Episode 819 | "Where’s Wallo When You Need Him?"

Summary

Summary of The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 819: "Where’s Wallo When You Need Him?"

Release Date: April 23, 2025

In Episode 819 of The Joe Budden Podcast titled "Where’s Wallo When You Need Him?", host Joe Budden and his co-hosts Ish, Mal, Parks, and guest Imani delve into a myriad of topics spanning internet controversies, legal disputes, social media dynamics, and personal anecdotes. The episode blends serious discussions with lighthearted banter, offering listeners both insights and entertainment.

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1. Flat Earth Debate and Interactions with 50 Cent (Mark Lamont Hill)

[00:00 - 04:27]

The episode kicks off with the hosts discussing their interactions with Mark Lamont Hill, also known as "Evil Mark," who is associated with 50 Cent. Ish recounts a confrontation with flat earth proponents who challenged him to a debate. Although Ish declined to discuss flat earth theories, he emphasized his respect for Neil deGrasse Tyson's approach to science communication. The conversation highlights the tension between maintaining composure in the face of online hostility and the instinctual desire to defend one's viewpoints.

Ish: "Every time the little white lady come over to Fat Joe and 50 Cent with some big time celebrity shit, there's black people around. I see what's going on."

2. Legal Controversies and Allegations Discussion

[09:08 - 38:48]

A significant portion of the episode centers on legal issues involving allegations against individuals within the podcasting community. Ish shares his experience with ACT, who publicly criticized interactions with the hosts. Ish explains the steps he took to de-escalate tensions by consulting with Joe Budden and influential figures like Charlamagne and Van Lathan. The hosts discuss the complexities of navigating legal disputes, especially when high-stakes negotiations and public perceptions are at play.

Ish: "I called Joe, and Joe was like, 'Leave that shit alone, man. Let that shit go.'"

Joe expresses frustration over how legal battles can be manipulated for financial gains, particularly criticizing the practice of inflating lawsuit amounts to leverage settlements.

Joe Budden: "We want to be one of those things... The gift is a curse. You’re worth... It’s not going to be worth the reward."

3. Reflections on Social Media and Public Image

[38:48 - 58:36]

The hosts engage in a reflective dialogue about the impact of social media on personal and public lives. They emphasize the importance of protecting one's family and personal matters from online scrutiny. The conversation underscores the challenges celebrities and public figures face in maintaining privacy amidst pervasive digital attention.

Ish: "Cause I know you've got beef with Ack... it's that kind of stuff that gets amplified."

4. Cultural and Religious Discussions

[77:59 - 134:57]

The podcast transitions into heartfelt discussions about the passing of Pope Francis, with Imani reflecting on his progressive leadership and the subsequent impact on global believers. The hosts pay tribute to Reverend Ron and share personal experiences related to their religious communities. The conversation also touches on the evolution of religious institutions, particularly the rise of megachurches, and critiques the commercialization of faith within these spaces.

Imani: "He is a symbol and a model of what religious leadership can look like for a lot of people."

5. NFL Draft Talk and Sports Commentary

[138:23 - 141:05]

Joe Budden briefly shifts focus to sports, providing his take on the NFL draft, specifically the New York Giants' pick strategies. While Parks and Ish offer their predictions on draft choices, Joe expresses skepticism over unconventional selections, highlighting the unpredictability and pressure associated with high-stakes sports decisions.

Joe Budden: "Nobody anywhere in the world has said Genty to the Giants at 3. So, y'all, I just want to know."

6. Music, Pop Culture, and Industry Insights

[141:05 - 158:36]

The discussion veers into music, with references to "Black Mirror" episodes and the impact of viral content. Mal and Parks comment on the evolution of music distribution and the significance of branding for artists like Kendrick Lamar. The hosts critique the commercialization and superficial aspects of the music industry, advocating for authenticity and meaningful contributions over manufactured hits.

Imani: "Everything ain't that deep, yo."

7. Casual Conversations, Jokes, and Personal Updates

[158:36 - End]

The latter part of the episode is characterized by lighthearted banter, personal anecdotes, and humorous exchanges among the hosts. They share updates about their personal lives, upcoming travels, and interactions with friends, blending humor with genuine camaraderie. Joe Budden also incorporates an advertisement segment for Prize Picks, subtly integrating promotional content into the conversation.

Joe Budden: "That's why I'm glad Mark is here. Now."

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Notable Quotes

• Joe Budden at [38:48]: "We wish that ACT has a voice that people wanna hear from... And that's it."

• Imani at [77:59]: "I just want to send love and condolences to all the religious believers around the world for whom this is a devastating moment."

• Ish at [153:06]: "I think blessed black people have always done right."

• Joe Budden at [158:10]: "Something is always something. Everything is something."

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Conclusions and Takeaways

Episode 819 serves as a microcosm of the myriad challenges faced by public figures in the digital age, from managing online disputes and legal issues to navigating personal tragedies and maintaining authentic relationships. The hosts advocate for restraint, authenticity, and the protection of personal boundaries amidst relentless public scrutiny. Additionally, the episode underscores the importance of community support and the complexities of balancing humor with serious discourse.

Listeners are left with a nuanced understanding of the interplay between fame, legal entanglements, and personal integrity, wrapped in the signature blend of candid conversation and humor that The Joe Budden Podcast is known for.

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This summary aims to encapsulate the key discussions and themes of Episode 819, providing a coherent overview for those who haven't listened to the full episode.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. I know I think about it every week.

[Ish]

So do a lot of comments.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, are we recording?

[Ish]

We are so fans. We listen to your comments.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that payroll could look beautiful now. Hey, it don't take a bunch of to get it done. I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm talking. I feel like there's a Mark and there's Evil Mark. Oh, for sure.

[Ish]

Absolutely.

[Parks]

I've seen the evil marks. I like it. I like that side. I feel like this whole show has been introducing evil Mark to the world, honestly.

[Joe Budden]

And he's loving that shit.

[Mal]

That niggas gonna flat earth you on.

[Ish]

That motherfucking flat earth. Niggas is still mad all of a.

[Mal]

Yo, that's why you better than me. That nigga's like, yo, you sound like a fucking idiot. I was like. He kept saying more shit. I'm like, when Mark gonna check, yo, you gonna have a fucking problem. What you was gonna do, beat the nigga up through the keyboard, Say that's.

[Joe Budden]

What you was gonna do.

[Ish]

You went to meet that N.

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Ish]

Dude jumped on my YouTube. Did you see that shit? This dude jumped on my YouTube. Yeah, he's. I wanted to beat this shit out of you.

[Joe Budden]

What happened? For the people that didn't see it, what happened?

[Ish]

So Ish and Ice got these. These flat earthers hyped up now, right? So everybody.

[Mal]

I got them hyped up niggas drawing.

[Joe Budden]

Me diagrams in my DMs.

[Ish]

Yo, this is what would happen with the x axis and the Y axis if. If it was. Nigga, shut up, right? So then one of them challenged me to a debate. I said, I'll debate you on anything except flat earth. Cause I don't do that. I said, you can do get Neil degrasse. Get who get? I'm not a scientist, right? So I'm not doing that.

[Joe Budden]

Who I've reached out to. To come up here.

[Ish]

Oh, that'd be great.

[Parks]

That great. So can it just be a one on two with him?

[Joe Budden]

Vers the homie the flat earth.

[Ish]

Oh, that'd be dope.

[Joe Budden]

I love Neil DeGrasse.

[Parks]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

He got so much adore Neil DeGrasse Tyson. The way that he teaches.

[Ish]

Brilliant.

[Joe Budden]

Like. Yeah.

[Parks]

He just makes it so simple to understand extraordinarily. Complexion.

[Ish]

He's not a condescending dick bag like me. That's what I was about to say.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I was about to say?

[Mal]

I was about to say, yo, for him to be. You know, at one point, they called him the smartest man on the planet.

[Joe Budden]

I did know that.

[Mal]

Yeah. So for him to have that in his planet.

[Ish]

He said the smartest man on the planet.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

X planet, Right?

[Mal]

But, yo, he still ain't condescending like, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad I know when to mind my business and when not to. Cause whatever the shape the earth is, it don't matter. It's none of my business. Y'all niggas, it's a real thing.

[Mal]

Dyke man gonna be dyke man. It don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

It don't fucking.

[Ish]

That's how I feel.

[Mal]

I agree. No, I agree.

[Ish]

But this nigga, and he's also. This dude was a Joe Button podcast. Stan, too. So he kept saying, you're not gonna keep talking to Ish and Ice like that. You're not gonna keep talking to Isha Ice like that. Like, really? That's my nigga.

[Joe Budden]

That's my nigga.

[Ish]

That's my nigga.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talk to him more like that.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Mal]

That's my man.

[Ish]

He was tweaking for y'all, and then he starts talking like you. He was like, I watched the show. And I was like, who is this stupid ass nigga?

[Mal]

Yeah, he was wilding.

[Ish]

That's how you sound when you get hyped, right? So he started.

[Joe Budden]

So he.

[Ish]

Oh, I didn' in case you wondered.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Mal]

And so he just kept saying, like, little jabs. And then Mark wasn't checking the jab, right?

[Ish]

Cause I'm like.

[Mal]

So he just started throwing hooks, right? He started throwing overcuts, uppercuts and shit. Yeah, he started. Mark was like, hold up, hold up, hold up. Yo, you ain't gonna keep talking to me like that. We gonna have a motherfucking problem. I'm like, yo, shit. Okay, Mark.

[Ish]

I only got two. I'm a very calm person, but I only got two switches. And once I hit the other switch and I go somewhere else, I don't wanna ever do that. Especially on cameras.

[Joe Budden]

Is in how soon or not you get to the other switch.

[Ish]

You know what?

[Mal]

That's.

[Ish]

That's.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, It's.

[Ish]

It's just.

[Joe Budden]

So if the guy that's in his room on Zoom. Zooming. You in his pajamas, eating Tostitos. Can say anything to get you kind of there. I would argue you might not be the calmest.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

There's nothing they could say on the Internet to me to make me want to meet up and beat these people up.

[Ish]

That's fair. That's fair. I didn't realize you were so calm, actually, until I watched the Knicks games last night.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Mal]

You saw calm?

[Ish]

Calm.

[Joe Budden]

He was calm.

[Mal]

He was calm.

[Ish]

Joe was at perfect peace. Wait, I didn't see calm.

[Parks]

This is the pressure.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, you got nails left?

[Ish]

I'm start.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I see you already. So I'mma start because I want to start y'all. Yeah.

[Ish]

Let's get the proceedings proceeding. Let's go. Let's go.

[Mal]

Think this got no fingernails left.

[Parks]

It was a close game. It was a close game.

[Ish]

He don't know. Too close.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Shout out to my brothers. Flip. I shout. Our sister Mel, always here with us in spirit.

[Imani]

50 fans, we heard you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm thinking about y'all, cuz. I know y'all will want to get some of these jokes off with these guys. These guys sound nice and excited. We have a real good time today, though, man. Wake it up out there. Wake it up out there.

[Parks]

Big Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Big Jersey, fellas.

[Ish]

Ego America got a thing for the sk to sit they love me Black.

[Mal]

Tuckers, black belly love the pele pelle I take spit over rainbow I'm a fan Got that silver duct tape on.

[Ish]

My tray a handle the women in.

[Mal]

My life bring confusion so like Nino will move Jack I holler cancel that look at me this is the life I chose Niggas surround me so cold man my heart grows I build an empire on a loading fox don't know I'm the weatherman I take that gold belief and make that snow Sit back, watch it turn the door Watch it.

[Ish]

Go out the door oh, after oh.

[Mal]

You know, homie, I'm just dreaming. Get out to wherever you might be listening from.

[Joe Budden]

Always. For the ladies. Feeling good, feeling great. Shout out to all the subgroups out there, all the first and last time listeners. Shout out to all the hate groups.

[Ish]

Out there, all the support groups.

[Joe Budden]

We need the love. We need the love. We pulling the guards out. We pulling the cars out.

[Ish]

Hey, that's all you do.

[Parks]

Little Ferrari out there.

[Joe Budden]

I know, but I'm talk. I'm talking to all the. That hit me when I pulled the Ferrari out, like, yo, I just copped the McLaren. Let's go, let's Go right here. We on that this summer. They talking about.

[Ish]

Shout out to the.

[Joe Budden]

Entrepreneurs out there, all the parents, listen, all the children. New York.

[Ish]

I ain't no Bama.

[Mal]

I'm from envelop there.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm the country grammar to me.

[Ish]

I get it from. I go.

[Joe Budden]

By special request.

[Mal]

We got.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I want y'all to know I was. I was playing some R and B. I had some lucky day. Queued up. You had a lucky day? I.

[Ish]

Many men wish death upon me. Damn, man.

[Joe Budden]

Wanted me dead on 34th street, man. Want to be out of here. It's crazy.

[Ish]

It's crazy. But I don't cry no more.

[Imani]

Don't look to the sky no more.

[Joe Budden]

Have mercy on me. All right, we gotta change the name of that to Many co hosts. Yo, Many, Many Co host.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

Let me get these drops out the way right quick so we can have some fun, man. I don't want to delay the proceedings any longer than I already have. Mark stayed up all night with his pen and pad out. This part. This part. I didn't really. I didn't really bank on ish being hilarious, but. Excuse me, sir. I'm sorry. Sometimes there's variables that you didn't plan for that come up, and you got to work around it, man. What episode is this?

[Parks]

819.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 819 of the JOE Button podcast. I am still alive. Ass. Thank God. Take that. I mean, made it to work, man.

[Parks]

No bruises.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all would just love it. Well, we don't know. I got shades on.

[Parks]

That is true.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 819. You said? Yeah. Of the Joe Button podcast. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, happy to be here. Host here with a few really amazing people to my right.

[Parks]

Just a few this time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Literally, just too many men, right?

[Joe Budden]

Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Dark Lamont Hill. Evil Mark.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Evil Market. You can tell? I can tell. Big issues here. King Wah Wah himself. Elmira's finest Parks is in the building. Poe is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Nobody else is here. That's it.

[Parks]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. Shout out to. Savon and Tan are here with us by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys out there are here.

[Ish]

Mm. How you feeling, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

I feel good.

[Parks]

I almost wish you could call Fat Joe to give his version of what happened. I don't know if I want to hear Skinny Joe's version of the story.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know about Skinny Joe.

[Mal]

Assessment.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. This is just hilarious already. I had such a great night last night. Last night was great.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Got out of there.

[Parks]

I did watch, like, towards the end of the game, and he was no longer there. And that's why I was like, I wonder how things really went, like, behind the scenes.

[Mal]

You left in the middle of a nail biter.

[Joe Budden]

That was a close game, fan.

[Parks]

It was.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Don't say nail biter lighter to me.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Ever again. All right, where y'all want to start? Seem like it's a lot to unpack. What do you do? Y'all want me to tell a story? Joke around?

[Ish]

We'll add our. We'll add our.

[Mal]

I hope Wallow come in here so he can.

[Joe Budden]

Well, y'all ain't hit me to see if I was all right. Y'all ain't hit me so we can ride.

[Mal]

I gave up on that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Mal]

You call this like, yo, you gonna be like, yo, what the you think, yo, you'll be calling me with this. Yeah, you got it, fam.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Parks]

Were you good?

[Joe Budden]

So I had tickets to game two of the Pistons versus the Knicks. The Knicks won game one.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not in a beautiful fashion.

[Mal]

Game one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was close, but we won. My baby was coming. It's gonna be date night. It's gonna be a beautiful time in New York City. So decisions to make, right? Sure, Phantom.

[Ish]

Like, how we doing?

[Joe Budden]

It's tonight.

[Parks]

This is deflection or something. I don't know what it is. It's one of them.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm telling my. I'm telling my story. What do you want me to start at?

[Ish]

No, no, you got.

[Parks]

Let's lay it out.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mal]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's funny. Anyway, so I planned on being early, right? Because it's the Knicks. It's playoffs. Building was going to be packed. I imagine this to be nuts. So I had this mapped out for us to leave 30 minutes early. I'm going with my lady. So we end up up running 45 minutes late, but we still end up walking in at a good time. So we walk in, and we get there, and we walk in. It's a good seat. Right next to the Knicks bench. I'm excited.

[Mal]

The game started already.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mal]

Okay. Great seats.

[Ish]

He had great seats.

[Mal]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Really. I don't want to talk to Mark. I don't want to hear from Mark at all. Cause you a little too condescending. And while I'm telling my story, I might not catch it. Great seats, great seats. But they were really good seats. Yeah, they were. So we go in. The game didn't start yet. We. We made it on time in time to get our sushi, the crab meat, sushi, hot dogs. We went, no, no, I didn't do hot dogs.

[Parks]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't do hot dogs. Over the weekend, I ate anything that wasn't tied down to the floor. So I went to bed feeling really shitty and ashamed of myself, Looking forward to every number two I had to take. So I wasn't about to go in the Garden and do my garden glizzy thing. Okay? We were keeping it cute tonight. Sushi, crab, water, and juice, and we going to the seat. Let's do it. And it's packed in there. Everybody is in there, boy. All of the white stars. I don't know who the fuck they are, was in there. It'd be a lot of money in the Garden.

[Mal]

What?

[Ish]

A lot of money.

[Parks]

Duh.

[Joe Budden]

But it's different.

[Parks]

It's playoff time.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of life. Duh.

[Ish]

Playoff time is crazy, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

James Dolan is in the front of the. Behind one of the baskets, in like a polo with a blazer, a lollipop, like a fisherman's hat, legs crossed. Family is here. It's just like, oh, you playing. Just different looking.

[Mal]

Like a J. Crew ad.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly. Then Spike is over there, and it's just some of the Jewish money is in here.

[Mal]

Ben Stiller, John McEnroe.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, exactly. Gary Vee is behind me, so I'm already in phony mode is what I'm saying. Gary V.

[Parks]

Long time no see.

[Joe Budden]

No, but I do love Gary V. Yeah, but not that I'm telling you, I do love him, but it's the, you know, extra sauce. We do got to get su lunch, buddy. Come on.

[Ish]

So we doing all of that.

[Joe Budden]

Here we go. We sit down. Cool. Sit there. And ain't nobody sitting in front of me.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So then Fat Joe comes in with his daughter, and they sit down, shout.

[Parks]

Out to Fat Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to that Joe.

[Ish]

Shout out to Joe.

[Joe Budden]

So me and my girl start talking about the Bottega outfit that Fat Joe got on. But in my head, I say, now, the last few times I've seen Fat Joe in the Garden, he has been directly next to 57. And I said, wouldn't that be funny if those are the. It's only two seats left. They right in front of us. Those are the only two empty ones. And sure enough, as God would have it, 50 comes in. And my man, my man, my man. I'M breaking freeze right now. Yeah. E shout out to E. So I dab Eve and 50 just sit down, but he don't see me. But his man sees me. But he don't see me in Fat Joe knows I'm here, but he don't see me. All right, the game started. We watching it. We watching the game now.

[Parks]

Were you quiet? Not cheer? No, not cheer too loud.

[Mal]

Your stomach was talking about.

[Ish]

His heart was pounding.

[Joe Budden]

Be sound like Sasquatch.

[Ish]

Exactly. Marv Albert turning around and like, how is that?

[Mal]

Did you change your doves in the building?

[Joe Budden]

Now you have a decision to make in this moment, right? Because I, contrary to whatever the Internet is saying, I don't think there's a problem. So when he sit down, I want to grab him by his shoulder and say something to him.

[Parks]

Didn't do that, though. Though.

[Joe Budden]

Only cuz my girl is here.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

That is the only reason that you just look too, right? Doing that. Who are you watching?

[Ish]

Clothes.

[Mal]

What if that's your normal thing?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

If people think y'all got beefing and you like, hey, buddy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, you don't look. Every camera in the world is on in here.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Every celebrity is out. And you right there, your girl is here. We buy Thibodeau.

[Parks]

You're not underneath the basket or something where you could be out the way a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

When he see me, he'll see me. We'll kick it, we'll chop it, right? But to do the extend shoulder. Hey, I'm right behind you. It's the pussiest.

[Mal]

I toxic masculinity.

[Joe Budden]

That is the pussy. I don't care what you say. That's that to me. What y'all think?

[Mal]

Oh, I don't think that. If that's your norm. If that's your norm. And that's something I normally do. You and 50 Cent ain't beefing.

[Joe Budden]

Of course we not be.

[Mal]

Of course. So if that's your normal thing, like, if. If it would have been, none of this stuff happened and he walked in and he sat down and he didn't.

[Joe Budden]

See, you'd have like, yo, no, I wouldn't have done it.

[Parks]

Yeah, you would.

[Joe Budden]

No, I wouldn't. I don't do that.

[Parks]

That's all right.

[Joe Budden]

When I'm outside, I'm not the initiated, be seen guy. I'm really low. But that's not important. That's a real life thing. It don't matter right now. So I'm not doing that because my girl is here and we're not Pussy.

[Ish]

I respect that. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And then what happens? Oh, so now this is why it's funny. Because there's famous levels in the garden.

[Parks]

For sure. You're level two.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not level two. I'm a different level two.

[Ish]

He's level like five. Oh, nah.

[Mal]

He might be like three.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that. Don't try.

[Mal]

You three.

[Ish]

Three. Three is fair. You level three.

[Joe Budden]

I say it to say my garden experience is never being the famous guy in the garden.

[Parks]

They'll put you on the little celebrity pictures.

[Joe Budden]

No. Y'all hear me talk. I come in here and talk shit. Saying I'm more famous than half of them little white kid actors they be putting up there. But it's not about that. And I'm low. So fat Joe and 50 Cent being in front of me means that this is about to be a different thing. And it's some black people in this garden that know me. So they know what this situation is.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

So they look at. Yeah, so every time the little white lady come over to fat Joe and 50 Cent with some big time celebrity shit, there's black people around. I see what's going on.

[Ish]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

So I say to my girl, yo, if they come over here with that celebrity camera, I'm repping my set because I have to. I have to just. Cause it's here. She said, don't you dare do that. This gonna be all over the Internet. I said, I have to do it. And sure enough, they came over and I look and I said. And we laughed and laughed and laughed. And then. And five minutes after that. I think he seen me after that. Well, actually, in my story, he didn't see me. It's always her that's making it hot. You seen her, you turn around. And he said, oh, Jo. And then we spoke. The nature of the conversation will remain between us.

[Parks]

Apologize. Kept it pushing.

[Mal]

Please, sir.

[Parks]

No, not tonight.

[Joe Budden]

We had a good time.

[Ish]

Just to the start of the fourth.

[Joe Budden]

Just.

[Ish]

Just let me stay to the start of the fourth.

[Joe Budden]

Get this off. Have fun. Not. Not in front of my girlfriend, not in front of my kids. Gus. Not in front of my.

[Parks]

Texted Fat Joe on the low.

[Joe Budden]

Did you make us cool?

[Mal]

Oh, got called. Lloyd Banks, everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y'all are so dumb. But. But it's fine. So now. But wait now. Cause before any of this even happens, nigga, when I tell you my phone is on absolute fire in here. Yeah, My phone is buzzing in a way that it's never buzzed before with people that I didn't even know. Watched basketball. Everybody Is is up. My aunts is up, the children is up. Your five year old nephews is up watching. Your brothers is watching. Everybody is watching this game. I'm like, oh, they definitely got us on.

[Ish]

Yeah, you was trending on Twitter.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. You.

[Ish]

You turn it on like all night. Like, that's how I saw.

[Mal]

They can start sending me the photo. I didn't. I didn't even understand because the photos that I got, like, they weren't good photos. I couldn't really see 50. 50, right. So I'm like, what the. I know he got tickets.

[Parks]

You could see Joe, but you couldn't see 50.

[Mal]

Yeah. So I'm like, yo, I know the. I know he got tickets. Like, why are you sending me.

[Ish]

This dude's kissing somebody's ass.

[Mal]

Huh?

[Ish]

Nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I don't get it.

[Ish]

No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, don't worry about it.

[Mal]

So then I'm like, yo, I don't understand. And then somebody hit me. Like, yo, you see that bullshit? Your man see, see, see karma? I'm like, what are you talking about? They like, nigga, you ain't see the picture I sent you? I'm like, yeah, I don't get it. Then they said, nigga, go. Go look at the first row. And I look. I said, oh, okay. Oh, you did look a little Pervis, though. You was Purvis Ellison.

[Joe Budden]

Let y'all tell it. Let y'all in the Internet tell it.

[Ish]

He looked like a person who was trying to look calm but wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

And I ain't gonna step on it.

[Ish]

He was smiling hard. He looked like he was trying to look cool.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not even rebutting on y'all saying, cuz, even that look, pussy. Have fun. Have fun. Don't get your off.

[Mal]

Yo, remember cartoons? They could be eating his nails. Typewriter come back. It's cool, dog.

[Ish]

Oh, did you see 50's Instagram post later?

[Joe Budden]

I saw it at the game.

[Ish]

Oh, okay. He posted at the.

[Joe Budden]

I saw at the game.

[Ish]

Yeah, I thought so.

[Mal]

That's why wait to leave the.

[Joe Budden]

That was after. After our talk. After we talked.

[Ish]

Talk. Okay. Yeah, the way, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

But it was a really good talk. It was a great talk.

[Parks]

You felt safe after the talk.

[Joe Budden]

I felt safe before the talk.

[Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

Cuz the post was, I. I seen Joe.

[Mal]

He said, I don't need therapy.

[Ish]

I don't need therapy no more. But it sounded to my ears was like, he ain't say. Basically like he a say, I need therapy in person. You know what I mean?

[Parks]

So that's how I took it.

[Ish]

Yeah. So people took that. I think people gonna read that post and think that he was the shrink. Yeah. Joe's this big.

[Joe Budden]

Jokes aside, because 50 is who he is before he got here. Right. So his reputation precedes him. So we know why we treat these matters with a certain level of sensitivity. However, he's also a genius behind this Internet stuff for sure. So I always look at the Internet shit as him doing Internet shit. Right. And being a master of that. And that's it. And that's it.

[Mal]

He manages to stay relevant regardless of whatever the hell's going on.

[Joe Budden]

And I've had this talk with him in the past, right? Like, I think some people don't know that him and I have other ties. Him and I have gone through things in the past. This Internet.

[Parks]

20 years.

[Joe Budden]

This Internet is target. Niggas is up target the hookah spot. Like I always bump into them. And the most. The most random of and unexpected of places. But anytime I've ever seen them, it's been a great talk. It's been a great talk. So I forgot why I've just brought all that up to serious as. I didn't mean to, but just to.

[Parks]

Let us know you're safe.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all didn't come pull up to help. They would listen. Yes.

[Parks]

We'd have tickets.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I was. I was safe. We had a good time. Oh, and back to this. Leaving at the end of the game. Because I see this. This is a thing.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And Marcus knew, so he don't know. I'm going to leave before the game is over.

[Ish]

In a playoff game, it's a nail biter.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't a nail biter.

[Mal]

It was a nail biter.

[Joe Budden]

It was not a nail biter. By the time we left, we had missed the shot that would bring us within four. We was down like five or six with two minutes left. It looked.

[Ish]

You don't think being down five in a playoff game is a winnable game?

[Mal]

Two minutes left and y'all was going body shot for body shot.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what was happening in that fourth.

[Mal]

I watched the whole game, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

I didn't see the game, so I did.

[Mal]

That was a close fourth quarter. Close fourth quarter.

[Joe Budden]

I would have left under normal circumstances. I'm leaving with five minutes left on the clock. I stayed.

[Mal]

I do that.

[Joe Budden]

I stayed longer.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You stay there too long and that block to get up to the Lincoln Tunnel.

[Ish]

You'll be there.

[Joe Budden]

You'll be there for an hour. I'm leaving. I'M always leaving.

[Parks]

See, I'm not here to play.

[Joe Budden]

I'm never staying to the end of a game. Summer jam, concert, movies, just strip club movies, movies, movies. I'm leaving early.

[Mal]

Like if the end of the movie is kinda over for the most part.

[Joe Budden]

If I don't care about this movie.

[Mal]

Anymore, yeah, I'll stand up at the edge of my girl and just stand right there.

[Parks]

I don't care that much about traffic.

[Mal]

Yeah, I do.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I do.

[Ish]

I try to beat the traffic. But if it's a playoff game, I, I, I ain't missing.

[Mal]

It was a close game, bro. That game could have went either way.

[Joe Budden]

Not to me.

[Ish]

Two threes. If Carney Townsend played well, bro, they was down.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody played well. That was the worst game that the Knicks played all year.

[Mal]

I think both games went like that. I think, I think what happened in those two games, and this is the A block, so we ain't gonna talk sports, but I think they were some of the worst officiated games I've seen them. Was out there playing gorilla ball. Each other up. Both games they was each other up. And the Knicks were the beneficiary of a bunch of them calls.

[Parks]

Calls.

[Mal]

I think they just couldn't.

[Joe Budden]

They got even last night.

[Mal]

They used to be a bully.

[Joe Budden]

They got even last night because Detroit got a whole bunch of calls last night and we didn't get. I don't know what Tom Thibodeau was doing, but I, I ain't gonna say nothing about it. In case I go to game five and, and see these people. That boy Duran on the Pistons is a big.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, yo.

[Joe Budden]

And that dived into the crowd. He dived into the crowd while I'm sitting right there. Oh, yeah. No, I had to be.

[Ish]

No joke.

[Joe Budden]

I had to pick Rick Brunson up off the floor.

[Ish]

Rick Brunson ain't a small dude.

[Joe Budden]

Reach out to Rick Brunson. That's my man. And a little white. That nose was bleeding. That was a mess over there.

[Ish]

Joe, game five, if the Knicks lose. Are you sport superstitious? Like, if they lose twice with you in attendance, do you stop going to the games?

[Joe Budden]

The Knicks. The Knicks lose when I'm there. That's the running joke with me and my dad when I go. Don't know. Wins happen.

[Ish]

You gonna keep going despite that?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Cause this ain't our year anyway. This ain't our year to win it.

[Ish]

No.

[Mal]

To win it all.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. This ain't our year.

[Ish]

I thought you had a chance to get to the east to Eastern finals.

[Joe Budden]

I still think we got a chance.

[Mal]

Not me.

[Joe Budden]

I still think we got a chance.

[Ish]

It depends. Some health, Some health issues. I mean, it's possible.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to say what I. But I don't want to say what I want to say because Tatum is my man. But shit, if them bones get to breaking. That's what I'm saying on the Celtics.

[Ish]

That's the health issues I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's my man. We don't wish that on Jayson Tatum. Because on the low, I root for the Celtics too. Cause I love that. I love their coach. He is a menace to society.

[Ish]

Yo, did you see when Tatum fell? Yes.

[Joe Budden]

And he told the medical dude, the trainer, no, don't go over there.

[Ish]

Get up. Get your light skinned ass up.

[Joe Budden]

He's a monster.

[Ish]

And I respect that because I'm tired of seeing players hit the floor and stay down for five minutes like they got shot. Shots.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Just to get up and play again. It's like.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's true.

[Ish]

Knock it off. And Joe Mazzudo's like, knock it off.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, anyways, so yeah, I left. I entered my car safely, got home safely. Well, not even, because, yeah, she got. Ah, let's keep the night going. Y. Let's keep this party going. Let's go to. I'm like, wait, why? Why? It's lit already. Let me just go do what I gotta do in the crib. So now we run over there and then from there, now she all the way gone. Yeah. You know, Janet's like, oh, drive through McDonald's.

[Parks]

Wait, it sounds like my wife took.

[Joe Budden]

A drive through McDonald's. Yeah. Let me get some nuggets and some. All this drunk shit. Yeah. Yeah. All right, cool. So then we do that, and by the time we get in the house, she is now singing the Sunset park song. Oh, it's time to get in line.

[Ish]

It's time to represent. That was the shit.

[Joe Budden]

Sunset Park. What time is this? Girl, if you don't get your drunk.

[Parks]

Ass in the man, it's not time for onyx.

[Mal]

Fred dro.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The Sunset park song.

[Joe Budden]

That's when you know somebody is just gone.

[Parks]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we had a great night last night. I ain't gonna lie.

[Parks]

That sounds fun.

[Joe Budden]

It was a really good date night. And only me. Yeah, only me.

[Mal]

That is true.

[Joe Budden]

Only me.

[Mal]

Hilarious.

[Parks]

I'm glad you're safe though.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, me too.

[Mal]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I got for you. Me too. That is.

[Ish]

I'm safe too. Yeah, I'M safe, too.

[Joe Budden]

You lucky.

[Ish]

I'm lucky. Look like JBP handled all family business.

[Parks]

Wait, what beef you had?

[Ish]

I woke up this morning to find out that my beef with Ack is over academics.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Round of applause.

[Parks]

I'm glad you pieced it up.

[Mal]

Tough.

[Joe Budden]

You lucky. Me too.

[Mal]

You lucky.

[Joe Budden]

Big AK Ack is a friend of the show. Ack is more than a friend of the show, but he's a friend of the show. Yeah.

[Ish]

And, you know, we've had issues, I guess, for the last couple years. I hadn't really. I ain't think about it like a beef, you know? Cause I wasn't actively beefing, but what.

[Parks]

The fuck were y'all beefing about?

[Ish]

So a couple. About maybe 20, 22, he had made a comment that I disagreed with that I found problematic. I'll just say I don't wanna put it out there. Cause I don't wanna go back down that road, but. And I tweeted about it, and he didn't like my tweet. So I think first he tweeted, did Marco Mart Hill is a ass. Something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

Which I took as him being upset.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Ish]

And then he deleted that. And then he. But he went. Then he went live that night and on you. Oh, it was crazy. He said he was gonna.

[Joe Budden]

That's where he does his work at.

[Ish]

He gonna smack me when. No, he's gonna spit on his hand and smack me.

[Joe Budden]

That's what the live button do in the mix. Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Home back at Dakota Sack. Yeah. I'm getting my off right?

[Ish]

Couple drinks. Get it? Get it? Look. And people was like, tagging me and you know, like, da, da, da, da, da, da. And then it just. It got. I didn't watch all of it. Cause I couldn't. You know what I mean? But it went long. The video went long enough that I was like, okay, he going in on this. He just really bothered him. And I was thinking, like, we get criticized for a living, right? And I didn't say nothing personal, but I guess he took it personally. And I didn't respond because I was like. Two reasons I respond. One, like, I don't like the back and forth. Especially when you start talking about violence. Like, I'm not getting on the Internet. Like, you were scared. Terrified.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You're lucky.

[Mal]

And catch you in the guard.

[Parks]

It would have went way different.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Now you didn't show no mercy for Mark.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's probably true.

[Joe Budden]

But unlike you, I squashed it. I stepped up. If I know somebody, I Squash it.

[Parks]

But why didn't you squash this?

[Ish]

This you squash.

[Joe Budden]

I did. Oh, that's what I'm saying. And he. It was no reciprocity.

[Parks]

Oh, so you brought pizza.

[Mal]

You squash beefs now?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

Oh, well grown.

[Joe Budden]

What do you mean?

[Ish]

I will. I will say Joe did, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

What happened?

[Ish]

Was going crazy. He's gonna smack me on this, right? So I was like. I was calm in public, but in private, I was. I was on 10.

[Parks]

You were doing push ups.

[Ish]

So I called Joe.

[Joe Budden]

This is like two years doing curls with books.

[Ish]

Come on, Du Bois. I was. I called. I said it straight before. I just didn't mention it was act. I called him to tell me what to do. This is like two years ago. And I called him Charlamagne and Van Lathen, right?

[Parks]

That's hilarious.

[Ish]

But.

[Mal]

And I did it.

[Parks]

Yo, guys, I need help.

[Ish]

I'm calling for help, super friends. It was like. It was like I was trying to. I was trying to. Cause he said he wanted to meet up with me to fight, right? So I. The fuck.

[Parks]

So I'm calling Charlamagne.

[Ish]

Yo, pull up with me. I was like, what the fuck is up with this nigga?

[Mal]

Like, get him off me, y'all. Get him off me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Mal]

Get him off me.

[Joe Budden]

Big act. Everybody in the room.

[Ish]

Big act, big act.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

I love this story. So. And I'm calling each one of them that I thought was going to hype me up to tell me, like, you know, chill out, jump out the window, which is what I was looking for an excuse to do. This nigga is laughing. Cause at this point, I only talked to Joe, like, on the phone, like, maybe twice.

[Mal]

You did not call Joe Budden, Charlamagne, and Van Laken and think that they was gonna put a battery in your back.

[Ish]

I thought him and Charlamagne was. I thought Van was on paper, though.

[Joe Budden]

Never two of those names sound like they might understand.

[Ish]

Van text. Van's the one who texted me the video. So I hit Vanavac as a courtesy. Like, yo, what the is. That's his man. Like, what's up with your man?

[Parks]

I feel like Van might do a little low, too. I think there's an evil Van in there. So I don't.

[Ish]

There is an evil Van, but Van is reasonable with other people, just like. Just like me. I wouldn't tell none of y'all to do that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I think me and Van squashed. Well, nah, let me not think too far. So.

[Ish]

So I called Joe, and Joe was like, he's like, man, leave that shit alone, man. Like, let that shit go. You Mark Lamont Hill. Like, you can't be out here fighting niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Ish]

Right. And I felt like a dickhead for even mentioning it, right? Cause I'm like. And then.

[Mal]

Well, you should have.

[Ish]

Then Charlamagne told me some story about. He started talking about pigs and mud and some country I didn't understand. But at the end of the story, it seemed like he didn't want me to. He wanted me to leave it alone too. And then, and then Van, I knew what Van was going to do, so I left it alone. I ain't say nothing else. And there's been other times where him and Vlad have said shit like, you know, you think in my career, da, da, da, da, da, da. Right, right, okay, whatever. So I ignore all of it. Didn't care. And I was like, if we ever see each other, we'll talk in person. I'm confident I'm not gonna get smacked.

[Joe Budden]

So I'm not letting act do that.

[Ish]

You hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ish]

I don't need nobody to let nobody not smack me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then I'll unsend the text. So if you don't need that.

[Mal]

Put the smoke back in there. Put the smoke back in.

[Joe Budden]

Let me unsend the text I sent on.

[Ish]

So.

[Joe Budden]

Now you can do it to him.

[Mal]

Now he's any cool, put powder on your hand first.

[Ish]

Lebron's shit. He gonna smack that shit out of you.

[Parks]

So more importantly, how did you end the beef?

[Ish]

So basically what happened was the other day, I guess he made another video about why he didn't come. He mentioned that he hasn't come to jvp and now that I'm there, he don't feel comfortable. He didn't say comfortable. Basically he wasn't coming up here. And part of his as I interpreted it was because I'm here, right? Not like. Cause you know, he got beef. So he won't be on the set with somebody he got beef with, I presume is the reason. And then we went to messy ass spaces with the JB TV folk. Me and Joe was on there on Sunday. And they told you, you gotta put.

[Parks]

Something in that contract.

[Ish]

They raised the issue.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, Mark knows how to space.

[Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Never mind.

[Ish]

And so they asked me the question. And I get. I gave the most honest answer I could, which is, I don't have beef wag. Like, I don't have. It's not a personal issue. I said something that he didn't like. It wasn't personal. But I went through the whole bit and I said, I'm not out here trying to have beef with anybody, but at 46 years old, but especially another black man, like, that's corny to me. Like, what the fuck we gonna beef about? And we definitely got nothing to fight about, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

He said that ACT has a voice that people wanna hear from, yada, yada, yada.

[Ish]

Yeah, I said all that and it was sincere.

[Mal]

And I called the big homie and the big homie. Made my problem go away. Got it?

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

This morning when I woke up, I.

[Joe Budden]

Didn'T say none of that. In 50 tier, I didn't do none of that.

[Mal]

You my brother. Yo, black on black queens.

[Joe Budden]

Get the money. You went in there with all that bullshit.

[Ish]

So at the end of the day this morning, right before we started recording this, I heard ACT respond and he basically was like, there's no issue. Like, he said he thought that I was coming at him personally. But more importantly, he felt like I was looking down on his platform and people like him about what they do. And so he kind of. He's saying he jumped out the window because he felt like, you know, like that he worked hard for this platform. He felt like I was dismissing all of his work and saying he was worth. Like his platform wasn't worth anything. And that wasn't what I was. That was never what I was doing. You know, I've been in media for a long time and I respect all platforms. For me, it's about what they say, not about the platform. So we ain't got no issue. So that's it. So again, JBP has handled all family business.

[Parks]

Yo, round of applause today.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Nah, we in the round of applause.

[Ish]

Y'all got any beefs y'all need to settle?

[Joe Budden]

You're getting a round of applause. No.

[Parks]

Beast.

[Mal]

Bitch.

[Parks]

I'm a bitch?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Ish]

I'm a bitch ass nigga. Look, I'm at the age where I'm comfortable. People think I'm bitches. I'm okay with that. You know what I'm saying? I know I can fight, I can defend myself. If something come up, it come up. But other than that, that's how I feel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yo, people are crazy, right? I was reading some comments from the game last night. Like, what did they think was gonna happen at Madison square guard game? 2.

[Mal]

Playoffs.

[Joe Budden]

Playoffs. Like, niggas, do you know how up niggas are?

[Mal]

I was about to say, with two multimillionaire black men, like, around on the floor.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like Dog. Yeah.

[Ish]

That's crazy. The only time I've ever seen that happen was actually with Shannon Sharpe when he was at the LA Lakers game when he was about to fight half. He was about to fight Ja's dad.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

And.

[Joe Budden]

And they wasn't about to do nothing either. But even the posturing of looking like you was about to is a lot.

[Ish]

Yeah. And it looks like a lot. Speaking of Shannon. Shannon and a lot. He just. I know.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Those that don't know. Shannon Sharp has been sued civilly for $50 million.

[Joe Budden]

I googled her images too. Not just the normal Google.

[Ish]

The woman who you got.

[Joe Budden]

Damn right.

[Ish]

The woman filed the case as a Jane Doe and he un.

[Joe Budden]

Jane Doder.

[Ish]

Right. I'm just making that clear.

[Joe Budden]

How do you feel about. I don't put you in a tough spot?

[Ish]

It's tough because I believe that I know why people have Jane Does. I know that victims get harassed, they get verbally assaulted, they get railroaded, they get doxxed. And a lot of things happen. I also believe in people having a fair process. And I need to be able to confront my accuser and I need to be able to address my accuser. So for me it's attention. And I don't have an answer for exactly where I land on. It's kind of case by case.

[Joe Budden]

Is it circumstantial?

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

So in this case. In this case, how do you feel about it?

[Ish]

I need to know her name. Especially given. Especially given the fact that Tony Busby is behind this. For me, that is with his reputation, a deal maker. Yeah. When you hire an attorney who has a history of doing a certain thing that is unethical and probably illegal, how.

[Parks]

Does he still get this shit off?

[Ish]

Because most celebrities track records. Record. Yeah. It's his history and the impact. Most people don't want mud on them.

[Parks]

So he's been successful getting this shit off.

[Ish]

He's successful all the time.

[Mal]

Yo. He's probably unbeknownst to us and he.

[Joe Budden]

Might just be the poster child right this second, but millions of lawyers across the globe are getting this off.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

And that shouldn't take away from. Right. The real.

[Mal]

And that's the problem. That's one of the problems is that it does. Is that it does.

[Ish]

It shouldn't.

[Mal]

So now what happens when the next celebrity dude that might unfortunately really do some shit to a woman? It softens the blow because now it's like, eh. Did this really happen? Because the last two people said. You get what I'm saying? And that's unfortunate. To the people that really get violated or assaulted, whatever.

[Ish]

Yeah, she may have been. Again, I don't want to assume.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Ish]

I don't want to assume. But again, I get your point.

[Joe Budden]

I know seeing 2025 in the. In the docket was a fucking blow to me. Normally when these come up, it's like.

[Parks]

Oh, some shit that happened 10 years ago.

[Ish]

This.

[Joe Budden]

In. This year. She was like, yo, in 2025.

[Ish]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

He was wild. I was like, God damn.

[Ish]

And it's so many parts to this story. First, it's the allegation, right? Obviously, people have a civil suit. Some people are saying, if it happened in 2025, why didn't you go to the cops? There are legitimate reasons why people don't go to police with sexual assault cases. So I don't want to assume that somebody who only sues criminally or only sue civilly is lying. But that's one piece of the case that we have to talk about. The other piece of it is Shannon comes out immediately. Immediately with his response.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Two pages.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

Before that.

[Mal]

Timing.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

Timing is important because Shannon Sharpe just got announced that he was Potentially looking at $100 million deal, a huge deal.

[Joe Budden]

And I would like. That's where my focus is, right?

[Mal]

So the timing of that, that's one. And then you sue for 50 million. So him inking that deal or him settling out, that's the motivator. Like, yo, dog, we'll go away. So you could go get your 100, give me eight, give me 10. You get what I'm saying? Like, we gonna sue for 50, but we'll really take 10. We'll really take seven. It's a timing.

[Ish]

It's even messier than that sometimes. It sometimes is what you said, but it's also, look, give me five and we're good. But if I go public, I'm gonna ask for 50, and you might not get the hundred.

[Mal]

That's the thing.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

Now we gonna leverage your hundred million dollar. It's extortion.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I would like to focus on that for a second. At the risk of which piece. I know we talking about a sensitive subject, but I want to focus on the timing of it with his announcement of $100 million and so forth and so on, because I've just seen that happening too much. And I have to ask, where are these announcements coming from and why do we need them?

[Mal]

I've never heard him announce it. He Might have. I didn't see anything where he publicly announced it. You know, the rumor mill. It's like Woj. You know what I'm saying? Or Shands that'll announce some potential shit coming up. Up. Because it makes for good media. It's clickbaity.

[Joe Budden]

All right, that was halfway a rhetorical question. I didn't really want to answer.

[Mal]

Oh, no. I'm just saying that's where we are in society.

[Joe Budden]

Assuming that Shannon's deal is up, which is what they're saying, you would assume that he's in a negotiation stage, which is normally when these drops start to happen, of reports someone close to the situation knows and who knows what Shannon wants and what he is looking for. And why would they announce it?

[Parks]

I feel like usually that's their own team using it as some type of.

[Joe Budden]

Leverage point to let somebody somewhere know that this is the ballpark.

[Ish]

Yeah, Right.

[Joe Budden]

We want to be.

[Parks]

Don't come over here talking about $20.

[Mal]

Million, or we'll overinflate what we really want. Let's say he wants 50.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't think he wants 100.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? The publicist will throw it out there that he's negotiating for 100.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

Right.

[Mal]

That might be his team.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm not going to say what he is or isn't worth, because I don't think that's right. Get as much as you could get.

[Ish]

All of it.

[Joe Budden]

But this is a. We're familiar with it as a negotiation tactic on one side, like y'all have said. So on the flip side of that, not to be this person, but one, if I want to devalue that. There's a history in this country of putting out stories where we could on you. I'm not saying that that's what the volume is doing or that that's. That they're responsible for this, but I think that people should stop announcing the money that they're looking for, because this is what comes with it. It's the gift and the curse.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So you're trying. You're trying to negotiate to get a high, a higher coin, but somebody's going to come along and make sure that now you just done. And that coin that you think you was getting, it's, like, pointless. It's just. No, it's no reason for it. And it puts you in more danger, dog. It puts you at more risk to announce it.

[Mal]

I used to go to, like, real estate seminars and shit.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mal]

And they said that it's people out here that Literally read the obituaries like lawsuits is a hustle. It's a hustle for some niggas. So you'll read the obituary and let's say it says, real estate tycoon passes away. He leaves his family a net fortune of. Of $200 million. There's a lawyer that will backdate a suit. Go file that shit for 4 million, right? Just say 4 million. Something like, dog, now your shit gonna go on probate. So now we gonna say, yo, we suing you for 4 million for whatever this shit gonna hold up. You getting 300, $400 million. What the kids typically do. I'd be like, yo, tell them we'll give them $2 million to go away so that we could get on with our estate shit.

[Ish]

Cause all they got, not free money.

[Mal]

But because now we could literally be in probate for three, four, five years and tie up your bread. You want the 300 million or you wanna give me 2.5? We'll settle for 2.5. And niggas, that's a scam.

[Ish]

And that's Tony Busby's approach. He goes to celebrities behind the scenes and says, look, I got some allegations against you.

[Mal]

Pay me now.

[Ish]

Pay me now or it's gonna go public. Knowing that just the public smut on your name, it's gonna fuck a business. Fuck a business. You may lose more fighting a case, even if you're innocent, than otherwise. Again, I'm not saying this woman is wasn't harmed. I don't know her. I don't know the case. I don't know them well enough to say. But again, picking Tony Busby, just picking that kind of lawyer to me automatically marks you if you are a victim of sexual assault. And I mean this sincerely, please don't pick Tony Busby, cuz it just doesn't do you.

[Parks]

Certainly not right now.

[Ish]

Not right now and probably never. It doesn't do you any favors. Shannon did something interesting, though, to me. He posted on Instagram his immediate response.

[Parks]

Response hit all this freaky ass text, right?

[Ish]

He posted the text messages from the woman.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at that neither. I ain't mad at all.

[Ish]

I don't like, listen.

[Mal]

It's something that I wouldn't do. We wouldn't normally do that. But yo, when you fighting for your life, my nigga, it's a different ball game.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all niggas need to stop. I'm not done doubling down on the point y'all announce your money. For what? I'm not off of that yet. I ain't. I'm with you.

[Parks]

I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

Because the white dudes don't do it. And when they do it, it's a lie. Joe Rogan has fucked up the black community. I'm gonna just say stop. Yo, I'm not stopping you.

[Mal]

I'm not stopping. And usually, you know, I don't rock on the racial shit. The white niggas don't have to do it. Cause they getting equity and they getting farther up the ladder. They don't have to prove they worth. We gotta prove our worth publicly just to get table sc. Stephen A. Smith was white. He wouldn't have to show. I got $100 million. He would have got $100 million eight years ago. So now the blacks are showing other blacks. Yo, come on. I'm showing you what we making so that y'all can now go to the table and barter better.

[Joe Budden]

It's wrong, bro.

[Mal]

We shouldn't have to do it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying that it shouldn't be done.

[Mal]

If Joe button show other podcasters potentially what he was making, that would inspire other podcasters to be like, if Joe could do do it. I know it's a hopes and a glimpse that I could potentially get there.

[Joe Budden]

Joe did that. That's why you see so many living room sets that pretend to be Parks's old basement.

[Mal]

Which is a great thing.

[Joe Budden]

Joe Budden did it already.

[Mal]

No. Which is a great thing.

[Joe Budden]

They seen it. They say, oh, this crack a bum.

[Parks]

Yeah, all he needed was a living room.

[Mal]

I give you props every interview, but.

[Joe Budden]

What I'm saying to you is I did that and nobody still know what I mean.

[Mal]

Not listening. I'm talking about now at the negotiating table. It's another level.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't do it.

[Mal]

No, listen to my point. If you had done that, if that knowledge, if you shared your knowledge. Listen, I'm talking about financially. If a nigga had an inkling then, now a nigga could say, yo, maybe I'm not Joe, but I might look at myself as a tenth of Joe or a third of Joe or a half of Joe. So now when I go to these tables, I could know more of my worth and I could negotiate better. I'm telling you based off something Joe got you.

[Joe Budden]

I could tell him all. Then let's have that conversation problem privately. The way that I've had it with so many podcasters already. I've had this conversation with most of the black podcasters out there privately.

[Ish]

The only problem is the young up and comers can't Get a hold of you. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

Podcasters can't get hold of Joe. Joe is going to go talk to about five of these.

[Joe Budden]

If five, dog. Six years of this podcast has been Joe Budden making it in real time and Joe Budden having to make the right, right decision at a crossroads with these companies and yada, yada, yada, it's been the company saying, hey, we'll pay you this, but please keep it quiet because we don't want to pay the other companies that like, yes, you do not have. The only time I see creators do this is when they're in a deep negotiation for a whole lot of money. And in that instance, the gift is a curse. Like, that's what I was trying to say earlier, but I was fumbling on my words, words. In that instance, the gift is a curse. You're worth. I'm not talking about Shannon because I don't want to say what his worth is. I'm not in the business, just anybody. They're gonna give you 60. You want a buck 20. What you're putting at risk by announcing to a public that you want 120 is not going to be worth the. It's not going to be worth the reward when you're already worth the 50 to 60. You're already one of the best in the business. Stephen A. Is a different case. He's the best in the business. He's the best in the business and has been there for 15 years and has watched so many other people come in the door. Pat McAfee just sent a shot his way or had somebody on the wrestling dude to send a shot his way. Yeah, he's in a different. He's in a different boat. He, Stephen A. Is in a different boat. The rest of us, dog, I think.

[Parks]

Aside from the money thing, people got to learn to freaky better to do what Freaky better. You got a freaky a little bit safer, more discreetly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying Joe Rogan has black podcasters throwing around the words 100 million. Like we talking about sardines.

[Mal]

True. But I think. I think that the way that the Stephen A. Smith shit was handled, if you saw results come from that, then your media team is going to try, even if he's not Stephen A. Smith, to emulate some of that. Joe, you saying that he might really want 60 and put it out to the world that I want a hundred. You understand what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so now you're, You're. You're the Same way that you think you're signaling to the companies, you're signaling to bottom feeders.

[Mal]

I. I'm not disagreeing. I'm agreeing with you. That's a gift.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm telling you this as somebody that has gone through something similar that I can't talk about, that I would love to talk about. But actually, you know what? I was sued over my dog biting somebody back in the day. I've told this story here, too, about sin. Hey, there a nail. Is there nail tech in the area? And having a stranger just come to your house and now you got a cane Corso. And now that person. But my lawyer at that time. Time explained to me, yo, dog, $7,000 to people on a quick shot, a quick claim. You can't sleep on what it does to people. And if you're saying that about 7 and 10 and 15 grand, then imagine what you're saying about 20, 40, 50, 100, 200, 300 grand to people that know that they never gonna see that type of money.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's well worth it to just go throw a lie on a. I'm super paranoid when it come to this.

[Mal]

That's why you should.

[Joe Budden]

I try not. I try not to hang around girls I ain't supposed to hang around. I don't talk to people I ain't supposed to talk to. I ain't just. It got to be some level of trust for us to even have any communication because the stakes is too high.

[Mal]

That makes sense today.

[Joe Budden]

So now. So now. Poor Shannon, right? Poor, poor Shannon. Some people think that the volume might have put this out to. To step on his. But even if they didn't, this steps on his negotiations for sure. It does.

[Mal]

It does.

[Joe Budden]

Whether true or not true, I still feel for Drewski, who just put something out that said your dog. When these claims came out about me on the day, not only did I have 91 cent. I was in Atlanta. They claim I was in Los Angeles. It just couldn't be true. But it don't mean nothing. The damage is done.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's the point.

[Joe Budden]

As soon as you say it, the damage is done. Respectable companies have to take a step back just because of. Of what?

[Parks]

Optics?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, dog. If anybody. If somebody pop up tomorrow and say, ish blanked me. Yeah, you my man. I don't think you did that. I was around. He was getting used. I would be really shocking the ball if you were doing it. I was there for some of your glory days.

[Mal]

Don't even put that.

[Joe Budden]

But I would have to think I.

[Mal]

Would have to put that universe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not. So knock on something. But I would have to have uncomfortable talk with you. Hey, gotta step back, buddy. Go build your houses and get the away from there. So I want to read these. I'm gonna read.

[Parks]

We gotta get the text.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna read these out. And right now at the time of this, they're saying that there's audio out.

[Parks]

Yeah, we gotta share the apology address situation already.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, we do. I'll play that and then I'll get into some of the texts that were sent from Shannon. Defending himself. Let's see. Here we go. To my family, friends, supporters and colleagues. I want to speak to you directly and from the heart. This is a shakedown. I'm going to be open, transparent and defend myself because this isn't right. This is all being orchestrated by Tony Buzby who is targeted. Jay Z. Tony Busby targets black men and I believe he's going to release.

[Parks]

A 30 second clip of a sex.

[Joe Budden]

Tape that tries to make me look guilty and play into every stereotype you could possibly imagine. That video should actually be 10 minutes or so. Hey, Tony, instead of releasing your edit.

[Mal]

Put the whole video out.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have it or I would myself. You know what happened and you're trying to manipulate the media. The encounter in question took place during the day at her invitation. And now that appears to be a deliberate setup coordinated by Garbage Gabby, also known as Carly on Onlyfans. Gabby and Tony Buzby want $50 million. What they're getting is sued for defamation.

[Mal]

And trying to take me down.

[Joe Budden]

My career is all about real talk and honesty.

[Mal]

I know my family and fans know.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly what this is about. And I'm going to be out there telling you whatever I need to say, just like I always do. I love all you guys.

[Imani]

Thanks.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What do y'all think of his statement?

[Mal]

I'm in support.

[Parks]

I think, I think it's bold. I think I'm in support and I like it though.

[Mal]

I think that, I think the shit that Jay Z did is going to start being the norm if for somebody that's innocent. I don't know. Again, I don't want to say innocent. A guilty bag. But I think that's going to start being the norm for people that got enough money to fight it. I think they're going to step in front of it and not cower.

[Joe Budden]

I'm letting the successful black men out there know that they are coming through you, through your Dick.

[Parks]

Yeah, sure. Yeah, you got freaky.

[Joe Budden]

Better because this nigga's freaky.

[Parks]

Yeah, we've seen it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Michelle told us. Michelle told us that he was freaky. And now you want. You got the only fans chick. He just put her only fans out. Yo. Known as Carly on. What is going on?

[Ish]

Oh, my God. This is crazy. These texts, man.

[Joe Budden]

I'll read this. I'll read these texts. Oh, my Lord. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. All right. No, not.

[Parks]

He wrote two pages of Microsoft Word documents about the text.

[Joe Budden]

Okay? The text go as she says, only if you put that baby gravy in me, then I can do whatever I want to me.

[Parks]

See, right there. I'm stopping the sexting. Don't say baby gravy.

[Ish]

Baby gravy's wild.

[Joe Budden]

That's my point.

[Ish]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

These is too freaky.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So keep in mind she's very young. At the time they met, she was 19 and he's in his 50s.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know how old she is at the time these texts are being sent. It says 2023. 2024. 2024. Like this dates.

[Ish]

Yeah, so that's 19.

[Joe Budden]

Either way. You being too freaky now, baby.

[Ish]

Yeah. Baby gravy tells me you.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Parks]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, don't talk to no girl that's texting baby gravy to you.

[Parks]

That sounds like the 40 year old.

[Joe Budden]

She continues Alabama somewhere. I want to put my tongue in your asshole, then marry you.

[Parks]

I mean, salute.

[Joe Budden]

But dog, you niggas that's trying to get one hundred and two hundred million dollars from somebody get up and day.

[Parks]

There's gotta be a better way.

[Joe Budden]

On January 12, 2024. That's my daddy. Fuck. I want you to put this. I want you to put a big black baby in me.

[Parks]

See, this sounds like 40 old virgin flirting.

[Ish]

No.

[Mal]

When she started talking that baby shit. Cause a couple of them text messages started talking about y'all want you to come in me. I want you to put a baby in me. All that other shit. That sounds like money grab to me.

[Parks]

Yes, it does.

[Mal]

It sounds like money grab and I'm gone.

[Joe Budden]

Like I.

[Mal]

That would have.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But Shannon is old and from Alabama. Where's Shannon From Georgia.

[Ish]

He from the country of Georgia.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And they might have called him ugly growing up. Like, he probably just getting into his heyday.

[Parks]

I feel like Shannon, he's probably been.

[Ish]

Active for a little while of fame.

[Joe Budden]

NFL player.

[Mal]

He been in heyday in Baltimore, bro.

[Joe Budden]

All of that is great. That's y'all. That's Y'all, yalls point of view. I think I've heard him say before.

[Parks]

I'm sure it's kicked up a notch with the. The.

[Ish]

He's more famous than he's ever been. He's more famous.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all telling me about when he had a helmet on. Anyway, she continues, you better crave it, cuz you're gonna be stuck with it for life after you put a big black baby.

[Parks]

Red flag.

[Ish]

These are huge. Red flag.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. She continues, oh, no. That was the of it. No, there's more, but I don't see it here. There's one where she was saying she's not black, right? No, no, she's not black.

[Ish]

Yeah, cuz, black people don't even talk like that.

[Joe Budden]

No, there's one way.

[Ish]

How many black girls told you put a big black baby in me?

[Joe Budden]

They don't say that. Well, he don't know.

[Mal]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the black girl girls, they don't talk like that. Why Shannon don't just give him a black girl. There's one way.

[Ish]

She said she met her at the gym too.

[Joe Budden]

There's see, gym head, meathead ass niggas.

[Ish]

These are all like red flags.

[Joe Budden]

Steroid head niggas just getting got.

[Mal]

She's probably in there with them Amazon tights on and that horny ass old nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Look at you.

[Parks]

I sent you the other page.

[Mal]

That's cool.

[Parks]

That was more just set up stuff. But that is where she mentions 25,000 per cheek.

[Mal]

Now that's what you tricking niggas is paying now.

[Joe Budden]

Who's you tricking?

[Parks]

I know you missed this big juicy ass. 25,000 for each cheek. I want you to put a dog collar around my neck and choke me with.

[Joe Budden]

I stopped talking to the the second it go over 3500 for the whole ass, right, Per?

[Ish]

Not even per for the experience.

[Joe Budden]

I. This should be. I should be getting all I can eat for 3,500.

[Mal]

Yo, you fronting?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not fronting.

[Mal]

The right Buffet could get 6,000 out of you.

[Joe Budden]

The right buffet could get more than that. Oh, there you go. You don't stop at 35, nigga. $25,000 a cheek. I haven't entered that. Wait, first of all, this is not me.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

I'm planning marriage.

[Mal]

This is mo button.

[Joe Budden]

I'm planning to get married.

[Mal]

Shout them all.

[Joe Budden]

But even if me and my girl is on some freaky shit. Cause that's what I do with me and my girl, it wouldn't be 25,000 thousand. That's 50 grand. For an experience.

[Parks]

That's a lot.

[Joe Budden]

That's somebody looking for a money grab.

[Parks]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ish]

All this stuff says money and if you're paying it.

[Joe Budden]

See. But I don't be mad at the girls that find an old rich and get them. I'm not. I respect the game.

[Mal]

Yeah, me too.

[Joe Budden]

If you that damn. Anyway, it gets straight.

[Mal]

Not mad.

[Joe Budden]

25. She didn't look like. You know what? Go ahead, Mark. That's why I'm glad Mark is here. Now.

[Ish]

I want to establish this though. Cause again, I happen I don't trust anybody who has Tony Busby as their attorney. Because of the history, these texts, these things. The limited exchange I had with Shannon yesterday about this, all of it suggests to me that I should be skeptical. That said, the thing I don't like about the way we're talking about it, not on the show, but in the public, is this assumption that because she's freaky, because she wants to get choked.

[Joe Budden]

With a dog collar, that it couldn't happen.

[Ish]

That she couldn't happen. You can like rough sex and get sexually assaulted.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Ish]

You can be freaky and get sexually assaulted. You can be a sex worker and get sexually assaulted. You could have wanted all that shit to happen yesterday and then today you decide you don't want that no more. You can decide right now. I don't want to happen in two minutes from now. You know what I mean? So I just want to establish that regardless of what happens on this case, this does not mean that we should not listen to the voices of people who make these allegations and who engage in things that we may see as off the straight path. This still doesn't make you eligible for any of the awful shit that she's accusing him of. Of doing. That's all I want to say.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

True people that live a life that we not living. This is my bag. Outside of some of these words, Outside of some of these words, outside of the gravy.

[Ish]

Except that baby gravy.

[Joe Budden]

Who's to say after 9pm I won't go see what her only fans are looking like? I a few bitches over there too. No, but that was a great point. I'm glad that you said that. Of course Shannon releasing these texts don't say that it didn't happen.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

So we don't know. We reserve the right. Right to make judgment later after more details come out and prayers to everyone involved.

[Parks]

But answer anybody with something to lose. Be careful, yo. Be careful. It is not worth that nut.

[Mal]

Rub it out.

[Ish]

Save your baby.

[Parks]

Put some gravy baby in some paper towels somewhere.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Live a happy life and listen for the women out there. Right? And the great words are, Sister Mel, you never know what a predator looks like. So that's true too. You just want to be careful.

[Parks]

That's true too.

[Joe Budden]

What? That's bad, you say?

[Ish]

Nope. I had a wildly inappropriate joke.

[Joe Budden]

Evil Mark.

[Ish]

Evil Mark was like.

[Joe Budden]

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[Mal]

I don't even know. I don't even know if he human. Yo, he might got. He got some other stuff in him.

[Joe Budden]

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[Parks]

Put the code in. Put the code in.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Come on. Jbp. Jbp. Anyway, where y'all want to go?

[Ish]

Easy. Can he come sit down on the couch, man, come on.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he normally is scared of this main show action, but I don't know.

[Ish]

We was talking last night, we came on Night School, and one of the people on Night School asked if he had any thoughts on your Madison Square Garden appearance.

[Parks]

Oh.

[Ish]

And he said he was gonna save it for today.

[Joe Budden]

And here's today. Look at that. What do you know?

[Mal]

Would you look at that?

[Joe Budden]

Look at you. And you get to sit next to me. I smell your cologne.

[Mal]

You gotta give him the two pack.

[Imani]

I'm glad you're good, man. Those are one of the days I was glad.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome Imani. Let's welcome Imani.

[Ish]

I'm glad that they can't send me.

[Imani]

No invite that day. Oh, yeah, Sade.

[Ish]

All right, dope. That's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let me and Sade get to it.

[Imani]

She hold it down. I was worried for you, man.

[Joe Budden]

A little bit. Little worried. You didn't text me?

[Imani]

Nah, I ain't want him to see me text.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that.

[Ish]

He said he got some word.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause I was back there reading all Fat Joe taste every time that put his phone up. Damn.

[Imani]

I wonder what Fat Joe would have been. 50 would have slid you in Madison.

[Joe Budden]

Square Garden if 50 would have hit. Take it out. Come on, take it.

[Parks]

Come on. I got you.

[Joe Budden]

I got you.

[Ish]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. But I had already had the.

[Imani]

You had it played out, right?

[Ish]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this whole 50. All this 50 shit did was show me just how many people are indeed waiting with bated breath.

[Ish]

You get snuffed.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. They seen that already. Twice. Even they've seen that before. And somehow it's not enough. They want to see. They. Because my mom outfit, they want to see me take a beat down. Punks jump up to get beat. Brand new being. They want to see that somewhere with bright lights and cameras. They wanted. They want to get the footage. They want a bad video of me. Boy, I wonder why.

[Parks]

What if I said you talk a lot of shit? That's why I do. Wait, it's Part of the job, man.

[Joe Budden]

I do talk a lot of shit, but the shit I be wanting to say is worse.

[Imani]

You too old to do what we told you to do before.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Imani]

Which was just slide somebody.

[Mal]

It don't matter.

[Imani]

It don't matter. I mean, I think that might help a little bit.

[Parks]

It won't.

[Joe Budden]

A little bit.

[Mal]

It don't take away that might make it worse.

[Imani]

Person that people think can't fight or be. Not with the bullshit. If you give him one little glimpse that you could really slide somebody, it might change the narrative.

[Mal]

It'll change the narrative that he can not fight. But the other still want to see him get his ass for sure. It ain't going to stop that.

[Parks]

They might raise it a little bit.

[Mal]

Yo, do everybody want to see Floyd get his ass whipped?

[Parks]

Exactly. We watch.

[Mal]

They know he could fight.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Is the narrative that you can't fight? I never heard that narrative.

[Joe Budden]

No. It's only Amani and my other friends that spread that.

[Ish]

I never.

[Joe Budden]

It's only my real friends.

[Imani]

That narrative isn't that he can't fight. It might be. Maybe might be or something.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Parks]

That. That clears it up. It makes it better.

[Joe Budden]

Way better, man. Thanks for joining the main thanks for joining the main show, man.

[Imani]

No, it's good to see you up here now, but.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I would say that's good.

[Imani]

That's good.

[Joe Budden]

I left the game a little early. Who won? You did.

[Mal]

You did.

[Imani]

Rap one.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, the fan, the culture one. Oh, my God. Yo, my landslide.

[Ish]

He tried to hit us with the. The game was.

[Joe Budden]

It was.

[Ish]

Was a blowout, so I left.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say it was a blowout.

[Ish]

You said it was decided.

[Mal]

It wasn't close.

[Joe Budden]

I said it was decided. To me, it wasn't.

[Imani]

Didn't they lose, like, by, like, six points?

[Mal]

No. Yo, dog, they was 13 away from tying the game up.

[Ish]

He left with eight minutes left in the fourth game. Five points.

[Imani]

Car was out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It's going to get more. More minutes every time I tell this story.

[Imani]

The car was outside, right?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mal]

So was done.

[Ish]

It was halftime. They didn't even eat the buffet.

[Mal]

I know.

[Imani]

So was Double Park. You had reservations?

[Parks]

Yeah, the reservations. That's what they did.

[Ish]

Reservations always do. Yeah, reservations stay at the end of the game.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta get out of here.

[Mal]

They had a special strawberry mint.

[Imani]

That watermelon minute.

[Joe Budden]

Get you every time.

[Parks]

That's good.

[Joe Budden]

I wanted to leave earlier than that, but I knew y'all niggas were stupid. I said to myself, all right, I think they putting me on tv. Tv. So they just gonna flash to this pan to this empty seat, and then it's gonna be jokes. With seven minutes left in a tight.

[Mal]

Game in the playoffs, that's not respecting.

[Imani]

Your celebrity, too, man. I didn't like to see that. When they doing the celebrity roll and they. They did the 50. I just had to see you in the back.

[Parks]

Like, they probably threw him on the kiss cam and.

[Ish]

He said he was in the kiss cam. He was the celebrity.

[Parks]

That's funny. My bad, My bad.

[Ish]

It's the rugby, yo.

[Mal]

That's funny. He was waiting on the kiss cam.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Ish]

And.

[Imani]

And they play pump it up. They play pump it up and all that.

[Mal]

They did play pump.

[Joe Budden]

Know. I mean, well, one, we've long go established the Garden don't me like that.

[Mal]

Yo. You got to hit that.

[Joe Budden]

The Garden don't with me like that.

[Imani]

What you mean?

[Mal]

Feed on the wood, make it back over.

[Imani]

Oh, feed not on the wood.

[Mal]

Hood, carpet. That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to tell anyone hate listening that I'm okay with my life. Pretty good seats. See, some say, oh, look where he's sitting. I got the seats. It was like, oh, look. Hey, Josh Hart, let's go. I got to the seats and became a instant groupie. Let's go, Mitch. Are y'all talking about horrible scenes?

[Ish]

Did you see the game with 50 in front of you?

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Ish]

Like, this is sincere question. There's no shade today. I'm just saying, a lot of times it looked like you. Like when 50 stood up the chair, it looked like you just had to ask him what happened. Like, what's it like?

[Joe Budden]

Back then, I was able to see the game.

[Ish]

Okay, okay, okay. I just.

[Joe Budden]

Just wondering, yo, I'm not even used to niggas playing with. But you just got to Ohio.

[Mal]

He's got to take it.

[Ish]

They raise him up a little bit.

[Mal]

It's like the movies.

[Joe Budden]

The funny part, right? Just in your natural assessment of things, when Risk is involved, the Garden security, when you're in that section, there is garden security right there to make sure you don't do nothing stupid around the players. Right? Right. At risk of being banned from the Garden, let me tell you, in the event, you knew where every one of them was.

[Ish]

All I gotta do is grab him. All I gotta do is grab him.

[Joe Budden]

Hilarious.

[Ish]

Larry Jerry, get this help.

[Joe Budden]

In the event that 50 Cent decided to get angry in there. It wasn't nothing. None of them Garden security dudes. Damn. I want a joke. It's like the niggas at the fair that worked Roller coasters over there.

[Parks]

Oh, they got cars already doing security.

[Joe Budden]

So if he decided to do something. Yeah, I would have had to thug it out for a little while. It's like when I fought in dream. That fight was going on forever before security came.

[Mal]

It might have seemed like forever.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was forever. I'm sitting there, hold this thing on the ground like, hey, I need somebody come get. Any day y'all want to come get this off me so I could get up would be awesome. That's important to fight. No, you ain't lying.

[Mal]

And tucking that head.

[Joe Budden]

That was also the best possible place to.

[Imani]

To run into him.

[Joe Budden]

That's to see him in the event that it was something. Because I know that that's the joke I'm rolling with. It was never nothing, but if it was something, yeah, what a good place. I mean, me, Billy Joel, Billy Crystal. If you're gonna do something to me in front of Billy Crystal, nigga, you just might.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Bold.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That's funny.

[Imani]

So good, though.

[Joe Budden]

That's good. But I was safe, Imani.

[Imani]

It's good, man.

[Joe Budden]

I love all my friends checking on me the next day.

[Imani]

No, I stopped checking on you.

[Mal]

Why?

[Imani]

After the last time I checked on this, he was like, don't check on me.

[Mal]

Ain't that what I said?

[Ish]

You got it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he did.

[Mal]

Ain't that what I said? You said that.

[Imani]

So I stuck to your word.

[Joe Budden]

I know how to move, man.

[Mal]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

I see. I know how to move before the game's over.

[Mal]

Yeah, we get it. Better learn how to bob and weave.

[Joe Budden]

My method is in prevention. You know what I mean?

[Imani]

That start hugging shade real tight, right?

[Mal]

Not in front of my kids.

[Joe Budden]

Not in front of my lady. Oh, man. It's always hard to do it. It's always hard to keep me safe.

[Imani]

Sade sitting back there like she ready for the smoke, too. That's how you with Sade.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's my baby man salute. We had a really sunset park.

[Mal]

That's funny, son.

[Parks]

That's hilarious.

[Ish]

That's the kind of drunk you want to be.

[Parks]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that mean that they expecting some dick that you might not be prepared to give, too.

[Imani]

Oh, I hate that.

[Ish]

Yeah, you gotta wave that out. I just hope they pass out.

[Parks]

Yeah, for sure she didn't. No, that's. That's when you want to smoke.

[Joe Budden]

Good night. What? Directly to bed.

[Parks]

Don't pass. Go.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the toy was charged up. Okay. Gave it a deuce, Dukes, a little toy finger combo. I'm going to bed, and I gotta Work tomorrow. Don't be having jobs too. They want to till 4 in the morning. Girl, get off of me. Oh. Anyway. But I am safe where we. Where y'all want to go. Oh, that's funny.

[Ish]

Just to get serious for a second. Some sad news, obviously, for those that care. I know some Catholics are here, Imani being one of them.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Imani]

I'm. I'm a retired Catholic.

[Ish]

Yeah, and I understand you a retire.

[Joe Budden]

Your Catholic sweaters still wear it.

[Ish]

You do look mad Catholic, right?

[Joe Budden]

You do look like Jesus saints in latter day Mr. Rogers.

[Imani]

This is my probation sweater.

[Mal]

She look like Westchester Catholic.

[Parks]

You gotta have the little crest on it.

[Mal]

Yeah, all you need is a WC right here on the pocket.

[Imani]

I'm repping for my guy, Pope Francis today, man.

[Parks]

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. So you got the cross out too?

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like an upstanding cross.

[Imani]

This is the one with the ashes too.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, you took your mom off your thing?

[Imani]

This is my mom.

[Joe Budden]

So you took your dad off?

[Mal]

No, my mom. And you got two different chains.

[Joe Budden]

Took somebody. Somebody.

[Imani]

I have two different chains.

[Mal]

The other one got the one spins. Yeah, the spinner one.

[Joe Budden]

You put the spino in the drawer. You took the spin. Did you drop it to the floor? How do you decide which ashes you go. All right, never mind. All right, Mark.

[Ish]

Pope Francis passed away on Easter Monday after a long bout with illness. You know, for a lot of people around the world, the Pope symbolizes so much. He is one of the most progressive popes we've ever seen.

[Mal]

True.

[Ish]

You know, no religious leader is gonna be, but so progressive. There's some conservative stuff with everybody. But when you start talking about healthcare, housing, even what's going on in Gaza, Pope Francis is calling over there every day to the hospitals in Gaza, checking on folk. I don't think we've seen a more progressive pope than Pope Francis. And I don't know if he'll be replaced by one like that, but he is a symbol and a model of what religious leadership can look like for a lot of people. I got a lot of critiques of the Catholic Church, but at this moment of mourning, I just want to send love and condolences to all the religious believers around the world for whom this is a devastating moment.

[Parks]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you the best at this. Yeah, you the best at this. Rest in peace. Shit.

[Parks]

I just would have never got that off so eloquently.

[Joe Budden]

We used to send some prayers and play some Gap bands.

[Parks]

That's about it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Imani]

Play Ave Maria.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, no, Rest in peace to the Pope. On the news, they were showing me the seven options for the replacement. I was looking at that shit like the house of cards, boy. They was explaining who each person was and their views. And one of them, dude, the Hungarian. Oh, shit. If he get it. Oh, rest in peace. To Pope Francis. Pope apart.

[Mal]

The Trumps, he Trump of the popes.

[Joe Budden]

The way that they described him was like. What was Trump's old vice president name?

[Ish]

Oh, Mike Pence. Well, it fits with the Catholic model.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

This guy. Why did everybody keep saying that J.D. vance had gone to see him, like, a day before or a few days before? But why was that so important to share? Were they trying to they with him.

[Ish]

Saying, like, he second killed him. He sucked his soul out. After that, Francis was ready to go back to the Lord. You know, all the. It was. It was a lot of black people making them jokes too.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Ish]

They were quality jokes. I gotta say.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like part of being black is making, like, some good, inappropriate jokes. Oh, yeah.

[Imani]

That's the best time to make jokes.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Yeah, kind of.

[Parks]

I had a couple, but his were way too mature. His speech was too mature. So I chilled. I chilled.

[Ish]

Yeah. The idea that there could be a black pope is also something that people have been juggling around. I don't think it's gonna happen in our lifetime. I just don't think that it will.

[Mal]

It will.

[Ish]

You think so?

[Imani]

I believe so. I believe so.

[Ish]

Why?

[Imani]

We saw a black president. I don't think the. The.

[Ish]

We voted for that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it's true.

[Imani]

I don't think the Vatican is that far away from. If they got this progressive, I do think we could potentially see it.

[Ish]

They haven't even agreed on the whole touching kids thing yet. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

Like, agreed.

[Ish]

I'm just saying, like, they haven't resolved that. Like, there's so much corruption in these religious institutions. Institutions. And there's also a lot of racism in them. And the idea. And I've said this, but all religions. I'm not just saying Catholics, all religious institutions.

[Joe Budden]

I'm watching the ad money just flying.

[Ish]

You know what? Let's take that back. I will not be responsible for that.

[Joe Budden]

And this is exactly who I want to get my Vatican news from. Money. Yo. Hey. With potting. Sometimes just start talking about that.

[Parks]

It's like, maybe not your wheelhouse.

[Joe Budden]

Fine.

[Parks]

Get it from a Monty and a Muslim.

[Joe Budden]

That is hilarious.

[Mal]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Well, all right. What else. What else is. What else is important? What else is important? Al, can we.

[Ish]

I know we don't like to talk Kanye a lot lot or. Or.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, this is important.

[Ish]

But this one felt. And again, it seems perfect after what we just talked about.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Wait, what?

[Parks]

What? Karen, keep going. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Kanye put out that song Cousin that nobody heard. Nobody knows that this is a song, right? Nobody has Bully Nobody. You're. You're. It did the trick. Didn't work this time. As far as the music is concerned, I don't think that he could just name a song title and people be like, oh, okay, yeah, that's what was going on in that song, right? Like, I don't think a lot of people knew, but go ahead.

[Ish]

So he puts out this song. I'm trying to pull up the lyrics, and he says, and trigger warning for anybody who has definitely.

[Joe Budden]

Trigger warning.

[Ish]

Yeah. He said, hanging with my cousin reading dirty magazines we seen some niggas kissing we ain't know what that shit mean. Then we start reenacting everything that we had seen. That's when I gave my cousin head Gave my cousin head Gave my cousin head I gave my cousin head I gave my cousin head. Can you stop saying that? I think it's important to note that he didn't slip that in as a line. He wanted that to be head head. He wanted that to be.

[Imani]

I want you to know I heard the song.

[Parks]

Did it slap?

[Joe Budden]

It's on brand. Of course Imani heard the song.

[Ish]

Cause I needed to understand. Was this being said, like, in, like.

[Imani]

A therapeutic way or something? It's hard. Like, you should not hear this.

[Parks]

Was there melodies underneath it?

[Imani]

It's auto tune of him singing, I gave him head.

[Mal]

I gave him head. Yo, let me ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. Now you sold me.

[Ish]

And that's a clip, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

Now you sold me.

[Ish]

He gonna be on the Internet forever with that.

[Imani]

It's. It's horrible.

[Mal]

Yo, how do you metaphorically use head to posada foss up belts?

[Joe Budden]

This would not let YG for two weeks. YG couldn't be a victim for two weeks before Kanye said, you know what? I need in on that. That's one. Two. Which really should have been one. I gotta say, for me, this is the greatest oh, that explains it. That I've ever come across.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if anybody out there at any time says, yo, when I was young, I sucked my cousin dick until I was 14, I'm gonna say, oh, that explains some things.

[Ish]

Anything you do after that, it probably explains.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like, I think that Kanye really exonerated, dog. First of all, I'm sorry that that happened to Kanye, and I wanted to.

[Ish]

I mean, who molested his cousin?

[Joe Budden]

He's the.

[Imani]

He.

[Ish]

He's the molester in this.

[Imani]

The cousin is younger than.

[Ish]

Just because you get in the head don't mean you're not getting molested. We got a lot. Cousin's younger.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I thought it was his older cousin.

[Imani]

No, Kanye was the older cousin in this situation, doing this to his younger cousin.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know why he in Japan. He gotta go to jail.

[Ish]

It's important to read the second verse, too, because this is what Kanye's talked about in the interview or in his. Or on his tweets, which he elaborated on. He said, I know these niggas about to judge me now. Check. Started off when we was hanging out. Told my cousin not to tell nobody. Please tell me. People tell me, take it to my grave. Truth will set you free someday. I don't think they understand that I'm not attracted to a man. Now, this cousin, for context, is in jail. Is in jail for murder, murdering a pregnant woman, allegedly. That's according to Kanye. And he believes that perhaps what he did to his cousin or what happened with him and his cousin contributed to the path that his cousin took. So this is about. And to me, when I hear this, this is Kanye as abuser, Kanye as Mal. Like, of course, if you're a kid, y'all both going through some up. A whole. They all up. But the cousin was the victim here.

[Imani]

Yeah, there's a lot of people.

[Parks]

So much to unpack here.

[Imani]

A lot of people are sending words of. Of sympathy and, you know, no to Kanye. I'm like, he's not. I mean, don't get me wrong. He is a victim because of the age. But the person who's really the victim in this situation, the cousin we need to be speaking to that.

[Ish]

Yeah, he's probably blindsided in prison.

[Imani]

And who the hell want. Like, I didn't want you to go ahead and tell that story.

[Ish]

I'm just saying, you mind. Your visit in the chow hall, somebody say was sucking your dick, you'd be like, you got some explaining to do.

[Parks]

Or not.

[Ish]

Or not.

[Joe Budden]

Or a nigga might have been sucking his cousin dick when he heard this.

[Ish]

That's what you have to do.

[Mal]

Oh, that's where your skills come.

[Ish]

Came. Oh. Oh.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even feel right making jokes about this other.

[Imani]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

It's nothing to joke about.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And. And. And Kanye has displayed some behavior Deserving of some adjectives.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Imani]

This is going to sound up to say, and I probably shouldn't say it, but I'm going to say it anyway.

[Mal]

I think I know what you.

[Imani]

I can't wait for the day where we can really have a real, honest conversation about Kanye when he is not able to give us any more. More stories.

[Joe Budden]

All right, that sounds horrible to say.

[Imani]

I, I'm so. I'm sorry I'm saying it like that, but I'm just saying I, I, I want to be able to give a real honest opinion on a positive and a negative side. And I feel like I'm adding fuel to the fire. Adding fuel to the fire. And I feel like the more that he just keeps doing things, we never really get a chance to have a real honest conversation about how we feel about Kanye and some of the things he's done. Like, we, like, we have this love for his music and this love for some of the things he's done in the past, and we kind of keep trailing with it.

[Mal]

Who's we?

[Imani]

Well, the general. General pop. I'm not saying I don't think so. I'm not saying us.

[Mal]

I'm just saying the general population is off him.

[Imani]

Me having a conversation about him today is becoming difficult because every time I try to give him certain level of grace or understanding, something else pops up and I'm, like, out back to, like, ground zero with him. Yeah, that's just where I'm at.

[Parks]

The one thing that's been disturbing about this tweet and song is that so many more people were okay with the Nazi shit, but then when the sucking dick came out, they were like, nah, this is where I draw the line. Like, what?

[Ish]

Right? I agree.

[Imani]

The sucking dick part is the minor part of the whole. We talking about incest and we talking about molestation.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, that part at the end of the day.

[Imani]

So that's the other part of this conference that's bothering me. Like, yo, you niggas don't understand. This is some serious shit. And he's choosing to go to Twitter and put this in this. You have to hear the song just for you to understand why I'm saying that. It doesn't even come off like, a sincere thing of, like, I feel fucked up by what I did. Like, he's harmonizing. I don't want to harmonize over. I gave my cousin head.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

But if it needs a harm, if.

[Imani]

It felt a little blamed, it's like, come on, Kanye.

[Mal]

I mean, the slap for the slap.

[Imani]

Sometimes you got to have some. You got to approach some sincere in a sincere way. If you really sincere.

[Joe Budden]

He did always have that defined jawline.

[Ish]

When he was singing that ego remix, y'all felt like it was. He was just nasty.

[Joe Budden]

It was too real. We. What of. Yeah, it was Eat Joe. What if y was the fire head bustle?

[Ish]

That's disgusting, right?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. It just make me look at some differently now, that's all. Anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

I hope.

[Joe Budden]

I hope he gets pr. I hope everybody that needs help gets the help that they need and.

[Parks]

And deserve and hopefully does it in places other than tweets and songs that people don't hear.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And podcasts.

[Parks]

And podcasts. There's a lot of places that the therapy and help doesn't need to be. Podcasts, tweets.

[Mal]

I think nigga's off him. I think he's starving for some level of attention. And the masses are starting not to throw.

[Parks]

There was like, four inappropriate jokes right in that one second. I'm just leaving it alone.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's tough to be mature right now.

[Parks]

It really is. It really is.

[Ish]

It really is, man. Easter. First of all, are y'all Easter followers? Easter people? People? Do y'all do Easter stuff?

[Joe Budden]

It's a pagan. Huh?

[Ish]

Okay, okay. So no Easter egg hunts.

[Joe Budden]

Happy Resurrection Day. Who can afford eggs right now?

[Parks]

Plastic shits. 420 was celebrated 420. My family is Christian, so they celebrate it.

[Mal]

You can afford the weed, but not the eggs.

[Parks]

Yeah, the weed's cheaper than the eggs.

[Imani]

Might be cheaper right now.

[Parks]

It is, yo.

[Joe Budden]

For sure.

[Imani]

I didn't partake. I don't. It doesn't hit the same like it used to as a kid. Tradition is just. Just dumbed down.

[Parks]

You can throw out no fly. Just.

[Imani]

You know, back then. Used to throw on pastel.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Ish]

So we used to do.

[Imani]

Just go. Go to church. Go to the egg Easter egg hunt. It's not around anymore.

[Ish]

So it was easter. It was 420. It's also Luther Vandross's birthday. I'm assuming y'all speaking about the latter, but do y'all do 420?

[Parks]

I definitely did 420.

[Ish]

I know you don't.

[Parks]

My friend owns a weed farm and a dispensary upstate, and that's where I was.

[Joe Budden]

Us.

[Parks]

So they had a little party. I got ripped.

[Mal]

You was plucking your own weeds.

[Parks]

No, it's not growing yet. It's early in the season.

[Imani]

Salute to Wizards. We. I smoked some of that on 420. I was up.

[Ish]

Really?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Imani]

That's too strong for me. I can't smoke that.

[Mal]

But yeah.

[Imani]

420. I got twisted.

[Parks]

Same.

[Mal]

It was.

[Imani]

Nah, it was. It hit, like, too much.

[Mal]

You scared? You scared?

[Ish]

Nigga, I turned into a bunny.

[Mal]

I'm.

[Imani]

No, no more. Uh, give me the mid.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta be careful where you turn the bunny at, man. Were you in a safe place?

[Imani]

Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Good. Do that shit in the house. Yeah, that's it. I ain't saying nothing. Then. Don't be at that church the second I got old enough to tell my mom, I'm not going to church with you. My G. That was over for Easter. There was no more Easter. That might have been ninth grade. Yeah. 14.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

15. It was like, you know what? I'm not gonna keep going the shit that you make me. New Year's Eve in church. Ah, rap city. It's a rap. The rap for that Christmas tree going up. I deaded that one. I wasn't with none of that shit growing up.

[Ish]

Damn. Did you get festive again like. Like with your own kids or with your. With your lady? Like, do y'all do, like, the holiday stuff?

[Joe Budden]

You know, that's where it's interesting, right? Like, I'll get festive. I'm like, I'll buy gifts on Christmas. I'm not running around some saying I don't celebrate Christmas, but I'm not into the. The other Christmas tree and all of the bells and whistles of it. I'm have to clean it up. Like I said, I know people still with their Christmas tree up right now. Yeah. Just my understanding of holidays and where they come from and why they're there was just. I'm off that.

[Imani]

Not to say the name of the church. But your mom still go to. To the same church?

[Joe Budden]

No, my mom goes to a different church. No.

[Imani]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

When our pastor died, we stopped going to that church along with a lot of other people. Rest in peace. To rev Ron.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Imani]

I wouldn't mind being a part of a church like that.

[Joe Budden]

You came to church with us, right? Did.

[Imani]

I did. And came to a couple of departments.

[Joe Budden]

You know how much Jesus I had to feel? Felt like you needed to say, hey.

[Parks]

Yo, my G, what you doing Sunday?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I don't ask niggas to come to church with me. You know how much saving I felt like, needed to be thrown your way, man. Oh, man. And you left the church and just behave the same?

[Imani]

Nah, that was. I needed that. That was around the time my. My dad passed.

[Joe Budden]

No, you helped me. I'm talking.

[Imani]

You help me down. I ain't go back after that round.

[Mal]

Was dope though, huh? He was dope.

[Imani]

No, he was.

[Joe Budden]

No. Amazing.

[Imani]

So like, if I had a church like that when Rev Ron was around, I would definitely go there for there was some level of still tradition and it felt like family. So if I had something, I can.

[Mal]

See you in there.

[Imani]

No, it was, it was amazing.

[Ish]

Was that a mega church?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, it wasn't a mega church, Rev Ron. This was in Irvington. It was, it was a church that the went to.

[Mal]

He was, he was one. He. He was one of us.

[Ish]

Got you.

[Mal]

Like, I remember I went to he on a pulpit and somebody had walked behind me like, yo, dog, I don't really like walking behind me. So everybody laughed it off. He kept on and dude walked behind. He like, yo, fam, for real, I don't like people walking behind me. Yo, I was locked up. My state number is boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I had some stuff happen to me when people walk behind me. Could you stop walking behind me?

[Joe Budden]

Oh yeah. Ron's story was locked up.

[Mal]

Like, yo, he said his state number on the pulpit, bro.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, he was amazing and just welcoming to, to all pimps, hustlers, scammers, murderers. Anybody could come here. No telling who you was gonna see in that church along with all the seniors.

[Ish]

That's what I love and respect, man. When you get religious leaders like, oh, I already know, Fifi. Yeah, I already know. It's crazy. It's probably like a let out. But that's what we need more of. Unfortunately, we're moving toward the megachurch model where everybody has 25,000 members and everybody's giving.

[Mal]

Not a black community.

[Imani]

Yeah, there's a lot of black megachurch.

[Ish]

It's a lot of black South.

[Imani]

No, there's few out here too.

[Joe Budden]

Where?

[Ish]

New York, New York, Brooklyn has a couple of. And a lot of the smaller ones are trying to be bigger.

[Parks]

They operate the production value of a, of a mega.

[Ish]

Exactly. And they're hoping to grow to 25,000 because that's how you get. That's how you get the bread. That's how you get the bread. And it's not just that they have a lot of people, it's that their actual message is different. They do work word, faith, prosperity, gospels, like, you're rich. I'm rich because God made me rich. And if you want to get rich, the pastor got to get rich. And. And that becomes the model like creflo dollar and all them talking about, you know, the Lord wants me to have A jet. People buy into that. People buy into it, so that's what they get.

[Mal]

You disagree?

[Imani]

Yes.

[Mal]

Oh, but you said nobody should be.

[Joe Budden]

A billionaire, which he stated here.

[Ish]

Yeah, you said.

[Mal]

But you don't feel nobody should be a billionaire.

[Ish]

Yeah, but I also don't think you should go to poor people and tell them to give you your money. Even if I believe in billionaires, I wouldn't want it on the backs of poor people.

[Imani]

All right, so let. Let's just say he considers what he's doing the Lord's work.

[Ish]

I don't think he does.

[Imani]

And let's just say because he's. Because he's a. He's a global.

[Mal]

He's a global.

[Ish]

I don't believe. I think he's. I think he's a hustler. I think he's full of. I'm allowed to say that.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

I'm not saying every pj. I'm talking about that one in particular.

[Imani]

Creflo.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Imani]

I mean he got dollars in his name.

[Ish]

Yeah. And he was trained by Fred Pro Christ, who also again interesting name also Prosperity gospel.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

Anybody tells people that the only way to show that you have faith is to get rich. And only. And being rich is what show is a tested sign of your faith to me is. And it's dangerous. I'm not. There's nothing wrong with being rich. But if you tell. If you tell a bunch of poor people who giving you their last dolls and you're going to. He doesn't say this but you're going to hell if you don't tithe or you know, I mean the only way all that man you exploiting to people. You know what I mean? And everybody.

[Mal]

The less black people you see Damon.

[Joe Budden]

Wayne money brings you into a new category.

[Mal]

You move to a different house in.

[Joe Budden]

A different neighborhood and you get different friends.

[Mal]

Your money people that come around you.

[Parks]

To help you make the money.

[Ish]

Right.

[Mal]

Maintain your money and make more money, the complexion changes. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

I like.

[Mal]

So I love about like LeBron, you.

[Joe Budden]

Know, he's got his own. He got Mav and he got Randy and he got Rick. Yeah, yeah. So he kept. He kept that group. Yes. Poor Shane. And that's not the money clip I'm looking for. There's a football player that was talking about. I saved it. I don't know where it is. Just talking about how he don't care about money and don't need all of the extra money. Like to Mark's point about it should be no billionaires. He Was just like the amount of money I have is enough for anything I want to do and need to do. And I don't have a desire because. Because the more money that you make, the more you're asked to do things and the more you're tasked with and it can make life unmanageable, unhappy. It just comes with some other things. I saved it because it was real interesting for Patreon. I can't find it now, but whatever. Like, how much money do each of y'all need to make in your life? I'm gonna ask Mark, cuz he doesn't believe in any of that. Billionaire.

[Ish]

I need a number though.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so I'd be good with 50. 50 million.

[Ish]

That's all I need. In fact, liquid.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking lifetime. Like if you made 50 million in your lifetime.

[Mal]

No, he's saying if he.

[Ish]

50. If I could put my hands on 50 million at any given time, I'd.

[Joe Budden]

Be, oh, you need a bulk liquid.

[Ish]

Liquid, yeah, because you talking about investments in houses, values, you know, I'm talking about, like, that would be enough money that I would need. But if, you know, if I said net worth of 50 million, I'd be fine. I'd be fine. Actually, probably less than that. 25 million.

[Joe Budden]

I'd even say Armani.

[Imani]

Mine is really, really, maybe 10.

[Joe Budden]

Like 10k. Okay, 10 mil. 10m.

[Ish]

He said cash for his ultimate.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Mal]

In all.

[Imani]

In all honesty, I would want to at least make enough to where I can pass down to my kids. I'm at. At this point, I'm not really concerned with the aspect of how much money I personally have for myself.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. Actually, I'mma save you for last parks.

[Parks]

10 million would be more than enough than I would ever need. Honestly, I'd probably be cool with having 5 million.

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Mal]

I don't have a number. I think. I think that as your experiences grow and as your money grows, then your spending grows. I think that. I think that when you get 10, 10 is not going to be enough for you no more.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Mal]

Because right now Parks got an E class. If parks had $10 million. Parks don't have an E class no more. Parks might go get something bigger that costs more. Parks house that he wants right now, he might want a bigger house.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Mal]

Parks, what he does for his family, his mother, his father, his sisters, might change with all of that money. Like, if you get some money, you'll buy your sister a crib, you buy your mother a crib, your nieces get college funds put away and all of that shit. It just depletes what you already have because those things are now options for you. So I think the more money you get, you find ways to spend it. Now, the obscene amount of money is like the money we talking about with Elon and them. Them niggas don't have that amount of money liquid to Mark's point. Like mark saying, 50 million liquid. If you got 50 million liquid, your net worth might be 200, $300 million.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Antwan, can you just participate?

[Mal]

I don't have a number, baby.

[Joe Budden]

I like you right about what you're saying, but can you just. If you had to say a number and it came and that was the only number, you had to literally say.

[Imani]

Give me a liquid number. A liquid.

[Mal]

30. 40 million liquid.

[Joe Budden]

40 million liquid. Yeah.

[Parks]

I feel like if I made any more than $10 million, I would be doing a lot of charity. I don't know what I would need that much money for.

[Imani]

Personally, it's probably not good to say, because they do say you manifest. I don't think I'm supposed to have that much liquid.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Imani]

I don't.

[Ish]

Me, personally, I definitely don't think you should have that much liquid.

[Imani]

I don't think so. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think so. I think, nice, safe, comfortable space, living happy, cool. Anything more, I might bug out.

[Ish]

I think when you get to 10 million, to issues point, I don't think you'd be doing charity just yet, because things do. Like if you. If you have 10, and then you buy a house that costs, say, three.

[Parks]

Right. You're right.

[Ish]

Just. Just take care of that. House is going. You know what I mean? Now, if you're very conservative and you save your money, you can. You can live off the interest, things like. Like that. But 10 million is not enough money to be done. Start giving stuff away. 50. I think you can start giving some. Some stuff away. You can start being real generous.

[Joe Budden]

See? And even answer your question goes. I can see how there's people out there that hear these talks and be like, I'm gonna find a way to insert myself in some. And what's your father?

[Mal]

And two. Two part question. And has your number changed since when?

[Imani]

Since five years ago.

[Joe Budden]

I never changed this. I never asked myself this question because I was never. I'm not the money guy. I just can't say that here. But I'm not. I don't care about the money.

[Mal]

It's changed because at one. Because at one point, I Remember having a conversation with you, right at one point, you're like, yo, if I get 50, I'm good. 50, 1,000, 50,000amonth. Like you like, if I could get to 50k a month.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I've said that more. I said that.

[Mal]

That's all I need is 50k a month on air.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, was I wrong. Hey, hey, listen, I couldn't have been any more wrong than that.

[Mal]

But that's how I felt to the average man. That's why I don't say that shit no more. There's nothing in the world that I can't accomplish that I would quote, unquote, need with 50k a month. A lot of people feel like that.

[Ish]

Most people feel like that.

[Mal]

Yeah. And so now when you get 50k a month, you can see how that should go. Yeah.

[Imani]

But if your goals change, you start to partake in more things. Yeah, that number's gonna have to change. Like, if you wanna just work for your 50k and that's cool. But if you wanna own some shit, build up your own network, then, yeah, I can see how that number would have to increase.

[Parks]

True.

[Ish]

But you gotta have an investment.

[Mal]

No, I'm talking about you making 50k. Like net you netting 50k. You get what I'm saying? Out outside of your expenses, whatever your.

[Imani]

Expenses are, you just go home with 50k.

[Mal]

Think that that's enough money until they get 50k?

[Ish]

Because it is.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I ain't going to hold you. When my driver went to Africa for two weeks, she was, she was, man.

[Imani]

Had to drive.

[Joe Budden]

Poor thing. That fell like section eight, that's up.

[Mal]

I had to drive a couple hundred.

[Parks]

Thousand dollars and got a ticket in the Ferrari.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even know. No, it's just a normal car of the Rolls.

[Mal]

The normal car.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the ticket world has changed since my last time driving. They needed to pull you over to give you a ticket before.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, they just mailed.

[Imani]

No, just bill.

[Joe Budden]

They mailed me some shit. You doing 35 in a. In a 25. They sent me the video. You can't even lie. It's you I was cruising. They talk about at the school district, it's Sunday.

[Parks]

Yeah, my girl got one of them this weekend actually. And they sent the video. It was like on Queens Boulevard. So I was like, what? School is right. There ain't no school. It's a highway.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I never want to drive again. School anyway. I never want to drive again. But if I Made. Whatever y'all talking about, a few things have to go. Like, Martha has to go. The driver has to go. I could do it. It would just be miserable.

[Parks]

Miserable.

[Imani]

It wouldn't.

[Ish]

What's your ideal. What's number. What's the number where you could be like, I'm good. Basically play our game, participate.

[Joe Budden]

If I'm just freestyling and this number is going to hold me over till death. Yeah. I could see 500 million.

[Parks]

I think you could make do.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think you can make that happen. Tighten your belt a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

But it's not for me. It's for my kids. It's for the estate. At this point, nothing I do is for me. It's all. It's all for the estate.

[Imani]

So you would need 500 million to hold you down till you pass.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, the word estate, I mean. Yeah. To me, says it should be more than $3,500 in there. I know when I was estate planning, and I was before I knew what he was doing, and I still don't. All the way. No, I need to call him again because it's a long process. But when I was telling him what I would like to leave everybody, I had more than that and didn't know.

[Ish]

Wow. Does everybody get the same amount? All kids get the same amount. How about for y'all?

[Joe Budden]

But you're saying kids. My kids, yes.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But I got brothers, I got sisters, I got fucking cousins. I got other people that I'm.

[Mal]

And, and that's the part that I'm talking about right now. Where we are in. Well, not us. Where we are in life. That's not an option for you because you don't got 20 million. You don't got 30 million. Your nieces. And taking care of your nieces and your nephews is not an option for you. That's why I'm saying when you get 10 million mil, that 10 mil will run away like that because other things open up.

[Parks]

Well, the more money you make, the more people you feel obligated to take care of.

[Mal]

You have the option. For most people, you got the option to do it.

[Joe Budden]

I could imagine it being like that.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

And I, I, I feel differently about the legacy piece of it in the estate part of it. I mean, I want to leave my kids stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

But I don't feel the need to leave them. I'm more like the way Warren Buffett is like, you know, he had a gajillion dollars, and he left him a very conservative amount Relative to what he had and the rest of it, he gave away to the world.

[Joe Budden]

To the world.

[Mal]

He ain't dead.

[Ish]

I know he wanted to do it while he was alive.

[Mal]

He's saying. And I believe them niggas be talking.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes I check up on. Well, actually, recently, I asked my dad where Bailey's money went. Bailey is dad's friend who hit the lotto for like 300 million or something like that. And he passed. I didn't like the answer. Like, he was. He wasn't all the way together. So it's probably with attorneys, the state of New York.

[Mal]

Like that.

[Joe Budden]

And this. That's a sad. That's just a sad thought.

[Mal]

It's different.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Mal]

And for us, especially, being.

[Joe Budden]

And rest in peace, Bailey, Black people won't be.

[Mal]

Yo, when you start sitting down with them lawyers, your. Your mortality starts to be a. A certainty that a lot of people don't want to think about.

[Ish]

That's for sure.

[Mal]

Especially for blacks. You know what I'm saying? My aunt just passed away. Rest in peace, and.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Mal]

And so now, you know, my mother and my aunt, they was like sisters. That's a conversation I have with your mom.

[Imani]

No, they were sisters.

[Mal]

No, it was my great aunt.

[Imani]

Oh, okay, great.

[Mal]

But they was, like, close in age, so they was like, no, no, no.

[Parks]

I was confused.

[Joe Budden]

My mom and my aunt was like.

[Mal]

No, no, no, it's my great aunt. But they was close in age. And so those are conversations now. You gotta start having moms like, yo, where do you want to be buried?

[Imani]

Yeah, that's some bullshit.

[Mal]

Like, that is a conversation you don't want to have.

[Imani]

That's what I do with my sisters. Just every I, I. Everything is on them. If I pass before them, they administer everything past you. Control what gets to my kids. Cause I just trust that they're going to do the right thing and they'll.

[Ish]

Defy your state up.

[Imani]

I don't care. Y'all go handle with that. And then if my, you know, my oldest son gets to a certain age where he can show that he can go ahead and do, then I would change things at that point. But moving forward, my sisters hold everything there.

[Ish]

I was thinking about this Roddy Ric. The reason that's about the kids and how you treat different kids is because of this Roddy Ricch Easter controversy. Did y'all see this thing?

[Imani]

No.

[Ish]

Where he, Roddy Rich, got in trouble for posting. He took an Easter pic with one of his children.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Ish]

But he didn't take a picture with his Other child who apparently is autistic.

[Mal]

Oh, that's gonna hit hold for Was he there?

[Ish]

And, and, and that, that's what I wanted to ask Joe. Cause Joe was the one who first hit me to this.

[Joe Budden]

See, this is the picture that went out of Roddy Ricch and his daughter.

[Parks]

Uh huh.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Beautiful picture.

[Mal]

Yeah, amazing picture.

[Joe Budden]

But apparently. Let me see here. All right, I'm gonna read Roddy Rich's response to this. First, he says, this will be my first and last and only time discussing this matter. Yes, I included my son in the photo shoot of my daughter's first Easter and first time in la. No, my son did not want to take pictures due to overstimulation. Yes, my son is autistic. No, I do not love my son any less. Yes, I've been ridiculed and slandered through social media. No, I do not feel I am obligated to explain myself to complete strangers. Yes, I threw my son a birthday party yesterday with my entire family present. No, I did not share the moment online because it was also the second time my kids were in the same setting. Yes, I provide for both of my kids. No, I do not give a fuck if you believe it. No, I do not complain about my responsibilities. Please. Yes, I am tired of this situation. Happy Easter. And this came because his son's mother saw that picture and was like, yo, you didn't post a picture of our son. Are you ashamed? What's going on? So she said, and I quote, yes, your son was a part of a shoot that was never announced as Navy's first Easter. You said it was because you wanted to take pictures with both of your kids for Easter. Yes, my son was overstimulated cuz you took two hours to get a haircut and your makeup done. Yes, there were pictures taken with my son, but because he wasn't standing there posing like a robot and instead being himself, he wasn't included. Regardless, your son celebrated his fifth birthday and just got a text that said, happy birthday, son. Yes, he had a joint bday party yesterday with his customers. Yes, you showed up four hours late and stayed for an hour and didn't come by your son till it was time to leave and you wanted a picture. Yes, I've had my son every single day since last year. Regardless of a court order. If you're going to tell the story, tell the whole thing. It's intense.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of I don't think the whole world should know it information.

[Joe Budden]

You know what Though what I find in recent years is that the kid's birthday is when some shit could pop up. If there's shit to pop up. I agree with you. I don't think it should. But like we saw with Kanye and Kim. Not that he's the greatest example, but there are examples where on the kid birthday, if all is not right, it could go away.

[Parks]

True.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Thank you to the parents who are able to go ahead and just keep some of this shit off the fucking Internet. Like, as much as I sit back and I complained about a lot of the stuff that I went through with my son's moms, I'm so happy that today we can just get on the phone and if we have a problem, just talk some shit out and never feel like we got a tweet or Instagram some stupid shit just out of nothing. Like, you both love your kids. Why the fuck you taking this shit to the Internet? Like, he has every right to do what he wanted to do. He shouldn't have to go explain this now to the rest of the world because you felt the way about something that could have been a phone call, right? Like, we don't need to always be a part of y'all group chat shit. Leave us out of this. Yeah, I shouldn't even have to have a judgment based upon why he didn't want to put his son in the picture. That's his business.

[Joe Budden]

Imani is absolutely right. But I love reading your business when it's funny.

[Parks]

That's the problem is this one is not funny business.

[Ish]

Right? So then you get all. You watch, I read this stuff, and I just get anxious because it just takes you to all these different places. And it frustrates me because, first of all, I understand why people don't post their children on social media.

[Parks]

Word.

[Ish]

Yes, I completely get why. And for a long time, I. I didn't. Because of these types of conversations and audiences, fans, the public, whatever, make a lot of assumptions about your life based on what they see in that picture. And they get. Not just judgmental, but they get invested. And I remember it was maybe like six months ago when I had posted a picture of my daughter. I think she. I don't know what it was. She did something right. Maybe she, I don't know, turned 21. Whatever. Maybe it was more recent than that. One of those weirdo fake accounts started hacking me. Mark has another daughter that he's ashamed of that he never takes care of, never mentions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cause I guess they had. They do Internet Weirdo stalker shit and realized that I had another child and grandchildren and these two grandchildren.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

And so because I had never told that story about me just meeting her until I was here a couple weeks ago, they made all kinds of assumptions that I was being a shitty dad and that I was somehow ashamed of this other girl and that I was a deadbeat as opposed to the exact opposite being the case. Right. But they were trying to start a kind of campaign, you know what I mean? They were almost trying to not blackmail me out. It wasn't that strong, but they were definitely trying to kind of apply pressure on me. Cause they don't fucking know.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

And so when I see that thing of Roddy Ricch, I'm like, I don't know if his child's mind could be right. He could be. I don't know. But I know enough to know that I don't know. So I'm not gonna go on the Internet and slander him, attack him, say he's a. I mean, I saw the attacks that he got. I didn't know that the, the, that the mother responded, but I saw the taxi guy and I'm like, we don't know enough to have an opinion on his life at all. And this is why people should just, you know, I get why people don't. Don't put their kids up. I get it 100%.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the Internet can be very mean to children.

[Parks]

Yeah. And dangerous to children.

[Joe Budden]

I'll use Summer Walker as an example. Like she, she's somebody. There's plenty of people I know that if they could take back ever putting their kid on the Internet because y'all are mean spirited. Especially if I have an autistic kid. Yeah, we just saw this audience.

[Parks]

I hate to bring it up, but back to yay. He's friends with this family and was mean to kids on the Internet.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

It don't even always be the stranger dog. Avatar. Stranger.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

The people, you know, different and depending on what.

[Joe Budden]

What level of autism. Them niggas don't be beat. I ain't going to hold you. Nah, they don't. The kids is autistic. The lights, the cameras, the noise. The other kids is too much. Leave me alone and you leave alone. So again, I'm with E. This ain. This is not our business. But once I saw him say that his son was autistic, I had a new level of understanding what was going on.

[Mal]

Let's say this to me, it's audacious for some strangers to even attempt to hold you accountable. For why you did or didn't do a certain thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but this wasn't a stranger that was attempting to hold him accountable. Now, the strangers came later, came after you.

[Mal]

You get what I'm saying? Like, the comments and all of that shit, it's like a level of entitlement that they are not supposed to have. It's crazy. I didn't. Again, I didn't realize that till I came here, because all that shit was not a part of my world. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know these things even existed until I got here.

[Imani]

You know what's crazy is I. I had a situation with. With my oldest son, and his mom was very adamant in the very beginning. Please do me a favor. Do not post our son on. On Instagram. Anyway, I don't post them. I have people that typically attack me online. I really don't want the trial, the troubles. And for me, I was like. Like, that ain't got nothing to do with me. But at a certain point, I sat back and I was like, you know what? Maybe this is best. Not just for her, but also for my son. And on the top of the fact that I'm in a space where people like to just dig into my own shit as well, so maybe that would be the best thing to do for him. Like, so sometimes just those little conversations, even if it might not be where.

[Mal]

You mark, talking about the investment, like, bro, these niggas will go digging.

[Ish]

Yeah, I've seen people go digging for years.

[Mal]

Have. Have asked me, your dog, I with you on the pod. Can I just see a picture of your daughter? You just had a new daughter, right? Crazy to me. What are we talking about?

[Imani]

It's crazy. It's sick.

[Mal]

Like, what are we talking about?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all can't see no picture his daughter. I ain't seen a picture.

[Mal]

That shit goes from. That's not fandom. To me. That's. It's not fandom.

[Joe Budden]

Like, it's. It's. It's.

[Mal]

It's not cool. It's whack.

[Ish]

To me, fandom in the age of social media has gone up another notch. People feel like they deserve.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Ish]

To be inside your house.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Ish]

Yeah. In a way that they didn't.

[Parks]

Because so many people do that because they're like.

[Joe Budden]

They're inside of people's houses. Yeah.

[Parks]

Truman Show. Everyone took Truman show to be truth and reality in the past 15 years.

[Imani]

For me, it's less to do with the actual person. It's just them wanting to be a Part of something, no matter who it is, if they can just find it through you, then cool. But they just want to feel a part of something that's bigger than.

[Joe Budden]

This is one of my biggest regrets on I brought to the game.

[Mal]

You did.

[Joe Budden]

You did, though sometimes I lose sleep over it. This wasn't. This wasn't my intention when I created this.

[Parks]

They used it for evil.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's the problem. That is the problem. So stupid.

[Imani]

What you created.

[Joe Budden]

Huh? What you created the Truman show in hip hop.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Imani]

No, you. Yeah, no, no, I'll give you that.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Parks]

I give you that.

[Joe Budden]

You was very stripping away from me.

[Imani]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't like the. The snarling what you created, you ass.

[Ish]

Yeah, I ain't like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was.

[Imani]

I was just trying to understand what you're saying. But now you. No, you're doing that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Stupid ass Joe Button community went out there and found the porn stars that look like Ronnie Cycley. Huh?

[Parks]

Oh, that.

[Joe Budden]

That. That was a little fun. That was fun. What else happened? Y'all tore me up for the female silver Surfer, y'all. I'm old. I forgot.

[Imani]

I ain't like.

[Joe Budden]

Like that.

[Imani]

I don't like that.

[Joe Budden]

That little female silver surfer lady was important for two months in the comic books growing up. These don't knock it. The I remember shorty now that y'all said. Anyway, what else? What else? What else? Is there anything in music that needs our attention? No. Right.

[Parks]

Not really. Other than the non music that we just talked about.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Let me see. Let me see what's on my list because I know I got some here. Let's see. All right, I have Tyler being Tyla in a story that no one cares about, but I wrote it down anyway.

[Parks]

Tyler or Tyler?

[Joe Budden]

Tyla.

[Imani]

Oh, talking about the Britney.

[Joe Budden]

Tyler with the Britney Spears inspo outfit where Tyler came out and was like, I didn't get this from her. No inspo there for certain. I just thought the outfit was cute. And then somebody said something to her. She was like, why don't you shut the up? So. But they was on Tyler's ass. I can't say nothing about it though, because I already said enough.

[Ish]

She maybe was.

[Imani]

She probably wasn't as. But your style.

[Parks]

Yeah. Just about to say.

[Mal]

Somebody might have said, put this on. And she don't even know.

[Parks]

It's like a green top with denim shorts.

[Imani]

Iconic Britney speaker Spears outfit when she did MTV Awards and all that. So I mean, it's very similar. And at the end of the Day someone got some insight.

[Ish]

Your stylist knew if you.

[Mal]

Tyler is how 22?

[Imani]

I don't know.

[Ish]

She wasn't born.

[Mal]

She's early 20s. She might not know what the. That's what I'm saying.

[Imani]

She might have not been inspired by it.

[Mal]

But yeah, might have not.

[Imani]

Don't get me wrong though.

[Mal]

If you.

[Imani]

If you're a study and a real artist and you've known you. You know the legends. You know those certain looks that came across like the JLO look is just a legendary look that she did at the MTV Awards.

[Ish]

Yes, sir.

[Imani]

Lil Kim shit with the one boob out is a legendary look. Whether you are a kid at that time or older, you remember those looks. So you know where the inspiration is coming from.

[Mal]

Shit, you bugger.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, that's not the point. The point is whether you got inspiration for Britney Spears or not. Why'd you say that?

[Mal]

Yeah, you could shut the fuck up. Just don't say they come from a meat. Yo, dog, they come from a mean ass place. My. We just talking about this. These come from meanness. These. On the Internet. They growing up in the Internet. If you disagree with a. On the Internet. Suck dick, you ass, you. That's what they come from. Any remote slight disagreement is. Oh, yo, you sucking dick, you so get your. Get the dick out your mouth. You like. Yo, bro, what are you talking about? I just said. No, no, I disagree. That's where they come from.

[Imani]

I expect almost any celebrity to crack at some point. When you get in, nothing but bullshit thrown your way all day.

[Mal]

Unless you are older, veteran, you know what I mean?

[Imani]

Yeah, the new gods.

[Mal]

You're gonna crack.

[Imani]

Shit. The veterans is cracking. So you gonna at some point be frustrated and wanna respond back to somebody.

[Ish]

Everybody has those moments.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm on the total opposite side of this front of y'all.

[Mal]

I believe you.

[Joe Budden]

How you see it again, like we started earlier, like. Like when you was talking about being calm and what being calm means. I come from the old school meaning of celebrity, which was limited access.

[Ish]

That's real.

[Joe Budden]

So today fans should be able to say anything that they want and most of it probably will be mean without really knowing how you feel in response to it. I don't agree with that.

[Mal]

You don't agree with what?

[Joe Budden]

She could have been in her house or just any celebrity. They don't. People don't have to know how you feel regarding all of these matters. There's nothing wrong with shutting the fuck up, especially when it's this inconsequential. Who cares if you got inspo from Britney or not amidst rumors already that you kind of a dick. I'm not going to say that because I'm 44 and I've said it already about her. But. But yeah, all the comments are just like, all right, we can understand why some people think that this girl is a dick. And that's cool when water's out.

[Mal]

I think that's unfair. I think that's unfair. I think that this is a human being. And, yo, just because you're a celebrity and you wear a certain or you have a certain job that don't entitle people to say whatever the fuck they want to say to you. And if you feel like it's a day where you tell them, suck my dick and shut the fuck up, you are entitled to do that. If they entitled to be disrespectful, you entitled to tell them, suck your dick. You come in here in days and tell them people, suck your dick.

[Ish]

And you 45 years old, I think you're entitled to. But you shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, I think you're entitled. I agree. I empathize with everybody who does that. I've had those moments. You've had picking and choosing, bro. No, no, I'm saying I think we have to pick and choose, though. Like, at that level. Just. I don't think we should because I think it's bad for business. I think it's bad for us.

[Imani]

You know, I don't like that because once again, it gets back to picking and choosing who we like it to come from from. There was a lot of times where Rihanna was clapping back at everybody and we was cheering it.

[Mal]

On last Twitter, she was.

[Imani]

She went back at celebrities, she went at other artists, and we were like, yo, that's some real. Because she's speaking straight from the human. So it's.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Ish]

But it's a little different Rihanna, too, because part of me, for me, Rihanna is having fun with it. Like, it's different when you look like you clowning people and playing people versus you actually look angry. Like you want to actually go out and fight somebody. And again, I'm not saying I'm above it. I'm just saying, like, I think we end up looking bad if we respond to. If we show that they're getting to us for sure. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying. Whereas I didn't feel like they were getting to Rihanna. I feel like Rihanna was just clowning people. Celebrity, regular, whatever. I disagree.

[Mal]

But it's cool. I mean, we don't gotta keep talking about it. Rihanna Cardi has had interactions with fans like Cardi's get the fuck out my face. Suck my dick.

[Ish]

She said, chop a dog walking people.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, dog, humans are.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all are naming people, one, that are outliers, two, that have partially built their brands on this behavior that you talking about so Cardi can come out and do that.

[Mal]

Rihanna didn't build her brand on that.

[Joe Budden]

That was part of it.

[Imani]

No, it wasn't.

[Mal]

No, it wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

It 100% was a part of building her brand. It was 100% a part of it. Her being able to say certain things that other artists were unable to say and it be received a certain way, that was a part of her.

[Imani]

She started building a part of brand.

[Mal]

On risque off of.

[Imani]

She was already successful at that point when she started to build that brand. This young lady is no way near the type of success Rihanna was at that point.

[Mal]

Not even close.

[Imani]

This can still be a part of her building her brand. Yo, I'm very blunt. I'm not gonna sit back and just let y'all say whatever.

[Ish]

So school me on this. Because I don't know her well enough to know. Why are people reading her as a allegedly as like, maybe a dick as opposed to Rihanna?

[Joe Budden]

It was the. It was. Yo, hold my award. Could you hold my award, please? That played a big part in it.

[Ish]

Okay. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And the manner in which she did that. A lot of people turned their nose at the interview. The Usher. The Usher dancing. Duh.

[Ish]

I remember that one. Yes.

[Parks]

There was a colorism conversation.

[Mal]

It was a conversation about ethnicity.

[Ish]

Oh, she was the one with the. With the black color.

[Mal]

South. She from South Africa.

[Joe Budden]

It's been. It's been a few. It's been a few.

[Ish]

Some don't seem fair to her, but I get it. I, I, I, I, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm not with celebrities wanting everything to be fair. I just don't understand this. I don't understand that nothing about your celebrity life is fair. I'm confused by this. What?

[Imani]

What is she saying that she wants to be fair?

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not talking about you. Just saying just in general says, damn, some of that's not fair to her. He's right.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Where. I don't know when we got to this time where fairness should be allotted.

[Mal]

To the world, but it's not even a celebrity thing. The world ain't fair to Nobody, Right?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Cool. But if the world's not fair to nobody, then we gonna hold everybody to the same standard. And if Joe Button wasn't a rapper and Joe Button was a mechanic or engineer or an accountant and somebody says something rude to you, you're entitled to tell them, suck my dick.

[Joe Budden]

Not. Okay. Say. Yeah, I don't like the word entitled right there. And I don't want to be circular in this conversation. You can say anything you want. How much money do you make while you say it?

[Mal]

I. I think the money piece is irrelevant.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, see, I don't.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Mal]

I think that you stand in what you stand in, and I think you welcome.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's foolish to even think that the money part.

[Mal]

I think that some people make trust choices and decisions, and they live with the recourse or the circumstance. I mean, or the. If you made a choice of what they saying.

[Parks]

If you made a choice to go into a career where you're gonna be put in front of a bunch of people, people are going to have criticism. You should know that. And not everyone is going to be nice.

[Joe Budden]

And for me, this is the classic Franklin from Snowfall. Yo, y'all want me to be mad at the way a nigga talk?

[Mal]

I disagree.

[Joe Budden]

It's niggas getting.

[Mal]

When I came and sat on. And I don't want to make this about me. When I came and sat on this couch, I don't think I came and sat on his couch and said, yo, I'm gonna come now, speak in front of the public. And so now I take whatever comes along with that.

[Ish]

Did you have any expectation that way?

[Mal]

No, I knew nothing about that.

[Parks]

That's. You should have.

[Mal]

No, I shouldn't have. No, I shouldn't have.

[Imani]

No, that's not. That's not. Not for him.

[Mal]

No, I shouldn't have.

[Imani]

Well, this was never part of his background. He didn't really have a full understanding of what this.

[Parks]

But true. But when you come and decide to.

[Imani]

Be a part of the other side, no one really took. No one really told him what.

[Mal]

How do you know what to expect? You don't know that if you're. If you hit the lotto, right? If you hit the lotto for a hundred million dollars, how the. Do you know what to expect? That comes along with having $100 million?

[Ish]

Some things you don't expect.

[Mal]

You don't know that there's some things until you experience it, you have no idea.

[Ish]

But if a bunch of people started asking for money and pretending they Were your cousin, you wouldn't be surprised by that. I would say that's something you should have expected.

[Joe Budden]

Or.

[Mal]

But the people. But the people that might be close to you that you looked at and you loved and they start treating. Treating you funny or they act funny, that would be surprising to you for sure.

[Ish]

But what I'm saying is the, the. The example of the person who has an extra credit, who gets extra criticized now that they on TV or in front of a camera, I'm saying that to me is more akin to a bunch of people asking you for money. In other words, like, we've been on the other side of it. Like, you and your homie sit in the barbershop. We sit in the barbershop and talk shit about people who. Famous people. Right. So I would assume that you would have expected that. I'm not saying. I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I'm just saying, like, I'm surprised.

[Imani]

It's fucked up that y'all just expect people to turn off their human instinct of just wanting to go ahead and respond. Like, I get it. Yes, there are certain things. There's a gift and a curse that comes with Entertainment. Yes, you 100% should be able to understand.

[Ish]

You eat it and you eat it.

[Mal]

But it's a human response.

[Imani]

It's a human thing to want to respond and even sometimes respond.

[Ish]

I don't think you wrongful feeling that way. I'm just saying. The one thing I'll say is a lot of times we normalize and naturalize, like the, the benefits of this position. And this is the part that I think Joe's right about. Like, it's not gonna be fair, but it's also not fair when we get to the front of the line at the restaurant. It's not fair.

[Mal]

I said the world ain't listen.

[Imani]

Curse.

[Mal]

I'm not saying. But both can be true. The world ain't fear. The world ain't fear if you're a mechanic. But you can respond how you respond. You just gotta live with no doubt.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

We on the same page.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, Respond. Respond how you wanna respond. Let me let y'all know out there that people are talking bad about you right now.

[Parks]

Yeah. Famous or not, more people are talking.

[Joe Budden]

About you no matter where you are, no matter what you're doing. You could be the accountant, the mechanic. All these occupations they should be using. Somebody is talking mad about you.

[Parks]

Yeah. I can't think of the amount of times I've walked out of a mechanic shop or stop and Talk bad about the person I dealt with because they were. Whatever rubbed me the wrong way. You go to a restaurant to get bad service, you're gonna be talking bad about that later. Or server. The gig is the gig.

[Joe Budden]

This is just cruel.

[Mal]

He reserves the right to tell all of these people.

[Imani]

And he choking people too. He just got locked up.

[Mal]

Who did?

[Imani]

Mark.

[Joe Budden]

For real?

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Imani]

Like a month or so ago, got into a incident with a dude in. In a restaurant.

[Parks]

Say, like Islam?

[Imani]

Nah, he was doing some racial slurs.

[Joe Budden]

Him.

[Parks]

He ain't like it.

[Imani]

Yo, them up.

[Mal]

Merry Christmas.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't think it was possible, but they're turning me off this song now.

[Ish]

It's terrible.

[Imani]

Don't let them do that.

[Joe Budden]

It's terrible turning me away from this song. I don't know if you guys heard this clip, but I'll play it for you.

[Mal]

Being influenced Y. Yeah.

[Parks]

Tesla Cyber.

[Imani]

Make me more it. Make me like it more now.

[Ish]

I can't.

[Joe Budden]

This audio is bad, so I'll just tell you. This is actor Miguel Nunes. I'm not familiar with him, but he claims that Simon Cowell, creator of X Factor and former A and R executive, offered the hit song Return of the Mac to Eddie Murphy. But Eddie Murphy turned it down. And now I can not. Not only can I not unhear it. This is an Eddie Murphy song.

[Parks]

It should have been an Eddie Murphy.

[Joe Budden]

I can't unhear that now. Yeah, one for sure. Now. I look at it as one of those songs that were a spoof. Yeah, the spoofs that they pass around the industry. The creator hit.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, the.

[Joe Budden]

The. The Manufactured Science Lab hit that. We can give this to whoever, and it's a hit. I don't like those hits. I don't like those.

[Parks]

Sometimes I like those hits.

[Joe Budden]

Well, sometimes I do, but I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes, historically, I like the person. If ish is a hit maker, I want to hear what those hits sound like.

[Parks]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to hear just hits being shopped to anybody. If anybody do it, it's a hit. Boom, bah humbug.

[Parks]

Except for what? It works.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And it works sometimes.

[Parks]

It works sometimes.

[Joe Budden]

So. So as a bah humbug. I hate that.

[Mal]

Like, if you are a writer. Writer, right.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a writer or a producer and a producer.

[Mal]

Like I'm saying, for other. Like other people, primarily, you could write a song and say yo to me. I would like to give this song to X. Or I would like to give this song to Y. Like, if you hear Kanye talk. Kanye was like, yo, he did Heart of the City. He said y'all wanted to get that song to dmx. Like I envisioned DMX having that song. You get what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

So I understand what you're saying. Let me. Let me.

[Mal]

Because that sounds like an Eddie Murphy.

[Joe Budden]

What I'm saying is, what adds to my point is that Mark Morrison never had nothing else.

[Parks]

That's where it gets tricky.

[Joe Budden]

There was never another song. Slap Jam album. It's just we gave this to you. This is forever cemented with your name, but you gone.

[Mal]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, just a one. One time quick. Hell no. I can't respect it.

[Imani]

You still got to deliver the record.

[Joe Budden]

And he did.

[Imani]

So let's not strip that away. He delivered the record the way, but it was tailor made to just be more of a fun loving thing. And his tone fit that. Which is why when you hear Eddie Murphy could have did it, it makes all the sense.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to hear that now. Now I'm mad.

[Imani]

Oh, I think.

[Mal]

I think it would have been an even bigger smash. Smash.

[Imani]

If you have.

[Ish]

Because it's.

[Joe Budden]

If you have a different affinity for Eddie Murphy songs.

[Ish]

Oh, you. Oh, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz you was in the Michael Jackson.

[Ish]

I know it, though.

[Joe Budden]

Of course, we know if Eddie Murphy walks in any record label and says, hey, Rick James produced this for me, and here's what we got. They're putting all the money to make.

[Mal]

Sure Murphy has some more slaps on it, huh?

[Joe Budden]

More Rick James.

[Ish]

I hate his man music.

[Joe Budden]

More Rick James.

[Mal]

See, that's what I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Rick James will write you a hit.

[Mal]

And he could really sing. And they said that, that, that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you want it. You glazing.

[Ish]

You getting too far. This is what.

[Joe Budden]

This is what the young boys call glazing.

[Imani]

Eddie can hold the note.

[Ish]

Eddie can sing for an actor.

[Imani]

He can hold the note.

[Joe Budden]

Eddie can. Can he sing better in shade.

[Imani]

Come on, stop.

[Ish]

How many girls can sing better than Eddie Murphy?

[Joe Budden]

I'm just checking your temperature, buddy. Stop.

[Imani]

Don't do that, all right?

[Joe Budden]

Just tell the audience how Eddie is.

[Ish]

The Vandross.

[Mal]

About to drag it and put something in the universe. I'm saying that Eddie Murphy can sing like he ain't no bum singer song.

[Ish]

Yes, he is. He's a mediocre singer.

[Mal]

It's a lot of mediocre singers. Some of our favorite singers are mediocre singers.

[Ish]

And I think Eddie's right.

[Joe Budden]

None of my favorite singers are mediocre singers.

[Mal]

That's not true. Some of your favorite Artists like who?

[Ish]

Name somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Keith Swe.

[Mal]

Not even Salt.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody. I ain't going to assault nobody.

[Ish]

I think. I think Keswell's the better singer than any Sweat.

[Imani]

And keep.

[Ish]

I love Keith Sweat.

[Imani]

OG Keith. Love him, but he.

[Parks]

You be outside a lot.

[Joe Budden]

If y'all are about to say. Are y'all about to say that Eddie Murphy sings better than Keith Sweat? No, I'm saying Keith Sweat is the name I wanted to ask you about after I heard your shot a take.

[Imani]

Oh, no. So listen, I wasn't about to say that. I was saying. He said, name some other mediocre singers that are great artists. I think Chief is a great songwriter, great producer, all that. I don't think he's known for being a vocalist.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

And I'm saying Eddie's under him.

[Joe Budden]

He stepped the, too.

[Ish]

I know.

[Parks]

Yeah, right there, too.

[Mal]

And you're in Harlem.

[Imani]

I know.

[Ish]

Eddie was the benefit of being famous and having a great production and a great. A great album. I. I agree that a lot of. There's a lot of mediocre singers out there. I just think Eddie would not be somebody I would call a singer. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

And Eddie's a plant.

[Parks]

We don't always want to hear a virtuoso singer.

[Joe Budden]

Eddie was a plant.

[Parks]

You want something I can sing to? I don't want to try to sing along with someone that I can't sing to.

[Ish]

No, that's fair.

[Parks]

Otherwise, we would listen to opera.

[Imani]

But that's the beauty of a. That's the beauty of some of these songs that you can sing along with. Like, don't get me wrong, it wasn't like Mark just didn't have any type of vocal ability, but he did enough to where you didn't discredit him. And he did.

[Ish]

Right.

[Imani]

Not enough to where the next normal person walking down the street can sing.

[Ish]

Right.

[Imani]

That's sometimes the catchiness of a great hit rock record.

[Parks]

It's almost like the rappers that can rap super well don't necessarily be the most successful because it's hard to keep up with it.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only reason I was saying anything about him being a quality singer is I don't. I'm. I'm not necessarily convinced that if he had the song that it would have gone to the next level. I think sometimes it's the right person at the right time that just hits that. That just hits that mark. And even though Eddie was more famous, I don't know if you would have bodied the song. I think he would.

[Parks]

I think the Song would have been better.

[Imani]

Nah, this would have been. This would have been a body bag.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Imani]

If Eddie would have did that. That body bag.

[Ish]

You like Eddie more than I do, so that's part of it. Yeah.

[Imani]

Big OG and you, you know who Michael Miguel Nun is? That's Joanna, man. Joanna, man. He was also in life. He played the game.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all think I remember.

[Ish]

Don't be scared.

[Mal]

That's the dude's name?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

No be scar.

[Imani]

He was on he.

[Mal]

Don't be scared.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Pretty Ricky's. What you call him? Martin.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Imani]

Come on, man.

[Mal]

I know that was his name.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to put some respect. I wish see my thoughts sometimes. Okay. No, I know who it is now. All right. What else, what else, what else? What else? What else is there? Let's see. Damn. The draft is Thursday.

[Parks]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Budden]

The draft is Thursday. I don't know if y'all are equipped to have a NFL draft talk.

[Parks]

I mean, a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

But I only wanted to ask you guys. I think the entire draft is decided by us. The Giants at pick three.

[Parks]

I think two, actually, is going to make a lot of.

[Imani]

I think Travis is going to.

[Parks]

I think whether. Whether they pick Travis or Abdul Carter is going to make a big.

[Imani]

I think. I think the Giants is taking that running back. Back Gentry. I think they're taking him. I think after that point, it's Weber.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, you don't talk no more on this topic. Please. Go ahead, if you don't mind.

[Imani]

Okay. Do me a favor.

[Joe Budden]

This is like that Vatican stuff.

[Imani]

Do me a favor. If, if it runs down being Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, and then that little running back dude, then come back and talk to me, though.

[Parks]

That's very. A lot of people consider him a. A top five.

[Joe Budden]

Take Ashton Genty and the great words of Charlemagne, the God. Okay, I, I. Okay. Hey, wait.

[Parks]

You should be excited.

[Joe Budden]

That's how egregious I think your football take is right now. But if that happens.

[Parks]

I don't think it's that.

[Mal]

I don't think it's that egregious. That's not that egregious.

[Imani]

I don't think it's that egregious if.

[Parks]

Y'All took him right there. If I were a Giants fan, I would be happy with that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Unless you bypass Travis Hunter.

[Imani]

Okay, Trav, If Travis Hunter is picked.

[Joe Budden]

What do you do?

[Ish]

Don't write that check, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Hey. No. We did it. We done? No, I'm out of here.

[Parks]

I don't think they will, but I don't Think it would be the most egregious thing. There's a lot of people that have him regarded as a top five, at least overall talent in the draft. They don't typically draft running backs that high. But the Giants did it before with Saquan. I don't think it would be that egregious and regard.

[Mal]

Keep him.

[Joe Budden]

Got it, guys. And that is our NFL draft. That is our NFL draft coverage. Holy.

[Mal]

So stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, are you crazy?

[Ish]

Giants, please pick them.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy.

[Imani]

Please pick them.

[Joe Budden]

It's almost like I'm in a room of people that haven't watched one draft show.

[Parks]

I've watched them million and no one has him slated.

[Joe Budden]

No one anywhere in the world has said genty to the Giants at 3.

[Parks]

I agree. I agree with you.

[Mal]

Nobody.

[Joe Budden]

So, y'all, I just want to know. I just let y'all know y'all are breaking that.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

That is a hot take.

[Parks]

I don't think that will happen. But that being said, I do think that his talent would.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't think. I don't think they'll take him either. But what I'm saying is, if they did take him, I wouldn't be like.

[Ish]

Oh, they the biggest floppy.

[Mal]

I wouldn't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

They just didn't pay Sakewan, so I doubt they. They take him.

[Joe Budden]

Well, this is the Saquan thing. Our running back now is actually pretty good. He's also young. Like, this is his second or third year coming up, like, but he's more.

[Parks]

Of a scat back that part. He's nice, though.

[Joe Budden]

Tell that to fantasy owners. He didn't look like that to me. That nigga was putting up buckets. He was the only back they had for a long time, actually.

[Mal]

So you don't got no choice choice but to put up buckets.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, hey, I'm done with football talk. We did it. We did it. Hey, the draft is Thursday. See you guys there Saturday. I'm sure we'll unpack it. I feel like there's something in music that has to be there that we're just not discussing. Is music that beat?

[Parks]

Yes.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Imani]

Really is.

[Parks]

It really is, bro.

[Mal]

We almost in May.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I know.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? We almost. Everybody's like, nah, nah. That heavy hit is coming at first quarter. Ain't no hitting been done. My. This is trash.

[Joe Budden]

I'm fine with that because I, I, I. There's albums that came out that you.

[Parks]

Guys still got Bad Bunny and Kendrick. I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm still listening to that bad Bunny.

[Parks]

Me, too.

[Ish]

Yeah. His tiny desk was great.

[Parks]

Amazing. Amazing. That band was incredible. Yeah.

[Imani]

I'm gonna just go to the Heights if I want.

[Mal]

I'm good. No, it's not my thing.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all doing anything this weekend?

[Ish]

I'm traveling.

[Parks]

I'm going to Nashville.

[Imani]

Nashville?

[Parks]

Yeah, it's Rem's birthday. That's what she wanted to do. All her friends. That's dope. Yeah. Me and my man Duff will be the only dudes there. I think that's.

[Imani]

Is he single?

[Parks]

No, his. His girl. His girl fiance is. Is coming as well.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody is single but you, by the way. Like, everybody in the world found their person.

[Mal]

He found some people.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. He found his people, his tribe.

[Ish]

How.

[Imani]

But that's dope.

[Parks]

It should be fun. I do feel like at some point, we're gonna be the only dudes there with, like, eight women.

[Imani]

When y'all leaving?

[Parks]

Fri. Saturday. Yeah. Pull up. It's right there.

[Joe Budden]

Got it wrecked right quick. Look at him. He ready already.

[Parks]

I love Nashville.

[Joe Budden]

You said you're traveling?

[Ish]

Yeah, I gotta do Friday. I got a. Well, no, Saturday, actually. Saturday I gotta do a speech in North Carolina. I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina, speaking to, I think, about a thousand educators about what's going on down in North Carolina. And then I'm headed to Denver on Sunday for a few hours to deliver.

[Mal]

An academic paper, which I'm on the war tour with. Muhammad, my man.

[Ish]

It's exhausting, man. I wish. I wish. I wish I could not do it. But, no, the academicianship don't pay. No. Like, it literally doesn't pay.

[Parks]

This is for the culture, really.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah. I spent six months writing an essay, a theoretical essay that I'm going to deliver on Sunday morning to the American Educational Research Association. So, you know, I want people to hear the paper, so I'm going to do it. But it's a drag to go all the way to Denver for that. And then I got to fly out back on Monday.

[Imani]

What pays? Like, the joints that Dr. Uma and them be doing?

[Ish]

Yeah, I mean, I get paid for speeches, but I don't get paid for, like, papers. You know what I'm saying? So the speeches pay pretty well, you know, and I give a large chunk of it to charity.

[Parks]

But the papers is what draws in the speech, buddy.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

Is that how the.

[Ish]

You'd be surprised how much they don't. People don't care about the paper. It's very inside baseball. Like, nobody pays attention to it. If I go on TV or I write Like a newspaper article or. I do like a magazine thing. Yes, but like actual academic papers. 12 people read those.

[Imani]

Hey, big, big dog. How much you said you give to charity?

[Ish]

A significant portion. About the same portion he gives to autism.

[Mal]

I don't give money to autism. I gave money to a non profit.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's just buying prom outfits.

[Ish]

I get the same percentage.

[Joe Budden]

Did I do that already? When the is the prom?

[Imani]

Tomorrow?

[Mal]

May.

[Imani]

Oh, that's right.

[Ish]

I didn't know you did this.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ish]

You buy prom outfits for people.

[Mal]

I'm donating. Donating tuxedos and outfits to a bunch of boys that can't really afford them. But they GPAs and like that are high. And a lot of them wasn't even gonna go to the prom because they.

[Ish]

Just couldn't afford it.

[Imani]

That's dope.

[Joe Budden]

Dope.

[Ish]

How much does it cost to do that?

[Mal]

You can get some money. I'll talk to you.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm. Yeah, tell me I'm gonna donate. That's what I'm asking. Yeah, I'll definitely donate to that.

[Joe Budden]

That's dope.

[Ish]

Yeah. I just need some photos to show that they were purchased. I need to see go and fall.

[Joe Budden]

For this little pyramid scheme if you want more. Hey, you got to be careful with the boy. That four on a. Four on a hoodie.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Imani]

Sweatshirts.

[Joe Budden]

That's that issue.

[Ish]

That's that issue on the side of the limo.

[Joe Budden]

Idiot.

[Imani]

That's dope. It's nothing. You ain't do nothing.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I'm going down south. My aunt pass away. Oh, condolences.

[Imani]

I gotta invite y'all out next week.

[Ish]

You perform? Me?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Imani]

Some. Some of the pe. It's a funny invite and them. But there's an establishment that wanted to like honor certain customers and stuff at the establishment. And then one thing.

[Ish]

This yourself Shady as the way you.

[Joe Budden]

Telling yo this why he don't do the main. This right here. Why this is not allowed. But go ahead. It sound like you spent the last money.

[Mal]

I a say saying.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not.

[Imani]

I'm not saying the establishment, cuz I want it to seem like I was giving shout out. But you know, spot that. That is this a strip club? N Spot.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not coming. That same. Come on. Go ahead now you.

[Ish]

They showing love.

[Imani]

So I.

[Ish]

Oh, it really is.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't want to say it.

[Parks]

Free appetizers.

[Imani]

He said it. I didn't want to say it.

[Joe Budden]

These are buy one, get one drinks.

[Imani]

So I invite y'all out.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Parks]

Buy one get one.

[Joe Budden]

Well drinks.

[Imani]

Just the way to get the guy.

[Joe Budden]

Like when Mel had the Disney skybox. You doing. You doing that again? Okay. Just want to invite everybody out. See, I'm that paranoid. Yeah, when people invite me out is when my paranoia begins.

[Ish]

I can see it.

[Mal]

Me.

[Joe Budden]

Don't personalize it.

[Imani]

Yeah, but. But he should know me better enough to know that I can already determine. And you not gonna want to be here, so I'm not even sending an invite. I'm good at that.

[Ish]

What kind of spot is. What is the spot? I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, Truth. Idiot. Mad times. They get them all the time.

[Ish]

They get me.

[Imani]

Nah, they never get me. I never get got.

[Ish]

So tell me about the spot, though.

[Imani]

No, I'll put you on after.

[Ish]

I mean, not the name of it. It's like a restaurant. It's like a lounge.

[Parks]

It's like a little hookah lounge.

[Mal]

All of them.

[Ish]

Yeah, all that.

[Joe Budden]

Where did they give you the brown bag?

[Imani]

It's no brown bag.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, it's me. My. We took brown. We took the brown. I would tell you.

[Imani]

I would tell you too.

[Ish]

I would split it with too.

[Joe Budden]

No, you don't split it with me.

[Mal]

Yeah, with who you want.

[Joe Budden]

Don't split it with me.

[Ish]

So the whole crew invited, though.

[Mal]

I. I'll.

[Imani]

I'll. I'll speak to you after.

[Ish]

Cuz you said I want all y'all. I didn't know if you meant all.

[Imani]

I figured it would be a nice time to.

[Joe Budden]

To.

[Imani]

To really hang with the. With the.

[Parks]

And I'm sure depending on who shows up, it'll be beneficial for you.

[Ish]

Don't get me wrong.

[Parks]

You're not paying for a drink and.

[Joe Budden]

See ever again in your life.

[Parks]

You cannot come free hookah for life for a month.

[Ish]

Exactly. You don't give a. If we come at all. Trust me.

[Joe Budden]

Negotiating the watermelon mint like he ain't. God damn it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Holy.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see. See, let's see. Let's see. Does anybody care that Kendrick Lamar has been announced as a brand ambassador for Chanel? Let me hit the round of applause.

[Imani]

Hey, that's fire.

[Parks]

That's fine.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Nobody gave a. About that.

[Ish]

I'm Kendrick. Doubt, yo. I hate to say it. I'm Kendrick.

[Joe Budden]

I think.

[Mal]

I think that's fine.

[Ish]

Congrats to him. I just talking about.

[Mal]

And I think him pivoting to other worlds and being accepted over there. I think that's fine. I think you just build on that brand.

[Imani]

I don't know if I like that word.

[Mal]

Accept it.

[Parks]

What's that.

[Mal]

That's not true. Yeah, everybody don't get accepted into high end fashion. That's. That's a task.

[Imani]

Well, he's already been like, before the Chanel announcement, he's been showing that he's into fashion and he has some relation to it. It's not like this is his first time doing something in collaboration with a brand. But I. I just.

[Mal]

They made him the ambassador.

[Imani]

I'm not gonna lie. I'm kind of with Mark a little bit. I just. Do your thing. But I've just heard so much of you this past year.

[Ish]

I could use like six months of no Kendrick.

[Joe Budden]

How are you even gonna say that in that T shirt?

[Mal]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

How can you say I'm Kendrick out in a T shirt that says the future is black and feminist? I feel like that's his same movement.

[Ish]

No, no, not at all. I mean, again, salute to him. I want him to win. I just.

[Imani]

It feels like I don't need a new headline every.

[Ish]

That's what it is. Yeah.

[Imani]

I don't need a new headline.

[Ish]

It's been 12 months of him having a loose stool and we gotta talk about it. You know what I mean? Which is again, nothing bad about Kendrick and I'm not criticizing us talking about it right now. I'm just saying for me, Kendrick, I just had like overexposure. I feel like he's almost overexposed right now for me. So I just. Even as a brand move, it's interesting to think about why. Just the timing of it. Like, I. I wish he. I wish this announcement would have happened right after the super bowl, right before the Super Bowl. I like, he was right at that peak for his sake, you know what I mean? I don't know if other. Because I feel like other people may feel like he and I feel. Which is a little Kendrick doubt. That's all.

[Parks]

I can dig it. I mean, he's coming. His single is still number one, and he's going on a stadium too.

[Imani]

I mean, listen, I get it, but with someone like him who's always been so like, kind of like, like recluse a little bit and not really, it's a little different for me. So maybe that's just what it is too.

[Mal]

I think he building his own brand now. He not under TDE no more. And I think him doing that, I think if they would have announced it around the super bowl, it would have almost seemed gimmicky. I think now right here, it seems more authentic and it seems. You know what I mean? Like around the super bowl shit. Seemed like y'all just dick riding right. You know what I mean? Like now, I think in May. Well, April, maybe them announcing it. I think it sounds more.

[Imani]

I appreciate the wins.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Like I said, just every two, three weeks, we getting another. And not even by just him, just the people, period.

[Mal]

Stop hating.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Hating on the cable.

[Ish]

Wait. You could have wait to see if.

[Imani]

Someone was hating on Kendrick up here.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Parks]

I'm still going to that show, and.

[Imani]

I. I'm going to the show. I want to go.

[Parks]

It's just all the other stuff that you're talking about.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's just all the other. Yes, I could do.

[Parks]

Dig it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I can dig it.

[Joe Budden]

Because it's a slow day. I. I follow this. This page that does subway takes.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

It's a guy that gets on the subway. Oh, with the car microphone. Yeah, the car. That's the microphone.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he asked somebody to give a take. Yeah. And they give one. Which. Which to me, not only is a great show, but it is the essence of podcasting. Like. Like give or take. So I be really listening to these shits. I wanted to play one and get your thoughts on. I actually wanted to play a few of these. I wanted to do this on the Patreon, but since we got time today, I'll just do it. Tell me what y'all think of this concept.

[Ish]

What's your take?

[Imani]

There is no such thing as nothing.

[Ish]

100% disagree.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, look, okay, all right.

[Ish]

Something.

[Imani]

No, I'm saying there's no such thing as nothing.

[Ish]

Oh, so everything is something.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, so I was. So I do 100.

[Joe Budden]

I think you 100 agree.

[Imani]

Try to conceptualize of nothing in any manner.

[Ish]

Try.

[Joe Budden]

Try to describe it.

[Ish]

Just black, like, when you close out. Oh, wow, That's a profound something. Oh, my goodness. Wait, So I do 100% agree. There is no such thing as nothing. Everything is something.

[Joe Budden]

We use the word in a way that I think undermines our ability to conceive of a brighter future.

[Ish]

We use the word nothing.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Imani]

We say, well, there's nothing there.

[Mal]

We learned to use the word in.

[Imani]

A way that I think dismisses the incredible existence of.

[Joe Budden]

Of everything.

[Ish]

Maybe it is a defense mechanism.

[Joe Budden]

Now, either this is some really high shit.

[Parks]

Nah, I'm rolling. I'm rolling.

[Joe Budden]

I'm kind of with him.

[Parks]

I'm 100% rolling.

[Ish]

Yeah. I think on one hand, that is what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Only on one hand. Yeah.

[Imani]

I mean, because even the vacuum of space, you know, I mean, I just.

[Ish]

Think, like, there's There must be some kind of nothing. Yes. I just think that in science, I need some cookies to cushion.

[Mal]

I'm waiting to hear you niggas. I'm waiting to hear you niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Well, me and park said we agree.

[Parks]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Ish]

I agree, too. I think blessed black people have always done right.

[Joe Budden]

Agreed.

[Ish]

Yeah. I think we've always rejected the idea of nothingness as the final word. That's why we say we made a way out of no way.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

That's why. You know what I mean? We turn nothing into something, right? Because we always know there actually is something there, even when we say nothing. And that. That's the basis on creating new. I think that's why black people so dope.

[Imani]

Appreciate you. My black brother.

[Ish]

Is laughing at me.

[Parks]

What's nothing is.

[Mal]

It's hard being woke, boy. It's hard being woke.

[Ish]

It's just hard. See? How do you see it?

[Joe Budden]

What movie was that?

[Mal]

He was like, man, night School. He's like, man, it's hard being woke.

[Ish]

I ain't see that.

[Mal]

I think it's too much thought going into that. Like, the actual word, nothing. Saying that nothing is something. That's true. But when you start trying to delve into it, I think you're trying too hard.

[Imani]

Everything ain't that deep, yo.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, you trying.

[Imani]

I'm sorry. Like, don't. Don't give me. I see the logic.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's no such thing as nothing, but you don't have to define it. You don't got to go down this rabbit hole.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Battery up.

[Ish]

Was good at it.

[Joe Budden]

Segregation.

[Ish]

So what's your take?

[Joe Budden]

Bring back segregation.

[Parks]

100% disagree.

[Joe Budden]

Dead ass.

[Mal]

Bring it back. I want to know where I'm not welcome.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Put them signs back up.

[Imani]

Colors only. Whites only.

[Joe Budden]

Let's do it. All right. Rip the band aid off.

[Imani]

Especially for a restaurant.

[Joe Budden]

Are you kidding me?

[Ish]

Whites only. What do I want to do in there?

[Mal]

Mayonnaise, hot dogs.

[Imani]

Colors only. He got seasoning, turmeric.

[Ish]

Hey, I like this.

[Parks]

Okay, you're saying that the black excellence.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Ish]

The segregation is to get the.

[Joe Budden]

The colored excellence. Okay, okay.

[Imani]

What's the playlist in the whites only spot?

[Joe Budden]

They playing Carrie Underwood and Kid Rock.

[Mal]

Ain't no overhead lighting.

[Imani]

What are you talking about?

[Mal]

Ain't no overhead lighting.

[Parks]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Look at his hair. Talking about, where am I going? That's the problem with North Africans.

[Ish]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, Distinguished cast. I'm talking about where I'm going.

[Imani]

I support what the you said, I'll.

[Mal]

Go out on a limb. Prior to my current involvement, I wouldn't have been opposed to what she's saying. I wouldn't have been opposed to that.

[Ish]

But now.

[Joe Budden]

You can't use your wife as an aside.

[Parks]

I don't want to go back to the whites. Guys, this is going to be problematic for me.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to go. I don't want to go.

[Imani]

They can make some mutual spots. Please, let's go together.

[Parks]

Please.

[Mal]

The middle zone.

[Imani]

Middle zone.

[Mal]

I'm not mad, yo.

[Imani]

Listen. It sounds crazy.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Be careful after your little Vatican talk.

[Ish]

Chill.

[Imani]

It's been posed before by a few people. I'm not mad at the take. Do I think we'll solve anything? No.

[Mal]

Do I think it'd be helpful? No.

[Imani]

But it's not a bad take.

[Mal]

I do like.

[Imani]

I like my racism in front of me.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Nick Manor. Good memories.

[Parks]

Overrated.

[Ish]

100% agree. I have an awful memory, and I love it.

[Parks]

It's great, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Pick up a book, awesome book.

[Mal]

Three years later, same book, fresh watch.

[Ish]

Movie. Twists and turns.

[Joe Budden]

Five years later, later, shocked and on again. They're gonna be together.

[Imani]

Oh, my God.

[Parks]

They're not.

[Joe Budden]

He's dying.

[Ish]

Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Spoiler.

[Ish]

Honestly, the best thing is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. Go to. Go to sleep upset.

[Mal]

Go to sleep in an argument, wake up, next day, it's a new dawn.

[Ish]

That's advice to get to get to the old ball and chain. Never go to sleep upset.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but if you have a good memory, you might wake up still upset. Yeah.

[Ish]

And then you have to suppress.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. I agree with a lot of you.

[Parks]

That was for you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna beat you all day down with all of this.

[Parks]

That old.

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Mal]

It's nuts, bro.

[Joe Budden]

What's the name of that p. Subway Takes.

[Imani]

Oh, all right. I definitely got to go.

[Joe Budden]

Look at that.

[Mal]

Cuckoo's Anonymous.

[Joe Budden]

Look at this. Hold up.

[Ish]

What's your take?

[Joe Budden]

Anything is a dating app.

[Ish]

100% agree.

[Joe Budden]

Spotify, Venmo. Age of someone. Venmo.

[Ish]

You're saying Venmo.

[Parks]

Anyone that has their Venmo public is a hob.

[Imani]

Is asking to be flirted with.

[Parks]

That's a fact.

[Mal]

Anything.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, Reddit threads, reds, New York Times crossword. Is this a dating.

[Parks]

I met my wife on trivia.

[Joe Budden]

She's not wrong. She's right.

[Parks]

I met my wife on trivia. Crack.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely right.

[Imani]

Wait, you met your wife on trivia?

[Joe Budden]

That's right.

[Parks]

Trivia crack.

[Mal]

What's that?

[Ish]

The. Is that.

[Parks]

It was like Trivial Pursuit, but like an app game. And they had a little dm. That's where I got my fly.

[Joe Budden]

It was horny. Horny. I was.

[Mal]

You solved the 12 letter joint.

[Joe Budden]

Baby. Gravy.

[Mal]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Anything's a dating app. She's right.

[Mal]

That's hilarious.

[Imani]

And it's a fact.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's fat. I ain't no word will get them horny.

[Joe Budden]

Bro.

[Imani]

Listen. Kingdom too.

[Joe Budden]

Get them on.

[Ish]

All them.

[Joe Budden]

You definitely knew that. You throw all the words at these. Look.

[Mal]

I ain't even going. You got me.

[Joe Budden]

It's cool. I ain't gonna say. Later on on Patreon. I might go through some more of these. Just cu. They're pretty creative.

[Ish]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They try to play the Shannon audio on my phone. Every time I open my phone. That Shannon audio is right at the top. I'm trying to avoid it because I don't know what's real and what's fake and what's doctored and what isn't. I'm just trying to wait. Just trying to wait it out. Fair.

[Parks]

Fair.

[Ish]

I just love that he said the video was 30 seconds. The real interaction was a whole 10 minutes. Whole 10 minutes.

[Mal]

Put the whole thing out.

[Joe Budden]

I also don't know about famous men allowing themselves to be recorded and not keeping the video. Or maybe he sound like he didn't know.

[Ish]

He didn't know.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't know he was being recorded. She called over to the crib and I'm also. I'm.

[Mal]

Yo, let me ask. Let me ask you this. If. If that is the case.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Why is he at this girl's house?

[Mal]

She might have been at his house recording him.

[Parks]

She could have been.

[Imani]

How do you still get to record? I. I don't. I don't know how that pans out.

[Parks]

She could have had a little. It's mad spy camera.

[Mal]

Do you know what type of technology is out here?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

My thing is this. If. Is it safe to say that if somebody is recording you that they plan to use that recording at a later time?

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? And that's scary. My. Like that.

[Parks]

If we take Shannon at face value too. When he recorded himself on Instagram Live. He's not very good with technology. Is. I guess what I'm really 50 something.

[Imani]

I still don't believe that.

[Ish]

When he actually hit Instagram Live.

[Parks]

Yes. Okay.

[Ish]

Happens to be all the time.

[Parks]

And then start selling dick pills next. Next episode. Yeah. Anyway.

[Ish]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Mal]

Is that what he did?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Imani]

Yeah. Literally soon after started announcing his dick pills sponsors.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Start selling the rhinos right after.

[Joe Budden]

And. And we covered it here.

[Mal]

That's crazy. I remember recovering the.

[Joe Budden]

The thing. I ain't know.

[Mal]

You start selling monkey meat. That's funny.

[Ish]

Why do you call me.

[Joe Budden]

You say like that and then look at me.

[Mal]

Yeah, you staring.

[Imani]

Who told you this should be called a monkey?

[Mal]

Nobody.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever.

[Mal]

You. I don't. Yo, what you call your picho?

[Imani]

Tasso?

[Joe Budden]

Whatever.

[Mal]

Who the come up with another name for whatever? Want to call a monkey?

[Joe Budden]

Yep. Y'all have names for your dicks? No.

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Just making sure. I thought I was missing out on something.

[Mal]

No, you got a name for your dick.

[Imani]

You're.

[Ish]

I'm not an actual name for you.

[Imani]

I'm not saying a person. I'm saying.

[Ish]

Yeah, me and Mike coming over. Lady doesn't refer. He said, me and Mike coming over here working.

[Parks]

It definitely would be mj, too.

[Mal]

Me and Jeffrey coming today, baby.

[Imani]

I'm saying your lady doesn't refer.

[Ish]

Like, you know when you have, like.

[Imani]

Little nicknames for certain things as a couple. She only got, like, a nickname for certain things.

[Mal]

Please let us know one of your lady's nicknames for your johnson.

[Imani]

I don't have one.

[Mal]

One of your women.

[Ish]

Come on.

[Mal]

I've had.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Imani]

I've had her referrals.

[Mal]

Give us a name, nigga. Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Muggsy.

[Mal]

He played mad D.

[Ish]

Yo. That's funny.

[Imani]

Win the dunk contest, bro.

[Mal]

Chill out, yo.

[Ish]

Chill out. He got hops.

[Imani]

He got hops.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mal]

Oh, you little.

[Joe Budden]

With energy.

[Ish]

Michael Adams. Holy.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy, son.

[Imani]

Oh, man.

[Mal]

You ain't gonna tell? Nah, you got it, bro.

[Ish]

Clearly it's a safe space to tell this kind of stuff. Tell us.

[Imani]

Nah, I was just asking y'all if.

[Joe Budden]

Amani get a nose ring. He would look like a stud.

[Parks]

A stud?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, a bunch of you kind of.

[Ish]

Dress like a stud right now.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. I'm looking at swag.

[Mal]

Yo, you do look like Bernice. That's funny, son.

[Joe Budden]

The Bernice of the stud world, yo. Yeah, man. Ice night here, my man, Ice night. It's something going around right now. Where they saying Bernice. People are saying that Bernice looks like just every four. There's plenty of 40 year old women that look like be these.

[Imani]

Wait, who said that?

[Joe Budden]

People just. People were saying that on the Internet.

[Ish]

Yeah, I saw it on Twitter.

[Mal]

Yeah, and you mad Ice not here.

[Joe Budden]

Because it doesn't matter. Why would they say I want to hear him speak to it and he's not here.

[Ish]

I miss the guys and Women like I miss every.

[Joe Budden]

The three people here clean up with your shirt on. I meant put your little feminist shirt. I missed the game.

[Ish]

It was the gas.

[Joe Budden]

The whole gang here.

[Ish]

This is a good show though. But it's. You know.

[Joe Budden]

You think that, bro. Think what?

[Mal]

Yeah, your opinion on it.

[Joe Budden]

On what which part?

[Mal]

Bernice is just the average 40 year old.

[Joe Budden]

I think my opinion on this is well documented. We don't need. We don't need my opinion anymore.

[Imani]

No, not in any.

[Parks]

Nowhere.

[Ish]

Nowhere. She has the average 30 year old.

[Joe Budden]

I think she got the 30 year old.

[Ish]

Right. That's what I'm saying. She got them all wiped out. Average.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I don't think people know what average.

[Mal]

She got some 20 year olds. 20 year old wipe down. Yeah. We talking about averages.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Imani]

On an average. Yeah, for sure. Face card alone.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm mad. Ice. Ice is not here because I want to ask him if this is my New York bias. My Bernice views.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Parks]

We have Instagram.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's right.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

I. Anything else that I need to get off of my. My mind and spirit and soul. How about you guys call me a stud?

[Ish]

I mean, bro, you seriously.

[Mal]

Yo, you look. You look like a Nicky. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

And whatever he did to his hair, there's something going on.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Now you got to go lay something down. Now you got to just go b us out there.

[Ish]

Mugsy going for 30 tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Ish]

Stop calling my.

[Joe Budden]

Oh my God. All right. Sleeper. Sleeper. Sleeper. Sleeper. Sleepers. Sleeper. Sleeper. Sleeper. Sleeper. Sleeper.

[Parks]

I did see CS actually. I'll take that. Oh, on the way out. You saw it too?

[Joe Budden]

Please.

[Parks]

No one else here saw it. I. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Imani]

I text the group chat. Nobody answered. Nobody said nothing back. Y'all.

[Parks]

I said the group chat is not for productive conversations.

[Imani]

I'm realizing that slowly has things about Sinners was great.

[Parks]

I really loved it. It was very Tarantino esque. I don't want to do any spoilers or go deep dive because I know y'all are going to see it tonight. So we'll talk about it on Friday. But I really love it.

[Ish]

Cannot wait. I got date night set up for it and everything.

[Parks]

Oh yeah. We had a little bit of 420 edibles left over. So we, you know, I mean.

[Ish]

Oh, you saw it on edibles.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

That's a good idea.

[Imani]

I'm not going to lie. I like it so much. I. I think I'm going to go again this week.

[Parks]

I'm not Mad at that.

[Ish]

That's what's up.

[Mal]

That's why. You going again this week?

[Imani]

I'm going by myself. Going by myself. The first time I went with my home girl and we both enjoyed it, but I. Movies like that, I want to sit by myself and just really watch.

[Mal]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

Can't.

[Ish]

Can't.

[Mal]

I ain't saying nothing. I'm not saying nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Mugsy outside.

[Mal]

Little mugs. Yo, that's your name? Little mugs.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I am going with Destin Conrad. This record is called Kissing in Public. You're so shy, I wonder why I wonder, I really wonder why. So fly with you, you Things don't change when I'm with you that don't feel brand new. Hold my body don't hesitate when I kiss you you know I'm with you hold my body there don't change when I'm with you. You don't feel brand new. Hold my body. God damn. Brand new music from Destin Conrad. That record is called Kissing in Public. Hey. Available in your phone on DSPS right this very second. Shout out to Destin Conrad.

[Parks]

I'm gonna play very old music. I found this when I was digging the other day. And I was just cracking up. This is Don Kove. I was checking out, she was checking in.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

I just got finished giving the.

[Imani]

Hotel manager back the room key.

[Joe Budden]

It's some old shit.

[Imani]

I was outside in the car in the shadows of the parking lot, telling the woman I was with how happy she made me.

[Joe Budden]

Kissing and hugging.

[Imani]

And all of a sudden another car.

[Joe Budden]

Pull up on the parking lot.

[Imani]

But I couldn't believe my eyes. Cause the woman that was sitting in the front seat beside another dude turned out to be my old lady.

[Ish]

Lord, I was checking out and she was checking in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

That's funny. That is funny.

[Ish]

Let me tell you people.

[Joe Budden]

I was checking out. That's funny. And my old lady was checking in. Oh, Lord.

[Ish]

I was with my other woman.

[Parks]

Hate when that happens.

[Ish]

And she. She was with a boyfriend.

[Parks]

I can't believe she would do that.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. The nerve of her. Here we go.

[Ish]

She waited outside, y'all in the car.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy.

[Ish]

While he went in. Yeah, the red in the room. I wanted to say something to her, but there was nothing I could say. Cuz the woman I was with, yes, she was married too. Look, I was checking out and she was checking in.

[Joe Budden]

J again.

[Ish]

Y'All. I saw another man took my old lady. Let me tell you. In the hideaway motor.

[Imani]

I was with my other woman.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Ish]

She was with her boyfriend. She was supposed to be at home, mine and the kids.

[Joe Budden]

She was doing that.

[Ish]

The both of us have been honest. Guess I'll have to go on.

[Joe Budden]

Being blind.

[Ish]

I can't reveal again.

[Parks]

That is Don Kobe. I was checking out, she was checking in. That's always from 1973. Is timeless. I love it. I absolutely love it.

[Mal]

I'm going to Asian and the song is what's up with it.

[Ish]

Asia?

[Joe Budden]

Let me guess you like what you see what your sign you compatible with me I think we are a tasted all my time and a for free and if you bought that action baby come run with me yeah yeah sliding down she bought her own crib say she want me don't know who she with you wanna so you wanna hurt? I'm not doing the games but I'll show you what it's worth A little anxious baby we could just slide panties to the side get a little active baby I act ain't acting baby cuz you was my favorite lady really? I'm the one really? Didn't they come? Won't you come save me baby baby I know you want me too baby don't front what you see what's your sign? You compatible with me I think we all a tear all my time and a for free and if you bout that action baby come roll with me yeah yeah, yeah she flies, you roll a good split smart girl she stay on a ship ain't no drama she say money is a niche she at peace she be sagin and me so you wanna hurt I'm not doing the games but I show you what it's wor panties to the side get a little acting baby I act that ain't acting baby Cuz she was my favorite lady really I'm the one building they come won't you come save me? Maybe baby.

[Parks]

That'S what's up with it By Asian how's it bop I with it? I don't know. You guys gotta like fight for who goes next.

[Ish]

We go in, we go in seniority order. He's next.

[Parks]

Okay, that's patient, so diplomatic of you.

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[Imani]

This record is believe the name is Tabia. Okay, if I'm saying your name wrong, I'm sorry, but it's Tabia. How much I care.

[Joe Budden]

I want you to choose. Yeah, I know you didn't even know I know that you're over I didn't choose to be in love with you it's what you do to me open let me find a way to tell I will find a way to show Just how much I really sh.

[Ish]

That is.

[Imani]

I want to make sure I say her name Tobia to be.

[Parks]

It looks like Tobia to me, but.

[Ish]

I could tell you know her. Nah.

[Imani]

No, no, no. I just bumped into to the record the other day.

[Ish]

To her.

[Imani]

No, bumped into to the record the other day, but sorry if pronouncing your name wrong, but that's how much I care. Fire record.

[Parks]

Yeah. Mark.

[Ish]

Up next, our brother.

[Joe Budden]

Our brother Wiz.

[Ish]

Khalifa just dropped the album last week. The whole album is fire. And I. I chose how we act. Featuring OT Genis.

[Parks]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Hey, it's your oh Ho ho, hoy, Mr. Easy Wild. That's two pounds of that crunch cushion orange juice too so put two fingers in the air Grab two girls with long hair and nice little waist. Khalifa y both hands on the wheel.

[Mal]

She was Taylor gang, she Taylor gang still them niggas boring she hit me, she want to chill, let her play with the switch she know the game sign sealed, I'm on tequila, she on Hennessy love that cushion orange you she never knew how I feel hanging on us they running up the hill for real I feel my cup and clean it up and spill wanna indulge in what I'm puffing I can tell that she troublesome two girls that's double fun show off what you got don't gotta cover up don't look behind to see what's in front of us like this wee there's a couple of them say you gonna get it to to defendate the gang them don't really trip on other you the main one switching the whips I never pull up in the same one she want to cut, I want to cuddle too Legs in the.

[Ish]

Air, dick in the middle that's a.

[Mal]

W ain't trying to you better say.

[Joe Budden]

Something mashed potatoes, rice and beans you.

[Mal]

Ain'T the main one always wait get your cake up I never met a a or a that I can't walk still hitting it from the back that's how he act I'm the one that you hit up to come relax I'm the one getting you Taylor gang tats.

[Ish]

Putting that all on your body rubbing.

[Mal]

Your back I'm rolling up and you rolling the match I get so on my bag you wanna drink but don't know how to ask you love the.

[Joe Budden]

Feeling, you hope that it lasts cause.

[Mal]

At the moment we both feel intense no I'm gon get a chance nobody put you on the game help you program, cram it in, don't want to leave, you want to stay with me so it depends one of the G, you really got one. I just know how to win like what I see you need a rolly to go on your wrist. Me and my team, we make the goal, we don't only attempt. So like this Weaver, get your focus. Little homie and wimp ain't no half of me 100's the only percent she wanna cuddle, I wanna cuddle too. Legs in the air, dick in the.

[Ish]

Middle that's a w ain't trying to. You better say something.

[Mal]

Mashed potatoes, rice and beans you ain't the main ones all I hating get your cake up. I never met a Aiden or a that I can't still hitting it for the B.

[Joe Budden]

That's how we.

[Parks]

That'S Wiz Khalifa and OT Genesis how we act off cushion or juice volume two fire.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Wiz Shout out to Wiz. If you haven't seen our wizard interview is on Patreon right now. Check it out, check it out.

[Mal]

Amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cooling the other side of pillow. Shout out to Wiz. Was that it?

[Parks]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, the last of it. Oh. Oh. Okay. So let me find something here.

[Parks]

Find a little diddy. Find a little Mark Morrison, B side or something.

[Joe Budden]

Y want look for Mark Morrison besides sides.

[Parks]

There we go.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Nice peaceful day.

[Imani]

Static select.

[Joe Budden]

Easy breezy. Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we have enjoyed delivering it to you.

[Mal]

Detonation. I want it all. Reparation. I do it all with no hesitation.

[Joe Budden]

Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you Ado farewell. Adios, so long. Goodbye. Or a simple head knob will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And lastly, ego. The baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab a Tylenol, you might need it. Baby, be careful what you say out there. Never know who'll be seated at the garden right in front of you. Yeah. Or recording you. You never know. Got to be careful at all times. Head over on a swivel in New York, man. Stay safe. Safety first. Do what you got to do to get home home tonight. Make it back to your family, your children and love you. Hey, remember your kids. See you as Captain America, man. You're a superhero to them outside. See Captain Kangaroo, Captain Crunch, Captain Crunch. I Mean, some of us. Some of us stayed alive through the World Star era.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Was playing knockout and screaming World Star in the background.

[Ish]

Oh, it was a nasty time.

[Joe Budden]

Be careful, man.

[Parks]

If they're gonna tell the world how much money you make, make sure your horny is contained to a nominal level.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that black men should be running around saying, Yo, 100 M's next month.

[Parks]

I'm not sure that anybody should, but. Yeah, especially maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No one should. Especially if you black. Joe Rogan, man, he got. Just saying it was. That's what did it Spotify. There was nobody else Spotify did this. These companies have shown. Just ruined us. And I took them public, man. I didn't know that was their intention, man. I would have did something different. Yeah, it hates me. I don't give a why say that.

[Imani]

Look what you created.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

Look what you created.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Shout out to Ice Flip.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, we miss y'all. We love y'all. Work was a lot harder without y'all today, but we managed to get through it.

[Parks]

Indeed.

[Joe Budden]

They with us in spirit. Shout out to Freeze. This is a happy anniversary to Freeze and Miss Freeze. Shout out to our good sister Mel. Shout out to Flip, who's a little under the weather.

[Parks]

Get well, get well.

[Joe Budden]

Get well. Get better, man. We need you. We need you on Friday. Hey, when you sick? On a week Wednesday. I would just tough it out and use that day for the Friday. Get a little. Get a little extended trip.

[Parks]

Not wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to my dad going to Puerto Rico next weekend with his lady for a little fun time. Hey, salute. I ain't going to lie. I need. I need one of them weekends. I need a quick weekend in Turks or Dr. Or somewhere.

[Parks]

Y'all take my little Nashville. That's good for me. Then we're doing four Puerto Rico later in the summer, so Puerto Rico for.

[Imani]

Me is in August.

[Parks]

See what we get, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. Where you standing at out there?

[Mal]

I'm supposed to go to Tennessee in May.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you. Oh, you. You still in that phase of your life?

[Imani]

What are you talking.

[Joe Budden]

You still in that phase of your life.

[Imani]

I hate the assumptions.

[Joe Budden]

She gonna tape you. Somebody gonna tape you. Yo. And again, whoever has the footage of my last fight, please release it. Please put it out so we could dispel some of this stuff.

[Ish]

Man, it is tough.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, I ain't got nothing going on this week, man. Not that I can think of. Anyway. Sinners tomorrow. Oh, I did see the first episode of Black Mirror finally. Boy, that was great.

[Parks]

Yeah. First episode Was great.

[Ish]

Amazing.

[Parks]

The first two were good.

[Joe Budden]

What a really great episode. Let me stop the music of Black Mirror. That was a great first. First episode.

[Parks]

It was. Because it's real. It is.

[Joe Budden]

You could see it 100 dog. Not to spoil it for anybody out there, but I'm gonna spoil it. If my robot wife is now doing.

[Parks]

Ads, I'm unplugging her.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't get the ad free version of your wife is nuts. Mark, have you seen the first episode of Black?

[Ish]

I haven't seen it yet.

[Mal]

The way Mel said it. You. They didn't.

[Parks]

They just popped it up over.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. You didn't know there was an ad free version.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't. But every month there was a new plus living plus that you could get. And you've got to charge you more now. And if you get pregnant, we got to charge you more now. And at the end, you know, I don't want to spoil it.

[Ish]

I'm watching.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to spoil it. But really good way to bounce back. Black Marriage. Just off that first. First episode. That's better than that last doppelganger, whatever the name of that was y'all put out. Oh, yeah, I forgot the name of it.

[Imani]

Episode two was good, too. Besides, the end was a little weird. Little stupid ending, but yeah.

[Parks]

And the other three weren't bad. They just weren't as good to me.

[Mal]

As the first two.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, stay tuned on Patreon. We will be discussing how Jason Statham makes the same exact movie. But I'm gonna go and give him my money. Every single, single time I'm going to see this working man.

[Parks]

You gotta watch Last of. Last of Us.

[Imani]

Oh, my. The last episode.

[Mal]

All the episodes came out.

[Imani]

No, no, no.

[Parks]

Only two episodes.

[Imani]

Only two episodes.

[Mal]

I seen one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Last of Us started in an amazing way.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Episode one two.

[Imani]

Episode two.

[Mal]

I'm saying one was. I ain't see two yet.

[Parks]

One was warm up.

[Imani]

One was warming it up to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All right. So last of us. I still need to see Godfather. Harlem.

[Parks]

I finished Yellowstone. That show is absolutely phenomenal. Front to back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I can't wait to start Yellowstone.

[Parks]

I see why he gets the green light for all that.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Mal]

And he beefing.

[Parks]

Oh, he is.

[Mal]

They beef him.

[Joe Budden]

Until next time.

[Ish]

You've.

[Joe Budden]

You've never heard of Joe Bun? Jbp. Jbp. Why would you be without the jbp? I'm alive.