free us and the freedom. You and your bag. And some little white girl come up to you at the bar. I support your movement.

[Melissa Ford]

I really support you.

[Ian]

The message that you get now, I'd be like, malcolm. He's like, nothing. What can I do to help you? Nothing.

[Joe Budden]

You think Malcolm X never a white girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he did when he was red before he.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, when he was red. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Once they became Yakub's grafted devil. Nah.

[Joe Budden]

Mark X.

[Ian]

Mark X. Mark X is turning down Becky.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Ian]

That's facts.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Ian]

Look, I don't. I don't listen to.

[Queens Flip]

What if it's not back then.

[Ian]

I ain't do it now. When it's a permissible, I don't do it.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

60S. That was a premium.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo.

[Queens Flip]

That was 93. Was 93, chef.

[Ian]

Like BVs.

[Melissa Ford]

What if it ain't Becky?

[Ian]

You mean, like, what if it's like Rashida?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

At the bar, same situation.

[Ian]

That was very racist, Becky.

[Melissa Ford]

Was it a little racist, too?

[Parks]

You can be really racist towards the white.

[Ian]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Closest thing is that.

[Ian]

Okay, fair enough. No, I wouldn't. I'll say this. Dr. King used to drink a fifth of whiskey every night as well. And people, as a preacher, he wasn't supposed to do that. He did a lot of shit that people don't think he did. I probably would have succumbed to some of that stuff. But I don't think. If you say, like, I'm not. Adultery wouldn't be my thing. But I'm not judging him. I'm just saying, like, that wouldn't have been my personal opinion.

[Melissa Ford]

It gets a little harder to turn.

[Parks]

Shit down when you're off the fifth of whiskey.

[Ian]

He's not a good ass boy.

[Melissa Ford]

And she got that civil rights ass.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Queens Flip]

But here's my problem, though, with this. Like, Dr. King was fighting for black people.

[Ian]

Civil rights ass is different.

[Queens Flip]

Like, people were getting bit by dogs, sprayed with holes, people getting violated.

[Ian]

And that makes you want pussy?

[Queens Flip]

Yes. Yo, hey, yo.

[Ian]

I'm trying to get the connection y'all keep, like. Cause they was shooting, they was biting.

[Queens Flip]

When you ejaculate. When you ejaculate, nigga, all the pressure comes out n. He got hit in the head with a rock. I keep saying this, singing, we shall overcome. Nigga holding hot hands. Nigga having to march and get insulted and bitten, and he had to release it somehow.

[Melissa Ford]

And look, look, look, he got a big speech tomorrow.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I gotta clear My mind.

[Queens Flip]

I had a dream.

[Ian]

Here's some wild shit, though. Here's some wild shit, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, they gonna pull.

[Ian]

He could fuck his wife.

[Melissa Ford]

She not there.

[Ian]

Why not bring Coretta?

[Joe Budden]

This is that thing that podcasters do where they just get on the mic and, like, say the right thing.

[Queens Flip]

Exactly. That's what he's doing.

[Ian]

I'm not saying the right thing.

[Joe Budden]

He been out all day, 9,000 miles and running. His wife ain't the happiest with him. She bickering, bitching. Ah, you out there running around with these posters.

[Melissa Ford]

And he have a phone, so he. Look, look, look. He have a phone, so he gotta read the letters.

[Queens Flip]

He didn't have a phone either. You gotta read the letters.

[Ian]

Magic. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

The listeners are licensed. The listeners are licensed. So it's just.

[Melissa Ford]

They going to be on our ass anyway.

[Joe Budden]

I'm chilling. That's y'all playing around anyway. Don't waste all your outrage on. On the appetizer when the main course is on the way. They going to take away Black History Month.

[Melissa Ford]

What we get? What we getting out for?

[Joe Budden]

I saw Maya G tweet Trump want to change the name of Uno to one.

[Melissa Ford]

How long y'all think we keeping Juneteenth?

[Joe Budden]

Juneteenth. They gonna move that shit to April 1st. This ain't fun. This shit is not funny. But I'll admit that I laugh at some of it. You gotta laugh, homeboy. Homeboy, they had on the news that was a Trump voter and Trump supporter, where they came and took his wife. So he started pleading to the. To Trump and video. Hey, please don't take her from me. That's not funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's hilarious.

[Ian]

It's hilarious, but it's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's funny. Can you imagine that? Yeah, you just eating dinner. You've been with your wife for 70 years. They just hear a helicopter come out. Hey, we know she's in there.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't make us come in there.

[Joe Budden]

Drop the Brussels sprouts. Drop the Go. Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Ian]

That's just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

I just had for dinner.

[Queens Flip]

It was good, too.

[Joe Budden]

Drop the.

[Ian]

And get your.

[Joe Budden]

And get your ass out of here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Stop. Joe. For. He's funny, though. Hey, y'all only voted for. Dude.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a bunch of people on fucking TikTok and Instagram making reels about. Like, I just. I. I thought that he was gonna fix the price of eggs. I didn't think that he was actually gonna deport my abuela. It's like, yeah, bitch, that's what the Fuck.

[Joe Budden]

He said eggs went up again. My dad. My dad is pissed, Let me tell you that. My dad said for 17 years, nobody in this house ate eggs. Eggs but me.

[Melissa Ford]

Not everybody want eggs now. Not everybody want eggs.

[Joe Budden]

Whole house, you got some eggs.

[Parks]

It's a luxury item now.

[Joe Budden]

This is $18.

[Ian]

I know.

[Melissa Ford]

Pops is heated.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Melissa Ford]

Now y'all want eggs.

[Joe Budden]

My dad. House is so much fun.

[Melissa Ford]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

They got a new dog. They got a new dog. Sounds cool, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Mm.

[Joe Budden]

They had a vote. My dad and my brothers didn't. Never wanted the dog. My dad's wife and my little sister wanted a dog. My dad said, now they had a dog that died.

[Ian]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

There's a new dog. Yeah. Rest in peace, Yankee. Here comes Blue. So they got a new dog. My dad says, hey, if y'all bring that dog in here, y'all gotta take care of the dog.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah, that'll work.

[Joe Budden]

They say, yes.

[Melissa Ford]

That never works.

[Joe Budden]

They say, yes, it's on him. His dog been shitting and peeing all over that fucking house. So when I come in, my dad make a joke and say, hey, take this little dog with you. So I start joking back with dog jokes. Man, that turned into a whole different fight in that household. You gotta be careful how you joke in other couples houses. Like, you'll say a joke about one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thing, and it's a trick, and it.

[Melissa Ford]

Opened the door for the store spot.

[Joe Budden]

Shit turned into. Well, the dog is the only one keeping me happy and satisfied. And the dog is the only thing.

[Queens Flip]

Keeping me company in here.

[Joe Budden]

And I should be happier because I'm gonna go leave. I said, you know what? No, I'm gonna. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna get out of here. What was you talking about? Nothing. Right?

[Parks]

Nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, Clip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How you feeling, Yo?

[Joe Budden]

I'm feeling good.

[Melissa Ford]

You feeling good?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You sure?

[Joe Budden]

I thought you would be sick, bro.

[Queens Flip]

Why?

[Melissa Ford]

I watch Raw.

[Queens Flip]

Okay. How was it?

[Melissa Ford]

I seen Kai up there.

[Queens Flip]

Shout out to my Netflix. Shout out to Kai Worldwide.

[Melissa Ford]

Millions and millions of people. I was like, my guy flipped.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, yo, listen, that don't bother me, man. I support the young brother. It's a young man's game.

[Ian]

Oh, you got the. You got the voice of somebody. I support the young man.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, no, no. The. The thing is that. I mean, it's fun.

[Joe Budden]

What's the thing?

[Queens Flip]

It's funny jokes, but at the end of the day, when I walk. When I walk in a. When I walk in a room, I'm still Queen's flip.

[Parks]

That's True.

[Queens Flip]

I need you guys to keep that in mind.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Queens Flip]

You can't ask.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you are queen slip. Flip when you walk.

[Joe Budden]

Queen.

[Parks]

You said queen's clit. She said queen slip.

[Queens Flip]

No, I am queen flip.

[Joe Budden]

Queen's clip.

[Queens Flip]

I. I'm. I'm acknowledged by the greats, I'm acknowledged by the current greats, and I'm still able to keep myself relevant. Man, shout out to Kai, man. We working on things, man.

[Joe Budden]

That's Qualify.

[Queens Flip]

Huh? You said what? Qualify.

[Joe Budden]

Qualify.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, you shout out the that, you know, used to. I mean, we do.

[Queens Flip]

No, I think. I think it's great. I think it's great. It's amazing. I heard about it. I was in jail at the time when Raw was on, but that's quite the contrast. Yeah, but I heard about it, and I think it was great. I know. That was just slick talk, yo.

[Ian]

No, I was just saying that must be, you know, you in a jail cell feeding guys pizza. And he's. Yeah, worldwide.

[Joe Budden]

Cause, you know, he fed it to.

[Ian]

Him.

[Melissa Ford]

Folded it.

[Joe Budden]

Folded it. Nice.

[Queens Flip]

A couple of guys.

[Joe Budden]

A couple picked the cheese up. That was a couple of guys.

[Parks]

Gave him a little wife.

[Joe Budden]

A couple of guys.

[Queens Flip]

Hold on, you jerks. A couple of guys went to Instagram, say, yo, shout out to Queen, Flip for the pizza.

[Parks]

They got Instagram.

[Queens Flip]

No, I mean, when they came home.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Queens Flip]

And that's. Stop. Couple of guys came out home and say, flip. I appreciate the pizza.

[Joe Budden]

Couple of guys no good.

[Queens Flip]

It was about 15 of them in there. Oh, yeah. You had J.R. bring five boxes, please. Yeah, shout. Shout out. 70.

[Joe Budden]

You had to get that quick. All right. That's how they let him use the phone.

[Melissa Ford]

Breadsticks, too, right?

[Joe Budden]

They let him use the phone. Oh, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he got breadsticks.

[Joe Budden]

Are we supposed to be. Are we supposed to be participating in a Target strike, Mark?

[Parks]

I don't shop at Target.

[Queens Flip]

Tell me about it, Mark.

[Ian]

So I ain't gonna say whether we should or we shouldn't, but this is what I say. The story is people are calling for a Target strike because Target has pulled out of all of its DEI shit after Trump, and everybody else has said DEI is dead, and it's wrong. A lot of the companies that were making all this money on dei selling themselves as DEI companies. We recruit black people, we getting black vendors, black businesses, all this shit, they've all stopped supporting it quickly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The jig is up.

[Ian]

Yeah. And very publicly. And quiet has kept. Some of them never actually turned into money. They Just took the publicity and never actually followed through. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Well, now people are saying, well, since Target made the announcement, we're gonna boycott Target. Enter Tabitha Brown. Tabitha Brown was like, she went to Instagram because she had. And if you don't know Tabitha Brown, she's an actress. She's a. She does voice stuff. She does motivational speaking, author books. She does all the things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And also product line. She has a million products, hair products, spices, actress. He said that already.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're talking about her product line in Target.

[Joe Budden]

All the ads.

[Ian]

All the ads. Dead ass.

[Joe Budden]

Like them ads that these other chicks is dying to get out of here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Pablo. She's amazing.

[Ian]

Shout out until she hits Target, right? I mean, until she hits Instagram. And then she's like, look, y'all, I know you're trying to do an Instagram, I mean, a boycott, a boycott of Target, but maybe y'all could boycott everybody but me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did she say that, though, Mark?

[Ian]

Not like. She didn't say it like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She said she spoke specifically about black brands that are in there exclusively. So I don't know what her deal is with Target, where she only sells exclusively through them and can't sell, you know, through her own channels.

[Ian]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which it seems like.

[Ian]

But all I'm gonna say is if everybody's boycotting some shit, it came off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

As very, very tone deaf.

[Ian]

You just gotta take the L and just. Most people ain't gonna listen anyway. You gotta take the L, but you can't go and be like, yeah, I'm down with the boycott, but just still come in there and buy my paprika, you know what I'm saying? Like, you just gotta take that loss.

[Melissa Ford]

So here's the thing. When President Trump, you know, abolished dei, basically, so Target says, yes, we're not subscribing to DEI anymore. They just renamed it.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to say that.

[Melissa Ford]

That's all they did. They renamed it to Belonging at the Bullseye. Now it's still their DEI practices. It's just not called DEI because that. Those three letters are like taboo to.

[Joe Budden]

The government at this point.

[Ian]

And that's why I said, I'm not telling people to boycott and not boycott. I don't have an opinion on boycotting Target because I just. I don't know enough to your point about whether they've actually changed or whether they just changed names. I'm just saying if they put a whole.

[Melissa Ford]

They have a whole press release on their corner.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to ask.

[Ian]

They be lying too but, like, I would have rather her just said, look, it's not really DEI going away. Stick with me, y'all. But don't say you can boycott, but, you know, still boycott the black. You know, still don't boycott these people. It just looked tone deaf. It looked like. Like you don't care that people are boycott. That's all I'm saying. And that's about. That's about reading the room to me.

[Joe Budden]

Just.

[Ian]

Just in general. And I think sometimes celebrities who are rich and famous act like they're not. Because she's like, you know, these black businesses are gonna get hurt. It's like, you're not. You're not a small black business, like, with hair care products trying to get in the local Target. You're in every Target in America. Like, got it. You got it. Like. Like, be honest about what this is. And if you want us to not boycott because of what you just said, I could rock with that. But don't tell me it's because, like, you'll get hurt. Like, yeah, you might get hurt. Everybody gets hurt in a boycott. That's the point of a boycott. You know, I mean, we all make a little sacrifice and then. And then we win in the big picture. That's all. That's all I want to say about it.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not boycotting Target.

[Ian]

I haven't boycotted Target. That's what I'm saying. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sitting here trying to think of when we done got together and boycotted anything, always standing up.

[Melissa Ford]

Boycott Michelle.

[Queens Flip]

Don't boycott nothing. Huh?

[Ian]

We boycott Michelle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we boycott.

[Melissa Ford]

Boycott.

[Joe Budden]

I mean. I mean, yeah, no, I mean, businesses, though, we don't.

[Queens Flip]

We don't boycott business.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, Target gonna mark down them TV's the 300, and y'all could be right back.

[Queens Flip]

Gucci did that. Oh, boycott Gucci.

[Melissa Ford]

H m. The coolest monkey in the jungle shirt.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Now, sometimes when I walk in Balenciaga and it's slow, I say to him, I say, oh, yeah, yo, still feeling the effects? They be like, shut up. Don't say that in here.

[Melissa Ford]

Is that before or after you pay for your purchases?

[Joe Budden]

They'd be like, would you like some champagne?

[Ian]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's normally before.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, got it, got it, got it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, I'm a customer. They got me already.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Like, my sales lady done shot up in the ranks. He's like, top two. Oh, let me not say no more, because they be hating on up. I mean, it's not bad.

[Melissa Ford]

Baga beef going because of you.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Let me say no, so I could get off of that. But there's salesperson beef out there.

[Parks]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

I can imagine salesperson beef out there. So you steal somebody's.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Customer list, and that person is the spender.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And then they fighting for commission because people are getting laid off.

[Melissa Ford]

I see that happen in the barbershop. Still somebody customer.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, me too.

[Parks]

Bars and restaurants, too.

[Queens Flip]

Well, you might. You may not say, but who has the best hospitality in those stores? I tell you greeting.

[Joe Budden]

You can't ask me because I got people in all the stores. You'd have to have, like, a real Keith Lee experience. Like, where they don't know you and you're just going in there to test the service. Like when we went.

[Melissa Ford]

Like when we went in Bottega.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. How they treated them versus how they treated me.

[Ian]

Oh, how'd they treat y'all? Like security.

[Queens Flip]

Who went Bottega?

[Joe Budden]

Me.

[Melissa Ford]

Ish. Joe and Corey.

[Ian]

Oh, I fish. You been, yo, gotcha, gotcha. And you got a bad treatment.

[Melissa Ford]

What bad? Shorty was like, yo, we couldn't even walk separate and look at shit. No, y'all gotta stay together.

[Ian]

She said, y'all gotta stay together.

[Melissa Ford]

Am I lying, Cory? Y'all have to stay together.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you're always in Bottega.

[Melissa Ford]

We was, like, so offended. We was like, yo, dawgs, we out like, this nigga's. Did you buy this?

[Ian]

See, that's what we gotta file.

[Joe Budden]

They left us like, yeah, you know, I'm not taking this. This. I was like, yeah, y'all come on. And I was like, yeah, my friends is looking a little broke. They could smell the broke.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And those sneakers.

[Joe Budden]

The Iverson didn't get it done in here. So sorry. I'm talking right now. And that's bad. That was one experience. You can't put that on on to a person.

[Melissa Ford]

That's all you. If that's all I know for, let's say I was going to get something from bga, it would never be that story store.

[Queens Flip]

Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

I would drive however far I have to drive to keep from going there.

[Queens Flip]

Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

Or I would. If I would happen to be in there and I had to purchase something out of there, I would make sure that you don't get it. Like, I'm not buying through you. Like, no.

[Joe Budden]

What? Go ahead. Every time I play something, y'all stop talking. That's not how I could produce the show.

[Melissa Ford]

Your music got a message every time, dog. You be doing Some punk sometimes. So like let me hear where you going. What are you about to do? They about to play. Set it off record or something.

[Ian]

This is my.

[Queens Flip]

You can reach me by. You can reach me on an airplane. You can reach.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, see, Mark, you look slimy. I know. They would have got you in the 60s. I told like that.

[Melissa Ford]

And he's smart and talking that Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Would have had groupies.

[Melissa Ford]

They have spun Martin.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, they flip the out of Mark.

[Ian]

I would have Mark had little break.

[Melissa Ford]

Babies all over the place.

[Queens Flip]

Do you want me to let this slide? What I'm giving you cuz I with you we. We. You drop me home?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Queens Flip]

Do you want me to let this slide? I The Mark would have had groupies line.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He would have.

[Queens Flip]

Do you want me to let it slide and not.

[Ian]

What's wrong with saying that?

[Queens Flip]

Just stay out of this.

[Joe Budden]

King.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Be very careful. I'm not the only person involved in this. All right? Okay.

[Joe Budden]

It's easy to see when you look at. She backed him down.

[Queens Flip]

She did.

[Joe Budden]

Mel wanna back niggas down. She did.

[Queens Flip]

Listen, I don't want to listen. Mel and I are in a great space. Co workers, friendship. I don't want to do anything that's going to change that. Even though it's tempting. The is right on the line. Look. It's right on the edge. Like Batman.

[Joe Budden]

All right, come on, let's ISO out for Mark, man. We waited long enough. Let Mark get his bag and let me hit the round of applause for sure. For all the Philadelphia Eagle fans out there. It's important.

[Ian]

Thank you. Shout out to my city.

[Joe Budden]

The game is decided.

[Ian]

The game is decided. Despite what all y'all haters say. I walked in this room in September. You remember that? When I came in here, we met up and I told you, the Eagles gonna win the Super Bowl. And you.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. But I'll take your word. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ian]

Me and you. Was me.

[Queens Flip]

It was.

[Ian]

It was.

[Queens Flip]

It was.

[Ian]

When we first. It was like in August. September. And you was like, man, you just on some Philly shit, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You did say that.

[Ian]

Yep. And I thank you.

[Joe Budden]

And I said his credit is fine with me.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, he don't.

[Melissa Ford]

He don't need a cosigner.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all. Not with me. Like 800.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

He don't need to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ian]

You know, so I just. I just. I just. I just want this to be on the record. I don't just be talking shit when I say something gonna happen, it's gonna happen. And we did it. And I'm proud of my city. I'm proud of my team. And I'm proud also. I don't know if y'all saw the videos. We didn't break nothing. You know, usually when we go to the super bowl, we break some shit. We. We set something on fire.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all were good.

[Ian]

So we harmed some animals.

[Melissa Ford]

The video.

[Ian]

All we did was climb poles.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I just saw that there was a.

[Joe Budden]

Vehicle that drove into a crowd. Yeah.

[Ian]

But nobody got this. Might get hurt.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

If you.

[Parks]

If you drive a vehicle into a crowd.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, no.

[Ian]

I thought. I mean, like, minor.

[Joe Budden]

I did not bring it up because I don't know that that gentleman was from Philly, but not even.

[Melissa Ford]

Even if that's the only thing I could live with.

[Ian]

That.

[Parks]

That's pretty.

[Ian]

You know, normally we grease the polls outside so people can't. Can't climb them. Climb them and all that kind of. So.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Ian]

Just salute to the city, man. That's all. That's it. I ain't gonna talk crazy.

[Melissa Ford]

I saw dude.

[Ian]

Because the job ain't done. Like Kobe said. Job finished. Nope. I'll talk to y'all in two weeks. That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

I saw a dude that blew a drone that was kind of ill. Flew a drone over the. The crowd down there where y'all was wilding out.

[Ian]

It just celebrated.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, look, it actually looked like just having fun, just celebrating. It wasn't no. I ain't seen no cars on fire. I ain't see y'all.

[Ian]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all ain't stealing it up.

[Ian]

You know why? Because we've been there before now. There's. You know, this is the third super bowl in, like, what, 10 years? Something like that. You know, We've been there a bunch of times. Philly's done.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all gonna act up if you win.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Ian]

I can't make any promises. Somebody's gonna die. Unfortunately, the last time, a dude actually ate horse manure.

[Parks]

Excuse me.

[Ian]

A Philadelphia fan, literally, to celebrate. He was so excited for seeing the first Super Bowl.

[Parks]

I've never been.

[Ian]

We don't have to guess the race of this person, but he.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, we know.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He ate.

[Ian]

He ate horse manure.

[Melissa Ford]

What did that do? Like, what was the point of it?

[Queens Flip]

Gave him strength.

[Parks]

I don't ever wanna be excited.

[Queens Flip]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm cool.

[Ian]

I don't know why he did it, but that was part of his thing. Like, that's how excited I'm to win that we. That. You know, I'm at 8. Shit.

[Melissa Ford]

It's some Fans that just look like my man, Al Patrone. Shout out to him. He's a huge Knick fan, right? He's been saying for years, dawg, I have money stashed up for when and if the Knicks win the chip, I'm going to jail. But he's like, dawg, I'm dead serious. I'm going to jail. I'm gonna try to climb up on the. The sign outside of Madison Square Garden and just take a piss.

[Ian]

Damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so the money he has saved is for bail?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, for bail.

[Ian]

Okay. Yeah, well, he gonna be fine. He's gonna have a clean record for the rest of his life. He'll be fine.

[Melissa Ford]

Get the shit off, though. My bad.

[Joe Budden]

That shit, Philly shit right now.

[Melissa Ford]

It's Philly shit right now.

[Ian]

No, no, I'm just saying you're a Philly fan. You a Sixers fan?

[Melissa Ford]

I'm a Sixers fan. I am not an Eagles fan.

[Ian]

Yeah, I know. You still rooting for the Pittsburgh. What are they called?

[Melissa Ford]

The Steelers. Yeah.

[Ian]

You still rooting for them for sure. But we gonna be fine. I don't wanna keep talking about this.

[Joe Budden]

It still lay hopes away.

[Ian]

First round exit.

[Queens Flip]

Every year.

[Ian]

Every year, man. But look, I'm going to say I'm proud of. Proud of my team. And I'm glad Philly is taking the reins away from New York and all these other teams in terms of being like a dominant sports city. We are it now.

[Melissa Ford]

Just in football.

[Ian]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just talking about. I'm just talking about football. I mean, basketball is going to come and baseball is. We already there. I feel good about. I feel good about where I am as a city. That's all.

[Melissa Ford]

I wish Ish was here. Oh, I have to ask him about the. Their head coach hiring. Yo, I have to hear some cowboy fans explain that no one else wants to gig, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. Shout out to Saquon for sure. Devontae Smith. AJ Brown. Shout out to that O line, that D line. That boy Carter. I don't know how they finagled that one.

[Parks]

That was crazy.

[Melissa Ford]

Dude tweeted, oh, man. He said they keep showing AJ Brown reading because he from Mississippi. They just can't believe a could read from. I was like, that's so up. But I like inappropriate jokes.

[Ian]

I do too.

[Joe Budden]

I love them.

[Melissa Ford]

That was funny.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

Anybody from Mississippi, it's funny joke.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to see a good game.

[Parks]

I think it will be.

[Joe Budden]

I want to see a good game too.

[Parks]

Good defense.

[Joe Budden]

I probably am rooting for the Eagles now for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

I Definitely am, but I'm betting on the Chiefs.

[Ian]

Thank God. Joe, can you bet on the Chiefs, too, please?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know that I'm betting at all.

[Ian]

I just want y'all predictions to this league.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I have been terrible this playoff, so I'm definitely going to root for the Chiefs and battle on the Chiefs and hope it goes the way it's been going for me.

[Joe Budden]

I want to see Saquon get a ring just so Giants fans could look dumber.

[Parks]

As a Giants fan, I'll never understand.

[Ian]

That as a Giants fan again, I don't watch enough football to know the ins and outs of it, but it just seemed like he's such a spectacular player, I didn't understand why the Giants let him go. It just. It didn't make common sense to me. Unless there's something.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't make. Financial sense, common sense, unreasonable sense. It didn't make no sense at all. 50 cents. It didn't make. It didn't make anything. Yeah, we had an egg on our face. I'm one of them Giant fans. Go, Saquon. Classy move by Saquon inviting Daniel Jones and a few of the other Giants to watch the last week. Last week's game, the NFC championship. Yeah, From. From a box. Real, real classy. Classy move. Classy guy. Couldn't be happier. Couldn't be happier for him. So, again, congratulations to the Eagles. You're not going to New Orleans, right?

[Ian]

No, no, I got. No. I may do something at the crib. That's about it. I ain't going to the game if.

[Joe Budden]

You'Re going to New Orleans. Be careful. I'm not trying to be funny.

[Queens Flip]

Word, facts.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not trying to be funny.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, of course.

[Joe Budden]

Be careful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Considering what happened in the beginning of the year.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's.

[Melissa Ford]

Just. Be careful there, period, though.

[Ian]

Always.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, be careful, period. I think they did insert something in the streets, I think, to where that's unable to happen.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't even just talking about that. I remember we were in New Orleans one time, and the.

[Parks]

The.

[Melissa Ford]

We had, like, security escort and had like, some military. And I'm like, my.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Melissa Ford]

You need that. He was like, yo, dogs, it's. It's real out here. We downtown. He's like, yo, it's real out here. Don't leave our side. Stay right here. It's like, I ain't got no price on my head. What the. Is going. He was like, you don't know. This is how real it is out here.

[Ian]

Yeah, I'm Good.

[Melissa Ford]

So, yeah, be careful.

[Parks]

I've had plenty of good times in New Orleans without assault rifles.

[Melissa Ford]

It's one of the cities I'll never go back to.

[Parks]

Oh, I will go back. Whatever.

[Melissa Ford]

It's New Orleans and Vegas. I'm good. Because they don't stop.

[Ian]

I need cities that stop Vegas I could live without.

[Melissa Ford]

Nope, Vegas don't stop either.

[Parks]

I'm with you.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I'm not really that.

[Melissa Ford]

And New Orleans food is amazing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, it is.

[Melissa Ford]

Partying is amazing. But they don't stop.

[Joe Budden]

Oddly enough, I do Vegas for my staycation.

[Ian]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Like I'm not roaming around casino in it out in Vegas. I go to Vegas, I get the sweet order in restaurant, some shopping and calls it there. It ain't. It ain't what it used to be for me.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm good. I'm never going to neither one of those if I can help it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even know if the escorts still work out there. The ones for real. Cause that was a part of your Vegas. Let me speak for me.

[Ian]

Back when it was. Back when it was green, yo. Yeah. No, I. I know people who've done that.

[Joe Budden]

Back in the day when you could still be seen on the party bus.

[Melissa Ford]

Good, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Ian]

You good, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What else?

[Melissa Ford]

What else?

[Joe Budden]

What else? Oh, the Chief game. The Chief game. What do y'all think of that? Congratulations to the Chiefs. Mahomes, Kelsey, Both of them.

[Parks]

I think it was written they want three peat. It's big business involved. It was a great game.

[Joe Budden]

It was a great game.

[Ian]

I heard it was cheating. I saw on Twitter people saying that there was some cheating on some first downs.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't like to call it cheating. I don't. It's just. Cause just happen to find a. Have a way of.

[Parks]

Yeah. Selectively working in their.

[Joe Budden]

In their favor.

[Melissa Ford]

That was the first step.

[Parks]

That was the first with the Patriots.

[Melissa Ford]

Was it this bad, though?

[Parks]

Yes, absolutely.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Parks]

They made new rules.

[Melissa Ford]

I know, I know. I remember the Tuck rule. And I'm just.

[Parks]

And the. The whole roughing the quarterbackers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Quarterback was all predicated where he blew his knee out.

[Erickson]

That.

[Melissa Ford]

Where the. The last play of the game, everybody yelled, oh, and there's a flag. And then they realized, oh, he dropped it. No flag.

[Joe Budden]

Kincaid. Good old Kincaid tight ends are having a rough.

[Parks]

Rough go of it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't have the greatest year to me. I had him in our fantasy league. I probably waved him like he was. It was a mess out there. But I'm not even talking about the Kincaid drop that worthy drop that they said was a catch right by, I think the 10 yard, 5 yard line, somewhere around there. That. That didn't look like a catch at all.

[Melissa Ford]

Didn't look like a catch by their rules. Did not look like a catch.

[Joe Budden]

From no angle did that look like a catch.

[Melissa Ford]

It did not look like he had full control. I understand the ball can touch the ground as long as it doesn't move, but you have to have control.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't have control. He had to have both arms around that ball, both hands on the ball. He was a mess. It was a mess. Then I went to the bathroom, looking at the replay, came back they had scored. I'm like, okay, I see they gave it to him when they didn't give him the first down, first down. When they didn't give him the first down, when he clearly had the first down. And I ain't gonna put all of this on the Bills because I think back there being business, they just ain't ready to see Buffalo there. I don't know if they like how that sounds to advertisers.

[Ian]

Right?

[Parks]

They wanna see a three piece.

[Melissa Ford]

This is a sexy matchup right here for everything, dog.

[Joe Budden]

I get storylines, I get Kelsey, I get the three peat, I get Taylor Swift, I get Jason Kelsey, I get, I get.

[Melissa Ford]

You get.

[Joe Budden]

I get a whole package. Yeah, why would I. Yeah, no, I want to. I want them in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So then what makes the NFL, if this is the case, if this is basically fucking rigged, what makes it any different than.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say rigged.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, business. Well, I mean, I read the article where everybody's calling for this rule to be instated, where you know that it's electronically viewed because of the whole first down situation. So what makes makes the NFL different than wwe?

[Ian]

Because I don't think the games are pre decided, but I think if they're really close, the. The team is going to go the way of the team they want. And you see that in every sport. You know what I mean? When Kobe and Shaq were at their best or when Golden State was at their best, if it's a close game in the last few seconds, I see some calls, you're gonna get some calls.

[Parks]

Because there's calls that can be subjective to some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That first sound was not. Was not like a couple of seconds. It was like the top of the fourth.

[Joe Budden]

But that is the difference between WWE and football. We're talking about refs and see the thing, there is no referee necessarily in wwe, at least not when it matters.

[Melissa Ford]

Not to this stuff.

[Joe Budden]

He's not Referee the match.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes. That is the top of the fourth. But football is a game of momentum.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So a play like that stops your momentum. Turnover. Now you got. Your team is a little let down. Like, oh, man, you start now. So now when you come back out there, it's not with the same that you just had.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no, I understand.

[Melissa Ford]

That's really how. That's how the refs can make a very big impact in the game. Even early on, y'all get to going too much. All right, let's offsides.

[Joe Budden]

Big play. Big play.

[Melissa Ford]

You can call a hold.

[Ian]

A hold.

[Joe Budden]

You can call a hold.

[Melissa Ford]

On every single play, there's a hold.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So it's like.

[Joe Budden]

And if any one of us was Bring it back. If any one of us was football, we'd have done the same thing.

[Melissa Ford]

It's business.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We'd have done this.

[Melissa Ford]

It is business. At the end of the day, this is all the business. Everything you watch on television is the part of the business of entertainment. What gets us the most eyes for the longest amount of time, that's the game.

[Joe Budden]

Once I remembered that during the first quarter of the Eagles Commanders game, I was like, I'd never picked the commanders if I just remember the business.

[Melissa Ford]

But there's a story there too. That's why I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. There's a story.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't big enough. It ain't. It ain't big enough for me to eliminate Philly, which is a dominant sports.

[Ian]

A huge market city.

[Joe Budden]

Huge market. It's a rematch.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a rematch.

[Joe Budden]

It's Saquon, who's arguably having the best running back season ever that we've seen. Like, it's some stories.

[Parks]

Storyline as much. I think Washington just wasn't really ready.

[Ian]

They're not.

[Queens Flip]

No, they just.

[Melissa Ford]

They beat themselves.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Melissa Ford]

They have a lot of mistakes.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Ian]

When you. When you get beat by three touchdowns for it, it's hard to say.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a. I watched the. The game. They went down there, kicked the field goal. They. They again going forward on fourth down. Over and over. I'm like, okay, they got. They settle for three points. Fine.

[Ian]

Cool.

[Melissa Ford]

That feels good as a football team.

[Parks]

First play.

[Melissa Ford]

First play.

[Parks]

UNT we already lose.

[Melissa Ford]

I was like, oh, that.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Melissa Ford]

That hurts.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Melissa Ford]

That. That'll punch you. That'll knock all.

[Joe Budden]

The commander showed up and didn't do all them turn up turnovers. I think the league would have made a business decision is all. I'm saying.

[Ian]

And that's where. When it's close. Your point is well taken. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

That's why you asked.

[Parks]

I think the storyline would actually go in favor of Washington winning because now you have a new quarterback that could potentially be after Pat Mahomes to take the ratings. So I. I don't put that story.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Doesn't like the underdog story.

[Joe Budden]

I think if I look up Jalen Hurts impressions for the year, he would have something to say about it.

[Ian]

Yeah. I'm about to say, people, when it.

[Joe Budden]

Comes to advertisers and just how we selling this thing. Jalen Hurts name has been clicking all year round for sure.

[Ian]

People know him who don't know anything.

[Melissa Ford]

Especially since he went out there with his chain on. Oh, yeah, it's all up every time somebody posts something. It's Jalen Hurts now.

[Joe Budden]

Word. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

He got tucking their jewelry.

[Joe Budden]

I want the rappers to get off of this thing that they're doing with athletes and comparing jewelry or whoever's doing this. I want the rapper, athlete, jewelry comp to Mr. Fans. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Who don't know. It's a lot of people, real talk. Who don't know about a diamond, who don't know about jewelry, celebrities included. You just. You hear the price, you think, okay, I got this and you bought it. That's really what it is. A lot of that. A lot of jewelry that you see that's sparkling with all these colors. And it's not diamonds. It's moissanites.

[Queens Flip]

Yep.

[Melissa Ford]

That. That reflection of light is called fire.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so break it down. Freeze.

[Parks]

They call them freeze for a reason.

[Melissa Ford]

So. So moissanite has a two times more fire than a diamond does.

[Joe Budden]

Facts.

[Melissa Ford]

Which is all your colors. So when you start to see people's chains and it's all of that blues and greens and it's just dancing crazy when some light hit it. Nine times out of 10, that's not a diamond.

[Parks]

Huh?

[Melissa Ford]

Now, moissanite is still a gem.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Melissa Ford]

It's, I think 9.25 on the Mohs scale. It's right underneath a diamond.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ian]

But it's not a diamond.

[Melissa Ford]

But it's not a diamond.

[Ian]

And that's different than, like lab grown or something.

[Melissa Ford]

Lab grown and natural diamonds is the same thing. It's just one that's found in nature.

[Ian]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, y'all comparing diamonds maybe. Cause it's fun for y'all. Compare to contracts.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that part that'll answer a lot of that.

[Joe Budden]

Like, Jalen hurts is what, over 200 plus 250.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Justin Jefferson is. Might be 300. Might be 300. I'm not looking.

[Parks]

I forgot what his ticket was.

[Joe Budden]

But whatever. Whatever it is. You inviting depression to yourself.

[Parks]

Yeah, commercials.

[Ian]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Joe Budden]

They. They. They coin is a little different.

[Parks]

A lot.

[Joe Budden]

So why would you even want that?

[Melissa Ford]

And you start talking clarity, and that's your problem.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all be comparing yourselves out there to people that's minding their business that you shouldn't be comparing yourself to. It's not. It's not. Maybe that time is coming for you, but right this second, stay in your lane. It's a very small lane. Once you get to 250 and $300 million, that's not the lane to play y'all little games. And don't let them fool you with. Oh. Justin Jefferson bought this modest home in minnes soda for 150 such and such.

[Melissa Ford]

Just pulled up in a. In a car. In a Toyota.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, it's a trip. Don't play with them. Don't play with them because they'll wake up and decide to bug out one day. Like, just leave them alone. That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

You. Right.

[Joe Budden]

He cooking. Listen, TLC told you, buddy stick.

[Queens Flip]

Don't go to the waterfalls, rivers and.

[Joe Budden]

Lakes that you used to. TLC is a group from the 90s. What about your friends?

[Melissa Ford]

They had a crazy, sexy, cool album. Fire.

[Joe Budden]

Fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I heard about them.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, once or twice.

[Joe Budden]

How many red lights you under? Oh, I thought these.

[Melissa Ford]

Thought he was going somewhere else.

[Queens Flip]

Give me the green light, hear me? Just one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You mean like street lights?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this is my girl. This is my girl. Never mind, man. Never mind. Not. Not street lights.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Parks]

There are so many different ways to take that.

[Melissa Ford]

It could have went anywhere and just shout them.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you're a freak.

[Melissa Ford]

No, why would I ask?

[Parks]

That's.

[Melissa Ford]

That's, like, why I said, yo, what?

[Ian]

I was like, what the is this?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never know what to expect up here.

[Joe Budden]

If I ever said that. Then make a civilian's arrest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I never know what to expect.

[Ian]

I was like, wow.

[Joe Budden]

Just a red light bulb that makes the light in the room.

[Queens Flip]

Champagne room.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God. That's like, from your late teens, early 20s. And the waterbed, the black light.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not hate.

[Melissa Ford]

That was a good time.

[Joe Budden]

I think I brought you in one of the rooms. Never mind. Anyway, what else is. What else? Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see.

[Parks]

All right, tell us about the puff doc.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah. Hbo. Max. It's Actually ID discovery.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

But it's on Max.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So they have a. It's a four part. It's called the Fall of Diddy. The first two episodes went up Monday night and the second two episodes are to go up Tuesday night.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Last night. And so I did watch both episodes.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Melissa Ford]

There's no fall yet.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

This started at childhood. It's interviewing with childhood friends and his first publicist. I mean, it walks through the career.

[Parks]

Of Puff in a good way or a bad way?

[Melissa Ford]

So a little bit both. It's a little bit of both.

[Parks]

Gotcha.

[Melissa Ford]

Like they're, they're showing how he be like, it's the whole uptown story is in there showing how he became Puff.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

And what they're doing is at every point they're attaching violence to him. It covers the, the celebrity basketball game and it, it has interviews with people who lost people. There were nine people that died.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

And it's like one of the, one of the deceased, her brother is in there speaking and he's like, yo, you know, Puff knew him, knew the family, his driver that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, some of this was on the other doc too.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't watch the other doc.

[Joe Budden]

You the one told me to watch the other doc.

[Melissa Ford]

I told you to watch it. I didn't watch it though. The doc man told you to watch it. Yeah, you doc man. I could. So I was just like, oh, this.

[Joe Budden]

Is out and to what you're saying right now. And the other one that you didn't see, one of the gentlemen that was talking about the guy that lived with him when they were 6 and 7 and they were young, they showed a picture and they was like, look how Puff is dressed. And it said he got bracelets on, rings. He dressed like a 34 year old while he's.

[Melissa Ford]

So he literally said the same shit in here.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

He's like, he was wearing stuff, like tailored and stuff. And it was like, yo, we. Where's he dressing like that from? Like they were questioning while he was young. It went, it went through there. They interviewed his driver that was in the car with him. JLO and Wolf.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

After Club New York.

[Melissa Ford]

After Club New York. And the driver sat down, he's like, it's my first time telling my story on camera. I don't like those. That's my only thing. I don't like the people that it's been how many years. And now that he's in hot water, people want to come out and tell their part of the story for some shit that happened A long time. I just don't. I don't. It gives opportunistic to me.

[Ian]

Here's the only thing.

[Melissa Ford]

And I never liked that.

[Ian]

I generally agree. I hate watching. And I watch every single one of them. I'm probably. I'm definitely part of the problem on YouTube, all the bodyguard interviews, all the people that every day got something to say on these channels, I watch all of them, and I always feel like it's opportunistic. But there's also the piece that people felt silenced where they wanted to say shit, but they was worried about getting harmed in something.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, that is what the. In his defense, that is what the driver said. He was just like, yo, he. Him. The young lady that was actually shot. She's in here and she's talking, and they were afraid. She was like, yo, this dude is powerful. So we not saying shit. But the. But I never heard the driver's version of what happened that night.

[Joe Budden]

It's all right.

[Ian]

I'm have to watch this.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I never heard. I never heard that.

[Joe Budden]

Spoil it for me.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, he broke it down. He was like. When he picked him up, he saw that Puff had a gun. He. He talked about how when they left and they jumped in the car to pull off the.

[Ian]

He threw a.

[Melissa Ford]

Puff threw a gun out the window.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was shine in the car.

[Joe Budden]

Are you talking about Puff?

[Melissa Ford]

You got it right?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, cool.

[Queens Flip]

What the.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not with him. I am not with him.

[Joe Budden]

Which story are we on? I get so confused nowadays, dude.

[Melissa Ford]

No, sir.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

That's your.

[Ian]

Wait.

[Joe Budden]

And one of. And one of them docs or where somebody was telling the story. I don't remember where I saw it, but I saw it. Oh, when all that was coming out about that case recently, all in the. The new footage of the police and stepping on pictures and yada, yada, yada. But they put out a picture, like, from that night. Boy, was she bloody. She looked like she was in the scrap for her life. She looked like, boy, if I only had a gun. He's right.

[Queens Flip]

He's right.

[Joe Budden]

He look like somebody big. I don't want to give Parks too much work. I'm sorry.

[Ian]

Gun is hilarious.

[Joe Budden]

That's funny.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not laughing, but that's funny.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't see the picture? No, I didn't see it.

[Melissa Ford]

I stopped watching a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so how did it.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no, but he was just. He basically said, like, yo, Puff shot him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shot her.

[Melissa Ford]

Shot her. Excuse me. Puff shot her. He offered him. He offered the Driver, he was whispering it to him, yo, I'll give you $50,000 to take this gun.

[Joe Budden]

That was his number.

[Melissa Ford]

He was like, yo, I got a $300,000 ring on here. You can hold this as collateral so you know I'm good for the money. The driver was like, I ain't doing that. And then he had to testify to that. But he was just like, yo, I know that Shine basically got. He took the fall or he got railroaded, one of the two. But he was. They were bringing out how they had separate lawyers the whole. The whole case. And he was just like. Puff walked, Wolf walked. Rest in peace.

[Queens Flip]

Rest in peace, Wolf.

[Melissa Ford]

Sean caught the 10 years.

[Ian]

But help me understand. Cause I don't understand the Sean part of it. I still. Even when Sean came back around again, Sean definitely shot a gun.

[Melissa Ford]

They both shot a gun, Right. So from the way the document, the doc presented it, there was two shots.

[Joe Budden]

Pop, pop.

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Ian]

That's what I'm saying. It don't seem like Sean took the fall. It just seemed like Diddy didn't get caught also, because even if his shot didn't hit the girl, because the guy still shot. He still shot the gun in the club. You can't shoot guns in the club.

[Melissa Ford]

That's the fact.

[Ian]

You know what I'm saying? So Sean didn't really.

[Melissa Ford]

He just beat his. Yeah, and they put it all. They let him.

[Ian]

And Puff. And Puff gave him separate Lloyd's and all this to make it easier for Sean to be the only person. But, like, Sean didn't take a. Didn't take a fall. You know, I mean, just did. He. He just didn't. Just did him dirty, potentially. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

But, yeah, I mean, it's. It's. It's in depth, and then it ends with. It leaves. Like, on a cliffhanger.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So there's a young lady that comes on the screen, and she was saying, you know, she was around in the late 90s, early 2000s, et cetera. They don't even show her name yet. And then she said she got a phone call. I think it said November of 2023. And it says, we got your on camera. And she was like, excuse me. He said, we got your on camera. And then that's when it goes off.

[Joe Budden]

You could.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So it doesn't say who. It doesn't say who.

[Melissa Ford]

It doesn't say anything else. So that's the clip hanging.

[Ian]

That's parts three and four.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's part three and four.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Ian]

I'll be watching that.

[Melissa Ford]

That's where it ends at like. Like parts one and two were literally, truly just basically the rise of Puff.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did they cover any of his relationships, like with Misa or with him?

[Melissa Ford]

They did. Misa.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Melissa Ford]

They covered a relationship with Kim when he was explaining how Kim was the one who actually. Excuse me. Before that, there was someone that went to Howard with Puff and she was explaining how they were up in the dorm room looking out the window and he was screaming on some girl and took a belt out.

[Parks]

And I remember listening became public info.

[Melissa Ford]

A couple years ago that stories like that fuck with me. You're in the room watching. And she said, we're arguing with them. Like, we're screaming out the window for him to stop, stop, stop. And he's like, shut the fuck up. Fuck you, et cetera, et cetera. You don't call nobody. He goes inside, she says they don't know what happened with the girl. Comes out a few minutes later. The girls walking behind him clearly looks like there was some type of something. Something. Yeah, you don't make a phone call on that situation. And now you come out and tell your story. And she's like, yes, he's gonna get what he deserves. And I, I don't understand people like that. I just don't get it.

[Parks]

I. I understand.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't understand.

[Parks]

I understand your angle.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't get it. If you're watching this from your window, arguing, begging for this man to stop, you don't say nothing. But again, I come from a different world, so maybe that's might be like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A little bit of a bystander effect as well.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, no, we can't keep asking why so many people kept quiet and then saying that we understand the future.

[Melissa Ford]

No, this is. This is Howard college days.

[Joe Budden]

You could be afraid of Puff and Howard.

[Ian]

When you watch somebody do some wild, it make you be like, he do wild shit, which makes you not want to have no wild shit done to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And a lot of, And a lot of times when it comes to, like, college campuses, they really like to keep that shit in house with their own security. And really, honestly, nothing ends up fucking happening.

[Joe Budden]

And from the, from the first doc, they paint Puff to be pretty powerful in those days, just not just not on. But as far as being the IT guy on campus with some money, cars, connections, security and throwing parties. Yeah, could be. I just wanna. I just wanna have a little bit of grace and mercy for that aspect of it.

[Melissa Ford]

You're right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, hey, I'm afraid.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm afraid so I won't. I choose not to say something. Yeah, I'm not mad at anybody who's trying to put. Who look out for them or if they're in fear. So you're looking out for self preservation first. I'm not mad at it.

[Joe Budden]

Like, it's tough. It's easy for us to sit on our living room couches and watch the doc and say, hey, but why didn't you.

[Melissa Ford]

You're absolutely right. That was the only thing that stood out to me. But yeah, I will be watching the other two parts.

[Parks]

Yeah, we'll watch that for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Same I'm check it out.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they don't usually like investigation Discovery, Max. They don't really up a lot of. So that's why when I saw it there, I said, okay, I'll watch this.

[Joe Budden]

That's why that Chris Brown piece being on ID was funny to me. I don't know who.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't get that one.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know who did that. I don't know who brokered that deal. But that's why. Because ID we take with some type of seriousness that they vet and shit, that they got some integrities. These are real crimes, real people, real reenactments, even. Like, they're not known for hit pieces. Yeah, they don't normally get in the hit piece game. It clearly must be a lot of money in it. And I don't think that'll be the last one. I think we'll see more for sure. He said your body is hurting.

[Melissa Ford]

I said I bodied this picture.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. I thought you said my body. No, no, you said my body is calling him.

[Ian]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

I know what the. He said your body was calling for somebody.

[Melissa Ford]

No, my body's not calling for anyone.

[Joe Budden]

I take it back.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you calling me.

[Melissa Ford]

I take it he been waiting to go ahead, man.

[Queens Flip]

Go ahead. We good.

[Joe Budden]

We good.

[Queens Flip]

Going get you.

[Melissa Ford]

Are we good, Flip?

[Queens Flip]

We are not good.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Ian]

Why y'all not good?

[Queens Flip]

He keep cracking jokes saying that I'm upset that these streamers are on in WWE or on wwe. So you keep.

[Ian]

Yeah, you not.

[Joe Budden]

And you in jail.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

Yeah. Pizza money. It's good.

[Queens Flip]

But why would I be upset, though? We not get into it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you happy for them?

[Queens Flip]

Of course.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ian]

I mean, I'd be sorry if I saw, like, Don Lemon posting the elections.

[Queens Flip]

While I was in jail.

[Melissa Ford]

Especially if you was trying to host the election.

[Ian]

Tacos.

[Queens Flip]

You got hate.

[Melissa Ford]

You was trying to host the election. No, I'm talking about you was trying to host the elections. You was prepping to host the Elections.

[Queens Flip]

And then let them say this for.

[Melissa Ford]

Whatever you dipped off. And you wasn't hosting elections. And out of nowhere, he. He hosting the elections.

[Ian]

And I'm smoking sandwiches down for the weekend. Right.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, yo, here's the thing. You got to understand this. There's. That's you. We have a group. We are the. You are the. That or you. Y'all niggas. When you. That you wouldn't feel bad about anybody or anybody who's in the lane that you're in or who passed whatever lane that you wanted to be in, you wouldn't feel. You wouldn't be mad at that. You'll be happy because they're progressing the culture. So I'm proud of that.

[Ian]

That is a good answer.

[Melissa Ford]

That was good.

[Ian]

That's a publicist.

[Queens Flip]

That. Watching that hate from the side. Oh, I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I wasn't. I was watching Netflix. I was actually watching.

[Queens Flip]

Watching Me too.

[Joe Budden]

Too.

[Queens Flip]

When I got home. You can remind it you already play old back.

[Joe Budden]

They saying A has been permanently banned from Twitch.

[Parks]

I saw that.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They also saying that steak unfollowed him. I haven't fact checked these things, but just a quick peruse on the phone said that just now. Damn. Wow.

[Parks]

Yikes.

[Melissa Ford]

That's ugly.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What does ban from Twitch mean? See, I'm not familiar with Twitch.

[Melissa Ford]

What's banned from Instagram.

[Joe Budden]

Can't use it no more.

[Ian]

Same. Can't stream, can't do nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

You're done.

[Joe Budden]

You could ban me from using Twitch.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a platform.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but the account that.

[Joe Budden]

No, but he had, I think, some type of special deal with them. And.

[Melissa Ford]

And I've had a deal with Twitch and it's in that contract where they can. There's certain you. If you're. If any of this happens. It's like how we talk about the morals clause and a lot of stuff. All right, now we. This is done.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, yo, Same thing with me.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

They had special, like, special rules in my. Because I told him I'm gonna go on the edge. I mean, but what I will say.

[Joe Budden]

About that actually put on a master class and how to not handle something. He did eventually come around.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And say the right things and apologize. And I was wrong. And we got to be held accountable. And us streamers have a large audience, so we got to be love the kids and be kind. He did all of that, but it.

[Ian]

Was after the fact.

[Joe Budden]

It was after he said some other things. And part of the other things was, what the fuck y'all gonna do? Cancel me? You Can't.

[Queens Flip]

Can't cancel something that you didn't help.

[Joe Budden]

Which I guess might be true if you're talking about fans, but it's not true when you're talking about companies. You can ask the fresh and fit niggas when they got demonetized off of YouTube and, like, it's a thing.

[Ian]

So ye said that Adidas, what they gonna do? They can't get rid of me. And they got rid of.

[Queens Flip]

But he end up.

[Ian]

You know, I'm just saying I wouldn't go around challenging companies that wouldn't be daring, double daring companies to get to cancel me.

[Melissa Ford]

People just be thinking like, like. Like Joe just said, you know, when you speak of cancellation, you're talking to the crowd like, y'all don't have the power to do nothing to me. Not realizing that there are some people out there that still got some power.

[Joe Budden]

And the companies react off the people.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, enough noise making.

[Joe Budden]

Enough of that noise. Y'all think that these companies are not reading tweets and checking the temperament on some of them contracts they got. You are wrong. Let me be the one to tell.

[Queens Flip]

You, there's a bigger message here, you know, and I with Ash, so I'm going to be mindful.

[Joe Budden]

That's the downside to having that kind of Stan culture fan. The downside is they standing for whatever your action is. So if it's bad and they put enough noise on it, the people that you embed with that wouldn't have seen it. They see it.

[Queens Flip]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

What are you saying, Flip?

[Queens Flip]

No, like, so the bigger message is that, you know how. Because they use the certain words like grooming and stuff like that, they're just using these words that. That is foreign to us. And I hate to say where we come from or how we grew up and not saying. Not making an excuse, but you are a product of your environment. Meaning that when it comes to teenage boys or whatever, we encourage them to, yo, get that girl or do that. We had those conversations. It's been like that since I was. The older niggas around me did it with me. I did it with my son. You know what I mean? Not saying that it's right. It is wrong. Now, when the.

[Joe Budden]

If you acknowledge it as wrong, then what are you saying?

[Queens Flip]

I'm acknowledging that it's wrong, but I'm saying that it's not foreign, that behavior. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's not new. You know what I mean? Like, if. Of course. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I Think it's wrong.

[Joe Budden]

So we're in a place today where that behavior is being checked and people are being educated on things.

[Queens Flip]

And I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then there's.

[Queens Flip]

But you have to learn it. There are consequences. Yeah. And you have to learn in real time. See, everybody act like they smart and they fucking overnight. They learn how to abide by society rules and shit like that. And what's right and wrong. You have to learn in real time. When you're taught something, especially niggas from the Caribbean, like these things are like, you have to acknowledge that nobody wants to go to the source of things. They just want to point and laugh and blame. And I'm not saying anything with Act. I'm not even co signing him.

[Joe Budden]

Act was wrong.

[Queens Flip]

He's cool. He was 100 wrong, dead wrong. 100% wrong. Period, point blank. Especially if the young man is saying what he's saying. I've seen things like that. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

And it's cool to be wrong and then go sit with it by yourself.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Don't be wrong and strong. That's what.

[Joe Budden]

Or if you want to be wrong and strong, you don't have to put a camera on.

[Queens Flip]

Got it?

[Joe Budden]

You don't have to live stream you in your learning process.

[Queens Flip]

Got it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You don't. You could, you could take that, you could take that privately.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what happens there though? You, you kind of become a victim of your brand. Like that's his brand of cutting my camera on and giving y'all whatever. I think about everything right now.

[Joe Budden]

His brand is not speaking to 15 year old boys like that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no, no. Correct, correct. I'm not, I'm talking about. You said you don't have to learn in real time with the camera on. I think that's part of his brand though. Whatever I'm. Whatever I'm experiencing or whatever I'm talking about, I have to cut the camera on. Like again, this is a different generation. They don't know how to turn the camera.

[Joe Budden]

Unlearn it and you learn. Unlearn it. I'm not, listen, I'm not, I'm not here to preach. Yeah. I'm not trying to preach to nobody. It's difficult to unlearn things.

[Queens Flip]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

So if that is a, a habit and a tendency where, hey, I'm living my life in front of the camera, so they're just gonna see it. I invented that actually.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. But the difference between you is you also knew a world before that. There's a lot of all they know is.

[Queens Flip]

This is.

[Melissa Ford]

They don't know the world to exist without it.

[Queens Flip]

Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, I sit there and be like, yo, I'm not even talking about the act. I'm just in general. I'll be like, yo, why do y'all come to the Internet and broadcast every second of your lives? You not that important. We don't give a.

[Joe Budden]

But they've been paid to.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not even talking about those who are getting paid to. It's people who ain't making a dollar off of this. That. That chronicle that puts every detail of their life on the Internet. This is the world that they know. There is no world where we don't. If. If I can't talk about it or show it, it didn't even happen. That's a law that they abide by. We don't. Because we knew the world before that. So it's like, I try to give again. I'm not talking about. I'm with y'all. I think that was. I think he's just 100 wrong in that. And I'm glad that he finally did understand and address it and handle it the proper way. But I'm just saying, in general, people don't know how to turn that camera. That's the only life they have.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. Yeah. And when it. And when it becomes like. When you do something and it's normal for you and you normalize it, you just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It creates, like, this echo chamber where you just can't see any kind of, like, alternate reality past the one that you've created for yourself. And so you set the rules inside of that reality until reality hits you. Yes.

[Queens Flip]

Until things.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly. Until real world consequences.

[Queens Flip]

I'm sorry. When you're done driving.

[Joe Budden]

And where some of us come from, to me is not an excuse to groom. Like to say. I don't really know what that is. Okay, I understand that. And I received that. I ain't gonna pretend like I really knew all the ins and outs about what grooming is either. But I also identified that there's plenty of grown men running around here not knowing that they were abused.

[Queens Flip]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Not knowing that they were molested. Not knowing that they were targeted by the. I don't wanna trigger nobody, but. Yeah. So if we're not gonna know what those things are, I wouldn't expect people to know what grooming are. And yes. If now's the time to have that conversation so everybody could sit and learn together, the people that need it.

[Melissa Ford]

Correct.

[Joe Budden]

Then I clap for that.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm with you.

[Ian]

Word.

[Joe Budden]

True. Yeah. Round of applause.

[Queens Flip]

And you know the people that when you give pushback, they're gonna say, oh, you cosign. Are you making excuses for act? No, I'm not. I want to be extremely. I want to be extremely clear when I say listening to it, understanding it. He was wrong and he acknowledged that. That I'm saying that behavior isn't foreign when it comes to teenage boys. Not the other shit about the joke around shit, but it's not foreign when you're like, you'll get that girl or hey, yo, you having those conversations.

[Joe Budden]

That's misguided because teenage boys are not a monolith.

[Queens Flip]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

Teenage boys don't cover the spectrum of teenage boys. Apparently this young. This young dude and shout to him. He sounded pretty intelligent.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, he did.

[Joe Budden]

Handled himself well. And that stressful environment. But he's from another country somewhere. Third world country. No parents, no friends. Just from what I'm hearing. So that's not the same as the teenage boy from the hood that got OGs.

[Queens Flip]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

A little more experienced in hearing that type of talk or hand. That still don't make it okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Right?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but that's what I'm referring to.

[Joe Budden]

It's not. It's apples and oranges. We can't just put all teenage boys in the same boat.

[Queens Flip]

And it's a hard lesson.

[Joe Budden]

And as an adult, I would hope you learned. Listen, you shouldn't. This is wrong.

[Melissa Ford]

This is wrong. That's the underlying part right there.

[Queens Flip]

Like, so if you crack a joke and ask your 17 year old brothers, yo, you you girls yet.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not cracking a joke. That's not a joke. I'm asking my little brothers, what's happening with you sexually? Yeah, it's not a joking matter.

[Melissa Ford]

So that I can educate you or guide you.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't cracking a joke. Yo, you like, let's talk about it. Where are you doing this? How are you doing this? Are you. Are you being safe? I'm not doing. You ain't getting no. You gay like all that they did in the 90s.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

But yeah, it was a dude that came under fire, the rapper. I'm not gonna say his name, but I think I forget how old. His son was a teenager and he was like, yo, I went and got some girls.

[Queens Flip]

I remember that.

[Melissa Ford]

And paid them.

[Ian]

That was wild.

[Queens Flip]

That was wild.

[Melissa Ford]

To get them right and that. And he thought he saw nothing wrong with that. It's just. It's people just up and don't even realize that they've been fucked up and they passing it on.

[Queens Flip]

You have to, you have to, you have to go to the root of the problem. And like Joe said, you have to unlearn things. Just unlearn it, unlearn it, get educated. So that can't happen again. Now any. Anybody do something like that, even me, if I go crack a joke with Nico, like, now I know how that comes off and how it looks.

[Joe Budden]

You hug somebody the wrong way, there's a word for it. Yeah, it's charged today. Yeah. So I feel like that is everyone's job and responsibility to go and learn what some of these phrases and terms and words mean. 1, 2. If you're blessed enough and privileged enough to make your living as a content creator, then it's your job and responsibility at a much higher clip. That's a fact to go and understand what all of this, it ain't just in that world.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, like again, like you mentioned, the hug used to happen in corporate that people did not know was wrong until it became a thing like, oh, we can't do that. Oh, we can now look at today, you people are moving accordingly for the most part.

[Joe Budden]

And if the 15 year old is sitting there telling you, hey, I agree with that, this is grooming, I'm uncomfortable back out. You're gonna put us in a case.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Then it's probably the time. It's probably time.

[Melissa Ford]

Agree, agree.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Queens Flip]

Thank God I got you guys willing up here willing to teach me right or wrong. Cuz I be saying some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you do.

[Queens Flip]

And if you ain't love me, if you ain't love me, you let some of that crazy I say go out. You like, hold up, hold up. The same I said about Junior the other day when he was up here when that cut happened.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

In my mind, I don't think there's nothing. I'm talking to my son, you know what I mean, in front of my friends. But he's like, ah, you'll cut that flip. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I with you. People always say, yo, you sucking your dick and all that. But now y'all don't understand that it takes a dude, the, the process that it takes to deal with me and put me out to the audience is bigger than y'all, what y'all think. And he tries to get me to understand you. You have to edit yourself in real time. Even male flip. So I just be getting off based on what I know. I just want to get off.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I Know my brother.

[Queens Flip]

We got it.

[Joe Budden]

I know my bro.

[Queens Flip]

Get your cross. It's sensitive.

[Joe Budden]

Big M. Hey, I ain't get on you enough this episode. That's okay.

[Queens Flip]

Leave alone she don't worry about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We still have a Patreon.

[Joe Budden]

Nah. I like for the free audience. I like for the free audience to hear when I'm in my bag. She like when I'm big.

[Queens Flip]

Guess who's coming home for dinner.

[Joe Budden]

Break her thigh muscle. Go ahead now.

[Queens Flip]

You know that movie Guess who's coming home for dinner.

[Ian]

Guess who's coming to dinner.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ian]

And Mark, don't look when I. Huh?

[Joe Budden]

Don't look when I say. You can't do that.

[Queens Flip]

You shocked me, son.

[Joe Budden]

Look at me.

[Ian]

I thought she was injured. I was looking to see if any medical attention.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Queens Flip]

Remember he said she don't listen. Pass hour three.

[Ian]

I'm fine.

[Melissa Ford]

How much longer you think that's going to last?

[Ian]

Not long.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, okay. Long as you know.

[Joe Budden]

Did you hear, did you hear not like us? Instrumental playing I did, I did. I did sound lit too.

[Parks]

Yeah. That's just fire that is coming on.

[Melissa Ford]

Like I said, I thought they moved away from it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We knew.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. Again, I, I, I, I. Looking at Drake's moves.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. I thought we was getting.

[Melissa Ford]

I try not to, but. But looking at his moves, I need.

[Ian]

To sign consecutive days without mentioning Drake.

[Joe Budden]

We was on a roll just now. Counterback.

[Melissa Ford]

It looked like he was applying pressure to just stop that one song. And then once you see the NFL putting their other ads out, you stopped hearing that instrumental for a minute. Like you would hear TV off or. I think I heard, hey. Now you would hear the other records. So I'm like, okay, I see what they did here. Quietly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, business. They just got multiple ads. Yeah, they just made a few commercials.

[Parks]

They're saving the big slap for. Yeah, closer to the show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. That's the reason why they would stop playing it for maximum impact.

[Joe Budden]

I think we all kind of said, yeah, homeboy don't want that record played. Like hip hop has come together on that one.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That don't mean that the plan is about to be effective. No, I, I, I, like Roger Goodell just told everybody in the public, yeah, I've seen all the Jay Z shit. Knock it off. It's not happening. We're gonna continue to work with him. Actually, we're working on his new deal right now. He gave him a new deal. So Roger Goodell will tell you. When I'm standing with some shit, I can see him saying, Yeah, I read the paperwork. Suck my dick.

[Parks]

I like that song.

[Joe Budden]

That shit is a slap.

[Ian]

I spoke to an executive at the NFL.

[Queens Flip]

Pick it up. Pick it up.

[Parks]

Insider.

[Joe Budden]

So you don't watch, but you speak to the executives and keep up with the scores. All right, Go ahead.

[Ian]

Oh. Cause I have to cover the stories. I cover the stories.

[Joe Budden]

I see.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's a halfway backbone.

[Parks]

So what hope tell you halfway back.

[Ian]

It was the NFL person. Cause I asked, is the NFL going to block this? And what they said was Kendrick can do whatever he wants at the Super Bowl. The NFL does not control what he does. It's. We gotta cut this part out.

[Joe Budden]

So that's basically they're not liable.

[Ian]

Yeah, right. They said we asked Snoop not to Crip walk or throw up gang signs. He did it anyway. Nobody died. Guys in.

[Queens Flip]

That's funny.

[Melissa Ford]

So that's funny as.

[Joe Budden]

That's hilarious, cuz.

[Melissa Ford]

He definitely was. I was like, is he rolling up with the all blue bandana suit on? Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Ian]

So just FYI. So if y'all expecting NFL to stop.

[Joe Budden]

It, they're not, dog. I just hope that the chicken dip is done before the record. Come on. I don't want to be in the kitchen.

[Melissa Ford]

Where we call calling it at. Beginning of the set. Middle of the set. End of the set.

[Parks]

Right in the middle.

[Joe Budden]

Early.

[Ian]

I'm saying early.

[Joe Budden]

Early.

[Ian]

I think he coming out HBCU band style. You going to hear the instrumental. Bur you going to hear the music and then you going to go to the next.

[Joe Budden]

If you come out early. I'm jumping in Hudson river if a marching band come out early and start.

[Melissa Ford]

And now the apple halftime show.

[Joe Budden]

The drum start, dog. I'm be sleepwalking again. Out there be butt ass in the Hudson.

[Ian]

Oh, my.

[Melissa Ford]

Why do you butt ass watch the bowl?

[Joe Budden]

So. No, no. I would get butt ass.

[Ian]

Okay, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[Melissa Ford]

Why are you watching?

[Joe Budden]

What the.

[Ian]

What do you think's about to happen?

[Joe Budden]

This nigga a little too comfortable.

[Ian]

We all like Saquon, but I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, he told me crazy.

[Melissa Ford]

It's the Patrick Mahone curls.

[Joe Budden]

Did it for a while.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, cool. You my man. You my man.

[Joe Budden]

You my man. I don't want to. I don't think he wants to end with that energy.

[Ian]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he wants to end with anything to correlate it to homeboy.

[Ian]

Yeah, right.

[Melissa Ford]

With all the stars, scissor or that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that'd be good.

[Ian]

That's not a bad idea. I would end it. All right. But that make more sense. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, though.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

That's like the new anthem.

[Ian]

Yeah. You can't go wrong with that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And he gonna be on this Blackity Black too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, I think.

[Ian]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I think I saw Meek say something about already funny.

[Melissa Ford]

It's already funny, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I think I saw Meek say something about if the Eagles win, he'll shoot a video.

[Parks]

Oh yeah, he's good.

[Joe Budden]

He'll reshoot the video to dreams and nightmares.

[Melissa Ford]

You ain't hear him say after the game if somebody bring the speakers down there?

[Ian]

Yep. No, he was headed to Senate that day, which I respect.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

He was like, yo, Mark and somebody.

[Joe Budden]

The only two Philly people that wasn't at the game. So he said, somebody bring down.

[Melissa Ford]

Bring this.

[Parks]

Bring some speakers.

[Melissa Ford]

I rock down there.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

To where? Where is that?

[Ian]

The clothes pinned down center city, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, Bring it down, bring some speakers and I'll. I'll do dreams and nightmares.

[Joe Budden]

Meek, you have the phone number of the guy that books the artist talent to perform at these games?

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no, no. He wasn't talking about at the game.

[Ian]

He's talking about outside.

[Melissa Ford]

They was outside in the streets when they was wilding. Bring some speakers down here and I will perform Dreams and nightmares.

[Ian]

Yo, you got respect. I love that. He's a man of the people, man. And that's our. That's our city. Anthony, them now.

[Parks]

True.

[Ian]

It ain't but two songs. It's that and Uzi. That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Ian]

Uzi Song rock.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, hey, Drama, you got it.

[Joe Budden]

You got it.

[Melissa Ford]

I need an apology for that. I ain't going to hold you.

[Joe Budden]

It's almost like that song was never made.

[Melissa Ford]

I need an apology for. He has to apologize.

[Joe Budden]

It's almost like that song was never even created. There's something behind that that I'm going to get the tea on at some point later on. That song was too big to disappear like that to never be heard again.

[Ian]

That's interesting. I guess I haven't heard it in a minute.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't heard it in a while.

[Ian]

He used to be everywhere in Philly at the games. Everywhere. School yards.

[Joe Budden]

You hear that everywhere for like a nine month run.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but didn't it like fizzle out because it was like, you know, used on TikTok.

[Parks]

There's no words.

[Joe Budden]

No. Well, that too more reason to me for it to not fizzle out. That's true.

[Melissa Ford]

Ain't nothing in there really. You could.

[Joe Budden]

Could.

[Melissa Ford]

You could do whatever with that record.

[Joe Budden]

Something's up with that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They replaced it.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I drew the nightmares.

[Joe Budden]

There's no song. There is no song out that's performing or you look at the Billboard top 10. I think Shaboozi's still in there. He is. Look. Or it ain't changed.

[Melissa Ford]

Sometimes when you go out there and say some wild, it bites you. So I think it could be drama. Going out there saying what he said had people like, what?

[Joe Budden]

What do you say?

[Melissa Ford]

Where he said, that record is bigger than dreams and nightmares.

[Queens Flip]

But that doesn't.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's bigger than that.

[Melissa Ford]

But it is not bigger than dreams and nightmares.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm saying the agenda is bigger than that.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not bigger than that at all. Both. Both are true at all. Oh, good luck, Meek.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm always down for some meek tweets. Absolutely.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm ready for.

[Ian]

And I want to see that new video, too. I want to see that remade video after we win the super bowl, because that's gonna be dope. And when the last two. Boy, that was like the soundtrack to it, so that'd be dope.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Gilly, man, I've been looking at. He been killing it.

[Parks]

I know he's going.

[Melissa Ford]

He's having.

[Joe Budden]

I've been looking at Gilly posts and watching him feel good about his team. It makes me feel good. Like watching him all season do the stupid dance with the cars and big hat, the big person. Like, when you do all that and watch your team get there.

[Melissa Ford]

And now you walking him out on the field.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he in the locker room.

[Melissa Ford]

Get a ring.

[Ian]

He deserves a ring.

[Joe Budden]

He should get a ring.

[Ian]

Yeah, he deserves to get a ring.

[Joe Budden]

Look, that's how easy podcasting is. He's just. He deserve a ring.

[Parks]

The long snapper is like, nah.

[Ian]

Right, right.

[Joe Budden]

I have a part of. Oh, wait, the Grammys this week.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Grammys are this weekend.

[Melissa Ford]

They did announce the first batch of performers, and they are. Let me see the performance. Oh, no, no, no.

[Ian]

We good.

[Melissa Ford]

We good. Benson Boone, Billy Eilish. Oh, wait, I'm reading.

[Queens Flip]

Benson Boom.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to sound like a Jetson.

[Melissa Ford]

Benson Boone, Billie Eilish Chappelle, Rowan Chappelle Roan. Excuse me. Charlie xcx, Dochi Ray, Sabrina Carpenter, Shakira and Teddy Swims. That's the first batch of performers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Benson Boone is country.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm not watching this shit.

[Ian]

I'll be picking my spot.

[Joe Budden]

All right, if that's what they better.

[Melissa Ford]

Announce some more performance. I Know that one.

[Joe Budden]

This is on a Sunday. Am I free Sunday?

[Melissa Ford]

I'll make some something to do.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Teddy Swims though he's fire. Shout out to Teddy Swims. I with Teddy.

[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to Dochi.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, do we fire and shout out to Dochi. But I don't want her just there as the token black.

[Melissa Ford]

They got it down some more, folks.

[Joe Budden]

Is there another black said Shaboozi?

[Parks]

I thought no, not as a performer.

[Joe Budden]

And that's racist for Shaboozi to be the other black in country. I mean a black black. I mean a black black that. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

We got any predictions like for nominee nominations?

[Parks]

We got the noms, I think.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, we got the noms. I'm just saying. Who for winners?

[Parks]

Kendra Kendrick Lamar. The girl. Sabrina Carpenter.

[Joe Budden]

Mr. Lamar.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, so for record of the Year now and Then by the Beatles. No, no, Texas Hold Them by Beyonce.

[Joe Budden]

The Beatles are still alive.

[Ian]

They got a. They got an AI release piece of us.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up.

[Ian]

With new vocals?

[Joe Budden]

They gotta be down to Beetle.

[Ian]

It's too late.

[Joe Budden]

What in the hell? Beatle them. The white rock legends could stay alive.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right, go ahead.

[Melissa Ford]

Beetle, Beetle, Texas Hold'em, Beyonce, espresso. Sabrina Carpenter360 Charlie XCX, Birds of a Feather. Billie Eilish, Not Like Us. Kendrick Lamar. Good luck, babe. Chappelle Roan and Fortnite, Taylor Swift and Post Malone. Those are the nominees.

[Ian]

And that's a lot of nominees.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they trying to get some emotional outrage out of me. I see what the Grammys trying to do. They just trying to make me mad on a Sunday.

[Melissa Ford]

Get that to the Beatles and piss you off.

[Ian]

The Beatles will be mad as.

[Joe Budden]

I'll find out the winners on baller alert.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, Album of the year year. Kendrick Lamar, Andre 3000 new blue sun, no Blue Sun, Beyonce, Cowboy Carter.

[Joe Budden]

I hope he lost that flute by now.

[Melissa Ford]

Hell no.

[Joe Budden]

Or stepped on it in the middle of the Night.

[Melissa Ford]

Sabrina Carpenter, Short and Sweet Charlie XCX Brat. Jacob Collier, the G's Volume 4. Billie Eilish, Hit Me Hard and Soft. Chappelle Ron, the rise and fall of a Midwest princess and Taylor Swift, the tortured Pope Department.

[Joe Budden]

Oh God, I wish they changed the name of award shows to. Hey, we're trying. We're trying to raise the stock on our white artists that we've heavily invested in that we make money off of. And that's it. It's always Sabrina Lay the carpet.

[Melissa Ford]

Billie Eilish, Billie Eilish.

[Joe Budden]

It's always the same.

[Melissa Ford]

It's the same.

[Ian]

They Be making some great albums though. Billie Eilish and Taylor Swift be making some good ass albums.

[Joe Budden]

Man. I wouldn't know.

[Melissa Ford]

I would never know.

[Ian]

It's a great album.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't. Call me when. When it's Lana Del Rey's time to come back out again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Billy Eilish. I do like. Billy is a beast.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna argue. You're right Aggressive. That was black history month too.

[Ian]

Try to get this out early before.

[Melissa Ford]

We get the February.

[Joe Budden]

And he trying to say that he wouldn't have got got in the.

[Queens Flip]

Through there.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Nancy Reagan would have came.

[Joe Budden]

That's different.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not sex.

[Joe Budden]

Wait head is different from. From sex even in doctor World.

[Ian]

In civil. I'm talking about civil rights world, not my world. My world is all. It would all be adultery. So I wouldn't do any of it.

[Joe Budden]

But get out of there.

[Queens Flip]

I can see the documents now. Martin Lamont.

[Ian]

I stay out of trouble.

[Melissa Ford]

Smart man.

[Ian]

Yeah, but. Yes. Do y'all think Beyonce's gonna come come up empty this time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I need to hear the other cast.

[Ian]

Beyonce I'm just thinking about because she's up for record.

[Melissa Ford]

She's nominated the most.

[Ian]

She's nominated the most.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But she has like 11 album of the year. I see. I see Chapel Roan getting that emotional outrage.

[Melissa Ford]

It will be the one that I never heard of that went to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you probably listen to her music. But she's just like. She's that girl. She's fucking everywhere.

[Parks]

Yeah, she is.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think Beyonce is coming if they don't promise her one of the big boys.

[Melissa Ford]

She is nominated. She has a nominee in a nomination. Excuse me. In record of the year, Album of the year and song of the year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, what song of the year song.

[Melissa Ford]

Of the year is Shaboozi Bar song. Tipsy Billie Eilish.

[Parks]

That should not win.

[Melissa Ford]

Birds of a feather Die with a smile. Lady Gaga. Bruno Mars, Fortnite. Taylor Swift Post Malone. Good luck babe. Chappelle Roan not like us. Kendrick Lamar. Please, please, please. Sabrina Carpenter and Texas hold'em.

[Ian]

Kendrick could come up big.

[Joe Budden]

I do like that Taylor Post Mall song.

[Parks]

That's a Brady cover. So it was big.

[Joe Budden]

I like that song and I think I like that song too.

[Parks]

That was actually clean up and you.

[Melissa Ford]

Said who's new artist?

[Ian]

Who's new artist? Because that's the one that people up like with Evanescence1 when like every time you think the person you, you, you want to win like 50 or whoever's going to come up they don't win.

[Melissa Ford]

New artists, Benson Boone, Sabrina Carpenter, Dochi Ray.

[Joe Budden]

No way.

[Melissa Ford]

Chappelle Roan, Shaboozi, and Teddy Swims.

[Parks]

Oh, that's tough.

[Joe Budden]

All right, I'm not watching this.

[Ian]

I'm rooting so hard for Dochi.

[Melissa Ford]

I just needed to see the hip hop nominees. That's all I cared about.

[Joe Budden]

The Grammys. Come on. Right after the, the Grammys go off, right? I'll catch the later. The BET showing of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Go to Hip Hop Blog and see the clips.

[Joe Budden]

And Sunday I'm free. I think I'm gonna go join Mark at his, his basketball league that he joined.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, but y'all not gonna play spades, though, right? Just so that I'm clear, they already.

[Ian]

Ducked the beast this last week, man. Come on, man.

[Joe Budden]

That's exactly what happened. I'm petrified.

[Ian]

I ain't saying all that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying I'm too scared to actually set it up.

[Ian]

Turned up missing. That's all I'm saying. There was a time, there was a date set. Turned up missing. That's all I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

That is exactly what happened. I am petrified of Mark Spade skills.

[Ian]

I'm not saying all that.

[Joe Budden]

And that's what's holding it up.

[Ian]

I've just said disappeared. That's all I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Weren't available. I, I, I, I not disappeared.

[Queens Flip]

That's disappearing.

[Joe Budden]

And Cory know that when he, when he spoke to you c a, he know if the text don't go out, then just ain't available.

[Melissa Ford]

So if no text goes out, that is kind of disappearing.

[Ian]

That's a fancy way of saying you disappeared.

[Joe Budden]

You never appeared.

[Ian]

You gotta.

[Joe Budden]

You never appeared.

[Melissa Ford]

If I say no, no, no, no, you appeared. We set a date, and then you disappeared. Because you never hit me on said date.

[Joe Budden]

You right, Ice.

[Ian]

And it's fine. I'm not saying you were scared. I'm just saying Ice is right. I didn't look at it that way. So just let me know when y'all. Let me know when y'all wanna play. And I got it. But come out to the basketball league. I'm telling you, it was a good time. It was good to get back in shape.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, just that line, like, oh, they.

[Ian]

Kept the stats too.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, they kept it. You ain't got them, right?

[Ian]

No, no, I mean, like, I'm fucking with you.

[Joe Budden]

Tweeted the stats.

[Ian]

Yeah, it was, it wasn't that crazy. I was over three, had nine assists, had four rebounds.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, how you get four rebounds? Who the fuck all Right. Who you? How tall were they?

[Ian]

Sometimes the rebounds are long.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes you box out just three shots. Didn't have the team. Your teammates trust.

[Ian]

No, no, I was. I was overpassing.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't looking for you.

[Ian]

No, I was overpassing.

[Melissa Ford]

He got that first one up. I realized I sent that shit back that way. You know what you shoot?

[Ian]

It was the opposite. I didn't put up a shot at halftime. And I was like, I can't come out here. 040. I just got jacked some shit up. And then I shot up a three, and it hit the front of the rim and bounced back to me. I got my own rebound, shot it again, Went. Rolled in and out. And I was like, all right, this ain't. You know, it ain't for me, but tonight. But I was making passes. Made. I made some great couple. Great passes. I'm just out of shape.

[Joe Budden]

We'll catch it on SportsCenter.

[Ian]

Yeah, come out.

[Joe Budden]

We'll catch it on the top.

[Ian]

You should come out. Cause then we'd be on the same team one time. Y'all start the Games run at 7, 8, and 9am oh, nighttime. Nighttime.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, great. More reason than not see the Grammys.

[Ian]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

I go, yeah, I'll come out there and fuck with y'all this weekend.

[Ian]

Yeah, come through. I'll add you to the list.

[Joe Budden]

7, 8, 9. Yeah. Nah, I ain't doing shit on Sunday.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to say something, and then I caught a brain freeze. Or I'm 44 and my dementia is.

[Queens Flip]

Stop that, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop, bro.

[Joe Budden]

What, nigga? I ordered my phone to text somebody and forget the text. The person I was texting all the time.

[Melissa Ford]

I just have a straight blank like, yo, what the fuck was I just doing? Yeah, Like, I leave and come back like, what the fuck?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, it's getting rough. We do have a part of the show.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, somebody need our help?

[Joe Budden]

Someone named Jomel or Jomelo or whatever your name is. Maybe I'm messing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Jomelo.

[Joe Budden]

Jamelo says hi. Joe and gang. Hey. Big fan of the show and a longtime listener. It has been cool to see the wonderful evolution of the show throughout the years. Congratulations on your 10 year anniversary, Joe, and thank you for your service. Oh, man. Sadly, I think it's about time I break up with my girl of nearly two years. As I think about how to break the news to her and the inevitable fight that will result, I came to a realization. Partners, usually those being broken up with, tend to Weaponize the breakup and say things like you quote, unquote, wasted my time for X amount of years. If we're going to entertain that argument, my realization is that the first year of any relationship should not count in that argument. Oh, I said that in year three of my relationship. I ran this play you talk. Reason being the first year of any relationship is just a honeymoon phase. Small bickering and figuring each other out. Those initial months year consist of all things that you would have to do anyway for any long term relationship. So is it really. So is it really a waste?

[Parks]

He's trying to get this.

[Joe Budden]

So is it really a waste of the other person's time? Am I just picking at straws here? Should the first year of a relationship count as time wasted in that argument? Thoughts? Spread the word. Spread the word, y'all. Next. Spread the word, y'all. Next time your girl hits you with the. You wasted my time.

[Parks]

I don't think a relationship ever wasted time.

[Joe Budden]

Hit her with the bitch. The first year don't count. Also, just to clarify, I do mean even if the guy slash girl's intent is to dog the other person out, no matter what the motive is on either part, that first year is a wash. Totally agree with him.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think. There's no wasted time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, I don't agree with that part.

[Queens Flip]

No, you can waste some time.

[Ian]

I didn't wasted some time.

[Joe Budden]

No, you didn't. You learned a lesson.

[Ian]

Yeah, no, I mean I don't waste somebody else's time for me when I knew I was doing.

[Melissa Ford]

And they learned a lesson too. Yeah, yeah, they learned too.

[Joe Budden]

You'll be the teacher sometimes in the lesson.

[Queens Flip]

No, it's not you pretty in it up. You could waste somebody's time. You could have the person could be head over heels for you. And you have no intention of taking it to the next level. But you're entertaining it for your own satisfaction. You're wasting their time.

[Ian]

That's wasting time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is wasting.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think that's wasting their time.

[Joe Budden]

I totally disagree with that.

[Melissa Ford]

It might not get the end result that they were expecting, but I don't.

[Joe Budden]

Think you know how they feel about.

[Queens Flip]

You and you don't feel the same way. And instead of telling them we had.

[Joe Budden]

Car bones having a blast, but you ain't got the title you want, so it's wasted time. Please.

[Ian]

It depends on what I.

[Queens Flip]

Come on, Cole, you know that it.

[Ian]

Depends on what what we talk about in terms of what the expectations.

[Queens Flip]

Exactly.

[Ian]

If we kicking it, it's like if I come in for a job interview and at the end of it it's great and I have a great time and you're perfect, you're brilliant. And they'd be like, we're not actually hiring right now. You wasted my fucking time. It's a nice connection. I'm glad you know me. But you weren't hiring. So there was nothing I was gonna get out of this that I wanted. If in a relationship, you're saying I want a committed relationship or I wanna get married or I want something serious and I know from the gate I don't want any parts of that, then I've wasted your time.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, so let me ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

No, she wears of the time.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

If.

[Ian]

If I wasn't. If I gave you impression that I wanted that.

[Melissa Ford]

Let me ask you alleges in that relationship example you gave if she learned to spot the red flags in a.

[Joe Budden]

Be wasting to now with the next.

[Melissa Ford]

When she see him moving like you moved, she can get out of there. Earlier she learned something from you. You didn't waste her time. She just did not get the end result.

[Ian]

I think they're both true. I think she learned a lesson from having her time with wasted.

[Parks]

I think if someone leaves you at the altar or something, then you might be able to make a pitch for wasted time and money.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

But other than that, I don't think you wasted.

[Queens Flip]

So why would you.

[Joe Budden]

That's if you learned something, then your time wasn't. You spent time learning the lesson.

[Melissa Ford]

Now let me ask you another question real quick. Real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Tear him up. Freeze. You.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't. All right, so in the beginning, you have no intention on going there with her.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

But she's falling head over heels in love for you.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Now somewhere along the line, you fall for her are and that changes.

[Ian]

Yeah, that's possible.

[Melissa Ford]

So again, you've learned something along the way. It ain't that you wasted time, but you might have never had that intention up front. You might have intended to just drag this out and now you fell for the person.

[Joe Budden]

Men don't be coming in with those intentions. We normally learn they're over the course of time. Yeah. Hey, this is the person I really want to be. Oh, I'm in love.

[Ian]

That's not wasting time.

[Melissa Ford]

So now if it don't work. Yo, you time was wasted.

[Ian]

No.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I'm mixing it up.

[Ian]

It's two different things. Things. And I believe this firmly because I've had this argument with women before too. Like, look, let's Go. I have a right to change my mind. I have a right to decide I want something different. That's not wasting your time. If I say I want this and then I decide I didn't. I didn't waste your time. I have a right to make a different choice based off of. Based on the situation. What I learned. I'm fine with that. I'm talking about when you give the impression that you want X and you don't really want X. You just saying that and you're enjoying it.

[Joe Budden]

Have.

[Ian]

Enjoying the sex. Enjoying somebody to kick it away. But you know, you don't. You're not taking this. And they think this is headed toward marriage and it never. Or something serious or whatever. If I say that I want that and I don't, and then I just leave. That's wasting your time.

[Melissa Ford]

I think that's just lying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. She wasted her own time.

[Queens Flip]

Because why she should have saw that and got out. You looked at it as. She should have got the signs. Right. She should have saw the signs. You should have knew I was lying. But. Exactly. No, but I'm saying I know we as men go into certain situations and we know this already and we just wanna fucking have a good time. And she just may be a vibe, but I can't see me being.

[Joe Budden]

I'm mad to draw even Keep bringing that up as an example. So let me chime in. Yeah, plenty of do that and plenty of do that and try to get it off and. And just mislead and misrepresent.

[Queens Flip]

Yes. That's what we're talking about.

[Ian]

That's the only thing I'm saying. The only thing I'm saying is still.

[Queens Flip]

Don'T see we're talking about that. Those particular angles.

[Joe Budden]

If I go in the store for some narrators, it don't take me a year and change to realize that they don't have Nators.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shut the.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, I'm gonna go off, bro. Stop.

[Joe Budden]

If I know the qualities that I'm looking for in terms of a wife and marriage and I'm moving with intent and that same guy you talking about or the same person you talking about is doing whatever he's doing over the course of three, four, five, six months and I choose to stay here for this, I'm wasting my own time.

[Queens Flip]

What if he's lying to you? What if he's lying to her?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the argument that Mark is. Is presenting.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

What if he's lying? What if he's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The lack of a connection.

[Ian]

I'm talking about lying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jesus.

[Ian]

I'm talking about when you go in the store.

[Joe Budden]

She want women to not be held accountable.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

You're applying to something that I didn't even finish. You're just sitting here with a face. If I can land, then you can respond. She want women to not be held accountable for being misled.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is not what the I said at all. That is not what I said at all. I do agree with the notion that there is a certain amount of responsibility to yourself. There's a certain amount of self preservation that should kick the fuck in when all signs point towards this is not going in the direction that you hoped it would and this person is leading you astray. Yes, absolutely. There is some responsibility that you need to take for yourself. But then there is also the scenario that Mark presents where a motherfucker will lie, bold face, lie to your face and said, yes, I want exactly what you. What you want. But he just wants the girlfriend fucking experience. Can I ask you like you like there is the scenario where, where a guy lies.

[Joe Budden]

Can I ask you a question?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did she fuck the guy in this scenario? Sure, I guess.

[Joe Budden]

Probably. All right, so get this Mr. Fuck out of here.

[Ian]

She.

[Joe Budden]

So she fucked the guy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What does that have to do with the price of rice in fucking China?

[Joe Budden]

It means that if you following through the. Through the word of Christ and you want to see who someone is, if you're moving with intent and you want to see who who someone is, then keep your to yourself for more than a week, for more than a day, for more than a month.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Politics. Wow, that's your dog.

[Joe Budden]

How do you expect to find out who people are?

[Ian]

So you say if you withhold the.

[Joe Budden]

Sex, if you know that there are men out there that misrepresent themselves and host against host of then don't him.

[Melissa Ford]

But let's see who he really is.

[Joe Budden]

And then let's see what he looks like around month seven and eight. Since you talk about marrying people.

[Melissa Ford]

Wasn't that a landman? Okay, remember when she didn't want to dude. And then he, he. She ended up crying about it.

[Queens Flip]

Oh yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

It was like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, that's not what happened. She was already him.

[Joe Budden]

No, she wasn't.

[Ian]

No, she wasn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, she was already. She was already him.

[Joe Budden]

What girl are you talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The daughter. She was already him. The problem was he never wanted to sleep over. She was looking for that sleepover. She wanted the cuddle. She wanted to know that he wasn't just hitting it and quitting it. That was what she. That was her problem. And her father basically said, that is what he's doing. If he does not want to sleep, like sleep physically sleep and hold you, then that is what he's there for. She went downstairs.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, see, I'm not talking about the daughter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Went downstairs, found the daughter out here.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about the girlfriend or the. The fiance of the dude that died, that fell in love with homeboy.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Joe Budden]

And they were clearly into each other and they were liking each other. And they both kept saying, especially him. She kept saying, yo, I'm not supposed to feel like this, but I feel like this. I don't know what to do. My body and. And I have all these emotions. This is moving too fast. And he said, then wait. Okay, then wait. Don't do anything. True. That's what. That's what I'm saying. So, yes, you are responsible for who you give your penis to, for who you give your to and the results that it brings back.

[Ian]

But. But I think you're also responsible for what you communicate to people. Like you. You said like, you said, like, if I walk in the store, finalists don't take a whole year to know that they ain't got knowledge. Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

And if dude go in the. Hey, we might have some in the back and go in the back for more than 30 minutes, I'm out. I'm leaving.

[Ian]

What I'm saying is, if he says, look, oh, now let's. Oh, we got plenty of them. We. I love to sell.

[Queens Flip]

And if he comes back, I got.

[Ian]

Boxes of what flavor you want, what kind you want, blah, blah, blah. If he knows during that exchange that he ain't got no now letters, he's wasting your time. That's all I'm saying. And some people do that in relationships. And those the only times I'm talking about when you. When you lead to acts like you want one thing and you want something else now, you're right. If you're dumb enough to stand in the store for 45 minutes is waiting for now leaders. That's also on you too. That's true. Everybody has a part to play, but let's not let anybody off the hook. Is everybody got a part to play in this?

[Queens Flip]

You know?

[Melissa Ford]

You know the other part we miss a lot in this, in these conversations, Them thinking they could change the.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And guys even they could change a girl. Stop assigning it to just one gender.

[Melissa Ford]

We're talking about, about in the example of he's misleading her or something. Something. There are Times where he's not showing you what you want to see. But you think you could change him.

[Ian]

And that has happened to me.

[Queens Flip]

You could be the one.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

You think you could be the one. He's told you. I don't fall for girls. I don't do. That has happened. And it's. It's. You know what? That's because he ain't met me. I'm different. I could change him. I can make him fall in love. And then you. That you waste your.

[Ian]

So I give you example, right?

[Joe Budden]

Grits. Freeze.

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Cook her grits.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're not cooking my grits.

[Joe Budden]

Your grits are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they're not. Not. No, they're not. No, they're not. Because in his example, you can easily flip that around. And I know plenty of that have been, like, just kind of bowled over by women that they wanted to change, and she's not changing. You are. Strip clubs is food.

[Queens Flip]

You are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. You are food in the phone. You are those things.

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So stop it.

[Joe Budden]

I know. And that girl will be the one to say, he wasted my time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's not. Not just women.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's men and women love with the.

[Joe Budden]

That saved as food in your phone.

[Melissa Ford]

But the nigga's not running around saying, she wasted my time either.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never.

[Melissa Ford]

He's saying, I wasted my time with her.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

The man is not running around saying, yo, she wasted my time. She wasted my time. I wasted my time with this.

[Joe Budden]

I'll take seconds of grits.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In my per. In my personal opinion, men and women have a very different relationship with time as it relates to relationships.

[Ian]

I think that's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We do have a different relationship with time, strictly speaking, from the biological clock aspect. So we do have a different relationship with time. So you would more likely hear that from a woman because she's like, I know what I want. I want to start a family. I want to get married. I want a baby. I want this. I want that. So she's trying her best to assess with the tools that she has at the moment, who is that good person if somebody is saying those things and maybe a few things are lining up, she's giving it a chance. It's literally you're damned if you do and you damned if you don't.

[Melissa Ford]

As a woman, speak louder than words. This nigga is not showing you that he wants to do these things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're creating. But we're creating the perfect scenario where he's not, and that is that. And that's where the fallacy is, because There are scenarios where the guy can really, really build it up through action and word to make it seem like.

[Melissa Ford]

Is he proposing that's what she wants?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because that's what she wants. And so in order to put the.

[Melissa Ford]

Ring on it, is he doing these things?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're talking like, first year. How do you get to the ring if you haven't gotten past the first year?

[Parks]

Why do we have any expectations after the first year?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not, I'm not saying it depends.

[Joe Budden]

How old you are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying anything.

[Joe Budden]

First year shouldn't count.

[Ian]

I think it counts. I just think it depends on what's happening the first year.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, like, I, I, I know that moved quick.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all discern, like, and then turn around and say, you wasted my time, y'all. Y'all.

[Melissa Ford]

Both sides do the discernment sides. Like I said, men, you, you said it's due to the difference in biological makeup. But men will say, I wasted my time with her. Women will put it on the man and say, he wasted my time.

[Joe Budden]

That's where the, y'all, that's where the difference comes to be sexist.

[Melissa Ford]

But will sit there and say, you'll tell your man, I wasted all the time with this chick, man, I thought this was this, and this, this was.

[Ian]

Going to feel a lot of times.

[Queens Flip]

A lot of times we are the pursuers, so that's what we feel.

[Melissa Ford]

I wasted my time instead. You didn't waste my time. I wasted my own time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And again, I say that it's because men and women have a different relationship with time. So there's no point in, like, pointing fingers as to who's wrong, who's right.

[Ian]

Who'S, blah, blah, blah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the same scenario, just from a different perspective. It's not a cop out. It's the fucking truth.

[Ian]

I dated this woman when she was, she was 38. She was 38 at this point. And we dated on and off for like a about two years. I told her from the rip. I do not, I'm not looking for nothing serious. And honestly, now I look back, I didn't want anything serious with her. You know what I mean?

[Melissa Ford]

Cause you could meet the right person and be serious. Yeah.

[Ian]

And I knew I would at some point, right? But I didn't think she was it. She was a lot of things, but she just wasn't.

[Melissa Ford]

It just wasn't it.

[Ian]

I took her out, took it to public events, started taking it. She came to Thanksgiving, went to, you know what I mean, holiday parties. I could see how after A year and a half. Two years. She felt like she had changed me. I could say I told you from the rip, I didn't want this, but there is a point. And she wanted kids. And now she's 40. And it's a lot harder to have a kid at 40 than it is at 38. Just all the ways. Right. So I would have to say in that moment, I could see.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm sorry, how old was she when y'all met?

[Ian]

She was 38.

[Melissa Ford]

38.

[Ian]

She was 38 and she was 40 when we were done. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So let me ask you a question. If she's 38 and she knows she has a two year window, basically, is what you're saying. Not saying you can't. Women can have. But you. Like you said, it's a lot harder.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

If she knows she got a two year window after. Okay. Year one. If me and you ain't got there at all and I know my window is closing, I'm out.

[Joe Budden]

Deuces.

[Ian]

Right? And so that's.

[Melissa Ford]

So the fact that you stayed there, you've wasted your own time.

[Ian]

And that's where I'm going. I'm saying so in that case.

[Joe Budden]

And you are accountable for your time allotment. Yes.

[Ian]

And I'm saying in that case, I felt like I misled her a little bit. But I also was clear enough for her that she could have made some different choices. If I had said to her from the rip, I do want this and I do want kids, and I do want my. Then I would have said I wasted her time. And I'm just saying there's a lot of situations where that other thing happens. You know what I mean?

[Melissa Ford]

If you sat there and told her, you do want kids, you do want this, but y'all wasn't trying to handle.

[Ian]

And lots of niggas do that shooting.

[Melissa Ford]

Up in her, and you weren't doing all of that.

[Ian]

I may have been, but that's not.

[Queens Flip]

The point in closing for me, in the midst of lust, in the midst of on it. Being horny, you say and do things all the time. That's it.

[Ian]

Two years of horny's a long time.

[Joe Budden]

Blame yourself.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop. Stop selling yourself. A dream on both sides. Stop selling yourself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We started off as part of the show. Did we give this advice?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

It was all in there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you did. You just got tight.

[Queens Flip]

Men don't like that shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Excuse me.

[Joe Budden]

You just got tight in the process. What the fuck?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did not.

[Joe Budden]

Why do you keep curious?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because this has nothing to do. I'm not even applying myself to this situation at all. A lot of the times I'm not applying myself.

[Queens Flip]

So stop. She's speaking for all women.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, the fuck I'm not.

[Queens Flip]

Some women.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm not. I am speaking. I'm speaking generally and I speak from facts. And that's it.

[Queens Flip]

Let me ask you a question. Facts based off of what personal experience or what your friends went through, right? So you're speaking off from somewhere in the stories that you. You read or research. Because you. You. When. When we're talking like this, we can see your reaction and see you get aggravated. So nine times out of ten we may say, well, Mel might experience that, or she might know somebody that experienced that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I have never ever in my entire life said to a man, you wasted my time. Never.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, so you never.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because that's not the way I.

[Queens Flip]

But you know men that waste time. That's what I'm asking you, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, I do.

[Queens Flip]

That's what I'm saying, man.

[Joe Budden]

And this Cap, how is that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who are you talking to?

[Joe Budden]

Not in the room.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What? What's cap?

[Queens Flip]

Then she said, how bag did it have?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the is. What's cap?

[Joe Budden]

Cap city.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What is cap?

[Queens Flip]

Cap. Cap City.

[Parks]

That.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've never said that to anybody.

[Queens Flip]

Cap city.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's cap. No, I'm gonna let you get it off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no. Please, please. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you know something fact, like, for that I don't know.

[Queens Flip]

Factual.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, your memory might be off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, my memory is not off. I have never said those. Those words ever in my life to anybody because I never fucking said.

[Melissa Ford]

You've said to me that people have wasted your time.

[Joe Budden]

You said that.

[Queens Flip]

Have you said it multiple times?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When the fuck did I say that?

[Joe Budden]

It doesn't matter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, you never said it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's bullshit. Because I don't look at things like that.

[Queens Flip]

Have you said it on the podmail like, he wasted my fucking time telling a story about certain things? I remember a story you told, and I think you used it. About the London guy, if I'm not mistaken, or the guy that was from over there, the whole thing that. Rest in peace. I think you said he wasted your time, man.

[Joe Budden]

It's okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fair. Yeah, you're right. Okay, okay. Calm the down. Accountability. Yes, I said it. Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Because she's wasting our time.

[Queens Flip]

No, don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

All right?

[Queens Flip]

Don't do that. She gonna shut. Oh, come on, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Come on now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because you guys are being. And it's Annoying. No, you guys are being. And it's annoying. You know what? And maybe I.

[Queens Flip]

For.

[Joe Budden]

We just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, I'm not even.

[Joe Budden]

We were just trying to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not going to talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

But we're not trying to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're right. With that particular person. Yes. He absolutely was wasting time. And the reason why I blocked that shit out is because the time that it happened was when my mother was dying. So that was a really painful fucking event that I chose to put in the very back of my. The recesses of my brain. But you're right. Thank you for reminding me that it was.

[Melissa Ford]

That's good for your ass.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, it's good.

[Melissa Ford]

Play asleep. God damn it.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I do have a song that I've been dying for you guys to hear, if it's all right. It's crazy. This is Tave T A V E and Kenyon Dixon. This is called Laid Back slash Old School Chevy.

[Corey]

Just come and get it, come and get it. Why don't you just come a little close to me? Come and see if it's giving what it's supposed to be. Take a dive tonight in the trouble waters you and I collide then we float to see. Why don't you just come a little close to me? Come and see if it's giving what it's supposed to be. Take a dive tonight in a tremble water us you and I'm way back in the way back like a old school Chevy Way back oh, let's keep it cool, keep it cute Way back like a old school Chevy for way back oh, stay the cold, keep it cu why don't you just come a little close to me? Come and see if it's giving what it's supposed to be. Take a dive tonight in the TR waters you and I collect and we float to sea. Come on in fishes come a little close to me. Come and see if it's giving what it's supposed to be. Take a dive tonight in the trouble waters you and I can light them float see like things ain't got to ask for permission babies come and get what you like Just come and get it, come and get it yeah yeah. All you've been hoping and wishing for going give it to you tonight. Just come and get way back in the car with way back old school Chevy Way back. Oh, let's keep it cool, keep it cute, do what we do. I'm just trying to play back in the car with you leaning way back like a old school Chevy. Playback. Oh, let's Keep it cool, keep it cute.

[Joe Budden]

That's brand new music from Taabe and Kenyon Dixon. That record is called Laid Back Old School Chevy. Shout out to Kenyon Dixon, friend of the show, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Grammy nominee. Hey, I'm going to the west coast again. This is Black Dynamite by 211 and J Rock Deuce. What up?

[Erickson]

I can sense the hating niggas characters Sometimes it be your own kind make it even scarier, folks shot Derringer I broke down barriers 3 Generation of gang wars I inherited I can't lie I got money and got arrogant I flew from this set to Cairo to see The Pyramids in 03 inspired by Lil D and Meredith niggas came through the barbershop in six threes and escalades full fledged since the seventh grade by 28 I felt G status already made Not a smudge on my resume no accusations on accolades like damn the nerve of this I used to buy work from.

[Joe Budden]

This nigga Scrap still with me we.

[Erickson]

Done leveled up on Citinella and Stro shot the visuals he got us looking cinematic always on the clock all she want is time I ain't got 100 million on the flop I can see the plan I brought game with me cause I heard it's lonely at the top Ice cubes in the watch I feel like every day's Friday A chip on my shoulder like I ride wave bench up still trying to ride the wave Invested in my vision now the money come all kind of ways 211, grab that money machine My fingers blue from all these faces that I'm thumbing between Whoa, I seen try their best to be humble until they got some money it's funny they switched on a double I be I need a plug on that CCW ride dirty and the punk police can't but you check it we've been bracketing in a different tax bracket they been throwing shots we got a different flack jacket like my stole you know we about to level up minions, tuck head on a swivel or get your ceiling bus legend in this still feeling I ain't did enough 20 years later, ESJ still a runner up.

[Joe Budden]

Deals on the table Gang of zeros.

[Erickson]

In my contracts I'm networking plus important points people in my contacts on the east side where you find me at? I'm in my parking lot used to flip quarters like a laundry mat Haters like the nerve of this you better not say a word to that plus he's still dealing with some issues A head up, you get lit up with this pistol Went from shooting dice to fist fights on the block. And I'm still in the hood where I'm good. It don't stop and everybody can. They all smoking mirrors my in this side.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Parks]

That was hard.

[Ian]

Well, God damn, that was hard.

[Joe Budden]

Sound like broken language or some. Jesus, that was hard.

[Melissa Ford]

That was Black Dynamite 211 and J Rock man salute.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm staying with some old, older music. This is new old music. Mlp Face off.

[Erickson]

Depend on me strongly. I no longer wanna wrestle situations wrongly. They say that a man's life gonna be what it's gonna be. So I switched the game around and now it's on me.

[Melissa Ford]

You control your destiny.

[Erickson]

You keep testing me like you want me to show you how messy your mess can be. Still a fake banker, what a sabotom the slightest professor fish, you know you love me in your. Yo, Bill, what you stop for, miss? What you stop for, Jesus, tell me how you feel. As I struggle to get my hands on a dollar today I think back about cats that have passed away. That's why I feel more cursed than blessed. And I wonder what in this world more gross, distressed. I'm a mess with stress though I present it with finesse. Sometimes I feel as if my heart is coming out my chest. I smoke too many cigarettes in the Remy bro. Wash away the pain on it. Strain off my brace against the way we roll down here so loud Here I shoot out. It's like a comic cone down here. That's why I sit back and I laugh at y'all. When it's crunch time on the front line I will blast it. I'm from Saratoga Avenue. I had to wrong that's where I realized it's a cold world have to grow. You hear me talking to y'all? I'm on some grown dancing.

[Melissa Ford]

You're becoming a page.

[Erickson]

My life is on a different page. Able to tame my brains. A little bit different from the first time I picked up brigades A little bit different from the first time I stepped on the stage. Take a look at me now. A bread winner in a race against time like Bruce Dinner a natural born sinner. Can't nobody tame me or change me.

[Joe Budden]

For no reason at all.

[Erickson]

You were now tuned in to the works of Mar. Take two steps back, you gonna hurt Jamal. Who the talking that they gonna hurt Jamal say no Common stutter rapper it's the lava stutter slapper Pretty type rapper. Pretty type rapper 4,5 semi automatic pipe clapper with them OG's in it please don't get your shit Twisted like Van Blow with no trees in it Fall back, you can't beat me it's the Womack, the extension of Danzini we came into the game with some change for train fill 2 Phillies, a dime bag and a 40 ounce so beer now look at em they hitting the scene slow hoop riding and hoopdies But I'm looking mean yo with a gangster lean though big dog in it with my clone 10 inch hubcaps but I keep them clean though I know the pros and cons so I marry the game now it's mommy's low boy left to carry the name I'm in the streets like a dope thing with a shopping clock filled up with copper who the on Scott fame y'all keep waiting till they pop bang and hold your breath while you wait I got game ain't feeling the fame stop dreaming I'm that felt good coming out with my pop Sean hit the streets and sub with me no matter how disruptive you sound, you can't with me Too many dick riders that's quick to go blab a little look I'mma let you know now you with thugs what the you think this was? I'm what you want me to be Stop with me cause I'm a of the earth of the sea of the sky and fire free fire jump back at your man It's Mop and we at it again I ain't clapping over your head Imma make sure I pop something through you giving ultras but leg have your parents in the path to hollowed over your back May the Lord be what you gave over your day.

[Parks]

That'S Mop Face Off.

[Melissa Ford]

That was hard.

[Parks]

I love that record. I love that record. Shout out to Mop.

[Melissa Ford]

Speaking of hard records. Real quick, Mark before you go or Mel, I'm not. Go ahead. That snippet I played was the old Game record last pod.

[Parks]

Oh, I don't care.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I. I forgot the song. Like I have dramatic with dramatic.

[Joe Budden]

I just, just.

[Melissa Ford]

I saw the clip. I was like, oh, he's going right? They will not let me. Oh yo, it's Oh, I know.

[Parks]

Don't care.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Game can still rap. Rap. My point still stands. So we can let that go now, please.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

What? What, What Cassidy did.

[Ian]

I'm going from this Mac Miller album, man. This whole album. Oh, this whole album I love. But I'm going with one of the tear jerkers to me anyway. Funny Papers by Mac Miller.

[Sion]

Did no one ever teach you how to dance? Nobody ever taught you how to dance? Well, well, everyone knows how to dance. There's only so much time. Yeah, somebody died today. I saw his picture in the fuck money papers. Didn't think anybody died on a Friday. Some angry rancor Some kind of money trader recently divorced a drunk driver down the highway and drove off the bridge to his wedding song. Blew out the bass and the speakers you could still hear the trouble going the hospital was useless and everything was quiet but the music Recently I only meet peace when in deep sleep in the same dream world Saved a smile on her face Waiting on the other side I wonder if he'll take me to the other side yeah, what your eyes see 294 and that'll screw you still bet it all on the glory hallelujah I heard the answer in the gibberish of an old drunk all he said was he's in no rush if I could just pay my rent by Tuesday I better be rich by April Fool's day the moon's wide awake with a smile on his face T conservations in the suitcase don't you love silence? Everything quiet but the music Everything quiet.

[Joe Budden]

But the music.

[Sion]

Everything quiet Somebody gave birth to a baby boy I saw his picture in the funny papers £11. Named after his uncle Gabriel. His mother cried with her lips against soft face Watch bring these bright eyes into this dark place oh, sweet, sweet oblivion Way before the information gets settled in I swear to God I never want to sin again But I fear that the mind go with age don't see surrender my mistake I misplaced all of my remembers Baby, there's a little vacation in the dresser hey. One for the pressure and tune for your temper Just pay my rent by Tuesday I better be rich by April Fool's day the moon's wide awake with a smile on his face as he smuggle constellations in a suitcase don't you love silence? Oh, here come the icebreaker. It's danger when he's bringing out the lightsaber the word's awesome but he's talking out of turn off and I blew the fuck up. Never came the world's problem Bad hygiene. All about that gross life. Hate to see somebody fucking up their own life. Just roll the dice and put 20 on midnight. Have a feeling we gonna win tonight. Cause when the snake starts slithering, you spot the chameleons you realize you surrounded by reptilians. Illustrator why does it matter.

[Joe Budden]

At all?

[Parks]

That's Mac Miller. Funny papers. I think it outros for a while musically, which is beautiful. The album is.

[Ian]

It's a solid album for for post.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds like a lot of demos, but they're still fire because he was incredibly talented.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I like balloonerism.

[Parks]

Yeah. Belle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's called too many strings by kiana laday.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Corey]

Another sheep. When you got so much invested to win Tell me who gonna pay my bill When I did this to myself oh, yeah Started off as a flame turned into a thing Never thought it could be something I would give all my time my too it kiss me to love you honestly it's too many.

[Joe Budden]

Str.

[Corey]

So be caught up in your say your knees it's better if we cut it up before we get into deep feelings Got it far from the start we went way too far to cut it off to main street.

[Joe Budden]

When.

[Corey]

You'Re tired up it's not simple to leave it's too many str back to you like a yo yo let you go and come back for more my as well be a rodeo r so hard that I lose control I don't ask for much shouldn't be this hard to keep it up Started off as a flame into a never thought it could be something I would give all my time kills me to love you honestly it's too many str to be caught up in your knees it's better if we cut it up before we get it too deep Feel this.

[Joe Budden]

From.

[Corey]

The start we went way too far to cut it off Too many strings when you're tied up it's not simple to leave it's too many strings.

[Parks]

That'S keanu ladet. Too many strings Shout out to kiana.

[Joe Budden]

Now this might not be the best time to say it. Oh, God. You played that sleeper after our waste time argument.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a coincidence.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, girl. How's it going?

[Melissa Ford]

How's it go?

[Joe Budden]

You played too many strings.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a coincidence.

[Joe Budden]

Who wasted whose time to drink?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or was it.

[Joe Budden]

Flip? Love would mel mad at me?

[Parks]

Look.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, because she ain't mad at him.

[Parks]

He started it too.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I know. Flip is in heaven. Look at flip.

[Parks]

He threw a grenade. He did a joshi.

[Joe Budden]

He threw a grenade. I know, I know. I hate when it works. Works on me.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, that's my move.

[Joe Budden]

What you doing? Yeah, that's corny. I be wanting to tip him, but then it wouldn't work when I do it. Oh. Oh, man. Look at flat.

[Ian]

Look at flat.

[Joe Budden]

He happy as hell. Look at what loyalty looks like. How you bring it back on Just get up here and lie he gonna.

[Queens Flip]

Reverse it on me now I want.

[Joe Budden]

To be for no I'm Chilling. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. Listen, this was a great pod. I know y'all don't want to hear it, but y'all smoke today. In spite of how y'all may feel right now. Too many straight. Oh, the sirens were there.

[Melissa Ford]

I was in too deep with you.

[Joe Budden]

You too many stream.

[Queens Flip]

You the champ, man. You the champ, yo. You the champs. What would we be without you?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, facts.

[Queens Flip]

You are the champ.

[Melissa Ford]

We got a, like, got a big award or some bro. You take.

[Queens Flip]

I like, I like how she come back from it. P.S. paus be shocked. Like, did she say that?

[Joe Budden]

She said.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, she said, I forgot about that incident. She just reversed it again.

[Joe Budden]

It's like, oh, I just try to.

[Parks]

Stay out of it.

[Queens Flip]

When y'all get to do that. She trauma.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you can't beat trauma.

[Queens Flip]

Trauma like God cannot beat.

[Joe Budden]

You can't.

[Queens Flip]

I just love how she did a jo Jo.

[Melissa Ford]

I knew where she I. Good.

[Joe Budden]

Well, good for his ass.

[Queens Flip]

Good for his ass.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Then he tried to edit it out. She called him.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no context. That was funny.

[Parks]

Peace, love and happiness, you know.

[Melissa Ford]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We be wasting yalls time, yo. All right.

[Queens Flip]

I could get a pound again, man.

[Joe Budden]

All right, yo, we be wasting your time. All right, you got it. That's all.

[Parks]

That's all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. You know what? I thought about it. You're right. That be us. Be my favorite, though. Wait, y'all trying to educate the good ones. We don't need all them moving with intent out here.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing like a girl that'll sell herself.

[Queens Flip]

What?

[Joe Budden]

What? Oh, my lord.

[Queens Flip]

You guys are dick.

[Joe Budden]

Definitely refer to the tag.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, my game is different.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Mark, don't do that again either. Check on me. Why you check on me? I was squeezing my veins too.

[Ian]

I didn't see you.

[Joe Budden]

All right, listen, man. Great show. Great broadcast today. Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this broadcast as much much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers, especially me. Dead ass on game. Lord knows we all need to be there. Until the next time I bid you would do farewell. Adio. Cereva Dirturchi. Hasta la vista or voir simple head novels. The fight. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. Make this moment last as if it's all we have. And lastly, big male.

[Parks]

Hit it.

[Joe Budden]

Hit it. Like when I was going big mail. What? What happened? Lastly. Come on, you can do it.

[Queens Flip]

The baddies insecure.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Queens Flip]

Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

Women want to try.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Melissa Ford]

Close minded.

[Joe Budden]

Y'All hold it down out there, man. Hopefully everybody has a real good week. Anybody got any fun week plans? Week plans? Week plans. Just preparing.

[Melissa Ford]

Preparing my baby birthday is Thursday.

[Queens Flip]

Happy birthday, Arie.

[Joe Budden]

Love you.

[Ian]

My mom. My mom.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go pick Ari.

[Queens Flip]

My mom birthday is tomorrow. I mean, happy birthday, Mama.

[Joe Budden]

More reason to stay out of jail. Let's go, let's go. Mark. Mark. Anything happening with you?

[Ian]

Nope, Just hooping.

[Joe Budden]

Parks chilling.

[Queens Flip]

Mel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Taking care of business.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, every time one of y'all get in a fight with me, y'all start taking care of business. Anytime one of y'all get mad at me at the job. Now y'all want to go take that other meeting you was putting? I'll show his ass. I'll show him.

[Queens Flip]

I'm ready to sign to the black.

[Joe Budden]

You are terrible, son. All right, Al Harrington. I'm ready now.

[Queens Flip]

I'm ready. Did you see that last?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's. That's bro. That's bro. Oh, man, when she start doing this.

[Queens Flip]

And then pointing at her heart. Oh, she got y'all.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all is you and me.

[Joe Budden]

It's Joe and me. Today was by mistake, though. I was just doing the part of the show. I didn't even mean to. I had already got my male trigger off. I was cool. Took a.

[Ian]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I have nothing else for y'all, man. This was good. And I ain't got nothing popping this week. I'm going go watch that Diddy dog that I just recommended.

[Queens Flip]

I'm about to watch it too.

[Joe Budden]

Say, see what's going on out there? And that's it, man. Y'all hold it down. Peace, love, health, wealth and prosperity to all y'all, man. Remember Tupac, kids, If don't nobody else care, we'll be back this weekend, same time, same place.

[Queens Flip]

Sad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, I got small hands, a soft mouth, okay? I'm doing just.