Episode 918 | "The Friendship Show"

Summary

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The Joe Budden Podcast | Episode 918: "The Friendship Show" (April 8, 2026)

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Episode Overview

Episode 918 of The Joe Budden Podcast, titled "The Friendship Show," blends signature irreverent humor, barbershop camaraderie, and sharp cultural critique. The crew—Joe Budden, Queens Flip, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, Ish, Big Freeze, and Parks—lean hard into both genuine and comedic "friendship vibes," riffing off a recent Patreon episode that Joe missed. They discuss everything from personal family stories, gun violence in hip hop, gambling addiction, latest happenings in sports and music, to Brandy’s book and the viral Jay Electronica concert incident, all seasoned with jokes, arguments, and inside group dynamics.

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Main Themes & Segments

1. Friendship Energy
   Timestamps: 01:06–07:24; 16:28–18:15

   • The crew promises positive, “friendship vibes,” referencing past episodes and current energy in the room.
   • Recurring inside jokes about the harmony (and chaos) of their group dynamic.
   • Discussion of camaraderie, group identity, and embracing each other’s quirks.

   Quote:
   "Power of friendship." — Joe Budden (06:30)

2. Joe’s Family Weekend & Tourette's Story
   Timestamps: 08:25–13:48

   • Joe recounts his weekend spent at a 90th family birthday, including a lighthearted story about his stepson's Tourette's and managing it around family gatherings and public spaces.
   • The story transitions into a humorous rant about the chaos of going clothes shopping with a large, blended family.

   Memorable Moment:
   Joe details going “to Ross” for swim trunks and dealing with his stepson's anxiety and tics around white crowds; the group riff about the state of discount department stores.

   Quote:
   "My family done seen it all, heard it all, done it all, and there's enough lunatics… Companionship ain't my family's problem." — Joe Budden (09:03–09:55)

3. Hip Hop Gun Violence — Offset & Lil Tjay Altercation
   Timestamps: 29:23–46:30

   • Breaking down the shooting involving Offset and Lil Tjay after a casino altercation over an alleged $10,000 debt.
   • The crew examines how minor disputes escalate in dangerous ways and reflect on personal experiences with violence.
   • Extensive discussion about how gambling addiction exacerbates these issues, referencing text threads and public responses.

   Quotes:

   • "You could have caught a body for 10 grand. Your lawyer fee is gonna be in the millions." — Flip (31:21)
   • "The gambling is serious. I would hate to be gambling, again, in my bag, be down a million, and when I leave trying to get my car or some shit, you shoot me in my ass." — Joe Budden (33:57)

4. Addictions, Betting, & Friendship Bets Timestamps: 46:46–54:53

   • The guys unpack their own habits gambling at casinos, with confessions of big losses and the group teasing each other about debts.
   • Joe and Mark make a $50 wager to see if Joe can maintain the “friendship” energy throughout the pod.

   Quote:
   "This room has my full support in any area that you might… may be struggling at. Listen, call me sometimes when you in the grips. All right?" — Joe Budden (45:19)

5. Music: Festival Drama & Kanye West’s Accountability
   Timestamps: 74:08–91:41

   • Recap of Kanye’s recent live show success (with Lauryn Hill guesting) and the subsequent cancellation of his Wireless Festival UK performance due to sponsor backlash over past antisemitic (and anti-Black) statements and Nazi references.
   • Complex, deeply nuanced and sometimes heated conversation about mental health, public accountability, cancel culture, and Black communities’ differing standards for forgiveness vs. white corporations'.
   • Mark Lamont Hill pushes for more substantive accountability from Ye, citing the broader history of his public statements and black communities’ reaction versus the reaction to his antisemitic comments.

   Quotes:

   • "I’m disturbed a little bit by how quickly we forgive. Which is why I was so excited to see the wireless festival... It's like everybody’s not forgiving them that much. You know when they say, well, you're not even allowed in the U.K..." — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (77:45–78:19)
   • "If you were already knowing that you were going to do these things and now to, to, to… it's like when a comedian gets in trouble now they got to go back on the road… now I'm gonna go address these fuck-ups so I can hit y’all with this new [music]. Because I know people not gonna gravitate to it unless I apologize to the mess. It looks disingenuous." — Flip (84:07)

6. Hip Hop Versus Debates – Jay-Z vs Kanye West Timestamps: 94:22–100:57

   • The room debates song-for-song who would win in a hypothetical Verzuz battle: Jay-Z or Kanye West.
   • Each member picks sides on specific song matchups (e.g., “Do It Again” vs “Champion,” “Song Cry” vs “Devil in a New Dress”).
   • Consensus: Jay might win at 20 or 30 songs, but Kanye’s catalog could overtake in a marathon.

   Quote:
   "Kanye wins if it goes to 50… anything under 40, I got Jay." — Joe Budden (99:34–99:36)

7. Sports: NCAA Women’s & Angel Reese Trade Timestamps: 63:54–73:49

   • Recap and critique of Geno Auriemma’s post-loss conduct vs Dawn Staley after the NCAA Women’s championship.
   • Angel Reese trade to the Atlanta Dream discussed as a win-win and a strategic shift in WNBA dynamics.

   Quote:
   "Part of knowing how to win is knowing how to lose." — Joe Budden (66:55)

8. Jay Electronica’s Controversial Concert Timestamps: 103:00–115:19

   • The crew discusses Jay Electronica’s near-comical performance where he rapped most songs acapella, provoking crowd boos, which he met head-on.
   • Reflections on crowd/artist dynamics, expectations in live hip hop, and Joe’s own experience getting booed.

   Quote:
   "Every rapper's been frustrated at a show. I'm not clowning him for that. I'm clowning him walking in the crowd with it." — Joe Budden (108:41)

9. Brandy’s Memoir and Rodney Jerkins Drama Timestamps: 134:06–147:53

   • Discusses revelations from Brandy’s memoir—her creative fallout with Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins and the pain of seeing “their sound” given to Beyoncé and others.
   • The group debates creative partnerships, how producers may reserve “the pack” for bigger artists, and when taking responsibility for failed collaborations is warranted.

   Quotes:

   • “You can’t take credit for some shit and then take the credit back when it doesn’t apply to you.” — Big Freeze (137:20)

10. Trick Daddy at the AKA Convention Timestamps: 119:54–133:32

    • Trick Daddy is kicked off stage at a sorority event for performing unedited tracks; the group discusses booking logic, audience fit, and performance culture.

11. Assorted: Artemis 2, Missing News Stories, & Fill-in-the-Blank Games

    • Quick bites: Artemis 2 moon mission, Savannah Guthrie’s family situation, playful “fill in the blank” segments about R&B artists, and back-and-forth over Instagram thirst traps.
    • Frivolous fun rounds out the pod, with camaraderie surviving plentiful ribbing.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Friendship & Rivalry

• "You want to be negative on them. The energy up." — Joe Budden (03:28)
• "I don't call myself a good friend." — Joe Budden (52:40)

On Gambling & Friendship

• “You ready to start the show?”
• "Let's get it." — Joe Budden & crew (07:54–07:56)
• “This room has my full support in any area that you might…may be struggling at. Listen, call me sometimes when you in the grips.” — Joe Budden (45:19)

On Hip Hop & Lives at Risk

• "You could have caught a body for 10 grand. Your lawyer fee is gonna be in the millions!" — Flip (31:21)
• "Even once you got enough money to get away from what we trying to escape, these niggas just be still doing dumb...it’s kind of crazy." — Flip (30:56)

On Jay Electronica Concert

• “Every rapper's been frustrated at a show...I'm not clowning him for that. I'm clowning him [for] walking in the crowd with it.” — Joe Budden (108:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:06: Show kicks off with "Friendship Show" energy
• 08:25: Joe’s family weekend & Tourette’s story
• 29:23: Offset/Lil Tjay shooting recap & gambling discussion
• 63:54: NCAA Women’s recap, Geno/Dawn incident, Angel Reese trade
• 74:08: Kanye live, Wireless festival drama & accountability talk
• 94:22: Jay-Z vs Kanye Verzuz debate
• 103:00: Jay Electronica concert fiasco
• 119:54: Trick Daddy at AKA Convention
• 134:06: Brandy book & Rodney Jerkins creative beef

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Tone & Group Dynamics

• The tone swings between playful, confrontational, and thoughtful, but always returns to “friendship” and authentic group honesty.
• The pod is filled with mutual roasting, periodic earnestness, and debates that don’t shy away from difficult cultural questions, always landing back in camaraderie.

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Summary Takeaway

Episode 918 is a quintessential “friendship pod”—unpredictable, at times chaotic, but relentlessly engaging and insightful. Listeners are treated to inside jokes, big-picture music industry conversation, hip hop gossip, real talk on mental health and violence, and a steady reminder that in this corner of podcasting, friendship is sometimes tough love, sometimes righteous clowning, but always real.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Flip]

You press the button.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Welcome to episode 419. That's

[Flip]

where the are you at, yo?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You missed them watching paradise.

[Joe Budden]

Too much myself. No, 419 was beef. 419 was leading up to smoke. Welcome to 18 nine hundreds and nines. Look kind of 18.

[Big Freeze]

There we go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode nine hundred and eighteen of the Joe Button Podcast. I'm Joe Budden and we're going to have an amazing time today. Positive energy and positive vibes. Friendship vibes. Like the Villanova College players that are currently on the Knicks, the power of friendship will prevail today. So we're getting finger popped and let's flip. Nah, we ain't doing that unless ish professor walking in. We're not doing that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry, what are you.

[Ish]

Yo, why you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not how you start friendship.

[Flip]

So who divincenzo?

[Ish]

Oh, this is.

[Joe Budden]

Who's loaded? That's loaded.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good question.

[Joe Budden]

No one's even Denzo and my paper there. How's everybody doing? It's good to see everybody. It's good to be back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good. I'm glad you said friendship vibes too, because when you keep the momentum going from the last episode, the patreon, was

[Joe Budden]

it a really good patreon?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I saw it. I love it.

[Big Freeze]

A group of friends.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love friends. The energy was flowing. Everyone was participating. People felt heard. People felt seen and valued and respected.

[Joe Budden]

I want to keep that going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, we on friendship today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah.

[Ish]

No. Hey, why you do that though? Why would something get popping when you not like you just come back and try to add on to it. No, they had they vibes without us, boy. Accept it. They had their vibes without us. They a need us to be vibe. Obviously me and you was a thorn in these.

[Joe Budden]

No, see, see. No. Me and you. Me and you group you with. But I don't want to be.

[Ish]

I don't want to be neither.

[Joe Budden]

But it's the truth. No, you want to be. Give that the chain, boy. I want a. I want a group of harmony. And watching them do have a sit

[Ish]

in the seat and act like some without me.

[Joe Budden]

Not only did I thoroughly enjoy that Patreon episode.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Check it Out. In case you missed it, Push rod, Push pod, toilet, sword. Right there on the Patreon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Disrespected.

[Flip]

That's what they named it.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You said push pod. I thought you're being funny.

[Joe Budden]

No, push rod. Oh, I made it fly. And y', all. You know what? See.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See what he's doing?

[Big Freeze]

Very friendly your own way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Button, bro.

[Ish]

Yo, bro, let them have they. We don't need that, boy. Let them have it.

[Joe Budden]

You wanna be negative on them. The energy up.

[Ish]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Flip]

I saw the clips.

[Joe Budden]

You wanna up some of this?

[Flip]

I saw the clips.

[Ish]

I was hating.

[Joe Budden]

I could be coerced.

[Ish]

I was hating on your ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think much.

[Ish]

Parks is right here. Y' all was looking too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Parks was fluent.

[Ish]

I'm like, look at my man Parks.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Subscribe to the Patreon, man. A group of friends.

[Big Freeze]

A group of friends.

[Flip]

A group of friends, man.

[Big Freeze]

That's what this pod was built on. It's friendship.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Friendship.

[Joe Budden]

Friendship.

[Ish]

Hey, yo, fuck y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I was in Trinidad.

[Ish]

Like, look at these ass. Look at them smiling and laughing. They talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She was.

[Ish]

She was good. I saw her in the airport.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You saw her more in the airport? We saw the video. She was. She was good. I got Instagram.

[Ish]

You sure you got Instagram?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. On your sh.

[Flip]

Y was in the maha.

[Joe Budden]

Excuse me.

[Flip]

Y' all was in the Mile High.

[Ish]

No, we wasn't in the Mile High, man. I'm just saying. No, I saw Nyla Blackman before that, and I saw in the airport shout out to Nyla Blackman. You know what I'm saying? She said, I'm not being an allegation. She watched the podcast and, you know. But shout out to her, man. I was happy. Whatever allegations that you throw out there, she said that always says that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You play music a lot?

[Ish]

Nah, Joe be throwing some. Joe throws a lot of allegations.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But how was Trinidad, though?

[Ish]

Trinidad was great, man. You know, we gave back to the community, got a lot of support from the country, and it was. It was just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How much support?

[Flip]

Community support.

[Ish]

How much support?

[Flip]

A lot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot.

[Ish]

A lot of support from the community, for sure.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's important.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's very important.

[Ish]

And it's important to give back, man, and just show people that, you know, you're here to support them and put, you know.

[Flip]

Where were you? Laventille.

[Ish]

I was in St. Paul.

[Flip]

Oh, you ain't go to Laventhel?

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm with the Laventille. Yeah, shout out to them over there, too. I'm gonna do something over there, too. Next.

[Joe Budden]

He don't be nowhere dangerous. He just write that in the caption. The most dangerous place.

[Flip]

Them niggas would have flipped.

[Joe Budden]

You knock it off.

[Big Freeze]

I saw him doing some gun shit.

[Ish]

The reason why I don't want to put guns on there because, like, the Christmas list, dude, he got charged by the country for sedition, so you can't. If you show any guns in videos, you. You get in trouble. I'm not even trying to participate in that. I'm trying to show another side of the community, a positive side. So they show me a lot of love over there. Shout out to St. Paul. Shout out to Johnny Bravo.

[Joe Budden]

Why you don't come over here and be positive?

[Flip]

What do you mean, why you don't give a wife to the people?

[Joe Budden]

You cursed Ish out. You cursed me out. You told Mark he's sleeping.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nyu.

[Joe Budden]

Nyu, colleges. Like, why you can't bring some of

[Flip]

that good positive energy?

[Ish]

Imagine sleeping at the desk at NYU like a bird.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but treat us like you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you don't treat me like Trinidad Chinatown. Like, you go over there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ohio.

[Ish]

Yeah, that was a little scary.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not scared.

[Joe Budden]

He act like that with us because we. We jump.

[Ish]

That's what it is. No, listen, I love y', all, man. I mean, if it wasn't for y', all, man, I wouldn't have the energy that I have now. Coming in this building and seeing y' all just have beautiful faces makes me excited.

[Joe Budden]

Power of friendship.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, that's right. Friendship vibe is all about friends here.

[Joe Budden]

Pos I can't wait. I can't believe y' all waited till I was going to be gay. Everybody started sharing their gay experience.

[Big Freeze]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Parks got bagged by a Ish. Got bagged by his professor. Mark got bagged again. This was the difference, though. You just got bagged a couple times. He don't even realize that he talks so much for a living. Why y' all don't do that shit when I'm here and be gay?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not a safe place.

[Ish]

It's not a safe space, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, man.

[Big Freeze]

It's all right, man.

[Joe Budden]

It's that same man FA was saying about me.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, all right.

[Ish]

Save two.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, man, Save two, Right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, back at it. Yo, I don't know how long I'm keep this friendship going. I'mma try it, though. He had to throw that. No, I am going to try. Right? Freeze. It's a long broadcast. That should be cool for. Hey, they didn't keep it going long either. After two hours, they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What y' all think before. After prize picks.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. I can make it the product.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think you can make it to prize.

[Flip]

I think. I think you can get right after prospects.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think you can get negative time. Watch. I guarantee you I can make it

[Joe Budden]

a project for sure. Okay, that's an hour.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know how long it is.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you, I can be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I know you.

[Joe Budden]

I can be a friend to the. What's the wager?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

50 bucks.

[Joe Budden]

I'll take it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Done.

[Joe Budden]

Anybody else?

[Ish]

No.

[Big Freeze]

You got it, bitch.

[Joe Budden]

I got that, bitch.

[Ish]

You got back to.

[Flip]

No, I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

You ready to start the show?

[Big Freeze]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get it.

[Flip]

Yo, dawg.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What up?

[Ish]

Ish.

[Flip]

Nothing. Am I. Yeah, I'm just waiting for you to.

[Ish]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

I thought you said your dog. I did to me.

[Ish]

Yeah, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you think?

[Flip]

Yo, what.

[Joe Budden]

You all.

[Ish]

Are you all right, bro?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sick of you Good. You went back to the.

[Ish]

You good, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought you was

[Ish]

around the family.

[Joe Budden]

Say that to me. Are you playing?

[Ish]

I thought you was around the family.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Ish]

It was beautiful, bro. It's. You still here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You went back to the water.

[Ish]

Oh, that was Shout out to you, though. Y. I was on your page. I saw your family. That was beautiful, yo.

[Joe Budden]

It was.

[Ish]

I love that whole thing and the message you wrote, man. Shout out to you. Shout out to the buddy.

[Joe Budden]

That was hard. That's why I'm a little out of it, to be honest with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That.

[Joe Budden]

That's what it is. Every time these kids.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

These kids killed let turn up.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Anyway, I ain't gonna start like that, but it was great. It was great to see all the family, Cousins and aunts and I got a lot my. That was. They did these T shirts that I talked about on Instagram where my aunt Catherine was like, made it to 90 or I'm there at 90. And then my aunt Lou said, I've been there. And then my next aunt said, preparing for. And then like, all these teachers. Yeah, that was flying on some.

[Ish]

That's dope.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Flip]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

So I didn't realize that, like, my Uncle Hazel's 88 uncle. Yeah, this is. These are my grandfather's siblings. So my grandfather. They was deep. So they. The ones that had all the fucking kids. Yeah, they. They. They. That was. It was beautiful. My girl, her kids, and so I'm like, perfect. Great. If there's one place in the world that my girl son's Tourette's won't be a problem. It's my family's house. Because my family done seen it all, heard it all, done it all, and there's enough lunatics. So I'm sitting there wishing that a Tourette's motherfucking outbreak happened. I'm waiting for it. My whole failure we deep ain't nobody compassion of mine.

[Flip]

I'm pushing to do it. I'm pushing.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead through the shit you be doing.

[Ish]

Doesn't happen when he gets angry.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, when you get nervous.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got a trigger on you. Yeah, come on.

[Ish]

But that's a good thing.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, do it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of people here, you don't know.

[Joe Budden]

So it only almost came once. So we started biting my girl's hair on the food line to calm it down. And then the fucking full Tourette's outbreak never came. I said, fuck, my family ain't get to see it. So fine, we leave there and I'm like, bet we gonna go get in the pool back at the hotel. I need trunks. Let's go to Walmart. My girl got a bright idea. Say we ain't got to go to Walmart. That's further down. Let's go to Ross. Some poor people.

[Ish]

What's wrong?

[Joe Budden]

It was a bunch of bullshit in that Ross I was in. There was a mess down there. I'm talking about the one I went to.

[Flip]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Budden]

I've never been to Ross.

[Flip]

No, I'd be.

[Joe Budden]

Not when I was down south.

[Flip]

It's like marshalls. T.J. maxx.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I guess it was like that.

[Joe Budden]

Just left organized.

[Flip]

It's the same. It's the same.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't organized.

[Big Freeze]

Some of the TJ Maxx's and Marshalls do not be organized depending on where you at.

[Joe Budden]

See, I've never seen an unorganized Marshalls. Yeah, privilege. Well, I'm priv. New Jersey Marshall.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no.

[Flip]

Suburban New Jersey Marshalls. Some of them should be a mess.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, in the hood they'd be Paco

[Flip]

Jeans and all that.

[Joe Budden]

We going raw. All the kids gotta come to. It's the. The. My twin brothers, her kid, her daughters. Like when you got all these kids everywhere you go, the kids want to come. Yeah, yeah. Stay in the car and under the heat.

[Flip]

Are you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They're clingy like that.

[Flip]

No, they not smart. I'm with my rich brother. I might see some throw that on the counter too. Is you crazy?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'd be everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, so the heat exhaustion. Shit. I Tried, didn't work. So we go. I park right under the sun. All these niggas get out the car. All right, bet we going, Ross. I'm just trying to pick up some swim trunks. Long story. Less long. I look at my man, he start getting. Nigga Ross is full of white people,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

yo.

[Joe Budden]

All the white people, yo, and a couple. And they know me a little bit. Oh, shit. Jump off. Hey, what's up, Joe? Look, I see my man doing. They're doing a Thriller. And sure enough, as soon as we get on the blind to pay for these trucks, I'm telling my girl, hey,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

get them out of here or do something. Everybody.

[Joe Budden]

My man, though.

[Flip]

But yo, you are an idiot.

[Joe Budden]

And he grew since the last time he did that. So he about six two now. Yeah, they gonna shoot he was taller the other day. She told myself, oh, he has the card on him that said. I said, he need a T shirt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That Cardi would do nothing. Go try to reach for it.

[Joe Budden]

Reach for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yo, you crazy?

[Ish]

We gotta discuss that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to fuck outta Ross.

[Ish]

So obviously around your family, he felt comfortable. Around a bunch of black people, he felt comfortable, he felt good. But when he gets to town, yeah, he was in Ross. He thought it was about to go down.

[Joe Budden]

That Ross shit. I'm never going back to Ross. It ain't happening.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Has there any been.

[Ish]

Has there ever been a spot that you thought that was a, let's say a broke spot that you went through?

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't really. In real life, I don't think like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Ish]

That you went to that impressed you. You went to a spot that you never imagined going in, but when you went there, it impressed you. Like it could be a restauran, like an Olive Garden or some.

[Joe Budden]

That you ever been the man. Mom and Pops that have impressed.

[Ish]

Mom and Pops are not all, you

[Joe Budden]

know, I mean, but like, I'm talking about independently owned, family owned businesses that are impressive. Got you a bunch of them. Ross, though, I ain't gonna make it here.

[Ish]

You got the shorts though.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got. Then we get home. Then we get home. They supposed to leave on Thursday. So I say to my girl, yo, my last Knicks ticket is Thursday, Celtics. It's a big game.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Know what she said?

[Flip]

So take them with you.

[Joe Budden]

She said, oh, you know what?

[Flip]

I think it'd be a great idea.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you bring Niam to the next game? I know it. I said, without you? Yeah, I think that'll be great. A bonding.

[Flip]

Bonding moment.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

What do I do if he start doing. If he hit the move at the nickel game.

[Big Freeze]

You just got to join in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good idea. They just be the.

[Joe Budden]

It's word. Yeah, word. I don't know. We'll think about it. We'll see what's going on.

[Ish]

You should bring him, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I might.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You should because I feel that's a great idea.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not doing this.

[Flip]

It's a great idea.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Make sure.

[Joe Budden]

I might bring it on.

[Ish]

Make sure you wear a shirt.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm gonna have a shirt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He got it.

[Joe Budden]

If he start wilding. Let's have a good time. Let's have a good time in here, man.

[Flip]

Friends.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Friends. Is that funny?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not with Mark today. I'm keeping it up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pause doing a thriller.

[Joe Budden]

Because you can see it coming before it comes with like when it's about to happen. They get. It's a look and then they gotta go get ice and like it's a thing. That's why I don't understand that the awards, they know that was about to start wilding. He was doing something to let it be known this is coming. This is gonna. But whatever.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Anyway, he happy to be amongst friends. Let's have some fun, man.

[Ish]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

M check 1, 2, 1, 2.m check 1, 2, 1st, 2.

[Big Freeze]

Hey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Big Jersey. Whenever I'm in the building, whenever we in the building, Queens is here too. I guess they don't. I guess. I mean I guess they somewhere in the buildings. Queens is in the bathroom. Oh, yeah. I Queen. Queen's in the building. Rest in peace, Apache. Oh, new york city. What's going on out there? Yeah, I'm jersey. That I ain't going to lie. I am. What up, boy? Vinny. What's good, kg? What's good? Ho. Naughty.

[Ish]

Some get a little and some get none.

[Flip]

So catch a bad one and some

[Joe Budden]

leave the job half done. Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Shout out to all the subgroups out there. All the patron, whole dmv.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What up, Boston?

[Joe Budden]

What up out there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What up, New Orleans?

[Joe Budden]

Got the Oprah levels right. You was out there having a blast, boy. Eating, drinking, music n it look like fun vibes. You made me want to go.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, you should go the food alone.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the food.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Best food city in the world.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Not even questioning what's better. What's better?

[Flip]

Ain't nobody fucking with new wall in school.

[Big Freeze]

Not at all.

[Flip]

I'm trying to think who close?

[Big Freeze]

Nothing's close.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to say something contrast man getting me started you never been oh.

[Flip]

What you know oh wild enough to

[Ish]

touch the naughty nasty, nasty the nasty

[Joe Budden]

nasty ho happy pappy. That's happy to be pappy.

[Flip]

Me and Ben rock wins.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fought 10 flocks and groups and troops with timber boots and jail suits that's

[Flip]

how I roll in my head through

[Joe Budden]

dirt when a will I got more

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

in competition it ain't dope beat your break you broke your smoke and take it send you to your little group

[Flip]

on mute sooner or later you want a flip tell him full send me

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

half with a dip then all that

[Joe Budden]

other ring with brother Sporty naughty hypocrisy. Shout out to all the podcasters out there, all the entrepreneurs out there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nine is out there.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody on spring break. Here we go.

[Ish]

Hey, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, let's get this moving for a minute. Whole Jersey City what up? Shout out to my old albage crew. Y' all know what it is, man. Hey, what up, Newark? What up, though?

[Flip]

Hit the safe occasion to switch to cold hovering sneaker pounds to cuss the drug hounds now to rob your neighborhood wall bounds me and my man jumping out some dance tapping your jaw like Sugar Ray did get rid execute like walls in with Brute 22 inch rims with garage shoot out the lead school the rhythm hit her without the venom and the venom scanner pull out the jump let it out dark style your girl smoking them out I been had

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

a dem

[Flip]

whip straight up cash out the car lot Clorox support knocks to your car swat right off your air force silver dare switch compared to boy give you primal feel if you don't throw the click then you smoke. You're playing death squad from the Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what it's.

[Flip]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

I was in the clubs when this was out. This was a moment. This is one of the better moments back then. Oh, Shaolin, what up out there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Closing down the sector supreme neck protector. Better one again, Mr. Mercedes.

[Joe Budden]

What year was this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Five.

[Joe Budden]

Hell, no.

[Big Freeze]

2000. Maybe 99 that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, earlier. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Quarter of a century ago.

[Joe Budden]

That's why it came out in 03. I was trying to get an album out these. Talking about Red and meth are doing album. Oh, brother, Always have attitude. We got a great show lined up for y' all today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So happy to be back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean, this came on when

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I went to Buffalo.

[Joe Budden]

While I wake up. Yes, y', all, it's the one and only.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What up?

[Joe Budden]

And I came to have fun here, homie. What up? And I came with ton of money, but don't get it twisted the gun is on me this chick's with a

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

man fronting on me I'll holler at her.

[Joe Budden]

What she done with homie? Jump off. Got a ton of groceries One named Tasha, one named Monique she got a

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Googie room with a Jacob Ice she

[Joe Budden]

stay up nice and she give me braids the way I lie. Real late when the kids are sleeping

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Keep the season, no more BS music Watch and learn. See us do this, reach this new shit, playboy. I keep exclusives to make Juicy less human.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in there, but I have Rod Digger queued up. I'mma end that. Cause we got some work to do. But we could have kept that going for a little bit. Let me get these drops out the way real quick. Me?

[Flip]

Who is that?

[Ish]

Don't do it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm in the building.

[Ish]

That's it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't do no drop for me.

[Ish]

It's Queens. Flip, I'm here.

[Joe Budden]

Tell them. Where you from?

[Ish]

I'm from Queens.

[Big Freeze]

That wasn't coordinated.

[Joe Budden]

I'm from Queensland. That's it. Do it without us interrupting.

[Ish]

Do it again.

[Joe Budden]

Like, do it clean.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm from Queens.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Big Freeze]

That's solid.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the delay will make. Yeah, yeah, we'll make that clean. You know what I mean? Welcome to episode 918 of the Joe Button podcast. I'm brought to you by Fueled by Powered by Sponsored by Prize Picks. Prize Picks, gang. You. I'm your humble, gracious, great, grateful, extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people to my right. You know the vibes. Queens get the money. Queens Flip is in the building next to him. Our good Brother Philly's finest, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building next to him. Stop playing with a Mr. Thousand Doors and up. King Wah Wah himself. Ish is in the building next to him. You notify Mr. Taker further himself. The freeziest of them all. Big Freeze in the building next to him. Potter of the month. Our current potter of the month, Elmyra's finest mixer, producer extraordinaire, Grammy nominated Big Parks in the building next to him. Come on, man. You see them pictures being crispier than ever? You see the thumbnails killing these other YouTube channels? White Poe in the building, thirsty as hell, hitting PO for them jade pictures. He said, damn, let me get home first.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what you said.

[Big Freeze]

I don't think you were.

[Joe Budden]

No, Mark. He didn't say that. Troublemaker.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Can we keep the friendship behind Jesus.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I want 50 bucks.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Yeah, but you got. I'm gonna keep it going. I have to violate if you to get the 50.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm gonna bait you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I see what you're doing here. Our good brother Corey is in the building house. How are things? Still going strong? I've been away for a weekend, so I don't know. Going strong. I saying big St. Martin vibe. Stop playing. You bought the leopard swim trunks yet? Match some head ass magic, man. You know what time it is? Tanner and Savon hereby remote. Big Erickson is in the building. Last but not least, each and every one of you guys out there are here. What's popping with y', all, man? Good to be back. How y' all doing? Great, man, great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good, man. Glad to be here on Friday. We got opportunity to get some sunshine, some daylight, some fresh air. Good weather. Yeah, it was really nice.

[Joe Budden]

Some daylight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Crispy, crispy Friday evening weather. I was able to talk into the microphone, brother.

[Joe Budden]

I can't hear you, brother.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I apologize.

[Big Freeze]

He was trying for it to go under the radar.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I had a good weekend. I was able to drive down to Philly for a surprise party and made it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait, you just reminded me of something. Well, I didn't mean. Didn't mean to interrupt your thought.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, please.

[Joe Budden]

Tuesday. Next Tuesday. Did you guys open the weather app?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I did.

[Joe Budden]

I did too.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, a little 80. Yeah, well, 80 on them.

[Flip]

Friday too.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Tuesday, Monday, 70. Tuesday, 80.

[Flip]

And Wednesday 80. Yeah, Monday, Tuesday, though.

[Joe Budden]

Deal with the Tuesday, though.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Is everybody good? Is everybody good?

[Ish]

Next Tuesday. He said friendship boy.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody's cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's your concern, Joe? Sure.

[Flip]

Pinky toe might start hurting.

[Joe Budden]

Anything might start.

[Flip]

The kids go back to school next week. Summer co be a.

[Joe Budden]

The nanny canceled. I got to get ready for all excuses. But it's fine. It's fine. We can come in early and get the work done.

[Ish]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm down. What's up? What's up? Where y' all want to start? Anywhere y' all want to start.

[Big Freeze]

Go to my Amazon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, got to. Unfortunately starting Miami, some bad, bad news, of course. Offset.

[Joe Budden]

I thought it was great news. He's alive. He lived. He's alive.

[Big Freeze]

That is true. That is true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That part's great.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Could have went the whole scenario.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that could have been horrible.

[Flip]

Yeah, Literally. Like, I think these niggas need to stop playing with their life, B. I agree. Like, it's funny. I mean, just real quick.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, let's Give some backstory.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell people what happened. Offset was shot in front of the Hard Rock Cafe casino.

[Flip]

Not in the front, inside. He got shot in the valet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? He was allegedly shot by another rapper, Lil tj. Am I pronouncing that?

[Flip]

Yes, allegedly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, yes, allegedly. He was shot in the buttocks. Don't say like that after an alter. What buttocks?

[Ish]

Buttocks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm reporting.

[Big Freeze]

That is true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Take this seriously, people. There apparently was a physical altercation over some money, an alleged debt of $10,000. From what reports I've heard, his offset got the better of the exchange. And as he was turning to leave. Yeah.

[Flip]

Pow. Yeah, bro, that shit ain't funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not at all, at all.

[Flip]

Like Doug, I remember. Not to personalize it, but I remember when I got shot, this old dude told me, he was like, yo, when you go home, take a ruler, you know, a 12 inch ruler. He's like, yo, that could be the difference between life and death. And most of these niggas can't shoot.

[Joe Budden]

Shoot.

[Flip]

So, yo, if you 12 inches difference, that could have been not here no more. And it could be a whole different report.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or be paralyzed.

[Flip]

Yeah, that ain't funny. My. Like, these start handling themselves accordingly. They young black men, yo, and we be in the news for some stupid. Even once you got enough money to get away from what we trying to escape, these niggas just be still doing dumb and it's kind of crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I couldn't agree more what you're saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't know who right and who wrong, but I know if the amount they fighting over is $10,000, you

[Flip]

could have caught a body for 10 grand. Yeah, your lawyer fee is gonna be in the millions. Like that shit don't make no sense. Could have hit an innocent bystander for ten grand. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, these n can't shoot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Any.

[Flip]

It's too many. You know how crowded casinos are.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? That could have been completely left. Way, way different, but

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

awful story.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Flip]

Nothing. I'm just looking at your face.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing to say about it.

[Flip]

Blank face.

[Joe Budden]

No, cuz, y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all hit it on the head.

[Flip]

Like that ain't funny to me.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing to laugh about,

[Ish]

yo. All right, here's the thing with me. Shout out to Offset, shout out to tj.

[Joe Budden]

I did that.

[Ish]

I'm happy that Offset is alive and stuff like that. I do, I do hope that Offset that, you know, try to figure out his Gambling addiction. I think that, you know, to avoid any.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't even know he had one. Is that part of the story?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I'm trying to let y' all be serious first before I make jokes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard he owed the casino a lot of money, like 8 or 900,000.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, so he did hear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know it was an addiction. I mean, when you're rich, that could be one night of gambling. I mean, you got addiction.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't a one night thing in the park.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't know the whole. I don't know that part of the story.

[Joe Budden]

And I saw the test text. Did you see the text? I saw the text that. I saw it from academics posted it. Yeah, I can't report on the authenticity of it, but it looked pretty real to me. Also remember the little TJ vid from a while back talking about Offset maybe having a gambling problem? Said he saw him in the casino. He was popped. He was in there asking for trying to cash app. Cash app. Asking for cash apps. Okay, so there's a story. The text thread, though, was between Offset and the casino hostess.

[Big Freeze]

Okay, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't see this.

[Joe Budden]

And he was like, yo, I need a little something. And she said, I have to send this to the higher ups. And he said, please do. Like, did you do that yet? And she's like, are you aware of what you owe? And he's like, no, what do I owe? And she said, 850,700 and whatever number it was, but it was a substantial amount.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he said, all right, I need 500 more. 500,000 on top of 500,000 more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sheesh.

[Flip]

Whoa.

[Joe Budden]

It's like me in the strip club when I ran out of all the money, but got a good boner going. Boy, you better find some money from somewhere. Oh, please, we all been there.

[Flip]

Y talking about that. I'm talking about the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Flip]

The. The gambling tab. We all. Ain't we all.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not doing this with you. I take your word for it, friend. What else? Yeah, this home, homeboy.

[Ish]

That.

[Joe Budden]

That gambling is serious. Serious. The gambling is serious. Now, I would hate to be gambling again. Getting my off like my vice, like in my bag be down a million. And when I leave trying to get my car or some shit, you shoot me in my ass. It's just a bad time to shoot me in the ass. No.

[Flip]

Well. Well, you a little bit of hate. Things you'll hate before that is to be down and run into the. That you owe that that you owe money. That's the last thing.

[Joe Budden]

Why does Offset old little TJ money?

[Flip]

Because he was popped. He might have been popped. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That sentence don't sound right in hip hop history.

[Flip]

Why it doing it?

[Joe Budden]

Don't it don't it sounds it. There's no. There's nothing about that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why not? Yeah, we don't know where Offset is at.

[Flip]

Not just. No. All of this be facade with a lot of these. We don't know that if he got a $850,000 tab, he got a couple dollars, and if he bought 500 more, he got a couple dollars. But on one of the nights you was getting your ass cracked. Pause. And I'm in this casino. I loaned you 10 grand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Did you see the text between. No, there was a. That's what I thought you was referring to the text between Offset and tj.

[Joe Budden]

I don't read anything lil TJ type.

[Flip]

Okay, well, he was like.

[Joe Budden]

He almost got our Chipotle shut down. I don't even eat chipotle. I might have just been over there.

[Flip]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I mean, I used to. That's the hotel. I used to run away. No, no, no, no, no, no. I stopped fucking with him when that happened. Like, from a distance. I'm saying I never stay in that hotel. You never stayed in that hotel. Let me. Minus 400 from the number I thought you had.

[Big Freeze]

Got you

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

400.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'll take 400. Stupid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell me about the text.

[Flip]

No, so. So in the text, it's a little aggressive. And he's like, who was aggressive? Offset saying, boy, who you talking to? I will smack the out of you.

[Joe Budden]

Nah. If you. If you owe me money. Don't talk to me like that. If you the one that owe.

[Flip]

Depending on how you ask for it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Depending how you ask for it, I'll

[Joe Budden]

pull a text and TJ ass with some.

[Ish]

But for.

[Flip]

Yo, who the fuck you talking to? How many times have I asked. How many times have I asked you for my money? Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a lot.

[Flip]

It's a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

And if I believe you to be all the way up, like, you have my money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the part you might.

[Joe Budden]

So you're not giving it to me as a choice. I'm not talking about

[Flip]

talking a little bit more reckless. Like, I know you got it, and now you just not gonna give it to me. Now you just. You being disrespectful and you playing me out, right? So now might want to put a little grease in their voice. Like, yo, my, don't think this is gonna go the way you think? You're not gonna just take my bread? Pardon? I read that wrong. That's tj, where you at? Not gonna lie. Imma smack the whole out of you, Offset. Lol. Huh? You joking, right? I just seen this pop up. Gotta be the wrong. You texting boy? I will smoke you. You barely lived already. Who the you think you're talking to? You gotta be talking to the wrong nigga. I'm in New York right now. Come smack me, little boy. Then some text.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How they text it out? I'm just curious.

[Flip]

Screenshot Gronk TJ posted.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying who TJ posted.

[Flip]

Okay, TJ posted the screenshot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You shoot somebody?

[Flip]

TJ posted the screenshot, tagged Offset said, yo, pay that tab, homie. Don't fade yourself over a little 10 pack.

[Ish]

He also owed that girl 15,000.

[Flip]

So hold on, this text got a little bit more. He replies to one of Offset stories. He says, miami Sammy with lap with crying emojis. If that stop. If it's that, stop DMing me for trace reasons.

[Joe Budden]

And get your glasses, man.

[Flip]

Never that little bro. I just want my 10. He says, say that. And then he also posted do not loan Offset no money. He's popped. So he's letting people know, hey, this

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

ain't good on these. But he's published it because he. I got.

[Flip]

You see that could.

[Joe Budden]

And he.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, he owed me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, go tell me.

[Flip]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Ish]

He owed the Selena. He owed a selena power girl 15,000. She did a video said that she gave him 15,000.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. No credence to none.

[Flip]

Selena Powell over and yo dog all. I hate bringing her ethics into this, but.

[Joe Budden]

No, we don't.

[Flip]

I said I hate.

[Joe Budden]

No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Flip]

Once you publish that I owe you money and all of that and you start being a will not pay you,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

all bets are off.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah. Like now I'm not going to pay you on GP me again. I'm not saying that that's the appropriate thing, but now you don't went public and all that. See me when you see me to get your money. And that's how a lot of feel like once you post all that, now I ain't paying you. You get what I'm saying? So it. It becomes a little gray.

[Joe Budden]

I repeat, offset Owen, Lil TJ, 10 grand just don't compute to me in hip hop.

[Big Freeze]

It shouldn't be that. That way.

[Joe Budden]

No, it shouldn't be that way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, and no borrowing. Yes, I use that if you, if you was in a casino one night and you was like, yo, Mark, I can't. They won't give me nothing else. Give me 10. You got a lot more money than me. I will give you 10,000 just cuz you, you.

[Flip]

And I know you got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And cuz I know you got it. I don't even got to know you that good.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. And I would return it.

[Flip]

That's the point.

[Joe Budden]

And it, that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said, I said the borrow makes sense to me. No, no, what I'm saying is the borrow.

[Joe Budden]

We're saying the same.

[Flip]

You're not speaking on the ball, okay? You're not keeping on the ball. Foreign got it.

[Joe Budden]

Offset owing Little tj.

[Flip]

I thought you were saying him borrowing that money from TJ sounded crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Happens, yeah. You can borrow money from anybody. You never know where you're gonna be

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

and who you're gonna be around when you're won't even give you the cash.

[Joe Budden]

It's not that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, return it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, return it.

[Flip]

Yeah, I agree. But it also could speak to how you looked at him. Man, out of here, Little.

[Joe Budden]

You can't look at nobody like that.

[Flip]

Can't play with it.

[Joe Budden]

You can't look at nobody like that. You can't. I was there for you when you was in a bind.

[Flip]

Yeah, right. So why. Even if I am a little, why would you. Why would you want to play with me like that? That's number one. Number two, if I am the little, then $10,000 means way more to me than it means to you.

[Big Freeze]

Possible.

[Flip]

That's a lot. That's what we talking about. Like, yo, $10,000 for Everybody Ain't a drop in the bucket.

[Joe Budden]

And you know what, What I will say about offset. I appreciate that. In every story I've ever heard about Offset, good, bad or indifferent, he could just scrapping. He don't pull out no weapon, he don't pull out no shank, he don't pull out no gun. Any story I heard whether he was at Popeyes in Atlanta, a casino starlets. He just get to bow like a good old fashioned fight. Which is cool until somebody else, a nigga got the little bland blade, feel like he losing and shoot you, right? You know what? Motherfucker bow. It sound like Harlem knights to me.

[Flip]

Oh, shit. You can fight.

[Big Freeze]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a tough L. When you come to somebody like, give me my fucking money. And then you go to fight for your money and then they win. Cause now you're definitely not getting your $10,000. If I punch you in the mouth for my $10,000 and you beat my ass for my $10,000. Yeah, I'm asking. You ain't got that many. I'm not saying you should shoot them, but you ain't got is it on me, yo, but you ain't got a lot of options.

[Flip]

I can't walk away with this arrow flaw part of.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I mean, I'm just saying that

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

don't work out good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I just think I'm off of this offset. Now, as a man and granted my thinking is a little off, so don't listen to me. I just think as a man, when judging men that are frailer than you, you should have like a check list that you answer first to make sure they don't have a gun. Like some of the niggas I see when I'm out, I'll be like, oh, I'll beat the absolute dog out of them. But they don't walk around like that nowadays.

[Flip]

When I see that little man purse.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, there's like a. Yeah, leave that nigga alone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a.

[Joe Budden]

Leave that little nigga alone. What?

[Flip]

He definitely got it. I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

When is too mismatched. You got. Yeah, you gotta watch them got on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but they got a hoodie on.

[Flip]

That's the one.

[Joe Budden]

Just threw them when. Just threw on. Whatever. When a dressed like he ain't trying to get one girl like he got on the gray pink with orange, some tie dye.

[Flip]

Oh, he will kill his old crocs with a snorkel.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

Questions you can answer about some of these, but that. Yeah, man. Little tj who you and he just

[Flip]

got popped up at Chipotle. So that's more the reason I would think that little have that on.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, man. He might have been trying to kill him and missed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

[Big Freeze]

This sounds like intentional.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't mean that I don't think you shoot good enough to intentionally shoot

[Flip]

somebody in the ass.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, it wasn't that far away. Maybe. I don't know. I didn't see the footage.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but I've seen when I told you my brother's story when he was. He was 3ft from dude and somehow hit him in the calf running, you know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes people who don't shoot good don't shoot good. It just be like that sometimes.

[Flip]

And my nigga, again, if you got shot in the ass, we ain't even gonna Say a ruler, your spine right here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. He could be aiming for his lower spine, right?

[Flip]

We're not talking about 6, 8 inch difference. Your spine could be right there. Could be paralyzed for life.

[Ish]

It's just passionate about saving of a lot life. I love it. Yo, I just like what you're saying.

[Flip]

That don't be no game.

[Joe Budden]

He's a victim of gun violence.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He too has been shot in the ass.

[Ish]

Yeah, that ain't no joke,

[Flip]

mister.

[Joe Budden]

It's bend over, please or somebody else beef too. I never went outside again after that.

[Flip]

Don't look silly, bro.

[Ish]

What do we say? Make some prayers to them.

[Flip]

Yeah. All parties involved.

[Ish]

Do you think that TJ gets in trouble for this or.

[Flip]

Depends. Florida. You got shot in the hotel, so I'm sure it's camera footage that's gonna play back every single second of the altercation.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, Florida.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But if it's his best, I mean, Florida is damn near legal to shoot black people.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If he got any chance of getting off on this, this is the right state, right? You could say I was standing my ground.

[Ish]

Don't you gotta shoot them in the process of the altercation so like, they can't beat you up and then go outside and.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You go outside and walk away? Yeah, it's a tough one.

[Flip]

Depending on what they say, a lot of that matters. Like in Florida, me and you getting some and we. It's all of us in here. And you say, I'mma kill you. And I got it on me. I could shoot you and say I was in fear for my life.

[Ish]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And when he was walking away, if I were a defense attorney, I might be like, I saw him turn. I saw him reach for something. And before, I wasn't gonna let him

[Flip]

turn around, he said, I'm gonna go to my car. He said, I'm gonna go do this, I'm gonna do that. I'll be right back. You wait right here. You know what I mean? Shit like that. I'll let him have it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We're not endorsing any of these strategies. Just saying gives you a lot of room to do that.

[Joe Budden]

I won't put a gambling addiction on offset because I don't know enough about him. So I won't. But assuming that he has one, I assume a lot of rappers have one.

[Flip]

It's tough.

[Joe Budden]

They do.

[Flip]

If I had money like that, I would be at the casino every day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Ish]

You at the casino every day now?

[Flip]

MGM been kicking my ass the last two months.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, I Didn't want to bring it up, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, bring it up.

[Ish]

We know you got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We know.

[Joe Budden]

This room has my full support.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Son of a bitch. I want that feel.

[Joe Budden]

This room has my full support in any area that you might. May be struggling at. Listen, call me sometimes when you in the grips. All right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's crazy. That was sound crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's how I got boy in the grips. In the grips. In the grips of a. All right, never mind. My bad. Offset, friend of the show. Yeah, but glad you are in stable condition. That could have been bad. If you are struggling with gambling, I do hope you and anybody else out there that may be struggling gets it together. It's nothing. It's no laughing at all. It's serious business.

[Flip]

It is. And I just want to say what they arrested TJ on is misdemeanor disorderly conduct.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh.

[Flip]

And he has a $500 bond, so they arrested him for the fight.

[Joe Budden]

Saying.

[Flip]

Arrested him for.

[Joe Budden]

For sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That don't mean they can't charge.

[Joe Budden]

They'll be back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, maybe. They might not have seen what they needed to see yet. They might not seen the footage. But I hope it gets resolved however it's supposed to. Yeah.

[Flip]

For real?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Yeah, but that's. That's crazy, man. I was just moving past Offset, NBA players, rappers. There's a lot of people who make a lot of money who fill up those casinos and give it all. Give it all back.

[Flip]

Tons. Tons, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. So I'm hoping T's and P is not just for Offset, but everybody out there that's dealing with it. Cause it's hard to know when you got a gambling addiction when you got so much money, you know, nigga, when

[Flip]

you broke, you can have a gambling addiction. Like, I was in a casino a couple weeks ago, and this girl.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm deadass.

[Flip]

So this girl, we believe it? No, this girl came to the table like her dude and her homegirl was gambling. She was in the high stakes room. She said they took 15 from her. And like that, she came home. That bitch, her face looked like it was dragging the floor. My. I'm like 15 in, like a half an hour.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, what's the most? I'm gonna ask you first. What's the most y' all lost gambling? What's the most you ever lost gambling at one shot?

[Flip]

Probably like seven grand, some shit like that. Eight grand roulette, blackjack, poker. You know, I used to gamble on the street. See all that shit? I probably lost seven, eight grand before.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't Never lost nothing like that. I don't gamble like that. I do blackjack, but once I get down a couple grand, I'm done.

[Flip]

You have of a lot limit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I always come in with a number in my head, depending on how much money. Like lately, a couple grand.

[Ish]

You gamble. Tune in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You want to gamble the issue, too. I gamble once every two, three years. Literally. I go to casino once every two, three years.

[Joe Budden]

It's just like my. I don't play in those casinos because I know my personality.

[Flip]

Yeah, you. You should.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I don't go. That's why I don't do that.

[Flip]

Like, dog, I ain't gonna hold you. If it was a casino that was close to me, you'd be. I'd be in it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When I was in Philly, I used to go more because it was so close. I had to actually stop myself. Cause I started to do the gas. I started to do the blackjack apps on the phone to get good at it, to make sure I'm mastered it. To keep my odds as tight as possible.

[Joe Budden]

In the grips?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, in the grips. And I. I didn't even know. You couldn't even call me when I was in the grip. So I had nobody to lean on,

[Flip]

so I just stopped going different. No, it's a thing.

[Big Freeze]

It is for sure.

[Flip]

Oxygen in the room. You be alert. Come around windows and your ass cheap.

[Joe Budden]

They send. Come send a little hot baddie massages now. Yeah, you want a drink?

[Flip]

Here you go. Massage girl comes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they know what they doing. We was in St. Kitts in January. They gonna distract you. No place had food or liquor except the casino. So after. After like midnight. So the only way you get a drink was to sit at the table and just be like it. I'm here. Let me put 100 down. Let me put 200 even that.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna distract me by massage? You talking about the shoulders?

[Big Freeze]

I'm sure it could go elsewhere.

[Joe Budden]

We gonna go elsewhere.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sure you getting a handy at the table.

[Joe Budden]

Hit me, hit me.

[Flip]

Maybe something totally different.

[Joe Budden]

I double down, bro.

[Flip]

You go. You go to the bars and out there, like the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Flip]

The restaurants, whatever, they got them shits at the bar. Everything is different, Flip.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gamble?

[Ish]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You live a clean life, man. You don't gamble, you don't drink. You don't do drugs, man.

[Flip]

You don't eat ketchup.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, just know that if I didn't have this little thing going with Mark, I let a good one go just now.

[Ish]

Yeah,

[Joe Budden]

I'm here. Here in the Power of friendship. He can't trick me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on.

[Ish]

Our friendship.

[Joe Budden]

Let it go n. Never that. We got to get the profit.

[Flip]

He said you gamble. You just don't play cards.

[Ish]

I gamble my life.

[Joe Budden]

That too, maybe.

[Ish]

No. I went to the casino one time. Like I said, Khan put $20 and this called. What's this called? I forgot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What, slot machine?

[Ish]

Nah, not slot machine. With some cars like bank and I forgot what it's called. It's not coming to me. But I made 4,000 off of it. And the next day I went back.

[Flip]

You made 4 grand off $20?

[Ish]

Yeah. Cuz he didn't put $20 in that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You supposed to book a ticket. We.

[Flip]

How much you gave him?

[Ish]

4,000. I didn't give him nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Ish]

I didn't give him nothing. He said I should have gave him something, but.

[Flip]

No, you should have.

[Ish]

No, your son.

[Joe Budden]

Tell him about the time you lost all your money and the casino had a. No, I.

[Ish]

And I. I lost you 600. I went the next. I went the next day. I lost it all and I never went back again.

[Big Freeze]

I'm sorry.

[Flip]

You went through karma.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Cuz you ain't giving your man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's rich.

[Ish]

You put $20 for your man and you hit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I was there all day.

[Flip]

You want four bands?

[Ish]

I'm. I. Yeah, he left by the time I couldn't find him. So I supposed to still set it out. You won't.

[Flip]

Oh, who?

[Joe Budden]

I don't owe nobody the soul on this earth I owe Flip.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You feel like you owe you do you feel old?

[Ish]

My man know what he got for me? Well, do you feel old, my man? I'm not old, but my man know what he got for me? I just hit him.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, the old word is triggering.

[Ish]

Okay, my father. But you got.

[Joe Budden]

You know.

[Ish]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

I did have something for you and I by your man. I should still have it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, you do. Got it.

[Ish]

I even hit you up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel like he said that.

[Ish]

No, he didn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he did on Friday. I'm not even being funny.

[Flip]

And you don't got no little 25 on the BTS.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Flip]

You can't get. You can't get it back in blood.

[Ish]

I didn't hear y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. Real quick.

[Ish]

Give me a second. You said Friday. The money that you got from me.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't even here half a Friday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you said on the half you were, not the half you weren't.

[Ish]

I can't believe you said.

[Joe Budden]

You listening to Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at. Listen to bts.

[Joe Budden]

You letting Mark divide. Oh, you let Mark about the first year.

[Ish]

I can't believe you did that. Not only that, you took me up the picture. You didn't give me my drop. You ignored me. Don't worry, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What picture?

[Ish]

Don't worry.

[Joe Budden]

I posted the picture of Jade Cargill. Check out that Jade Cargill episode on Patreon. But when I went to do the post on Instagram and do the multiple pictures. Yeah, whatever your first picture is, the format of that the rest of them have to be in. And I didn't realize that until after I'd already hit publish out of the. The picture.

[Ish]

But not only that, but I gave you that rundown format.

[Joe Budden]

I should have formatted differently.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Posted.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And as far as the money, I never said I wasn't giving you the. The. The rest of the bonus money. I said I'm not giving it to you while you're having fun.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's. Yeah, that's fair. That's actually what he said.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm not giving it to you while you're having fun. Yeah. Never that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How you feel about that? How you feel about that?

[Joe Budden]

This nigga in Trinidad turned up. I don't like that 90° Nyla Blackman looking. That's what he need.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The money. That's what he need.

[Joe Budden]

Never that. That's never gonna happen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Budden]

You can get it when you home chilling back in New Jersey. Regular degala.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah.

[Ish]

And you call yourself a good friend.

[Joe Budden]

I don't call myself that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who the calls?

[Joe Budden]

I don't call myself that.

[Flip]

Yo, he might.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's up, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

What happened, brother?

[Flip]

Nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish.

[Ish]

You handled it different. I can't call the. Should I call the white man? Should I?

[Flip]

What did I handle differently?

[Ish]

Pay my bread, bro.

[Flip]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Ish]

Pay my. Pay my bread or else.

[Flip]

He didn't snitch. He'd be miscommunicating.

[Ish]

Pay my bread. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We can do it now. Oh, remember how you were saying, like, Offset should just pay it because he got it? And the idea of offsetting TJ money is crazy.

[Flip]

That's Lil tj.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, that is Lil tj.

[Joe Budden]

That is Lil T. So to keep

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

the spirit of friendship going.

[Ish]

Well, my name is tj, but I'm not Lil. Watch out Miles when you talk to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But agreed and agreed. Pam is my money.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have cash.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cash. App.

[Joe Budden]

App.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm past my limit.

[Ish]

No, you're not Apple Pay.

[Joe Budden]

I am Zell. I'm past Zelle.

[Ish]

Apple pay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't got Zelle. Wow.

[Flip]

You got bank account, you got Apple Pay it. That goes direct. There's no limit on that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't got to do nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I'll hit wealth management and tell him to send you how much? Wealth management?

[Flip]

Oh, shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how. You don't think he's making up words?

[Flip]

Oh, you ain't though.

[Ish]

The game I was playing was baccarat. I remember that.

[Flip]

Bakarat.

[Ish]

Yeah, you said.

[Flip]

You said the bank. I thought it was.

[Joe Budden]

He popped at the bakarat table. Want to come hit me for five?

[Ish]

I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell him how to spend his money.

[Ish]

Word.

[Flip]

And when he is, you can't use it for fun. Get his money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

His bonus money.

[Flip]

When you having fun. I'm not giving you money. You got.

[Joe Budden]

Funny. I almost text him my taxes, like when he was asking for. Yo, you got 500? No, I don't.

[Ish]

Why would you chase me? Taxes?

[Joe Budden]

So you can know I don't have it. I don't have it.

[Flip]

Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have it.

[Joe Budden]

I know. It's unbelievable. I don't have it. It's a tough. I'm strapped.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Indeed. Unbelievable.

[Joe Budden]

I'm strapped. I don't have. When I have it, you'll be the first person to have it. When I have it, you'll be the first person that get it. I promise you. I promise you that.

[Ish]

N. You said that last time.

[Joe Budden]

My word, Bond.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's all right, let's.

[Flip]

Your word what?

[Joe Budden]

Bond?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bombed.

[Ish]

Your word is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My word is bombed.

[Joe Budden]

My word is bomb.

[Flip]

Your word is bombed.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we got. We done. We praying. Praying for anybody that got shot over the weekend. If you got shot over the weekend

[Big Freeze]

on Easter Sunday, she hold your head.

[Flip]

Yo, let me get you a different.

[Joe Budden]

I was watching the news. Five year old fell out the window in the Bronx. But they didn't wait till. They waited till the end of the story to say, he's in stable condition, he's safe, he's in the hospital. And I was like, all right, thank God. But then I was like, man, 80s. We used to always fall out the window. Cat. The cat fell out the window. Fell out the window. That used to be a thing.

[Big Freeze]

It did.

[Joe Budden]

I'm Talking about the 80s, in the 90s. Nobody ever fell out the window.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You fell out of the windows.

[Joe Budden]

You trying to climb. Some escape, some you running around.

[Flip]

They learn from the error of their ways. They put the little building standards that would dictate that you have bars on your windows.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody that had one Parent on drugs and lived in a building and had a cat. That cat fell out the window before

[Flip]

I believe you and what I'm saying,

[Joe Budden]

live to tell about it. The landlord cat fell from the ninth floor in 1809. Projects and lived.

[Flip]

And the landlord lost the buildings. And the new landlord said, liability, we going to screw these bars in and keep it pushing.

[Joe Budden]

So down south, I stayed downtown, right?

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't usually stay downtown, but it was like nicer over there. But it wasn't nicer. It was nicer than I have seen it in my recent trip. So of course, Michael Paul went to call the mayor and got the. Found out what the tea is.

[Big Freeze]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Apparently there's some niggas out there that's brothers, like the Davies brothers, and they went and approached the city and killing them did some shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And now they buying up everything.

[Flip]

Yeah. It should have been the Button brothers. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Michael Pullen. Dumbass Michael Pullen. Call me, man. Man, let's do look nice down there though.

[Flip]

No, them niggas ain't playing.

[Joe Budden]

That's why you talk to the mayor. Did Mark. Did Dr. Mark Lamont Hill tell y' all that his Memphis grift worked?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not a Memphis grift.

[Joe Budden]

Did Mark tell y' all that his Memphis grift worked? I don't have a Memphis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have a Memphis Griff. But I will say shout out to all the people in the city of Memphis who reached out. I stand with you in solidarity as we try to, you know, build together. So if there's any way I can support your city, just let me know.

[Joe Budden]

Just call.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be there.

[Joe Budden]

Bill, be in the mayor hit Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Appropriate work the mayor did. It was off the record, but yes, but yeah, you hit me. And salute to the mayor who's doing everything he can to keep the city going, to build and grow the city, to protect the city and hopefully to renew the stadium contract, because I think it's so important. And versa vice title to the city

[Flip]

of Memphis since we bring in off the record stuff to the pot. Did anybody hit you about Mark's comments?

[Joe Budden]

Mark's comments? Mark's comments, Mark's comments, Marks comments. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, I forgot. Yeah, I put that right in the group chat. Yeah, rich boy hit me about that Mark Lamar. He'll say, yo, when them be hitting me about something my co host said and my co host ain't around.

[Flip]

You phony.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You kick our back here.

[Flip]

You phony as that guy, yo. Otherwise I'm gonna Walk you on that bullshit. What he said.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Cause this is a good job. Oh, he told Mark up about. About his grizzlies and I tore him up. But he just offered a pushback.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Some pushbacks. A different take.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I still disagree with him.

[Joe Budden]

A different perspective. And I put it in there just to get a good laugh. And I was like, yo, every part somebody hit me about something I didn't say at all. And that was it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that was it. Some people were ticked off. Yeah. I'll tell you later. But more. More people. I got more support and love from that than I did people who are.

[Big Freeze]

That's all that matters.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all that matters.

[Big Freeze]

That's all that matters.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's all about the love and the friendship.

[Flip]

This is true friendship.

[Joe Budden]

Friendship.

[Big Freeze]

This podcast is based on friendship.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It is based on.

[Flip]

Wouldn't exist without it.

[Big Freeze]

Always has been, always will be, you know, Nada.

[Joe Budden]

We doing it. We doing it. What?

[Flip]

Giving you $50.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he's paying. Cuz we have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I pay bets.

[Flip]

It's a nice wallet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it?

[Joe Budden]

Is it? Let me see his wallet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not nice.

[Flip]

Can I see it though?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you can see it.

[Joe Budden]

No, it is a nice wallet. It's not the worst wallet. I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just a wallet.

[Flip]

See, it's a grown man wallet.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Why you point at me?

[Joe Budden]

Who don't have a grown man wallet in no.

[Flip]

Y' all was laughing. Cuz the last time time we laughing

[Joe Budden]

at the condition of your wallet.

[Flip]

Said my wallet was this fat. Your wallet was. Hold on. By a thread only.

[Joe Budden]

Your wallet too. What?

[Flip]

What's wrong with this man?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He gay. I about to say

[Joe Budden]

it's your wallet. That.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's you good. Not my problem.

[Ish]

Knock me out on here and I can't wait.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy.

[Flip]

I can't wait to get.

[Ish]

I'm falling right on this ground. I swear to God.

[Flip]

Deducted from me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to do it.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You good?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at his face.

[Ish]

I was texting you and all that. You try to violate my text, making jokes n me. Good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, listen, I ain't gonna fight you for it. We on air, right? You took it. You took it. But there's no way for you to win it. There's no way for you to win this.

[Ish]

Are you acting like Gucci when he told.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you said if you hold the 60, he ain't give you the other. The other 450. Keep that. That does not.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what I'm saying.

[Flip]

That's that Marty Berkin?

[Joe Budden]

That's not what I'm saying.

[Ish]

No, no, listen, the reason why I

[Flip]

keep saying that, I gotta. I'm gonna get it one way or another. Yeah.

[Ish]

I mean, no, he's not.

[Flip]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on to that. I don't really like cash anyway. Way.

[Ish]

No, it's not.

[Big Freeze]

I don't like cash.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't like cash. Don't worry about it.

[Ish]

What you going doing the back end?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, Cory, old. Old school when we needed to rent lower.

[Ish]

What are you going to do on the back end?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, old school.

[Ish]

Let him do that. Let him do that.

[Big Freeze]

The back end seems inappropriate in the context of this conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, but if you give me my. But if you give me my money that I.

[Ish]

That I earned right this second, I earned money, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I earned.

[Joe Budden]

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[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Parks.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There's a petition online for you to do the picks.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Because you seem to do okay. Sure. They don't want them. Actually, they said you and Freeze instead of me and is.

[Ish]

I like that.

[Joe Budden]

I like that.

[Ish]

I like that. Switcher.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Ish]

That's fire. Don't say I think that's fire.

[Flip]

Damn. Parks took the chain. Now he taking the pics from you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Every time I drink water.

[Joe Budden]

Y. Stop. Yo.

[Ish]

Come up and spit out.

[Joe Budden]

Stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let him do it. Sitting in the seat on front.

[Joe Budden]

Take a seat.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pause.

[Ish]

What you got for us today?

[Big Freeze]

I didn't do any research for today.

[Joe Budden]

What if he start doing the pics and the fans start getting

[Ish]

the Parks button podcast?

[Joe Budden]

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[Flip]

Yes, sir.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No surprises in either, huh? No surprise surprises.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up, Mark. No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You thought UCLA was gonna lose?

[Flip]

Gonna beat him like that?

[Joe Budden]

You thought.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You. You thought you, you, you. South Carolina's gonna beat ucla.

[Joe Budden]

They both were surprises. I mean, maybe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wasn't Michigan the favorite by six and a half?

[Big Freeze]

They were the favorite, yeah.

[Flip]

I didn't think UCLA was going to do what they did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't think lollywopping, but I thought it.

[Joe Budden]

Winning by 40.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm saying the winner wasn't a surprise. I didn't think it was gonna be. I thought it was gonna be competitive.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't a game at all. Yeah, by the 22 points at halftime.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I thought you said was gonna win. I'm saying I thought they just had a better team. Why?

[Joe Budden]

Because the big white girl. Yeah, you. Yo, I'm telling you, of course I

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

wasn't rooting for him. I was rooting for Dawn Staley. I'm rooting for usc.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Bring her back home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She from Philly.

[Joe Budden]

Come on back home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dawn Staley's my girl. I love Dawn Staley. I was definitely rooting for her on Friday night. My God.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, the handshake game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And by the way, that was a good game.

[Ish]

To me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was the kind of game I like the national championship to look like in of terms. In terms of being closely competitive, even down to that fourth quarter when she had that. There's like a turnover with six minutes left on it. On. On a lazy pass and they cut it to two. And I was like, oh, this could get dangerous.

[Joe Budden]

Great game. Overshadowed by white arrogance, by that bullshit Geno did. That was absolute bullshit. And Gino Uncalled for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a dick.

[Joe Budden]

Unacceptable. See, I didn't know he was a dick. But then all the stories came out about everything past Summit ever said about. Yeah. The long history between him and dawn that I was unaware of.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, they had beef.

[Joe Budden]

Not that they had beef, but they've worked together for quite a long time.

[Flip]

He's coached her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She was.

[Big Freeze]

Got it. I was unaware.

[Ish]

Oh, wow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they. They. That was nasty. I mean, so there were a couple things going on. Watching Geno, after the genre, after the. Their loss, just completely do. The worst thing you can do as a coach was make a bunch of excuses. And complete playing on national tv. He immediately said, I got a player with a ripped jersey and the ref is saying there's no foul. Then he's complaining about how Dawn Staley is yelling at the refs the whole game without getting. Basically without getting a tech. That was.

[Flip]

Cursed words.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Using curse words and all this shit and saying, they got six fouls in this quarter. We didn't get any. Come on. It's the national championship we're playing for. He's doing all this stuff on national tv. Seconds afterward. I know. Afterward.

[Flip]

No, during the game. You know when they interview the coach in the middle of the game. He was saying shit. In the middle of the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was doing that too.

[Flip]

Using curse words. The whole shit. He was just not showing any level of professionalism or composure.

[Big Freeze]

Major sore loser vibes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Major sore loser. And of course, he said that. She didn't shake my hand right at the beginning.

[Big Freeze]

Right at the beginning of the game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Now, what's interesting is afterward, they showed the footage of the girl who was frustrated for a non call or whatever. She ripped her own jersey. She didn't get her jersey ripped during a foul. He tried to make it sound like it was a foul so bad that her jersey got ripped. She ripped her own jersey with her hands. I mean, so that wasn't true. The half the handshake shit. I don't. I don't know what happened, but I know that's certainly not what you bring up right after you lose a game. Just say, good game, and walk off.

[Joe Budden]

He was tight.

[Flip]

He was tight.

[Joe Budden]

He was tight. Yeah, understandably so. But the way he carried it out, it's unfortunate because part of knowing how to win is knowing how to lose.

[Flip]

I was just about to say that. You. You come up here and whip people's asses every single year.

[Joe Budden]

Year.

[Flip]

And you expect them to exhibit a level of professionalism after they lose. You also have to be Able to display the same exact thing. You win enough. I'm not. Not. There's no such thing. But Connecticut has been probably top three college women's basketball teams in history. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, dawg, learn how to lose my. It don't happen every year for you. So I just think it was corny.

[Joe Budden]

And the apology was a mess.

[Flip]

Horrible.

[Joe Budden]

The cleanup was bad. People don't know how to apologize. He apologized to the staff. He said the players and the staff. So just apologize to the lady that you dissed.

[Flip]

Right. Or I mean, maybe. Maybe he don't feel wrong in that.

[Ish]

And it hurts more when somebody that,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you know, he clearly was forced to do it.

[Ish]

Yeah, it hurts more when somebody that you. I guess he. She worked under him or whatever, like

[Flip]

now when she was a player under him, too.

[Ish]

When the protege outshines the master, it

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

hurts a little more.

[Flip]

Why you should be proud that. Yo, from my tree, I've watched this young lady go from being a basketball player to an assistant coach to a head coach, and I'm proud of you and your success.

[Ish]

I agree. I'm with you. You know what I'm saying?

[Flip]

Actually, it should take some of this thing off, in my opinion.

[Big Freeze]

Word.

[Ish]

I lost to a person that I.

[Big Freeze]

At least it was you that beat this.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't think that way. He said, there's no excuse for how I handled the end of the game versus South Carolina. It's unlike what I. And what our standard is here at Connecticut. I want to apologize to the staff and the team at South Carolina. It was uncalled for in how I reacted. The story should be how well South Carolina played, and I don't want my actions to detract from that. I've had a great relationship with their staff, and I sincerely want to apologize to them.

[Big Freeze]

A little late for that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's whack.

[Flip]

That was whack.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to apologize to Dawn Staley and her staff.

[Flip]

Dawn Staley and her staff. Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Making fun of.

[Joe Budden]

Of you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got the little.

[Ish]

The sweater guys.

[Flip]

The fuzzies on your.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This looking.

[Ish]

Yo, stop that and tell the to fix it. What's wrong with you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, I put this sweater on. It's a new sweater, and I just got some fuzzy.

[Joe Budden]

It wouldn't do that if it was a Dodgers hoodie.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, as opposed to our beloved hero, Malcolm X. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That performs for Malcolm X. I ain't

[Joe Budden]

never seen Malcolm X in no Dodger color nowhere. Like, all right. We taking this. I didn't know what the is wrong with Mark. Why we taking this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What colors you see Malcolm X in?

[Joe Budden]

Not that. Not Dodger blue. What the hell more do you feel

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

like if Malcolm X wore red, white, blue, you'd know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I feel like that. Okay. I feel like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

In 63, he traveled to Cuba with Fidel Castro.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The colors are red, white and blue. Off he stood in solidarity with the global South.

[Joe Budden]

Is that an official?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did the family approve that hooded as a member of the OR you just

[Joe Budden]

went to your little printup shop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You be going to as a member of the board of the Malcolm X Foundation and the autobond and the Shabazz Center. Yes, I can say it's been approved.

[Joe Budden]

Where is Lil TJ to shoot this ass?

[Flip]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Just that fast. I totally get it. I totally understand, man.

[Ish]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

Where were we? Where were we?

[Flip]

Oh, that horrible stupid ass apology.

[Big Freeze]

That horrible apology mess.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, man, that was awful.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations to Michigan and ucla, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what. Congratulations.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I got. South Carolina was very quiet that day. I was out there. Oh, yeah. Oh, you. I was out there for both, actually. I was out there for both. Boy, when they. When they won that loud. Oh, my. The bars was lit, I bet. Oh, my God. The streets was lit. It was a party. That next game, a little quieter, you could hear a pin drop. Tumbleweeds. Nobody in the streets until the night hit. Then people went outside. And it was scarier. For some reason, it was scarier. Dirt bikes, Motorcycle.

[Flip]

No, they tight now.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you. South Carolina had a different tone after that game. Hey, brother. Yo. I'm telling you, when white people say brother in certain states, it has different meanings. It does. Yeah. The brother in South Carolina after they lost, different brother doing some Aryan. I don't know what they. They was on some. I went right to my room, tucked in early. They was like waiting.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Time to go.

[Joe Budden]

I got out of there, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What, you want to do this now, brother?

[Joe Budden]

We can do it now, brother,

[Flip]

too.

[Joe Budden]

I see you got the Angel Reese trade written on the board. I don't have enough knowledge about the trade and why. I know she went to Atlanta.

[Flip]

Yeah, she traded to the Atlanta Dream for two first rounders.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's a.

[Joe Budden]

It's a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a. It's a great move for I think both sides. Chicago wants to rebuild. Obviously, Angel Reese is worth a lot as a young talent. Double double machine. But they want to rebuild and Atlanta wants to have a competitive lineup. A Very competitive lineup right now, and their front line right now, where Angel Reese makes it very, very tough. So it's a good trade for everybody. And I think Angel Reese as a young star is going to do well in Atlanta. I think Atlanta's the perfect city for it.

[Ish]

And you support her, you know, because you know how you feel about black players.

[Joe Budden]

So you support her or you think about Katie. Talk about some Malcolm X. He's such a fucking.

[Ish]

You don't care about black players, but

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

we know I do care about. I'm. I'm a huge Angel Reese fan.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on Angel Reese board of Electors.

[Flip]

Rey G. As an assemblyman for the city of Atlanta.

[Joe Budden]

Assemblyman. Hate this, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but shout out to her, man. I think it's a good trade for. I think it's a good look for her for her career. I think it's a great, great place to be, and I think it's a good team. I think it's a winning situation right away.

[Joe Budden]

And now we could finally do the Magic City. Shit.

[Ish]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Badger.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Only good joke.

[Joe Budden]

Finally.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

That was great. The bitches.

[Flip]

I got like 40 of them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you was like Lenny Bruce this morning with them joints, man. I was like, God damn.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations to Angel Rees. I'm sure she'll have a blast in Atlanta. No doubt. Go Hawk hats. Whatever the dream called.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The dream.

[Flip]

This is crazy. Atlanta dream.

[Joe Budden]

The Hawket.

[Flip]

The peacocks.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid. Oh, God. All right, come on. Let's get into some important.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's also been. This has been a week of very interesting and big performances in the music side. We should talk about them first, I guess. Kanye's the biggest thing.

[Joe Budden]

Lucky. You lucky. You lucky. Don't worry.

[Flip]

We got some more after Kanye.

[Joe Budden]

We'll start with Kanye.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The headline is. We're sitting here is that the wireless festival has been canceled.

[Flip]

Well, before we do that. Cause you said music performances.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Flip]

We want to start with Friday Fair, where he did the night two.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

At SoFi. And it was. It was. It was one for the ages. Like, the live stream went out. I. I don't know if y' all watched. I put the link out.

[Joe Budden]

But tried.

[Big Freeze]

I tried, but it wouldn't work for me.

[Joe Budden]

And it worked. Yeah,

[Flip]

Kanye's a problem with. With a live show, bro.

[Big Freeze]

For sure.

[Flip]

Like, but the one we watched before where we couldn't really hear the audio. Now you can hear it.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, you can hear that one.

[Flip]

You can hear. This is official audio. So this was. This was what we. The way you want to watch it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Amen.

[Flip]

And then he, he, he brought Travis Scott out for the father record again. These new songs from this, from this bully album sound amazing in a live environment. And he, he brought Lauryn Hill out. That's like the, the takeaway from the show. Lauren Hill out. Towards the end of the show they did All Falls down for the first time.

[Big Freeze]

Amazing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Amazing.

[Big Freeze]

With the real sample back.

[Flip]

Yeah. And then Lauren had like a small set of her own. She did a couple records. She brought her sons out to do some songs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't take that no more.

[Flip]

Speak.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love Lauryn Hill. Can do no wrong for me. I go to every Lauren Hill show I can. But it's just as much as I think Miseducation is an amazing album. One for the ages.

[Flip]

Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been 20, it's been almost 30 years. Almost.

[Joe Budden]

Uh huh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's only so many ways you can mix these songs.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just ready for something different.

[Flip]

She's giving you something different because she's doing a different version of every time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to hear the reggaeton version of X Factor.

[Joe Budden]

I want, I want something different.

[Flip]

Yo, watch your fucking mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Watch your tongue. I've come to terms with people being immortalized off one album. Of course, like I'm okay with it. If your album is one of those is deserving of that. And it ain't but so many, many of them. Lauren is on that list for me. Like watching her come out with Kanye, watching her Fuji, like watching it unplug. She was fired. But I'm totally fine with, with the miseducation. Lauryn Hill being immortalized.

[Big Freeze]

That's where the All Falls down sample comes from.

[Joe Budden]

So I want to give props to the, the stage designer and the lighting guy, Austin. I had to look him up and find out who it was. That's how blown away I was by that stage and that lighting. Everything about that outside of his, outside of the music, Kanye, and every time he pops out like that is one of the better visual artists that we've had in our lifetime.

[Big Freeze]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

He is. Regardless of how you feel about his psyche and his mental health or other

[Big Freeze]

lifetimes, he's one of the best ever amazing artists.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's when he's in his bag. That's when he's in his bag. And I don't blame him. Not that I don't blame, but I can see people seeing that show, seeing what he did three nights in a row and being like, you know what? Let's. Let's try it over here. Let's try it over here, Right?

[Flip]

Yeah, absolutely. I'm. I was. What do you mean? Let's try it over here? But that was booked already before this show.

[Big Freeze]

I'm sure a festival like this is not booked last minute, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it ain't booked no more.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't booked no more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's important. And just on the sofa thing. It took everything I had in me to listen to the album. I could never buy a Kanye ticket. I support growth. I believe in forgiveness. I just don't think I haven't seen enough growth there for me to invest in a Kanye.

[Flip]

What could he do?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know. I'd have to think it through, but I would need to at least see some consistency, you know what I mean? Right. Because to your point, apologies accompanied with merchandise, dice, and album rollouts to me is always a question mark. I give him the benefit of the doubt. I do think his mental health disclosure in the Wall Street Journal is true, all of that, but I need to see something else. I'm disturbed a little bit by how quickly we forgive. Which is why I was so excited to see the wireless festival. Although I have a thought on that too. It's like everybody's not forgiving them that much. You know when they say, well, you're not even allowed in the U.K. yeah.

[Big Freeze]

That's wild.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? Because initially it was. Was when the festival was announced, the sponsors started pulling out. We had. You had the Pepsi. It was four major sponsors.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Dago Pepsi.

[Flip]

Pepsi was the biggest one, though.

[Big Freeze]

PayPal is also very big.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, PayPal.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And there was a fourth and there

[Flip]

was another one because Pepsi was like the official sponsor.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Flip]

So when they put their report out, it was like, oh, so you said

[Ish]

that you were happy that they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you said, M. I was happy to see the accountability and people. People stand. I wish black people did that more. He was banned from the sponsors first said, hey, we're not rocking with this. I think there's some dishonesty there because clearly you don't book a festival with Kanye west unless you've already spoken to the sponsors ahead of time and cleared course.

[Flip]

Well, there's a clip out now. An interview with the. The head of the festival.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Who says, hey, before we even picked Kanye, we ran it by Pepsi. Right. Who okayed it? They woke. They knew we had Kanye as the head.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Carolina.

[Flip]

They were okay with it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Flip]

And now, I guess amidst all the backlash, they pulled out Pepsi will have deniability. Could say, hey, I don't know. You might have talked to him. You ain't talk to this person. And he got to make the call.

[Joe Budden]

So Pepsi been on since homeboy bought all of those Pepsi reward points and tried to buy. And they ain't let him get there. Man, out of here. Pepsi ain't drinking no soda no more. Get that nigga's plane.

[Flip]

I'm on his side with that still.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, he found a loophole. Yep, he won.

[Flip]

And they answer it anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Out of here.

[Ish]

What was the hoopla? I don't understand what you're saying. What was the contro. I mean, besides Kanye. After Kanye apology, he did something else.

[Flip]

No, we heard your apology, but we don't give a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We're not over the Nazi stuff. We're not over the Hitler stuff.

[Flip]

70 things and then you apologize. And then you do another 25 things and you apologize. Some is like, yo, dog, I'm not beat for your.

[Ish]

Let me ask you a question. So I have a question. I have a question. When white people do it and they're easily forgiven, are you. Do you hold the same sentiments that you have? Because, like, why would you be like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, who give me.

[Ish]

I don't. One of them white.

[Joe Budden]

One of their users right now online is the Tourette's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dude.

[Ish]

Wait, hold on.

[Flip]

But why.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good example. If you said, next year at the Oscars, go ahead, flip.

[Joe Budden]

I apologize.

[Ish]

Nah, nah, Joe, this joke. The answer is question.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't my question.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he was giving an example

[Flip]

for your question for you.

[Ish]

I'm just. I forgot what I was saying was. You still hold. I don't agree with you saying that. I'm happy that these people took a stance against Kanye west because I just. He's a black man, number one. Number two, we should be more open to people acknowledging that they had some issues and seeking the help. I do understand what you're saying. That it came with Merchant, it came with a roll out. I'm with you 100%.

[Flip]

But real quick, I think the time. This ain't. This ain't the first time that. That's my beef with Kanye. This ain't. If this the first time, okay, maybe I can give you benefit of the doubt, but if this is like the fourth or fifth time, I see the pattern here. Now I look at more than just.

[Big Freeze]

Also. I think it's a timing thing. Like, that was pretty recent that when we were here talking about the magazine.

[Ish]

It sound different coming from Mar, though. Cause of What Mark stands for. To me it sounds different coming from him. Cause of what you stand for?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I stand for first. I stand for justice. Just on some black shit, which was my point. He said a whole bunch of anti black shit. And I'm actually frustrated, as I said a few minutes ago, that black people don't stand on this harder. You know what I mean? I also stand against anti Semitism. I don't support anti Semitism. And he said some things that are all awful. The Nazi stuff mentioning Hitler, who by the way don't fuck with black people either. So that's also anti black. So there's all the levels to it. And I don't think it's okay for us to sweep it under the rug. I think what pisses me off is that none of these companies would have pulled out when he said slavery was a choice. None of these countries, when he said all the white lives matter stuff when he was antagonizing black folk. None of these corporations would have pulled out. They are pulling out on this issue. I don't like that, but I'm consistent across the board.

[Ish]

So do you believe that he was suffering from some. He had a mental health issue.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Ish]

And now he's trying to get better.

[Joe Budden]

You just believe that doesn't excuse anything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it explains some of it, but also prior if we accept his timeline for the mental health issues, he said wild shit before that and he said wild shit in the middle of it.

[Ish]

But he probably.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not going off his timeline. Why would I go off a sick person's timeline of their sickness?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm saying is the only reason we know that he's sick is cause he said, look, I've dealing with this illness over this period of time.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that's true either, but

[Ish]

you could use the same.

[Flip]

Wait, hold up a minute.

[Joe Budden]

That's not, not true.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

That is not the only way we know when somebody is sick. He has before he ever 10, 20 years when his mom died.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's been.

[Joe Budden]

He been right since and there's been mumblings of it. We didn't need him to come out and say something's off about that guy.

[Flip]

I say it every day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true. That's fair. Okay, I, I agree with that point. We, we. I wasn't really saying anything different, but

[Joe Budden]

I, I'm saying that we won't know unless he says.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't mean that. I misspoke. I didn't mean that literally.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Obviously I'VE been saying for years, we can list Kim has said it, Other people have said it. There's no doubt Kanye has been dealing with issues. I guess what I'm saying is if we take his apology on its face, maybe that's a better way of saying it. He's saying, I'm apologizing because this thing happened to me. I've been dealing with this stuff for this period of time. And I'm saying that if I accept that, if I accept him at his word, that ain't the only time he said fucked up shit. But even in the midst of that fucked up shit, I have to now I have to trust him. And I'm saying give it some time.

[Joe Budden]

I don't yet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, not yet. Give it some time.

[Flip]

Too soon. Not just that.

[Ish]

Fair enough.

[Flip]

Even if you came to this realization that now I could publicly address my mental health issues. Cool. If he would have done that a year and a half ago, then comes the new album, then comes this rollout, then comes all of these things.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a little bit more tolerable, looks less cynical.

[Flip]

If you did this shit two months ago, you already working on your album less than two months ago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You get what I'm saying?

[Flip]

So if you were already knowing that you were going to do these things and now to, to, to. It's like when a comedian gets in trouble now they got to go back on the road, they gotta address the fuck ups that they had. So now I'm gonna go address these fuck ups so I can hit y' all with this new. Because I know people not gonna gravitate to it unless I apologize to the mess. It looks disingenuous.

[Ish]

Can I say something to you?

[Flip]

Sure.

[Ish]

Like I. I deal with family members that suffer from mental health issues and do things that's erratic.

[Joe Budden]

I would never guess that.

[Ish]

Cool. You could keep that joke. I really deal with it and that was inappropriate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't care about you fucking with your family.

[Joe Budden]

It was fucked up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

I deal with people and I guess my kids get mad at me all the time because once they. I see them trying to get the help, I end up forgiving them. Right. And I know how far they go when they're going through that stage of whatever they're going through. And there's some shit that you. Some things are being said, some things that you'd never imagined. Stories are being made up. There's something in their mind that I can't understand and only a professional can. So I'm more forgiving to not To. I understand what Kanye said and I'm with all that. I'm not. But if somebody's on their way to get the help. Mark. Yeah. And they're seeking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How do we know he is?

[Flip]

You took the words out of my mouth. How do we know that?

[Big Freeze]

I think forgiveness is a journey. I don't think forgiveness is always instant. I think like, let's walk through this forgiveness together.

[Flip]

Right.

[Ish]

But a lot of people make fun of people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Ish]

That's acknowledging that they're going through some mental health issues. We don't take it serious. That's the problem today in America. We don't take it serious in our hood. We don't take it serious in our community. Even in the black community we frown upon. It's not until I came up here and he started to. Joe Budden started to say, yo, I went through this, I'm going through this and I seek help. Even me, I was ignorant before I came up here. Before I came up here, I'm like, man, you a bitch now. When he said it and he was proud of it and said, yo, I needed to take the steps to get better for my family, that was dope to me. Then I realized the people around me, a lot of people are afraid to talk about their mental health conditions or what they go through. It's a macho thing that come with it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm sorry. Flip my question to Mark. What does accountability look like?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I think when you talk about accountability, people.

[Joe Budden]

No, in this instance.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know, I know. I was gonna say, I think part of the restorative process is asking who was harmed and how do we make them whole. So if he's just on. Just on the anti Semitic point, I think it's not for me to decide. I think those conversations need to happen with the Jewish community about how to restore that in the same way that those conversations have to happen with the black community about what he said. What I have found though, is that while he has been appropriately contrite in public with his anti Semitic comments, he ain't did shit for black folk, but just keep selling us stuff. So I don't know exactly what accountability looks like, but I know, cuz we'd have to think it through, but I don't think he's made any steps toward it with us at all. That's my concern.

[Flip]

But also reason for that. The reason for that is because when you start being disrespectful to certain demos in certain communities, they're gonna cut you off by the Kneecaps if they can. And they gonna pull every single ad dollar, they gonna pull every single piece of support. If I got a. If I got a monkey in that race over there, my monkey not running. If I got something over here, I'm not doing it with us. We don't do that with nobody. With Gucci, with any entertainer, with anybody that wrongs us or crosses us, we'll diss them for three months and then we go back to buying they shit. When you start being disrespectful to the Jewish community, when you start being disrespectful to the LGBTQ community, they gonna cut you off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My

[Joe Budden]

he ain't with me all letters.

[Flip]

Oh, but pardon me, but you know what I'm talking about. And now you gotta earn their forgiveness with us. He don't have to earn. Cause you home or you feel like you at home. Well, it's a two part. Because a lot of people was look at him as. He's one of us. So we. We embrace our own a little bit more anyway. Like, we want him to be, but he don't embrace.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I understand.

[Flip]

I'm with you. I'm just telling you how people look at it as like, Flip ain't really. Flip don't wanna come in here and condemn a black man. You know what I'm saying? So it's like a lot of black people look at us. Kanye's one of ours. We know we need help. We don't. They already shitting on him. We don't wanna shit on them.

[Joe Budden]

Well, my thing is, I don't believe that. I agree with everything y' all said, especially Ish's point. I don't believe that. I believe that Kanye's fan base has changed. I don't think that he considers himself one of us.

[Flip]

Home, home.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that he has the love and the reverence and the yada, yada, yada.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't believe that at all. That's why I didn't watch the concerts. The Bully album is not good enough for me to excuse things. What comes to mind specifically is the. The the Clan outfit. When he went to do that, that interview and sold it, that was nuts. But I have. I. I'm with Flip. I believe he. Him to be a mental health case. I believe that 1, 2. Because of that. Some of them songs he was singing don't even sound right to me no more.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Like, Lauryn Hill was great, but you singing All Falls down don't hit for me. Like, it's, like it's. It's a caricature. It's not the guy that made it. It's almost the antithesis of the guy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But. But I'm with Flip. I want him to be better. I keep him in my prayers. I have love for him. He's an important part of music and just all of the, all of the. All of the bells and the whistles, so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not past that. I'm not invested.

[Big Freeze]

I also don't think this is the biggest of deals. I mean, it is obviously a big financial thing, but he just sold out two shows in la. He's not going to do the show in uk. I feel. Feel bad for his fans in uk, but I'm pretty sure he's going to do another show probably soon and it'll

[Flip]

be doing them around. Like you've been doing these shits all around the world. Mexico, Japan. Like he's been on tour. Yo, you got to take a stand. My. Like, I. I'm not to your point. I'm not mad at them for taking a stand.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yo, bro, you have to be held accountable for certain that you say and you certain that you do. Cool. I think everybody up here can agree that he has some mental health issues. Yeah, but those mental health issues, when you wouldn't put that clan on, you did that. That was deliberate. That was conscious. I don't know, because I'm not a mental health expert and I don't want to be disrespectful to nobody that's going through these issues. My. You got dressed, you ordered that. You got dressed, you put that on and then you did whatever you did with that. That wasn't by mistake. The white lives matter wasn't by mistake. And then you stood on that shit publicly. When you start speaking, speaking. My. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta eat that. And there's another part. People don't have to forgive your apologies.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's.

[Flip]

That's the part that people. You think because I go on my. I go on my apology tour, I, I quote, unquote, made it right. Sometimes the people you hurt don't care. Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's forever or they need time. Yeah.

[Flip]

Like, bro, you could, you could make all. You can make all the right decisions going forward. And they're all people out there that you can't come back from. What you said. It's true. And I know firsthand there's people out there that I've Heard with certain things that I've said. No matter what. It don't matter no more. You forever over there. And that's just what it is. You gotta eat that if that's what you did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And he said that in his letter.

[Ish]

That's part of both of y' all saying this.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all say that, but y' all watch the show and listen to the album.

[Ish]

But to both of y' all saying that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Flip]

I watch the show.

[Ish]

This is my last.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my limit. That's my line. And if I weren't on the show, Joe Button podcast, I wouldn't have listened to it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, okay.

[Ish]

And freeze.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. I'm making you listen to that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You make us do a lot of things that are against my values, man.

[Ish]

Saying that, like, when you going through something, man, like saying that, like you made a decision, you was conscious a lot of times. No, man. Like they'd be in another world.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Ish]

And I think that. I think that. I think that you should do the. Just you smart guy.

[Flip]

Just do the research.

[Ish]

It's not. It's not as cut and dry as you say it is.

[Joe Budden]

You might be right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me get your take. You could be right to that point. Do you think him being part of MAGA is his mental health, or do you think that's his real political belief?

[Ish]

I think that was his real political belief.

[Flip]

Can I ask you a question?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For me, that might be enough to not fuck with him if you. A lot of support.

[Ish]

Yeah, but a lot of people support Trump. That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And a lot of those people. I won't go to the concerts. I ain't going to see Chili either.

[Flip]

To the victim of the hate speech or the victim of these actions. Do you think they care what your mental health was in the moment when you did these things?

[Ish]

No.

[Flip]

Like, that's what I'm talking about. Some people. All right, cool. You was having an episode. He was having a moment. You still did that. And you gonna have to live with the results of that. Yeah, that's just how it goes. Also, he's. He's released a statement about the wireless cancellation, and it says, to those I've hurt. I've been following the conversation around wireless, and I want to address it direct, directly. My only goal is to come to London and present a show of change, bringing unity, peace and love through my music. I know words aren't enough. I'll have to show change through my actions. If you're open, I'm here with Love. Yay. Formerly known as Kanye West. And he sent that to whom posted it.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, how you feel about that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, he, I, I appreciate his maturity in, in not going, you know, ape about it, but that's what you're supposed to say. But at some point he has accepted it. Might not have that message of love. Might not happen now. This ain't the US in the 80s with black people where you just go to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson and say, I'm sorry for calling you a nigger and keep going. No, you're gonna need long term accountability. I hope he does have those conversations with the right people and I hope one day we do get to a place of healing. But it's just hard for his healing to be connected to making money. Handover fist.

[Joe Budden]

What would you say if he wanted to talk to you personal, privately, about some of these transgressions?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would love to. And I've offered that before. And then I stopped offering it after it kind of went off the. After the Chris Cuomo interview.

[Big Freeze]

I think it's particularly difficult with the Nazi stuff. Doing a show in Europe or they were bombed by Nazis and firsthand dealt with the displaced.

[Flip]

Yeah, like family members, tortured family members, refugee, all of that stuff. Like, bro, you got to think about what you said.

[Joe Budden]

And yeah, he might be bad at geography like me. He probably don't know what's going on.

[Flip]

I just think that we get entitled as human beings.

[Joe Budden]

I saw some of the backlash that I and maybe some other people received for my prediction of what would happen if Kanye west and Jay Jay Z did A versus And I'd like to expound. I'd like to expound because I was down south with some time to think. I picked Jay Z to win if they were ever to do a verse that some people called me crazy. This is my in depth review of how I think it would go. They both have all of the records for days. All of them. And they both have. What I think is very important in verses is A side, B, sides. So I think whoever goes second would win. Right?

[Flip]

The last 10, whoever. But, you know, the format was Let me just go.

[Joe Budden]

Let me just go. They. They switch up. Anybody that goes second would win. So my advantage goes to the person that could steal some of the. I'm going first round, Right? With that said, I still pick Jay Z to win if it goes to 20. I would pick Jay Z to win if it went to 30. Anything past 30. I think the musicality of Kanye west would outlast the lyricism from hov. That's what I think. So I wanted to just briefly throw a couple of rounds out at y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Please just answer the rounds. I don't want to hear your opinion on the rounds.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Just give me what would win so I could get a gauge from y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

If champion Kanye west were to go against. Hands up. 12:00am all way to the club.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do it again.

[Joe Budden]

Do it again. Do it again. If champion were to go against. Do it again. What? What wins?

[Big Freeze]

Do it again.

[Joe Budden]

I pick do it again.

[Ish]

Also.

[Joe Budden]

Do you realize that you were a champion? Yes, I am

[Flip]

going champion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think Champion.

[Big Freeze]

Champions.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like. I was.

[Joe Budden]

I picked dud again against champion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I take champion over dude.

[Flip]

I think majority of the country.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care. I just want your opinion.

[Flip]

Well, I'm taking champion, cuz that's a vibe too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It just depends on.

[Joe Budden]

So champion is.

[Flip]

Do it again.

[Joe Budden]

Mark goes champion.

[Ish]

Do it again.

[Joe Budden]

I go do it again too. Okay.

[Big Freeze]

I might go champion now, actually.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so three.

[Flip]

Three.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Monster. Kanye west versus Reservoir Dogs. Jay Z. Monster.

[Flip]

Monster. The Versus.

[Joe Budden]

See, I picked Reservoir Dogs.

[Flip]

But can he play Monster?

[Big Freeze]

He holds on.

[Flip]

It's Jay Z on it, so it's his record.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that is a little bit of a. I get your point.

[Joe Budden]

Point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's what wins. I'm thinking Monster. Monster.

[Flip]

Monster wins, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not arguing with you. I'm just giving my take and moving on.

[Big Freeze]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not arguing. I wish we could Song Cry versus Devil in a New Dress.

[Big Freeze]

Song.

[Flip]

I gotta go.

[Joe Budden]

Song cry. I got Devil in a New Dress.

[Flip]

What's Devil in the New Dress? You know, I'll be knowing the name of the song.

[Big Freeze]

Rick Ross.

[Flip]

I got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ordered the jerk. She said you all what you eat.

[Joe Budden]

I got you.

[Flip]

I got him.

[Joe Budden]

I got him. I got a devil.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I knew when you hear you. Oh, you might take. You might take. Devil in the Dress. I need. I love it though. I love it though.

[Big Freeze]

You know.

[Flip]

Put your hands to the constellations. The way you look should be a sin.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You my sensation. I know I'm preaching to the.

[Joe Budden]

And I'll tell you one thing. I was on the fence at first, but if it's some way. If it's some way, we get to the end,

[Big Freeze]

It's in the middle too.

[Joe Budden]

Middle. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But yo, you got this off right now.

[Joe Budden]

I am sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Put on a little song crow to make it fair, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

Otherwise, sorry, buddy.

[Big Freeze]

That's a good. That's a good one on one.

[Joe Budden]

Good one.

[Ish]

One sound.

[Joe Budden]

Love Song.

[Flip]

I'm going Song might just be more. I'm still going. So I'm going.

[Joe Budden]

S. I'm going.

[Big Freeze]

I'm still going Song.

[Flip]

The lyrics resonate a little more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Most incredible. Baby.

[Big Freeze]

That's a great ride.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's. Pick them. Like, ain't no wrong end. I take double in the drink.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'm gonna go. Songcra.

[Joe Budden]

And lastly, all falls down. Dead presidents.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oof. I'm taking dead.

[Joe Budden]

And for me, I'm taking dead president.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm taking dead presidents.

[Big Freeze]

I think I'll go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's mainly. Cause I can't have Kanye win every round.

[Joe Budden]

I got some point.

[Flip]

All falls down, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I decided over the weekend that Kanye wins. Beats Jay Z in a version.

[Joe Budden]

Kanye wins if it goes to 50. 50 or 40.

[Flip]

I think he wins when he goes

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

to 20 at this point.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't see it, because all the songs you just played would be in the 20.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I picked Jay Z for the majority of those matches.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I picked Kanye for him. That's why I switched. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And my last question to y', all, what does Kanye play for where I'm from?

[Flip]

I think it depends on.

[Joe Budden]

Because it's a B side. I didn't want it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he got a couple of them, but

[Big Freeze]

he don't have nothing with that grit. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Nothing. I'd have to think.

[Joe Budden]

But what if heard him say, that's a tough one.

[Big Freeze]

That's a tough one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was listening that this weekend.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Heard him say versus where I'm from. My final one.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, I don't like that matchup.

[Flip]

But it's a horrible matchup.

[Joe Budden]

Then forget it. Forget it. It's horrible. I just think where I think those records, the way I'm from is just.

[Flip]

I just think it depends on the crowd.

[Joe Budden]

Can I live Live that. Those are going to be tough. But, yeah, I got Kanye if it goes to 40, anything under 40, I

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

think I got yay beaten.

[Flip]

I got everybody that's from the tri state area saying, new York. I've been saying Kanye will lose. And I got the rest of the country when they hit these records saying, Kanye wins.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I've been converted. I was converted this weekend when I thought about it.

[Flip]

And this is a problem. No, he's a problem. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

He's different.

[Big Freeze]

Too many records.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Y' all know what time it is, man. Come on. Come on, let's do it. If you love my.

[Flip]

Shut up and listen to the words. True.

[Big Freeze]

I'm with him.

[Joe Budden]

Sleeping on the train. Are you next? When I was sleeping on the train Sleeping on Mark. Stop it, Mark. Stop it. Stop it, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Without a single.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man. Stupid. Stop it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mastering the pain Shut the up and

[Joe Budden]

listen to the bars. Listen, bars.

[Flip]

When I was sleeping on the train

[Joe Budden]

Sleeping on me out in the rain without even perceiving Slice of pizza to my too proud to beg for change Master in the pain New York calling Southern rappers

[Flip]

Guess what, Guess what. Guess what. Watch this. Whoever a bruise we know you the enemy.

[Joe Budden]

You a coward.

[Big Freeze]

Let's go. Jay, talk to him.

[Flip]

Yeah, and I'm still going to stand on my flag. Coward. When I was sleeping on the train that's my favorite part. I'm get right back to it.

[Joe Budden]

No, no respect. No, no, no, no. Listen, audience. Parks and Mark are going to try their best best to defend this hooting.

[Big Freeze]

Defending lyricism. You're right, Bars. That being said, listen to the lyric.

[Joe Budden]

I'm playing this again. Y' all shut up. Listen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. No.

[Joe Budden]

Let's rock.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's rock.

[Joe Budden]

Give Mark some time to gather himself. You'll be next. You'll be next. Sleeping on the train I'm sorry, Rory. They with you?

[Flip]

They don't shut the up and listen to me.

[Big Freeze]

Shut the up.

[Joe Budden]

I love a good boo party.

[Flip]

Guess what. Guess what. Watch this.

[Joe Budden]

Whoever boos, we know you the Internet.

[Flip]

If you boo, you're a cow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because you won't boo.

[Joe Budden]

They booing in your face. Where you think they hiding?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They was sleeping on a train.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait, here's some more ways six. Now.

[Ish]

Cut the beat.

[Flip]

Cut the beat.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this needs help. Yo. Shut up. Shut your ass up.

[Big Freeze]

At least he put the beat on this time.

[Joe Budden]

We we done, buddy. We finished with this guy. Buddy. We out of here here, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Peace to the God, J. Electronic I stand with him. I stand with him. Look, first of all, you got to understand the context. Cuz a lot of y' all ignore the context.

[Flip]

Let me hear it.

[Big Freeze]

Keep write it.

[Joe Budden]

Write it out. Thank

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

man. Shut the up and listen to my lyrics.

[Joe Budden]

Stop, stop, stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop it, Kenny.

[Flip]

Stop it, Kenny. Cuz I want to hear these want. I want to see person.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he was saying.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all won do it in my face like y' all do it from when I'm on stage.

[Big Freeze]

They

[Ish]

somebody said look, they rapping.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He only had to rap my name.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, that's me and Mark in the crowd right now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me tell you.

[Flip]

You. I'm never against fans like throwing shit. I was with it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My fans was out of pocket, man. No, they wasn't listen, he was out of pocket. All jokes aside, this was the content, the lyrical pocket he was doing. He was doing all of the songs where he would start with the beat and then go acapella. That was the show he was doing. And I don't see nothing wrong with that. And the fans, I mean, you cannot like it. But I'm not booing if I. I'm not booing somebody offstage because they doing a performance I don't like. Y' all was fine with the country western version. The lost ones. When Lauryn Hill came out there, she flipped some shit up. Why can't he come out there and do acapella verses? That's what he did.

[Big Freeze]

The only problem with this is that beat is really good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's amazing beat. It's one of the things people love about it. You ever see like that's.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not just an amazing beat. It's not just an amazing beat. It's arguably one of the best beats ever made.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

And if you happen to have it, play it.

[Big Freeze]

It's my song.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, little rap, yo, play it.

[Flip]

Just give us the beat.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The beat is so fire that a lot of people ignored the genius of the song. Mark, do me a favor.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, do me a favor. Read the genius of the. The. The quote that you put in the group chat. Read the genius of that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't have it?

[Joe Budden]

Have it for you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. No problem, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I saw Jay Electronica live last night and it was the most interesting show I've been to in a while. He only played the first 10 seconds of every song and spit the rest of the verses acapella. He would stop in the middle of a verse to talk about conspiracy theories.

[Big Freeze]

This sounds like a great show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is a great show by exhibit

[Joe Budden]

C. Some people had enough and started booing. Most people were there for currency. Jay crashed out and went into the crowd calling them pussy and saying they wouldn't boo to his face. He was right. My favorite rapper.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just to be clear. Just because that wasn't my quote. I know that wasn't what the fans. I didn't say that. That's what I was posting. What a fan said.

[Joe Budden]

Pat J Electronica the fuck up, man. I wish I. I was you lucky my aunt birthday was this weekend. I'd have flew there to boo you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you would not have.

[Joe Budden]

I would have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You a coward.

[Joe Budden]

I would have flew there to. I didn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He would have did in his face. I guarantee you that.

[Joe Budden]

I've been waiting 16 years to boo him. To his face. Rory never brought him to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Rory kept us separate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that like a who's a better MC Thing?

[Joe Budden]

Get him the out of here. No, it's you. Muslims in hip hop been trying to big up this for about 20 years.

[Big Freeze]

He's a amazing.

[Joe Budden]

I know, I know, I know. I'm retired. I don't care. A lot of people got me wiped down. I'm top 75. I don't care. That.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't get even in your prime.

[Joe Budden]

He only made two songs. What are you talking about? And this is my problem with you delusional J elect people. He got six songs. Don't talk to me about him. That's not gonna get a rise out of me. He put out like 30 songs last year.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's talk about.

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't listen to none of that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you. You should have.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll have Roy send it to you.

[Joe Budden]

I won't. Don't have him send nothing to me. Unless it's the Rory album I don't want. Other than the Rory album. He can't send me none of this. Listen, this is a absolute show. Now, granted.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hater.

[Joe Budden]

Granted.

[Big Freeze]

That's hate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Granted.

[Joe Budden]

When I got booed off the stage, I did it a lot. Sassier.

[Big Freeze]

He sounded way tougher than you did.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's a fact. I'll put this mic down now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Rich.

[Flip]

Thank you. One more time.

[Ish]

He did that.

[Joe Budden]

You going to jump in? They could joke, but you going to jump. That's what make it hurt. I was there, but that's what makes it hurt. They could joke, but you going to joke on me? I'm on a friend

[Flip]

telling you I got paid to be here.

[Joe Budden]

You was right about that 100k.

[Flip]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway. Oh, man. No, you wasn't right about that, honey.

[Flip]

Yeah, all right.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Anyway, back to jla.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I get his frustration. If I go out there, Joe gets his frustration too.

[Flip]

That's what. Yeah, I ain't gonna say all that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not getting to the frustration part. I'm getting to the stupid part. Every rapper's been frustrated at a show. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not clowning him for that. I'm clowning him walking in the crowd with it. Well, not even that. Cuz the deal with it bad. This is a bad decision. This is like when Crooked used to grab the mic and. All right, Acappella time. Nobody here came here for acapella. We want to hear the slap. We want to hear the beat. We want to rap along. You have it. It's one of the best beats we ever heard.

[Flip]

Yeah, but pull it out of your

[Joe Budden]

back pocket and do it.

[Flip]

No, I'm not like when Crook would do that.

[Joe Budden]

That it's.

[Flip]

It's real. It's in the middle of the show. As I'mma do this real quick. And we get back to this. He's doing this for every song, bro. Like and totally different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the show.

[Ish]

What do you mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was it presented at that show would be like that.

[Flip]

If that. If that's his fan base number one.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't his fan base.

[Flip]

That's the problem. That raps exceptionally well lyrically. Exceptionally well, well. And a lot of people that are real lyrical miracle, I. E. Crook, I. E. Jay Z. Sometimes they will cut the song off so you can hear the words that I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

That beats really with the vibe today.

[Flip]

They don't do it to every. I'm just giving you an ex song. The fans will get tired. He didn't boo in the beginning.

[Joe Budden]

He don't even have the songs to do that.

[Flip]

Yo. You get what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think every single have the songs

[Joe Budden]

to say, hey, yo, cut this off. I need to get with them for a minute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Lyrically, I think. I think people have been so captivated by that beat, it was time for them to hear the. The actual bars.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Mark, bro, this is towards the

[Ish]

end of the show.

[Flip]

You did this like you said, every song. He let 10 seconds of the beat play and now you spit n acapella Every record.

[Big Freeze]

All the beats beat though.

[Flip]

But I'm saying by the time we got here, the fans is tired of this and we not your fans. And none of that let currency come on.

[Joe Budden]

None of the Muslim hip hop said a word when he was dating that white girl. That's my other problem with these.

[Flip]

What that got to do with Islam, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Muslim does not see race or racism.

[Ish]

Don't. Please just leave them alone, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just let it go.

[Big Freeze]

Try to save you.

[Ish]

You know it's ma.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You want to hear the truth?

[Flip]

You know it's mad white Muslims, right?

[Ish]

Stop tickling me.

[Flip]

It's mad white Muslims.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what. That's what Malcolm X said in his letter from Jed. I think it was more about the

[Joe Budden]

white woman he was dating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Talking about the Rothchild.

[Big Freeze]

Allegedly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Allegedly. And I don't know that to be true.

[Ish]

So Jay electronically, I never met.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, am I in the Matrix?

[Flip]

No, this mark with cake boy never met. I know that to be true.

[Joe Budden]

Internet rumor Next time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My phone. My phone.

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He got the charge. It's got the charge.

[Flip]

My. My dead too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what they did.

[Joe Budden]

This was funny. Oh, yo, the news sometimes. Sometimes the news gives you good before you come to work. I looked at my phone. Me too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I was like, it's going to be a long day.

[Joe Budden]

It was like, say word.

[Big Freeze]

See, I didn't even think about. I saw Elliot posted it. I just gave it a little like. And I was like, this guy's dope, man. Lyricism and hip hop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Did y' all see when he went in the crowd?

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Big Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

There are white Muslims in hip hop. Hey, you know what you just learned?

[Big Freeze]

We hold it down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Have you never done Pump it up acapella?

[Joe Budden]

No, that's. That's exact. That's exactly.

[Big Freeze]

It's not a perfect example. They're not in the same same.

[Joe Budden]

I love that example.

[Flip]

It is a good one.

[Joe Budden]

I like it because that's his hit. It's a technically. But J.

[Flip]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

I would be handicapping myself. I would be handicapping myself. That is one of the better beats ever. Pump it up. I happen to think that I have one of those. Imagine me. Yo, yo, cut it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cut that.

[Big Freeze]

Wait, wait.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just for.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Pump it up. If you came to get it Crumble the day machin.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you can't.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no good.

[Flip]

But you ain't got the.

[Ish]

Ball

[Joe Budden]

it up. If you can, you gotta.

[Ish]

You know,

[Joe Budden]

You gotta put some swag.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't just do it carrying him. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Shooting dog.

[Flip]

One of your other.

[Joe Budden]

You're ruining the friendship, dog.

[Flip]

One of your other more lyrical songs. If you did that. And cut the beat off. And slowly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

More music 14. So there's some in there that you. There some in there, I'm sure. About the pyramids.

[Joe Budden]

No, that wasn't me. No, that was. That wasn't me at all. That was J. The pyramid.

[Flip]

And I want you to stop exhibit

[Big Freeze]

C so I can learn about the pyramids today.

[Joe Budden]

Actually, JX fans make me go hard. That J Elect. Honestly, I understand these.

[Flip]

No, I'm a fan.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a huge fan. He's a huge fan.

[Big Freeze]

He interrupted his albums for Conspiracy the Amazing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is I Got Respect.

[Ish]

This is J Elect.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Jay Elect. Hey, hear me and hear me good.

[Big Freeze]

Remember when he used to wear a cape and carry like a staff on stage?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, this is him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's that dude.

[Big Freeze]

He's kind of chilled out.

[Joe Budden]

We need to admit him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No to the hall of Fame.

[Big Freeze]

We need to admit that he's one of the greatest ever.

[Joe Budden]

That's J. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That guy. Bars,

[Joe Budden]

they've been talking.

[Flip]

They was ready.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is like freestyle, right? I love J. Electronic A shout out to my brother.

[Big Freeze]

Me too, man.

[Joe Budden]

Just be lucky it was my birthday. Boy, I would have been in that crowd when you walked by talking about who going to boo in my face.

[Flip]

Me. Boo.

[Joe Budden]

Boo. I threw tomatoes and all that.

[Big Freeze]

Would have been there to make sure. Went smooth.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Fucking jail. And where is Currency?

[Flip]

That's what they were saying.

[Joe Budden]

Bring out Currency.

[Big Freeze]

Shout Currency.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Currency.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Currency now.

[Joe Budden]

Bad. You gotta be for the whole crowd together to say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, go ahead, finish that thought.

[Flip]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

No. Cause Currency is dope. Yes, Currency is dope. I can't finish the thought.

[Big Freeze]

I wonder where he was at. All them New Orleans rappers. When I was in New Orleans, Currency

[Joe Budden]

was on the toilet.

[Flip]

He wiped his ass so fast to get up there.

[Joe Budden]

Hurry up, hurry up. He couldn't even get up minute to himself. J Electer.

[Big Freeze]

He was sitting there getting ripped backstage, laughing his ass off.

[Joe Budden]

That's, that's a fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And J Leck is going to be on tour for the next couple of months. He's going to be in a lot of major cities.

[Joe Budden]

Is Jay Z coming?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't think so. I think it's enough just to see a good JLX show, man. He always was on a great show. Great crowd work, great beats.

[Joe Budden]

Come to Jersey.

[Big Freeze]

I'm sure he will.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He will.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, good. I can't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going, I'm going to sweep. Yeah, I'll get this.

[Joe Budden]

Come to New York. Yeah, I'll be in Melbourne's for that one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's disrespectful. He gonna hear this and he gonna clap back.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, come on. Come, Come to the Apollo. I've been dying to sandman across that Apollo hold 3500. No, it don't. No, it don't. Oh, oh, no, it does not.

[Flip]

Then they just be renov.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I, I'm not talking about the new, the renovated one. Mark, you been able to do a speech at the renovated one?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I, I, I did an event for. Yeah, last summer.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, you went with Fat Joe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was somewhere else, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That wasn't at the P. That was at the, the Autobond. The old Autobond Ballroom. The, the Shabbat center, which he's a member of the board.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a board member.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's when Fat Joe was sitting in the. In. In. In the second row when I came in. He was like, yo, I'm in the button seats.

[Joe Budden]

It was funny, disrespectful.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I held it down for you, though.

[Joe Budden]

That Joe was disrespectful.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I held it down for you.

[Joe Budden]

I saw a Fat Joe. Are we done clowning? Oh, y' all not clowning. Are we done with J.

[Big Freeze]

We're done honoring the God.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Peace, peace, peace.

[Flip]

Get him out of here. Get him out of here.

[Big Freeze]

Can't wait for the New York show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

J. I'm going to one.

[Big Freeze]

Me and Mark could be there. Facts and is and is for sure.

[Joe Budden]

And Rory is. RL Would start doing that. J Election in front of Ish. Ish was like. Like what? Oh, that is an encyclopedia, bro. Wait, Encyclopedia genius. What?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't even do all.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know that. Not true. Hey, I felt you. That's the only time I ever agreed with you. We had a random jam. Get the out of here. Yo, Bad Jill and Jadakiss and them would have an interesting conversation. I wanted to ask which one made me want to come ask y' all a question. They were talking about styles and all them actually in the lock, the locks did Fato show. And they said, how old? What's. How old is too old to start a rap career. And they were having a passion and talking about. About it.

[Big Freeze]

I think it's a totally different conversation than it was in the past. We see Griselda come out, right? They're like my age. And I mean, they've been out for a while now, but they were older.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I mean, J, we just talked about J elect. He started relatively late. And if you think about ho. I mean, hov. We talking about Rakim?

[Joe Budden]

How old is jla? I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he's old. He's my age. Basically my age.

[Big Freeze]

Is he really?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

He got to be in his 40s.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But look. Look at Jay Z. I mean, Jay Z and Rakim, we think of them as different rap generations. They only 18 months apart in age. Jay Z and Rakim?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How old?

[Flip]

49.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but Jay Z and Rakim, because Jay Z started so much later in his career, him and Rakim, only a year and a half apart. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, some great rappers have started late.

[Big Freeze]

I mean, Chain started earlier, but he didn't really get, like, lit until he was later, you know what I'm saying

[Joe Budden]

today, because y' all Are going back to a different time. But today, what do you think the oldest a person could be to start their rap career?

[Big Freeze]

What kind of rapper do you want to be?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's a good.

[Big Freeze]

Because I think that matters. I think that matters. If you're doing just hip hoppy. Hip hop, I think we'll embrace you at any age.

[Ish]

Any age.

[Big Freeze]

But if you want to be a pop rapper, you probably can't be, you know, you probably can't be 30 if you're trying to be like a billboard top 10 type of rapper.

[Flip]

In my opinion, 30 might be a little young if you want to make, like, pop rap. Because chains was over 30, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, he was. He was.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Flip]

And Chain and Chains is on the chart.

[Big Freeze]

Charts, yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

So Was he over 30 in player circle?

[Big Freeze]

No, that's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

After his.

[Joe Budden]

Certainly over there.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

You got it. Got it.

[Big Freeze]

So shout out to Chains.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so I think that's a good answer, actually.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

I think it depends on what you

[Joe Budden]

want to be, the type of music you want to make. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

If you're making for the kids, it's not. It's gonna look weird.

[Flip]

If you're great, some tick tocky, it's gonna look funny.

[Joe Budden]

My favorite is when. On the algorithms. When it is two old white dudes, dudes that be rapping. When they pop up and they just start rapping. Some Irish dudes, they be killing that from London on some. On some old dude.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

My algorithm ain't get that.

[Big Freeze]

Just.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it did. Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Be similar.

[Joe Budden]

Our algorithm be the same now that we faithful.

[Big Freeze]

You get a lot of feet in your stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Faithful black men, huh?

[Big Freeze]

Did you get a lot of feet?

[Joe Budden]

No, that's never been my bad. I don't get how you do that. That. That's where we of the friendship veer the veer off. Come on. Let's keep this in the spirit of performances.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I got one for you. I just think I just sent you a clip. Trick Daddy was performing this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

Shout out to Trick Daddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout to Trick. We love you. Trick Daddy was invited to speak at the Alpha Kappa Alpha.

[Flip]

Speak or perform?

[Joe Budden]

She was not invited to speak.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry. To perform. Forgive me.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's speaking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I mean, both are kind of absurd. And if you think about it, I

[Big Freeze]

don't know about Trick Daddy got slapped.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know about that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Name one.

[Joe Budden]

Take it to the house.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Name another one.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up.

[Ish]

Name.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up Shut up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Name another one.

[Joe Budden]

All right, stop.

[Big Freeze]

Now, stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

None of them are appropriate for the Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority incorporated.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you explain it to me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Because they see themselves as an upper middle class proper organization. And to prove my point, they kicked him off the stage for having inappropriate music.

[Joe Budden]

But that they don't prove the point because. Because he also posted footage where most of them was jamming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I want you to hit the clip.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you didn't send me the clip. I don't care where I am, where this comes on. Yeah, sorry, buddy. Yeah. What is Marcus, if you can pick up J elect, nigga, you better start dancing with this little more. What the are you talking about? I don't know what this world's going to mean. Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute.

[Joe Budden]

Hey. That this is a lie for me, baby. Cuz I'm a thug. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I love tricking. I'm just saying it was.

[Joe Budden]

And he would never say, yo, cut the beat off. Let me get y'.

[Big Freeze]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, let me get y,

[Flip]

Dog.

[Joe Budden]

That's funny to see, J.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, just.

[Flip]

I'm keeping it a book to. To envision Trick daddy at the AKA Show. The AK47 Show. Yeah. But the AKA show is a little funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who like getting that pussy at?

[Joe Budden]

Well, now, now, now, that's. Now that's. Now that's where I think he may have taken it to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't. But I don't disagree with the booking. And I don't. I don't disagree with the booking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anybody you book that's going to get kicked off the station, get booked. No or don't kick them off the stage. You got to pick or no.

[Flip]

Or it could be a mistake where the. The person booking it don't know the crowd.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think you should know the crowd of the A.

[Joe Budden]

You should let me see.

[Flip]

And I think the person knew the crowd.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, what's it's like if you have a church social dmx, right?

[Flip]

Person, you spirit. Don't turn my mic down. Turn the music up. Turn my mic back up. Don't wash the stomach. Watch the dick jump on the dick. What state was this in?

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me get to south.

[Flip]

That mad.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It might have been. Was it Texas? It was. It was a south. I flew out to Orlando.

[Big Freeze]

Orlando. Orlando, Florida.

[Flip]

That ain't that bad,

[Joe Budden]

man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is not.

[Joe Budden]

This is nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Trick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They about to give my Mom a heart attack. What do you think with your everybody leaving? What's going on?

[Ish]

What he say?

[Joe Budden]

See, and that wasn't everybody leaving. He showed one portion of a crowd leaving. And what that mean? They at 60. Oh, please, please.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The concert told y' all he up there doing too much. Y. Y' all know they. They passed their bed time. It's about 10:30. Then I shut it down.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on Trick Daddy side with this.

[Big Freeze]

Me too.

[Flip]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trick Daddy is 60 years old. Talking about what? We went a little too far.

[Flip]

Okay. So I can read more into it. Apparently they met with him prior to the show and asked him to do clean versions. Oh, no. Of his song. He's responded to all of this news coming out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, let me tell you what the woman said that negro responded to. So that she said. Tiffany Moore Russell, who's the regional director of the South Atlantic aka said to my sisters who are attending the conference, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority incorporated South Atlantic region contracted with Trick Daddy, a rapper from Miami, to perform a selected list of songs. After our step and stroll competition on Friday night, we met several times with him and his team to detail our requirements, including attire, language and specific songs. Unfortunately, our requirements were ignored. The language, the lyrics, and the comments made by the artist were not accepted. I ended the performance because of the disrespect for our organization and for our brand.

[Joe Budden]

And a brief word from Trick Daddy. Yeah, so. And this is a 10 minute clip, so I'm not playing the whole thing.

[Flip]

I wake up this morning, get him, Trick. I get five, six phone calls, text messages all night. I wonder why people texted me last night saying certain things to me. So here's the thing. To whoever your organization is, I don't care if you the director, the president, I don't give a what you is in this organization. Don't use my name to clean the same face with your mother. So don't lie on me. That's the definition of my character.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't.

[Flip]

Don't definitely make my character.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do not or defame.

[Ish]

Don't definitely laughing at black men.

[Flip]

Don't do that. Don't do that. So I make sure y' all can hear me. First of all, I want to make sure I'm loud and clear so y'. All.

[Ish]

We hear you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We got you.

[Flip]

Do not defamate my character. I see a post with. That's the title. Whatever. I love church. Respect to the akas.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man.

[Flip]

Highly respected. Some of the most beautiful attractives and successful women that I know are AKA So no disrespect, y', all, but this is to y', all, regional director who got me totally up. This is for y' all, regional director who got me total, totally up. Don't lie on my mother name. Well, with the forever the. You mean Anita. Don't get on my page acting like this. Don't play with me. Get off my page, ho. Playing all them games.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we got it. We got an idea.

[Flip]

What he went on to say he's

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

making, but doing that.

[Flip]

What he went on to say was like, there are no clean versions of my songs. We. Y' all discussed this, and I said I wasn't doing clean versions. I don't have clean versions.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, how does he not have clean. What did he. When his videos played on bet, they didn't play.

[Flip]

He don't have clean versions.

[Big Freeze]

He don't have them. Someone else might have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, y' all might have them.

[Flip]

But for a performance, this is the song. Y' all know what y' all getting when y' all book me. This is who I am.

[Big Freeze]

If you want a clean rap show, you probably should not book.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's Trick.

[Ish]

Trick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I've been saying from the beginning. My point wasn't that he didn't have hits. It was that he ain't got hits that fit that place. So don't book him.

[Big Freeze]

But that's not on him. That's on them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just said either don't book him or don't kick him off the stage. You don't get it both ways. If you.

[Joe Budden]

If.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you book them, then you know what you're getting. And you gotta. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta eat that.

[Joe Budden]

I think probably one of the bars.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or don't book them. What you say?

[Flip]

It's too many people like you got at a AKA convention. It could be women that deal with this. Come on, now. Come on, now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You want your auntie hearing this?

[Flip]

Yes, my auntie heard. Aka she heard this in Cool.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Flip]

That.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She heard it.

[Joe Budden]

That's why. I don't understand why. What Mark is saying. If you.

[Flip]

Every band in America, if you were

[Joe Budden]

there when this song came out, if you were outside when this song came out, this is a college hit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, let me. Let me give y' all just two pieces of information. First, black fraternities and sororities go through life, right? So after you grow, unlike white ones, typically black ones, you.

[Flip]

You.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You still rep the colors, the stuff

[Flip]

for life at 70, 80 years old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But the people that Was lit in college. Don't go to the conferences. And the young people don't go to the conference. These conferences are mostly the old, like 60 and 70 year olds. Right.

[Big Freeze]

Which means they should have been outside for Trick Daddy's run.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe not at 70, maybe at 50.

[Flip]

50.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, no, I thought. That's not true. If you 60 now, 30 years ago. What are you talking about?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You was outside, which is point number two.

[Flip]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To the extent that that's true. Point number two, These are very relatively conservative, conservative spaces in the same way that. Like a church. Like a church. A COGIC conference or something. Right. These are relatively. This is like Jack and Jill. This is like. I mean, this is bougie space. It's older bougie space. And so Trick Daddy coming ain't really it.

[Joe Budden]

Then the beef is definitely with the regional director.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying don't.

[Ish]

He said that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying don't book him. He said don't book him or don't

[Ish]

take him off the stage.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I'm just disagreeing with Mark because in all of the footage that Trick dad, he posted.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They were having a blast.

[Flip]

And I. That's my thing. I think they. They was lit. Well, there was a couple of them in there that might have been clutching they pearls a little bit. And. And because of that, they act like they ain't know what they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The joke's right there.

[Big Freeze]

Pearl necklace.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pearl necklace joke. I was workshop and it didn't have.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway.

[Flip]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But. But yeah, no, it's. And it's some people up there that's gonna love it. But the problem is the leadership, AKA all the organization, not just aka. I have a certain idea of how they want to present to the public. So even if it's lit and you

[Flip]

like it and akas are the perceived. And stereotypically.

[Joe Budden]

Look at the compliments.

[Flip]

Good cleanup. Those are the Whitley gills. Yeah. They're like the bougie, light skin, fine hair.

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand why y' all keep saying that.

[Flip]

Because they haven't represented.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all keep making it sound like because you're bougie.

[Ish]

You know,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

they want to throw ass. They don't want to be seen. They don't want anybody to know that this is what they're doing. It's a public image. It's a branding thing, is what I'm saying.

[Flip]

Oh, there's a person I could compare this to, but I'm not going to do it.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Flip]

Brandy. But go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Whom we'll get to later.

[Flip]

Yeah, but it's that.

[Ish]

Freeze.

[Flip]

It's that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm glad to hear y'. All.

[Joe Budden]

I'm taking. I'm taking your word for it. But the. The. On the video, they was just jamming it all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I know, but the leadership is like, we don't want to be seen jamming.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just like if I went to the perfect example, if I went to Congressional Black caucus in D.C. and juvenile

[Flip]

cash money taking over for the 99 in the 2000s. Every Black woman in there knows that song. Then did whatever they did to that song. But when they got their gown on and they might not be backing that

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

thing up and the ones that are embarrassing the ones that aren't because they don't want to be seen doing that.

[Joe Budden]

Who would be an appropriate performer?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good question. Yes, for sure. J Elect Nelly. J Elect Trauma

[Ish]

Nelly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nelly would be a good one.

[Flip]

No, he wouldn't. J. They still remember. They was in college when that happened.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They had the secrets down in Cancun,

[Flip]

but they don't got all of the songs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's the limit. They love to be able to say. I said secrets. They can't leave Cancun makes them feel edgy and it can. It gestures today. They whole phase. But it's not. It's not the same as.

[Flip]

He's right.

[Ish]

No, no, no.

[Flip]

If they announce Nelly, they're going immediately back to that scandal from the swipe that was the colleges happening. They were there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But your points won't take. I meant that kind of artist. Nelly Ja would be great job would be excellent. I can tell you for Kappa's one time we had maybe like 10 years ago. We had like maybe 15 years ago. We had like salt and pepper. The old heads wanted salt and pepper. You know what I mean? I think we've had naughty before. We've had like. They don't want to draw. They want to look cool without looking ratchet. Not ratchet. Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

So you have fun with salt and pepper. You have fun with Push it real good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, what you was doing.

[Joe Budden]

Push it came on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was on the school bus pushing game. I was young.

[Flip]

I'm talking about at this moment.

[Joe Budden]

Rational black Secaucus. Whatever. Secaucus.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We were in Indiana.

[Joe Budden]

This with that. Secaucus. Yo, you are full this man. Oh, man. Salt and pepper. Was they all there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, it's a little spin. Was there this before Now I think about it must have been made up now. Yes, it's been. Was they yeah, they cool now.

[Joe Budden]

Suspended the old Teddy Riley, you know. Hey, here's a new group.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cinnamon. Paprika.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, paprika and red pepper. All right, well, I'm still on trick daddy side with this. Even if Mark is right, I'm on trick daddy side. If you book me, I'm coming to the show to do my show. And if you have to cut the mics off and the lights off and the sound off to get me to stop, then let you do that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Only thing we know is somebody lying, though. Give me.

[Joe Budden]

Give me my second half. Where's my second half?

[Flip]

Not my second half. I got before. I got that before I went on stage.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of second half. Oh, look at my baby. Hey, baby. Hey, baby. My second half. Hey, Lex. Oh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oops.

[Ish]

Know

[Joe Budden]

that's my man.

[Flip]

He.

[Joe Budden]

He acts so much like me. I'mma fix him up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He walked away.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'mma fix him up.

[Ish]

What else?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We got some. Some more revelations from.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. If you. J. Elect me from the Brandy book. Oh, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which I know we've all had time to read now over the weekend.

[Big Freeze]

That's what I did all weekend for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is great.

[Joe Budden]

Did that yesterday. Right?

[Big Freeze]

On Bourbon Street.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So there were a couple things that I thought were great for the book. We gonna get to the one that's on the board. But I just wanted to say, like, the news has been filled with a lot of things she talked about in the books. I got to finish the book. She talked about her relationship with Whitney Houston. Her last conversation, I think the day before Whitney Houston died. I thought that was a great piece. She talked about her relationship with Ray J. She talked about what it was like, how she felt about herself after that awful car accident. Sure, she talked about lots of stuff, including.

[Joe Budden]

You're such a fucking prick. You really are. You just a prick. That shit don't work up here. That shit works with the rest of the world. That bullshit don't work up here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know what y' all talking about. Anyway, it was an awful car accident. And she talked about how she felt and the guilt and shame she felt for a long time afterward. She said she felt like a, quote, reckless monster, which I thought was powerful, and a lot of accountability. She talked about how the death of Aaliyah cut to the bone.

[Joe Budden]

All right, Mark, Enough of you. Enough of you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And now, Rodney Jerkins.

[Joe Budden]

Enough of you now with your. Enough.

[Ish]

Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

Sickening. All this righteous. I just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great book.

[Joe Budden]

It does seem to be a good book. I know. Friend of the show, Angie Martinez. Hosted the panel where they spoke about all of that. Awesome. The Dark Chow clip. The Dark Chow clip. That's the one. That was the one.

[Big Freeze]

Okay. What she said.

[Flip]

That was good. Rabbit.

[Ish]

I don't know about it.

[Joe Budden]

She said. And I'm paraphrasing because I didn't read the book yesterday, but she said that their relationship took a turn and they had creative differences over the Human album that she put out, where she felt like she didn't get his best work creatively. 1 and 2. She felt like she started to hear. It's the Rich Harris Ain't Marie.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

She felt like she started to hear their sound that they created together coming from other prominent female artists. And then when she got with him on Human, he got. She got some mid. And the album was unsuccessful. And the relationship was kind of tarnished from that point.

[Big Freeze]

Okay, so that seems.

[Joe Budden]

But what she said, which is the part where. Which is the part where I was just like, okay, you know, Brandi's on my list of. I don't say nothing bad about unless it's that little joke we be making you.

[Big Freeze]

I made one, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, we. We. But she said that her and Rodney Jerkins were going back and forth like siblings do.

[Flip]

I got the quote.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, great.

[Big Freeze]

Please.

[Flip]

We were going at it like usual, the way siblings do when only they know which buttons to push. Only this time, he looked me dead in the eye and said, go do what you're gonna do while I go sell 5 million records with Beyonce.

[Joe Budden]

That's all we need to hear. We only rest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

We don't need the rest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can't come back from that.

[Big Freeze]

So I do have a problem with her saying, this sound that we created, you are now giving to other artists. But when we are in the studio, you are giving me mid. If it was a y' all thing, then y' all should have created the shit that you were giving away to. That's absolutely true. You can't take credit for some shit

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

and then take the credit back when

[Big Freeze]

it doesn't apply to you.

[Flip]

She didn't take the credit. She said collaboratively, they were creating. So if you had 50 and I had 50, that's 100. But now if I come to the table with my 50 and you come to the table with 25, that's a 70 or 75 is mid.

[Big Freeze]

That's not what she's saying. She's saying the sound that we created.

[Flip]

I'm just giving you an example. You don't necessarily got to come with your best work. And we can still get mid.

[Big Freeze]

Mathematically, that makes sense. Creatively, that does not make sense.

[Flip]

Do either they created the sound or he had this.

[Joe Budden]

Well, does everyone here agree that they had a sound? Yes.

[Flip]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel like Rodney Jerkins had a

[Flip]

sound, but yeah, no, I think that I ain't gonna say that. No, I can't say that I'm either.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz the albums that she highlighted, where they were in Full groove were Full

[Flip]

Moon and Never say Never got four more albums.

[Joe Budden]

And if you are referencing those two albums, there was something unique happening there that we didn't really hear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I just. I just don't. And I agree with that. You're right. I. I just. I guess I just. I don't know if it's 5050 is all I'm saying.

[Flip]

I. I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know because I wasn't in the studio. Who did what.

[Joe Budden]

And she went on to talk about how some of that. Some of that consisted of the way that she stacked harmonies.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, that's fair. Okay, okay, that's fair.

[Joe Budden]

Not stacking of. Not the stacking of harmonies, but the way the specific. Specific. Specifically stacked them. She started to hear coming from places.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, that's a fair point, I guess for me, I don't like ultimately to Parks point, the idea of saying I don't like when people are we when we win and you when we lose. That's all I'm saying. That's really all I'm saying.

[Flip]

That's terrible.

[Joe Budden]

My problem with the quote is. Tell me what you said. Don't just tell me. He said, yo, go do whatever the fuck bullshit you about to do. I'm gonna go sell 5 million records.

[Flip]

That sounded like a response. Sound like a response to something.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's mean.

[Flip]

It's me.

[Joe Budden]

What did you say right before that? Don't just give me the like siblings who know how to trigger each other.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I want to know what diva Brandi said to Rodney Jerkins at that time

[Flip]

solicited and you see, this is going along. I'm sorry, this is going along. What I've been. The vibe I've been getting from Brandi

[Joe Budden]

is in the book.

[Flip]

I didn't read the book, but just. I'm keeping. I'm doing whatever I gotta do to keep this clean image here and everybody else is the problem, but not saying what I did to contribute, what part I played in any of this. Every story we hear that we've been hearing, it's always something that this person

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

now she did take the blame in the book, though, for example, she took the blame again. I didn't read the book on the Monica thing. She was like, I blame Monica for naming that album the Boy's Mind, when it actually, it was Clive. And I didn't take the time to hear Monica's side, and I poured kerosene on it. My fault, the accident, she said. Her fault. So she did take responsibility in some point. I just wanted. Just to be fair that she did do that sometimes. Sometimes I wanted more.

[Joe Budden]

Granny, I'm not safe and stuff.

[Flip]

But those are ones where you can walk away from you still. You don't look another way. Hold on. Those right there. You don't look any different in the public eye. Even if you take accountability for them. Some of these other ones, you might look a little differently. And we've looked at you a certain way from forever. So I'm not gonna allow. I don't want y' all to get that side. Cause it's gonna mess up this perfect image y' all have of me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's fair. That's fair. There were some points in the book where I wanted more accountability. I just wanted to point out that she did. It wasn't a complete. Like.

[Flip]

But if you. If you're taking accountability on shit that has no gray right, Is it really accountability? You get what I'm saying? Like, if it's some shit, that is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So she could have. She could have skated on the boy's mindset. She could have just blamed that on and just said, he divided two women and. But she's like, no, I poured kerosene on that shit. He fucked up. But I actually disagree.

[Flip]

But then Monica could now come out and say, no, that's not what happened. This is exactly what happened.

[Joe Budden]

I got a question for y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Ish]

So. So would y' all say that say My Name would be. That Beyonce did. Would be a Brandy sound. Say my name. Say my name.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, the Destiny's Child.

[Flip]

That's Destiny Child.

[Ish]

I know, but did Beyonce. Would that be like asking, seriously, what's so funny?

[Flip]

I could hear Brandy singing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not laughing. No, I could hear Brandy singing that. That's what I'm asking.

[Ish]

Because she said that. She said that. Thank you. Ish. She said that. Yo, you took the sound that we created and you. And you went, so I heard prominent acts singing what we created. Correct. So I'm asking you guys, as music buffs, if the say My Name song.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now you mention it, that would.

[Ish]

Can you hear Brandy singing it? Would that be considered one of the Sounds that he took. Maybe.

[Big Freeze]

I would also wonder if there's any Brandy songs that Rodney did not produce that he considered. Say you took the sauce that we created together and created that.

[Flip]

I'm not mad at him for taking the sauce somewhere else. I think that. I think that once you start creating, you can't unlearn what you learned. Right. And just hold it over there for that one particular person. But at the same token, now when you come back in the studio with me, give me that fire that you getting everybody else. And she might not have felt like he was giving it to. I'm not saying she also bailed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, she made a choice with album she talks about a little bit in the book, but she talked about other places too. There's a viral clip going around of her kicking Rodney's back in, like, 10 different places. She made a decision to make a pop album. She decided that Humans wasn't gonna be the same sound. She made a decision, and it's like. And a lot of R and B artists swing for the fences with a pop album, and then when they miss, they blame somebody else.

[Flip]

Gotta blame somebody else again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying Brandi's wrong or right. I'm saying they made a bad album. It was objectively not a. Subjectively not a good album. And like, we. We won as a team. We lost as a team. To me, that should be.

[Flip]

It should have never even came out publicly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's. That's all I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

It's also, in my opinion, irresponsible to blame the producers for the beats that you picked.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Big Freeze]

Like, you could have said, no, these. These aren't good enough. Let me go somewhere else. I gotta find a different producer, go a different direction.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? You're Brandy. You could do that.

[Joe Budden]

That gets tricky for me because at some point, you got. Could ask the producer to play 500 beats. At some point, you'll know when they not giving you their best. Like, you know, as an artist, when the producer is keeping a certain folder

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

away from you, what do you do as an artist?

[Joe Budden]

Then there's nothing you can do.

[Flip]

Six months later, you hear all this fire coming from them for this other artist, all these other two artists. You ain't play me that pack.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But why do you have to put. This is a question I'm really asking. Why do you have to put out an album? You're Brandy. Like, why don't you wait or find new producers?

[Big Freeze]

I've also seen situations by by the way, where people say, you held this away from me, and then they sent you. Could they'll pull up an email, be like, I sent you this beat. You just didn't hear it the way

[Joe Budden]

that you're supposed to hear.

[Flip]

You were in a different zone when that beat came on.

[Big Freeze]

That's happened a lot.

[Flip]

To answer your question, because this other artist right here is on my ass now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I want to get something out.

[Flip]

I got. I got to remind you, oh, you over there dropping heat. Let me get back out here and let you know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But then that goes back to. You made a decision, living and respectfully.

[Joe Budden]

Now that I look up when that Human album came out, because I have no idea about anything that's on that album. It says here, 2008, respectfully, the brandy run is over at that point. Again, not only is the Brandy run over. So I could see him giving her the best. Somebody giving her the best work. But two, I think that their issues happened before that, because then was the Timbaland album, came the Timberland album, and the Kanye, whatever that was, came after the run. So there was no Dog Child, and all of us were saying, hey, that's odd how you go classic, classic, that. So I don't. I don't really agree with her timeline. I don't think that the issues happened to humans. I think they came before.

[Big Freeze]

It is possible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it may have.

[Joe Budden]

And I love that. That Timbaland album, that's the shit with the TI Joint, Where I want to be. She spoke about her and Kanye. Kanye's session, making the Kanye produced tracks on that album. I was on her side of that one. Kanye was just being a dick. It's just possible that Brandi's an asshole.

[Big Freeze]

That is possible.

[Flip]

And don't want nobody to see it.

[Big Freeze]

That is possible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's hard for me to believe that Ray J's sister could be an asshole. I don't see it.

[Big Freeze]

The term diva also happens to usually carry some asshole implications. Implications.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

It's not all positive.

[Joe Budden]

You know what else is funny?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. Many instances where the artist wins this one.

[Flip]

What do you mean? Like, it is.

[Joe Budden]

It is kind of cutting your nose to spite your face. Even if. Even if there's credence to what she is saying. If I roll with everything she's saying, I don't know the artist to win. When you go against the super producer that you had a marriage with and had classics with, and now you go a different way and the producer's able to Go take his sauce and apply it to the field, and you're left to go find a new sauce. I think Amerie was extremely mature and professional after all these years, when we asked her.

[Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Cause I was trying to get to it. How did you feel hearing Crazy in Love, knowing the Rich Harris and one thing. And I know what the talk was. Whatever the answer, she gave class. Class personified. But again, that's after years of. Of coming to terms and.

[Flip]

And she. Oh, sorry. No, she. She wasn't really a diva like that. Yeah, she was cool. You get what I'm saying? Like. Like with. With Brandy being that diva mindset. No, I'm not accepting that. Or Amari. No disrespect to. Amari was never a Brandy, right. She was never looked at and didn't have the success that a Brandy had. So she might not even been in a space where she can even object to you giving my sauce out to somebody else. You hear what I'm saying? Because it ain't your sauce. Now, if Amerie had a track record of 3, 4, 5 successful projects where she was a household name. Brandi's been in tv, movies, music, all of these things. She has a little more cachet than Amarie had at the point of time.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? So, yeah, like, Amarie can't say none.

[Joe Budden]

If you're anywhere talking about our story Sauce. When y' all split, you have to show your side of the sauce. And many could argue that Brandy has not. True.

[Flip]

And that. And that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's right.

[Flip]

That's when reality set in. So it's at that point, though. So. So now Rodney Jerkins might be like, yo, I'm tired of you saying that. This is our sauce. Go make. Go for her saying, they may hoes. May hoes say, okay, you know what I'm saying? Go make another one.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Flip]

And you have done that.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta pull up all the Dark Shadows Productions. Brandy to go to Michael Jackson.

[Flip]

And I'm gonna keep. It's gonna sound crazy. It's gonna sound fucked up. I might really be saving the pack for the artist that I'm gonna go diamond with.

[Joe Budden]

And that hurts as always.

[Flip]

I might be saving the sauce for the motherfuckers I'm gonna go diamond with. But, yeah, unfortunately, that could be. I'm not saying it is. That could be possibly true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But then there's the human part of that, because I agree with that. There's a human part of it, which is if we are like siblings and you do love me. And you know that's a sore spot.

[Flip]

I got four or five sisters. Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And again, you ain't got to say it to me. I ain't saying don't do it. I'm just saying you ain't got to say it.

[Flip]

Depending on. What did you say before that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with you. Because if Luther Van Andros and Aretha Franklin had a very similar argument after Jump to it came out, and it was a studio, the next time, she was not listening to Luther, who was producing the record. And she was like, I just had. She said, I am the Queen of Soul. He said, and I am the person that gave you a first hit in 15 years. And she put on a mink and walked the fuck out. And didn't speak to Luther for, like, you know, for a very long time. It was like them words. Because divas, they know what to. And those were two divas. He knew what to say to cut her. You know what I mean? And. And when you do what you know, you're doing that, and you know it's at stake. I'm not mad at him for Beyonce. You ain't got to say that. Don't be that tight again.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just trying to find her.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Flip]

So I gotta remind you, maybe you don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can just do this.

[Flip]

You might not know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Flip]

You might have thought it was you. So let me let you know.

[Joe Budden]

And this is 06, but I want to go even before that. There ain't no dark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all did this.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. He's got a lot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

He's got a lot.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, let me see. I'm just trying to look at what records was coming out around that time. What. What era?

[Flip]

06.

[Joe Budden]

Right after full moon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Brandy's 2002.

[Big Freeze]

I mean, cater to you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You don't.

[Flip]

I was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And I'm just saying massive levels of success with all of these other new people. I might start.

[Joe Budden]

And Dog Child did one wish for Ray J. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. Deja vu. Beyonce.

[Joe Budden]

Mary. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Mary. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Flip]

Mad Mary.

[Joe Budden]

Michael. Jack. Yeah. Sorry, Brandi. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Big Freeze]

The world needs a sauce.

[Flip]

Oh, shit. He did Sierra Promise.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He did everything. God damn it. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I could see Brandy having an issue. I love Darkchild. When I was supposed to put my second album out, Def Jam sent me to LA to work with Rodney Jerkins and his whole team and crew just live out there for 05 because, you

[Flip]

know, rest in peace.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Lashawn.

[Flip]

Lashawn used to be writing a bunch of that. He went to high school and lashawn Daniels from here.

[Joe Budden]

He had the writers, he had all the producers in there, and he was in superstar mode. But he was still. You could still work with him. Like, you could still access him. And he still was passionate about breaking new acts. That's the part I'm sure drove her crazy. It's not just the sound. It's breaking new. You're building my competition with it. But he was in there playing, and

[Flip]

I'm vying for his whole team.

[Joe Budden]

Heat Heat on some locking. I have no idea what Def Jam paid him for me to go do that. And I went in there and did the Def Jam disc. Hey. Really easy to see why my career just never landed where it was. I wasn't emotionally stable enough, but. Shout out to Dark Shot. He was great. He was great when I met him. I'm sorry that him and Brandy didn't work out. But we did get Never say Never in full moon. Which are.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Two.

[Joe Budden]

Two classes. Classics. Two classics.

[Big Freeze]

Big jersey, too.

[Joe Budden]

What else we got?

[Flip]

You said you wanted to ask us to fill in the blank game. You told me to bring it up.

[Joe Budden]

And you did. I'm glad you did. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad you did. It's super immature. Oh.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't expect anything else.

[Joe Budden]

It's super immature.

[Flip]

Our type of Tom.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna give it to you. Please fill in the blank to the best of your ability. It's not going to make no sense, but just do it anyway.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

This is a jump ball. Or you want to go one by one?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I don't get jump. You can jump ball it. Cool. Tedra Moses.

[Ish]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Be looking like she blank

[Ish]

drunk.

[Joe Budden]

I repeat, Teacher Moses be looking like she blank. I'm assuming the room knows who. Teacher. I follow her on Instagram.

[Big Freeze]

I don't think I've seen a picture of her sometimes.

[Joe Budden]

Me neither. It's all videos. Teacher Moses is amazing. Elegant, classy, amazing. She's the. Yeah, but what Teacher Moses be looking like she blank.

[Ish]

I don't know. I'm looking at her singing it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Apollo. Can't think of anything.

[Big Freeze]

Got that, boy?

[Joe Budden]

Anybody?

[Flip]

Nope.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

I think they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's good.

[Joe Budden]

That's why anybody come got nothing.

[Big Freeze]

These sound like questions that are about to get us in trouble.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, well, there's no answer to it. It's just a blank.

[Flip]

Okay, I don't.

[Joe Budden]

We can't get in trouble if it's a blank.

[Big Freeze]

We can if it's a blank.

[Ish]

She got the dip it low.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just say dip it up.

[Flip]

Oh, I know. What I will say is I see the same icon under every picture and if floating. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

White shirt.

[Flip]

Yeah. Little black on it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

You know what I'm talking about. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Let's go, Tedra.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I support musicians.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

I support musicians.

[Flip]

That's peace.

[Joe Budden]

And if Teacher Moses ever wants to come over here and kick it.

[Flip]

Oh, no. For sure.

[Joe Budden]

She is absolutely welcome up here. My shoes. This is a. This is a open. She got your shoes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She want kick it and salute to her sons.

[Joe Budden]

This guy is such a dad. Shut up. He. He funny, too.

[Big Freeze]

She can have the worst.

[Joe Budden]

She can have my shoes. Your shoe size is kind of Teacher motion. Oh, all right. Looks like we can't get an answer here.

[Ish]

What's the answer?

[Joe Budden]

Salute to teacher. I don't have the answer. Salute to teacher. I know what you be looking like.

[Ish]

She lets you can get it. Shout out to teacher.

[Joe Budden]

I knew her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to her kids. Taj and rise for Coach Kach. Shut the up. Enough of that.

[Joe Budden]

Enough of that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn it.

[Joe Budden]

Man. What a Starbucks for a change.

[Ish]

She look amazing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Righteous.

[Joe Budden]

The Caucus shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shut up. They mom.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Flip]

Tedra Moses is in newark on the 9th.

[Joe Budden]

The 9th what?

[Flip]

Of April.

[Ish]

Let me see if I got her numbers floor.

[Flip]

What you say? Yes Tour. They'll be at the floor featuring Raheem Devon and Tedra Moses.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the Nick game I'm going to.

[Joe Budden]

What time is that show?

[Flip]

I would go to that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Eight, I think.

[Flip]

Yeah, probably eight.

[Joe Budden]

Same time as a Nick game. Yeah. Tough decision.

[Ish]

Pull up on her, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I told you sis from Flow with you also said she got some

[Joe Budden]

music dog we talking about.

[Ish]

He said flow a tree. Shout out to Flow Tree too, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They show.

[Ish]

Yeah. Teacher Moses, man, shout out to you, man. You look as fine as wine, girl. Will take you up and through there. Will smoke your booze songs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tidra.

[Joe Budden]

What? What? I know. I know, girl.

[Ish]

Watch out for Imani around the corner.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Teacher Moses. We fans, girl. That's all I'm saying. We. We fans. We appreciate.

[Ish]

Beautiful.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, and I'm sure the other dude Teacher Moses fans out there play the Feeling the BL game.

[Flip]

Go look, go on Instagram and then you know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Any others?

[Flip]

Mark?

[Ish]

Shout out Hassan.

[Joe Budden]

Mark is a crazy.

[Ish]

Like, I know your tricks. You playing dangerous.

[Joe Budden]

Shout to my young boy.

[Ish]

Salute. Yeah, I know Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Mark is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I like. I'm a co Contra fan.

[Ish]

How you know? You know they co Contra?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because one of Co Contras in Philly. Who?

[Big Freeze]

Oh, really?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Do y' all care that Savannah Guthrie is back on the news? Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Have they found her?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I think we're getting closer to cracking his case.

[Joe Budden]

Are we?

[Ish]

Allegedly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I've drawn some conclusions.

[Joe Budden]

Nancy Guthrie is still missing. Savannah is back on TV doing the news. It's probably been over two months now. Two months. I want to say we don't have any word about Mom Dukes. The news ain't saying what some people are thinking.

[Flip]

TMZ got another hit.

[Joe Budden]

Right? And TMZ has another hint. I think TMZ should be investigating. Morning. Welcome to Today on this Monday morning. We are so glad you started. Started your week with us. And it is good to be home.

[Ish]

Yes, it is good to have you back at home.

[Joe Budden]

Well, here we go. Ready or not, let's do the news.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Ish]

So good to have you back.

[Joe Budden]

SG Come on out here. I mean, I'm happy she's back at

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

work,

[Ish]

but I'm gonna.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Ish]

Why do you feel like TMZ should be investigated?

[Joe Budden]

TMZ being coots with kidnappers? Yeah, they might be kidnappers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. TMZ I just think is shady for many, many, many, many, many different reasons. But I'm saying they should be investigated because every clue we ever get or every note we ever get about Nancy Guthrie comes from tmz. The bitcoin came from TMZ the second that Savannah went back on the news. TMZ got enough other bitcoin something that they get to reporting, like, get the tmz, the out of here.

[Big Freeze]

It's odd.

[Joe Budden]

It's odd.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody worked for a network. They used to get those kind of clues, you know, Al Jazeera. I told y' all before, Osama bin Laden would occasionally drop us the mixtape.

[Joe Budden]

Al Jazeera. Me? Can you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm just saying, like, sometimes the criminal drops us information don't mean we in on it. It just mean they know that's how you gonna get it out.

[Flip]

Or if you're the biggest outlet that's known for. For certain types, I know where to get this type of.

[Ish]

Cause how would they get it, Joe, if they didn't get it from the

[Flip]

people, they can't upload it themselves. Well, these dumb niggas will, but I'm talking about the next level of criminal. All right, we're gonna get this anonymously to teach.

[Big Freeze]

But shouldn't they give some proper authorities the information?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So if I commit a crime and come to you as a reporter. Yeah, you have to do that. But if I say as a confidential source, I know who did what and I got my hands on this, I ain't do nothing wrong. Now, you're protecting your sword, so it's. There's a way that you can kind of navigate it so that you don't look like so that.

[Flip]

So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Well, TMZ looks like they're in coots.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think they comfortable with that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Word. Run it up right. Listen, we hope that Nancy Guthrie is all right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Word. Do you think she's all right?

[Joe Budden]

Not at all. Not in the slightest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think Savannah knows?

[Joe Budden]

I don't feel liberty to answer. Do I think she knows?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, do you think she. I'm not saying, like, is she in on it? I mean, like, do you think she, like. Like, my gut says she knows more than she's saying. I'm not saying she did anything wrong. I'm just saying I think she knows more than she's saying. That's my.

[Joe Budden]

I think many people involved in the case know more than they're saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying anybody's involved. I'm with you, but this has been too long with too prominent of a parent for us to not have anything. Like, this is a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is a Crocker shit on too much money and.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And nobody's even coming out to say. All right. By now we have listen on the docs when they spend all the money to go looking for somebody. When they don't find them, they come. Listen, we are. We don't have a body, but we are chalking it up this person is death certificate not coming back. We ain't even got that lingo yet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

By the way, the tipster who spoke to TMZ said I saw her alive with kidnappers in Mexico.

[Joe Budden]

Huh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that the tipster still. And that tipster still wants bitcoin. So they're at least keeping. I don't know if it's true or not, but they at least keeping this going. Like, she's there, she's alive. Pay me.

[Joe Budden]

They gotta stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not buying it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they gotta stop.

[Big Freeze]

Something's fishy.

[Flip]

It's very fishy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

Jonathan Majors fell out a window. See, not just a five year old in the Bronx.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, is he all right?

[Joe Budden]

He or the job? May. I don't know. You go home to make it good every night. He fine. You go on to Megan. Good. You survived the 20 story fall.

[Big Freeze]

This is probably.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta get up and make it home now.

[Ish]

He felt the wonder while filming this Action movie.

[Big Freeze]

Was it a stunt?

[Flip]

Yeah, I said was a part of the movie?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, and then was that the maga back movie?

[Ish]

Somebody said, they said the whole set walked off and they said that we don't deal with communism. Communists. Let me just get the right quote. It didn't make sense.

[Big Freeze]

What the is communism?

[Ish]

It was all over on the Internet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe you.

[Joe Budden]

I'd rather fall out a window than have that accident on Alec Baldwin set. Get up. Wipe yourself off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Jonathan Majors.

[Big Freeze]

Shout out to Jonathan Majors.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have anything else super pertinent that I have to get to here. You know the rest of this. I can ask you y' all later. Cool.

[Flip]

Sounds good to me. Oh, you wanted to 6ft window.

[Big Freeze]

You wanted to bring some. Some. Some moon information to our astronomist friends.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Artemis 2. Artemis 2 is headed back home. Awesome. They've reached further than any human has ever reached in distance. Past the moon, circling, coming back. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

New pictures of the Earth from up there and all that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a beautiful picture.

[Joe Budden]

The Earth is round,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

spherical.

[Joe Budden]

But I wasn't even bringing it up on the flat Earth front. I know that we have some people here that I know we have some people here that don't may not believe that we went to the moon. Not to rehash it. Do y' all believe Artemis 2?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Flip]

I believe. I believe we have the technology and shit today to make it to at

[Big Freeze]

least do a little trippy trip.

[Flip]

Yeah, I believe that today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How about you?

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'll second that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So on Artemis 2, they posted from Artemis 2 a picture of the Earth.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As a sphere.

[Joe Budden]

Huh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Does that put that to bed for y'?

[Joe Budden]

All?

[Flip]

No. I don't know where that picture came from.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been a great show. Know

[Flip]

all this, all this chat, all this AI Now I don't know where that picture came from.

[Ish]

I want to clean up yo real quick. I fell for one of your is. I fell for one of your moves with that Jonathan Major, man. I fell for one of the AI shits.

[Flip]

My fault.

[Ish]

He did fall out the window, but

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

had nothing to do. Why? Why your accountability? Got to throw him under the bus,

[Ish]

cuz, man, this my man. And I got to. I got to violate that. I got to. I fell for one of the ish. Move moves. Just have to. He's just a. That you want to violate. Look at him. Just stare at him. Who you think he is? Look how he look. Look how he act. Oh, yo, I don't want to say nothing him, but I fell for one of your moves, bro, and I cleaned it up. You clean your up.

[Flip]

I don't even know what this guy's talking about.

[Ish]

One of your moves where you fall for something that a conspiracy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Life is a series of moments.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? So I had to clean it up because the kick my back in. Oh, you don't pay attention to that. That's why. So you would know.

[Flip]

Got you my. Give me p. N. I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

Why do you feel the way.

[Big Freeze]

What happened to Friends?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know, right?

[Flip]

We couldn't make it one episode. Damn.

[Joe Budden]

I think I did a good job being friends this episode.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You did all right. You had you and your best behavior

[Joe Budden]

going to be this way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is the best part of the song. I do that every time it comes on.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if I'd be able to be a friend Every pod, though, like, this was cool, but it was kind of that bland. Like, I want to shoot. I ain't going to lie. But I'll let y' all know that that episode was so fire. I should stay home more. I agree with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with that. That's how we keep the friendship going.

[Ish]

Facts.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could deal with some Friday afternoon news.

[Flip]

Yeah, take. Take some off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you should. You should consider that you need more time to yourself.

[Joe Budden]

You some Joe. Time the up. Listen, man, it's a good show. Good show, good vibes. I had a real good weekend. Cut this off, man. Let me cut this off for, man. Actually, yo, I sent. That's probably why I came in here on some friendship, too. My weekend was so good with family and all. All that. I started. I just felt I sent mushy texts to everybody. Sent my older brother mushy text. Like, yo, it meant a lot to me, you coming out, y'. All. I love you, appreciate you. Yeah. Like, send a mochi. Taste corny, but just fly. You do have to do it every once in a while.

[Flip]

It's dope. It's not corny.

[Joe Budden]

You do again. Happy birthday to my aunt Catherine.

[Flip]

Happy birthday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Birthday.

[Joe Budden]

Happy nine. 90th. That was awesome. Awesome. Time out there. Shout out to the whole family. Buttons, Ramseys, people that was there, people that wasn't there. I was like, damn. I don't think I've, like, been to, like, a 90th birthday party.

[Big Freeze]

I don't think I have either, actually.

[Joe Budden]

And my mom was like, no, my mom. You turned 90 and she had a 90th birthday, remember? I can't say I get in trouble.

[Flip]

Please don't.

[Joe Budden]

I did tell Emma when your mother turned 90. I can't. You look at. I'm gonna get in trouble.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, don't do it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna get in trouble. I can't. But it was a different 90. Like we was helping him walk. Like it was

[Flip]

up. Shut up in this pie.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace to my grandma.

[Ish]

Why would you say that?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

You don't have to cross the line all the time. You see the line, then just stop at the red.

[Big Freeze]

He said that line right every time.

[Joe Budden]

No, not at all. Not at all. You know your mother gonna get me recipes. To my grandma. And again. Happy birthday to Aunt Catherine. Good vibes. Good times, man. Y' all got any plans for the week? Any plans for the week? Plans for the week? Plans for the week?

[Flip]

Ah, nah, nah, not at all.

[Big Freeze]

Light. Light this week.

[Joe Budden]

I got to figure out how to go to the Nick game and the Te Teacher Moses concert now. Hey, listen, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time I bid you a do. Farewell Adiosa ri A la vista ar so long, goodbye. A simple head knob will suffice. Remember, life is a series. Series of moments. And moments pass. Hey, so let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Actually, this is a perfect example of what Brandi was Talking about with Dr. I was heated at just blaze.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's focused.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's fire.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fire.

[Joe Budden]

I was tight at just blaze over this. I got over it.

[Big Freeze]

How soon did this come out after?

[Joe Budden]

After a month, two months, three months, four months, whatever. It was right after fire, this went off. And if fire couldn't take off on radio because there's a holes in the house. There's a holes in this house. And this was like a cleaner version. Oh, I was. Could have killed somebody. It wasn't meant for me to make.

[Big Freeze]

Wasn't the odds were psyched against.

[Joe Budden]

Listen. Lastly, the baddest, the insecure, the stagnant women want to travel when the close minded women want you to teach them things. I beat that with a bat. Hey, you can't say that now. Especially with a bad year. I coach little league. All right, I'm out of here, y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Till next time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Same time, same place.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all ho it down. We are going. Ain't nobody doing nothing interesting this week. Bunch of washed.

[Big Freeze]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Jesus, man, I had too much fun this weekend.

[Big Freeze]

I got to chill out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. I was in bed all Monday off that weekend.

[Big Freeze]

I went to bed at 10:00 clock last night. Yeah, I hate that. 6:00 clock in the morning, all refreshed. Who wants to live like that?

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right, all right. Because I'm getting mad all over. Shout out to Rod. Dig a whole Jersey, whole new nose. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't touch. Be without jbp. Jbp?

[Flip]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Now look what you did. Now look what you did. Now you fucked up. Don't touch my computer again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, where would you be without jbp?

[Joe Budden]

Ha.