Episode 826 | "To The Voting Members" - The Joe Budden Podcast

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Detailed Summary of The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 826 | "To The Voting Members"

Podcast Information:

Title: The Joe Budden Podcast
Host/Author: The Joe Budden Network
Episode: Episode 826 | "To The Voting Members"
Release Date: May 17, 2025

1. Introduction and Award Show Preparations ([00:00] - [03:37])

The episode begins with the hosts, Joe Budden, Ice, Melissa Ford, and Ray Daniels, sharing a revamped podcast introduction inspired by award ceremonies like the Golden Globes. They humorously discuss acceptance speeches and the anticipation of potentially winning awards, setting a light-hearted tone for the episode.

Notable Quotes:

Joe Budden ([00:40]): "That's the new pod intro. Since pods can get Golden Globes now."
Melissa Ford ([01:20]): "My acceptance speech."
Flip ([02:32]): "Shout out to Nyla Blackman at the Golden Globe stage."

2. Rap Beef and Freestyle Discussions ([15:12] - [57:08])

The conversation shifts to the realm of hip-hop, focusing on recent rap beefs and freestyle performances. The hosts critique Big Sean's Red Bull freestyle, expressing admiration for his skill but frustration over his tendency to be overshadowed by subsequent events.

Notable Quotes:

Ray Daniels ([15:51]): "He doesn't ask for it. That's, I think, the problem."
Joe Budden ([16:31]): "He always has his moment stolen from him."
Melissa Ford ([16:35]): "Me too."

The discussion then moves to Joey Badass's performance, highlighting the chemistry and authenticity in his verses. The hosts analyze the structure and execution of the freestyle, debating the order of verses and their impact on the overall delivery.

Notable Quotes:

Ice ([19:44]): "And I loved. It's very difficult when you're creating this type of content to, like, have real, like, kind of organic chemistry and camaraderie between the MCs."
Joe Budden ([19:47]): "That's where my problem lies."

3. Sean Combs vs. Cassie Ventura Trial ([57:08] - [159:58])

A significant portion of the episode delves into the high-profile trial of Sean Combs (Diddy) and Cassie Ventura. The hosts discuss the allegations of abuse and sex trafficking against Combs, Cassie's role, and the implications of media portrayal.

a. Overview of the Case:

The trial centers around allegations that Diddy abused Cassie Ventura and engaged in sex trafficking. Cassie's testimony and Diddy's defense strategies are scrutinized, with discussions on the validity and impact of her claims.

Notable Quotes:

Mark Lamont Hill ([71:08]): "She's been delivering her testimony with very... very matter of fact manner."
Melissa Ford ([76:14]): "He was extremely gentle with Cassie."

b. Perspectives and Defamation Concerns:

The hosts debate the narrative presented in the media versus Cassie's actual testimony. They explore the complexities of Stockholm Syndrome and whether Cassie's actions indicate coercion or complicity.

Notable Quotes:

Joe Budden ([75:23]): "It's a lot of rumors. I don't know. I just pray that Tory is okay."
Parks ([84:55]): "Let me ask a flip's question first."

c. Stockholm Syndrome Debate:

A heated discussion ensues about whether Cassie's behavior aligns with Stockholm Syndrome or if her actions were driven by personal motives and ambition. The hosts weigh the psychological aspects against the presented evidence.

Notable Quotes:

Ray Daniels ([124:16]): "We just talking about this. It feels like absenteeism...."
Parks ([175:04]): "Stockholm is an answer to the question of why she does it."

d. Comparisons to Other Cases:

The conversation draws parallels between the Combs trial and other high-profile cases like O.J. Simpson and Harvey Weinstein, analyzing patterns in legal defenses and media strategies.

Notable Quotes:

Melissa Ford ([80:43]): "We tend to... begin from a presumption of honesty and innocence from the person making the claim."
Joe Budden ([99:09]): "He didn't."

4. Broader Social Issues and Media Influence ([160:00] - [211:07])

Beyond the immediate topics, the hosts engage in discussions about societal perceptions, defamation, and the role of media in shaping public opinion. They touch upon instances of false accusations, the challenges faced by black men in the entertainment industry, and the importance of due process.

Notable Quotes:

Parks ([164:57]): "I think that's a great theory."
Joe Budden ([171:19]): "The attorneys come in and say, what are you trying to get done?"

5. Shoutouts, Upcoming Events, and Closing Remarks ([212:00] - [221:07])

In the final segments, the hosts give shoutouts to various artists and discuss upcoming events, including sports and personal celebrations. They maintain a lively and engaging atmosphere, wrapping up the episode with enthusiasm and camaraderie.

Notable Quotes:

Parks ([217:07]): "Shout out to our good brother Ray."
Joe Budden ([220:16]): "Shout out to Ace Bailey."

Music Segments: The episode features several music plays, including tracks from Two Chains, Don Tripping, Benny the Butcher, and others, highlighting collaborations and new releases.

Notable Quotes:

Joe Budden ([195:28]): "That is from the short film Red Clay."
Melissa Ford ([197:53]): "This is Don Tripping and Starlito. This one is called Mitchell and Ness off of Step brothers for life."

Conclusion

Episode 826 of The Joe Budden Podcast offers an extensive exploration of current events in the music industry, alongside a deep dive into a controversial legal battle involving major public figures. The hosts balance humor with serious discussion, providing listeners with a multifaceted perspective on both entertainment and societal issues.

Final Shoutouts:

Joe Budden: "Shout out to Ace Bailey."
Ice: "Shout out to Benny the Butcher and Styles P off the Excelsior Project."
Melissa Ford: "Shout out to Two Chains and the Isley Brothers."
Ray Daniels: "Shout out to Malcolm X Park celebrations and support."

Upcoming Events Mentioned:

Joe Budden: Attending a concert and celebrating a child's birthday.
Parks: Event at Malcolm X Park for the 100th birthday celebration.
Melissa Ford: Supporting Two Chains at performances.
Ray Daniels: Participating in clean-up and supporting fellow artists.

Note: This summary aims to present the content accurately and neutrally, based on the provided transcript. All quotes are attributed to their respective speakers with corresponding timestamps for reference.

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[00:00]
Joe Budden
The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Yes, sir. Last looks. Yeah, I mean, get your last mic checks in. We are greeting America now, huh?
[00:37]
Ice
Hello, America.
[00:38]
Melissa Ford
The world don't just stop there.
[00:40]
Ice
That's true.
[00:40]
Joe Budden
That's the new. That's the new pod intro. Since pods can get Golden Globes now. Good morning, world. There we go.
[00:49]
Ice
And universe.
[00:50]
Joe Budden
And universe. I am Joseph A. Budden. Here. Here with Melissa, Savannah Ford, Ray Daniels.
[00:56]
Ray Daniels
What's good?
[00:57]
Joe Budden
What's your real name again? Duke TREV. Trevor Robinson Jr. Jr. Trevor Robinson Jr. Freeze. Lamont Jackson. Mr. Parks Richardson. And tell me what y' all think that's golden. Golden Globe worthy?
[01:20]
Melissa Ford
My acceptance speech.
[01:21]
Joe Budden
Somebody in the back just got to hit us with a The horns.
[01:25]
Ice
And do you think if we go up there, they're going to put the music on for the speech?
[01:29]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[01:29]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, absolutely.
[01:30]
Ice
Because all eight of us got to get our off.
[01:31]
Joe Budden
Well, now, I meant to tell you all about that.
[01:36]
Ice
Oh, it's like the.
[01:37]
Joe Budden
Did y' all see the award?
[01:38]
Ice
The Billboard again?
[01:39]
Joe Budden
Did y' all. Did y' all. Yes. Did y' all see that award ceremony when the Jackson 5 won and Mike was being cool, letting everybody get their off, but then he had to kick Tito or Reggie, whoever that was, to decide, like, all right, enough, Enough. Now somebody will have to sacrifice a speech.
[01:59]
Ice
I'll be quick.
[01:59]
Melissa Ford
Or sometimes I'm gonna be real fast with Mom.
[02:01]
Joe Budden
Paul's not the answer we was looking for. But that's two down. They got out the way first. All right, Mel. Flip.
[02:10]
Ice
I feel like Flip don't have to do a speech. He just gotta run around and yell.
[02:13]
Joe Budden
Yeah, take his shirt off.
[02:14]
Ray Daniels
Oh, come on.
[02:15]
Joe Budden
Come on.
[02:15]
Ray Daniels
With no shirt off.
[02:16]
Joe Budden
See, that's racist on the Golden Globe.
[02:18]
Flip
That's the problem with you guys. You guys don't respect growth. If you think I'm going up there yelling or taking my shirt off, niggas a rebrand. I'm standing in front making a speech, and N is going to be happy to hear the speech from me. I'm moving people out the way. I'm for Delft.
[02:33]
Joe Budden
I think you got to do the.
[02:33]
Ice
ODB shit and run up there.
[02:35]
Flip
And now. I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more.
[02:38]
Joe Budden
Well, and Nyla's music in front of that stage. Yo, come on. Shout out to Nyla, man, stop playing.
[02:46]
Flip
Shout out to Nyla Blackman. Watch your mouth.
[02:47]
Joe Budden
Nyla Blackman at the Golden Globe stage. Big Fly. Y' all thought this sleeper bag was coming in. What y' all think that Golden Globe bag is in for? Y' all think it should take a long time? Mark. It's Mark. It's Mark. Mark.
[03:05]
Ice
This one, too.
[03:06]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm gonna. I'm gonna keep it short and sweet.
[03:08]
Ice
What would you say, I think is just go up there and be like, my man.
[03:13]
Joe Budden
I think my man, no God has a great sense of humor. So that will be the moment that Ish projects. His voice is loud as.
[03:24]
Flip
Shout out to Ish.
[03:25]
Joe Budden
Yeah, shout out to our brother Ish, here with us in spirit, man. It's May. So y' all know what time it is. If you're a long time listener, don't start that shit. If you're a long time listener, it's May. You already know what time it is. I don't have to say nothing.
[03:38]
Flip
We not doing that. It had nothing to do with May. People have emergencies and situations that comes up well.
[03:42]
Joe Budden
And you're not here after the main.
[03:45]
Flip
Why you highlighting me?
[03:46]
Joe Budden
And Mel's not here today after the main.
[03:48]
Flip
She's not supposed to be here on the main. She not supposed to be on the main.
[03:54]
Ice
Boy talked her way through. I like it.
[03:56]
Joe Budden
I like it.
[03:57]
Ice
Now I'm showing up.
[03:58]
Mark Lamont Hill
I thought you were turning her new leaf.
[03:59]
Ray Daniels
You think she swear? I was just thinking that.
[04:01]
Flip
You think she'll call me and text me like, yo, Flip good looking? She not.
[04:03]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah, but you know, I said it in person.
[04:05]
Flip
I know. I want a text.
[04:07]
Ray Daniels
Okay.
[04:07]
Mark Lamont Hill
All right.
[04:07]
Flip
I want to document it.
[04:08]
Mark Lamont Hill
You got a text.
[04:09]
Ray Daniels
You want to screenshot it and put it on the Internet?
[04:10]
Flip
Listen, no, no, no, no, no. I don't do that. Not with her.
[04:13]
Joe Budden
Well, listen, Flip and Mel and Ish have prior engagements that supersede the importance of this broadcast.
[04:21]
Flip
Why you gotta say it like that?
[04:22]
Joe Budden
And because I'm so happy for them and proud of them. Please. Fly, Robin, fly. In the great words of troop, spread your wings. Fly away.
[04:37]
Flip
Okay, thank you. I accept that. Thanks.
[04:40]
Joe Budden
You know what I mean? Tahlil and all that. Anyway, shout out to Ty. Lil, we got Ray Daniels in the building. Make some noise for Ray Daniels.
[04:50]
Ray Daniels
Y. I just want to shout out Joe for being always solid. Some Virgo shit. I just gotta say that it's important.
[04:55]
Joe Budden
To say my Virgo brother here, man. Ain't nothing going on, Flip. Everything is cool.
[05:00]
Flip
No, you just. No, you showed me your sleeve and said, I always keep one in the tuck.
[05:04]
Parks
You whispered that to me.
[05:06]
Joe Budden
Don't do that.
[05:07]
Flip
Why did you do that? You keep antagonizing me, and then when.
[05:10]
Ray Daniels
I react, you act like you don't.
[05:11]
Flip
Know what's going on. You and Po, When y' all recording behind the scenes. I saw that last behind the scenes shit. I'll talk to you about that later.
[05:16]
Joe Budden
No, I'll talk to him about it. Cause some of that shit shouldn't have went out. Like, God damn. I'm telling you. Can I have a team meeting in peace? Then they kicked my back in. Yeah.
[05:25]
Parks
Yes.
[05:26]
Flip
In reverse.
[05:27]
Joe Budden
I know, I know.
[05:28]
Flip
Anyway. But you went like this to me.
[05:30]
Joe Budden
But why? I always keep wanting this, but tell the audience why.
[05:34]
Flip
I asked you.
[05:35]
Joe Budden
You said, what's Ray doing here?
[05:36]
Flip
Yeah, what's Ray doing here? Who's coming? No, first I asked you, who's coming? Like, is it just us? You said, now, Ray, Daniel coming. I said, oh, you pulling a move for the main joint or you pulling the move? Then you let that sit.
[05:48]
Ray Daniels
It was silent.
[05:49]
Flip
Then I'm just looking around. I turn. I happen to turn to the left. You said, I always keep watching.
[05:55]
Joe Budden
But what you think is the move?
[05:56]
Flip
You just try to show. I know what you're trying to do.
[05:58]
Joe Budden
But what do you think is the move?
[06:02]
Flip
I don't want to divulge. I just think you pulling the move, and I respect it. But you know.
[06:07]
Joe Budden
Cause Ray is Big dog. We got big dogs. Big dog.
[06:09]
Ray Daniels
We got big dogs in the building. I swear, I genuinely hit. Joe was like, yo, I'm in town. I would love to shoot. He was like, come through Friday. I stand in my flight. It was just simple as that.
[06:17]
Joe Budden
Ray, there's this thing out there going on where anything.
[06:21]
Flip
Hold up, wait.
[06:21]
Joe Budden
What's up? Wait, hold up, hold up, hold up. Any. There's this thing going on where anything when it comes to Joe has to be seen through the most evil perception that you could possibly.
[06:30]
Parks
So why did you.
[06:31]
Melissa Ford
Why you think that is?
[06:31]
Flip
But why did you do this?
[06:32]
Parks
What is this?
[06:33]
Joe Budden
I don't know why that is.
[06:34]
Ray Daniels
Okay. What does this mean right here?
[06:35]
Flip
Will you do that to your man?
[06:36]
Joe Budden
This right here?
[06:36]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[06:39]
Mark Lamont Hill
Come up with something.
[06:40]
Joe Budden
This lets you know this means, huh? My sister turning on me.
[06:44]
Mark Lamont Hill
I just. I can't wait to see how this thing is. I cannot wait to see how quick the wheels turn. Come on.
[06:50]
Parks
Go, go.
[06:51]
Joe Budden
This means no, no. I Didn't need time. This means that I've been gotten in three car money before in 42nd Street. This is how they do it. Okay. One in the top.
[07:02]
Ray Daniels
Yeah. I just want to say something. It's weird because as Joe was talking, he was encouraging y' all to get something. I swear, I was just thinking to myself, y' all lucky y' all don't work for a hater. Y' all lucky I don't work for somebody that don't want. You can work for somebody that don't want to highlight what you're doing on the side. But he's starting to show to me what you doing, and so you lucky you don't work for a hater. So it's just how you see it. That's how I see it.
[07:22]
Ice
Oh, shit. Yo, he got reinforcements today. We're going to still make jokes.
[07:30]
Ray Daniels
I'm with Ice, you know, my family. But I'm like, at time when I hear it, I'm like. I got to be honest, like. Like I'm hearing. I'm like, yo, that's fire. Like, I'm in y' all house, and I see the boss basically telling his people, like, yo, that's good. Go. What you need from me? I'm like, y' all don't work for me.
[07:43]
Ice
I completely agree, but we're still gonna make jokes.
[07:44]
Ray Daniels
Okay, cool.
[07:45]
Joe Budden
Let's go.
[07:45]
Ray Daniels
Let's make jokes. I just don't want Queen Flip thinking anything. That's my brother right here. I've been a fan of his for so long. He don't understand. So I just want to know. That's why I'm here.
[07:52]
Joe Budden
There you go. Do it. That's how Mark got these, too. Encourage them first.
[07:57]
Ray Daniels
Get the guard down. Right? Disarm them.
[08:00]
Joe Budden
Right. Hey, Mark, the blueprint. How you get these?
[08:05]
Ice
Y a good move, but look out.
[08:07]
Joe Budden
His double, double. Welcome to our glowing globe. Audience out there just now tuning in up. The voting members, the voting members only.
[08:34]
Ray Daniels
And I don't gotta pull a trigger. I just blow Love Jada. That hate rapping. They get they weight back about to go to K Sack. Cause I made believe it's my voice, my flow to help your bagged ass.
[08:47]
Joe Budden
Get in the league.
[08:48]
Ray Daniels
Now I gotta suck dick to sell. 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2. I'm the cat that'll sit in the tree and shoot the dog in the head.
[08:58]
Joe Budden
What's going on? Big jersey. Big jersey. Always for the ladies.
[09:22]
Ray Daniels
All wait for the ladies.
[09:46]
Joe Budden
Everybody in their vehicle right now. You listening to the best in the world. You're welcome. Shout out to anybody I love. More importantly, shout out to the. I hate y' all. Fuel me, y' all. Give me the energy I need to keep going out there. F. What's good, Brooklyn, what's good? All the entrepreneurs, all the nine to five is out there.
[10:20]
Ray Daniels
All the executives out there.
[10:28]
Joe Budden
All the teachers on the poster, workers, everybody about.
[10:32]
Parks
To get out of school.
[10:33]
Joe Budden
We let the kids up here. Got a great show lined up for y' all today. I promise.
[10:46]
Parks
I do.
[10:47]
Ray Daniels
I let you tell it, but what but the story always changes. Y' all wanna live my lifestyle. Can't tell it. I should get it plain or ice.
[11:31]
Joe Budden
Keep the applause going for the best crew in the world they talk about. I mean, this is a family show. This is a family show. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[11:42]
Ice
Family trying to hit you. Look at that. Look at that.
[11:48]
Joe Budden
I'm at work. I'm at work. Are you at work? I love you, but I'm at work. I gotta. I gotta change the world with the power of my voice. I gotta hit you at another time. I love you. My man. My man. Inshallah. Let's go. Big mail in the building. Got you wiped down. These drops out the way real quick, man. We have a real good time today. A really, really, really good time. I promise. Excuse. Excuse me, sir. I'm sorry.
[12:32]
Ray Daniels
I have to wake you.
[12:33]
Ice
You a Dr. Mark Simon?
[12:35]
Melissa Ford
Who is that?
[12:37]
Joe Budden
It's Mark.
[12:37]
Parks
Lamar Hill.
[12:38]
Flip
Pussy.
[12:42]
Joe Budden
Flip and Mel and Ray. Ray. Ray. Ray, Ray. All right, microphone check. One, two, one, two. What episode is this?
[12:50]
Ice
826.
[12:51]
Joe Budden
Welcome to Want Us to Be Pat McAfee so Bad. Them on Pat McAfee Be Bugging. They started. We're going to lock down time, like in unison.
[13:06]
Ice
Their little unison should be fire.
[13:08]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Wow.
[13:08]
Parks
What episode 826.
[13:10]
Joe Budden
Welcome to episode 826 of the Joe Button Podcast, brought to you by a few by power, by prize picks, Prize pitch gang. Salute. Salute. Salute. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious. So happy to be here. Host. God is so good. My God. Oh, my Lord. My Lord. Oh, my. All praise. All praise due. First and foremost, we will discuss a lot of dark news today. I want to start with a quick sage of the room, a prayer for those inside and outside of these podcast communities. Indeed. Everybody out there in the real world struggling with things I wish great. Mental health, physical health, physical strength amongst all of you. Please, please spread that.
[13:50]
Ray Daniels
Amen.
[13:52]
Joe Budden
Text someone you love. I don't wish success for you all. I think I'm on the record with that. But, yeah, for most Of y' all keep rocking the good.
[14:03]
Ice
The good folks.
[14:04]
Joe Budden
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here was some amazing people to my right. Hey, stop playing with her. Melissa Ford in the building. Hey, the Melissa Ford. The. Talk to him.
[14:18]
Mark Lamont Hill
Capital T, capital H, capital E. All right, man.
[14:20]
Joe Budden
Every time you try to get. All right. All right, girl.
[14:26]
Ice
We got some of the Pat McAfee vibe a little bit.
[14:29]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[14:29]
Ice
I don't know what the.
[14:30]
Joe Budden
That next to her. Like I said, very special guest. My Virgo brother Ray Daniels is in the building.
[14:36]
Ray Daniels
Thanks for having me, Joe. And what's up, Flip? Thanks for having me, Joe.
[14:40]
Joe Budden
Queens, Flip. Queens get the money. Qu is in the building. Big freeze. Mr. Take it further himself is here. Parker's here. Po is here. Corey is here. Ray Daniel's whole squad is over there. Like, he get a. Like he get a plus seven, but what up to all y' all? It's three.
[14:55]
Ray Daniels
It's three, but we good.
[14:56]
Joe Budden
Erickson is there. Ian and Keeb, I think is here. And whoever else is here, I don't know. And they're an intruder. How's everybody feeling? How you doing? How's your spirit? Talk to me. Talk to me. What's poppin, though?
[15:08]
Mark Lamont Hill
Everything's great.
[15:09]
Joe Budden
Feeling good. Good. Feeling good.
[15:10]
Ray Daniels
It's amazing. It's a blessing.
[15:12]
Melissa Ford
Yeah.
[15:12]
Joe Budden
It's been a horrible week to be a black man in entertainment.
[15:15]
Ray Daniels
Talk about it.
[15:16]
Flip
Yes, sir.
[15:16]
Joe Budden
And I'm not opening with that because I'm on positive vibes.
[15:20]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[15:20]
Joe Budden
It's a lot going on. I'm on positive vibes. I'm on peace. All that good shit. And it's rap beef. Yeah.
[15:28]
Ice
My favorite shit.
[15:29]
Joe Budden
And it's rap beef. Love it.
[15:30]
Melissa Ford
Love it.
[15:31]
Joe Budden
I'm excited. So let's get into it. Let's see. Because last time we were recording, they did Joe, Joey, Badass, Absol. And Big Sean did the Red Bull freestyle, which I clicked on it real quick and heard Big Sean getting his normal Big Sean shit off.
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Ice
He killed that shit.
[15:51]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[15:51]
Ice
I feel bad for Big Sean because I feel like every time one of these things happen, it's over. He gets over. Yeah. Overshadowed every time. Yeah.
[15:57]
Ray Daniels
He doesn't ask for it. That's, I think, the problem. He's really dope, but he just doesn't ask for it. He's just doping and goes away.
[16:03]
Ice
Yeah, true.
[16:04]
Ray Daniels
Part of it is being dope and saying you ain't say how dope. I was like, he don't have that.
[16:07]
Ice
Yeah, you're right.
[16:08]
Joe Budden
You're right.
[16:08]
Ray Daniels
But he's incredible as a rapper.
[16:10]
Ice
But between this and control. I feel like. Like his verse on Control was fire, and no one ever is gonna talk about that.
[16:15]
Joe Budden
He always has his moment stolen from him. Yeah. Like, right as he's about to just roll out some or introduce something or just remind us of why we love Big Sean so much, here come the biggest moment in rap of the year to follow it, right?
[16:32]
Ice
Yeah, but everyone bodied. I like Absol's verse.
[16:35]
Melissa Ford
Me too.
[16:36]
Joe Budden
So now when I got to hearing the rest of this, I'm gonna play it. Should I play the whole thing?
[16:42]
Ice
Maybe not the whole thing, but we can.
[16:43]
Joe Budden
Yeah, but who should I skip? Don't make them call me.
[16:46]
Ice
We can just ride the fader pause.
[16:48]
Joe Budden
All right.
[16:48]
Ice
We ain't got. It's like six minutes long, I think, or something.
[16:51]
Joe Budden
It is kind of long. Yo, but we on music shit today. Even if that isolates Melon flip.
[16:57]
Ray Daniels
It's okay.
[16:58]
Mark Lamont Hill
We'll. We'll do our best to contribute.
[16:59]
Joe Budden
Catch up with us.
[17:00]
Ray Daniels
Don't speak.
[17:00]
Flip
Don't speak for me.
[17:01]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay. I'll do my best to contribute. I don't know what the.
[17:03]
Joe Budden
Big man, you more hip hop, Yo.
[17:08]
Mark Lamont Hill
I tried to include you, but, you know.
[17:11]
Joe Budden
And you are a lot more hip hop than him.
[17:12]
Ice
Oh.
[17:13]
Mark Lamont Hill
Oh, you are just by default. Just literally.
[17:16]
Flip
No, you are.
[17:16]
Joe Budden
You've never been in no videos.
[17:17]
Mark Lamont Hill
I did see a video of you rapping the other day, though.
[17:20]
Joe Budden
No, that was a T Mobile commercial.
[17:22]
Ice
No, no, he was. He was on the. He was on the show rapping.
[17:25]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[17:25]
Ice
You were in your bag.
[17:27]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[17:28]
Ice
You're doing a lot of this.
[17:28]
Joe Budden
Oh, y' all clicked on that.
[17:29]
Ice
Yeah, I clicked on that.
[17:30]
Mark Lamont Hill
I did.
[17:31]
Parks
Yeah.
[17:31]
Flip
They're not mad.
[17:32]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[17:32]
Flip
You talking about when I rap against Shorty?
[17:34]
Joe Budden
I don't remember who. You.
[17:34]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah, yeah, I just saw you.
[17:36]
Flip
They're not.
[17:36]
Joe Budden
They're not mad.
[17:37]
Ice
You're good, man.
[17:37]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah, you did real good.
[17:38]
Ice
Who wrote that for you?
[17:39]
Flip
Myself. What you gotta say? Positivity, highlighter?
[17:43]
Joe Budden
Nothing at all, man. Yeah, nothing at all. That's Super Fire.
[17:45]
Parks
Thank you very much.
[17:46]
Mark Lamont Hill
You can actually find it, so we can.
[17:47]
Flip
No, no, we good. We good.
[17:48]
Joe Budden
We gonna talk about this. Joey Badass. Hey, big mouth.
[17:51]
Flip
She said you want more.
[17:52]
Joe Budden
We gonna get into this. Joey Badass.
[17:54]
Ice
We'll do that in a bonus episode.
[17:55]
Joe Budden
Yeah, we'll do a bonus to be me and you and Math. Was it. What was it? Potter House.
[18:01]
Ice
Shout out to Math, man. I'm ready to math.
[18:04]
Joe Budden
Hey, we gonna do that on a new Potter House episode.
[18:07]
Flip
Of course, you shoot at.
[18:08]
Ray Daniels
At your.
[18:09]
Flip
Instead of the. That's shooting at you, of course. Put your gun away. I'm here unarmed. I'm here unarmed, homie.
[18:16]
Joe Budden
That was a good flip. Get him. Get him.
[18:18]
Ice
Flip.
[18:18]
Joe Budden
Big flip. Look. That was good.
[18:20]
Ray Daniels
He gave me the right hand now. You gave me the right hand now.
[18:23]
Joe Budden
Oh, my man Shine.
[18:24]
Flip
Down, man.
[18:25]
Ice
Red Boy, I do want to shout out the production team on this.
[18:29]
Flip
Who is it?
[18:29]
Ice
P.S. i don't. I don't know who did the beat. The beat's dope, too, but I'm talking about, like, the. The content was fire. I think Lyric did it.
[18:35]
Joe Budden
Oh, our girl Lyric.
[18:37]
Ice
I'm not positive about that.
[18:38]
Joe Budden
So who, if she lived in New York, would definitely be the producer of this show. Damn.
[18:43]
Melissa Ford
That's how you feel.
[18:44]
Ray Daniels
You see most crack under pressure, but I'm a natural. The thing about living by the gun is you shouldn't have to initially.
[18:50]
Joe Budden
Let's go, John, Talk to him.
[18:51]
Ray Daniels
Peace. I hope you have, too. A lot of y' all my seeds, I see. Janae said it had you a lot of y' all confused.
[18:56]
Ice
Oh, yeah, she did do it.
[19:00]
Ray Daniels
Plus, they going to try to discredit.
[19:02]
Flip
You when you black.
[19:03]
Ray Daniels
The drop jams went diamond, but my favorite is Angie Stone. My drive back that on cruise control like Katie Holmes Been flipping out in his pissing with camera phones. Know you great when you uncomfortable in your comfort zone.
[19:15]
Joe Budden
Oh, my God, I love it. He bodied that.
[19:17]
Melissa Ford
I love it.
[19:18]
Joe Budden
Sean went off.
[19:19]
Ice
He did.
[19:19]
Melissa Ford
And that's how you set a cipher off.
[19:21]
Ice
And I loved. It's very difficult when you're creating this type of content to, like, have real, like, kind of organic chemistry and camaraderie between the MCs.
[19:29]
Joe Budden
True.
[19:30]
Ice
And they did it really, really well, where they're talking shit back and forth. They're doing, like, passing the hat back. It didn't feel corny or like they did it 600 times, and you know what I mean? Like, together. It felt real. It felt weird.
[19:44]
Joe Budden
Well, that's where my problem lies.
[19:48]
Ice
Open it up.
[19:49]
Joe Budden
Pause that right there. That was amazing. What almost seemed to be choreo if you didn't know no better, right? Yeah. Like, it almost seemed like he left this space in a verse for him to pop up. And they carried that out throughout the whole time. I want to know if they knew who they was rapping with ahead of time.
[20:08]
Melissa Ford
I'm sure they did. It's certain flips in the verses.
[20:12]
Ice
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually did this in the studio and then did it load it together. Well, I don't want to talk about.
[20:20]
Joe Budden
Why would AB do that?
[20:21]
Ice
Because he's an mc. This was.
[20:22]
Joe Budden
Nah.
[20:23]
Melissa Ford
Why would he do it?
[20:24]
Joe Budden
Oh, hell no.
[20:25]
Ice
This is some fun, yo.
[20:28]
Ray Daniels
What?
[20:29]
Joe Budden
No way. Well, he even explained y' all doing that again.
[20:32]
Melissa Ford
He explains in his verse, though. He say it in his verse. Yo, I'm. I rock with you. I got the 47 over here and. But I'm still TDE.
[20:41]
Joe Budden
I think that he freestyled some of that verse.
[20:44]
Melissa Ford
He probably freestyled a lot of that verse. That's how absol gets.
[20:46]
Joe Budden
I think he found out on the spot, man. What y' all talking about? I think he found out on the spot that he was getting dissed. I don't think he knew beforehand that the. That been lining us up for the last however many months.
[21:00]
Melissa Ford
But Joey rapped after him.
[21:02]
Joe Budden
Huh?
[21:03]
Melissa Ford
So he rapped after him, so I don't know I'm getting dissed. I don't know his verse.
[21:07]
Joe Budden
And What I saw, A.B. came after him.
[21:09]
Ice
No, no, A.B. was the middle.
[21:10]
Joe Budden
A.B.
[21:11]
Melissa Ford
Was the second verse.
[21:12]
Joe Budden
So when does he start saying, joey, you put me in quite a predicament.
[21:17]
Melissa Ford
He's talking about. He's responding to Joey dissing the west coast back in January when he did the Ruler's Back.
[21:23]
Joe Budden
I know, but when was it in his verse? In his second verse.
[21:26]
Melissa Ford
It's only.
[21:27]
Joe Budden
It's one. And he let that diss him at the end. Hell, no, man.
[21:31]
Ice
It was some playful dissing.
[21:33]
Melissa Ford
It's playful and it's like, I'm cool with you. It ain't no smoke here.
[21:36]
Joe Budden
Hell, no. Are you craz? This is smoke.
[21:39]
Melissa Ford
It's not smoke. We're rapping. That's what they all. That's the point of this is. Yo, you could just do this without all that extra shit that we just saw last year. You can just do this, and we can just pin and go back and forth with each other and it's cool. And dap each other up at the end and everybody go home.
[21:55]
Joe Budden
Yes, But I don't think that's as friendly as y' all make it out to be. Yes, I agree with y' all. I don't think that it's on get the guns time. I think the rappers are rapping, which I'm applauding. Yeah, right. We want to encourage that.
[22:07]
Ice
Absolutely.
[22:08]
Melissa Ford
Yeah.
[22:08]
Joe Budden
I also think it can get tense in a room or amongst clicks when the rappers are rapping. And I'm the perfect person to probably say that.
[22:16]
Ray Daniels
I was just about to say that. Like, I don't rap, so it's hard for Me to see in the inside. He thinks like a rapper also. So I'm like, I don't even think about that.
[22:22]
Joe Budden
There is that thing where if you know somebody has been dissing you for the better part of six to eight months. And now we're at. What would the event be today? Rolling loud or back in the day, it was paid dues. Rock the bells, Rock the bell.
[22:38]
Ice
You ain't got number in your phone.
[22:40]
Joe Budden
Yeah, well, unless you change it. I know these be changing numbers.
[22:44]
Ice
Yeah.
[22:44]
Joe Budden
Oh, you want to call, get to.
[22:46]
Ice
The bottom of it. We ain't got a guess.
[22:51]
Melissa Ford
They whole point was, yo, we. We just rapping.
[22:54]
Ice
That's how it felt.
[22:54]
Joe Budden
That was the entire point.
[22:56]
Melissa Ford
It's almost like they reiterating that throughout the whole, yo, we just rapping.
[22:59]
Ray Daniels
But you got to understand, it's. It's. It's okay. So it's the same concept. You could say we just potting, but there can be a result from that potting.
[23:06]
Melissa Ford
But if. I know so.
[23:07]
Ray Daniels
If so. What I'm saying to you, Ice, is that if they just feel like they rapping, and I'm looking at it like you. So then when Joe goes from the rap perspective, I'm like, oh, but from the inside, you probably looking like, I still ain't gonna let this eat me alive today, so I'm gonna rap.
[23:18]
Melissa Ford
I'm gonna rap to eat him alive on the verse.
[23:20]
Ray Daniels
That's what he said. So. So there is a sense that we gonna eat each other. It might not be. We gonna kill each other.
[23:25]
Joe Budden
We don't want to. Okay, easy.
[23:26]
Ray Daniels
I'm not from. I'm not from New York, so I don't do pugs.
[23:28]
Flip
I'm sorry.
[23:29]
Ray Daniels
Thanks for ca, bro. Thanks for catching me. How long does the pa. Oh, you did. How long does the Paul start? Start.
[23:34]
Ice
No, you're good.
[23:34]
Ray Daniels
Keep it.
[23:35]
Ice
Keep it going.
[23:36]
Ray Daniels
I'm from Atlanta. I'm just running the rules.
[23:37]
Joe Budden
You feel me?
[23:38]
Ray Daniels
But. Yeah, but that's what I was saying. So when I heard you, I'm like, damn, that is true. Like, if you. You want to eat a alive, I don't want to hurt you, but I want to make sure they know I'm the best. When this is over with, I want y' all. When they get on Joe Button pod and they start talking about who had the best verse, I want it to be me. Talking about me.
[23:52]
Parks
Yeah, for sure.
[23:53]
Melissa Ford
That's. That's MC still competition, though, but it's.
[23:56]
Ice
That's real on a regular posse cut. Whether. If there was names said or lines drawn or whatever.
[24:02]
Ray Daniels
But I think what Joe was saying, like, if you hear that, you in the room, and now you like, hold on. It's like. It's like how we started here. Flip is like, what you. What's up to? I'm like, nigga, I just saw Joe's, like, I'm in town. But you could be thinking us, because this is how you. This is what you do. So, like, I ain't about to get set up on a pod, so I feel like it was more that, like, I'm just gonna bring my best in case one of you niggas bring their best. And then you probably heard something. You're like, oh, that's what we doing.
[24:22]
Joe Budden
And I understand y' all the niggas that's rapping and dissing be around each other, like, at the Dreamville Fest and all that. I. I get.
[24:28]
Melissa Ford
They talked about this, yo. All right. You know, I'm. I'm go. Yeah, we go, too. What's up? Let's get it.
[24:33]
Ray Daniels
It's like sports. I want to see you do good and get your money, but I want the. When the chip come, though. I want the chip, though, period. Grave digger.
[24:42]
Joe Budden
All right, back to Big Sean. Yes, sir.
[24:45]
Ice
That quick overshadow, Big Yeah, it happened again. Shout to Big.
[24:52]
Joe Budden
Hey, Sean, with all due respect, yo, I know it's going to hurt the art.
[24:56]
Melissa Ford
Righteous.
[24:58]
Parks
Sorry, sorry.
[25:02]
Joe Budden
Hey, we. We here for something, big bro. All right?
[25:10]
Ray Daniels
Yeah. And your wife? You said I was going to watch.
[25:13]
Joe Budden
All right, here we go. Let's. Let's do it. Take it easy, man. Thank you, Big Sean. We appreciate you. And we love you, bro.
[25:18]
Ray Daniels
Had to do me like that, man.
[25:20]
Joe Budden
Come on, come on. Hey, man, let me remove the cat.
[25:24]
Ray Daniels
My lady told me somebody told me that my career was in the trash. Something about missing my window with something.
[25:29]
Melissa Ford
I wanted to laugh at.
[25:30]
Joe Budden
Shatter the glass he was referring to.
[25:32]
Ray Daniels
Cause he ain't got a clue of what I turn into when I enter the booth.
[25:36]
Joe Budden
Neither do I. But I do know that kryptonite is not an issue.
[25:39]
Ray Daniels
Plus, the cable be navy blue. You stuck in the lowest lane.
[25:42]
Joe Budden
It ain't a murderer plane and I'm.
[25:44]
Ray Daniels
Rather faster than burners bang. Anyway, respect the gang.
[25:47]
Joe Budden
This boy is nice.
[25:48]
Ice
You stuck at the lowest lane.
[25:50]
Joe Budden
Yeah, that's.
[25:51]
Ray Daniels
And your paper thin like you never.
[25:53]
Joe Budden
Bank you don't pay what you wearing.
[25:54]
Parks
Is you even saying even if you.
[25:56]
Ray Daniels
Was related to sh.
[25:57]
Joe Budden
You wouldn't make rank on my mama?
[25:59]
Ray Daniels
Your men of honor just made plank the rules out.
[26:03]
Joe Budden
I got my Back in which case you put me in a sticky predicament.
[26:09]
Ray Daniels
I had to show solidarity to my syndicate. Anybody can get it in such a.
[26:14]
Joe Budden
Way that what I saw was clip wrong.
[26:16]
Ice
Yeah, nothing.
[26:17]
Melissa Ford
But listen, the 47 still on my.
[26:18]
Ray Daniels
Tricep pass apart let me skill that I'm quite the chef, bro Ever the masters that ain't never incorrect but it's still TDE till 3000 and forever light was heavy and rain definitely step all.
[26:30]
Joe Budden
Right, so that, that. So that makes it worse for me.
[26:32]
Melissa Ford
That makes it worse now.
[26:33]
Joe Budden
That makes it worse for me.
[26:34]
Ice
Why?
[26:34]
Joe Budden
Cuz if I'm coming with that as a written already, then I need to go last.
[26:38]
Flip
True.
[26:39]
Joe Budden
I have to go last.
[26:40]
Ice
Oh, okay.
[26:41]
Joe Budden
I can feel that I can't do this. This before the and I ain't heard his verse, so I can't give him the window to now come behind me and do exactly what Joey badass did.
[26:52]
Ice
I. I actually agree with you cuz what he said there sounds like he heard the verse or knew what was coming in the verse. And that should have kind of been the cleanup at the end.
[27:00]
Joe Budden
But.
[27:00]
Ice
But I get why they did Joey. Because like last verse as old school hip hop. Last verse show ste I was going.
[27:07]
Mark Lamont Hill
To ask how they picked the order.
[27:09]
Ice
Show Steeler goes scissors, paper, rock.
[27:10]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay.
[27:11]
Ice
No, show stealer goes last the moment. Yeah.
[27:14]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay.
[27:15]
Ray Daniels
And the first verse has to be impressive. It has to say which it was.
[27:18]
Parks
Which it was killed it.
[27:20]
Melissa Ford
All three verses were highly impressive.
[27:22]
Joe Budden
The funny is Sean should have went last. Nah, nah.
[27:28]
Ice
With the conversation that is clearly arising, Sean goes first.
[27:31]
Melissa Ford
They did this, right?
[27:32]
Ray Daniels
Sean doesn't have enough emotion in his voice to go last. My opinion opinion. He's just a really good mc. But like, I think that's why I control one. Because Kendrick could do that. It's like Sean doesn't do that. He just kind of raps. So I think that. I think because he doesn't give you that extra emotion in his voice in times and verses, it feels like a great first verse. Like he feel like he's throwing the alley o but I don't feel like he dumped that. He's the perfect his rap style.
[27:54]
Ice
He's the perfect leadoff hitter for this. He's gonna get on with a girl.
[27:56]
Joe Budden
Eating cherries under the cherry moon.
[28:00]
Melissa Ford
Order of the verses don't necessarily matter. Matter because Kendrick went second on control.
[28:03]
Joe Budden
Kendrick is a Jay.
[28:05]
Melissa Ford
Electronica went third. And we don't remember none of them verses but Kendrick. So if you do your job right, it don't matter. Where you go?
[28:12]
Ray Daniels
Styles matter in fights on paper.
[28:14]
Joe Budden
J Elect maybe should have went last on there on paper. But then there's real life, which nobody talks about but me because he's fly with hole. But anyway, it's hip hop. You know, we still on that.
[28:26]
Ray Daniels
It was healthy for the sport.
[28:28]
Flip
Sticking to the roof, keeping it competitive.
[28:29]
Ray Daniels
Just be lucky that soul.
[28:32]
Joe Budden
See n that that can't go second.
[28:34]
Ray Daniels
The boat with the ocean view.
[28:36]
Joe Budden
You know what I came to do.
[28:38]
Ray Daniels
Hey, hey, Sean. Let me get the hat again and ask Nae Nae who her favorite rapper is.
[28:44]
Joe Budden
Nah, he. He smoked that. That just shouldn't be second. He smoked shouldn't be second. You throwing an alley oop to a. To just.
[28:52]
Ray Daniels
But. But can we just talk really quick? Cuz you said something. Third verse. But in the streaming era, it almost feels like the inverse now. Like, I don't want to go last. They might not get to my verse. Oh, yeah, it's that part too, where it's like it was on the stream. Because back in the day, you wanted the last verse. That meant you ain't.
[29:07]
Melissa Ford
No third verse is in the stream.
[29:10]
Ray Daniels
So even what you just said, Ice, when you was like, nobody heard that verse. It's like. Because, like, we tune out after a while.
[29:14]
Joe Budden
But this is. I understand that. With all due respect, if there's one place I never want to hear the words streaming error, it's in a cipher.
[29:23]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, this ain't even streaming.
[29:24]
Ray Daniels
I was about to say this ain't real.
[29:26]
Melissa Ford
This ain't for that.
[29:26]
Ice
I like your argument, but it doesn't apply to this.
[29:28]
Ray Daniels
No, it wasn't. It was just a thought process ended. Like, I'm like. Because when you said the third verse, I'm like, damn. I've been really wanting to tell rappers bring back the third verse.
[29:36]
Ice
I'm telling third verse.
[29:38]
Joe Budden
I'm telling them, yo, and in a cipher. I'm not going to hold you. You be happy when the niggas before don't really cook.
[29:46]
Ice
But they both cook to me too.
[29:47]
Flip
They cook, though.
[29:48]
Joe Budden
Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying cipher rules in effect.
[29:51]
Melissa Ford
Oh, yeah, now you.
[29:52]
Joe Budden
I'm not thinking, hey, put the whack niggas behind me because I need to be heard. I'm thinking, let these niggas go first. That's going to make my verse sound like Jesus.
[30:00]
Ray Daniels
Oh, ye.
[30:01]
Joe Budden
Yeah. All right, Joey.
[30:03]
Ice
Yeah, let's get.
[30:05]
Joe Budden
That's cute out here. Look.
[30:07]
Melissa Ford
BK The Carson the bar down. See.
[30:12]
Joe Budden
Yo, when Brooklyn start any verse saying BK is the bad time, you know what this Almost flow.
[30:21]
Melissa Ford
Yeah. That's he just talking. Right. To Absol. It. Almost like Sean, you wasn't even here now.
[30:25]
Ice
Yeah.
[30:25]
Melissa Ford
BK the Carson boxing.
[30:27]
Ice
Yeah.
[30:27]
Melissa Ford
It's like a two man.
[30:28]
Ice
Yeah.
[30:29]
Ray Daniels
Wow.
[30:30]
Joe Budden
I think Absol.
[30:31]
Ray Daniels
You coming to compete with. He knew what he was doing. Right? You're right.
[30:35]
Melissa Ford
Yeah.
[30:35]
Joe Budden
I think absolutely is a better word Smith than Joey Badass.
[30:39]
Melissa Ford
I agree.
[30:40]
Joe Budden
I think Joey Badass has more presence than ab Soul.
[30:44]
Ice
Agree. I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. In this verse, he. He could. This might be one of his best verse I ever heard from him.
[30:49]
Joe Budden
Well, and the disc.
[30:50]
Melissa Ford
I'm about to say no.
[30:52]
Joe Budden
And the disc. He kind of.
[30:53]
Ice
I can't wait chronologically.
[30:58]
Melissa Ford
But I'm the one who Absolute.
[31:01]
Joe Budden
You can't let nobody do that with your word flips in front of him. Absolute. I'm the that Absolutely.
[31:11]
Flip
Yeah. Right in front of him too.
[31:13]
Joe Budden
Salute me. I've got to snuff somebody now.
[31:22]
Melissa Ford
Call that a catastrophe.
[31:23]
Ray Daniels
This rule is back.
[31:24]
Melissa Ford
They've been trying to measure up. Look, my name ain't Rick but I talk slick don't press your love and I ain't taking no words back I'm with all that this ain't gotta turn to nothing else let's keep it all rap first off I could never hate the west coast consist coming for Joe.
[31:38]
Ray Daniels
It then let's go.
[31:45]
Melissa Ford
This ain't no east versus west. I just think that I'm the best. As a matter of fact I know these broken bars could put bad boys on death row. Kind of crazy how shook and puff in jail though.
[31:54]
Ray Daniels
Yo.
[31:59]
Melissa Ford
Come on, man.
[32:00]
Joe Budden
There's a lot of presence in this verse. Our good brother dark Lamont Hill just joined us.
[32:04]
Melissa Ford
Dark man.
[32:05]
Flip
Dark man. Dark man.
[32:11]
Joe Budden
I was.
[32:12]
Flip
You can hear it clearly.
[32:18]
Joe Budden
Our brother Mark has just joined.
[32:21]
Ray Daniels
Yeah, clap. Yeah.
[32:22]
Flip
Look happy, look.
[32:24]
Ray Daniels
Yeah, yeah, Clap, clap, clap. Clap again.
[32:30]
Mark Lamont Hill
His fade.
[32:30]
Ray Daniels
Just walk happy.
[32:34]
Joe Budden
Here go Mel now down with.
[32:35]
Flip
I'm happy to see my man too.
[32:37]
Joe Budden
Anyway, how you doing, Mark And Mel, when did you start turning on Mark like that?
[32:41]
Mark Lamont Hill
What do you mean? I'm not turning on Mark.
[32:43]
Joe Budden
You've been a lot of little teachers pets. There been a lot of letting.
[32:46]
Flip
Letting the handle since he started turning on her.
[32:48]
Parks
I did find that hurtful since he.
[32:50]
Ice
Started turning on physically landed once the drops happened.
[32:53]
Parks
It happened the other way around.
[32:54]
Flip
No, you've been shooting that male gang.
[32:56]
Parks
No male shot at me first.
[32:57]
Flip
She did.
[32:57]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah, I might have.
[32:58]
Melissa Ford
It was the drops.
[32:59]
Flip
Why you conceding the that he say what you mean?
[33:02]
Mark Lamont Hill
Because I'm honest.
[33:03]
Ray Daniels
Instead of seeing a woman being accountable. That's amazing. I was about to give you props. I'm like, that was accountable. I don't see women do that.
[33:08]
Joe Budden
Oh, you're not sorry.
[33:09]
Ray Daniels
I was not. You know, women used to be like, it wasn't me. She said I was gonna look at my girl like, did you hear that? I'm just saying, like, accountable. That was amazing. Don't you see that right on top?
[33:19]
Joe Budden
No. This is like the broke clock being right twice.
[33:21]
Ray Daniels
Okay, okay, my bad. Mel, if it's one thing, I'll call y' all when you do it again. I promise you, if you don't do it again.
[33:25]
Joe Budden
If it's one thing Savannah ain't gonna be.
[33:27]
Flip
It's accountable. She's alerted to accountable. The only thing she's allergic to accounts. She don't keep money in accounts she's keeping under her mattress.
[33:34]
Mark Lamont Hill
Are you gonna keep talking so I can fucking shoot at him? I know the fuck you are not talking, mister. I don't trigger anybody in here on purpose.
[33:41]
Flip
Oh, she's showing off again. Again.
[33:43]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm not.
[33:43]
Parks
Let's go.
[33:44]
Flip
I like when you get in this bag when company here, you shoot at that. Because he not gonna say to I.
[33:47]
Mark Lamont Hill
Was shooting last episode.
[33:50]
Joe Budden
And you're right.
[33:51]
Ray Daniels
I just want to ask Joe a question.
[33:52]
Joe Budden
That is a line that you can get off once you've built your empire.
[33:57]
Ray Daniels
Joe, I want ask you.
[33:58]
Joe Budden
So we're clear here.
[33:59]
Ray Daniels
How long do I have to be here before I'm not company?
[34:02]
Joe Budden
I don't feel like you family now.
[34:04]
Parks
I feel like.
[34:04]
Ray Daniels
I feel like. Okay, so it's just him that's the cousin that don't want me. Okay, cool.
[34:08]
Joe Budden
I got it.
[34:08]
Ray Daniels
And I know who we in the house with.
[34:09]
Joe Budden
And just so you know, I'mma make you like me.
[34:11]
Ray Daniels
I'mma make you like me.
[34:12]
Joe Budden
Cuz he's also done that. That with everyone that's gotten hired since he's been here.
[34:17]
Parks
Factual.
[34:18]
Joe Budden
He's done that.
[34:19]
Flip
That's in my bag.
[34:20]
Ray Daniels
Okay, cool. I get it.
[34:22]
Parks
It's like a hazing thing.
[34:23]
Joe Budden
Don't take it personal. If you can survive the cast hating you for the first seven months of you getting the gig, then you made it. Then you made it. Come on.
[34:32]
Ray Daniels
I promise you, you can never get under my skin, bro. I love you, bro.
[34:35]
Flip
I love you too.
[34:35]
Ray Daniels
That's the type of person I. You can't bother me.
[34:37]
Joe Budden
We responding with love.
[34:38]
Flip
I accept that. I accept that.
[34:40]
Joe Budden
Let's get back to wait. Back to our hate. Let's go back to hate. Yo, do I have to play the rest of this?
[34:44]
Ice
No, thank you. I don't think so.
[34:46]
Joe Budden
I want to get to the shits. I don't want to. I don't. Yeah, I don't want to do that. Here we go. Oh, boy. Oh my God. Jesus.
[34:54]
Ice
Wait. No, no, no. You're out of order.
[34:56]
Joe Budden
I'm back.
[34:57]
Ice
You're out of order. Ray first.
[34:58]
Melissa Ford
You got to go, Ray.
[34:59]
Joe Budden
Oh, Ray went first? Yes.
[35:01]
Melissa Ford
Ray responded to that.
[35:04]
Ray Daniels
What?
[35:04]
Joe Budden
Oh, there are grave mistakes made all over this thing.
[35:09]
Ray Daniels
Yeah, it's sh.
[35:12]
Joe Budden
Spiral playing the wrong again. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Raymond.
[35:18]
Ray Daniels
Hold up.
[35:18]
Joe Budden
I got you guys.
[35:20]
Melissa Ford
He jumped out with that.
[35:21]
Ice
Yeah.
[35:22]
Joe Budden
Here we go, cuz.
[35:23]
Ice
Joey was on his ass.
[35:24]
Joe Budden
Here we go. Sorry about that. Throw tomatoes at the DJ booth.
[35:27]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[35:30]
Joe Budden
Sorry. Somebody bumped the table. Let's go gray. Okay, okay. This is hard.
[35:40]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, up look.
[35:44]
Joe Budden
Hey, ho, is you stupid or you dumb?
[35:46]
Ray Daniels
Popping it the screen about a 20v one.
[35:48]
Joe Budden
Hey, ho, is you finish or you done?
[35:50]
Melissa Ford
We don't give a. Where you from?
[35:52]
Ray Daniels
Where you from?
[35:54]
Parks
Okay, what's up?
[35:56]
Joe Budden
Shut up.
[35:57]
Melissa Ford
Uhhuh. Okay.
[35:59]
Ray Daniels
What's up?
[36:01]
Joe Budden
Shut up.
[36:02]
Ice
He took me out the.
[36:03]
Melissa Ford
No, no, no.
[36:03]
Joe Budden
That's just the hook he gave to it.
[36:05]
Ice
But he shouldn't have did that right there.
[36:06]
Melissa Ford
I agree, I agree. Cuz my first listen. I'm like. Like this ain't going to do it. Yeah, see, but he made up for.
[36:11]
Ice
His bars are doping there.
[36:13]
Joe Budden
I am going to press play, but I've never heard this. So this is a. I'm listening and. And critiquing it real time. It does sound like he's trying to catch one.
[36:21]
Parks
Yeah, absolutely.
[36:23]
Joe Budden
And I don't know how long you.
[36:24]
Melissa Ford
Sound like he's mimicking. Not like us trying to catch that.
[36:28]
Joe Budden
More like hey now say now. Hey now say now.
[36:30]
Melissa Ford
But I'm just saying that that west coast bop dis record over that.
[36:34]
Joe Budden
Hey, west coast been. How long do y' all want this to run? That's me asking a valid question. Y' all can't.
[36:43]
Ice
I like the west coast run right.
[36:44]
Joe Budden
Now, but I love it too.
[36:45]
Ice
They don't need to start doing this though.
[36:47]
Joe Budden
I want. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[36:48]
Ice
This is too derivative. This is diluting of six months ago. Not even six months ago, but now.
[36:53]
Joe Budden
And I'm sure Ray Vaughon about to get his ass.
[36:59]
Ray Daniels
Run.
[36:59]
Parks
So we run. We going to name it at your backpack.
[37:01]
Joe Budden
Real shit.
[37:02]
Ray Daniels
You should act more.
[37:03]
Joe Budden
You should rap less. This is a tough style to beat though. I told go, like, but this is a tough style to beat. Yeah. Like, when you have your region behind you this way, like, and you got to deal with that, you go, there's.
[37:12]
Melissa Ford
A way to beat it.
[37:13]
Joe Budden
You.
[37:14]
Melissa Ford
You do exactly what he did. You go get your region and you rap the way that you're supposed to rap from over here.
[37:18]
Ray Daniels
And that's why I was thinking when you said how long this is gonna last, I've been encouraging, I've been singing. Every time I go out, I'm like, if you from the west coast rap like that, take this Kendrick moment and create the sound. Because that's what TI did for Southern music.
[37:29]
Ice
I was gonna say, fuck.
[37:30]
Joe Budden
Fuck.
[37:31]
Ice
Just the West Coast. I think regionalism and hip hop is amazing. And I like to bring it back. Hear it all the time.
[37:37]
Joe Budden
I agree with that.
[37:38]
Ray Daniels
Exactly. Reverse ass with that BBL cost West.
[37:41]
Parks
Coast getting season now you heavy on the catch him at the Staple Center Bet you I'm a sp. Goofy don't let power get your TV turned off.
[37:50]
Ray Daniels
Trash bands just for you.
[37:51]
Parks
To put them raps in Conductor got.
[37:53]
Joe Budden
You sounding like you in a jazz.
[37:54]
Parks
Band why he going after Doy think he packed man cj like 40 any young drugs.
[37:59]
Flip
That was hard.
[37:59]
Joe Budden
That was hard.
[38:00]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, yeah.
[38:01]
Ray Daniels
You gotta admit, when west coast get on that beat, they shine, man. There something about that beat. And when they really. Exactly.
[38:09]
Melissa Ford
When they do that, use it.
[38:10]
Joe Budden
Yeah, exactly. He's going off.
[38:12]
Flip
That was hard.
[38:13]
Ice
He ain't done.
[38:14]
Joe Budden
Where you going after.it think he pac man.
[38:18]
Parks
For the honeycomb get your own.
[38:20]
Melissa Ford
Buzz Skeletons inside my closet playing bone.
[38:22]
Parks
Thugs I put the whole pro era on a pro club hey ho, is you stupid? Are you done Popping in The spin.
[38:28]
Joe Budden
About a 20v1 hey, ho, is you finish? Are you done?
[38:31]
Melissa Ford
We don't give a where you from. Where you from, huh?
[38:35]
Joe Budden
Okay, what's up?
[38:37]
Ray Daniels
Shut up.
[38:38]
Joe Budden
Huh? That is hard, though.
[38:41]
Ice
It's hard.
[38:41]
Joe Budden
I see why he put a hook on it.
[38:43]
Ray Daniels
He should have put it. He should have repeated it. And when he did it the first time, I was following, but he should have went somewhere else. But he repeated it twice. I felt lazy to me, like, oh, you could have. Could you put the Trick Daddy? And you should have just went somewhere else, but you stayed there.
[38:54]
Ice
I think you should have stayed on the Trick Daddy longer.
[38:56]
Joe Budden
Really? The in that studio wouldn't allow him to not put that again. Fly that.
[39:01]
Parks
Yeah, yeah, fly that. That's the hardest.
[39:03]
Joe Budden
Are you the energy in his studio right now? He rapping like that to beat his Day. Yo, fly that and this cannot go out with just bars.
[39:12]
Ice
Yeah, yeah.
[39:14]
Joe Budden
God damn it.
[39:15]
Ice
That's the hard part.
[39:15]
Joe Budden
The.
[39:16]
Ice
The hoey part. I don't really like.
[39:17]
Joe Budden
I don't like that he did it.
[39:18]
Ice
Trick Daddy was hard, though.
[39:20]
Ray Daniels
Hey, what's up?
[39:22]
Joe Budden
Shut up.
[39:23]
Parks
Won't smoke.
[39:24]
Joe Budden
I'm a vape lord Walk around with nine on me Feel like I'm in.
[39:26]
Parks
Grade four I can send him to he get paid for Standing next to.
[39:30]
Ray Daniels
Soul ain't gonna save yours.
[39:33]
Joe Budden
All right, all right, all right, all right, Rayon. All right, Rayon.
[39:37]
Ice
That's on your album, cuz. It's fire.
[39:40]
Joe Budden
Standing next to soul ain't gonna save yours.
[39:43]
Melissa Ford
My favorite line in that you ain't even get to he said you washed. You ain't carrying no torch. You let Ice Spice turn into the king of New York, man. Like he's playing them.
[39:51]
Joe Budden
Yo, Rayon. Just trying to be funny. Ice Spice is not the king of the year. But that pretty.
[39:55]
Ice
Try to be fun.
[39:55]
Joe Budden
Exactly.
[39:56]
Ray Daniels
I say the most famous New York is. I'm just.
[40:00]
Joe Budden
And for that two months that it looked like she was about to be Lotto went and rented 50 Suburbans and drove right over there. We never heard another word.
[40:08]
Melissa Ford
It was all right.
[40:09]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Sorry and shout out to Ice Spice. But sorry we don't give a about.
[40:14]
Parks
Where you was or where you at See, the fans only know you for the apps not the bls I know.
[40:18]
Ice
Who you was and you was never.
[40:19]
Joe Budden
On a map.
[40:23]
Parks
Ain't try to school.
[40:23]
Joe Budden
You Let me do the yo, don't flag my broadcast Been nobody I was.
[40:28]
Parks
Ready for your baby mama Speaking for.
[40:30]
Joe Budden
The coast without backup drop a little.
[40:32]
Parks
3Ch see what happened last time I.
[40:34]
Melissa Ford
Act a beef a rapper how you.
[40:36]
Ray Daniels
On TV and your homie using cap cut get acted stop acting, get acted.
[40:41]
Joe Budden
Gang traction That should have been the hook part. Yeah, that should have been hook on.
[40:46]
Parks
The screen rave whopper quick to turn.
[40:48]
Melissa Ford
A to a rollout heard they move the goal post every time we show out.
[40:51]
Ray Daniels
It's a line combo.
[40:52]
Joe Budden
It really is a blowout that didn't respond.
[40:54]
Parks
Now you trying to call Cole out We dirt.
[40:58]
Joe Budden
Okay. I'm not going to lie to you. He went the off. There we go. He did. I cannot tell a story.
[41:05]
Melissa Ford
There we go.
[41:05]
Joe Budden
He absolutely went the off.
[41:08]
Ray Daniels
And.
[41:08]
Joe Budden
And this beat is beating and it's.
[41:10]
Melissa Ford
Doing some a part the part 24 hours later.
[41:14]
Ice
Yeah, real quick. Real quick.
[41:17]
Melissa Ford
I think it got to be emphasis on that, yo.
[41:19]
Ice
Yeah.
[41:19]
Melissa Ford
Do n dog to dude, that ain't easy. It ain't like I had this in the tuck. Just sitting here. I. I heard you.
[41:26]
Joe Budden
He had it in the tuck, but I'm.
[41:28]
Melissa Ford
I heard you.
[41:28]
Joe Budden
No, I didn't hear you. I heard you. My man called me. My man called me. I didn't hear nothing. My man called me. As soon as that shoot was over, my whole camp knew as soon as that Red Bull camera stopped that you was on it. Gave these time and he's fast. He did this last time he popped out.
[41:47]
Melissa Ford
I'm just saying.
[41:48]
Ice
I with you. I'm with you.
[41:49]
Joe Budden
Freeze. This is ridiculous.
[41:50]
Ray Daniels
Off. And by the way, when a name from the west coast rap on that beat, it becomes like yo, it's. I'm telling you, they should use that style. I would stay there. I would stay there.
[41:59]
Ice
I'm with you.
[42:00]
Joe Budden
If you nice, you should do it. Yeah. He, he, he took off. He took off. Hey, ho, is you stupid or you dumb?
[42:05]
Ray Daniels
Popping it and spin about a 20v one.
[42:07]
Parks
Hey, rock him.
[42:08]
Ray Daniels
Stupid ass think he rock him TDE superstar is jealous he ain't locked in.
[42:12]
Melissa Ford
I didn't push so many cats I.
[42:13]
Joe Budden
Go to med school.
[42:14]
Ray Daniels
Bullets flying by sound like sounds on.
[42:16]
Melissa Ford
A Neptune thought the beaver lifestyle.
[42:17]
Ray Daniels
You was Deadpool for that energy. I gave her wings once I read Red Bull.
[42:21]
Melissa Ford
Sorry, not sorry.
[42:21]
Joe Budden
She was weak. Pardon me, Pardon me. You made a whole EP coping please white back man.
[42:26]
Ray Daniels
Let him breathe. Let him breathe.
[42:27]
Joe Budden
Now that hang him from the popular trees.
[42:30]
Parks
He had your food like he do.
[42:31]
Ray Daniels
It for the sport.
[42:32]
Parks
Snoop Dog kicking over his little fork.
[42:34]
Joe Budden
Okay, you watch.
[42:35]
Parks
You ain't carrying no torch. You let Ice Spice turn it to the king of New York. What the.
[42:39]
Joe Budden
Get acting.
[42:40]
Parks
Stop acting.
[42:40]
Joe Budden
Stop acting.
[42:41]
Ice
That's hard.
[42:43]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[42:44]
Parks
Yeah, he got he buy salute to Ray.
[42:45]
Melissa Ford
Man, he went crazy.
[42:46]
Joe Budden
Both race he. He absolutely took off. Okay, and then, and then. And 24 hours later.
[42:52]
Melissa Ford
Hours later. The finals.
[42:55]
Ice
The finals.
[42:56]
Joe Budden
I like this beef. I ain't going to lie.
[42:58]
Ice
It's a fun beef.
[42:59]
Joe Budden
This is a cool, fun, friendly, competitive beef to show a skill set with rapping too.
[43:08]
Ray Daniels
Yes, because of the beef. Everybody's listening now. So now your skills are really being shined. It's like yo, it's, it's crazy. It's good for hip hop.
[43:15]
Joe Budden
Before I play Joey's response. Where does everybody here stand on Lil Broen? Your opponent, who might be a greater mc. Where do you stand on. Hey, this nigga never had a song. We don't know him. He's not visible. He got no traction. He got no bitches. His label don't care about him. I made more money for his label than he did. That's what I told Saigon. I ended Saigon. Saigon, what up? I absolutely finished Saigon. Saigon is my man. But he got finished. He's on my hit list. But what up, though? I pieced it up with all my beats.
[43:54]
Ray Daniels
Yo, it's rap shit. It's just rap shit.
[43:55]
Joe Budden
It's just rap.
[43:56]
Ray Daniels
You got me. That's all it is.
[43:57]
Joe Budden
I mean, it may not have been just rap shit at the time, but at 45 years old, I've pieced up all my rap music. And I asked y' all this because I heard a lot of that from what Joey had to say. I'll play it for you guys. But where do y' all stand on that angle?
[44:10]
Melissa Ford
I ain't mad at it.
[44:11]
Parks
I love that angle.
[44:11]
Flip
I'm mad at it.
[44:12]
Melissa Ford
You're not mad at it at all.
[44:13]
Ice
He's got 10 years on, right? So I think he should lean into that.
[44:21]
Joe Budden
Sound like New York that.
[44:22]
Ice
Yeah.
[44:23]
Joe Budden
Let's play the region game sound we playing.
[44:25]
Ray Daniels
You got to play with your home court advantage.
[44:26]
Joe Budden
Sound like New York City.
[44:30]
Ray Daniels
Stand up.
[44:31]
Flip
I'm back.
[44:32]
Joe Budden
Oh, yeah. New York intro.
[44:36]
Melissa Ford
What kind of Top Dog is you? You more shit rapping before the drum, dog. You artificial.
[44:42]
Ray Daniels
You known for your label, not because you're artificial. And I ain't gotta talk about I broke.
[44:47]
Melissa Ford
You artificial.
[44:48]
Ray Daniels
Cause when I send shots at you.
[44:49]
Melissa Ford
It'D be hard to miss. You ain't gotta load a magazine just.
[44:52]
Ray Daniels
To press this issue.
[44:53]
Melissa Ford
In fact, these ain't even shots.
[44:55]
Ray Daniels
They miss us trying to outclass the badass. So I gotta dismiss you.
[44:59]
Melissa Ford
You all bark, no bite and hit.
[45:01]
Ray Daniels
Dogs going high, boy.
[45:06]
Joe Budden
Why not?
[45:08]
Ray Daniels
Getting dropped, knocked off a top roster. And I'mma be the reason.
[45:12]
Melissa Ford
Okay.
[45:16]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[45:16]
Melissa Ford
Come on.
[45:17]
Ray Daniels
He's playing.
[45:18]
Melissa Ford
He playing with them now. Yo, you gonna be the next drop. I love that he's playing now. Yeah, let's rock.
[45:27]
Joe Budden
Go ahead.
[45:28]
Melissa Ford
Let's rock.
[45:29]
Ray Daniels
You deny sick pups, you gonna see.
[45:32]
Melissa Ford
You walking up the wrong street. Think you with me. It's about time, Top.
[45:36]
Ray Daniels
Let your ass off for the leash time for five years. Get your bitch. Biggest moment for me.
[45:40]
Joe Budden
See, I don't care how great of a rapper you are. If I get to lil bro you for the next three minutes. It's effective. Yes, it's effective.
[45:47]
Ice
It is.
[45:48]
Melissa Ford
Especially if some of the. I'm saying, could be looked at as.
[45:52]
Ice
A little factual, right? For sure.
[45:54]
Melissa Ford
Like, I ain't just making this up.
[45:56]
Ice
No, it's fair to say that it's factual. Like Ray is just. He just came out. He just came out. You can say Joey's been here 10 years. He can say that.
[46:03]
Melissa Ford
No, when he's saying, sign for five years and I'm your biggest, it's like.
[46:06]
Ray Daniels
But look at that. But look at it from a sport place. If you started here, right? And we all started as rappers, and now you go off and be a supermodel famous girlfriend, you in Gucci commercials, the mc, the hungry on the floor is like, oh, this is slipping. So it's almost like, I'mma attack the who. I don't think is sharp no more. Yeah, so. And by the way, because he know he ain't in game shape, he has to respond, right? And that's kind of like. That's how it works.
[46:29]
Ice
Yeah, it's the play.
[46:30]
Ray Daniels
It's a play for both sides. Both win.
[46:31]
Joe Budden
But.
[46:31]
Ray Daniels
But by the way, this is good for Joey because now he can show. Nigga, don't think there's some of these commercials that I don't do this. So it's really great for both sides.
[46:38]
Joe Budden
Why is Joey doing it? We just seen him beat a nigga up at the Pelly Pelly store, right? We just seen Joey Badass at the Averex store tightening some screws up. You on tv, you in love.
[46:56]
Ice
Get into it.
[46:57]
Flip
Man.
[46:58]
Ice
It.
[46:58]
Joe Budden
That skin is still beautiful, Paul.
[47:01]
Melissa Ford
Sometimes you just gotta remind. Yeah, it's a lot of that I don't think are familiar with how well, Joey Battle.
[47:08]
Ray Daniels
It's hard to remind someone when you're not provoked because then it's like you're being a bully. So it's almost like you needed somebody.
[47:14]
Parks
Somebody to shoot.
[47:15]
Ray Daniels
Okay, okay, okay. Let's get down and fight now.
[47:17]
Ice
I think Joey also, everyone always thought that he could rap well and stuff like that, but he was never known as like, oh, he's a killer. He's super nice. This is his chance to show that and be clear.
[47:26]
Melissa Ford
Joey popped this off. So now it's not like I'm just. I popped it off and I went and hit over here. I'm answering the call. Anybody got something? Oh, you got something to say? Cool. I got one for you, Daylight. I heard you. I got something for you too.
[47:38]
Ice
You gotta remember Joey too. He was like a bad. He was like a child star. Damn. There he was young as hell when he came out. He was a teenager. So this is his chance to show, yo, I'm a fucking grown killer.
[47:49]
Ray Daniels
Cause I thought he was way older than what he is when I saw him in a magazine. I'm like, how is he this young? He's been out since he was a kid.
[47:54]
Ice
Yeah, he was a teenager. 1999 drop.
[47:56]
Joe Budden
And you know what? I will say that I like about 20, 25 and forward. I like that there's a new crop trying to establish themselves as the killers new bulls. Like, yeah, like the niggas that we know are grandfathered and great grandfathered in. They shouldn't even be spoken about. This new crop of niggas who kill and who don't, who's here for just the cosmetics of this and who really is about that action. I like Joey saying, yeah, I'm here, I'm with it. I like it, I like it.
[48:31]
Ice
Although I did like hearing Styles Pete popping the other day.
[48:34]
Joe Budden
That was amazing.
[48:35]
Ray Daniels
I love that, bro.
[48:36]
Ice
I like hearing from the OGs too.
[48:37]
Joe Budden
You set Jim straight.
[48:38]
Parks
He did.
[48:39]
Joe Budden
Hey, Jim, Jim is my man. Set him straight. You heard it.
[48:42]
Melissa Ford
Points were made.
[48:43]
Ray Daniels
So gentleman. Like, just like a gentleman, though. That's what I love. No, we're not the same. You don't think that, do you? I was like, yo, he in such a nice way. You couldn't be offended by it. It was like, oh, oh, that's true. It was like I said, like, it had to be true.
[48:54]
Joe Budden
But that's gonna be the old age that. That beef is never gonna leave the. I have more commercial success than you versus IMC and you don't.
[49:05]
Ice
Yeah.
[49:08]
Joe Budden
That'S gonna outlive all of us.
[49:09]
Ice
I like it.
[49:10]
Joe Budden
Styles said that shit straight, though. He was like, yo, dog, I've forgotten.
[49:14]
Ice
More rhymes.
[49:15]
Joe Budden
He started talking about you can't with them that just been juicing. Juicing versus gym pull ups. We got a healthy battle. Healthy FC Battle Loaded Lux to mediate that. All right, back to your badass.
[49:35]
Ray Daniels
Nobody name a single song you ever believe Even Crash out wasn't your original beat.
[49:41]
Melissa Ford
Every time Joey drop, you see, see he eats. I did more for you than the whole of tde.
[49:46]
Ray Daniels
It's too bad. You should have been signed to me. Somebody tell Top we about to start TD East.
[49:52]
Melissa Ford
Funny how they gotta use the pro name for promo on the logo. I really think you is homo the.
[49:58]
Ray Daniels
Way you let that dick sit in your mouth. Did that same dick licking I was talking about.
[50:03]
Melissa Ford
You would do anything for the cloud.
[50:05]
Ray Daniels
Crash out over who won't even let your name house.
[50:09]
Melissa Ford
I bet you ain't even got his number.
[50:11]
Ray Daniels
It's funny how the thirst is being disguised as hunger. Should have sat down, been humble, but.
[50:15]
Joe Budden
No going crazy, son. And he got 2 minutes and 19 seconds. Yeah, we don't gotta play the whole game. He's not gonna stop. Yeah, he's not gonna stop this.
[50:23]
Ice
He went crazy. This is fun. I love it. Reasons got involved now, too. I ain't heard it. So we'll maybe cover that next. Next week.
[50:29]
Joe Budden
Reason, man. Yo, this ain't a jump.
[50:32]
Ice
It is a jump. It's a joke.
[50:33]
Melissa Ford
Well, no, it's not a jump. He's addressed. He said my name, too, if I'm reading it.
[50:37]
Ice
Yeah, Daylight can hop in this, too.
[50:39]
Melissa Ford
Paul Daylight. He was in that Cipher. He was shooting at Daylight. Daylight. What? I don't like what Daylight did.
[50:44]
Ice
I didn't see what daylight.
[50:46]
Melissa Ford
He posted a picture of Joey Badass brother on his Instagram. Rest in peace. That.
[50:50]
Parks
That's why it's too fun.
[50:51]
Melissa Ford
But this is rap. Like, nobody's disrespected nobody. It was strictly rap. And then. And you ain't responding with no bars or nothing. You just put a picture of his brother.
[50:58]
Ice
Well, he has responded. Not to the Cipher. Daily's done a lot of rapping. And Joey Badass in the last.
[51:02]
Joe Budden
Yo, y' all having too much fun to do. That'll get you punched in the face.
[51:05]
Ice
Yeah, don't do the serious.
[51:07]
Joe Budden
Let's be cool. We want everybody to be able to walk the red carpet at the award show at the same time. And I'm invite all y' all when we get our Golden Globe.
[51:14]
Ice
That's true.
[51:17]
Joe Budden
When we get our gold. When we get our Golden Globe. Come on, y' all. Y' all gotta know I ain't gonna do. I ain't gonna do. Y' all like Melissa, Savannah Ford, win a Gracie Award, fly out to Atlanta to accept. Or la. I'm sorry. To accept the Gracie Award and not invite her brothers.
[51:31]
Flip
Yeah.
[51:31]
Melissa Ford
That was crazy.
[51:33]
Parks
Wait, there was a ceremony?
[51:35]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[51:35]
Joe Budden
Mel won't be here for our patreon.
[51:37]
Melissa Ford
She's leaving.
[51:38]
Joe Budden
She's leaving on the first thing smoking because she has to prepare to accept her Gracie Award.
[51:43]
Ice
You want to start your speech now?
[51:44]
Joe Budden
Wow.
[51:45]
Melissa Ford
And then tell like. Like we wouldn't support.
[51:46]
Mark Lamont Hill
I have. I haven't written it. I haven't written my speech yet.
[51:49]
Parks
Are we going to be in it?
[51:53]
Joe Budden
Wow.
[51:54]
Ray Daniels
Wow.
[51:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
Maybe there's a possibility. Like I said.
[51:59]
Joe Budden
Wait a minute. No.
[52:02]
Mark Lamont Hill
For sure Daisy's not gonna be in the speech.
[52:05]
Flip
She's not.
[52:05]
Parks
We might not make the speech.
[52:07]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm gonna do my best to make the speech.
[52:08]
Flip
We wasn't gonna make the speech.
[52:09]
Melissa Ford
Why you ain't just tell us so we could support you?
[52:11]
Joe Budden
Though. Yeah.
[52:12]
Mark Lamont Hill
Because I just. Listen, I was given one ticket. I.
[52:15]
Melissa Ford
We get our own tickets.
[52:16]
Joe Budden
We get our own tickets, man.
[52:18]
Mark Lamont Hill
I just didn't think that you guys would make the trek to la. We love LA and spend.
[52:23]
Ice
I love la.
[52:24]
Parks
Shitting in Utah.
[52:25]
Mark Lamont Hill
The several hundred dollars on the ticket, it.
[52:29]
Melissa Ford
I've spent several hundred dollars on.
[52:31]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's a fact. True.
[52:32]
Joe Budden
I spent several hundred dollars on the big titty AI white girl a couple. Couple months ago. What are you talking about? You think I won't give it to you?
[52:40]
Mark Lamont Hill
I mean, I think I'm going to.
[52:41]
Joe Budden
Use it to support you.
[52:42]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay. You. I stand corrected. I stand corrected.
[52:45]
Melissa Ford
Shirts made like we could have really.
[52:47]
Joe Budden
Hot and bothered hoodies.
[52:49]
Mark Lamont Hill
There still some time. There's still some time.
[52:53]
Parks
I'm over it.
[52:53]
Joe Budden
Not now.
[52:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
Next year.
[52:56]
Melissa Ford
Why? You said they only gave you one. Why you ain't telling you? I'm not coming if the team ain't coming.
[53:00]
Mark Lamont Hill
Oh, yeah, no, no. That was. That was not going to happen.
[53:02]
Joe Budden
And I want to go.
[53:02]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm absolutely going.
[53:03]
Joe Budden
I wanted to go when you was. When you won. Like. I don't want to go next year.
[53:07]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm going to win next year.
[53:09]
Ray Daniels
Oh, what award is it?
[53:10]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's called the Gracie Awards.
[53:12]
Ray Daniels
Okay.
[53:12]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah. Awards. Women in media. It's their 50th anniversary this year.
[53:15]
Ray Daniels
Oh, this year.
[53:16]
Joe Budden
You should have.
[53:17]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[53:18]
Ray Daniels
Some personal stuff. I would have been like, well, I'm.
[53:20]
Mark Lamont Hill
Definitely going to win this. This is the first of many.
[53:23]
Joe Budden
So you think you'll be a back to back Gracie Award winner?
[53:26]
Parks
You think it's going to be hot and bothered?
[53:28]
Mark Lamont Hill
I absolutely do.
[53:29]
Parks
Okay.
[53:30]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah. I've also like put into the universe that I'm going to have an naacp.
[53:33]
Joe Budden
Wait, what did you say?
[53:34]
Mark Lamont Hill
Some. Some shade.
[53:35]
Joe Budden
What did you say? Mark? What?
[53:37]
Parks
I thought. I was just trying to follow the flow of the conversation. I just woke up.
[53:39]
Joe Budden
I'm sorry.
[53:41]
Parks
It was an honest. It was a sincere question.
[53:43]
Melissa Ford
You said you get an NAACP award too.
[53:45]
Mark Lamont Hill
I. That.
[53:46]
Melissa Ford
Can we go to that on se hard.
[53:48]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm manifesting that.
[53:49]
Joe Budden
Wait, hold on.
[53:49]
Melissa Ford
I thought you meant you.
[53:50]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, I'm manifesting.
[53:51]
Joe Budden
Have you ever met Farakar?
[53:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
I have not.
[53:53]
Flip
Yo, wait, hold on.
[53:56]
Joe Budden
Going crazy.
[53:57]
Flip
Okay, okay, enough.
[53:59]
Parks
Shout out to Minister Farrakhan.
[54:00]
Flip
Enough. What I will say is this. I want that same grace extended if I shoot at you because the grace that you extended because he's a doctor cuz he got a PhD is getting ridiculous and I'm going to stop it.
[54:15]
Mark Lamont Hill
You were shooting at me for years.
[54:19]
Flip
So what?
[54:21]
Joe Budden
Stop.
[54:21]
Flip
Enough.
[54:22]
Joe Budden
If you're new out there. We always act up in front of company. We do. That's when we in front of family. That's when we graduated.
[54:31]
Parks
We can fight.
[54:33]
Joe Budden
It's a family that could walk to the fridge, but don't exactly know where everything is. Like your first time predictions on how this Joey Brayvon shit is gonna go free.
[54:47]
Ice
It seems like it's gonna keep go.
[54:48]
Melissa Ford
Yeah. More rapping.
[54:49]
Ice
Yeah.
[54:50]
Joe Budden
Who do y' all have up right now?
[54:51]
Ice
Joey.
[54:52]
Parks
Joey.
[54:52]
Ice
Although that ratio was hard.
[54:54]
Ray Daniels
I can't lie. That race only. I'm going say Joey. I mean, Ray is. Because I think he benefits way more from this moment than Joey does.
[55:01]
Ice
He's got a great.
[55:02]
Ray Daniels
Literally, he's like. He really killed that. Like, that was crazy.
[55:05]
Joe Budden
He did.
[55:07]
Melissa Ford
But just in terms of the bars, like, right now, I got Joey up home court advantage.
[55:11]
Ray Daniels
We in New York, we supposed.
[55:13]
Joe Budden
And that Ray Von album is incredible.
[55:14]
Ice
It really. It really is.
[55:15]
Joe Budden
Yeah, it is. I went back to take a listen. I ain't gonna hold you. He might. He might. I like where he stands just off the strength of that. Like, if you got a great product that you could direct people to in the middle, that's a great time to go get in the middle of a beef. Word. Especially with somebody that's gonna keep it going with you, right?
[55:33]
Ice
Yeah.
[55:34]
Parks
He ain't gonna ignore you and none of that.
[55:35]
Ray Daniels
And then young niggas could join, like you said. So, like, if it could be a little, it's opportunity. That's how it was back in the 2000s when everybody was beefing. You would see a somebody go at hov. You see a. That want to show Hobie with him, he's shooting back. It's like, that's the way.
[55:47]
Ice
Yeah.
[55:47]
Joe Budden
They didn't play like that with me back in the day just to make myself clear.
[55:50]
Ray Daniels
Because, Joe, you had a hit they didn't make.
[55:51]
Joe Budden
Nah, that ain't why. That ain't why I jumped on these boys asses out there. Pause. Yeah, I jumped on. I didn't leave no room for indirect direct. You, your camp, your man's. Everybody got it.
[56:06]
Melissa Ford
Joe responded to shit that he thought was about it. They weren't talking about you, though.
[56:13]
Ray Daniels
Hit me out, though. But when you a little. You see one of your. It's different. Different, Joe, I'm telling you, he hit, he got a hit. So not only is he dissing us, you up there. God damn. So, like, it becomes more valuable, the disc becomes more worthy. Because now it's like this has already got a hit every by the way everybody's trying to get a hit. So he had it. So he didn't have to. And you still did it. That's what made it more diabolical, I think.
[56:33]
Joe Budden
I ain't play with you back anyway.
[56:36]
Ray Daniels
You had to hit. He's like, you got the dad. Why you with us?
[56:39]
Joe Budden
But I like the synergy. I like the synergy in hip hop.
[56:41]
Ice
I love it.
[56:41]
Joe Budden
Me too. Do shout. Shout out to the old team.
[56:43]
Ice
Keep it cool, man.
[56:44]
Joe Budden
Keep it cool.
[56:45]
Melissa Ford
And it sound like they all want to keep it cool. That's the best part.
[56:47]
Joe Budden
I agree.
[56:48]
Ray Daniels
They know we talking about it. That's what they get. This is number one hip hop podcast. Talk. Talking about them day one. That's the whole point of it.
[56:54]
Melissa Ford
Not just hip hop. Shout out to the Golden Globes.
[56:57]
Ray Daniels
The number one. I'm sorry for disrespecting my fans.
[56:59]
Melissa Ford
There we go. All good.
[57:00]
Joe Budden
Or 49, depending on what chart you look at. Yo, I want to shout out the producers, though. Both of them beats.
[57:08]
Ice
Yeah, yeah.
[57:11]
Joe Budden
Yo, you have no idea how frustrating it is when you in the middle of a war with somebody and you go to producers for the beat packs and nothing is matching your vibe.
[57:19]
Flip
Yep.
[57:20]
Joe Budden
So for them to have beats in the tuck. Love it. Absolutely love it. Okay.
[57:26]
Parks
Joe, can I ask you a question?
[57:27]
Joe Budden
Sure you can.
[57:28]
Parks
I got here late.
[57:29]
Joe Budden
I know that you have been home. You don't trick me no more, buddy. I know you trying to line me up with whatever you saying right now.
[57:40]
Parks
I am absolutely not.
[57:41]
Joe Budden
This is an honest question.
[57:43]
Parks
No, but it's not. The lineup's coming later. Okay. Yeah. This was a basketball question. Did you start. I came here late. Did you start the show?
[57:50]
Mark Lamont Hill
No.
[57:51]
Parks
With a whole bit.
[57:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
Nope.
[57:52]
Flip
No.
[57:53]
Mark Lamont Hill
Nothing?
[57:53]
Melissa Ford
No nothing.
[57:55]
Parks
Y' all let that go? Y' all let that go?
[57:57]
Flip
Yeah, we did.
[57:58]
Parks
So can we at least address the elephant in the room?
[58:01]
Joe Budden
Room?
[58:02]
Parks
Cause we had to sit through like 30 minutes of shut the fuck up. Everybody mute up all that shit. Can you please speak to your punk ass New York Knicks right now?
[58:12]
Joe Budden
Ray's also a Knick fan.
[58:13]
Ray Daniels
Oh, my God. I know. He's going in your Philadelphia 7.
[58:15]
Parks
Everybody who shit the bed should shut the fuck up right now. Everybody whose team had a chance to go to the Eastern finals and didn't do shit should shut the fuck up right now.
[58:24]
Ray Daniels
You're right.
[58:25]
Parks
Everybody who watched Jayson Tatum injured and the Boston Celtics completely hobbled and all they had to do was beat a terrible ass broke ass team and go to the Eastern finals, but didn't do.
[58:38]
Ray Daniels
Should shut the fuck up right now.
[58:40]
Parks
That's what should happen right now. Is that right, your button? Is that right, your button, Joe Button? It's Mark Lamont Hill, pussy.
[58:48]
Joe Budden
Exactly.
[58:52]
Parks
What's that name that red point for the Celtics.
[58:55]
Joe Budden
He don't even start Bob Koozie.
[58:57]
Parks
Might as well have been Bob Koozie running around y' all asses. Y' all gave 34 to a that.
[59:01]
Ray Daniels
Had four last game.
[59:03]
Parks
How the that happened, Joe Button? How the that happened, Joe Button?
[59:07]
Joe Budden
Well, Mike, Jack, what happened to Nixon 5?
[59:10]
Parks
What happened to Nixon 5? You said Nixon 5. You said Nixon 5.
[59:16]
Joe Budden
We wanted to end it in 6. We want to end it at home. We want to end it at home.
[59:22]
Ray Daniels
Watch your mouth.
[59:22]
Joe Budden
How you going? How you going to end it at home?
[59:25]
Ray Daniels
How you going to end it at.
[59:26]
Parks
Home when this nigga's going to the game?
[59:28]
Mark Lamont Hill
He's not, though.
[59:28]
Melissa Ford
He not.
[59:29]
Joe Budden
He's not. Oh, we're not going to the game.
[59:33]
Parks
The fat Josen work.
[59:34]
Joe Budden
Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 6.
[59:36]
Ray Daniels
Watch your mouth, dog.
[59:39]
Flip
You can't even sit in the button seats.
[59:41]
Parks
Oh, let's get it. I'm working on Friday. Let's talk. Let's talk.
[59:47]
Joe Budden
We want to end it at home.
[59:49]
Flip
That's all I know.
[59:50]
Parks
Oh, you. It's going to end up New York.
[59:54]
Flip
We want ended on the field. 25 years been ended tonight.
[60:00]
Joe Budden
Period.
[60:01]
Ray Daniels
That talk to you, cuz. He a doctor.
[60:03]
Flip
He from Philly.
[60:05]
Ray Daniels
He from Philly.
[60:06]
Melissa Ford
The house is in a kiss.
[60:08]
Ray Daniels
We got grass.
[60:09]
Joe Budden
We got gr.
[60:11]
Flip
You got the train in the street. My Philly king earner leak. Mo, I love you, but they still.
[60:17]
Joe Budden
Got the train tracks in the street.
[60:19]
Flip
And the horses.
[60:20]
Melissa Ford
We patched that do got the horses out, please.
[60:23]
Parks
New York, man.
[60:24]
Flip
Brooklyn, Staten Island.
[60:26]
Ray Daniels
Talk to this Joe.
[60:27]
Parks
He can't say.
[60:30]
Ray Daniels
Tonight, the game. Tonight, the game being played.
[60:33]
Joe Budden
M check, mic check. 12, 12. Pardon me, pardon me, pardon me. Don't be.
[60:40]
Melissa Ford
Shutting the up.
[60:41]
Joe Budden
Don't be distracted by the voices of of fans of lottery teams. You guys should be out scouting high schools and colleges right now. Y' all have the third pick, and you ruined all your other picks.
[60:54]
Parks
Shout out to Ace Bailey.
[60:55]
Joe Budden
Yo, real quick. I'm a Knick fan for a long time, so I'm not going to manipulate the airwaves and jinx my squad. I want to continue to have a healthy respect for our opponent. But we haven't closed out a series in the Garden in 25 years. And with this golden opportunity, up 3, 2. Against the defending champions.
[61:27]
Parks
Oh, now they defending champions.
[61:28]
Ray Daniels
They Are, Aren't they?
[61:30]
Parks
When he was kicking, kicking the ass this week, they was the worst team ever.
[61:35]
Joe Budden
Pardon me, pardon me, pardon me.
[61:37]
Parks
Forgive me, sir.
[61:37]
Joe Budden
I'll mute up now that we have a chance to close out the defending champions right there on 7th Avenue in front of all of the great Knicks, in front of the Dolan's, the Kardashians, the Joes, both Joe's, Fat Joe and Joe, buddy. The Joes. You know, I mean, we won't be able to see the game by way the time this comes out, but I anticipate that we close out right now. Kristas Porzingis should be getting some steroid shots or something to help him with his breathing. I know he's had trouble. We want him to be well. Tatum is our brother. He had the surgery. We want him to be well. If you Celtic fans are hanging your hat on the Lou Cornett game where he had eight blocks and eight points, eight assists, or the Derrick White game.
[62:29]
Parks
34, right?
[62:30]
Joe Budden
34. Then we'll see. I like our chances. I think the Knicks are the better team and I do anticipate we close out the defending champions tonight.
[62:41]
Parks
What happened to all that? Nixon 5. That.
[62:43]
Joe Budden
Oh, Nixon 6.
[62:44]
Parks
No, no, no. But the question is, what happened with all that? You talked all that. Y' all supposed to go on Boston be. How'd y' all shit to bed this bad?
[62:52]
Joe Budden
Sleep. Sleepy.
[62:52]
Parks
Sleepy, sleepy.
[62:54]
Joe Budden
So much traveling with the playoff schedule, being every other day, right? Sleepy, tired. Some was fighting with their girls, some girls went through their iPad and, you know, I mean, before you had to.
[63:05]
Flip
Go to the iPad, had to have.
[63:07]
Joe Budden
A little fight, you mean? You never know. Some people just sleepy. But I think we'll be fine. I think we'll be fine.
[63:13]
Melissa Ford
Hey, Mark, we Sixes fans, you know that though, right?
[63:15]
Parks
I know, but we got.
[63:17]
Melissa Ford
Sometimes we got. I shut the up.
[63:19]
Parks
I took it last game.
[63:21]
Melissa Ford
No, we still gotta shut up.
[63:22]
Parks
So if they lose again, you still ain't gonna talk shit.
[63:24]
Ray Daniels
I can't.
[63:25]
Parks
We can't talk shit if they get eliminated. You gonna talk shit to who?
[63:28]
Melissa Ford
We ain't get there.
[63:29]
Parks
See, that don't mean nothing to me. I'm good.
[63:31]
Ray Daniels
He gonna talk his shit only.
[63:33]
Parks
Cause he is. I chalked it. I think he lost the best for him this year. I. I took the L. But now you can't talk this crazy about the Knicks. And then they. They shit the bed, you don't say nothing.
[63:41]
Joe Budden
And the subway series starts in New York this week, and New York should be. Be absolutely on fire this week. Yes, yes. To be honest with you.
[63:47]
Flip
Oh, my God.
[63:47]
Ice
And the Jersey transit straight. God, they whoop my ass in the way in here today.
[63:52]
Joe Budden
Really?
[63:53]
Parks
Wow.
[63:53]
Ice
Traffic was horrible.
[63:54]
Flip
Yeah, horrible.
[63:55]
Parks
That's why traffic was so crazy. I was in Brooklyn. I was coming. That explains it.
[63:59]
Joe Budden
That driving.
[64:00]
Parks
Now there's a rumor that you're not going to the game.
[64:04]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, didn't.
[64:05]
Parks
I thought you bought game game six tickets.
[64:07]
Joe Budden
I did. I did.
[64:08]
Parks
What happened, sir?
[64:10]
Mark Lamont Hill
Giving them to his dad.
[64:10]
Parks
You share. Can you share with the crowd or is that. Is it private?
[64:13]
Joe Budden
I mean, right. The session.
[64:15]
Parks
One thing you can't say, jump his ass.
[64:17]
Melissa Ford
If he went to that game and they. They lose, he not going to make it out.
[64:19]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[64:20]
Parks
You might be the least popular Nick fan ever. If they lose.
[64:22]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[64:23]
Melissa Ford
You got to stay home.
[64:23]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Gave the tickets to my dad and his wife.
[64:26]
Parks
Oh, I like that.
[64:28]
Melissa Ford
That's dope.
[64:28]
Ice
I mean, philanthropy.
[64:29]
Joe Budden
Let. Let them experience. Experience Rock glizzies and stuff. Playoff atmosphere in the Garden. Mean shout out to you.
[64:36]
Flip
Good man.
[64:37]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Yeah.
[64:37]
Flip
Smart.
[64:38]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[64:38]
Flip
Yeah, man.
[64:39]
Joe Budden
Somebody here got to keep in touch with their dad.
[64:41]
Ice
That's someone who's rooting for the next.
[64:42]
Joe Budden
Thank you. Somebody on this broadcast gotta keep a healthy relationship with their father.
[64:49]
Flip
Wait, hold on.
[64:50]
Joe Budden
So. All right.
[64:52]
Melissa Ford
I hit him on jpeg.
[64:54]
Joe Budden
We good.
[64:56]
Parks
If you do J. I hit him.
[64:58]
Joe Budden
We good. Go do that, man.
[64:59]
Melissa Ford
Load low pop 300 max.
[65:01]
Joe Budden
Free pop. Free pop. Free pop of ice.
[65:03]
Flip
Good man.
[65:06]
Melissa Ford
Pops is straight.
[65:07]
Joe Budden
All right, it's time for my favorite part of the show. And Mark, we getting back to Mark's jokes too. I don't want people to think we stepping on the jokes. Yes. Let all the jokes fly. But what's the thing? Oh, time. My favorite part of the show.
[65:20]
Parks
Prize pick.
[65:22]
Joe Budden
All right. Prize picks is the best place to turn your sports knowledge into real cash money. With millions of members, prize picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all. Real easy and simple to play. All you have to do is pick more or less on at least two players for a chance to win. Now, up to 2,000 times your cash. So run your game all season long with prize picks and let's see picks for the week. Since ish is out, I'm going all game seven. Game seven Denver OKC is Sunday. Give me joker for everything. Whatever you want to do, do it. Whether that's points, whether that's points, rebounds, assists. Give me Joker and SGA for everything. In a battle of MVPs, the league should make it really interesting and announce the MVP right after the game or before the game or before the game?
[66:17]
Parks
I would if before that one. Joker just go nuts.
[66:20]
Melissa Ford
Take it personal.
[66:21]
Parks
Take it personal right now.
[66:22]
Joe Budden
Who do y' all have winning the mvp? Since I'm, since I'm here. I know you're a big Joker guy.
[66:25]
Parks
I think SJ is going to. It's a narrative thing.
[66:27]
Ray Daniels
Yeah. The narrative is SJA should win. But Jokic, he won three years already and this is his best year. This year is better than all three of those years by far. So technically he should have it. But the NBA follows stories. The story matters to them. So it's SGA time.
[66:39]
Ice
It should.
[66:40]
Ray Daniels
By the way, by the way, they need SGA because Jokic is a huge star, but he's not marketable. Like as great as he is, he's not like sga at least got some sauce to him. So I think the NBA needs him to be the face right now. At least right now.
[66:51]
Joe Budden
I like the new swag Movement. Movement in league. Pause. But sga and like you just looking at with some sauce out there. So I do like that. And some people believe that shot should have got it. One of them years that Joker got it.
[67:05]
Ray Daniels
Exactly.
[67:06]
Parks
Yeah, they tripping on that. But I, I, but I get it. Joker's just doing. That's unprecedented. I just never seen anybody play basketball.
[67:13]
Ray Daniels
The most unique basketball player I've ever seen in my. I can't believe that he does what he does. Like he Shaq size and just shoots.
[67:17]
Melissa Ford
Like it's crazy for the evolution of the game itself and the evolution of an athlete. You know what I'm saying?
[67:23]
Joe Budden
For sure.
[67:23]
Melissa Ford
That's all, that's.
[67:24]
Parks
Some of it's the era.
[67:25]
Melissa Ford
Yeah.
[67:26]
Parks
Some of it is the era. But I think about like Arvida Sabonis and people back in the day who had these unique skill sets. If they played in this era, they would look very different, you know what I mean? If Giannis played back. You know, it's an age old argument, but I think you're right. I think some of it is just the era. But watching him play, making. I've just never seen anybody pass the ball other than maybe Sabonis and a few other guys from that, from that position like he does.
[67:45]
Joe Budden
I don't fuck with him really because I like my center to be a center and he's. And he's a guard. He's a point guard.
[67:51]
Melissa Ford
It's over for that, Joe.
[67:52]
Parks
Yeah, he's a point guard.
[67:53]
Melissa Ford
What centers are centers now?
[67:55]
Joe Budden
Plenty of centers are centers. Look at the remaining teams in the league. The Knicks with Mitchell Robinson. Go. Every team, every team remaining has a center. The Chasers have a center. Cleveland had a center. Even though they out of here, everybody remaining has a center. So there's some talks about that coming back. The big man.
[68:12]
Ice
I hope so.
[68:13]
Joe Budden
Some teams are playing. Some teams are playing double bigs.
[68:15]
Melissa Ford
I would love for that to come back, man. Yeah, but I watch basketball again, if that comes back.
[68:20]
Joe Budden
Yeah, OKC is playing double bigs.
[68:22]
Ice
True.
[68:23]
Ray Daniels
Two seven footers.
[68:24]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Come on.
[68:25]
Ice
Although Chet plays a little more, but.
[68:28]
Ray Daniels
He'S a seven footer, he can still go in the paint and block a shot.
[68:30]
Ice
Yeah, true.
[68:31]
Ray Daniels
You can still.
[68:32]
Joe Budden
And give me, give me.
[68:35]
Parks
J.
[68:36]
Joe Budden
Will give me Jay Williams off the Thunder since he had a horrible game last game. Game. And they're home now. Game seven. Give me him. From what? Whatever his points are. That's what I'm rolling with. That's how I'm feeling. That's going to be a really good game on Sunday. If you download the app right this second prize picks and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. I repeat, if you download prize picks right this second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Sign up and it changes my conversations at the end of my prize piece contract. So good luck to all participants out there and run your game. All right. All right with that? Nah, I need that jvp.
[69:21]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[69:23]
Joe Budden
Spotify just Spotify said we was hacked. Nigga, we ain't got none of that shit. They got that shit.
[69:28]
Melissa Ford
None of them numbers.
[69:29]
Joe Budden
Okay. Tossing it to our. Tossing it to our girl. Yeah, hold us down, big man.
[69:37]
Ice
Gracie, Gracie, Gracie.
[69:38]
Joe Budden
Big Gracie Award winning. Show them why you got that Gracie Award.
[69:41]
Ray Daniels
Gracie Award winning mail.
[69:43]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay, so today marks the fifth day of Sean Diddy Combs trial. Cassie is still on the witness stand. This, I believe, is her third day testifying. And she's been handed over from the prosecution to the defense. So they've been really just kind of like hammering home certain points, you know? Yes, we admit he's an abusive piece of shit. However, the charges are. Sorry, what are the charges? The charges are. Sorry. Racketeering, transportation to engage in prostitution and sex trafficking. So they're trying to say that one doesn't equal the other. The one thing that I want to, you know, kind of highlight is how consistent she has been with her testimony. It's been very. She's been delivering her testimony with very. With. With a very Just the facts, ma' am. Kind of tonality, which I think is really important because obviously the questions that she's being asked, she's being asked to relive trauma and she's being asked to read text messages that seemingly contradict her claims. And she's still doing it in a very succinct, very matter of fact manner.
[70:58]
Joe Budden
First and foremost, doing it while. Eight and a half hours.
[71:02]
Mark Lamont Hill
I was about to say that. So the prosecution has now brought up a point to the judge and they said this last night. They said that the defense is purposefully asking redundant questions over and over and over again to try to see if she won't go into labor, which will then, you know, a mistrial will have to be called.
[71:23]
Joe Budden
I call 100% cap on that. If there's one team that does not want her to go into labor, it's the defense team. I think the defense feels that she is pivotal, like vital to whatever it is they need to prove the most. Probably. I think they've said she's the most important person in the case that we're trying to present. Yeah, I don't think they want her to go into labor.
[71:43]
Parks
And I think. I think we saw that in the cross examination yesterday. Because what she read in the cross examination, because like you said, they forced her to read the text out loud. I think at the very least they want to rattle her. Because if you're rattled, you're not gonna do as well in the chair.
[71:55]
Joe Budden
That's the idea.
[71:56]
Ray Daniels
Right.
[71:56]
Parks
But some of the stuff she had to read out loud, particularly the one from August 2009, when Puff asked her when she wanted the next sex encounter to be. And she replied, I'm always ready to freak off.
[72:12]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay.
[72:12]
Parks
And then two days later, she sent him an explicit message. She wrote back, he liked it. And then she responded, me too. I just want it to be uncontrollable. And so the defense is going to try to say that that's evidence that there was no coercion, that there was no control, that she just is a freak like him and they doing freaky shit and whatever else is going on. There's no charge there with that. And the prosecution's gonna have to prove that despite those texts there was coercion or because of those texts there was coercion, like she had to. That kind of stuff. So that's a battle. So I agree. I think the prosecution, I mean, the defense wants Cassie in that chair. That's the easiest. It's gonna be hard. Cause we know Dawn Richard is gonna hit the stand next.
[72:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
And so Aubrey O.J.
[72:57]
Parks
Aubrey.
[72:57]
Joe Budden
Aubrey O' Day.
[72:58]
Ray Daniels
And the men, they gonna come for blood.
[73:00]
Parks
Yeah, they know. And they kind of know what they're getting there. But Cassie's the most vulnerable for this because she's the one who's been there the longest. Right. And it's harder to.
[73:08]
Mark Lamont Hill
And she sets the stage for everything.
[73:09]
Parks
Absolutely.
[73:10]
Mark Lamont Hill
You know, she's the one that was triggered everything.
[73:12]
Ray Daniels
She triggered the whole thing.
[73:13]
Mark Lamont Hill
She did, she did, she did. And so, you know, there's a term that keeps coming up right now, and it's Stockholm syndrome. And I think that it's applicable in this kind of situation. It's dependent on what you believe. And apparently there is a lot of protesting going on at the courthouse right now. It is a madhouse. Media protesters on both sides of the aisle. It's complete and total chaos down there. There's people chanting in support of Diddy. There's people who are chanting in support of, you know, their pursuit of justice, whatever that looks like. But it's just literally like what you believe. Do you believe that she's a victim and that she figured out a long time ago, based on his enforcers, his enforcement of the imprisoned life that she was forced to lead, that she just said some things to get along because. Because you want to make your captor happy, you don't want to piss them off kind of thing.
[74:15]
Joe Budden
They named a lot of times where she wasn't captive, though.
[74:20]
Mark Lamont Hill
I think that what people need to understand of what captivity actually looks like, because captivity is not just physical, especially if you've been abused for a really long amount of time. There is an erosion of your sense of. Of free will.
[74:37]
Joe Budden
I agree.
[74:38]
Parks
I mean, look at kidnapped kids. Sometimes they get sent to the store, they come back to the kidnapping. They don't run. They go back home again.
[74:43]
Joe Budden
Okay, I wanna let the audience know from this point forward, you might hear an opinion that contrasts from you guys.
[74:50]
Ray Daniels
Absolutely.
[74:51]
Mark Lamont Hill
There should be.
[74:52]
Joe Budden
I just wanna let people know.
[74:54]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[74:54]
Joe Budden
So it's difficult to say that what y' all are saying when she eventually ended up not only escaping, but escaping with one of the handlers and paid with Puff's credit card.
[75:05]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay.
[75:06]
Joe Budden
It's tough to paint you as someone that was trapped when we're gonna throw all these instances where you seemingly were away and you left for good. So if you were able to leave for good at one point, then what happened at all these other points of exit?
[75:23]
Mark Lamont Hill
I can't speak on what.
[75:25]
Joe Budden
And again, neither am I. I'm not inserting my opinion of this, like Mel said, this is gonna come down to well so far because I do think, I do think that the feds are gonna prove their case. Like let me, let me start with. Not only do I think the feds are gonna prove their case, but I think that the requirement, the standard is so low for what they have to prove. They may have already proven it. I wanna say that. But I don't think Cassie looked the greatest during cross. So this comes down to, do you believe that she was being sex trafficked or do you believe that she was in an abusive, drug infested, toxic relationship?
[76:03]
Melissa Ford
I think.
[76:04]
Joe Budden
Go ahead.
[76:05]
Melissa Ford
I think it is the sex trafficked part. Part of it being because she was his employee, not just his girl. So that I'm controlling your finance.
[76:14]
Joe Budden
There's the coercion part.
[76:16]
Melissa Ford
I'm paying you. We went over the definitions, the three things that have to be be hit for it to be sex trafficking. One of them being a commercial sex act. There is the hiring of the escorts and transporting them in or to wherever they were. So that is that part. The coercion is if I am in control of basically your money, I got you under contract. You can't do this, you can't do that. As far as your music goes and I'm paying you. There is some level of control there which could lead to the coercion point. So I think they got him already on this part.
[76:58]
Joe Budden
Personally, I can't hear you. No. You're saying that Flip.
[77:02]
Flip
First and foremost, I want to say that what didn't work in Cassie's favor is Puff Lawyer Esteevo, I think that's her name.
[77:11]
Joe Budden
Name.
[77:12]
Flip
She was extremely gentle with Cassie.
[77:15]
Joe Budden
Right?
[77:15]
Flip
Extremely. And they shared laughs and understanding. I think that may work in the favor of Puff, you know, because the lawyer. Because a lot of lawyers, they come and they try to hammer you down and force you to answer questions. So she was gentle with her and they got on the same accord. But also what I think is that when I listen to this or read on it, like Joe said, Cassie has gotten away a couple of times to even get into a couple of different relationships. Even when she was with Kid Cudi, she still reached out to Puff and was talking about she wants to participate in freak off. So these things right now are, I don't want to say smoking gun, but contradicts what the feds are saying or the accusations. You know, some of the accusations. Mel, do you agree?
[77:57]
Mark Lamont Hill
Well, I just want to make a point to say that there have Been times where actual kidnapped victims like Elizabeth, Elizabeth Smart, where her captor allows her to like go to the store or be out in public. You know what I'm saying? Like this is somebody who.
[78:11]
Flip
But she wasn't kidnapped.
[78:12]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, I'm using an extreme example to demonstrate because everybody keeps saying, well, she got away at times. Do you know what the statistics say about domestic violence victims? How long it takes for them to actually leave for good? It's usually about six to seven times to six to seven different attempts and they end up going back. And there's a whole psychology that discusses why do victims keep on going back to their abusers or their captors? And I don't think that the vast majority of us are in a position to even discuss this because we just don't have that amount of.
[78:49]
Joe Budden
See, but that's where the divide is.
[78:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
And I understand that.
[78:53]
Joe Budden
I'm with you. Slow down. Because I see you getting your. I see you.
[78:56]
Ray Daniels
No, no, no. I'm just.
[78:57]
Joe Budden
I see it happening. I see it. Come on, slow it down. We talked. We talked before.
[79:01]
Mark Lamont Hill
Oh, I'm fine. I promise.
[79:03]
Flip
She's all right. She got it.
[79:04]
Joe Budden
What I'm saying is that's where the line is, right? Like everything you just said is 100% valid. Do you believe that anything that has to do with Cassie's participation falls under the. Like you said, Stockholm's Florida. She was Stockholm. She was young. She was trauma versus the people that believe that she played more of a part and is not just a victim in this.
[79:37]
Mark Lamont Hill
I fall on the side of the former. I fall on the side of the former that she was young. Because I think it was the defense asked her. Do you feel like at the age of 22 that you were, you know, that you were of course, fully, you know, formed and consenting adult and whatever the case is. And she apparently kind of looked up and said no. And I think that it's just the side that I'm on. I just, I believe.
[80:01]
Joe Budden
See, I call cap on that.
[80:03]
Ray Daniels
Okay.
[80:04]
Joe Budden
And for the. Listen, I'm not a legal attorney, so the shit that I'm saying is not. I'm not speaking to what ramifications. So tell me about things will happen in court.
[80:14]
Mark Lamont Hill
What's capable of about that.
[80:19]
Joe Budden
There's the flip side of that that says some of these 22 year olds know exactly what they're doing and getting themselves into and they, they sought that out shit. I'll go as far as to say that some of these 22 year olds are led there by their parents. Even like we saw that in R. Kelly case.
[80:37]
Flip
So.
[80:37]
Joe Budden
So this duality here is all I'm saying. I'm not in certain where I stand or nothing because it's all sensitive.
[80:42]
Mark Lamont Hill
Well, in R. Kelly, I mean, like they were children, they were under the age of consent, so. And their parents served them up on a fucking platform.
[80:49]
Ray Daniels
That's the biggest difference between R. Kelly.
[80:50]
Mark Lamont Hill
That is the hugest difference. But also, we sat up here a few weeks ago and talked about Draya and Jalen Green, who is, what, I don't know, 22 years old or something like that, and basically said he is a child. She's the adult in this situation and she should know better. So we're. We can't have both ways.
[81:09]
Joe Budden
Well, I'm not a goalpost.
[81:10]
Mark Lamont Hill
Puff can't have it both ways.
[81:11]
Joe Budden
Wait, Puff is all of the things they say he is.
[81:13]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yes.
[81:14]
Joe Budden
My conversation about Cassie is not to negate what he is. He is a manipulator, an abuser. And yeah, all of those things that we said about Draya are in play here still. You're dating. Yeah. And much more. You're dating a younger girl. You know what you're doing. You know what time it is over there.
[81:29]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[81:29]
Joe Budden
So.
[81:30]
Mark Lamont Hill
And when you are. When you are a man of Puff stature, fame, power, influence, wealth, and you got a 19 year old girl who now at this point, you know, she's talking, they've graduated to the point of her being 22. I think that during those ages there was a lot of manipulation and just kind of like. And grooming. And I know, you know, that happened during those years to where, like I said, you know, some prisons don't look like prisons to other people, but there's a reason why they're called gilded cages.
[82:02]
Melissa Ford
And hold on, hold on. Which is that there's the other part of he's doing things and getting away with it. So like, cool. I get away. She fucking with Kid Cudi. Okay, Boom. You blow the car up and there's no repercussion at all that could scare the shit out of somebody. Like, you know what if he can get away with it, what the fuck could he do to me and know and just walk away scot free.
[82:22]
Mark Lamont Hill
There's a reason why it took 30 years to take down fucking Harvey Weinstein. 30 years. Because you start to see that there is absolutely no consequences to the actions that this person has perpetrated. And they are illegal and they are. They. Well, they can kill people.
[82:39]
Joe Budden
Okay, well, I want to read to y' all because I Just want to present all sides. And y' all, of course, of course I'm gonna read y' all what Willie D had to say because, I mean, I enjoy Willie D. I absolutely love Willie, my brother.
[82:55]
Parks
Shout out to Willie D.
[83:00]
Joe Budden
Willie D says, I know some of you are about to be tight over what I'm about to say, but I'll take my chances. See, Willie D is brave in the niggas already. He jumping out there, but that's why I fuck with him. I don't have a dog in the fight. But using Cassie's youth as a blanket excuse for the choices she made during her decade long relationship with Diddy is problematic because it removes the necessary element of accountability without which no one learns or grows. Diddy and Cassie is a cautionary tale from men who use their money and power to abuse others. On the flip side, it tells young women who will come after Cassie. No matter what you get yourself into and who gets hurt. As long as you are young, you won't be held accountable. By her own admission, she stayed not out of fear fear, but because she didn't want another woman to take her place. Cassie is not some helpless victim. She is a savvy, home wrecking opportunist who left Ryan Leslie for Diddy knowing he was with Kim Porter simply to upgrade her lifestyle, turning both Kim and Ryan into collateral damage. And let's not forget the kids. In court, she testified that she enjoyed the freak offs, just not as often as Diddy did. She ultimately left him for the trainer he paid for, tried to blackmail him for 30 million, and when that failed, sued him and walked away with 20 million. Now that she's the prosecution star witness trying to bury him. Yes, Diddy was abusive and should have been punished for it. But let's not pretend Cassie didn't cash in after every black. No, I don't feel comfortable saying that. I don't feel comfortable reading the last slide of that.
[84:43]
Ice
Some of the kind of to get the gist of. But I think the main thing that's important is that Cassie is not on trial.
[84:48]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah, that's the other thing.
[84:50]
Parks
And I think he's wrong about all of that. I think we have to start from there, right? Cassie's not on trial.
[84:56]
Mark Lamont Hill
And also the term homewrecker. I'm just like, why does the onus always put on the woman?
[85:02]
Parks
There's so many things and I love Willie Dee, but I just, I have to disagree with him on a few of those things. One, I don't think holding people accountable for the harm they caused me means that the victims don't have accountability to is just not the point. If I were to. You got that very expensive chain on. If you were to walk through a really terrible neighborhood at 3am unarmed by yourself with that chain on, you might get robbed.
[85:25]
Ray Daniels
I know not to do it right.
[85:27]
Parks
But when you get robbed, yeah, I would say to you you made some bad choices. But that doesn't negate the fact that the person who. You should be able to do that.
[85:35]
Ray Daniels
Mark, you actually helping. I have been quiet in this, but you actually helping the other side, you don't even see it.
[85:40]
Joe Budden
I agree with that.
[85:40]
Ray Daniels
You're really helping the other side. Because I know I shouldn't be out in the hood at three in the morning with my chains on.
[85:47]
Parks
But why? Because there's predators there.
[85:49]
Ray Daniels
But here's the problem. No, but here's the problem. Here's the real issue. The real issue is how.
[85:52]
Parks
Don't lose that point.
[85:52]
Ray Daniels
Okay? No, I'm about to tell you, I'm about to answer that. The way men see the world and the way women see the world, Right. So the way men see the world. If you're my woman, I'm going to be like, yo, babe, don't wear that because I know how men are. Now you'll say that's not how men are supposed to be. They shouldn't be that way. But men are smart enough to know that that's not how. Not the way the world works. Just because you wear you. Yeah, I should be able to wear my chain everywhere, but I'm smart enough to know where the wolves are, right? So my thing is when you lay with wolves, you kind of. You almost got to know you laying with a wolf.
[86:17]
Parks
So, so my.
[86:18]
Melissa Ford
Hold on, hold on. But to your point, what if you didn't know that right.
[86:20]
Parks
And that's part of where the 19.
[86:21]
Ray Daniels
Well, you didn't know what.
[86:22]
Melissa Ford
And that's part to not wear your chain there. There's. What if you didn't grow up anywhere near the hood, don't know nothing about robbery, nothing like that. But you watched TV and saw a chain and got chain.
[86:33]
Ray Daniels
Yep.
[86:33]
Melissa Ford
And now you wearing it somewhere where somebody with some comp with some street in the sense would know not to wear that there. But you don't know because you're not from there. Never been there.
[86:41]
Ray Daniels
And when we see them because you're.
[86:42]
Melissa Ford
Young and inexperienced in that life and guess what happens.
[86:44]
Ray Daniels
Usually somebody says yo, you know where you at? Put that chain away. You know.
[86:47]
Melissa Ford
Oh, you know what Else they say, let me get that chain.
[86:49]
Ray Daniels
That's my point exactly. You're right. That's right, too.
[86:51]
Flip
Those are chances.
[86:52]
Parks
But at the end of the day, the point is you should live in a we we. The ideal world isn't one where you hide from the predators, is one where there aren't predators. And in this case, I just feel like, again, I might. If Cassidy with my sister, my mom might be like, yo, that's a bad situation to get into. All true. But at the end of the day, the question is, did he do harm? But. And the second thing. And I want you to jump in. I just want to just finish this thought real quick. The second thing, though, to me is that doesn't necessarily mean that the legal standard for the crime in this case was met. Right.
[87:21]
Ray Daniels
That's my only concern.
[87:23]
Parks
Yeah. Which I agree. I agree. So. So that's where it comes down to trusting Cassie's word or Diddy's. But what I don't want us to do is to believe that because someone came back home because someone didn't run at the first sight, because someone enjoyed a freak off, that that means necessarily that they weren't being captive. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't mean they were.
[87:46]
Ray Daniels
But how, though?
[87:47]
Parks
The example that I gave, that Mel gave it, is that lots of people who are victims of things end up developing a psychological condition where they stay again, children get kidnapped, they get brought to a whole new city. They know they have other parents, and if the kidnapper saves them long enough, they can send them to the store and the kid will come back.
[88:02]
Ray Daniels
That's true.
[88:03]
Parks
Slaves enslaved people will literally leave a plantation and then go back or be afraid to leave. Doesn't mean slavery wasn't bad. That's true. So all I'm saying is, like, I'm not saying that we know everything happened in Cassie and Diddy's house. I'm just saying that I wouldn't assume that because she stayed along time that that's proof that Diddy didn't do it.
[88:20]
Flip
Mark, real quick. You just stated that Cassie is not on trial here.
[88:25]
Joe Budden
Right?
[88:26]
Flip
That's what you said. But on the flip hand, is that the stuff that Diddy is being accused of? He's the. The stuff that he's on trial for does not fit the circumstances right now. And what's being said, that's my only problem.
[88:37]
Parks
That does, though.
[88:39]
Joe Budden
That's why them. Because that's not on trial.
[88:42]
Flip
He's not on trial for being a manipulator. He's on trial for sex trafficking and whatever the other.
[88:52]
Joe Budden
If I'm looking from Puffs pov, y' all are saying, I sex trafficked my.
[88:55]
Ray Daniels
Girl who I'm supposed to take care of.
[88:57]
Joe Budden
This is my girlfriend, yo, yo. And I know that it's easy to paint Puff as the monster. He's done a great job of it himself, but Nobody is that 100% of the time. Part of his manipulation and bullshit is the charm. And all of that, all of that that goes along with. So what do you do when Puff's attorney is saying there were times where he was fully functional on the drugs and you kept going?
[89:23]
Ice
To be clear.
[89:23]
Joe Budden
Let me finish. What do you do when the Puff's attorney is saying, hey, there were times when Puff was urging you that we can't freak off. You have a role that you have to get ready for. We can't do this. And you would have purpose that continued and urged this to go on. Like, it's not just the picture that y' all are painting. And again, it falls on which side you believe. Do you believe that he was sex trafficking Cassie? And again, I think that they gonna get him with the next few. I just don't think. I just don't think they did a great job with Cassie.
[89:57]
Ice
For clarity, for my sake, and for the listener's sake, isn't most of the sex trafficking not regarding her being sex trafficked, but the prostitutes and other people.
[90:06]
Mark Lamont Hill
That were being brought in sets the stage because she was there and present for and also instructed and having sex with them and having sex with them and instructed to, quote, unquote, purchase them. You know, purchase their time.
[90:16]
Ray Daniels
You know, all we talking about is their sexual moments. And this is a RICO trial. If this is a domestic violence trial or a state trial, I wouldn't care all the time.
[90:25]
Mark Lamont Hill
Because I think. I think here's why it matters.
[90:28]
Parks
Here's why it's relevant. And I agree. The domestic abuse as such is not on trial.
[90:33]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[90:34]
Parks
But the problem is when you're trying sex trafficking because of those elements of coercion or fraud or force, yes, you need to establish. You have to establish how you're using force and how you're coercing somebody. And that's where saying, well, he's beating the shit out of me, and if I don't do it, he's gonna beat the shit out of me again. When people get trafficked in other countries, that's often it's the fear that they take your green card or your documentation, but it's Also the fear that they'll cut you or shoot you or beat you. So the fear of violence is a form of enforcement of sexual sex trafficking. And so I think y' all are right in the implicit point y' all are making. I agree with you. Which is the pros. The prosecution is not just using it for that purpose, but they're trying to make the jury just. They want the jury to prosecute Puff for being a monster. Not for the particular crime, but they do have a legitimate.
[91:18]
Joe Budden
And they're doing a great job at that. Yes, they're doing a great job at just this guy's a piece of shit. Convict him off that.
[91:24]
Ray Daniels
That's what it really is.
[91:25]
Joe Budden
Like, we shouldn't need anything more.
[91:26]
Parks
That's true. But it just so happens that his piece of shit happens due are relevant for the guy.
[91:30]
Ray Daniels
But what he's doing he was supposed to do like, that's my woman. I'm going to put my girls right there. I'm going to give her money and we going be. It's like, am I sex trafficking now? Like, if she's mad at me, that's where it reads.
[91:41]
Joe Budden
They talking in court. Like, they talking in court language. Which is why I'm letting it rock. I'm talking on.
[91:47]
Flip
Yeah, yeah.
[91:49]
Joe Budden
It is relevant in and Parks.
[91:53]
Ray Daniels
Exactly.
[91:54]
Joe Budden
It is relevant that she was with Ryan legend Leslie prior to ever meeting do And y' all saying she's not on trial, but she kind of is because her behavior in the past is relevant to what happens with this man's future.
[92:06]
Mark Lamont Hill
How so?
[92:07]
Parks
How so? Just say more. I'm not following. How so?
[92:10]
Joe Budden
They painting her as a fast little hussy.
[92:12]
Parks
Got it. That's what you're saying.
[92:14]
Joe Budden
They paint her as somebody that maybe didn't have shit. Didn't have no way of ever having shit.
[92:20]
Parks
I see what you're saying.
[92:21]
Joe Budden
And saw a powerful man was attracted to that left the she was with deaded him and went and signed up for all this maybe not knowing what she was getting into. I don't want to sound like I don't think she knew but.
[92:33]
Parks
But I think that might be the actual.
[92:34]
Mark Lamont Hill
I don't think so either.
[92:35]
Parks
But I think what you just painted might be the story. She might have been like, that's a lick. She might have got in there, said.
[92:42]
Melissa Ford
Right.
[92:43]
Mark Lamont Hill
He did. He did a fake. He did a lot.
[92:48]
Melissa Ford
To take her away from him. So it don't necessarily mean that she.
[92:51]
Joe Budden
Slid again with Cudi. She was with Cuddy and slid again. She slid every time he asked her to slide. Stop with this. Cassie. Innocent.
[93:01]
Ray Daniels
Me neither.
[93:01]
Joe Budden
I don't think she's all the way innocent in it. I also think she's a victim and he's going away and horrible things were done, but I don't. I think they both.
[93:10]
Melissa Ford
So let me ask you the question.
[93:11]
Joe Budden
If.
[93:12]
Melissa Ford
If he's the one on trial and you believe that she's the victim and he's going away, why are we worried about how we painting her?
[93:17]
Joe Budden
Because. I know. Because the niggas that was outside for a while don't look at that as artists to CEO, that's why. Because Cassie put her song out, and nobody that had 2 cents in the music business thought, cassie's coming out with more music.
[93:36]
Ray Daniels
She's the fire. She's about to be up.
[93:37]
Joe Budden
And we've seen mad times. Caressa just fucking did it.
[93:40]
Ray Daniels
Yep.
[93:41]
Joe Budden
What are we talking about? I know we in court, so cool. But don't act like we don't know. The bitches that see the CEO think I could get with him, and I'm never doing music again. They make that trade all the time.
[93:53]
Ray Daniels
I'm not talking about all the time, Joe.
[93:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, no, no. I understand. So question. Cause from what I remember. From what I remember, if. I mean, we can actually look it up. I feel like her. It's not like her debut album was a dud. You know what I'm saying? So in the way that you're saying that nobody had any expectations that she was going to have another album, I don't think that that's necessarily true from the inside.
[94:15]
Ray Daniels
Melissa. Melissa. Okay.
[94:16]
Parks
So if you're in the music, but I think other people may have.
[94:20]
Ray Daniels
If you're in the music business, you got to understand her coming in. We all knew she was a Ryan Leslie creation. Ryan Leslie's girlfriend that he created. He produced everything. And then she left. Ryan Leslie being his creation, it becomes Puff creation. Because whatever it is, it might have been bigger. But the part that bothers me is that we don't see. We don't acknowledge what really happens. What happens is, is that Puff brings, like. Because we hate Puff so much, right? We hate him. I get that. But this was an employee of his is a trainer that he hired to train him and her that takes her away. She writes a book basically saying, give me 20 million for this, 30 million for this, and this nobody. And the person who's training the white guy, just walking around like he's harmless, like it's crap. Like, dog, Puff's not a great person. I could get that. But that don't mean he deserves everything worse than. He's the only bad. This is not a Tyler Perry movie where he's only one bad guy. It's bad people in every scenario.
[95:08]
Melissa Ford
He's the one that feds went and got and is on trial.
[95:10]
Ray Daniels
He's who they want.
[95:11]
Joe Budden
But my point is, she's the author that got immunity. See, we don't never pay no mind to the person that got immunity. Why does she need immunity?
[95:17]
Ray Daniels
Like we was both doing it.
[95:20]
Parks
I can see it legitimate.
[95:22]
Mark Lamont Hill
Sorry.
[95:23]
Joe Budden
Well, me too.
[95:24]
Flip
No, no, when you. When, when you.
[95:26]
Mark Lamont Hill
I was going to say everybody. See is you're talking about everybody having this perception that that album was a one and done and he was never going to do anything else.
[95:34]
Joe Budden
No, you was there too.
[95:35]
Parks
Hold.
[95:35]
Joe Budden
Outside too.
[95:36]
Mark Lamont Hill
Hold on. What's the.
[95:37]
Joe Budden
You seen that girl be paraded everywhere and introduced and introduced as puff girl. And if you play with her, he'll hurt you.
[95:46]
Mark Lamont Hill
Understood.
[95:46]
Joe Budden
That was out there from 02 or whatever the fuck they met to whenever.
[95:51]
Ray Daniels
And I was in the studio and I was there. He said the same. That's it. That's.
[95:54]
Joe Budden
He paraded that girl.
[95:56]
Ray Daniels
That's his girl.
[95:56]
Joe Budden
He did the thing that he does.
[95:58]
Mark Lamont Hill
I was going to say that just because it was other people's perception that that was a one and done. I don't necessarily think that. That that was her perception. I think that she was sitting there with hope. Hope again. Hoping that she think she's gonna make music again. Yeah, she definitely thought she's gonna make music again. And also she talks about naivete.
[96:13]
Flip
No.
[96:13]
Parks
But also.
[96:13]
Joe Budden
No, no, no, no, wait. I wanna. No, hold on.
[96:16]
Ray Daniels
I was working on her project.
[96:17]
Joe Budden
It wasn't. Let's get this one with Mark. Either that's the naivete or that's the cunning savviness of somebody saying, hey, you know what would be a really good way to get my shit rocking? To suck his dick.
[96:29]
Parks
No, I hear you. I'm saying what. All I'm saying is you.
[96:33]
Joe Budden
I don't think she was too young to have that thought.
[96:36]
Parks
I'm not. That's not what I was saying. I was saying that going in, that might have been her motivation. I said. I. I accept that might have been her total motivation for getting into that relationship. I was just. We were responding. Mel and I were responding to the idea of everybody knew no more music was coming. Once they got together and we were saying no, she probably thought something else was coming and that's part of why she stayed. Whether that's for Good reason or bad reason?
[96:54]
Joe Budden
Well, I think that's what that. Well, that's where I ride with y' all. Same thing, make you laugh, make you cry, and that's what's gonna get.
[97:03]
Mark Lamont Hill
There's just one. So there's this one thing that I want to say in regards to this is the fact that during her testimony, she uses a term called work busy. And when. What she means when she uses that term is that he kept the facade going by having her work with producers. Producers and go and write music and whatever else. He knew he was never gonna put out any more music. And everybody else got the memo. She literally did not get the memo because she was. That's why she called it work busy. And in hindsight, she realized, oh, he was just keeping helping. Helping to keep the lie going in order to, like, you know, persuade me into believing.
[97:43]
Joe Budden
I was one of the producers.
[97:44]
Ray Daniels
By the way, I was in the studio working on her project with Puff in the room. Our guys. And I can tell you from being in the music business, you can tell when it ain't coming out. They had no direction, no nothing. It was just like, yo, just give us a. It was like, no direction. Puffer come and go. It was. You knew it. If you're on the inside of the music business, you know, when your shit ain't coming out, if you bring writers in town for a week and we don't come away with not one complete song, eventually you start knowing. And that's what I'm saying.
[98:09]
Mark Lamont Hill
But just how often you string somebody on.
[98:11]
Joe Budden
Why would she keep.
[98:12]
Parks
Why would. If she knew her music was coming out, why would she continue to play?
[98:15]
Ray Daniels
Because she got the lifestyle without.
[98:16]
Joe Budden
What are you talking about, Maud?
[98:18]
Parks
I'm asking you about.
[98:19]
Joe Budden
She loved him, Mark.
[98:20]
Ray Daniels
He put her up in a penthouse. She was living like a superstar. And then guess what? He probably would have been still taking care of her when he broke up.
[98:26]
Parks
But she left with the music question. I understand. I understand the argument you're making about the other thing. I was just saying, why, you know.
[98:31]
Mark Lamont Hill
If she knows that her music's not coming out, why bother?
[98:33]
Parks
Why waste your time? Because I still write.
[98:35]
Ray Daniels
Because everything that comes from this platinum music I got already. So I'm just.
[98:40]
Parks
Buff. Wanted to make music. So I was just curious to know why she would even play.
[98:43]
Joe Budden
If you asking me. If you asking me, I think that there was a lot of stoppages between this timeline that they trying to reconfigure as her being this artist that was chasing a career. She was not Okay, a question for.
[98:57]
Flip
Mel and Mark and this is what I asked last time. How was she able to leave with the trainer if he was so controlling and Stockholm syndrome and all that, right? Like if he was controlling like I said or like they saying, and she was being watched and she couldn't move, how was she able to leave with the trainer that he hired for her?
[99:21]
Mark Lamont Hill
That's. Listen, me and my girlfriends were talking about this in the car last night. That is the shit I would fucking love to know.
[99:28]
Joe Budden
That's where I can't fuck with them.
[99:29]
Parks
So that's where I can't fuck with them.
[99:30]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, no, just wait, hold on one second here. I just said like about five minutes ago how many times it takes victims of domestic violence to leave their partners and how many times they keep going back. But for a lot of women, sometimes there is the final time. Also I want to make mention that within the first few weeks of a woman trying to leave a domestic violence incident, that is when she has the highest statistical rate of being unalived by her mate. So there is real fear that nobody.
[100:02]
Joe Budden
Can I just say something to you and Mel and I'm on yalls side. Hide. Of course I am on their side. I hired them so I could be on their side. No, for real. All right.
[100:14]
Flip
How's she level the trainer, Joe?
[100:15]
Joe Budden
Huh?
[100:18]
Flip
If the was all that. Come on.
[100:19]
Joe Budden
Listen, cuz, wait, let me say this.
[100:21]
Flip
She left plenty of times. That's what I'm saying.
[100:23]
Joe Budden
Mark, let me say this. Let me say that in response to Mel. Mel, on the flip side of what you're saying, this is gonna sound horrible. So don't say it. But I am gonna say it cuz women are not a monolith.
[100:33]
Mark Lamont Hill
We're not.
[100:34]
Joe Budden
There are some women that really like the controlling guy.
[100:40]
Ray Daniels
I'm telling you.
[100:41]
Joe Budden
There are some women that are attracted to the toxic ain't I'm in the house, controlling, demanding, jealous. I'll your ex up.
[100:53]
Parks
Oh, for sure.
[100:54]
Mark Lamont Hill
I will not deny that first. Yes, absolutely.
[100:58]
Parks
Okay, got it.
[100:58]
Mark Lamont Hill
Absolutely.
[100:59]
Joe Budden
I don't know Cassie enough to put.
[101:01]
Parks
That's why I didn't put that on her jacket.
[101:02]
Joe Budden
But I know there's a flip side.
[101:04]
Mark Lamont Hill
To that, of course.
[101:05]
Parks
And that's usually born out of some kind of trauma or some kind of experience where somebody did that. No one just wakes up like I want to be controlled.
[101:11]
Ray Daniels
It's my only issue with this.
[101:12]
Parks
Just let me ask a flip's question first.
[101:13]
Flip
Thank you, Mark.
[101:15]
Parks
So I think there's a couple things I think one to Mel's point. At some point, you do get enough, and there's that. But your question is, if Puff so dangerous and violent, why did. Some of it is timing. Some of it is when somebody's really in a bad space, drug wise, relationship wise, or he's out fucking somebody else for the next three weeks, that's the time to exit. Sometimes you stop caring about the fear because after the sixth or the eighth time, you're like, you know what? Fuck it. If I look at Tina Turner, Ike didn't stop being violent to her when she left. She just said, fuck it. I don't care anymore. You know what I mean? If I have to die to leave this situation, then I'll die to leave this situation. And in some of it is, sometimes you need some courage, and sometimes it's when you meet the next guy that you get the courage to leave. Now, that doesn't mean that the next guy is a good guy. I'm with you.
[101:59]
Ray Daniels
Okay, thank you.
[102:00]
Parks
I have no idea.
[102:00]
Ray Daniels
I don't know. That's whack, though. That is whack.
[102:02]
Parks
I don't want to praise him. I don't know anything about him. I wouldn't know him if he walked in this room. Right. But what I know is sometimes you need somebody in your ear saying, you can do this, even if it's for their own purpose, even if it's for their own. But you need somebody to do this. So that's a lot of the reasons why. But the last thing I would do do is advance the idea that, well, Puff wasn't that bad. Only because we've seen how bad he can be.
[102:23]
Joe Budden
Yeah, he was that bad.
[102:24]
Flip
He was bad.
[102:25]
Joe Budden
That was his girl.
[102:27]
Mark Lamont Hill
And also. And I also think that Alex Fine was so removed from. He was an outsider. Yes, he was hired by Puff. Get that. But he was basically an outsider to that massive circle. So anybody saying, well, I tried to pull her away, et cetera, et cetera, she. She could literally have been living with the belief you are too close to the situation. He will send the enforcers. He'll come fucking get me. I'll get another fucking beating. Fuck that. Can't go. But he.
[102:54]
Joe Budden
But the controlling monster guy just so happened to not do any of those things when you left with the help that he paid for. He beat nobody up. He didn't shoot nobody. He didn't go.
[103:05]
Mark Lamont Hill
Not this time.
[103:05]
Parks
I don't know how hot it was at that time.
[103:08]
Joe Budden
What we talking about? About. I'm talking. I'm talking about this time because I'm.
[103:11]
Melissa Ford
Saying she left with other people, that other. And shit happened.
[103:13]
Ray Daniels
But let's be clear. We.
[103:14]
Melissa Ford
Oh, when you said.
[103:15]
Ray Daniels
What's his name? Harvey Weinstein. You said Harvey Weinstein. We try to compare Puff to the powerful rich men. It's one of the powerful rich men. Powerful rich men wasn't finished.
[103:23]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm sorry.
[103:24]
Ray Daniels
He is a powerful rich man, but it's one other fact that he's also famous. And when you're famous, women flock to you. Puff ain't Harvey wants. Everywhere he going, women are. So what I'm saying is that when they try to paint him like, it's like he was also a celebrity that. That women wanted. So she didn't want to give up that spot either.
[103:38]
Joe Budden
Men wanted.
[103:39]
Ray Daniels
Clearly, by the way, she even marked. She even said it. I didn't want to lose my spot.
[103:44]
Parks
And that's probably true too. Then.
[103:45]
Ray Daniels
Then she played a role slightly in it.
[103:47]
Joe Budden
Well, if you acknowledge that, then you acknowledge that this is more than just.
[103:52]
Ray Daniels
That's what I'm saying.
[103:53]
Joe Budden
Stockholm trauma. And she was young, but that is.
[103:56]
Parks
Kind of part of Stockholm trauma is.
[103:58]
Joe Budden
Oh, tell me.
[103:59]
Parks
Yeah, because. Because part of it, you start to associate with your. Your captor. You start to associate with your oppressor. And so I don't want. I want him to like me. I don't want to lose this. But it's exactly consistent with Stockholm celebration.
[104:17]
Joe Budden
You do lose me there.
[104:18]
Parks
I'm using captive in the context of Stockholm. That's. That's what it comes from.
[104:22]
Ray Daniels
Okay, I got you.
[104:22]
Parks
So in this case, it's not a literal captor, but most domestic violence situations aren't literally. Those people are literally locked. Locked in. It's other factors. And again, that doesn't mean that. That there wasn't a personal issue.
[104:32]
Joe Budden
So you're weaponizing all the things that you was attracted to.
[104:35]
Ray Daniels
That's what's really happening.
[104:36]
Joe Budden
That's what. That's what's happening.
[104:36]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'm just gonna read for anybody who has a question.
[104:38]
Joe Budden
And he's a piece of shit. So everything is right when it comes to pop because he is a piece of. Don't confuse what we saying with he's not a piece of shit. But she ain't just Little Miss Red Riding Hood that. Oh, my God.
[104:55]
Parks
Because that's the same shit police say. Well, he was no angel. I don't have to be an angel to not get shot.
[105:00]
Joe Budden
Right.
[105:00]
Parks
We tend to.
[105:01]
Joe Budden
You are if you gonna. If you lying on our whole history. That's the only reason we keep talking about her. Because she keeps saying, yo, this was that. And he's saying, no, the fuck it was not. That's the only reason we keep talking about it.
[105:11]
Parks
That's the point.
[105:12]
Joe Budden
We gotta upload, gotta talk about it.
[105:15]
Parks
I'm just saying on this massive platform, as you would like to say that we're not suggesting that person has to be a perfect or an angel or have grit.
[105:21]
Flip
No, we're not suggesting that.
[105:23]
Parks
I'm not saying. I just want to reinforce that because I don't. She could be. Let's assume Cassie's the worst person ever. She still doesn't deserve the things that Puff is accused of doing to her.
[105:34]
Mark Lamont Hill
And that we've witnessed.
[105:35]
Parks
What we're up here debating is whether or not Puff actually did to her. But it's a very important part.
[105:38]
Ray Daniels
They say that she did stuff to him. He just an accuser of it. So she went out first. It's like basically who called who first? Joe said the police first. Now I'm the bad person. That's really what it is. Cause when you look at it, she's like, I can't wait for the freak up. I want to be on control, controllable. As a man. As a man it triggers me because women tell you that type of all day, slut me out, do this, do this. And then all of a sudden I do it. And then all of a sudden she like, you use me. Hold it. Like as a man you become confused.
[106:02]
Ice
I think we're getting confused again. And what the trial is. It's the state in the feds versus Puff. It is not Cassie versus Puff. It is not the state versus Cassie.
[106:10]
Ray Daniels
But it's versus Puff triggered off what he supposedly.
[106:14]
Flip
Here's my history pause. I feel like because we, because we.
[106:17]
Joe Budden
Watch the person that has immunity and liked freak offs just as much or more than me, I should be allowed to say, hey, she was in there asking for the asking to get pissed on. She was in there asking if we could fly jewels. And this was not just a master manipulation. My Puff, I should be able to say that shit.
[106:35]
Ray Daniels
Joe, how I'm supposed to know? But if you ask me for how.
[106:38]
Joe Budden
I'm supposed to know. Wait, Ray. It's funny you say that because in court that's what it's coming down to now. I do think that more people are coming, but right this second Puff defense is saying, how am I supposed to know that you ever had a problem with any of the free calls when this has been your verbiage to me? That's what they discussing Right now.
[106:53]
Mark Lamont Hill
So I'm gonna. Let me just read this about people experiencing Stockholm syndrome, a psychological phenomenon where hostages develop positive feelings toward their captors, often exhibiting behaviors like refusing to cooperate with authorities, defending the abuser, and minimizing the abuse. They also. They may also feel attached to or even sympathy, sympathetic towards the captor, and struggled to detach and heal from the trauma.
[107:17]
Joe Budden
Everything she did falls under trauma. And I was young and Stockholm.
[107:21]
Ice
Can I make a quick analogy?
[107:22]
Ray Daniels
Go ahead.
[107:22]
Ice
You're dating someone that loves cocaine.
[107:25]
Ray Daniels
Yes.
[107:26]
Ice
You buy them cocaine.
[107:28]
Parks
Thought, sounds great.
[107:29]
Ice
So far. Buying cocaine is illegal.
[107:30]
Ray Daniels
Yes.
[107:32]
Mark Lamont Hill
There we go.
[107:33]
Joe Budden
Here we are. No, that's not true.
[107:34]
Ice
Why?
[107:35]
Joe Budden
Let's stay right here.
[107:35]
Ice
Let's do it.
[107:37]
Joe Budden
You like cocaine? I like cocaine. Together we in the trenches getting cocaine.
[107:41]
Ray Daniels
We the coke couple.
[107:42]
Joe Budden
We are the cocaine couple.
[107:43]
Ray Daniels
Let's go.
[107:44]
Joe Budden
Once we get caught, you flip a rat, then.
[107:48]
Ray Daniels
No, no, no, no. Joe, Joe, Joe. You missed it, Joe.
[107:51]
Joe Budden
No, no, no.
[107:51]
Ray Daniels
You missed it, Joe. Once you got tired of it. Cause you want to go to another place. You find love. Good for you. Find a husband. But you realize that that shit cost. So if you can't be the victim, that's what is Michelle. I mean, I'm sorry. You just can't be a victim of. If you wrote a book, hey, man, give me some money for this. So I'll put it out. At that point, you're not a victim. You basically saying, nigga, you know, I need some money. And he like, you know, you picked who you picked.
[108:15]
Joe Budden
No, she's a victim. And she's saying, but when she became.
[108:18]
Ray Daniels
The victim after he said, I'm not being you. 30 million for the book. Okay, Now I'm gonna sue you. So is that not true?
[108:24]
Flip
I think that it's the two.
[108:26]
Joe Budden
My response to Parks is you can't repaint history as if you wasn't down and then make it seem like. Like I was forcing you to do coke.
[108:32]
Parks
And that's my issue with the coke.
[108:34]
Melissa Ford
But in your example is really, I like coke. And I introduced you to coke.
[108:38]
Parks
Yes.
[108:38]
Melissa Ford
That's where it's a little different. He introduced her to this. She says that he taught her this.
[108:42]
Ray Daniels
He like it look like she was.
[108:44]
Melissa Ford
Doing that prior to him.
[108:45]
Parks
Right.
[108:45]
Joe Budden
But you was doing it after him, and he, at some points, tried to get you off and put you in a drug rehab. Y' all can't keep playing both sides of the fence with that.
[108:56]
Parks
Becomes a question of the facts. Because she her. I get what you're saying. He's saying you was down for the free cops. You wanted some time when I didn't. I hear that she's saying, that's not what happened. And so we also at some point have to decide whose version we believe or look at the evidence to see.
[109:08]
Ice
I think this is the Tory trial all over again. I don't think any of that matters to the charges that are being presented. He is charged with bringing prostitutes over sex trafficking, using multiple businesses and such to do so, which is racketeering.
[109:22]
Joe Budden
I think that got him.
[109:23]
Parks
Yeah.
[109:24]
Joe Budden
I keep. I keep saying they got him.
[109:26]
Ice
Not the same exact. It's a similar scenario arguing, did he do this?
[109:32]
Parks
Which we will get to at some point.
[109:34]
Ice
Yes.
[109:34]
Flip
I just feel like when somebody has get. Gotten away with so many things over the years, people try to find something.
[109:41]
Ray Daniels
To take them down.
[109:43]
Parks
Like, we like the OJ Thing.
[109:44]
Flip
We'll get like. I don't want to use the words pin on them, but that's what.
[109:48]
Joe Budden
That's.
[109:48]
Flip
That's what they do, right?
[109:49]
Ray Daniels
Oh, he got.
[109:50]
Flip
Look what we're saying. He got away with so many years and all that shit. So does that mean, what, he's on trial? I don't think you're wrong, Flip. I think, you know, I mean, and I. That's the only problem. Same thing with the OJ Situation.
[109:58]
Ice
I think it's a big part of it.
[109:59]
Flip
OJ Situation, he got away with that shit, and they just pinned that. He tried to. For his.
[110:03]
Parks
It's just shit. But OJ probably did it, too. See, that's.
[110:06]
Flip
I get what you're saying, Mark, and.
[110:07]
Parks
That'S the tough part.
[110:08]
Flip
But, yeah, but he was.
[110:09]
Ice
Yeah, you got.
[110:09]
Joe Budden
No, no, no.
[110:10]
Parks
I'm not talking about killing. O.J. probably did the shit he was actually convicted of, but the feds aren't usually convicting people for that shit.
[110:15]
Ice
He went in and stole his memorabilia back. He did. That's what he went to jail for.
[110:19]
Parks
Yeah, and that's the thing. He probably did it, but they don't use lock shit for that. Similarly, half the music industry does what Puff does. They're just not.
[110:25]
Joe Budden
So today.
[110:27]
Ray Daniels
Not half, Mark. 95%.
[110:29]
Parks
No doubt.
[110:30]
Joe Budden
So today on the stand, during cross, they got Cassie saying they're playing audio of Cassie threatening someone who threatened to leak.
[110:40]
Ray Daniels
She said, I'm gonna kill you.
[110:42]
Joe Budden
Yes. Somebody who threatened to leak footage from the. The freak offs. She said that she threatened to kill them. Oh, wow.
[110:49]
Ray Daniels
But Mark, now that she's threatened to kill him, Joe, she said, no, I will have you killed. No one will know that. I like, it was like she went into it.
[110:57]
Joe Budden
Yeah. There'll be no blood on my hands. I've never done this before, but it's.
[111:01]
Parks
Almost like she's connected to someone who's capable of doing those kinds of things.
[111:04]
Melissa Ford
That's what I'm hearing.
[111:04]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[111:06]
Parks
I think that makes public bad now.
[111:08]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay, so let me. So let me.
[111:09]
Joe Budden
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out, Mark.
[111:11]
Ice
I think it makes them both look bad.
[111:13]
Parks
I'm sorry. I'm not saying it doesn't make her look bad, but. Yeah, because she's not on trial. I'm saying I don't think that helps. Puff.
[111:19]
Mark Lamont Hill
I want to. I want to get her and I want to make a. I want to make a point to how Joe just. Joe just told you guys this. The way the wording that he used, I'm going to reframe that with how it's written here just to show it's all about which you believe. It's all about your perception based on the words that you hear and how you hear the words.
[111:39]
Joe Budden
Get in your bag, Mel.
[111:41]
Mark Lamont Hill
Jurors heard a recording of a distressed Cassie screaming at a friend who said that he had been. That he had seen a video of her performing sex acts. So it's not even including this friend in the video. He just says he has it. In the recording made by Cassie, who recorded herself in 2013, the man claimed to have the video on his phone. Cassie is heard pleading to see the video and then threatening to kill him if it became possible public. I've never killed anyone in my life, but I will kill you is what she said. She didn't say anything about, I'll have somebody else do it. At least it doesn't say that here. Cassie told the man, punctuating her threats with profanity.
[112:14]
Joe Budden
Well, in another transcript, it does say that. We need to figure that. Ok. Yeah, because you're not reading from a transcript.
[112:19]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, I'm. It's reading the report. It's a report from abc. Exactly. She acknowledged in her testimony that. That Combs subsequently made efforts to keep the videos private or the video, this particular video private. But it mean words matter in terms of how we tell the story, you know, so Joe's version versus how I just read that. You'll hear it two different ways. You'll hear a woman who is terrified of the world seeing her in that position, knowing that she had no real control as to whether or not it was even filmed.
[112:50]
Joe Budden
And that will take her fate in her own hands and kill the person that put her in that position.
[112:53]
Mark Lamont Hill
I Mean, but how many, but how many times have I have you been angry with somebody and you just say, oh, I'm gonna fucking kill you or something like that?
[113:00]
Parks
That's different than I'm gonna have you killed. Yes, I'm gonna do it.
[113:02]
Joe Budden
Yeah, that's very different.
[113:03]
Parks
If it gets meticulous, it gets. But for me, but for me as a juror, what I would hear in that is Cassie's fucked up. But she was gonna leverage the power that she had by being with Puff, which tells me that Puff has the power to control outcomes. It just reinforces the Cuddy blowing up the car. It just reinforces that he is somebody who you need to be afraid of.
[113:20]
Ray Daniels
And she was listening. And it also reinforces that she was very attracted to that and she used it when she needed it.
[113:25]
Parks
No doubt. But again, and if she were on trial, I think you might be able to get her on a RICO trial. Maybe, I don't know.
[113:30]
Joe Budden
She would be on trial cuz she be on one. But in a RICO trial she didn't have immunity. What Willie D. Is saying that she should be co defendant.
[113:37]
Ice
I think it's a racketeering trial too, by the way.
[113:39]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
[113:41]
Ice
Which is sometimes part of a rico, I think. And they're not the same thing.
[113:45]
Joe Budden
I have no idea. Yeah, I'm going to.
[113:47]
Parks
I just, I think it's no rico. RICO is racketeering.
[113:49]
Ice
Yeah, no, I think RICO is part of racketeering.
[113:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
But isn't that the R in RICO?
[113:54]
Parks
Yeah, yes, but I get what you're.
[113:56]
Ice
Saying, but RICO, RICO is. Racketeering can be part of RICO, but RICO's not necessarily a racketeering charge, I think is the difference.
[114:03]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay.
[114:04]
Parks
All right.
[114:04]
Ice
Again, this is kind of the, the discourse that's happened similar to the trial over on the west coast is it's discourse that's going to getting things.
[114:13]
Ray Daniels
But the real issue is, is that you have people that are emotional and when you're emotional and you, the mob hates you. Like right now the mob hates Puff. Right. And anytime someone says something that helps him is like the mob is mad enough for speaking up for him. But that's not what this is. This is a trial.
[114:28]
Ice
Right.
[114:28]
Ray Daniels
That's what the point of this is. So just because the mob hates you doesn't mean that everyone should say it's like that's my only thing. It's like they was together, they did it together. It's times when she wanted, it's times when he wanted it. But because he's the person everybody like kill that person.
[114:40]
Joe Budden
And the defense introduced where he left. He left you. He was with Ken Porter. He was with Gina. He ran off and you were jealous that somebody else was taking your spot. How y' all hear that? And.
[114:56]
Ice
And I want to be clear, I don't think that she's an angel or anything, but again, she's not on trial, so.
[115:03]
Mark Lamont Hill
And also, I think it's irrelevant to me is the toxicity associated with a super.
[115:07]
Joe Budden
It's not irrelevant if you're saying I held you captive and kidnapped and you couldn't leave and I forced you to do all these.
[115:13]
Parks
That's why the Stockholm thing.
[115:14]
Mark Lamont Hill
Exactly.
[115:14]
Joe Budden
And that's why don't Stockholm me to death.
[115:17]
Flip
So she is, while her admitting now on trial on the stand is Stockholm.
[115:22]
Joe Budden
Still in effect, and did Stockholm leave when she left with the handler and paid with Puff's credit card?
[115:26]
Mark Lamont Hill
She's been gone for years.
[115:27]
Parks
This is what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I'm saying something slightly different. I understand your question. I'm saying something slightly different.
[115:31]
Flip
Okay.
[115:31]
Parks
I'm not saying that Stockholm explains all of her actions. What I'm saying, and that's what I want, to be clear. What I'm saying is that Stockholm is an answer to the question of why she does it. In other words, her actions don't prove Puff's innocence. And Stockholm syndrome is an example of why they don't. But it also doesn't prove his guilt. Right. So in other words, her not leaving doesn't prove that he's guilty or he's innocent.
[115:59]
Joe Budden
Right. I'm 100% with you.
[116:00]
Parks
And that's where Stockholm comes in as an explanation, a potential explanation.
[116:04]
Joe Budden
Every time we use the word Stockholm, we never go right to proving that it was Stockholm versus a cunning, savvy, little fast heifer.
[116:13]
Parks
And I think the reason is because when people.
[116:15]
Joe Budden
Because we don't never do that.
[116:16]
Ray Daniels
Because when people look out what's real.
[116:18]
Parks
Here's why. Because when people look at her behavior, they act like that's the big joke. You don't get distracted. But in spades, there's this very funny Mark. Big joker, right?
[116:24]
Joe Budden
Very funny, Mark.
[116:25]
Parks
So what happens is people say, well, it couldn't have happened because she did this. And all I'm saying is that. I know, but I'm just saying just because she did this doesn't prove that Puff wasn't guilty of this crime. That's all I'm saying.
[116:40]
Ray Daniels
I'm not talking about his guilt or not. I'm just saying they was in it together. To me, it feels like like you was mad at me. We argued, but we forgot we were famous. And now the shit. Now we at trial looking at each other like, look how big this shit got. And it really was nothing to us. I really don't think she wants him.
[116:53]
Flip
To be like, God, but she's admitting to a certain thing and taking accountability herself. But I also want to say back home doesn't.
[117:01]
Mark Lamont Hill
Okay, wait, let me just ask you guys a question. How much of a role do you think physical violence plays in somebody feeling like, yes, I have no chains on me, but I can't go far. Huge. Okay, now hold on one second here. If we're gonna sit here and think and act like that videotape that happened in the fucking hotel was an isolated incident. Incident. Okay? So if we're going to look at that as an example of how free he felt to do this in a public setting with cameras and knowing he was going to be able to buy off this fucking hotel and this footage was never going to see the fucking light of day, then he is walking around with this idea that he is a Teflon motherfucking Don.
[117:48]
Joe Budden
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[117:49]
Ray Daniels
Now that can.
[117:51]
Joe Budden
That's not the only truth, I might say. It's true.
[117:55]
Parks
You are saying that that can be true.
[117:57]
Joe Budden
That is true. I don't want to present this because it feel like I'm speaking for him.
[118:03]
Mark Lamont Hill
I don't want to do that.
[118:04]
Joe Budden
However, the guy that's brazen enough to do that on the hotel cameras in public, like Mel just said, a lot of times thinks about the person he's doing it to and has. Has that relationship to where he feel like. He don't feel like he could beat that just because he's so big and bad. He also feels like he could beat it because of who he's doing it to. And she's held him down before and they've together have worked together to suppress all of the, you know, he ain't just moving on his own accord. He moving like that because this is my girlfriend.
[118:43]
Ray Daniels
Because he's done it with Joe. He's moving like that. That's how we move.
[118:48]
Flip
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
[118:49]
Ray Daniels
That's how we move.
[118:51]
Joe Budden
That's what I'm saying.
[118:51]
Ice
You might not want to say it that way.
[118:53]
Joe Budden
Exactly.
[118:53]
Mark Lamont Hill
So getting.
[118:54]
Flip
But wait, that's how they move.
[118:55]
Ray Daniels
That's how they would beat each other up. Everyone said it, okay? We just don't like him. And I get it when I'M saying.
[119:01]
Ice
That through the ear maybe doesn't sound the greatest.
[119:04]
Ray Daniels
There was two people.
[119:06]
Joe Budden
It wasn't the greatest. Like, and I think that's the hard time people have. And none of this shit is going to sound pretty. That's why the lawyers are saying, yo, he is a piece of shit. We not here to argue that none of it sounds pretty.
[119:16]
Ray Daniels
But she likes what they basically said. She likes some of it. And how would he know that she didn't keep a hostage?
[119:22]
Mark Lamont Hill
She does not. She doesn't enjoy getting.
[119:24]
Ray Daniels
I want to say one thing, Mel. I want to say one thing. Do you know women find it attractive when a man comes and gets her? Like, like me and my man was arguing, I went out and he showed up to the club they love. It's like, my nigga, my nigga don't play about. It's like, it's attractive when she finds it attractive.
[119:39]
Joe Budden
Yeah, they writing off the women that like that. I'm not. I'm not doing it. And it's easy to paint Cassie as the victim that was abused who was trying to put an album out of the big bad powerful man. Yes, horrible happened, but it couldn't.
[119:51]
Flip
She was down for some of that.
[119:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
Not denying for a single solitary sex. That level of toxicity did not permeate her and. And literally become a. Become like a template of her own actions.
[120:04]
Ray Daniels
Mel, I just want to ask you a question because it's really important because you are a beautiful girl and you have a lot of options, right? You do. No, you do. But my point is this. Remember you so crazy when Martin said you break up with a girl and you broke. She can't wait to leave, right? Nigga, you want to leave this indoor. I went to one of their houses. It was just a Hollywood house, 10,000 square foot. That was just the house where Cassie was at. You want to leave all this and, you know, sometimes you got to think. So what I'm asking you, Mel, is a beautiful woman. Does the man's financial status and the lifestyle he provides to you make a difference in how long a woman would end up endure other pains?
[120:36]
Mark Lamont Hill
It can 1000%.
[120:38]
Joe Budden
And is that Stockholms?
[120:39]
Mark Lamont Hill
It can 1000% play a role. It absolutely can.
[120:44]
Joe Budden
But is that Stockholms?
[120:45]
Flip
No, it's not.
[120:45]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, we're not talking about Stockholm right now.
[120:47]
Joe Budden
I'm asking the question.
[120:47]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's not Stockholm, right? We're not. What we're discussing right now, okay? We're talking about the, like accepting like a. Like, you know, understanding love to be in a really toxic form to be toxic. So there are some women. Yes. If the situation is, like I said, a gilded cage, they're not fucking going anywhere. They're going to. You know, they consider that the lesser of two evils. But there are some women that will say, fuck you, fuck your fucking bowling alley, Fuck the fucking helipad. I'm fucking out. There is women. That's who man. None of that.
[121:20]
Ray Daniels
And I think Cassie did that 10 years into it and finally was over it. And that was it. That's what I really believe happened. And then you get with a man, then you realize there's no more heated tone toilets, there's no more heated pools. What do we have? Then you realize the. That I could get it from. He ain't gonna like me. Cause I left with you. So now you like what we gonna do? You act like couples on pillow talk and sit in the bed and plan and plot. We're gonna write a book. He don't want it to get out. Hit him for some money. Cause we need money.
[121:44]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[121:45]
Flip
You know what they highlighted?
[121:46]
Joe Budden
That's a dangerous opportunity.
[121:48]
Ray Daniels
That's how it happens though.
[121:49]
Joe Budden
You ain't gotta come in.
[121:50]
Melissa Ford
Unfortunately. Then he should have paid it, right?
[121:53]
Flip
But he did. You know what they highlighted, unfortunately.
[121:55]
Melissa Ford
No, no, he didn't.
[121:55]
Parks
Not at first.
[121:58]
Ray Daniels
The.
[122:02]
Joe Budden
20 million.
[122:02]
Flip
Why are you up here on the stand if you got the 20 million from Puff? Because that's the other part.
[122:07]
Joe Budden
But now she got go and pay the settlement. And y' all still leak the story.
[122:12]
Parks
Now is that what happened? I'm asking, cuz I don't.
[122:14]
Flip
That's what they said on the.
[122:15]
Joe Budden
He said that's what happened.
[122:17]
Ray Daniels
No, she filed a lawsuit. And then. And then once that went up, the next day he paid.
[122:21]
Parks
No, no, no. That part I know. Okay, what. What my understanding situation was was that.
[122:25]
Mark Lamont Hill
Feds were already working on a fucking case.
[122:27]
Parks
They were kind of on his ass. And because all these lawsuits came back to back to back, the feds. Some thirsty feds jumped on it. It wasn't the Cassie tip.
[122:36]
Ray Daniels
She's not sure.
[122:36]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, but she popped the first loss.
[122:38]
Joe Budden
Yeah, no, yeah, but what I'm saying is she didn't.
[122:39]
Parks
I don't think she got.
[122:40]
Joe Budden
She set it off publicly. The feds could have been working for months.
[122:44]
Parks
That's my point. I'm saying Cassie, I think was fine with the checking.
[122:47]
Joe Budden
She was the one that was supposed to shut the up if I just gave you 20 million.
[122:50]
Parks
Yeah, but if the feds call you. So you gotta get the trial, take the stand.
[122:53]
Joe Budden
What you gonna do, then you take the stand. And today is the first time or the other day is the first time we're hearing any of this. And we're all shocked and appalled at the same time. That's not what happened. What happened is he lost his shit. As soon as Cassie said yo. And then the video came out, he was done.
[123:08]
Parks
See? And I feel like that's the steamroll of all the other people, Rye, all the people who came out with cases. I mean, at least eight other cases came out against Puff, none of them.
[123:17]
Joe Budden
More damaging and damning than this one.
[123:20]
Parks
And the video.
[123:21]
Joe Budden
And that video, even before the video.
[123:22]
Melissa Ford
This one was more damage with him for 10 years.
[123:25]
Joe Budden
He shouldn't have did none of this shit. Yo, don't take any of this speech as riding for him.
[123:31]
Ray Daniels
Exactly.
[123:31]
Joe Budden
He shouldn't have did shit. He's dead to rights. But important to examine how you got there. Ego.
[123:43]
Ray Daniels
Ego.
[123:43]
Mark Lamont Hill
And the perception of being untouchable.
[123:45]
Joe Budden
Ego.
[123:46]
Ray Daniels
Ego makes you think you're untouchable. Yeah, all ego.
[123:50]
Parks
Joe, I think. I think we need a moose boosh and moose boosh. Yeah. Can you give us the.
[123:56]
Melissa Ford
Is that.
[123:56]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's like, this is crazy. The appetizer before the appetizer.
[124:01]
Flip
You can't tell. You can't. You cannot say what's on the table without being looked away. You can't speak from the other side with hardcore facts without it looking away.
[124:10]
Ray Daniels
Like you against it. And I love everybody. I think you can.
[124:13]
Flip
We always say that.
[124:13]
Parks
I think we can.
[124:14]
Joe Budden
When I hear.
[124:14]
Flip
Hear Cassie up there admitting the things, saying I love them and taking accountability, I still hear people, no disrespect, making excuses for her. Stockholm and all this. Like, she's acknowledging. She's acknowledging, like, yo, I was in love with him.
[124:28]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[124:28]
Flip
I wanted to do it, you know.
[124:30]
Ray Daniels
You know, when women are in love, they do the dumbest for men. Men know that. We all know that as men. She was in love. She did dumb. And it's over now.
[124:37]
Flip
But because Puff is. Because how people look at Puff and view he been getting away with this for so many years now. It's, oh, she has to be going through something or some mental anguish.
[124:46]
Parks
You saw Django, right?
[124:47]
Joe Budden
I did.
[124:48]
Parks
All right, so imagine if the slave master from Django was that Leonardo Daniel. Imagine Leonardo was on trial.
[124:54]
Ray Daniels
Got it.
[124:54]
Parks
And then somebody said, well, it couldn't have been that bad. Look at Steven. Look at Samuel Jackson. Look at him.
[124:59]
Flip
Yeah.
[125:00]
Parks
If he was really getting abused, why is he hugging him? Why is he risking his life for him? Why is he killing other people.
[125:05]
Mark Lamont Hill
Why does he have the ability to even fucking speak?
[125:07]
Parks
Why is he doing this shit? He left and came back.
[125:09]
Ray Daniels
That was good, Mark.
[125:10]
Parks
You see what I'm saying? Like we could, if we did that.
[125:12]
Ray Daniels
That was a good argument.
[125:13]
Parks
We'd be. We would sound crazy.
[125:15]
Joe Budden
Right?
[125:16]
Flip
But at one point Samuel had a chance to leave and join them.
[125:19]
Joe Budden
Wait. And now. But wait, wait, wait.
[125:22]
Ray Daniels
That's my point.
[125:24]
Flip
Chose not to though.
[125:25]
Joe Budden
Let me reply to that.
[125:26]
Flip
If you watch a Django. He made a choice.
[125:28]
Joe Budden
I'm off a Django. Let me reply to that.
[125:30]
Parks
Yes.
[125:31]
Joe Budden
That doesn't account for the millions of people that would sign up for that abuse in a heartbeat. If there were 20 and 30 million at the end of the road.
[125:40]
Parks
For sure.
[125:41]
Joe Budden
You can't say for sure because you don't account for those people. That that theory is never floated in this.
[125:47]
Parks
All I'm saying because abuse is bad.
[125:49]
Joe Budden
And now I sound like I'm defending and I am not defending.
[125:52]
Parks
I don't doubt that there'd be people who would sign up for it. But that doesn't nullify the fact that the abuse is up.
[125:57]
Ray Daniels
And I think it is.
[125:57]
Joe Budden
We're not debating that part.
[125:59]
Mark Lamont Hill
Debate.
[125:59]
Joe Budden
I know you're not debating. So it's.
[126:00]
Parks
That's what I'm saying. So the fact that she's fucked up and honestly I think she deserves the 30 million. If everything we say is true, she deserves it anyway.
[126:06]
Ray Daniels
Me too.
[126:08]
Parks
So I don't feel.
[126:09]
Joe Budden
I don't think she deserved the 30 million. I also believe that he deserved a certain treatment when you paid it.
[126:14]
Parks
Yep, that's what I think.
[126:17]
Joe Budden
But she deserved the 30 million. And if you paid 30 million, that comes with certain rights that he didn't get.
[126:22]
Melissa Ford
He didn't pay the 30.
[126:23]
Joe Budden
I would argue we paid 20.
[126:25]
Melissa Ford
But that was.
[126:26]
Parks
No, no, but the point is it wasn't like, hey, we want this, take that. It was a hostage out. He made a hostage.
[126:31]
Melissa Ford
That's what I'm saying.
[126:33]
Parks
None of this is happening.
[126:34]
Joe Budden
I hope not.
[126:36]
Ray Daniels
But Mark, I love that you said that. Everybody said that. But imagine if your ex girl who dating your old trainer that you hired come to you with a book and.
[126:43]
Parks
Says training really in your craw.
[126:45]
Joe Budden
It is. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[126:46]
Parks
No, but wait.
[126:48]
Joe Budden
But don't put that on Ray. Know why I'm with Ray? Because when I read the shit the, the court transcript where Puff was focused on getting the money back from the trainer that was paid. I thought that was a grave. But mistake. That was a grave mistake, Dog. Let it Go.
[127:02]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[127:04]
Joe Budden
It sound like it's important to Ray. Because reading that, it was important. It was too important to Puff.
[127:09]
Ray Daniels
It was way too important from a man's standpoint. If somebody take your chick, okay, she better. Man won. But if it's somebody you hire, he's in your house, you're telling him to handle it and they run off together. And now you come back to me with a book, and then you say, oh, it could be a lawsuit. I might not have responded like that either. I'm just being honest with you. I might have been like, man, fuck y' all. But even if you took a Ferrari lesson, huh?
[127:31]
Parks
Even if you. How you get him is how you lose them. But anyway, that's another conversation.
[127:33]
Melissa Ford
That's true what you just said. Come back with the book. You have to now weigh. If she filed this lawsuit, what do I got to lose?
[127:39]
Ray Daniels
No, no, no, no, no. But you're right. But what I'm telling you is, remember this? That's where your ego. She still is telling me to give her 30 million before she put out this book. And I know she taking it back to that nigga that took her from me.
[127:49]
Melissa Ford
Cool. So now you.
[127:51]
Ray Daniels
I agree. I'm not arguing was an e. Ego. You're right.
[127:54]
Parks
It was all ego.
[127:55]
Ray Daniels
It was all ego. But that's why I'm telling Mark. That's why he. I don't think. Cuz I feel the same way. Why would you just pay the 30 million? But it was the book. I. We didn't know that.
[128:02]
Joe Budden
If it's all ego, then how much of it is spite on her part?
[128:05]
Ray Daniels
O.
[128:07]
Melissa Ford
Probably all of it.
[128:07]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[128:08]
Parks
How much of which part?
[128:10]
Ray Daniels
The coming.
[128:11]
Parks
I'm just ask if you mean the civil or the criminal.
[128:13]
Joe Budden
It could be.
[128:14]
Parks
I think the civil is both. I think the criminal is. I think she just got swept up and had no choice on that.
[128:18]
Melissa Ford
That's what she didn't have no choice. A super subpoena.
[128:22]
Parks
Yeah, I think. I don't think that's fault. But the civil part, I think some of it is. I know you don't give a fuck about much. And I need you to feel something. The courts. Cause that's what a lot of the mess. A lot of sexual assault and DV cases end up civil. Not just because. For lots of reasons, but part of it is the courts ain't gonna do shit. The cops ain't gonna do shit.
[128:39]
Joe Budden
All of this.
[128:40]
Parks
But also the only thing you'll feel is this money hit you in the pocket. Yeah. Some of it's the only thing you'll feel is money. I deserve some of it. But also, this is gonna fuck you up. And I need you to feel this.
[128:47]
Ray Daniels
Did y' all see the video of Lil Wayne's ex girlfriend. Girlfriend being broken up? Did you?
[128:51]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[128:51]
Ray Daniels
Yeah. Okay. The reason why I'm going so hard for this trial is because of that video. She said something.
[128:55]
Joe Budden
Exactly.
[128:57]
Ray Daniels
My man is breaking up with me. He took me and my daughter out. Instead of going on with her life, saying, this man don't want me. She says, who knows a lawyer? What are we talking now? You. Now women are suing for breaking up.
[129:07]
Joe Budden
And we.
[129:07]
Ray Daniels
Now we don't even have a choice, Joe.
[129:09]
Joe Budden
But we don't account for that. Yeah, yeah.
[129:11]
Ray Daniels
So that's why I'm saying, like, listen, if you. If somebody came in with facts and his wires and puffs prime, I'm with all that. But all we talking about is their sexual endeavors. And to me, that's like, embarrassing them, is really shitting on them. But for me, it gets us nowhere. It's in a RICO like, dog. RICO was created for John Gotti and Paul Castellano and all those gangsters.
[129:29]
Parks
This is not the right thing.
[129:29]
Ray Daniels
This is. This is.
[129:30]
Ice
Again, this is not a RICO charge.
[129:32]
Melissa Ford
This is racing Are different.
[129:34]
Ray Daniels
Huh?
[129:34]
Parks
That's fair.
[129:36]
Ice
It's not a RICO charge.
[129:37]
Ray Daniels
Okay, that's true.
[129:38]
Parks
That's fair. That's fair. Yes. So let's do the moose bouche now. That's what the palate.
[129:45]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's a palette.
[129:45]
Parks
Clearly, y' all eat at the wrong restaurants. Right? It's a palate cleanser. It's like they give you some.
[129:49]
Ray Daniels
Clearly, we didn't get. We didn't go as far in college as you. This is shit you just taught us.
[129:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
Fancy restaurant shit.
[129:54]
Ray Daniels
Fanciest college. They all associated the same.
[129:56]
Parks
Point is, we need a fancy restaurant. We need a palate cleanser. And so I just thought we could talk about something else. And I was looking at social media yesterday, minding my own business, and I stumbled upon a great new podcast. Have you seen this new podcast?
[130:11]
Ice
Which one?
[130:12]
Parks
It's Jadakiss and Fat Joe. Anybody caught it?
[130:18]
Ice
Yes, I've seen two of the episodes. Yeah.
[130:20]
Parks
Oh, the whole. Okay. Dope, dope, dope, dope, dope.
[130:22]
Ice
I didn't watch the most recent one, though.
[130:24]
Parks
Oh, you should.
[130:25]
Ray Daniels
How do you feel about artists stepping into the pie space?
[130:29]
Parks
As a longtime native potter, I feel like I'm very protective of my space and I don't want anybody.
[130:34]
Ray Daniels
That's all I'm asking.
[130:35]
Parks
Yeah. Fuck those guys. No, I think anybody should do what they can. I mean, look, I was a TV guy, a TV news guy that people said shouldn't step in the podcast anymore. So, like, I think people should do they thing.
[130:45]
Ray Daniels
I hate how they announced it. I hate how hard they went. It's almost like. Cause you have an advantage cause you're a celebrity, right? Yeah, but I think that they thought it was gonna be hard. I feel different. No, I think they thought it was gonna be easy.
[130:55]
Melissa Ford
How about I said they thought it.
[130:55]
Ray Daniels
Was gonna be easy and then they get on there, then they realize that we don't care. Like, everybody's talking, so all we care and then they start eating. You know, figured out what's got to make a splash. Hey, how you. You gotta make a splash. Gotta make some noise in the podcast.
[131:06]
Parks
Gotta make a splash.
[131:07]
Ray Daniels
By the way, it's been on the third episode. We didn't start seeing clips from the third episode until they made a splash.
[131:13]
Parks
Yeah. Can we talk about that splash a little bit?
[131:15]
Joe Budden
I saw clips from the second.
[131:16]
Melissa Ford
I. I saw the second episode, but.
[131:18]
Joe Budden
But I chose not. I chose not.
[131:19]
Melissa Ford
And even those clips were what appear to be attempts to be a little bait.
[131:23]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[131:24]
Ice
Ch the water a little bit.
[131:25]
Melissa Ford
Absolutely.
[131:26]
Joe Budden
But I didn't think it was about me because I got a hit.
[131:29]
Parks
You say that again.
[131:30]
Ray Daniels
Oh, right.
[131:31]
Joe Budden
Second episode was like, yo, ain't got hits, ain't qualified. I didn't take that personally. I felt like that before I got in the pod game. Like, yo, there's too many people that are doing interviews with rappers that never did it, never heard the music.
[131:45]
Ice
I wanted to talk.
[131:45]
Joe Budden
That's a common thing for people to say.
[131:47]
Parks
Yeah.
[131:47]
Joe Budden
So I didn't want to just take that personally. So I let it ride. But then episode three, I mean, and.
[131:52]
Parks
I don't think that was about you.
[131:55]
Joe Budden
I didn't take it that way.
[131:57]
Parks
Then I heard this one.
[132:00]
Joe Budden
I just wanna let it be known. Under normal circumstances, I would charge the volume and boost mobile for this airtime on this broadcast. But Mark is. That's my man. He wanna let it go for free. I'm going to oblige.
[132:17]
Parks
Look, I'm here for the home team. We ain't got play.
[132:18]
Joe Budden
Just this one time.
[132:20]
Ice
Let's talk about it.
[132:20]
Joe Budden
No, please. Play. Play. I'm dramatic. I'm being dramatic.
[132:22]
Parks
Okay. You know, I don't want. I don't want to be triggering, though. I'm trying to be mindful of that.
[132:29]
Melissa Ford
On five row, I gotta be front row. So you want all the Cuz somebody you don't like, your enemy gonna come sit, right? You notice that we call that the Joe Button seats. You know, them second row.
[132:41]
Ray Daniels
I don't even got a hood.
[132:42]
Melissa Ford
Got a hoodie.
[132:43]
Joe Budden
I don't even got a hoodie.
[132:45]
Melissa Ford
Yo, listen, them second, third row, that.
[132:48]
Ray Daniels
That ain't.
[132:48]
Melissa Ford
I can't do it. I got to sit front row. I give you my experience.
[132:52]
Joe Budden
What you call them?
[132:52]
Melissa Ford
C. You know, perfect example. Him and 50 got some. And I'm sitting court side of 50 comes.
[133:04]
Ray Daniels
He was right behind y' all.
[133:06]
Melissa Ford
Okay, but he's behind us.
[133:09]
Parks
Those was still considered floor seats.
[133:13]
Flip
I didn't know that.
[133:14]
Ray Daniels
A and B.
[133:15]
Melissa Ford
B, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the man had a little something going on with 50. And why God put 50 set front row and he's in, like, third row. Bother me if I was Joe Buttons. He put the S back on your before when I just. What, we just squat?
[133:33]
Ray Daniels
If he didn't bump in the fifth, would. He had a nice experience. He got a good seat.
[133:37]
Melissa Ford
But the problem is, you got to always expect the enemy might come front.
[133:41]
Parks
Well, I'll stop it there.
[133:43]
Ice
So there's absolutely no logic to his logic whatsoever.
[133:49]
Melissa Ford
Who was that?
[133:50]
Parks
There was.
[133:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
That is hilarious.
[133:57]
Parks
So, look, I didn't quite follow his logic either.
[134:00]
Ice
Yeah, it made no sense.
[134:01]
Parks
But just calling the second row to Joe Button seats.
[134:03]
Melissa Ford
That's up the second row.
[134:05]
Ice
It's not horrible.
[134:07]
Parks
And I tried to tell Joe this before myself, but I say this because.
[134:10]
Ray Daniels
He said it at a podcaster. It. It came off like. But if it was a rap bar, it would have just been a rap bar.
[134:16]
Parks
Like, it was sitting in a second row like Joe Button.
[134:18]
Ray Daniels
It would have been rap bar.
[134:19]
Parks
But it would still be a pretty hard shot to say, though.
[134:23]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah.
[134:24]
Melissa Ford
No, it wouldn't.
[134:25]
Joe Budden
Second se.
[134:26]
Ice
Second row is pretty good.
[134:27]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[134:27]
Parks
There's nothing wrong with everybody. There's nothing wrong with sitting, beating.
[134:29]
Melissa Ford
Especially when the Internet went and found pictures of Fat Joe in row 10 in row 13.
[134:34]
Ray Daniels
Okay, so. So only thing that I knew New York must have. My only response to Joe would have been, but you're. I feel like you're to go to this podcast shit. You my nigga, But I always tell you that. And you really on the. You on the goat's floor shooting at him like, nigga, that's the. That's the AA of podcasters. He's the fucking. He's the podcast. Even if he's the bb and you in podcasting now talking about it yeah.
[134:56]
Melissa Ford
All y' all doing is playing into his hands.
[134:58]
Parks
Yeah, that's right.
[134:59]
Ray Daniels
That's the whole point. You play in his hands. He say something, it keep going up. But I think he knew what he was doing.
[135:04]
Parks
How'd you feel when you heard that.
[135:05]
Melissa Ford
He did it last episode when he went up there and was like, yo, these podcasters, they give us our flowers. We up here on the. Whatever number they debuted on the itunes chart, and nobody gave us our flowers. I ain't see none of these podcasters. You know what you're talking about, right? Like you wanted to hear, do your thing, get your get to your spot. Without mentioning.
[135:26]
Ray Daniels
But Ice, I wanna say something now. I'm gonna challenge you. Cause I gotta call you out now. I'm just.
[135:28]
Melissa Ford
What's up? Call me out.
[135:29]
Ray Daniels
Ain't. This is just. This is equivalent to the rap beef. This is just. Nigga, I got my pod. Who the number one pod, nigga, I'mma shoot at hop Hip him. It's the same concept.
[135:38]
Parks
So it's just. That's interesting.
[135:41]
Melissa Ford
So when that. I disagree with that a little bit.
[135:44]
Ray Daniels
I mean, no, my say the same concept.
[135:46]
Melissa Ford
If I'm the top in the game and a who's on his first freestyle is shooting at me, I'm not responding to you. You got to earn a response at least.
[135:55]
Joe Budden
Well, I lean in, not back. You said what? I lean in, not back.
[136:01]
Flip
You lean into it.
[136:02]
Melissa Ford
I lean into in back.
[136:03]
Flip
He asked you a question, though.
[136:06]
Joe Budden
Give the dramatic intro. Come on. You see what your boy.
[136:23]
Flip
We heard you.
[136:23]
Ray Daniels
We heard you.
[136:25]
Joe Budden
Mike Jack coming to the table. Mike Jack, Mike check.
[136:29]
Ray Daniels
Hey, one, two, one, two.
[136:32]
Flip
Ten toes down.
[136:33]
Joe Budden
Yo, let me get that water real quick. Turn me up. Dim the lights, Yo, Dim the lights a little bit. Yo, let me get that T over there sweating a little bit. I'm ready.
[136:42]
Flip
Yo, automatic floater.
[136:44]
Joe Budden
Yo, call out the masseuse real quick. The masseuse. Girl, call them out. Come out.
[136:46]
Flip
Come on, Mom.
[136:47]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I need a massage. Stop, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop.
[136:52]
Parks
Yo, that's why this.
[136:57]
Flip
I mean, say that part.
[137:03]
Joe Budden
My girl m up in this piece.
[137:04]
Flip
How do you feel, man? They m asked you when you heard.
[137:11]
Joe Budden
I want to break character for a minute, okay? I want to break character for a minute, cuz. Could have some fun with. With this. Or you could use it as a really, really, really teachable moment in front of a really large audience. So let me be mature and show some discipline and restraint and lead with. I absolutely love Fat Joe. Have all the respect in the world for Fat Joe. Bought Flo Joe when it dropped Jadicus.
[137:42]
Ice
New Year's go to Flo Jo.
[137:46]
Joe Budden
Would have dropped, no doubt. Flo Jo was one of the first instrumentals I spit on in like 93 somewhere around there. So I got a dip, fire, water, all that. So I have a different level of respect for not only Fat Joe, but I'm gonna always support anything that Jadakiss does. For sure. Anything that Kiss does, he has my support. That's a fact. Shout out to J Juan Shout out to Yonkers. For me in my 40s, it's been really important to unlearn stupid hip hop ideas, ideology. Like let me start with. There's nothing to even fight about here. Let's start with. We talking about a game where the tickets were the most expensive Nick playoff tickets in. In franchise history. Yeah.
[138:27]
Ice
Argue about tickets.
[138:28]
Joe Budden
The cheapest tickets in that building was 600, 700, 800, 874.
[138:32]
Ray Daniels
Joe.
[138:33]
Joe Budden
It was. Yeah. Knicks fan. Thank you.
[138:35]
Ray Daniels
874.
[138:36]
Joe Budden
That particular game was a lot. So this is all just like elitist jargon. I want to start there.
[138:42]
Ray Daniels
Yes.
[138:43]
Parks
4.0 verse, 4.6.
[138:45]
Joe Budden
Secondly. Secondly. Well, yeah, secondly, the Internet is not like a real place. I would expect a fat Joe to know that. I need more than Internet fodder to ever assume that there's really be with somebody. Me and 50 have over 20 years in. I never thought that that would escalate. And if I feel like that, I just need more than some Internet chat for me to feel like that, number one. Number two, if you fight in the Garden, you're banned for life. You're not doing it again. And if you're tough enough to fight there during a game, then my nigga, I don't assume any of us millionaire, multimillionaire nine figure people to do that at the Garden. I just don't. The lights is too bright and we there to watch a game. Which is the other brilliant concept I have. Which may be hard for people to grasp, but if I'm at the Knicks game, it's just cause I'm a Knick fan. I'm not there for the vanity play. I'm not there for the celeb role. I'm not there to be seen. I'm not in the record label seats, I'm not in the kith seats. I'm not in the comp seats. I'm in the seat that I wanted to purchase so I bought it. It's really just that simple. I'm not with all the extra hoopla out there, I'm not out here running around moving with the leverage of my management company or trying to be buddy buddy or friendly with rappers that I'm not really buddy buddy or friendly with. I'm the walking embodiment of. Of standing on my own too. And you know that, which is why you're using my name on your newly established platform, trying to get traction. Cause I'm the best in the biz. I recognize that too. Lastly, I just don't know what Joe Button seats mean. And because I have so much relationship equity with Fat Joe, I'll wait for him to tell me. I don't want to assume on one hand, where I come from, you would want to be seated behind your enemy.
[140:53]
Ice
If anything, that's where the logic comes.
[140:55]
Parks
That's the part I didn't follow the logic.
[140:57]
Joe Budden
Yeah, you wouldn't want to be seated in front of him. So if he was talking about that, I don't really get it. But that's on him. And lastly, maybe Joe Budden seats just means sitting behind somebody. You make a lot more than. Until we get clarity on it, we won't really know. But be clear. Reimagine how y' all mentioned my name in some of these conversations. I make a lot more than you niggas, so if I'm seated behind you, it's by choice. Enjoying some popcorn with my baby. I say that with all the respect in the world. So much love to Fat Joe and Jadakiss. I'll continue to support their broadcast and hopefully everyone out there will continue to do the same. But this is a non issue, you guys. Everybody back to work. Hey, hey, hey. If this is ever. This is a non starter. If this is ever comes to be something, then we'll address it later. But Joe and I talk. This is non starter salute to all. And go Knicks. Always.
[142:02]
Ice
Okay, what was the thing you called it?
[142:05]
Joe Budden
A.
[142:08]
Ray Daniels
Reset the palette.
[142:08]
Parks
Did it do it?
[142:09]
Joe Budden
Did it do it right?
[142:12]
Parks
Didn't work the way I thought it would, but you know what you say, right? Mooz doesn't feel bouged, you know?
[142:20]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Like we, we gotta be. We gotta be. It's important to not let things that you see on the Internet rile you up while things are going great. Man, that was a non starter shout out to those boys.
[142:30]
Ray Daniels
And then it's kinda like the guy in the front talking about the guy in the back of him, the second guy, not knowing that there's 300 other roles behind. It's like you almost like disrespect those people.
[142:39]
Joe Budden
But Wait, dawg, if I was sitting in the nosebleeds, I make more than you like. My seat should never come up in your conversation. If I was outside in a lawn chair watching on a phone mobile device, my. My seat shouldn't come up in none of y' all conversations. That was confusing a little bit. But teachers on.
[143:00]
Mark Lamont Hill
Any.
[143:01]
Ice
Who's your boosh?
[143:02]
Parks
There you go. Now my boosh is amused.
[143:05]
Joe Budden
Yeah, there we go. We good?
[143:06]
Mark Lamont Hill
Down.
[143:07]
Parks
All right. What else is going on in the world?
[143:11]
Joe Budden
They got Bris Brown, they got ice.
[143:14]
Ice
Take it away, Chris Brown.
[143:17]
Joe Budden
Red.
[143:18]
Ice
That was his free?
[143:21]
Melissa Ford
Nah, they got him over in United Kingdom. Picked him up from an old charge from a incident that occurred in a nightclub back in 2023, I believe.
[143:31]
Ice
Ah, way back then.
[143:33]
Joe Budden
And as soon as.
[143:34]
Melissa Ford
And as soon as he landed, they were waiting and picked him up. I don't. I don't understand how they didn't have that situation taken care of or something. Well, at least have your people to.
[143:45]
Joe Budden
Make sure we good. Nah, sometimes I ain't going to hold you. I understand it. Sometimes things could A, slip through the cracks or B, you'll put your team on it, they'll go check and there'll be a whole another building that you had to go to. This happened with me. And where was I? Toronto or some shit where you had to go to a specific building on 6th Avenue to get the clearance. You could have called every other building in the world and they said you, you good. But if you didn't go over there, they flagging you over there and we're locking you up. So sometimes your team don't know that building to get in touch with. Yeah, sometimes the cops are pulling the fast one and they just did it the night before. They just, hey, grab snap them like you don't know.
[144:24]
Flip
And he was denied bail.
[144:26]
Joe Budden
That's the crazy part.
[144:29]
Flip
July 13th.
[144:30]
Joe Budden
Wait, what? What? Hold on.
[144:31]
Melissa Ford
They're holding him to when?
[144:32]
Joe Budden
July.
[144:33]
Flip
Let me check.
[144:33]
Joe Budden
You sure somebody checked that? I thought I saw June.
[144:35]
Flip
No, his first. And his first show out there is July 10th.
[144:40]
Mark Lamont Hill
So he going to be in the.
[144:41]
Joe Budden
You got to be kidding.
[144:42]
Ray Daniels
They know what they doing. They being dramatic.
[144:45]
Melissa Ford
That is some wild right there.
[144:46]
Ice
This sounds like they'll get that result. It sounds like posturing.
[144:50]
Joe Budden
What.
[144:52]
Flip
The judge said is too severe bodily harm, too serious grievous bodily harm case.
[145:00]
Parks
I don't wanna allegedly smash somebody's head with a champagne bottle or a tequila bot. Whatever. Liquor bottle.
[145:05]
Mark Lamont Hill
Well, he's. No, he's. He's ordered to remain in custody till June 13th.
[145:09]
Flip
June 13th.
[145:10]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's June.
[145:11]
Flip
I'm sorry.
[145:15]
Joe Budden
Very different from July.
[145:18]
Ray Daniels
Coming for a concert. Now you sitting in jail for a month. Like what?
[145:21]
Joe Budden
That is crazy, bro.
[145:23]
Ray Daniels
You don't even know if you're getting out on June 13th. You just going to see a judge.
[145:26]
Joe Budden
Yeah, but you know what? He got to do it. He has to.
[145:30]
Melissa Ford
To do it.
[145:30]
Joe Budden
He has to go out there if there's charges and he gotta get locked up. Whatever has to be done in these other places while he's eligible for these Grammys and while he's getting his global star shit back. Part of that is I have to go show my face and clear up all of my grievances.
[145:47]
Melissa Ford
That is true.
[145:48]
Joe Budden
From the past.
[145:49]
Melissa Ford
That is true.
[145:49]
Joe Budden
It's true.
[145:50]
Mark Lamont Hill
His first tour date was scheduled for June 8th in Amsterdam.
[145:55]
Flip
It's June 8th.
[145:56]
Joe Budden
Right. Okay.
[145:56]
Flip
I got the month mixed up.
[145:57]
Melissa Ford
I'm sorry.
[145:57]
Joe Budden
All right, so we'll make you mix. Miss one of them.
[146:00]
Ray Daniels
Damn.
[146:00]
Joe Budden
We'll make you miss that one.
[146:01]
Ice
Maybe I better get it resolved before, though.
[146:04]
Joe Budden
Oh, you cut the right check, have.
[146:07]
Ray Daniels
The right people in your pocket that can call the people.
[146:11]
Ice
He's doing stadium tours.
[146:12]
Flip
No, man, but a lot of times the.
[146:13]
Joe Budden
The.
[146:13]
Ice
I think they're gonna get that result overseas.
[146:15]
Flip
They try to set examples.
[146:17]
Ray Daniels
He got a good manager. Aunt Nody, though.
[146:19]
Joe Budden
And somebody said to me that overseas might be mad at us for tariffs.
[146:23]
Ice
Oh, n. You can't take br.
[146:27]
Joe Budden
You can't do the whole.
[146:30]
Ice
They put a breezy ter.
[146:31]
Parks
A.
[146:32]
Joe Budden
They took Britney Griner for less straight up.
[146:35]
Parks
That's true.
[146:36]
Joe Budden
It took. It took Britney Griner for much less. Yeah, we could take Chris Brown with the tariff battle.
[146:42]
Ice
No, that was for the archangel of doom or whatever that. What was his name? The Merchant.
[146:47]
Melissa Ford
Merchant of Death.
[146:48]
Joe Budden
Merchant of Death.
[146:49]
Melissa Ford
Swap him out.
[146:51]
Joe Budden
These cut a deal, boy. Oh, my Lord. Yo, prayers are with Chris Brown.
[146:56]
Ice
Yeah, for sure.
[146:58]
Joe Budden
Hopefully they get that worked out. Especially before it's New York day, because me and my whole family is going to that.
[147:03]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, that's why I had to check.
[147:05]
Joe Budden
Wait, wait, no. We going to that Chris Brown. You crazy, Mel. You going to Chris Brown.
[147:08]
Mark Lamont Hill
When is it?
[147:09]
Melissa Ford
August 12th.
[147:11]
Joe Budden
Hot and Bother bay Little young boy. You want.
[147:16]
Flip
I think it was like he dressed up today.
[147:19]
Mark Lamont Hill
Shut the fuck up.
[147:20]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Who dressed you today, Mel?
[147:21]
Mark Lamont Hill
I dressed myself.
[147:22]
Joe Budden
Cause you dressed like tlc, right eye. You dress like you ain't too proud to beg. Nah.
[147:27]
Flip
Cream.
[147:28]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[147:29]
Joe Budden
I like this look on you.
[147:30]
Mark Lamont Hill
Thank you. I was gonna take that all as a compliment.
[147:33]
Joe Budden
Yes. I always been a sucker, though. For the fucking jeans that sag when girls are doing the whole. That's cute, that's cute. Get your shit off.
[147:39]
Ray Daniels
Thank you.
[147:39]
Joe Budden
Thank you. What else is there? So we praying for Chris Brown. Tory. Let's get to Tory. Let's get all the newsy depressed. Yeah, yeah, I really want. Let's get all the niggas and dudes out of the way. What's the name of that group? Unite. Unite. Unite. Something. Some group.
[147:57]
Ice
Sounds like a mark.
[147:58]
Joe Budden
Question mark. Don't know because he's Team Meg, so he ain't. He ain't checking for nothing. So nothing. No group trying to help Tory get out. But anyway, some attorneys came forward and said that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial overheard some things.
[148:14]
Melissa Ford
Unite the people.
[148:15]
Joe Budden
Unite. There you go. Unite the people. Thank you. Freeze. Unite the people. Came forward to say that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial came forward to say that he couldn't sleep any longer knowing that an innocent man was in jail and that he overheard conversations of Kelsey claiming that she was the person to fire that weapon and shoot. Yada yada yada, yada yada yada.
[148:38]
Parks
I.
[148:38]
Joe Budden
That's what we got.
[148:40]
Mark Lamont Hill
Doesn't that qualify as hearsay? And why is he just talking about it now? Like I'm, I'm just so confused.
[148:47]
Flip
He didn't want to protect her anymore. He said.
[148:53]
Joe Budden
I'm over it.
[148:54]
Melissa Ford
I'm sorry.
[148:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
It's ridiculous.
[148:56]
Melissa Ford
And, and all right, so again, he was not charged with shooting her, but.
[149:03]
Flip
He was charged with assault with a semi automatic firearm. Discharging the firearm.
[149:07]
Parks
He was basically charging.
[149:09]
Flip
So what I'm saying is that. Freeze. If his fingerprints was not on the firearm, then that means that these trials, these charges should be dropped or shouldn't be filed in the first place. If his fingerprint was not on the firearm, that means that he didn't assault with a semiautomatic firearm and he didn't discharge a firearm with gross negligence.
[149:29]
Joe Budden
Yeah, everything that Flip said. Also on the last day of the trial, his bodyguard was supposed to take the stand. But due to somebody saying prosecution saying they would need more time with him, which would delay things, Tory and them chose for the bodyguard to not hit the stand. I think that was a grave mistake. 1. Also, all of this coincides with the reporting from the neighbor that was not allowed, which said, I saw two girls talking. She fired off and a man came and yada yada yada. So I don't think that this helps Tori, but it's funny how when, when it's the man that's the victim in trying to protect a black woman. Nobody gives a fuck if he goes to jail for 10 years and is railroaded. But I learned that three, four years ago post pandemic about y' all. So I don't even talk about it no more. But a lot of people with a brain thought that it was more likely that two chicks found out they was fucking the same nigga and one of them shot the other one, versus two chicks found out they were fucking with the same dude and the dude shot one of them in the foot. Do with that what you will. He's away. I don't think he's coming home.
[150:44]
Parks
Yeah, he's.
[150:45]
Joe Budden
That's what I got for you there.
[150:46]
Parks
This is what I'll say to the first part. I agree he wasn't charged with assault with a deadly weapon, but he was charged in conviction of possession of a weapon, discharging a weapon, and assault with the weapon.
[150:59]
Joe Budden
But that wasn't his weapon. And some people know that.
[151:01]
Parks
Yeah.
[151:01]
Melissa Ford
And it don't have to. And it don't have to be his.
[151:03]
Parks
Weapon to catch those charges.
[151:04]
Melissa Ford
You know that.
[151:05]
Parks
Say that again.
[151:05]
Melissa Ford
It didn't have to be his weapon to catch those charges.
[151:07]
Parks
Yeah, I'm not saying it was his weapon.
[151:08]
Joe Budden
Okay. But I'm real rolled if whoever's weapon it was has immunity.
[151:12]
Parks
That's a different. That's a different question.
[151:14]
Joe Budden
I'm railroaded if that happens. We just always ignore the railroad. And not saying that that means not getting. I'm just talking about a railroad. A railroad means I should get a retry.
[151:27]
Parks
On what basis? I'm just trying to follow.
[151:28]
Joe Budden
Well, he was. Well, Tory was arguing that his representation was incompetent.
[151:32]
Parks
Oh, that's a different issue. Yeah, absolutely.
[151:34]
Melissa Ford
I agree with that.
[151:35]
Parks
I support due process. I want him to get his new.
[151:36]
Joe Budden
Troy's gonna find. Well, it's his job now, right, to find as many reasons to try to get a new trial as possible.
[151:43]
Parks
Yeah, I find. Here's what I. I have found that the people who defend Tory Lane Lanes have passionately misrepresented what happened in that courtroom and what the evidence was. And for me, when I hear more information, I always have to double and triple check it. Not because I have an investment in who goes to jail or not, but because I've just not found it to be credible. In the case of this person who overheard somebody saying that this. They did something, I can't say he's lying or not. It's hard for me to believe, though, that this person is Just coming forward now. And it's hard for me to believe that Tory Lanez never explicitly said on trial, Kelsey shot the weapon.
[152:29]
Joe Budden
He fucked himself.
[152:30]
Parks
And it's hard for me to.
[152:31]
Joe Budden
Actually, he said the opposite.
[152:32]
Parks
It's hard for me.
[152:33]
Joe Budden
She did not.
[152:34]
Parks
Right. So now. And he. So for this new person to be telling the truth, it means that Tory had to have lied about who the.
[152:42]
Joe Budden
Real shooter was, which he could say I was under the instructions from my counsel, which was poor counsel.
[152:49]
Parks
Right. Or sometimes things are what they look like. And so it's hard for me to believe that he sat there on trial knowing he was looking at 10 years, knowing who the shooter was, seeing the shooter, being there with the shooter, and not only didn't identify the shooter, but said the opposite, said that wasn't the shooter. That seems implausible to me. The outside person notwithstanding. I'm not one of those people that only wants to listen to. I've been fighting for Mumia Abu Jamal's liberation since 1980. And people have come forward and said I was the shooter. I saw the shooter. And I've heard people reject our claims because they say, why would somebody come later? I'm not that person that says, just because. Just because it ain't my person. I won't listen to them. That's not my point.
[153:28]
Joe Budden
I've been fighting for 35 years for justice for Roddy. Roddy Piper, nigga.
[153:32]
Parks
It's not going to happen as long as he wears that skirt.
[153:35]
Flip
Rest in peace.
[153:36]
Joe Budden
No, no. I'm talking right now.
[153:38]
Parks
Of course.
[153:38]
Joe Budden
But you still. What Mark is saying.
[153:40]
Parks
Yeah. I'm not like that guy. Cuz.
[153:42]
Joe Budden
He's not.
[153:42]
Parks
Cuz I'm. I'm Team Meg. It's not that. It's. It just doesn't. It doesn't fit to me logically. It doesn't. It doesn't fit with what I think would happen.
[153:49]
Joe Budden
I disagree with that. But I do agree he didn't do himself favors. Why he didn't do himself favors.
[153:55]
Melissa Ford
Even prior to the trial, he didn't do himself favors.
[153:57]
Ray Daniels
He just made a lot of. Can I tell you why?
[154:00]
Mark Lamont Hill
That first phone call, like the first.
[154:02]
Melissa Ford
I get that first phone call.
[154:06]
Joe Budden
Everybody slow down, slow down, slow down.
[154:07]
Parks
Sorry.
[154:07]
Joe Budden
Go.
[154:08]
Ray Daniels
I'm about. Say I have not seen one person never go to jail for 10 years for shooting a ground and they grazing someone. I felt the. I felt the. The sentence was longer than the crime.
[154:17]
Mark Lamont Hill
Who's the woman that shot up in the.
[154:19]
Parks
Marissa Alexander. Marissa Alexander. She actually ended up hitting somebody, though. But what's that.
[154:24]
Joe Budden
Are you talking about Shine? I didn't hear who you were.
[154:26]
Mark Lamont Hill
No, no, no.
[154:26]
Ray Daniels
The woman.
[154:26]
Parks
Marissa Alexander. The woman who shot the warning shot in the ceiling. And there's a whole thing.
[154:31]
Ray Daniels
No, I would just say I don't think the crime. So I think my point is this. I don't think Tory thought they gonna give me 10 years for a cut on the foot. I really don't think he thought that. I thought it was the same thing. Like, yo, we had some friends, shit went bad. We celebrities, so we know better now. Cause shit blew up. And now it's like, Nigga, I'm doing 10 years.
[154:47]
Joe Budden
And I like both these girls. I like both the girls. Not me. I'm saying him saying I have relationships with both of these women. I don't wanna. If there's a way for all of us to get out of this, Scott. Freedom, I'd rather that option. I just think that they turned on him faster than he realized and he never caught up. But do I believe that Tory Lane shot. I've said this a million times already, so y' all don't need me to say it again.
[155:12]
Parks
I'm confident that he did. I'm not a big prison person, as y' all knows. I don't know if 10 years is the right sentence. I would say that's what I was asking. I would say it isn't.
[155:21]
Ray Daniels
Like three years feels like fair, but.
[155:22]
Parks
I think there's a lot of ways to resolve this. I don't know if put him in a cage between.
[155:25]
Joe Budden
But why do you think it's more plausible that Tory did it versus Kelsey?
[155:29]
Parks
Based on the witnesses. Based on the fact that he said.
[155:31]
Joe Budden
The witnesses that they allowed.
[155:33]
Parks
I'm talking about him. He said Kelsey didn't do it.
[155:35]
Melissa Ford
Yeah.
[155:35]
Joe Budden
Okay. Well, are you talking about the witnesses that they allowed, including himself?
[155:40]
Parks
Yes, I'm talking about everybody.
[155:41]
Joe Budden
You're talking about what everybody's initial plan was, which was, hey, let's find the neighbor, let's let that person testify, and let's let the other. Only other person that was there, the body, was guard. Testify. You're not looking at that because they didn't hit the stand.
[155:53]
Parks
I'm looking at all the evidence we've had access to. And I'm saying, what is your Philadelphia.
[155:58]
Joe Budden
Brain tell you, my Phil? I don't do well when we start talking in court.
[156:01]
Parks
Tv, take all the legal shit off the table. My gut just what some hood shit is. I think he shot the gun. I think he was drunk. I think he did some Wild shit. I suspect Megan Kelsey had some other shit going on. I know they got into some kind of physical argument. There could be more messiness it like this. I think there's more messiness to this case than the court proceedings would suggest. But at the end of the day, I feel very confident that he shot that guy.
[156:24]
Joe Budden
Yeah, but that didn't answer my question.
[156:28]
Flip
You from outside and, you know, a lot of things aren't.
[156:31]
Parks
He had gunpowder on his hands.
[156:33]
Melissa Ford
He could have been fighting to get the gun from her, got the gunpowder on his hands.
[156:36]
Parks
I don't know.
[156:37]
Melissa Ford
She could have got out, shot that gun.
[156:39]
Joe Budden
Oh, shit.
[156:39]
Melissa Ford
Give me, give me. What are you doing? Give me.
[156:41]
Ray Daniels
Nothing. No one got.
[156:45]
Parks
He would let that happen and then say, she ain't doing on the stand.
[156:48]
Melissa Ford
If I'm trying to protect everybody, I don't see it.
[156:51]
Joe Budden
See, and that's. And that's where I find the fold.
[156:54]
Parks
Under that kind of pressure. They don't actually.
[156:55]
Melissa Ford
No, but that's because they know. They like, if you got bad representation and they're telling you, yo, we can beat this, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All right, cool. She's going to make it out. She's going to make it out, and then I'll be fine.
[157:07]
Parks
If your lawyer is Ernest J. Fr, I don't care who. You got the worst lawyer ever. You are. Are not going to tell your client. We have exculpatory. We have the shooter. You saw the shooter. We know the shooter. Say not only don't snitch, but also say that wasn't the shooter. Even the worst lawyer in the world ain't doing it.
[157:27]
Joe Budden
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, but that's false. That's not true. His attorney could have very well been saying to him, like many people were saying publicly at the time. I think we got this covered. I don't think we even need the testimony of your bodyguard. I think with some of the findings of the gun.
[157:46]
Ray Daniels
Joe, you remember, that.
[157:47]
Parks
Would explain why he doesn't snitch on her. That doesn't explain why he would deny the. That he would actually effectively perjure himself to put himself in the crime, not out of the crime.
[157:56]
Joe Budden
Well, because the story that he was.
[157:57]
Melissa Ford
He put that on the Instagram comment. He purged himself. He just literally was replying to somebody. Again, again, I'm trying to keep this clean and keep it off everybody. Yo, that was not true. No, she did not. She didn't do that. Not realizing what conscience of that was going to be.
[158:11]
Parks
That's an interesting point.
[158:12]
Ray Daniels
I think. I think a gun went. I think regardless of what happened, regardless of what happened, I think a gunner went off. No one really got hurt. Everybody's going to be fine. And then the other emotional things occurred, and that's what really drove him to go to jail. I think that if they was all still friends and it was a mistake, it would have been like, no, we don't know. And to me, that was my only problem. Like you was.
[158:30]
Parks
I think that's true.
[158:31]
Ray Daniels
You wanted to go at the ground. You wanted to put him in. Even though, mind you, maybe an inch over, somebody would have been dead. But it wasn't. So at that moment, it should have been like, well, it was a bad mistake. Let it go. Sentence, probation. But 10 years.
[158:42]
Parks
I think 10 years is way too much.
[158:44]
Joe Budden
I think on. On. On his side, they thought they were coming up with a story where everybody would be okay.
[158:49]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[158:50]
Joe Budden
And reasonable doubt. It didn't. Yeah.
[158:51]
Melissa Ford
All we got to do is prove.
[158:52]
Ray Daniels
Reasonable doubt that we don't know what happened. So we can't even.
[158:54]
Melissa Ford
Her getting the immunity would be part of the reasonable doubt. And what I think happened was why she needed immunity. That should tell y' all something right there.
[159:01]
Joe Budden
That's when I would have folded on her.
[159:03]
Ray Daniels
True.
[159:03]
Joe Budden
Second she got immunity, I would have folded her.
[159:05]
Ray Daniels
Yep.
[159:06]
Parks
Unless she didn't do it, then you can't fold.
[159:08]
Joe Budden
If she didn't do it, I still folded on her. Oh, you talking about. I'm trying to save my ass in. The only other person that could have did it.
[159:16]
Melissa Ford
Did it. Some gotta keep it real, as they say.
[159:19]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[159:20]
Flip
I'm saying. I think that's what it comes down to.
[159:22]
Joe Budden
Keeping it real. Goes along.
[159:24]
Ray Daniels
What would happen to his reputation if he was. Have basically snitched at a girl?
[159:27]
Joe Budden
Exactly.
[159:28]
Ray Daniels
Like he might not have a career. It's like it's. It's a. It's a trick bag no matter what for him.
[159:31]
Joe Budden
I know. And that's where the. And that's where Let me queue up the ledge oh, let me queue up the ledge Cuz Ray said it but I'm going say it again I don't want to trigger nobody Sip the juice.
[159:55]
Melissa Ford
I got enough to go around and the thought takes place uptown I grew up on a sidewalk why don't you keep talking Lip talk.
[160:02]
Joe Budden
I go from dog I go to.
[160:03]
Ray Daniels
Queens for Queens to get the food.
[160:04]
Flip
From Brooklyn they funny in Manhattan and.
[160:06]
Melissa Ford
Never been talking Go uptown in a.
[160:08]
Joe Budden
Bronx and bring me down there's more risk than reward when it comes to protecting women from Men.
[160:21]
Mark Lamont Hill
Say more words.
[160:22]
Ray Daniels
You're not wrong.
[160:24]
Joe Budden
Nope, I will not. You will not shaft me. But there's more risk than reward when it comes to that. Presuming that his story is true. Hey, I popped two of them. One of them tried to kill the other one. I stopped her, grabbed it, knocked her hand down. Meg was turned around. We all was pissy drunk, leaving the pool party party for him to get jammed up like that.
[160:50]
Parks
And why.
[160:51]
Joe Budden
And.
[160:52]
Parks
And I don't. There might be more risk and reward. I think doing the right thing always comes with more risk to reward. That's why more people don't do it right. So, yeah, I might not disagree with you on that point, but why would if. If that story is true, right? She's mad at the girlfriend for homeboy. They scrapping, they doing whoopty whoop. Why? Why would it be important to her to frame him? And she shot her. In this hypothetical, why would she be trying so hard to let her off the hook?
[161:22]
Joe Budden
Well, I don't wanna say she. Right, because the stories say that it's greater than Meg and none of this is her plan. The story puts this in other hands that I won't say. Okay, so it's not about Meg. Meg is a helpless victim here. Meg has absolutely no control over story. Her words. None of that.
[161:43]
Parks
Like Stockholm.
[161:44]
Flip
No, no, no, no, no.
[161:48]
Joe Budden
Power dynamics. Power dynamics.
[161:52]
Parks
Okay, that's a stretch to me, but I get the argument. I just don't buy it.
[161:57]
Joe Budden
I'm not making it. I think I'm not qualified to make it.
[162:00]
Ray Daniels
Can I tell you what happened? I think everybody knew what happened. He got railroaded. Niggas was like, that's fucked up. But he seemed like. He hold his head up. He seemed to good. And then he got stabbed. And it was like, hold up. This might have got killed. And then it's like.
[162:11]
Joe Budden
See, now that's. That's where I jump off the conspiracy theory bandwagon.
[162:15]
Parks
Thank you.
[162:15]
Joe Budden
I do not believe that his stabbing is at all related to the new evidence that they were about to release.
[162:20]
Ray Daniels
But it came with the other way around.
[162:23]
Melissa Ford
Didn't go the other way around.
[162:24]
Ray Daniels
You know, he think so.
[162:25]
Parks
Let me ask you a question first before we have further. Okay. What shape is that? Is that object on the table?
[162:29]
Ray Daniels
It's round.
[162:29]
Parks
Okay. Just making sure we go down a conspiracy theory train. I just got to know how far.
[162:33]
Ray Daniels
Nah, bro, I'm not a conspiracy at all.
[162:35]
Parks
Tell me why you think that's the most plausible reason.
[162:38]
Ray Daniels
It was just a timing thing. It's like Cassie been trying to get money from Puff. He won't pay. Drop the lawsuit, pay in 24 hours. So to me it was just like a timing. Like Tory Lane gets stabbed up in jail. Oh my God. He got stabbed 14 times. Seven punching, lung, critical condition. That shit tends to like get consciousness in people. Like, damn. Or you know what I mean? Like.
[162:56]
Parks
Or he got stabbed. Or as a team, said, said, let's try and get out. Let's try and get early release. Let's do all the shit you do when you got public sympathy for the first time.
[163:05]
Ray Daniels
True, by the way, that could be either. But I do believe that the news and the stabbing were connected.
[163:10]
Parks
Oh, I don't doubt that they're connected.
[163:11]
Ray Daniels
That's what I'm saying to Joseph.
[163:12]
Parks
I'm just saying I don't think there's a mission to silence the evidence. I think he's like, oh shit, this might be an opportunity to make something.
[163:16]
Joe Budden
I'm with you.
[163:17]
Melissa Ford
But some people were saying it in reverse as the conspiracy as they knew this was coming and this is why the stabbing occurred.
[163:24]
Parks
And that's what I thought you were saying.
[163:26]
Melissa Ford
That's what the conspiracy coming. Whoever.
[163:29]
Ray Daniels
Oh, okay.
[163:30]
Melissa Ford
Whoever knew that this was about to.
[163:33]
Ray Daniels
Come out, they wouldn't take him out.
[163:34]
Melissa Ford
Take him out before this comes out.
[163:35]
Parks
That's what I thought you were saying.
[163:38]
Ray Daniels
That's a great theory. I was just a great theory.
[163:42]
Melissa Ford
The other way though.
[163:43]
Parks
Crazy theory though.
[163:44]
Melissa Ford
That is crazy to me.
[163:45]
Parks
No, Powers that be are not that invested in Tory Lane.
[163:46]
Ray Daniels
No, it could be. No, they are.
[163:48]
Melissa Ford
No, I.
[163:49]
Ray Daniels
They are.
[163:49]
Mark Lamont Hill
Who's they?
[163:50]
Ray Daniels
To me, I think the system is. I think that. Listen, I think there's a clear cut attack on hip hop and black men in hip hop. Anytime you're a cool nigga is attack on you. I just, it's like, it's obvious. Like Tory Lane's in jail for 10 years for somebody got shot the floor and a woman, don't get me wrong.
[164:06]
Joe Budden
All wrong.
[164:06]
Ray Daniels
But 10 years, my nigga.
[164:08]
Joe Budden
And let me, let me add on to what Ray is saying. Even though I just jumped in and crucified online for whatever, I'm gonna take part of that. I agree with Mark. I don't think the powers to be are so invested in Tory. I just think at the time of this whole kerfuff, there was a lot more money to be made on the Meg side. And anybody that can stop that money, well, yeah, now a lot is at stake. I don't think Tory was that important. I think Tory being the cog that could maybe stop that other money train is why it was important, and that's.
[164:38]
Ray Daniels
Why I think why he's important. It's people like, we need that nigga. Stand right where he at.
[164:42]
Joe Budden
I mean, I just think they did it, though. They got him. They got him.
[164:46]
Parks
I don't think they need to send prison stabbings to keep him in prison. He's staying.
[164:49]
Joe Budden
Well, the story that's floating around now now is that, first of all, I. We in the. We in the. The information age, so I know more than I want to know. I didn't want to know the charges of the dude that stabbed Tori. I never asked for that. Right. I never asked for that. So thank y' all for telling me that. He took a shotgun, and I won't even say and he was a pedophile. Awesome. But apparently the word. Word Tory got disrespectful on his wife. Yeah. Yeah. With his wife. And that's how it came about. I'm not in there. I don't know what to believe. It's a lot of rumors. I don't know. I just pray that Tory is okay.
[165:30]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[165:31]
Joe Budden
And it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. I think him being in there is unfortunate. I think him leaving the radio station Freestyle to go to Kylie house because it sounded like a good time again. Discipline, discipline. They're gonna get most of you through your penis, and the devil is gonna call with something that sounds like a blast. He gonna call with a pool party with your favorite vixens, your favorite models, some drugs and ecstasy, all that that they'll later take you to court for. So you have to be careful. You have to be careful. Yeah, that's. That's what I got for black men out there. Like, be careful now. Cry, like later. Try later.
[166:10]
Parks
What y' all got for ddg?
[166:14]
Joe Budden
That's the one where my age kind of caught up for me. I don't know all of the details with ddg, so.
[166:20]
Parks
So the. The latest is that his partner, Halle Bailey, or former partner, filed for solo custody, temporary physical and legal custody of their son Halo. She says that that DDG abused her both emotionally and physically. And because of those allegations, she has been granted that custody. Of course, the Internet always has their opinions on what that means or the why of it. And I think there's a temporary.
[166:51]
Joe Budden
Yep.
[166:52]
Flip
There's also restraining order.
[166:53]
Parks
Temporary restraining order where he has to remain over 100 yards away from both her and the Maybe. And that expires on the court hearing date, which is June 4th.
[167:05]
Joe Budden
See, this is my thing. If he did those things, then get DDG the fuck out of here. But if he didn't do those things, there's a clear blueprint and pamphlet that's being handed out to women as how to railroad a nigga that they trying to railroad.
[167:20]
Ray Daniels
It's the easiest way.
[167:21]
Joe Budden
If I want full custody, I don't want this nigga to see the kid. I want him to lose all rights and privileges. Privileges. Then when I found. When I found this shit that I'm about to found, I'm about to say a whole bunch of nasty things. And when you get your lawyer, he'll tell you that those things are for public finding. So true or not, it's gonna read, hey, he did X, Y and Z. And that's gonna make you look away. There's no way for an innocent man to win in this. I'm not speaking on whether he's innocent or not. I do not know.
[167:50]
Ray Daniels
I'm glad you said. I was gonna say my only thing. Thing is, is that it doesn't matter. The world's gonna hate. The world's gonna hate ddg. He's a monster. Fuck him. He needs to die. He needs to go away and they gonna go. And he has to go through all of this process. So for me, I just wish that we can get back to the place where we give and it feels like it's a man thing. Like men the due process of like finding all of the things rather than just automatically painting them as a bad picture. Cause to me, it's like. It's like we be with the shit sometimes too. We do it together. So. But for some reason, it's like with Bobby and Whitney, it was. Everybody was like, Bobby got on drugs. And after Whitney goes and everybody's like, turns out, Bobby was like, I was the lightweight. But it's like. But look at how much Bobby career suffered because they thought that he was that. So to me, it's like ain't.
[168:29]
Joe Budden
Ain't weighing the risk when they dating. Angel Face, she just. Angel face, beautiful young world loves her. Nobody would ever think that Angel Face could be on.
[168:42]
Ice
If that's the case.
[168:43]
Mark Lamont Hill
If that's.
[168:45]
Parks
And this is where for me, the believe women conversation has to begin. And this is what I mean because people often hear when I say believe women, that means believe all women at all times, under all circumstances. And that is not the case for me it is though. Let's begin from a presumption of honesty and innocence from the person making the claim. That same benefit should be Given to me, men, it's just we. That's not usually a struggle, though.
[169:15]
Ray Daniels
That's not what we do.
[169:16]
Parks
So, you know, if a dude calls and says certain things happen, we may be more inclined to buy it, you know, not the courts. I'm talking about us. In our society, courts don't listen to men. Black men very often at all.
[169:26]
Melissa Ford
We don't either.
[169:27]
Joe Budden
Right.
[169:28]
Parks
And so when in this case, I would say, let's investigate. Let's find out what really happened. But if she says that she's been physically and emotionally abused, and emotional abuse can be more complicated, too. Cause that can be. You know, there's relationships, and every relationship is somebody who's probably saying they're being emotionally abused. Right? Not to dismiss it. Just say it's complicated. But if she says, this motherfucker is hitting me and I feel unsafe, I don't want to begin from a presumption that she's not telling the truth. And I think what I'm seeing online is a lot of people beginning from that place that this is spite. This is this. This is this. And again, I don't doubt that they're religious.
[170:04]
Joe Budden
You see?
[170:05]
Ray Daniels
Oh, I see that. I see the.
[170:09]
Flip
Mark, there's too many situations of women crying wolf.
[170:12]
Joe Budden
Mark.
[170:13]
Flip
There's too many situations of women crying wolf. And hold on, these things keep coming out. So it's hard for you to just look at somebody and say, oh, she's completely innocent. You know what I mean?
[170:23]
Ice
Statistically, sorry, there's probably more cases of domestic violence than there are.
[170:28]
Flip
Yes, that's back in the day.
[170:32]
Mark Lamont Hill
Right now.
[170:32]
Flip
No, wait, stop. Because y' all do this a lot, and then it cuts. Give me a second. I'm not talking about the domestic violence issue. I'm talking about right now on the Internet. And on the Internet, currently, there are a lot of false reports that's happening against men and men that are in. That are in position finding it is happening currently. Domestic violence, of course, is still going on, of course, since back in the days women hired, they're scared to leave, they end up going back home.
[170:59]
Joe Budden
And a people.
[170:59]
Flip
Lot of the worst things happen to them. I'm not negating that. I'm just saying right now, with social media being involved, there are a lot of cases that's coming out where people are lying, women are lying on men. I just want to make that work clear.
[171:10]
Joe Budden
I would like to add to Flip's point, but I want to take the focus off of the women and put it on the attorneys of women.
[171:19]
Melissa Ford
It's A big business right now.
[171:21]
Joe Budden
That's where a lot of the shit that we, the attorneys, come in and say, what are you trying to get done? This is the way to get that done. Interneys come in and encourage certain things to be said on these reports, especially if it's a man with some type of clout or power.
[171:38]
Melissa Ford
Hey, we. We just talked about. You just brought it up, Wayne. Kicking old girl out the house.
[171:42]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[171:43]
Melissa Ford
What if she went to a lawyer first before the Internet?
[171:45]
Joe Budden
I do better than that. Mark just said the other day, yo, some of the things that come along with Tony Busby I look at with a different.
[171:52]
Melissa Ford
Yes.
[171:52]
Joe Budden
Well, why do we look at it with a different eye? Because we know that there's attorneys out there that's playing certain games and using people, most times women, as pawns to get their shit off. That should not negate the woman that this actually happens to.
[172:05]
Ray Daniels
Exactly.
[172:05]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[172:07]
Ray Daniels
My only thing is, is that we just got to get to a place where men are losing things and collapsing before we even go through the process. And to me, it's like. And let me tell you something, bro, this really happened to me. These. I know these guys ain't smart. I really think I'm smart. Like, you can't. I'm going, I'm ready ahead. So one of my. A girl I'm in a relationship with, very known girl comes to my hotel room because she think I got a girl there. I don't want to let her in. And then I let her. I'm like, there's no girl in here. So she pushed the door, but she attacks me. She attacks me the whole time we in my hotel room. As much as I'm getting attacked, Joe the Virgo in me is saying, ray, say something loud. So I'm saying, stop hitting me. Stop throwing stuff at me. Stop hitting me.
[172:45]
Joe Budden
What are you doing?
[172:46]
Ray Daniels
So when the police come, because they came to the room and she's like, he, he, he. They said all they heard was a man yelling for a woman to stop hitting him. That's why I got off. Now imagine I wasn't smart to do that. That was my first day at Epic Records, my first A and R meeting. I just didn't want to be around her, and I want to focus on my shit. And she thought I had a girl came and attacked me, and all that happened. And guess what? I'm. I'm. I'm like, yo, this can go bad. She's hit me. I'm just like, somebody hearing, these dudes ain't young enough to understand it, you got to remember something. And it's not saying who's right, who's wrong. But let's be clear. DDG is connected to whoever he's connected to, but it's not as strong as the people that Haley is connected to. Same with Megan Thee Stallion, and Tory Lanez. So let's stop acting like there are people that are like, I know how to get around this, but we gotta hit first, and this how we hit. And it's. It's unfair, but I'm telling you. And that same chick tried to ruin my career. Told everybody he hit me. He did this. It was a lie. It was a lie. And guess what I had to do. I went and got her back in front of all of them just to show them she was lying. So now I'm at the table with her again. Like, we together. And they looking like, what is he doing here? If he was that person, Nigga, I wasn't. She was lying. She just wanted y' all to hate me because she know I got the glow, and she don't. That really be happening sometimes.
[173:56]
Joe Budden
Sorry, dog. I could talk for hours on. On my experiences, but women be out.
[174:00]
Ray Daniels
Here trying to get you. You meet a chick, they want money. It's natural. And by the way, men trying to get women, we all trying to get each other. We trying to get to what we want, and they trying to get what they want. But what I'm saying is that everybody's not all. One side is not all guilty, and one side is not all innocent. And I'm like, a fan of yours when you came out. But the funny, the thing I like the most about you, I went to talk to you because I'm like, this always takes the women's side. Like, damn. Like, can a man. I love Mark, but I'm like, he always takes the woman's side. And listen, if he's a man and he says he's a trans man, she's gonna take. Because as a woman, you take that. And I'm just like, mark, we are. Black men are being attacked, and you are one of the biggest voices out here. And what I'm saying is that if you don't give a voice a reason, one of the smart ones I'm gonna look at as an ignorant nigga. But you're a smart one. So if you don't give reason, you just allowing them the real road. As many of our black men as. What have I ever said no, Mark, Mark, when the woman. Mark, you always say, I'm with A woman. I'm with her. That's why I knew you was. That's why we brought up. I'm like, I can't wait to hear Mark on.
[174:54]
Parks
I don't think that's the case. But have you ever seen me take an unreasonable position on an issue between men and women?
[174:59]
Ray Daniels
I'm a fan of yours.
[175:00]
Parks
I don't think I.
[175:01]
Ray Daniels
But it feels like it's always, if a man did it, he's the piece of shit.
[175:05]
Parks
You feel like that's what happened in this conversation today?
[175:08]
Ray Daniels
No, no, no, not right now. But I wanted to get your thoughts. That's why I brought it up.
[175:10]
Parks
Because right now you're not watching the clip. You're watching the whole conversation. A lot of times it's nuanced.
[175:13]
Ray Daniels
Yeah, for sure.
[175:14]
Ice
That's true.
[175:14]
Ray Daniels
That's true, too.
[175:15]
Parks
When you hear the whole conversation.
[175:16]
Ray Daniels
But that's why I want to get your opinion on it. But at the same time, I'm telling you, as brilliant as you are, at some point in time, as black. Black man. Because you gotta look at. Listen, I worked in the music business, and for. For 15 years, my career, I was clear Joe. I didn't know I was black. I was the black guy that did business with everybody. So when you get in those rooms, you start hearing how they try you, how they drop notes. So they. It's a really slick, like, what they call passive aggressive way of putting things in the air, saying, how Joe gonna feel for this? So they'll be in the staff meeting and be like, jay Z is really not gonna let anybody make money with him. So while we do business with him, a white man says that. What do you think he's saying that for? He's trying to read the room. Let me see how these motherfuckers gonna react so I can know how far I could take it. So when you just like, yeah, he did it. They like, well, the educated man is saying, he did it. We can all say when. You should say, let's go through the due process. I love Haley, I love ddg. But I always look at who's connected to who because they were young and in love. Somebody was in the house like this. How we gonna handle this? DDG is a little. That just wants to fucking stream. That's all. All he wants to do is stream and rap. I don't know what she is. And by the way, if you follow ddg, he talks about music streaming and his child and his kids.
[176:20]
Joe Budden
All he cares about is that lady.
[176:21]
Ray Daniels
So at some. And another thing Remember I used to.
[176:24]
Joe Budden
Say that he couldn't have done those things?
[176:25]
Parks
No, that's my point.
[176:27]
Ray Daniels
I'm not saying that at all. I don't want to say it.
[176:29]
Parks
And I didn't say he didn't. I mean, he did, right? I began by saying this is why I begin from presumption that anybody, male or female, man or woman. I begin from. If you say that you were abused, I begin from a premise of believing, but also investigating so we can find out. I don't think we should ever not investigate.
[176:46]
Ray Daniels
Thank you for that.
[176:46]
Parks
I don't think we should ever say just because you said it is true. But historically, when it comes to sexual assault in particular, if a woman said it, we begin from presumption of prove you're not lying.
[176:57]
Mark Lamont Hill
Exactly.
[176:58]
Parks
As opposed to what was your initial.
[177:00]
Joe Budden
Reaction to Jussie Smollett?
[177:04]
Parks
Same as it is now.
[177:05]
Joe Budden
You know, I don't know what it is.
[177:07]
Parks
I'm trying to avenge that ugly attack that happened to him. And I've gone looking for the MAGA people myself to help to liberate Yo Joe Face was half the room was like this.
[177:20]
Melissa Ford
I ain't gonna hold you. I'm like, it can't be us.
[177:22]
Ray Daniels
That's maga. It can't be us.
[177:24]
Joe Budden
I love it.
[177:25]
Parks
Jussie and I are very, very cool.
[177:28]
Joe Budden
Yo, your network, your network.
[177:32]
Melissa Ford
Hold up. Did you DM DM him when it first happened?
[177:34]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[177:34]
Parks
No, I called him.
[177:36]
Joe Budden
Oh my God. Yo, get Miz the fuck outta here, man.
[177:41]
Parks
The more it was almost like the Chappelle baby. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I mean, I had two thoughts. One, my first thought. I spent a lot of time in Chicago. I'll be in Chicago June 1st. By the way. Check me out there also be in Sabina tonight.
[177:54]
Joe Budden
Shameless.
[177:55]
Mark Lamont Hill
That was a.
[177:56]
Parks
But I go to Sabina. I mean I go to Chicago in June 4th a reason? Cuz it's cold as in Chicago between September and like the day before I get there in June, right? And then it's hot as balls from, you know, facts.
[178:11]
Mark Lamont Hill
So.
[178:11]
Flip
Yes, yes.
[178:11]
Parks
So when he said at 3am he went to subway and he walked for hours to get especially a subway.
[178:19]
Ice
You're not walking to subway.
[178:20]
Flip
Who the.
[178:20]
Parks
Not even Uber. Not walking to the car in Chicago. So it had nothing to do with race, nothing to do with sexuality.
[178:26]
Joe Budden
Where'd you stand on that? Kevin Hart car accident.
[178:31]
Parks
Kevin, I grew up like two blocks from each other.
[178:32]
Melissa Ford
What?
[178:33]
Parks
Mark from Philadelphia. That's my answer.
[178:37]
Ray Daniels
That's your bias.
[178:38]
Parks
Understand the Question there.
[178:39]
Ray Daniels
That's your bias.
[178:41]
Joe Budden
I'm telling you, man.
[178:43]
Parks
Shout out to Kev. That's my man.
[178:45]
Joe Budden
Shout out to Kev.
[178:46]
Parks
I, I, I didn't, I didn't investigate that story. I don't even know anything. I don't know the details because we're so close. I was worried about his health.
[178:52]
Mark Lamont Hill
Good save.
[178:53]
Parks
That's all I cared about.
[178:54]
Joe Budden
Thank God he was okay.
[178:55]
Parks
But when it came to Justin. Yeah, I mean, when I thought about that for more than 35 seconds, I was like something. Honestly, it just didn't make sense to me. I said, first of all, I said, there's only one thing. I'm leaving a hotel in Chicago for Pre marriage at 3am and it's coming to you. Right, but I mean, but I could at least imagine a circumstance where I would go walking for some pussy at 3am when I was single for a Subway.
[179:19]
Ray Daniels
And you was 21 too.
[179:20]
Parks
Yeah, I'm still in my 20s, not into my 30s. I'm saying like. But he's younger than me too. So I was like, you know, I.
[179:26]
Ray Daniels
Just want to say that. Cause you're a smart man. I don't want these other. But he did it. I'm like, no, he did it.
[179:29]
Parks
I did that. And it was a bad choice. It's always a bad choice to do that. But I was like, he's too smart, too much money, and it's too fucking cold in Chicago. So I then said, I went from a thing of I believe.
[179:40]
Ice
And Subway. Why?
[179:41]
Parks
And Subway.
[179:42]
Melissa Ford
Right.
[179:43]
Parks
That was the other thing. Nobody's doing that for Subway.
[179:44]
Ice
No.
[179:45]
Melissa Ford
Sandwiches ain't that damn good, right?
[179:46]
Parks
In the daytime they ain't that good. So I was like, then I'm gonna focus more on supporting him. And I did the first interview with, I did the first interview with him.
[179:57]
Joe Budden
I heard enough, brother. No, no, no, please.
[179:59]
Melissa Ford
I did, I did, I did.
[180:00]
Joe Budden
Go ahead.
[180:02]
Parks
I did the first interview with him during the pandemic about this.
[180:06]
Melissa Ford
So what was the support?
[180:07]
Parks
And I focused on the support. Was the dude again as fucked? I don't believe him. I didn't believe him. But I also didn't think he should go to jail for. Just wasn't that big of a. It just wasn't that big of a crime for the state to be investing this much.
[180:18]
Ice
He doesn't believe in anybody going to jail.
[180:19]
Joe Budden
He doesn't believe in anybody.
[180:20]
Parks
Yeah, I'm an abolitionist. But I'm saying even if I believed in jail, it just seemed like a lot of resources to spend for a nigga. Who made a false police report. That's all I'm saying. It just seemed like a lot.
[180:27]
Ray Daniels
Oh, my God. I love you. I just gotta ask you, do you think that is a lot? For what? Tori is in jail for what happened, for the crime. Do you think it's a lie?
[180:34]
Parks
Remember, I started with, okay, perfect.
[180:35]
Ray Daniels
I'm just making sure.
[180:35]
Parks
I think 10 years is way too much.
[180:37]
Ray Daniels
Cause to me that's my only problem is that. And I think hate you so much. And it's like, dog, he don't. I'm not saying don't deserve to be punished, but y' all be wanting to hang him from a tree.
[180:45]
Melissa Ford
You don't think Tory played into some of that?
[180:46]
Ray Daniels
Of course he did. And I think. I think that's part of why. That's part of why he went to jail. But what I'm saying is that he.
[180:51]
Melissa Ford
Didn'T show no type of like he went in there.
[180:54]
Joe Budden
Arrogant.
[180:55]
Ray Daniels
I'm being honest with you.
[180:56]
Melissa Ford
Antagonizing. I think he really smoke your dumb.
[181:00]
Ray Daniels
Ass for that ice. I really thought to himself, man, nobody got hurt. What the fuck they gonna really do? They just trying to scare me. I really believe that he thought that. And then we got that 10 years. It's like, hold the up. Y' all was serious. Nobody even got hurt.
[181:13]
Joe Budden
For real.
[181:13]
Ray Daniels
Like, I really think that that's why he hurt enough.
[181:15]
Parks
I mean, you know, I get it now.
[181:17]
Joe Budden
Y' all stuck with Meg music. Good for y' all.
[181:20]
Parks
He's still.
[181:21]
Melissa Ford
He's still.
[181:22]
Joe Budden
We still getting dirty now. Y stuck with them slaps. Have at it, snakes.
[181:26]
Parks
More coming.
[181:27]
Flip
Cobras or some like that. Rattles or some still holding us down.
[181:33]
Joe Budden
Hey, all right. Social justice now. Listen to that rattlesnake. Y ain't, man.
[181:40]
Parks
Y.
[181:44]
Flip
That'S the bottom line.
[181:46]
Joe Budden
They gonna kick my ass. I don't give a. I won't. Holy. Oh, man. Y. I'm so glad Mark came here early.
[181:58]
Parks
It's my pleasure.
[181:58]
Joe Budden
Yo, we would not have been able to do none of this without that ass dance. Did you take on everything? Yeah. Make some noise for Mark, yo. Hey, make some noise for Mark, man. He killed. That.
[182:15]
Ray Daniels
Mark is always for whoever he think is the weakest. Mark.
[182:18]
Joe Budden
Mark don't play, boy. No, hold up. They playing with me. Who is that?
[182:31]
Parks
That clip is so funny to me.
[182:33]
Joe Budden
Nah, you was in your bed. My boy Mark. They're not used to Mark talking like that. They used to hear him speaking about Al Jazeer and Gaza. You know what I mean? All this rights and shit. Hey, yo, what's up, Queens? Flip Weapon nitty.
[182:50]
Flip
There's a lot of niggas out here turning up.
[182:53]
Joe Budden
You know what I'm saying?
[182:53]
Flip
Yeah, a lot of niggas out here turning up, making airwaves.
[182:56]
Joe Budden
We had a great episode. We don't to need.
[182:59]
Flip
I mean, they turned to making airways. And I just feel like. I feel like we should show love.
[183:06]
Joe Budden
So do it. You don't need to. To qualify. Just do it. Show love.
[183:10]
Flip
I'm not. It's not about qualification, but it's about show love. But the person that need to show love is you. But I do think they would just show love. Man. Them turn up them on fire.
[183:19]
Ray Daniels
Flames.
[183:21]
Joe Budden
Walking flames.
[183:22]
Flip
Know what I'm saying?
[183:23]
Ray Daniels
And.
[183:25]
Joe Budden
I think that off air, we was talking about Cardi responding to Rory and. Boy, who? Rory and a.
[183:37]
Flip
And I said, listen, and what you say?
[183:40]
Joe Budden
I like. I like what Rory is doing out there. I ain't going to lie to you. I like what I like. I like just Rory. I like. No, not just Rory. Don't be stupid. Rory and Demaris. I like what Rory and Demari. I like what Rory and demari Harris is doing out there. I like it. They eating up.
[183:55]
Flip
They heating up.
[183:55]
Joe Budden
I mean, anything from the Joe tree, I want the floor. The branches should be long, extended. Did you.
[184:01]
Flip
Did you ever. Did you let them know that you speak the Rory or any one of them?
[184:04]
Ray Daniels
No.
[184:04]
Flip
Okay.
[184:05]
Joe Budden
No, I haven't.
[184:06]
Flip
I mean, you know, it won't be the. That won't be the first time you deal with something you're dealing with the same with that queen flip, huh?
[184:12]
Joe Budden
I've never spoken to anybody you're dealing.
[184:13]
Flip
With the same with queen flip. What you talking about?
[184:15]
Joe Budden
I got a song. Everybody.
[184:16]
Flip
My name is huh? My name is tall.
[184:19]
Ray Daniels
Huh huh.
[184:20]
Flip
My name is. I don't want to say fall.
[184:21]
Joe Budden
Yo. Ray Daniels almost made Ray Daniels. Let me let the audience know. Ray Daniels and Immani almost made me mad. They showed you a picture. I think we had a great episode. We did amazing. Mark Lamont came in here early. Let me let the audience know. Cause y' all be hyped when Mark is here on a Friday main. This is a solid when he does that when he comes in on a Friday main. I'm gonna pay you.
[184:49]
Parks
Okay?
[184:49]
Joe Budden
I know we never spoke about it, but I ain't gonna pay you.
[184:51]
Parks
Say less. I ain't gonna fight.
[184:54]
Joe Budden
I spoke to Mark yesterday. It was like, if you can make it. I'm not the most distinguished when it comes to charges against black men. I ain't I'm about to say something foul to trigger Mel and we about to argue and fight. Mark is like, thank you.
[185:07]
Parks
It's partisan of my dude, bro.
[185:09]
Joe Budden
Thank you, man. Mark, that's gonna be a stick up with a flashlight in the daytime, boy.
[185:17]
Melissa Ford
You deserve it.
[185:18]
Joe Budden
That'll be a stick up.
[185:19]
Flip
You deserve it. Y' all both deserve it.
[185:21]
Joe Budden
Mark does deserve it.
[185:22]
Flip
He deserves to get stuck up and he deserved to get paid.
[185:24]
Parks
Thank you, Flip.
[185:25]
Joe Budden
It was a good energy today.
[185:27]
Flip
Yeah, don't change the subject real quick though. Oh, he almost got you mad cause he showed you something right, and you were able to maneuver through it. But I'm just letting you know, you got a big problem with your head hands with this queen's flip. Boy.
[185:38]
Parks
I'm telling you.
[185:39]
Flip
I'll let you know right now. You think you got problem head with them other this. This boy right here.
[185:43]
Joe Budden
I have queen's flip locked into 2027 at a Locke.
[185:47]
Flip
Are you? Oh, I like a bumby. Watch your mouth. What's that show we watch when they did the dirty with Isaac Hayes and them beckoning stacks? Yeah, like stacks. Watch your mouth.
[186:06]
Joe Budden
Yo, I'm letting you. I'm letting y' all. Yo, yo, Danny Elevation.
[186:11]
Parks
Who else?
[186:14]
Joe Budden
I want to see clips. I have queens flip at a fixed rate till 2027. Hey, actually, that's what we should call Queens fixed. Oh, not Queens flip. You in your bag is in lock rate till 2027. Now we do got to do deal with when he has a heart out like today when he say, yo, I'm leaving. We got to deal with that, but we got to deal with it till 2027. Make some noise. Make some noise, Mark. I'm gonna lock in this summer. I'm gonna do like the Philadelphia Eagles and pay him ahead of time. I'm paying him sooner than when we supposed to pay him. But he's been such a tremendous ass.
[186:53]
Flip
It could be right off at end.
[186:54]
Joe Budden
It won't be a write off.
[186:55]
Flip
You sure? Yeah, no, I'm watching a lot of your moves now. Yeah, yeah, Come on off for us.
[187:00]
Joe Budden
To be able to afford Mark. Cuz Mark is taking this from the Joe Button everyday struggle stick up complex. So we could do a Friday show move. Mark is doing the Joe Button move. I'm letting y' all know that in 2026, some of your favorite personalities will be here via Zoom. Now we gotta make room. We have to pay Mark. One thing they can happen is we can't tell Mark we don't have it. And the new couches and the new couches. And it's nine of y' all. Everybody don't need a voice. Some voices will be made available via Zoom, you know, and for 2026 W, we have. You know what it is, people?
[187:41]
Flip
Hold on.
[187:42]
Joe Budden
I got something. Y' all been sleep.
[187:43]
Flip
Hush up. You know what it is? The realized he could do it with. With. With less in his mind. You know, when start to kick in, he start to look around and yeah, might have. Even though it was moving how I was moving, he got to figure some out. And I'm just sitting here watching it. I'm on the ride. This like Joe Flags, huh? What's the. They just took down the Cobra Kai, Kingda, Cobra Cop. Yeah, all that. We here.
[188:04]
Joe Budden
I just realized what it could look like when you bring in professionals to do the job. People that really care. People that really care.
[188:10]
Flip
Right?
[188:11]
Joe Budden
When it's a large audience, they worked all week about what they would say. You know what I mean? She wor. No matter where you at, whether you're from Atlanta. Ray Daniels.
[188:19]
Flip
What, she worried she be tapping her foot?
[188:20]
Joe Budden
Oh, big male.
[188:22]
Parks
I ain't talking about male.
[188:23]
Ray Daniels
Exactly.
[188:24]
Flip
Acknowledge her. Acknowledge her.
[188:27]
Joe Budden
Mel is already.
[188:27]
Parks
Acknowledge yourself.
[188:28]
Joe Budden
To be invaluable.
[188:29]
Flip
Acknowledge my sis. Acknowledge her.
[188:33]
Joe Budden
Mel is already gang. Gang.
[188:34]
Ray Daniels
All right, good.
[188:35]
Joe Budden
All right. Got you.
[188:37]
Flip
I need my 10% also, in order.
[188:40]
Joe Budden
For us to successfully merge with Rory and the man marriage. I can't come with so large of a crew. Right, right. No, I'm lying. I can't come with nine. Rory only coming with the marriage. I ain't coming with nine people. That's not right. Anyway, we got to figure it out.
[188:58]
Flip
Don't take this off me.
[189:00]
Ray Daniels
Cory, don't.
[189:03]
Joe Budden
Yo, I have something that y' all been sleeping on. I'm not going to go with Lazy R and B, as Ice will put it today.
[189:10]
Melissa Ford
I said sleepy time.
[189:11]
Joe Budden
Sleepy time. R B, as I put it. Ice is my man. What y' all talking about? And anything with Isley Brothers Voyage to Atlantis. Flip, you got me. Y' all is lucky I don't rap no more. I would call whoever did this beat and let my girlfriend have it on. I ain't gonna lie to you, boy. Want to get off like God, if I got this right now. Oh, my God. Yo, when you don't rap and you fighting with your girl, it's nothing to do.
[189:43]
Melissa Ford
You'll be like.
[189:44]
Joe Budden
You'll be just in the house arguing, looking stupid, like your word is equal to hers. No, I rap. You don't.
[189:51]
Ray Daniels
You make songs.
[189:52]
Joe Budden
Yeah, so Anyway, this little number I'm gonna play. Two Chains this joint is called. Featuring the Isley Brothers. Joint is called the ATL Experience. And Shout out to.
[190:04]
Ray Daniels
Shout out to College Park.
[190:05]
Flip
Two change you boys is.
[190:11]
Melissa Ford
Oh, yeah, that's.
[190:12]
Ice
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you can hear it, right, Parks?
[190:14]
Ray Daniels
Uhhuh.
[190:14]
Ice
Alter it go.
[190:17]
Joe Budden
Oh, all my babies, I love my babies.
[190:22]
Melissa Ford
Wait, how many bars came. That's all. Just answer that question.
[190:27]
Joe Budden
Me? Let me answer it for you. Two chains spit a verse and then just let Ronald cook for four minutes with guitars. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, the ATL Experience. With me.
[191:05]
Ray Daniels
Tony going vibe on this one.
[191:09]
Joe Budden
Yo, you got to be kidding me. Two chains, you have to be kidding me right now. Boy.
[191:19]
Ray Daniels
Was my favorite dis previous to this. I admit that I'm really blessed.
[191:24]
Flip
Titty boy, the shit popping it oh.
[191:26]
Ray Daniels
Just like a zit that's just common.
[191:28]
Parks
Sense in the A these young crazy better on a stick Try cops and.
[191:32]
Joe Budden
Them hell cats tearing up the strip.
[191:34]
Ray Daniels
This young lady, she came to the.
[191:36]
Parks
A just so she can strip I'm.
[191:38]
Ray Daniels
The boss so just listen up Gave myself a raise her first night dancing at the club got swandled out the face how I raped thought these real but these fake so she linked with a girl at the club they went on a date, they had dress and.
[191:52]
Joe Budden
She gained her trust Told her about.
[191:53]
Ray Daniels
A safe that ain't safe Cause the girl she with boyfriend broke in a place and that Remember Tony told you.
[191:59]
Parks
About the A they gonna do like.
[192:01]
Ray Daniels
Your vehicle if you don't park in the valet if you go into the bathroom then you better take your drink if you can't find your wallet then.
[192:09]
Parks
You better call the bank in the.
[192:10]
Ray Daniels
A Smiling in your face and stab you in the back in the A not only rappers but the trappers got made backs in the A walked in Louie I bought virgin whole collection in the A HIV ray had you better.
[192:22]
Joe Budden
You protection in the A When you meet a plug that's your real connection.
[192:26]
Ray Daniels
In the ain't run around talking real.
[192:29]
Joe Budden
Neglection in the A better have a.
[192:31]
Ray Daniels
Blick, you ain't got no stain and your team don't have a championship so you don't got no rich right.
[193:01]
Joe Budden
Sam?
[193:27]
Ray Daniels
Oh yeah, yeah. SA.
[194:46]
Joe Budden
That'S brand new music from Two Chains that's Hard featuring Ronald Isley and Isley Brothers. That is from the short film Red Clay. And that record is called the ATL Experience.
[194:59]
Ice
Shout out to two chains man Shout.
[195:01]
Joe Budden
Out rappers we love you man Come up here.
[195:04]
Melissa Ford
Shout out two chains man Hard all right, I'm going back to this album again for another song sleeper. This is easily my favorite album to drop this year so far. This is Don Tripp and Starlito. This one is called Mitchell and Ness off of Step brothers for life.
[195:32]
Flip
I know I said unblock me change my mind again came even try to pretend you ain't even trying to win you can't even see that I change you just say I shed skin sometimes.
[195:41]
Joe Budden
I think about where we head and.
[195:43]
Flip
I just don't know where it went make amends or avenge? Look, I meant what I sent I look better with you when I attend every event I wasn't innocent what about them fringe benefits I don't resent, not a cent that I spent but tell your friends eat a dick they probably want to anyway so busy keeping up with them meanwhile them hoes in a way I was sending flowers, spa appointments, dinner dates, getaways when that's clear your heart ain't in it plus I need a mental break you knew I was a dog big surprise I went astray but you the one that fetched the bone and send my phone still say prince I came she's your queen keep it clean in the face and silly not yours soldier Slim Shady cleaning out.
[196:20]
Joe Budden
My closet.
[196:23]
Flip
Your pussy do bad, you know that?
[196:33]
Ray Daniels
Once upon a time I thought you fit the glass slipper turns out you one of Cinderella stepsisters hating on your friends same friends you call your sisters Careful baby you might blow a fuse how quick you switch up I heard love is blind guess that's why I failed to see if that's how you treat your friends you'll be even worse to me Sometimes you gotta let the heart bleed they say nothing in this world comes for free I agree. Silly you for thinking I wouldn't let you leave Come on, I help you pack how many trash bags you need? I'm not even finna plead you can even keep your key I had a locks change before you even reach the next street. You like a mixtape strictly for the streets I try not to ruffle feathers I want you to spread your wings so you can fly far, far away and not return. P.S. to whom it may concern. I'm good though.
[197:43]
Melissa Ford
And that was Mitchell and Ness by Don Tripping in Staro off of Step Brothers for Life in your phone dsps wherever you get your music from. Go check that project out, it's amazing.
[197:53]
Ice
I I am going to Buffalo and Yonkers. This is Benny the Butcher and Styles P off his Excelsior project. The song Is toxic Shout out Benny.
[198:03]
Ray Daniels
True sa time you know buck shots like I'm BDI the butcher coming ghost too that is more Bonnie's the Sweeney tie May you beat the case like you Johnny Depp European beast I'm honey sweats flow is like water if you ain't see a tsunami yet Buffalo Cause the hammer is in a tiny vet money in a Mac truck ain't l.
[198:36]
Flip
Yet big for my city so it's.
[198:38]
Ray Daniels
Only fair that I grow from there.
[198:40]
Joe Budden
Cuz you came for the polar bear.
[198:42]
Flip
In a folding chair brick a bad.
[198:43]
Ray Daniels
Dope this dirty weight I'm cooking back so it's only right I left the 38 and took the a consecutive win Y' all can never be friends My hoes be ebony skin they get me.
[198:53]
Melissa Ford
Head in the biz fresh from Paris.
[198:55]
Ray Daniels
I'm a new whips and extra carrots smoking playing old Biggie trying to catch the spirit, you know that you know who's coming, you get a butcher and he came with style full of pushing and you know the style we with the hookers and you know the style we with the cookers and we let it shine for the looking. If the club try to front, let's book the if the is food, let's cook them if that weight is well, well, let's hook it Benny come from Buffalo, me, I'm from Yonkers But I still pack a gun that'll knock down a buffalo Nerd better turn in the hole like Mark Ruffalo don't wrestle but I'm fly like I'm all for the term buffalo Top one, top gun never did no maverick All I know you front in my hood I'm not having it Lilac seats in the Porsche paint lavender trying to act like a savage but they a scavenger Just the kid who made it not with my black did funny now I got more songs than the locks with Diddy Y' all sound sounded confused, it's too late when the gun hammer hitting the sound of my jewels the only sound in the room.
[199:58]
Flip
They tell me I should be grateful.
[200:00]
Ray Daniels
Cause I used to be on fair probation Playing with a bankroll monitor on my ankle I'm tired so you gotta talk driving when you talk business. Cause me and money don't sleep like New York City.
[200:10]
Joe Budden
The butcher coming.
[200:11]
Ray Daniels
You know who's coming? Yeah, Butcher. And he came with styles for the pusher and you know the style we with the hood, the cookers and you know the style we with the cookers and we let it shine for the looking if the clubs are the front, let's book the if the is food, let's cook them if that weight is well, let's hook it I'm playing Griselda, watching Griselda pray for the seeds murk the elders I move work pop off, pick the shells up we a mile away but I bet you that you could smell us we smell like money and the lighting the L's up we don't give a if there's nothing that you could tell us the butch come but ghost sandwich from a dead man bet you go choke can't tell you anything except how it hurt that you know but they don't know I had.
[201:02]
Joe Budden
To play every first by the store.
[201:03]
Ray Daniels
On high alert for the law watching my block as soon as they pull up skirt then I'm gone you know that work getting toss I never speak on your your set or I don't beef on the neck cause on my.
[201:13]
Flip
Team the judge want to lethal inject.
[201:15]
Ray Daniels
It'S not a secret you move discreet when you keep getting checked these mad and want to be me so I keep getting threats the Butcher and the Ghost, you know who's coming.
[201:27]
Ice
That is toxic. Benny the Butcher and Styles P off the Excelsior Project Shout out to both of them got me hyped this week.
[201:34]
Melissa Ford
So I had to got to shout out Benny. I ran into him at the at the Snoop premiere a couple days ago.
[201:40]
Joe Budden
I fuck with that.
[201:40]
Ice
Benny's the man.
[201:43]
Ray Daniels
He's a solid guy for sure. Like, Benny's just a really good guy. Like.
[201:46]
Ice
Absolutely, absolutely.
[201:48]
Joe Budden
You got your death row pass on?
[201:49]
Melissa Ford
Excuse me?
[201:51]
Joe Budden
You had your death row pass on or No?
[201:53]
Melissa Ford
I don't need a death row pass, sir. I don't do any of that. And you said Styles, Jim Jones has responded.
[202:00]
Ice
Oh, has he? Who did he say?
[202:02]
Melissa Ford
The difference between me and the mother old heads is my motion. Present is your motion was yesterday. I say that with all due respect. Facts is facts. Drop something. Stop telling me what you used to used to do. You used to be one of my favorite rappers. I used to have a flat top. Lol.
[202:19]
Ice
Okay, so Melissa Ford got it.
[202:23]
Mark Lamont Hill
Yeah. All right, Ice, what'd you call the music that you didn't want Joe to play?
[202:27]
Melissa Ford
No, I didn't say I didn't want Joe to play.
[202:29]
Ray Daniels
What we want, what you call it?
[202:30]
Melissa Ford
Oh, Sleepy Time Army R B.
[202:31]
Mark Lamont Hill
All right, well, some Sleepy time R B. This is video fantasy Dream Girl by June Tober.
[202:37]
Ice
Oh, I see what you did there.
[202:43]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, y' all do your thing.
[203:23]
Joe Budden
Hit my favorite post I'm his favorite girl I'm his superm I can't give him what he wants his fantasy girl so keep it practical. You alright?
[204:15]
Melissa Ford
You're my dream girl you hit me.
[204:18]
Joe Budden
If I never seen before Flesh photography love when you're watching me Love me and you need it Be your dream girl fight when you need it late night dreaming love me and you need it Be your dream fire when you need it late night dreaming Love me and you need it Be your dream girl fight when you need it Late night dreaming Love me and you need.
[205:02]
Ice
It Be your dream.
[205:06]
Joe Budden
Be your video girl Be your dream girl.
[205:13]
Ray Daniels
Be your.
[205:14]
Joe Budden
Superm.
[205:17]
Ray Daniels
Be your fantasy girl.
[205:29]
Ice
That is June 12th, October with video fantasy Dream girl by our own resident video fantasy dream girl, Melissa Ford.
[205:39]
Mark Lamont Hill
Thank you very much.
[205:39]
Ray Daniels
Thank you.
[205:40]
Ice
You're very welcome.
[205:43]
Flip
No yo so this song I heard on the Internet going to Indiana.
[205:51]
Joe Budden
Big.
[205:51]
Flip
Row decisions it's going viral.
[205:58]
Joe Budden
We.
[206:23]
Ice
The.
[206:24]
Melissa Ford
Lightning I'm living this isn't the main to die every day huh Grinding my city you gotta be witty the way huh told my right next to me ain't no need to lie to me woke the beast is hiding me off the leash no time to play not staring my demon the night and day say cut me deep now look at the help my own got something to prove for my son I should never fool she tried to do better got something to lose he fought the fame I don't want attention doing this music just so people listen too many colors but you see the Ms. When the bed.
[207:05]
Joe Budden
Don'T give a who.
[207:06]
Melissa Ford
Ride with missing you said that you.
[207:10]
Joe Budden
Go slide okay don't know why you.
[207:12]
Melissa Ford
Tried to play how about we heat we.
[207:17]
Ray Daniels
To deal with some wicked decisions.
[207:18]
Melissa Ford
You looking like z be fool I play with them pistols col visions the treasures I planted my roots they say the light I'm leaving decision and making to die every day huh Grinding my city you got to be wi plot e the way huh so my right next to me get dropping y try to stay away from beef inside of my people.
[207:48]
Ray Daniels
Right next to me.
[207:50]
Melissa Ford
Try to stay away from beside of my.
[207:53]
Joe Budden
People.
[208:05]
Melissa Ford
I know I can give up darkness.
[208:22]
Joe Budden
Like who the light of them.
[208:25]
Melissa Ford
Living decision to making to die huh Grinding my city you got to be.
[208:30]
Joe Budden
Where they got.
[208:33]
Ray Daniels
Right next to me.
[208:36]
Melissa Ford
Try to stay away from beef inside of my people try to stay away from beside of my people yeah as.
[208:56]
Ice
Big Rob decisions shout out to Indiana 6 is a beat I think so.
[209:02]
Flip
Oh my fault yeah folks help me.
[209:03]
Ice
Out man I could be wrong I could be wrong Mark has A seven minute sleeper. And Mark is actually asleep. Holy.
[209:12]
Joe Budden
Yo, wait.
[209:17]
Ice
That is amazing. This is Bilal. Sometimes I'm gonna go ahead and do your job for you sleepers. Now you go ahead and get your rest.
[209:25]
Joe Budden
Mar is out of here.
[209:26]
Ice
Go ahead, get your rest, man. No worries.
[209:29]
Joe Budden
You carried us this far, man.
[209:30]
Ice
We got a little throwback palau. Sometimes I'm not playing the full.
[209:38]
Joe Budden
Do we have to play seven minutes of it?
[209:39]
Ice
I'll be trading this after 2 minutes and 25 seconds.
[209:41]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Wonderful. Streaming rules in effect. Yeah.
[210:05]
Ray Daniels
Sometime. Sometime.
[210:17]
Joe Budden
I wish I wasn't me. Sometime I wish I was drug free. Sometime wish I saw the exit sign first.
[210:36]
Ray Daniels
Sometimes.
[210:41]
Joe Budden
Wish I knew the truth without searching. Sometime I wish I could go where.
[210:49]
Ray Daniels
I never been See what I never.
[210:52]
Joe Budden
Saw do what I never did before.
[210:59]
Ray Daniels
I could cross some town. I wish my eyes wasn't so red.
[211:06]
Joe Budden
Sometime Brand new balao. Good to me yes I am good to you. You don't see my ch.
[211:45]
Ray Daniels
Hey, Slim.
[211:47]
Joe Budden
You should be nicer than you are sometime.
[211:54]
Ray Daniels
You take that complaining shit way too too far. It's hard though, this.
[212:00]
Joe Budden
I mean, thought it was cute in.
[212:04]
Ray Daniels
The beginning, but now.
[212:07]
Joe Budden
I think you only do it cuz you know I hate it.
[212:13]
Ray Daniels
Sometime.
[212:15]
Joe Budden
You got me wishing I didn't have home training sometime W.
[212:26]
Ray Daniels
Then it.
[212:26]
Mark Lamont Hill
Wouldn'T hurt me so bad when I.
[212:29]
Ray Daniels
Came up knocking you in your head. Then it wouldn't hurt me so bad when I'm here to knock. Put up your ass.
[212:44]
Ice
That is bal Sometimes. There's many more minutes of sometimes.
[212:49]
Joe Budden
Long song.
[212:50]
Ice
I think if you got exist.
[212:52]
Parks
That boy can sing though, man.
[212:53]
Ice
Yeah, absolutely. I love B.
[212:55]
Joe Budden
Yes, he can, man.
[212:57]
Ice
Shout out to B and the soul Aquarians.
[213:00]
Joe Budden
Good, y' all, sir. And the best I ever seen. Sing off the do of the Duchi.
[213:08]
Ice
The who know who zone.
[213:09]
Flip
Of the zone.
[213:13]
Melissa Ford
You've been watching Godfather. That's what you been watching.
[213:16]
Joe Budden
I know, I know. Hey, that get good too. Hey, I did star Godfather all of them. Yeah, this season, actually. Somehow I missed the finale of last season. I had to go back. I had to go back. The last episode I saw the last season was them throwing the daughter out on the street. Doped up. I didn't see Malcolm and.
[213:36]
Melissa Ford
Oh, you ain't see. You missed the whole damn this season then.
[213:39]
Joe Budden
No, it's only one episode.
[213:42]
Melissa Ford
You missed a little. You missed the a bit.
[213:45]
Joe Budden
Well, I'm on the new season now. You missed a bit.
[213:47]
Melissa Ford
You missed a bit, bro.
[213:48]
Joe Budden
I'm on the new season now. That's all. That's all. I know bu be Johnson there now flip you up. You awake? My man Mark. You awake? Y' all refresh my boy. All right. Good show today, y' all. Good show. Yes, sir. Good.
[214:05]
Ice
Thank you for joining us.
[214:07]
Ray Daniels
Went from visitor to family. He gave me that. That right real quick.
[214:11]
Joe Budden
One episode. Great. You did amazing. I love when Ray up here, man. Thank you.
[214:18]
Ice
That's your third time up here, ain't it?
[214:20]
Ray Daniels
Yeah.
[214:20]
Ice
Didn't you do two last time?
[214:21]
Ray Daniels
Yeah, I did. Kill a mic and then.
[214:24]
Joe Budden
Yeah, man. Shout. Shout out to our good brother Ray. Shout out everybody in the a again. Shout out to Mark for joining us early. Shout out to is our brother is here with us in spirit. Hopefully everything is cool with with him. Our sister big Mel didn't have to be here on a Friday. Came in, blessed us got an early exit cuz we got me get right for that. She ain't invited brothers to but I hope can we watch it. I hope you kill that. I don't think is there a stream link that we can watch that?
[214:50]
Mark Lamont Hill
I'll find out.
[214:52]
Joe Budden
Put it in the group chat like you did that. Jason Tatum.
[214:56]
Ice
I think we might win a golden glove today, guys.
[215:01]
Melissa Ford
I think we got it.
[215:02]
Ice
Got it. I think we did it.
[215:04]
Melissa Ford
Inaugural one.
[215:05]
Joe Budden
We got it. Me too.
[215:07]
Parks
Podcast we got.
[215:08]
Joe Budden
Especially since people on the volume are going through legal troubles. Like now would be the time, right? Hello. Yo, what the.
[215:18]
Ice
Something wrong with you.
[215:20]
Parks
It is.
[215:20]
Ray Daniels
It is.
[215:21]
Joe Budden
It is. Okay, okay, fine, fine. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's. We done. We done, man. Really good broadcast today, man. Shout out to the Golden Globes. The boy to the Golden Globes. The SE Suite over there. Yo, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Till the next time we bid you ado farewell. Adios. Ariba Diri. Hasta la vista. Arvois so long About a simple head now to suffice. Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Lastly, remember the baddies are insecure to stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a talent or you might need it. Until the next time, stay safe, stay dangerous. All right, Anybody doing anything interesting this weekend? Anything we can exploit for entertainment purposes? What we doing?
[216:44]
Ice
Going to a show.
[216:45]
Ray Daniels
That's about it.
[216:45]
Melissa Ford
What kind of show?
[216:46]
Ice
Arby Raina. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Ravina.
[216:51]
Mark Lamont Hill
I like her.
[216:51]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[216:51]
Ice
She's okay.
[216:52]
Joe Budden
I'm celebrating the kids birthday, man.
[216:54]
Flip
Nice though.
[216:55]
Joe Budden
You said what?
[216:56]
Melissa Ford
Celebrating the kid's birthday.
[216:57]
Joe Budden
Hey, little man.
[216:59]
Melissa Ford
Turn six.
[216:59]
Parks
I'll be down in Philly at Malcolm X Park. Everybody, if you're in Philly today, Saturday, come down to Malcolm X Park for Malcolm X hundredth birthday celebration.
[217:07]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[217:08]
Ice
That's fire, Joe.
[217:10]
Melissa Ford
You doing.
[217:13]
Joe Budden
This weekend? Not too much. I'm hoping that the Knicks did they. They thug fizzle last night, right? Oh, actually Sunday I am running to Boston. My stepson is doing some football out there that he asked to go to. So I'mma head out there, man. No matter what's going on with me and my baby, I'm head out there. That's my baby. I love. Love you, baby. Next weekend, my youngest son, Lex. It's his best friend's birthday. Happy birthday, Vincent. And I told Cynthia's ass that if Lex misses this party, it's gonna be a hell to pay. Guess what she did? You guessed it. Double booked. Sent me a text yesterday. He's got another party to go to. Your dog. I don't give a fuck about that party.
[218:00]
Melissa Ford
Nah, no, no.
[218:01]
Mark Lamont Hill
He's got to go about Vincent.
[218:03]
Melissa Ford
Yeah, see, no more.
[218:06]
Joe Budden
Go ahead. Let Lex not be a Vincent party on time. I know, I know that. It's gonna be hell to pay. Happy birthday to Vincent. And that's it, man. Y' all enjoy your weekend. Enjoy your family, enjoy your friends, your loved ones, the people. Hey, get around some people that really love you, appreciate, you.
[218:26]
Flip
Know, I mean.
[218:27]
Joe Budden
Let'S do that this weekend and go, Nick, go.
[218:35]
Parks
Right? I ain't going to say that.
[218:36]
Joe Budden
No, we nervous. We nervous a little bit.
[218:42]
Parks
One time my squirt won't let me.
[218:43]
Joe Budden
Yo, listen, in traditional Knicks fashion, y'.
[218:48]
Melissa Ford
All going to it up.
[218:49]
Joe Budden
It is normal for a Knick fan to be nervous right now.
[218:53]
Melissa Ford
Absolutely.
[218:53]
Joe Budden
It is totally normal for Nick. For old Nick fans to say, yo, we're used to how the Knicks normally do things and we're a little afraid. The difference today, two words. Say them with me.
[219:07]
Ray Daniels
Jaylen Brunson.
[219:09]
Joe Budden
Brunson.
[219:10]
Ray Daniels
I was hoping.
[219:10]
Joe Budden
We've never had a Jaylen Brunson. Charles Oakley is somewhere in Westchester saying the same thing. You know, he can't go by the Garden, shout out to Oak. Pat Ewing is saying it. We've. The Knicks have never had somebody that, especially after a loss at the guard, is average 34, 35, 36, I think 36, 36. So I'm trusting in Jalen Brunson. Right? Attitude. That's Our team captain, he took a pay cut. Let's hope he leads us to the promised land. And that's that, man. And I'm hoping that Ace Bailey works out in Philadelphia. It's not a hate thing for me.
[219:44]
Parks
Yeah, look, I hope so too.
[219:45]
Joe Budden
I'm hoping that Ace Bailey works out. Shout out to Ron Harper, his son. The spurs said they definitely keeping him. Listen, we'll talk sports later. That show on TikTok that is doing the imitations of first take, I think it's last take. And they now doing Cam and Mace too. If they are unsigned. Where is he in that the is going on? I gotta talk to these guys. Dead serious.
[220:10]
Flip
I met one them.
[220:11]
Joe Budden
They are all the way fire.
[220:12]
Flip
Yeah, I met one of them.
[220:13]
Melissa Ford
That show y' all put me on about the Mormon wives. Whatever.
[220:16]
Joe Budden
Season.
[220:16]
Melissa Ford
Season two just started. This is ridiculous, bro.
[220:20]
Joe Budden
Yeah, thank you. By the way, what's up? What it look like in LA this weekend? Hitting that katana. What we doing with some new work? What we doing? What we doing this weekend? Big M we doing.
[220:31]
Ray Daniels
We.
[220:32]
Mark Lamont Hill
We making a p. We in the.
[220:33]
Joe Budden
Hooka spot with some new work.
[220:34]
Mark Lamont Hill
Hey, I ain't got time for hook hookah. I got bigger fish to wait.
[220:38]
Flip
You got no time for hookah, but you got time for the new work?
[220:50]
Joe Budden
She's so awkward. Yo, till the next time. Peace, love, health, wealth and prosperity. Don't forget your Joe Button seats. We going.
[220:57]
Flip
Cool.
[221:06]
Ice
Cast your votes.
[221:08]
Joe Budden
Who is that?