Episode 807 | "Reverse Card Day"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 807: "Reverse Card Day" Summary

Release Date: March 12, 2025

1. Health Updates and Personal Injuries
Timestamps: 00:47 - 09:14

The episode begins with the hosts discussing recent health challenges within their circle. Malcolm shares his Achilles rupture and the efforts to find a skilled black female surgeon in Louisiana for his brother's injury. The group emphasizes the importance of professional medical care and the camaraderie in supporting each other's recovery.

“I found him a good black woman surgeon. Dope.” – Malcolm [01:09]

2. Jermaine Dupri’s Independent vs. Major Labels Debate
Timestamps: 20:04 - 27:49

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Jermaine Dupri’s recent tweet questioning the value of independent labels compared to major ones. The hosts critique Dupri's perspective, suggesting it may stem from a privileged standpoint that doesn't account for the struggles faced by most independent artists. They argue that independent labels often provide better financial security and autonomy, despite potentially offering less immediate financial gain compared to majors.

“He’s questioning what’s special about being independent, but that’s his point.” – Joe Budden [22:43]

3. Dochi's Comments on Red Flags in Dating
Timestamps: 32:05 - 44:31

The conversation shifts to comments made by Doja Cat (referred to as Dochi) regarding red flags in dating, specifically disfavoring straight men. The hosts defend Dochi, suggesting her preferences are personal and shouldn't be misinterpreted as negative towards others. They stress the importance of respecting individual choices without generalizing or offending different groups.

“You can have a preference as long as you don’t put down what’s not your preference.” – Melissa Ford [44:22]

4. High School Relay Race Incident
Timestamps: 68:00 - 85:34

The hosts discuss a viral video from a high school relay race where a participant is accidentally—or allegedly intentionally—hit with a baton, resulting in a concussion. They explore the implications of such accidents in youth sports, the physical and emotional impact on the participants, and the broader conversation about safety and sportsmanship.

“She caught a concussion. She dropped out of the relay race. That was the funniest part.” – Melissa Ford [69:00]

5. Parenting Challenges and Advice
Timestamps: 145:47 - 165:00

Listener Daniel seeks advice on balancing work and parenting, expressing frustration over disagreements with his wife about being home more. The hosts offer blunt and practical advice, emphasizing financial responsibility and effective communication. They discuss traditional gender roles in parenting, the importance of both parents' involvement, and strategies to manage parental stress.

“You want your kid to have a healthy respect of women.” – Joe Budden [148:39]

6. Conspiracy Theories: "Plants" and Legal Accusations
Timestamps: 52:05 - 106:00

The episode delves into conspiracy theories about industry “plants” and recent legal accusations involving celebrities. The hosts debate the legitimacy of such theories, questioning the authenticity of high-profile lawsuits and the motives behind them. They express skepticism over the validity of certain allegations and the impact of fabricated stories on public perception.

“A lot of the opposition is fueled by unbelievable accusations...” – Joe Budden [72:26]

7. Sports Discussions: NFL, Yankees, and Justin Fields
Timestamps: 133:00 - 157:00

The hosts engage in lively discussions about current NFL topics, including player trades, team strategies, and quarterback prospects like Justin Fields and Aaron Rodgers. They critique team decisions, explore the impact of player acquisitions, and share opinions on team performances and management.

“Justin Fields, if you give him a starter spot on the team, he's going to do something.” – Joe Budden [139:11]

8. Closing Segments and Music Promotions
Timestamps: 157:00 - End

The episode concludes with lighter banter, music promotions, and casual interactions. The hosts reflect on past events, share personal anecdotes, and engage in playful exchanges, wrapping up the episode on an entertaining note.

“Let’s have a little bit of fun.” – Joe Budden [65:25]

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Notable Quotes:

• “I'm not used to being at the kid's table... shout out to Ish. By the way, my brother who's getting his injury handled. I found him a surgeon... She's so dope.” – Malcolm [00:47]

• “He’s questioning what’s special about being independent, but that’s his point.” – Joe Budden [22:43]

• “You can have a preference as long as you don’t put down what’s not your preference.” – Melissa Ford [44:22]

• “She caught a concussion. She dropped out of the relay race. That was the funniest part.” – Melissa Ford [69:00]

• “You want your kid to have a healthy respect of women.” – Joe Budden [148:39]

• “A lot of the opposition is fueled by unbelievable accusations...” – Joe Budden [72:26]

• “Justin Fields, if you give him a starter spot on the team, he's going to do something.” – Joe Budden [139:11]

• “Let’s have a little bit of fun.” – Joe Budden [65:25]

Conclusion:

Episode 807, titled "Reverse Card Day," offers a deep dive into a variety of topics, from personal health struggles and industry debates to parenting challenges and conspiracy theories. The hosts provide candid insights and foster dynamic discussions, blending humor with serious commentary. This episode serves as a compelling listen for both dedicated followers and newcomers, capturing the essence of the camaraderie and diverse perspectives that define The Joe Budden Podcast.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart. Or our own. Enjoy the show. Whatever the fuck, get out your ass out there. All right, we ready. We ready. We ready.

[Malcolm]

We ready.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, sir.

[Parks]

What's poppin?

[Melissa Ford]

What's happening?

[Parks]

Mark, you might want a microphone.

[Malcolm]

Oh, headphones. Look, I was the one who was.

[Melissa Ford]

Talking the most shit, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Mr. We don't need a board.

[Malcolm]

We don't need a professional board.

[Joe Budden]

We don't need a board.

[Malcolm]

I'm not used to being at the kids table. Y'all used to have me over there. I forgot. I forgot. Shout out to Ish. By the way, my brother who's getting his injury handled. I found him a surgeon. I found him an excellent surgeon. So she's gonna take care of him.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

All right. Where's the surgeon?

[Malcolm]

Here, Louisiana.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, for real?

[Ish]

Wow.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I found good black woman surgeon. Dope.

[Ish]

Incredible.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I ruptured my Achilles as well. I didn't use her, but I thought this is a really good opportunity to give a black woman a chance.

[Melissa Ford]

Why you send them the. Who did you. What kind of shit is that? Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, is my brain just. No, Is my brain just sick in the head?

[Melissa Ford]

That sounds like some book.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I don't want to be sick in the head because I want to give black woman props and all the.

[Melissa Ford]

Praise, but that ain't sound like that was insane.

[Malcolm]

I'm just teasing Ish, because I know he's nervous. Probably going to hear this. No, she's an excellent. Honestly, one of the best in the country. She's amazing. She gave me a lot of good advice. On mine, I just happened to not go to her because I didn't discover her until afterward. I would have gone to her, and she's amazing. I was happy to pass the connection over. She's so dope. And that's why he went all the way across the country to see her. She's amazing.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, in one version of the story, I'm sure all of that's true.

[Ish]

What's the other version?

[Joe Budden]

In the other version, this black surgeon lady is dope enough to start this podcast with a five minute ad. And though I didn't go see her for my surgery, for whatever reason. Cause she's so great. But there was something that happened that I didn't go see her. Damn. Hey, I didn't talk during yours. I didn't talk during yours. Yo, this lady is the dopest surgeon in the world. But when I tried to go see this black lady, I went over, went to the white man, but something happened to where I couldn't get it done. I'm not saying that's the wife. I mean, but what I can do is suggest my man her to my man's who has the same what injury. And he could fly. There's a flight involved. You could fly Long flight.

[Melissa Ford]

Long flight.

[Joe Budden]

Long flight. You could fly it to this black lady surgeon.

[Melissa Ford]

You gotta stay over there to recover.

[Joe Budden]

And I would assume there's some pretty good surgeons right here in New York.

[Melissa Ford]

Top of the line.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, that's the thing about New York, y'all. Hey, if you never been bad surgeons.

[Ish]

Hey, they got the best of the best. The premium, the best of everything.

[Joe Budden]

The best in the fucking whole universe.

[Ish]

They come here, happen to just be.

[Melissa Ford]

Across the water right there.

[Joe Budden]

You could see.

[Melissa Ford]

You can see. That's. That's the crazy part about it.

[Malcolm]

And New York got dope surgeons.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Malcolm]

And because this was a recommendation and because she's so good, it made sense. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

No, it make a lot of sense.

[Malcolm]

I don't know what it means.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with you. It make all the sense in the world.

[Melissa Ford]

Niggas is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. That's funny. Oh, man. My girl will put that lady all history on the TV. Oh, yeah. Black lady surgeon, huh, L.A. huh? What's her name?

[Melissa Ford]

What time we going?

[Joe Budden]

My girl going right to her gram. That's girls Wikipedia for bitches. They gram. Oh, man. How y'all doing? It's good to see y'all.

[Ish]

Good.

[Melissa Ford]

Good to be seeing.

[Joe Budden]

How you feeling? I'm feel great. I feel great. Got with my trainer yesterday. He gave me the. The stretch out. The stretch. I needed pause. Did the right thing with my body. My meal prep going great.

[Malcolm]

Oh, meal prep.

[Melissa Ford]

My.

[Joe Budden]

No smoking is going great.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

She was going, all right. She was going, all right.

[Malcolm]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

I was over here getting educated. Mel was teaching me some health over here.

[Parks]

What she teach you?

[Ish]

I was teaching him about a herniated disc. Oh, damn.

[Melissa Ford]

Annoying.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Who has that?

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, the hip of you.

[Joe Budden]

I see that too.

[Ish]

Where's yours?

[Melissa Ford]

L6L7.

[Ish]

Mine's in my cervical spine.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yours up here.

[Malcolm]

How y'all do that? How you do that?

[Melissa Ford]

Car accident.

[Joe Budden]

That's gay. Of you. Oh, in the lumbar.

[Melissa Ford]

Fucking.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[Parks]

She was tearing that shit up.

[Malcolm]

Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

When he looked at Mel, it was like L7.

[Malcolm]

Oh, that's what I was like. How you do that? I was trying to be n.

[Joe Budden]

Good thing you skipped the game. A herniated disc Ain't the male version of that. Just a hernia. Does that have a hernia? No.

[Melissa Ford]

Totally different.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Parks]

Holy.

[Joe Budden]

All right, keep relating. Go ahead. But anyway, I was getting educated on that because I didn't know just as annoying what it was or how you get that.

[Melissa Ford]

Injections, all that. I ain't doing the surgery.

[Joe Budden]

You got injections?

[Melissa Ford]

I had trigger point injections. My lower back.

[Joe Budden]

What was the trigger point?

[Malcolm]

Being a girl.

[Melissa Ford]

That. All right. I'm asking. All right.

[Joe Budden]

For real, who we doing? I'm just ask. I don't know nothing about what are we doing.

[Malcolm]

The trigger point is right there.

[Melissa Ford]

Just want to know what we doing.

[Malcolm]

He got his. Got a bbl.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, nigga got injections by his tramp.

[Malcolm]

St.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. How your lower back is n my up, but your lower back. Back. What you been doing with your lower back?

[Parks]

Arching.

[Melissa Ford]

I can't tell y'all nothing.

[Malcolm]

Men.

[Joe Budden]

Men ain't supposed to get that there. You supposed to have, oh, my shoulder somewhere.

[Melissa Ford]

No, you lift wrong. You can your lower back up.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't wear your five. You didn't wear the five.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, man. Car accidents. So all that happened, though.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

But how do you even go find.

[Melissa Ford]

That out about yourself? Go to the doctor.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

That's how you find yourself.

[Joe Budden]

And they'll say for your lower back, though.

[Melissa Ford]

You start complaining about back pain enough.

[Joe Budden]

I never did. Wait, stop. Don't complain, but let's stop right there. Got it. I've never complained about my lower back being in pain is what I'm saying.

[Melissa Ford]

You could take it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, nigga got the insane male guy.

[Malcolm]

That was a nice reverse. It was well played, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Then they go send you off of, you know, MRIs, all that, and then they put it up. Oh, yeah. You got a herniated disc.

[Malcolm]

Let me know if you. I got a back guy.

[Joe Budden]

I got some Tyler. So you going to send him to a bad guy?

[Malcolm]

Oh, yeah. I mean, from everything about this story, everything about this story sound like that's what he needs.

[Joe Budden]

At some point today. I do want to see a picture of the. The black surgeon in la.

[Malcolm]

I will. She's a brilliant sister.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't what was in question. That wasn't what was in question.

[Malcolm]

I know, I know.

[Joe Budden]

At some point, I just.

[Melissa Ford]

He gonna show. No, no, pull it up.

[Joe Budden]

I show.

[Malcolm]

I show.

[Joe Budden]

That's gonna tell the whole story.

[Melissa Ford]

The story told already.

[Joe Budden]

I know, but they like to come in here and give props to black sisters.

[Ish]

He's gonna receive some good care.

[Malcolm]

She is.

[Joe Budden]

That was hate.

[Ish]

It's not. It's not hate. Actually, it's not. It's just the opposite. A study came out that more that people fare better when they have a female doctor or female surgeon, especially a black one.

[Malcolm]

Mm.

[Ish]

Mm.

[Malcolm]

They take care of you.

[Joe Budden]

My girl Mel is sitting here with the ice packs glued to her shoulders.

[Ish]

Because if I didn't, I wouldn't be able to look at your pretty face, motherfucker. Cause my neck was only about this much mobility about 20 minutes ago.

[Malcolm]

How'd you hurt your neck? Your back?

[Melissa Ford]

That's hate.

[Ish]

Cervical. It's a herniated disc.

[Malcolm]

No, but it was like a car accident.

[Ish]

Well, yes, I did have one. Where?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that's what I mean, the origin of it. Oh, you still getting pain from that?

[Ish]

I mean. No, it's gradual.

[Malcolm]

Gotcha.

[Ish]

Like, it probably started there. Like, minor.

[Malcolm]

Okay, I got an acupuncturist you should see.

[Joe Budden]

Please eat this thing out of everybody. I mean, this is one way to look at it. Everything she's saying is true.

[Melissa Ford]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

What's also true is, my God, don't play about me.

[Malcolm]

You. You wanted him, people.

[Joe Budden]

My God, every. Every month, I tell y'all, my God, don't play about me. It just so happens to be factual that Mel came in here and had a field day about niggas health. Oh, she was on Cloud 10, and my God said a word.

[Melissa Ford]

A word, A word. That's how you do it.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. Broke it. That's how you do it.

[Melissa Ford]

Watch this.

[Joe Budden]

Look at my girl. God damn.

[Ish]

Yeah, the problem is, is that I probably keep exacerbating it because I won't leave the gym.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Parks]

That's another reverse card.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's reverse card day.

[Parks]

Yeah, it is.

[Ish]

Probably.

[Joe Budden]

It's reverse card day, and now that I've slept on it, I'm ready for Pilates class.

[Ish]

Oh, really?

[Joe Budden]

I'm ready.

[Parks]

You been doing some research or something?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, if the basketball clip sold like that, mailing some Lululemon at the front.

[Ish]

Wait, I thought I had to wear a snowsuit. No, I thought we had to, like, you know, never take the focus off of. Oh, okay. No, we're here for it. All right.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. I don't even Think none of us gonna be in this clip. This shit gonn. Oh, man. All right. I'm having fun. I'm having a good time.

[Ish]

I like it.

[Joe Budden]

Having a good time. We got. It's a beautiful weather. Beautiful weather out here.

[Ish]

Yes, it's that.

[Joe Budden]

It is a beautiful day. No surprise a few have called out. They do it every time. Every time. The 10 beat around 65ish them. Emergencies, car trouble, all types of shit start going on. All right, all right.

[Malcolm]

Mic check, mic check, mic check, mic check.

[Joe Budden]

One, two, one, two. Hey. Feeling good, feeling great. All praise due to a higher power Woke me up this morning. Thank God. Thank God. Shout out to my Muslim brothers, man. 5:55 will be here soon. Not soon enough. No, I know, I know. My brothers is going through it.

[Malcolm]

You popped his body. The sandwich in front of you. You popped a double roast beef sandwich. This is delicious.

[Joe Budden]

They're on Ramadan, right?

[Malcolm]

Like, damn.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Melissa Ford]

Always for the ladies.

[Joe Budden]

Always for the ladies.

[Ish]

Whoa.

[Joe Budden]

More than you. I love you more.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

I love you more than you know. 30, enough.

[Malcolm]

40 enough.

[Joe Budden]

50, enough. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Of course.

[Malcolm]

And last time, listeners, all the A.

[Joe Budden]

Listeners out there, all the patronies.

[Malcolm]

Salute.

[Joe Budden]

Salute. Salute.

[Melissa Ford]

It's been a long time. See, you haven't changed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean.

[Ish]

It'S good to see you anyway.

[Joe Budden]

March moving like he got somewhere to be.

[Parks]

Sure is.

[Joe Budden]

God damn, I ain't gonna hold you. It's gonna be cookout season real soon. Hey, shout out to the niggas that bring crab legs to the cookout. All the cheering out there, all the high schoolers. Big Jersey. Big Jersey, of course. Whole New York City, the Carolinas, when I look at you. Shout out to our brothers that couldn't be here today. We love you. A call with me.

[Malcolm]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Malcolm]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Microphone check. One, two. What is.

[Melissa Ford]

This is.

[Joe Budden]

Let's keep this applause going. Hey, for the best crew in the world. Marcus handed me a picture of this black surgeon in la. Okay.

[Malcolm]

Wonderful, wonderful black surgeon.

[Joe Budden]

Wonderful woman. Wonderful woman. Oh, and that's all I'll say. Let me get these drops out the way right quick. What episode is this?

[Parks]

807.

[Joe Budden]

Mel and Mark. Mark. Mark. All right. Welcome to episode 807 of the Joe Button Podcast, brought to you by Powered by Fueled by Prize Picks. Prize Pigs. Gang, I am your humble, grateful, gracious and fully dressed host, Joe Button, here with some really amazing people to my right. You already know her name. The beautiful, the intelligent Melissa Ford is in the building. Hey, Dr. Mark Lamont. Hill is in the building. Fresh off of a 1V5, right? I seen that 1V5 on Pierce. Is that old?

[Malcolm]

No, that's new. I hate them motherfuckers, man.

[Joe Budden]

I seen you on Pierce. That's where you go to get your shit off. They tried to jump, my man.

[Malcolm]

Exactly. For real. They jumping every fucking time, man.

[Parks]

What was the subject?

[Malcolm]

There's always something to do with race. They always make. They always ask me a race question. Then I answer the race question. They go, why are you bringing up race? And then they all jump over every fucking time.

[Joe Budden]

You smoke that shit though.

[Malcolm]

Oh, I was killing them.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you go over there and eat, I ain't gonna hold you. It was fun. You do big freeze. The freeziest of them all, huh? Mr. Take it further himself.

[Malcolm]

Let's go. That's the nickname right there.

[Joe Budden]

Big eyes. Big parks in the building.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Fucking PO is here. Corey's here. My dad is here. Erickson is here. Ian and Keith might still be here. Savon and Tanner are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. What's poppin? What's poppin? What's poppin'though what's good. Shout out to our brothers Flip and Ish, here with us in spirit. Yeah, Flip had an emergency. Fresh off of the room. Fresh off of the room over the weekend.

[Malcolm]

Oh, I watched some of that and.

[Parks]

I just got paid. Emergency.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. The funds hit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Shout out to my brothers. Shout out to my brothers. How y'all feeling?

[Ish]

Good.

[Malcolm]

Feeling good.

[Parks]

Excellent, man.

[Malcolm]

This weather make me feel better.

[Parks]

Absolutely.

[Malcolm]

Even inside, I don't even care. It's just nice.

[Melissa Ford]

And the time change, like normally. I don't be liking that shit.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I'm cool with it.

[Ish]

It's a little rough.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

This was all right this time.

[Joe Budden]

Change is me up.

[Melissa Ford]

Really.

[Parks]

It's fucking me up a little bit, but I'm happy that it's here.

[Ish]

Yes and yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we lost an hour. So I keep waking up earlier. So my 4:30 is 3:30.

[Parks]

I'll wake up later.

[Joe Budden]

So now I'm up at 3:30 in the morning, sitting there looking stupid, watching old movies. I did watch the Social Network again. What a great movie.

[Parks]

I saw you tweet that. I was like, are you watching the Social network at like 6am?

[Joe Budden]

It's very different watching it now. Yeah. 3:30 in the morning. I said, you know what I've been meaning to see again? The Social Network.

[Parks]

That's an interesting choice.

[Joe Budden]

It's. It's one of those movies that I interpret differently as an adult. Like an adult adult. Like in my 40s also.

[Parks]

We've kind of seen the shit play out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Justin Timberlake, what a sack of shit in the Social Network. But anyway, we won't talk about that.

[Melissa Ford]

So.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm just waking up earlier and earlier.

[Malcolm]

Well, I'm. If anybody fasting, that extra hour is not the best. It's not your friend.

[Joe Budden]

I saw you say that.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. Cause it's been 5:58 to break fast. Now it's 6:58. That hour is crucial.

[Melissa Ford]

Cause the hour don't though.

[Joe Budden]

No. Cause they not.

[Parks]

You sleep, though.

[Malcolm]

You get on the other end. You get back on the other end if you wake up to eat. Because you get to sleep an extra hour before that. But I usually go to bed like you. I'm up all night and then I miss breakfast. And then I'm going till 6:00. And now I'm going to 7:00. So for me, I don't get the advantage of the other side of it.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna say I'm up all night now. I'm in bed. That's true. I hit that bed around 7:00. That's the fire. Shit, boy, just being in bed. When I used to live with Corey, and he was old and I was young and hot, and Cory just used to stay in the room and never leave for like months at a time. I used to be hitting the streets. I used to look up to him and be like, how the fuck does he do that shit now?

[Melissa Ford]

Now you get it.

[Parks]

Shit make all sense.

[Joe Budden]

She's like, all right, nigga. What?

[Malcolm]

That's the goal.

[Joe Budden]

I really only need a roommate. They lucky to say the 90s when renting a room was still fashionably cool, I would get a room. And if you caught the room that didn't have the shared bathroom. What? Shout out to 95. The room saved my life when I was running away from home.

[Malcolm]

Oh, hell yeah. 50 a week.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You see me?

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, what are we talking about? Let's fight about shit. All right, Yo, I'm telling y'all now, I'm not taking none of this news serious.

[Parks]

I don't feel like there's that much serious.

[Joe Budden]

No, some of this shit is a little serious.

[Ish]

Every single day there's some kind of catastrophic event happening or, you know, Trump signs another, you know, piece of paper, toilet paper.

[Parks]

I'm blocking some of that shit out.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I stopped reading.

[Malcolm]

For me, what made Me nervous was hearing that JD Was is coming for y'all. I already want to fuck y'all up.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Let's get right to it. Jermaine Dupree is on ice. And Melissa Ford's ass.

[Melissa Ford]

That's who ass he on.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, he right on your H7, was it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. L2. Yeah. L3. What hurts? Jermaine Dupree has replied to all of the responses to his independent tweet, and he made a video. In that video, he highlights the Joe Budden podcast and how we framed his question to make it appear like he was comparing Indy versus Major. And that wasn't his goal at all.

[Melissa Ford]

But we didn't frame that.

[Ish]

Yeah, I feel like he did that all on Twitter.

[Parks]

I think we just read the tweet and.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's how you tweeted that. Why would y'all. What's the benefit of being independent, Basically, is what he asked. I'm not framing anything.

[Joe Budden]

Well, well, let me let y'all. Cause y'all the ones with the smoke. Nah, I ain't got no smoke me on y'all ass.

[Melissa Ford]

He's not on. That's not. He not on my ass. But go ahead, finish. You can finish.

[Ish]

I was gonna say. I haven't actually heard what he's had to say. So if he. He have a little bit to play, then I'm more than six.

[Melissa Ford]

Excuse me. Six, seven minute clip up.

[Ish]

Oh, Christ.

[Melissa Ford]

And majority of it was just him explaining, basically saying, I understand what independent is because I've done X, Y, Z. So he broke down how he found Andrea, how he, you know, everything. Her album was all independent, all funded by him. No outside backing, nothing like that. He addressed people saying how he, quote, unquote, fumbled having latto because she started on the rap game show. And he was saying, the winner of that show, you got a chain. You got for him to produce a song.

[Joe Budden]

We don't care about all that shit. He said his point was.

[Parks]

That's a sick prize, by the way.

[Ish]

Who was the winner anyways? Do we know who they are? Do we talk about Jane?

[Malcolm]

No, this is years ago.

[Ish]

No, I'm saying mulatto is where she is. And where is the winner of that show? Where's the worst gift anyways?

[Joe Budden]

We don't keep going.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not. Wasn't the point. The point.

[Joe Budden]

His point was, what is special about being independent?

[Ish]

I don't think that some of the.

[Joe Budden]

Things that people were naming freedom and having your rights and so forth and so on. He was saying, I have got that and I know people that have those same things on majors. On majors. So what is specific, specifically special about being an independent?

[Parks]

Everybody don't get that as a major.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just gonna say.

[Ish]

I was about to say, like, he. Again, he said. Still sounds like he's speaking from a privileged standpoint or you want to smoke? It's not smoke, though. It's literally just addressing commentary that's going back and forth. I don't have anything personal against the guy, but the fact of the matter is that it still sounds like he's speaking from a privileged position because, like Parks just said, it's not. Just because you're on a major doesn't guarantee that you're going to have all of that. And it just seems like you're trying.

[Joe Budden]

To get part of the moment.

[Malcolm]

Let her cook.

[Joe Budden]

Let her cook.

[Melissa Ford]

Come on, come on. Let her cook. Somebody gotta break up your stretch.

[Joe Budden]

I see you, girl. No, I'm coming for it, so don't you stop.

[Ish]

So no, come for me, because that's.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking shit. Go ahead.

[Ish]

Okay. No, it just. It just seems like, like I said, he's speaking from a privileged position. And like I said as well that it might be an antiquated thought process.

[Melissa Ford]

I just don't like the fact that he even. Even mentioning. I know people are majors that got their. Their masters and all that. They had to negotiate that probably down the line, you're not getting signed today. Well, unless you scorching hot. You might could. You might could leverage some of that today. But that's again, a small port. Those who are scorching hot kind of realize, hey, I got here.

[Ish]

It sounds like he's referring to outliers, you know what I'm saying? So it's the exception to the rule. And so it's kind of like when they use the success of a black person to say, see, racism doesn't exist. There's opportunity is bountiful. No, the fuck it's not. You know what I'm saying? It seems like he's making kind of trying to create that kind of argument, and it still falls a little flat to me.

[Malcolm]

Do you think that he's got it wrong, or do you think he's carrying the water for the majors?

[Ish]

That's what the latter, it sounds like.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, according to him, all he was doing was asking a question, and we should never make it so in hip hop that somebody is unable to ask a question.

[Malcolm]

But here's the problem with that.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he said.

[Malcolm]

I hear that. And if he weren't Jermaine Dupri, it would be like me saying on Twitter, what's the point of Black History Month? I could just be asking a question, but you would expect that I would know the answer to that based on who I am and where I am in the world.

[Joe Budden]

After 40 years in the Black History Month. February or April?

[Malcolm]

Both.

[Ish]

It's all year round.

[Malcolm]

It's all year round.

[Joe Budden]

So we get two.

[Malcolm]

We just get February. We just get February. We used to get a week. Now we get them all now.

[Ish]

But we don't really get shit anymore, according to Trump.

[Joe Budden]

But if it's April. All right.

[Malcolm]

So it's like when Jermaine Dupree says, what's the difference? It's hard to take it as an earnest question. When he's an industry veteran, a legend, somebody who knows the business inside and out, it's hard for me to believe that he needs to ask that question to Twitter.

[Ish]

And that's why I keep saying it's an antiquated thought process, because it's like a meek tweet.

[Malcolm]

No comment. But I'll say this. If you heard me say, what's the point of Black History Month? You would interpret it as me saying something's wrong with it because it's me asking, as opposed to a 12 year old asking.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you're more informed.

[Malcolm]

Right. So you would assume if I'm asking, I'm asking it with a point of view already. If Jermaine Dupri is saying, what's the difference between a major and an independent? When you spent your whole life in the music business, since you were this big, literally, I gotta assume you have an opinion on it, that you're trying to communicate through that question.

[Melissa Ford]

And the way he worded it, it almost sounded like he was. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Pause. I don't want you to have no smoke over here. It almost seemed like you were looking down at the people that wanted to be independent.

[Ish]

That was a logical way to perceive what he said.

[Melissa Ford]

It's like, yo, y'all want a lot of. Y'all want the same thing that you would want being on a major.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, guess who's not getting a Jermaine Dupree beat?

[Melissa Ford]

Not a rapper.

[Joe Budden]

And Mel and all, I don't want it. You and me.

[Ish]

But you put a tweet like that out into the ether, not everybody's going to agree with you. It's going to create discourse and it's going to create conversation.

[Parks]

I thought the tweet was engagement firm to begin with.

[Ish]

And you said that I was getting ready to say.

[Melissa Ford]

And people know that what you just said, you know, if I put a tweet out, what it's going to do?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, I know I could create a conversation. Even if it's just boredom or whatever, I know I could create a conversation off this.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

All of that's true. But to Mel's earlier point, it really could just be be him speaking from his privilege, like we've already stated. And that's not to say that he's never worked independent projects, never worked with independent artists. I'm clear who Jermaine Dupri is for sure, but his story is not everyone's story. It's not most of our story. It certainly was not my story and my experience in dealing with major labels. And I think there's more of me than there are of him, for sure.

[Ish]

Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

So when you start putting options in front of people's face and they start to go get educated about what they are willing to deal with, when independents are trying to figure out how they can maximize their audience. Yeah. Some of the things you hear independently sound a lot more favorable to the artist than the typical. Because I'm a dinosaur now, too. Typical major label experience. Yeah.

[Parks]

I'm not gonna lie to my experience being basically B2B, business to business in music. I'm still waiting on mad checks from major labels from months, some cases years, independence. It might be less money, but I get paid before the show.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's why I also said, I think part of his tweet, I could see if he spoke. Let's say he spoke to five artists that he was just trying to work with or something.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, what you want? You know, what type of situation you looking for. And they all speaking, nah, I want to be independent. I don't want X, Y and Z. I could see him now taking that question to say, yo, why all y'all want to be independent? Like, when we first addressed it, I said, it sounds like it might have a little bit of frustration in it, is I can't get no artists that I'm trying to sign because all y'all want to be independent now. Everybody. A lot of people woke up. They're not falling for that music industry gaffel no more. Some still are. But a lot of people got this information out here realizing, hey, I'm not gonna sign a bad deal. I'll wait.

[Malcolm]

Well, that's what was interesting to me. He said, I know people have Gotten this deal. He didn't say, I sign people to that kind of deal. Like on Social. Was he giving people the independent label kind of deals at so so Def?

[Melissa Ford]

Was he doing that independent label?

[Malcolm]

What I'm saying is he's saying there are majors that get all the good stuff that independents get. You can get it on a major. And I'm saying, well, he had a label, right? He didn't say, I'm giving those deals out. Cause then that would make sense to me. Like, why y'all going over there? I can give y'all that here. He said, I know people who got that. So it doesn't sound like he's giving them out either.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. You're never no beat for you, neither.

[Malcolm]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, sorry. There goes my rap career. Darn it.

[Malcolm]

That Funktify remix that he had.

[Ish]

Used it as a bed underneath your night school shit, right?

[Joe Budden]

If you guys want to hear what Jermaine Dupree had to say about it, you can go on YouTube. There are entire clips of him explaining his thought process. I don't want to just one side this thing. Yeah, please, by all means, go check out what he had to say about it. But, yeah, I'm out of there. I might need to be one day.

[Malcolm]

Sorry.

[Melissa Ford]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

That's my man.

[Malcolm]

But I love Jermaine Dupree.

[Ish]

Yeah. I mean, like, nobody's disputing his legendary status in the game. It's just, you know, sometimes not even a little bit. Not even a little bit.

[Melissa Ford]

Not at all.

[Ish]

Not even a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

Disturber disagree with something he said. That's it.

[Ish]

People disagree with me all goddamn day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, no, no. I'm talking.

[Melissa Ford]

Joe, get some started.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Shout out to Jermaine Dupri. Come on. What else can we fight about? Let's not recap somebody doing a recap of our recap of what they said. Come on. What can we fight about? Let's fight about doi.

[Melissa Ford]

I was just gonna raise the.

[Parks]

Friend of the show.

[Ish]

Friend of the show.

[Malcolm]

I love doji.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I don't know now.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shit.

[Malcolm]

I stand with Dochi first.

[Ish]

I still. I have to acknowledge, she was in Paris Fashion Week. Holy shit. Whoever her team is, she won. She won. She won. She won. She won. Hands down. She was that girl at Paris Fashion Week. Just had to say that, too.

[Joe Budden]

Did you see Ice Spice leaving the Off White event.

[Ish]

No. Why? Why did she leave?

[Joe Budden]

No, it was over. She was leaving the event draped in some off white. However, you didn't see it, so how could you say who won?

[Melissa Ford]

Because that would kind of speak to it.

[Ish]

Yeah, because I didn't see it. Because. Because everybody was posting Dochi because she won Paris Fashion.

[Parks]

She looked great.

[Ish]

Amazing.

[Parks]

I expected that was the joke.

[Melissa Ford]

You're never gonna get Ice Spice feature.

[Malcolm]

That's true.

[Ish]

I know you're looking forward to that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Joe Button featuring Ice Spice.

[Parks]

That was another reverse card. I want to just point that out.

[Joe Budden]

Back to Doshi.

[Melissa Ford]

So she was doing. It's like a Hot Ones challenge.

[Ish]

Hot Ones, Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And she was asked.

[Joe Budden]

She did Hot Ones without Sean.

[Parks]

Yeah, They've been doing that lately, though.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad at it. That was. That was Ms. Milan Shout out to Ms. Milan.

[Parks]

They did it with sizzling them for. And Kiki for that movie as well. The same format. The same format.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, got it. Put you with somebody that you're.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, got it, Got it. All right, so she did Hot Ones without showing her and Ms. Milan shout.

[Melissa Ford]

Out to Ms. Milan, friend of the show. And she was asked a question about what her. What would her red flag be? And she wrote it, answer down. And she said, if the guy says he's a straight man, that's a red flag. And everybody was just up in arms agenda.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Parks]

It'S exhausting.

[Melissa Ford]

It was. So what do y'all gotta say about it?

[Malcolm]

I stand with Dochi on that. You know what I mean? Not in the sense that I think.

[Parks]

You don't like straight men either.

[Malcolm]

Not my thing. Yeah. Not my thing. No. She's entitled to have a flag for herself.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Malcolm]

And I felt like if she said, like, fuck all straight men, that's different. Right. I felt like she was saying this is a red flag for me. And based on her experiences also, she's dated guys who are bi.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

She's got a type.

[Ish]

And from what I understand, she herself is pretty sexually fluid.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. So if that's. If that's your bag and those type of guys you want as well, then, yeah, that might be a flag for her.

[Ish]

What was some of the criticism?

[Joe Budden]

All right. I just want to say if you guys continue down this route, I'm going to be against Doshi.

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead. I'm on Doshi.

[Joe Budden]

If y'all continue to be so adamant in your.

[Parks]

You got a 1v4 coming up. I think I'm on Doshi side, too.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm on her side.

[Malcolm]

We all with Doshi.

[Joe Budden]

I got to do it now. I gotta do it. I gotta do it.

[Melissa Ford]

The criticisms, Mel and. And I had some, like, private conversations about it. It was the. The choosing of the word red flag.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

And a lot of people feel like red flag doesn't.

[Joe Budden]

Women don't know what red flag means.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, that's really what it bought down.

[Ish]

That is a broad statement.

[Melissa Ford]

But that's. That's what. That's what a lot of. No, no, that's what a lot of the criticism came from because people were saying red flag means danger. So you're saying straight men are a danger.

[Malcolm]

This is like a red flag mean, though.

[Parks]

Well, I don't think it does either.

[Ish]

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily.

[Malcolm]

A red flag is like just a sign that something is. Is concerning. That'd be danger. Like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, knock it. Hold on.

[Malcolm]

No, no. Like, like. Like if you go to a job interview, you show up an hour late. That's a red flag.

[Melissa Ford]

The definition. Because I. I had this conversation and I was with you. A red flag is used as a.

[Malcolm]

Warning of danger, but not physical danger is what I'm saying. For example, danger.

[Melissa Ford]

It didn't say physical.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

But of some danger.

[Joe Budden]

So back to my point. This is a remix, not to bring it up again, of that stupid fucking bear question.

[Melissa Ford]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

It is.

[Melissa Ford]

It kind of is.

[Joe Budden]

This is a remix of that one. If Dochi is fluid, which she is, to my knowledge, she don't date straight men. So if you're asking somebody what is a red flag in the people that you date, and you respond with people that you don't date, then what is the point of that other than to be divisive and to offend because you try or to warrant some type of attention?

[Melissa Ford]

And this is where I took her side. I just think it was misinterpreted. I think she didn't. I think she treated red flag as. What is something you see that makes you say, oh, no, I'm good.

[Ish]

Yeah, exactly.

[Malcolm]

That's how people use red flag.

[Melissa Ford]

So to her. So let me. So let's say, though, she like to do some things with her dude that a straight man might not be okay with. Like, use your imagination.

[Joe Budden]

Don't you do it. But we don't even have to do that. She. She, allegedly. Because I can't speak to knowing nobody. Sex business. Don't date straight men.

[Malcolm]

Cool.

[Melissa Ford]

What I'm saying is she might have.

[Joe Budden]

Even said that up here.

[Parks]

I feel like she did.

[Joe Budden]

She did.

[Melissa Ford]

She did something like that.

[Joe Budden]

So Then what the fuck is she talking about straight men for?

[Melissa Ford]

Because if she is, which is fine. If she's on a date with a guy.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on, let me land first. Which is fucked up, because, you know, Mark and people speak a lot about representation and how it's important to be represented in certain spaces. So when we have Dochi up here and when we see Dochi getting these awards and when we see her winning, like, straight black men feel represented also. Like, they could. They can identify with that.

[Melissa Ford]

That's fine. We still feel represented.

[Joe Budden]

So there's really no point in. Yo, whoever is carrying a baton for you, let them carry the baton.

[Ish]

So you say she's.

[Malcolm]

You said she.

[Joe Budden]

Whether they. Whether they fucking Asian, whether they gay, whether they transgender, there's no reason to pinpoint anybody who not only you're representing, but who's carrying the baton for you. So you feel it and say, red flag danger.

[Ish]

So you feel like. You feel like that was her alienating a certain portion of her fan base just by saying something like that.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I think it's blown out of proportion, though. I absolutely, honestly, I think, though she was just literally saying, like, if she's on the first date with a guy and the guy says, or she just meets a guy, get a guy number or something, and y'all get to talking, and he. He lets her know he's a straight man, I'm good.

[Parks]

I also think the show is especially.

[Melissa Ford]

And I don't think there's nothing wrong with that. I think that's the type of nigga she like.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying. I think there's a lot of performance.

[Joe Budden]

Every excuse. She don't know what red flag mean. She's joking. And what's the other one y'all said?

[Malcolm]

See, I'm saying I do think she know red flag mean. I think she's using the way most people use it. I think that. I think that she has a type. And I think it's okay to say that. When I meet somebody who's not that thing, that's a flag for me, for example.

[Joe Budden]

But wait, that's exactly where we're having the disagreement here, right? If somebody asks me, hey, what's a red flag for you? And you're dating, And I say, gay.

[Malcolm]

Women, I get you. Here's.

[Joe Budden]

Then I can't act fucking. I can't act surprised when the gay women say, wait, wait, wait, no, but here's the difference.

[Parks]

But it could be a red flag for you.

[Malcolm]

What'd you say? I see his Point for you. It wouldn't be a red flag if.

[Parks]

She doesn't like men.

[Joe Budden]

That's not the point.

[Malcolm]

I get what he's saying. He's saying obviously if this whole sort is something you don't deal with, then saying that they're a red flag just alienates them. Cause that's not your type. I mean, that's not your thing. I hear that. What I'm saying is I don't operate from the premise that she doesn't date any straight men. I think based on all the interviews I've seen, she dates men and she does not have a problem dating bisexual men. And I think that there's a certain thing she wants in men, emotionally, physically, sexually, whatever that she tends to find in men who are not straight. And so the red flag for her comes when she meets a dude who's straight.

[Joe Budden]

I would like somebody who's potentially the female rapper that's gonna fucking carry the next however many years with all the success and she's extremely talented to not be on some, hey, let's divide the people and, and straight man of the red flag and yada yada.

[Ish]

I do not think that, that, I do not think that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that, but that is how you. That is how it came off.

[Malcolm]

Okay, so Joe, Joe, Joe, if you like threesomes all the time, all you wanted was threesomes, right? Whoever you with, they gotta be down with threesomes, right? And somebody said, what's a red flag for you? And you said. And they said a straight girl, would that be alienating straight women? You want a girl who's bisexual with the shits? Yeah, it's no different.

[Ish]

It's the same thing.

[Melissa Ford]

It's the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I don't see it that way at all.

[Malcolm]

All we did was switch the gender.

[Joe Budden]

I don't see it that way at all.

[Ish]

Then that's all you gotta do sometimes for it to. Not exactly for it to just suddenly reverse.

[Joe Budden]

I don't see it that way at all. And again, I'm not making a big deal out of this, but it became a big deal because. Yeah, that's because the people.

[Melissa Ford]

It became a big deal because the people that did not fit her type preference, whatever you wanna call it, were the ones offended age old Twitterism. And that's always what happens. You can sit there and say, I don't say, I don't like short men, you know, who gonna get mad short men. Even if they don't like her, right? Even if they don't give A. Even if they were never checking for her, they're mad because they're, they're, they're alienated out of something they never wanted.

[Malcolm]

She seems to get a particular rise out of people on Twitter too, for.

[Melissa Ford]

Some reason, because, well, a lot of it ties back to who she's with.

[Malcolm]

The label, the TDE part. Okay, gotcha.

[Melissa Ford]

So there's that going on and then there's, you know, people can't understand and I'm, I'm tired of the whole industry plant thing. Yo do's been working for years. Like an industry play is somebody that popped up yesterday that nobody knew who they were and they're getting every look in the world and like she's been working.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck, don't make me be on the other side of this one.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't be on the other side of it.

[Ish]

And then at the same time, I'm quick to offer somebody grace when they are have newly been thrust into like the upper echelon of fame. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not always going to have, you know, to say the right thing. You're not a fucking robot. You know what I'm saying? So you're gonna say something and you're being cheeky and facetious and then all of a sudden the Internet's coming after you and you're like, wait, hold on one second here. I just like a lot of butt play with, you know, in my sex life. And straight guys tend not to fucking like that. That's why it's a red flag for me because I really like butt.

[Parks]

I also imagine as bisexuals, being with other bisexuals is probably a little easier because you can understand each other's that shit.

[Ish]

That's exactly. I think that that was what she was leading to. And this, this was just like a really shortcut in terms of explaining that that is her preference.

[Malcolm]

Cause like you said, it's a playful show and she didn't wanna get into all the specifics about butt play.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's not true. Cause Ms. Milan said. Oh, I was gonna say men for you. So it ain't just they both sitting there jokey, jokey. It's a playful show. It's no, me and my fucking bestie are like minded when it comes to this area at least. Cause Ms. Milan was supposed to guess for her. So yeah, my best friend knows where I stand on this. And I would have loved to have heard the actual answer to the question, hey, what is a red flag in the people that you date? That was the first Thing I asked her when she came here, hey, that verse on the album where you were dating the bisexual dude and then you went through his phone and saw that he was with her. That's intriguing.

[Melissa Ford]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

You don't need to insert straight. Straight guys in this. Just be intriguing. But there is a thing. There is a thing. I'm not jumping on it. Cause it's gonna make me seem like one of them niggas that I'm not. But there is a thing of straight men feeling like there's the erasure of them from television and from yada, yada, yada. That is a thing. It's not a Joe Button thing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it's a thing, Dan.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that I'm enforcing that because what.

[Malcolm]

Because it's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

But, I mean, part of communication is knowing how you come off. Sure. That.

[Malcolm]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Part of communication is know how you come off.

[Malcolm]

I'm just saying straight males.

[Joe Budden]

I end with that.

[Malcolm]

Fair enough. I'll leave it there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I end with that.

[Parks]

The old preference argument. That's it really, really gets people hot.

[Malcolm]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

See, I'm not looking at it like a preference argument. Maybe that's my problem.

[Melissa Ford]

That's all I saw with this.

[Joe Budden]

You can't argue with nobody about their preferences. Yes.

[Malcolm]

I think that's all she was saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, you can. They do it every single day.

[Malcolm]

That's called podcasting.

[Joe Budden]

But how you handle things that fall outside of your preferences says something true.

[Melissa Ford]

You can have a preference as long. This is what I learned. Y'all all know me. Y'all getting, you know. But they know me. Y'all know I have a preference and what I've learned. And it took me years to grasp it fully, but pause to. You can have your preference. You don't have to put down what's not your preference in order to have your preference.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

And I don't think she was doing it exactly. I don't think that's what she was doing.

[Joe Budden]

And I guess that's the part that's open for interpretation.

[Malcolm]

Yes. Yeah, there we go.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

All right. That wasn't the worst Gucci argument. I feel like I failed then.

[Melissa Ford]

And shout out to Dolce. She was just, what, Billboards woman of the year.

[Joe Budden]

That's the part that makes people feel a little planish.

[Ish]

Why? She had a incredible year. Yeah, it was a. I don't think.

[Parks]

People understand the difference between, like, worked hard and now. Are Getting breaking, reaping the benefits of your hard work.

[Ish]

But we're literally seeing videos of her four years ago, manifesting the success that she has right now, sitting in her room, like, you know what I'm saying? Just hoping against hope that this pans out for her.

[Parks]

You think she's a player, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

I think, yeah. I think it's a trap.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not a trap.

[Parks]

Absolutely a trap.

[Joe Budden]

It's a trap. It's a trap. And I can't fall in a trap. Cause like I said, I see her and it still represents me. I'm a black man. So why would you want to. Even if you felt like that, why would you want to say that? I'm not. That's not how I move. And I don't think she's a plant. But to the people that think she's a plant, it's very easy to see why they think she's a plant. They don't feel as though I'm not speaking. I'm speaking for them. They don't feel as though what's happening with her has much to do with the impact from her album.

[Malcolm]

That's it.

[Ish]

I think that's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

They don't feel like the music is the thing that's making all of these. All of these looks and looks and awards and the accolades. I ain't gonna lie. My mom sent me a clip last night of. Oh, no. She sent me a clip of Lauryn Hill at Roberta Flack's funeral. But before that, it was a picture of Dolce doing doo wop with Lauryn Hill. And I don't think she's a plant. And said to myself, oh, that's exactly what I wanted to see. Dochi doing doo wop with Lauryn Hill. Like, come on, y'all. Like, come on.

[Malcolm]

I think that's just. I think that's Lauryn blessing her. Good.

[Ish]

Very much so.

[Joe Budden]

Good. I'm only talking about how things appear.

[Malcolm]

Mark, look, I'm with you.

[Melissa Ford]

Has she done that to anybody else?

[Ish]

Lauren.

[Malcolm]

Nikki kind of bowed before her and, you know, gave her her love and praise, and she showed love back. This is the first time I've seen her sort of outreach to how she done that. Yeah. Maybe it's the first time she thinks somebody should take the torch. Or maybe Lauren's like, all right, it's probably time for me to pass the torch. Since the second album ain't come.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Malcolm]

You know, I could respect that. I don't know. I feel like in every industry I've ever been in or seen. When someone is successful, one, it's always from a grind that people didn't see. And then the people who didn't get it then say, that person's a plant. I remember when Ta Nehisi Coates became a big star or Melissa Harris Perry on tv, Cornel west was like, they're a liberal plant. Right. I'm not even joking. Right. When I was an activist in movements, whenever somebody got too close to the leader, they're an agent. Right. It's like every movement, every organization, when people don't succeed. So everybody looking around says, they must have got there cause they cheated. They're a secret, Mason. They're part of a secret. We do that with everything we think anybody who's successful and not us.

[Melissa Ford]

Illuminati.

[Malcolm]

Illuminati. That's what I was trying to say.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Thank you. Everybody got there the wrong way.

[Parks]

This is hate.

[Malcolm]

This is. Hey, everybody got there the wrong way except you.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

Because you ain't get there yet.

[Malcolm]

Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

That's why.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, well.

[Joe Budden]

And there's people that believe in the music industry button, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, I think we all. I believe in the music industry button.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

But I also think that you have to work. The plants don't have to work to get them to push the button.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Melissa Ford]

They're chosen and the button is pushed. I think those who worked and worked.

[Joe Budden]

And worked, and then the button can make things look planish.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. But that's if you don't pay attention, if you didn't see anything beforehand. So I. I'm not mad at nobody that says, though, she's a plant, because they might not have seen the previous work, but that's where people can come in and inform you, no, this girl's been working.

[Ish]

Yeah. And you see that.

[Melissa Ford]

This ain't her first mixtape. This ain't her first.

[Joe Budden]

None of this grinding.

[Ish]

And you see the culmination of all of that hard work, specifically over the course of this last year. Like her tiny desk, that was one of the best of 2024. Like, that was fire. Her performance of the Grammys, her winning best Rap album. Like, all of this is just. It's part and parcel with all of the work that she has put in. You don't just get to that level of talent just by fucking accident. It's hard.

[Joe Budden]

That don't really be. Oh, my God, y'all. Oh, man.

[Malcolm]

Wiz, Flip Joe, help me understand.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to take. I'm not taking the other side in all of this. However, we still talking music industry. In the music industry, the hard work is never. Hard work is not what culminates the stardom.

[Melissa Ford]

No, right. That's like your number one.

[Joe Budden]

It's great that you do it. That's awesome. That's like the bars in hell. All right. Hard, hard work. But it's millions and millions. It's back to me telling Jermaine Dupree there's more me than there is of him. There's millions of people that worked hard, for sure, and are talented that fall into the black hole.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Correct.

[Parks]

So it's a rare meeting where works hard and very talented comes together.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You're saying what I'm saying, I think.

[Parks]

Oh, okay. Carry on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm saying that work hard and have all the talent in the world fall by the wayside, you know, he.

[Melissa Ford]

Said, no, everybody that work hard don't have all.

[Malcolm]

He said that black hole is filled. People who didn't do both.

[Melissa Ford]

Not talented.

[Parks]

And then there's the third leg of sticking with it. And though the intersection of those three things is rare, but I feel like.

[Malcolm]

The hip hop underground is filled with people who work they ass off, grind, got a lot of talent, and never make it big. And they do that shit for 30 years.

[Parks]

Define make it big.

[Malcolm]

They never get out of work in Joe's Pub. No disrespect to Joe's Pub, but I'm saying if your goal is to be, you know, major label filling stages, you never get the. You know what I mean? That's their grind. Like, I think there's a lot of people, like Joe said, who are super talented and work really hard and stick to it. I mean, how many musicians we know always playing local spots, never blow up, bands never make.

[Parks]

I mean, I think this goes back to the independent. This goes back to the JD Conversation to some degree. Cause some people choose to do that.

[Malcolm]

Don'T want that shit.

[Melissa Ford]

And not just that, some people just never were. They didn't get the right visibility, they weren't seen by the right person.

[Malcolm]

That's what I'm saying.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what makes you a plant, though. You get what I'm saying? You could be working hard, working hard, working hard. And then the CEO of such and such just happened to be having lunch at the spot where you playing a guitar. Like, oh, shit, this dude is ill.

[Malcolm]

He's a beast.

[Melissa Ford]

And that meeting changes your life.

[Malcolm]

Well, can y'all explain something? Who is an example of a plant? Cause maybe then maybe I don't have What's a clear, indisputable example of a plant? Plant.

[Melissa Ford]

See, because then I could compare names.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. Like, who would be. Who would we say is a plant?

[Melissa Ford]

I say Lil Nas X is a plant.

[Malcolm]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

I say, what's. What's Million Dollar Baby dude?

[Parks]

Tell me, Richard, what makes.

[Melissa Ford]

When I say those people that are just. You literally popped up overnight with us with a hit.

[Malcolm]

And that's not.

[Melissa Ford]

Because number one. You don't get number one. You don't get to top of the charts without backing from. From somewhere.

[Malcolm]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

You're not gonna just. That's back to the hard work and talent thing. That's not getting you number one.

[Malcolm]

So it's Justin Bieber playing.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he was.

[Malcolm]

I mean, because I'm like, if somebody's an Internet sensation and then the label says, you know what? This dude just got 50 million. Prodigy, you know, I mean, they got all the stuff. I'm gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Internet sensation doesn't speak to talent, but.

[Malcolm]

That'S what I said. So the Lil Nas X piece of it is. Is he a plant or is he somebody who did. They said, look, he's. Can create an audience. Let's escalate him to the top.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what a plant would be, though.

[Malcolm]

Then where's the hard work?

[Melissa Ford]

Where's the. Where's the grind?

[Malcolm]

Got you. So if you make it to the top too fast, you're a plant.

[Melissa Ford]

If I don't see the hard work, if I don't see the grind that you've been actively. You know, if you drop a record today and it goes viral or whatever, I'm not. Not bad at that.

[Malcolm]

Like, Langelo Ball is not a plant to you.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he's not a player, but he got it. He got a viral hit and then.

[Malcolm]

He got a big deal. That's what I'm saying. But where's the grind?

[Melissa Ford]

Where's. Do you see him at on the COVID of. Do you see him on the award shows? Do you see him at what, top of the charts? You don't see those things.

[Malcolm]

Got you even. I mean, it's kind of.

[Joe Budden]

That's where I said, playing the majors. Try to make some look like it's happening organically. And it's not.

[Malcolm]

Okay. Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Viral.

[Joe Budden]

The ball Brother. Brother that we talking about here had a song independently that made noise for two weeks, and then the labels got involved and you could see their push.

[Parks]

That one's also a little different because he had an audience, so it's a little easier.

[Melissa Ford]

He had a name. They was gonna check it Anyway, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Not giving you my plant list because all hell would break loose.

[Malcolm]

I was trying.

[Joe Budden]

That was nice what he did. Lil Nas X and. Yeah.

[Parks]

The safe ones.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't jump out the window. It's some other ones.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

I was being messy.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no, it's some other ones.

[Parks]

Absolutely is.

[Malcolm]

What do they rhyme with?

[Melissa Ford]

Nope. You'd have got me three years ago.

[Malcolm]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

I tried cause the problem. And I'm cool with some of the niggas that's be signing plants. So even if you don't fuck with the plant, it's like, like, my man, go ahead. Go ahead and get your off. Goddamn it. Is Christina Aguilera Latin?

[Malcolm]

She's.

[Parks]

I think so. I think she has. Yeah, I think maybe her dad or something like that is.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't know. She's a white girl.

[Parks]

Poquito. Yeah, poquito.

[Joe Budden]

That was that only question.

[Malcolm]

That was hella random.

[Parks]

Extremely random. Inspired.

[Joe Budden]

That something I saw on the Internet. It was one of our old videos. And they was like, why didn't we. Why didn't we call her out for appropriating back in the day? And in the comments, they was like, she's Latin. I was like, wait, she is. I don't fucking know what her father is.

[Parks]

Ecuadorian.

[Malcolm]

Ecuadorian.

[Ish]

There we go.

[Malcolm]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's one of those. She was the first one to grow up in a house without her dad and then use his equity in the music business. That's a thing now. I never seen dads get so much love like they getting out. Hey, my dad. My dad was mixed. And he was mixed race and he was African. He was holy. They gotta stop that.

[Melissa Ford]

And to answer that person's question, because nobody gave a. About appropriation back then, unfortunately. That's some new.

[Ish]

That's true. That's the absolute Gwen Stefani walking around.

[Melissa Ford]

Nobody cared. Are you dope? Can you sing? Can you rap? Can you. Whatever? All right. That's all we cared about back then.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going Stefani days. Bring him back.

[Parks]

Gwen still looks good too.

[Malcolm]

I love. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Gwen Stefani, Nelly Fatardo, all that. Nelly Fatarno went crazy, right? Huh?

[Malcolm]

I ain't heard from her.

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Ish]

She's still performing? Yes, she's still performing.

[Melissa Ford]

Did she go crazy?

[Ish]

No. She had a child. She went through.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you not answering my question? Purposely?

[Ish]

She did not go crazy.

[Joe Budden]

She went.

[Ish]

She was public about. About the post. Postpartum that she experienced after childbirth. And also she has, you know, had Insecurities with her physical appearance as a result. And so the answer she did not do.

[Joe Budden]

Melly Furtado is the one that went crazy a little bit.

[Melissa Ford]

She had a mental breakdown on stage.

[Malcolm]

She had a nervous breakdown. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just basing this off some reels of her I seen when she was. She was acting like Tory Lane's dad. I seen. I seen them reals because I wrote down in my notes one day, hey, why won't nobody tell Nelly Furtado to shut the fuck up?

[Malcolm]

I think she was going through postpartum, though.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Malcolm]

She was.

[Ish]

She was on the road History month.

[Malcolm]

She was on the road in 07.

[Ish]

Yes, it is March.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's what it is.

[Malcolm]

Every March for, like, 30 years.

[Joe Budden]

They didn't give a vote. Hey, put the women month right behind the. Hey, let's get both them groups to out the way early before the weather brings. We can enjoy the spring. All right.

[Malcolm]

Hope she's doing better. Hope she's doing better.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I hope she's doing good work.

[Parks]

She has some slaps.

[Malcolm]

She did okay.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, so I remember that many.

[Malcolm]

Can I ask y'all the boat question? Can I ask the boat question?

[Joe Budden]

Sure, you can.

[Malcolm]

So the Internet last week was all.

[Ish]

Interneting.

[Malcolm]

Interneting for sure. And people were outraged because people asked the boat question. The question was, if you are in a boat with your husband, wife, significant other, and your child a baby, how old?

[Ish]

Were they specific about it being a baby? Like, newborn baby? Or like, what's the.

[Malcolm]

I think what I saw was 10 months, but I. Oh, fuck.

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead.

[Malcolm]

But I'll double check that. But let's just assume that was 10 months month old baby, and you can only save one. Who do you save Now? The question itself got people going, but what got people really going was this woman in particular who made a video saying we could make another baby. I chose that man. He's the head of my household. He is my king.

[Parks]

I saw this. I saw this.

[Malcolm]

I'm choosing him. We'll just make another baby. And people said she got biblical on it, too. Oh, she got real biblical on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She hit some thou shalt nots. And the next thing I know.

[Ish]

So the title. Was she black?

[Malcolm]

Of course she was.

[Joe Budden]

She was black. Yeah, got it.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. And so people were like, how dare you?

[Joe Budden]

Well, what's the outrage?

[Malcolm]

How you gonna let your baby drown for this, nigga?

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, y'all answer.

[Parks]

I don't have no kids.

[Ish]

Same. We're out of this.

[Melissa Ford]

10 months, though. I don't even really know the baby like that. 10 months. I think my daughter might have had it. Was she walking like.

[Malcolm]

What if the answer was two? What if it was two? What if it was right now?

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no, no, no. Right now it's different.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Malcolm]

You girl gotta go.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, she gotta go. Sorry, baby. I love you.

[Parks]

Why you can't say Both supposed to.

[Melissa Ford]

Say, I'll leave and then they survive.

[Malcolm]

Actually, I was thinking, like, I really can't swim. I might just have to go for myself just to be extra safe. Not bringing nobody. I bring his life. Jack it. No, I don't think there's a wrong answer. I don't think there's a wrong answer. It would be hard for me to look at an innocent child and. And leave them know I feel like.

[Melissa Ford]

Do it every day.

[Malcolm]

That's. Yeah. But they leave in the crib to.

[Joe Budden]

Say, why, why, why you looking back? That's the trick for the.

[Melissa Ford]

I'll be right back.

[Joe Budden]

Don't look him in the. The fuck.

[Malcolm]

Oh, shit. I don't see me leaving no baby. I love my wife. I probably would take the. I would take the baby. I feel like I could. Yeah, I mean, you could. You can't make another person. So whoever. You can't replace either of them. But I'll probably take the baby.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you can.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't make another baby.

[Malcolm]

No, I mean, you can't make that person just like you.

[Joe Budden]

Like you might make a better person.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't even know, man.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga, you seen the dating scene.

[Parks]

And if the baby's ill like that, it'll find a way.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Melissa Ford]

Make it through the struggle.

[Malcolm]

Michael Phelps would have made it happen.

[Melissa Ford]

And maybe. Yeah, babies. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

The baby.

[Malcolm]

I think an adult had a better chance of swimming than a 10 month old, right?

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, y'all crazy. No, you throw a baby in the.

[Ish]

Water, they just naturally just like kind of like rotate their body.

[Malcolm]

Just told us last week he almost died when somebody threw him in.

[Ish]

He was like 5 or something.

[Melissa Ford]

My baby.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Babies can swim.

[Joe Budden]

And we gonna find out.

[Malcolm]

So, Joe, I'm hearing you say a 10 month old.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, please. Nigga, I'm keeping my wife. Facts. Keep my wife. And we gonna fuck tonight in the name of the baby. Oh, oh, little Derek. Oh, fuck. Damn.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, we're gonna play some quick. We'll play some quick.

[Joe Budden]

Quick.

[Melissa Ford]

Real fast, real fast.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna be a night break.

[Melissa Ford]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I was looking at my wife. Hey. This new baby has been beating her ass. We did need a break. Anyway, she needed a little ten month break postpartum. All types of shit going on. Yeah, that baby. That baby is getting punted with the ocean.

[Parks]

So many babies available for adoption that need a good home.

[Malcolm]

I'm not gonna pick up another one.

[Melissa Ford]

That baby might get a gronk spike out of me.

[Malcolm]

So at what age does the answer change? Does it change to 2? This needs a 3 for you or.

[Joe Budden]

If he 2, then you deal with it like a man. You outta here if you're two.

[Malcolm]

So you're just taking your wife every time.

[Joe Budden]

I just agree with the lady to. Whereas we gonna make another kid. Me and my wife are gonna make.

[Melissa Ford]

Another kid and I'm clipped, see? So I gotta keep mine.

[Malcolm]

I think you got a better chance of finding another wife than you do another baby.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Malcolm]

Yo, bro, I'm just saying you can find another woman that's kinda similar.

[Joe Budden]

I see what Piers Morgan and them be saying. Now that I think about it, they got some points.

[Melissa Ford]

How long you been married again?

[Malcolm]

Like a year and a half together, like. Like a long time.

[Melissa Ford]

It's up out there. When you find the right one, it's up.

[Malcolm]

You know how hard it is to make a baby and the older you get. No, I'm saying how hard is it.

[Joe Budden]

To make a baby? Not you. No, you.

[Malcolm]

I'm saying for. For a lot of people, the older you get, the harder it is. But once you turn 40, your percentage is in a 1%.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Malcolm]

Mark.

[Melissa Ford]

Mark. You got a couple dollars, Mark?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Melissa Ford]

You got a couple dollars?

[Parks]

All the doctors you could be over.

[Melissa Ford]

There checking the boxes off of. Y'all want this? No, no, no. This.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we can't. We can't get a baby. Let's go get a dog. Hey, why I gotta be a baby again?

[Malcolm]

Let's get a cat.

[Parks]

We tried that before. It didn't work out.

[Malcolm]

So. Y'all are terrible people, Mel. What would you choose?

[Joe Budden]

You got.

[Ish]

No, no, I'm sorry. Me and Parks are. We have no kids, so we out this hypothetical.

[Malcolm]

I ain't got no 10 month old.

[Joe Budden]

Mel ain't saving no man. Never.

[Malcolm]

Are you crazy?

[Joe Budden]

Y'all got my girl Mel fucked up if you think she's saving a man.

[Ish]

No, actually that's kind of crazy that you would say that. Cause exactly to Ice's point, how fucked up it is out there, it's. It would be much easy for y'all to find somebody than it is for me.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, Mel, you the man. And Daisy on The boat.

[Joe Budden]

What a victim.

[Malcolm]

Now.

[Melissa Ford]

Now who stays?

[Ish]

I'm not a victim at all.

[Joe Budden]

It's tough being beautiful.

[Ish]

It's called the gift and a curse for a reason. I know you don't know anything about that. Is a man or Daisy. No, no, no. Nope, nope.

[Parks]

No.

[Ish]

Daisy can swim.

[Parks]

Well, not with that dumbass jacket.

[Ish]

Would just be so easy to save. I'll just put her on my head and then, you know, hold on to my man.

[Malcolm]

But if you had to choose between your man and Daisy, though.

[Ish]

God, no. There's no choice.

[Parks]

There's a choice.

[Melissa Ford]

We all. You better choose. With our kids on traumas, don't live.

[Parks]

For so long anyway.

[Malcolm]

All dogs go to heaven, somebody might say. Neither do her men. But, you know, I'm just saying, like, relationship wise, you know what I mean? He could come and go. Daisy's gonna last.

[Melissa Ford]

It'll be fucked up if you leave. If you save the dude and then he break up with you.

[Malcolm]

She wants to save Daisy. She don't want to say it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm mad we even are spending 10 seconds on saving Daisy, man. We don't kill Daisy and go head on about this damn broadcast.

[Parks]

We could probably just throw Daisy too.

[Joe Budden]

They need to stop coming up with all these trick ass questions for men anyway.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, it was for both. It was for everybody. Like, women answered first. The women answered it first. And most of the women took their man. What? Shocked me. I thought women would save their children.

[Ish]

How bad it is out there.

[Malcolm]

Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

No, there's just women out there that love men. I know that. That's shocking.

[Ish]

No, no, don't, don't, don't. No, no, don't keep that narrative up.

[Malcolm]

That's.

[Ish]

That's like really? That's super up. And I will. I will fight you, you know, on the BTS camera. That's bullshit.

[Parks]

No, she didn't even sound inspired when you said that. You didn't sound inspired at all when you said that.

[Ish]

No, I just fucked up.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, wanna bring up more fights? High standards, more shit that everybody out there fighting over. DDG and Halle Bailey.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. DDG's gotta wait for prospects. Sorry, sorry, DD. I was letting you cook in case something really hot came off the press, but nah.

[Parks]

Ddg.

[Joe Budden]

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[Melissa Ford]

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[Joe Budden]

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[Melissa Ford]

I'm getting a couple games. We got OKC and the Celtics.

[Joe Budden]

Okc, give me Shay. Oh, and the Celtics give me Shai and Tatum. Both more than 25.

[Malcolm]

Wait, what'd I say?

[Joe Budden]

Bad about Tatum. Nothing.

[Parks]

Nothing's just been on your ass.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You make sure you clean it up.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Give me Shay and tatum. More than 25.

[Parks]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, we got. We got Knicks in the Blazers.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. A back. Oh, not a back to back, but close enough to a back to back. Nicks and a Blazers.

[Malcolm]

Give me cat.

[Joe Budden]

Give me cat. Give me cat. For more than 22.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, I'm not touching the Blazers, Timberwolves, Nuggets.

[Joe Budden]

I'm such a groupie. My prize picks. Let me know how big of a groupie I am. Give me ant. I want ant, man. Yeah. I'll take Anthony Edwards for more than 23 points. I don't need any more. I'm cool, I'm cool, I'm cool. That did it for me. Don't forget, if you download the app, write this second prize fix and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup. I repeat, if you download prize picks right now and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly after your first $5 lineup. So good luck to all participants out there and run your game. All right? Let's have a little bit of fun. The relay girl in Virginia.

[Parks]

I don't know nothing about this, and this is my favorite time of the podcast.

[Joe Budden]

This is awesome. Parks.

[Malcolm]

You gotta see this, though.

[Ish]

You have to see it. You have to see it.

[Melissa Ford]

Somebody sent a clip real quick.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So it was a relay, you know, relay race. You run around, you pass the baton to the next runner.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Melissa Ford]

So young lady's running and the girl coming up behind her just took the.

[Ish]

Baton and cold cocked her right in the back of the motherfucking head.

[Joe Budden]

Rock.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

I'm seeing right in the fucking noggins. Right in the head.

[Ish]

But now she's being interviewed.

[Joe Budden]

She caught a concussion. She dropped out of the relay race. That was the funniest part. Seeing her flail off to the side.

[Melissa Ford]

Imagine you running, somebody just knock you upside Your head?

[Joe Budden]

Nah. That looked like the Death and Temple run. Like when you fall off the cliff. It's like, hey, she wasn't in the race no more.

[Malcolm]

Nah.

[Joe Budden]

And this is a high school relay race, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that was some more.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord. Wait. And then to make. To add insult to injury, no pun. Then she does an interview.

[Malcolm]

Oh, here's the quote. Nobody is going to believe me because I can admit from the video, it does look purposeful, but I know my intentions and I would never hit anybody on purpose. Then she said after a couple of times hitting her, my baton got stuck behind her back like this and it rolled up her back. I lost my balance when I pumped my arms again and she got hit.

[Ish]

That doesn't even seem physiologically possible to.

[Malcolm]

Accidentally, at full speed, bust somebody in the head three or four times with a baton.

[Melissa Ford]

Nigga lying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she rocked, shorty.

[Melissa Ford]

So you're physically hurt, but you're not thinking of my mental right? They're going off of one angle. Just the attacker all the time got stuck behind her back like this and.

[Joe Budden]

It rolled up her back.

[Melissa Ford]

I lost my balance and when I.

[Joe Budden]

Pumped my arms again, she got hit.

[Melissa Ford]

I know my intentions and I would never hit somebody on purpose. They're assuming my character, calling me ghetto racist, slurs, death threats. All of this just because of a 9 second video.

[Joe Budden]

I am here to take up for the attacker.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, what?

[Ish]

He's being a disturbance.

[Joe Budden]

Clearly she blacked out for a second. That happens sometimes. There's a five to six, seven second lapse in time that you can't account for. Or sometimes you feel strong in your fucking bullshit and you do it. And it take for you to go back to the dressing room, see the footage and say I was wild. Okay, that was me. And I've kind of got some experience with this type of stuff. So I'm here to tell you the truth about sleepwalking, about what really happened. She was sleep running. No, no, no, no, no, no. But I'm here to tell you the truth. As someone that comes from the hood, I can tell this attacker girl, this is what happened. The attacker girl asked her to do some shit right before this race. Whatever we attacking this girl for, it just happened two minutes ago, 90 seconds ago. So we was tying our shoes, getting ready to go out there, and the attacker girl must have said something like, hey, girl, can you pass me a water? And the girl was like, bitch, no, fuck you. I was like, oh, oh, okay. Okay, oh, okay. Yeah. The attacker girl asked us something simple like, hey, girl, Mama Tom right over there. You think you throw it to me real quick and the bitch says something slick out the mouth like we wasn't about to race, and now I'm attacking you. Bow. Boop. Bow, bow, bow, bow. Fuck a mother. Yeah, don't talk slick to me. Two minutes ago, if I'm going to be running behind you with the baton, able to clock your dumb ass upside the head.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

You know how many times.

[Ish]

Hypothetical.

[Joe Budden]

You know how many times we've been talking to somebody out in the world and they said something stupid and you thought to yourself, if only I had a baton. A little metal 3 to 5 inch metal object right now. Ah, slam this lady inside her fucking ass. She just so happened to have it. So I don't think we should be killing her for having it. I don't.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't even killing her for that. I'm killing her for the response. Yo, what about my mental? And it just looked like that from the video. No, my nigga, we saw the video. You should go watch the video.

[Parks]

Yeah, I just watched the video. It looks pretty.

[Melissa Ford]

I think she should go watch the video.

[Parks]

That looks intentional.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, show me the video from right before I clocked you.

[Melissa Ford]

Own it, though.

[Joe Budden]

Show me the video from right before I bust your stupid ass upside the head. That's gonna tell the story. We was in line at the water fountain. You stayed there for 10 minutes. I said, yo, can I get something to drink? You said, something slick. All right, bitch, now you bust up bow.

[Melissa Ford]

This high school you said, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

This shit started over Instagram.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Or that.

[Melissa Ford]

You know how these niggas give it up, right? Okay, I'm gonna see her.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, the problem. This is the problem. Y'all kids out there today are too soft. I come from Nancy Kerrigan, nigga.

[Ish]

Yes, that's.

[Malcolm]

Hold up, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

You know where I come from, nigga? The ice skate in the Olympics.

[Parks]

This is just a regular high school track meet.

[Melissa Ford]

Gold medals on the line.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't nothing but a baton. My bitch had on ice skates, did a cartwheel, tried to chun Li her neck. She tried to end her and homeboy and the dude. That's what. It was so fun back then.

[Parks]

It really was.

[Malcolm]

That was a good time.

[Joe Budden]

Nancy Kerrigan.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, that was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I come from what Shorty name they cut to cut the dick off. Yo, I come from when get pissed off, they in. This ain't nothing but a little baton.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't put that back in the air, though. You don't need them knowing about that one.

[Parks]

Yeah, well, keep my shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. They went and found his dick.

[Ish]

They did.

[Joe Budden]

They went and found that nigga Dick was in the bushes. That nigga Dick was in the bushes in the woods.

[Malcolm]

That's crazy.

[Ish]

Put that shit back on ice.

[Joe Budden]

If you cut my dick off, leave it in the house. Bitch. Don't pick my shit up and toss it into the woods. Yeah. Thank God the police found my shit and they're booking fucking bushes. You think that's funny? Right? Right.

[Ish]

Huh?

[Melissa Ford]

And she probably cut your on.

[Joe Budden]

On.

[Melissa Ford]

On small.

[Ish]

No, right at the base.

[Parks]

I thought it was a thumb.

[Melissa Ford]

Come on.

[Malcolm]

Got the tiny meat.

[Parks]

Thought I found the belly button in the one.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a dick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's just a little baton is all I'm trying to say. Yeah, that's all I'm trying to say.

[Malcolm]

Ain't nothing wrong with Louis baton.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And when you. Wait, listen, side note. This don't have nothing to do with this. And when you wake up early in the morning, like at 3:30 in the morning, like me, and just start watching. She ain't got no business watching. I just been watching random clips of Bill Clinton.

[Parks]

That's an interesting choice.

[Melissa Ford]

Well.

[Joe Budden]

Cause we was talking about the. The Lorena Bobby girl, right? Which led me to some of the things we've seen in the 90s, which was Bill getting his dick sucked in the fucking joint. But that was the reveal. That was the tell. If you just look at clips of Bill Clinton around women. Yeah. It's the funniest shit in the world. And then when you connect that to pizzerias and Hillary. Oh, my God. Yo, waking up early. It don't do the brain no good. It don't do the brain no good.

[Parks]

Don't sound like it.

[Joe Budden]

Bill Clinton is on some bullshit.

[Malcolm]

He was a.

[Joe Budden]

And why don't want nobody say nothing.

[Ish]

I mean, they did. They tried to impeach him for, you.

[Malcolm]

Know, getting his dicks out, but they got him for. Yeah, for the Lion. They tried to get him for the lion, but they were just mad he was.

[Joe Budden]

They know Bill Clinton name was on the. Damn. Y'all know there was one place to be was Epstein Island. Goddamn. Well. But I heard Bill heard Billy get busy out there.

[Malcolm]

I mean, I know two models. One is pretty well known that told me how Bill used to get down.

[Joe Budden]

You know how Bill get down?

[Malcolm]

Yo, they. The Secret Service started snitching on. They used to call Air Force One Air Fuck One. Oh, shit. Cause he would bring them on the plane.

[Joe Budden]

That sounds right.

[Melissa Ford]

And it sounds lit. What the fuck are we talking about?

[Malcolm]

Damn.

[Parks]

I guess.

[Malcolm]

What else you gonna do if you're the president?

[Ish]

Did they give you the details?

[Joe Budden]

There's only one way to compete.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. I'm just wondering if, like, the BDE was actually bde.

[Malcolm]

They didn't tell me that part.

[Parks]

Well, but are you inquiring about if Bill Clinton was home?

[Ish]

It's a logical question, you know, to ask right after hearing that he was, you know, on air. Fuck. One.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. I didn't ask when she told me.

[Ish]

I just thought she might have volunteered with the info.

[Malcolm]

Was he hanging? But I feel like women volunteer that when they want you to.

[Ish]

That's what I mean.

[Malcolm]

So she didn't say nothing. So that might be a tell in and of itself. But I didn't ask. She definitely. Yeah, I was impressed at Bill, to be honest.

[Melissa Ford]

Fuck it.

[Malcolm]

On Air Force One, this particular model, I was like, damn.

[Joe Budden]

It was the President.

[Malcolm]

I was like, damn.

[Ish]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Salute. He had a time. 90s was his era.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't say.

[Malcolm]

All he could do is just die now. Like it ain't nothing left.

[Parks]

Gotta be tough to go back to the old ball and shade.

[Malcolm]

Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

So y'all wouldn't wild if y'all was the president?

[Malcolm]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Got it.

[Malcolm]

No, I would. I would hold the dignity of the office.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it. No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't.

[Malcolm]

Yes, I would, man. Shit, Sure, I respect the position.

[Ish]

Yeah, what position?

[Joe Budden]

That's what you would do.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

You would respect the position for sure.

[Parks]

It's a couple different positions.

[Malcolm]

Several.

[Melissa Ford]

Bunch of them shits.

[Joe Budden]

That nigga Mark could be in there with his foot on the desk like the insurrection. Mark being him putting his dick on the desk. Yes, Margaret. That'll be the next season of Scandal. Oh, I know. I would do some wild shit in White House. I did some wild shit in just regular house, but that was white.

[Melissa Ford]

That's my point. Yo, niggas would wow the fuck out.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me about the time you fucking snuck the hostess of the poker game into a closet while your wife was home or your girl was home.

[Malcolm]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Your house.

[Parks]

That was very specific.

[Malcolm]

That was specific.

[Joe Budden]

Your house don't got no, like, secret compartments or rooms that it would take your wife about 20 minutes to get to.

[Melissa Ford]

You can get off, right?

[Joe Budden]

There's not a basement or an attic or a secret hallway spot over there. Well, the previous owner was a photographer, so there's a dark room somewhere. We just take your wife. You'd at least be Able to hear the footsteps coming at 4am why do niggas do.

[Malcolm]

Why do people fuck at their house? Like, cheat in their house?

[Ish]

Laziness.

[Malcolm]

Is it like the. I was gonna say is the thrill of the danger.

[Joe Budden]

The wheels, you both.

[Ish]

Probably both.

[Malcolm]

Hotels, day house, the car, the movies, the bathroom. Anywhere but home.

[Parks]

Literally anywhere.

[Ish]

Literally.

[Joe Budden]

Steve Jobs dead at that. Steve Jobs dead at all that cheating in the hotel. It's all. That's like an ex link up. That's like a. That's a meetup. Cheating hotel is a meetup. That's like biker week. Yeah, that's like Myrtle beach or some. Oh, now you caught cheating at a hotel.

[Malcolm]

I mean, home feels like even worse.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, all right, I'll take the opposing side. I guess I'm forced yet again. Again, they keep misrepresenting me. But now home sounds private, safe, you know, everything.

[Parks]

You got the password to your cameras?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Home sound like. I mean, that just feels.

[Malcolm]

I mean, yeah, I couldn't have.

[Ish]

Feels morally wrong, right?

[Malcolm]

I mean, cheating feels morally wrong to.

[Ish]

Me, but, like, that's just an extra.

[Malcolm]

The house feels like an extra level of disrespect. Like, I feel like your partner could get over you cheating. Cheating. You cheating, like, in your bed or your crib, y'all couch, y'all closet, whatever the it is. Like, sound like Mark. I feel like that would be harder to get. Like, if my wife cheated on me in the house, I'd feel worse.

[Joe Budden]

Your partner's not ever supposed to find out that that happened in the house or anywhere. No, no. They could get you for the cheating in the house. How did they find that out?

[Ish]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

You dropped the ball.

[Malcolm]

What did he not see aside over here? Come on, man.

[Joe Budden]

You dropped the ball somewhere.

[Ish]

It's not you dropping the ball.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you was a chick with hair.

[Melissa Ford]

Makeup on the sheets.

[Joe Budden]

I was a chick on ke. Glitter body cancer patient.

[Parks]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the hair coming in this house.

[Parks]

That is dark.

[Joe Budden]

Me. Cancer patients got good booty, too, yo.

[Parks]

Hard to come back from that one.

[Malcolm]

I got nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

Nothing, nothing. Let them go.

[Joe Budden]

Is it bad to be turned on by cancer survivors?

[Ish]

Oh, my God.

[Parks]

They're strong.

[Joe Budden]

Resilient.

[Malcolm]

Resilience.

[Melissa Ford]

Y'all sick.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to say, y'all, that is sexy, man. And if they kill the caption. This almost took me out.

[Melissa Ford]

When they ringing the bell, you'll be.

[Joe Budden]

Like, but look, I want just ball.

[Melissa Ford]

With a few cards.

[Joe Budden]

You'd be like, yeah, I would. This.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

Forget it. Forget it. No, never mind.

[Parks]

Hey, they need love, too. They need love.

[Melissa Ford]

They need love.

[Joe Budden]

I thought it was on fire. Kids, to survive, you gotta bless them. You gotta bless them. That's bad.

[Parks]

I don't think that's bad at all.

[Joe Budden]

Then why y'all getting on tag? I'm saying it's dark.

[Parks]

It's funny.

[Melissa Ford]

It's dark.

[Joe Budden]

It's dark. To say cancer survivors be fire.

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Parks]

No, I don't think so.

[Joe Budden]

That should be light.

[Parks]

That should be a beacon of hope.

[Joe Budden]

Don't help the bart that didn't kill her. Let me try. Right? Men. Just me mention she be butting strong. I'm leaving this.

[Malcolm]

Oh, that's too far.

[Joe Budden]

Holy. Get better. So listen. Oh, speaking of the heir. The heir of the Hermes. This estate wants to leave his fortune to the gardener. So he's thinking about adopting the gardener so that the gardener can be the successor to his $11 billion estate. He is without wife. The heir, not the gardener. He doesn't have a wife. He doesn't have children, which is why they say he's considering this. The gardener does have a wife and children.

[Parks]

I gotta see the yard.

[Malcolm]

How long they been fucking?

[Parks]

That's his yard.

[Melissa Ford]

See me, that's the first thing I thought I'm seeing. People say, oh, the gardener probably was the only one that treated him like a human. And he was really nice to him. I'm like, he was fucking that day.

[Malcolm]

Nah, he was working at E7.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I'm like, yo, he was busting that gardener down.

[Parks]

Oh, my God.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, man. I'm not leaving nobody.

[Melissa Ford]

$11 billion and 6 million in real estate houses everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

This is the second one of these billionaire dudes that decided to leave the money to the gardener. So while y'all are on to something, now, we just gonna expose the truth.

[Parks]

Gardener's got good pussy.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

That's the takeaway. Gardener's got that fire.

[Malcolm]

Cancer patients. Yeah.

[Parks]

Holy shit. Salute to the gardener, man.

[Ish]

What come up?

[Malcolm]

Why he gotta adopt the gardener? Why can't he just give the gardener the money?

[Parks]

That's a good reason.

[Ish]

Probably because maybe other members of the family might.

[Malcolm]

You see, they ain't got no.

[Parks]

Also, if he adopts the gardener, wouldn't that fall under a different category in pornhub?

[Ish]

Yeah, stepchild. I mean, I feel like there's a genre there.

[Malcolm]

Oh, God.

[Joe Budden]

Sub genre might move it up.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, let's move it up there.

[Joe Budden]

I don't feel like the gardener can go home and explain that to his wife and kids. Just. And get the gardener line off.

[Malcolm]

I think you. I think you bring 11 billion?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, you could.

[Malcolm]

With $11 billion, you can get anything off.

[Joe Budden]

I killed those ledges, baby. I killed the. Please, 11, Billy.

[Malcolm]

I can go home.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck the gardener. Baby.

[Malcolm]

Here's $11 billion.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta go home and just tell the truth, right?

[Parks]

Fuck it.

[Joe Budden]

I think gardeners might just be fast. If I got a billion dollars. And every day I look out my window, you out there looking good.

[Melissa Ford]

Gusting all on his body, bent over.

[Joe Budden]

In the bushes, the sun all working out there, shining on you. I mean, look at the sun shining on the garden out there like. Like that. That's crazy. Strong hands watching the front yard, watching the backyard. At least assuming the grass start looking greener, the plants growing around you.

[Melissa Ford]

So you know he good with his hands.

[Joe Budden]

Usually it's the pool boy and you a cancer survivor. Where is my robe? Sometimes you got to grab the robe and just go outside like. Yo, where you doing, man? What you doing?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, spark up a conversation.

[Parks]

Let's take a break, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Pop your ass up here in this room.

[Parks]

Brought you some lemonade.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Garden these pubes. Hey, you missed some grass. Sick 11 Billy, though.

[Malcolm]

Jesus.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Would you. Your gardener for 11 billion? Yes.

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Parks]

I fuck pretty much anything.

[Malcolm]

Insert any. Any word in that. In that. In that space. I don't care. 11 billion.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. What would you do if you had 11 billion? What would you do right now?

[Melissa Ford]

Whatever the fuck I want.

[Joe Budden]

But what?

[Malcolm]

But what is that?

[Joe Budden]

But what is that? What does it look like? Now you done fuck the gardener. You got gardener saliva all on your shit. You didn't shower like you got the 11 billion.

[Melissa Ford]

11 Billy.

[Joe Budden]

What are you going to do besides shower? And if the Gardener gave you 11 Billy, it ain't over when you get in the shower. Hey, go ahead and walk up in.

[Malcolm]

There, Popular Ray for round two.

[Parks]

Definitely gotta wash your back.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, the gardener putting it down, too?

[Melissa Ford]

He did the gardener bust his ass?

[Joe Budden]

He putting it down.

[Melissa Ford]

We terrible.

[Parks]

Absolutely.

[Malcolm]

How did we get here?

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'all think there's such a thing as. And then we can find something else to talk about instead of letting my ignorant brain lead where the part is going. Y'all think there's like such thing as, like, death guilt, right? Like, let's say you the air dude and you got all this money. You've been busting the gardener ass for 60 years. 60 years straight. No kids, no wife, just gardener ass. What's wrong still with just dying on the, you know, good looking tip?

[Melissa Ford]

Or you could be somewhere in the Middle right.

[Joe Budden]

You did your thing while I was on earth. But leaving him 11 million?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Melissa Ford]

From what I read. It was something where it's like a. Some if he just were to pass, the money would go to, like, in some foundation or he didn't want it to do that. So it's like, this is my way of controlling where it go.

[Malcolm]

That's spite.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, a lot of them niggas do that, though. A lot of them niggas have. I don't want it. What show am I watching?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, fuck. Anything on Zeus? Like a thought.

[Melissa Ford]

I am watching everything on Zeus. I'm not gonna hold you. I'm. I'm heavy on the Zeus channel.

[Joe Budden]

What you watching? Milky the Plumber. What's his name? What's my man name? To keep fighting anybody that wack 100. Just got into some with Aaron the Plumber. Aaron the Plumber? Yeah. Milky. Milky the Plumber.

[Malcolm]

He's back on that garden. Joe just gonna. His whole staff. You work in his. I'm talking his house staff.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Clear that up. I wouldn't do that. Power Dynamics.

[Melissa Ford]

That's fair.

[Parks]

I don't know if it's still Power Dynamics if you. But if you gave him 11 million, now he's got power.

[Malcolm]

I'm about to say Pablo got the power, but.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah, it's. It's. People be trying to, like, find ways to. I don't want it to go here. So let me find a way to circumvent that.

[Malcolm]

By giving it to the gardener, though, man.

[Melissa Ford]

I see. People left the fucking money to their cat.

[Joe Budden]

Facts.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And their dogs.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I'm doing some male shit.

[Melissa Ford]

100% a male.

[Joe Budden]

Do something stupid like that. Oh, it's too Daisy long.

[Melissa Ford]

Living everlasting life.

[Ish]

For the record. No, I wouldn't. Just saying. These are the people in my family that will get the stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'all want to talk about.

[Melissa Ford]

Hold on. Just to clear it up. He has. It was a succession agreement that he had with a charity that he established in 2011. So if he don't have any heirs. Yeah, any heirs, then it goes to them.

[Malcolm]

Oh, so he ain't got no choice. And now he's like, fuck that charity.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I gotta. Yeah, it's not going to this charity. Let me. All right, cool.

[Malcolm]

How bad must you hate the charity to want to give all $11 billion to your gardener?

[Ish]

A lot.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless he made some deal with the gardener. Like, I'm gonna give it to you, and then you Distribute it the way I want it to. Yeah, that's probably what it is.

[Melissa Ford]

And it's half. And he's leaving them half of the fortune. Fortune.

[Joe Budden]

So y'all have gardeners?

[Parks]

I don't.

[Ish]

No, I don't have a garden.

[Malcolm]

He don't, like, live there, but I got a gardener. Okay, Luis, just coincidentally. You fucking racist. Shout out to Luis.

[Joe Budden]

Luis. Huh?

[Melissa Ford]

Luis.

[Malcolm]

He was the best qualified for the job.

[Melissa Ford]

He had a fat ass, didn't he? That's what it was. So nasty.

[Joe Budden]

What background is he?

[Malcolm]

I don't know. I didn't ask.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'all. We gotta talk about Odell and Odell and Drew Ski. Come on. Yeah, come on. We've had enough fun with the gardener and the cancer survivor. Shout out to y'all. Y'all do be looking good. And I'm feeling low. Low hair. Like bald. You like bald? What? I'm a sucker.

[Parks]

If they can pull off the ball.

[Joe Budden]

Absolute sucker for bald Caesar. Low air on a woman that's already said the confidence. The confidence that. That different confidence, different level of.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, but the ball was never my thing.

[Malcolm]

Not even in the Johnny era.

[Melissa Ford]

Never my thing.

[Parks]

What about like the half bald? I don't want to just be and.

[Melissa Ford]

Then feel the same shit as mine.

[Joe Budden]

Like, wait a minute.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't want to feel that.

[Parks]

What about like the Rihanna Cassie, half bald?

[Joe Budden]

Hold up for a second part, just so we clear. Her head is not gonna feel like yours. Hell me, Helmie.

[Malcolm]

Hell me.

[Joe Budden]

If you met and her head is like yours. You shouldn't be with that shit.

[Melissa Ford]

She's smart. And then, yes, I will be with her.

[Joe Budden]

I told y'all, I ain't been back to the strip club since my little bald headed girl started buying wigs.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that would turn me off.

[Joe Budden]

My little bald stripper I used to speak so highly of. She's still fine. She's still fine even with the wig. But it's not the same. I went in with my girl after hyping up the bald girls. You gonna come out with a wig? I'm like, bitch, this is not. What. Now you just look like the rest of them.

[Melissa Ford]

Wonder what her money did.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Melissa Ford]

Wonder what money did. Her money might have went, like, everybody. Not really.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a smaller market for that. Everybody not with the ball. So maybe her putting a wig on might have opened more people would have been with it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I spent more than them.

[Malcolm]

So, like Amber Rose. You ain't like Amber Rose.

[Melissa Ford]

Amber Rose I didn't even know had a Head. That don't count.

[Malcolm]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. See, so it does count. See, Amber Rose and her views.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

I remember the day them things leaked.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Went to work. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. Went to work.

[Parks]

I called.

[Joe Budden]

I was there for that. What?

[Parks]

Respectfully.

[Joe Budden]

Salute. Yo, do women do that, Mel?

[Ish]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Like, what we saying with Amber? Like, when her shits. When her shits dropped, like, niggas went to work. Like, has a dude shit ever dropped? And then y'all went to work.

[Ish]

I can't necessarily speak for myself, but I'm sure. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

What's your group chat be saying?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Put it on someone else.

[Ish]

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all ain't see the Mufasa vid drop and go run to a closet?

[Ish]

No, no, you wouldn't. You would have needed to see more.

[Malcolm]

So which one did you see that made you do it?

[Ish]

Me? I said I didn't do it.

[Melissa Ford]

But your home, your group.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, your group.

[Parks]

Yeah. Somebody else.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, somebody.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, such and such. I'm about to go get the road.

[Ish]

You know, Chris Brown's pictures kind of had women, you know, little.

[Melissa Ford]

Going to work.

[Ish]

Yeah, probably. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Is that age appropriate? You can't do that, man.

[Ish]

I mean, how old was he at the time? Wasn't he, like, in his 30s? Like, early 30s?

[Joe Budden]

You're going to jail.

[Melissa Ford]

Trying to trip up.

[Joe Budden]

Trying to trip you up.

[Ish]

Yo, and again, I did not. Again, I. I did not.

[Melissa Ford]

Wasn't her.

[Ish]

Yes, exactly.

[Parks]

The group chat.

[Joe Budden]

Citizens arrest.

[Melissa Ford]

Group chat.

[Joe Budden]

But, yeah, the girls start telling themselves, start naming some college players and say, Chris Brown. Go ahead, girl.

[Parks]

Anyways, Jeruskin.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Malcolm]

Serious matter.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, Serious matter.

[Joe Budden]

I don't feel like I need to talk on serious matters with Marcus here. Yeah, I feel like that's a mark thing.

[Ish]

They both issued.

[Joe Budden]

And if Mel is there in support.

[Melissa Ford]

Then take it away now.

[Malcolm]

You break it down.

[Joe Budden]

You break it down.

[Ish]

Listen, I'll just read what they have each. What they each had to say, and then we can proceed to, you know, converse about that. This is Drewski's statement.

[Joe Budden]

Statement about what?

[Ish]

Yeah, what happened? So they've been named in by a Jane Doe. Another Jane Doe in puff lawsuits.

[Joe Budden]

These fucking Jane does is getting it done right now.

[Ish]

Yeah. So Drewski said this allegation is a fabricated lie. I wasn't a public figure in 2018. I was broke, living with my mom without any connections to the entertainment industry at the time of this allegation. So the inclusion of my name is truly Outlandish. Good choice of words. My heart breaks for actual victims of abuse. But I'm fully confident that the evidence will expose this falsehood and the individuals who are maliciously trying to game the legal system to peddle false narratives.

[Malcolm]

And the narrative is that Beckham, Drew Ski, Diddy, singer, rapper. I don't know if she's a rapper. Singer, Jaguar Wright, among others. There's a dozen people.

[Melissa Ford]

This is a wild story right there.

[Malcolm]

That they all mom's.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna hold you, man. These Jane Doe journals.

[Parks]

Crazy Jaguar in the mix.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, they threw jagging, which is where.

[Joe Budden]

I always check out. I check out at any site of Jaguar Wright's name, likeness or anything.

[Malcolm]

Well, they're accused of kidnapping, drugging and assaulting multiple individuals after allegedly Diddy heard her saying that she believed that he was involved in the murder of Tupac. So basically. So the idea is Diddy thinks he heard she say something about Tupac. So he assembled Juski, Odell, Beckham, Avengers, and they all assaulted this woman. Two Jane Do's and another woman who. Whose name I won't say, but his name is listed on the court document.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I don't want to do a whole bunch of laughing. Y'all don't believe Jane Doe.

[Ish]

I'm gonna say that it sounds pretty preposterous.

[Parks]

It does.

[Ish]

It just sounds pretty preposterous.

[Parks]

We're not laughing at the matter.

[Ish]

No, because the specifics are wild.

[Joe Budden]

Me being shady.

[Parks]

Well, Drew Ski said I like that little. You know what I mean? Like, we don't wanna.

[Ish]

He said, my heart breaks for actual victims of abuse, but I am fully confident that the evidence will expose this falsehood.

[Joe Budden]

We don't. We don't want to hear Drew Ski's response. Cause that's what made shit believable.

[Malcolm]

Okay, what about get to Odell.

[Ish]

I got you.

[Joe Budden]

Odell was like, say word that my name is in this shit, boy.

[Ish]

I'll tell you what. This world makes absolutely no sense. I am covered by God. He will prevail. I know who I am. I know who you are. Keep your head. Odell will be cleared. Shit's stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Odell. Get a publicist, my nigga.

[Melissa Ford]

Word. Odell.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna hold you.

[Malcolm]

That's a terrible response.

[Joe Budden]

Take your bitcoin, Savage. He went and did the bitcoin shit, right? He did. He did take 10 Bitcoin Satoshi's and go get you a fucking. A publicist. So you can not sound like this Odell. Yeah, because you the one need a publicist because if my brain just get to going, no, no, no, stop. Drew Ski. All right, that's my man. I believe him. I don't see it. I don't see it. It. My imagination is great enough to insert. Odell. Whoa. Oh, my God.

[Malcolm]

That was the pause of the year, bro.

[Ish]

That was egregious.

[Melissa Ford]

You went to work with.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I wasn't finished, but.

[Malcolm]

Oh, God, go. It's a hostile work environment now. God damn.

[Joe Budden]

As I was saying, my marriage. Odell in some story. Smarty fans. But yes, that was egregious. I got it.

[Melissa Ford]

That was wild.

[Joe Budden]

Odell. Get a publicist, man.

[Parks]

What did Jack Robert have to say?

[Malcolm]

No, she hasn't responded.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know.

[Malcolm]

Shocked.

[Parks]

That's the one I want to hear.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I want to hear that.

[Melissa Ford]

Did y'all read the complaint?

[Parks]

No, sir.

[Melissa Ford]

It went into detail what took place.

[Joe Budden]

And it said, like, oh, yeah, Drewski was using the girls like a slipping slide, right? Jumping on top of her with the baby.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop. We can't laugh at this, Parks. But yes, he jumped on her and used her as a slipper slide.

[Joe Budden]

I don't believe the Drew Ski did that.

[Malcolm]

I don't believe it. Just.

[Joe Budden]

I don't believe any of this happened.

[Malcolm]

Logistically, I just don't see how that could physically happen.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, it's him. So y'all laughing at the Jane Doe? Y'all are not laughing, Mel and Mark. Oh, y'all laughing at the Jane Doe?

[Ish]

No, we're laughing at the reaction.

[Malcolm]

I'm laughing at Park.

[Joe Budden]

We're not believing a woman.

[Parks]

That mental image is insane.

[Ish]

Ice, continue, please. Is there any more to it? That.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that was what.

[Ish]

That was the most ludicrous part.

[Parks]

What was Jaguar doing?

[Malcolm]

I, I, I feel. I feel really bad for. We're at a moment now where there's a feeding frenzy because Diddy has so many cases and so many charges, and there are a lot of lawyers, unscrupulous lawyers, who are just throwing everything at the wall, hoping that people will be so afraid of having their name in the news that they'll pay to not have their name in the news. And I think more people are coming forward and saying, I'm not going with that. There are a lot of women out there and men who are assaulted, who are harmed. And I hate that stories like this get the attention and not the ones that are actually legitimate and plausible, and I'm not. And for me, in this case, it's not even that I don't believe the Jane Does. It's that I don't even know if there are Jane Does. A lot of these lawyers make up people. You know, they literally manufacture people to make a case, hoping that they can get paid. So, you know, I hope the truth comes out and it prevails, but this is. This is not a good thing.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't gonna sold you, though. I watched a lot of Scandal when that show was out. This shit looked like a play out of Olivia Pope's playbook to me.

[Malcolm]

What's the strategy if I'm puff? Oh, you think it's a puff strategy? Oh, got it. Just keep throwing a bunch of bullshit out there, Let it happen.

[Ish]

Keep signing executive orders.

[Parks]

That's another reverse card.

[Malcolm]

That is a reverse card.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just saying this is a great play. Not saying he did it, but if you were.

[Joe Budden]

Shady bitches existed before this puff trial came about.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not. I'm talking about if I'm on trial and there's some shit that I did, let me get a bunch of this bullshit out there. And when people start to see, okay, that's bullshit. Now you might start to question everything, and this helps his case.

[Parks]

Damn.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that's the idea. That is a legitimate strategy. I don't know if it's puff strategy.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

I'm not saying it, but it does cast out. And that's the thing. Oftentimes when people are accused of egregious crimes and lots of them, juries find it hard to imagine that is true because they don't believe this. Might could conceivably do 100 things if.

[Melissa Ford]

You did three things. But we got 20 cases here, and 15 of the 20 are complete bullshit. You could just see through it.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Melissa Ford]

After a while, you like, all right, I see what's going on here. All of these are bullshit.

[Malcolm]

And that's the thing. It raises doubt in people's minds.

[Melissa Ford]

It'll raise doubt.

[Malcolm]

It'll be interesting when a trial. And look, we six weeks away from strategy.

[Joe Budden]

Let me throw a bunch of fake rape cases my way to help me be.

[Melissa Ford]

Because they're getting beat.

[Joe Budden]

That's bold.

[Melissa Ford]

Because if they're debunked before we even go to trial, then I can start to say, yo, it's just all been bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

I think that takes too much of the onus off of shady bitches and shady lawyers. And I think we have enough years of seeing shady bitches and shady lawyers go to work and not enough be done when we actually find out that it's people being shady.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

There needs to Be a law changed. There needs to be something changed so that something is done and these people are handled differently. But do I believe that Drewski and Odell and these people, Do I believe that? No, I don't. Let me just stick with Drew Ski because I really don't believe it about him. Do I believe any of this about Drew Ski? Absolutely not. Is it going to matter when he. When his innocence is fucking proven? Absolutely not. It's not going to matter at all. Just somebody searching the name Druski right now and seeing some of this bullshit from a Jane Doe isn't bad.

[Melissa Ford]

That's enough.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's more than enough. You talking about somebody who had two. Two commercials running in two bowl. You talking about somebody who's at the peak prime of his career and just. Just the allegation, just the lie. Because I'm. Because I believe it's a lie. That lie is hurtful. That lie is enough. Even when disproven is enough to get companies, the damage will still be done. Yo, dog, the risk is not worth the reward. I'm stepping away from this. And I don't think that's fair.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that's fair.

[Melissa Ford]

There needs to be some type of a false allegation, false accusation law or something that's. There needs to be.

[Malcolm]

I mean, there is. There are.

[Joe Budden]

There are.

[Melissa Ford]

But how?

[Joe Budden]

Then they need to update it or.

[Melissa Ford]

They need to start enforcing it.

[Malcolm]

They don't. They don't. They don't enforce it is the issue. It needs to be enforced. And it's not just for sexual assault. It's for everything. But I think part of the issue is we live in a society that doesn't believe women. Women. And doesn't believe survivors in general, men or women, but particularly doesn't believe women. Right. And I think people are reluctant to add more to the pile that will discourage people from coming forward when they are assaulted and when they are harmed. That's the other side of that, is that I agree, if you're lying, you should be held accountable. But there's a lot of people who aren't lying who still get called liars. And if there's more laws and more intimidation and more threats against those people, then they're gonna be even more afraid to stand up and speak out. So that's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

See, I think even that is part of the problem that muddies the waters. We not talking about actual victims and the fear that they have with coming forward and people not believe in it.

[Ish]

But unfortunately, Let me land.

[Joe Budden]

We talking about people that it's proven in this Jay Z case recently. They say TMZ then said it. Other people said, we have evidence that says this girl conspired with Tony Busby to come up with this plot.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Case closed.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We're not talking about leaving it open for what you think and open for interpretation. We talking about when it's a clear, proven fact that this person is lying on somebody, there needs to be penalties.

[Malcolm]

I agree with you. I'm saying the downside of that is that if you start enforcing that law or there's a sense that that law is gonna be enforced, witnesses and victims get intimidated all the time. And that becomes another tool that the other side will use. Powerful people will say, well, if you come forward, I'm gonna make you look like a liar. I'm gonna call the police on you. You're gonna go to jail. They do it all the time.

[Parks]

Especially in these cases where it's difficult. Difficult to prove.

[Joe Budden]

I get that to begin with, I guess. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

You're saying it's open and shut, but that gives.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying when it's open and shut.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

What you're saying, it's not that, but it still has implications.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

I get it. I get it, man.

[Malcolm]

But that slip and slide is wild.

[Melissa Ford]

And also.

[Joe Budden]

But until they do something about it, we're not going to stop seeing this.

[Malcolm]

That's true.

[Melissa Ford]

And just. Just because you mentioned that Jay Z accused her, there's another statement that came out after that where. Where she says they asked her to sign an affidavit saying her claims are false and she refused and she's doubling down, that I didn't conspire with him and this happened.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

So they're going back and forth with that.

[Joe Budden]

We got it.

[Malcolm]

And she has to. Because if she doesn't do that, then she gets prosecuted. So she'd rather it look like he said, she said that she loses than look like, okay, I admit I lied because with Jay Z's resources and the public attention, if she says, yeah, I conspired, then next step is she's getting prosecuted. Yeah. Perjury, fraud, all those things.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Nasty.

[Melissa Ford]

It's disgusting, bro.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I hate it.

[Joe Budden]

Because how do you avoid that? Like, that's what I was thinking when the story broke. When the story broke, I was like, what an interesting concoction of people to put in a story. Like, give me Odell, Jaguar, Drew Ski. Like, I wouldn't have even scripted it.

[Malcolm]

Was like he just looked at her algorithm.

[Parks]

Right.

[Malcolm]

And she said, he's all people on my YouTube. Yeah, yeah. And just said, okay, that's rough.

[Melissa Ford]

It's after the super bowl, like you said, Drew Ski's been in two commercials. He's up. Every name is everywhere.

[Malcolm]

Now you Google Diddy, sexual assault. Jaguar's gonna come up. I mean, it literally feels like just a mishmash of people. Yeah. And I know Jaguar wasn't involved in it. I am confident that Jaguar wasn't involved in anything. As confident as I with Drewski, for whatever reason. You know, just because I know who people mix with and who people don't. And when you look at the time period of 2018, it just doesn't add up. I mean, Odell said he wouldn't. He's never been in that part of California before. And I think Drewski said the same thing. It just. I don't know. A lot of it is. Looks like it's just a mess.

[Joe Budden]

You're not inviting Jaguar Wright to the same freak off you invited Odell to?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that part.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Parks]

Respectfully.

[Joe Budden]

Or I mean, yeah, respectfully. Just made the freak offs. Oh, my God, man. It's over. Freak off at your own risk. You can't even do it the Flyway no more. We don't got lost track of what the Flyway is.

[Parks]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

With consent.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And LEDs. Consent. LED. You come up with a list real quick. Look at y'all. You can have that, bro.

[Melissa Ford]

I wasn't at you. No, I was not there.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you was. Yes, you were there.

[Melissa Ford]

This is. See, when they talk about the lie Ice. You were one of the believe Ice was there. The freak off be Ice was always.

[Joe Budden]

At the freak off.

[Ish]

How'd you know it was going to be a freak off? To avoid it.

[Melissa Ford]

I wasn't there.

[Parks]

The LED lights.

[Ish]

Yeah, but didn't he install them?

[Joe Budden]

Tell them about the New Year's Eve party. You back to that installation joke? You back to that installation joke?

[Parks]

It was a good call.

[Joe Budden]

Back. He's installing the LED now.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm doing the LEDs.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, tell them about the New Year's Eve party. What you was doing.

[Melissa Ford]

What I was doing. We was. It was a party. We was having fun at a party. That wasn't freak off.

[Malcolm]

It started sound freak off.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was.

[Malcolm]

It was New Year's.

[Parks]

He was installing TVs.

[Melissa Ford]

Like everybody wanted to watch the ball drop. I had to get.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Melissa Ford]

I'll pay that one. I pay that one. But yeah, I had to get the TV working. So, you know, that's it.

[Malcolm]

Then the ball dropped.

[Joe Budden]

It's cool. Free. That's it. I won't tell nobody else but you was there.

[Melissa Ford]

I was not there.

[Malcolm]

Nothing wrong with being there, as long as it's consent. N. You never been to a freakoff?

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Joe Budden]

You know hel me went and locked himself in the bathroom for four hours. That locked himself in the bathroom for five hours.

[Malcolm]

He's on his Game Boy.

[Melissa Ford]

Yep. Playing Call of Duty.

[Joe Budden]

Helme pulled something off to the side and got missing right for the night. See y'all in the morning, big homie.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't remember this. I talking about.

[Malcolm]

Oh, those are the best nights, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Anyway, wanna talk about Nelly?

[Joe Budden]

What Nelly do? He said, I wanna talk about Nelly's ex. Why we never talked about that. Nelly's ex.

[Malcolm]

I don't even.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't even wanna get him. When the exes do that. I don't even wanna get him no light.

[Ish]

Wait, what happened?

[Joe Budden]

Nelly's ex said, when I broke up with Nelly, I did so thinking that the space, the time and the distance would bring us closer together and maybe he would spin the block and we would be tighter.

[Melissa Ford]

He did.

[Malcolm]

He did spin the block.

[Melissa Ford]

He spun the block.

[Malcolm]

He just turned right.

[Joe Budden]

He spun a different block. Got a shanti pregnant and married her.

[Melissa Ford]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

L hold your L. X has got to learn to hold the L's word. Like, why are you even speaking on him?

[Parks]

Happy, Happily married.

[Ish]

Was this a recent post?

[Malcolm]

Yeah, this was recent.

[Ish]

Oh, okay. All right. Because I know she was saying something.

[Melissa Ford]

She's been saying something. Every time she pop up, it's because she's talking about him.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that. While I'm in my happiest.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't do that, period. Go sit down. Go get happy. How about that?

[Ish]

I can understand. The first time that she made the statement, it was like, you know, I'm sure she. She was inundated with a lot of people saying something. So she wanted to. To perhaps give some clarity. Now, marriage, kid born girl. Abort mission. Abort mission.

[Melissa Ford]

Just go find you some happiness.

[Joe Budden]

Feel like people.

[Melissa Ford]

I got mine.

[Joe Budden]

Simple, very simple rules. When you have. When you have an ex that is now engaged or married.

[Parks]

Shut the up.

[Melissa Ford]

Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

You're done.

[Ish]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking about that relationship out of respect.

[Melissa Ford]

Unfortunately, when that's all that will get you posted, you got to hold on to that. That's what happened. Because she could go talk about anything else, we wouldn't be up here talking about it.

[Ish]

That's True.

[Joe Budden]

But back to Nelly.

[Melissa Ford]

He. He was saying that basically.

[Ish]

Drink champs, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, drink champs. He was saying that. That basically his daughters are always allowed back home, no matter what, no matter how old they are. Y'all can come back home. He was like sons, you know, if something happened, hard times, whatever, you can come back home, couch for a couple days. But you. That's it. You gotta. You gotta get up and go get it after that.

[Malcolm]

That's ridiculous.

[Joe Budden]

I will give my take after I hear you guys take, so I know which take to give. It's one of those. Oh.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I believe you should be like that for all your kids, period.

[Ish]

Thousand percent.

[Malcolm]

Which way they all can come back or they all can't.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. They all can come back. And I'm not with the kicking y'all out the house and that, that whole. All right, now you're 18. You gotta go be your own person and go survive in this fucked up world. I'm not with that. And if you out there, 20, 30, 40, I don't care. And you need to come back home. Bring your ass back home.

[Malcolm]

I think some kids should come home and some kids shouldn't. But it's not gendered for me. It's just like some kids I know need a kick in the ass. Like, I came home, I dropped out. When I dropped out of college, I came home and my mom gave me like December, January, February. She said, you gotta get a job or get out. Then when I got the job, she was like, you got till June. I got the job in February. By May, I was out. Cause she knew that I needed that. She knew that if I stayed around and did nothing, I was gonna keep doing nothing. I got other. Another sibling who was there until two years ago. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

A little bit. All right, go ahead.

[Malcolm]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

No, that was definitely it. I got another sibling. I got this other sibling I'm related to that just two years ago. Grown ass.

[Malcolm]

Fair enough. I didn't mean to make it sound like that, but not to get all heavyweighted, but I remember before my dad died, I asked him I had hired my brother to do something for me. My dad said, I always worried that he would be you. I'm talking about what my dad said on his deathbed.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

But before. I know what he said, I'm laughing. You do this. You said, yeah, I hired my brother to do something. And then my dad. So I have this voice of the older black parents on their deathbed saying, you better take care you better take care of little Danny.

[Malcolm]

That's basically what he said. You know, let me not say. Cause he might watch this at some point, but I'll just say what my parents expressed was that they had concerns that some of us, if they didn't go the right way, could end up homeless, could end up out on the street. And so I used to not understand that until I became a parent.

[Joe Budden]

You was on the wrong route.

[Malcolm]

Me? Little bit. Little bit. But you got.

[Joe Budden]

Right, you got yourself together.

[Malcolm]

You gotta figure this shit out. But like. Nah, but the point is, like, some kids, you know will be okay. Some kids you really worry about, like, this kid ain't gonna be okay.

[Joe Budden]

Some kids are gonna fail. And you can see it from early.

[Malcolm]

From when you're like five. Yeah, right. Dead ass.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just being a dick. But it's true.

[Malcolm]

No, it's true. I got some cousins and nephews I know I'll be taking care of in 20 years, dog.

[Melissa Ford]

We got. We had a.

[Joe Budden]

A little.

[Melissa Ford]

Little cousin. And this is up. We should not say this about kids, but my whole family knew by maybe 4 years old he was going to jail, right? And guess what?

[Joe Budden]

You can see that.

[Melissa Ford]

Guess what? Yeah, he's in jail.

[Malcolm]

That's what my dad said about my brother. Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, we knew it. They was building it for him.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

And it's bad, but it's the truth.

[Malcolm]

So. No, that's it. So as a parent, if, you know, if you see that for your kid and you're like, if I keep them in this house, at least they'll have food, clothing and shelter. I'll be okay. And I said to my mom, you need to put him out. If he's homeless, he's homeless. You know, at some point he gotta stay it on his own too. She said, yeah, but if he doesn't, I don't wanna. I don't want that guilt. She said, I'm only gonna be around another 15, 20 years. The fuck y'all wait for me to die to put him on. You do that when I'm going. I don't want that guilt. And it sounded fucked up. But then, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, yo, am I hearing this shit differently than the rest of y'all?

[Malcolm]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Cause y'all just going along.

[Melissa Ford]

Let him get what I said.

[Malcolm]

What I said. I said something fucked up. I mean, yeah, I would have put him out. Party. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

If a nigga is 45 at home.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. I could hear how you was letting your dad know. I ain't gonna hold You. It's creeping out. I can hear exactly the tone in that talk with dad. You always fucking looking out for Frazier. If he homeless, then he homeless. Get him the fuck outta here, Pop. Come on, now. And you was clearly headed down like a doctor path, like you was looking.

[Malcolm]

Good by that point.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Malcolm]

But the whole point is. But if. You know, Fra. My thing is, I believe Frasier could be anything. But I think y'all coddling him by protecting him. Cause y'all so scared. He's not. And they're like, we know him better than you. And that's the thing I didn't learn until I got older, is maybe I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, parents know their kids too, now.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. You know, your kid ain't gonna make it, you know. Yeah, some kids are special or not.

[Joe Budden]

Now, you know, Parents on their deathbeds, boy. And that's the other thing. Yo, we ain't respected enough coming up. But parent rent, I was rebellious against that. Joe, give me a minute. Put something toward this rent now. A little $50 little, $70 something, little honey. She was grateful for whatever.

[Malcolm]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

And we wasn't paying.

[Melissa Ford]

And we had a problem with that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we wasn't paying that shit, that parent rent.

[Parks]

I paid my.

[Melissa Ford]

I had a problem.

[Joe Budden]

Parents to tell you pick a bill, light bill, phone bill, you paying something. Holy. Yo, this is too funny.

[Malcolm]

Can your kids come home with you, come home to you whenever they want?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

For as long as they want.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to say, yeah, okay, cuz.

[Ish]

Parenthood is a lifetime job.

[Parks]

I mean, especially though, if you have a.

[Joe Budden]

The mean.

[Parks]

If you have the means. It's not like you're living in a one bedroom apartment anymore when we're talking about Nelly or Joe or something like that.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, if I was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I would just get my kid a crib.

[Melissa Ford]

If I was park.

[Joe Budden]

Don't come living with me.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Is it.

[Melissa Ford]

What's the other option? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I was just. I was. I was with some family and I was asking about some cousins that I haven't seen in a long time. Like 20 some odd years. I'm like, yo, what's up with such and such? And they was like, yo, man, yeah, he over on such and such doing. He getting high now and he doing this and. And it's like not saying you could prevent it, but if you could at least try. And his parents, they just washed their hands with him and now he just out here. So. Nah, I would Go through everything. I would try everything before that. I don't care if it was. If I had a studio. If I'm living in the studio apartment and he need, hey, nigga, you pick us out, we gonna figure it out. Figure it out.

[Malcolm]

I'm with that. I just feel like sometimes the thing you think is gonna make them better is I'm saying do whatever will make your kid better. But sometimes we think bringing them in does that, and it enables it.

[Melissa Ford]

It's enabling them.

[Malcolm]

That's all I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

So when Pop left the house in you and your brother's name, you kept it like that, right? You didn't go take your homeless brother to court?

[Malcolm]

So they only left it in two of the three. There's three of us that they both have, and they left it in two of our names. Frazier didn't get it.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't Frazier's name.

[Melissa Ford]

They know who they knew.

[Joe Budden]

They iced him out the game. Damn phrase.

[Malcolm]

I gave him his money, though.

[Ish]

Good for him.

[Malcolm]

Like I said, I don't do people dirty.

[Joe Budden]

But some kick rock shit, right? Hey, we don't ever want to see you again. All right? Now take this and go. Now that daddy gone, you better make it last.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't you show your fob Mark.

[Ish]

Were you worried that he was going to, like, spend it, like, immediately?

[Malcolm]

Let me say this. I'm sorry. I didn't give it to him. I have it. He's in prison, so I can't give it to him. But it's.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Malcolm]

It's in a trust.

[Ish]

It's in account.

[Malcolm]

It's in an account form.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Malcolm]

Maybe.

[Ish]

I. I think what you. I think that's commendable.

[Melissa Ford]

I got your money, but I'm hold. I'm hold it right here.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Melissa Ford]

I got you, though.

[Malcolm]

Wait, do you mean mail it to him?

[Joe Budden]

Vocabulary is too extensive to be stuck on the word using.

[Malcolm]

I put money's books every week, and I don't take it out of the. I don't take it out of that money.

[Ish]

If you take his books money out of his.

[Malcolm]

I could, but I don't.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, can you stop asking serious questions right now, please? We ain't trying to joke.

[Ish]

I'm there.

[Joe Budden]

How much money you put in his books?

[Malcolm]

The max you can do every three days is 300, so I do, like, 500 a week.

[Joe Budden]

So you don't do the max?

[Malcolm]

No, no. Nope. But I also send him sneakers. I'm like, he needs new sneakers. Hey, brother, listen, I sent him sneakers. I sent him books.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I Wasn't.

[Malcolm]

I just bought him a tv.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't around for y'all bring him in.

[Malcolm]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

You handle them how you want to handle them.

[Malcolm]

I put a lot of money on them books, man.

[Joe Budden]

Holy shit.

[Malcolm]

Niggas start getting entitled, though, man.

[Joe Budden]

I know my fucking. My older brother views money different than me and always has. So my mom knows that it's a thing. Like, I'm mad generous with it. I don't care. Here. Card, money intake, whatever. Shirt off my bag. Yeah, that ain't my brother. He's the. He's sweet. So if you need something done and.

[Melissa Ford]

Show up, he sweet.

[Joe Budden]

Action. Yeah, action. He do all the. That I don't do. So she got a good balance. Good, good. But in terms of money.

[Malcolm]

Frugal Scrooge.

[Joe Budden]

He's keeping it. And he keep getting raises, too. Oh, wow. And my mom keep getting set up. Hey, now that you got that ra be like, hell no. Get your ass the out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

He downplayed the heart.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's adamant. Oh, you don't downplay it. No, not at all. He said, oh, yeah, now I gotta call my mom. Cause now I'm talking behind her back. Hell no. He don't downplay.

[Melissa Ford]

He said, I've seen that one before. No, no, I've seen that one.

[Malcolm]

The glasses work just fine. Stand closer.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Stand closer. No, that's funny. That's fucked up, though. Let me see if she answered real quick. Cause I'll get in trouble for talking about my family behind her back. And she listens to the bard. Hello? Hey, mom on air. Oh.

[Ish]

Huh?

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling them about how Varron is stingy with money and I'm not. Varron said stingy.

[Melissa Ford]

That that's how he was 20 years ago.

[Joe Budden]

Varron said what? He's not stingy. He used to be 20 years ago. Okay, but we know the truth. I know, but we looking at.

[Melissa Ford]

We're looking through a different lens.

[Joe Budden]

We're looking through a different lens. Oh, wait, is she doing that? Don't protect her.

[Melissa Ford]

I have two sons that I love.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Melissa Ford]

That's right, Ms. May. Hey.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna hang up and tell the truth. I have two sons that I love immensely. And my son says he used to.

[Melissa Ford]

Be cheap 20 years ago.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Do you think he's cheap?

[Melissa Ford]

I take the fifth.

[Malcolm]

That's all we need to do.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, but we're different in that regard.

[Melissa Ford]

Hallelujah.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, God. Oh, man. All right, fine. My mom got me back on the right Route. So I ain't gonna keep my brother back in. All right?

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Bye.

[Ish]

Later, Ms. Bay.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

So anyway, it was time for my mom now.

[Melissa Ford]

Here come the truth.

[Joe Budden]

It was time for my mom to get some of her affairs in order. I said, so you gonna trust him with any money after you go? And she says she loves us both. And that she loves us both. Got it, Got it. Sometimes you gotta talk to your parents, have the truth conversation.

[Malcolm]

You really do, boy.

[Melissa Ford]

Boy, oh, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, Mark, let Frasier have it. Holy Frasier. You ain't have a chance.

[Malcolm]

Frasier deserved it. Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Frasier didn't have a. A shot in hell.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Yo. Good God. Ah, damn. Anyways, all right, what else? What else is funny? Not funny. Important. Unimportant. I can't believe you tried to throw postpartum on that guitar, though.

[Malcolm]

I mean, she did have postpartum.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. That just don't address what we were saying for the whole story. Yeah, that's all. That's all.

[Ish]

It kind of. It does, though, a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

No, it don't. And that's the problem. When a guy is saying, this person is off her marbles. That's wrong. For y'all to assume we saying that because she's on postpartum. No, we recognize the postpartum.

[Ish]

No, I think that there was not a recognition of her being postpartum. It was just somebody just calling her fucking crazy. And I'm like, there might be a legitimate reason for it, like a chemical imbalance.

[Joe Budden]

So she's crazy. So you saying, what the fuck?

[Ish]

I said, I am not.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'all care about Mark wasn't here for our LeBron, Stephen. A conversation that we had. But then footage came out of LeBron kikiing with Richard Jefferson after the. After the event, where he was basically like, yeah, Stephen Egan up there. And saying, LeBron, I'm talking to you as a father was the last straw for me.

[Melissa Ford]

That changed a lot for me.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to say, when we were having the conversation, I felt like some people really weren't all the way aware of everything Stephen A. Has been saying once you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that changed a lot for me, that as a father part. Cause now you're not speaking on him. You're not even speaking on Bronny as an athlete. You're not critiquing him as an athlete. You're critiquing him as my son and my parenting. It was like, I'm asking you as a father to. To not allow him to play and all that.

[Parks]

Bron was nice.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah. In that sense, he was nice.

[Joe Budden]

I remember the morning where that episode of First Take aired. I was getting dressed, I wanna say, maybe for work even. And when Stephen A. Got into that. And I get content creation and building suspense. But he did too great of a job at it for what led. I mean, for what followed. He was like, lebron as a father, man. And I got kids as a dad, honestly, it's time to. And I stopped and looked at the tv like, hey, that was heavy. For whatever basketball conversation you have coming right now, it's a lot.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, you can't do that.

[Parks]

LeBron was nice.

[Melissa Ford]

Can't do that shit.

[Malcolm]

So I agree that LeBron had every right to confront Stephen A. And I didn't want Stephen Nate to criticize Bronny on the father son tip. You can just criticize him as a basketball player the way every other GM and coach has who has that position?

[Melissa Ford]

That's the side that I was on.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. Do we never though say to somebody, hey, you're making a bad choice as a parent? I mean, for example, when lavar Ball and he turned out to be right, but when LaVar Ball took LaMelo out of high school and put him overseas, lots of people said, that's unfair. You're trying to make your kid a pro instead of focusing on his education. Are we allowed to say that? Are we allowed to tell parents who are in the public parenting that they're making bad choices as parents?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Malcolm]

Ever.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't. Who are you to say that that's a bad choice?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, you have to say that when all arrows point to it being a bad choice. Like, that was the thing about Stephen A. To LeBron. You saying as a father, with all of this buildup to somebody who's been the example, who's been in his kid's life, his entire life, the kid ain't out there robbing and carjacking and stealing. You talking about a kid who's in the NBA?

[Melissa Ford]

Was that who just almost died?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. In college with the heart shit going on. Yeah. Like, that ain't.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't tell me as a father.

[Joe Budden]

Don't tell me what to do as a dad. I'm the only dad that's ever been in this position in the entire history of the league. You can't talk to me about that now. If the decision is bad, even with the Lavar bullshit, like, my son is going to play overseas, he's gonna forego his college, yada yada yada. Yada, like, if you telling me something's going wrong there, that's an opinion. It's not rooted in. Again, my son is a murderer. My son is stabbing people. My son is drugged out. My son has a gambling problem. My son is. Yeah. And there's too many times where this has come up with Steve and A specifically, like you mentioned Lavar, we mentioned fucking LeBron. There was another instance where this happened. I have to jog my memory, but.

[Melissa Ford]

Even with the Lavar ball shit, I don't care. Can't nobody say you're making a bad decision as a parent. You can't tell him that. That's my thing. You can't tell me as a parent.

[Joe Budden]

You'Re doing this wrong. I got two in a possible in the league.

[Malcolm]

Disagree with that part.

[Joe Budden]

But I got two in a possible in the league. And the possible has a record deal somewhere.

[Malcolm]

We should trust his judgment at this point. But what I'm saying is. And again, I fully agree with LeBron and what he did, and I fully disagree with Stephen A. I'm just saying there are moments where I don't accept the rule that we just should never criticize people's parenting. That's all I'm saying. Because I think there are times where we should listen, criticize somebody, give an.

[Ish]

Example of the time where it's applicable.

[Joe Budden]

To we black people. So every other day in the winter time, we see.

[Melissa Ford]

Put a coat on that. Yeah, put a coat on.

[Joe Budden]

We do that every. Put a coat on that baby. It's too cold for that baby to be out here without a coat. That is parental criticism.

[Malcolm]

Valid stage parents, we tend to call them stage moms.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Malcolm]

Stage parents often exploit their kids. Right. They often try to live through.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Malcolm]

And we criticize the shit out of that. And I don't think that's unfair or unreasonable, too.

[Melissa Ford]

But you can't tell them you're making a bad decision.

[Ish]

But the criticism is.

[Melissa Ford]

That's all. You could just be like, yo, you pushing. You might be pushing that kid too hard. You might be doing this. How do you know what they want to do?

[Malcolm]

That's the same thing.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it's not. You say you might be telling them that's bad parenting, is you're making a bad decision. Now, what if people could have told Joe Jackson he was making a bad decision, pushing the Jacksons, and then the kids turn out to be that Was it a bad decision? You see what I'm saying? You can't tell nobody.

[Malcolm]

But what if I said beating the out of Tito to make him play the guitar better was bad parenting or bad choice. Would that be okay for me to say?

[Melissa Ford]

No, you can't tell them that.

[Malcolm]

Okay, so that. That's.

[Melissa Ford]

That's my thing. You can't tell somebody you're making a bad decision. You are. This. This is bad parenting.

[Joe Budden]

You shouldn't tell somebody that.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I get it.

[Joe Budden]

Unless all arrows point to, like, if we got to get Dyfus now and child protective services involved.

[Malcolm]

Tito definitely wanted diapers, but I'll give you.

[Melissa Ford]

I'll give you. I'll give you one. And rest in peace.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Melissa Ford]

The father son duo that. That took PNB Rock out of here. Rest in peace. Now, you could say to that, dad, bringing your son on that is a bet. Like, you ruined both of their. Look, both of you, you've ruined three lives. Well, more lives. You've ruined a lot of lives.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace.

[Melissa Ford]

That's an instance where. And that's extreme, but that's an instance where you can say, you're doing. You did a bad. You made a bad decision, bad parenting, etc.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, to not go as extreme as ice is going. The whole conversation when Nick Cannon kept popping him out was, you're bad. You're bad parenting. That's bad. That's bad fatherhood. There's no way you can be in all of these places at once. And yeah, that was the entire conversation.

[Malcolm]

Are we allowed to say that? Is that wrong?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, what I told. Because I told Nick to his face, I said, you're being selfish. I still didn't say, you're being a bad, bad parent.

[Malcolm]

This is feel semantic.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. That's not bad parent. Bad parent is a different level of accusatory than selfish.

[Malcolm]

So if I say to Nick, right, as a father, you should want. Just to use Tina's language, as a father, you shouldn't want to have 10 kids in 10 places because you can't be present for all of them.

[Joe Budden]

That's in bad taste.

[Melissa Ford]

Very.

[Joe Budden]

That's in bad taste. Who are you to say what I should and shouldn't want as a father?

[Melissa Ford]

And who is you to say because he got enough money. Who are you to say that I don't build a compound with all of us living here. You don't know what our living situation is.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I'm just hypothetical. I'm not criticizing that.

[Melissa Ford]

But that's why you can't make that assessment that this is bad parenting.

[Malcolm]

And that's why it feels like a slippery slope. Because while I agree with the Lebron Stephen A criticism because I think Stephen A. Went too far. It's not necessary. Because again, the worst case scenario is he's a bad NBA player or whatever. Right. That's not a bad outcome. That's an outcome that 99.9% of the world will never get. You can't criticize him for that. I get. But the other extreme, when we talk about calling Dyfus or, you know, calling child services on somebody, that's the extreme. We all agree you can criticize that, but in the middle is a bunch of choices that I might think are unethical, like pulling a kid out of school or depriving kids of their social experiences or not letting you know what I mean. These are all things that I might say are bad and are signs of bad parenting. So I'm with you. I'm hearing what you're saying loud and clear. And it's like, I probably wouldn't use that language of bad parenting. Cause it sounds accusatory. But we do all judge people's parents. I'm just saying Stephen ain't the first nigga to judge somebody's parent.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no. You could judge, but again, and that's by your own personality.

[Joe Budden]

You judge it and take it on TV and act like you having a heart to heart, man to man, dad to dad conversation. When, like you said, the worst case scenario is you're a bad NBA player. Stop.

[Melissa Ford]

That's it.

[Malcolm]

I agree with that. Yeah. That part I agree with 100%.

[Melissa Ford]

I got my son with a guaranteed contract, making his own money, doing what I'm assuming he loves to do on my team. We play together.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Where's the bad parenting in that?

[Malcolm]

I don't think that's bad parenting. Even if I don't agree with the choice, and I don't necessarily agree with the choice. I think it's. I don't think it's bad parenting. I think if I'm gonna defer to somebody's expertise on this, I'm gonna defer to LeBron's. You know what I mean? Like, he's one of the goats. Like, fuck it. He deserves the opportunity to be wrong about it.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I just don't like telling people y'all are bad parents.

[Malcolm]

Fair.

[Melissa Ford]

Not with it.

[Joe Budden]

Especially when your private life is so private.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, Stephen A. Has made it a point to keep his private life extremely private.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a good one.

[Joe Budden]

We don't see his kids. We don't know about his kids. We don't hear about his kids. We don't hear about his dating. We don't know nothing about none of that. So don't. Just because you hang your hat on that now, point all of the guns at the guy who's in the public doing it a certain way. It's just not. And I didn't like Stephen A's response to the LeBron Richard Jefferson conversation, which was. Oh, so it was. It was about you. It wasn't about the kid? No, no, buddy. It's still about the kid. He was saying he had a problem with you saying, I'm speaking to you as a father because you're a father to who? Everything after that was about the kid. Like, I just don't like how Stephen A. Is handling this specific topic. But I'll shut up until he goes on Gilbert to talk about it. Cause I'm sure they'll talk about it over there. Oh, yeah, he's doing good with arena soon.

[Parks]

Shout out to him.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I can't. Can't wait to see. Can't wait to see what else is going on. Garrett Cole is getting Tommy John surgery. If you're a Yankees fan, not great. That's crazy.

[Malcolm]

Season's over.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna go that far.

[Malcolm]

I'm being an. Yeah, that far. I'm just wishing the worst on the Yankees. I want him to be healthy. I want the Yankees to lose.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Why do you want the Yankees? It's just all New York team, son, for you. Yeah. Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, that's it.

[Ish]

At least you're consistent.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. I hate doing all of them.

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I'll take Yankees over the Mets, but I hate all them.

[Joe Budden]

Well, and you take any Yankee contract over poor George contract.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Reverse.

[Melissa Ford]

That was low. That was reverse.

[Malcolm]

Card.

[Joe Budden]

Reverse Card.

[Melissa Ford]

That was low.

[Joe Budden]

Just saying.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, just saying. I'm over all. I want them to blow that whole team up at this point.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Melissa Ford]

That's where I'm at. That's exactly where I'm at with it.

[Joe Budden]

Justin Fields to the Jets. Anything, anything, anything.

[Melissa Ford]

I. I love it. I. I wanted him to have the. The shot in Pittsburgh. I don't think he got a fair shake.

[Parks]

He didn't.

[Melissa Ford]

And I really want. Especially when I was getting DK over there. Now you got Pickens dk. You still got fire. Move. You got. You have some options. I would. I would have liked to have seen how he would have performed given a shot with the whole. The whole season. So, yeah, I didn't like it. But I hope he balls out with the jets like, and his contract like his agent did that.

[Parks]

I actually don't like him going to the jets because I like him and I feel like the jets is a black hole for quarterbacks. When was the last time you saw a good jets quarterback situation?

[Malcolm]

Damn.

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's all. I think that's overhyped a little bit. Maybe. I understand it, maybe. But we watched Matt Leiner have a blast for the jets.

[Parks]

That was 20 years.

[Joe Budden]

It was a while ago.

[Ish]

20 years. It's a long time.

[Melissa Ford]

Mark Sanchez.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean, that's who I meant. I said Matt Leinert. I met Mark Sanchez. I'm sorry, but that's still 20 years ago.

[Parks]

Yeah, 20 years ago.

[Melissa Ford]

I hope. I hope he has a. I hope he balls out still.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, Justin Fields, if you give him a starter spot on the team, he's going to do something. I can't speak for the team's results.

[Melissa Ford]

With a system that's trying to put him in position to succeed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Because that wasn't the case in Chicago.

[Joe Budden]

He'll be fine. I've seen Mike Kaiser win five weeks in a row with starting Justin Fields and fantasy picking him up before.

[Parks]

He's gotten a bad. A bad rep in the, in the league. He's much better than being a backup quarterback. Absolutely. The positions he's been in.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. It's true.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm over here watching free agency news. I'm just waiting for it to happen.

[Parks]

You know what's coming.

[Joe Budden]

Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers.

[Parks]

I could see him. I also could see him going to the Vikings.

[Melissa Ford]

You know the funny.

[Joe Budden]

I see that too.

[Parks]

Americans just read it. Their entire offensive line. You're not doing that for J.J. mcCarthy.

[Joe Budden]

Who'S might be good, but they might really like him. They might like, really like him.

[Parks]

They might. That's a, A lot of investment for. Especially for a team that's been competitive for the last three or four years.

[Joe Budden]

Their plan was JJ McCarthy. Last year it was so they clearly saw something that said, hey, we're ready to go with him and we don't think we'll lose all these games with a rookie quarterback.

[Parks]

But they had a backup player and.

[Joe Budden]

They let Sam Darnold know pretty much all season long. Hey, we're not bringing you back. Right. We're not paying you. You're 10 and 1, but we're not bringing you back. That says that there's some faith in the young quarterback back there. And not for nothing, that draft probably will go down as one of the greatest quarterback drafts.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I've been here. It's QB Heavy special.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I see y'all got rid of Daniel Jones.

[Parks]

Yeah, he's an Indy.

[Joe Budden]

We've been. Got rid of Daniel Jones.

[Parks]

Yeah. That's facts.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he wasn't.

[Melissa Ford]

He was on the bike. I'm trying to make jokes on you.

[Joe Budden]

We should have did that before to say.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I was talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Melissa Ford]

Pardon?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

No, but the funny is, I'm. As much as I say I hate it, I can see the Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers working in Pittsburgh.

[Parks]

It would absolutely work.

[Joe Budden]

Same. By the way, does anyone left?

[Malcolm]

What you mean skill wise?

[Parks]

He still balled out last year at times.

[Malcolm]

Okay, I think I'm really asking. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, the jets won games last year.

[Parks]

Yeah, they did.

[Joe Budden]

And they lost a lot of games.

[Parks]

By very close margins.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, by the.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. So it ain't as bad as they make it out to be. I mean, it probably was in the building and for the organization.

[Parks]

No, the building was an absolute mess.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was.

[Parks]

That was coaches, their assistants, GMs, everything mid season.

[Joe Budden]

But see, I don't think that the Steelers will let Aaron Rodgers have that power that the jets and the packers gave him.

[Melissa Ford]

Different brand organization.

[Joe Budden]

That's not going to work over here.

[Melissa Ford]

Not gonna fly over here. That's why I think he.

[Joe Budden]

Nor will Pickens and Metcalf. Let him come over there and just get to talk in any type of way.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's what's gonna be interesting.

[Joe Budden]

That's the movie. Metcalf and Pickens on the same team all season long. Yep. Book it. I might drive. I might drive to Pittsburgh. I might go to a game.

[Melissa Ford]

So somebody put a meme up and it was like the Steelers huddle, okay? We're running a halfback dive. And then it says Pickens and Metcalf down the field. They got both of them fighting, beating the shit out of the defenders. It's like. Like, dog, this is gonna be. If it work, it work. It's gonna be great. Yeah, I'm just waiting for the news, though, man. Cuz I said if.

[Joe Budden]

If.

[Melissa Ford]

If Aaron Rodgers comes, I'm going to the commanders.

[Parks]

Commanders been making some moves, too. They made some nice moves, Debo. They got Laramie Tunel from the Texans yesterday. And your. Your cousin's the offensive coach? Offensive line coach, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

He's assistant. Assistant.

[Parks]

But yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Pause.

[Parks]

Pause.

[Joe Budden]

But yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to C. They.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Melissa Ford]

They gunning for y'all.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I know, I know. That's what I hear. Eagles made a trade today, too, didn't they eagle.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

C.J. gardner Johnson.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Eagles already have. I think I said six players have already left.

[Melissa Ford]

For the defense, we got Slay.

[Parks]

Yeah. And Milton went to New England.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Melissa Ford]

We talking football. Xavier Worthy.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Parks]

This is a mess.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. This one is. This one's a little.

[Parks]

This kind of follows the accusation. Accusation.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Yes, it does chain from earlier.

[Melissa Ford]

So for those who don't know, I guess. Well, the way the news broke was Xavier Worthy was arrested.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

A DV accusation.

[Malcolm]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Excuse me. For dv. And then as more information came out, it wasn't him that was the.

[Ish]

The aggressor.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Melissa Ford]

That's the word.

[Ish]

The victim.

[Melissa Ford]

He was a victim.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Malcolm]

And. And the allegation was that the argument started because he broke up with her because she was cheating, right?

[Parks]

Correct. She caught him cheating, and then he. She started attacking him. Allegedly. This is all.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Parks]

He called the cops. Ignored. She called the cops. He gets arrested.

[Malcolm]

It's a nasty situation.

[Melissa Ford]

Asked how do we feel about that one?

[Joe Budden]

Chiefs was probably disappointed. Ain't normally how they. They do business. Yeah. The chief said, wait, you would have been him. You're cut the hell out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah, that was.

[Joe Budden]

That was a toxic little. That's a toxic little crew.

[Parks]

Yeah. They don't care.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, what's my man named to crash the Porsche and walked away like Superman?

[Parks]

Rash Rice.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Rashid Rice.

[Parks]

Tyreek had his fair share of incidents.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Tyreek. They didn't care. Andy Reid. Andy Reid, yeah. Shit. They cut Kareem Hunt and brought him back.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, man, can you play right? Can you get us a ring? My. That's all we care about. We'll clean up the other shit.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all gonna feel the Mahomes raft next season, buddy, for this loss.

[Melissa Ford]

You think so?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. For this super bowl loss? Yes.

[Ish]

I think any. Everybody gets.

[Joe Budden]

We cut ass all regular season and then was made to look like that in the Super Bowl. No, they too arrogant for that. They're not letting that. Right. No way.

[Ish]

Agreed.

[Malcolm]

I mean, the loss is a better team, though. It's gonna be tough.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think so. I agree with you. Yeah. I'm just talking about what the arrogance is gonna do.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, he might have a chip on the show this year.

[Joe Budden]

That's the last nigga you want to have a chip on the show.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, it's true. He's a monster.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We do have a part of the show. Someone named Daniel needs our help.

[Melissa Ford]

What's up, Dan? What's up?

[Joe Budden]

Daniel says so I'm a new father.

[Ish]

Congratulations.

[Malcolm]

Word don't get in the boat.

[Joe Budden]

My wife and I gave birth to our beautiful son named D.J. okay. At times, my wife and I go back and forth about our parenting skills. She says I'm being too hard on him because I let him cry sometimes. He likes to fight his sleep. And he's really attached to his mother to the point that I feel a certain way. The reason I'm not home as much is because I work two jobs to support my family. At the moment, my wife and I have started clashing about how I should be home more and be a better father. Like, if I stay home, we won't have a crib to live in. So, jbp, don't put pressure on us. Nigga, can you please help me on how I can better communicate with my wife life about being a better father and husband? Well, show her the bills. None. None. Better to help with that than an eviction notice. Yeah, show her the bills. Lay them out. Hey, let them come. Tape that little note to your door right there. That. That'll get it done. Hey, y'all got 12 days to be the out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

Let her walk in the house and.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Ish]

And click a switch.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, the lights off. If you. If he's working two jobs to support the household and you want him home more, then he can't work. Like, it's just simple math, cuz. There's the other option, but it's. I'm sound like an. If I say it, go ahead, go get a job.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, well, kids are a job.

[Malcolm]

Domestic labor is labor.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it. If he. If you want me home more and I am out working to get the financials to keep us afloat, take some of that burden off me, then I can be home more.

[Joe Budden]

My only problem with what he's saying is. And you gotta talk a lot of dads off this ledge, is the child having an attachment to the mom. Shouldn't be concerned an impediment on your fathering and your fatherhood. Like, moms play a role. It's a role that dad can't play, won't play. It's not possible. And dad plays a role. Y'all both have to have a role.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what it is.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like that's something that you want to encourage.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

It's not something you should look at with spite or resentment. Because if you get to the bottom of what your issue is, which is, hey, I'm not home. I'm paying These bills, trying to be the best dad I could be. Then that kind of aligns with the child having a pretty good bond with mom.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

So I don't want you to contradict your own point here in this. Like you want that. That's fire. No matter what me and my kids. Moms ever went through, I use my oldest because my youngest is my youngest. But no matter what we was going through, like, you want. I wanted him to love mom.

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Speak highly of Mom. Know that she'll be. And how you look at mom is how you gonna look at women.

[Ish]

Mm. Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Go on. So you want that relationship.

[Joe Budden]

You want your kid to have a healthy respect of women.

[Ish]

And mom, he mentions that she's got a problem with how much he lets their son cry and then mentions sleep training. I don't know this. Is there a general rule of thumb when it comes to sleep training? Yes. And letting them cry it out versus.

[Melissa Ford]

I would like to know how old the child. Child is. Because that. That's important here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

They said 10 months old. That's my boat.

[Joe Budden]

That's just the boat.

[Ish]

I kind of. Yeah, I got this. You get the feeling that the child is relative or new father.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's all he said. My wife and I could be. Fun name dj. At times we go back and forth about paying.

[Melissa Ford]

He didn't say at age.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, this is what I said. I mean, it cried out. Which is a fight that parents have all the time. I've had to argue with my wife too.

[Joe Budden]

Same.

[Malcolm]

You know what I mean? It's like, all right, come on, cry it out. According to studies, doesn't work. Right. Like, you're not supposed to cry it out. It also sends a message to kids that when they're emotionally vulnerable, no one's going to be there for them. They will stop crying at some point. But the question is, what does it do to them long term? Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Not at some point. When I go put this oatmeal. When I start mixing the food and the milk together, it's gonna put this noise.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's the other side. That's the other side. Like that quiet out shit. Cause I used to have that same argument.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

To cry it out. I still gotta sleep, so. No, let's. I. Cause she was my baby. Mom's was more of a. Yo, you gotta let her. Gotta let her cry a little bit. We can't just pick her up. Can't put her in the bed with you. I'm like, dog, I hear all that. That sound Good. But I gotta be up at six.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

So whatever puts her to sleep, I'm doing it because I have to. And my job was if I fall asleep behind a wheel, there's gonna be some people dying.

[Malcolm]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

So see that's where some patriarchy. See, we don't have the talks about topics where patriarchy comes in handy. Like for Lex, it was understood when he started crying, you get up, you wasn't getting up. No, I had to be to work at 6.

[Malcolm]

Oh, see, I had to be to.

[Joe Budden]

Work at 6 in the morning. I got it. It's not a shared responsibility at that point.

[Melissa Ford]

I.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you have to see, I have mine. I gotta get this rest. When he start crying, get your ass up. And when you need an emergency break, that's what I'll be for you. But this is not something that will be a shared responsibility for me.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, whatever. People's house, I don't judge themselves.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Malcolm]

For me, I still got up like I had to get up at 6:00am, 7:00am I still got, I was in charge of the overnight shift so.

[Joe Budden]

And still did phrase like that. So you got a heart in there somewhere.

[Malcolm]

Just not for free.

[Melissa Ford]

But see Mark, again it's different. Like I'm just using my example. I'm driving.

[Malcolm]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

No, so I can't be behind the wheel. Sleepy.

[Malcolm]

Yeah. That's just every situation.

[Melissa Ford]

It's very. Yeah, yeah.

[Malcolm]

But, but I think having the conversation about the parenting is always going to be. There's one parent that wants to be tougher and there's one parent that wants to be lighter. And you have to figure that out.

[Melissa Ford]

It has to be a middle.

[Malcolm]

Otherwise it's going to be, it's going to get ugly. You're going to start to resent it.

[Ish]

I'm also wondering if the reason why he, he's letting his child cry it out is because it's a boy child. I'm just wondering if that's like an a factor that might be playing into this.

[Malcolm]

Might be sometimes, sometimes that plays a role in people's minds.

[Joe Budden]

Put some gender into it.

[Ish]

No, I mean like it. Yeah, I mean like it goes back to the whole Nelly thing of, you know, my daughters can come home and stay for as long as they want, but my son's the, you know, tick.

[Melissa Ford]

Tick tock, you got to get up and go get it.

[Ish]

Exactly. And it's just like I think that that lends to what toxic masculinity actually is and not letting male children or like understanding that you need, your male children need comfort you know, and don't always need to be, you know, like, treated harshly because they're a man. You know what I'm saying?

[Malcolm]

They're two, right? Or three or four.

[Joe Budden]

Or one.

[Malcolm]

No, just.

[Ish]

But just, Just in general.

[Malcolm]

Like, my son is at a stage right now where he's whining a lot. He's a toddler, so he does toddlership. And I find it so fucking annoying. Like when he turns his back, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Like, shut the fuck up.

[Malcolm]

Like, whenever he's not looking at me. Cause I'd be so frustrated. Like, I'd be really frustrated. But he does this whining thing. And I suspect that if he were.

[Melissa Ford]

A girl, you'd have much more patience.

[Malcolm]

It would still irritate the shit out of me. Cause I hate whiners in general. In life, I hate whiners. But the fact that it's a boy, I know it. There's a part of me that is like, stop bitching. And I gotta constantly work through that. I don't say that to him, but I be thinking it sometimes. And I know it's like, he's two. It's not gender. It shouldn't be any of that. But I still have to work through that. And so that's some of the stuff you gotta think about. And again, work through in yourself.

[Melissa Ford]

You're absolutely right. Because I know with my daughter, she's five and that's all she does is wine, wine, wine, wine. My girls, three kids. And our kids are all in order. Five, six, seven, eight. They don't want her. They chill as shit. It's just my daughter that does this shit for every little thing. And I'm so. I hear, I get up and run because it's my baby girl.

[Malcolm]

And if that was a boy, and.

[Melissa Ford]

She be like, yo, you, she know you gonna do it.

[Joe Budden]

The kids will be in the garage with the little TV to show me what the fuck they got going. Yeah, that's it. They gonna get their own space somewhere.

[Melissa Ford]

All the way over there.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, these little babies wanna cry. We gonna ignore the fucking. Ignore the age restrictions on the lullaby speaker, which we not gonna get. The one that's for infants to two, we getting the five year old one. That nigga used to cry. Turn speaker up, turn up that lullaby, lullaby and go right back to bed.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What else? Some little tricks to get the baby to go back to bed.

[Melissa Ford]

Benadryl.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Hey, that's bad parenting.

[Joe Budden]

Them talks don't be had about parents be drugging the kids.

[Malcolm]

I know people to do brandy, whiskey, all that.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, when the kid's teething. Right on the gums. Right on the gums.

[Joe Budden]

Get that little is some Macallan, some McAllen 25. Hey, I know where to fix this.

[Melissa Ford]

Come here.

[Joe Budden]

Come here.

[Melissa Ford]

Take this. Louis the 13th real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, hey, hopefully we was able to help you, my brother.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. But had that talk with your. With your whiz man. Had that. Had that talk. Nothing beats. Beats a problem. Communication have healthy communication.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true. That's really it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, and with that said, I am going with a record by KWN featuring Kehlani. This record is called Worst Behavior. Kids night.

[Ish]

Know the club's meant to see you.

[Joe Budden]

But we got our own cut the.

[Melissa Ford]

Lies turn the B.

[Ish]

For the bed.

[Melissa Ford]

We don't need it sure as hell.

[Ish]

Go break it tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Know we been.

[Melissa Ford]

Excited.

[Joe Budden]

And I knew that you would get it right have me calling every night never getting over my mind I'mma turn into a sliver sl.

[Ish]

I'll make sure you satisfy me the.

[Joe Budden]

Record every night Cuz you do me so good thinking I can that is brand new music. Brand new music from KWN featuring Kehlani. That record is called Worst Behavior, available in your phone and on dsps right this very second.

[Parks]

That's hard.

[Melissa Ford]

That's good. Before I get to my sleeper. Did y'all hear that R. Kelly remixed Chris Brown's residuals?

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, cool.

[Joe Budden]

I was too to play it on the main.

[Melissa Ford]

We didn't get to it on page.

[Joe Budden]

But I gotta say it for the patreon.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it. I mean, say less.

[Joe Budden]

He really just wonder where his money at.

[Melissa Ford]

He wonder his residuals at.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he ain't talking to a girl. He's talking to labels.

[Melissa Ford]

With my gotcha who got my monies?

[Joe Budden]

Somebody making money off my catalog. Where is it? But you know they ain't giving you.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, we'll save it. So Jacques and dejelo put part two of their A Friend Zone mixtape out.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Eight years, I think, since the last one.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

So my sleeper is actually a part two of one of the better songs on the first one, which is called you still belong to somebody else. You still belong to somebody else.

[Joe Budden]

That's the name of this one. You still somebody else.

[Melissa Ford]

What you been up to for the last couple years?

[Joe Budden]

You know me, same old.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Ish]

It's in my world.

[Joe Budden]

What's going on in your world?

[Melissa Ford]

You tell me what's going on in your world.

[Malcolm]

I mean, so nice tonight.

[Melissa Ford]

Feeling good.

[Joe Budden]

I'm still picturing days with all the.

[Melissa Ford]

Us involved remember long nights I put.

[Joe Budden]

Love one car remember when I told myself I wouldn't get involved I still I still I still call your phone calling you.

[Melissa Ford]

Pick up the phone I'm.

[Malcolm]

Still way by the phone when you.

[Joe Budden]

Ready I still dial out your number.

[Melissa Ford]

Still texting it's been years you are.

[Joe Budden]

Still my distraction it's been years I.

[Melissa Ford]

Still find you attractive.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T care about your chicks I'm still in a mix.

[Melissa Ford]

And I want to tell you how.

[Joe Budden]

I felt still you belong to somebody.

[Melissa Ford]

Else yeah somebody else you still, you.

[Joe Budden]

Still you still to somebody else you still you still belong to somebody else I'm not in Atlanta.

[Ish]

Where you live.

[Joe Budden]

Like these days you still with your girl.

[Melissa Ford]

What that be like that was you still belong to somebody else off of Friend Zone two Jacques and dejelaf yo, it's. It's some shit on that mixtape, though. Yeah, I'm sure it is some shit on there.

[Joe Budden]

The song was absolutely fire. Imagine how this sound was some verses.

[Melissa Ford]

You know that's the new shit today.

[Joe Budden]

They rode the hook. That's good.

[Parks]

That's cool.

[Melissa Ford]

Gave him a him a verse and got up out of there.

[Joe Budden]

You want the strip club tonight?

[Melissa Ford]

N it's some on they tape though. Salute to them.

[Parks]

All right I'm going to go to my Guy Little Vic with 38 Special and Fashion and RJ Payne, this is Sana.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah you know, let's go huh huh now if I see that pain on my daughter face my heart will break instantly my son and my daughter seen a father make history even though I started late initially stacked up enough pipes and drums to orchestrate a symphony huh street ministry unique energy rapping and selling crack I'm that guy in each industry me and drugs got a deep chemistry flip a square into another square yeah convert complete symmetry huh you never see my enemies and my friends faces they feel y'all weirdo's energy and don't embrace it I'm still dealing with temptation but I stay away from that's basic that never been places outpatient impatient the only one in this gym with Louis Vuitton windbreakers a entertainer that's impatient but money motivated my gym trainer is tequila I bottled them by the leader them got pit for my posse got it for cheaper kamikaze I pull up and cotahita then park something right in your top flooded hate sua Saturn aquafina this Indonesia is indica not to tease fighter for freedom product of Bobby and mamiga heart of a lion can easily spot a Hyena man my dreams not to r of my team Follow the leaders my queen far from a camera she solid that's my KAD the follower of the profit who profited off a rea they tried to ban San like saying that he got sangria in Sicily shopping out of venea not a stack on me.

[Malcolm]

My pockets is full of visas rocking.

[Melissa Ford]

The tigra I'm probably with Vicarina he told me to meet him at luff trying to win a Cohiba It's.

[Malcolm]

It's disturbing to be this great I.

[Melissa Ford]

Deserve to wear a turban with virgins feeding me crepes Got an urgency for the cake last tried to stop me.

[Joe Budden]

Died with his eyes open he permanently.

[Melissa Ford]

Awake I'm determined to beat this hate it's real here they'll put you in a wheelchair that's courtesy of the Drake been in the booth working purposely till.

[Malcolm]

It'S late the only thing that's concerning me is the date still can't afford.

[Melissa Ford]

An attorney to beat their case but on my journey I'mma be out in Germany in the break I learned to see the mistakes my vision 2020 I don't wear a chain I'm trying to.

[Joe Budden]

Purchase re in the state everything real.

[Malcolm]

Couldn'T be further from being fake you listen to murder this third degree in his state I prefer to be in.

[Melissa Ford]

The space dangerous with the iron and I keep it underground cause the famous is dying Bang.

[Parks]

A Santeria by Little Vic featuring 38 Special and RJ Payne Fire with it Big Mel.

[Ish]

Mine is called Overqualified by Durand Bernard.

[Joe Budden]

Okay doer.

[Ish]

Talented artist yes.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a.

[Malcolm]

Little too self aware.

[Melissa Ford]

Love is a blessing and a curse When I care, I care I know finding good is.

[Joe Budden]

Real Cause it's impossible to look best.

[Melissa Ford]

What'S there just can't seem to get right.

[Joe Budden]

How am I over qualified?

[Melissa Ford]

How am I All that you need.

[Joe Budden]

I got overnight I'm over qualified I'm.

[Melissa Ford]

The with the mouth and stay doing.

[Joe Budden]

The most making sure you're comfortable See what happens when you do the work? Check. Does anybody have a reference?

[Melissa Ford]

Check.

[Malcolm]

Is anybody on their way to work yet? I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I've been waiting for you Just can't.

[Melissa Ford]

Seem to get right how the hell am I Sa will find me if.

[Joe Budden]

I'm who I get.

[Melissa Ford]

Huh?

[Malcolm]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

As Duran Bernard overqualified and his project is hard. And I'm only talking about his project being hard. I don't know what else is hard. I don't play it often cause if I put it on. Hide your. If I put that little slap right there. I got it. Niggas is getting bad.

[Melissa Ford]

You back in your DMs with it.

[Joe Budden]

Watch him out.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just. No, no, I ain't know what you was on no, I didn't know what.

[Joe Budden]

You was on no, I'm telling you what I'm on. No, no, the answer is no.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me. Fuck out of here.

[Parks]

Mark.

[Ish]

Mark.

[Parks]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I'm playing a little slap from the Black Panther 2 soundtrack.

[Malcolm]

This is from St. John's most recent album. Festival Season is called Fuck Being sad.

[Parks]

Oh, it's my shit.

[Joe Budden]

Too so sick.

[Melissa Ford]

And tired of waking up to peer pressure Stressed out, stressed out it's mess up I'm trying but being sad I've been going through it had some real bad months the city where I grew up I ain't been back once don't want to go to funerals with people that young I'm done so I just left Mama Cribby finally got me a cribble Found my own way to ballin and never learned how how to dribble first they like how I scrabble then they like how I scribble I paint my pictures with words I hope you notice the riddle Wish I was friends with my ex but her hottest and riddle she still hate me a little that's to hurt me a little you know I'm fresh out the ghetto all nights it's hard enough to put on a kettle I never fell inside Some days I don't even want to get dressed up Sick and tired of waking up to bed Press up up Stressed out, stressed out it's messed up I'm trying but being sad I've been going through it has some real bad months From a lack of affection on the train with my uniform I'll pack a weapon Cuz it could happen in seconds I don't be lacking I'm stepping that was back in no.10 thank God you track my progression I thought my father missing wouldn't affect the necessary Stressed out, stressed out is messed up I try right but being sad I've been going through it had some real bad ones the city where I grew up I ain't been bad once don't want to go to funerals for people that young I'm done to inside Some days I don't even want to get dressed up Sick and tired of waking up to peer pressure Stressed out, stressed out always mess up I'm trying to f inside man I've been going through it has.

[Joe Budden]

Some real bad marks.

[Melissa Ford]

The city where I grew up, I a B back once. Don't want to go to funerals for people that young. I'm done. So being sad.

[Parks]

That'S St. John being sad.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Parks]

Cuz. Being sad, you know?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Who wants that?

[Melissa Ford]

Feel like emo trap. Nervous.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Said all that and y'all got sad.

[Melissa Ford]

Look at y'all sad as.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's true. Right?

[Joe Budden]

Eating chips.

[Melissa Ford]

Same, same, same snack hour, man.

[Ish]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

You're right. About to go get my little meal prep. Prep. I ain't gonna hold you. This is the thing about meal prep. Right? When you get to the end is when it start cooking. Now I'm scraping the corners of the fucking meal prep.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't like that meal prep show. Cause it don't be enough.

[Malcolm]

That's the point.

[Melissa Ford]

That's the point. No, I know that's the point. That's why I don't like it too. I'm gonna need two feet. I can double it up.

[Malcolm]

That's the best thing. It's more important in the gym, man.

[Melissa Ford]

I keep hearing that they say you.

[Malcolm]

Can'T outrun your mouth.

[Melissa Ford]

I am not looking forward to starting this gym shit, bro.

[Malcolm]

Telling you it's gonna change your life.

[Melissa Ford]

I know I'm about to be fucked up.

[Parks]

Yeah. The first couple weeks is gonna be rough for you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

But once you get past that, it's.

[Joe Budden]

Gonna feel so good, though.

[Parks]

Yeah, it feels good.

[Melissa Ford]

Summer body loading.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna feel good. You're gonna like it.

[Parks]

Yeah, it does.

[Joe Budden]

Now, I'm not promising the summer body part. I know you over 20 years. And that one summer, did I see you and be like, you know what?

[Parks]

You're really body.

[Melissa Ford]

You bodying this shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Your body kind of body. We'll see, though. I just want to get in better shape.

[Malcolm]

That's it. That's about being healthy. That's all who cares about.

[Melissa Ford]

I can go buy some abs.

[Parks]

Can do that.

[Malcolm]

It's been done.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the rappers did it. Yeah, they was waiting for y'all. They was waiting on y'all to come in here and break down the. The Drake tweet.

[Parks]

What Drake tweet?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Parks]

I don't care.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, the Instagram.

[Malcolm]

I'm so Drake.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. Was it a.

[Melissa Ford]

Was it a music link attached to the tube? All right, then.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Let me know when that happens, all right.

[Joe Budden]

Some of the fan comments I get offended by. Oh, my God. I'm going to hit the 15 second skip button when Joe and them break down the drink set your ass up the did you you take us for up lose your button?

[Melissa Ford]

I belong to you. You belong to me.

[Joe Budden]

You're never gonna come clean about what was going on in that Cisco tour, huh? I've been asking you that for a few months. You won't tell me.

[Ish]

Come clean like what?

[Joe Budden]

Like what was you doing? I keep seeing footage go around of you on the Cisco tour with my girl. My girl globe big glow.

[Ish]

I was dancing.

[Joe Budden]

Look at Mark.

[Malcolm]

Look at Mark face. I forgot people can see it.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, listen man, keep us in your prayer. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you Ado farewell adios to Reba Diri Asta la vista arvois. So long about. A simple head nod will suffice. Remember life is a series of moments. And boy do moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And lastly, the baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel. When the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Hey everybody. Anybody got any interesting plans this week? Anything going on this week that I may be able to exploit for entertainment purposes? Hey, is anybody going to dance on a tour? Huh? Come on, give me something. Give me something. God willing. All right. Nothing popping this week. Nothing popping this week. Enjoying the weather, mellow vibe.

[Melissa Ford]

Told you. Just starting the gym, bro. That's, that's. That's enough for me.

[Parks]

I'm going start gardening.

[Malcolm]

Got to get this money.

[Joe Budden]

That's funny. I might take the COVID off one of these cars and pick a highway.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Just go drive and drive my stupid ass back home. Ain't nothing else to do.

[Melissa Ford]

Just can't wait for that 60 degree to hit.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm just trying to explore other avenues of fun. I'm trying to get outside of the normal normalcy.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm so. Hey, I'm waiting on the either bowling or escape room too, man.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you know it's coming.

[Melissa Ford]

I am 1000% down.

[Joe Budden]

It is coming. Trying to let my body heal up for the bowling.

[Melissa Ford]

Me and my girl went bowling.

[Parks]

My thumb still up a little bit.

[Melissa Ford]

Me and my girl went bowling. I bow like a 73, you know, something light.

[Malcolm]

First.

[Joe Budden]

First game and you bowled a seven. 73.

[Melissa Ford]

That was my first game in at least 12 years.

[Ish]

Oh, wow. What she bowl?

[Melissa Ford]

83 the first game.

[Ish]

Girl power.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, y'all can't go bowling with me.

[Melissa Ford]

Nah, that's what I'm getting.

[Joe Budden]

That is absolutely disgusting. Listen, fam, I mean, it's better than what it said. It's going in with his girl. He let her bowl to 275.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh yeah. No, that's not happening. Yeah, no, that's not happening. I pull the bumpers out before that happened. Yeah, bother put no. 2 nothing up on me.

[Malcolm]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, watch this.

[Joe Budden]

That is hilarious though. Ain't no good movies out or nothing if you bored at home on Netflix. They got. They got some on Netflix, but it's funny. I don't even remember the name of it, so let me. Shut up.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what the. I was watching. You just said Netflix and may remember.

[Joe Budden]

Some stupid show that's like a. A spoofamentary of Genie, Buck Bus and the Lakers and the team is called the Waves. That show is fun.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't watch it. I saw the previous.

[Joe Budden]

It's funny. It's cheesy.

[Melissa Ford]

Running point.

[Parks]

Running point.

[Joe Budden]

Running point.

[Malcolm]

Say less.

[Joe Budden]

It is actually a well, well, well written show. And they really, really funny. Oh, I mean, they are really funny in that whatever it is what I watched on Netflix. What?

[Melissa Ford]

Beauty in Black?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Malcolm]

Oh, I'm.

[Melissa Ford]

That's all I'm gonna say.

[Malcolm]

It's on my list.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. What? Beauty and Blair.

[Malcolm]

That's all you need to know.

[Melissa Ford]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't support him. I don't support him.

[Melissa Ford]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I been supporting him for years.

[Malcolm]

It's a Patreon conversation, man. Cuz that's anti black.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

What he's doing on them shows.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, it is him not supporting him.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, well, we going to have a.

[Joe Budden]

Conversation on Patreon, right? Yeah. That's where I see some other anti black going on.

[Melissa Ford]

This is bugging all in.

[Joe Budden]

So when you. All right, y'all hold it down. We going till next time. Just remember all the things you said before. Take no time fall back, let it go. We believe it.