Episode 797 | "Clean Sweep"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 797: "Clean Sweep"
Release Date: February 5, 2025
Host/Author: The Joe Budden Network

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1. Show Dynamics and Cast Issues

Timestamp: [00:30] - [05:06]

The episode kicks off with Joe Budden addressing procedural issues regarding the show's start times. Concerns arise about the special treatment received by Flip, one of the cast members. Parks voices frustration over Flip's flexible attendance and lack of commitment, suggesting that Flip "comes and goes as he pleases" [01:13]. This sparks a broader discussion about consistency and professionalism within the podcast's structure.

Notable Quote:
Parks: "He comes and goes as he pleases. He decides he wants to stay or he's gonna leave." [01:37]

2. Corporate Structure vs. Show Chemistry

Timestamp: [02:12] - [04:51]

The conversation shifts to the nature of the podcast's operations, comparing it to a corporate environment. Ice and Parks argue that unlike corporate jobs where individuals primarily focus on their own advancement, the podcast relies heavily on the chemistry and collaboration among its cast members to produce quality content.

Notable Quote:
Parks: "A lot of the chemistry up here depends on the connections that we all make. Like, we rely on the chemistry in order to produce a really, really good fucking show." [02:52]

3. Grammys Discussion: Winners, Performances, and Controversies

Timestamp: [24:02] - [91:14]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting the recent Grammy Awards. The hosts analyze various performances, award recipients, and controversies:

• Chris Brown's Victory: The team celebrates Chris Brown winning Best R&B Album, acknowledging his longstanding impact despite past controversies.

  Notable Quote:
  Joe Budden: "He deserves finally winning best R&B album of the year." [25:51]

• Babyface's Red Carpet Interaction: Joe criticizes Babyface for speaking with Associated Press reporters, questioning the professionalism of the interaction.

  Notable Quote:
  Joe Budden: "It's a lot of sauceless drummers... he shouldn't be talking to AP right now." [31:03]

• New Artist Segment: The hosts commend the Grammy's new artist performances, highlighting talents like Benson Boone, Dochi, and Sabrina Carpenter, while also critiquing certain acts for lackluster performances.

  Notable Quote:
  Melissa Ford: "She was a lot of her, and I'm not all the way familiar with her or her story at all, so it just felt like a lot of her." [82:21]

• Taylor Swift and Beyoncé's Performances: Discussions revolve around Taylor Swift's attire and Beyoncé's dominance in her category, reflecting on the industry's biases and representation.

  Notable Quote:
  Melissa Ford: "They should do a better job of advertising the pre-telecast." [24:35]

• Jonathan Majors and Marvel Conspiracy Theory: A guest, Carlos Miller, presents a theory suggesting that the trade of Luka Doncic by the Mavericks was orchestrated to facilitate the team's move to Las Vegas, tying it to larger industry and political motives.

  Notable Quote:
  Carlos Miller: "They're using you to shift the entire industry. He didn't see the play..." [85:00]

4. Drake and NBA Trade Speculations

Timestamp: [163:35] - [237:25]

The podcast delves into NBA trade rumors, particularly focusing on Drake's involvement and the implications of significant player trades:

• Luka Doncic and Anthony Davis Trade: The hosts explore the theory that Luka's trade was a strategic move by the Mavericks to downsize and negotiate for better infrastructure deals in Texas.

  Notable Quote:
  Ish: "I think there's something about Luka that Dallas knows that we don't know." [192:17]

• Impact on Teams and the League: Discussions highlight how these trades affect team dynamics, fan perceptions, and the overall competitive landscape of the NBA.

  Notable Quote:
  Joe Budden: "The Mavericks are not drafting players or making trades to contend with Denver. If Denver is the top shotters, we’re not getting any big bodies." [191:54]

5. Personal Conflicts and Relationship Dynamics Among Hosts

Timestamp: [155:07] - [236:56]

The episode features heated exchanges among the hosts, particularly between Joe Budden and Parks, concerning perceived favoritism and respect:

• Special Treatment Allegations: Parks accuses Joe of giving Flip preferential treatment, leading to tensions and accusations of fairness within the group.

  Notable Quote:
  Parks: "You think that you have special privileges up here ... that's what it looks like up here." [04:55]
  Flip: "I think that it's easier ... to come at the man that can't Keep up with you in certain spaces." [235:30]

• Conflict Resolution Attempts: Efforts are made to address grievances, but emotions run high, reflecting underlying issues of trust and mutual respect.

  Notable Quote:
  Flip: "Cause when you learn from somebody and they criticizing you and you feel like you do the best that you do, you're gonna react." [245:02]

6. Outro and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: [237:35] - [291:00]

The podcast wraps up with final thoughts on various topics, including:

• Support for A.S.A.P. Rocky and Kendrick Lamar: Expressions of solidarity and prayers for cast members facing personal or legal challenges.

  Notable Quote:
  Joe Budden: "Thoughts and prayers to Kendrick and his family." [264:45]

• Upcoming Events and Performances: Brief mentions of future shows, tours, and personal plans among the hosts.

• Finale: The hosts conclude with a mix of humor and camaraderie, emphasizing the importance of unity and support within the podcast community.

  Notable Quote:
  Joe Budden: "Life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have." [270:00]

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Key Takeaways

• Internal Struggles: The podcast openly discusses challenges related to cast member commitment and perceived favoritism, highlighting the complexities of maintaining consistent chemistry in a creative environment.

• Industry Insights: Detailed analyses of the Grammys and NBA trade rumors provide listeners with insider perspectives on major events in the music and sports industries.

• Personal Dynamics: The episode underscores the importance of mutual respect and clear communication among hosts, revealing the human side of podcast production.

• Community Support: Expressions of support for cast members facing difficulties demonstrate the tight-knit nature of the podcast community.

This episode offers a blend of professional critique, personal anecdotes, and candid conversations, making it a comprehensive listen for those interested in the behind-the-scenes dynamics of The Joe Budden Podcast and its perspective on contemporary events.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart. Or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Ice]

We just gonna say what time it is?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, yeah, we're here. We here. Not even used to some type of structure. Not even used to starting on the time. At the time you're supposed to start. Look, Mel looks so confused, like, wait, what's going on?

[Ice]

It's too early for this.

[Parks]

No, well, my question is, is this it?

[Joe Budden]

We hear that. What does that mean?

[Parks]

We are missing two cast members.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ice]

What time is it?

[Joe Budden]

The focus is in the wrong place.

[Parks]

I overstand that.

[Joe Budden]

So you ratting?

[Parks]

I'm not ratting. Actually, I'm kind of surprised the issues in here because he's been making an.

[Joe Budden]

You rat it last part too. When we was about to start.

[Ish]

You say, where's Flip?

[Parks]

I sure the fuck did because he gets special treatment.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Parks]

Oh, Flip.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You think Flip gets special treatment?

[Parks]

Yes. Yes. And I know that I'm not the only one. I just. I'm the one who.

[Joe Budden]

So now you're speaking for other people.

[Parks]

Okay, I'll just speak for myself right now.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think that you are allowed to speak for other people?

[Parks]

No, not necessarily.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so speak for you.

[Parks]

But every once in a while, people just do this. Whew, thank God she said it.

[Joe Budden]

And you think that's what's happening? Tell me why you think Flip gets special treatment?

[Parks]

The motherfucker.

[Joe Budden]

And then we can start.

[Parks]

He comes and goes as he.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not dog palling you either. Okay?

[Parks]

He comes and goes as he pleases. He decides he wants to stay or he's gonna leave. He shows up when he wants. He never writes on the board. Like it's endless. Okay, it's endless. It's endless. This has nothing to. I love him, but it's like.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I don't know. It's a little bit of ratting early in the party, but let me just tell you while we're here just shooting the shit, you think everyone is beholden to the same rules?

[Parks]

Apparently not, Amel.

[Joe Budden]

And if it's. Apparently not, then would he be getting special treatment?

[Parks]

Okay, you're right. It is too early. Connections. Synapses are not firing on all cylinders.

[Ice]

Have you ever worked corporate before?

[Parks]

Yes.

[Ice]

Were there people that was.

[Joe Budden]

How can I say it?

[Ice]

When you work corporate, you kind of just got to worry about you.

[Parks]

Okay. This isn't corporate.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's.

[Ice]

That's. That's where the problem comes.

[Joe Budden]

Some of the problem lies, I think, everywhere.

[Melissa Ford]

You got to kind of worry about you, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

But facts.

[Ice]

It's a mistake. I see up here a lot, and it's because everybody's friends with Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, see, that's true. I could not agree more with what ICE is saying.

[Parks]

That's true. That may be true. But in addition to that, the fact that you're right. Worry about you. However, a lot of the chemistry up here depends on the connections that we all make. Like, we rely on the chemistry in order to produce a really, really good fucking show. So in that way, this is not a corporate structure. This is a show. This is a production that is dependent on us being here and us communicating with each other in the way that the audience expects it.

[Joe Budden]

Facts.

[Ice]

Now, what we also are. We're all professionals.

[Parks]

Yes. And we do. Well whenever somebody is not here.

[Ice]

Exactly.

[Parks]

We adjust. However, nobody's been given a memo that either one of those two is not coming. So they're just not here at the start time and as we have.

[Joe Budden]

So now you work with the people that came to work.

[Ice]

That's it.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Parks]

Y'all listen. Y'all want to win? You got it.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, no.

[Parks]

After last week, I ain't fighting with y'all. Motherfucker.

[Ice]

I'm never trying to fight.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not trying to fight. You good.

[Ice]

I'm never trying to fight with you.

[Parks]

You good.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not trying to fight. On a flip topic. I'm not. I'm just letting you know that everyone here is not beholden to the same rules and regulations.

[Melissa Ford]

Expectations also.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. At all. And that's a mistake. To think that we expect Flip to.

[Melissa Ford]

Do what the he wants.

[Parks]

Really?

[Melissa Ford]

You don't kind of.

[Ish]

I'm just. I expect it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Flip is here in that capacity. His contract is constructed in that capacity is.

[Parks]

Oh, then I have nothing to say. That's what I'm saying. If his contract is.

[Joe Budden]

Contract is not your contract, which is not Mark contract, which is not ICE contract or. Or ish or Parks. Everybody is not the same.

[Parks]

Yeah. If it's constructed in a way where he gets to come and go as he pleases and just appears whenever he wants, then you got it.

[Joe Budden]

So you on his ass. Yeah. Mel don't like that. Mel is on his ass.

[Ice]

Mel, like, if I got to get up and be in here, God damn it, you need to get up and be in here too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I don't. I'm. I only do this because that's not right of Mel. Because when her contract come up, she organizes it how she sees fit for her, not for everybody else. That's what everybody should do when it's gone.

[Parks]

Truck.

[Joe Budden]

Shit, I'm wrong.

[Ish]

Oh, this is gonna be a good day. Oh, yeah.

[Parks]

We had a whole conversation several months ago where you him, you know, Flip started talking about, you know, I'm gonna. I'm asking for this, I'm doing this.

[Ish]

Da, da, da.

[Parks]

And I remarked, I said, wow, that is really interesting. That like, men really walk through the world like a wake is in front of them, you know what I'm saying? Like, where they just, they don't have anything like imped in terms of, you know, oh, well, should I ask for this and should I ask for that? And some women came for me and I asked for what the fuck I want. Okay, cool. That's you. But primarily, women do have struggled over the course of history for asking what they want because it's very easy to say.

[Ish]

That's very true.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Ish]

I mean, I really underpay all my women employees. You don't know how easy it is.

[Joe Budden]

And they take it too. Nah, that's fire. That's not a fire.

[Parks]

Big bar, you're an ally.

[Ish]

And seriousness, though, I do have to often encourage them publicly.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Ish]

To do more. Like I literally have to say, you have to ask for front facing work. I literally mentor them to ask for front facing.

[Parks]

We'll be allies, right? So when I construct my contract, it is.

[Joe Budden]

Can I just say, it never surprises me when you'll pull from the historic plight of women before you.

[Parks]

Why not?

[Joe Budden]

Cause, Mel, in one breath, you can't say this. Don't feel like corporate, and then say, I'm afraid to talk when it's contract time.

[Parks]

Yes, I can.

[Joe Budden]

You got it.

[Parks]

I can. Because the two things have nothing to do with each other.

[Joe Budden]

You're afraid to talk to.

[Parks]

No, no, no. Corporate environment versus contract negotiations. That's completely different.

[Joe Budden]

Who are you afraid to talk to when it's time to negotiate your contract?

[Parks]

I wouldn't categorize it as a fear.

[Joe Budden]

Who are you timid to speak to? Because every new contract you've asked for things.

[Ice]

Why are you asking? Why are you talking?

[Joe Budden]

What? Not her. She has somebody.

[Ice]

Okay, she asked somebody.

[Joe Budden]

But that's my point. That somebody she has is he Has a dick, huh?

[Ice]

So that.

[Joe Budden]

Where does the fear. Where does the. Where does the fear come?

[Parks]

Because he's just my proxy. He represents me.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, Mel.

[Ish]

Is he white?

[Parks]

No.

[Flip]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Parks]

Is he afraid I should hire a white man?

[Ish]

Oh, my God.

[Parks]

Okay, gotcha.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Parks]

Oh. Got you. I got you.

[Ish]

Am I lying, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

I see what.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

My whole life changed when I got a white guy. My entire life changed. I'm forever in debt to Parks. My entire life changed when I got a white Jewish guy behind me. Oh, man, I know the audience don't wanna hear, I'm sorry. I did it y'all way. I did it, y'all way first, me and some friends, Some black people. I did it, y'all way. Record label people. It failed. Trust. I was twisted. So now you do. With a dick that talks for you. Shout out to my man because he's real cool. Is he afraid?

[Parks]

No, he's not afraid.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Parks]

He's not afraid. And he encourages me to, you know, to. To. To not have any timidity. When we're approaching the contract negotiations and.

[Joe Budden]

You was just on air not even three weeks ago saying, I love you. I never ever, ever, ever, ever want to leave. I never want to leave. See, I put you in those spots publicly so you could say that because of all that you go through behind the scenes because you look like you hate it here, but then I get you to say, absolutely love it, Mel. Absolutely hate. That's the best. Oh, no, I never ever heard her name. But everybody out there say, oh, she hates them.

[Ice]

She hates them.

[Joe Budden]

Like, you should work on your acting. Your acting is like Beyonce acting.

[Ice]

She was surprised.

[Joe Budden]

I know she was. We going to talk about that later. Shout out to the Carters. Congratulations to her. Yes, congratulations to her. Hov Blue, the entire family. We'll get to the. Oh, I totally wasn't expecting this look later, but there's a few giveaways.

[Melissa Ford]

She was there, right?

[Joe Budden]

Point one. All right. How y'all feeling? Feeling great. Started out with a little. That's right. Get high in here. Talk behind niggas backs.

[Parks]

It is hot.

[Joe Budden]

That's why it's good to start before people get here so we can talk about any backs.

[Parks]

I'll say it to their fucking faces, right?

[Joe Budden]

What we got to say about Ish, too, while he not here?

[Parks]

Why the fuck isn't he here?

[Ish]

This I'll say facts. I'm a shoot.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a shoot. Ish.

[Ish]

Some bell. Because in the limited time I've been here, Ish doesn't necessarily get at 10:30. But he always gets here before we start, so I'm assuming he probably has, like, an emergency. I would bet money that something happened to him.

[Parks]

Did anybody get a text? As opposed to did anybody get a text?

[Joe Budden]

Ian got a text.

[Parks]

Oh, did you?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Parks]

I have nothing.

[Ish]

Was it an emergency?

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you can't. You can't be the black Karen.

[Ice]

You can't be this Karen.

[Parks]

You've already fucking assigned that title to him.

[Melissa Ford]

Flip gets you that much ire in your. In your tone. Flip's action should not make you fucking blood boil.

[Joe Budden]

And especially because you could do what you want to.

[Parks]

If your contract reflects that, I probably wouldn't. I wouldn't have asked for it.

[Joe Budden]

And if you would like to amend it, call Ian after this, because I'm. My middle name this month. In the rest of these years, amend or another word, I can't say. But this is the year I really.

[Parks]

Want to know what that word is.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, nah, not now. Not now. There. There'll come a time, okay? Oh, my. And whenever that time comes, it'll be the top thing in your YouTube algorithm. Damn, this guy sick. I'm just telling y'all what it is now. But anyway.

[Parks]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, who's ready for some fun? Let's go, man. Let's do it. Who's ready for some fun, Flip? Your sister? Your sis? Get your fucking. Mel is amazing.

[Ice]

Mel be on his ass, yo.

[Joe Budden]

No, Mel don't play.

[Ice]

She don't play with Chibi on his.

[Joe Budden]

But she did it last week, and it totally went over my head. She was like, where's Flip? I was like, don't speak him up. Shit, it went right over my head, that Karen shit.

[Parks]

It's not Karen.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna get you. He'll get you.

[Parks]

He always does.

[Joe Budden]

He's gonna get you.

[Parks]

No, I owe him at this point. How much he, you know, does to me. I owe him.

[Joe Budden]

This year, I'm waking up. Some of the behind the scenes turmoil. I'm waking up. I'm getting to it. Enough of this. I'm gonna monetize it. Somehow I got to Mark.

[Ish]

I understand.

[Parks]

You already are Snitch Cam.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no. Please, please. Hell no. No, I mean, like the real. Like, the Vice version. The dark side of podcasting. Yeah, like that part.

[Ish]

I used to think this was all cap. Like, when I was watching the show, I thought there was no behind the scenes turmoil. Oh, no. Day two, I was like, oh, all right.

[Ice]

Attention, beating thick.

[Ish]

Yo, for real?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Nah. Thicker than cold grits, man.

[Ish]

I learned Fast.

[Joe Budden]

My girl Mel. That's right. Get that nigga Mel. She. She wants more time with Flip.

[Ish]

I be crushing the building.

[Joe Budden]

Eyes on socks. All right man, who am I to tradition up. Y'all know what time it is. Y'all know what we doing. Y'all know why we here. Y'all know who we beat. Y'all know our body out there, man. Best podcast in the whole world. Powered by sponsored by a few by prize picks prize picks gang 76 floor.

[Ish]

Joint so I like 76 floors you.

[Joe Budden]

Can call yes sir, whatever I 97.

[Ish]

JayZ say when, say when Fill me up, break me down and build me up a guinea like Hobie need your back cold got blow though he's no big and pot but he's close I'm posing when they got me fighting Shout.

[Joe Budden]

Out to wherever you might be listening from whole New York City, whole New Jersey, Detroit, what's good Shout out to the Carolinas, Florida, DMV what's good Boston.

[Ish]

What up they like you they ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Even a half what they anybody in Dubai. London, what's going on out there?

[Corey]

Michael?

[Ish]

See Martin, see Malcolm, you see Biggie, see Pac, see success in his outcome. See Jesus, see Jew.

[Joe Budden]

Congrats to all the winners out there. All the nominees.

[Ish]

Success is like suicide. Suicide is a suicide. If you succeed prepare to be crucified. Media medals n sue you you settle every step you take they reminded you get on so it's tough being Bobby Brown to be Bobby then you got to be by now is is to have had lost better than not having.

[Joe Budden]

Turn that up turn up for me.

[Ish]

Everybody want to be the king the shots ring you laying in the balcony with holes in your dream or your Malcolm X out get distracted by screams everybody your channel might change everybody look at your strange so you change like you work that hard to stay the same game stayed the same the name changes so it's best for those do not overdose on being famous Most kings get driven so insane that they try to hit the same vein that Kurt Cobain did. No dangers so Chain was invited to the inter sanctum of Yo Chain. Yo Chain. Yo Chain.

[Flip]

Yo Chain.

[Ish]

Good God boy's a monster. Let's try this.

[Joe Budden]

Always for the ladies.

[Flip]

Always for the ladies.

[Ish]

Oh yeah. Morning America Ghetto usa.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Good morning. Shout out to all the do boys.

[Flip]

Out there entrepreneurs out there.

[Corey]

You.

[Ish]

I wake up hit my shoebox I snatch out a few rocks put the rest inside now ready to ride put the balm in my socks so cops can't locate the vow I ain't freshly dressed but got a Colgate smile. That's right. Throw on the same clothes I had on last night. I got loads of capers to come up with this paper.

[Ice]

I got money skins come to me.

[Ish]

In my dream Put a flop like a veteran. They're clean up hitters, it works.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody that works with artists out there.

[Ish]

Put the rest in my small pocket. All the teams, same routine. I'm running game the fiend, all the bones back and forth to my stash spot. Hundred dollars a week. Shorty's got the ab watch fiend.

[Joe Budden]

We in where it started. Great show lined up for y'all today.

[Mark]

These niggas talking out of their neck.

[Joe Budden]

Way too paranoid for threat.

[Corey]

Hey, let's get it, bro.

[Mark]

Dot the money, power, respect. The last one is better say yes.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of the goofies with a check on me. I hope you sentiment symbolic.

[Mark]

Okay, let's get it up.

[Ish]

It's time for him.

[Joe Budden]

It's the funniest thing in the world.

[Melissa Ford]

And I take it this far.

[Ish]

This did not warrant it did not.

[Joe Budden]

At all. This was just some friendly rap.

[Mark]

I'm really like that. Your best work is a light pat Prince outlit Mike Jack.

[Joe Budden]

That's okay.

[Flip]

With all these nines, he gonna see pet cemetery.

[Joe Budden]

Man, oh, man, oh, man.

[Melissa Ford]

I have to go that way.

[Joe Budden]

It really did well, yeah, but he told him.

[Melissa Ford]

I know he did.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze.

[D.C.]

What?

[Joe Budden]

He told him.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Ice]

Take it damn.

[Joe Budden]

Taking it further and that's something you don't want. He told him. He did. Hey, if you tell lies about me, I'll tell. He told him. Tell him. Freeze.

[Flip]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I'm here for a good time in a long time, man. Best broadcast in the entire world News. Your bag.

[Ish]

No matter who's here, no matter who's.

[Joe Budden]

Not here, we hold it down for gaggings. Yeah, I mean, we hold it down for our co host, right? We hold it down for the people inside and outside these rooms that may be suffering or going through emergencies. It's what camaraderie looks like, huh? What it's like to be a family, huh? It's what it's like to hold black men down, huh? Let's get these drops out the way. Get this round of applause going for the best broadcast crew in the entire universe, man. You can feel the amazing cast with me. I got an amazing cast with Mel. I'm not going to get my shades so leave me alone. Leave me alone. I'm not going to get my shades. I want to be bright eyed. I want to be Cognizant. I want to be aware. I want to just be my best self. How's everybody doing? What episode is this?

[Melissa Ford]

797.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 797 of the JOE Button podcast. I am your humble, gracious, grateful, highly favored, fully dressed host, Joe Button, here with a few really amazing people. I got my girl, Big M. Formula Ford, legend in the game. Y'all know the fucking vibes, huh? Talk to him. Huh? Talk to him. Talk to Wee Hootie Hoo. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's all y'all get is a Hootie Hoo. Next to her, Dr. Mark Lamont fucking Hill is in the building, man. Stop playing with him. Stop playing with a Mark. How you feeling, man?

[Ish]

I've been on the road all since the last time you seen me, man.

[Joe Budden]

What'd you say?

[Ish]

I've been on the road for the last shit week. I'm exhausted.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I seen some speeches.

[Ice]

Yeah, I saw you.

[Ish]

I've been everywhere. You was giving it up, bro. Trying, man. Trying, man. I got in at. Flew in from Indianapolis this morning. Came straight here.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Was it like a tragedy or something out there? Like, I know they call you to, like. One of the first responses I was giving.

[Ish]

It's Black History Month, so it's that time to stop us from. Written by himself. Written by herself. Phyllis.

[Joe Budden]

Weakness.

[Ish]

Because they thought Negroes couldn't read and write. They thought Negroes didn't have the capacity to read and write. Stop us from learning how to do what? Read and write if we can't read and write. What you trying so hard to stop.

[Joe Budden]

Us for, Big Mark?

[Ish]

And the answer is because America has always known what you are.

[Flip]

America has always known who you are.

[Ish]

America has understood what you're capable of. And they will make you think you ain't nothing at the same time that they exploit your gifts.

[Flip]

They'll tell you you lazy and make you a slave.

[D.C.]

They'll tell you you dirty and have.

[Ish]

You clean their house.

[Flip]

They'll tell you you uncivilized and we raise their children.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my good doctor Mark Lamar.

[Ish]

They know who you are.

[Joe Budden]

Doctors in the building.

[Flip]

But it's time that you listen to who you are.

[Joe Budden]

Talk that you are who you are.

[Ice]

Two different phrasing.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, that was great. We gotta give it up in the room. We gotta give it up in the room for that man.

[Ice]

Nah, you went crazy.

[Joe Budden]

My walked up to the pastor pulpit, got in his bag. Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is with us in the building. Big Freeze is in the Building. Jersey's finest. You know the vibes. Amirah's best Parks is in the building. Huh? Ian is here. Flip is here. Corey is here. Vern is here dressed like a deacon. Eric Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys out there are in the building. All right? I'm feeling good. I'm well rested. Thankful for God to put breath in our lungs this morning. Hopefully what I'm reading about Irv Gotti is not true. So we start with a prayer for him, whether it's true or not. Cause that's my man Irv. I love you. I'm praying for you in my prayers, my brother. How's everybody doing? How's everybody feeling? What's going on? You're looking good. You're smelling good. Talk to me. Talk to me now.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, here we go.

[Flip]

I got some news that one of the cast members is questioning my, you know, my privileges.

[Melissa Ford]

Ice.

[Flip]

And last time that happened, I was extremely mean. So I'm gonna approach this situation more diplomatic. I think it's very bad that we do that. I think that we should worry about oneself and respect each other's private business and not try to put it to the boss to make it seem like somebody's being insubordinate. And I love you, Melissa. Ford, what's up with you, man?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, how'd you hear about that so fast?

[Flip]

The streets Got your head in the streets?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you was. You was down there. You was listening.

[Flip]

I was in there in the hallway right there. Listening to the whole thing. Playing it off because I wanted to make a grand entrance, but she just threw a wrench in it. Melissa.

[Parks]

Sorry. I'm sorry.

[Flip]

You're not sorry.

[Parks]

You can do your grand entrance now. Well, this. That was pretty grand.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Again, Melissa.

[Flip]

Okay, Melissa. I'm on your side.

[Parks]

Same.

[Flip]

Women's rights.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes you're on the side of people that's not on yours. Like, there's nothing wrong with that. You on. You on her side? Good. Thanks.

[Parks]

Keep it up. I'll make you feel bad. Just keep it.

[Joe Budden]

So you better relax.

[Parks]

Let's f. I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

You better relax.

[Parks]

Boy, I'm glad to see you, Flip.

[Flip]

Are you?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

We'll do sound effects again. Me and my man. Me and my man.

[Parks]

Yeah. Please stop that.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Parks]

Yeah, please stop that. But it's good to see you.

[Flip]

How you doing?

[Parks]

And I can't wait to hear about how your weekend went. Oh, it looked a little lit.

[Melissa Ford]

It did.

[Parks]

Looked a Little lit.

[Ish]

It was something.

[Parks]

Okay, so we'll get to that a little bit later.

[Flip]

Thanks for holding me down, Joe. Thanks for holding me down. As far as. Don't allow people to talk. I listened. Don't allow people to talk about me, man. Appreciate that. Appreciate it.

[Melissa Ford]

We definitely allowed it.

[Joe Budden]

I gave some pushback. I ain't let her do that. And I would do the same for any one of you in the event that Mel kicked y'all back early.

[Flip]

Publicly.

[Joe Budden]

No, Mel don't play. She don't playl she ain't here for shits. All right. Come on, man. No need to waste time again. Shout out to Prize Picks Powered by a few by Prize Picks. Prize Fix Gear.

[Flip]

Salute. Salute.

[Joe Budden]

Salute. Salute. Salute. Let's get right to it. Where you want to start?

[Ice]

Starting with the Grammys, man.

[Joe Budden]

Want to start. You know where we starting?

[Melissa Ford]

I thought you say, which part of the Grammys do you want to start with?

[Ish]

It was a blood bath, man.

[Parks]

Well, first of all, that was the first time in a really long time that I actually watched the entire telecast the entire way through. So it was a really good production.

[Joe Budden]

It was.

[Parks]

I do have to say that pre.

[Ice]

Telecast the whole way through on the stream and then turned to television.

[Melissa Ford]

I do want to say they should do a better job of advertising the pre telecast. Cause that's a lot of the awards that we actually care about, for sure. And there's moments that happen in that, too, that are noteworthy of being watched.

[Ice]

I do, like, this year. Well, I don't know if they've done it before, but I saw it this year. They had. If you scan the QR code, it put, like, the runner show up there. So you were able to see who's. Who's presenting and what awards they're going to present and what performances there were in order so you could, like, check in. Like, all right, this is happening. I know. What I want to see is a.

[Melissa Ford]

Little bit in the opera section. I can.

[Ice]

Yeah, go do something else. Once I saw Jimmy Jam, walked out there. All right, here we go. This is what I need to see.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

So this is where Chris.

[Joe Budden]

I was watching the pre show on E. Yeah, I was watching the regular red carpet.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I was watching first. Because that's like, oh, I could find, like, advertised or whatever people post now. It's like, okay, I guess I'll watch this. And then I went to the website and saw the other shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And I was like, okay, cool, I'll watch my laptop. And then I was like, let me see if it's on YouTube, buried somewhere and it was on there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, what?

[Ice]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I just watched straight on the stream.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just saying they should. They should make that a little bit more clear.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. Do y'all want to start with some winners and congratulate people, or should I just go right to my notes?

[Melissa Ford]

Hit the notes, big dog.

[Flip]

I'm happy for Breezy, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely happy for Breezy.

[Melissa Ford]

Gotta be.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I just been tweeting about that Chris Brown. Let me hit the round of the floor. You got the breeze? Yeah, I don't know.

[Ice]

No, I said I wore my Chris Brown shirt.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

It's a round of applause for Chris Brown.

[Ice]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

He deserves finally winning best R B album of the year.

[Ice]

And he beat out some heavyweights.

[Joe Budden]

Well deserved.

[Ish]

I thought Usher might deserve.

[Ice]

I would have blew out of shot my tv.

[Ish]

But that's how the Grammys be working, though, you know? Yeah. I was really expecting Usher to win that.

[Joe Budden]

I thought.

[Ice]

I thought they would. I thought Lucky Day might get it.

[Ish]

That's another Grammy, baby.

[Melissa Ford]

That was a good album, too. Too.

[Ice]

It was a great album.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ice]

So.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Ish]

But Chris Brown deserved it.

[Joe Budden]

He did.

[Ice]

I think he deserved the award. Before that, he was nominated for best R B performance for Residuals, which.

[Melissa Ford]

That's the one that you were.

[Ice]

That's the one. Yeah. I didn't even think he had a chance on. Honestly, for R B album. I didn't think they would do that. I. Residuals is a. Is a smash record, though. It's heavy radio play. Like, the song is everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

So I just knew he would win the award for that one. If the Grammys are at the point where they're trying to change things now.

[Melissa Ford]

They seem to be.

[Ice]

But money long ended up winning for the BET live version of her record.

[Melissa Ford]

So I was like, oh, that's interesting.

[Ice]

It was very interesting to me. But the very.

[Joe Budden]

She did smoke that performance.

[Melissa Ford]

She did.

[Joe Budden]

She did a really good.

[Melissa Ford]

I just didn't know that live performances were eligible for individual awards in this manner.

[Parks]

Is it a new category?

[Ice]

No, no.

[Melissa Ford]

I guess it was army performance. It was released, so. But it was after the fact. I don't know. Whatever.

[Ice]

She's released multiple live versions of that song. So there's the BET version and then there's another version she's done. So, yeah, this one was Grammy eligible and won. And congratulations to her friend.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, she's amazing.

[Ish]

So.

[Ice]

But then they did the R B album and he beat out Lucky Day, Usher, Layla Hathaway. Like he beat out some. Some names. I stood up, I was cheering in the crib. I went and got me a bottle. I felt like you a Chris Brown.

[Ish]

Fan like that or you just thought.

[Joe Budden]

He got you pop some more? Oh, yeah. No, he.

[Flip]

No.

[Ice]

Yes. I don't play.

[Flip]

We love Breezy.

[Ice]

I don't play.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Ice]

Yeah, I don't play same.

[Joe Budden]

But Ice probably has me beat.

[Ish]

Yeah, I like him. I just popping no bottles for him.

[Melissa Ford]

Ice goes for me.

[Ish]

I appreciate his talents.

[Joe Budden]

If it wasn't for that.

[Ish]

Relax.

[Joe Budden]

If it wasn't for that very dark Grammy night ages ago, we would be singing a different story about Chris Brown, who he is. I would like to see Chris Brown at the Grammys at some point.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, they need.

[Ice]

They could have used them this year.

[Ish]

Yeah, but for that Michael Jackson.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we'll get to it. Okay. No, no, I was saying. Did you finish?

[Ice]

No, I just. I was just happy. Like, I felt. I felt like I won the fucking Grammy. I was dead ass. And a lot of Chris Brown fans, fans that I talked to, we all felt the same way. Like, yo, they album finally. He's had amazing projects. So it's like. But you always get overlooked. Sometimes you don't even get nominated. I think it was just a good feeling. So congratulations to him. The whole team. Breezy like this was. This was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Very first on my notes is. Oh, they playing with Babyface. N. Yeah. That was crazy.

[Ish]

That was ugly.

[Melissa Ford]

That was disgusting.

[Joe Budden]

That was a key. Here we go.

[Parks]

Pop and. And rock as well.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I think.

[Ish]

Interesting. You guys want to do that? Go do that.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, was I sick to my stomach watching this. While I'm in my clips. I'll just play their apology. Did you play.

[Ice]

Did you see before that.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry about interrupting Baby Face. Wait, let me play. The apology Chapel round had come up and there was a lot of. Actually the apology.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Even prior. Like that clip started a little late. Before that, they were talking to him and they asked him about what does he think about the resurgence of women in. In R B and about this new sound. This new sound of R B that's kind of fusing.

[Parks]

Yeah, that was the question that she was. She was in.

[Ice]

But I'm just saying in the clip.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Ice]

You asking Baby Face this dog like I'm the reason for this.

[Parks]

He's the architect.

[Ish]

Yeah, he wrote wait next time.

[D.C.]

Oh, man.

[Ice]

I was. I was, I was, I was.

[Parks]

They were out of their depth. They were out of their time. They were out of their depth. But. So it was two girls. The one that was actually posing the question. When she heard her counterpart calling for Chapel, she was. She elbowed her and looked completely mortified. So, like they're both being crucified. But it really was like the idiot with the gray dress on who's like, oh, my God, Chapel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was just, you know, and.

[Ice]

You just talked about that you did on the pod. You literally just talked about how they.

[Flip]

Did that, how they did it on the red carpet.

[Joe Budden]

Because those red carpets get a little tricky. And if you've ever been on one, both as an artist and as a reporter, it's a lot going on. It is a lot going on. So I want to extend that grace to these two music, deaf white people that did this interview and the ap. I thought this was totally disrespectful.

[Flip]

Extremely.

[Joe Budden]

But par the course for what happens on. On a red carpet. But to interrupt Babyface, 12 time Grammy Award winning recording artist, songwriter, producer, over 800 million records sold. Produce, fucking. We all gotta run Babyface resume up here. We maybe do.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, maybe we do.

[Joe Budden]

We maybe do. Maybe some people don't know we old. Yeah, I'll just say. 125 top 10 hits, 45 number one R B hits, 16 number one pop hits like Baby Face is Baby Face. And I am. Put some. I am putting some of this onus on him. I am.

[Parks]

What do you mean you don't talk.

[Joe Budden]

Don't talk to them. Why are you talking to them now? I put it on all of us. Cause if they invited me to the Grammy red carpet to talk to the people that are legends, that music people know are legends, I wouldn't go like, I wouldn't do it. And the Grammys are not inviting people that know about music really on the red carpet to speak to these people. And Babyface wanna get in front of the camera or the microphone of platforms that he may not typically be in front of, but he shouldn't be talking to them. You Babyface at all times. You Babyface.

[Parks]

But he's also extremely gracious. And we really saw that when that whole kerfuffle was going on between him and Anita Baker when she was on tour. So he's just known to be a very gracious man. That's number one and number two, this Grammys was particularly important just because of what happened in la, the wildfire. So they really. That was front and center, you know, donations to everybody that had lost in the wildfire. So la.

[Joe Budden]

What do they have to do with Babyface talking to AP and these two white people?

[Parks]

Meaning you asked why he was even there, and I was, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Not while he was there.

[Ish]

Why are you talking to them?

[Joe Budden]

Why are you there speaking to these?

[Ish]

Like, Beyonce ain't stopping him in the red car.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And my counterpoint to number one. Wait, what was number one again? Say it again.

[Parks]

Is that he's a very gracious man.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I think that that's performative. Okay, that's performative. If you watch Babyface versus Teddy Riley, you know who Babyface is, how he feels about himself, his catalog, his discography, and you peons out there. But all of that being nice is humble artist. Even how he ended this. Oh, you want to do that? Go do that. Like, Baby Face is slick with it. Behind the scenes. Even that. He said to Anita Baker, humble, gracious, all of that. Performative. But you know how you feel about Anita Baker. For real.

[Parks]

But that's.

[Joe Budden]

But in our 35 years.

[Parks]

But that's what Grace is. Is even when you know exactly who the you are, you are still. You're not braggadocious about, you know, who the fuck I am. No, that is what Grace is. When you know exactly who you are and you choose to give a muted response, that's what Grace is. That's number one. And number two, just because these two young girls, you know, I get it by on site, but Associated Press is an extraordinarily respectable media outlet. That is why he would have stopped to talk.

[Joe Budden]

Are they Babyface?

[Parks]

I'm not trying to make it, I'm speaking. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I'm just fighting with me. I'm not fighting with you. I'm just talking.

[Parks]

I know. I'm just making a point as to why he would have. These two girls aren't just like, hi, this is our blog. They're with the Associated Press, you know, and that is a very respectable, long running media outlet. So that is. So that's why he would have stopped to talk. And it's also, you already know how red carpets are. It's a row. So he was probably making his way down the row. You can look at the things on the floor to see who everybody is. You're like, I can skip that. You know, have a publicist kind of shooing you along. Oh, Ben face. We got Associated Press over here. And you kind of get maneuvered along. That's how it happens. So that's probably how he ended up there. But also, oh, it's okay. It's Associated Press. This makes sense for me to stop and talk to you.

[Ish]

I can see why?

[Joe Budden]

He's saying that he shouldn't have.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying he shouldn't have.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Ice]

You said he shouldn't have done the red carpet at all.

[Ish]

Is there anybody you think he should stop for?

[Joe Budden]

Maybe. I just don't feel like Babyface should ever appear to be on the new act Stroll. There's really no need for Babyface to be talking to AP right now.

[Ice]

So I'm asking you, do you think he should have. He should have stopped and talked to anybody on the red carpet or just if done the red carpet.

[Melissa Ford]

There was a vet there, I guess. I think it's speak to the situation.

[Joe Budden]

Speak to the music outlets that sent knowledgeable people to do this, not just needed a presence there, because it's the Grammys, and now we gonna disrespect some of the kings and queens of black music.

[Ish]

So, like, if Rolling Stone is on a carpet, maybe do that, but not if they sent.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody knows music. It's like you going to Rolling Stone and the person that you're sitting with mispronounce your name. That's what it is, the equivalent.

[Ice]

But you wouldn't know that that person is gonna mispronounce your name until they do it. One, two. If it's just mom and Pop publication, you're not going at all. But because it's Rolling Stone. All right, I'll go there. That's kind of what you said. Because it's ap. All right, cool. I'll stop here. Now, you realize this is a doof and don't know what the fuck they talking about? Go do that.

[D.C.]

But.

[Ish]

Which is a problem, too, because AP has music reporters. AP has a department. They wanted a few news organizations that didn't shrink the way everybody else did. They just chose the cheat. They went on the cheap. They got young white girls who were fanning out over chapel room and who had no professionalism at all.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Ish]

And I've worked a lot of red. Not a lot. I've worked a decent amount of red carpets as an interviewer. And sometimes you do get stuck with the not stuck. You get the person who you like, and then you see out of the corner of your eye this person who you'll get a raise if you get. Or the person you keep your job and for them, chaperone is that person and Babyface is not. But what you do is you phase out the interview. You change the question, you pivot, or you cut them short in a way that doesn't look like you cut them short.

[Joe Budden]

This white girl Was ducking and maneuvering while Baby Face is talking. Looking all doofy in the face, this girl. Yeah, she was.

[Melissa Ford]

She wasn't even the one doing the interview. She could have very easily went over and tried to recruit.

[Ish]

That's what she should have done for the.

[Joe Budden]

And then to just scream out, chapel, Chapel.

[Ice]

That was a lot of talking.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I think number one is Cap. I don't think Beyonce is talking to nobody that's going to call her a different name or that's going to not know her projects or that's going to not know what she's been up to.

[Flip]

She wouldn't know. You wouldn't know, man.

[Joe Budden]

Babyface is Babyface. I don't want to hear this shit. Babyface is damn near on the fucking Rushmore. Yeah, the Mount Rushmore of music, especially R B music songwriters.

[Ish]

Definitely is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's true.

[Ice]

That's true.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ice]

Because if Beyonce's doing a sit down interview with Rolling Stone, she knows who that interviewer is before they.

[Parks]

Yes, there's a lot of checks and balances that will happen during that time. This is a red carpet. It's frenzy.

[Ice]

Totally different.

[Joe Budden]

You know, that shit happened to Glorilla. That should happen to a new act. That should not happen to Babyface.

[Parks]

Well, the craziest shit is exactly because of how young they were. And that's what a lot of these publications are doing. They're sending out, you know, people. They're sending out kids, basically, who might have, like, a strong presence online because of their blogs and stuff like that. But they're not journalists. They're not music journalists. And they don't have, like, you know, an encyclopedic kind of memory or knowledge about who everybody is.

[Ice]

They might have heard your name.

[Parks]

Exactly. But they're not going to understand the power of Babyface. Like you just said when you were running down his accomplishments. You just said we're old. They are not. So they probably. They do not know the impact of the man that was standing in front. They know the name, but they do not know the impact. They know it fucking now.

[Joe Budden]

Half of you, and maybe they still don't. Half of y'all out there was probably born and conceived to Babyface.

[Flip]

Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

Baby Face. Disrespectful will not be tolerated by music lovers, especially black music lovers. What's next on my list? Trevor Noah is talking really fast in the opening. Okay, listen, my notes. I was watching and just writing.

[Ice]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

He did sound like he was on Adderall to me during the opening.

[Ish]

He seemed Nervous to me. Like, not nervous like I've never been here before, but nervous like, you know, he don't do it every day anymore. He was rushing his jokes a little bit because I thought they were funny, but they were like.

[Joe Budden]

They were fast. Yeah, they were very. It was fast. I mean, I thought he did a good job, but it was rushed. And I would like Jesse Collins, shout out to Jesse and everybody that put these awards. Put these awards together. But it is time for y'all to consider new host options. It is.

[Ice]

They playing it safe, bro.

[Parks]

I like Trevor, but I do like Trevor.

[Ice]

I do, too.

[Joe Budden]

I'd like to see Cardi B, host of Grammys. Just think out the box. It's always Trevor. It's always Kevin, it's always Chris Rock. It's always Tahaji. It's always playing the same. It's the same people. Yeah, the Safe Blacks. Yeah. Trevor is like King Safe Black. All right, all right. Let's get this party started with some Cheryl Crow in the Doors opening number.

[Melissa Ford]

That open number suck.

[Joe Budden]

Who was that?

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know. I don't remember the name of the group.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get this Grammy party started.

[Melissa Ford]

They brought out John Legend and Brittany Howard. It was like a little.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. John Legend was there.

[Ice]

Oh, no, no, no. That was. So that's one of my notes. John Legend was there all day. Like, the pre show that I was watching that started at, like, 2:00. He was there, and he was, like, the only celebrity that was there that early. So every award, you know, they gotta show somebody. They just kept showing John Legend.

[Joe Budden]

John Legend. I was like, dog reminds me of, like, me coming up as a rapper trying to find a cipher. In any Jersey hood, John Legend is gonna find a singing cipher if there is one.

[Melissa Ford]

Or Piano Cipher, if he has to.

[Joe Budden]

Or Piano Cipher. You're absolutely right. He found Sheryl Crow in the Doors.

[Melissa Ford]

It wasn't the Doors.

[Joe Budden]

I saw until y'all tell me who that was. That was the Doors.

[Melissa Ford]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

All right. But she got this party started. So when that happened, I'm thinking to myself, okay, same old.

[Melissa Ford]

I thought, no. When I saw that little performance, I was like, oh, this music might not be that good tonight.

[Joe Budden]

I went and grabbed a vacuum.

[Parks]

Okay, I got it.

[Joe Budden]

I started vacuuming over the Doors.

[Ish]

It was Sheryl, not the Doors, man.

[Parks]

It was Sheryl crow, Brittany Howard St. Vincent, who ends up. Who ends up winning an award later on.

[Melissa Ford]

She won, like, 50,000 awards in that pre ceremony.

[Parks]

Oh, okay. Taylor and Griffin Goldsmith of Dawes, Brad Paisley, who's a country artist, and John Legend. So that was this. And they were singing I love la, which is a Randy Newman song in a tribute to.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's awesome. If I had a lasso and knew how to use it, I would have yanked them off the stairs.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, she stuck.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

That was in the sandman out there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was horrible. Bring it back to.

[Melissa Ford]

I get the sentiment, but that was that stoke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, it even made the vacuum noise sound bad back when that was a mess. And I'm thinking to myself, well, oh, boy, here we go. Same old Grammy. Whitewashed, just soulless, sauceless.

[Flip]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

But I did vacuum. Let's see. I knew Kanye wasn't invited. I knew Kanye wasn't invited.

[Melissa Ford]

So he just crashed the party?

[Ice]

No, he crashed the red carpet and left.

[Ish]

And then left.

[Joe Budden]

He got to the red carpet with his naked wife.

[Flip]

Oh, God.

[Joe Budden]

Did the red carpet and left.

[Ice]

Got back in the car and left.

[Joe Budden]

And while he was doing that, I'm talking to my girl. I'm like, no way he was invited there. Nobody knew he wasn't invited there. Was he nominated for anything? No. Yes. Yes.

[Parks]

Was he?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Carnival was nominated.

[Ish]

Yeah, he had one nomination.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, so he was invited.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So there was a rumor that he got, like, asked to leave, and then they bumped it and said that he actually was allowed to be there. I don't think they expected him on a red carpet, though. It was clear they didn't expect him on the red carpet.

[Ice]

No, they didn't expect her on the red carpet.

[Ish]

Like, they did not. I feel sorry for her, man.

[Joe Budden]

Why? Why? Oh, let me see how you pull this one off.

[Ish]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying, like, she's. She looks like she's in a cult. Whenever I look at her, she don't look like. She looks like. She's not all the way there. That's what I get, like, cult member vibes from her. That's all. And I worry about her. That's all.

[Joe Budden]

That's the look that women get when you make eight and nine figures.

[Ish]

Oh, is that. I wouldn't know. Is that the look?

[Flip]

So I'm assuming that Kanye would be the cult leader. Yes.

[Ish]

Yeah. Yeah. And be clear. I'm not blaming Kanye. I'm saying that Kanye got his stuff. I feel sorry for Kanye in a lot of ways. I worry about him. Like, when I saw his tweets, when I saw his. All his social media stuff, I was like, he might be backing. Either he got an album coming out or he's not in a good space. And when I see her, I feel like this is somebody else who's not in a good space when I saw it. But to walk down that carpet, take off. Take off your coat, be butt ass naked, basically, and then walk back on, that's not normal people shit.

[Joe Budden]

You know what's funny about that?

[Flip]

Is it.

[Joe Budden]

But. And I thought this when I saw them two on the red carpet and people were tweeting and sharing their opinion, which mirrored yours somewhat. I think a lot of people totally miss that. At least a third of Kanye's discography is about his porn addiction.

[Ish]

Yes, that's real.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I think he was able to do that, like, very subtly to where nobody notices. Most of what he talks about is a sex addiction and a porn addiction. And when you keep that in the forefront of your mind, everything makes sense.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[Flip]

Why when it comes to a black man doing it, it has to be something wrong with him. But when the white lady came up there dressed like a fucking meatloaf, it's just Lady Gaga doing shit that ain't right. Nothing wrong with that nigga. He just went to control the walls. There's nothing wrong with him. He went to go troll. Fuck you, niggas. I'm here. I'm Kanye Western. I'm leave. I got my naked white girlfriend. Here we go. Do what we want. When Lady Gaga got here, there's a.

[Melissa Ford]

Little bit of a difference. First of all, the white people thought and still think to this day that Lady Gaga is a little off.

[Flip]

Yeah, but they didn't treat it like that.

[Melissa Ford]

Treated like what?

[Flip]

They didn't treat it like how my man saying it. They. Oh, she. She's going to. Something wrong with her. They just like, that's Lady Gaga doing what Lady Gaga does.

[Ish]

Lady Gaga is also an artist and a celebrity and a creative, and Kanye west is also. I'm talking about Bianca. Sorry, I'm not talking about Kanye. I'm talking about her.

[Flip]

But you said that got you.

[Parks]

So basically, she's his prop, is what you're saying. So whatever his creative thought. Whatever his creative thought is. She's. She's.

[Ish]

And that's the problem for me.

[Flip]

I mean, I don't understand.

[Ice]

Kim was his prop. Like, that's what he doing.

[Joe Budden]

She's a voluntary problem.

[Ish]

As long as it's being used to manipulate it. I'm just saying. I don't. I don't like looking at it. I'm just. I'm not. Again, I'm not blaming. I'm not making a judgment. I'm just saying I don't like it, bro.

[Ice]

Kanye's an attention seeker. He knows when I hit this carpet, what can I do to make everybody say, oh, Kanye, they're talking about me.

[Parks]

So why does he.

[Joe Budden]

For years.

[Parks]

Well, why doesn't he just come naked?

[Ice]

Because I don't have to look at her.

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Look at her.

[Ice]

I always have a heart nobody wants to see.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, we'd rather see you.

[Flip]

And that's what she's there for.

[Ice]

And Kanye's been attention seeking since day one.

[Parks]

It's getting gross.

[Flip]

Every.

[Ice]

Every girl that I've had, I bring them up here. Amber, look at her. We're gonna go up here with the Henny bottle, all of this. So you look at her, Kim, you're looking at her. I'm making. This is my. I'm an artist, and this is my quote unquote art. I want y'all to look at also. This is the it place to be in the music business right now.

[Joe Budden]

So who's.

[Ice]

Who is here?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Ice]

I have to find a way that my name is the talk while all of y'all are here. That's what he do.

[Parks]

Well, if he showed up naked, then that would definitely get everybody talking, rather than having her as a prop.

[Ice]

We talking about it right now. When she showed up naked.

[Parks]

Facts. Facts. Didn't really want to. And. And also, where's the lip readers? Because they had an exchange right before she turned around and took that coat off. And I'm just trying to find out what they said, because it did not look like she was like, okay, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

About to do it.

[Parks]

She looked. It looked like an exchange.

[Ice]

And I'm gonna tell you, you said you didn't want to. A couple of them. Some nice titties she had. So we was all right.

[Joe Budden]

We weren't complaining about it.

[Parks]

Listen, I will give credit words. They're gorgeous.

[Ice]

Titties wasn't bad.

[Parks]

They are beautiful.

[Melissa Ford]

Hard to not look at the titties. They're right there.

[Ish]

I must say, that's kind of funny, all that. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No. Even when my girl was like, oh, my God, where's her left? I didn't look. I did not look.

[Parks]

Yeah, it looked like her.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see nobody's wife being. Being paraded around like that. Like, that's not.

[Ish]

That's all I would say.

[Joe Budden]

It's not my bag.

[Ish]

That's what I'm sure. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But I'm not lost as to why it's happening.

[Ish]

Oh, I know why it's happening.

[Joe Budden]

And he does have a project coming.

[Melissa Ford]

He does.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It all tracks. Like I said, I'm not. I'm not surprised.

[Ice]

You know how some be cucks. Like, he could be a public cuck. He could be some shit. Where I want y'all looking at my girlfriend.

[Joe Budden]

That could be a ballot. Y'all better go listen to Kanye West's lyrics. Talking about some college dropout. If we didn't have a lot to get to, I would play all of these songs where he's telling you this, but he's telling us first verse of Runaway. The whole life of Pablo Project. His verse on Watch the Throne. Like, they're all, hey, this is what I'm on. Yeah, sorry, freak ball. Listen to lyrics more. Let's see, back to these notes. Cheryl Crow. Kanye. Why was Billie Eilish dressed like that?

[Melissa Ford]

I had the same note. I was trying to think of what she was dressed like, and I still can't figure it out.

[Parks]

Like a page boy or now like a male that was hanging out the.

[Melissa Ford]

Skate park in 1990.

[D.C.]

That's her bag.

[Parks]

Yeah, that is her bag.

[Melissa Ford]

So it, like, wasn't skating.

[Parks]

Yeah, she's always androgynously dressed.

[Ice]

She got some titties, and she don't want y'all looking at them. Hey, girl, I don't want y'all to sexualize me.

[Joe Budden]

Biden is out. All right. Hey, Trump. Hey, Trump. Trump is in now. Hey, wear the girl clothes.

[Flip]

You can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's fucked up. No, no, no, that's fucked up.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm saying get dressed. Get dressed like you fucking nominated for album of the year.

[Melissa Ford]

One of the best artists.

[Parks]

Or that she's Billy fucking Eilish and I'll show up how the I want.

[Ice]

And I awards before. Dressed like this.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[D.C.]

Wait, wait.

[Joe Budden]

That was when Biden was in.

[Flip]

Who gives a.

[Joe Budden]

You won when Biden was in dressed like a Cabbage Patch Kid. Now is not. Now is not the time. Sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

She looks like she hopped right out the Honda Civic.

[Flip]

Yeah, the Japanese version.

[Joe Budden]

So she get up there with her brother. They do this little light FM yacht rock slap. That's a slap, too.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a slap, though.

[Joe Budden]

It's a slap.

[Melissa Ford]

She's fired.

[Joe Budden]

She is fire. I mean, just.

[D.C.]

What would drive her with.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not a stylist.

[D.C.]

I'm saying, just what?

[Flip]

Don't trap him.

[Parks]

He just said, trump's in office dressed like a girl.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he said.

[Parks]

That's what he just said.

[Ice]

Careful.

[Joe Budden]

That was a joke. Melissa Ford.

[Ish]

Oh, God.

[D.C.]

You know what I mean?

[Parks]

That's what he just said.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was a joke. The person that made the joke is telling you the joke. You about to piss me off. Not even 30 minutes into this, I see what you on. Stop it. Jesus. No, I would like her to dress like she was nominated for album of the year, whatever that is.

[D.C.]

That first year she had that skateboard P on.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not skateboard P.

[Joe Budden]

Then I tried to turn the TV all the way up to hear what her brother was giving on the mic next to. With the little guitar. None of them little background. He was the lowest background vocal I heard the whole night. But shout it up. Shout out to Billy Island. She looked great. And all that skateboard piece she had on. Whatever.

[Ice]

Hey, and what the are you wearing about Jaden Smith?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Cuz I didn't even write him down. I did not even write that down.

[Parks]

Does anybody know what the castle on his head was supposed to or house?

[Ice]

They told me he was a house.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Ice]

So that's what they said? I don't know.

[Ish]

It was a house.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, is that what was happening?

[Flip]

This thing is crazy.

[Ice]

No, I didn't know they said that.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Ice]

They kept. It was like, yo, you don't get it. He's a house. Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

It was a few stylists that should be fired. Jaden Smith is one of them.

[Ice]

He did that himself.

[Joe Budden]

But we give grace.

[Ice]

That was him.

[Joe Budden]

Because he grew up with fucking August Alsina in him. Who knows what he's seen? Oh, shit. We kind of just assume Jaden Smith to be a little different.

[Melissa Ford]

If your best friend. If your best friend takes down your mom.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T fuck you up psychologically.

[Parks]

But on the flip side, Willow looked fantastic on that carpet.

[Ish]

She did.

[Melissa Ford]

I was here. I believe it, though.

[Parks]

She looked beautiful.

[Melissa Ford]

And she had a great album last year.

[Joe Budden]

So I want to know if they had the same room growing up. No, man, you don't know. How many other rooms was the dungeon?

[Flip]

You don't know. You don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I promise you.

[Flip]

Then they got enough money to get 15 done.

[Melissa Ford]

They had their own pool houses.

[Joe Budden]

And no, it was Jada's dungeons. That. All right, moving on, ice. Back to the notes. Back to the notes. Look at this. A white lady tap dance dancing. Oh, I was bugging that night. What? Who. Who is that? Sabrina Carpenter.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

I love Sabrina Carpenter, though. She killed it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so go ahead and do that first.

[Ish]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

You know.

[Ish]

No, go ahead and do that. Okay, you do that. I'm just saying salute to her. She won what awarded. She won best, though.

[Joe Budden]

No, you don't even know.

[Ish]

I love her best pop.

[Joe Budden]

Something a white.

[Ish]

She wanted the big pop. She won a big pop on the big pop award. For a very good album. For a very good album. A great album, actually.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't listen to it.

[Ish]

So Sabrina Carlton, you heard Espresso though. You knew, like the big hit. Yeah, she. I mean, this is her fifth album and she kind of. She was. Y'all don't know. She was in Girl Meets World. She was like a Disney kind of star that actually like Hannah more than Hannah Montana, I would say actually became an actual legitimate musician and she made a great album. And she's a. She's a legit pop star and I think she's got a big future and I think.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, Hannah Montana is Miley Cyrus?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

As I said, she's the same trajectory in terms of going from like, sure, sure. Being like a TV kid to get.

[Joe Budden]

Confusing because they don't really change the white pop star prototype.

[Ish]

Right. She's just a lot more.

[Joe Budden]

They all kind of rehash each other.

[D.C.]

Yeah, don't do that.

[Ish]

I like Miley Cyrus, but I'm saying Sabrina is much, much better at making pop records and making pop hits. Listen to the album. Just listen to the album.

[Joe Budden]

I will.

[Melissa Ford]

But Miley's got mad hits.

[Ish]

I'm not questioning her hit making ability. I don't like the albums. Some pop albums are just like hit machines. And she's Hannah Montana. So you're going to sell records. I'm saying Sabrina Carpenter, she never was on tv and you just put that album on. I think you would like it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Sabrina Carpenter is dope. Like a lot of the great white hypes, like the ones that sell all the records that they got all the stocking at the labels, they are dope and talented. So my note here is not to say anything disparaging about her. This is the white pop acts as a whole. When you finish with your amazing vocals and the amazing backdrop and the choreo and all that. And then it's the break in the song where you gotta do something saucy for the audience.

[Ish]

Don't do the kickball change, dog.

[Joe Budden]

That was the stiffest tap dancing I ever seen out of a pop star. You know, the audience trying to front for. No, she's not. No, she was not. It was stiff that needed what's the name of that oil you put on the door. Sabrina carver denitas in WD40. And she ain't the only white to do.

[Melissa Ford]

She had to turn up the swing of the NPC a little bit.

[Ice]

Yeah, but.

[Joe Budden]

But she killed. She killed.

[Flip]

She. She won best Pop Vocal.

[Joe Budden]

Wait till y'all see Gregory Hines when y'all get a loaded up. Oh, my God.

[Flip]

She won best pop solo performance and best Pop Vocal Album.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Shout out to Sabrina.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Shout out to the white lady tap dancer. Go ahead, Sabrina. Okay.

[Flip]

We sell out sometime.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see. Doshi wins. Doshi wins. Get this Cardi lady out the way. Yes, Cardi. This is what a woman rapping. Yo, Coach Cardi trying to stand there. Oh, girl. Make room for a girl that raps still. Oh, I don't care if y'all not comfortable. I wrote notes.

[D.C.]

We see.

[Joe Budden]

So Cardi. And it made sense for Cardi to introduce her because only three women and yada, yada, yada. I was super happy for Doshi. Same.

[Parks]

Absolutely so happy.

[Ish]

I loved her speech.

[D.C.]

The speech was crazy.

[Parks]

Their speech was great. The same reaction that you had to Chris Brown. Same reaction I had to Dochi winning because that was a loaded fucking category with heavy weights.

[Joe Budden]

It was.

[Parks]

And she was the only woman nominated. I was so happy for her. Like, so happy.

[Ish]

And it well deserved. She deserved it too, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

And there's a lot of talk out there about who deserved their award and who didn't. I'm not here to do that. Everybody that won, that was probably one of the greatest nights of their lives.

[Melissa Ford]

Her.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not here to try to rain on that parade at all, though she did the work. If you watch these artists, I say it every year, Grammy time. If you watch them during the year, you could see who's doing the Grammy prep work. That's true. Yeah. Though she's been on every stage in front of every interview. She's been. She's been.

[D.C.]

And she's killing the interview.

[Ice]

She's dominated.

[Joe Budden]

She's done it correctly.

[Ice]

She killing tiny desk. Everything she's done.

[Joe Budden]

And her album was absolutely fire. If it gets to the music. You have a hard time picking any one of those albums as head and shoulders greater than hers. I don't. I don't. I don't see that. I don't see that. Congratulations to Dolce. And in hindsight, now that you see how the night went, to the people that are saying she didn't deserve whatever. Hey, let's pretend you Write. Once you see how the night went.

[Ice]

The right one was there. Right there.

[Joe Budden]

They let you know. They let you know right there. This is a game about leverage. Who you know, who you work with, who backs you. Once you seen Kendrick doing the rack up, you could have heard the phone call in your head. Between TDE and the Grammy board.

[Melissa Ford]

We skipped it because it's going to be a whole thing. But the rack up started early. That started at 1:00pm Eastern Standard Time, like.

[Joe Budden]

Sure did. Actually. Let's rewind a little bit because this was a giveaway for me too. They showed Lucien a lot and early. More than I was used to.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I can't say that. I can't say that I've seen a Grammys where he was highlighted. The way he was at the table in the opening.

[Ish]

Yeah. And all throughout I saw him giving Dr. Dre a high five.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, slow down, slow down.

[Ice]

No, we don't get to that.

[Joe Budden]

We're getting to the high five. But yeah, that was a sign of things to come. Let's see what else we got here. Doshi wins. Congratulations to her. Oh, should Cardi be scared of what that symbolizes? That's what I wrote here.

[D.C.]

I don't think so, no.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, for sure. 100%. Doshi winning is why it's hard for some people to catch a hit right now with whatever your old formula was. It is symbolic of the year that we've had in hip hop with like rappers rapping and dropping certain trends that were in a few years ago not being all the way. And now Doshi winning and them making sure she won symbolizes a turn, a change of things to come.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree with you when I put on my optimist glasses, but I do think there is a separation between awards and critical response versus commercial response.

[D.C.]

Thousand percent.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not sure that Cardi or her people give a fuck if she wins a Grammy if she sells a bazillion.

[Ish]

Fucking singles, which I think she will.

[D.C.]

Not just that, like, it's like saying Killer Mike won last year. Right. That didn't spearhead where hip hop really went this year. I just think that some of the heavy hitter commercial people, I can argue, kind of did. They didn't drop. Who didn't drop the heavy hitter commercial. They didn't see.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about all the people that rap and are typically overshadowed by all the commercial monsters.

[D.C.]

The monsters didn't come out. That's what I was trying to say.

[Joe Budden]

Like, but that's kind of my point too. Like the music business still has to run when your A level acts don't drop. True.

[D.C.]

So now the B level or C level, no disrespect to nobody calling them B or C. But now they get the opportunity to get some shine.

[Joe Budden]

It's all in terms of priority. Label priority. Not. Not talent, talent or skill. Not talent.

[Parks]

But then also think about what happened this year. A lot of this year was taken up about with Kendrick and Drake. Who the wanted to drop in the middle of all that?

[Joe Budden]

Me or.

[D.C.]

If I'm a heavy hitter, I don't give a what they doing.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta call Gazi. Get this Empire. He's crazy. The first came fast as hell for February.

[Melissa Ford]

I sure did.

[Joe Budden]

Oh yeah. Nah, New Year's was the other day. Some bullshit shit happened fast. That shit happened fast. All right, we'll take a quick break. Cause it's my favorite part of the show.

[Flip]

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[Joe Budden]

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[Ish]

Safe bet.

[Joe Budden]

Give me Jalen Hurts for a rushing tud. Yes. I'm taking it.

[Ice]

Little push.

[Joe Budden]

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[Melissa Ford]

We'll see.

[Ish]

That just scares me.

[Joe Budden]

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[Ice]

Yep. One thing we was talking about with Doshi winning, because she did win rap album of the year.

[Joe Budden]

Big Doshi friend of the show.

[Ice]

Absolutely. And y'all were saying how, you know, you think her winning could kind of shift. Shift hip hop or something? I don't think so.

[D.C.]

Nah.

[Ice]

And I say that because I'm looking here. Once they changed the eligibility and Chance won that award and in 2017, the rap album of the year category has had a lot of obscure, not really commercial. You know the winners. Chance won 2017. Now granted, damn won 2018. Cardi B, 2019. But Tyler for Igor was 2020. NAS and hit boy King's disease was 2021. Tyler, call me if you get lost was 2022. So it's like it's not the super commercial album. Okay, but now look at who he was. Look at the. Even the nomination.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, good point.

[Ice]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm just saying, I think this is a great point.

[Ice]

Even. Even the nominees, like, you know, we had J elect Royce the five nine, Freddie Gibbs.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ice]

No disrespect to anybody, but these are not your big commercial acts.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Ice]

You're nominated in the Grammy category for best rap album.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

So how much.

[Ice]

I don't think that changes anything.

[Joe Budden]

I wrote here in the notes that Grammy night is every artist talks with their team night more so than any other night in music. I don't know why I wrote that. It's probably off of the Doshi win. But that was just good to think about for me. Like, as you watch these awards and you're an actual. You gonna call your label, your team, your publicist, your somebody with a new thought, with a new idea, with some things that we could do differently to succeed differently or be recognized differently. Like a lot of talks was happening that night for sure. Especially with watching what was going on.

[Melissa Ford]

I think the next segment was the new artist segment, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, not yet. Okay, next I have this red haired white lady is the stiffest, is the stiffest choreo moving. And they cannot hide it with these dancing clowns that they got.

[Parks]

Oh, he's talking about Chapel Ron and pretty Pink Pony or Pink Pony. I don't know. Some shit.

[Joe Budden]

Again, bring out the WD Oil.

[Ish]

Pink Pony Club.

[Parks]

Pink Pony Club. Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

They tried to mask it with the clowns doing the mean type shit, but that girl cannot move a lick at all. She can't move a lick. Sounded great. Sounded great. It's just white people's movements.

[Ice]

They just ain't got it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but they keep trying to have it and they isolate. Like the. The words drop from the beat and then they get to movement and it highlights.

[D.C.]

Yeah, because they dancing to the words.

[Ice]

That's easy.

[Joe Budden]

She don't.

[Ice]

She don't got no beat.

[Joe Budden]

And I know. And I know I'm right, because as soon as that lady got off the stage, they pant to Money Long's face, which is my favorite thing in the music business. Now. That's my favorite thing. Cameras panning to Money Long's face. Money Long is thinking. Whatever I'm thinking. She look like. What the fuck is fucking kidding me?

[D.C.]

All righty.

[Joe Budden]

Bitch up here like you gotta be. She ain't even give him a slow clap. Shout out to Money Law, another friend.

[Ish]

Of the show, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Nuh. We had some Grammy winners up here. Let's see here. What do I have here? Taylor Swift looks great and is thick now in parentheses. I have Taylor Swift is Mother White. And what is the opposite of Ozempic? Because she's on it because she knows we gain weight.

[Parks]

Wait, hold on. What is Mother White?

[Joe Budden]

Hold up. Don't step on his joke. Don't step on his joke. You know that's his bag.

[Parks]

No, no, it's not. It's not grits. It's Cream of Wheat. Hey, that's the white version.

[Joe Budden]

Farina, some porridge.

[Parks]

There we go.

[Joe Budden]

Porridge.

[Flip]

She made Ice Spice lose it so she could gain it. Violent Ice Spice.

[D.C.]

That's what she did.

[Flip]

Hell yeah.

[Joe Budden]

She borrowed it. Yo, good point. Can we put an APB out on Ice Spice? Where is Ice Spice? Can we have all our people go surveil the Bronx and find this young lady that they tried to stuff in our face? And I'm only bringing it up because don't go away when your opps win all awards. She was talking slick about Doshi. Really?

[Ish]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Flip]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all just not in the know. It's fine. She was talking slick about Doshi and how this special treatment. And just because you just cause you ugly don't mean that you rap nice, whatever the fuck she was saying. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

[Parks]

How about the fact that Doshi's just wildly fucking talented and she's not ugly? That goes without saying. She's beautiful.

[Joe Budden]

Later we'll get in there. She Tore that little Tom Brown suit off. She tore that Jonelle Monet outfit off until 2 to some ass around. Definitely did. Hey, hey. Y'all want.

[D.C.]

She's skinny thing.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all want the rapper girls to be sexualized? I'll give you some of that, too. She got everything in the bag.

[Flip]

She's wonderful.

[Joe Budden]

She's in great shape.

[Flip]

She's in wonderful, great shape.

[Joe Budden]

Great, great looking woman. Great, great rapper.

[D.C.]

Yeah, my man called me about her. He was like, yo, I said she sat on the couch.

[Flip]

He said, y'all had doshi.

[D.C.]

Yeah, get Patreon.

[Flip]

Hold on. Just let you just let you know.

[Joe Budden]

Tell your man who we be. My man. Stop talking to people who don't know who the we be.

[Flip]

He was like, it's a lot of my mans in January. I just want to let you know so you won't be surprised. It's about 30 right now. All right.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, Taylor Swift looks good.

[Flip]

She did her legs.

[Parks]

I like that little.

[Flip]

It was the leg.

[Parks]

Yeah, that little.

[Joe Budden]

And the red.

[D.C.]

The red.

[Parks]

That's a nod to her boo.

[Joe Budden]

The red on that nice white, pale skin.

[Parks]

Yeah. And monochromatic.

[D.C.]

She wasn't as.

[Parks]

Boy, but she had that little leg jewelry on too. That was. That was sexy. That was sexy.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, Taylor, she look like she. She took all the money from the label this year and last year and the year for a decade.

[Flip]

You know, Kelsey got a little bit.

[D.C.]

Of swag rub off on him.

[Joe Budden]

He might have helped out looking at her that night. I understand, Travis. Kelsey might have helped out. I understand.

[D.C.]

Might have helped out.

[Joe Budden]

I'm leaving the opinionated black girl for this billionaire white girl. Maybe. What is wrong with saying that? Why can't you say that?

[D.C.]

What opinion? Ain't a black girl.

[Joe Budden]

The last girl you got it, she put the three parts in his eyebrows. They got billionaire pulled up. Sorry, ma. Sorry, Ma. One day we'll talk about who we'll leave our girls for.

[Flip]

Hey, one day you'll talk about.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, nobody. Death if I'm answering. You know what I mean? How about y'all?

[Ish]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

Same for me. Not even. This is a. This is not even. Sure.

[Ice]

I come with me and go on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they talking about, huh? These billionaires.

[Ice]

Double casket.

[Joe Budden]

Billionaire beautiful people with privileges and perks and a lifestyle that we never said them.

[D.C.]

Don't argue.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want none of that grass ain't greener cook. No, no, that grass ain't greener. Bluegrass is that new white. That new white grass. Christmas tree grass. Girl, you a nasty for making that joke. Yeah, but you knew what it was because you be white, girl. You, too. Let me see. No, I don't.

[Flip]

Here we go.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Ish]

Don't start.

[Joe Budden]

Don't start. You're not gonna start your six of them in life. You six. 600 of you.

[D.C.]

Six of them in a month.

[Joe Budden]

Like, no, not true.

[Flip]

Yo, dog, his number keep going up. Last time it was two, then it was three. Now it's six.

[D.C.]

No, then it went to, like, 13, then it came back down.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[D.C.]

Yo, you talking to me?

[Joe Budden]

There was Sarah and Britney.

[Flip]

Jenny.

[D.C.]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All righty. What do we have here? What do we have here? Beyonce. Surprised? I was not expecting this face. Needs help. It does. A few giveaways to you about to win this award. Like a. Your presence in the front row.

[Ice]

And they walked you. Walked you in.

[Parks]

She's Beyonce. She's always gonna be in the front row.

[Flip]

Correct.

[Joe Budden]

B. The way that your bodyguard stands up, like, everybody in this room is somebody true. Everybody at these tables is somebody true. Your bodyguard stand up like you still the only celebrity in the room. Which we fuck with him for. I think his name is Julian.

[D.C.]

I don't remember.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's Julian. He's been long time bodyguard. His face always give it away. Let's see. Hov's presence gives it away. In case y'all didn't know, after his.

[Melissa Ford]

Speech last year or two years ago, whatever that was.

[D.C.]

Last year.

[Ish]

Last year.

[Joe Budden]

Last year. Last year gave the speech. Even. That was great, right? It just shows you how far ahead you need to be. Like, you need to be a year out if you planning to. Planning to get this thing.

[D.C.]

I ain't get that. I got. Yo, I'm flexing my muscle like y'all been doing for decades. Y'all want me and my wife here next year.

[Joe Budden]

Make it right.

[D.C.]

See to that.

[Melissa Ford]

It's both.

[Joe Budden]

It's both. Yeah.

[D.C.]

Like it was on some. Yo Fleck. I don't give a fuck about that.

[Melissa Ford]

That's part of the. The process.

[D.C.]

Got you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. And so was Taylor presenting this award?

[D.C.]

Yes, of course, dog.

[Joe Budden]

I hadn't seen them do the Country War country award a bunch, and it wasn't so glamorous.

[D.C.]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't so glad. Tail up there in a red dress, red pumps, looking with some long legs. God.

[Parks]

But she said.

[Ish]

Taylor looked good. Y'all love some Taylor.

[Joe Budden]

No, this was my first time saying, listen, the thick whites, I might have a weakness for a little bit. The skinny white's not so much now.

[Ish]

That she's A thick white. She in the mix.

[Joe Budden]

She looked all right, man. She. She did look all right. But her presenting the. The country award is telling you, hey, this is a thing here.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a nod probably to the Kanye.

[Joe Budden]

From years ago, which she mentioned. I. Many years ago. I was on this very stage. She didn't get into the Kanye shit, but you know what she was referring to. What did y'all think about Beyonce winning the Country Award? Her speech, her everything. What did y'all think? How'd y'all feel? Congratulations to her Country Award.

[Ish]

Oh, good.

[Flip]

They're pissed off.

[D.C.]

One of the girls faces was, like, this one of the nominees.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Lainey something.

[D.C.]

No, not Lainey. It was Casey Musk.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was her.

[D.C.]

Okay, Laney's fire. But the fire, the. The Musk. Musk rat girl. She was sitting there like this. Like this is some.

[Ish]

Like this. Is that one category.

[D.C.]

This political.

[Joe Budden]

Like, this political. I don't know who the Casey Musk is. I know when they said Chris Stapleton name.

[Parks]

Yeah, she did.

[Joe Budden]

I got a little word.

[D.C.]

Who nominated.

[Joe Budden]

When they. When they said Chris Stapleton name, I was like, wait a minute.

[D.C.]

Laney's the one.

[Ice]

Yeah, I never play with that.

[Joe Budden]

Please.

[Ice]

I heard Chris.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on Chris Stapleton. Oh, wait a minute. Laney might be fired. Cool. Awesome.

[Ish]

For her.

[Joe Budden]

When they said Chris Stapleton, I was like, whoa.

[Ice]

I was like, oh, yeah, hold on now. Slow down.

[Joe Budden]

No, he ain't the one. He don't play. But she won. Was happy for her. She looked great. She did. All right, here we go. ISO out for a little bit. New artist segment. They got Trevor Noah standing there around the fancy roundtables, fresh from a commercial break. They got the spotlights on the new artists. Start with Shaboozies, my man. Looking good up there. I got it in my notes. Shaboozi, look. Fire with the little country outfit. The country tie. Killing that shit. He moved over. Teddy Swims up there. Looking good, huh? Big Teddy Swims. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. I love. I love Teddy Swims. Had him a hell of a year. And that was also telling, right? Like, the. The new artist segment, to me, was one of the best performance segments of the entire night.

[Melissa Ford]

This is my favorite part of the Grammys this year.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Even just them highlighting them in this way, they don't usually do that. They put one or two of them.

[Joe Budden]

Up there, and it's never like this. But this crop was extremely talented. It was.

[Melissa Ford]

A lot of them weren't particularly new artists, but that's a different conversation and had great years.

[Joe Budden]

So they gave me a little shaboozy. Trevor Noah stood there by the table. Table moved over, stood by Teddy Swim's table moved over, stood by some other.

[Parks]

New act, Benson Boone.

[Joe Budden]

Don't step on my ice. I just said, all right, so don't.

[Flip]

Step on my shirt.

[Joe Budden]

Mute up, mute up. Go to Starbucks. When stood by some other fucking new artist's table. Spotlight. I assumed it was a slap in there. Then they moved over to a whole nother table. And I seen what I thought at the time was, oh, look at these beautiful white hedge fund people. That was the Nikki Glaser Heidi Klum table. But I didn't know. I don't know them unless you tell me that that's them. I just saw a table of beautiful porcelain whites. See, white people, when they got somebody that they want to put out there, they gonna make sure that they fucking beautiful.

[Ice]

I said, oh, shit, look at this.

[Joe Budden]

They must be funding this shit. Motherfucking Benson. Boom. Stood up, pulled a mic out his fucking tuxedo jacket. I said, holy shit, the hedge fund nigga is about to perform. Notice before, I don't know who he is.

[Ice]

Me neither.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know his song. Me either. I know he stood up from the beautiful white hedge fund table, pulled a mic out his tuxedo inside coat like this and start singing some shit I never heard. I said, oh, Tom Selleck got bars. Cause the whites got to spend a lot of years going to find the new superstars gonna take over. They went and found some 007 looking nigga. This nigga was up there like fucking Tom Cruise himself. He starts thinking some shit. I was like, oh, the white boy got a voice. I said, y'all better stop playing financial advisor. Hey, y'all better stop playing with Vincent Boone, whoever the this great white hype is. Then he continues, they took his little outfit off. Oh, tear away text. Wait, they really did. He had to break away. Thomas. When white people take their off and got a sequence Carolina blue outfit on underneath. Boy, you in trouble.

[Flip]

You in trouble.

[Joe Budden]

You in trouble. And he's walked to the stage in that little tight ass outfit.

[Melissa Ford]

He might have did backflips that stage.

[Joe Budden]

Slow down now. No, I ain't get to that part yet. He was just singing. I said, boy, I ain't going to lie.

[Parks]

Hey, that boy sound good.

[Flip]

Hey, Don, sell it. All right, Tom. Selling is good, right?

[Joe Budden]

Then that jumped on the piano.

[Flip]

Oh, did a front flip.

[Joe Budden]

I said, holy. Yo, who is this nigga? Oh, they Found some nigga that's killing his. Then he kept singing. He's killing that. And by then, his slap is on. I'm like, that's Benson. Boom, nigga. I heard this song in every Walgreens visit this year. Heard this song in every cvs. Boy, this shit been everywhere you could hear it. This is Tom Selleck. Got this in the tub. As soon as I said that shit, that nigga hit a front somersault. He said, cause while I'm watching him, when he took his outfit off, he got muscles like he's in shape. I'm thinking the whites done found some nigga from the Olympics and trained him to sing and made a star.

[Flip]

Shut the fuck up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you what I thought and gave him a slap. I'm like, this little white boy is in shape in this little outfit. He's giving me Freddie Mercury.

[Parks]

Like, he's giving or Elton John. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah, Elton. Elton can't do no backflip, right?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, good.

[Flip]

Not with the backflip.

[Parks]

I'm just talking about the outfit.

[Flip]

That was.

[Parks]

I'm just talking about the El. Elton John used to wear onesies all the time.

[Flip]

Take away and add people that you want to work with. Not Elton John. You want to be cool with. Ellen John. What the fuck?

[Ish]

I'm talking about the outfit. Yes.

[Parks]

I'm just talking about the outfit.

[Corey]

Yo, Mark, man, you smell that?

[Flip]

Elton John said. Bullshit.

[Ish]

Elton John, the outfit. Yeah. Elton John used to come with the sequence.

[D.C.]

Elton John ain't had a muscle nowhere.

[Ish]

But he definitely had. I said, not the flip.

[Joe Budden]

Flip.

[Ish]

I said, nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Flip. We never saw him stand up.

[Flip]

But he never did a flip. I'm a f. Anyway, I can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

No. That Benson Boone performance, when he got done standing over me, it was really good.

[Parks]

And that song is really good. Beautiful things. It's got, like, five.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's the song. It does sound like a Queen record. Yeah, he smoked that. He did. So then I went and dug in my fucking. I pulled out the race car and was like, ah, of course. They give this nigga 30 minutes to fucking. You got to. They let him walk from the table, change clothes, do back flips, whatever. He had a long time up there. But then they continued the new artist segment. Every one of them. Every one of them immensely talented, and I don't think we've seen a crop like that in recent years. All of them not only smoked it, but got the biggest song of the year. All of them.

[Melissa Ford]

It's been a while.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And they've never showcased it in this way.

[Ish]

More importantly to me, because usually, like when somebody we don't want to win the new award, we're like, who the is that that part? But it's always better if you can actually watch him perform that night. Like, like. Well, homeboy is like, oh, okay. Now I see why. At least you see why he won.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, he should be in there.

[Parks]

This is where Dochi did her performance. So it was right after Benson. It was Dochi. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

I don't wanna. I don't wanna be that person. What you said they all have biggest songs of the year.

[Joe Budden]

Here you go.

[Ice]

That Dolce record wasn't big like that.

[Joe Budden]

Not like us is big. Shut up. Not like us is big.

[D.C.]

This is part A.

[Joe Budden]

Not like us. Not like us is big.

[Ice]

So our artist is the. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But then when Doshi comes out. Oh my God. I was so elated to finally see blacks. So whatever y'all was doing online about how she shouldn't have been there, if you take her away, there's no blacks.

[Ish]

You got John Legend on the keyboard.

[D.C.]

Even if an opening opening.

[Ish]

Right, Mel?

[Joe Budden]

But as I'm watching all of the great talented whites that deserve the spotlight, I'm more so looking at who's at their table, who's on the guitar, who's on the drums, who's on the piano. A lot of sauceless drummers. Like a lot of sauceless background people hitting a little Doshi came out and that was the first time I saw a stage full of black people. It was good to see.

[Ish]

It was dope.

[D.C.]

It was great.

[Parks]

Performance was incredible.

[D.C.]

I ain't even peep that.

[Joe Budden]

Then I felt like she might have had some type of Tom Brown endorsement. She did. Cuz that Tom Brown.

[D.C.]

The whole Everything was on it was it. The whole thing was Tom.

[Joe Budden]

It was hidden. You ain't supposed to put these backup dancers in. Tom Brown.

[D.C.]

The whole. I was about to say the whole crew had the time on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And then she took it off. Don't let Benson. Boom. Be the only one.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Out of here, B. Out of here. Boom.

[Flip]

She was booming.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. She looked absolutely marvelous. Smoked the performance. I think after that was Teddy Swims. Teddy Swims. I knew you wasn't about to change outfits or do a whole lot of.

[D.C.]

Dancing or snatch nothing off, but he killed him.

[Joe Budden]

No, he smoked it. Standing in one place. Spotlight, highlight my voice. Yeah, he absolutely killed. And another one huge song. Y'all know this record. Hey, sing along. And then after that with Shaboozi, who you already. Nothing to be said. Nothing to be said. Go Shaboozy man. Hey, Shaboozi. Next time we install this, man. Strip on me. Strip on me. Next time we install this. You did that?

[Melissa Ford]

Another girl, Ray, she bought it. I wasn't really familiar with her.

[D.C.]

I didn't know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she's probably one of the best performances.

[Ice]

I got introduced to her because with the Apple Vision, they have these immersive concerts. So she's the highlighted person. I. I never heard of her. But you know, you just check out.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And it's like a one on one concert where she's standing in front of you singing to you, looking good, like.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, she looks good.

[Joe Budden]

Salute.

[Melissa Ford]

When I first saw her, I was like, okay, we're getting a little Amy Winehouse. She's British. She's got the mole, you know. I was like, okay, Amy Winehouse esque. But then her vocals, her voice was different. My bad.

[D.C.]

She was like, no, no, I really, I really do.

[Parks]

This mic is on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, There you go. Yeah. No, it's true. Let me see here.

[Ice]

And shout out DJ Ms. Milan up there with Dochi.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. Milan. Friend of me or friend of the show?

[Ice]

Friend of us.

[Flip]

Shout out to Milan.

[Joe Budden]

Friend of us. Shout out to DJ Milan, man. Let's see. This is the best segment thus far. Yep. My cable cut off. It's more My cable cut off and my TV wi fi is just start acting crazy.

[Parks]

So this was. This was the best new artist category, right?

[Melissa Ford]

The first. The first.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Who should I call?

[D.C.]

Me.

[Joe Budden]

I got you for the cable bill.

[Flip]

I got you on the cable bill.

[D.C.]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

It's files. Expensive. Might be 400. Might be 400 them. What'd you say, Mel?

[Parks]

I was asking. This is the best new artist category, Correct.

[Ish]

That was the next thing.

[Parks]

So Chapel Roan was in this category and this is the award she won for.

[D.C.]

She won.

[Parks]

Okay. Yeah.

[Ish]

And another great project.

[Melissa Ford]

And then she bodied. The speech.

[Parks]

The speech.

[Joe Budden]

Slow down, cuz. That's my very next note.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, go for it.

[Joe Budden]

My very next note says, well, Victoria Monet looks great. That's what it says. Shout out to Victoria Monet. She looked amazing.

[Melissa Ford]

She did.

[Joe Budden]

They are trying to shove this Chapel Roan girl down my throat slash. Hold up, hold up now hold up now hold up now she in my bag, it said hold up. She started spitting.

[Melissa Ford]

She did bars.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a fan for life. She got me.

[Ish]

She's a beast.

[Joe Budden]

She tricked me. She got me.

[D.C.]

Just looking at her, you was like.

[Joe Budden]

Eh, well, no, it just was a lot. It was a lot of her, and I'm not all the way familiar with her or her story at all, so it just felt like a lot of her. But once she gave that speech, I went and did my research. She's no new act. Like, she's been around. She's not from here. She's been. She'd been about fight to power all that shit. Like, so when she gave that. I never heard nothing like that in the award ceremony. Same I've never heard. Yeah, I don't. I've never heard anything like that at the Grammys. I've never heard that at any awards.

[D.C.]

Man, some of the awards, but not no Grammys.

[Joe Budden]

When do the artists that won get up there and talk to. Talk to their struggle with healthcare in the past, how they almost weren't here, and then holds the labels accountable for us not having health insurance and then gonna end it with, hey, labels. We got y'all do. Y'all got us. I almost shed a tear.

[D.C.]

I was right up your alley.

[Joe Budden]

What was right up your alley? Chapel Roll for life. This funny redhead makeup girl. I'm riding most of them.

[Ice]

Be too scared to piss somebody off doing it on that stage.

[D.C.]

This new crop different.

[Ice]

That's what it is.

[Joe Budden]

She pulled out the diary. She pulled the journal out, dog. I was like, oh, here come these white. All this. I like to thank Stan Stanley Smith, and I like to think, nah, look, the audience told me no.

[Parks]

There was at least a partial standing ovation for that.

[Melissa Ford]

All the artists were like, no.

[Parks]

Did the camera go over to Lucien at that point?

[Joe Budden]

He was like, Lucian was making a call. Hey, get. Get this off stage. Let's see.

[Ish]

Quick question. How did maybe Parks. You know the answer to this?

[Flip]

Because I was racist.

[Joe Budden]

That was racist.

[Ish]

Because it's an industry question. It's a specific release date, and you know the details of it. It's like, I thought her album came out in 22. Like, what is the cutoff for winning this award? Because it felt like her album came out a million years ago.

[Melissa Ford]

It's usually with the year before. I don't know.

[Ish]

I thought it was a calendar year, but it's like, month. Is it a calendar year, or is it, like, month to month?

[Melissa Ford]

No, it's a month. Month to month thing. I don't know the exact. Maybe she just made something like December to December. I could be wrong about that. Or December to September.

[Ish]

I forget, because I swore her album came out August 22nd. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Or September 2021 of us know.

[Ish]

Yeah, you might know.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Parks]

It says it came out in 2023.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Look at you.

[Parks]

Yeah, it says it came out September 22nd.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I think September is 2023.

[Ice]

And mark the dates. The Grammy eligibility dates are September 20th, September 16th of 2023 to August 30th of 2024. So anything dropped in that way.

[Ish]

That's what I was trying to get.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, let's see here. Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga are dressed like the Porridge Family, and that was on purpose. And they're doing California Dreams.

[Melissa Ford]

They bodied it, but it was weird.

[Parks]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

It was. They bodied it, but it was weird.

[Parks]

Their whole get up was a nod to the mamas and the papas.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it. Yo, Bruno Mars need to get the out of here and go sit for a couple years. He did.

[Parks]

He sat in a fucking casino for a couple of years.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. He needs to move now. He needs to go back over there to mgm, Casino Records or wherever he signed to. He needs to stop now.

[Parks]

You don't feel like this song was more in his bag than this fucking fat pussy song that he just put out with Sexyy Red?

[Joe Budden]

I feel like if you're gonna put out a fat pussy song with Sexyy Red one week, don't come be in the Porridge Family with California Dreams the very next week.

[D.C.]

I really did, but they did it for the fire.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a fuck when he did it. That fire is not gonna be the reason that everybody could do what they want if you lived in la. Cause none of them there look like my house is burned down. They ain't look that word.

[Parks]

Well, they're.

[Joe Budden]

I was looking at them. They ain't looked at work. Them niggas bought houses. I was looking for the homeless people. Dumb niggas. Look to the T's.

[D.C.]

This thing is an idiot.

[Joe Budden]

They looked amazing. They chose.

[Ice]

What's wrong with you?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not supposed to say that.

[Flip]

Homeless people in the crowd.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all wasn't looking for homeless people. They showed me fire commercials for 45 minutes. Every other break was a fire commercial. Hey, y'all. In the skybox. Donate, donate, donate. And that fire segment was real sad.

[D.C.]

It was.

[Parks]

It was very sad.

[Joe Budden]

It was, like, depressing. I was like, yo, why are they showing us? Like, they had the red cams out there? If you don't go grab a fire hose.

[Parks]

They. They have.

[Joe Budden]

Why did they have red cams out there? I felt like I was in the fire at my house. I went, turned the air on.

[Flip]

I thought it was dope.

[Melissa Ford]

The way they did the local commercials.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know how it was local businesses.

[D.C.]

The martial arts one, when they showed the martial arts the whole on fire. That was dope.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. That connected with you.

[Flip]

Go build some.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he's a yellow belt, a yellow.

[Joe Budden]

Bell and a sports agent. I think he's everything. He's the pod's most interesting man. Let's see, let's see, let's see Bruno Mars, yada, yada, yada, Grammy clap. Back to the weekend. Oh, the weekend. Take it away, Parks.

[Melissa Ford]

I was excited for the weekend part, but then Playboy Cardi came out and.

[Joe Budden]

I was, no, that song is fire.

[Melissa Ford]

That song is fire.

[Joe Budden]

And he ain't on it that much.

[Melissa Ford]

He isn't. Why was he up there lip syncing and not even holding the bike?

[Ice]

Because we. Because we're going on tour starting in two months.

[Melissa Ford]

It was weird.

[Joe Budden]

He's another one that the 17 year olds ain't gonna try to convince me on.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, same.

[Ice]

It's not for us, them to convince us on. That thing is God to them.

[D.C.]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah, they should find God.

[Ice]

Nah, it's different when it comes to them, bro. They don't play.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not hating on him. I'm not hating on who the young people elect as their person. I'm just glad that he didn't do a whole lot of vocals on this weekend track. What did we think about the Grammy dude coming out and saying, hey, y'all, we heard you.

[Ish]

We got it right.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I think they did.

[Ice]

I think I was about to say.

[D.C.]

The show showed that. My bad.

[Ice]

I was gonna say, I like the fact because they always be saying, we heard we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. But I saw it in action.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Also, that was a really nice suit that he had.

[Parks]

It wasn't. Is he new? Like a new appointment?

[Melissa Ford]

Last couple of years. Ever since the white dudes said that women gotta try harder.

[Parks]

Right, Right.

[Joe Budden]

That was crazy, right?

[Parks]

Yeah. So it looks like he put his money where his mouth is.

[Melissa Ford]

He did. They emphasized it before every award. 13,000 members of the Grammy committee have chosen Beyonce. Whatever the fuck the award was. It was evident. It was evident.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And he said, like, the voting committee has gotten younger.

[D.C.]

It's more diverse.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Like that's gonna reflect in a lot of shit.

[Parks]

And it did.

[Ice]

That's why I'm not mad at a lot of when people say, oh, it's because of it. No, bro, you got different People voting. That old guard is gone.

[D.C.]

So Mel Torme ain't gonna win every year.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It just seemed like the people voting knew a little bit about music this year.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Like, there wasn't as many curveballs or I think the.

[Parks]

Or whitewashing.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Shit they did to the voting process, where you can only pick a certain amount of categories help a lot as well, in addition to the diversity. But you shouldn't. If you're a country dude, you shouldn't be voting on hip hop. Hip hop dude, you shouldn't be voting on country. Let the people that know the shit vote on the shit.

[Ice]

And I saw a lot of. A lot of people complaining. It's like, because we were, you know, champion certain things about the Grammys, and it's like, oh, so do y'all care or do y'all don't care? Because, you know, one hand we've been sitting here saying, we don't give a. About the Grammys because they never get it right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Well, this is how you actually make people care about the Grammys, by getting shit right. By getting the right voting community. So, yeah. If they doing it this way, I give a. About the Grammys again.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. We all watched.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. And it was. It was great. I mean, my mom texted me, like, mom has no business in music whatsoever. Doesn't really even. She's a super.

[Joe Budden]

She got business.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true. But so she watched, like, is it just me, or is this the best Grammys in a really long time?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. I got a lot of those texts. Yeah. Especially from west coast people. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm really.

[Joe Budden]

Hold.

[Ice]

I got a lot of other texts.

[Joe Budden]

From them west coast people was texting me away, boy.

[Melissa Ford]

And then my dad text me, yo, this don't got no soul no more. I was like.

[Joe Budden]

This was the best Grammys in a long time. For me.

[Melissa Ford]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

They got a lot right. They did get a lot right. Let's see. And then the weekend comes out. I absolutely loved his performance. I loved him. The mystique, the dark, the darkness, the.

[Melissa Ford]

Scary arms, all of those scary.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. I like. I liked it. It was great. Great. Shout out to the Weeknd and. All right, so now we have the weekend there. We got a Chris Brown win. Yes, sir. Jay Z is here with Beyonce. It's like, oh, there's a lot of factors that worked against us that we kind of got right. Yeah, we made it right. The people that we want to see are here. Yeah, they did. They did it. They got it right. Let's see. JLO why is JLO speaking Spanish?

[Melissa Ford]

I thought the same Spanish.

[Joe Budden]

We don't have the same thing. We could. I wrote it down, but we don't have to talk about it. Who's our JLO expert? Why was JLO up there speaking Spanish?

[D.C.]

I'm a JLO fan.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't the expert. Why didn't you do that? And where was Sterling K. Brown? I told y'all, he don't. Sterling Gay Brown call that out every time. Oh, look. Look at this bitch. Oh, she from the Bronx again? No, they said.

[D.C.]

They said some shit about. About. She just did some. And she was trying to speak Spanish and she was up. Shakira was sitting at the table with her. He said Shakira kept hitting her leg like a. Shut up.

[Flip]

Like, yo, shut up.

[Joe Budden]

You up. JLO don't know no damn Spanish.

[Melissa Ford]

Shakira still look good, by the way.

[Parks]

Still looks good. That's understatement. Understatement.

[Melissa Ford]

You're absolutely right.

[Parks]

Under statement 50. 48.

[Ish]

48 years, monster.

[Parks]

Hey, hey, hey. Not 50 yet.

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Parks]

Okay. Is that the next note? Is that the next note on your phone? Okay, then let's get to it. Shakira's performance.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, mute.

[Ice]

I muted the tv.

[Parks]

The song was fire, though.

[Ice]

I don't know.

[D.C.]

The song is fire.

[Ish]

The song.

[Parks]

I know. You guys didn't hear it?

[D.C.]

Nope.

[Parks]

You know, over your drooling, but.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, she sings.

[Parks]

Yes, she does.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

She does.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations, Shakira. It was looking nice.

[Ice]

She got a little.

[Joe Budden]

I was there. I was there when she first came. What, when she had hips?

[D.C.]

Hips don't lie.

[Joe Budden]

Are you done with our. Our not 48 year olds who still look good?

[Parks]

Go ahead.

[Flip]

A Sneeze away from 50.

[Joe Budden]

I know certain topics close to you. Let's see here. Oh, I was done with that. Kendrick clean sweep.

[Ice]

Sweet, sweet sweeping.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get to it. Yo, if you're tired of our Grammy talk, hit the little 15 second forward skip button. Sorry, buddy. Yes. Just fast forward to two hours.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, Corey, pass that to my man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Ladies and gentlemen, come on, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Get it. What you got?

[Melissa Ford]

The first three were the early show. Early show.

[Ice]

Yeah, those were funny to me.

[Joe Budden]

Sweep.

[Melissa Ford]

I was.

[Joe Budden]

I was. Get the brooms out.

[Ice]

The first.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't. As much as. As big as that record was, they don't usually favor battle rap or dis records or really even lyrical.

[Ice]

That wasn't.

[Ish]

That wasn't.

[Ice]

That was still a commercial single. Number one record it was impactful.

[Flip]

Yo, real quick. There was a segment that stood out to me when he won the award. How they played. They actually played the lyrics at the clip.

[Parks]

They sure did that shit.

[Flip]

Me, I like, all right, he's singing along. Beyonce dance. Blue Ivey dancing. Taylor dancing. I'm like, wait, what the fuck is that?

[Ish]

And the whole stadium singing D minor.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Now I'm seeing it for real.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's very different from the pop out show and fans singing the words. It's different from Internet chatter.

[Flip]

Extremely different.

[Joe Budden]

This is now music industry. Everybody aficionado singing along to. Everybody singing along to.

[Ish]

Yeah, this.

[Joe Budden]

And they didn't play the hook.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That was the very first thing that popped out to me is that they never played the not like us hook. And Kendrick is so Kendrick. You had to knock it off. I see you trying to hug extra people so you can land at the podium at the A minor. That. Hugging people. He don't even know.

[Ish]

Security guard. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, he's trying to. He paced it out a little bit.

[Ice]

What. What y'all think of his fit?

[Parks]

The Canadian tuxedo?

[Joe Budden]

I love Chef's kiss.

[Melissa Ford]

Tell us about it.

[Joe Budden]

Canadian chef's Kiss.

[Parks]

I mean, there's a lot of debate because a lot of people don't know what a Canadian tuxedo is, but it's basically.

[Joe Budden]

No, Canadians don't know. Cuz y'all thought y'all was fly. I seen a lot of Canadians. I've seen a lot of Canadians. That's an American Canadian. Yes, yes. It's what we think of y'all.

[Parks]

I don't know who made it up, but it's actually accurate. So it's gene on gene. So people obviously thought that that was a nod to, you know, I thought it was hilarious.

[Melissa Ford]

The pregame when John Lennon's son came up and.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that was wild.

[Melissa Ford]

John Lennon invented.

[Joe Budden]

That's that the tone.

[Melissa Ford]

John Lennon invented the diss track. He was giving Paul McCartney bars on the Imagine album.

[Flip]

That part, man, it just umg. Showed that we not backing down. That's what I took from that. We're not backing down. We're gonna play it. It's gonna play at the Super Bowl. They played at the Grammys. And it's going to be at the super bowl now.

[Joe Budden]

Definitely going to be the super bowl now.

[Flip]

Like, seeing that like that, I said it's going to be.

[Joe Budden]

It's going to cut the record off at A minor.

[D.C.]

Yeah. No, bleeped out. No. The whole audience said A minor in unison.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

But they bleeped out the and the them up.

[Joe Budden]

So this is the clean.

[Flip]

And they let the P word. They let the P word.

[Joe Budden]

They let pedophile fly.

[Ice]

They let his name fly.

[Joe Budden]

It's y'all new kids that's making. Making niggas say P word and PDF. It's a pedophile.

[Flip]

At some point, that would get you flagged online. Now, I guess Trump took the flag off.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, go outside and use the words that mean things. But anyway, yeah, ain't minded. That was telling.

[D.C.]

That was telling.

[Joe Budden]

Canadian tuxedo telling. Great. The panning into Beyonce two Step into this shit, nobody looked happier or more excited than Taylor Swift.

[Parks]

She had a champagne glass up in the air, singing along.

[Ice]

Lucian looked a little happy.

[Ish]

Lucian was real happy. High five. And this shit got the close up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but Lucien was happy. But if Taylor Swift is happy, you're gonna assume that Lucy is happy. They working in tandem. So Lucien is behind the scenes. So he could feel like, you know what I mean? I'm moving covertly. High five. Whatever. The camera shouldn't be on me. Taylor Swift knows the camera is on me at all times. And I'm showing y'all, this is my man. This is my record. And that is. Should be horrifying for homeboy. If I was homeboy, I'd have went to the hookah bar, too. And this.

[Melissa Ford]

They're tied in, though, too.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Melissa Ford]

Taylor and Kendrick. Her producer produced all of gnx. Soundwave does shit for her.

[Ice]

They got a smash record together.

[Flip]

Nobody feels like it's like, all right. Kicking the dog while he's down. Like, nobody feels that way. Like, it's overkill now. I mean, this shit is overkill to me. Like, in America, in my head, it's like, huh? How many people did you piss off? It's just overkill. It's like, enough. That's how I'm starting to feel. I'm starting to feel bad. Before, it was like, I tweeted that it's a rap battle, but now I'm starting to feel bad. Cause now I don't feel bad at all.

[Ish]

I don't feel bad, but I know that it's close. Like, I actually worried when I saw that whole stadium and being like, you said Beyonce two Step and everybody's saying Amen. I'm like, yo, dude, you might be able to, like, listen.

[Flip]

This record's ether and all them shits and hit them up and all that.

[Melissa Ford]

Them shits was quite the same level of boppiness.

[Joe Budden]

This is the most awarded rap song in the history Exactly.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. So now it's on a bigger scale, and now it's having more eyes. And now it makes you feel like it's overkill because so many people are involved.

[Ish]

To me, I think. I think for him, he's like beating.

[Joe Budden]

It down like the choir gotta sing at the funeral.

[Melissa Ford]

I think that the problem is that the song. If this was euphoria, then I would feel like you feel. But this song was a bop. And that was the problem.

[Flip]

It happened last year. May, nigga, we in January. Super bowl is around the corner.

[Ish]

How long was in the club a bop, though? I mean, if a song was a diss record. No, no, I'm just saying if a song. I'm taking this off. I'm saying if a song is a.

[Flip]

Smash, we can't take a. The song is a smash, but it's at somebody else's detriment.

[Melissa Ford]

Gotta be careful who you play.

[Joe Budden]

So what? So I don't care what he said.

[Ice]

I'm not talking.

[Ish]

You need a button for that.

[Joe Budden]

We taking it further. Yo, I'm not saying that.

[Flip]

No, I'm with you.

[Melissa Ford]

He's dumb.

[Flip]

Overkill.

[Joe Budden]

That was his all right.

[Ice]

He got beat with his own move. Well, I'm against you. And make it a club bop. Okay, well, guess what? I'm a dish.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Melissa Ford]

I can do that.

[Ice]

Make it a commercial box.

[Flip]

You can't hold the industry on your back for so many years, and then now this happens like that. Where's the respect?

[Ish]

But no, but here's the other part of that. No, you hold the industry up, but the industry. You also treated a lot of people like true. A lot of people clearly hate you.

[Parks]

So there's consequences.

[Ish]

If a whole stadium of insiders in the industry is screaming a minor. You don't did some.

[Ice]

That's why in the middle, I got a lot of text messages from people saying, yo, real talk, he had this coming.

[Ish]

That's what I'm.

[Flip]

Me too.

[Ice]

Like, it doesn't change.

[Flip]

It doesn't change the humanitarian in me. It doesn't change. Like, I mean, I'm a human. Like, damn. I like you see dancing kids dancing, singing a minor.

[Joe Budden]

It's just like you said on of this. We said all of this when it was happening. In terms of how long the record was number one. In terms of this looking like an orchestrated attack amongst everybody. Now that just looked like what the not like Us video should look like.

[Flip]

Saying it and seeing is two different things, though, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

The music industry kind of dancing on your Grave singing along to this song. Cheering, applauding this record like, that was. Drake did the right thing. Nigga, I'm in Australia taking mirror pics. Nigga, I'm going. I'm going to Australia to sing karaoke.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm in person.

[Joe Budden]

Are y'all shitting me? Yeah.

[Ice]

No. I would get low.

[Joe Budden]

The Lucy and Dre high five to me was like. Like, made me start doing science. Like, it's like science is right there. What do you science in terms of? For me, what I mean is, like, when I was introduced to Dr. Dre, okay. Which is 90. 91, and it's 2025. This business is relationships. That means that Dre, since 91, has made all of these relationships. I don't know when he got the Interscope, but when he got there, he gave y'all snoop. Early 90s Eminem. We talking about hundreds of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions.

[Flip]

No, billions.

[Ish]

Billions of dollars.

[Joe Budden]

I gave y'all Snoop, I gave y'all Eminem, I gave y'all 50 cent. I gave y'all me. Then I got with Jimmy Iovine and gave y'all headphones. My cachet. If I'm calling somebody to say something, it's heard differently.

[Ice]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Than the guy with all the slaps this decade. And that high five from Lucy. And I was just thinking of their network. Like, I know we talk a lot about the Illuminati, the imaginary, the cabal. That was it. Yes. So no matter how powerful you think the Drake slaps are, they were showing you. They were just showing you this is not opinion based anymore. They were showing you what it is, how we feel and exactly who you're up against. And it's an uphill battle.

[Ice]

You can't win against me.

[Ish]

You can't win.

[Joe Budden]

It's an uphill battle. I thought about all the people that have tried to win against that. Against that front.

[Ice]

They lost.

[D.C.]

You can't.

[Joe Budden]

They all lost.

[D.C.]

I said that before.

[Ice]

What they did was had to leave.

[D.C.]

When we talk about this, like, yo, dawg, it's money, power, respect. People think that the power come with the money. The power don't come with the money. The power come with the time and the relationships. And you. Your son got caught, dui. You just pick up the phone and be like, yo, make that go away. Cause you know the judge, or you play golf with the judge. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the power. The power is in your network equity. That's the power. So when we talked about the Kanye shit, he Rose fast financially, but you ain't have 30 years worth of relationships and 27 years worth of power. And I was in the trenches with this nigga, in the trenches with that nigga. And I know they kids. You don't have that. And so that was so easy for him to get canceled. I think some of that shit is being evidently shown with Drake.

[Joe Budden]

Then I thought about all of Drake's antagonizing of Kendrick to even drop anything.

[Flip]

Yeah, I thought about that, too.

[Joe Budden]

That's gonna go down as one of the worst mistakes ever made in hip hop. Like y'all said earlier, really easy to ignore like that. Really easy to ignore.

[Melissa Ford]

Or just keep it playful.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, don't say nothing to that nigga. That nigga's coming in here to kill you and your entire family like a Dayline episode. Leave him alone. Don't say nothing. Don't play with him. Y'all dare you to drop. I've been waiting for years. I've been hearing about this mythical record you got. You made that nigga go make a whole fresh new slap. Yeah. You made that nigga go get with mustard and make some.

[Ice]

And then posting the red button.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I feel that's the part that made me feel bad for homeboy. When you just think about some of the moves in hindsight, because he believed.

[Ice]

Again, I think a lot of this Drake really believed that he was one of them with Leo.

[Flip]

They made him believe that.

[Ice]

Yeah, but you gotta understand, you can feed.

[Flip]

You can feed somebody. You can feed someone and give them access to all your resources and make them feel away. But at the end of the day, the people at Top are the ones that's in control. It's like. It's like putting.

[Ice]

He thought he was at.

[Flip]

It's like on a hamster wheel like you. They.

[Joe Budden]

It's the music business.

[Flip]

It is the music business. And then when you think about that in retrospect, and then you. It's like, I agree with you.

[Ice]

And to be a student of the game as you. As he claimed to be. You've seen this happen to other people who thought I could name one off the top that we all saw it happen to name him that thought he was bigger than the system.

[D.C.]

Name him 50. No, he didn't.

[Ice]

He did think he was big.

[D.C.]

50 wasn't Drake.

[Melissa Ford]

Huh?

[D.C.]

50 wasn't Drake.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up. Well, nobody's Drake.

[D.C.]

50 was a different Drake.

[Ice]

He was Drake.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody's Drake.

[Ice]

He was worldwide superstar of that time. It's a different game. Of course he was Drake. Pre Drake.

[Ish]

Yeah, but Drake is a lot bigger.

[Ice]

It's a different evolution. He's the evolved version of that.

[Ish]

I'm just walked around believing that he.

[Ice]

Walked around he was bigger than Interscope.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody's Drake because Drake is in a school era, but without. Excuse me.

[Ice]

Right. But he walked around believing that he was bigger than the system for sure. And that he could throw that weight around. And then they had to remind him, no, you're not true.

[D.C.]

Same thing happened.

[Ice]

Hold on, hold on. I'm speaking here. Same thing happened. Drake walked around believing that I am on the level of or bigger than this system here. And they had to remind you that. No, you're not. That's all I'm saying.

[D.C.]

True. I'm saying that he didn't have a reason not to believe that. He's never seen nobody come before him. That was him. 50 had two albums that were dominant.

[Joe Budden]

It.

[D.C.]

Two decades that were dominant.

[Flip]

Was dominant. Hold on the. That was on G was dominant at the time, too.

[Ice]

Just two albums.

[D.C.]

I said two albums that were dominant. Was my. Was was a sentence that I said.

[Ice]

I'm not talking just music.

[D.C.]

It's my turn to talk. Yo, this boy had two decades of holding the music industry on his shoulders. He's not.

[Joe Budden]

Not.

[D.C.]

He's not 50 Cent.

[Joe Budden]

The point stands.

[D.C.]

Yo, It's Drake has never seen somebody come before him. That was him. Not Jay Z. Not Eminem.

[Joe Budden]

Not.

[D.C.]

None of them have been him. So. So for him to say that. So for him to think that he's in a class all of his own, even though he's mistaken, he had a right.

[Flip]

You don't think em had an impact like that.

[Ish]

He never run like Drake.

[Ice]

Not a run.

[Ish]

Just raw numbers. I think he talked about numbers.

[Ice]

I think he talked about the numbers.

[Melissa Ford]

I think that we're talking numbers that we're putting.

[Ish]

Drake is different.

[D.C.]

If you talking numbers, you put Eminem in that category. I don't think that everybody in the world felt Eminem the same way the masses felt Drake.

[Joe Budden]

And I want to stick up, and I want to stick up for em a little bit. Em is a student of hip hop. True.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

No matter how Big M was or is, he was never gonna say anything to Tretch.

[D.C.]

Yeah, true.

[Joe Budden]

Or Red man or Kane.

[Ice]

Not just that.

[Joe Budden]

Even if he went home and felt like he dip on my chip, he would never present.

[Ish]

He would do the opposite.

[Flip]

He would do.

[D.C.]

Yeah, he worships them niggas anytime he.

[Joe Budden]

Get in front of a camera. Yeah, I don't think it's fair. I think it's fair to bring him up.

[Ice]

This is what I think happened with Drake. And this happened around 2016, when they decided that we were gonna make the entire world move from all digital, all everything to strictly streaming. We needed a face. He was the face. We put everything behind him. I mean, granted, he was a star before that. I'm not. I'm not saying that. But now we're basically using you to shift the entire industry. He didn't see the play and.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Ice]

He did not see the play. And how would you.

[Joe Budden]

Because I'm not saying that he was supposed to.

[D.C.]

I'm telling. That's what I'm saying. I'm not. And I'm not defending, because if you give a person.

[Ice]

Person. You say this. If you give a person the ability to feed you, they were the reason why you did this.

[D.C.]

You don't think that, though, that.

[Ice]

That's where the naivety comes into play. It's like, you didn't do this. They did this.

[D.C.]

It's a joint effort.

[Ish]

He doesn't think that.

[Ice]

He don't think. He definitely does. As if he didn't think that. It's a joint effort. So now they have to remind you.

[Joe Budden]

He's learned it today. He's learned it.

[Ice]

That's it. And this is also. This ain't just a message for Drake.

[D.C.]

I'm thinking about it.

[Ice]

This is for anybody else, too. What?

[D.C.]

I don't think he learned it today.

[Joe Budden]

Expound.

[D.C.]

I think that Drake feels like they suppressing my shit, and that's the only reason my shit not going. I think that Drake feels like, yo, if I had a fair, even field to play on, my shit would go. They suppressing it.

[Ice]

You never had a fair, even field to play on.

[Joe Budden]

If he's saying that, then in my opinion, he's learned it because dude with the dip on his chip didn't think there was a way to ever suppress him. I'm me.

[D.C.]

True.

[Joe Budden]

So if today he's realizing some of the things that a lesser artist have realized, which is a lot of it is dim. How the spins and the videos and the people in every city and then.

[D.C.]

Working on everybody in the. Every city, every major city in the country is playing your shit the second that it drops.

[Joe Budden]

And that's why not. Not to speed up, because we could finish, well, this is the end of the ship. This is the end of my fucking notes. But the day after or the same night Even, Drake announces February 14th, Valentine's Day, Friday. Hey, ladies out there. It's still Valentine's Day. Not Valentine's weekend. Even though Tank and Trey Songz and Fantasia's performing in Atlantic City on Saturday the 15th. Oh, word. Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm gonna have to make it a.

[Joe Budden]

Double headed side chick day.

[D.C.]

That's side chick day.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't bad. That ain't a bad. Both of them. Make them get along for the little Tank. He announced that project. I'm excited about it. If I'm not excited about it, it's an automatic cop for me. I'm a party next door fan. I'm a Drake fan. With the melodies give it to. It's either the greatest chess move ever or another big mistake.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I wanted to ask y'all what y'all thought.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm worried about it.

[Ice]

I'm definitely worried.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm worried because if it isn't great and or doesn't do numbers, it's gonna look really bad.

[Joe Budden]

That's where I'm at. I'm at what I don't think if the is banging there like there's some people that could.

[Ice]

There's some people that.

[D.C.]

I don't think the quality matters.

[Joe Budden]

There's some people that think that every move that he does now or has done is bad. There's some people that could say that Australian tour while all of this bullshit is going on in America is a great idea.

[D.C.]

Great for who though?

[Melissa Ford]

For him. Mental health.

[D.C.]

Ego and his mental health.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no. In Australia. Packed house over there. Yeah.

[Ice]

Which means I haven't been here in.

[D.C.]

Which means I'm him.

[Ice]

I'm gonna pack it over here.

[Joe Budden]

Well, great. Then let me reap some of the benefits. Benefits of colonizing sounds. Let me. If I'm. If my run is done here, I'm moving over here.

[D.C.]

I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad.

[Joe Budden]

Right. So now with this move. This is my only thing with this move. I don't. With what I saw at the Grammys. This ain't a universal release. This is not universal.

[Ice]

And see how it's dropping.

[Joe Budden]

I'm guessing. I don't know from what I saw at the Grammys ovo. Right.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's.

[Joe Budden]

That's somebody else.

[Ice]

That's Sony.

[Joe Budden]

Warner one of them. So now this is where I say it may be a mistake. I don't know that support. So now this is not a Drake party project. Even though it is because Drake is doing little moves to still be present and seen out here while he's going through this bullshit. But if this is a party project with Warner or put both them together, it's Warner Support. Well, I looked it up and Warner support ain't gonna look like UMG support. And that may not bode well in the midst of this onslaught of the Grammys and the fucking Super Bowl. Even if the music is magnificent. Party ain't for everybody. I'm a party fan from day one. Party ain't for everybody.

[Ish]

You're not a fan?

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm a party fan from. Yeah, he's from way. There's some people that's with it and some people that's not. Yeah, I wanted to not I. I understand. Sometimes I cut on options or some of them classic party and be like, turn shit off. We're not. We're not vibing. We're not jamming. If creatively it's an amazing project how it does. Because while all of this is going on, it could be bad. It could be bad.

[D.C.]

I think it's gonna be bad. I'm telling you, dawg, I don't care what he puts out.

[Joe Budden]

They might cease and desist that motherfucker.

[D.C.]

I don't care what he puts out. I just think that right now he has a bad taste in everybody's mouth. Pause. And I think that N is not gonna support that project.

[Ice]

I just don't think.

[D.C.]

I think that he's lost the favor of millions and millions of people.

[Ish]

Well, but fans are fickle too. If you put out one slap, they'll come right back in.

[D.C.]

Not just that.

[Ice]

I mean, we. We saying it's like they put Spotify just put the numbers out. He's still at the top. He's still doing numbers. So it's not like everybody just are no longer listening to Drake music. He still is number one. He's the first artist in 2025 already to reach. I forget how many billion views. And he ain't dropped yet.

[Joe Budden]

1. Drake is still Drake.

[D.C.]

Drake is worldwide.

[Ice]

We just don't want to make it seem like he ain't still.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. All of these albums and streams that you naming are the streams that we invested in. And we eating off of. We just not down with new Drake. Good point.

[D.C.]

And yo, international. We still wanna eat internationally. We still him.

[Ice]

We gonna eat.

[Joe Budden]

We eating. We working all of this shit. Stream it up. We gotta deal with Spotify, with Hanes underwear. We gotta deal. Run this up.

[Ice]

That makes sense.

[D.C.]

You're right.

[Joe Budden]

It's the new music that we're like, hey, we. We out on that.

[Melissa Ford]

We got another answer to one of your questions. Give it to me, DJ Khaled. This is not my last album. This is My black album. J voice, blah, blah, blah. FYI, Drake's back to work. So am I. This is the one with two emoji Drakes. Matter of fact, send that record over to Rihanna. I just want to breathe the air that Rihanna breathes. Everything is locked.

[D.C.]

That's what he needs. He needs two or three of those.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Ice]

Who? Drake.

[Joe Budden]

Two or three or what? What?

[D.C.]

He needs a smash like them Khaled smashes. Like, that's what I think he needs. I don't think him and party. Get it done. I don't give a fuck how good the project is. I just don't think it's enough to get him back in a good grace.

[Joe Budden]

He performed Carcadian Rhythm first night in Australia. So the conversation, if you had. I'm with you. But a smash is not just your ability to make one, but who's paying for it. And that's why I brought up Warner support versus UMG support. So let's say he makes it. Who's paying for it right now? Not just like, who's pushing this. Yeah. Because that's the part that he gotta get worked out. He could go make a slap. But if Universal and Taylor Swift and Beyonce and Billie Eilish and all the rest of them is like, eh, we off it.

[Ice]

Let me ask when the last time Drake and Khaled were worked? Like the record worked.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Oh, you took it out of my mouth. Pause. Actually, I take that whole comment back.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Joe Budden]

That was disgusting.

[Ice]

All right, you give it the too short flip.

[Melissa Ford]

Probably right?

[Joe Budden]

Not too short flip.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Flip]

Is it just me? Not that much.

[Joe Budden]

The don't, don't, don't.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That was 2013 or something.

[Melissa Ford]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

And I did a calibration.

[Ice]

He did for free. Me for free.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Flip]

For free.

[Ish]

2016.

[Joe Budden]

Pipe down. No, no, no. Oh, no, not pipe down. Free. Yeah.

[Ice]

For free.

[Joe Budden]

Greece. Greece. Greece is the other one.

[D.C.]

Pop star.

[Joe Budden]

They haven't worked.

[Ice]

They ain't worked. So cool. Give Khaled too.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if anybody cares like here no more.

[D.C.]

It depends.

[Joe Budden]

And Khaled is on Epic, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It depends who Khaled is on Epic. I don't know if Khaled got it.

[Ice]

Depends.

[Joe Budden]

On what? Who else is on Epic. Future is on Epic. They started this whole don't come in here with a Drake record.

[Melissa Ford]

Was on Khaled and it was in 2016. That was the last thing that worked, in my opinion.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

The freestyle was on account.

[Flip]

Free word.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about that.

[Ice]

All right, so I'm off 2016.

[Joe Budden]

I forgot what I was saying, but.

[Ice]

I'm just saying I don't like Khaled saying this right now. That. That doesn't.

[Joe Budden]

Khaled cold as ice right now.

[Ice]

That's my point.

[Joe Budden]

Respectfully. Respectfully. But he's cold as ice. Puff gone.

[Ice]

Like before. Khaled used to could say I would.

[Joe Budden]

Be sleeping in front of Rihanna house if I'm Cali. And she might say Rihanna, the one.

[Ice]

Who else on this album?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause she's down with it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There's a lot of politics going on now. I don't know what. What. What if Khaled dropped today? What does that album do? All these people, everybody. I don't know. So we gotta see. I believe in Khaled's ability to create a record. Just. You need people to create a record.

[Ice]

Yeah. You need the people.

[Joe Budden]

I like that Grease shit. I did. I did. I thought it was smooth. I thought it was moved. Boys, I got you. If you didn't hear some of the mother. You definitely didn't hear. I got you right now. Let's see. Yeah. Nah, look at that. I like it. It may not be a hit, but I like it.

[Flip]

Hey, I like this.

[Joe Budden]

Another one not Listen. DJ Khaled call me. It's cool. I liked it, but it's just cool.

[D.C.]

Especially in the strip club.

[Flip]

It worked no matter.

[Joe Budden]

That's something.

[Ice]

I'm talking about. Commercials ain't working no more.

[Joe Budden]

Call me crazy. I don't think that Drake just do a whole bunch of singing and LA with part next door. I definitely believe. Track 14 or somewhere. They ain't done with y'all. He gonna let y'all know how you feel about some things on that R and B F Secret track. Let it keep playing. Let it. Silence fade out.

[Ice]

Get a little bit of silence and you come back in.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna tear somebody up. And I'mma listen.

[Ice]

I'mma listen to it.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma listen to it.

[Ice]

I'm listening.

[Joe Budden]

Kendrick speech. Kendrick. Anything. Give me anything. Kendrick. Before we close this Grammy topic, I.

[Melissa Ford]

Don'T think he was the happiest to be there. I mean, he was happy to win there, but he didn't seem like he had much to say.

[Joe Budden]

Clean sweet.

[Melissa Ford]

But I did like the respect to art.

[Joe Budden]

Clean respect to art form.

[Ice]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing's more power.

[Joe Budden]

We are the greatest culture there is. Saying it in front of Chapel. Rowing all of them. Yo. Rap runs this. I Know y'all doing y'all numbers. Y'all live in nice houses, but rap will always run this. We dictate this. What's cool, what's fly, what's hot. None of that tap dancing is floating. We run this clean.

[Melissa Ford]

Oops.

[Joe Budden]

Clean. Sweet. I try to tell y'all that last part. Clean. Sweet. Sweep them up. Yeah.

[Ice]

I didn't. I didn't think he was gonna sweep him up. I didn't think it was gonna be recorded. That was the one I didn't get.

[Flip]

But it was recorded.

[Ice]

No, I was wrong. I just. Record of the year is usually like a. Is an award more so for the songwriters. So.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And it ain't that record ain't really. What intricate in some verse. No, I'm just saying that he compared him to.

[D.C.]

That was impactful.

[Ish]

I thought it would get song of the year. I didn't think Record of the year.

[Ice]

I didn't think record.

[Ish]

That was the one. I want the question.

[Flip]

Third verse comparisons.

[Melissa Ford]

That is the most impressive year by a rapper I've ever seen in my entire life.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. Pause.

[Ice]

All of one day and it ain't over yet.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't over yet. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

We still got one more.

[Joe Budden]

It was the pregame now. It. It may have hurt more because we didn't know that the Grammys was going to look and feel like. Yeah, we had no idea. The super bowl we kind of embracing up for. But if. If. If the. If the Grammys sent him to the Australian hookah bar to sing karaoke.

[Ice]

We're going to the moon next, dog.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause he's seen what happened last night, of course. Oh, he 100% seen it. I don't give a How many little slaps he was singing up there.

[Ice]

I think he had an inkling it was gonna happen.

[Joe Budden]

What's the name. What's that name of the Imani Be watching Red Stream.

[Ish]

What's the red stick?

[Joe Budden]

Red tube. Red tube.

[Ice]

Some of that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Drake had that red tube up and he gonna have it up next week, and next week gonna be spooky. Wow.

[Melissa Ford]

Toilet for that one.

[Flip]

Don't eat for the day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Where does he go from here, though?

[Joe Budden]

Like, he should just turn the WI fi completely off the phone next week.

[Ice]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Turn the phone off.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Throw the phone. Yeah.

[Ice]

I don't even need a phone.

[Ish]

You really need no phone and not the next day.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ice]

I got shows to do. I'm gonna do my shows. I got fans still up here.

[Melissa Ford]

The TV off. For real?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Turn the TV off. Turn his TV off.

[Flip]

Do you think that him being active is hurting him more?

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he been active.

[Flip]

Active as far as, like, the tour still on social media.

[Joe Budden]

That. That don't count.

[Flip]

That's active is not. I mean, not talking about music. We talking about. I don't get much presence being. You know, your face being.

[D.C.]

I think that's good for his mental health. I think him sitting in. I think him sitting in the house sitting down. It would be way more.

[Ish]

Way more.

[Flip]

Some people take a hiatus when certain shit happens.

[Parks]

We've been saying that since before the last.

[Flip]

And they fucking come back like Kane.

[Parks]

But he should have sat down.

[D.C.]

No, I think him moving around is definitely positive for him. It's reinforcement. It's affirmation that I'm still him.

[Ice]

Like they.

[D.C.]

I'm over there with them fickle niggas in the United States. Yeah, they ain't fucking with me. But the whole other side of the world is still draped out. You get what I'm saying? I think he needs that for his own emotional support.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. Yeah, I agree. Because I don't want him to hurt himself or.

[D.C.]

Yeah, that should have been either.

[Flip]

Yeah, he never did that. I don't think he'll do that, bro.

[D.C.]

I don't know what these people be having.

[Joe Budden]

You'll ignore the next. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

He'll let some pass.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This too shall pass. He should be the picture of that.

[Melissa Ford]

Keep it friendly.

[Ice]

I don't think so.

[D.C.]

I think you will.

[Ice]

I think it's the exact opposite.

[Joe Budden]

I think.

[Ice]

I think I gotta. I gotta show you. I still.

[D.C.]

I'm.

[Ice]

I gotta make example.

[D.C.]

I think he'll plan it out better. I don't think he would rush into it.

[Flip]

That I said he did it is in the studio.

[D.C.]

He rushed into a lot of box.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Press the button. Boom, five seconds. Remember that? That us up, man.

[D.C.]

He came off a tour.

[Flip]

Oh, my God.

[D.C.]

A year and a half.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he has the same grip on. On things. Pause.

[Flip]

What do you mean?

[D.C.]

I don't think so either.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think it's the same grip like the times that you're talking about. It's just different times now. And he might be the last one to realize that, but it's possible. It's. It's different times, man.

[Flip]

Make a comeback, man.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no. I ain't counting him out.

[Melissa Ford]

Make the slaps.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't count him out.

[Ice]

All y'all out there, yo, his career is over. None of that.

[Joe Budden]

None of that. He was up high enough to where the fall off you going. It's going to be a while anyway.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He. He was all the way the up there.

[Ish]

Oh, stratosphere.

[Joe Budden]

This going to. Hey, save your last for when he get like, on the train. At least don't. Don't play with him while he falling. He around. Catch.

[Flip]

Catch a pitch.

[Joe Budden]

He catch a pitch.

[D.C.]

Now I throw him a wing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's all it takes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You go catch a 40. A 40 pack. That's okay. This is exactly what I need to talk to the people I want to talk to.

[Flip]

The crazy part is, is that where's.

[Joe Budden]

The nearest two color?

[Flip]

Like when we said last time. I don't want to go back to it, but when you listen to how good Family Matters is and then you just not like us. Just. It's like my name.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't.

[Melissa Ford]

No, not like us.

[Flip]

Yeah, I know, but it's still like when you listen to it. Put that on blast. I know we talked about it, but I have.

[Melissa Ford]

I like the record.

[Ice]

I still listen to the whole dog.

[Joe Budden]

None of that shit matters. Artists. Artists make songs all the time that they believe are super fire true. And if you got a relationship like that with your label, you'll walk in one day on a Tuesday, hit the corner office, tell Lucien to stop what he doing. Y'all, I'm let you just hear something real quick. They assistant is gonna put it in and he gonna play it. And if they feel it, awesome. But if you ain't like that, your song could be the greatest shit in the world. And they. All right, thanks. Get out. Bring him on to 12:15, please. Y'all, bring in my 1:00 meeting. Thanks a lot. No, I got you on the Wednesday meeting. We'll talk about it. Like, Drake is great, so is Lucy. Like, it's a marriage that makes these things go. And as fans, we could argue because there's no right or wrong. We all fans. But when it gets down to the science behind it and the chemistry behind it, no, you kind of need each other. You kind of need each other. I can make not Like Us right now and hit upload. There's four people in here. One needs more than 100 people gonna hear it. It ain't gonna do nothing. Not a thing. Very different from homeboy doing it with all the support in the world and Different Animal, different monster with him. And again, congrats to Kendrick.

[Ice]

It's a marriage. Everybody keeps saying that marriage thing. I think this is evident. It's a marriage but everybody ain't come to the table equally.

[Flip]

Everybody in that marriage.

[D.C.]

It remains to be seen.

[Joe Budden]

Drake maybe fares different if there's no Taylor Swift too.

[D.C.]

Like, that's what he's saying in the song. He like, yo, it's a. It's a miscalculation on his behalf. But he's like, yo, Taylor got you wiped down.

[Joe Budden]

No, Taylor has everybody right now.

[D.C.]

No, but he's naming. He said. I think he said, scissors got you wiped down. Taylor got you wiped down. Somebody Travis, this is my friend. He's looking at these like, yo, these.

[Ice]

Saying Taylor had him wiped down. He was talking about the other. He didn't say that in the wipe down people.

[D.C.]

Yes, he did.

[Joe Budden]

Like, yo, he looked.

[Ice]

Yeah, he was. He didn't say, taylor had you wiped.

[Joe Budden]

21 got you wiped down.

[D.C.]

He looking at global brands, bro.

[Joe Budden]

But he has said in lyrics before the. It's just pointing like, yo, it's only Taylor. I'm looking at this other.

[D.C.]

I'm not looking at you. My, you are a mouse now, again, it's a miscalculation on his behalf, but he's not looking at that. I think this nigga is just seeing something totally different. So you saying he don't look when niggas is coming to the table. You can't tell a nigga, again that that has had music. Him, Taylor Swift, name of three, four, five other people. We held this whole industry up. You can't tell me that I'm not coming to the table with equal equity. Again, that could be a mistake on.

[Flip]

His behalf as well.

[Ice]

I think it is a mistake because the music industry has existed for years without you.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ice]

You didn't get here without us allowing you to. So we are more important conversation than you are at that time.

[D.C.]

Now. Now to what he can say is replace me.

[Melissa Ford]

But by that premise. Okay, that premise assumes that Kendrick Lamar doesn't sell records too, which is not accurate.

[D.C.]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[D.C.]

I don't think that that premise is based on. I think it's premise based on my impact around the world.

[Melissa Ford]

Sure.

[D.C.]

It's not that. That's what I'm saying. So now he can go tell Lucian.

[Flip]

Replacement me and you'll get replaced.

[D.C.]

We'll see.

[Joe Budden]

I think he's already replaced.

[D.C.]

I don't think so.

[Ish]

Well, who would you always have to replace with a single person?

[Joe Budden]

Nope. The Taylor Swift dress and theatrics and relationship and Lucien's appearance and how happy he was. Like, we shouldn't only think rap. I Guess that's what you say.

[D.C.]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

In this particular genre, which we are saying is the biggest genre in the world, Kendrick got up there and said, hip hop, is it replacement?

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying to the label people, there's really no such thing as that. Right. Like on Def Jam, back in my day, Kanye might have been killing on College Dropout, but over there on the island side, there was one of them rock bands that was doing a different type of number. Six million, seven million. They didn't even know Kanye's name. Hey, wait, we competing with them too.

[Ice]

Got you, got you, got you.

[Joe Budden]

So they don't really care about the genre. Can somebody come in here and do that? And I'm sitting next to my. My, my Benny. One of them. Yeah, I'm sitting next to Brady Carpenter is right here.

[D.C.]

So. So cumulative. We. We could replace you.

[Ice]

Can replace you.

[D.C.]

But as far as the hip hop portion of our puzzle, they don't care.

[Ish]

So much about that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's the unfortunate part.

[D.C.]

We'll see.

[Joe Budden]

That's the unfortunate part. They not really looking to. Hey, we'll get all our hip hop from tde and not just that, dog. Outside of that, we ain't looking to find the next.

[Ice]

We really got what we needed out of you, which was the move to streaming.

[Joe Budden]

We did that. We did it.

[Melissa Ford]

And we also have your catalog.

[Ice]

And we not going nowhere.

[D.C.]

It ain't going nowhere.

[Ice]

So you are disposable right now. You might think you not. You think you were the global music star. You held music on your back. Music they showed you last night. We fine without you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Music showed him that state can't show him that he's still the man in his respective. Like, he left to go do big business.

[D.C.]

And I disagree. I think. I think that Drake's absence was felt the last two years in music.

[Joe Budden]

To who? Fans, the populace, the industry.

[D.C.]

The populace.

[Ice]

I think the populace.

[Joe Budden]

What does populace mean?

[D.C.]

The masses. I think that.

[Joe Budden]

I think like the streets. Like.

[D.C.]

Yeah, I mean, but just the. The masses. I think that up here we've saying that music has not really given us much the last couple years. We ain't have no cardi. We begged for sza. We didn't have no Drake. Kendrick put out the. The. The battle, but his album was.

[Melissa Ford]

We got Drake too. Not for nothing.

[Ice]

That's what started.

[D.C.]

No, we didn't.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what started all this. Yes, we did. We got for all the Dogs and the bonus.

[D.C.]

That wasn't Drake.

[Ish]

Who was it?

[Joe Budden]

Careful that was two years ago.

[Melissa Ford]

That was throwaways.

[D.C.]

That was Drake throwaways.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna say that, but, bro.

[D.C.]

All right, what if he doesn't.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold on, hold on. What? Now it's gonna seem like. Anyway. Go ahead.

[Parks]

No, I was just gonna ask, like, what makes. What makes you think that he believes that these were throwaways? What if this was a legit.

[Ish]

I was about to ask you.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you calling them throwaways? Let me give you my answer for why you're saying that. Lucien's lack of involvement, all of that.

[D.C.]

I think he's been beefing with these niggas for a long time. It shows that his projects, he don't really give a fuck about. Some of us get insider information where they say he was basically telling them niggas to suck my dick. Yeah, the COVID art.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

My son did it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

Fuck out of here.

[Joe Budden]

And they fixed it.

[Melissa Ford]

But if he felt that way, why would he be getting so mad at Joe and me and other people that reviewed it poorly?

[Joe Budden]

They fixed it.

[D.C.]

I think it was about the dialogue.

[Joe Budden]

I think Drake is Luka Doncic and Lucien and the labels is the Mavs new ownership group.

[D.C.]

That's possible. That is possible.

[Joe Budden]

And we'll get to that trade in a second. There's a lot to get to. To your point. Ish. I missed. Listen, when that Drake PND shit was announced, I was excited, bro.

[D.C.]

Music Mrs. Drake don't want to say. And it makes me sound like I'm just talking from an objective standpoint. I don't have a horse in the race.

[Joe Budden]

Plenty of people Mrs. Drake.

[D.C.]

Music Mrs. Cardi. Music Mrs. Some of these heavy hitter niggas that we have not really heard from in a couple years.

[Joe Budden]

I totally agree.

[D.C.]

Music has been lackluster out here.

[Joe Budden]

I just think my. My counter to that is this game that's being fought is outside of the hands of fans now. True.

[D.C.]

I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you. I think it's mad us that miss Drake music. People that, like, loved old Drake or whatever. Drake you was a fan of. Niggas miss it. It's out of our hands now.

[D.C.]

And I don't even be knowing the B sides like y'all. I just know the little commercially shit, bro. It's different outside.

[Joe Budden]

You know what a broom is, right? I do. Do you want to hold it? For what?

[D.C.]

I think that shit is well designed. I think it's. No.

[Joe Budden]

Not even just being theatrical.

[D.C.]

No, I'm just saying I don't think it's not no, nothing. Nobody could say that nigga deserved every award he got. That song is amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all getting some bars on this whole sexy ladies like some sexy slaps or whatever the name. Y'all gonna get four bars. So I get to curse one of these more. I ain't done with Metro.

[Ice]

More than four Metro.

[Joe Budden]

You little short motherfucker. You drunk your shoes a little. I'm done with my Grammy notes. I'm done with my Grammy takes. If y'all have anything to get out, please feel free. If there's anything else super, please feel free. Go ahead, get in your bag. Get your shit off.

[Ice]

But yeah, yeah.

[D.C.]

Oh, yeah, I forgot.

[Ice]

Hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Big Chris. Oh, well.

[Ice]

Why the fuck was Janelle Monae up there doing that instead of Chris Brown?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D.C.]

Instead of Chris Brown.

[Ish]

Well, you know why Chris Brown was.

[D.C.]

We don't know.

[Ice]

If you're in the process of getting things right.

[D.C.]

If y'all really wanted to get it right and really hit a home run. He got. He know the word. He know the dances that they did last year. We all seen the dances on the back door that we seen last year.

[Joe Budden]

That sends the Grammys out of the park.

[D.C.]

If y'all really wanted to get it done. If y'all would have just opened that curtain and don't. Don't show them. Don't even show them in the stands. Just lift the curtain up and let that be right there.

[Ice]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

Now lift the curtain up and let it be. What's it called when you just. A shadow.

[D.C.]

Silhouette.

[Joe Budden]

Let it just be a silhouette with the hat.

[D.C.]

Throw a hat and just a.

[Joe Budden]

Throw the hat over.

[Ice]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

That whole crazy.

[Ice]

I'm gonna give him benefit of the Doubt.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Rihanna can advocate for him. If this ASAP Trib would end.

[Ice]

Hold up. It's stupid. They should.

[Joe Budden]

Because she would. She would, but I feel like she would call. Go ahead.

[Ice]

I'm just saying. I'm gonna give them benefit of the Doubt.

[D.C.]

The Grammys.

[Ice]

The Grammys. We don't know that. That didn't happen with him. Y'all keep reaching out to me on different award shows, and I'm getting y'all me at the last minute. Don't call me because that's what he said last time.

[D.C.]

Yo, just leave. Don't leave me alone.

[Ice]

Don't even call my phone.

[D.C.]

He did say so.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

That was the All Star game.

[Joe Budden]

If you're serious about it, call me next year. Something else. If you're serious about it. Yeah, yeah, Absolutely. In for next year. I know this is your first re Rehabilitative Grammys rebranding. Getting it right. If you really mean it, let's continue building the relationship. And next year we work.

[D.C.]

If that curtain went up and that was standing out there with just a.

[Ice]

Hat, the socks and the Come on, yo.

[D.C.]

And ain't nobody see him in the stands the whole broadcast, man, that the roof would have came off that building.

[Joe Budden]

That tipsy Janelle.

[Melissa Ford]

I was sitting there like, oh, she about the body is.

[Ish]

Oh, she.

[Ice]

No, she did not body.

[D.C.]

I was just hoping she ain't fall off that table so bad.

[Joe Budden]

My like, yo, please don't fall, mama. I vacuumed again.

[D.C.]

I really like you.

[Joe Budden]

I missed the spot. Shout out to Janelle Monet, friend of the show for sure. Very talented woman.

[Ish]

Just wasn't her name.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Hard to do Mike, bro. It is extremely.

[D.C.]

Everybody can't do Mike.

[Joe Budden]

All right. That's the Grammy.

[Melissa Ford]

That's all I.

[Joe Budden]

That's the Grammys. I want to hit the round of applause for the Grammys getting it right this year. Round the Grammys getting it right this year. Come on, now. I was just on two pods ago on the ground. I ain't watching this N. They did their thing. I did go to the movies in the middle of the Grammys. The just movie was so bad. I was only there for 15 minutes. Movie Flight risk.

[Melissa Ford]

I went and saw the scissors.

[Joe Budden]

Mark Wahlberg.

[Melissa Ford]

Kiki.

[Ish]

How was that? I want to go see that.

[Joe Budden]

You was bored.

[Flip]

You was bored.

[Melissa Ford]

It wasn't. It wasn't for me.

[Joe Budden]

Sh.

[Ish]

Need to come home.

[Joe Budden]

You was bored.

[Flip]

Yo, he missed that. Yo. When I realized that this just doing anything.

[Joe Budden]

When I said I wasn't. No, listen, my new thing is I'll go watch a corny movie by myself just for the going through the motions of being in the movie. My chicken spring roll. Get my little water pop popcorn. I'll do it now. So when I said I wasn't gonna watch the Grammys, I ordered some movie tickets, and they suit me up. It was mad movie time. So I thought it might be. I knew it would be corny, but it was a lot of movie times. I was like, oh, they spending some money. But yeah, whatever. I walked out of there about 20 minutes. Wow. Got out of here. Back at home. Back home in time. Back at home alone, you know, wait on my baby. She'll be here soon.

[Flip]

On the phone.

[Ish]

And you watched it.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Ish]

The Kiki scissors.

[Melissa Ford]

I did. I did.

[Ish]

Was that any better?

[Parks]

You said it wasn't for you.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Melissa Ford]

It wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

That's racist.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it Was entertaining. It's just.

[D.C.]

It was like younger demo.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. It felt like women would enjoy that. It was like a buddy. Yeah, maybe I am. It was like a buddy comedy that was centered around women and it felt like women would enjoy it. My wife loved it.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Ish]

Like the way the crowd. Like a girl strip type of vibe.

[D.C.]

No, like Red man and Method man, but women.

[Melissa Ford]

There we go.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Flip]

Damn. It's good.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not watching Kiki Palmer do anything.

[Melissa Ford]

It felt like an episode of Insecure, kind of with a budget. Like, I'll watch it. It's entertaining.

[Ish]

But you didn't miss nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

Take your wife you passed would have a good time.

[Ish]

I gotta find something to do.

[D.C.]

Y'all had y'all run stupid idiot yellows for all of you, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Trump one now. All right, girl.

[D.C.]

DEI movie this stupid.

[Ish]

Yo, you called it a DEI movie.

[Joe Budden]

No, he called it that. Don't look at me. Don't look at me now.

[D.C.]

I was piggybacking on what you said, though.

[Joe Budden]

I only want to see Kika Palmer fight with her baby daddy. That's it. All that where she showing talent. You got it. Big T is here now.

[Melissa Ford]

Now, I like Kik. Usually.

[Ish]

I love Kik.

[Flip]

T is here.

[Joe Budden]

I love her, too. I ain't up.

[D.C.]

I ain't. Ain't nobody. Yeah, you got it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, this part is cool. Next part we doing talented black woman that we all hate.

[D.C.]

I'm sick.

[Joe Budden]

What you talking about again, man?

[Flip]

Give. Give us an example.

[Joe Budden]

I won't be here as well if I give examples. Is my dad'll be on my phone for the next rest of the week.

[Flip]

Who does your dad like?

[Joe Budden]

Everybody. Black.

[Ice]

Kind of.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

Pop, don't play that.

[Joe Budden]

Don't play that shit. Next time you see dad, my dad just ask him if I was wondering something, man. Like, how many hits Roberta Flack got? Like, honestly.

[Ish]

Wait, ask him that.

[Joe Budden]

Ask him that.

[Ish]

He's anti Roberta Flack.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Ish]

Oh, the opposite.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, no. You're not anti nobody. That's from back in the day. But if you ever just want to with him. Hell, man. Honestly. Real quick. Patton the Bell Ass Slaps.

[D.C.]

Was Smokey really that dude?

[Joe Budden]

I asked him. Lauryn Hill took Roberta Flack slap. So she was.

[Ice]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

She snatched it right from her. And she. What she was going to do about it. Pardon me. What you gonna do about it, Roberta?

[Ice]

Let me get that. Let me get that.

[Joe Budden]

Big dog.

[Flip]

Get out that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Big jersey. She snatched her. That's a Lawrence song.

[Flip]

Yeah, we don't.

[Joe Budden]

What say Something y'all trash.

[Ish]

Man. This is. Man, that's generational. That's generational. Killed that.

[D.C.]

So did Dolly Parton. Don't nobody know it.

[Ish]

You don't want my unpopular opinion about that.

[Flip]

Whitney took that.

[D.C.]

What's your unpopular opinion?

[Joe Budden]

She know everything. I'll be sure. Song.

[Flip]

Hold up.

[D.C.]

The show has to go on.

[Flip]

Oh, we didn't yet.

[Joe Budden]

No, we didn't.

[Ice]

What is it, Mark?

[Flip]

You thought Dolly did better than.

[D.C.]

Don't help him.

[Ish]

Look, y'all not gonna like my unpopular opinion. Let's hear it.

[Ice]

Let's hear it, though.

[Ish]

And I know it's an all Jersey room, so y'all think everything is everything.

[Ice]

No, no, it's cool.

[Ish]

Dolly Parton's version of I, for me, is just as good. It's different.

[Ice]

We about to jump.

[Joe Budden]

This what just as good as what I'm going to.

[Parks]

It's Whitney's version. That's what.

[D.C.]

He's Alvin and the Chipmunk version.

[Ish]

This y'all disrespect. Dolly Parton gets disrespected so much disrespected. Dolly, I love Whitney's version isn't as good as Lawrence, too, right?

[Joe Budden]

Where is W class?

[Ish]

This what makes it good.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, stop it.

[Ish]

Yo, Come on, man. This. This arrangement is way better.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, stop.

[Ish]

It's timeless. The night that Fuji's version is not very. I love it.

[Ice]

I mean, Caramel macchiato.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[D.C.]

Yes.

[Ish]

Wait a minute.

[D.C.]

Yo, let me get a crazy opinion.

[Ish]

Flax version is.

[D.C.]

Can I get a lemon arrangement? A lemon loaf with a pistachio.

[Ish]

Y'all wiling this.

[Ice]

I want the birthday cake pop, too. I like those.

[Joe Budden]

I hate your treat with that bum ass take.

[Ice]

You paying.

[Ish]

You think that this version isn't as good as Lauren? Y'all crazy. Y'all just.

[Flip]

You, you.

[Ish]

Y'all just from the 90s, that's all. I bet your pop would agree with me. That's what I'm saying. That's just some 90s. If you ask most people, they not gonna say that.

[Joe Budden]

This is beautiful. I like some elevator music, though.

[Ice]

Bro, you are out of your mind.

[Ish]

You don't like this version?

[Joe Budden]

This is cool. If I'm making tea like this is. This is a hospital B with a cast on my. Y'all this cool. If I'm hard of hearing, you think?

[Ice]

Hold up, Mark. Hold up, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I love this version. I don't want to hear no Philly voices right now.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Get that stupid elevated music out of here.

[Ish]

Let me tell you something.

[Joe Budden]

This sound like I'M on hold. Representative. Representative.

[Flip]

Press 1.

[Ish]

Everybody 60 and over will agree with.

[Joe Budden]

Will agree with me.

[Flip]

You're not.

[Melissa Ford]

You're not 60.

[Joe Budden]

They wrong.

[Ish]

I'm saying it's generational.

[Joe Budden]

You not 60.

[Ish]

So I can't agree with somebody older.

[Ice]

You wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Can y'all hold up for me? Hold up. Come on.

[Flip]

Listen.

[Joe Budden]

Listen to Wyclef part.

[Melissa Ford]

Give a little tripod.

[Ish]

Plus.

[Ice]

I love this song.

[Joe Budden]

That's my man.

[Ish]

I waited five hours to watch a sing this last month.

[Joe Budden]

Get this out.

[Flip]

Oh, my God. Press three.

[Joe Budden]

Bugging. Bugging. Mark.

[Flip]

So you just the white you. Do you feel like they have a.

[Ish]

Home bird of flag music or it's just this.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. He tried to move the goal. He tried to move the goal.

[Ish]

If you don't like this sound, you say this sound like you like.

[Joe Budden]

It's boring.

[Ish]

I'm saying it don't. It don't sound boring to me. Yeah, I don't think so. I think it's just.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, you talking over great.

[Ish]

I did not say that.

[Joe Budden]

It's you in the kitchen. Mark, you talking over greatness. She took her slap, yo. It's okay. She stole it. Oh, all right. Now we bumped into a impromptu topic. She ain't the only one that got a slap taken from her.

[Ish]

Oh, no.

[Parks]

We did this one time where we talked. We talked about the covers and sometimes the COVID was better than the original.

[Joe Budden]

Let me chill out. Oh, good.

[D.C.]

What, people don't know the original exists?

[Parks]

No, no, I'm just saying that we had this conversation like, you know, a.

[D.C.]

While ago where we talked about just better. It's as Dolly Parton.

[Ice]

It is the only version.

[D.C.]

Yes, as Dolly Parton. Who did it better?

[Ice]

It's the only version.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I can't. I'm smoking.

[D.C.]

Hey, Joe, don't start.

[Ice]

No, he right, though.

[Joe Budden]

I can't though.

[Ice]

Oh, whatever.

[Joe Budden]

But I can't say it. I don't know. I can't say it.

[D.C.]

This a better.

[Joe Budden]

This is a lot better than the Roberta Flack. But it's far apart still.

[Ice]

It's closer.

[Joe Budden]

I can't do that to smoke. It's all the way fire. But what's better?

[Ice]

Go play the other way.

[Flip]

Let it play. Let it play a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to let y'all do that to smoking. And if you. You want it, you got it forever.

[Corey]

This is not a one night stay.

[Joe Budden]

You can't play with Smokey. I don't know. I hear you sing. Banging. Let the music take your mind Shout to wherever you might be listening from.

[Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

50 and up.

[Flip]

50 and up right now.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go, ma'am. Hey.

[Ish]

To me, stealing my slap is different sometime, all right? Okay, go ahead.

[Ice]

Play your.

[Ish]

Play your boy, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I ain't. It's not.

[D.C.]

It's not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not going to do that.

[D.C.]

It's not.

[Ice]

I will.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not going to say it ain't.

[Flip]

I will.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up, though. Y'all talking about this sound like butter.

[Ish]

You think this. You think this kills it, too?

[Ice]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

That Dolly Parton. Whitney Houston is not even.

[Ish]

I said it's an unpopular opinion. I just. I'm just a Dolly Parton fan.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's your opinion. Unpopular. It's your.

[Ish]

I'm a. I'm a Dolly Parton fan.

[D.C.]

I love my mother more than damn near anything.

[Ice]

Breathing.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

If my mother made that Dolly Parton version and Whitney Houston did what she did.

[Ish]

You not like the Dolly Parton version?

[D.C.]

Or do you just think Whitney said it's okay? It ain't what Whitney Houston did. Look, they not in the same state.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Ice]

Planet Universe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, universe.

[Ish]

I'm not. I'm not trying to convince y'all that Dolly Parton's version is better. I'm just saying that my, as I said, unpopular opinion, it's a. It's a quirk of mine. I love Dolly Parton, just like I don't think Beyonce did. Jolene better than Dolly Parton.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's different.

[Ish]

I just.

[D.C.]

She didn't.

[Ish]

You're not gonna tell me she bodied, though. There's no Dolly Parton song. Y'all gonna probably tell me that she did better.

[D.C.]

Dolly Parton, Jolene. That's a fight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It's not a fight.

[D.C.]

No.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[D.C.]

I'm telling you, Whitney Houston ain't a fight. It's Mike Tyson fighting.

[Flip]

Come on.

[Ish]

I'm not. You think you miss what I'm saying? I'm not trying to convince. I'm not saying I'm writing you wrong. I'm saying I'm a Dolly Part Martin fan, and that's my unpopular opinion.

[Ice]

I'm saying we writing you wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

The hook. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Another one I ain't really gonna have no conversation about.

[Ish]

How about I give you one?

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I wanna tell you, baby, this is his song. The original don't really exist.

[Ish]

Which one are you talking about, superstar?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know there was more than one.

[Ish]

There's Bette Midler's version.

[Joe Budden]

There's a Carpenter never talking about Ben Midler. Who's a white? Weird Al Yankovic.

[Parks]

It's the Carpenter.

[Ish]

There's four versions. There's four versions of this before. That's why I was asking which one. It wasn't a crazy question.

[Flip]

I'm playing.

[Joe Budden]

When it comes to the old blacks, Carpenters are white. Don't say Bet Midler.

[Ish]

Which is why I was saying every version was white before.

[D.C.]

None of them exist.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I ain't going to lie.

[Ish]

I love. I think this version is the best one, but I just was. Which one he was talking about. The other ones don't suck.

[Flip]

You write a document. You writing a book on him, right?

[Joe Budden]

As soon as he get this little part out right here. Hey. At home listening. 40 and up. 40 and up right now. Put a light in the sky right now. Rest in peace, Luther. Rest in peace. Fat Luther and skinny Luther. Let's go. Yo, don't do that. Let's go. Who want a flute? Hey, the Carpenters can go lay some carpets. Go get them some molding. They can take their ass to lows when this come on. Let me let him get in his bag real quick. Then I got one more I want to ask y'all who make. Who has the best version, and then we can move on. Let him cook. I don't care if you're taking a while. I don't care if you're taking a long time. I don't give a.

[D.C.]

Bet.

[Flip]

Middler. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Don't ever say Ben Midler again up here. She's like the songstress Ronald Reagan. Get the out of here.

[Flip]

She.

[Ish]

I leave it alone.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you got.

[Ish]

I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up. I just want to tell you the other day when you said in the 60s, 70s, the white. The white ladies couldn't have took you out.

[Ish]

You think? V. Miller had me.

[Joe Budden]

Remember? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. For the music lovers out here, Bet Midler, who Don't say that dumb again up here. All right, who has the best version of this song?

[Parks]

I really.

[Ish]

There's only one version.

[Flip]

One more.

[Ish]

Bonnie race version. I'm taking Bonnie every time.

[Parks]

Bonnie Raitt.

[Ish]

I'm taking Bonnie Raitt every time.

[Joe Budden]

You say Bonnie Raitt's version of I can't make you love me is the best one.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Ish]

And I don't think it's.

[Joe Budden]

I mean. Let me hear what bags she was in. Let me see.

[Corey]

Turn down the line.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Hold up. Let's go by Big man.

[Parks]

These voices inside my head.

[Corey]

Lay down with me.

[Ice]

I can't Sit on it.

[Joe Budden]

I can't shoot on the best version. 50 and up. 50 and up out there. 70 and up out there. Nah, her shit is still fire. Her shit's still fire. I'm biased, though. See, the music be sounding crisper and it's older. Like. I like that time capsule of how it sounds from the 70s or whatever. But everybody did this. Prince did this. Will Downing did this. Tank did this.

[Ish]

None of them did as good as mine.

[Joe Budden]

I hear you. I ain't gonna press y'all to death right now. Is Mark here? Did we lose Mark?

[Melissa Ford]

We lost Mark.

[Joe Budden]

We lost him here.

[Flip]

We lost him. I have a question for you.

[Joe Budden]

Did I lose him?

[Ice]

Okay.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Little nasty word.

[Flip]

Do you feel that I have more perks than you up here?

[Joe Budden]

Talk to him.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Flip]

Do you feel that you get treated unfairly? Not by the. We're just talking about when it comes in comparison to others.

[Joe Budden]

Say answer it right or edit it out.

[Flip]

Yeah, comparison to me. Do you feel like it's. Do you feel like it's unfair? I get, you know.

[Parks]

Are you talking about contractually?

[Ish]

I don't wanna.

[Flip]

We don't wanna use that word.

[Joe Budden]

I just gave her that word.

[Flip]

Yeah, but anything pertaining to anything. Cause you've called me privately and asked me how I got a couple of things before.

[Parks]

Mm.

[Flip]

And I told you, and. But then now you're complaining about certain things.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy.

[Flip]

Can you respond to that? Because it hurts when I hear it.

[Parks]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

I think it's just them two. I don't think it's me. They dead ass right now about what they say. Like, Mel has called. We've seen it before, Mel. And I'm out of this. I'm out of this.

[Parks]

One more time, Mel.

[Flip]

I'm saying that. Why must you always highlight the advantages that I may have instead of supporting me? Cause when you called me, I gave you the breakdown. I told you this is what I did. This is what I worked into it. This is what it was. So then. Now, why are you using that against me?

[Joe Budden]

Cause she was afraid to ask for.

[Parks]

Some of them things. I'm not using it. I'm not using it against you. It just does appear like you have special privileges up here. Like, you come and go as you please. You come in late. Like, it's just. That is by all appearances, what it looks like up here.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I think that it's easier. I don't want to throw anybody else in the bus. I just think it's easier to. To come at the man that can't Keep up with you in certain spaces.

[Parks]

I think you keep up just fine.

[Flip]

Yeah, but mine's.

[Parks]

I saw that five minutes ago.

[Flip]

Oh, God. Mine is more erratic. Now, there's another nigga that come in here late, but if you was to present the same offer to him, the conversation would go different. You would be more okay.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Parks]

Who you talking about?

[Flip]

There's only one. Do you know the muffins? Only one nigga in here. You can't tell that nigga about coming to la. In society, we pick and choose. You ain't gonna impress my man by coming in late. Yo, HP coming in late. He coming late, too.

[Parks]

Yeah, no, I have. I have. I have talked about that. I've also talked about why the. Am I standing up at the board. Like, I. Like this is what.

[Flip]

Yeah, but you did that in the ill way. You told Joe about the board. We came in here.

[Parks]

No, no, no. Before I. No, no.

[Ish]

Before.

[Parks]

Before I said anything to Joe, I literally said it to y'all. I was like, I'm not standing up here for the good of my mother.

[Flip]

Yeah, but we didn't take that. We thought you was having another one of your tissue fits. We didn't take that serious. Now, you went to tell Joe, walked ahead.

[Parks]

So I guess that's what happens is, like, when a woman's speaking, just regard her with, you know, dismissal. Okay.

[Flip]

Not women, but you.

[Parks]

Oh, okay.

[D.C.]

Yo, let me ask you first.

[Flip]

How many times have you gotten up this couch and ran to the back and ran around in circles and stuff?

[Parks]

Wait, what?

[Flip]

How many times? How many times have you. How many times have you came in here in the park and just started.

[Joe Budden]

Yelling off of a topic, clutching your stomach, running home?

[D.C.]

Now, I want to ask you two questions.

[Flip]

Hold on, hold on. I wanted to answer internal fire. It's been plenty of times that you came to the podcast and you started yelling. So at that time, when you did, you did say that twice. Yo, I'm up here on the board. Ice got up one time and said, I'll help you, ma'am. Yes, but the time Joe called us outside, niggas had a great PA before. We thought we was coming in for another one. He called the meeting out there, and you act like he was on our side when you started it.

[Parks]

You sat there like, I was looking for consistency, Mel, but you didn't even join us.

[Flip]

The nigga was checking us. Yo, y'all don't ride on the board. It's from him. And you just sat there with us in solidarity, like, yeah, Joe, why you Talking to them like that. But you was the one that brought it to him.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God I got the shade.

[Flip]

Yeah, ask the question. Oh, he rolling.

[Joe Budden]

Look.

[Flip]

Oh, they gonna see who go.

[D.C.]

I just wanna ask two questions.

[Parks]

You know what? No. Oh, no. This was a 1v1. I don't have the energy for this shit. And to continue on. Like, we got like, what, two more hours? No, you can ask me later. But no.

[Flip]

Wait, What?

[Parks]

What?

[Flip]

I ain't gonna lie. You different from Tuesdays, you different. Tuesdays and Friday, you was different. And I see when a woman feel like she got somebody that got her back, how she act. I'm gonna investigate this. My wife do the same thing with her mother around.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, shut up, nigga.

[Flip]

Like, who you talking to now? I have to respect her cause her mother there. But she's so crazy, slamming shit. She's slamming the broom in front of her moms.

[Ish]

So I'm your mother in law.

[Joe Budden]

No, but Mel was on my ass the whole first 40 minutes, maybe 30 minutes of this broadcast.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I had to pull outside like, yo, I'm your friend.

[Flip]

And then Friday, Friday, she be cool. She be like, I see it. I think it's fly, though. I think how you pick and choose is fly. But it's just obvious to niggas that know you.

[Parks]

It can't just be my response to certain energy or certain things that are said to me that might have an effect on me regardless of the day. It has nothing to do with.

[Flip]

I'm just saying that with Mark here, you feel more secure.

[Parks]

No, that's not true, Mel. It is. No, it's not true. I love the addition that Mark is, but I don't feel any more safe.

[Joe Budden]

Historically.

[Flip]

We're not talking about safe.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Flip]

We're not talking about safety. I think you're safe around us and you make that clear. But I think when it comes to the broadcast, you're willing to talk up more when it comes to certain topics because you know that Mark and you agree on a lot of the same things. I went back and I did the research and you know, I got the programs, so I had to write, though she talked to Friday. We get mad crazy shit off.

[Parks]

There's. I don't. I can't read his mind. I don't know if he's going to agree with me on any topic that I bring up. Like, I don't.

[Ish]

That's right.

[Parks]

It's true. I don't. And there's been times where I've said something and he.

[Joe Budden]

He totally disagrees.

[Melissa Ford]

With you.

[Flip]

But how does he disagree with you, man? Can you be honest with me? Because I love you as a sister. He doesn't disagree with you like how we do. Right. He wouldn't make you feel. Yes, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't make you far away.

[Parks]

Imagine. Imagine how that feels when somebody can disagree with you in a respectful manner.

[Flip]

I have no argument to that.

[Parks]

Or like, feel like they're not. Feel like they're not all pouncing on you all at the same time. So then your thoughts get fragmented and shit like that. I don't want to turn this. We're potting. Okay. I don't want to turn this into this.

[Flip]

I've seen issues with you in a. In a respectful way.

[Parks]

He has. He has. I'm not taking that away from him. And that's why I'm not just putting. I'm not just putting the cape on Mark's back.

[Joe Budden]

She's got a point.

[Flip]

That nigga Cape is from. Is in Hudson.

[Ish]

I'm not caping.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Parks]

I think that's it. And honestly, I don't think it's fair to him to say that he capes for me.

[Flip]

No. I feel like you. And I think I respect. And I did my research on him. I feel like you guys. I feel like you guys are one and one on certain. I feel like you guys are one of. One of one on certain topics.

[Joe Budden]

I know he done had a few talks.

[Flip]

He's not. He's not. He's not gonna. He's not gonna sit here and disagree. Anything pertaining to women and women's rights. He's not gonna. He's not. My brand is.

[Joe Budden]

Mark.

[Flip]

Brand is.

[Ish]

It's not a brand, though. I actually believe it.

[Flip]

I'm saying. But it's polished, though, Mark. You understand what I'm saying? I'm not trying to.

[Ish]

I'm not saying that. I'm not associated with that. What I'm saying is I actually believe it.

[Flip]

I know you do. What I'm saying is that me. I will talk.

[D.C.]

I didn't say a word, my brother. I don't want no smoke.

[Ish]

Yeah, you good.

[Flip]

You good, son.

[Ish]

Nah, I do.

[Flip]

Number one. M is bigger than the other.

[D.C.]

M and Ms, remember?

[Flip]

One hold more weight now. You know what I'm saying? You could have just came to save me. You'd be letting me go on the edge.

[Joe Budden]

I'm already in hot water over here. Mel is upholding whatever our time wasted beef is. I think so. I'm just trying to chill Just trying to chill. Giving grace is dangerous. We just want to be cool. I'm chilling. I don't want no male smoke.

[D.C.]

I love this 11th floor, please.

[Ish]

Tripping. This is such a beautiful arrangement, man. Live band.

[Joe Budden]

That agreeing shit between Mark and Mel got until May. Wait till the weather get nice. He can't never go home. Hey, agreeing in the winter is one thing.

[Flip]

Mel could say something crazy, he'll bite his right lip.

[Parks]

It's that because you perceive it as being crazy.

[Flip]

Well, it's crazy to men.

[Joe Budden]

You seen one?

[Parks]

So Mark's not a man.

[Flip]

He is.

[Joe Budden]

Did you say?

[Parks]

And Mark's not an intelligent man?

[Flip]

Very.

[Joe Budden]

What that have to do with anything?

[Flip]

Intellect has nothing to do with this.

[Parks]

So his assessment. His assessment.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all are too smart.

[Parks]

As his assessment of being. Of me being crazy.

[Flip]

But I don't think you're crazy.

[Parks]

Mark doesn't have the same.

[Flip]

I don't think you're crazy is just. I don't think you're crazy at all.

[Parks]

You guys like to throw. That's what I tell you.

[Ish]

This is what I tell you. This is what I take. This is what I tell you.

[Joe Budden]

There are times I'm not crazy.

[Flip]

Hold me down, Mark, right now, please. As your brother black dads. I am one.

[Ish]

You are black dad. No, I mean, there are times where I don't agree and sometimes it may also disagree with. I don't feel the need to jump in because three of y'all already doing that or two of y'all already doing that. Just like I wouldn't do the same thing with y'all.

[Flip]

Like, did you jump me, though, with the fellas? Cause I'm a guy, right?

[Ish]

It depends. It depends.

[Flip]

You'll crack joke. You'll jump me with the fellas. Crack joke.

[Ish]

If it's a joke. If it's a joke, yes. Just like when Joe walked out with that tv, we all cracked up. Cause it was funny. It's a joke. And I joked too, right?

[Flip]

But really, Mark?

[Ish]

Oh, I did.

[Flip]

You pulled back a little bit. Because I think that you watch. You're a student of the game, you watch. And you don't want to make Mel feel uncomfortable because you guys are colleagues from before, friends.

[Ish]

That seems not like a reasonable thing to do.

[Joe Budden]

Colleagues from the past.

[Flip]

You said what it seemed like what I'm sorry you said.

[Ish]

I didn't. I do it because I don't want to make her uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't want to make her uncomfortable.

[Joe Budden]

Why not?

[Ish]

I don't want to make you uncomfortable.

[Flip]

But you did A couple of times.

[Ish]

I apologize. Let me know when I do it next time. We can talk about it. In that moment, I didn't realize that. I didn't realize I made. I didn't realize I hurt your feelings. We can hug it out.

[Flip]

I don't want to be a weekend. I love Corey like you pee the bitch, Curly.

[Ish]

Fuck you feelings. Fuck you doing feelings, bitch ass nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Meldy, probably not the best segue. Do you want to address the Carlos Miller tweet?

[Parks]

Uh, shit.

[Melissa Ford]

Who's Carlos Miller?

[Joe Budden]

Carlos Miller is from 85 South.

[Flip]

85 South.

[Joe Budden]

Little subtweet out there that people just attached to our pod.

[Parks]

Yeah, I was on. I was doom scrolling on Twitter. Stupid me.

[Flip]

Carlos with D.C. in him. Well, he said something.

[Parks]

That's the homie I'm gonna paraphrase, but something. His tweet was something to the effect of that lady. He did. No, the. It did not say that. It said that, lady.

[Joe Budden]

I read it wrong. All right, lady.

[Flip]

He'S dancing with me.

[Parks]

That lady up there hates all those up there.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's the word around town. That is the word around the streets. I'm gonna be honest.

[Joe Budden]

That is.

[Flip]

A lot of people feel that way.

[Parks]

I don't give a fuck.

[Flip]

And I tell them that you love me, but they, you know, I don't care. You should care. Cause we your friends.

[Parks]

No. Like, no, I don't care what people have to say. I don't give a fuck. I think that it was. It was a stupid observation, Carlos. And also put the fucking. Put a name on the bullet. Just put a name on the fucking Bullet. Like, why subtweet for what? I don't know. You like, okay, sure. But it's just. It starts a conversation that just gets fucking nasty.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Parks]

You know what I mean? For what reason? And without really actually analyzing what took place up here and the conversation and how, you know, it could make certain parties feel. It's like just the fucking complete and total dismissal of, like, my feelings. Like, just because I'm upset doesn't mean I hate y'all. That's ridiculous. Like, I'm a grown ass, critically thinking woman.

[Flip]

Like, critically acclaimed actress, too.

[Parks]

Stop it.

[Joe Budden]

And historically, with all that men have done to women.

[Parks]

Stop it.

[Flip]

Stop backing you up, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, what you think?

[Ish]

I think that Roberta Flack arrangement the strings. The fucking strings, man.

[Joe Budden]

ASAP trial. ASAP trial.

[Melissa Ford]

What's the newest.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. Come on. Put your little BlackBerry away, nigga. Come on, join us. Stop here. I was trying to find your ass in here.

[D.C.]

I was trying to find a Carlos tweet outside.

[Joe Budden]

I was telling Ish. This guy is insane, bro. All right, 30 seconds on this.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

45.

[Melissa Ford]

I'll start this time.

[Joe Budden]

Just 45.

[D.C.]

Nah, I'm good, bro.

[Joe Budden]

All right. You'll have to say that I'm cool. All right, I'll talk for 45 seconds. Outside, I was admiring. It's just hoodie.

[D.C.]

We don't have to do that, bro.

[Flip]

It's just nice.

[Joe Budden]

I won't do it.

[Flip]

My voice.

[Joe Budden]

My voice.

[Ice]

I beeped it when he walked over.

[Flip]

I ain't going to lie.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Flip]

What's that? You appropriate. Whatever. You take the black to a whole another level.

[Joe Budden]

But that's.

[D.C.]

That's what I'm doing.

[Joe Budden]

I said, hey now. Hey now. Say now all about my. Okay, that's it.

[Melissa Ford]

45 seconds.

[Joe Budden]

This weekend, team building. That's it. That's it. I've seen enough.

[Ish]

What's team building?

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Flip]

This weekend, team building.

[Joe Budden]

Team building is in full effect.

[Flip]

But no, hold on. So we should. We. But I think we. I think. No, I think that if it affects. If it affects us, we should take certain things out.

[Joe Budden]

Word.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to let them.

[Flip]

I thought my man was down with it. If my man don't like that, then I don't stand on that. I was participating in the joke.

[Joe Budden]

I want to let the millions listening know that everyone here has an aux and editing power.

[Parks]

True.

[Flip]

Can I ask you a question? Cause I like to bring stuff from behind the scenes on camera.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Flip]

Yeah. See, that's two. You did that. Do that to her with the shit she just said about the tweet. So after our exchange, you go outside and bother my man. After our exchange, Our conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we were talking about something else that the audience don't know about.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

And then. Well, yeah, I get that some of y'all think I'm barbersome. I get that. And I've accepted it. And by some, I mean three of y'all. And by three of y'all, I just mean flip ish and male. I'm kind of fly with everybody else, Joe and me, and it's just really fly. It's just like a bizarre, dynamic thing.

[Parks]

Bromance.

[Joe Budden]

Bromance.

[Flip]

So you.

[Joe Budden]

It's just not a bro, man. I don't.

[Flip]

So who you not really fly with, though? Cause when you put the word really on something, I mean, it's just really fly. So who you're not really fly with? Me and Mel. Like, where. Where are we on your phone?

[Parks]

He looks at Us as his problem. Problem children.

[Flip]

I ain't nobody problem child. I've been a problem child my whole life. But where do you look at us On a fly meter? Like you and Ish is really fly, so boom. Where's Mel? Is she really fly or she just fl.

[Joe Budden]

No, me and Mel fly.

[Flip]

Oh, so she here.

[Joe Budden]

We're flip. Me and Mel fly.

[Flip]

We're me, we.

[Joe Budden]

You and I, we fly.

[Flip]

So me and Mel is in the same tier. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But on different tillers. Same shit, but different pillars. Got you asap.

[Ice]

Rocky.

[Joe Budden]

Who's caught up? Who's caught up? Who's caught up? Who's caught up?

[Melissa Ford]

I saw the. The.

[Joe Budden]

If you're not caught up, let me just catch you up. This is a wrap. It's over.

[Melissa Ford]

It's over.

[Joe Budden]

It's done. It's not done. They don't have a case, but it's done. Oh, this is a wrap.

[Melissa Ford]

What happened?

[Joe Budden]

Didn't witness rally, took the stand for five days and just crashed out.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, really?

[Ish]

That's why he didn't take.

[Joe Budden]

He sounds like a complete nutcase up there. They've proven him to be a liar. Non credible delusional. They've proven him to be. Remember we kept saying, ASAP must know something that we don't know? Yep. Yeah. Like we were right. ASAP knew the dude was an idiot.

[Melissa Ford]

Ah.

[Joe Budden]

And if you just give an idiot enough room and rope, they'll do the.

[D.C.]

Work for you with a qualified attorney.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Give me mine and Rihanna's attorneys versus this dummy. We win. I'm not taking six months anywhere. Walk me to my vehicle.

[Flip]

What did he do that makes him. Was it the cross examination?

[D.C.]

They caught him lying. They caught him lying on the first day. They caught him lying the first day.

[Joe Budden]

The calls that he said were fake calls. They proved that he actually made the.

[D.C.]

Call he threatened to make.

[Joe Budden]

Called during the trial. He called the homeboy that he said the call was fake during the trial and said, yo, man, why.

[D.C.]

Why, why you ain't telling on me?

[Joe Budden]

This nigga is a complete nut case. Really? And this has proven to be the money grab that asap. And them said asap. I totally apologize for saying that. You should have took that six months based on the evidence or discovery. I was wrong. I didn't know that this dude was as stupid as you knew him to be. So.

[D.C.]

So did they kick it yet or no?

[Parks]

Not yet.

[Joe Budden]

No. But it should happen. The judge just asked the prosecutors if they're able to ethically continue to prosecute the case.

[Ish]

Oh, damn. All Right.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's just a wrap then.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Really?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

This is over.

[Ish]

I don't trust jurors, but it sounds like this is way.

[Joe Budden]

It might not get.

[Ice]

I don't think it's going to get to George.

[Joe Budden]

It might not get to the all white jurors.

[Ish]

Do you think it's.

[Flip]

But he's the only witness, right? Would he be the only major prosecutors?

[D.C.]

He's the major.

[Ice]

The main one.

[Joe Budden]

Prosecution has rested their case. Defense ain't even started. Oh, that was just on the cross.

[D.C.]

They went there like, yo, your honor.

[Joe Budden]

What are we doing?

[D.C.]

What are we doing?

[Joe Budden]

Basically, he's so dumb up there. I would shoot at him again after the trial was over. Here. He ain't nothing he can do.

[Flip]

Out the courthouse.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Hey, grab the non starter pistol. Now that this is over, let's talk to him a little bit. So, yeah, congratulations to ASAP Rocky ahead of time because this is not over yet. But anybody with common sense and I was like, this is. Are you wasting our taxpayer money?

[D.C.]

And. And I'm getting charged. Oh, I know. They cracking in it. Rihanna bank well, ASAP. Got some bread.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[D.C.]

Probably the $4,000 hour lawyers.

[Joe Budden]

How many weddings I've got.

[D.C.]

How much do we got? He got some money.

[Joe Budden]

What though?

[D.C.]

If I had to guess.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

30.

[Joe Budden]

30Amps? I don't know, maybe.

[Flip]

Is that from the fat? His sponsorships and fashion deals.

[D.C.]

I'm not counting another man pockets.

[Flip]

No, I'm not.

[D.C.]

But we could talk about it off camera.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. I don't know. I was just. I don't know.

[Flip]

I wasn't trying to be always knowing some. Some ill son. I ain't gonna lie.

[Melissa Ford]

He's had a successful rap career. He's had people that he put on. He's got the fashion career he's got. He's not broke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I would assume. And they have some money from all that fashion. Yeah. Whether it's 30, 20 new kids or something. And when I marry Rihanna, I'm going to book new deals.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, of course, that part.

[D.C.]

And, and I hate to tell you, him saying that I don't want to lose none of my deals and none of my business shit. Yeah, like, yo dog, that was fire. My wife got fenty nigga. I might be the face of fenty Men's coming. Any of that shit.

[Joe Budden]

He was. He was the face.

[D.C.]

Nah, I'm a roll off phonety fuck you talking about, nigga? This is my shit. The Harlem version.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations to A.S.A.P. rocky ahead of time, homeboy B.A. humbug. Bajan bug with homeboy. What else is there? What else is there important?

[Ice]

Well, you talking about charges and trials and shit. Michael Jordan's son back out there again.

[Parks]

What'd he do now?

[D.C.]

He's got locked up in Florida.

[Ice]

Got him in Florida? Yeah.

[Ish]

DUI and position.

[Joe Budden]

That white girl and resisting that white girl two ways.

[D.C.]

Double entire.

[Ish]

Get you every time.

[Flip]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

What does everyone think?

[D.C.]

I think he sniff coke and he rich. So ain't nothing gonna happen.

[Ice]

Nothing gonna happen to him.

[Ish]

No. You gonna get a slap.

[Joe Budden]

I love who y'all choose to pull out y'all free hims for.

[Ice]

I ain't saying free nobody.

[Joe Budden]

You said free Poosheisti.

[Ice]

No, I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you did.

[Ice]

Oh, I did.

[D.C.]

What's his nickname?

[Joe Budden]

See it?

[Ice]

7, 6, 2.

[Joe Budden]

He definitely said it. I'm with friend Pooh Shiesty. Just ban him from all strip clubs in America.

[Ice]

No long as he can get to the studio. That's all I need. Just get to the booth. But, yeah, I'm not saying free him.

[Parks]

I'm not saying free.

[Joe Budden]

By the time he get out, killer nigga's gonna be out of style. Can't kill niggas no more.

[Flip]

Killing niggas.

[Ice]

But it ain't a market for.

[Joe Budden]

It's a market for that for a.

[Ice]

Minute, but now they kind of moving away from that a little bit.

[Flip]

If you pay attention to what they said, he did.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Flip]

Oh, Marcus Jordan.

[Joe Budden]

Coke.

[Parks]

Coke.

[Ice]

He did it.

[Ish]

He got caught with a DUI that had possession of cocaine. Allegedly. And it resisting the rest of the other charges.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying allegedly. I know we have to say it for legal purposes, but any that has a little cocaine with him during their watermelon for breakfast had it with him for the rest of the day. He had it with him for the rest of the day. I'm not taking a drive without it if I can't eat watermelon without it. He ain't had that regular shit either.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's a good shit.

[Ish]

His shit is good.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, his shit is good shit.

[Ice]

He got the good shit.

[Joe Budden]

I would assume Florida.

[Ish]

And this is just the reason why I don't want to give kids all this money unless I know they responsible. Cause he got nothing to stop me.

[Parks]

He's a kid.

[Ish]

No, I mean, where's he? He's my children. I mean, just children. I got same thing. I'm just saying, like, I wouldn't give. I worry that he has no end in sight because he got all the money in the world, all the lawyers.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, we literally have no expectations.

[Ish]

That's all I'm saying. Like, it's just dangerous. He seems like he's on a bad course right now. I hope he can get it. Get it right.

[Joe Budden]

He should probably get more of your vitriol than Bronny.

[Ish]

I ain't got no vitriol against either of them.

[Joe Budden]

It's all right, brother.

[Ish]

I like both of them.

[Joe Budden]

It's all right, my brother.

[Ish]

I love Bronnie.

[Joe Budden]

You've been mighty silent while Bronny been dropping 17, 19, 21, 23.

[Ish]

In the Gatorade League, right?

[Joe Budden]

In any league, nigga. You had zero points in the fucking league in my wah. That you'd be going to.

[Ish]

And if somebody drafted me, you'd be like, why the fuck they draft Mark? And you was a no show.

[Joe Budden]

And them niggas that got drafted right after him cumulatively are averaging 12 points.

[Ish]

Yeah, look. And he's averaging less than that, right? Or you talking about in the G League?

[Joe Budden]

All three of them together after him are averaging 12 points in the G.

[Ish]

League or in the NBA.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. He's averaging less than that in the NBA. He's averaging less than them in the NBA.

[Joe Budden]

So still you want to talk about Bronny and not Marshall Jordan?

[Ish]

I don't have any interest in talking about Brian.

[Joe Budden]

What do you have to say to Marcus Jordan, who's doing coke with cantaloupe?

[Ish]

First of all, if it's your money. Let me tell you something.

[D.C.]

I don't have to sniff no coke, but I'm a fan of cantaloupe.

[Ish]

First of all, cantaloupe is delicious. Second, if it's your coke and it's your money and you ain't hurting nobody, I don't have any judgment against you. I ain't got no. I'm not mad at it.

[Joe Budden]

It's not his money.

[D.C.]

Who money is it?

[Ice]

Dui.

[Ish]

What? Says if he didn't steal it, where does he work?

[Joe Budden]

Hold up.

[Ice]

That is a dui. So you drive.

[Joe Budden]

Does he have a job?

[Ish]

Listen to what I'm saying.

[Parks]

He's a trust fund.

[Joe Budden]

What's the job?

[Ish]

When I say his money, what I mean is he's not stealing it. He's legal. You know what I'm saying? Marcus Jordan is hurting himself. I don't want him to hurt himself. I hope he does better because I want him to do better, but he's not harming anybody. I don't stigmatize people who use drugs. I think it's a bad choice, but I'm not Judging him for it. I think Bronny's an amazing kid. I ain't got nothing bad to say about Bronny, but if we talk about Marcus Jordan, I want him to make better choices because it's really dangerous. That's all. I ain't got nothing bad to say about him.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, try coke and broccoli. Like, just try some different mixes.

[Ice]

Try to coke at home.

[Parks]

Yeah. Don't, like, get behind the wheel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, don't drive and do that.

[Ish]

That's a shot. Don't.

[Joe Budden]

People at risk. On the news, every morning, I'm seeing an accident. Just this morning, somebody in a Tesla crashed into a divider. Over there on the highway over there, two people. Well, she died. She died. The dude is in stable condition. But every morning on the news, they show you a drunk driver or someone driving under the influence of something that killed somebody else. Yeah, like, that's not fly. Especially if you're not ill with the drunk driver.

[Ish]

No such thing. For the purpose of this audience.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Ish]

He's not ill with the drunk drive.

[Flip]

I know what you're talking about. You can't say that. You just can't.

[Joe Budden]

Man. What'd you think?

[D.C.]

Hey, yo, and I think that nigga's a lick.

[Joe Budden]

You think who's a lick?

[Flip]

Marcus.

[Joe Budden]

Well, duh. We knew that.

[D.C.]

No, he's having a monster. Yeah, they just showed him with another monster.

[Joe Budden]

Who. Because you. When you say monster, I maybe don't always think they're monsters.

[D.C.]

Nicole Murphy.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. That's a monster. She's a monster.

[Ice]

That's Godzilla.

[Joe Budden]

She's a monster.

[Melissa Ford]

But that's.

[Joe Budden]

Who made that noise? Who made that noise? The room.

[Flip]

Piss.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Creaky walls.

[Joe Budden]

You better sit there, look cute.

[Parks]

Are you looking at me? I can't see through those.

[Flip]

That is so.

[Joe Budden]

That is so right now.

[D.C.]

It's so tricky.

[Flip]

The bl.

[Joe Budden]

I heard y'all was hearing your breathing pattern. Your breathing pattern changed, like you wanted to get froggy. You better look cute. You better look cute. You was in la, too. You. You better just sit there and do your pod and hot and bar. What you got to take? You got Nicole Murphy Tank. No, I bet. Like, you ain't got a drink. Take. Sit your ass down.

[Flip]

Be cute.

[Joe Budden]

I know. There's some crust over there, too. It got to be. Give us some tea.

[Parks]

No, I will not give any to.

[Joe Budden]

The rest of the room. Do y'all think it's some tea? You know it's some tea there. Nicole Murphy taking one of male old works.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

And we can move on. Mark.

[D.C.]

I think they. They might. I think they ask them on sisters.

[Joe Budden]

Cloud for your man.

[Ish]

I. No, I'm sweating the rock. I have no idea. I don't know anything about Mel's personal life.

[Joe Budden]

That's right. That's right. Don't say nothing to where. When you walk in the house, you got to avoid the room. Cuz she in. They got to walk through. Didn't. Don't you go in that kitchen now.

[Ish]

We could.

[Joe Budden]

Man, the kitchen is the worst place to find your girl. Mad scrubbing the out that pot. She getting it in all the wrist action. All right, what else is going on? No. Asap. We done with him?

[Ish]

Since we talking about who burn.

[Joe Budden]

How's your cork? All right. No, come on. What else we got? What else we got?

[Ish]

Since we talking who the NBA just had?

[Joe Budden]

Maybe. Hey, let's do it.

[Ish]

Biggest trade in NBA history. Maybe it's the most surprising trade in history.

[D.C.]

They said. I don't think it's the first time 2 all pros got traded directly from one another.

[Ish]

Yeah. In the same. During the regular season. In the season mid season. It was a shocker. This was the most shock to the point that people thought that Shams was hacked. Because it did.

[Joe Budden]

We all thought it was fake. Yeah.

[Ish]

It didn't seem.

[Ice]

Bro, it was intel or some. I'm like, yo, y'all. Y'all done got caught. Duped y'all again, right? I like, oh, this is real.

[Ish]

This is real. And it's.

[Joe Budden]

And whenever that broke, some other shit was heating up online. I was doing something else where there's like, Luca. Lakers, like, wait, who is a Laker, right?

[Ish]

It was so. Because, like, Beyonce had announced her her shit. Kanye was tweeting wild shit. Then they announced it was all happening.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was a lot.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was a lot.

[Joe Budden]

It was a clusterfuck of shit.

[Ish]

I was like, this can't be real, this game. It was trending.

[Joe Budden]

Luka Doncic from the Dallas Mavericks traded for Anthony Davis of the Los Angeles Lakers and Max Christie and one draft pick.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

And we got Luka Keebler or Klebber.

[Joe Budden]

And the white boy that could shoot.

[D.C.]

That could shoot the threes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

Tall kid.

[Ish]

As a Laker fan, how do you feel about that trade?

[D.C.]

I'm happy for the long term. Luka's a top seven player on the face of the planet. You know what I'm saying? So you can't turn down that. With LeBron being 40, AD being inconsistent and AD they said was gonna want the supermax I just think that you can't turn down Luka at 25, 26 years old. I also think that the style of play at the Lakers has been boring as fuck. So LA demands a certain style. Like we want to be Hollywood Lakers. We wanna be Running Gun and exciting. That shit that we be doing now, that shit will put you to sleep.

[Ish]

I just don't see this. I mean, I get it long term, right? You say we need a new face, we need a new superstar for 10 years. Luka's the guy that makes sense to me. But if you're trying to win with LeBron now, this team is worse today than it was three days ago.

[Ice]

What are the odds that the Lakers.

[D.C.]

Was gonna go to the championship with this team is currently constructed.

[Ish]

Oh, it wasn't. It wasn't.

[D.C.]

So what's your. So what'd you lose?

[Ish]

So I agree with the strategy. I'm saying. What I'm saying is.

[Joe Budden]

But I can't say that.

[Ish]

But you punt on LeBron, but it means you're punting on LeBron. And I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think the Lakers. The Lakers for the past few years, it seems casually, because I'm not like a Laker guy, but it seemed like they've adopted like some of the spurs regular season thinking, like, okay, let's do what we got to do regular season. We don't need to be a first, second or third seed because we can beat Houston, who's the fourth seed. Right. We can beat the Grizzlies, who's whatever. See? And then we'll take on that schedule. That's how they won the fucking. The last chip. They won in the bubble when nobody had them going in.

[D.C.]

Yeah, that was years ago.

[Ish]

And it's been back for years.

[D.C.]

It wasn't that many, three or four. But this is the thing. All of the teams in the west have gotten better with Denver still being the pinnacle. The Lakers are not drafting players and or making trades to contend with Denver. If Denver is the top shotters, we not getting no big bodies.

[Joe Budden]

They're not.

[Ish]

I'm gonna say OKC is the bro.

[D.C.]

Until you dethrone Denver. They.

[Joe Budden]

Him. They've been dethroned already.

[Ish]

Yeah, they weren't in the chat.

[Joe Budden]

Dallas went to the finals.

[Ish]

Dallas went to the finals last year. That's what I'm saying.

[D.C.]

But all right, I'm gonna give you that. What I'm saying is this beat the.

[Joe Budden]

Thunder Dog or was that the Wolves? I'm sorry.

[D.C.]

Niggas are going to get people to contend With Joker, that's what Dallas just did. We got two big boys. We got Lively and the other kid, young kid, Gafford. Now we gonna go get AD who defends him pretty good. He's long, he's quick, he defends him pretty well. But we need some other niggas to contend with Joker in the playoffs. And that's how the great teams do mid season. They make a trade that is looking.

[Ish]

For players, like the Pistons did when they got Rasheed Wallace on what y'all.

[D.C.]

Did when y'all got Mutombo.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want us to spend too much time breaking down the basketball side of things on this, because I don't think anything about this is a basketball move.

[Ish]

No, that's right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, if this were a basketball move, the thinking is you would. If I'm trading my franchise player, all NBA, first team, led the league in scoring, just took us to the finals. Then I'm opening up the negotiations to every team. Hey, what you got for me? What you got for me? What you got for me? It's being reported that they only called the Lakers and they were like, what do you think of this? And then to not get any draft picks back. You know, I'm a Knick fan. We spent five picks on Mikel Bridges. Rudy Gobert was my. I think six picks. So basketball common sense says if we're trading Luka, we're getting back a haul that didn't happen. So I put my tinfoil hat on. I see fans out there put their tinfoil hat on.

[Ice]

I like that, too.

[Joe Budden]

My tinfoil hat was bad. My. I would just. I. I went back to the Chris Paul Laker veto trade and was like, if we've been complaining about ratings all season, what better way to spice this up than to put Luca in LA with LeBron and get that moving. Put him over here in Dallas, another major. A major city. And let's just try to spice this up. Also, this trade happened. Me and Corey was at the Nick game that night, and before the game started, we looked up at the names on the board and we was like, oh, the Knicks just clapped them by about 50. I ain't know none of them niggas names. Then the game started. Of course, I felt old. I'm sitting there like, is that Doug Christie's son? Sure enough.

[Ish]

Sure is.

[Joe Budden]

That was Doug Christie's son.

[D.C.]

And he nice.

[Ice]

He had 17 and he nice and.

[Joe Budden]

Was playing good defense on Jalen Brunson. But anyway, I didn't see anything abnormal at the game. LeBron was stronger, faster, quicker, and smarter than everybody on the court. Still, at 40 years old, but. And Rich Paul was there. Everybody was there. That was like a big game. They say that that was the most expensive regular season ticket all season.

[D.C.]

I could believe that.

[Joe Budden]

It was prime time. It was espn, a lot of cameras. That was. If the Garden was more packed than I've seen in recent years. Spike Lee, Chris Rock, Tracy Morgan. Fucking Steve Stout came in there with that beautiful ass. Louis Colt came over to me at halftime like, yo, you good, man. I heard some stories. I ain't gonna keep addressing my sleepwalking shit every. To every new person I see, either. I say, yeah, man, a little bit. A little bit sleepwalking, man. He has some real good advice. Real good advice.

[Parks]

He's like, wear clothes.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's like, yo, just relax.

[D.C.]

Magnesium.

[Joe Budden]

Relax.

[D.C.]

Got you, dog. Yeah, give you some magnesium. I got some. I just ordered it.

[Flip]

Got some in the cabinet.

[Joe Budden]

Look like a magnesium.

[Parks]

You might need it to keep you asleep.

[Joe Budden]

You need magnesium.

[Parks]

I take magnesium.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[D.C.]

Y'all, could you spray it on your feet, bro? It give you a really, really sound.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. I need something stronger than that. What's the dust version of that?

[D.C.]

Megatron?

[Joe Budden]

Give me something. Hey, hey. Give me the Marcus Jordan version. Magnesium. But anyway, I'm saying that to say I didn't see anything unusual at the game. LeBron looked like he got a triple double, not even trying. Nothing. Seemed weird. Do y'all think it's possible that this trade happened without LeBron knowing, without Jason Kidd knowing, without any of these people knowing the way they were?

[Ish]

From what I'm hearing, and I don't have no inside knowledge of this, but what the insiders are saying is that they spoil. Like Sham said, he knows. He can guarantee that LeBron did not know. Other reporters say LeBron was at dinner when he found out and that he. He was still. His head was still spinning. Luka just bought a house last week.

[Joe Budden]

15 million.

[Ish]

15 million.

[D.C.]

In Dallas.

[Ish]

In Dallas.

[Joe Budden]

In Dallas.

[Ish]

So Luka definitely didn't know, and he would have no reason to think he's going to get traded. So I really believe this is one of those rare times where LeBron was completely not in the know, which says to me, again, they're punting on LeBron. This is the first time in the history of LeBron's career where a move like that would be made without him know. And that's scary to me. My tinfoil hat is on two, but I'm thinking less about, oh, the league is trying to make the Lakers good again. Although I. I ain't mad at that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh no. The brighter tin foil hats.

[Ice]

T hat wasn't that.

[Joe Budden]

No, yeah, that was me being stupid. The brighter tin foil hat.

[Ice]

Dude, they taking the power back.

[Ish]

Oh, see, I think it's something else.

[Ice]

No, I'm talking about Braun is Drake.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Cuz that's what it sounds like from.

[Joe Budden]

No, they would say analogy Luca being traded terms.

[Ice]

He's no longer eligible for the super.

[Ish]

Right.

[Ice]

Which is up ad no longer eligible.

[Joe Budden]

So now just for context for the.

[Ish]

Audience, he would have got a 360 million dollar extension in the summer that he's no longer eligible for because he won't have the tenure in with the same team. So it's gonna cost him like 40, 50 million dollars.

[Flip]

Both of them.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's their.

[Ice]

This is their way of. Now this is what the tenfold hat. This is their way of kind of. They found a loophole.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ice]

In these big ass collective bargaining.

[Ish]

That might be it.

[Parks]

So was that the only reason why. Because they are both eligible for.

[Ice]

Not the only.

[D.C.]

But I don't think it could drop.

[Ish]

This is what I think.

[Ice]

Back over.

[Ish]

I think it's. I think there's something about Luka that Dallas knows that we don't know. And I think in about six months everybody's gonna be like, oh, that's why they traded him. You know, I'm hearing from Dallas beat reporters that he has weight issues. Weight issues, conditioning issues, attitude issues. But then there are people who are saying that they don't think he's a winner. They just don't think he's a winner. And he doesn't play defense. And so they don't want to invest that in somebody who they know they can never win with. And so they're selling high. The reason I don't believe the last part is the main reason is. Cause like Joe said, then you open it up to the whole league, you let everybody take a bid, you get the best offer. I think they're trying to get somebody unhealthy off their plate before people find out. Before you can kick the tires on.

[Ice]

Them or get it while the value's still half.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. And if you start bringing too many people and they want medical reports or.

[D.C.]

Asking questions, that nigga's a top seven player in the world.

[Ish]

So is Joel Embiid. Right. When he's healthy. But if you find out that he can't walk anymore, we'll see. And I'm saying he could be. Cause right now he's having calf issues. Next thing is your Achilles, I think.

[D.C.]

All right, his fat ass need to get in the gym and get some cardio going.

[Joe Budden]

Let me play this tinfoil hat shit from my man KFC barstool. I went and read all of the same shit that he's about to refer.

[Ice]

To.

[Joe Budden]

But it makes some sense.

[K.C.]

Get your tinfoil hats out, folks, because there's a new conspiracy theory that the Mavericks traded Luka Doncic on purpose to Tank so that they could either get their casino resort approved or force the team to move to Vegas. So the long term plan has always been for the Mavericks to turn their arena into a casino resort entertainment complex. Now, when Mark Cuban sold his majority shares to Miriam Adelson, the idea was that one day he would partner with Las Vegas Sands to create this entire gambling complex. However, according to Texas lawyer and litigator, he says that despite the fact that the Mavericks are giving a ton of money to Texas lobbyists, they are not getting this bill approved to move them from Dallas to Austin to create the entertainment complex. So his theory is that their threat to move the team to Las Vegas is not really credible if they are a top team competing for an NBA championship. However, if they suck, there's a lot more of a realistic chance that the NBA would move cities. And what's the best way for your team to all of a sudden suck is to just give away a top five player and your franchise cornerstone. You talk all about his weight and his conditioning and his supermax and his defense and all that. It's all always comes down to money. Now that theory, which doesn't even seem like that much of a conspiracy, makes a lot more sense than the alternative. There's a reason why no other NBA executives were contacted about potential trade options because they didn't want a good trade return. There's a reason why Danny Ainge, who was involved in the trade, didn't know that Luka was a part of it. Because they needed to make sure it went through despite being absolutely ridiculous, so that they could intentionally suck. Because now the Texas government has to decide whether they want to lose the team to Vegas or approve this Austin complex. And if you're competing for a championship with Luka Doncic, it's a lot easier for them to call the Mavericks bluff to move them to another city.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know about you, but that.

[K.C.]

Entire theory seems pretty wild, but pretty true.

[D.C.]

I can't rock with it because I still. I think Dallas is a better team today than they were pre, pre trade. I think Dallas fares better in the long term in, in the Western Conference.

[Ish]

In the long term?

[Joe Budden]

No, not the long term.

[Ish]

Oh, this year. Oh, you mean like in the next three years?

[Ice]

They could go further.

[Ish]

They'll go further this year, dog.

[Joe Budden]

They should have got 10 draft picks for Luca. Yeah. So we can't say long.

[D.C.]

Not with A.D. yes, with A.D. nah.

[Ish]

Nah.

[Ice]

I disagree.

[Ish]

You can get an elite player and draft picks you're only going to get. You're not going to get AD in a button. 10 draft picks. But you could get an elite player and 10 draft picks which is what you want when you, when you get rid of the 25 year old superstar. But for this year, yeah, they're more balanced team, they're a more smarter team. The Lakers are a worst team right now and they got, they got a guy who handles who's the most ball dominant player in the, in the NBA.

[D.C.]

By far two of the most ball dominant players in the NBA.

[Ish]

But Luka is literally the most and he doesn't play defense. You're not. And LeBron's not a spot up guy. You don't. The team didn't get better right now. But long term it's a brilliant move for the Lakers if he's healthy. But I'm trying to tell y'all, I'm worried. He weighs 270 pounds according to some reports right now he could have a bad leg. He's an injury reporter. I'm just saying you may find out there was a reason why Dallas did this. That makes a whole lot.

[D.C.]

There could be some shit above our pay grade.

[Joe Budden]

The gentleman and y'all could google this at home yourself because I'm live on here. I'm not doing it. But the gentleman that they talking about, who, who has the majority share, It's a lady. Well, there's a man. I'll get his name when y'all keep talking. But there's a man who's involved in this group that has the majority share of the Mavericks. And they say that this guy owns like a bunch of shit like I. E. The Dodgers. They say he owns some of the Lakers as well.

[D.C.]

That owns some of Dallas.

[Ish]

Is that possible?

[D.C.]

It's not possible. It's illegal.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that's illegal. Let me look it up.

[D.C.]

Can't own two NBA franchises.

[Ish]

It's against the NBA bylaws. It's against the NBA, NBA bylaws to have ownership interest in two teams that I know for a fact.

[Joe Budden]

But y'all go.

[Ish]

That's a hell of a conspiracy theory. But again, at the end of the.

[Joe Budden]

Day, maybe somebody just saw footage from the finals last year.

[Ish]

Well, that's why I said if you.

[Joe Budden]

Saw that footage, then, yeah, that Luca looked a mess out there. He did. And he don't look 270. When he was getting off the jet.

[Melissa Ford]

He ended the press covers.

[Joe Budden]

He did not look 270. I think more will be revealed on this.

[Ish]

I think so.

[Joe Budden]

I think we'll find out more information of things that may or may not be basketball related. How do y'all think the lakers look with LeBron and Luke? I ain't gonna lie. But the Knicks lost that game. We lost that game without A.D. yeah, yeah, I think. I don't think the Lakers are as bad as people paying them out to be. Vanderbilt came back, he looked like a brick house out there. Fucking Austin. Reaves, Dalton, Schnett, Hitchhimaro, Chimichurri, whatever his name is. Like, they got a bunch of six, eight, six, nine guys that I don't think they're as far away as people say.

[Ish]

I always thought they were one strong player away from being a real contender. They needed a big. Because AD doesn't want to play. Doesn't want to play the five, you know, I mean, they needed another. They needed another perimeter shooter and they needed some bench depth, but like. And they need another playmaker, but like. But some of those are.

[D.C.]

If I'm the Lakers, I'm trying to go get Clint Capella. Like, dudes like that, that Luka could give the alley oop to that just want to play defense get bored to play. Like, they need pieces to make Luka effective. You need pieces the same way with LeBron. You need spot up shooters for the penetrating kick. All of that shit you got.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody thinks the Lakers are finished.

[D.C.]

I don't think that we finished either.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody thinks they finished.

[D.C.]

You got two amazing people. I think that the role players would have to get some bump ups.

[Ish]

You need a hell of a. You need a hell of a big. Now, I mean, AD Gave you like capella. Capella, yes. But they. And I don't get into the weeds of basketball, but LeBron's not a good enough shooter at this point. You need rollers, but you need guys that can facilitate picking pops.

[D.C.]

And we ain't got Cleaver.

[Ish]

Yeah, I mean, he's a great, you know, I like. But the Lakers just aren't as good right now as they were. And I don't know if anybody wants to play ball. Danny angel was like, if I had known this, my trade. Cause Utah was the third in the space.

[D.C.]

Utah.

[Ish]

And he was like, if I had known this was going to the Lakers, I wouldn't have done it. Now that everybody's looking, I don't know what happens. Another thing, real fast, Mark Cuban said he doesn't know what the fuck just happened.

[D.C.]

He don't. He wasn't trading Luga.

[Ish]

Right. He's like, I would have never. Basically, I would have never traded Luke. I would have never done this.

[D.C.]

And that's why I think they kept it on the low.

[Ish]

That's crazy, dog.

[D.C.]

You gotta think about this. Rich Paul represents Braun, and AD Braun didn't know about the trade. They had to in some way shape or form contact his representation or. No, you get what I'm saying? Like, you gotta contact somebody's agent or their representation after you make the trade.

[Ish]

I'm assuming after you make the trade, too. After you make the trade.

[Ice]

Like, if a person. I'm not familiar, I don't know for a fact, if he doesn't have, like a no trade clause, do we have to contact him?

[Ish]

You don't.

[Ice]

You find out when it's done.

[D.C.]

No, because he had. He had a trade kicker.

[Ish]

Right? But you can approve the kicker after the trade. The trade kicker is just like, I gotta pay you. I'm penalizing this team for the trade. And he waived the trade kicker after.

[D.C.]

He waved it after.

[Ish]

Yeah. But, yeah, you don't have to tell anybody anything ahead of time. Guys be finding out, watching tv. Guys be watching, find out from, like, their friends, like, yo, I just heard you just got traded.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

So we'll see.

[Flip]

I mean, I don't know.

[Ish]

There's some other big trades happening in San Antonio, other people. So maybe people are willing to play.

[Joe Budden]

San Antonio is who I would be afraid of.

[D.C.]

They are they coming?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they are. Definitely. That's who I would be afraid of. That culture. And that organization just says to me, that and that chip they won against the Heat. That was some of the best brand of basketball I've ever seen. That's my favorite basketball, like, in my life. The things they was doing with Patty Mills and them niggas. If they go and if they draft a big. They know how to build around that De'Aaron Fox trade. I told y'all, that Castle dude is nice. They've got De'Aaron Fox without trading none of their pieces.

[Ish]

Yeah, they're one quality player.

[Joe Budden]

And they have somebody's draft pick this year. I want to say, let Me, not misspeak. They got somebody's draft pick who don't seem to be headed in the right direction.

[Ish]

So let's look.

[Joe Budden]

So let them know it's unprotected.

[Ish]

You talk about the Sixers pick?

[Joe Budden]

Whatever pick the spurs have this season from another team.

[Ish]

I thought you're fucking with the Sixes.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. No, no, no. It's unprotected.

[Ish]

Yes, that's true. I think the Sixers is top six.

[D.C.]

So in the event, Atlanta.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Atlanta because our homeboy got hurt. No, the defensive dude that they like.

[D.C.]

The dude that they got from Murray. Murray.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about with Atlanta's injury to that dude that all defensive dude that they got over there. They don't seem to be headed in the right direction this season. If the spurs fuck around and get a top one, two or three pick, I think that. Listen, it's gonna get scary if they get Cooper Flagg.

[Ish]

It's a rap. And Cooper flag look like a spur nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Ace bailey just had 49 the other night off three dribbles. I wouldn't give a about Cooper flag. Give me the first or second.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good draft this year.

[Ish]

It's a good draft.

[Ice]

Spurs got a lot. The spurs have the unprotected 2025 pick from the Hawks.

[D.C.]

Hawks.

[Ice]

Another unprotected hawks pick in 2027. An unprotected pick from either Dallas or Minnesota in 2030. And unprotected swaps with the Hawks in 2026 and the Kings in 2031.

[D.C.]

And they got their own picks that they get for themselves. And then they got a. Then they got a protected pick from somebody else. They can't take one through 14, but you can get a 1617 player in the draft if you popovich and make that shit work. He's just an amazing dude at developing.

[Ish]

Talent and in drafting talent, RC drafts talent. You look at Manu Ginobili, you look at Kawhi Kawhi, Tony Parker, 49th pick or something. They draft low and do well and they get the right pick. They get the Boris Diaz and the guys that know how to play positional basketball.

[Joe Budden]

Pass the fucking ball.

[Flip]

Pass the ball. God damn. Pass the ball.

[D.C.]

That's what they do.

[Ish]

That's what they do.

[D.C.]

Nobody bigger than the system.

[Ish]

Yo, on some other stuff I was watching. I only. I didn't see the fight. I only saw Papoose come out. I only saw the clip. I only saw the knockout post or the.

[D.C.]

Oh, the Slip with the hook.

[Ish]

Yeah. She threw that lazy ass left and then.

[Joe Budden]

Boop. Tell the people what hit with the dew drop.

[D.C.]

It wasn't even that lazy.

[Joe Budden]

Tell the people what fight you talking about?

[D.C.]

Clarissa Shields.

[Ish]

Clarissa Shields. I'm sorry? Clarissa Shields had a big fight. What was this name she fought?

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[D.C.]

Clarissa Shields had a fight.

[Flip]

Yeah, right.

[Ish]

I guess that's all that matters.

[Joe Budden]

The other shorty was tall. Looked like she had some hands. Looked like she had a tough jaw. Yeah.

[Ish]

She was talking crazy at the press conference like they always do.

[Joe Budden]

Then my man Pap came out alphabetical slaughter stupid ass on it on the Internet. Gonna call Pap the best support boyfriend.

[Parks]

Danielle Perkins was her name?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Yo, a support boyfriend is crazy. Like a support dog. Pat be listening sometimes, too, so let me shout him out.

[Ish]

Big Pap.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. A support boyfriend.

[Ish]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That is crazy.

[Ish]

But she hit it.

[Ice]

Is he the best?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Who's the other support boyfriend?

[Ice]

The one on trial?

[Ish]

No, there's another one, too. No, there's another one, too. At the Grammys, he whispered that your wire bra is showing. Who?

[Parks]

Jay?

[Ish]

The greatest rapper of all time.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Parks]

Yeah, when she was about to go up on the stage, he reached in.

[Ish]

For the hug and was like. She was like. He went up there wire, but he shows up. No ego.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's just niggas being niggas. Hey, you're nipple it out, girl. Fast ass fix.

[Ish]

That's probably what he was.

[Joe Budden]

The fuck are you going like is wrong with you?

[Ish]

I still think Hov might be the biggest support boyfriend because he got the most to the most to come down from.

[Joe Budden]

I think that is disrespectful to call Hov to support boyfriend. I ain't doing it. And since your first day here, you be disrespecting hov. How do you be listening to him?

[Ish]

I never disrespect Hov.

[Joe Budden]

I love Hov. Just know that hove be listening to.

[Ish]

Y'all think anything that ain't praise is disrespect.

[Ice]

No, we think you be disrespectful.

[Ish]

I said hov is the top five mc. Oh, you disrespected Hov. What?

[Joe Budden]

No, he's top five of beans. Be watching them a lot. I ain't gonna rehash it.

[Flip]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

But I'm just saying in general, I love hov. You know, Hov is my top five. But I'm just saying he shows a lot of love and support to Beyonce, and I think it's really Dope. Especially since when you gotta. When you're the greatest thing in your field and you just gotta sit there and applaud. That shit is hard.

[Ice]

Did you listen to the joint I sent you? I sent you the album that was put together of all records that Hovind Beans are on.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ice]

You walking back at all.

[Ish]

We can't rehash these, all right? We don't have to.

[Joe Budden]

Cool. Smart man. Want to talk about these Beyonce tour dates since we on hold? Yeah, sure. And what those tickets might be like.

[Ish]

Oh, they're gonna be stupid.

[D.C.]

Jesus Christ and Price.

[Joe Budden]

Or she coming to New York?

[Ice]

Four days.

[Joe Budden]

For sure she's coming to New York. She got. Are you going?

[Flip]

Sending Mama love 100.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going this time. I'm going.

[Ice]

I'm going.

[Joe Budden]

Going without.

[Flip]

My mom went to the last joint point.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm getting this with some tassels on it.

[D.C.]

My girl. My girl just said she wanted to go.

[Joe Budden]

I said, fam, fam. What? What?

[D.C.]

No, she said she won't go another state.

[Ice]

I said I'm with it.

[Ish]

Wait, you going too?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

That's what I like about Ish.

[Joe Budden]

Man.

[Flip]

Why she ain't going to play ball?

[D.C.]

Because it's a different experience when you go do that in other spots.

[Parks]

Yeah. Especially if you go to, like, Houston.

[Ish]

Houston is a spot.

[D.C.]

A lot of Sweden, they go to Switzerland or like, that should be different.

[Ice]

Forgot who we was talking.

[Flip]

You going. You going? Ma, you going to go to Beyonce.

[Joe Budden]

Said he going to the Switzerland show.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ice]

Y'all can have the States.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'd like to go this time.

[Flip]

Nice.

[Ish]

I'm sitting.

[Joe Budden]

Are you going to buy a ticket?

[D.C.]

Cowboy boots and hat.

[Parks]

Absolutely. Maybe some chaps. That would be the appropriate place to wear them.

[Joe Budden]

Nicole Murphy going, she got D.C. on.

[Ice]

The Fourth of July.

[Joe Budden]

Murphy wearing chaps that night.

[Ice]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You heard me?

[D.C.]

I heard you. Okay.

[Ice]

Fireworks. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes I'm with y'all on the out of town shows.

[D.C.]

The out of town be fire.

[Joe Budden]

Beyonce in New York sounds in New York.

[Ice]

I don't care.

[Joe Budden]

It sounds good.

[Ice]

I be right there at MetLife.

[D.C.]

I could be right there.

[Flip]

Is it going to be at MetLife.

[Joe Budden]

Right there in D.C. them tickets about to be money, though.

[Ish]

Oh, they going to be a lot of money, stupid. I ain't going out town to see the show unless it's Houston.

[Joe Budden]

Houston.

[Ish]

That would be the one I would do in the States. Got it. But Houston was crazy for the last one. Renaissance.

[Flip]

You went?

[Ish]

No, no, no. I didn't you got the silver on? I want. I didn't want to go, but I'm gonna send my lady to the next this show with her girlfriend. I feel like that's a. Let her go with her girlfriend.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga don't miss a chance to send his lady somewhere.

[Ish]

Yo, that's his.

[Flip]

That's his bag.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, he don't miss a chance to be home alone.

[Flip]

Macaulay Culkin.

[Joe Budden]

That's my man.

[Flip]

Macaulay Coking.

[Ish]

Michelle Indigo, Coachella. Got a show and watch.

[Joe Budden]

Going out there. Two weeks. Two weeks. I've been her name my whole life.

[Parks]

Michelle and de Shout out to Michelle very long time. I was actually going to play one of her songs.

[D.C.]

Nora Jones won another Grammy. I'm like, yo, dog, Nora Jones be winning the Grammy every year.

[Ish]

Every.

[D.C.]

And don't even know she got a project.

[Ish]

I know Michelle's drum was tight, though. She did the James Baldwin album. It was really, really good. I love Michelle. I love all her. All her stuff.

[Joe Budden]

You love everybody. Everybody with a. It's okay.

[Ish]

Seems like a good thing.

[Joe Budden]

I think so.

[Ish]

It works out.

[Joe Budden]

You could tell we never had a restraining order put on them. Nigga love all the girls. You'll meet the bad ones at some point.

[Ish]

Or maybe not playing with house money at this point. Oh, I'm good. I'm out the danger zone.

[Joe Budden]

Beyonce. We will. I will see you at the New York show. For sure. I will see you there. I'm very excited about this. I missed the last run when they was wearing all aluminum foil and shit. That was the one sent. My mom sent my girl. They could sit this one out, though. You heard. They can sit this one out. This for the dogs.

[Ish]

You really looking forward to this show?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

Is it because you like this album more than Renaissance?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

I'm surprised I wasn't the biggest fan of either of those albums. I just think that Beyonce live is an experience.

[Ish]

But you know, when. When you go to this one, you won't get a majority of this album.

[Joe Budden]

I absolutely loved her Netflix performance.

[Ish]

Okay, then you gonna be good.

[Joe Budden]

I absolutely loved her Netflix performance.

[Ice]

I don't care about the album.

[Melissa Ford]

I like the album, so.

[D.C.]

I like the album, too.

[Ish]

I like the.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody that had something to say about the Beyonce album. I think we got to shut the up now, I think.

[Flip]

Do we?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

Album of the year.

[Joe Budden]

Just one album of the year.

[Ish]

This was her sin of a woman, though.

[Melissa Ford]

And country. Country album.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

Because there was a. Because she was robbed. Like the Beyonce album. The self titled One Lemonade. Those are the ones that should have won, correct. Best album.

[Ice]

So this is a majority of people are in agreeance that this was like a we owe you award.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Ice]

All right. So, no, we don't have to shut the upper because again, this album wasn't the best album, but we are glad that Beyonce won. So we're just gonna look the other way and not really speak what we really think.

[Parks]

I think that way.

[Ice]

You gotta shut the up about that album.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all gotta shut a couple songs. If it went album of the year, even if it's iou.

[Ice]

No, you don't. I disagree.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree.

[Ice]

That ain't gonna change nothing.

[Joe Budden]

The only people that should have something to say about that Beyonce album is Maze, not Frankie Beverly.

[Ish]

Oh, that's what I was like.

[Joe Budden]

Maze. Though Frankie Beverly's happy. Check's coming in Mays. No, they can't wait to catch at the mall. Maze don't like that they did all that. HBCU's a idiot. Mays home tight. Buddy you talking about.

[D.C.]

Yo, you different, bro.

[Joe Budden]

May's gonna catch up. Hov got a squash it.

[D.C.]

Think that Julian gonna be beating the.

[Ish]

Shit out some niggas. Niggas in linen suits.

[Ice]

What?

[Joe Budden]

How we know Julian could scrap?

[Ish]

You know he done tested that nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I'll tell you.

[D.C.]

Look, I was about to say we don't know.

[Joe Budden]

We assume he could scrap.

[D.C.]

I'm gonna bet $99.50 out of my hundred, though, if that gets busy. That learned some wing chun and some more shit in this last 20 years.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you. I agree.

[D.C.]

And a the size of a mountain.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They can do everything.

[Ice]

I'm gonna bet it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you.

[Ice]

Just because we ain't heard.

[Flip]

Yeah, right.

[D.C.]

Ain't nobody tried.

[Ice]

The niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Might have been all right with it. We got it off so smooth, we ain't even hear about it. I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

What is this up here about a Fantastic Four trailer that I haven't seen?

[Ice]

Yeah, man. Marvel dropped the Fantastic Four trailer.

[Joe Budden]

Comes out.

[Ice]

I believe it's July.

[Joe Budden]

Talk to him.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

The trailer.

[Flip]

The movie.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Ice]

The trailer dropped for the movie.

[D.C.]

You know the characters.

[Flip]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

You said drops in July. You talking.

[Ice]

No, the movie drops.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Ice]

The trailer dropped already.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Dropped.

[Ice]

This fire. It's fire. I was.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[D.C.]

Whose thing? And Brie Richardson. I gotta look at the cast.

[Ice]

I gotta look up the cast.

[Joe Budden]

But who the fuck is.

[Ice]

Y'all know I've been off Marvel for a minute. This looks Good. I was like, oh, shit. We might be back like this. Got me. It's a couple movies that if they do them right, they could bring back. They had Galactus in here. I'm like, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's different. That's it.

[D.C.]

That's different.

[Joe Budden]

That's different.

[Ice]

Let's get this right.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in there like swimwear.

[D.C.]

That's different.

[Joe Budden]

And I am going to see that when it drops. Now that you told me about it. Can't wait to see the trailer. When I went to go see this corny Flight Risk movie the other night, they did show the trailer for. They show the coming attraction for whatever the black, black Captain America.

[D.C.]

Anthony Mackie.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Captain America.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Braving the world. I like my Captain America white.

[Parks]

Ean Moss back rack is playing thing.

[Joe Budden]

Some.

[Melissa Ford]

Excuse me.

[Joe Budden]

Give me a phone. Give me your phone.

[Ice]

July 25th is the date. My bad.

[Joe Budden]

Give me his phone.

[Ice]

I'm with that, though.

[D.C.]

You know, they said that Marvel was back in negotiation with your man Jonathan Majors.

[Joe Budden]

Ooh, wait, Slow down. Cause I do want to talk about that. Slow down for a second.

[D.C.]

Told you.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't Captain America one of those things where we not wrong to prefer it white?

[Flip]

You right. I don't know why they did that.

[Ice]

I said the same shit about 007 and niggas got mad.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So that we just used to being white. That's a little bit different. 007 could use a little black, but not. Not Captain America.

[Joe Budden]

They made Captain America black and the Hulk red in the coming attraction. And it look good. It look good. And it does look good.

[Ice]

And it hasn't been a bad Captain America movie. Not one of them.

[Flip]

You think we're. We're spoiled with just the other cap? We just spoiled.

[Ice]

That's all it is.

[Flip]

He did a good job. Same thing. Nobody want to see another Iron Man.

[Joe Budden]

Every Captain America movie is about terrorists.

[Flip]

You want to see. No, I mean another person. Nobody want to see another person play Iron Man. We need Robert Downey Jr. For sure. Same thing with Wolverine.

[Joe Budden]

On to your Jonathan Majors point about him being back in talks with Marvel. We stepped on. Maybe I stepped on myself last part, but I was saying I'm back on the Jonathan Majors bandwagon because of that trailer that they showed for the. What movie is that? Where he's doing the bodybuilding. Right. The body magazine Dreams. There you go. The bodybuilding. Now, I've had a lot of jokes about Jonathan Major and Megan Good and their relationship and all types of. Just because it's been fun. For the last few years, watching that trailer, though, it's real easy that that talent. Talent like that that he showcased in that trailer jumps off the screen. It's real easy to see that even if you don't have no. Even if you don't have any history with spotting that type of talent. Like, no, we was making old jokes about making good. Why she did. She's standing by, dog. She probably seen the trailer, knew that you can't keep that type of acting down, and held him down. Did y'all see that trailer?

[D.C.]

I did not.

[Melissa Ford]

He's a good actor. We said that.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's an understatement.

[Flip]

He's amazing.

[Ice]

I need to see the trailer for me to know that. I watch Lovecraft country, right? I've seen him act.

[Joe Budden]

It was like, okay, this is ill. Michael B. Jordan. Go make it right. Yo, make it right. Said, I'm out them Used that boy. Used that boy and got out of dodge on him. Go ahead and make that right. Michael B.

[Parks]

You got another movie coming out.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Parks]

Michael B. Jordan?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Well, his movie career was never in question.

[Parks]

Okay.

[D.C.]

Is that one of homeboys movies?

[Parks]

Ryan Coogler?

[Ice]

I think so, yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Who plays the thing?

[D.C.]

Jeffrey Oswald.

[Flip]

Copper Pot. So, I mean. I mean, what is the update on the conversation between Jonathan Majors and Marvel?

[D.C.]

None. They just back and negotiating and they saying that it's promising that they gonna cast him in Kane.

[Joe Budden]

Marvel seen that. Marvel's seen that bodybuilding trailer, and that's the trailer. That movie is from 2021 or whatever. Then he got canceled, so they pulled the movie. And that movie is making its way to movie theaters in a couple months. Watch. Talking about some Marvel call. Nigga, if y'all don't call, watch what this movie do. After y'all blacklisted me and blackballed me until anybody, my career was over. Watch what that movie does.

[Flip]

Did you? I think somebody up here said that he has a chance he's gonna come back.

[Joe Budden]

Back.

[Flip]

I don't know which one. Somebody said up here like it was me.

[Parks]

Now I'm dick riding.

[Flip]

No, you wasn't. Dick. Somebody said he's gonna come back, fam.

[D.C.]

The money don't stop everybody.

[Flip]

No, but it was looking a little shaky when he was doing that running around. He was laughing, was running down the block. Joe said they had to.

[Joe Budden]

Not when he was doing the slave said I never.

[Flip]

Joe said I never.

[Ish]

Slave dance was a lot.

[Flip]

Wait, not that Joe. We talking about. When he was running from the white lady. He said, I never even saw Cameras like that. He said the camera watch that run from down the block. He said, I even saw cameras like that. How the they got that?

[Joe Budden]

So we thought it was over that bodybuilding movie. My guy, I think, yeah, shout out.

[Flip]

To him, man, I'm happy to hear, you know that they back in negotiation because it was, you know, he started tap dancing and he looked crazy. Mark was.

[Ish]

Yeah, I thought he was done.

[Joe Budden]

Megan ain't leaving that nigga aside that trail too good. You charge him extra now, right? Yeah.

[D.C.]

You charging who extra?

[Ish]

The studio.

[Parks]

The studio?

[D.C.]

What studio?

[Parks]

Corey thinks that they're gonna get him on the cheap because he's desperate.

[Ish]

They probably are for the first one they are. But on the re up, that's when you. That's when you gotta get it all back.

[D.C.]

And he better make some money with Kango and then he crack their head on the next one. But marvel around, get that nigga in a three movie deal.

[Ish]

Oh yeah. You gonna have five options on this contract.

[Joe Budden]

Jonathan Majors, congratulations. We will be watching. I'll definitely be watching that bodybuilding movie. And we'll see what happens with the Fantastic Four. I can't wait to see that as well.

[Ice]

Yo, did y'all hear this story about this. This lady that met a dude over the Internet?

[Flip]

Pakistan lady? Yes, she went to Pakistan. She won't leave. They have the press conference.

[D.C.]

That's not that lady yet.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, can please save the story?

[Ice]

All right, so look, she met a dude, she's 30 something. She met a 19 year old dude in Pakistan.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Ice]

So fell in love over the Internet. She flew over there, supposed to be marrying. She gets over there and the family and all of that is like, nah, hell no. Fuck out of here. This ain't gonna happen. But she wouldn't leave.

[Flip]

They are the press conference.

[Ice]

So she done did a sit in outside they door. She done held a press conference. Now she over there saying, I want to clean up Pakistan, I want to clean the streets.

[D.C.]

I didn't know. I didn't know that was the backstory.

[Flip]

She's wild, that lady from New York.

[D.C.]

They say she from Brooklyn. She's definitely from Brooklyn.

[Flip]

She went up there, they had a press conference with them.

[Melissa Ford]

I saw the mics, I didn't see the story.

[Flip]

The mics on the table.

[Melissa Ford]

I was like, what is going on?

[D.C.]

She like, yo, I'm telling y'all, like.

[Flip]

She said, where my man at? She looking around, where my man at?

[Ice]

Yo, she telling them she's the wife of dude. Like, that's how she introduced herself.

[Ish]

What's her gripe. She's saying, like, you owe me a marriage now.

[Flip]

She met him online and she went to Pakistan to look for him.

[Ish]

But why she won't leave.

[Joe Budden]

That's my man.

[Flip]

I mean, probably was.

[D.C.]

So say you.

[Flip]

Come on, Joe.

[Ish]

That probably, like, two people got being on that.

[Joe Budden]

He might have.

[Ice]

He might.

[D.C.]

She might have got over there on some bullshit. And her family. His family was like, yo, I don't know what you talking about.

[Joe Budden]

And you too old.

[Ice]

Fuck outta here. My son 19. No, he not married.

[Ish]

30. 19 is crazy anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait, he's 19.

[Ice]

He's 19. She's like 33 or so.

[Ish]

That's crazy anyway.

[Joe Budden]

See, y'all can't do that.

[Ish]

Oh, my fucking son. My son. My daughter got married three days ago, right? I just went over to the crib.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up.

[Ish]

He just reminded me of the shit.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait, wait. That's an ish story right there. Yeah, it really was.

[Melissa Ford]

It was.

[Flip]

That's some ish.

[Ish]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

Congratulations.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations.

[Ish]

I mean, sure, fine. It's my oldest daughter. I mean, she already lived with the dude, whatever. But I went over there just to pick up some chicken.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you didn't go to the wedding.

[Ish]

There was no wedding. Oh, that's my point.

[Parks]

They went to the people, I guess.

[Ish]

I went to the crib. She wearing a ring. I said, oh, you wearing. You know. Cause, you know, niggas have back and forth with engagement and wore in years. They've been together for a while. I said, oh, you wearing a ring? She said, oh, yeah. I got married two days ago. And he's like, hey, dad.

[Ice]

Oh, oh, oh.

[D.C.]

Rakim hit you with the hey, dad.

[Ish]

He hit me with a hey, dad.

[Flip]

How did you feel? I'm not.

[Ish]

That's what I wanted to ask y'all.

[Flip]

I asked you first.

[Ish]

I don't know how I'm supposed to. I feel away, but I don't feel away.

[Flip]

You don't feel away because you wanna.

[Joe Budden]

That's how I know that all year, I support women. Second thoughts. We gotta be a sham because whenever it gets to your daughter, your views get back to you.

[Flip]

Got him.

[Joe Budden]

Just so you know. Yes, it is a position because it's her choice.

[Flip]

She could do what she wants.

[Ish]

She can.

[Parks]

I just wanted to tell me and maybe get.

[Ice]

She don't gotta tell you.

[Joe Budden]

Father's. No, she don't.

[Parks]

The father of the bride. It's. It's crazy that he would want to be invited.

[Ish]

There was no wedding, but that's.

[D.C.]

Invite me.

[Parks]

Tell me.

[Joe Budden]

They probably thought Mark was too broke to pay for the wedding.

[D.C.]

So tell me.

[Flip]

Not while being up. Here we go.

[D.C.]

On the justice of the peace. Tell me if you got a good relationship with your daughter, I think it's only right that you'd be like, hey, just letting you know. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Pop the question.

[Joe Budden]

Theoretically, yes. I just don't feel like you have to. Yeah.

[Flip]

And maybe she feel like. Marcus, are you judgmental a lot?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, dog.

[Ice]

You with dude? Have you met him? You with him?

[Ish]

Yeah, I know.

[Ice]

I'm saying.

[Ish]

So how long we dad too, yesterday?

[Joe Budden]

Huh? How long they been together?

[Ish]

Seven years. And then they've been engaged.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, stop. It's over. It's over.

[Ish]

That's the part where I don't care. They got engaged early, then they broke up and they got back together. A whole bunch of stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Flip]

Very judgmental, dad.

[Ish]

I'm just saying, like, she told me, like. Cause I saw her. I don't even know if they had been married 10 days. It had been 10 days. 10 days is a lot of days. I got you 10 days. And I like him.

[Flip]

Got you.

[Ish]

You know what I mean? I just. I don't know. I'm feeling a little bit of a way.

[Flip]

You could like somebody, but not like them for your daughter.

[D.C.]

How often do you speak to your daughter?

[Ish]

Every day.

[D.C.]

He's supposed to be informed. He's definitely supposed to have been informed. If he speaks to his daughter on a daily basis.

[Joe Budden]

How old is your daughter?

[Ish]

24.

[Flip]

Not if you're a judgmental person.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree with that.

[D.C.]

You putting that on him?

[Flip]

I'm not putting on. I could just. No. All right. I'm just saying it has to be a reason. Your daughter didn't tell you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm with him and he can fill away.

[Ish]

I think I know the reason.

[Joe Budden]

He can feel however the fuck he want to feel.

[Ice]

Away.

[Flip]

He can't fill away. Mark's right to fill away. But you also have to look at from her perspective. A lot of times kids do things and they don't want to hear criticism from their parents.

[Ish]

I think that's what it is. Like, I know you're gonna tell me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I don't wanna hear the thing.

[Ish]

I don't wanna hear.

[Joe Budden]

And love is spontaneous sometimes.

[D.C.]

Seven years. Seven years.

[Ish]

But filling out that justice.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no.

[Ice]

That's two kids, seven years.

[Joe Budden]

That's your partner. And they got kids, you said?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Children said too.

[Joe Budden]

Great. So our life is what it is, but while she cooking one day. Yeah. Eh.

[Ice]

Let's just go get married right now.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. That, I think is mad common in relationships.

[Flip]

Because you could imagine what he told him when she was 17, 18, when Mark told her, you gotta focus on school. You got your life ahead of you.

[D.C.]

Gotta make an appointment.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's what you gotta make an appointment spontaneously.

[D.C.]

This guy going down to the justice of the peace. I don't think. Because I know somebody that did.

[Flip]

You can't just do that.

[D.C.]

You gotta make an appointment. My. And if you speak to your dad every single day, then something as big as that don't just slip through the cracks.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have. Wait, slow down. And what I'm saying, it didn't slip through the cracks.

[D.C.]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

It was a plan.

[D.C.]

So to his original question, should he. Could he feel some type of way. You fucking ain't right. If I have a relationship with my daughter.

[Joe Budden]

Of course you can.

[Ish]

But you should.

[Ice]

Absolutely.

[D.C.]

I think you should.

[Ish]

Would you feel some type of way?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Ice]

I would absolutely feel that way.

[Joe Budden]

You just gonna ask them?

[Ish]

I just ask people with daughters.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause I don't make girls.

[Ice]

I wanted to say.

[Ish]

I was waiting for that.

[Joe Budden]

Don't even bring it this way.

[Flip]

I would feel some type of way, but I was. Yeah.

[Ish]

Sorry, Dr. King, what would you say.

[Flip]

He do like that? N. He do Colorado. But I also understand my daughter's reasoning. Not saying you don't understand, but I want to understand. I'm very judgmental and critical as well. So I know if she did that, she's just doing it. Cause she didn't want to hear my mom, but she knew that I would judge her on it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And she said, your daughter's 24. You said seven years. That means she was together with him, what, 17, right? So I'm pretty sure that you talked about.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Ice]

I was thinking something.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Flip]

I'm pretty sure that you talked to her, discussed with her about college, having more time. Don't you know you gave her those talks that you and n Don't want to hear that shit more.

[Ice]

How old is the dude?

[Ish]

28.

[Flip]

Yo, y'all niggas sound crazy to me.

[D.C.]

Yo, dawg, he's already accepted the man. They've been together seven years. They got two kids. They live together. I don't give a fuck what my father thinks at this point. I speak to my father every day.

[Flip]

That don't mean that nobody accepted the man. Ish. What are you talking about?

[Ish]

I have. I have. I was going over to pick up the chicken he got. He barbecued.

[Flip]

He called him dad.

[D.C.]

My nigga. For the first time, he just got to be pappy. That don't mean before we have a decent relationship, you gotta have a good enough relationship. You ain't calling something no strange nigga. Dad, I don't give a fuck what happens.

[Flip]

I married your daughter, so I will call you dad to be.

[D.C.]

Not if we ain't cool. Let one of them come home and marry Princess and you ain't cool with him. And he be like, hey, dad, hey, dad, marry fismas. That right on up.

[Flip]

That's wrong.

[Joe Budden]

You might give him grace.

[Ish]

Everybody said they all say grace first.

[Flip]

Here's the thing that you're missing. You're not. You're thinking, and I agree with you. He has the right to feel away. But you're not also. You're not thinking. You're not widening your mind to think from her perspective, from her point of view. Her point of view, you think from a dad perspective, from her point of view is that my dad is very critical on how I moved in life. I could just tell. You could just tell the type of guy Mark is.

[Ish]

I'm not like that.

[D.C.]

You are putting that on there.

[Ish]

I think it's the opposite Mark.

[Flip]

Wait, come on.

[Joe Budden]

Wait a minute.

[Ish]

One minute I coddle and I cape and now I'm down.

[Flip]

No, I don't think it's Joe.

[Ish]

Which one is.

[Flip]

You see, and that's what happens. That's why the women be on your side. Because you make something. You make disagreeing so extreme. Not Joe Jackson.

[Joe Budden]

I know y'all joking around and shit. And I don't. I don't wanna step on it from the people I know. Most times when two people in love that have been together for a long time don't have a wedding and do have something to do with the parents.

[Flip]

Thank you. I'm not calling you Joe Jackson, bro. That's too extreme. But I do know that you're a guy that puts education first. Like, look where you come from. Why wouldn't you try to pass that down to your children? I watch you with your youngest child. Dedicate. Not dedicate, but I watch how you are teaching them Spanish and stuff. I just watch. I could just tell the type of man you are. I was around you. Not a lot, but I watch how you are. So I'm pretty sure when it comes to your daughters, you tell them about. Education is important. You don't have to go out there and get pregnant early. You don't have to. You gave them those talks, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

And be clear, you're speaking from a position of privilege. Cause Even in your complaint. Your complaint is, damn, I wish she would have told me that she got married versus who the fuck is this nigga that she married and is he taking the best care of my daughter? Like you speaking through a marked lens. Yeah.

[Ish]

If it was the second thing, I'd be a lot.

[Joe Budden]

I would feel.

[Ish]

I would really feel away. And I wouldn't be confused about it.

[Joe Budden]

If I was like, so then you could tell yourself that there's really nothing to worry about.

[Ish]

Probably that's what I say. But you know, there's that thing.

[Ice]

Yeah, but you still wanna.

[Flip]

And that's what I say. I feel like I know you're still alone.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y'all talking over each other. Hold up. Mute up. I'll let y'all talk about those bullshit for a minute. Damn, I forgot my point. This is what I'm saying. Y'all girl dads. And you, too, nigga. I know you tough, but you a girl dad. Oh, you a girl dad, too.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

He was skipping through them all when I seen him with his daughter.

[Joe Budden]

Girl dads, I know that this is disturbing for y'all. There will come a day where another nigga's daddy.

[Flip]

You don't have to say.

[Parks]

They have to say, daddy goddamn ass.

[Joe Budden]

There's gonna come a day where you have to pass the reins. And I'm saying girl dads. Cause it's funny, but on the flip side, like, it's the same thing. Like, the moms be holding on to the sons, and then the wife come and say, hey, nah, it's my gig now.

[D.C.]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

So if another nigga is dead or holding it down or taking care of or being all of those things, why you can't be just good with your place in the escalator?

[D.C.]

What's saying that you're not good with your place in the escalator for being in a communicational chain?

[Parks]

And not only that, he ain't saying.

[Ice]

He disapproved of it, but he didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Keep it a secret. She didn't keep it a secret.

[D.C.]

Well, she kept it well, she did.

[Parks]

Kind of, sort of.

[Ish]

They've been married for 10 days. It's only. Cause I said, oh, what's that on your hand?

[Joe Budden]

But it don't matter. I could keep a secret with my parents coming to my house.

[Flip]

And also, as a man, that for.

[D.C.]

Chicken saw the ring and she told him she didn't happen to be talking to him on the phone. He said, that's why I asked, how often do y'all speak?

[Ice]

Right?

[D.C.]

He said, they speak daily. So if you got married on Wednesday, and I spoke to you Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and you don't mention a monumental event in your life, you are keeping it a secret.

[Flip]

There's a reason.

[Joe Budden]

There's a reason.

[Melissa Ford]

Cool.

[D.C.]

It could be a reason. It's still a secret. Both things can be true.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that because if I have no problem telling you and I just haven't told you yet, that's you calling it a secret.

[Flip]

And how meticulous can you be? You notice a ring?

[D.C.]

He didn't see the ring. She don't tell him.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, dog, I talk to my parents every day. My dad was real mad over the weekend when he found out I had high blood pressure. He screamed at my mom, yo, why? I don't know that our son has high blood pressure. We talk every day. So what is some things that you.

[Parks]

Not gonna know, I don't think.

[Ish]

Yeah, but I'm saying you can speak.

[Joe Budden]

To somebody every day and them not tell you something.

[Ice]

Yeah, great. That is true. There are things that they may not.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. It's a new daddy in town. Yo, I'm.

[D.C.]

No, I'm done.

[Joe Budden]

It's a new daddy. Yo, all y'all daughters, hopefully one day watch it. If the cycle of love goes right, watch it. There will be a new daddy in town.

[Flip]

You can't say, all y'all gonna do.

[Joe Budden]

Is come over, pick up some chicken that Duke made and piece it up. Dab him. Yo, what season you use on this? Yeah, takes away, nigga.

[D.C.]

Girl, dad, I'm gonna give you some old bae, nigga. What I'm telling you is, if your father's mad over high blood pressure, imagine how this father should feel over his wife getting married. I mean, his daughter getting married.

[Ish]

If you got married and kid told you that 10 days later, he'd be hot.

[Joe Budden]

I wanna fight with.

[Ish]

Oh, go ahead, fight.

[Joe Budden]

How should he feel? And what you going to do about it?

[D.C.]

None.

[Joe Budden]

You can feel away, though.

[D.C.]

You ain't got to do nothing.

[Flip]

We.

[Joe Budden]

We.

[D.C.]

We let a lot of go.

[Ice]

And you can tell your daughter that you felt away about it, that you didn't ask why.

[Parks]

Do you question why you didn't tell? And then maybe you discover what the issue is. One.

[Ish]

Not yet.

[D.C.]

No. He bought the guys first to get the men.

[Ish]

Part of me was like, maybe I shouldn't feel. Like I started with, maybe I shouldn't feel it.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I.

[Ish]

Maybe I'm just feeling this way out of some principle And I'm actually wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's why I said, let me.

[D.C.]

Let me think about that.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's what's fly about having boys. Because if one of my sons get married without telling me. Chest caved in.

[D.C.]

I was about to say, don't act like you ain't gonna feel no type of way.

[Joe Budden]

I am. And his chest gonna feel. Why?

[D.C.]

You just said. He ain't gotta tell you shit.

[Joe Budden]

He don't. And I don't have to tell him. This punch is coming ahead to that chest. What? You did what, over the weekend before you can even get out. Yeah. With the bat.

[D.C.]

Yeah. So that's my.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking shit. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking.

[D.C.]

You'll feel some type of way. Stop sitting up here playing tough dog. If your son got married and you didn't know nothing about it, your feelings would be crushed.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. I said he should feel some type of way. I just also feel that her body, her boyfriend, her relationship, her choice or his choice. I feel like all that fly shit he talk up here with every other girl. It don't matter at all. Yes. Should apply to his daughter.

[Flip]

It does.

[Ish]

It's her choice. I'm not saying she was wrong for doing it.

[Joe Budden]

Tuck your feelings and your hands in your. In your. In your waistline. Tuck them feelings in the box. Debris draw strap. You know the deal. Tuck them away.

[Ish]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

So niggas wearing. Ha.

[Flip]

You had two daughters, right?

[Joe Budden]

My father wants some Tommy Hilfiger. I don't know what I got on.

[Flip]

That's a supreme.

[Joe Budden]

Shit's on. Ever play with me, boy? Burberry? Have a play with me, boy.

[Flip]

Ralph Lauren.

[Joe Budden]

You go now. You go now. What you got on some Burlington coat?

[Ice]

Ral.

[Joe Budden]

He got on some Burlington?

[Ish]

You really asking what kind of draws he got on?

[Joe Budden]

You really about to show? Play yourself, Cottons. Play yourself, Cottons.

[D.C.]

Play yourself.

[Joe Budden]

These the ones one in one in the box.

[D.C.]

And they not $70.

[Joe Budden]

I'm wear them too.

[Ice]

I'm wear them too.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Bet he wearing. He wearing the ones that's in Target.

[D.C.]

He got these in the Target.

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[Ish]

He always competing.

[Joe Budden]

He. We the ones that come in the ten pack.

[D.C.]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

These don't come in the ten pack. These don't need. All right, my bad. I apologize.

[Ish]

Yo, uni, I apologize then.

[D.C.]

Yo, look, it's him.

[Ish]

My nigga's not hour three, y'all get to the gay part of the second, y'all.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all, this.

[Ish]

This nigga said what kind of draws you got on under them sweats?

[D.C.]

I didn't say nothing.

[Ish]

But you didn't have to show him.

[D.C.]

No. He tried to play me like I.

[Joe Budden]

Got on some Fruit of Balloons. He did have to show me. Because if I had on drawers that was way iller than his, he wouldn't be my friend of mine. So he did have to show me. Cause he gotta let me know. Nigga, watch who you talking to. So that's the thing that y'all calling bro, Man, I get it. What's the old Ralph Lauren shits he got? What's the other shit?

[Flip]

Chaps, chaps, chaps who got on chaps?

[Joe Budden]

Chaps don't even make draws. I thought s made some shit for you even better. I'm talking shit. I'm talking shit. I'm talking. I don't have nothing else.

[Ice]

Are you still determined to find out what kind of drug.

[Flip]

Oh, no, I'm just looking. I thought it was a S dot card. Nigga, you taking the JayZ shit too far, nigga. But let me see the events.

[Ice]

Okay, tell me about the Rumble.

[Joe Budden]

They got the Primark song.

[Flip]

The Royal Rumble?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Jey USO won the Royal Rumble. That's all I saw. Oh, congratulations, J. Usa. Yeah, I saw speed. Yeah, I saw speed. Got speed in the Rumble. And people keep tagging me about Speed and Kai. I saw them.

[Joe Budden]

You wasn't there?

[Flip]

No, I was at my own Rumble. You was Rumble? No, the Royal Rumble was good, man. I thought they was gonna give it to John Cena. I was kind of surprised that Jey USO won. Congratulations to him. They've been stubbing him for years and stuff. It was. It was a pretty good show. The clips that I caught, I couldn't watch the whole thing because I was in the middle of doing the stream, but. Yeah, Gotcha.

[D.C.]

How was your show?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

Was your event or overall success? Yes, outside of the drama, it was a smash.

[Flip]

It was a success.

[Parks]

It hit hard.

[Flip]

No, it was successful. I mean, you know, we have some tweaking to do, but I'm just happy that with the support of everyone.

[Parks]

You know how many people tuned in.

[D.C.]

Like before the nonsense, y'all numbers was looking good.

[Parks]

After the nonsense we did, they could get better.

[Flip]

Yo, you know the balloon. Keep it real. You know why you do that, man? You know, I'm not afraid to have any conversation. Don't do that. Joe. How do you do, though? I'm down with you if you ready to have a decent conversation and not be insulted. Yeah, I'm down.

[Ish]

He said I'm not mature.

[Flip]

I'm not mature, man. Tell me he said no, but now I'm asking you.

[Joe Budden]

I have nothing to say on this topic. Congratulations on a very successful event. I've spoken to Imani about what I think personally and professionally. I don't think that's for the airwaves, but I'm really happy. I'm really happy that you had a successful event. And congratulations. Don't do that.

[Flip]

No, don't do that. I appreciate that, but don't do that. Cause that's not how you feel.

[Joe Budden]

Don't.

[Flip]

Fuck that.

[Parks]

He's being diplomatic.

[Flip]

No, fuck the diplomatic.

[Parks]

He's giving you grace.

[Flip]

Don't give me grace. I don't want grace.

[Joe Budden]

See?

[Flip]

And that shit. Feel away.

[Ish]

Oh, grace. Definitely feel away.

[Melissa Ford]

I sold.

[Ish]

Yeah, we sold grace.

[Flip]

Here's the thing. So shout out to Imani. Shout out to everybody that participated in the room. 24 hours.

[Ice]

I watched, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Melissa Ford]

I watched a little bit, too.

[Ice]

Yeah, thank you very much.

[Melissa Ford]

Me and Joe were watching you set up when we were doing some.

[Flip]

Yeah, the support. The support was there. I mean, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we watched them set up. And then the next day, when I couldn't figure out how to buy it, my girl bought it on the late night and we just shared the screen. Ooh, what a watch. When you share the screen with your girl and get.

[Melissa Ford]

Check it out on the phone.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Did you turn sideways at least?

[Flip]

So are you. Well, you know, they gonna help you out. Let's finish.

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Flip]

I'm finished.

[Ish]

Finish.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not.

[Flip]

I'm your man now. Cause I think that. I think that, you know, being diplomatic is great. And I, you know, I just want to share because I do believe in this. If I could do it to you, I could do it to myself. Caught a temper tantrum over there, you know, and I had to go to the bathroom in Corey's bathroom and just compose myself and think, and I kinda agree with what you're saying. Just felt like the timing of it sometimes. Be off.

[Ish]

What was said. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say anything.

[Ish]

I wasn't in here.

[Joe Budden]

They don't know.

[Ish]

I just came in there with somebody.

[Flip]

Are you just saying.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying anything.

[Flip]

Do you not want me to talk about it? Cause you could just tell me. Flip. I don't want you to talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to talk about that part of it. If you want to talk about how much of a success your event was, I'M totally fine with that. Yo. All right.

[Flip]

Don't do that yourself.

[Joe Budden]

Listen it. Okay.

[Flip]

All right.

[Ish]

So were the views as good as you wanted them to be?

[Flip]

Yeah, it could be.

[Joe Budden]

It could be better, but double whammed them.

[Flip]

It was good. It was great.

[Joe Budden]

It was great.

[Ish]

Solid. Solid.

[Flip]

Yeah, it was a. It was a great event, man.

[D.C.]

I charged for that.

[Flip]

I did charge for that twice.

[Ish]

I tried to upgrade to get it, but the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Ish]

The app was. It wouldn't let me do it through the Patreon app. And I tried to log on through the browser. It was giving me.

[Flip]

I charged twice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

What do you mean?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, it was a fee to become a Flip Patreon member. And then it was seemed like a pay per view fee that I paid.

[Flip]

No, that's not true.

[Parks]

Stop.

[Flip]

Joe, stop.

[Joe Budden]

It's not true.

[Flip]

Joe, stop.

[Joe Budden]

Did it.

[Flip]

No, I didn't do it.

[Joe Budden]

You did it.

[Melissa Ford]

It was worth it.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

I think. I think so, too. Let me get a round applause again. Yeah, Yeah.

[Flip]

I talk about this later, y'all. Cause he ain't gonna do it. And I want to talk about it on Patreon. When my man come. He ain't gonna do it. You know, I mean, he. As.

[Joe Budden]

As your man is not Paul.

[Flip]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

As an older might not see this building.

[Flip]

Paul me. Watch yourself. As my Melky Cabrera and Robinson Canoe as my man. You know, he put me to the side and told me how he felt about the event. And I acted a little. You know, we had a little back and forth about it, but he was. What he's saying wasn't wrong. It's just. I didn't like to hear it at that moment. Cause I be on some ignorant shit. I don't really want to hear it. I understand what he was saying, but it's just how you say it to me. So now his angle is to just highlight how great it was and shit like that. And that's what he gonna do, so. Cause I would love to get in the conversation.

[Ish]

I mean, there's another way to think about that, right? Which is you getting criticized off air, but in public, there's a united front of respect and love. So you get supported.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly true.

[D.C.]

I got it.

[Ish]

That's the way to think about it.

[Flip]

I appreciate it.

[Joe Budden]

And like, what I was saying to you off air was like a serious matter. And I had that talk already. I had it. I said what I needed to. To say to the person I needed to say it to. And I love him. Like, it's not an on air I know you do. It's not like an on air.

[Flip]

Yeah, I love him too.

[Joe Budden]

So what? Everybody look at me like that, bro.

[D.C.]

I didn't say a thing.

[Joe Budden]

Would you be looking at me?

[Ish]

Oh, God.

[D.C.]

You were speaking.

[Ish]

I'm uncomfortable.

[Flip]

Shout out to Is too. Shout out to. Shout out to y'all, man. It's each one teach one. No, one for one, all for one, man. We all learn. We learn in real time in this content space. We learn how to navigate and especially in business. And I give credit all the time, you know, I learned how to do better business while being up here. I learned from y'all niggas. So I, you know, and sometimes here's the truth. When you learn from somebody and they criticizing you and you feel like you do the best that you do, you're gonna react. It's not like a parent, but that's just you're gonna react. If you don't know how to take your emotions, tame your emotions and take constructive criticism, and if you've been reacting this way your whole life, you're just doing the same thing. And that's why sometimes I'm thankful to be around my niggas. So you could go, just take some time to think and then realize, like, okay, I get what I'm saying.

[Ish]

You ever do therapy?

[Flip]

No, I don't believe in it.

[Joe Budden]

If you want to try to have a little bit of this talk on Patreon, I'm down. Let's do it respectfully. Let's do it mature like adults.

[Flip]

Yes, I do.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like that's that shit we did over there.

[Flip]

Nah, you have my word.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Flip]

And she exposed it.

[Joe Budden]

Special treatment.

[Flip]

My sister exposed it.

[Joe Budden]

Special treatment.

[Flip]

No, she exposed it. She said that you did over there. Like, she just be throwing me under. What's up, man? I'm going to get fired soon.

[Joe Budden]

Mel want you to get fired. Mel do want you to get fired, and he don't need your help.

[Flip]

If I get fired.

[Parks]

I told you that. No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Can I ask a question about firing? Sure.

[Flip]

I like what you.

[Joe Budden]

And then I'm moving on. So then I'm moving on if any of y'all got fired. And I know it's probably inappropriate to talk about that here, but hypothetically, if anybody got fired, would y'all wanna talk to me first?

[Flip]

What do you mean? Ian is doing the firing, letting us go?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like an email of fax or.

[Flip]

Some sort of shit.

[Joe Budden]

Would y'all wanna talk to me?

[Parks]

Oh, is this like trade conversation?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what that means.

[Parks]

Meaning, like, apparently these players had no idea that they were being traded. Their agents didn't know, blah, blah, blah.

[Ish]

So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd be mad as shit if I got just a note from Ian like, hey, we're going our separate ways and we're moving in.

[Joe Budden]

Different directions, but what is there that I would be saying?

[Flip]

Same shit.

[Ish]

We wanna know why I didn't come here for Ian and I didn't come here through Ian. So if you're the guy that brings me in and you the guy I talk to about this, and you're the reason I'm here, then, yeah, I would expect you to call me and be like, yo, this ain't working out.

[Flip]

Me too.

[Ish]

Otherwise, I would feel like you were avoiding confrontation and you were hiding behind him.

[Parks]

Same.

[D.C.]

But what if he was?

[Ice]

Well, that's what he's doing.

[Joe Budden]

That's why.

[Ish]

Then that would be the reality now. That's why I would feel away. And I would think that would be dead wrong.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with you. I agree with that.

[Flip]

Yo, listen, he's like, prepare to be mad.

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right. Second. This is awkward. Wait, did you answer?

[Parks]

No, I agreed with him. Of course, that. That was. But that. That was what I was saying, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I think that's a crock of talking patriarch.

[Flip]

When he suspended me, nobody knew who. They said, like, he don't share. They don't share anything.

[Ice]

It ain't. But why should we have known that?

[Flip]

Just giving me a look, did you?

[D.C.]

How do I even get in this conversation?

[Flip]

I just looked at my man face.

[Joe Budden]

Your call first. If that ever happens. Not text. A call. You saying not a text. Yeah, a call. Yo, dawg, how you doing with your. Everything good? All right, check this out.

[Flip]

Now, I don't want that. I want. Straight to the point.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I thought of a fly way to do it, too.

[Ish]

I'm listening.

[Joe Budden]

I would still pay for the next month.

[Ish]

Oh, man. That's normal.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's actually low one month, right?

[Ish]

I'm gonna pay for the next month.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, this song I'm about to play for you guys, you've been sleeping on this one, buddy. All right. Don't get sent. It was a hypothetical, but I thought about it. With all the Luca and some other events. Jeez, man. Cause me and Amani probably gonna be out in the street. We probably gonna go out. You can't do that. I think girls love karaoke. All right, I'll find a song. I'll find a song. Thank you. What if you know you did something Fireable My final question, especially up here.

[Ish]

I would be like, you still owe me a call. Because a lot of fireable stuff happens.

[Joe Budden]

They go his trigger.

[Ish]

Firework happens every 10 minutes.

[Joe Budden]

They go his trigger. Word. Which one?

[Ice]

Say oh to him.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. All right, let me hit. Find a Roberta Flack slap.

[Flip]

Everybody talking about this Pakistan lady, yo. She wouldn't leave. Everybody talking about. They said she's the best story on the Internet, dog.

[Ice]

That shit is hilarious.

[Parks]

That's the weirdest shit.

[Flip]

Her name is Onision Robinson, the queen of Pakistan. She refused to leave until the government paid her to leave.

[Parks]

Is she even Pakistani?

[Flip]

No, she's from Brooklyn.

[Parks]

Okay. She could have been Pakistani in Brooklyn. I mean, she really just like a lot of.

[Ish]

She's black.

[Flip]

Black girl.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

I gotta put this up.

[Flip]

Put Pakistan in the search on Twitter.

[Ice]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. I wanted to talk to y'all about China's response to our tariffs.

[D.C.]

Everybody's response.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I'm not Mexico. I'm not so familiar with everybody else.

[Ice]

Anybody talking crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I just heard what China had to say on the news this morning. This sound a little spooky.

[Melissa Ford]

What'd they say?

[Parks]

You don't want to do this.

[Joe Budden]

We put in 10 on plastic, 15 on oil, electronics, cars, sneakers.

[D.C.]

It's not gonna work.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

All types of. What? What?

[D.C.]

What your man did is jumped out the window.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

No, but he prom. He promised the American people that on day one, their prices would drop and they would get more bang for their buck. The shit that he is doing is totally to the contrary for most American people that are broke and that are struggling out here. Nine years, disrespect nobody and say broke. That are struggling out here. And a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck. So now when you start putting, even if It's a small 10%, 15% on certain key items that are necessities, that shit is detrimental to some niggas. Households.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

You feel what I'm saying? So the rich billionaire motherfuckers that he chilling with, they not going to feel it. Like when we go to the gas station, my nigga, I don't even know how much gas costs, to be totally honest. I'm not trying to be a dick, but I don't know how much gas costs. I don't know how much milk costs. We just put the in the car and buy it. Everybody else out here don't feel like that.

[Melissa Ford]

True.

[Joe Budden]

I don't do that.

[Parks]

What I keep an eye on. I don't know, around looking for the gas station that is under my.

[D.C.]

I need gas. My car go to Costco, and I'm.

[Ice]

Gonna go, I'm buying gas.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[D.C.]

But you get what I'm saying. So the shit that he's doing is gonna increase, especially temporarily, the price of damn near everything we consume. You don't have American taxpayers best interest at heart when you do shit like that abruptly. And I'm not disagreeing with his overall sentiment that I think some of these things should be done. I think that we should become less dependent upon other countries and other nations. But that has to be done over a long period of time. You can't just stop that shit right now and say, yo, even get down or later. I just think it's bad for the American people.

[Joe Budden]

Agreed.

[Parks]

And also basically picking a fight with allies.

[D.C.]

With everybody.

[Parks]

Yeah, I know. With everybody. But why are you picking a fight with your friends? You know, quote unquote friends, Canada and Mexico?

[D.C.]

This shit, you look at them like users. He don't look at them like friends.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. He say America been too friendly and we need to change it.

[D.C.]

That's what he say.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean, my thinking is either which way the tariffs go, it'll be the American people, they have to pay for it.

[Parks]

It is.

[D.C.]

I'm telling y'all. We had this on the pod before, dog. When. When he was in office before it was Covid. It was a bunch of other shit going on. But he tried some of that terrorist shit before, bro. Everything at Home Depot was damn near double. Like, the prices on certain goods are electrical wire, right? Now, couple this with the construction industry, no disrespect, a bunch of construction people that work in construction field are immigrants, and a lot of them are illegal. So I saw a report the other day where nigga said he got 43 workers. Nine motherfuckers showed up. Nine out of 43, my nigga. That's less than 25% of your workforce. So now that job stops, Right?

[Joe Budden]

And that's.

[D.C.]

We gonna see that nationwide. Then number two, now you add double or at least one and a half times on certain key items in the construction field. Building is a part of our gdp, right? All of that shit now ceases. You fuck the country up doing some.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid shit, I should say, even if you. I know last fall we called Americans lazy. I don't know if I'm rolling with that. But in. Even if you find people to come to work over here, certainly it's not going to be anywhere near the same rate that they go to work for over There.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

Or the efficiency, bro. Some of these niggas been working in construction since they came from over there. So now we come over here, we're going to.

[Ice]

We're going to train all of our.

[D.C.]

High schoolers to become efficient in the trades. That's cool and that's dope. But it takes years to get up.

[Joe Budden]

To speed or to counter to. That is maybe that's where AI comes comes in if you start building our factories and over here and now we. That's the way that we implement AI in the future still.

[D.C.]

It still results in job loss.

[Ice]

And it takes time.

[D.C.]

And it takes time to even implement that and get it up to running.

[Joe Budden]

And we still gonna end up.

[Ice]

And then we're still for a while.

[Melissa Ford]

And the fact of the matter is it's a world economy now and it has been for a long time. Like you're trying to go back to some 50s, 60s.

[D.C.]

He's saying that. He's saying that and he ain't all the way wrong.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he's all the way wrong.

[D.C.]

He's not all the way wrong. He's saying we are being way more lenient and a lot of people are leaning on us and they have built up their economies off of us. He's not wrong. But also we get the benefit of that when we can go to China and outsource some shit that costs $20. But over here, you paying somebody $20 an hour to produce those goods. There's a trade off in that. So all his man in them. You know what I'm saying? The. That's getting billionaires getting filthy rich. They get the benefit of using Chinese labor or Bangladesh or Mexico or any other country that has cheap labor. Y'all getting the benefit of that when y'all getting 900 markups on y'all.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[D.C.]

To get it made over here, you're not gonna get the same profit margin. You got to pick one or the other. My. You can't take both. And so that's why I think he's. He gonna. In the American people gonna feel the brunt of that for sure.

[Ice]

You hit other thing that they doing because of Trump. They took in racism out of the end zones for the Super Bowl.

[Parks]

What?

[D.C.]

Bro, they are taking anything black, anything racial, anything. Anything out of everything. School books, all that, bro.

[Flip]

It's rough.

[Ice]

Look a little spooky.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[D.C.]

They about to stop talking about slavery nationwide.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. Listen.

[Joe Budden]

It was a great part. Don't scare people.

[Ice]

You watch it.

[Joe Budden]

Like, come on. It's fine.

[D.C.]

That's your man.

[Joe Budden]

Heal the world. All right. I got a slap. I got a slap. I got a slap. I got a slap. I had a part of the show, too. It was pretty fast. Let's see. What's your favorite lie that you have ever told? Whether you got caught or caught or not. How impressed were you with yourself? That is from Jamelo.

[Ice]

Don't all talk at once.

[Joe Budden]

I've told some lies where I was, I was pretty impressed with myself. The one that sticks out for me is when I went to open gym on Bayview in Jersey City on a Wednesday from 8pm to 10pm left my MySpace page up in the crib. Shorty got home earlier than she was supposed to. Seen a bunch of things that she wasn't supposed to see. Nigga, I never left a full court game so fast. But anyway, I end up having my homegirl pretend to text. Asked me something as the girl to say that this wasn't real and all types. And it worked. Bet you by golly wow, it didn't. Hey, because you spoke to.

[D.C.]

No, I don't. I don't even know what you're talking about. It just didn't work. They just want us to tell a lie to make it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Maybe.

[Flip]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'll take that one too.

[Ish]

That works, right?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, suppress your real feelings to please me. I'm with that. Hey, you heard me. You heard me. How about y'all? A lie you told where you were really impressed with yourself. Like, oh, that. It worked. Yes. My sleep was queued up.

[Flip]

Yeah, I can't.

[Melissa Ford]

I can't think.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, the guy paid $50. I can't think of one. You got it. I can't either. $50 don't go a long way no more.

[Ice]

We'll try again and have one.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, we'll try to answer it. Next part, man.

[Ice]

No, I bet that was a lie. Go ahead.

[Parks]

No, I'll try. I don't have one already at the bit. Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm going with.

[Corey]

Got the feeling that you know.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Corey]

Way I'm about to get the way I dive in that se. And I want hold back on your baby. From the slow to the fast on your baby. You ain't nobody liking no baby. Good luck to good luck to your good luck. Till your body gets free Till your body gets free Grind on me Relax your mind, Take your time on me.

[Flip]

Whining on me, on me.

[Corey]

I got your head now you're sliding.

[Ish]

On me on me.

[Corey]

I'm Thinking about you in the condo baby I pull up on you solo now with the gang girl I swam around the do I EAS the painting off your body.

[Joe Budden]

Girl you don't know and I want.

[Corey]

Hold back from you baby and I I won't go back on your back Going all on your tracks, going crazy baby Pennies on the floor, condoms in the drawer Cashed out for stones on the gas in your rover Pull up to my house and that I see myself. She don't want to love, she want to get over she want to get more than anyone before. Body so curvy I can ignore Gotta get it in for this time. Cause she don't wanna run on me baby Back it up time for me baby your love.

[Joe Budden]

And it is called Slow Grind, featuring the best R B singer in the world. Y'all queese you know the vibes. And that's off Chix tape. I want to say three shout out to Tory.

[Ish]

Hold your head.

[Ice]

All right, man. I'm going to the best R B album of the year. Okay, this is Feel something off of 1111 Chris Brown.

[Corey]

I need to feel something. I need to feel something. I need to feel something, yeah, I need to feel something. This name is so good and dam me so bad I hate it so good I make you talk back you tell me it's mine. You know I like again reading your sign I need to feel something. I need to feel something. I need to feel something, yeah, I need to feel something.

[Mark]

I just think it's funny that you.

[Corey]

On the same page you usually call me you act like you don't know me Something change I just think it's funny that you don't feel pain Feel so num to pain. Love has changed but something change I remember I'm talking rough going stretcher you call me names they wouldn't know me. As I pull your hair back you start to act bad and dam me so bad I hate it so good. I need to feel something. I need to feel something. I need to feel something, yeah, I need to feel something. You're in charge girl. I need it I need to, I need to feel something. I just want to feel something. I just wanna, I just wanna feel some, feel some.

[Ice]

And that is feel something. Chris Brown again. Congratulations.

[Melissa Ford]

Congrats. Congrats. Well deserved. I'm playing new old music. This is Swiss beats and Nas echo.

[Mark]

Throwing piss out the window at police chasing with warrants there was never no peace. Judy ass was enormous. I was fresh indeed think about essentially knew a bunch of radio raheems rest in peace Four finger rings, biggest brass knuckles Haters walk by try to stab you if they hug you lady on the fourth floor hollering every evening till she planned up was wasn't having it that evening he was beating us she ain't have it that evening One shot to the neck in the juggler now he bleeding she beat the case but damn the kids supper I'm dating the daughter but I have envisions of a mother Project nights no project lights Hoping a friend don't try to rob my mom at night she worked hard to bring it to the table Channel you before we had cable Campbell soup before I had sushi biker shoe before I had the Gucci 40 deuce with a karate movie out of sync Mouth moving movie sent to the store for Lucy Came a long way now the same one salute me Haters say it must be nice I say it must be hate I don't like that line shit straight fake yeah, I'm talking the 80s, not the 90s stuff time is real in Jamaica, Queens Ronnie Bumps, Queensbridge Kings and all that rowdy white boys with baseball bats Italians and Greeks on Ditmars style Conway street all the slick cars I know some fake living a lie I got some real ready to die I know some fake living a lie I got some real ready to die we was times square pioneers 40 deuce, 40 below boots 40, 40 ounce brew the true bishop from Juice running while loose me and my 40 troops was stupid style of a snorkel coach Polo Goose is ruthless Goons and wolves, bail jumpers, everybody from everywhere they was trying to jump us for pumping True story, my youngins I'm a daily thuggish Freddie Douglas military Persona yeah, I'm living with honor till my who serving 40 while I'm in my 40s I'm a walking observatory A murder story Sister shorty on this journey till I'm a weakened and Bernie's dead Burning herb Porsche frames hang on my head 30 years ago memories they never left Special memories my that would never forget for some reason we isolate that feeling I wouldn't change a damn thing for a billion I know some fake living a lie I got some real ready to die I know some fake niggas living a lie I got some real ready to die.

[Joe Budden]

That'S.

[Melissa Ford]

Echo, Swiss Beats and Nas Little throwback.

[D.C.]

The said Channel. You the you Channel before we had cable.

[Flip]

Y'all too young for that one.

[Joe Budden]

You had to turn the channel to.

[Ice]

You, then go to the video music, UHF channels.

[D.C.]

That's Crazy I'm going to Kyle Banks and sir the song is mob.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Corey]

I'm a boss making boss moves People, people stare when I walk though they be minding my business got my life on their wish list Think I be playing I put a couple names on my head list Better watch what you said you ain't trying to get ignorant Imma say what I want I don't need me reason Cut the check or.

[Joe Budden]

I'm leaving Flight in the morning, a flight in the evening Got no time.

[Corey]

I ain't got no time pay my dues I don't pay no mind night with you I don't think that as well I'm ready to fly.

[Joe Budden]

I'm the.

[Corey]

Best and you know this man smoke who smoke me on Friday I need everything my way fam I don't play, you ain't on my squad no day you ain't on your job that's my line you might press your luck what you want? I don't give no I'mma say what I want I don't give me a reason Cut the chair, go I'm leaving got no time, ain't got no time pay my dues I don't think no mind play with you I don't think that's wise I'm already too flat.

[Joe Budden]

Everything.

[Corey]

In this shoe.

[Melissa Ford]

That'S Cal Banks and sir Mob salute friends of the show. That was dope.

[Parks]

My track is by an artist named Winnie and it's called Pretty.

[Joe Budden]

My mind I love broken I redress them to make my money with pride I sing with every life in me I like to jump in sangari I know come this life complete and I surely know the dry compete what you gonna do if you know it would you stay happy? Some days I'm not Some days I'm dripping water sipping over judgment I'm just a monster but we getting better oh nobody apologies I don't care she beat a new recipe only the best of me I'm pretty in my own way and I like to just sing what's on my mind Broke and I redress make my money with pride I sing with every life in me I like to jump in San Gary I know come this life complete and I surely.

[Corey]

Know the dry competition Would you stay happy?

[Melissa Ford]

That's Winnie Pretty with it. Big mark, what you got, man?

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Ish]

This weekend album, it's been having me in chokehold all weekend. So I'm. I'm gonna go with one of the joints I really love, which was baptized in fear.

[Ice]

That's the one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

I fell asleep in the tub I was fed with paralysis My foot hit the of water started flowing in Couldn't scrap her up I just slowly felt the pressure hit Moving one toe was the only form of motionless can't breathe for air can't breathe Trying to remember everything that my preacher said Trying to right my wrongs my regrets Filling up my head all the times I dodged it this can't be the way it ends Flow Figure in the corner I can't quite see I just know the shadow staring at me it gets closer, it gets closer it gets closer now figure in the corner laughing at me Water fill my lungs Vision B party Heartbeat slower Heartbeat slower heartbeat slower Voices will tell me that I should carry on Voices that tell me that I should carry on Voices that tell me that I should carry on I've been baptized in fear, my dear I've been the chief of sin Washing my soul within I've been baptized in fear, my dear Like Paul I'm the chief of sin Washing my soul within oh figure in the corner I can't quite see I just know the shadows staring at me it gets closer, it gets closer it gets closer now figure in the corner Laughing at me Wanna feel my lungs Vision blurry Heartbeat slower heartbeat slower Voices will tell me that I should carry on Voices will tell me that I should carry.

[D.C.]

On.

[Corey]

Voices that tell me that I should carry on Voices that tell me that that I should carry you Voices will tell me that I should carry.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Melissa Ford]

Baptized in fear cuts off flows into the next song. That album also had me and chokehold.

[Ice]

Lots of edibles, lots of weekends, and.

[Melissa Ford]

It was a vibe.

[Ice]

And before we get out of here, man, I just want to send a heads up to a friend of the show. His name is Eric Sykes. Lost his moms last week very suddenly, so just hold your head, dog.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, word.

[Joe Budden]

And we want to send thoughts and prayers to Kendrick and his family. I know he announced in the Grammys that his aunt passed the day before. Yeah, true. So thoughts and prayers to him as well. And with that said, man, good pod, ladies and gentlemen. Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we have enjoyed delivering it to you. Let's go, Chris.

[Corey]

Yesterday I fell in love. Today feels like my funeral. I just got hit by.

[Joe Budden]

Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Earth got it. We praying for you. No matter what's going on, my brother, I love you. Prayers to those inside the pod and outside the pod. Until next time, I bid you a due farewell. So Long goodbye or a simple head nod will suffice.

[Corey]

Aim steady.

[Joe Budden]

Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And lastly. What up, Big Mel? Let Carlos Miller know what up. Lastly.

[Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Huh? No.

[Parks]

Is this the whole Baddies are insecure.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. There you go. Nicole Murphy is whack. Takara's whack. All you on my body, superhead.

[Parks]

You whack the stag.

[Joe Budden]

Mandy B. All you that was talking about me. Y'all seen my workout bids on the gram. You've seen what I'm doing. Giving it up. Stop playing with me. Mad movies on the way. Pod out of here. Trade my mark. Hot and bothered gym clothes coming soon.

[Ish]

Stop playing.

[Joe Budden]

Stop playing around out here. That's what you was gonna say.

[Parks]

Thank you for summing it up for me. I appreciate that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm such a messy one day. When I'm 45. When I'm 46. I'm growing up soon. I'm growing up soon. When I buy my house, I'm out of here. I'm growing up.

[Parks]

That's the blind.

[Joe Budden]

That's when I'll be mature. Yo, till next time, man. Y'all hold it down. Anybody got any fun weekend? I mean, week plans? Week plans. Anything fun going on this week? Anything exciting going on?

[Flip]

Nope.

[Melissa Ford]

Studio. Studio. Studio.

[Ice]

Quiet week, buddy.

[Flip]

Buckling down.

[Joe Budden]

Buckling down.

[Ish]

I ain't gonna see y'all before Sunday, but y'all welcome to the crib. If y'all want to watch Super Bowl.

[Joe Budden]

Who's making the super bowl snacks?

[Ish]

Quality, quality, cook. Not me. This is Mac and cheese. This will be Mac and cheese.

[Joe Budden]

So there is Mac and cheese. Even though you're totally against Mac and cheese.

[Ish]

That's right. Because I love.

[Joe Budden]

My wife is cooking.

[Ish]

She's cooking in some other folk making some stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Some other folk making some stuff. That's that money talk right there. I heard all the way through that. Kings listen. Kings listen. Man too like that.

[Ice]

Cause he won't go in there.

[Ish]

You know? I ain't going in there.

[Joe Budden]

I did the regular old ghetto man hit the buffalo wing. Lady says send over some honey wings.

[Melissa Ford]

I was thinking about buying, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Spicy, spicy chili, you know? I mean, some pasta salad, seafood salad, something like that. You know? You know the vibe. All right, man. Look at Ice, my son. Look at Ice. Look at Ice being my son. Yo, me and park spent many years in a recording doing music.

[Parks]

It was amazing. Amazing.

[Ish]

That was the best one.

[Parks]

That was the best One, though, audience.

[Joe Budden]

That was a quick little punching that we had to do, you know what I mean? Ice always doubts us. I only know us from potting.

[Melissa Ford]

Me.

[Joe Budden]

Ice only know us from potting.

[Melissa Ford]

Still in the studio.

[D.C.]

He came to see.

[Melissa Ford]

He was in the studio like a rapper this weekend. He didn't like that.

[Joe Budden]

But, oh, yeah, when I. When I forgot to hit my prize pick lines up here and I had to go to Park's house before the strip club.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, went over there. Had to save my favorite spot. I never said that before. Where. Where the boof at, man?

[Melissa Ford]

You lost.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know where the booth was. I didn't know how to turn the headphones up no more. I was lost in there. Y'all hold it down, man. Peace, love, health, wealth and prosperity. Remember, Tupac is if don't nobody else care. Congratulations to all the winners out there, all the nominees out there. If you lost, do better. You got a year to get to it. Seriously. Seriously. I ain't joking.

[Ice]

His motivation.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you got any last words for these hating ass out here or Carlos Miller?

[Parks]

No, I feel like you summed it up for me.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Parks]

I appreciate that.

[Joe Budden]

That's right. Yeah, yeah. They talking about, for the record, I.

[Parks]

Love my crew up here, huh? For the record. All right, talk heavy now.

[Joe Budden]

We got it. We gotta hit it now. My crew, my dogs. Set rules, break laws. We represent for the laws of dogs they talking about. All right, man, we got.

[Melissa Ford]

I can see Sabrina tap dancing on that little jingle right there.

[Joe Budden]

She shouldn't tap dance. Ever again. Ever again. Sabrina shouldn't tap dance. Little Taylor Swift, Jr. We need the great white beefs. Like the great white version. That's what we need. All of them. They like the Avengers. Sabrina. Billy, I think Sabrina and the girl.

[Melissa Ford]

Olivia Rodrigo used to be beefing. I don't know if they cleaned it.

[Joe Budden]

Up, but not Sabrina. Billy, you better take your ass to Rainbow. Get you some girl clothes, man. Come on. Trump is in Rainbow. Take your ass to what? The other spot we used to go to. American Al. American Apparel. Come on. See what that ass is heading for.

[Melissa Ford]

Clip this.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all think Billie Eilish got ass on them crisscross je.

[Parks]

She definitely got boobs.

[Ice]

She got titties.

[Joe Budden]

She had boobs. She got titties. Wait, so y'all are sexualizing her? No. Bye.