Episode 796 | "The Distinguished Panel"

Summary

Episode 796 | "The Distinguished Panel" – The Joe Budden Podcast
Release Date: February 1, 2025

In Episode 796 of The Joe Budden Podcast, hosts Joe Budden and his friends embark on a multifaceted conversation that traverses music critiques, legal controversies, sports events, and personal relationship dynamics. Below is a detailed summary capturing the essential discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode.

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1. The Weeknd’s New Album Review

The episode opens with an enthusiastic discussion about The Weeknd's latest album, with particular praise for its production quality and innovative synth elements.

• Malcolm states at [34:48]:
  “The first half, to me, is absolutely incredible. It's a synth masterpiece.”

• Joe Budden echoes this sentiment at [35:00]:
  “He absolutely took off record. Feels like you're all part of me.”

However, as the conversation progresses, the hosts express mixed feelings about the latter half of the album, critiquing its repetitive melodies and lack of originality compared to earlier works. They debate whether The Weeknd's evolving sound signifies artistic growth or a departure from his signature style.

2. Legal Affairs: Max B. and the Puff Doc

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the documentary about Max B., known as the Puff Doc. The hosts critically analyze the portrayal of Max B.'s criminal activities and the reliability of the testimonies featured in the documentary.

• Malcolm comments at [105:07]:
  “The accuser, I believe her name was Talia. That story was extraordinarily graphic and gruesome.”

• Joe Budden adds skepticism at [106:38]:
  “I also think some of them people on there were lying.”

The panel debates the ethical implications of the documentary, questioning whether all participants were truthful and highlighting the importance of vetting sources to ensure an accurate depiction of events.

3. Airplane Crash in DC: Reporting and Political Implications

The hosts shift focus to a tragic Black Hawk helicopter crash into an American Airlines flight in Washington, D.C., dissecting the initial media coverage and political fallout.

• Joe Budden expresses doubt at [141:04]:
  “It was another crash too. That wasn’t the only plane crash.”

• Parks adds at [137:34]:
  “He lost his life as well, right?”

They critique President Donald Trump's swift blame on then-Vice President Joe Biden, suggesting potential shortcomings in aviation oversight and questioning the competence of regulatory agencies involved.

4. NBA All-Star Weekend: Player Performances and Controversies

The conversation turns to sports, specifically the NBA All-Star Weekend, with a spotlight on players like Lamelo Ball and Terry Rozier.

• Malcolm observes at [36:53]:
  “Yeah, for sure.”

• Ish adds concerns at [94:47]:
  “It's hard to do in nine minutes. That's very hard to do.”

They discuss Rozier's alleged involvement in a gambling scheme and the implications of recent changes in All-Star voting procedures, where fans now account for 50% of the votes, while players and media contribute 25% each. The hosts debate the fairness and impact of these changes on player selections.

5. Relationship Advice and Personal Interactions

Amidst the broader topics, the hosts engage in personal exchanges regarding relationships, offering advice and voicing frustrations about each other's romantic lives.

• Parks emphasizes accountability at [87:06]:
  “You have to take responsibility. That you had plenty of red flags in your face and you chose to ignore them.”

• Joe Budden responds critically at [48:23]:
  “I think that you should have been more aware of the fizzle out or the wind down to do this.”

These moments highlight the interpersonal dynamics among the hosts, blending personal experiences with broader relationship philosophies.

6. General Banter and Podcast Dynamics

Throughout the episode, the panel maintains a lively atmosphere with frequent teasing, jokes, and shoutouts to friends and listeners, embodying the podcast's informal and engaging style.

• Joe Budden concludes with a music recommendation:
  “I got a song called 'Lord Knows' by Aaron Page. Shout out to him.” ([242:08])

This blend of serious analysis and playful interaction ensures the podcast remains both informative and entertaining.

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Conclusion

Episode 796 of The Joe Budden Podcast exemplifies the show's ability to seamlessly navigate diverse topics, from in-depth music critiques and legal debates to sports controversies and personal relationship discussions. The dynamic interactions among the hosts, combined with their candid opinions and critical assessments, provide listeners with a comprehensive and engaging listening experience.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Mike. Mike. Mike. Damn, I sound good.

[Malcolm]

Hey, man.

[Joe Budden]

Hello. Yeah. Yep, yep. Hey. There we go. That sound nice.

[Ish]

You turned these up.

[Joe Budden]

No, you did something over there.

[Ish]

Some sound louder.

[Joe Budden]

I sound good.

[Ish]

Mine just sound louder.

[Joe Budden]

Forgot what my flirt voice sound like. Stupid ass relationship. Forgot when I get my flirt. I mean, my flirt voice. Hey, voice note time. Voice note him down.

[Parks]

That's what a lot of, like, girls that I know comment on is your voice really? His voice is so sexy.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm like, oh, that's what you do.

[Parks]

You do have a nice voice. But it's like, I don't. I. It's like, thank you. You know, like my brother. So it's like, I don't want to hear, like, girlfriends, like, drooling over you.

[Joe Budden]

So thanks, Melissa.

[Parks]

Yeah, you do have it. You do have a nice voice. You do have a nice voice.

[Malcolm]

A lot of hate.

[Joe Budden]

Don't hate. Don't hate to your friends. Like, if your friends is giving it up, you can hate on me.

[Parks]

I do say I'm like, your friends.

[Joe Budden]

Is giving it up. You gotta give up a little bit with him. You gotta give up a little bit. I see what you mean.

[Parks]

I do concede. I'm like, he does have a very, very nice voice. He does. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Antwan, you good, My brother, you Good.

[Ish]

Straight at 6:00, brother. We good.

[Joe Budden]

You know my voice is good. That's why you used to let me do the talking.

[Ish]

Is that what it was?

[Joe Budden]

Why you think I used to do the talking? Go over there and woo them with the voice real quick. I'll come in with the eyes, nice.

[Ish]

Little tandem, and then you hit them with the thumb.

[Joe Budden]

Voice. Eyes, thumb.

[Ish]

That's the triangle. We got him.

[Malcolm]

Triangle offense.

[Joe Budden]

What's up, man?

[Malcolm]

Good.

[Ish]

What's good? How y'all doing?

[Joe Budden]

Great. Happy to be here. Happy to see each and every one of you for sure. My God.

[Parks]

How you feeling?

[Malcolm]

Yeah. Welcome back. Ish.

[Joe Budden]

I'm good.

[Malcolm]

You sounded crazy coming in today, but sound a little better now, too.

[Joe Budden]

Little steroid shot in the ass. That'll get that voice back, right? In a matter of minutes. That's the only thing to do it. Who's.

[Ish]

Who's giving the Steroids.

[Joe Budden]

Corey, you can do what you doing. How you feeling, man?

[Ish]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

I heard something about you ten minutes ago that I don't believe is true.

[Ish]

It ain't true.

[Malcolm]

Then let's hear it.

[Ish]

It's not true.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody on this couch told me. Somebody on this couch told me.

[Parks]

Why are. Why, why. Why are you starting so early?

[Joe Budden]

Cause I don't believe it.

[Parks]

It was something that I heard, too.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. That's how you do it. Get it off. Hey, get it off, you. Fuck you. Get it off.

[Malcolm]

You guys be gossiping about my guy.

[Joe Budden]

What the fuck is going on over here? Somebody said that you believe the reason you're balding the way that you are now is because of the headphones.

[Ish]

Who said that? Somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody on this couch told me. I don't know who told them, okay? Now, I said to her, I mean.

[Malcolm]

This is why wear the wireless ones.

[Joe Budden]

I said to this person. Her. He didn't say that. You lying on my man. And what did that person say?

[Parks]

I heard it, but unlike you, I'm not going to spill my sources.

[Joe Budden]

Ericson. Tor Flip. Oh, this timing him out.

[Malcolm]

Get the Burger King.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, let's get a pod. Started with ratting with some snitch.

[Ish]

That's why you think.

[Joe Budden]

How has your. How is. How has your week off, Ben?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, What'd you do?

[Joe Budden]

Which is really two weeks in pod time Work.

[Ish]

I ain't do sh.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what?

[Ish]

Hold up.

[Joe Budden]

What the hell? He worked.

[Ish]

What am I supposed to do?

[Joe Budden]

Jesus. Work.

[Ish]

That's all you do. What. What else you do? But you took off work to work. I couldn't talk.

[Malcolm]

Oh, he could build, though.

[Ish]

He could build.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could have came in, made some faces. You could have came in. Just been moral support.

[Malcolm]

Now, doing a mind pod is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he could have done his little sign language thing, getting his bag. Nah, that would say, keep that away. Well, I'm glad you're feeling better. Was it the vid?

[Ish]

Nah, I took the shit. I said no. There's so much going around, my nigga. They all cousins?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, all residents.

[Malcolm]

All I saw was Covid flu, cold.

[Ish]

Bronchitis, some Noro, whatever. Noro something. All that is cousins.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you were sick for, like, a while. Like, you did Tupac sick and then took two parts off sick.

[Ish]

Well, you know, he. He ain't get that. That. Imani.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, my wills.

[Ish]

Imani, he said you got him sick. Buy your own hookah, yo. We had that. Let me tell you.

[Joe Budden]

Where's that covering it?

[Ish]

No, where's that. That when you left, we had nat. Shit. Hook it up. Y'all ain't had your own tips.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I told my girl, yo, Ice.

[Ish]

What's wrong with Ice? Yeah, we had our own tips, nigga. Two days later, day and a half later, it was a wrap.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all split the hookah?

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't really like letting no dudes pull on my hookah. Pause.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, I'm talking about split the bill on the hookah. Like, no went halfsies. No, nigga, I will jump you, nigga. What's wrong if y'all went halfsies on the hookah?

[Ish]

Hookah?

[Joe Budden]

You owe me 30, dog.

[Ish]

And I got a refill.

[Joe Budden]

Send it. I'm kind of glad I don't smoke hooker no more, though.

[Malcolm]

Same. That's one of the reasons why I stopped communal smoking things. Disgusting.

[Ish]

But you. You smoke weed behind.

[Joe Budden]

No, I won't really.

[Malcolm]

Not really. If it's like a very close friend that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

I mean, cool. Family member, wife, something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

But otherwise, no. No.

[Joe Budden]

Really? Yeah. No. Yeah, that's what's happening now.

[Malcolm]

People was just like, there's enough weed out there. It's not like the 90s when it was like.

[Ish]

I always thought that was the most disgusting in the world. You sit there and watch a roll up, be licking it, putting the blunt in their mouth, but getting it all wet, you. And it dries off.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what Imani do to the hookah tip. Suck on it a little bit.

[Malcolm]

Wait till he gets here, then.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, that's my man. That's my man. I'll take it back. The hookah host be mad racist. Some of them. He don't like to hear that. No. He say no. You say no. No, I'm good on hookah. Yeah. I don't want the hookah. Take your 45 begging ass over there.

[Malcolm]

Hey, it's funny because they do it on, like, a different tab. At least up here. Most spots like, you pay the hookah guys separate.

[Ish]

Separate.

[Malcolm]

So that's why they'd be tight. Like, this is their whole.

[Joe Budden]

And that's when that. That was another reason I stopped smoking, that I probably stopped before then. But, yeah, you take. You take the hookah. All right, all right, OG. I got you. He's staying there.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. Cash only.

[Ish]

No, you. That's the one. No, you pay now.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm Joe Budden. No, no, no, I'm Joe Buden.

[Ish]

No. Pump it, though. Pay it, though.

[Joe Budden]

Ask something. Ask around.

[Ish]

Pay it, though.

[Joe Budden]

What the fuck are you talking about? All right. One call to Big T. Oh, got one. Somebody right here in Journal Square, yo.

[Malcolm]

You're horrible.

[Ish]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Spanish Papa Ar, you call my man Ice on here, See what's going on. They clearing the streets.

[Ish]

That ain't funny.

[Joe Budden]

It's not horrible, bro. It's not funny at all.

[Ish]

The photo of the century, though, is they taking the dude away. I don't know if it's AI or it's fake, but they taking the dude away. And on the back of his shirt it say, latinos for Trump. Oh, my gracious. That's the best shit in the world.

[Parks]

I did not know if that was AI, but that's the best shit in.

[Ish]

The world, even if it is or it ain't.

[Parks]

I was this close to reposting.

[Ish]

I know you was this close. I had a 40 minute caption. Y'all roll past Home Depot. Empty.

[Malcolm]

Damn. I've been there in a couple weeks.

[Ish]

Listen, the Home Depot's in my hood. It'd be 70 outside.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't been here in a couple weeks. Yeah, they cleared out Home Depot.

[Ish]

Empty.

[Joe Budden]

What about Lowe's?

[Ish]

Damn, I ain't really seeing them in front of those like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we so racing. They don't.

[Ish]

They don't.

[Parks]

Why do they do. Why are they at Home Depot and not Lowe's?

[Ish]

Lowe's don't get the same traffic that Home Depot location, especially here. Okay, like, they don't. They don't get the same.

[Parks]

I didn't know if there was, like, a preference.

[Ish]

And then low. Home Depot right in a little bit bougie.

[Parks]

Got it. Got it.

[Ish]

In New Jersey, the lows are in, like, more bougie area.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

So is your company good?

[Ish]

Straight, straight, like 6:00.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta make sure now, make sure.

[Parks]

Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

[Joe Budden]

Big flip in the building. Peace, peace, peace. Straight from a spacer. Sit down.

[Ish]

That's cool, that's cool, that's cool.

[Malcolm]

I didn't need that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no. My daughter got suspended, yo.

[Parks]

Oh, what'd she do?

[Melissa Ford]

For lateness, I'll be coming late. I didn't know they do that in Jersey.

[Ish]

Suspend you.

[Melissa Ford]

They suspended for two days for excessive lateness. Even though she's done the honor roll.

[Ish]

So I ain't never heard that one. She gonna make you miss two days because you was coming late to school?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, 24 to. They said 24 year to date.

[Joe Budden]

It's not a bad little rule. What?

[Ish]

That's a dumbass rule.

[Melissa Ford]

It's mad dumb. I was in there yelling they on or something.

[Joe Budden]

They might have changed the game. Hold on. Nah, that's stupid. Nah, that's. That's dumb as hell. That's crazy. They did real quick.

[Melissa Ford]

I did hear y'all talking. The streets is clear. Liberty Avenue in Queens.

[Joe Budden]

It's not funny, yo.

[Ish]

No, we can't laugh.

[Joe Budden]

Why we keep laughing and saying it? Because it's not funny.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not.

[Malcolm]

It's horrible.

[Joe Budden]

The manner in which they going to get some of these niggas. I'm not mature enough to not laugh at that part. And I voted for Kamala, so I feel like I should be able to laugh for four years. If I voted for Kamala, I gotta get my shit off for y'all niggas that did this on the news this morning, they was going in a house to look for somebody that wasn't there. Made the family get out, line up outside, realized homie wasn't there, and just took dad. Yo. Hey, we're not gonna waste this shit. Miguel, turn it around. Yeah. Ain't wasting the street. So I know my papers is in the process. They don't want to hear none of that in the process.

[Ish]

Process. Look, even the lady, the Congress lady from. I think she from Florida. Cuban lady. You know, the Cubans voted for Trump. Like, that's their cousin. She like, no, see, the people that already have their applications in, we gotta put something in to stop. No, nigga, get the fuck outta here. That's your man. Then she tried to blame Biden. Nah, that's your people's. Fuck outta here, dodo.

[Melissa Ford]

American has become so used to strip clubs. America had become so used to people. Or the migrants or immigrants, however we describe them, but just people doing work.

[Malcolm]

Those are two different things. But Carry on.

[Melissa Ford]

Same shit.

[Malcolm]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Which one? Migraines. Explain.

[Malcolm]

Immigrants are, I think, theoretically, people that come here legally.

[Joe Budden]

Legally.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I mean.

[Malcolm]

Exiles from other countries.

[Melissa Ford]

Anyway, thank you very much.

[Malcolm]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

Which one. Which ones are you doing the attack on? You got. You got to attack on the migrants?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I did for four months.

[Joe Budden]

It's been much.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Listen.

[Melissa Ford]

I did, but they checked me when I got ready. Yo, they got you.

[Ish]

He was mad about them on the bikes.

[Melissa Ford]

The little school tight. We became so accustomed to people doing work for us. Now who's gonna do the jobs?

[Joe Budden]

That's racist.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it's not. That's not racist'cause a lot of Americans are lazy. It's not racist, okay?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mature enough to have this.

[Ish]

He got a point. He got a point.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you, man.

[Ish]

A lot of Americans not doing the job for the money that they would do it for.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Parks]

And what are the jobs?

[Melissa Ford]

What does this do to the economy?

[Joe Budden]

Look.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he gonna breathe. What does this do to the economy? They take. Hey, yo, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

This is one of those times where I will not step on whatever talk that y'all are willing to have. Joseph Anthony Button Jr. Has plead the. What y'all say about the American.

[Melissa Ford]

Every time I get to the cliff, you just let me shut down like I did in Utah. He never pulled the rope.

[Joe Budden]

It's the weekend I got you.

[Ish]

The lady was like, who going to pick our strawberries?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I was like.

[Melissa Ford]

Can you say that on Billy Bob? Billy Bob gonna take strawberries and eat them off.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Melissa Ford]

He ain't even gonna wash them shits off. We need people that's dedicated to the job. A lot of us is lazy.

[Ish]

A construction site, nigga, you think it's.

[Melissa Ford]

Gonna go out there and fucking mow lawn, nigga? No.

[Ish]

Yes, nigga.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, not the way you did it. I saw your shit. I saw some of your properties.

[Ish]

Yo, the construction site. It was the. Said he got 43 employees. Nine showed up to work.

[Melissa Ford]

Facts.

[Ish]

So that's gonna stop the building going up My. Like, it's gonna have negative effects.

[Parks]

The restaurant industry, all of that.

[Melissa Ford]

It's bad right now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's bad.

[Melissa Ford]

You're right, man.

[Ish]

I would.

[Joe Budden]

I would like to go trip up America's power grid. What?

[Parks]

Wait, what do you mean? Like, throw the lights on, switch off, it's gone.

[Ish]

Like we did before.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's go get nasty.

[Joe Budden]

No, like, no water, no nothing. Just.

[Ish]

You are anarchy.

[Joe Budden]

Just alive, bitch. I was watching somebody on Joe Rogan. They were talking about what's gonna happen if the power grid.

[Ish]

I don't got enough bullets.

[Joe Budden]

The power grid's gonna turn off and what will it look like? It will be the apocalypse. The modern day anarchy. And I was like, this is interesting.

[Ish]

It's coming.

[Parks]

We've seen kind of examples of that shit. Like, very weird. Very, very examples.

[Melissa Ford]

And look how we act.

[Parks]

Like when we had that big blackout in 2003. When Hurricane San. When the supers. I know it's not the same. It's just. It's literally. It's a tiny little snapshot as to how people.

[Ish]

We never got to the desperation part, though.

[Melissa Ford]

We still have water.

[Ish]

We got desperation for then.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

When that desperation kicked in and is kicking indoors and. And all right, you got some food over there. We coming to get it. When unemployment hits 30 and 40%, then your cool ass Neighbor next door gonna be the nigga sneaking in your house when you and your wife leave. That's what they talking about. They gonna sneak.

[Melissa Ford]

They gonna walk right in.

[Ish]

Nigga, midday, they kicking in the door, they getting shot. But anyway.

[Joe Budden]

And I've seen something else that talked about just how many valuables Leo DiCaprio lost in the fire. That wouldn't be a bad trip going to.

[Ish]

They had the dudes that was looting.

[Joe Budden]

See if he left some shit.

[Parks]

Wait, so his house got looted or it was burned to the ground.

[Joe Budden]

Burned to the ground. But the valuables that were burnt to the ground in his house.

[Ish]

Going in.

[Joe Budden]

There looting millions in art.

[Melissa Ford]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

What else did they say it was? He had a lot of stuff.

[Ish]

Yeah, I had a whole lot of stuff when the house burned down. Whole lot of millions.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't. No, no. And that's just based off your baby picture. I'm telling you, everything now is based off your baby picture. When your head was mad 35 years old and you was holding Arsenal around the hips. Everything he say now, that pops up in my head.

[Ish]

Take your headphones off.

[Joe Budden]

That head was that size, Paul.

[Ish]

No, that ear. He must have got his ears pimped back like a pit bull. Yeah, that ears looks like this at first.

[Melissa Ford]

No, his head grew into his ear to the side, whatever that is.

[Ish]

Yeah, but your used to be like. I mean. Or the 90s.

[Joe Budden]

We got.

[Melissa Ford]

We got to do something, man.

[Joe Budden]

What we gotta.

[Melissa Ford]

You know, I'm worried about you. I'm worried about your workers and shit, man.

[Ish]

For what?

[Melissa Ford]

Cause you got a lot of joints.

[Ish]

We good around here, fam.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You keep talking about white people, bigging them up because you, you know, you procreated with one. But that doesn't mean anything, bro.

[Joe Budden]

The house is going up slow and slow over there.

[Ish]

I'm lost.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm telling you that the workers that you usually deal with, Jamaicans and whomever they are out, they're not outside no more. So now we gotta go elsewhere.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go to Europe.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's put out a Craigslist ad. Nigga, let's get him down here, bro.

[Ish]

My workers are fine.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay? All right.

[Ish]

No, my projects have not stopped. Oh, I'm good.

[Malcolm]

Talk heavy.

[Melissa Ford]

Any of that.

[Ish]

I'm fine.

[Malcolm]

Talk my heavy.

[Joe Budden]

Big Heavy.

[Melissa Ford]

My cousin got a construction company that n said, nobody cares. He called me yesterday.

[Ish]

He said, yo, nobody, I'm telling you.

[Melissa Ford]

And I tried to play a trick, and you know how my car's all black. I tried to pull up where two guys were standing Them ran. So I said. I said, jr, I didn't want to put the video up because I don't do that no more. But leave them people alone, man. I want to stressed out enough. I'll show y'all. I pulled the method. Open the door. Them niggas was gone. That's wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, yes.

[Melissa Ford]

I just wanted to see if the effect was real.

[Ish]

What, you thought they was gonna talk to you?

[Melissa Ford]

I would have been talking. Had no plates neither. I said, j, I'll take the talk.

[Ish]

Yo, this nigga.

[Melissa Ford]

They run fast, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yosh. Okay. Thank you very. Thank you. A big fox. They run fast. Wheels, relax. Wheels.

[Ish]

What'S wrong with you?

[Malcolm]

This song was unironically planned. Because this is not good times, right?

[Joe Budden]

It's not. Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check, 1, 2', 1, 2. Shout to wherever you might be listening from Shout to the first and last time listening Shout to the hate listeners. Let's go 40 and up. 40 and up. 50 and up right now.

[Ish]

It's that skate music.

[Joe Budden]

I should probably get busy to this year.

[Melissa Ford]

He get crazy.

[Ish]

Let's get together.

[Joe Budden]

How about a quarter to 10? Big jersey, big Jersey. Shout out to the whole New York City, Connecticut, Boston.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, you went back with your skates. You used to go backwards.

[Joe Budden]

Use that drop down shit like this. Be more. What up, Delaware, what's good old dmv? Hey, always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Got a great show lined up for y'all today, man. So happy to be here, so blessed to be here. All praise due to God. Shout out to the truck drivers out there. The teachers, the postal workers, all the longshoremen out there. All the 9 to 5ers, entrepreneurs, Uber drivers, taxi drivers Everybody working retail was popping, hopping on hey, everybody in corporate bag Shout out to the dope boys and the dope girls all the gang members listening Salute, salute, salute, salute. All the scammers what up, what up, what up Everybody in the building hey. All the sub groups out there hey, what up, me? Do you want me in the way? I really need you do you need me? Shout out to all the bad out there Manium uglies too what's up, what up, what up, what up all my independent ladies make some noise.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't going to lie. You'll kill us S. Yo, you, you kill us S, bro. You got. You got a D. Live show. You got to DJ first.

[Joe Budden]

We got to get to the live show. But yeah, I'll do it. I used to do it, now you kill it. Nice gloomy day in New York City.

[Ish]

He.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody out there stuck in traffic right now.

[Ish]

What up, what up, what up, what up?

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the niggas out there that the friend group.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the friend groups that the nigga. Hey. Oh, yeah. Hey.

[Ish]

Big mouth, Big mouth. Big mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Big ma. Big. My man Will's up in the building. Shout out to. Yeah. Shout out the wheels. Shout out the wh.

[Melissa Ford]

We see you out there. Willing, willing, willing. Look at.

[Joe Budden]

See how you're doing it. Wheels.

[Melissa Ford]

Afro. Wills with Afro.

[Joe Budden]

Wills with Afro. All right, we getting to it, man. Shout out to everybody outside right now. Just in case it's a midnight drop. Shout out to the lit out there. Hey, buddy. At the bar right now. What up? What up, up.

[Parks]

Whoa.

[Joe Budden]

What are you laughing at?

[Parks]

M. Wheels. I was watching that clip like last week and dying. That was so funny.

[Joe Budden]

That's big Wheels right there. Microphone check. Mic, mic, mic, mic. My mic sounds nice. Check one. Can we kick it?

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

We're just here to kick it. We don't want no problems. Flip and mel. Mel, Mel. 790. What? Six creeping up, creeping up. Welcome to episode 796 of the Best podcast in the entire world.

[Malcolm]

That's right.

[Joe Budden]

I'm the best host in this entire universe. Jump off, Joe Beasy, fully dressed, happy to be here. To my right, you know the vibes. Legend. Legend in the game. Big M4. Melissa Ford in the building next to her. Queens. Flip Queens, get the money. Queens. What's good?

[Melissa Ford]

What's poppin?

[Joe Budden]

What's up? Thanks to him, Big wheels. King Wawa. Big wheels, Big issues in the building. What up, what up, what up, what up, what up?

[Melissa Ford]

Welcome back.

[Ish]

Hey, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, thanks, buddy.

[Melissa Ford]

Freezes.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't got time for this today. Big freeze. Elizabeth Finest is in the building. Elmira's Finest Part Parks is in the building. Poe is in the building. Corey's in the building. Keeb and Ian are here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys is here with us. What up, what up, what up? How's everybody feeling?

[Malcolm]

Who powers this episode?

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Brought to you by Feud by Powered by Prize Picks. Prize picks, gang. Important to get that out. While a lot of podcasts are struggling to find funding, very important to just get that off. While some other podcasters may be cutting budgets.

[Malcolm]

Oh, is that Shade struggling?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Malcolm]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

No. Every time I try to diss podcasters as a whole, y'all always attribute it to just one or two.

[Malcolm]

Oh, maybe it was.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. No, no, no. It's fully automatic.

[Malcolm]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Spray the whole up. Yeah. I mean, good luck to all y'all out there. What's up with y'all?

[Melissa Ford]

Good, Good.

[Ish]

How was your week?

[Joe Budden]

What's up with y'all? Good, good, good.

[Ish]

How was your week, everybody?

[Joe Budden]

Great, Good.

[Malcolm]

Busy studio.

[Ish]

Sick.

[Malcolm]

Regular shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Working man preparing in the crib. Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

You got your shit coming up, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, tomorrow. So I'm preparing for that.

[Joe Budden]

I've been preparing.

[Ish]

What's tomorrow?

[Parks]

The room.

[Joe Budden]

Tell them over there. I will tell them over there. We did that. Mad week.

[Melissa Ford]

That's it. That was nasty. You could have did it better than that also. That's the point. That was nasty.

[Joe Budden]

There you go again. I apologize.

[Melissa Ford]

You could have seen your guys.

[Joe Budden]

We'll talk about it later. My apologize later. We'll tell. Tell you. Yeah, we'll tell you.

[Malcolm]

There we go.

[Joe Budden]

But I ain't do unannounced in the house all week. Watching tv, eating.

[Melissa Ford]

You've been in the house lately a lot.

[Joe Budden]

It feels good. It feels good. I'm not going to hold.

[Melissa Ford]

How's your sleeping patterns? Good.

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[Melissa Ford]

How's your smell? Have you been smelling things that you know, have your nose holes open up to different smells?

[Malcolm]

Nose holes?

[Joe Budden]

Nobody's pregnant. I knew that's what he was going after. You got a.

[Melissa Ford]

You got an up.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody pregnant.

[Melissa Ford]

Twinsies. Good.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, my big mom hit me. Said she won't come in the pot.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

And. And. And what?

[Malcolm]

Did you say yes or no, Cory?

[Joe Budden]

No. I got to check with y'all to see if y'all baby moms is coming.

[Ish]

What that got to do with us?

[Joe Budden]

One baby mom?

[Melissa Ford]

This is crazy.

[Ish]

They got nothing to do with us.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody got to be him. Bring her up. Bring her through.

[Ish]

Oh, handle your business over there.

[Joe Budden]

Be so shook.

[Ish]

Ain't got nothing to do with us. Handle your business.

[Joe Budden]

King.

[Melissa Ford]

They don't play at all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, I've been in the house getting good sleep. I told you, first quarter of the year, I'm feeling out 25. And, yeah, it look away. So I'm chilling.

[Malcolm]

It looks crazy outside.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to do too much now that I think about this strip club's been kind of empty.

[Malcolm]

Well, ideal.

[Joe Budden]

So, you know, great for me.

[Malcolm]

The same reason what we just talked about 20 minutes ago.

[Ish]

Same reason Home Depot empty.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Nah, but they.

[Joe Budden]

What? You just got back. You got to talk to us.

[Malcolm]

Different caulk.

[Ish]

Yeah, that was the same call. But no, they think it's different. They think they only looking for South Americans. They don't think that they necessarily looking for them. Especially in New York.

[Melissa Ford]

It's facts now. They running it everywhere. They got running at the show. It's crazy.

[Ish]

They gonna clip yo. It's gonna be a bunch of skinny white on starless.

[Melissa Ford]

Coming. Coming to the building. Well, come to the stage, Rebecca. Look at Becky with that cardboard.

[Joe Budden]

And Trinity.

[Melissa Ford]

Trinity, Saturday, Sapphire.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I will throw tomatoes in the business.

[Ish]

Yeah, you gon get Sapphires.

[Joe Budden]

Trinity Flash dancer. Always a trinity.

[Malcolm]

Might be some pogs in there, you.

[Ish]

Know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Might be. What's a pog again? Fat ass white girl.

[Malcolm]

That's right.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey, you a pog. Shut up.

[Melissa Ford]

What's up with your week, man? How what you did?

[Parks]

You know, just had some meetings and stuff.

[Melissa Ford]

After the episode, you took me in. I want to take all my meetings after the episode. Last episode you took your meetings.

[Parks]

They were already scheduled.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. How did the meetings go?

[Parks]

Fabulous. I am very well prepared for season two.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, okay. Got you. Got you. Hot and bothered. Sponsorship this time.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There we go.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta backed him down. Backed him down. Big mouth backed him down with the E's.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a shot at you, nigga.

[Ish]

I'm good.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm down with her. Nigga, you fucked up last. You fucked up last episode, nigga. Now the sponsors are coming out, nigga. Thank you. We out of here, man. Bother with Flip.

[Joe Budden]

He's such a mess.

[Malcolm]

You're definitely bothered.

[Joe Budden]

He's bothered. He's definitely bothered. She's hot.

[Malcolm]

Multiple. Multiple double entendre.

[Joe Budden]

He's funny. All right, what's going on? It's man serious in the world for.

[Ish]

Us to talk about.

[Joe Budden]

I'm silly and immature, so I prefer not to start with anything serious. Queue up the half of the audience that says, oh, Joe's so immature. He doesn't want to talk about anything serious. Yep, you're right. Now you got me. It's a weekend. God damn it.

[Malcolm]

Oh, man, that's a segue if you want to go there.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

I see what you did. We do have new weekend music. We got an album tomorrow.

[Malcolm]

I stayed up for a while.

[Joe Budden]

What's the name of this?

[Ish]

Hurry Up Tomorrow.

[Joe Budden]

Hurry Up Tomorrow.

[Ish]

Which closes out the trilogy, huh?

[Malcolm]

How?

[Ish]

This is the third album of the trilogy. It was the After Hours, dawn fm and now this. And he's killing off the weekend character as a whole. You know, he do all this extra with him.

[Malcolm]

I didn't get none of that.

[Parks]

So then what is he supposed what's he going to become after this?

[Ish]

I don't know if he's going to.

[Joe Budden]

Go by a weekday, a week?

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't know. Thursday.

[Parks]

Okay, that's, that's interesting.

[Joe Budden]

Weirdos. Let's get right to it. Let's get right to the proceedings. You heard my guy say track one. Talk to him like D. Wake me up off of Hurry Up Tomorrow. Love that title. He's the only one I'll accept these Michael Jackson flips from, I'll tell you that much. Who else? Chris.

[Ish]

Chris?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. When is Chris gonna do that Michael Jackson flips?

[Ish]

He's the him.

[Joe Budden]

What? What flip?

[Ish]

He did PYT flip. He did want to rock with you.

[Joe Budden]

No, you got to shut up, man. Don't you. I going to know. I. I going to let you know.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, he knows, son.

[Parks]

He's an encyclopedia.

[Joe Budden]

Look at his baby picture.

[Melissa Ford]

From then we could tell that head.

[Joe Budden]

Was just storing information from 4 years old.

[Melissa Ford]

Ultra Tron.

[Joe Budden]

Ultra Tron. Hey, let's go. Let it ride, let it rock. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Give me this is this part at least is not Michael Jackson. This is Godfather Part 3. The same Georgio, Mortar, Scarface soundtrack.

[Joe Budden]

I hear that now. I may want to be dropped.

[Malcolm]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, look at us on our music nerds. School them, school them.

[Malcolm]

Getting it.

[Joe Budden]

That Godfather, she gonna always work. Oh, yeah. Oh.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, my check.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I was on the next one. Wait a minute, you was. Hey, I was like, hold on, I.

[Malcolm]

Gotta stay up a little bit.

[Ish]

That's not a sample parts, that's a replay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Malcolm]

Super.

[Joe Budden]

I went to bed early. So I woke up at around 2am and caught this. This was like a cup of coffee. Hey, let's go, let's go, let's work, let's work. Hey, wait till Westar get a load of this one.

[Melissa Ford]

Bend your elbows, bend your elbows.

[Joe Budden]

Move to get it. Yeah. He let Bruno Mars know.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Bruno what? Bruno who? Hey.

[Ish]

Bruno could never, never.

[Malcolm]

They were absolutely crazy Dog. Mike Dean and Justice in the room. It should be illegal.

[Ish]

This made me want to go buy some new headphones. I need to hear this on something different.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I need to hear this in the car. I'm not gonna lie. But I had it in the big in the studio.

[Joe Budden]

So everyone that heard the album. Everyone that heard the album, tell me what you think. Initial thoughts. I know it's early. This just came out a few hours ago. I'm not holding you to a. A real deep dive, but I got one.

[Malcolm]

Listen, I started last night and listened to the first 13. I ended with The Pharrell and Playboy Carti record. And then listen to the second half this morning. The first half, to me, is absolutely incredible. It's a synth masterpiece. For my synth nerds out there, Mike Dean went absolutely crazy. Mike Dean, Metro Woman also should just produce everything because the records they did together on this and on future's last couple albums are incredible. And some of the Kanye. I love this. The second half to me, I don't know, it kind of dragged. But I also listened to it in the morning. It's not the same. I listen to the first half on Edibles at Midnight. Yeah, it's a little different than driving in the morning, you know what I mean? But I love is the first Weekend project I loved on first listen since that EP he dropped however long ago.

[Ish]

My dear Melancholy.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I think that's what it was.

[Ish]

My first from track one, I was like, this sounds dark for sure. And I love Dark Weekend.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like it still had that 80s synth sound. Yeah. But it wasn't poppy facts. So I was like, oh, yeah, I'm locked in already.

[Joe Budden]

I'm good.

[Ish]

I didn't get as far as you did because it was late.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Kids and all shit. But yeah, I just took away that. Okay. If we want some dark sounding shit, that is super synth up. You got me.

[Malcolm]

And I like. I like Weeknd's development in terms of melody writing. They seemed a lot more interesting. And I don't know if that's a result of being in studio with Mike Dean, who's a fucking super musical. Fucking. He's creating all these melodies on the keyboard, so maybe they're bouncing off each other.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Malcolm]

But for a while, I feel like Weekend got into a. A flow that was like that rap R and B flow where you're just doing a simple ass melody.

[Joe Budden]

Repetitive.

[Malcolm]

Super repetitive. And this is not that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm.

[Ish]

I'm looking forward to it.

[Joe Budden]

I enjoyed the first half of this project, but to me, it took off at track nine now with that.

[Malcolm]

That future Travis Scott and the ones.

[Joe Budden]

Right around that track nine was Reflections Laughing. I'll play a little bit of that. Like we've already said the production on this.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, it's the Travis record.

[Joe Budden]

This one.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Do we still love the trend of them not listing features on projects? I appreciated when Elliot uploaded the track list with the features. Yeah. Let me know who's on the song.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Even though I'm a text them off on the title. But I want to see.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's all.

[Malcolm]

The credits are easy enough to read. On Apple, so. Or Spotify a lot of places. The credits aren't easy to read so I think you have to title. It's a little different. You can just go in and look.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Reflections Laughing. Track nine.

[Malcolm]

It's being stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I gotta go out tonight. Gotta hear it outside.

[Malcolm]

This ain't road trip album for me.

[Ish]

This sound like old weekend house of balloons is.

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Let's not get crazy.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

No, I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

Let's not get crazy. Not saying let's. Let's not get too crazy. Now I see what you said.

[Malcolm]

The darkness of it is. That's reminiscent of.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying.

[Malcolm]

The first.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. There was a little two album phase where he was just a little too popped out.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ish]

It was too much.

[Malcolm]

There's a couple Starboy era.

[Ish]

Which he was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm a star boy. Even though I like some of them joints on here. Yeah.

[Ish]

Some of the songs is cool. But overall.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. He back in his dark B. Oh my Lord. God damn. This is sick. Crazy. This music is just.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

This production, mixing, mastering. It just sounds expensive.

[Malcolm]

Very, very.

[Ish]

But it sounds good.

[Malcolm]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to find this luxurious.

[Ish]

That's what it sounds.

[Malcolm]

This is crazy too.

[Joe Budden]

This is 10, I'm telling you. 9. He absolutely took off record.

[Malcolm]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

Feels like you're all part of me.

[Melissa Ford]

It's true. Oh no.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in my village. God damn.

[Ish]

They can never take.

[Joe Budden]

There is prob. Sy.

[Malcolm]

Future went crazy too. We got singing R and B future.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

That be stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. This is definitely fire, man.

[Ish]

Jump on the road.

[Joe Budden]

It's fire. I ain't going to sit here and. And bleed y'all to death. I'm looking for a certain song. Song? Where the is that song? Is this the song? Let me see. Oh, yes. Oh my God. Nah, nah, nah. This back. That back. That back. That's the one. Just when you thought you. Just when you thought you had him pegged. Now this is an issue. West side highway, late night in a Beamer. You love a Beamer or G wagon. Second date, you already gave her 95 hours on the phone. You already talked her ear off. She know everything about you now. You're just taking a little ride right quick on a late night. To the mailbox, to the hoodie store. Let's go. Oh my God. He is buggin'do. We have production credits on this yet?

[Malcolm]

Almost all Mike Dean and Weekend justice is on there a couple times.

[Joe Budden]

I wish I was still doing music so I could pay Mike Dean to sit next to me while I do music. Let him go, Let him go. Let him cook.

[Malcolm]

Let me not forget about. Did a bon tire, too, huh? Metro did a bow tire, too.

[Joe Budden]

I forgot to. He's showing out. Yeah, he's showing out.

[Ish]

That's how you close out, man.

[Joe Budden]

As. As great as the first half was. Nine on down, I think he. He. He went. He went some wealth. That's more my bag. In terms of tempo and flow and just vibe. Just vibe, man. Go weekend. Go weekend. Friend of the show. Probably the only friend of the show that hadn't done the show, but, I mean, he ain't done y'all shows neither, so I ain't complaining.

[Malcolm]

He ain't really sit with nobody.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he don't do no show. Fucking weekend. Why am I sitting with you niggas and talking and. Yeah, no, no, I don't talk to y'all. I love that. Yeah, I love it. From the guys that could it. And he can do it.

[Ish]

That's that megastar bro.

[Malcolm]

I pop out once you're at a certain level. Yeah.

[Ish]

Announce his tour.

[Joe Budden]

He's a starboy. Him and Playboy Carti, right? Yeah.

[Ish]

Stadium tour.

[Joe Budden]

Stadium tour. Pretty big deal. Yeah. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Since I was a jit, I've been legit.

[Joe Budden]

I hate all you fans that are stalking people's tours to see if they sold out and how many seats they sold. I think y'all are annoying.

[Malcolm]

It's weird.

[Ish]

And. And it's stupid because I don't. I really don't think y'all know how big a stadium is.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, you expect somebody to announce a tour today and the stadium tour sell out in a week.

[Malcolm]

Wait, they're already clocking his shit?

[Ish]

Well, they were clocking Kendrick and Scissors shit from the minute it dropped.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and they're doing it with Drake in Australia. They just do it now. Like, now it's.

[Ish]

Look how many seats are available. And they pull up the Ticketmaster shit that show you it's dark blue, which means there's a lot of seats in the section.

[Malcolm]

Got it. It.

[Ish]

Oh, we're X amount of months away from it, and it's still seats available. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up. Yeah, they so annoying. I hate these new fans.

[Ish]

I can't stand them.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I'm listening to country music now, man. Take a huncho in them, man. Shabo.

[Melissa Ford]

Shabzi. Shab.

[Ish]

He going to check you.

[Joe Budden]

He told I want to smoke. That's my man.

[Ish]

Say his name.

[Malcolm]

Clean him out. Yeah, Clean it up.

[Joe Budden]

Clean up. I thought I did on the previous p. But in case you did a couple times, here's this one and not that one. Let me clean it up again. Oh, man, the weekend. Great job. Great job. I'm gonna continue to spin this over the weekend, See what it sound like, see what it's giving, see what the vibe is.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. I'm doubling the dose tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Changing up the light and put on the nice lights. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, red light, blue light, maybe.

[Malcolm]

Both get a little purplish. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, some ag and Bo. You gonna go get the ag on.

[Malcolm]

Them slippery things up a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

We'll get to it later. We're unpacking. Pause. We're unpacking that AG&BO that was introduced in episode five of that puff doc.

[Malcolm]

I feel like we have to re. Put the tag at the beginning before we get to that section.

[Ish]

Yeah, might have to.

[Joe Budden]

Wild King Knights.

[Malcolm]

That was way better than Freak Offs.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, it is. Are we here now? I mean, no, we can't be. All right.

[Malcolm]

Estg.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, come on, estg.

[Ish]

ESTG dropped his album. I ain't feeling you. My first listen. It's short. 12 songs. 30, 33 minutes.

[Joe Budden]

It's even shorter than that once you roll the window down. I.

[Ish]

It took me a minute to find something.

[Joe Budden]

And if you got power windows, all you gotta do do is automatic N get. I'm muting up so ice could give.

[Ish]

I was really.

[Malcolm]

There's a whole generation of people that will not get that reference at all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I thought you was talking about for the.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a cd. True.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz. What do you do now when there's nothing to do? Delete it. Yeah, but that's the same effect.

[Ish]

No, what they do now is they make. Make what they've been doing for a while. They make the meme of, like, somebody slam dunking this into the trash can. That's the. That they made the Internet version. It's not the same.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Malcolm]

Or making a coaster. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. We won.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But go ahead.

[Ish]

Y'all know I've been waiting for this album for a minute, and my first listen, it was too polished. And I know that sounds like a crazy critique to have, but when you have somebody that makes gritty street music, this shit just sounded too clean. I'm listening to songs, I'm like, all right. It's just not hitting the same as his earlier music has been. It wasn't until I got to about track five, maybe, where I'm like, okay, now we back now do you think.

[Malcolm]

That'S like a Sonic thing or like content wise?

[Ish]

It's a combination of both.

[Joe Budden]

It's a few things.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

When I played the first track off the. And this is just off the sample, I did not purchase it. His voice was different. His voice don't even sound like it sounded when he was on his run. Like, it sound like sick. Ish.

[Ish]

It sound like that telephone. Like he's rapping through a telephone. Like the prison raps when a really. Yes, that's what it's been sound. But that's been a thing for a minute now with him.

[Joe Budden]

Where's my why?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I could play just.

[Ish]

I don't know. I do not know the reason behind it.

[Joe Budden]

But you.

[Ish]

There has been a moment where you could hear this. The change in his voice and it almost sound like he's. Before this album. It was sounding like he was mumbling through a phone.

[Malcolm]

Oh, it's against the girls.

[Joe Budden]

No, this is just track one. Drums on blowing money.

[Melissa Ford]

But I wasn't with Big Meech. I'm with Reek. We had 50 on us a piece by Corn Frost.

[Ish]

Then you beat next week.

[Melissa Ford]

You say it's far.

[Ish]

I gotta see.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I can't, like, I can't hear his voice. I can't hear his voice like that.

[Ish]

That one get cut, you might get.

[Joe Budden]

A couple dollars on me.

[Ish]

But like, by the time I got to about 5 or so, as soon as I heard that Forever Rolling, we were back.

[Malcolm]

Okay.

[Ish]

So I don't know if it's maybe him trying to expand his sound. Him trying to. I, I, I can't pinpoint. It just didn't really do it for me.

[Malcolm]

Interesting.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't do it for me.

[Ish]

It didn't do it for me.

[Joe Budden]

Now there are a few flips that he did that I was like, okay, great. I love this flip.

[Ish]

The Duffel bag boy flip, which I believe I played that sleeper when it first dropped. That one was cool. I don't know, man. I'm just. I immediately cut this off.

[Joe Budden]

Expectations might have been too high.

[Ish]

No, because I didn't like his previous project. I, I ran right back to Bigger Than Life or Death. And I don't like when I do that. When I listen to your album and it leaves me feeling so underwhelmed and it's like, you know what? Let me just go back to what did it for me.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

So I. Yeah, I feel like he should have been more aware of the fizzle out or the wind down to do this.

[Ish]

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like something's missing there's.

[Joe Budden]

Something you just drop when you all the way on fire. Don't have a in the world and just want to give your fans something to hold. Hold them over until my real come. This don't sound like the. The real.

[Malcolm]

The you've been wa working on for years.

[Ish]

It might not be the real, but you have the luxury to. To play like that right now.

[Parks]

How long in between the two projects was there? Like, is this album last album?

[Ish]

I have to check, but it's been a minute since we got a project from him.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe.

[Melissa Ford]

When, When Maybe when were you satisfied with his music? How long ago, Joe? Like, what was the last project that you said your estg got some.

[Joe Budden]

Some heat a few years ago? Two years.

[Malcolm]

Two years.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

When I came on the pod and said, oh, my God, what are y'all gonna do with this boy for the next 10 years? I get hyped too fast. I get hyped too fast. Somebody come out, come out the gate smoking for a few years, I automatically pin them. The king for the next ten. I gotta stop. I gotta stop doing that. This shit is too fixed. Fans will love you one minute, hate you the next minute. It's too many variables. I gotta stop.

[Ish]

It's unfair to a lot of artists. Cause as fans, one hand, we'll say we want you to, you know, expand your sound, grow, et cetera, right? And then when you take that or experiment something and it don't work, people will start complaining that we. Because we want your old shit. So it's like, you damn near got to be perfect. Like, you. Even if you two or three new ones in.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You don't got to give. You got to give them two.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And if they hit and they hit you, it work. You can now expound on that. But if it don't hit, then you can shy away from it.

[Malcolm]

Especially in this era where you can just do singles and digital releases and shit. You could test shit out, see if that works. Okay. People ain't really rocking with this. Let me just give them some ESTG share. Whoever works using it as an example.

[Ish]

Anybody?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, let me get my wheelhouse and do that. I don't think you need to play the game anymore. We just drop an experimental album.

[Ish]

Not even experimental. It's just like.

[Malcolm]

Experimental is the wrong word, but expanding.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

Yes. That's what it is. It's like, because on one hand, I do want my artist to expand, right? I don't want you to stay the same person over and over and over and over over. And then we have artists that stay the same person, and we love them over and over and over and we love them. Yeah, so. Exactly. So it's like. It's really unfair to them because you, like, if you're an artist, it's like, all right, how do I do this? Do y'all want me to keep making the same song over and over and over and over? You're gonna kill me for it. Unless it's all hits. But that's where your real artistry comes in. Yeah, because you're not making albums for the people necessarily. You're making albums for what makes you feel good. Well, there's a lot of people that are not really artists.

[Malcolm]

That's true.

[Ish]

I'm just saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Is Drake the only one that could switch it up and be successful?

[Malcolm]

Kanye West.

[Melissa Ford]

Kanye west, of course. But I mean, to have the longevity.

[Malcolm]

Kanye west has been doing it for 20 years.

[Ish]

The weekend.

[Malcolm]

The weekend people do it.

[Ish]

It's just sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work.

[Melissa Ford]

I know what you're talking about. Wouldn't Kanye be more on the production.

[Joe Budden]

Level of Switch as an artist?

[Ish]

That sound?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, his whole.

[Melissa Ford]

He went from basically rap, rapidly rapping in the 808s.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Then the techno with. Then to gospel. Like, he has constantly evolved and changed his sound successfully.

[Joe Budden]

It's all right. We got it coming.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't do that again.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, what the.

[Malcolm]

So when they say Kanye west is a producer.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. I got. I got. I gotta ask him.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Joe is Hawaiian Punch from Hawaii. Hawaii.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

Is it.

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Malcolm]

Is it really Punch?

[Joe Budden]

For real, y'all?

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[Ish]

I never heard that. That's Hawaiian Punch.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Melissa Ford]

From Hawaii, trying to make fun of his man's questions. That's.

[Joe Budden]

We've unpacked the flip questions while you've been going.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, we miss you, yo. Yeah, man, we really did.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, normally when somebody take a week.

[Malcolm]

Off the pod, they come in fiery.

[Joe Budden]

I think that they about to come back and smok go crazy easy. Well, come on, Wheels.

[Ish]

You've been playing for 30 minutes.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, even on the. Yo, how you been? How was your wheel? Yeah, it's good. What else I'm supposed to do?

[Melissa Ford]

The 70 years old getting covered. He just survived. He's happy to be here. He's happy to be alive.

[Joe Budden]

I've been working. What else you think I've been doing? Joe? Stupid ass.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, hold on. Imani and him got covered. Look how Imani came in. Agatha Key. Imani thought it was over.

[Malcolm]

That's a Little gothic.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta stop sharing the hookahs at 10, 20, 25.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that was bad.

[Malcolm]

Y'all at least bring some little wipes.

[Joe Budden]

At least get some. At least get some girls mouths. Yeah, between y'all. Like you pass it to a lady. Let her pass it to a lady. So let her maybe even pass it to a lady and let her pass it to E. You and E at the bar just. Yo, you done? Hey, bro, you finish with that? Yo, you hogging it. No shotgunning either, yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you had the most pulls, yo. Come on.

[Joe Budden]

You had that thing forever, yo. Let me get that. You hogging it.

[Ish]

Smoke with you over there shotgunning the hookah?

[Joe Budden]

Can I smoke with you?

[Malcolm]

Not two hoses on the same hookah. That's what he should do.

[Ish]

Yes. No, he shouldn't have, fam. Get your own shit.

[Joe Budden]

I get my own shit.

[Malcolm]

That's really what he should do.

[Joe Budden]

Wifey held you down. She took care of you. Cause you was sick a long time.

[Malcolm]

Bit you a little soup.

[Joe Budden]

That Portuguese Buckley might be different. That Portuguese Buckleys don't hit Portuguese bucket. She get a honey.

[Melissa Ford]

Honey and garlic noodle soup, beet and beet juice. Not for real. Is like, up right.

[Ish]

For a couple days. The cough still ain't go away and all that.

[Joe Budden]

Can't even put Vicks on. I used to come get. Get your ass out of here. Yeah, we can't even put no Vicks on our nose. They got the dogs.

[Ish]

They got the dogs.

[Malcolm]

Vicks dogs.

[Joe Budden]

It's not funny.

[Malcolm]

That's horrible.

[Ish]

What made you think about smell Consolcho? What's that?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, you can't say that.

[Ish]

Dog be smelling it.

[Joe Budden]

Go get them. That's up. Yo, are we done with estg? Yeah, yeah, estg. I'm a fan. I'd love to hear you back in your bag. I just don't think this project was it for me. I will listen to it again when.

[Ish]

He got in there, but overall, it's just. I don't. I don't know what the. What the focus is.

[Joe Budden]

And then I can't come from weekend project where you give me 19, 20 songs, 22 of heat, and then go to you, who's giving me 12, and it's like, see that?

[Ish]

That's my other thing, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Space warmer with short albums.

[Ish]

When y'all start giving me 9, 10, 11, 12 joints it got. And they short songs.

[Joe Budden]

Songs they got.

[Ish]

I'm expecting heat.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they gotta be smokers.

[Ish]

Like, I don't think it's room for me happen to be Skipping records when you already gave me a short project at 30. 30 minutes? Yeah, like.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Your man is trying to sneak back out here with some music. Oh, God. It's your man, Tommy Richmond.

[Ish]

And they got the Tick Tock girls already dancing to the show.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, and they got the girls in the video.

[Ish]

I'm trying to think.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't pull it out.

[Joe Budden]

Don't.

[Malcolm]

I'm so tired of. Oh, the smell.

[Melissa Ford]

You freak.

[Ish]

What you say?

[Melissa Ford]

I said don't pull it out.

[Malcolm]

Mix your right records.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That is terrible.

[Malcolm]

That sounds horrible.

[Melissa Ford]

Are you okay?

[Ish]

That's what I was hearing.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, it sounded like that.

[Ish]

Soulja Boy. And some.

[Parks]

That's what I thought it was some.

[Ish]

Snap rap from Atlanta. Like, mixed.

[Malcolm]

Mixed horrible, horribly mixed.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I did it.

[Melissa Ford]

That probably was intentional, what you thought.

[Joe Budden]

Of that Big male, big inform.

[Parks]

It sounded exactly like that other song. What's that?

[Melissa Ford]

Soulja Boy.

[Joe Budden]

Tell him.

[Parks]

No, not. Well, I mean, that's.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that sounds bad.

[Joe Budden]

I'm good.

[Parks]

Like, it's just. Like, he's just. He's just designated this as the formula because it proved to be winning for him for sure.

[Malcolm]

And, well, then he put out the album that sounded nothing like that. And no one paid.

[Parks]

Nobody paid any dirt. Yeah, exactly.

[Malcolm]

He's like, let me go back to.

[Ish]

Let me go back to what got me number one.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Grammy nominated.

[Joe Budden]

Let me go right back there.

[Ish]

I ain't mad. You can't be mad at him.

[Malcolm]

I'm not mad at the concept. I just don't think that that sounded good.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, who. Who can.

[Ish]

Can't we all could be mad at?

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm. Figuratively speaking. I'm trying to let y'all go first, cuz. Y'all say it a little nicer. Yeah. Yeah, y'all. And this sounds like you're trying to mimic such and such.

[Ish]

And.

[Joe Budden]

And yeah, this song just didn't hit my music, pal. Y'all get it off.

[Malcolm]

Uhhuh. Now shut up.

[Joe Budden]

Y done. Hey, dog, I hate to be the one to break it to you.

[Melissa Ford]

Very bad news.

[Joe Budden]

Get this shit the fuck outta here. And get you the fuck outta here. Don't try to sneak back in yet. We not done being mad at you if Daniel Caesar's still sitting down somewhere. Nigga, you sit down, too. And Daniel Caesar can sing. And Daniel Caesar got more talent in his pinky than Tommy fucking Richmond. Yeah, I don't even like that name no more. I don't like nothing about Tommy Richmond. I think he should retire. I think that Tommy Richmond should stop. But he can't because some hedge fund nigga done signed him and keep dumping money into him.

[Ish]

So we gonna.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta keep hearing the horrible version of the. That worked for you. Cause you can't come up with a new slap. That don't sound like the old slap enough. Tommy Richmond, Was it an old slap? His old slap? Yeah, his old slap.

[Ish]

Not saying it was old, but what's his old slap? That was no slap to me neither.

[Malcolm]

That worked.

[Ish]

That. That got a lot of airplay. That was.

[Joe Budden]

They programmed. They programmed.

[Parks]

Chorus was cool song.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in the same so damn strong I'm in the beaten, B. I just blame.

[Ish]

If I heard it 7 million times. That was ass.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey, hey. We don't need a world without hate. Sometimes hate is appropriately.

[Ish]

That's opinion.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, sometimes I hate it. And now he walk on a thin line.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna put the two black girls in the front of.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, don't Stop saying he misappropriate. Nicole, come on.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we've been saying that about him.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't go down that lane. That's a nigga live.

[Joe Budden]

Cause he tweeted. See that shit? Y'all niggas problem. Y'all tweet too much. Much true, cuz. More people would like this song if you didn't tweet. Yo, keep me out that black.

[Ish]

True.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[Joe Budden]

This is white music I'm doing. Don't call it black again.

[Melissa Ford]

It's like, oh, that's not what he said.

[Parks]

It's a paraphrase.

[Melissa Ford]

That's how you received it.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he said.

[Parks]

That's how a lot of us received it.

[Melissa Ford]

That's how you received it.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he said. That's what he said.

[Melissa Ford]

Black people always hear different from what somebody say.

[Ish]

He said this ain't hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Hip hop is black music.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, but he didn't say that.

[Joe Budden]

So when you say this ain't hip hop, Keep me out of that category, please. I don't want to find his tweet to pull him. Exactly. But that's what he said. That's his way of saying what they be saying, which is, yo, I'm white doing this. Y'all are mislabeling me.

[Ish]

Don't put me in a box. Yeah, don't put me in a box.

[Joe Budden]

I do it broader than the.

[Parks]

Oh, er.

[Joe Budden]

S. Yeah. Rdr.

[Ish]

I'm rocking. Get it out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Who's he signed to?

[Ish]

That is ass.

[Joe Budden]

I want to prank call that too. I don't feel like he should be off the hook. Whoever signed him should have. I should need. We need spam bots in his email. We need to do the old school they used to do, which is just spam the gay porn to your email.

[Malcolm]

ISO supremacy.

[Ish]

I don't know who none of that is. ISO supremacy. I don't even like the name of that. I don't like the name of that.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't unsubscribe from that.

[Joe Budden]

They used to send the gay links to your email. Your email. They used to send dude with the hammer to your email. Right. Going crazy in money right there.

[Ish]

Yeah, like how you know you open.

[Malcolm]

That's Brent F. Peoples on my email.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about? When you click the email, you see it.

[Melissa Ford]

It popped up. It was a. It was like you couldn't stop it. It was like a gift.

[Joe Budden]

You couldn't close out.

[Melissa Ford]

It was a gift Automatically open them shits.

[Ish]

My.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, he signed to Brent F. Oh, go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

What? I like Brent as a person.

[Malcolm]

I like some of Brent music and.

[Joe Budden]

He has some songs that are palatable for me. But it does make sense that he is signed to him.

[Malcolm]

He sound like him.

[Joe Budden]

See parts concern sad cuz he white. I can't say that. You know how much I'll be in if I say that. It's tough to sound worse than Brent F. All right.

[Malcolm]

Yes, I like some Brent.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Melissa Ford]

My girl and her friends love Bren.

[Ish]

Love that.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, to the people that love his voice, I don't try to convince him otherwise wise. But to the people that know when a piano is out of key, it's out of little tuning. Yeah, it's just this way.

[Melissa Ford]

This is how you get in trouble.

[Joe Budden]

But I love him as a person. I love the businessman that he is. I love his team. I love what he represents. So I try to just keep him off my. I mean, I ain't going to kill him every time some shit come out. But it does make sense. That bum Richmond is signed to. To be Brent. Brent Rob that. Take it all. The pub video budget, wardrobe budget. Take it all.

[Ish]

What you think happening?

[Joe Budden]

I hope so. Reparations. Yeah.

[Ish]

Cold question again.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Million Dollar Baby. I'm kidding. Y. Million dollars. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You niggas to take it off of us.

[Joe Budden]

This nigga's like fucking cooling the gang. G. Eazy. What? Don't do G. Eazy. Don't do G. Eazy like that. I fuck with G. Eazy.

[Ish]

I know G. Eazy had slaps. Those are slaps. That Million Dollar Baby got you slapped. Yeah, that Million Dollar Baby shit Wasn't no slap. Never. That shit was cockeyed from the rip.

[Joe Budden]

And go to the Grammys this weekend, boy. It don't sit home because they didn't nominate. You. Take your new artist ass up there, go be mixing in a suit network. Do the red carpet all the interview get rushed off. Excuse me, excuse me. Come on, come on, come on.

[Ish]

Right there.

[Joe Budden]

Tommy Rich, man. Move, Migos, move. Sabrina Carpenter. Yo, you gotta watch the publicist at the awards that's representing some of the bums, but they good publicists, so they trying to get their job. Yo, what up? I got fucking Aristotle right here, man. Come on. Just give him a look, all right? We talk 10 seconds. Aristotle. Where'd you get your stars, Amigos? Oh, shit. Travis Scott.

[Parks]

Clear the carpet. Taylor's coming.

[Malcolm]

It was funny last year at the Grammys, at the red carpet show or two years ago, whenever I went watching people try to get in the photo. Shit. Like they was fighting to get on that photo. No, just a. It's a whole line of people. But there's the main. With the photographers. And it was. Boy, they was fighting to get in that.

[Joe Budden]

If you know the music business, the. That you see is so much more fun. Like what Parks is talking about, right? Like, there is red carpet scheduling, and.

[Malcolm]

There'S elite parts of the red carpet.

[Joe Budden]

It is red carpet etiquette. There's red carpet with a bum. The bum.

[Malcolm]

The might be 50ft long, right? And there's people everywhere. But then there's the spot with, like, the official photographers and all them. So everyone is bottlenecking, trying to get into this one spot, and the show's about to come on. So, like, yo, y. Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Hurry up.

[Ish]

Burgundy part of the red carpet.

[Joe Budden]

And you know, when you a 5 o'clock red carpet artists like, you gotta. They bringing in the crates, and they still rolling the carpet out. And you showed up waiting for the carpet.

[Ish]

Hey, man, you be there before the carpet, yo. Yeah, help.

[Joe Budden]

You up there talking to the source.

[Ish]

Yo, grab that in. Grab that in.

[Joe Budden]

Talking to rap pages. Yo, we got rap pages right here. Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

The source.

[Joe Budden]

There's some shit happened.

[Ish]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm laughing because I identify with that for sure. I'm laughing because that used to be me.

[Malcolm]

Oh, they ain't give a fuck about me. The little red carpet. So I.

[Joe Budden]

But I used to come late. I ain't get no 5:00. 5:45. I'm giving a little 5:45, actually. Yo, we got your button. You.

[Melissa Ford]

Got a real phone.

[Ish]

They got a camera.

[Joe Budden]

Phone got the cameras. They just. We got your money here. Box camera. No, the photographers used. Still posing. They done. They putting their away.

[Ish]

Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

You giving them looks.

[Parks]

Getty had already left by that time for a box.

[Melissa Ford]

A little switch, right?

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Then it was like a three year run where I was going to the carpet against my fucking better judgment. Cause I hated them carpets. I hated all that shit. But I would get to the carpet and would be getting a little bit of action. And those were the three years that Lady Gaga dressed up in some other shit.

[Parks]

Like meat shit.

[Joe Budden]

The meat dress coming early. Before her. Before the star's supposed to be here.

[Ish]

What the.

[Joe Budden]

She was coming in some meatloaf. Whatever. She was a stake.

[Ish]

It don't matter, man.

[Joe Budden]

They left me so bad. Cause you could see her as soon as she get out the car with a steak on her head.

[Malcolm]

You can smell it.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid. They ran to her car to talk about. I'm sitting there. Yeah, man, Slaughter come in that. That.

[Malcolm]

The picture is just like a blurred picture.

[Joe Budden]

Swinging the camera, they finger in the way.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you can see the camera moving in, Joe. Like this with the camera.

[Ish]

Yeah. So you know, summer 2012. You know what I'm saying? We gonna be.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, they're not even nice about it neither, nigga. They'll just leave you right there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

They don't say, excuse me. Because the same way, mid conversation, the same way.

[Joe Budden]

There's artists that are real celebrities. Some of them paparazzi niggas, some of them photographers. It's really Jean Claude Wuve. He done took every hip hop picture since 72.

[Malcolm]

Word.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Ish]

Sharifing him.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, artists be thinking they hot. Hey, speaking of Sharif, nigga. Hey, you better been waiting for you. Come on, talk to him. Come on. Yeah, you gotta fix it. You gotta fix it. Don't look at me. We don't gotta talk about it. Cause that's your man. But you have to fix it.

[Ish]

What do I gotta fix?

[Melissa Ford]

You know, when he acts, you gotta say it. Cause he does this trick.

[Ish]

No, I don't.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, your man is your man losing his mind off the old work. You.

[Ish]

You lost your mind off of old work before.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, publicly. Yeah, I did.

[Ish]

You was much older than him.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm there.

[Ish]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't help me neither.

[Ish]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't help me.

[Ish]

I was a real friend.

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't.

[Ish]

Yo, don't start, bro.

[Joe Budden]

You went and got in the pool with her.

[Ish]

We public.

[Melissa Ford]

He still on that?

[Ish]

We public.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you wouldn't play you went played uno at the pool.

[Melissa Ford]

You admitted that he didn't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking. I'm talking to you right now. But you still gotta help him.

[Ish]

There's nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that I can't help that.

[Ish]

You gotta talk to him.

[Joe Budden]

You do gotta talk to him.

[Ish]

No, you don't. Just let him figure it out on his own.

[Joe Budden]

Once his old work hop on the gram and say, yo, he on my body. Oh, get something to do, nigga, like, that's when you gotta jump in. You disagree?

[Ish]

Bro, I'm not sitting here making a conversation about my family's drama. But what I'm telling you is we all been through this situ. We all been through this situation before. That's why you talk to your youngians.

[Malcolm]

When they going through it.

[Ish]

Bro, it's nothing that nobody can tell you when you going through that.

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true. I used to talk to you off the.

[Melissa Ford]

Somebody could tell you, but you used.

[Ish]

To talk who off the list.

[Joe Budden]

You said what?

[Ish]

I used to tuck you in.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, bitch, give me some hot chocolate, please. Give me some yoo hoo.

[Joe Budden]

Give me the look he's shooting at me for real look I used to give my man. Yo, she's at work. She's not even home. Yo, we ain't gotta take this ride.

[Melissa Ford]

Those conversations amongst men, when you in that mode, nigga, it's difficult to have, but you feel so vulnerable.

[Ish]

They be useless conversations. I know that at this age because when you going through that, you gonna do what you gonna do.

[Melissa Ford]

But it's not useless sometimes because in the moment we're not receiving information, but later on in retrospect, it click. It'll click.

[Joe Budden]

It's told me that's I'd be more.

[Melissa Ford]

Mad at you if you don't say anything to me when I see you. Facts. When I was going through that, nigga, you ain't even say shit.

[Ish]

Especially if you know, hey, yo, dog.

[Melissa Ford]

You know I know, I know. I didn't meet you talking with that tongue shit, I'mma pop off on you. Come on, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this guy's an idiot.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't have small talk in those situations. You get straight to it. Yo, I see what you going through. And yo, hold your head up, yo, that's it.

[Ish]

You can't say nothing else other than true.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't ask questions like, yo, no.

[Ish]

It'S not no advice what led to this. It's no advice you could get.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah.

[Ish]

This ain't the last one. You gotta. I just think who do you think.

[Melissa Ford]

Will give the best advice in a situation like that? Out of all of us? Would it be male if we call y'all? I'm going through your man. My wife, she leaving me. What can I do, man? Tell me.

[Parks]

I would probably be the one that listened the longest.

[Melissa Ford]

You wouldn't give me no advice.

[Parks]

I want to get all the facts.

[Melissa Ford]

I think Paulson say, well, I did tell you about them shit she was doing on the pod. So I'm getting mad at him. Joe. I don't know what Joe would say. He probably. If he start to laugh on the phone, be tight. I'm going to his house.

[Parks]

That's what he.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Parks]

He'd just be laughing.

[Melissa Ford]

He'd be like, what?

[Ish]

Who would get the worst advice? Joe wouldn't start laughing.

[Melissa Ford]

Joe wouldn't start laughing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

A lot of you really going, no.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, for real.

[Ish]

Who you think would get the worst advice in this room?

[Joe Budden]

Me, Cory, Corey, for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

Cory like acting like a. Your wife leaving you out of here. You a man who pay the bills. Where she going to go? You think she could buy some flies. She going to come back.

[Joe Budden]

They be Cory and Mel. They romantic lives. Kind of marry each other. Just 2st.

[Parks]

Not even a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

You think.

[Melissa Ford]

You think Mel can better watch you?

[Parks]

Yeah, Mellon. I give graded advice. I give wonderful advice. I'm very thoughtful in the advice that I give you.

[Joe Budden]

That's not. I'mma try your tr.

[Melissa Ford]

You trying to rush off the phone, man.

[Parks]

Never.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, when it's time for somebody you. We will let you talk when it's time for somebody to talk. You like. Oh, hold on for a minute.

[Parks]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[Parks]

No, that's not me.

[Melissa Ford]

You. You give, like, ending conversation tips.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma try one day.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

So you going through.

[Joe Budden]

I think the shit I be going through is too. To be too complex for people.

[Ish]

You don't be dealing with regular.

[Joe Budden]

No, not at all. You got to call in a hired help for me. Like the. You got to pay Joe.

[Melissa Ford]

Would Ian be a good ear to listen?

[Parks]

Yeah, Ian's a great ear to listen.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, okay.

[Melissa Ford]

See, but he just listens, right? He don't get. He like, hey, just listening, quiet.

[Parks]

He gives advice, too, girl.

[Melissa Ford]

That man married girl.

[Ish]

You got relationship advice?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. What advice he gonna give you?

[Parks]

Why do you guys think that I.

[Melissa Ford]

Is y'all white together?

[Parks]

Relationship advice?

[Ish]

We're just talking about relationship advice.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what we talking about.

[Parks]

Oh, I thought we were just talking about advice.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

We're talking about relationship advice.

[Parks]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on your side.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I was just.

[Parks]

I was just waiting.

[Joe Budden]

We already beefed.

[Parks]

I was giving you a rebound already. Okay, We.

[Joe Budden]

We did our beef. We back friends again.

[Melissa Ford]

Relationship advice.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on your side if they start with you. Okay, Good. Mark ain't here, so I'll be Mark today.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, Ian.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah? We did it.

[Melissa Ford]

He left me. What do I do? Hey. Hey, man. Where's Daisy? Do you got Daisy?

[Ish]

Ma, did he have any money? Oh.

[Joe Budden]

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[Melissa Ford]

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[Melissa Ford]

Coming to your crib game.

[Joe Budden]

We going to run ours. No, I'm be my girl. My girl. Come in, zoo boy.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, I'm coming, too.

[Ish]

Last you had.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. N. Not at all. Only Cory could come.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm coming. You never. You're not going to leave me outside. I'm a. That you don't leave outside. Like, it's better to like. You know when they say it's better to keep up than whatever that cheaper to keep. Yeah, I'm one of them.

[Joe Budden]

It's better just. They say that about people with vaginas.

[Melissa Ford]

It's better to just let.

[Joe Budden]

You don't have a vagina if you leave me outside until you get sensitive. When you get sensitive.

[Melissa Ford]

My sensitive me to be high.

[Joe Budden]

You are a sensitive dude. But you my man. But you my man.

[Melissa Ford]

Who more sensitive? You? You and me.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Is that a joke?

[Melissa Ford]

I can get out of my sensitivity. Your last.

[Joe Budden]

I don't really get in it.

[Melissa Ford]

Your lasts from. From a distance. My. I get out my. Like this.

[Joe Budden]

I don't really get in it. I tell y'all how I feel in a few passive aggressive jokes. And keep it moving.

[Melissa Ford]

Keep it moving.

[Joe Budden]

About this.

[Melissa Ford]

What this did to your boy. Yo. Do you think this you. That's what he said, yo. You think I shouldn't see a video of you being arrested? I said, cool. Do you think it's. Then he elaborates. Do you think it's wise that people that love you is. Do you think it's wise that you using your platform to promote this? You have to grow up now. This is not a private conversation. He's saying it in front. In front of people outside. So then now, my.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't private when you posted a video of you getting arrested?

[Melissa Ford]

Of course, Joe. But, yeah, I got you, and I'm with him.

[Joe Budden]

You posted a video on the World Wide Web?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

The important word being world.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody that know we work together hit me the same way with that sleepwalking shit. I'm sure they was hitting y'all. Yes, they hit me. Yo, your man got arrested. He all right. He good. I'm like, nigga, I don't know. I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

So were you frustrated?

[Joe Budden]

Cause you and I feel like if you worked for mtv, you wouldn't post a video of you getting arrested.

[Melissa Ford]

What's up with you? You and the JBN keeps talking about this. If you work for this. Comparing companies, it's the personality.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like I don't get treated like a company. I'm me. And because I'm your friend, if you work for Viacom, iHeart, any of them, Amazon, any of them. They have words in there for niggas like you are.

[Melissa Ford]

You are wrong. Cause when I was working with them, I posted a video before. Now, the rep. Whatever the repercussions is different. But I posted it.

[Joe Budden]

That's why you're here.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I'm here same way with Mark.

[Joe Budden]

And Free the Land and the Horses. Whatever he said. Whatever he said.

[Melissa Ford]

So when Cam said you revive niggas, you. You leaning into that.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't hear him say that when he.

[Melissa Ford]

When he was dissing me like, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Joe, salute to you.

[Ish]

My.

[Melissa Ford]

You be. You be saving. That's on a decline. That's what you believe in? Cause that's what you saying.

[Joe Budden]

I cleaned y'all up. I said that already.

[Ish]

Who y'all?

[Joe Budden]

These two. You ain't clean these two specifically. I said that.

[Melissa Ford]

Fix your voice. You sound like the Grinch.

[Joe Budden]

That's bad.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it's bad to say.

[Ish]

You don't think that's bad?

[Joe Budden]

Look, he about to die.

[Ish]

You don't think that's bad to say to Z?

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you, Ma.

[Ish]

Ma.

[Melissa Ford]

Can you elaborate how terrible that is?

[Joe Budden]

I'm open to being wrong. I didn't feel like that was a bad thing.

[Ish]

Even if you felt like that internally, you're not supposed to.

[Melissa Ford]

I cleaned y'all up and presented y'all to the world.

[Ish]

Look, he's on a rebrand street.

[Parks]

Wildly insensitive. It's all those things. But, you know, I digress.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, hit his hoodie, hit his shoes.

[Ish]

You saying yes? Yo, stop. That's what I did.

[Melissa Ford]

You didn't do that, bro.

[Joe Budden]

You had this email over that jarcudery board. It was bad what I said. I got you, girl. Don't worry about it, girl.

[Parks]

I love her. Vision and history, too.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Parks]

But it's cool, you know?

[Joe Budden]

How many agencies was on Flip Ass? The CIA, the FBI, the irs, the Brooklyn Bloods. How many agencies was on Flip?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he just say whatever he wants.

[Joe Budden]

If I'm not supposed to say it, then I'm sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

You can say whatever you want.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. I apologize.

[Melissa Ford]

But like Mel says, revision is history.

[Joe Budden]

I'm obnoxious.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not the word you be. What's the next one?

[Joe Budden]

My mom told me I'm obnoxious.

[Melissa Ford]

What's the next one? Obnoxious what's the other one?

[Joe Budden]

I'm obnoxious.

[Ish]

Disgusting.

[Parks]

We've been through this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And the thing about it is that it's like women in an abusive relationship. Because we love you.

[Joe Budden]

Rest. Rescue dogs.

[Ish]

Oh, is ASPCA North Shore.

[Melissa Ford]

I got my dog there years ago. I know you talking about in Long.

[Ish]

Island, the little 4am commercial.

[Joe Budden]

You already see the. The Instagram reels with the. The white people that love rescue dogs. And they do the before and after. This is little Jerry, yo. He was malnourished, £60. He couldn't eat. He was afraid of everything. He was battered and bruised. And then they start showing you one week, two weeks, three weeks. I had to nurture these back to their health. Dating scene, huh? We back flip the network. Hey, you pay the irs, we can flip the network again. Again. All right, I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to say that. Then. I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to say I'm sorry is. Me and Mel had a little beef while you was going on the last. On the last episode, which I'm. I'm stupid. I. I be looking forward to the next game. So I forget about the last game. But Mel ain't forget, so she's on the Patreon with the tight jaw. So we fought over. Over wasting people's times. Part of the show got us.

[Parks]

Got us speaking. And speaking of. Speaking of, Let me get this off. What I said still stands. I have never, ever said those words to a guy. I came in here and expressed that to y'all, but to that person's face. I've never expressed that. I have never said that ever.

[Joe Budden]

That's peaceful me.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

That's ultra.

[Joe Budden]

I believe, girl.

[Melissa Ford]

That's Sonic piece.

[Joe Budden]

That's the biggest piece. That's that piece. Peace Corp. That's on game.

[Melissa Ford]

That's Red Cross.

[Joe Budden]

I believe you.

[Parks]

That was in my craw.

[Joe Budden]

I believe you.

[Parks]

That was just sitting in my craw. And I could not. I could not.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think you ever said that your craw.

[Parks]

Craw.

[Joe Budden]

Like, honestly.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

That's not even in your DNA.

[Parks]

Just gullets.

[Joe Budden]

That's not even in your. Oh, you wouldn't do that.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't gonna lie, son.

[Parks]

It was like food got stuck.

[Melissa Ford]

They took the picture and posted on the Internet, said, you know, when we take pictures outside, they said we could tell. This is post.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. She's sitting here looking dumb as hell in the face.

[Melissa Ford]

She caught a temper tantrum.

[Parks]

I didn't. No, I know you're not motherfucking talking about temper tantrum. Temper tantrums.

[Melissa Ford]

You gave me credit the other day.

[Joe Budden]

But that's why I'm bad at beefing with women. Cause they just get the extra shit. Now she got a face in the picture.

[Melissa Ford]

Face on the picture.

[Joe Budden]

And look at Joe Jolene face in the room.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm thinking like Jolie leaning the other way. Try to stand firm.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. She's trying to not have her leg touch my girl. Get your ass out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

That was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I stand in my opinion of it. But I never want to hurt my girl Mel's feelings. So I'm with you.

[Parks]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you with Iceland. But I do think that it's your time. Like it's yours. Like I can't waste it. It's yours. It's like self esteem. That shit is in you. Like it's your time. If I come to you and spin you around the block with mad lies. Yeah. I'm not fucking my baby moms. Yeah. I'm trying to get. I'm not trying to get married one day. Yeah. I got no other bitches. If I come to you with this just gauntlet of lies. It's on your job. It's your job.

[Parks]

So. Okay. I can't tell you how many times a guy will say to a woman like a yo, do whatever's happening to you in your past. Don't bring your baggage over to me. I did not do that.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's go, man.

[Parks]

So don't make me. Don't make me pay for another man's mistakes. That is the exact same thing. So if you are. So if you're going to regard somebody with complete suspicion just based on past experiences that you've had, like how do you move forward in a relationship? How do you. How do you develop any level of trust with this person? Like how you can't. Like you can't have it both ways. And that was.

[Joe Budden]

But you just included the other way.

[Parks]

No and no. And that was the point. That was the point of the conversation. And that was where Mark was coming from too.

[Joe Budden]

Mark was wrong too.

[Parks]

No, he was not.

[Joe Budden]

You and Mark were wrong.

[Parks]

Why do. Because you say so?

[Joe Budden]

No, because.

[Parks]

Because you're emboldened by.

[Joe Budden]

Because no matter what we say is still your time. No matter what we say is your time.

[Ish]

Somebody sent me the argument.

[Parks]

I got you.

[Melissa Ford]

What do you think is.

[Joe Budden]

And, and, and listen, I couldn't have wasted my time because I planned to get somewhere with the lies I told you and I got there what I.

[Ish]

Got with that I lied with intentions. You could have started off and all of that stuff been the truth. And throughout that particular relationship, your feelings changed or that person wasn't. When you start a relationship with somebody, this could be where you really want to go. I really want to get married. I. I really want to do all these things with you.

[Joe Budden]

Until we see her dirty ass.

[Ish]

Until I know that that's. Yeah, no.

[Joe Budden]

Until we see how she keeps her.

[Ish]

Car or just some. Or until you and I don't necessarily get along at that clip that I thought that we would. So the way I felt three months ago, I don't necessarily feel that way.

[Parks]

So you don't feel like speaking up. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

So three months ago I felt like this and these were my intentions. I don't feel that way no more. That don't mean I led you on with lies in the beginning. My feelings have changed. That don't mean that I started off on bullshit.

[Parks]

That was not what we were talking about. Mark and I were making the specific point that there are motherfuckers that will literally just lie. They will lie to get the goal and they get the pussy. Exactly, exactly. And it's just like, that's foul. That is wasting somebody's time. It is. When you intentionally lie for your own self serving goals and you know what that person is looking for because they've been explicit in it, then that is. That is wasting somebody's fucking time.

[Melissa Ford]

At what point do you.

[Ish]

Know?

[Joe Budden]

One at a time. Don't jump her.

[Ish]

Let me ask you a question. Don't jump Melody having a conversation. I think you're right. I think that it's immoral for somebody to do that. But I also have heard you come in here twice and I don't want to fight you. I've also heard you come in here twice to say, yo, y'all stupid ass men, y'all don't have no intuition. Women got all the intuition. Intuition. So to that I say, where's the women's intuition to read the. That's lying.

[Melissa Ford]

This. Hit it with the.

[Parks]

It's. No, no, no, that's. No, I'm just not false equivalent. And that's.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you could. It is. It is.

[Parks]

It's like it's literally a false equivalent. Stop it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. Yo, don't. It's a 1v1.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm not beefing today.

[Melissa Ford]

What are you talking.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on your side.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm on your side.

[Ish]

Don't let Them gas you too.

[Parks]

I'm not letting. I'm not letting them gas me, okay? They're. They're doing. They're doing this.

[Ish]

They're doing this. You are having an adult conversation. Shut the up flipping Joe.

[Parks]

When I speak in general, he always.

[Malcolm]

Bus his head some school.

[Parks]

When I speak. When I speak in generalities. Like women have intuition. I did. I'm not making it up. Is there not something known as women's intuition?

[Ish]

Yeah, but I think.

[Parks]

Okay, I'm not making it up, but I think it's.

[Joe Budden]

But y'all conveniently forget it. It doesn't.

[Parks]

Stop, stop. Intuition does not mean you're psychic. Intuition does not mean that you can't have hope that somebody is just being noble and being honest. Like why would you go into something with complete and total suspicion with. Of somebody? Why bother? You know what I'm saying? No, no, no, no. Hold on one second here.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Parks]

No, no, hold on, hold on one flippin Joe.

[Melissa Ford]

Just because I have a question for you man.

[Parks]

Hold on one second. You literally, I swear to God I'm just gonna speak from the perspective of being a woman. It's either you are completely jaded and bitter and cynical because you let all of the experiences in the past taint the way that you see men or you are com. You're hopeful that this is a new person and you're not gonna, you know, take your experiences from the past and apply it to them and you just hope that what they are telling you and the experiences that you're having are genuine and you're actually building towards something. Like you can't have it both fucking ways. You just can't.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm asking the question. Do you think that by not taking accountability. Not you. No, listen. By a person not taking accountability for being responsible for remaining in the situation, they allow themselves to. They treat it like it's just a band aid. Meaning they don't allow the. They don't want to face the fact that it's my fault that I remained in this. So it's easy to say he wasted my time instead of look within and say next time I'm going to move away easier. I'm going to look for certain signs. I feel like saying somebody wasted my time and not taking accountability that you allowed your time to be wasted. It's like a band aid on the deep wound that you won't allow to heal. That's how I feel.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up for a minute. Cause we jumping you now apparently.

[Parks]

Yeah, because I spoke.

[Joe Budden]

I spoke to that I Agree with where he's headed. Right. Like you, Flip, like you only presented those two options.

[Parks]

I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Let me talk.

[Parks]

I. But I did. But no, because. Because you're speaking on something that I. That I made clear. I made.

[Joe Budden]

If you just listen to me. I'm just speaking about something you just said just now. Two minutes ago you said either we're A, jaded from our past experiences or B, we're hopeful. Yada yada yada. I think what Flip is saying is there are more options than just those two. Right. Like when I'm in the strip club and. And 50 niggas in Pelly pelly jackets come in, I'm not jaded to say, hey, because of my experiences and because of where I'm from and what I've.

[Parks]

Learned, my radar is going to jump you.

[Ish]

No, my radar goes up.

[Joe Budden]

No, because they. No, because they all be lovable and great people, but our instincts go up. It's not I'm jaded. It's hey, I'm playing probability now. So I think there's more than just those two options of, hey, I'm jaded because there are those women and that's annoying to deal with for men versus the I'm hopeful. I'm just glutton to it all. And no, that's okay.

[Parks]

Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Ooh.

[Parks]

Let's just be clear that jadedness and bitterness and cynicism is not just. It cannot just be related to the women experience. I have met way. Oh, I'm not saying I've met a lot of niggas that are bitter and jade. That's number one. And number two, when we had this conversation Tuesday, I definitely said there are experiences where people, not just women, men, they ignore the signs and that is their responsibility. Yes, you have to take responsibility. You have to take accountability. That you had plenty of red flags in your face and you chose to ignore them. That is where you cannot say your time was wasted. And I said that there are some circumstances where you had all the signs and you chose to ignore them. So now you can't be playing fucking victim. I said that there's some circumstances. I am speaking only to the circumstance where a woman approaches a situation or a person approaches a situation and she is. And they are clear on their intent. And that person just goes about consistently lying to reach their own self serving goal. That is the only circumstance in which I am talking about where somebody has wasted the other person's time knowing what they wanted and they just had their. Their own self serving.

[Melissa Ford]

When they, when they lie, right?

[Ish]

Are they, are they playing a role?

[Melissa Ford]

Because that means are they playing a role? Do you not see the signs? That's what I'm asking.

[Parks]

Like I, I, I can't answer why one person lies and another person.

[Joe Budden]

And we're hold up. And, and yes, humans lie.

[Parks]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Budden]

That's, that's a blanket statement. Humans lie. Are, is there not any counteraction that the person, in this case the woman puts forth? That's why I said hey, did she him. And, and you was taken aback when I said that. But there are counter actions you can take to try to see what someone's true intentions are far or get as close to their true selves as possible. We're not just gonna let the liar dictate the flow of.

[Parks]

Okay, so here's the thing. I don't really like and that's my final. I don't, I don't. I really hate the weaponization of sex in a situation like that. Just keep your to yourself because there is many people that have literally met the their soul mate and them the first night.

[Joe Budden]

We're not talking about them.

[Parks]

No, but it is not talking about them. But no, because it counter your argument. It is a counter to your argument that sex is not a dictator as to whether or not a relationship is going to be successful.

[Joe Budden]

That's a mistake. It's. It, it's not. That's a mistake.

[Parks]

It's not. And I know I'm not talking out of my ass.

[Joe Budden]

I'll let y'all get the last one and we moving on.

[Ish]

I can't even really talk when we acknowledge that quote unquote, men are lying you for right. Cause it's not a man. I'm glad that you fixed it and said it's not a man woman thing. But we gonna use men for this example. When a man meets a woman, right? It's a physical attraction. They don't know you. They don't know how you think. They don't know you're ambitious. They don't know you're smart. They don't know you have an amazing sense of humor and you're a great parent. None of that. It's a physical attraction. So he's thinking physically, so are we. Okay, cool.

[Parks]

So are we.

[Melissa Ford]

You got.

[Ish]

Mel, please let me talk. You've been running. Ain't nobody cut your you off. So cool. So when you fuck that dude in the first day or the first two days, he don't know you. So he's reached his pinnacle in many instances. Right.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

So now when you start saying guys, guys, guys for a lot of men, not all men. There are examples of niggas that have married a girl that they fucked the first day they met him. But that's a rarity. It's outliers to everything. That's a rarity. That's not the normal norm. Because most once they you that first day, they've reached their pinnacle and they moving on to somebody else that they have to. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Joe Budden]

And I ain't saying nothing I ain't used to do. Back in my day, the chicks wanted to before I did.

[Ish]

Of course they do.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm holding my dick to myself so I can try to see what your true intentions are.

[Ish]

You've done it. I've seen it. You ain't lying.

[Joe Budden]

I've told Mel by mail.

[Ish]

No, I, I can attest to that. I've seen you.

[Joe Budden]

So I'm not just saying women my people.

[Ish]

My thing is yo dog, they're people.

[Joe Budden]

If the lies get me the then why Imma stop lying?

[Parks]

We, we think that conflating two different.

[Ish]

We think that because relationships go south that the person necessarily was lying. Sometimes they are lying and sometimes they were not lying. I'm not talking about Mel's only talking about the. That's been lying how person and, and.

[Parks]

And, and stop putting we're in sex.

[Ish]

It's not all the other stuff.

[Parks]

Like we're not.

[Ish]

How do we differentiate the two?

[Parks]

And your examples are always so extreme. Like sex on the first date, sex two days later.

[Joe Budden]

Because I brought it up.

[Ish]

I didn't say that. I'm saying how do we differentiate between two people? The liar and the person that was just.

[Parks]

Okay, so just to be clear, you. You missed Tuesday. So we had a whole lot on this subject. So that you just don't have. And so this is mine. And his interaction is basically just carrying on from Tuesday.

[Joe Budden]

And my argument is one sentence. It's your time.

[Ish]

That was my argument.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have nothing else to say other than everybody is responsible for their time. It's going to be liars, it's going to be scammers, it's going to be con artists. It's going to be people that you thought you love. That that made it seem away and it look different on earth. It's going to be mad. Guess what?

[Ish]

And men not the only people doing that because it's girls that be dating.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Parks]

I said. I literally just fixed it.

[Ish]

I said that.

[Parks]

No, but I was saying that on Tuesday as well. I know.

[Joe Budden]

That's what my time get wasted. I go in the room and say, damn, I it up.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

That's like what I. What she did.

[Ish]

That's like what I told her on.

[Joe Budden]

I know, but I know I'm not.

[Ish]

It's your day to get lied to. My man told my other man. This is funny to my man, right? My man was mad at this girl one day.

[Joe Budden]

That was three. That was three. And number one second, I was in.

[Ish]

The car with two of my homeboys in, and my man was mad that this girl stood him up. And he was like, dawg, it's your day to get lied to. She might have lied to another nigga for you the other day. Today is your day to get lied to. Yo, when you first meet somebody, people are dating multiple people. Niggas not just sitting on their hands waiting for one man or one woman to sweep them off their feet. So I might be dating three girls when I meet Mel, but nobody's.

[Parks]

That's understandable.

[Joe Budden]

Bring us to a.

[Ish]

Please let me finish.

[Joe Budden]

You right?

[Parks]

No, he's still talking.

[Ish]

So I'm gonna lie to Mel and say, yo, I had to go do something with my sister when I really was going to fuck with the next chick. That's a lie. But I still might be looking for a quality relationship. I just want that one person to overwhelm me, to leave these other three girls that I'm fucking alone.

[Parks]

That's not the lies that we're talking about, though. In closing, that's all I'm gonna say. That's not the lies that we're not. We're talking. We're not talking about the infancy of getting to know somebody. We're not talking about the first few weeks, couple of months. We're not talking about that because it's understandable. You really actually don't owe anybody anything at that time other than maybe just respect, you know what I'm saying? But if you. You don't have to tell them everything that's going on in your life, because I'm probably not going to tell you everything that's going on in my life. You have to earn that trust. And you build upon that trust by just examples, not words that come out of your mouth. Mouth, but actually living, breathing examples and behavior. And you have. There's. At what point can you count on somebody, can you develop that ability to count on somebody that their word is their bond, that they're not lying to you? Like, how is it that you formulate relationships if you can't even trust that that is the system that you build a relationship on. Like, that's what. That's what we were talking about. I'm not talking about the infancy of the fucking situation because we don't owe each other or anything at that point.

[Ish]

I don't think we. Most relationships ever get to that point.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Text each other.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Text each other. We did it. We did it. A little. Little quick rubber game. Quick little rubber game.

[Ish]

Rubber game.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, when it's 1:1, the tiebreaker, that's called the rubber game.

[Parks]

I've never heard that before, but okay.

[Ish]

Jerry city shirt.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Malcolm]

You never heard of rubber match?

[Joe Budden]

That's the sports. That's the sports thing. That's not Jersey thing.

[Parks]

What sport?

[Malcolm]

Every sport. Any sport or game.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we play. If two football teams play twice and they won one, the next game is the rubber match. Correct.

[Ish]

I've never heard that.

[Parks]

Never heard that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Brandon, Jacob should have told you. Reggie want tiebreaker. I ain't hear no.

[Parks]

We weren't talking about that.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Different rubber match. All right, we did it. Nice little rubber match.

[Ish]

The words right out my mouth. I a say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

All right, it's time for us to get to it. Prayers for those inside the pond and out. Light is in the air.

[Melissa Ford]

Light is in the air.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace, Whitney. No matter what you call throughout this, stay strong. No matter how much money your podcast isn't making, just keep going, keep striving. Fire who you need to fire. You can do it. Just stay strong. You get where you need to go.

[Ish]

They count on me.

[Joe Budden]

She was good, yo.

[Melissa Ford]

She was the best.

[Ish]

Both of them.

[Joe Budden]

She was good.

[Melissa Ford]

Whitney.

[Malcolm]

It's not a music podcast.

[Melissa Ford]

Whitney Houston.

[Joe Budden]

No, we know.

[Malcolm]

She was better than good.

[Joe Budden]

She was good.

[Malcolm]

It's the joke.

[Melissa Ford]

She was the best.

[Joe Budden]

She was good. That little lady had a slap or two. She was all right.

[Melissa Ford]

That one.

[Joe Budden]

That Whitney. Yeah. I got a question for y'all.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it was a statement I made, though.

[Joe Budden]

I had a question. Pretty good, right?

[Malcolm]

I was listening to Whitney Houston the other day.

[Joe Budden]

She was pretty good, right? Yeah. One of my OGs called me. He was playing with Whitney. I was like, yo, I gotta ask, like, was she really the best? What y'all think?

[Melissa Ford]

Your audience killed me, son.

[Ish]

Killed me.

[Joe Budden]

Killed me.

[Melissa Ford]

For my last take. They killing me, son.

[Joe Budden]

All right, where. Where y'all want to go? Where y'all want to go? Anywhere y'all want to go. It's still a lot to get to. There's Still a lot to get to.

[Malcolm]

You want to go get into King's night?

[Joe Budden]

Wild King.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

King. Wow. King Knight. I feel like we got to be mature during this topic. Come on. So everybody here, or most of us have now watched the puff doc refer.

[Malcolm]

To the tag before we start this.

[Joe Budden]

Five part puff doc on Max. Yes, yes, on Max. We are not talking about that other one. We're talking about the five part part one on Max, who we usually look.

[Malcolm]

To as a good doc source. Yeah, typically Max, hbo, whoever over there.

[Ish]

Yeah. And they does good doing investigation discovery.

[Malcolm]

I'm not sure that I necessarily feel that way about this one.

[Joe Budden]

What do you think? Don't. Don't shut up and toss it us.

[Malcolm]

I don't think that it was the greatest of docs.

[Joe Budden]

It started. It was pretty good.

[Malcolm]

It was. No, it was entertaining.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't.

[Malcolm]

I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't add anything.

[Malcolm]

If they were out to. To paint him to be a monster beyond what was known for the most part. I don't think there was much new information.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with that. I agree with that. There were new voices and new people. Yeah.

[Ish]

Yes, I was gonna say.

[Joe Budden]

And that was cool.

[Ish]

That's what did it for me.

[Joe Budden]

That was cool to hear from. They did a good job of the timeline.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Joe Budden]

Across five parts. They walked you through him as a child, him at uptown, him with Clive. Oh, yeah, that's uptown.

[Ish]

Him RJ World.

[Joe Budden]

That's uptown. Yeah.

[Parks]

Well, I mean, some people don't know that anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Him with Clive, him with the reality TV up to the Ciroc and. And liquor. Liquor. And then the final part five was them sitting with one of the drug runners, the assistants or whatever. Whatever he was. And he was spilling tea. He had the text. Yeah, he was showing the text. Voice notes. The last part five. Part five was only 21 minutes long, but boy, it was.

[Malcolm]

That was the one. Really.

[Joe Budden]

That was the one.

[Malcolm]

Everything else has been fairly public, if not super public information for decades in a lot of instances.

[Parks]

Well, the. The accuser, I believe her name was Talia. That story was extraordinarily graphic and gruesome.

[Joe Budden]

Which one was Talia? Which episode?

[Malcolm]

The girl whose man worked for Police. Puff. And then he r her at the studio.

[Joe Budden]

That's Puff move. That's Puff's move too. It appears to be the Ryan Leslie, Cassie Kim, Kim Porter. I see if you have her.

[Ish]

That ain't just that move.

[Malcolm]

It's a lot of people.

[Ish]

That's a lot.

[Malcolm]

Well, I mean, outside of the R part.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we're talking about this specific kid.

[Ish]

Because a lot of dudes would be like, oh, you with him. Oh, I know I could get fc. That's a lot of moves. I told you the rapper that tried this is.

[Malcolm]

You didn't see it.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, somebody's tried it with me. A rapper. Of course he's mad at them rappers.

[Ish]

No, he tried it.

[Joe Budden]

Headache is yours. Buy Motrin.

[Ish]

A lot of feel like if I could just get her away from him, I got her. Or that nigga's corny. If I. If she'll fall for him, him I know I'mma get. Oh, that drive a what?

[Joe Budden]

Well, episode three, they said they. They chronicled Puff going through the extent of making a fake flyer to get Cassie to Miami so that she's there on work.

[Ish]

Want to get away from this. I've done that before. Y'all said it was fly.

[Joe Budden]

I've done that before. I've done it before.

[Ish]

Cuz I came in and said that was. And y'all was like, no, that's fly.

[Joe Budden]

If charges come after it, then it's not fly. If charges come after, then it's not fly.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, if you do it like.

[Joe Budden]

Like, if you do it and you.

[Ish]

Just get away and she leaves and.

[Joe Budden]

She went to sh. And that's fly.

[Ish]

That's fly.

[Joe Budden]

If you get away and then kidnap her for the next nine to 15 years against her will, I don't think it's fly. It's sick.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

If she go under her own free will, it's fly.

[Joe Budden]

One of the things that bothered me most, I think, is in episode three or four, I want to say four is the security guy. The security guy says, and I quote, Roger, whatever his name was, he says in one breath, when I knew this is when I knew it was really bad. We were over here, and they started fighting. He started kicking Cassie. He started punching Cassie like it was a fight in the next 10 minutes. He says, yeah, man. Anybody. Anybody that know Cassie, she don't tell it all right away, but she used to speak. She used to speak to. To me because we had, like, a father. Like a father, daughter relationship. Like, I saw her like a daughter. To me, that didn't sit right with me for the rest of the shit.

[Ish]

So you let the. So you let.

[Joe Budden]

So you saw her like a daughter, but you let her get her ass beat without saying anything. Right. Which is why when I watch these docs, I do think that some of the people that they show need to be vetted.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not just Talking about the puff doc. When I watch docs and they bring on people to talk about their experience on the side. Tell me. Tell me a little bit about them. Tell me if they worked at Kroger. Tell me fucking where they was born.

[Ish]

Tell me where their family relations were.

[Malcolm]

Complicit in a ball, saw a bunch of shit and did an interview.

[Ish]

Tell me how to fall out for decades. The fallout be important. Tell me why y'all don't speak no more. Tell me how y'all fell out. Because that speaks volumes. Even I remember when the R. Kelly shit was going on, and they was like, yo, we was on the tour bus, and. And the door flew open on the tour bus by mistake. Like, they hit a bump and the door flew open, and they said they looked inside and saw what they saw. And I'm like, okay. And y'all just kept working with this for the next seven, eight years. So at some point, in my opinion, your character and your moral compass is off, too. And you doing anything for some money. So my. You ain't really the.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Like the savior that you're trying to be. Now, too many people on this doc would blatantly said repeatedly, yeah, man, I feel so bad now. I feel so bad now. I didn't say anything, and that was because of. But I feel like I can make it right today.

[Ish]

It's like, nigga, no, you can't make it right. No, you can't make it right. And if that still had you on payroll, you wouldn't be trying to make it right. Yeah. And what's your motivation for making it right today? You ain't on the payroll, so now I'm gonna pay you back, right. Or not even pay you back. I just.

[Parks]

Bandwagon.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Ish]

It ain't even a personal thing. I'm getting interviews. Might be looking for some interviews, all of that.

[Joe Budden]

I also think some of them people on there were lying.

[Ish]

I ain't see it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not pointing out who I think was lying, but some of them people. It just didn't sound.

[Ish]

Some of the stories that I've heard.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't sound right.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Like, the interview is sitting there. We. You know why we brought you here. You know what we're doing, and, you.

[Ish]

Know, we need you to give us.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me about what happened. Oh, it's just. I don't. It's just too tough to tell.

[Ish]

Tell you why you here.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, what I can tell you is he was a different person. Okay.

[Ish]

You got it, bro. You got it. I think the people that are lying are gonna do the people that are telling the truth a disservice.

[Joe Budden]

Agree. Yeah. Cause I believe this. I believe this both. Yeah.

[Ish]

I believe that there are some people that have some truthful shit. I believe that there are some people that's gonna say some lying shit. And I think with the caliber of lawyers that his money can provide, I think they gonna get some of those liars on the stand and they gonna eat they fucking lunch. And what it's gonna do is create reasonable doubt for the people that are telling the truth.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I still don't think he could have but so much money left that.

[Parks]

And also, and also or even if.

[Joe Budden]

That is not true today he got money again.

[Ish]

They didn't. Look, I hear you listen to this. He came up with 50 that he ain't have to spend. He's still locked up. He had 50 to bail out out. He they ain't take it.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Ish]

He spent 50 in six months.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see what that 50 looks like around the summertime.

[Ish]

Yeah. Like it's $50 million. It's still. It's a lot of money.

[Joe Budden]

I think when you playing at a certain clip the that you paying for.

[Ish]

With different lawyers is different. I'm not disagreeing.

[Malcolm]

It's not just lawyers. I'm sure you know, you got to get specialists, researchers, professionals.

[Ish]

$50 million. My for sure. Like I, I. In my opinion.

[Joe Budden]

I think you'd be shocked at how fast somebody could spend. Yeah.

[Parks]

And exactly.

[Ish]

I paid lawyer fees for years.

[Malcolm]

Not these lords.

[Ish]

I know.

[Malcolm]

Look at it this way. You don't think 50 people might want a million dollars out of this?

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Ish]

Not in a year. No. I don't think he pays 50 individual people.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what he said. That's not what he said. He said. Do you think 50 people people would want a million dollars out of this?

[Ish]

You mean as a. When you say both.

[Malcolm]

Both lawyer fees. Anybody that's coming to us all. You mean paying people off to stay the quiet? A bunch of different.

[Ish]

Of course that's possible.

[Joe Budden]

And you still got to take care of whatever you've been taking care of while you inside. I don't think he sold that them houses yet.

[Melissa Ford]

Nobody wants to buy them.

[Malcolm]

Jets, cars, houses.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody gonna buy them houses.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

House in that floor. The house is fire.

[Malcolm]

They will.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, but it's been in the market.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody just bought the Menendez house like.

[Malcolm]

They will sage and keep it moving, bro.

[Ish]

Let me tell you something. But if I know he in that particular situation. I ain't buying that house. I'mma squeeze the out that till. He tapped out in a house that's worth 20 million. Y'all got a quick 9 million. What's up? I got 8.5. What's up?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm desperate.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm so mad. This little Alpine household, I'm mad. I'm tight.

[Ish]

I seen some yesterday. I send it to you.

[Joe Budden]

And the houses now that I'm looking at, they ain't built yet. They got the pictures up on Zillow. But when you drive by. Yeah, just some wooden sticks up.

[Ish]

I seen some yesterday.

[Joe Budden]

What town you be trying to have me in? The sticks. I want to be where opulence is.

[Ish]

See the grove.

[Joe Budden]

I won't go that far. Yeah, but that is far.

[Ish]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

How far is he to grow right.

[Ish]

Next door to Montclear? He's don't want to go.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

He don't want to go that far.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going. I'm going to Alpine.

[Ish]

He want to stay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to Alpine.

[Ish]

Up there, it's 14,000 for the cheap.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to Alpine, Okay? Y'all come with me. Come. Come have a little.

[Ish]

14,000 for the cheap. Yo, for the cheap ain't coming with you.

[Joe Budden]

Watch for the BTS for the cheap.

[Parks]

14,000 square feet.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the BTS is summer 2026. Don't you worry about it. Don't you. There's some good going on in the world right there. Hey, hold up. Let me keep the good vibe.

[Ish]

Good sage up there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's good going on out there in content world. Hey, shout out to anybody watching.

[Melissa Ford]

Something seriously wrong with you. Something is wrong. Why your backhanded compliments and stuff like that? Just chill, man. Everything is going well. Is happy.

[Joe Budden]

It's just. I don't like the term backhanded. Com compliments. And if that's something that I've been doing, then I apologize to them, man.

[Ish]

No, you don't apologize. You make a. You make a living off of backhanded compliments. What's your problem?

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, shout out to y'all. You know you been firing people.

[Joe Budden]

You had to clear up the budget.

[Melissa Ford]

You got to clear up the budget to get new things. I understand.

[Joe Budden]

Well, if y'all leave, I'm out of friends. I got to go find somebody from high school.

[Melissa Ford]

If we leave, you gonna.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta find somebody from the 80s.

[Melissa Ford]

You got a plan?

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

This is my childhood friend the third grade together. Yo, you can't read your phone at work?

[Ish]

No, I was. I was showing both of y'all the house.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I wasn't even talking about you. You can't read your phone at work neither.

[Ish]

I'll send it to you. I thought you can't read your phone at work, you weasel.

[Joe Budden]

You can't.

[Parks]

Okay, we talked about the serious about the doc. Let's get to the fuck funny. AG&BO.

[Joe Budden]

Episode five with the assistant dude, where they showing the text and the voice notes? Puff getting in his bag. Yeah, so what?

[Ish]

What bag, though?

[Joe Budden]

So what the suits called a freak off.

[Malcolm]

You know the section at Walgreens that says adult care that bad? That bag?

[Joe Budden]

So what? All of the civil suits called a freak freak off in this doc. They were calling Wild Kings Night.

[Ish]

I mean, Kings is wild WKK or wkn.

[Joe Budden]

And I might have just added that S because black people add a s. Wild King Knight. Wild W. So he was sending over the rider for the Wild King Knight. Yeah, basically. Which is. Listen, I need five bottles of BO and a G. Ag. Bo, I know to be baby oil.

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

AG Cracked my muffin while I'm watching this.

[Malcolm]

Did they flash the logo? I've ag'd before.

[Joe Budden]

I was stuck for a minute trying to talk.

[Ish]

You want to talk about jeans?

[Joe Budden]

Ag.

[Ish]

You want to talk about show business?

[Joe Budden]

I kept saying American Gangster. I didn't know what was going on.

[Ish]

Attorney General in this.

[Joe Budden]

But they was talking about after Astroglide and he was talking about some medical. I need five clarinopsin sentence.

[Malcolm]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

There was a Kalana pin. Was it?

[Malcolm]

It might have been.

[Joe Budden]

And it was. And it wasn't. Colon chloro. Something else. And one started with an M or L. Like, he was asking for specific.

[Ish]

They got special blue boys.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, he got them too. Oh, yeah. The voice note. He was asking for it all. Yo, I need. Yo, I need the microdose pill mushrooms. Yo, I need the weed. Yo, I need this, y'all. I need. Like he was putting homeboy to work to his assistant. Yes.

[Malcolm]

This young man's job was to go around and buy lube and drugs for the parties and clean up to come.

[Joe Budden]

Afterwards and clean up the cum. He said basically his job was to protect Puff's private life.

[Melissa Ford]

So why.

[Ish]

He said, so why you ratting now?

[Malcolm]

Clean up the bathtub. And it would be baby oil.

[Ish]

So see, that'd be the. I think is just so.

[Joe Budden]

Corny. Yeah, that's no I'm not doing that. I'm not. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.

[Ish]

He's saying that's the. That he thinks is corny.

[Malcolm]

Get Corny was probably getting paid 30 grand a year to do this, and now I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I'm not. It's not corny to me.

[Ish]

He wasn't getting paid 30 grand.

[Parks]

No, he was getting paid way more.

[Ish]

Than he was getting paid way more than 30 grand to clean up nothing.

[Joe Budden]

It's no longer corn is you talking. It's. No, it's. It's no longer corny. If you believe what. If you believe what the person your boss is doing is vow and illegal, it's not corny anymore. Then. Then I'm trying to help stop crimes. It's different than, hey, hey. They up there getting in their bag like grown people. Consensual sex. Once you start finding out some of the wild, it's like, oh, I'm not co signing that.

[Ish]

Ain't really want to do this. And you. Oh, you chart. Wait, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

They said he was doing. He was responsible for emergency cleanup. Emergency cleanup in these hotel rooms. The interviewer asked him, well, what needed to be cleaned. Messy ass interview. He was like, everything. It was a mess. There was come everywhere. Baby oil. Oh, he was asking for. What's the. That. That? Get the baby oil. Flour. What is it? What's this? Your baby. Baby's bacon soda. He was asking for bacon soda. He was asking for the kit. He had the wild King Knight kit.

[Malcolm]

They showed the safe with the drugs in it. The password was 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

1, 2, 3, 4.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, shout out to anybody out there with the 1, 2, 3, 4 password. It's mad at y'all.

[Malcolm]

They wanted that drugs accessible.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, we don't. We don't pay no mind to the little note down there that says very weak, very weak password. Yeah, but my question is this. Why do you need BO Nag. Why do you need baby oil and Astroglide?

[Parks]

Because you know, you cannot use baby oil as a sexual lubricant.

[Malcolm]

I don't think you want BO in the butt.

[Parks]

You don't want BO in vaginas or assholes. Yeah, it will cause. It will cause fucking infections and it'll clog.

[Melissa Ford]

Get up.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you guys for that education.

[Parks]

You're welcome.

[Melissa Ford]

Talk to them.

[Joe Budden]

My response to that is, you don't want Astro Glide up there either.

[Melissa Ford]

Astro Glide is made for in the title is made Glide.

[Ish]

Glide is made glide in the ass.

[Joe Budden]

All y'all are talking at the same time.

[Ish]

Can hear you glide.

[Malcolm]

We're saying the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

It isn't harmony. So y'all. So y'all are saying Astronomy Glide is only for ass play?

[Parks]

No, no, it's for. It's bodily orifices. It's for vagina.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying that Astroglide should not go in someone's vagina.

[Parks]

Yes, yes, it does.

[Joe Budden]

I know that it does.

[Parks]

And it can. That's what it's for. Yes, I promise you, okay?

[Joe Budden]

You buy the yeast infection and all the other shit that come with in your baby oil. I know you have a pussy.

[Parks]

Baby oil will cause said yeast infection. Astroglide is made. It is. It is a sexual lubricant. It is made for insertion.

[Joe Budden]

I comprehend.

[Parks]

Well, okay.

[Joe Budden]

My response to that is. Astroglide also does that.

[Parks]

No, it doesn't. Astro glide. Okay, you know that Astroglide is basically the same thing as KY jelly, right?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. Cause I'm not a chemist.

[Ish]

Okay, what's your lube of choice?

[Joe Budden]

Wet platinum. And I don't put that in nobody. Vagina Astroglobal. I'm not using that to put in somebody.

[Malcolm]

It's a water based.

[Ish]

I'm just reading this right here from them and it says it not only lubricates but acts as a vaginal moisturizer. It's water. Water based, water soluble and condom compatible.

[Joe Budden]

Talking to idiots that want to keep repeating the same thing. Yes, understood. I'm saying that many of the lubricants that are advertised as safe to use in vaginas aren't. Yes, that's all I'm saying to y'all.

[Ish]

Well, I will take your word.

[Joe Budden]

As someone that has tried most of the lubricants, I take your word in vaginas.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

So I don't care how they market.

[Ish]

It, but different vaginas would react.

[Parks]

Okay, hold on. Okay, hold on, hold on.

[Ish]

Cuz. Some girls don't like. Can't use Magnum. Some girls can't use condoms.

[Joe Budden]

I prefer the girls that like, just get wet.

[Melissa Ford]

There you go. You got to.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. I prefer the girls that.

[Melissa Ford]

When I.

[Joe Budden]

When I hit that nibble with a. Like, it just naturally has ag. Yeah, the ones where it's. When it's. Cons. They want to do consensual. They. Y'all got like a natural. Some of y'all. Some of y'all. Let me not put that on all y'all. That's it. That's it.

[Malcolm]

Seven bottles is a lot of Lube might have a.

[Ish]

Or not, depending on what they. Wow, that's a lot of loot.

[Melissa Ford]

Depending on how many people there.

[Joe Budden]

How many people bring back the men that know how to get a vagina naturally wet.

[Parks]

You have. Okay, hold on one second here. You've never been. No, not even that. You've never been in a situation where you've been all day and like, the cat gets a little swollen and needs a little bit of help.

[Joe Budden]

Melissa.

[Parks]

Yes. I'm not Melissa.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I have.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And that's when I stop inserting in her.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly. Take a rest.

[Joe Budden]

Once I beat them lips up to the swelling portion. And she's like, ah. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Beat this thing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it hurts, right? Yeah, bitch. That ain't the sign for me to keep going. That's me. I stop when I swell it up. Job done, Marlboro man. Okay.

[Ish]

Not just that to ISIS point.

[Parks]

A little bit of pain.

[Ish]

Feels good, dog. Some of this shit is transactional.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Ish]

So if it's transactional, I might not be getting the wettest for the nigga. Cause I'm fucking him for money.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's when I open the drawer and just pull the money out.

[Ish]

They might not get wet. It's transactional, bro.

[Joe Budden]

When it's transactional and I open the drawer and pull the money out and get to doing this while they do back in the day, then, yeah, it's gonna get wet. I'm not putting no astroglot and no vagina. I'm not. I'm not doing it real weird. That's what you need. Have at it. I eat pussy good. I fuck good. I talk good. Let me get in that ear. Let me get. Let me get missionary. Get in that ear. I won't need no ass.

[Ish]

Look. And oral sex. Get them. Get them going. You ain't necessarily eating no box of the chick that you paying for. Box.

[Malcolm]

The right hand work. Get the. Get the job done, too.

[Ish]

Too, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm Puff this finger right here. Undefeated. I'm.

[Ish]

I'm puff my.

[Joe Budden]

Don't let me hit him with the deuce. Them two right with the deuce right there.

[Malcolm]

Little middle finger guy.

[Joe Budden]

That's awkward for you.

[Ish]

Them two. Them two right there.

[Joe Budden]

The bowling.

[Ish]

You got to go bowling. Them the two right there.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this is interesting. Wait, you do the.

[Parks]

Wait, you were about to say something. As an example. You're puff.

[Ish]

If you puff, I'm not eating your. To get you wet. I might got six girls in there. I'm not eating six pussies. I'm worth a billion dollars. Y'all bitches gonna please me. I'm paying y'all to please me. And that's the attitude. That's. That might be that again, I, you know, that's not my bag. But I could see that being an attitude of a bunch of dudes that paying for pussy. However much money get you there, I need to make about. I'm paying dollars less than me, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. And this is the other part where I'm calling out lies. This is the other part where I'm calling out lies. And it may be inconsistent, so if so, bleep it. The assistant said with a serious face on, looking like he was about to cry. He said, or they might have asked him because the interview was in her bag too. Was there any type of initiation process or a test for you so he knew that you were loyal?

[Malcolm]

This one.

[Joe Budden]

And the assistant dude said, so glad you asked. As a matter of of fact, there was. I paused, it went and got some chips. I was like, oh, he about to go crazy. Let me go get the wavy legs. Big bag. Yeah, big giant, family size. Hey, I gotta talk to y'all about them chips with the.

[Parks]

The recall.

[Ish]

No, not no recall. The re. Air.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Put no chips in the bag no more. It be this much chips in the back.

[Joe Budden]

And it don't be chips, it be crumbs.

[Ish]

It ain't crushed up half.

[Joe Budden]

You got the dip here. You trying to pick up the crumbs.

[Ish]

You don't even get a whole chip.

[Malcolm]

So what was the point of all that air? There's no more whole chips.

[Ish]

Ain't no more. Who chips?

[Joe Budden]

Whole chips is done.

[Ish]

You might get four or five whole chips. The rest is a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, this dude was like, I'm so glad you asked. As a matter of fact, there was one night he pulled me to the side. I'm getting ready to cry with him. You know I like to cry. Give me something I could cry. Said one night, he pulled me to the side and said, it's time to see if you're really about it. And the interviewer said, well, what did he do? What did he do next? I grabbed a chip with no dick.

[Melissa Ford]

He raw dog the chip.

[Joe Budden]

This is the talking about. He brought me in the back to this room and told me to have sex with this girl. It was consensual. The girl said, yeah. He looked at the girl. He said, will you have sex with him? She said, yes, I will. And I was forced to have sex with this woman while he stood There I was so embarrassed. And when it was done, I ran to a room and cried.

[Ish]

I felt dirty.

[Joe Budden]

I can't believe I was forced to do this, nigga, I was sitting there so confused. All right, we got to stop putting sauce on some of this doc.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop it, money.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it, money. Puff had one of the baddest you ever seen in your life ready to go and said, hey, consensually, we get it done right now, okay? He and his freak bag. I want to watch. Well, that's why it's all wrong. So let me be clear. I understand the power die dynamic. If I hired you for that.

[Ish]

You didn't hire me for that. You didn't hire me to nobody.

[Joe Budden]

You can't tell me what I hired you about.

[Ish]

The dude you didn't hire. I was the assistant. And he said to see if you.

[Joe Budden]

Really Drug runner dog hired some to stick bananas in their. At the London strip club. Yo, people are hiring people, and they get into the after work scene, which sometimes includes, I'm gonna keep it buck.

[Ish]

And I'm sure there was some level of NDA and there was some level of agreement that he signed prior to working for Puff, I'm sure.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Ish]

Of course. So that might have been a little specific.

[Joe Budden]

That means somebody could get meek for when we go to the strip club. Like when me, Mel and Imani or whatever went to the strip club and I go grab a girl and put on. On Mel.

[Ish]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Mel can say she felt obliged to do that because of the power dynamic.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, this trying to be funny.

[Ish]

Not be trying to be funny.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, you're right. No, you're right.

[Ish]

I'm just saying really, how it could go.

[Joe Budden]

I taped it.

[Ish]

I believe you. So what that mean?

[Malcolm]

Careful, careful.

[Ish]

So that might be evidence to tape it. No, listen. Did you get her consent to tape? Yo, even if she says it's consensual, she can change ice.

[Joe Budden]

You've been on my list anyway. Go ahead, keep it up. He trying to help you.

[Melissa Ford]

Can I. Can I tape you at this moment?

[Ish]

No, bro, it's still she. She can say, yo, I still felt forced. I consented, but I felt forced. I thought that if I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

So you can't even go to the.

[Ish]

Strip club with your co. Not that you have the power dynamic over. No.

[Joe Budden]

What if I fire myself and then.

[Ish]

You hide yourself back the next day? Yeah, good luck with that then.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just going as a friend.

[Ish]

Go ahead, go tell them that. Go ahead, tell them that.

[Malcolm]

I'm still going to the strip club with you, buddy.

[Ish]

No, you get my point, though, look.

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Parks]

You're absolutely right. But I'm still coming.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's go, man. Thank God.

[Joe Budden]

Who want to work around that person?

[Parks]

But wait, I have. I just have a question for everybody that saw the doc. I don't want to be insensitive. This is a completely innocent question. Who's the assistant straight?

[Malcolm]

I wasn't sure I was going to say that when he was making his critique of the situation.

[Parks]

And so that. That would.

[Joe Budden]

Now that makes sense.

[Parks]

And that's what would make it particularly egregious if he is not.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I take it that way.

[Parks]

And forced him to have sex with a woman.

[Joe Budden]

She's right.

[Ish]

That changed things.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Even if he was straight on them gay boots.

[Parks]

No, but I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Let's just say his boots.

[Parks]

It's still.

[Ish]

Oh, you said the power.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Parks]

You're absolutely right. Power dynamics still exist. Even though if he is straight, I'm.

[Ish]

Saying he could have been straight and attracted to that woman.

[Parks]

Yes, it's still wrong, but.

[Ish]

Yes, it is wrong.

[Parks]

But if we're acknowledging the fact what I think most people came to the conclusion of that he was not straight, then that is particularly egregious to make you do that. To make, you know, make you feel like you have to do that. Have sex with a woman when you don't like vagina.

[Joe Budden]

All right, you walk. You talk me into it.

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on your side.

[Ish]

And that would.

[Joe Budden]

That whole little. When he.

[Ish]

What he said to him ahead of time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So swap. Swap Shorty out. Go get money the king. No.

[Ish]

Oh. Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if he start some in front of me, I'll be saying stupid.

[Melissa Ford]

Shine light on him. Shine light on.

[Joe Budden]

It's going to be tough to keep a hard on while I'm watching, buddy. Well, that could be.

[Ish]

Yo, I'm. I'm with. That's the power part. Like, that's the real now. It's almost like humiliate. You type like, that's your ritual.

[Joe Budden]

If you really down, you shouldn't make a gay dude a girl. If y'all work some type of initial Asian. You're right. You're absolutely right about that. I've come around.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

It's okay. Clean it up. Clean it up. Call the dude.

[Ish]

Clean it up. The cup.

[Melissa Ford]

Call the dude to clean it up.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, y'all nasty. Hell, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Can you imagine if.

[Joe Budden]

No nothing. Imagine if you gay, then I ain't a cuck no more. I'm not watching anymore.

[Malcolm]

Oh, I see.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, okay. It's no longer my.

[Malcolm]

I'm saying if you still watch, you still might be a cuck.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, well, yeah, if you still watch it.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'd be in there with the movie 3D glasses. You know how much I'd be doing just to see if you could stay hard while I'm over here on the side playing patty cake. Let's see how that blood really get flowing in your body.

[Melissa Ford]

Something seriously wrong with you.

[Joe Budden]

No, but you're right. He did look a little. Even though I think that's inappropriate to say. He did look a little.

[Malcolm]

We don't know.

[Parks]

We don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

But don't put that jacket on.

[Parks]

Wouldn't be surprised if.

[Malcolm]

Sure he had the boots.

[Joe Budden]

He had the boots on the Lenny Kravitz joints. Yep.

[Ish]

Which boots?

[Malcolm]

Some shit with zippers.

[Melissa Ford]

Lenny Kravitz.

[Ish]

He has some fries on now.

[Melissa Ford]

Walking into Brooklyn Choice.

[Joe Budden]

He had the Rick Owens. I ain't in the girls 12 that's up. We leaving this cuz I'm going just be immature the whole time.

[Melissa Ford]

Had the baking powder to clean the gym. That just soak up the baby. Yeah, it soaks it up. Yeah.

[Ish]

Baby oil soak up nut.

[Melissa Ford]

No, probably baking powder.

[Malcolm]

I think a jizzle just float around in there.

[Parks]

Baking soda.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, baking soda, yeah.

[Ish]

Pulls up the oil.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Coming Oil mix for the clogs. Then you got to get the drain on pour.

[Malcolm]

That's what he said.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Malcolm]

The. The bathtub reach in there. There was nothing but bab baby oil in that.

[Melissa Ford]

Them feel the tub with baby oil like.

[Joe Budden]

And I was shocked that he was still doing that at a hotel.

[Ish]

But they don't be normally hotels though.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not now when you wild king night go home.

[Ish]

No, you don't want everybody to know.

[Malcolm]

Kings in my house.

[Joe Budden]

You shouldn't do this in a hotel. You got to clean this.

[Ish]

And if I.

[Melissa Ford]

What type of hotels are they doing?

[Ish]

They doing that in $20,000 a night hotels. They doing that in hotels that are literally there to shut the up and let you do whatever you want to do for that for $35,000 a night. And I'm going to guarantee you that I'm going to have my assistant come in and clean up whatever he cannot clean. Clean up. Charge me a cleaning fee with the professional service.

[Joe Budden]

All right. You convinced me again.

[Ish]

And I'm writing it off.

[Joe Budden]

You convinced me. I'm with you off the king's day.

[Ish]

It's crazy and I'm writing it Off.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, great.

[Parks]

You guys never like on all your tour days up hotel rooms?

[Joe Budden]

Not.

[Malcolm]

Not really.

[Joe Budden]

Not to the degree that we're talking about.

[Parks]

No, I understand. Not to that degree.

[Joe Budden]

Any up a hotel. I did the clean lady in the morning could fix it.

[Ish]

Had no money like that to be having a private assistant come with the baking soda.

[Malcolm]

I never had to that much Luber baby oil in my possession ever my entire life.

[Joe Budden]

And let me just say. Listen, while I agree with you. There are $20,000 night hotels that are with the ships. The hotel is how he got into this jam anyway.

[Ish]

Facts true, but supposed to get. So think about how.

[Joe Budden]

Let me take that.

[Ish]

That's not how he got into.

[Joe Budden]

Let me. I take that back. His behavior got him into a gym.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

But the hotel having footage of your behavior didn't. Wasn't helpful to you.

[Ish]

But think about this. The hotel hid that footage for the better part of a decade. And somebody's greed allowed them to keep a second copy because he thought he bought the first one.

[Joe Budden]

Until my man called. What's my man name from tmz? The little white dude, Harvey. Harvey. Harvey called.

[Ish]

He paid 50 grand for the. For the original quote, unquote. You can't do that at a normal Marriott, my nigga. You get what I'm saying?

[Melissa Ford]

So he's standing some shafuckers in, nigga.

[Ish]

Standing some boutique private shit that you walk by the door and you shouldn't even talk to the hotel.

[Melissa Ford]

Some shit with a tunnel in it, nigga. Yeah, some of the hotels is for real.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I do believe one day Puff will eventually get out of jail. And when that day happens, I'll be sure better not eat nowhere near that house. He coming straight for Al B. Sure again. Here, have some tea, nigga. Go ahead. Come on. More. They got that hydroglassic team that put you out, boy.

[Ish]

Hydro glassic.

[Malcolm]

Prayers up to the victims, man. Some of the stories are actually traumatizing and horrible to listen to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, prayers to each one of the victims for sure. I did want to see more Albie Shore in this one. When I'll be sure.

[Malcolm]

Should drop any, right? I. I remember. I don't remember any Albisore in this one.

[Joe Budden]

Not in this one.

[Parks]

He wasn't in this one.

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't in this. This one. You got his book coming?

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You got his book coming? Best bestseller.

[Melissa Ford]

And they're going to talk about. I ain't going to ask that question.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Parks]

Now we want to know.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. You're getting better.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I Just.

[Malcolm]

I don't want to know.

[Joe Budden]

What else, what else, what else, what else?

[Ish]

The D.C. crash.

[Joe Budden]

Have at it.

[Ish]

So a Blackhawk helicopter crashed into American Airlines. Yeah, American Airlines flight that was about to land in dc. It's caught on video. Just respect to all the victims. There's a lot of side talk going around I don't want to get into.

[Joe Budden]

But the victims, the pilot, the co pilot, the stewardess, all victims.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Families like this. Imagine.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I want to shout them all out because it's some news reporters out there, some news reports out there that were saying, did y'all hear that? There was no VIPs on the flight? Did y'all hear that one?

[Parks]

No, I didn't hear that.

[Ish]

Yeah, no VIPs on the. On the helicopter, everyone. That.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Ish]

That was disgusting.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Parks]

One of the only things I heard was Trump tried to blame the crash on dei. I was like, what the fuck?

[Joe Budden]

Well, we getting there. I think. We think that's what we're doing. Yeah.

[Ish]

But, yeah, to say there's no VIPs was discussed enough.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, nasty.

[Joe Budden]

And one of them reported reporters to. To a husband waiting on his wife that said, hey, I was just texting with her 10 minutes ago. And in all communication, see stupid ass reporter talking about, can I see the text?

[Malcolm]

That's disgusting.

[Joe Budden]

There's a lot of disgusting behavior going around surrounding bro. Like mass tragedy.

[Ish]

There's news for content purposes, media content. All of that shit is disgusting. My. Like, yo, we really have lost the sensitivity piece. When. When. And just reporting tragedy, it's really about the most salacious shit you can find. So somebody waiting on their wife to come out. You like, can I see the text? You mind if I take a picture of that? Take a picture of this nigga. Want to take pictures of somebody to be the first one to pose. It's the rush to be first. It's the rush for the exclusive. We totally lost all human decency.

[Melissa Ford]

They said that the. Who are the. What's the people named?

[Joe Budden]

The faa, the traffic controllers. Air traffic control. Thank you.

[Melissa Ford]

Air traffic controllers. They said that the airport or the area where the air traffic controller is, they were understaffed. Understaffed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you so much.

[Ish]

But from my report, and I got a.

[Melissa Ford]

It was like 19, when it's supposed to be 30.

[Ish]

I got an inside report that said basically that everybody at the airport did everything the right way. Everything was done accordingly. The. The mistake rests solely on the Blackhawk pilot they were talking to.

[Joe Budden]

In the video, it showed.

[Ish]

It looked like that they said the Blackhawk pilot, they were asking him, yo, you, do you not see this plane in front of you? And he was not responsive. So.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, in one of them, he replied, yes, I see the plane.

[Ish]

And then they kept asking him, as he keeps going and going and going and going. It's like, yo, my.

[Joe Budden]

There's a theory out there theater that says maybe he thought he saw one plane and that wasn't the plane that they were talking about. I won't. I can't.

[Ish]

They said that.

[Joe Budden]

Speak to that. But when you watch the video, it did look like that almost crashed into about four different planes.

[Ish]

But they were saying that it's mad lights. Like it's night time and there's so many lights that it could be blinding for the. Exactly.

[Malcolm]

In a metropolitan city.

[Ish]

And then I heard that in one.

[Joe Budden]

Of the business busiest, you know, in.

[Ish]

The country, It's a huge airport in the country, D.C. so they said that also, like, that airspace is a different level of restricted airspace. We're talking about D.C. my. Like so many. Yeah. So many buildings and important buildings. Like outside of New York, it might be the most important place in the. Maybe more important than New York. And they saying that dude was just doing some. That was wild. The. The Blackhawk pop was just on some other shit.

[Malcolm]

He lost his life as well, right?

[Ish]

He did.

[Malcolm]

So, I mean, rest in peace.

[Ish]

Rest in peace as well. But they. But for Trump to. Now, he barely was sympathetic to the.

[Parks]

Victims because he's not gonna accept anyone.

[Ish]

This is who he elected to lead us.

[Parks]

So there's a whole article in Time magazine about this where it's discussing the fact that Trump is now in office and all of his cabinet members, like he's appointing people. And so there are article. It's in Time magazine. It says, just days before the crash, President Donald Trump enacted a sweeping shakeup of federal agencies responsible for aviation oversight, removing the administrator. Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, the tsa, and eliminating all the members of the key Aviation security Advisory group, the Fed. The faa, which regulates airlines and aircraft manufacturers and manages the nation's airspace, was also without permanent leadership at the time of the crash because its top official got into it with Elon and basically resigned.

[Joe Budden]

So that's sick.

[Ish]

So the first thing you do for damage control is blame Biden, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, the first thing you do, your first report is blame Biden. It's disgusting, bro. Even when I heard the dude from American Airlines get on his first two or three sentences, he was like yeah, such and such is a wholly owned subsidiary of blah blah. Like you talking about insurance. Insurance shit. And you know what I mean liability shit instead of addressing these people that lost their life in your first two sentences is disgusting to me.

[Malcolm]

Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Parks]

But aren't like Blackhawks like military personnel?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Malcolm]

Highly trained you with that?

[Parks]

Exactly. So wouldn't it just behoove you to kind of think that the increased military presence is a direct order from Trump?

[Joe Budden]

So if he's the commander in chief.

[Ish]

Indirectly is been there a week or two maybe he's done a lot of.

[Parks]

Inside of a week or two.

[Ish]

I don't know about if it went down that far. My thing is, dog, I don't know if we can address it as a mistake. Don't address it as yo, this is their fault or start pointing the fingers. I think all of that is goofy. When 70 people lost their lives. I think that is just disgusting. My. I just think it's trash.

[Malcolm]

Agree.

[Joe Budden]

Whether we can before they've pulled these bodies out of the before families have been notified. Like that's the thing. Like whatever you call yourself attributing this to.

[Ish]

It's not the place. And then his. The people that are being that are reporting on it. You could tell they so scared of the nigger that they tapping that they tap their oh, Donald Trump said that this is a direct result of DEI hires. What do you feel about that? We're going to just look at all the evidence and then we'll come to a. A. You know, they said it's going to take a year for them to come to a direct conclusion. They'll have some pertinent information in 30 days. But the investigation will take for the most part 12 months for them to come back.

[Joe Budden]

Then the news started putting up pictures of some of the people that was on the.

[Ish]

And that. I can't watch that. I can't watch that, bro.

[Melissa Ford]

I think how many children they.

[Joe Budden]

The black lawyer. The, the teenage kids. The. That was doing.

[Ish]

I'm watching that. I cut that off good. They showed the whole staff. The, the. The pilots.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And the black girl. That was the flight attendant. I was. You know, that was bad.

[Joe Budden]

Really disturbing. Again, our hearts go out to everybody. Yeah, everybody. The family, the friends, America, period. You were the. The travelers. Yeah, the travelers.

[Malcolm]

Travelers.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz it was another crash too. That wasn't the only plane crash. Yeah, it was a whole nother plane crash. At some point, if regular pedestrians just start seeing planes crash like as a common thing. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

You're not getting them Flights.

[Ish]

There's a theory floating around.

[Melissa Ford]

There is.

[Ish]

About the crashes and the increase of them. It's to put the fear of people getting in planes because they want to try to put some type of underground.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Under the water to drive the damage. Demand for that fear is the biggest motivator.

[Melissa Ford]

I said that last time on the pod.

[Ish]

You did.

[Melissa Ford]

I said that. You know, do you think that there's a objective here they are trying to put an underground train station under the water or London to New York.

[Ish]

To New York one.

[Melissa Ford]

They've been trying to do that. So I don't understand.

[Joe Budden]

Let's. Let's unpack conspiracy theories after they pull bodies out of the water. I don't want us to do the same thing.

[Melissa Ford]

Rest in peace. To those involved.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Melissa Ford]

Those that affected. Our condolences to you.

[Ish]

Everybody's families out there who can imagine.

[Melissa Ford]

You know, when you. To think about how just things just change. Right. You can go to sleep and just wake up and. And like that regular.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. I'm going to pick up my wife from the airport. Speaking to your husband, my kids, whatever it is.

[Ish]

Was about the land. So like yo, all right, we about to land. You know, once you 200ft.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Once you yourself. Your phone is working now, right? Like you don't. You don't caught tackle hours again.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I'll be out in two seconds. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And then you.

[Ish]

Final descent. We almost there.

[Melissa Ford]

They got a video of a. From a driver's view of. You know, you just see the Black Hawk sitting there.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

Doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't make sense.

[Joe Budden]

So. Well, sensible or not is disturbing. Extremely unfortunate. And again. Again, our prayers go out to the family, friends, loved ones of all the victims. Of all of the victims. It's a horrible. Hopefully we as just onlookers don't have to continue to see again. He ain't been in there two weeks or he ain't been in there two weeks, bro.

[Ish]

And just handle that with sandpaper gloves.

[Malcolm]

All that that they was talking about. Ah, he's not doing that. He's not doing that. He got in there and got right to it. Whatever.

[Ish]

My. For you to sign that many executive orders. You already had your team working on them before you go. Yo. Yep, yep. You gone. You gone. You got like. It's getting crazy. And to all my people. Y'all know who y'all are. I was arguing with for months pre election. I don't want to hear a peep. Facts I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear nothing. This the that y'all elected right here.

[Joe Budden]

Mm. Strap up. Yeah, it's gonna get real. It's gonna be a long four.

[Ish]

Four years.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Let me help y'all out.

[Malcolm]

Voting in midterms.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's real.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Try to lift the morale in here. Lift the vibes in here. Come on. Don't get sad. Don't get down. Don't get sad. Little light work verse in the hook real quick. Not too much. All right, we got an hour. Make it count.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, listen, listen.

[Joe Budden]

Another hour. Let's make it count. Turn up. Attack each other.

[Melissa Ford]

Look, I want to tell you something.

[Joe Budden]

Attack each other.

[Melissa Ford]

I gotta leave after the pod, but I don't want to get docked. This nigga ill. And no, no, no. I don't want to get docked.

[Joe Budden]

So tml, let him land. Let's let him land.

[Melissa Ford]

Please let me land. Cause it takes a while with these lights. I stutter a lot, but when I'm confident in what I'm saying, I'm not gonna stutter. Check this out. I don't want to get docked. I gotta go. I got work to do. Last joint, you was extremely supportive, and it gave me confidence. It made me look forward to something. But this time, you put your foot down. So now it's like playing double Dutch. Nigga, I stand by the. Have you noticed that sometimes I go there and come back? And go there and come back.

[Joe Budden]

I noticed that.

[Melissa Ford]

Cause I'm contemplating to leave, but I don't wanna get docked. So how can we fix this? I would like to make an amendment. Corey, mind your business. I'd like to fix it. I would like you to go back to supporting your man like when I first came here. That's why I signed the extra. And you be waiting till the last.

[Joe Budden]

But you signed the new joint with these changes.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I don't like it. You just caught me after Christmas.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you should have rolled back. What's the white people saying on it? It's just best and final. All you had to do was not sign it and hit back. Yo, is that best and final? And I would have said, yes, it's best and final or no. That's the crapshoot. That's the game.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen now, if you leave, because I.

[Joe Budden]

Know you got the room tomorrow. You know what I mean? Shout. Shout out to Gary Caruso. Armani Killer. Kev, Asia, Mac.

[Melissa Ford]

Nicole.

[Joe Budden]

Nicole. Imani got the condom on now. Oh, Imani got the condom on right now. Hey, Imani don't use condoms sometimes. Oh, Sometimes you do sell out. I know you got the room tomorrow, and I know that you probably have to do some things to prepare for. For the room. Yes. So if you leave after the pod, I'm not gonna give you a look. There ain't gonna be no phone calls. Not gonna be a. Hey, buddy, we fixed the contract to where you can do that.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, but then I will look at my account on the 1st and I'll see.

[Joe Budden]

It wouldn't look the same, but that's fine. Because you're making even more money now on your side ventures than you were the last time we had to talk about. How much money do you think everybody. Everybody's making on their side ventures. Your number has gone up so you could afford the doc over here. Because you killing. No, you're killing. I just feel you sent out invites.

[Melissa Ford]

I did, but I just feel like you should still support your man. Cause it's motivational. I do support you and it shows that you appreciate the work that we put in here.

[Joe Budden]

I support you and I appreciate the work that you getting done.

[Melissa Ford]

Your words don't mean nothing, nigga. Show me action.

[Joe Budden]

You know I support you. My actions don't show I support you.

[Melissa Ford]

Come on, listen.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, big dog.

[Parks]

The action being not docking.

[Ish]

Not docking.

[Melissa Ford]

When she gonna do her move? Her not like that.

[Malcolm]

What about like advertising?

[Melissa Ford]

Let me snitch on her. Her not like she gonna do a movie. She still lit. She come. Is she like that, too? I mean, you signed it before anybody knows. You have some prehistorical shit.

[Joe Budden]

I want to put that in everybody contract. But it still will only affect you. It ain't gonna affect the rest of the cuz.

[Melissa Ford]

They get a lot of money.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

No. Cause when they call out, it really be like, yo, my daughter. Yo, I got the vid, yo. I'm shooting a movie. You just. Whatever.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going to get arrested.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to be here today. I'm sick of y'all.

[Ish]

And I'm gonna show up after y'all started.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all wanna. Now I'm out. No, here's the. Y'all wanna leave working and hit spaces. Y'all wanna leave here early. Yo, smoke was coming from my head dead the last bar we did. I ain't tell nobody, though. I tucked it. I tucked it. I ain't tell nobody. Do I want to?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Say it.

[Joe Budden]

I like tucking and just bringing it up passive aggressively. In the future.

[Melissa Ford]

I say it.

[Ish]

Oh, my God.

[Parks]

Technically, this is the future.

[Ish]

At least you honest.

[Melissa Ford]

I think everybody Stayed that day a lot of time.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see. I don't. After we leave after a long day of work, getting it done, getting to it. Our brother Ish wasn't here. Everybody held it down. Really got to it.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see Spaces five minutes after. I don't. I gotta fix the contract.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't, nigga. You'll never change that.

[Ish]

Wait, what? Yeah, you lost me, Joe.

[Melissa Ford]

You'll never change that.

[Joe Budden]

I understand your contract. It ain't time for you yet, so it don't matter. It don't matter. I don't fuck about no spaces.

[Ish]

That's what I say.

[Joe Budden]

You the only one that's gonna affect.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not. I would never say.

[Joe Budden]

I need a buffer between the show.

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And Spaces. We gotta deal with it in March.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, I don't. I don't. Listen, listen. I don't use topics or talk about topics. Topics from here on Spaces.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see you over there having fun.

[Melissa Ford]

You going to see.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see you in your bed.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm about to listen when it's time.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see none of that. Five minutes.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going. Just be honest.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like nine hours at work. We sitting here. Hey, ain't no topics. We struggle to get to it. Come on, y'all. Pull it out of here. Come on, y'all. Let's just find. Come on.

[Melissa Ford]

A little bit.

[Joe Budden]

We almost.

[Ish]

Nigga get on spaces. Be like, yo, what's going on?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Niggas get on spaces. Topics galore. Like mirror bro topics galore. I'll say this.

[Melissa Ford]

This whole on time for January being a stand working. It's just you put something, but that's what.

[Joe Budden]

That's the power struggle that me and him got. And then we moving on to Justin Tucker.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

Our power struggle is I put. I implement some in the contract. He don't like. He finds some new that wasn't addressed and do it knowing that it's going to piss me off. He know I'm getting mad at dude. 24 hour spaces day. He know I am, but it's. I can't. So I can't.

[Melissa Ford]

You come and support me. I'm trying. I'm making money. I'm figuring it out.

[Ish]

Yo, why would that make you mad?

[Melissa Ford]

Tell him.

[Ish]

I understood when you got mad before. The day before he did improper improv.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree.

[Ish]

That affect your work. Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

100%. That was wild. There's no excuse. I tried to make excuses for that. That was nasty. But spaces, you can't say nothing. I'm killing over there.

[Joe Budden]

Not till March.

[Melissa Ford]

Can't say even in March.

[Joe Budden]

And hopefully before March, your wife will fix it for me. Because that's what I'm home praying at some point. That's married. I'm just telling you what I'd be thinking at home.

[Melissa Ford]

I slap fire.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you, I take it, I take it.

[Ish]

I eat it. Sectional.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you what I'd be thinking at home.

[Ish]

That's the ratio at home ain't cheap. Flip.

[Joe Budden]

The shit I be mad at. I'm like, at some point, the married niggas wives is gonna say, come to bed. But you don't. And I get mad.

[Ish]

Now, he got a better setup.

[Melissa Ford]

I do got a better. And she.

[Ish]

When he go to bed, Captain E be in there holding it down.

[Melissa Ford]

No, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to E. I'mma fire him. Both. I'm firing both.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, but look how nasty.

[Joe Budden]

You take off for a week, made it reminded me how good it feel with, like, one less person. Like, it's just intimate. It's intimate. We firing both together. And then I'm coming in spaces. And I still want the same appreciation. Bring me to the stage.

[Melissa Ford]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

Never. Yo, when I come into space after I fire you, and for the pod to get bigger, somebody has to get fire.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, I'll take that.

[Joe Budden]

The J one that didn't get it done. That's my man. Still, he could probably come back. But for the pod to get to the next level.

[Ish]

What type of math you doing?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Addition by subtraction. No.

[Ish]

Guaranteed. In addition.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, the only. The only that.

[Joe Budden]

You won't talk.

[Ish]

We'll talk. No guarantee.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's what. That's what. Yo, Ish.

[Joe Budden]

You signed.

[Melissa Ford]

This is. He wanted BE one real quick.

[Ish]

You say, I don't want no beef with you, bro.

[Melissa Ford]

That's his bag. You don't got to sign another. His value is signed. Yeah, we out together, leave like a group. It's electric.

[Joe Budden]

Move on out there.

[Melissa Ford]

You have another one, and I'mma on you.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to hold. I. I'm not even going to lie to y'all. I'm going be totally honest and vulnerable. This show would feel the effects of you two leaving at the same time. That's true. True. So I'm not. I don't have a joke. Then I got to listen to this. If y'all leave, she leaving too. Hey, if you two do some Buddy, buddy. She is right behind you with Daisy. I ain't playing with y'all. We gonna have to figure it out, rebuild again. I ain't dealing with. Hey, Corey. I ain't. I ain't dealing with this. If y'all get out of here. You crazy. Oh, my Lord. And I'm kidding. I'm kidding. To the people that are unable to tell when I'm joking, they don't care. They think I'm the worst thing in.

[Malcolm]

The world's coming no matter what.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, don't worry about it. It's happening. Yeah. Yeah. A few of y'all stay home, huh?

[Ish]

You made me stay home.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's out there already.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what they said.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. You've seen it? Yeah. No, no, no.

[Ish]

You made me stay home.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, that ain't what I say. I made you stay home. It's just staying home to prove his worth. He's not coming. Do Umar by yourself, raise my money or else it's over.

[Ish]

That's what I said. The more of them said that I was being stubborn and I signed. So you made me stay home.

[Joe Budden]

That'll make sense.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's back.

[Joe Budden]

That only makes sense.

[Melissa Ford]

We felt your presence.

[Joe Budden]

How that makes sense?

[Ish]

I mean, both of them make sense.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Ish]

Yo, don't make you not you not compliant. Yeah, then you got to stay home and not get paid.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't do that.

[Melissa Ford]

He ain't going to do that. I'm just saying he a do that to you, dog.

[Ish]

They don't know what the they talking about. What we the. You know why if you don't when.

[Melissa Ford]

You go to other podcast, the numbers he know. Hey, bad F 300,000. Where's this? I've been chilling.

[Joe Budden]

You know you said bad fuel. So that cut off the joke I was about to make. Cuz I know them. Shout out to them.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, just out to the bag.

[Joe Budden]

Fuel to the side side. The number's gonna go up when ish pop up. Cause it only be 50 views before he get there anyway. That's nasty. It show up. It show up to them bums with 20 views and get in his tonight conversation bag. I'm still on y'all ass. I've been up since 6am watching YouTube, trying to piece it together. Tonight's conversation. They making it time.

[Ish]

They want to come up here. I told him, you want me to come up here?

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. Well, you said what? They want to come here.

[Ish]

I'll tell you later.

[Joe Budden]

They want to come here.

[Parks]

I want to Talk about it. We've been talking about it all week.

[Joe Budden]

Not Trip. Not.

[Parks]

I told.

[Joe Budden]

Not Trip Fontaine with your fast partners.

[Ish]

Ace want to come?

[Parks]

I told him that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Hear me.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, let me know.

[Ish]

Hear me.

[Joe Budden]

Please come.

[Ish]

I dubbed it, cuz. I thought you was gonna say no cheer.

[Joe Budden]

Cheers. Yeah. You've been home sick. We've been dying for this. Tonight's conversation.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't know what.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

It's too many confusing stories.

[Ish]

I don't know either.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me this know. Cause it's.

[Ish]

He talked.

[Joe Budden]

That was every dm. Well, he talked to everybody. And that's the party he was going to in case he left.

[Ish]

So now they gotta open it.

[Joe Budden]

It's got his ducks in a row. He's gonna be right on stage in Missouri. Nah. Because women will do this. That nigga gonna be a machine on the road.

[Ish]

Your mind is crazy, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, anybody from tonight's conversation want to have a today conversation? Please, by all means.

[Ish]

Are you serious?

[Parks]

Yes, I sh.

[Ish]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, don't try to look for reasons to hit Trip.

[Parks]

That's not what.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck you.

[Ish]

Shout out to Trip. Trip is my man. Shout out to Tripp.

[Melissa Ford]

Right?

[Parks]

I showed you the text where Trip is from.

[Joe Budden]

Trip is wherever he's from's version of is ish. From Maryland is. Oh, you from Maryland. Yo, come on. Justin Tucker.

[Malcolm]

Justin Tucker.

[Joe Budden]

Justin Tucker. Justin Tucker. Yo, tugging away. Justin Tucker, kicker for the Baltimore Ravens. Kicking legend.

[Malcolm]

Absolutely one of the best.

[Joe Budden]

One of the greatest ever kicking legend. And see, after this, I'mma say something ignorant, but let's have a serious talk.

[Malcolm]

This year, it's all adding up a little bit. Yeah, it's adding up a little bit.

[Ish]

When this report came out, I said.

[Joe Budden]

Ah, Turns out Justin Tucker has a hard time kicking it. See, he's a kicker, but he kicking it.

[Ish]

But he keep it straight.

[Joe Budden]

No, he might be curved.

[Melissa Ford]

He might.

[Joe Budden]

Might pull out the curve ratchet on him. All right. Justin Tucker is said to be banned from multiple massage parlors in the Baltimore area. He is being accused of inappropriate behavior, making women touches private ejaculating in these sessions. And they are investigating.

[Ish]

Mess don't tip right?

[Malcolm]

Which one do you want to.

[Melissa Ford]

Is he going to the Washi Wash? Which one are you going to?

[Ish]

What's the Washy Wash?

[Joe Budden]

Watch. I see where this is going.

[Melissa Ford]

The one. The one with. From the movie Rush Hour. Which one, sir? Which one, sir? I take. Huh huh? And give me a little bit of. That's the washy wash. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Ravens Kick Me now said that Ravens kicker Justin Tucker engaged in inappropriate behavior at four high end spas and wellness centers in the Baltimore region.

[Malcolm]

Oh, you can't do it.

[Ish]

Mistake number one, right?

[Joe Budden]

You got to go to a court.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, my God.

[Parks]

Holy.

[Malcolm]

I don't even know what that means, but it didn't sound right.

[Joe Budden]

According to six massage therapists, including exposing his genitals, brushing two of them with his exposed penis, and leaving what they believed to be ejaculation on a massage table. After three of his treatments, several therapists said Tucker's behavior was so egregious that they ended his sessions early or refused to work on him again. And at two spas, management said they banned him from returning. That number has grown since that was published.

[Malcolm]

He's getting Deshaun.

[Joe Budden]

Ladies and gentlemen, distinguished panel, what do you guys think?

[Melissa Ford]

I think that he went, you know, you can't do it at the high end. Hey, check it out. No Mei Ling. Whong. All them, they wouldn't have any problem doing that, honestly.

[Ish]

Or Esmeralda and Maria.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they wouldn't have any problems. No, we got. No, no. We gotta acknowledge. Because we make fun of, but we gotta acknowledge the women that put the extra work in to leave you satisfied. They ask you, bro.

[Ish]

They want to have you in the world for DEI hire.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

You guys are out of pocket.

[Melissa Ford]

On top of that, though. Listen, they do the problem.

[Joe Budden]

My problem.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, listen, Parks, my problem with them is they think that they don't got to use the lube.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Melissa Ford]

They gotta. Come on. They try to do the dry hand, yo, because, girl, you've been massaging too much.

[Ish]

Get them. No, they don't.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, wait.

[Melissa Ford]

Which one of them tried to do the dry hair?

[Joe Budden]

Let's try this one.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

You like it dry.

[Joe Budden]

Antoine and Flip.

[Ish]

Something's wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Flip and Antoine, let's try this. Can I stand up and do it next time?

[Ish]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

That gave me a headache. I tried to get it on Thanksgiving.

[Ish]

I told you.

[Parks]

You officially lost control. Okay, I'm just saying.

[Melissa Ford]

I got kicked out the crib today.

[Joe Budden]

Antoine and Queen's flip. The next time I say distinguished panel, what do you guys think? Let Mel go. Got it. Like, let her get your.

[Melissa Ford]

You got a joke right there, sir.

[Joe Budden]

I see it in your eye. You got a joke.

[Melissa Ford]

Just let it out.

[Joe Budden]

I can't joke about you.

[Ish]

That's how I got sick.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Look.

[Ish]

Fucking with my vitamin B. Wait, hold up. Y'all using the same dropper in your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y'all taking this light skin too far. My.

[Ish]

Imani is taking the vitamin B12 dropper, and he put it back in his mouth. And I saw Ish take that same dropper last week and put it in his mouth. It's Ish's dropper. Pause.

[Joe Budden]

It was in your mouth. Yeah, but the germs fly like. Like mosquitoes. Y'all brothers for real, like was the word, y'all.

[Ish]

I got it. Now he gonna rinse it off. You already doing the nat rinse, too.

[Melissa Ford]

What's your thoughts?

[Joe Budden]

All right, Mel. Mel.

[Ish]

Yeah, please, Mel.

[Parks]

Yes, please.

[Joe Budden]

What do you think about this, Mel? And then we'll be immature.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Malcolm]

I think.

[Parks]

I don't want to be immature with. You know, I want to. I don't want to be immature.

[Joe Budden]

No, you should not be immature.

[Malcolm]

Someone's got to be immature.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you want to be.

[Malcolm]

I'm sorry.

[Parks]

Kind of.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

All right, go ahead then.

[Joe Budden]

Well, set it off. Well, set it off then. Have undistinguished pants.

[Parks]

This just makes me wonder how. How often this happens. How regular is this an occurrence? Like, has anybody in this room ever done that?

[Malcolm]

I never have.

[Ish]

I never have done what like into a rubbing tug?

[Parks]

Well, these are not rubbing tugs.

[Ish]

You ain't right.

[Parks]

These are. These are not rubbing tugs because these are high end they rubbing into.

[Joe Budden]

And that's what I want to tell all med spots. Massage parlor is not a rubbing tug.

[Ish]

No, they do it in.

[Joe Budden]

They do it.

[Ish]

They do it in the high end one.

[Joe Budden]

There are rubbing tugs that are massage parlors.

[Parks]

Can we play up the conversation as that go?

[Joe Budden]

All massage parlors are not rubbing T. And that's what some of these guys.

[Ish]

That's what they up at.

[Joe Budden]

That's where they having the problem. They thinking that they thinking bread.

[Ish]

They can make it.

[Joe Budden]

They can make it a rubbing to.

[Ish]

Yeah, what's called king king King weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Wild king, Wild king night.

[Ish]

That nigga just won some games at the last second. Go ahead and play with my man.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

They must not be Ravens fans.

[Joe Budden]

That is wild.

[Melissa Ford]

Go wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Wrong sport.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, yo, bring your friend. She in other room.

[Joe Budden]

Bring her.

[Melissa Ford]

What the fuck is you talking about?

[Ish]

Trying to get three points.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck you talking.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, he leave it on the table.

[Ish]

What you talking.

[Joe Budden]

I want to acknowledge the victims in this story.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no, we ain't. Come on, you're making it serious. Come on, you making this now.

[Parks]

You're making it serious.

[Ish]

You doing some bullshit.

[Parks]

Making it serious now.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I take it back.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. The victims.

[Joe Budden]

No, I take it Back, yo, your.

[Ish]

Meat brush up against somebody a little bit. Me? No harm, no foul.

[Melissa Ford]

The high end ones be having the fire joints, too. They Egyptian, Russian. You gotta get your on, girl. Where you girl, where you from? I didn't see the likes of you before.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta try the likes of you.

[Ish]

Yo, I'm Svetla. I'm from Croatia.

[Melissa Ford]

Holy, they look good. I saw something with these two today. The seat models in the magazine. You know you really hurt.

[Malcolm]

Don't ever say distinguished panel again.

[Melissa Ford]

The high end ones. I don't know where those Russians. I don't know where they find them at. Blue eyes, some ill soft ass skin. Yeah, he just had to try his. He didn't want to go.

[Ish]

Shot his head, yo. He shot his. You know what I mean?

[Parks]

But it's multiple places.

[Malcolm]

He said he left it on the table, met out.

[Joe Budden]

My thing is this.

[Malcolm]

If you was humping on the table.

[Ish]

No, it don't. That Pre came out when he was laying on his stomach.

[Joe Budden]

White dudes be pre coming to line.

[Ish]

How you.

[Joe Budden]

How you know I don't.

[Ish]

You. You got it, bro.

[Joe Budden]

This is my problem with him. Deshawn Watson was the quarterback.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

The most important position in the game.

[Malcolm]

Special teamer.

[Joe Budden]

Doesn't and try it. And it didn't go well. What make your kicker ass think that you could try it out there?

[Ish]

Hold on now. That ain't just no kicker. Yeah, what are you talking about? That's number one all time. My. If anybody, if any kicker gonna try it, it should be him.

[Parks]

Yeah, but the kicker's not really a glory position.

[Joe Budden]

He's a legend in.

[Ish]

In the city where he plays.

[Parks]

Maybe to y'all. No, no to the average. To the woman. Women working in these med spots. She don't know who the he is.

[Malcolm]

That's probably true.

[Ish]

That is true.

[Parks]

She might know who the quarterback.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if that's true in Baltimore. Not in Baltimore, where we've won a.

[Ish]

Super bowl and you are the legend.

[Parks]

Spetlana knows and follows football and gives a.

[Joe Budden]

That was racist. But wait, let me tell you this, okay?

[Parks]

Me, whoever, I'm just using all the names.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of times when the girl. I'm not gender worn. A lot of times when the girl don't know who the guy is, everyone else's reception of him lets her know who he is.

[Ish]

Yeah, not just that. They all got cameras. That nigga's getting out of a Cullinan. They went like, walking in there with a nice watch on. He probably in shape. We playing the Kickers out like these niggas is still professional athletes. That nigga's walking in there with some semblance of money and success.

[Joe Budden]

Success and status. Yeah.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying? So with you combine those two things, they don't give a. If he a stock broker or if he sells gag.

[Joe Budden]

They gonna say, I'm cabin. I still don't think that you should be able to go to the massage parlor and pull your dick out and have your way.

[Ish]

I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you.

[Malcolm]

You gotta find a place that does that.

[Ish]

I totally agree with you.

[Parks]

How does that conversation go?

[Joe Budden]

Which.

[Parks]

How do you establish that? How do you. You make for certain you are in that establishment where rub and tugs are a thing.

[Ish]

They do it for.

[Joe Budden]

They do it.

[Parks]

Okay, please help me.

[Ish]

How do they.

[Joe Budden]

How do they.

[Parks]

I'm a girl. I want to live vicariously through you guys for a second. Tell me how that conversation.

[Joe Budden]

We have extra services available in the back.

[Ish]

Turn. No, turn over, Priest.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we. We have extra services available if you like.

[Parks]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

We have a whole hidden. Speak easy back there.

[Ish]

That.

[Joe Budden]

Behind that curtain. You want. If you want to pay, then you go back there and you get a.

[Melissa Ford]

D. Pay to pay to play.

[Parks]

I just. I just wanted to know how. What it sounds like.

[Joe Budden]

And you'll know, cuz ain't nobody in the front.

[Ish]

This is giving away all the tip, Joe.

[Melissa Ford]

You exposing the chill. That look like there used to be.

[Joe Budden]

One right across the street from one of my exes. I used to fight with her and be like, you know what, bitch, get a massage.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they step on your back and all that.

[Joe Budden]

It was. You know where it is. You know where it is, too. You and Ray.

[Ish]

Oh, yo, everybody, that was it.

[Malcolm]

My man Ra, he's riding like crazy, though.

[Joe Budden]

No Ra guy engaged now, so chill. I'm talking about Ray.

[Ish]

Stop.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop doing that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, when you get engaged, do you. Is that one of the things? You know? You get engaged, you're supposed to share everything and let her know you, like, do you let your fiance know that that was your bag at one point?

[Malcolm]

I would absolutely tell her.

[Ish]

My girl. I would know. Before that, I would. My girl before that, what? She asked you when I first.

[Joe Budden]

Have you ever done a rub and tub?

[Ish]

No, when I first started talking to my girl, like, we was real, real new. And I was like, yo, I went and got a massage in the edge, and she was like. And I said, yeah, they did a little handy. And I said, yes, let's go she.

[Joe Budden]

Sound like she was knowledgeable enough to ask that to you?

[Ish]

Yo, dog, anybody that's grown living around here knows those things are possible.

[Joe Budden]

Well, because when you say massage on the edge.

[Ish]

Edge in the.

[Joe Budden]

Edge in the. We know. We know what that means, so. I've never done that.

[Malcolm]

Me either.

[Ish]

You are.

[Malcolm]

I never got a rubber toe.

[Joe Budden]

I've never done it.

[Ish]

Me neither.

[Joe Budden]

I've never done it in a rubber toe. I've never done that.

[Melissa Ford]

Never doing it. Where's the water gun when you need it?

[Joe Budden]

They here somewhere. Yo, I've never done that in the rubbing tug. I've never done that.

[Ish]

You took her out afterwards.

[Joe Budden]

Took who out?

[Ish]

You know, you gotta watch him. He's semantic, man. I never did it in the rubbing tug. At the rubbing tug. We went up the street and I dropped her back off after she finished rubbing and tugging.

[Joe Budden]

Never did that there. I tried one time to walk in a rubbing tug. It was in Englewood. And my man in the nail salon or at the sandwich spot said, yo, couple doors up, they getting money. Everybody over. And I walked. Well, I thought I was walking in there. I walked in the totally wrong place. I walked in the totally wrong spot. Hey. They looked at me like I was crazy. I was famous and embarrassed, so I never did it again.

[Ish]

Look, I might get you that.

[Joe Budden]

I never did that again.

[Ish]

I might give you that. I ain't be lying, though. But I still.

[Joe Budden]

On everything I love. I've never gotten that in a rub and tug. Not that I wouldn't. I'm not saying I'm better than that.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying I just was always. Always too scared and paranoid to be in the wrong place or to get arrested. Some of the spots I was going to, they booked them all up and down here.

[Ish]

Book them, Daniel.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

That's the reason why I never with it.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I just.

[Ish]

I. I don't know for sure. Yeah, how do you know for sure for sure? Like, I had a massage and she was mad close. I'm like, is she trying to. Where you was at?

[Joe Budden]

See, now that's what I hope for. I was like, I hope she just get close.

[Ish]

She was getting close to that. I was in Bay.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, what type? What was the setting? Was it koi fish and music?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Table showers. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey.

[Ish]

So I'm like. I'm sitting there like, all right, I ain't gonna say nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze.

[Ish]

What you think the table shower is, nigga? I don't fucking know. It's the preview. It's the commercial.

[Joe Budden]

But it's a table shower.

[Ish]

It wasn't no conversation. And she ain't. Well, you come in, you ask for a table shower, huh? They lay you on the table and they wash you up. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

I was a little dirty.

[Parks]

In any of these establishments. Have you guys ever like. Is there like milking tables up there too?

[Ish]

Who you always got to go to some white. What is a milking table?

[Malcolm]

Yo, that's where I've seen the milking table. Got a couple people in the room.

[Ish]

How you milk a cow?

[Joe Budden]

Please explain it.

[Malcolm]

They cut a hole.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, and they go under.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you've lived a life.

[Ish]

You be sitting up here.

[Joe Budden]

You have lived a life.

[Ish]

Mel, milking piece. That's a wild king. That's some white.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Mel was under the table.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going to go under the table.

[Joe Budden]

While you lay there.

[Ish]

Yo, in our hood, the milk go up.

[Joe Budden]

The milk don't go down. Not down.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that shoot in the sky.

[Joe Budden]

That's some other be with.

[Melissa Ford]

In the river with the sky. That. That shoot up.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I want to interrupt the broadcast to remind the audience that all of us up here think this is wrong.

[Ish]

Of course.

[Malcolm]

Anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, any back to the jokes.

[Melissa Ford]

Massage be good too, though.

[Ish]

You just gotta go. You gotta find a spot. You can't just go in the regular spot and force that on somebody.

[Joe Budden]

If Justin Tucker don't call Robert Kraft and see where the spots are.

[Ish]

Dog, he's in. What are you talking about? He's in Baltimore.

[Joe Budden]

Clearly that don't work.

[Ish]

It ain't hard for him to find one.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga Deshaun was in Houston. Houston.

[Ish]

And it wasn't hard for him to find one either.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you'd be thinking that he.

[Malcolm]

Got the wrong ones.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you thinking that you in the town that's lit with it and then the town learn you and then you in Cleveland looking stupid.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think desean's situation is different than Robert.

[Parks]

It is?

[Ish]

Well, very much.

[Parks]

Yeah, because he had this coming to his house.

[Ish]

I'll tell you later.

[Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

It's different.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

Because my. In my opinion, I don't want to come off insensitive if that happens. I'm not repeat visiting you.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a play.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Jerk me off.

[Ish]

Come on, towel up. Stop playing.

[Joe Budden]

You being in mad frustrated. Like, yo, if I wanted a massage, my girl could do that. Like, come on notice part of it.

[Ish]

It's a full body.

[Melissa Ford]

They do the ill son.

[Joe Budden]

I get excited when the massage masseuse Turn me over and hit the nips a little bit.

[Ish]

No, y.

[Joe Budden]

What you say? Turn over, please.

[Ish]

Wait, what? Turn over. Priest.

[Joe Budden]

He don't go to that one.

[Melissa Ford]

He gonna love a. He go to the fancy at the.

[Ish]

Very end, they start hitting you with the.

[Joe Budden]

On your legs. She hit your little man should be to the left. And my face. And my face be in a little massage hole two more times, you gonna be. She put the little elixir under there so you can smell it. Inhale some. Oh, my God, please jerk it.

[Ish]

Yo, that's jasmine and frankincense.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Something wrong with you.

[Joe Budden]

I promise you I'm down with that.

[Ish]

You not gonna hit me with the spearmint. You said I lowkey wanted to ask her, nigga, like. Nah, she was mad close you started playing.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'all think he has a job job next season?

[Ish]

A thousand percent. Hell yes. The Cowboys take him. He got a job in Baltimore next season.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry, I meant a job with the Raiders. Yes.

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

We won't take him. We got. We got thousand dollar.

[Joe Budden]

So he's gonna work.

[Ish]

Yes. There. Joe. He makes $1.2 million a year.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, excuse me.

[Ish]

That's all he makes.

[Malcolm]

Kicker's so big much.

[Ish]

Woody, he's him.

[Joe Budden]

Justin Tucker makes 1.6 million.

[Ish]

He had a base.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't.

[Ish]

Yo, hey, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, big doe. You don't make enough to get this off.

[Ish]

You crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You don't make enough to get this off. No, he does not. No, he does not make enough to get this off.

[Ish]

Four year deal for $17.5 million in 2022.

[Joe Budden]

So then he don't make a million a year.

[Ish]

That's. That was this year's. No. You know, sometimes they'll back. Backload the contract or front load the contract. Hey, four years, 17 mil. He makes enough to get jerked off.

[Joe Budden]

Not in the last year.

[Melissa Ford]

He still got more.

[Ish]

He got one more year. You saying the person that makes that one point whatever.

[Joe Budden]

You make $1.8 million dollars. You cannot walk in a massage parlor. That is not a rubbing tug. And have it your way like Burger King. No, you can't. You are crazy.

[Ish]

You got.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree with y'all.

[Ish]

You got America up. Yo, you too rich. Are you starting to piss me off?

[Melissa Ford]

Hell, you starting to piss me off.

[Ish]

You know what that million dollars is like to them?

[Joe Budden]

I don't think you could get that off with a million dollars.

[Ish]

What?

[Malcolm]

You can. I said. Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

[Ish]

Are you crazy?

[Malcolm]

You could do it. 500, 600,000.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm walking in there like this.

[Joe Budden]

What's your problem? Let me reword it. Yes, you can. I don't think you should.

[Ish]

I don't think you should. At no amount of money.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up. When Robert Kraft went and handled his. We didn't say a word.

[Ish]

They didn't know he was Robert Kraft. They thought he was an old white man.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done with you. I don't believe that at all. You knew Robert Kraft. I got nine Super Bowls. Seven. Whatever the I got. You know, Robert Craft. His suit and his hair look like. You ain't got to know him.

[Ish]

That look like money.

[Joe Budden]

He looks. Look like.

[Ish]

No, he got a billion on his shirt.

[Joe Budden]

Justin Tucker walking in there with a Nike tech suit on still and some. No, you just can't get that off.

[Ish]

Joe. Four years, $17.5 million.

[Joe Budden]

Don't beat me down with.

[Ish]

That's not what he.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he's just saying the.

[Ish]

That make one point whatever in a year.

[Joe Budden]

You cannot do that.

[Ish]

You can't do it.

[Joe Budden]

They gonna get you. I disagree with him. I'm saying they're gonna get you.

[Ish]

Oh, they're not gonna look the other way.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's what I'm saying, yo. Yes, you can do that. I'm saying that ain't enough.

[Ish]

That ain't enough. Doggy, doggy. He signed the extension already for 25 to 27. Guess how much that was. 13.5. So when you add them up, he's made $31 million in the last six years. That could walk in there with a dirty T shirt on with some poom poom shorts on and get jerked off. You out your mind.

[Parks]

That's a hell of a visual.

[Ish]

Without.

[Joe Budden]

You're saying without ramification.

[Ish]

No, I'm not saying that.

[Parks]

That's what he's saying.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he's talking about.

[Ish]

I don't think it's no amount of money that you could do that was in the rubbing.

[Joe Budden]

T didn't have a problem at all.

[Ish]

Okay. In the rubbing tug. You're not going to have that problem at all. That's where Robert Kraft was. He was in the rubbing tug that was under investigation. Right here is in the high end Medis Spa joint. You in the wrong spot. No matter how much you make you.

[Joe Budden]

In the wrong spot, if you're not Robert Craft.

[Ish]

You think Robert Kraft could go in a higher many spots and get it off?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, that's what you saying.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Robert Craft could go in the massage spot. Hey, the resort. The resort spa order One. Hey, just need a spa. Any spot.

[Ish]

Hills. Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

If Robert Craft come in here, I'mma take that in that little bathroom, give a little massage. Craft, a little something something little.

[Ish]

Give him a thumb hand.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting equity in Craft.

[Ish]

You got cheesy.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, that's. That's our problem. Y'all don't know when to turn gay.

[Ish]

You right.

[Joe Budden]

Robert Kraft come in.

[Ish]

Hey, you right.

[Joe Budden]

Then they want to come get on my yacht. Nope, nope. Take your straight ass to your Chevrolet.

[Ish]

They showed.

[Joe Budden]

They showed. They showed the Jacksonville Jaguars owner just pulling up to the super bowl early on like a Tuesday. You seen it? You see all of this? I'll be saying, that yacht that he pulled up in, you don't have to know who he is.

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

That was 700ft long. Came with a submersa. That shit had a club, a disco, helicopter, landing pad, swimming pool, six decks. I think that shit cost like. What did they say that shit cost? Something like 300 million. Sheesh.

[Ish]

It's worth 360, dog.

[Joe Budden]

The yacht, if I have one of those, I can call the regular spot.

[Ish]

Yo, that shit got three pools, a spa, a gym, a basketball court.

[Malcolm]

Oh, he got the spies there already. He's got.

[Joe Budden]

Look, and the workers, they quit.

[Ish]

Yeah, look, a pickleball court and a helipad on the yacht.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling y'all that if I have one of those, I'm calling AMEX to set up my rubbing tub.

[Ish]

Look, this the funny part. That's one of his yachts. He got three of them.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Ish]

He got 197 foot footer. He got a 315. And he got the 400 foot. The 400 foot is named the Kissmid. Kiss it.

[Joe Budden]

That's where it's at.

[Ish]

Kiss it.

[Joe Budden]

Kiss it.

[Ish]

Yeah, kiss it.

[Malcolm]

Don't just rub it.

[Ish]

Yeah, don't just rub. You gotta kiss this thing. A helipad on it. Bro, you cheating, bro. That's cheat code.

[Joe Budden]

They said he's. It costs 40 million a year on just operations, maintenance.

[Ish]

That's where the money really be at. It don't be in the boat. And the price of the boat, it being what it cost to maintain the boat, dock it. Like them docks up here, them shits ain't cheap. I know that. Sold they boots because the. The maintenance was so much.

[Joe Budden]

It also ain't none of them boats over here.

[Ish]

No, no, no. But again, for those, they cost.

[Joe Budden]

Remember my old. Oh, I don't know if we was talking to him. My little old used to have to Connect with one of these on the yacht. They bringing me over there now. I got a kiki with this dude. I was doing it.

[Ish]

She might have kiki with him too.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't no mighty about it. There's some instances where it's cool for your. Your work to bring you around her old work, and that's one of them. Hey, we going to the yacht over here at around 11pm Just come. All right. Bet I show up, not say word. I even took his card. I didn't get the same reaction when I text him. Joking. Remember French? French had this hood in a frenzy, pulling up the L Marina on a yacht with Khloe Kardashian.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It don't say.

[Joe Budden]

French was one that.

[Ish]

That did it right with that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do it, cuz you going to judge me and call me all types of liars and don't do that. That. You bu.

[Ish]

You wouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying I wouldn't. Okay? I probably wouldn't. I probably wouldn't. That's. That's like how I feel when I see these jet skiing out here.

[Ish]

No, that's not the.

[Joe Budden]

I know it's not the same. I said that's how I feel. Okay? L. Marina. You could have drove and caused the same madness hopping out with cl.

[Ish]

No, you can't.

[Joe Budden]

Not that.

[Ish]

Not that madness.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Ish]

That hat.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't a real beach, you know.

[Ish]

I know, I know. Which makes it even flyer.

[Joe Budden]

I was hating.

[Ish]

See?

[Joe Budden]

All right, I'll take it.

[Ish]

How many other niggas pulled up with Khloe Kardashian on the yacht? I know some niggas that pulled up with boats and they ain't had no Khloe and they ain't had no yacht. Little 47 footer. How many years ago was that?

[Joe Budden]

A lot.

[Ish]

10.

[Joe Budden]

They still remember it. He convinced me. I don't think I would do it, but I'm not mad at. At French doing it. Y'all seen French on the COVID whatever magazine it was looking like his face was fucking aied on. He did like some bodybuilding mag. It wasn't a bodybuilding mag. It was one of them opulence mags. But he was shirtless. It might have been gq. And he had his fucking face on.

[Ish]

The Paris Fashion Week two weeks ago, just sitting down, looking like money. I said, this Nigga French.

[Joe Budden]

For 15 years I've been trying to figure out where French money come from.

[Ish]

No bullshit. I ain't heard a hand, a Long time that getting money man. He be around them like right? Listen, let me tell you, it's spots. The spots where the people really have money. You know what I'm saying? Like it'd be spots where it's a little flashy. Some of these spots, my, they got money. Money.

[Joe Budden]

My problem wasn't even French back in the day. His brother running around like that.

[Ish]

Monaco and that. Saint Tropez, all that. That my, you can't front there.

[Joe Budden]

French brother. Never mind. Anyway, shout out to French indeed. For sure. And drop some music.

[Ish]

No, why?

[Joe Budden]

For what?

[Ish]

We already keep saying ain't no. Ain't no money in own a 10% oil company somewhere that make. I'm finished land man too.

[Joe Budden]

No, you're absolutely right.

[Ish]

I finished Landman.

[Joe Budden]

Good. You liked it?

[Ish]

Of course I liked it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you wasn't.

[Ish]

Yeah, I had to get past it. I forced myself to get past pass. So what's your thoughts now?

[Joe Budden]

I figured that Landman was right up, right up his alley. He threw me off with that. He was talking about.

[Ish]

No, it is lamb. It's that money. You know them be making them deals.

[Joe Budden]

Deals.

[Ish]

Andy Garcia done jumped on board. We about to see what happens. Season two gonna be informational.

[Joe Budden]

Season two gonna be great. They announced Squid Game for June. Yeah, the end of June. The rest of Squid Game. Don't do that because you're gonna watch it. I did.

[Ish]

Didn't finish this one. I ain't see it either. I started the first episode, got halfway through, I was like, I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

But four episodes, right?

[Melissa Ford]

No, it was pretty good.

[Joe Budden]

It was pretty good. I'm whole. I'm saving that parrot. Paradise. Don't tell me nothing about it.

[Ish]

Paradise.

[Malcolm]

What's paradise on Hulu?

[Ish]

Everybody telling me paradise is crazy. No, it's Hulu. Yeah, I just watched episode one again last night.

[Joe Budden]

Don't tell me nothing about it. Yeah.

[Ish]

Now two is out. Oh, they only on two.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Brand new show. Oh, so one was that fire for 50 to tell me about. Yes, one was fire.

[Malcolm]

Huh?

[Joe Budden]

Sterling. Sterling.

[Parks]

Sterling K. Brown and James Marsden.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't see this as us.

[Parks]

Oh, oh, he played. He played. What was his in People vs. O.J. simpson. He played yes.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, he did.

[Melissa Ford]

What's his name?

[Joe Budden]

The black attorney with Marcia Clark. Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, I know you're talking about not Johnny Cochrane.

[Parks]

That's the other.

[Joe Budden]

No, not Johnny Cochrane.

[Ish]

Darden.

[Joe Budden]

He played.

[Parks]

Yes. Christopher Dard.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yes.

[Ish]

You've seen this thing before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Played in everything black.

[Joe Budden]

Sterling K. Brown is the guy that Was on Jennifer Lopez for their whole press run. I think they did a movie or some together. And they kept doing press runs. And he kept shitting on her for not being Spanish because she kept trying to pander. Yeah. You know, in the Bronx. And he'd be sitting there like, yeah, in the Bronx. Oh, hey, look it up if you didn't see it. Because it's some of the funniest. I definitely want to see funniest stuff in the world. In the Bronx.

[Ish]

In the Bronx.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God, that puffed. Forget it. Yo, dog, Shorty from the club was like, no, I'm. He did it. He. I got the bullets in my face.

[Malcolm]

I watched him.

[Joe Budden]

They had two guns. I'd seen him. Him. Yeah, it was him that. That did it. But anyway.

[Ish]

And the driver, when he started talking, I was like, I'm not taking. He asked me for.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, the driver gave it up.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I look back then. He had a gun that he.

[Ish]

Roll the window down.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Then he gonna ask me, yo, I give you 50,000, but hold his ring.

[Joe Budden]

That was his number. I keep saying that. That 50,000 number. The. The city college payouts, they went through all of that. Yes. Yeah, yeah. They went through the timeline from young to now.

[Ish]

So with that being said, and you just keep saying no disrespect to Puff, but you just keep getting away with shit. You just keep getting away with. It creates a monster. It creates a thing where now you just more and more and more and more money. So now I gotta give you 50. I can give you 500 at the drop of a hat. You create this entity where I'm untouchable in anything that I do. I either got enough connections that I could get out of it, or I could pay my way out of it.

[Parks]

They basically say that.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? Like, all of these niggas with power, it ain't just Puff is just mad that get to a certain level of success. That's what they used to. Donald Trump is used to that.

[Joe Budden]

They brought up his speech again from the lifetime achievement awards that he won with the nasty one where he was like. And shout out to Cassie for the dark times. It's like, yeah, that's crazy, dog. You are nuts.

[Ish]

It just show what type of monster you deal with, bro. Some, I'mma take this moment to remind you, I'm him. I'm. Yeah, I'm him.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, yes. Because that also is a form of abuse. I recognize that.

[Ish]

But it's a different level of arrogance, bro. Like, but it just Said to me. And you might be disconnected.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, it said to me how long he may have known about what was to come behind the scenes.

[Parks]

No, they said that that comment was what made her say. All right. Right this. And that was why she started the.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if I believe.

[Parks]

But they said that she's sitting at home with her two. Two children and he's still trying to, like, you know, bait her.

[Ish]

No, he was antagonizing. That was too odd, though, on Instagram and all that, I heard.

[Parks]

What's that?

[Ish]

Yeah, when she got married, he put the post up all. All of that type of shit. I heard he was liking her pictures and all. If. Well, I believe it. Well, you know, there's people that believe the other side. If this is my abuser here and you just keep throwing reminders out there to I done moved on. I don't went over here and here. You just gotta pop up and just keep reminding me. Yeah, dog, I'm gonna. All right, you know what?

[Joe Budden]

Let's. Let's do something about this. Yeah, give my 30 million.

[Ish]

Let's do something.

[Joe Budden]

Get my. That was.

[Ish]

That was then. I think that was the settlement.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna marry my bro trainer, man. This.

[Ish]

Oh, no, he don't do. He no broke. He ain't broke.

[Joe Budden]

They ain't broke no more.

[Ish]

No, no, no, bro. No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Blue Wolverine looking like.

[Ish]

I heard he's a dope, too. I heard his fly. His man's total. You was there when the person told me so stop.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. What the hell?

[Malcolm]

How did he do that?

[Joe Budden]

How did he do that? How did he even do that just now? I was there. I don't want to be there.

[Ish]

No, they. They. I don't want to call a broke on national tv. The. They said the wasn't necessarily broke.

[Joe Budden]

I take it back.

[Ish]

There you go, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just trying to have fun.

[Melissa Ford]

Me, too.

[Joe Budden]

Me too. You was dealing with it. You remember everything. I forgot.

[Ish]

How convenient.

[Joe Budden]

Once a thought telling me about how good of a guy somebody is, I tune it out. That's a. I ain't listening to this. Thoughts and prayers.

[Malcolm]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers. Also, Terry Roger of the Miami Heat, formerly of the Charlotte, whatever their names, is the Bobcats. Oh, they back to the Hornets. Yeah.

[Ish]

And the Celtics.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But the game. The game that they're highlighting is a Hornets game. It's a Hornets game that he's supposedly threw. Terry Rozier is under investigation for his alleged involvement in the gambling ring that is tied to John Tay Porter, who they already got ratting.

[Ish]

Y. Ratting?

[Joe Budden]

Well, no. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe. But they said this was a little suspicious. Let me find my notes. Because around the game in question, there was a young lady tweeting in a now deleted tweet, of course, saying, hey, I'm betting the under on. Oh, I'm with. They was killing the girl for fucking with Terry Rozier. And she said something to the effect of, yeah, I'm with him betting the under, though. So. What you talking about? And then that was the game where. Let me find the game. Let me find the game. Because it was shady. Okay, let's see y'all talk. Yeah.

[Ish]

Cause that's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

With just. Just that part. How'd you said, I'm betting under.

[Malcolm]

It's shady.

[Joe Budden]

If the game in question was March 23, 2023, he was a Hornet. He only played 9 minutes and 34 seconds. He finished with 5 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists before leaving with a foot injury. He didn't play the last eight games of the season as a result, either. And Rozier is not charged with a crime or accused of wrongdoing at this moment. But federal prosecutors are investigating whether Terry Rozier manipulated his performance in 2023 as part of an illegal sports betting scheme.

[Ish]

That is nowhere near enough for me. Yeah, that's nothing. Especially because he didn't play no more after that. The might have really been hurt. That's one. And number two, that was kicking up. If you only played nine minutes, you had five points, four rebounds, and two assists. You was getting busy.

[Joe Budden]

If you make up an injury and check yourself out of the game, and now everybody that bet under Ontari Rogier hit, then you're investigating.

[Ish]

I'm not disagreeing, but you ain't have to do what you did in that nine minutes, Joe. That's hard to do. Listen, five points. What was the line? Four rebounds and two assists is hard to do in nine minutes, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Six or nine.

[Ish]

It's hard to do in nine minutes. That's very hard to do. That's not easy to do.

[Joe Budden]

It's. Nobody here is debating whether Terry Rogier is nice or not. He's nice, but I could have played lackadaisical.

[Ish]

I ain't have to. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

You left the game, which is the.

[Ish]

Same trick, and I come back no more this season.

[Joe Budden]

That's the same trick. Yeah, but that's the same trick that Johnte Porter was pulling with. Hey, I'm injured. I need to not play Anymore. All right.

[Ish]

His prop bets that night was around 21 1/2 points, 6 assists and 4.

[Joe Budden]

Rebounds in the event that you fake an injury and get out the game. And now the whole country has hit on you. We're investigating you. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Terry Rogier is nice. He been in the slump recently, but I'm not disappointed. Actually, he's been the worst slump. All like.

[Ish]

Like if it was going up and down, up and down, I would say yeah, but that just one game, that's not proven enough for me. I'm not saying he didn't do what they occlusion are accusing him of doing. What I'm saying you don't think that's.

[Joe Budden]

Enough to be investigated?

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you crazy.

[Ish]

Okay, so wait, there's more.

[Joe Budden]

So get him. Freeze. And this.

[Ish]

This tweet is still up. Somebody posted the whole and everything and he had him for under six and a half. A six this. And his tweet says at least I was in on it today. Got lucky that I was fed some inside info that Rosier was leaving in the first or second quarter depending on the game flow in live lines so that his unders would hit. And he posted. He posted his. That's different. That's totally. That's totally different. Yeah, that's. And he's saying I got inside info that he's leaving early on the same day of the game. That's some other. That's different. That's other.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's what I thought I was saying to y'all.

[Ish]

No, that's what. That's not. That was that different.

[Joe Budden]

That's. Yeah. If you're part of a gambling ring and you fake your own injury to leave the game so people can hit under.

[Ish]

Yeah. A.

[Joe Budden]

All I didn't say was people tweeting.

[Ish]

That proves that niggas knew he was going to do that.

[Joe Budden]

So look got it even more.

[Ish]

A couple of the sports books pulled the Rosier lines report against game. So the people that got it in early got it in. He was still going to play and I guess they got win too of what was going on so they took him down. You can't bet him. Oh, damn.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

These talk too much.

[Joe Budden]

I with Terry Rosier.

[Ish]

He tough.

[Joe Budden]

I do. He can play. He can play. Yeah. I cannot believe. Let me not say that.

[Ish]

I can't either.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true. I can believe it.

[Ish]

I can't believe it.

[Joe Budden]

I can't believe that. Players. Players. Terry Rogier is a little different from John Porter, he got his bag. Yeah. Terry Rogier is the dude that was making 350k and I gotta make ends meet. Yes, he got paid.

[Ish]

You are correct, man. What you. I could. You could. We've seen where some one of your peoples is into it with somebody and you gotta make right for them. That's possible. We've seen there's ways where it could come back to. I gotta play. I'll pay you out of my pocket, bro. That signed a 96 million dollar deal. You in it with Joe. How much he owe you?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't understand here. I don't.

[Ish]

I'm not throwing no game and risking my career of a hundred million dollars over some money. If Joe owe you $3 million and you gonna him up, huh? I'm gonna take. I'm gonna write you 3.5. We good? 3.5. I'm give you extra 5,000 for your. For your inconvenience here. You owe me $3 million. But I'm not throwing my 100 million. And he's still young. He could. He about to get another re up was.

[Malcolm]

But he's still.

[Joe Budden]

You playing around. Adam Silver, one of the best attorneys on the planet.

[Ish]

Like, yo, dog, y'all keep thinking.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all keep thinking. Adam Silver, just the commissioner.

[Ish]

I think a lot of these athletes know what's going on and they play the game. That's possible. Be honest with you.

[Malcolm]

I wouldn't be. Well, I'm a chill.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Leave it alone, all right? I'm calling all of them stupid.

[Malcolm]

It would be stupid.

[Joe Budden]

I'm calling each one of them stupid. Because John Porter ain't even. He ain't even cake off, really, from what's been reported. To risk it all like that or to put the heat on my brother who's just signed a big contract. This nigga is crazy.

[Ish]

This nigga has made $126 million.

[Joe Budden]

My nigga Roger.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm not playing with him.

[Ish]

And he's still in his. That's just to date.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Ish]

He's still got 50 million left on his contract. And then he gonna get another contract after that. It might not be 100 mil, but it might be. Cause the salaries is going up, dog.

[Joe Budden]

When niggas stop me in the street and be like, yo, y'all gonna talk about this in the pod tomorrow. I'd be like, chill, chill, chill. I mean, I can't give you the sauce. Cause I can't. I can't let you know. A little different, but kind of the same to me. I'm not telling nobody outside nothing about my gig. Yeah. Terry Rogier. Hold your head, dog.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hold your head. While we're on sports or Hornet business. Lamelo Ball, snub or not for the all star game.

[Ish]

Definitely thousand percent. Who? The guards.

[Joe Budden]

I couldn't disagree more. On the bench.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cade, keep going. I'll pull it up.

[Ish]

I'm about to look.

[Joe Budden]

I'll pull it up.

[Ish]

Cade don't get a guaranteed vote on over him.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he does.

[Ish]

Cade is tough though. No, Cade and he been killing.

[Joe Budden]

They both been killing and they've been winning.

[Ish]

Jalen Brunson and Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brown, Darius Garland, Cade Dame Lillard Tyler Hero are the guards. He got an argument, I'm not letting him in.

[Joe Budden]

He has an argument, he has an argument. But they won 11 games. You didn't impact winning. Your stats are great. I'll have to talk about Trey Young. Trey Young leading the league in assists.

[Ish]

Trey ain't there.

[Joe Budden]

Trey Young leading the league in assists and averaging 20 points. I think he's the first guard ever to average 20 points and more than 10 assists multiple seasons and not make all star either one. I have the conversation about Trey Young. Lamelo ball, you won 11 and 12 games.

[Ish]

So this is what happened. All right. So this is what, what happens? The fans pick the starters, right? Fans pick the starters.

[Joe Budden]

Not solely.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think so. Think.

[Joe Budden]

I think they changed that.

[Ish]

All right. But I know coaches and.

[Joe Budden]

And they did change it because Jaylen and Cat was 50% fans, 25% players and 25% coaches. So it's not just a fan vote anymore.

[Ish]

Okay? Oh, yeah. Fans accounted for 50%. Players in media account for 25% apiece. So before coaches, you don't say that. Players. But whatever. Okay, cool. Allegedly, people don't like Trey says attitude is shitty. So if your attitude is shitty, I could see how the media, the coaches and the players will vote you out of sitting on the bench. So if you don't automatically get to the starter roll, then your odds of getting a. A bench spot could be less than favorable. I understand that. Even though he's a monster, he a monster, but I could see that. And now he might not have got snubbed because for him to not make it, then somebody else would have been in his seat. Cade has been killing, right? Dame Lillard is Dame Lillard. Especially with the face. Cause I don't necessarily even know if Dame Lillard is having a way better season than Ball is having. My nigga Ball's had a couple 50 point games this year. He's killing.

[Joe Budden]

So he also missed a lot of time with injuries. And again, they got 12 wins.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't get snowed. He ain't get snowed. Is he deserving of a spot? Yes, but he ain't get snowed.

[Joe Budden]

All Star weekend is weird this year. San Fran.

[Ish]

Yes, the bae. Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say nothing. Me either.

[Ish]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Is terrible. So we got Grammy weekend, Super bowl weekend, and All Star weekend three weekends in a row. Yep.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

New Orleans and San Fran.

[Parks]

And La la.

[Joe Budden]

New Orleans, San Fran.

[Melissa Ford]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

All right, that's it, man, listen, I'm glad I'm a Jehovah's Witness. I'm safe. Me too. I ain't got time for for that hoot, Nanny boy. Let Zaire the young go have have fun, man.

[Ish]

It is going to be a lot of hooting.

[Joe Budden]

I can't.

[Melissa Ford]

She's a lie.

[Joe Budden]

The box mockery. And especially they just got Justin Tucker, man. I'm gonna go out there, get in my bag.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Might want to not bring the lube to the strip club for a moment too. Hey, when you got the what? Huh?

[Ish]

You take the lube to the strip club? You take the lube to the strip club?

[Joe Budden]

Not intentionally, but sometimes it's in my bag.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The lube just carry around in your bag?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, sometimes.

[Ish]

Just in case.

[Joe Budden]

Depending on where I'm coming from.

[Ish]

Where would you be coming from that the lube would just be in your bag?

[Joe Budden]

Like a trip, like out of town.

[Ish]

So you go home before you go. You don't unpack your bag.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes you forget to.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, you take it out in the side pocket.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like be going to the airport with the gun in the bag that they forgot to take out.

[Ish]

Same thing, different gun.

[Joe Budden]

Anytime I bring the lube with me by mistake. VIP be packed, man. Damn, these will knock it out of there. Got to go hit security. Hey, clear this off on the Big Dog. Too many back there. Hey, Big Dog, get that other room. Give him about 10 minutes. Clear it on it.

[Ish]

Hey, they time up.

[Joe Budden]

Let it rain. Clear it out. Let it rain.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's go. Let's go. Let's get it. Let's get it.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get it. In about 10 minutes, go over there and shine light on security. That flashlight? Yeah, this. Yo, yo, I'm joking, by the way. Please refer to the tag in the front. Please refer to the.

[Melissa Ford]

When's the next time you're going out, bro?

[Joe Budden]

In the front. Whenever. Whenever. My girl Thinks it'd be a good time.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, so she's up here?

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Ish]

Oh, whenever she says that, it's whatever.

[Joe Budden]

She think it would be an opportune time.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going to go out with you.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up. No, you're not.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going to starless again. You know I can't go without my boy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

If I go, I got to go on Thursday, though.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I got to go with my boy, man. My boy Joe.

[Joe Budden]

My Thursday. I don't know how many go out the day before a work day. Why Thursday for you? Because that's your day.

[Ish]

N. It's L Night. If I don't go on L night, she going to be tight. If I go on somebody else night.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to lie. L had some work in there last night.

[Malcolm]

I don't nor go out on work night. Like a lot.

[Melissa Ford]

I just spoke to work.

[Joe Budden]

I saw the pictures.

[Malcolm]

Huh?

[Ish]

I saw the pictures. Right on the ground floor was flooded.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I didn't send no pictures to L. And say, who was this? No, I did not.

[Ish]

Of course you did.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't do that. Yeah, that wouldn't be right. No.

[Ish]

No, you can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Trouble for marriage, man. There you go. I ain't got time for these skeezers.

[Ish]

Ain't nothing in the streets for trouble.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't nothing in the streets for trouble, dog. Ain't Nothing open after 2am but some legs. All the old phrases apply now. I ain't got time for these skeezers. Skeers.

[Ish]

Yeah, that is funny.

[Melissa Ford]

You got it in control.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. What else is important or unimportant? We had Terry Virgin. Oh. Asap. Asap. Asap. Homeboy took the stand?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Really? Yeah, really. Took the stand. Said, he shot me. He's trying to kill me. He tried to end me. What do we think? They tore him up on cross examination, though, did they? Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, see, I. See, I ain't read about the cross exam.

[Joe Budden]

No. This trial is a little bit fun. I'm reading this every day.

[Ish]

No, but I thought it. Because when I saw what I saw, he's like, yo, he's yelling, I'll kill you right now. All that other. I was like, oh, yeah, he, he.

[Joe Budden]

The cross is just paying him to be a liar. That.

[Ish]

Yeah. I was about to say he taking a Wildclef vacation, but if they did good in the cross examination, then maybe not.

[Melissa Ford]

Let me see if I can find who's the dummy.

[Joe Budden]

Find something for you, y'all. That's all.

[Ish]

That's All I keep saying is he should have just took the deal.

[Joe Budden]

I still think he should have took the deal. But I mean I'm just want like how long?

[Ish]

He had to say a year.

[Melissa Ford]

Six months. Six months, six months, six months.

[Ish]

Three years probation, seven years. Go check me in right now. Check me in. What? Yeah, he don't need no job. I don't care if I got a felony on my record. He said that it messes with his brand deals. My wife is worth two Bs. Yeah, but I don't want live off her.

[Joe Budden]

I can buy. Oh, and of course that's not his wife. I don't think it matters either.

[Malcolm]

But she's showing up to court, so.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she dictmatized. She.

[Ish]

My wife and I put two, I.

[Joe Budden]

Got two in a.

[Ish]

Hey, hey, hey. Give me. I want 65,000amonth.

[Joe Budden]

Hood reporters, court really coming out of court.

[Ish]

Hey, really?

[Joe Budden]

Some, some people call you a snitch. What you say about that? Snitch.

[Melissa Ford]

Any comment on that?

[Joe Budden]

Would you be a snitch if somebody shot at you?

[Melissa Ford]

Nah, I don't never snitch. I, I got a bullet in my leg right now.

[Joe Budden]

Ice gonna get you. Keep talking.

[Melissa Ford]

I snitch.

[Joe Budden]

Walmart, come here, my man. Go ahead and say Walmart.

[Ish]

Come here.

[Joe Budden]

I thought I had, I had, I had to cross examination. I'm trying to find it really quick. Snitch if somebody shot at you. Not that I think it matters. I'm glued to this trial. I am glued, man.

[Ish]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I hope ASAP don't see no jail time.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm not. My thing is it was another state. I would feel better.

[Malcolm]

You see yourself?

[Joe Budden]

No, but you're not explaining the question.

[Ish]

Here's my question.

[Joe Budden]

I see myself, but you're not explaining. So what I'm supposed to say?

[Malcolm]

Did you see yourself?

[Joe Budden]

This is the cross.

[Malcolm]

Did you hear yourself?

[Joe Budden]

I hurt myself.

[Malcolm]

Was that truthful? What's truthful?

[Joe Budden]

What you just said that I love him or like he was cool. I don't know what you mean. I said a lot of things. The part that you said, if I.

[Malcolm]

Said you, it was sort of wishy washy with love, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Malcolm]

It's true.

[Joe Budden]

True, true.

[Malcolm]

In fact, on September 18, 2021 at.

[Ish]

9 at 8:19am you text Rocky everything about you.

[Joe Budden]

Fake ass, gay nigger, Right?

[Malcolm]

Of course not. Of course not.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, let me show you a text message. Kill two.

[Ish]

Got him.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, got him. Oh, take a look at that on the screen behind you, buddy. Yes. Be with the audio. September 18, 20, 21 8:19am no matter.

[Malcolm]

How much the try you not charge. But I think they're changing everything about you.

[Joe Budden]

You fake ass.

[Malcolm]

I can't hate you sucker ass guy.

[Joe Budden]

Then you change guy to get remember.

[Malcolm]

Sending that message bro.

[Joe Budden]

This is in 21. I understand everything we're talking about here today is in 21. Every text message he had showed me.

[Malcolm]

Yesterday was in 21.

[Ish]

Got him. Got him. You can't have a clear memory for 2021 for the that you want to have a clear memory about. And now you get a foggy memory about one specific or two specific text messages. It's going to create reasonable doubt. There's a reasonable doubt that you're lying with with agenda, bruh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, here's way too is where he took the stand on the first time. And then I'm right behind the L and I'm saying if you brought a gun, use it then like the you brought a gun for. Okay, that's the words I was saying to him. When you said he pointed it at you where on your body was it pointing? Like towards my stomach, like towards like my head. Ish. A little. So fast. So fast. You know what I mean? And from what you're describing. Was it moving? Yeah, it was moving.

[Melissa Ford]

He had it up.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so he didn't just hold it at your stomach. It was kind of. No, no, he was looking for a spot to shoot. Okay, this clip is two minutes long and the audio's not the greatest, so I won't continue to play it. Just know that they got an active trial going on and it's heating up. I don't know about that bullets, that bullets. We found the bullets from the gun thing. Cause word is he went to the crime scene four days after and found the bullets himself. Really? And gave them the bullets. And gave them the bullets.

[Malcolm]

Oh no, that's sus.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, maybe we all just pussy and asap. Rocky is right. And I'm going to go to trial and I'm going to beat this thing.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That that option still exists for sure it does. I don't know if I would roll the dice with an all white jury.

[Ish]

I don't know if I would roll a dice with only having to do six months. And only having to do six months sound like nothing to us, right? I mean but the six months it's not. It might not be that where we.

[Joe Budden]

From that say that they don't really have it does.

[Ish]

It does. But I, I said the is in California. California got a different type of gun laws. I heard, like, if you just got a gun, you going New York. If you get California, New York. So I just. He got enough money where. Honestly speaking, the six months would literally fly by for him. But maybe it's not that part. It's the probation. I wouldn't give a. About the probation again. That's a lot of people. That probation part be the hard part. What you looking at?

[Parks]

24 years.

[Ish]

Give me three years probation. Like, this is the thing. If I'm confident enough where his current life is, him and his lady, they. They 50 on in the United States or less. They overseas. If your probation says, I could go live overseas with my family and all that other shit, yo, 36 months will fly by. You talking 10 years, 20 years probation like they gave thug. That's something different. Three years probation, fam. I think, in my opinion, when you're looking at 24 years, you got to kind of weigh your options. Yo, you being away from your kids for four months and you being away from your kids for 20 years is a totally different ball game to me.

[Joe Budden]

For sure.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

From the kids. Black people. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Black people. To respond well to the plea offers, they.

[Ish]

No, no. What? Most people plea. Most people plea. That's why the fancy. When you hear. I'm looking at how much. Yeah, cool. Most people plea.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't got to do with how you feel hearing a plea.

[Ish]

Yeah, you do.

[Joe Budden]

You. You think about it.

[Ish]

No, no. Yeah, I do. When they say, we're going to give you 50 years or you're going to take this 18 months. Months, you go.

[Joe Budden]

I would go. You get what I'm saying?

[Ish]

That's what people do.

[Joe Budden]

I would do that.

[Ish]

Thank God.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to write him off in the event that he has a shot at this.

[Ish]

I hope he does.

[Joe Budden]

And he's absolutely correct. And it's just a bunch of lies. Like, I want to still leave that on the table, but from the outside looking at it, it just looks a little.

[Ish]

And look at the other side of that, like with the thug trial, you know what I'm saying? Thug's lawyer was saying, we don't want. Don't take the plea. Don't take the plea.

[Joe Budden]

We can beat this.

[Ish]

We got it. He takes it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm listening to Drew. No, I mean, if Drew say something. I'm listening to Drew.

[Ish]

I'm not listening to Drew. If I'm Thug, I'm not listening to Drew.

[Joe Budden]

He listened to him.

[Ish]

I haven't. No.

[Joe Budden]

His.

[Ish]

His lawyer told him, don't take the play. Well, he said, don't take it. Thug's lawyer told him, don't take the play, fam. I can go home today. Does he have Drew today? I can go home Drew.

[Joe Budden]

Drew was out wearing the Young thug merch.

[Ish]

Whatever. I don't care if his name is Johnny, fam. I could go home today. And I'm only on probation. I got time served. I'm not gonna do no jail time. I'm going home, bro. They made a fool of the. It was black Atlanta prosecution. They made a fool of them.

[Joe Budden]

I take it back.

[Ish]

These niggas gonna get me. And y'all not gonna be able to retry the case. Oh, yeah. I mean, out of here. I do the probation. If I'm th.

[Joe Budden]

PR Listen, all I got is throw some prayers on.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. Honestly. To everybody involved.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's it. Let me just make sure. No one needs our help. This is where me and Mel went left last time.

[Ish]

What was the question?

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry about it. He wanted to bring with the girl, but he didn't want to deal with her saying, oh, God, you wasted my time. So he was just like, I don't feel like I wasted shit. And the first year don't count. And some other.

[Ish]

It was only a year.

[Parks]

No, they were together two years.

[Malcolm]

Two years.

[Ish]

He was saying a year don't count.

[Joe Budden]

Well, this is where me and Mel went wrong. Mel, I love you. You have been a phenomenal addition to this show.

[Parks]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

If I ever said anything to offend you on this show show. Or didn't give you the space and the grace to get your argument out, then I apologize. It was totally unintentional and I'll do better and be better accepted. The out of here. I was waiting like the out of here. Never that you're.

[Ish]

Blink if you need help.

[Melissa Ford]

We still doing the pause.

[Joe Budden]

Giving what I paid him for. I paid the chef.

[Melissa Ford]

So we're saying what for? Come on, man.

[Ish]

Excuse calling something else.

[Parks]

Dinner.

[Malcolm]

Do a little Easter.

[Parks]

Easter.

[Melissa Ford]

We going to do a St. Patrick's Day? Have some Irish?

[Malcolm]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

Celebrate the resurrection.

[Joe Budden]

Right? Let me go back a few days so we can help out. Curiosity Entertainment or just Curiosity with a kid. Hey, guys.

[Malcolm]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

So I've been on and off with this guy for five years, wasting her time. Never beneficial. But in both of our brains, you couldn't tell us that we wasn't. Wait. Oh, that's my favorite shit right there. That's my bad didn't we do this?

[Ish]

Yes, I think so.

[Joe Budden]

We did this.

[Parks]

We did this.

[Ish]

Keep going. That's the one I said had daddy issues. No, keep going.

[Joe Budden]

We're going to see.

[Melissa Ford]

Nigga memory is in the dungeons.

[Joe Budden]

Last time we got in a really bad fight, we told me die like my mother yesterday. Yep, we did that. All right, so let me find another one. There's a bunch here, and I'm reading them for the first time. Sorry. Apologize, bro. When your heart got broken. Did that. I just recently have a newborn son with my wife, and I got married in the same year. My issue with her is that she's so sensitive ever since she had my son.

[Parks]

We did that one.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, let me scroll. Roll up some since y'all playing around. All right. Morgan says, what's up, Morgan? And this seems appropriate for this episode. I read the first sentence. Does this win a nasty award for the month?

[Malcolm]

Probably.

[Joe Budden]

I mutually masturbated with my neighbor from a different apartment too. Yeah, or maybe a new mutually masturbated. I'll try one more. And if we did that, I'm out of here. Please do not read my email out loud. I am resubmitting my question.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Why did my ex boyfriend unfollow me after I posted I was pregnant, but he still follows his other exes? Mel, no.

[Parks]

Fuck that. Nope, nope, nope. No.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, no. You don't want to help him. You don't want to help him. Nothing. Come on, he needs your help.

[Ish]

He needs you.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, Mel.

[Ish]

Melly, we need you.

[Joe Budden]

Hip hop savior. Part of the show. Savior.

[Parks]

Not touching that. Not touching that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I don't know.

[Malcolm]

I don't know either.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe they had you wiped down.

[Malcolm]

Could be that.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean, shit, the other ex is pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be ready to hit unfollow when they start doing some of these pregnancy reveals too.

[Melissa Ford]

Nobody want to see that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I ain't.

[Malcolm]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

That's what that mean. Yeah, I don't want to see that beautiful bundle.

[Ish]

Mad at that one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Get the out of here.

[Ish]

He mad at that one.

[Joe Budden]

He tight. He tight.

[Ish]

The other ones, he don't really care. All right, cool. Yeah, you got pregnant, so.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I got a song y'all been really sleeping on, man. Man. Uhoh. You guys need to hear this. Waiter, you hear this one? Get a load of this. I am going with a song called Lord Knows by a gentleman named Aaron Page. I was recently introduced to like to hear it. Here you go.

[Parks]

Look, I got small hands, a Soft.

[Joe Budden]

Mascara Sorry I've been lying for a little while the club is closing right now and I'm trying to see what you about I've been waiting, waiting, waiting and I know what they talking about Heard the same line over a million times and it don't impress you right you know you fine, you make it look easy but you put it in over time and I hate talking over this music But I'm trying to get through to you and the licky you point gonna do it got problems and we all been through it Lord knows, Lord knows all kinesia do you hear me through your speakers? Girl I need ya need your body in motion I want to take it there you know I can see us going round for round Doing what we want Body to body like a duty unnegable like Alicia I'm in you and I don't want to do too much let's go somewhere they don't know what Be patient love take a song oh taking your time coming out of that product Thinking about giving my son or my daughter screaming daddy, not your father, no and you better you know it 24 hours with you ain't enough need you more what we doing? I can't wait to get you home they don't know about us need your body emotion I wanna take it you know I can see us doing what we want Body to body unthinkable like Alicia to me I'm in you and I don't wanna do too much let's go somewhere they don't know why one Be patient love Take this all night long Be patient love can take us all night. It's brand new music from Aaron Page. Shout out to him, shout out to Maddie. That song is called Lord Knows. It's fire. He got an EP out too. Let me give you the name of the EP so y'all know. Name of the EP is Lord Knows and there's some on here, so check it out. Shout out to Aaron Page.

[Ish]

I'm gonna play this, this Will Smith and Big Sean. Beautiful scars, man. Mr. Smith, Mr. Anderson.

[Malcolm]

All right.

[Ish]

Flies the eagle fresh out of Philly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I still, still rep the city Mirrors on the wall worth half a billy.

[Ish]

Cause I'm an icon Somebody you could.

[Joe Budden]

Base your life on that you should place your sights on Shot on cannons and Nikon Turn the cameras and lights on. I've been about to action master actor. I still rap Feel like Mike when they turn the mic on. I got Will until the wheels fall off. That's just the Will I am My.

[Ish]

Will power got these cowards saying God.

[Joe Budden]

Damn he just won't quit, Won't fold and won't switch I wrote the code, I'm Mr. Smith. Cause this is the matrix this is.

[Ish]

My regular basis I am a header, you play as I'm playing my aces Every card with the faces I am a king with a queen reigning supreme.

[Joe Budden]

Been through the rain, mud on my.

[Ish]

Feet, tracks in the street fame can.

[Joe Budden]

Be steep Mask off, see my face.

[Ish]

Ain'T clean did my dirt, made it hurt worse Went to church feeling cursed.

[Joe Budden]

Worked on myself Kintsugi first couldn't tell I've been through hell on earth the troop and it burns you live and you learn know I'm like Confucian See life is confusing I hate when I.

[Ish]

Lose it But I face the musical.

[Joe Budden]

Why did he do it?

[Ish]

See I'm only human it's the beautiful scars, yeah it's the beautiful flaws yeah I done fell about a million times.

[Melissa Ford]

Now I rise up the get closer.

[Joe Budden]

To God it's the beautiful stars yeah.

[Ish]

It'S the beautiful fls yeah I done.

[Joe Budden]

Fell apart about a million times Closer to God when you keep it g.

[Melissa Ford]

And beat the eyes that's what you call God Closer to God like I'm in a synagogue I had to quit.

[Joe Budden]

Tripping over that isn't worth the fall, you know Back against the wall my whole life will work of art Younger.

[Melissa Ford]

Me will blame everybody else like it's.

[Joe Budden]

They Till you realize you were walking.

[Melissa Ford]

Magnet so you the cause, what's your vibration? How you four backing yourself? Yo, what's your libation? Hydration A lot of advice I'm not taking gotta take these with a grain.

[Joe Budden]

Of salt Just like any recipe on how to make it look as Mr. Anderson and Mr. Smith we decoded the codes I got tired of being over.

[Melissa Ford]

Control Learning as I go, learning as.

[Joe Budden]

I grow I don't gotta do this.

[Melissa Ford]

Over and over that's to me dumps you know it's a no it ain't.

[Joe Budden]

The end if I don't get the.

[Melissa Ford]

Credit I'm a living legend I'm a.

[Joe Budden]

Die legend I ain't trying to get.

[Ish]

It, I gotta get it Beautiful scars.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It'S the beautiful scars yeah There are no limits Ascend through the universe.

[Joe Budden]

I believe in me like it's religion But I am the only one who converse conversations with the congregation the scripture is in the verse I manifest through my mentality the only real is my reality I rebuild with the broken pieces.

[Ish]

That are shattered on the floor I am healed by the deepest teachers that were given by the moors. The codes of my lineage. I'll be around for another millennium. Climbing the ladder to heaven or helium.

[Joe Budden]

Seeing the suffering, dreaming and healing them.

[Ish]

You are the one in a million billion. You are the answer. You are the power. You are the principle. Every second that you're living is pivotal.

[Joe Budden]

Anything that's broken is remixable. Even when it's not physical.

[Ish]

You are not alone. Trust the invisible ancestors.

[Joe Budden]

Flex when it is critical. Top of the pyramids, I am the pinnacle.

[Ish]

It's the beautiful. It's a beautiful star, yeah, I done.

[Joe Budden]

Fell about a million times. Now I rise up the gate closer to God.

[Ish]

Just a beautiful star, yeah. Just a beautiful star, yeah, I done.

[Joe Budden]

Fell about a million times. Now rise out the gate closer to.

[Ish]

And that again is beautiful. Scars Will Smith and Big Sean. Featuring Obenga.

[Malcolm]

Take the parental lock off your phone. The parental lock, take it off your phone. You know you sent me the clean version. Didn't matter because it was only two curses in there anyway.

[Ish]

But I ain't care.

[Malcolm]

I'm playing Jim Jones, this is Jomo.

[Parks]

Jimmy Jones.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir.

[Ish]

I want you to know one thing. You gotta remind them who you are.

[Malcolm]

Static.

[Melissa Ford]

What up?

[Ish]

Who you are.

[Malcolm]

Turn what up?

[Ish]

Remind them you a star. Play what your name. Then you remind them who you are. I'm just trying to tell my trooper it's lying. Oh my God. I put so much work and I could have died on a job. I believe in killing kitchens for chickens when they was frying up the hard tent. But I'm lying though, right? I've been in Powerhouse where they scream lottie. I didn't walk down my building and I seen bodies. I've been in court. The DA is looking like he seen Gotti. And all my do they time, you know my team body back to back. It's been seven years since I seen Shoddy. It's been seven years since I saw Melly. And now we gotta fly straight cause.

[Joe Budden]

He got four fellies.

[Ish]

I've been going to the tunnel since you saw but Belly, I done been through the most. Talking about we fake bloods. I had to spin for the coast. That was 20 years ago. I was just slim with the toast talking about the outside. But they put everything on the post. No caption that. No we not jacking that. Got a place that we go to. We not packing that. You know, we flip this whole like a acrobat and everything that you owe, I'm coming back for that. I need my son. You want to ask them Taught Me how to rap and I want platinum stupid they didn't think that I start the rapping I would lap them Everybody know for diplomats I was the captain you got to remind them who you are Remind them who you are remind them you a star Remind them Jo is he a Bronx, is he a Harlem? We all that tell me what's the problem I'm too thorough, I move thorough, my crew thorough Let me answer your questions I'm a legend up in two barrels like Kevin Ch I've been ducking the federal drama these was never wild down for me keep playing my young boys will burn the earth down for me I got them playing in the field it's like the first down homie you acting like will pull your skirt down homie but step a lot try knock me off my dean been a shooter it's over, you stupid with cap is on the scene trail I beat that came back as capo with a team mob that's still a Billy world silly girl you know I'm a Max so I got to stay trendy keep some apes with me got my hat on that's Jim Jones.

[Malcolm]

Joo Produced by Static and Terminology Shout out to gang Good to hear that record in cdq.

[Ish]

Yeah, man, I'm waiting for that Jim Jones album.

[Malcolm]

Me too.

[Ish]

It's the next month, I believe.

[Malcolm]

It still hasn't sent me a sleeper, so I guess I go to Mouth.

[Ish]

Oh, he tapped out.

[Malcolm]

You know how it goes sometimes.

[Ish]

Yeah, sometimes you just be like, you know what? I know I can't with her, so I just. I don't know how that goes.

[Parks]

Okay. You guys are such disturbers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, all right.

[Ish]

Disturbers.

[Parks]

Okay. It's called Shadows. And honestly, I don't know how to pronounce two of the three names. Jacoi, Severo, and it might be Cairo.

[Malcolm]

But the V sometimes is an upside.

[Parks]

Down child Good in the night I don't know but I like the song. Here you go.

[Joe Budden]

From the real and fake all these heartbreakers are undercover don't take it advantage I just banish up my damage.

[Ish]

Shadows.

[Joe Budden]

I called your phone, it's after three Hoping you get back to me.

[Ish]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me what's been on your mind of me I'm on the run, I'm out of reach after the things you said of me I disappeared.

[Melissa Ford]

You look good for me.

[Malcolm]

That is Jacoi. Maybe Cairo. And I'm not even gonna try the third one. Shadows. That was hard. Regardless if I can pronounce the names. Ish. Welcome back.

[Ish]

Thank you, sir. I'm going to JoJo and NGL.

[Malcolm]

You want NGL? That's not what you said.

[Ish]

Oh, my bad. Nobody. I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Ish]

The album.

[Joe Budden]

The song, too. Well, tell me who if I been kidding I'll be humble with Too long when they ask who love me like that Nobody.

[Parks]

Nobody. Nobody.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody. Don't make no sense I, I still like my time when I have this conversation you got to blow my mind Cuz I got no toleration for a.

[Parks]

Low vibe y'all be imitating if you going to ask, act right cuz I.

[Joe Budden]

Know this all too well Tell me who if I've been getting all along.

[Parks]

I'll be humble way too long.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Parks]

Got my own money, yeah, I'm a.

[Joe Budden]

Superstar I gotta go hard I gotta go hard not about to let you.

[Parks]

Play me for some dummy fall back.

[Joe Budden]

Think I'm better alone.

[Ish]

Nobody.

[Malcolm]

That is Jojo.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody that's off Jojo new album. Because she dropped today, too. Yeah, she dropped today, too. It was pop. Jojo. So I ain't. I ain't. Bye.

[Malcolm]

That sounded good, though.

[Joe Budden]

But I. With Joe. Jojo's a friend of the show.

[Ish]

No, she don't.

[Joe Budden]

She's a friend. It's. Man. Friends of the show that ain't been to the show. But it's cool, man. I sleepwalk, so I ain't time for no guests. Can't just. Let me just talk to my little friends. You can't sleep? Not right now. Sleepwalk and be. It's mad trying to come up here. Two chains. Hey, all right. Just wait. Just hold up.

[Malcolm]

Two chains. Doing the Alchemist album. You seen that?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Malcolm]

That Larry June.

[Joe Budden]

All three of them want to come up? Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Well, they're doing the album.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, they want to come up.

[Malcolm]

Oh, they should.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, yeah, I agree. In time.

[Malcolm]

I don't know where we put three, though. Pause.

[Joe Budden]

Nowhere. Now we just going. Umar was the exception. Is you tried to duck that Umar.

[Parks]

Smoke by being sick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like two pods in a row.

[Parks]

Yeah, like.

[Joe Budden]

Like. Yeah, it's. Yo, look at me. Hey, hey, cute eyes. Yo, yo. Hey, cute eyes. Hey, look this way. Take a gander this way. Cute eyes. You try to duck that Umar smoke with some nasal congestion. You was doing well, Kovit. We moved it, though. We moved. He rescheduled. You tried it. He tried. You're not mad? I'd have been if Umar came and you wasn't here. I went to your house. We just shot at your house.

[Malcolm]

Why?

[Ish]

You'd have been mad.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

You'd have Been mad because we need you here.

[Ish]

No, you don't.

[Joe Budden]

No, we do. No.

[Ish]

No, you don't. It's a distinguished cast.

[Joe Budden]

Your page says it to me that we need you. You talking about what? Oh, you.

[Melissa Ford]

That's his line. That's his line.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

That's his line. He used.

[Joe Budden]

I can't feel like that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, shut up, nigga. Yes, I can.

[Ish]

No, you can.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I can.

[Ish]

No, you can.

[Joe Budden]

You could feel like that, but I could feel like this. Don't gaslight me.

[Ish]

Is that what I'm doing?

[Parks]

You are the king's gaslighting.

[Ish]

You put the flame in the torch.

[Joe Budden]

What should I have to do with y'all gaslighting?

[Ish]

I don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

You're gaslighting me right now.

[Ish]

I'm definitely.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all think it's all right for y'all to gaslight me? Cause I gaslight y'all. Let me ask you that. Let me ask you that. All right. Flip got a yes, Mel.

[Parks]

If that's what we chose to do, yes. But we don't gaslight you that.

[Ish]

I'm with that part. Yeah, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I'm agreeing with what y'all do to me.

[Ish]

Tell the truth, y'all.

[Joe Budden]

Truth. Listen. Yeah. Umar will come back for you.

[Ish]

He's not coming here for me.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he is.

[Ish]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Cuz of the couch pad.

[Ish]

The couch pad pad.

[Joe Budden]

Something just hit me that, yo, that's the best clip in the world. It don't matter how many times I see that clip. It's funny. The couch pat and the realization in.

[Ish]

Real time, he didn't realize that in.

[Joe Budden]

Real time, I didn't tell him, so don't try to.

[Ish]

The Internet had already told him that he came here and said nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up, hold up.

[Parks]

Come on, just let us have our fun.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up for a minute. You believe that?

[Ish]

I'mma remind you.

[Joe Budden]

Believe that. And you back down that fast after you gave me all that lip?

[Parks]

1V1. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

You believe that?

[Ish]

I know that.

[Joe Budden]

Y'All think that, bro.

[Ish]

For months, people like, oh, Umar coming o is.

[Parks]

It is entirely possible.

[Melissa Ford]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say it's not possible.

[Ish]

And it is make sense. It would be logical.

[Parks]

It's very plausible.

[Ish]

He talks. The conversation situation leading up to him doing that, nothing was said about anything that would even insinuate that.

[Joe Budden]

If he is looking at your train of way to play that. I don't know.

[Ish]

We didn't have a conversation.

[Joe Budden]

We had mad conversation.

[Ish]

You know what? We. We. That came out in the first, that was like that.

[Joe Budden]

I think that. No, I don't think that it was, bro.

[Ish]

And we didn't.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't in the first hour.

[Ish]

Are you crazy?

[Joe Budden]

It's time stamped issue.

[Ish]

And we didn't have any kind. We didn't have any conversations that led to. Yo. You think this way because you have.

[Joe Budden]

A white girlfriend, you don't think he could have just been listening to you for.

[Ish]

No, I think that hour and change.

[Joe Budden]

And say that you got it. Well, look, look, look. I'm not trying to say no one way or the other.

[Ish]

Look, it could have just been so me. Somebody up here did and realized it was you. No, Dave, prior to him coming on the show, they were sending me and him mad clips months before he sat up here.

[Joe Budden]

He'll be online.

[Ish]

They're adding him.

[Joe Budden]

He built anc. He building a school. Anything.

[Ish]

I know what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, don't do that. You took off. You took off. That's what happened.

[Ish]

I don't know if he got you.

[Joe Budden]

Called out of work is what happened. You called out of work. Running from the smoke is what happened.

[Ish]

You selling the show?

[Joe Budden]

You asked me what happened.

[Ish]

I'm gonna let you sell it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's how he got you the last time, because he sell a showmanship. So even if I believe what you're saying, that showmanship. What happened, man?

[Parks]

Nothing. I just read something. Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

What happened? Matt Barnes cheated. Right. What happened?

[Parks]

Well, I mean, like, that is making the rounds right now, but that's. No, no, I wanted to say happy.

[Joe Budden]

You know, the girl that's never gonna get in a relationship, that's here to ruin everybody else's.

[Parks]

Okay, I was about to say happy Black History Month because Trump wants to do away with that and a whole list of other others. You guys want to hear the list?

[Joe Budden]

Sure. Yeah.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

Need your readers.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. Read it fast, because I got to go to the bank soon.

[Parks]

Okay, here is a list of the events that the agency is pausing.

[Joe Budden]

She's lying as hell.

[Parks]

It's the Pentagon, by the way. Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Black history Month, Women's History Month, y'all. Holocaust Remembrance Day. Asian American Pacific Islander, Hannah Heritage Month, LGBTQ Pride Month, Juneteenth. Women's Equality Day, National Hispanic Heritage Month, National Disability Employment Awareness Month. National American Indian Heritage Month.

[Ish]

I didn't hear Christopher Columbus here. Mad other. We still got Cinco de Mayo, though, right?

[Parks]

Yes, apparently, that's.

[Ish]

That's not a national holiday.

[Joe Budden]

One May 5th. Go ahead.

[Ish]

Be a little different.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y'all play around. This May 5th.

[Ish]

It might be a little different.

[Joe Budden]

This may go ahead out there. S. Get your ass in the bed. Yo.

[Ish]

That's the funny part. Like he. He know who to play with and who not to play with.

[Parks]

The Defense Department's intelligence agency has paused observations of.

[Ish]

I ain't hear Rash Hashanah.

[Parks]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Ross coming up here. Making an exception for him too.

[Ish]

Who I've been telling you for months.

[Joe Budden]

Want to come up here and I listen to you.

[Melissa Ford]

Who's rise?

[Joe Budden]

You think we got a bromance? Me and you?

[Ish]

No.

[Parks]

Everybody else does.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think we do.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to know what you thought. I don't think we got a romance. I see some fans keep adding me with that narrative. You try to do damn bromance. We just Eskimo brothers for a long time. That's it. We ain't playing no pro, man. Him Ish did win the last Monopoly game. Cuz Cory's a bum that was rolling for his like you.

[Ish]

Why Cory a bum when is win but he not a bum when you win? It seem like Cory's the deciding factor.

[Joe Budden]

In who wins the game. They all bums when I win. Don't put words in my mouth. I think they all sweet. All right. There you go. Ish rolled the game of his lifetime.

[Ish]

I heard.

[Joe Budden]

I rolled the worst game game ever. Went to jail before go. It's got one Boardwalk Park Place in Florida to himself. He did it. I ran down for you to get a steak. Yeah. He had money. I gave him money on my exit. He did it. He won a game. He won a game.

[Ish]

The funny part is I'm the worst roller out of everybody that plays.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry. Finesse said he won't play the next one.

[Ish]

For what?

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that to Finesse.

[Ish]

Finesse is my man.

[Joe Budden]

Finesse listens.

[Ish]

Finesse is my man.

[Melissa Ford]

Lord Finesse.

[Parks]

What is that?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Malcolm]

Shout out to Lord Finesse.

[Joe Budden]

That's Amani's man.

[Ish]

Lord Finesse. Man.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, man. Hopefully I like this hook. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

All right, man. Listen. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows. Lord knows Especially me Please pray for me. Lord knows we need to be there until the next time we bid you a do feel well. Adios to ri. Hasta la vista. Our voice or a simple head nod will suffice. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast as much as we have enjoyed delivering it to you. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's please make this one last as if it's all we have and lastly, the baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them some things. Grab you with Tylenol. You might need it. Hey, shout out to anybody outside tonight. What y'all doing this weekend? Anything?

[Melissa Ford]

Work, baby, work.

[Ish]

I'm quiet weekend this week.

[Joe Budden]

Finally.

[Malcolm]

Not sure yet.

[Joe Budden]

We sitting down that all right? Nice and washed. Nice and quiet.

[Ish]

Nice.

[Joe Budden]

Can't wait. Mel gonna be a blue and Huston.

[Parks]

I haven't been there in a minute actually.

[Joe Budden]

This is where the old go to catch a little slipping been where you from? Yeah. Oh, yo, Mel going in getting her Maryland RO bag.

[Melissa Ford]

Her laugh touch game is fire.

[Joe Budden]

No, her laugh Touch game A1 on Patreon. Her laugh touch game throw her foot up on you. A little throw to Lego. You're so funny R my leg leg out of here.

[Ish]

You put your leg on strangers, she.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T give a. Yeah. What she don't care what.

[Parks]

She's a different exaggerating.

[Melissa Ford]

You know when they go.

[Joe Budden]

You know when they go find like.

[Melissa Ford]

A different species they never heard of.

[Joe Budden]

That's her.

[Melissa Ford]

She like a different breed of.

[Joe Budden]

She do bug that.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Dead ass. She put a foot on dead ass right now. You said that to Ish.

[Parks]

Yes, I am dead ass that you.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T put your legs leg on people that you don't know well enough to put your leg on like that.

[Melissa Ford]

They're considered strange.

[Parks]

Listen, hold on. We gotta dive deeper. Like how do you. What's the cut exactly? You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Exactly, exactly. It's cool. It's cool. Hey, big mouth. Don't touch me. Yo, y'all hold it down, man. We'll be back same time, same place, next weekend. Please stay. Please stay safe. Safe or stay dangerous. Head on a swivel at all times. Watch out for ice and ice.

[Melissa Ford]

And we not talking about freeze.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we ain't talking about. We ain't talking about Elizabeth ice. Watch out for ice.

[Ish]

Watch out for black ice too.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all play around this May 5th if y'all want. Go ahead. Ice do that. You was doing appropriation. Put that. Put that little sombrero on.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They could come lock your ass up.

[Joe Budden]

Put it on. Go ahead.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, nah. Probably take a year off. Grew up out of that. Take a few years off of that. That's young dead ass that's on game.

[Ish]

I could be Irish still though, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you can always be Irish.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

900 years of that being fat.

[Malcolm]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

I take that one.

[Ish]

They not with the White immigrants. All right. Bet they only with the black and brown. Keep my St. Patrick's Day in.

[Joe Budden]

Too much to keep up with. They try to teach me about white Puerto Ricans couple months ago. Like, you know what, dog? It's a lot. It's too much white Puerto Ricans. I dropped out early and didn't do social studies. Buddy, they my head up with that one. He is a white border guy. Said what you did? I said, wait, what I thought pulling up pictures. I said, holy, my whole child is up if they take a fat Joe. What the white Puerto Rican, huh? What you say?

[Ish]

You've done Jersey City, the Bronx and Uptown.

[Joe Budden]

I never seen a white boy.

[Ish]

Yes, you have.

[Joe Budden]

Where? Who? Nat?

[Ish]

No, I didn't say Nat.

[Joe Budden]

You said Nat.

[Ish]

No, I didn't Gonna you up. Say who?

[Joe Budden]

You said she do the kind of white who is a white Puerto R. Oh, Nat.

[Ish]

No, I did not say Nat is the homie.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say. God damn it.

[Ish]

Nat Puerto Rican. I didn't even know Nat was Puerto Rican. So I definitely didn't say Nat who you said? I'll tell you later. Rat bastard.

[Joe Budden]

A girl that we fuck. No, that's only people he remember the girls we fuck. Shut up.

[Ish]

What are you talking about?

[Melissa Ford]

Who her?

[Joe Budden]

I thought she was black. Yo, one day I'mma go get educated and this is gonna be up for the game.

[Ish]

Yo, this guy.

[Joe Budden]

When I go get educated, just know it's up for the game. Dead ass on Enough of Doggy.

[Melissa Ford]

Jbp. Jbp.

[Parks]

Where would you be without the jbp?

[Joe Budden]

Come on, Mel, do it right. Don't do it like you did the last part when you was mad.

[Malcolm]

She was like.

[Joe Budden]

She was mad and went and hugged up with the dog and do you do your job right? She in the back all stuff too. We didn't start a Patreon. Girl, get your ass. She gonna stay here with the tight face too for 20 minutes. I had to walk this out. Yo, yo, talking to us as a collective, it could get scary. Yeah, if y'all don't do your. That's what you said all us together, right? I didn't.

[Melissa Ford]

We know who you.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't single out. I didn't single. Mel. Hey, I see. I see what y'all doing. I no, I did not. I said all of us together. No, you use see what you all doing. And if I get to talking, somebody going to cry up here. All of us together. That didn't work. You all knew who I was talking to. The fuck out of here.